# INDISC 2019 - Classics I Playoffs - Quarterfinals

**Source:** IE Pinball  
**Type:** video  
**Published:** 2019-03-03  
**Duration:** 91m 53s  
**Beat:** Pinball

**URL:** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbDrd6kJMh8

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## Analysis

IE Pinball streams INDISC 2019 Classics I Playoffs quarterfinals, featuring competitive pinball tournaments across multiple classic/EM machines. Commentators discuss the card format (requiring players to complete four consecutive games to form their scoring card) and its strategic implications compared to best-game formats. Notable matches include Free Fall, Riptide, and Laser Cue, with world-class players competing for advancement.

### Key Claims

- [MEDIUM] INDISC is switching from best-game format to card format for all events going forward — _Commentators discussing format change, noting it's 'going back to the old Papa style format' where players must play four games in a row to form their scoring card_
- [HIGH] The card format adds strategic depth because players can select specific games to hurt or 'bump down' other competitors — _Commentator explicitly states: 'you can pick games to hurt other people try to bump other people down which is interesting'_
- [HIGH] Top eight competitors received a bye into the second round of quarterfinals — _Commentators state: 'keep in mind that top eight competitors had a by the first round so we will see them entered into this second round'_
- [MEDIUM] Free Fall on this machine (Gottlieb) has ball-in-play plus one bonus ball as a rule mod — _Commentator notes: 'the till penalty is ballin play plus one ball' and later clarifies 'they they started this with the out of ball unfortunately and they found out that was not a good idea so they removed that'_
- [HIGH] The new card format is difficult and stressful because players must maintain consistency across four consecutive games rather than replaying until they get a good score — _Player interview: 'with it it's literally you get to play the game and you're not gonna be able to play it because you're playing all the games after that'; another player: 'you pretty much just need to have this perfect card right to advance'_

### Notable Quotes

> "with the old format I probably would be in good shape right now but with the new one yeah you pretty much just need to have this perfect card right to advance"
> — **Tournament player (discussing card format)**, Early in stream
> _Explains the psychological and strategic shift from best-game to card format_

> "I'm really nervous when I play them one player games in a tournament and like the qualifying or not qualifying but for playoffs when you go first or when you go last regardless but I mean going first definitely has a huge disadvantage I feel"
> — **Commentator**, During Free Fall matches
> _Notes competitive dynamics of single-player games in tournament play_

> "you have to be really careful about which games you pick you can pick games to hurt other people try to bump other people down which is interesting"
> — **Commentator**, During format explanation
> _Highlights strategic depth added by card format_

> "the mental game and pinball is so important"
> — **Commentator (observing Asher's calm demeanor)**, During Riptide match
> _Commentary on competitive pinball psychology_

> "magnet in the fingertips and these surpasses 1.6 million"
> — **Commentator**, During Riptide high-scoring play
> _Acknowledges exceptional skill display by player_

### Entities

| Name | Type | Context |
|------|------|---------|
| IE Pinball | organization | Content creator and tournament streaming operator based in Southern California (Banning); broadcasts INDISC 2019 Classics tournament |
| Karl D'Angelo | person | IE Pinball operator and technical director; praised for streaming setup, camera work, and mobile raid equipment for wireless streaming of classic games |
| Carl D'Angelo | person | IE Pinball staff managing streaming infrastructure and equipment setup for tournament broadcast |
| INDISC 2019 | event | Pinball tournament event held in Banning, California; first year running two separate Classics divisions (Classics I and Classics II); using new card format for competition |
| It Never Drains | venue | Pinball arcade located in Southern California (Banning); hosts INDISC 2019 tournament; mentioned as 'It Never Drains in Southern California' |
| Corey | person | Competitive pinball player; participated in Free Fall quarterfinal match and placed well in tournament; from Colorado |
| Ben Clemente | person | Competitive pinball player from Arizona; scored 59,300 on Free Fall, leading the initial standings |
| Snow | person | Competitive pinball player from Colorado; participated in Free Fall quarterfinal match; received donations during stream |
| Phil | person | Competitive pinball player; participated in Free Fall quarterfinal matches |
| Raymond Davidson | person | World-class competitive pinball player; scored heavily on Riptide and Laser Cue games, winning multiple games with high scores; demonstrated advanced technique |
| Stephen Bowden | person | Competitive pinball player noted for having an 'awesome beard'; competed in Riptide and Laser Cue matches |
| Howard Dobson | person | Competitive pinball player from Annapolis, Maryland; qualified 8th and received bye in first round; competed in Riptide and Laser Cue matches |
| Asher | person | Competitive pinball player from Colorado; noted by commentators for staying calm during gameplay; scored 600,000+ on opening game of Riptide group |
| Bob Matthews | person | Competitive pinball player; took first place in Mystic group with 4 points in quarterfinals |
| Damian | person | Competitive pinball player; took second place in Mystic group with 2 points in quarterfinals |
| Keith Elwin | person | Competitive pinball player; participated in Mystic group, earning 1 point in quarterfinals |
| Brian O'Neill | person | Guest commentator from San Francisco area; provided commentary during portions of the broadcast |
| Tim Balz | person | Competitive pinball player unable to attend INDISC 2019 due to ear infection following candy consumption |
| Buffalo Pinball | organization | Donor/supporter mentioned receiving shoutout during stream; provides financial support to event |
| Free Fall | game | Gottlieb EM machine used in tournament; single-player game with numbered roller targets (1-9), drop targets with 10x multipliers, and ball-in-play rule mod |
| Riptide | game | Classic Stern machine featuring drop target banks with multipliers, spinner loops, bonus multipliers, and bonus collection mechanics; featured prominently in tournament |
| Laser Cue | game | Classic machine featured in tournament quarterfinals; uses drop targets, multipliers, spinners, stand-up targets, and rack spelling |
| Mystic | game | Pinball machine featured in quarterfinals group competition |
| Pirates of the Caribbean | game | Jersey Jack pinball machine present in main tournament bank at INDISC 2019 |
| Dialed In | game | Modern pinball machine located in women's and kids section of INDISC 2019 tournament |
| Banzai | game | Pinball machine that experienced ROM issues during INDISC 2019; commentators hoped for repair for second day of Classics II tournament |

### Topics

- **Primary:** Card Format Tournament Structure, Competitive Pinball Gameplay and Strategy, Classic/EM Pinball Machines
- **Secondary:** Tournament Broadcasting and Streaming Infrastructure, Player Psychology and Mental Game, Specific Game Rules and Mechanics
- **Mentioned:** Tournament Venue and Community

### Sentiment

**Positive** (0.78) — Stream commentary is enthusiastic and celebratory of player skill and tournament organization. Commentators express appreciation for venue, equipment, and competitive level. Some frustration expressed by players regarding card format constraints and difficult gameplay moments, but overall tone is upbeat and engaged.

### Signals

- **[event_signal]** INDISC 2019 Classics tournament first year running two separate Classics divisions with card format instead of best-game format; streaming coverage provided by IE Pinball with multiple camera setups and wireless equipment (confidence: high) — Commentators state 'this is the first time they're doing two classes' and discuss full streaming infrastructure
- **[product_strategy]** Tournament format shift from best-game to card format represents strategic change in how INDISC structures competition; adds complexity and strategy by requiring four consecutive games and preventing replay optimization (confidence: high) — Extensive discussion of format change and its implications; player interviews discussing impact on strategy
- **[community_signal]** INDISC 2019 attracted top competitive players from across North America (Arizona, Colorado, Maryland, San Francisco, European and Australian competitors mentioned) demonstrating draw of event (confidence: high) — Multiple player introductions referencing geographic origin and world-class play comments
- **[content_signal]** IE Pinball invested in professional streaming infrastructure including mobile raid on wheels for wireless game streaming, color DMD displays, and multi-camera setup for tournament broadcast (confidence: high) — Extensive commentary praising Karl D'Angelo's equipment setup; mention of '10 miles of HDMI cord' and wireless streaming capability
- **[venue_signal]** It Never Drains arcade in Banning, California hosting major multi-day tournament with infrastructure for competitive pinball; mentioned as open through Sunday with gift shop and vendor sales (confidence: high) — Multiple venue references; shoutout to 'pin stadium lights' and sales/merchandise
- **[gameplay_signal]** Free Fall on Gottlieb noted to have modified ruleset (ball-in-play plus one bonus ball) that differs from original; rule mod was implemented after finding original ball-out rule was 'not a good idea' (confidence: high) — Commentator explanation: 'they they started this with the out of ball unfortunately and they found out that was not a good idea so they removed that'
- **[competitive_signal]** Card format creates new competitive strategy where players can select specific games not just for their own strength but to handicap or 'bump down' competing players based on their known weaknesses (confidence: high) — Commentator discussing strategy: 'you can pick games to hurt other people try to bump other people down'; discussion of looking at competitors' scores to target games to disadvantage them
- **[design_philosophy]** Analysis of Gottlieb machines (Free Fall, Eldorado) shows design pattern of numbered roller targets (1-9) lighting drop targets with progressive multipliers (up to 10x), emphasizing precise aiming and shot selection (confidence: medium) — Detailed rule explanation during Free Fall and comparative discussion with Eldorado
- **[product_concern]** Banzai machine experienced ROM/technical issues during INDISC 2019 and was not operational for demonstration; commentators hoped for repair for second day Classics II tournament (confidence: high) — Commentator: 'I was interested with the new ROM but unfortunately it was having issues so see if it's up again tomorrow'
- **[competitive_signal]** Commentary highlights world-class player techniques including ball control, cradle execution, upper flipper orbit shots, and mental composure under tournament pressure; Raymond Davidson and Asher noted for exceptional technique (confidence: high) — Multiple observations of technical skill execution and player psychology during matches
- **[market_signal]** INDISC 2019 attracted international competitive players; online streaming and score tracking at neverdrainscom/2019 made event accessible to remote viewers (confidence: medium) — Mention of European and Australian competitors; multiple references to online scoring system
- **[operational_signal]** Multi-game tournament structure requires significant venue coordination including multiple machine setups, game rotations, group management, and real-time score tracking for card format (confidence: high) — Discussion of multiple simultaneous game groups, card format requirements, and scorekeeper coordination

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## Transcript

Oh incredible save his former life right here on Wall Street [Music] again we're in this 2019 you're watching day 1 classes finals we will have a separate Classic Tournament tomorrow and we will stream those finals as well this is the first time they're doing two classes yeah makes the pressure the time pressure that much that much more tense to deadlines not just by wine yeah the queues were pretty long at the end of the day already here today buffalo pinball thank you so much for that a hundred bit stanky Buffalo can well we need you back for sea of thieves who are we asking for s-sure unfortunately s-sure qualified so he's not gonna be playing sea of thieves for the next day or two I guess one other thing we could talk about is that in discs all of Indus could switch to a card format yeah compared to best game format does someone want to explain that a little bit sure oh yeah with it yeah so it's it actually goes back to the old Papa style format where you need to put in your best on classics your best four game card so you pretty much have to play four games in a row and that that equates to your entry it's different than that you can't just keep playing the same game over and over again until you get a really good score right so if you have a really bad game on your card that might get that card busted saying you need to be more I felt with the original pump-and-dump which we had here it felt like I could just play again kind of get locked in and then actually blow it up with this it's literally you get to play the game and you're not gonna be able to play it because you're playing all the games after that yeah so you like this format or this is my first time playing in this format it's not my favorite so far especially since I have a card with a that's not a keeper but has a number one score on it so yeah with the old format I probably would be in good shape right now but with the new one yeah you pretty much just need to have this perfect card right to advance playing for consistent games of pinball is very difficult yeah in the main you got to do five yep so that is hard yeah I mean I I I literally saw my card and I've had a bad game but I was too late to get a new card so that the time restriction so I mean I improved on each game but it was kind of sad because I had no chance of making finals after the second game but I needed play the card out yeah alright so we are waiting on a couple players to come back all right at 7:30 with the hey everyone say hi to Carl D'Python Anghelo he's done an amazing job with the stream and with all the cameras to set up the other defense unbelievable I want a lot of emotes in chat right now for Carl there's gonna be 10 miles of HDMI cord I know we're heading through here he's doing a lot of stuff wirelessly to great yeah the classics are all stream wirelessly uh Carl has this awesome mobile raid on wheels it's it easy to move from game the game yeah very very handy they want issuer's we'll see which group Carl decided to give us keep in mind that top eight competitors had a by the first round so we will see them entered into this second round thank you for the Penelope's lock boy it's my kitty again you could follow along at home at never drains calm slash 2019 you can see how the card format works out actually adds a lot of strategy I think you have to be really careful about which games you pick you can pick games to hurt other people try to bump other people down which is interesting yep so definitely a lot of strategy involved and it's very nerve-racking once you get that card with three good games or four good games you just need that last good game oh it's stressful yeah there's the link Thank You Centron yeah I said I literally played one game in the main bank got for his place on pirates and I'm like so I'm here commentating yeah she had that's the jersey Jack we have pirates here Pirates of the Caribbean Jersey Jack in the main bank I think this might be and there's a dialed-in over at the women's and kids and so pinball from all different companies here all different errors no matter what you like there's something here you would enjoy I'm hoping we get that Banzai round working yeah me too I wanted to see that yeah I was interested with the new ROM but unfortunately it was having issues so see if it's up again tomorrow yep that we will it looks like we're just about to get you to another round and I I didn't even think about that as a strategy if you have like a bum card you could literally decide okay I'm gonna push this player down yeah definitely oh jeez that's that's mean especially if you're on the bubble you want to look at the people around you and maybe someone has a okay score in another game and you could play that game too just try to knock them down yeah just need a couple points yeah yeah so one of the differences also is that all your scores count so even if your card isn't a keeper those scores will still count unless you avoid them yep so we're going into the got lead free fall ooh been fallen and this is a one player game so Ben will play his full game and then we will continue with snow Phil and Cory so I guess this is bulb to this we'll find out might be hard to see that unfortunately we'll see if we could get that in view so what you want to do in this game has hit the numbered rollovers I believe it's one through nine and that likes the drop targets for 10x right for 10 10x yeah I think it goes to 500 and then if you get the 10 X 1 that will be lit for Kinect you want to get both of these lights lit here okay and then it's the max value gotcha but they kind of shift around yeah I actually I did not touch this game so I unfortunately do not have so we're at a twenty thousand now and they save if I counted right where I'm ball three till this game here to so oh is it actually no no no I think only Eldorado had that ball and play plus one ball so switch hits alternate which drops are lit for 10x and then the numbered rollovers like the other light or I believe it goes up to five hundred points out of fifty so we're either on ball three or four here forty mm it's based off of what I saw during my scorekeeping that's a decent score we're already up to fifty thousand he's doing pretty good a nice little tap there drops have been reset and unfortunately he's gonna lose that down the middle so we are now on ball I can't tell down the middle weeks yeah I think that's it yep that is ball five so Ben is going to end with fifty nine thousand three hundred ninety and Carl's going to set that up so the score to beat is currently that by Ben Clemente from Arizona you hear crazy Katie man how you doing burrs so we got snow next from Colorado shoutouts the Colorado pinball be sure they give them a following twitch as well great stream ghost know exactly with a lunchbox there a puppy mascot down on the top planes so what do the top lines steal when you complete them those are numbered so they light one of these drops got a 500 yes and then you want to hit hit it when it's lit for both 510 X for a total of 5,000 each yep is the max value very similar to El Dorado Joe snow thank you for the hundred videos that flip you know the kids are playing the same bank as the woman's as far as the low score is in the kid tournament so they're tough I saw some of the top ladies having some some tough games over there just a rough bounce out of that side lane goes straight down the middle my accounts correct this is ball three hey is it ball to you I believe it's ball two Oh drops are completed completing the drops also gives you a 5,000 points that's a 5,000 that's what would like to adopt Carl I'd be scared if dead flip had 40 sony handycams right out lane the only way to get the one-in-three is through those outlaying so you can get them on top some of the numbers are double those numbers rollovers also do light some of these side rollovers for extra points as well she's got most of those drops lit 32,000 it's gonna be last full week this is ball five got some catching up to do gets that in Lane down nice and now the WoW is lit just go to town on those drop targets yeah 40,000 oh no no no gonna end with 40,000 690 it looks like that tents been in in a minute problem today overall solid game I think for this game yeah I like these kind of Gottlieb games with similar to Eldorado where one drop is lit or a few drops are way you really have to aim accurately to get those maximum points we've got a fill coming up here from Ontario ooh the same ways snow drains really yeah yep unfortunately a failing to get one of those inlanes that were lit it's definitely harmful for the rest of the game and I said on the tip of the flipper there there's a completion of the drop targets it goes for that 5,000 and nails that he's up to 37,000 already gets a 500 drop there possibly town a very good ball to hear yeah great ball put in a nudge budget it all the way to the right flipper laptop gets another Lane lip just passed now with 44,000 now looks like he has three drops currently lit that one's gonna know him 500 great ball what a ball Jack with another hundred biddies thank you jack got a good amount of those job slit that ones only 500 he didn't have the multiplier there so you just pulled into first right now yeah 60,000 nice cradle finishes up the drops we see draining out the right out lane and gotta breathe nobody just needs the one it's already at 72,000 this guy is racking up oh but that's a commentators curse I think this is his last fall I was just repeating what chap said it's Jack's fault nice 5,000 dropped there that one was also 5,000 so he's gonna end with 80 4500 a great game so am I reading that right on the back last the till penalty is ballin play plus one ball yes two balls Wow interesting is that standard on this game or is that a uh well they they started this with the out of ball unfortunately and they found out that was not a good idea so they removed that I don't remember this being there when I was scorekeeping but I didn't really cover free fall it's all your fault dead flip he still got first place so far so we'll see what Corey could do here since this is a one player eeehm I'm really nervous when I play them one player games in a tournament and like the qualifying or not qualifying but for playoffs when you go first or when you go last regardless but I mean going first definitely has a huge disadvantage I feel yes so Corey going last notice all of the scores he has to be yep completely get some inland nice control gets a 5,000 off the bet but it doesn't register because he also hit the other drop next to it right so I think I registered the the base value times 10 and not the 5,000 no he didn't actually hit the 5,000 my bad lining up those lights with the target's hard that's some five thousands on that right side he hit one of them so he's up to 18,000 so far so this is sort of the important part when you have one drop left and Cory nails it yep resets all the drops and then you can get even more points he has three currently left for 5,000 each because if you're having trouble hitting that last drop you're sort of not getting any points for a while now he hit both drops there but unfortunately that only triggered one 5,000 right yeah preferably you hit each one separately and give it time to count the switch looks like he's gone for that far right 5,000 drop it's already up to 44,000 so he's currently now he's finishes up with the point here trying to catch up to bend now about 59,000 nails another 5,000 and catches up past Ben Clemente so he was locked in second let's see if he could get first he has favored not to go after the that drop target from the right flipper fortunately he goes for the left one and drained see if he can plunge into the 5 up to 69 thousand now has one drop left that second drop on the left there it is three sets as drops it's the 5,000 hits another looks like that was a 5,000 but all he needs is one more hit to Meis it should pretty much secure first that commentator curse right just needs one more 5,000 one more and all of his numbers reset all his numbers were you said it's at 5,000 earn now so that's not good yeah he completed the whole bank he's gonna have to grind out a couple thousand points here this is the scariest part when you just need a few points on an e/m yeah thousand points Bob pop bumper it does make that nice adjustment there where people are trying to live catch it out of that left way and he's got it he caught it eighty-eight thousand great games on three ball yeah very nice game from all four competitors this is a round this is the quarterfinals and throw P so we can see Corey finishing around one on free fall with four points filled children Birnbaum taking two points then Clemente with one and snow Galvan gonna have to catch up on getting two and three we also had a group one mystic finish up looks like Bob Matthews took first with four points Damian taking second with two points Keith Elwin with one point and Bob calm went well with zero points you're watching it never drains in Southern California 2019 thanks everyone for tuning in your interest in the standings you have the site on the bottom left of the corner never drinks calm / 2019 to catch up with all the scoring going on me which see which this is still game one ball three looks like Asher is in a lead 600,000 points killer group here yep got uh sure Raymond Davidson Stephen book Bowden and Howard Dobson I would not want to be the scary no matter how high I believe you have in this group so Escher gets one bonus multiplier you want to complete the drop target Bank with the X lit in front of it yeah around that loop though your bonus X does carry over in this game so you want to get that early I believe bonus carry uh bonus carries Forex it always keeps the Forex okay yeah yeah that's a common thing in a lot of these classic Stern's if you get your bonus X to high then it starts to reset yeah yeah I think this one even if you get the 7 X it will be down to four X next a football so Escher's completed each drop target Bank once that lights the loop for a double value Riptide how much does the loop work know that ton I want to say each one of those lights is a thousand and then so doubled it'd be two thousand so I'd say that's about twenty 20-some thousand I'm sure someone in chat knows the exact value we can let us know and you have the spinner value as well which is controlled by the green lights right yep so he has three or four lips it's the third one right up here that he would need to complete it it's red a lot riding on this screen I'd say 800 a spin right now these about passed a million which is a very nice course you see which there it is up that spinner tries for that loop and the one thing with Usher that I've always noticed is he usually stays really calm no matter what's going on with the game with a ball very nice ball nice finish fresher but he has a yeah he has his bonus comp down the mental game and pinball is so important this kid got us see in the English look at that bonus countdown Buffalo pinball thank you so much for that host so that would have been the number four qualifying score Oh yep yeah Nick Stein had the top score on that one Jamil Raymond Davidson coming up fall three he did have his multipliers of hooks linked or he just got his third one it looks like actually keeps the ball in play there ready to line up on the left side [Music] trying to get the bank on the right side it looks like try to backhand it there it is so that's gonna light his actually he's that southern accent looks like yeah he's completed as multipliers shooing the loop again does it go all the way around a lot of value on that spinner too though it's huge it's trying to hit that loop with the bottom flipper there it's a bonus collect I'm a drop target bang goes up to 700,000 feeding that spinner trying to get that loop feeding it again it's got the ball settled and hit led spinner again he is working at trying to catch up to Usher and that's been our value is maxed yep thousand has been looks like he's trying to get that bonus collect on the middle bank so I worked a good amount of points right now max bonus a passed a million now got the bonus collect again and the the way you get that bonus collect is the second or after time that you complete a drop target bank you want to leave one drop standing and that drop will be lit for bones collect yep so has the center one lip for punish but you can see it blinking and he just got it just collected it so he's up almost to 1.3 million I think with bonuses I believe he is - yes but keep in mind he's also got Keith Elwin playing behind them so inoculate sorry Steven Bowden and Howard Dobson what game I was thinking the previous game this is some world class play you're seeing folks magnets in the fingertips and these surpasses 1.6 million with that so Howard's gonna come up starting about where Raymond did the last ball so it's definitely doable can I need some work though our Dobson from Annapolis Maryland great to see people from all over the country coming up to in desk yeah yeah not just the country but the world definitely got some Europeans in here possibly someone from Australia gets that loop from the bottom flipper they're working on that upper right drop target Bank gets that a mop to get it each time you collect a bonus multiplier it moves to a different bank so now the center Bank is like Center Bank is what that was his 4x so he just completed his 5x Center bank and he'll need to collect that left bank now it's time for Riptide he's quickly gaining speed on his points and well he did pick up some good points there he almost got to 500,000 and now we have Steven Bowden starting with 165 165 thousand mountain of points to get anywhere he's also out the ride out land so he unfortunately is going to take a 0 here Raymond Davidson coming from behind to take the victory here we will get 4 points Asher will take 2 Howard's gonna get 1 and Steven Bowden it's gonna end with 0 this first game best of three guys shoutouts to color DMD actually I've never seen it on one of the high-res Sega displays we have a color DMD on Baywatch here he actually looks pretty cool Museum a pinball come out and play some pinball if you're in SoCal guys they're open til Sunday got pin stadium lights brighten up your play field today captain's auction warehouse buy some games by all the game get some pinball and we are currently at it never trains in Southern California out here in banning California I love this new logo they have yep they're also selling t-shirts here in the gift shop that are pretty cool yep and Brian on the Oh smart bit got to get Carl to fix that logo and we're back to Keller DMV method saw thank you so much for your subscription thank you I'm sure that will help maybe make a little bit of a dent out of the equipment Carl plates pays for this so we're in the game Carl gives you a thumbs up of this group with Raymond Steven Howard in a shirt we're more laser cure this is another favorite laser q forever gotta get some mystic in there yeah yeah yeah someone mentioned wanting to see mystic and I'm like wait for me I would not fair for him and getting some nice bumper love already gotten two bonus multipliers he's just going back up to those multipliers chops it on the right flipper there see he hitting the wrong target longest wrong target right back up there yep it's gonna get another multiplier here but he's up to 4x already and that's gonna stay from ball to ball goes for that drop target Bank to finish and he misses which mean yep I'm hearing him saying how bad that dream was in the back they're literally playing right behind us Steven Bowden player 2 with that awesome beard awesome beard and it looks like he's gonna do kind of the same method try to get those multipliers going nice nudge there to keep it from that out Lane but back into that left out Lane the pinball gods disagree unfortunately ending with basically no progress there I love the player can run the Damien running around then we got player three and Howard Dobson he qualified in eighth had the bye last round testing out the staging staging so we were talking about earlier I haven't seen anyone actually do it successfully though yeah I'd be too afraid that is a tough thing to do but these are our world-class players so never know so on the left flipper so does he go for drops he does go straight for the drops I think the other players were going for multiplies and like tries to hold up the ball and it decides milk not gonna have any of that Howard picking up 50,000 on ball one and we've got as you're left off Colorado and Carl's trying to freeze up our strip again Tim Balz how are you doing Tim how goes uh all the things that are pinball and why are you not here I know I was gonna say yeah you should be out here I think I saw a post about him I forgot what it was I have two Kia ear infection that's what it was after eating a lollipop he is and you know what it's like no big deal just playing a finals class this game gonna eat a lollipop yeah and then you know there's the ball between the flippers and known is that what happened actually it was so fast I didn't see it so now we're back to raymond ball to Raymond the bleed right now already has 4x multiplier is not happy with that last train but he did to get those multipliers which was you yeah no that was a lot of progress on ball one you just get it through that uh you can make it back into the shooter lane and if your spinners lit that could be worth a ton of points [Applause] he's still working up the multipliers it looks like he gonna go for the drop he does completes his one to five now he's going for the left targets they're flashing white ones nails it now I want the right side and he nails that so he has left ball which is that right orbit right there completes a rack and Raymond sitting pretty right now oh yeah he's got 5x multipliers yeah now the multipliers are gonna start going up quite a bit get pretty juicy then he goes seven and then ten yes it's something ten yep who tries to juggle it ball and out the left out Lane but that bonus is gonna count up he didn't tell Pitt did you know so he's up to four four four hundred thirty thousand got Steve didn't Bowden well all of the other players didn't do much with their ball one yep let's see what they could see he has no multipliers no balls does get his first multiplier there and those pops could actually really give you some help Wow get to do a cradle on that upper right flipper you're gonna go for the drops here drop spinner yeah drops yep so he gets the first one and you have to do these in order if you fail and you hit key ones later you lose progress kicks it back one so he's going for that middle drop and he gets it and he gets the fourth one and now I could complete it and there it is beautiful so now to complete the rack he has to hit the left stand stand up there with the flashing lights then I'll want to go for the right one and then the 8-ball I love using that upper flipper to hit that orbit yep and we talked about those cue targets right there but they're not really worthwhile so you really want to get back up there get some bonus Mon fire louisiana's bonus multipliers up he's at 3x now another thing we didn't talk about is so his orbit for the eight ball is actually maxed out at a hundred thousand so when he collects the eight ball he will also get a hundred thousand points he's still got to hit that right you only get that value when the eight ball is lit but you do build it up I believe each time you hit it yes and that's the same with these 6 and the 7 often yeah yeah Thank You Carl I realized that I just thought no about you online right now Oh master weird bounce so he does Sister Dee pool indeed get through a ball too with 230,000 now parkade thank you for those hundred biddies and same with Joseph is multiply out is Dre hower Dobson stepping up again for his ball too unfortunately he got some of the balls I was done he needs two drops to at least save progress on the balls it's the wrong one hits the wrong drop now how did he get that drop after that did he spell ball he must have yes because that will spot you a drop or a full ball okay so in spinners what yeah just why spinners like so do you go for spinner or do you go for the drop sir spinner is a tight shot I would if you need a few points to get on the board over that left out land Oh Howard jumps up to 148,000 yeah oh no I'm sure stepping up no lollipop this time I don't know I'd go with the lollipop get that sugar it is starting to get late here Hayes on Colorado time right so it's what ten and a lot of hours of pinball yep goes for that drop and it just didn't want to drop I think only nice saves uh keeps it alive and you can see the hesitation there no one wants to get scissored yeah on that right flipper although the balls are coming back down is he missing or is it pinky cliff dead but they're of those completes his five look at that nerves of steel yep patience just trying to get the shot he needs dances a ball over the left flipper and decides to go up top gets a multiplier his first one the option to let the ball come down here has the spinner light now and just go straight back up top oh but it dances up the slingshot and out the left out lane that hurts pushers gonna end ball four in third with 187,000 and the essent progress going so no one's safe here ball three starting with Raymond Davidson now Raymond does have 5x multipliers so Raymond is feeling good right now he doesn't have to worry about much just pile on the lead yep he's already got the one rack set up ah so the one thing I forgot is when you whenever you spell pool it also spots you a ball letter so that is how I sure gotta drop targets spelled pool to get a bonus multiplier which also finished ball yeah so Raymond almost finishing up the is getting up to that level which the multipliers get insane yes I believe they max out of 20x yep the last one I believe is 20x which is just out of control so I think he's probably at 7 X and then I think it goes 10 15 20 I might be wrong there they're big numbers ooh there was a little insert there that a homeless cottham I think he's up to 10x that 10 or 15 that's something which I've tried to work on with my cameras is being able to actually see what's in those inserts and it's not the easiest thing to do that nice spinner that's gonna give him about thirty thousand who's right down the middle but Ramon's gonna get a huge count out yep 750 750 3,000 finishing the game off with very solid score so Stephen is in second place with about 230,000 yep but the other players are hot on his tail yep he doesn't have so my bonus multiplier so maybe old even has probably the most progress out of all of them - he's close to his uh his rack and he has a four for X multiplier dawn the question is what is he gonna do here and he's just going back up top gets his five hours patience playing the ball trying to get the ball settled so he could decide where to go next and he has the eight ball lit now and a huge value - very huge value that's worth upwards - I'd say one hundred fifty thousand and he gets it that upper flipper again he's really good at that so he got collected the eight ball value his rattle a nice little nudge to bring it back in that was a awesome nudge and he's already working on his next rack there's got the 8-ball lit up in the value by hitting those homogeneous that was close Oh slings it up into those drops and back down and out so I'm not gonna catch Raymond but a healthy lead ahead of Howard and Eckhart yeah picks up five hundred seventy seven thousand very good ball very close very close he had had the opportunity Howard stepping up he is in last place currently does have multiplier but that's about it to start ball as Daniels thank you for those hundred biddies really appreciate it now you need to get out to banning for sure great location so Howard getting his one through five drops up top it now worked on getting those others goes up top well collect a multiplier three EPs and that also collected ball spinners lid he's lined up to get some points here keeps the ball in play get some control cradles the ball on the left side gonna settle down I up that orbit shot yep take your time wants the stand up though so you can complete his rack who hits the writs that stand up and goes out the left out land it's up to 289,000 now so he's currently sitting in third and here comes a sure I sure is close to completing his wreck and has 2 X multiplied so each ball is worth 2,000 in bonus is that correct it sounds like that anything has a 2x already so he's probably got about 25 in the bank I count 22 so you really started buying your bonus here and figure out how much do you really need he gets the ball up into the shooter land working as multiplier got 3x now so each ball is worth 3,000 and this is gonna be close Wow 5,000 off just shy 9,000 off sorry so it sure is gonna take a zero that round here's all the quarter final grouping these guys and if you want to follow along with the brackets check out never drinks coms last twenty nineteen so I think I'm gonna step away all right all right thank you Brian Brian O'Neill thanks guys Brian O'Neill from San Francisco area thank everyone should thank him for his commentary yeah great commentary and uh check out the score bit yeah keep an eye out I think they're just entering data right now I saw a post on so forums yeah you can read up on it I think it's a great idea they're working really great for the storekeepers so let's look at what the other groups are doing so we didn't get the completion of the laser cube but we could look at group two looks like Corey done has koala by the end of the semis and we've got a three-way tie going into Game three with snow Galvin philburn bomb and then Clemente so it's anyone's anyone's game it is group three with Damian Charlotte team in first Bob Matthews in second Keith Elwin in third and Bob unfortunately in fourth currently anyone's game though between those three guys Damian Bob and Keith and then we've got a group for on eight ball or they've completed eight ball bone turns five points Phil Baird with four points Loeb McKinney with three points and Tony look live Vigna with two points forgive us Tony perk which on your name I thought I did a good job it took me a second probably right again shout outs the banning right place there's so many games here I love coming here because I get to play these games I've never seen in my life yep Joe so thank you for the 104 bitties thank you going towards the Karl DeAngelo ie pinball stream fellow DMV it's funny seeing color DMD on you know like Game of Thrones because you can actually recognize the people in the cutscenes that normally oh it's just a bunch of dots but what the color it really brings it to life so sponsored by a museum the pinball and pinball stadium lights we're here at it narrowed rains in Southern California 2019 this is the first day classics finals yep there will be another classics tournament tomorrow so be sure to tune in again and then on Sunday we'll have the finals for the main bank the woman's Bank the high-stakes Bank lots of pinball action this weekend yep so make sure you keep tuning in again we thank you all for watching and looks like we're about ready choo choo Bob thank you so much for that follow and same with tilt quemic tilts person we're on freefall freefall again this is Raymond Davidson has already qualified in the semis so this is a fight off between Esther Howard and Steven now I do want to clarify something right now which is please do the finalists can only choose each game once for the entire set a final Oh for the entire flamen decided to defer choices around you think he wants to save some games at this point yeah since he's definitely already qualified for tim eyes he wants to save his picks so he's just playing this is a one player game so we're gonna see Raymond play first and then assure Howard and Steven Raymond did have two unfortunate balls there just swing doubt Lane bounced off the top of the swing Thanks grade-a looking like payday well he's moved on to the semis I think all our 24 finalists get some prize yeah moving on up so you want to experience explain the freefall yeah freefall you want to hit the number of rollovers I believe it's one through seven and that will light these drop targets here for 500 instead of 50 and then they also alternate it the lights just below four 10s so max value on those drops will be 5000 so you want to keep an eye on those lights hit them when they're completely lit get the numbered rollovers and don't three yeah now how do you add lights to the 10x I know it just alternates just all this from those three and then usually that's this before I think one lights just out so the seventh one's always lit just have a burn out on the second one and actually the way I've usually seen that there's only one drop is lit but it looks like in this this game four of them are lit at a time yep my stead bounce take a easy controlled shot I'm gonna go up to try they get that five thousand drop and nice little tip there and that middle pop is worth a thousand a pop - yeah those Humphreys are just fighting the slings right now trying to get some control hits a $5,000 and that's gone out nice ball there so that's gonna finish it up at 75,000 120 points which is a very good game on this the game we saw earlier the top score was what about 80 Corey had 88 thousand yeah it's around 88 I think a few people rolled this but it was very low margin you can see on the backlash there if you tilt you loses two balls actually yep that it is Flair to of the etcher left and once Carl's Carl's doing some some fixing of something going on in the software right now I think someone had a scoring error one player games you want to make sure to take a picture of the score so you don't lose track of it kind of wish we had a notepad here so we could just write it down yep so Asher is walking huh now Raymond was already safely through but maybe his score will foil one of the other players yep so Carl Raymond had 76120 points not that his score really matters much he's already through 76120 now the winner of these remaining players will advance so this is sort of a playoff for them so unfortunately estro starts off in this is all the inlanes he gets that one on the left and without lane but so only his left drop target is worth 500 he gets the four roll over so now he has to he went for the 5000 up the middle it looks like the 4 is probably the best job to have because that's always led for 5000 pressure getting a nice in Lane there on the right side ooh those inserts slowing down the ball and causing his ball to drain he zipped down the ball three now he is up to 19,000 Oh a Lazarus nice Lazarus come back from the dead your wits about you to be ready to put that ball away once you get that opportunity Ashur already came back with the the tiebreaker last round and the quarterfinals he is looking at a trying to make it through to the semis it's got a lot of work though because a 26,000 ball three so he's up to ball four now the balls count down so he has two balls left this being ball two and then one more gets his seven drop flip takes down that five thousand four drop he's quickly picking up this for he's up to 44,000 with another 5,000 hit very nice reaction that backhand puts him up another 5,000 and there is up to 54,000 nice job double the score yep now he's gonna want to hit us he could backhand that one for 5,000 but he hits the six drop giving him 500 points and each sling will move that multiplier 10 acts from side to side so at this point you just want to reset the bank yep to give yourself more playing opportunities how many points up the drops are all down but drops did reset he gets a nasty feet out the right side he's on ball 5 with 56 or 66,000 he's got all his drops licked so he wants to hit him one at a time on these five thousands he hits one and then drains down the center so he's gonna finish up with 70 2490 the game was looking scary for a minute but he didn't get nervous and had a really nice game yeah he he started off pretty rocky with that first that first ball he only had the one lane so he didn't catch up to Raymond that doesn't matter in this fight he just has to beat Howard and Steven to move on so Howard is going to come up as player 3 we were just talking about the mental game I mean that's a big thing in the classics because you're gonna get the rough balls and you don't do much but yeah just have to brush it off and keep it going yeah sometimes you know you play a few balls and it's just bad but in games like this all it takes is to hit 5,000 5,000 5,000 and all of a sudden you're up to the leader powered getting the five inland nice touch there gets a nice inland there and can he nudge it over who gets a nice love from the pop so he's got three drops already left he gets a drain he could possibly go for that seven drop I think I've heard people mentioning they liked going down that a seven side I think it was Bob mentioning it I guess you do bounce into this pop bumper intend to bounce down these lanes here which can be wet for points yep that he goes down to the five there's also that one thousand bumper up there he's gonna get the one job so he has four of the seven drops now lit looks like he tried for the one on the left but gets number two and he bounces off the sling into the middle maybe a little nudge when it hit the top of the sling would have kept that ball on Howard is from Annapolis Maryland sorry yeah thanks for coming out ours yeah so we got ball three going he's got 13,000 he needs to at least catch up to Usher was 72,000 his playoff sir on the line but he qualified eight seeds so he had that buy came in really nice had some good games earlier losses on that left out lane and he is down to two more balls it needs 50,000 points thanks that's just ten lit drops right just ten let your ops yeah it's a good way to think about it you do it one at a time can't get them all at once so it just went down to seven and he got the two so everything is lit now if I recall if he drains his bank gets reset yes but what does the WoW give it's supposed to give you an extra ball I don't believe that your balls are on there off yeah they started on and they quickly turned them off on the first game of it so I guess the WoW is worth Lulu other than losing all your 500 yeah so literally this is the last ball in Howard has no 500 drops lit this is round this is the quarterfinals Excalibur Howard how to find the first round and I've always found it being tough to have buys in competition you're coming in cold the players that had to fight through the earlier rounds they're warmed up now Howard's quickly you know with that thousand pop is quickly catching up on points and he had a five-thousand drop there he's up to 53,000 guys just like he said one drop at a time yeah he only has three lips for five thousand so at this point I would just reset the bank yep he only has that one drop left and he'll it's his seven as well so he has four drops lit now unfortunately the multipliers on the wrong side though he hit the 500 but not multiplied he does hit his 5,000 that is led on both sides hits a 500 close yeah and at this point he just hit his another 500 maybe just go for the drops and he's out of that Lane at 71 920 home Ike in this just a thousand off even less than that 500 100 off one drop target even unmultiplied yeah a hole that was heartbreaking guys and there is no bonus in this game so unfortunately I think Howard's classics run is over for today that it is he played great though and like I said he had some tough going there but he started ball five with nothing whipped and he made a run for it made 30,000 points it just wasn't enough now Steven Bowden stepping up yeah Mike pin daddy said it was a beautiful ball five it just needed 500 more points they uh bout in trying to short lunch it looks like or just making sure he gets a rollover that he knows killing for the seminal over like you mentioned yep he hits the 500 drop its unmultiplied unfortunately and he's fighting the slings right now and that bikes in Lane is nasty on the right side it just he likes going down the middle that beat so you have to preemptively nudge give it a little bit more bounce so he picks up 8,000 ball one and three drops lines up his plunge he'll definitely be going for one of the inlanes outside it then I'm not sure what you you know just keep going for drops really you got a fifth in drop awesome it's coming back he it dances it out with the flipper it gets a six drop and let it bounce over and just fix up a job I think it was a drop yard ooh no he tilted that not only loses one ball but it loses his next ball and did he that is unfortunate and he may have I don't know what he did was that his ball for that must have been his ball for yeah that's the end of the game then I think it was a tilt through yeah that's what it looked like yeah so he lost four balls in that tilt he only had three anyways so he is not enough I think that ball he was trying to save was almost pretty much gone already at that time he tilted yeah actually that was ball 2 Wow so he tilted through for hilt tilted lost his ball and then it tilted through so he lost two more balls after that so he ends up with 10,000 he is unfortunately going to take last in this group Howard gets you know gets a point finishes third in the group uh sure is gonna be able to dance with Raymond Davidson into the semis Congrats to Raymond an effort tilt ends game indeed yeah there they're discussing it there might actually be a ball given but there's definitely gonna be a discussion there so hold off on that congratulations till later all right we'll see what else we have laser Q is not finished no no one's actually finished here this is a games three four all the other opponents and we will get you updates as soon as possible we have a closed group too yeah anyone honestly every group is closed the only player which is definitely out as Bob Caldwell but everyone else is definitely in it and no one's walking away with it than any of the other groups hopefully we'll get some more different classics on screen you're watching it never drains in Southern California 2019 here in banning California at the Museum of pinball day one of classics finals all right all the other games are on ball three player three or four so I can't move the rig over yep so we're just gonna sit tight how are you guys doing doing good we're gonna I'm just having a great time I mean this lineup is just nuts what's your favorite classics game Raymond um here today good question I've really enjoyed I had never played in El Dorado I played it I had a chance to actually get some life I pretty much was out of my cart at that point but I pulled off top 20 score and it was potentially a top 10 I just needed one more job yeah El Dorado very similar to free fall you wanna hit the litter off yep very much a shooters game my favorite game actually out of this bunch was C which which I started out how distinct ER I had a great first ball and just a stinker game overall and you know at that point the timing was just trashed I couldn't restart a new card I did feel like wasting the money either to potentially get a fourth game in so that's the the problem with or not the prom but the strategy behind this card system yeah now I mean cues were about 30 minutes a game and I'm on you know for 4 p.m. and it's like 4:20 p.m. basically and I'm like I could try to restart the game but I might not get my fourth gaming so I just decided to take this e which which was enough horrible game but it was not good and unfortunately I bombed out C which is a great game the classics turn in awesome artwork and it's done done me well I played on this specific one at pinball wizard pinball madness and another okay that's tournament here at the Museum of pinball yeah so they have events here throughout the year yeah look them up check out our K decks go check out pinball madness yep you don't mind I'm gonna step away just a brief moment take a break and I'll be right back guys Thank You Raymond Raymond ass ask me everyone so yeah we're just finishing up the quarterfinals here Raymond and Escher advanced pending any decisions related to that game was that decision final Carl yes so Raymond and Escher yes it's like Cory's gonna advance as well but they're still the rest of the players are playing a playoff Ben and snow it's like look like they have to play a playoff to see who advances in that group same in group three looks like Damien and Bob Matthews have to play a playoff and through or is still in progress so lots of tight matches thank you all for tuning in again tomorrow we will have another classics tournament on stream around the same time and then on Sunday we have the grand finals for the main bank as well as the women's Bank and the high-stakes Bank all will be streamed here on ie pinball so be sure to tune in hit that subscribe button throw Carl some bits for all of his work he puts in Harlem gym just running around all day setting everything up a lot of work and it really shows so we should be getting into the next round that are hopefully we'll see one of these playoff games perhaps I'll be great these games were all dialed in very difficult in this classic classics Bank we've seen a lot of the Blazer Q on screen some freefall some pins of steel there are I believe five more games hopefully we'll get one of those on screen yeah the high-stakes bank $50 a card and it's an amazing Bank anyone would love the high-stakes Bank berrak or a jackpot Paragon Godzilla Argosy awesome tournament games and they really brought out all of the great games for the high stakes bank welcome back Raymond glad to be back enjoying pinball this weekend it's only Friday yeah little pots of pinball to be played it's a marathon so uh Dan these games are already completed I believe we're just waiting for confirmation it looks like the see which group did finish up bowing Karen's getting 9 points and we're gonna have a playoff between Phil Baird of DC and will McKinney don't really know where Wells from I know he's from Arizona I believe he's a very skilled player from Arizona yeah I've seen him at SAP Khan himself in dis group 3 Keith Elwin advanced Keith Owen actually had lesser points than Damian and Bob there so Bob and Damian are gonna have a playoff because a Bob Caldwell ended up placed 2nd place in that laser q game looks like Corey done qualifying on Joker pokken we're gonna have a playoff as well on Blue Note yeah and I think it's a snow Galvin was having a playoff as well I'm not sure which playoff we're doing here but we're gonna be playing Blue Note here which for any game I may not have a good any good luck with this game I know I was wearing my cat helmet when I played it I did not have a good luck either unfortunately uh this game can be kind of annoying because you want to get this Center spinner lit for a thousand a spin and you changed the value by hitting this right spinner and if it just spins the wrong number of times you'll just never get that a thousand lip yep you also want to hit the door Amy targets on the left left side of the play field and what does that do gives you points I believe if you get them all you would like to and I think this special is just one Oh actually interesting fact about this game I think this is the first game that had an actual skill shot programmed into the game or I guess it's not perfect because it's an e/m but this Lane is lit up here for the skill shop I need it for a minute we have lost some tiebreaker so I gotta fix it I was stealing Carl smells cursor uh-huh so I will not do that yeah I believe it'd be fun gently and I forget how much the point value it is but hopefully someone will plunge it and we'll see I do believe after you hit the door Amy targets on the left and they unlight they are worth 5,000 a hit after when they are not with but I was not having what Kingdom I was down to one and then dried my last ball so that's where I was at this is not pinball guys just to make that clear but if you want to see the Carl needing to do a lot of things as part of it what's up now we're good got the game up there gotcha all right unfortunately I'm not sure who this is but this is a one player en so he's player one and then whoever is the there was a three player group so it's possible that this group gets the first two note targets he's up to 17,000 already though as spinners only lit for ten thousand ten points and you'll see that right spinner unfortunately Lancet back to ten points and that's where this game can be frustrating yep definitely with he's brought spun it's on but it's up to a hundred not the thousand we're looking for so that was ball three I believe so we're on ball four 24,000 points has three doremi targets lit left his spinners now worth 10 nails one of the note targets and we're going down in the final ball 32,000 yeah someone sneezing I think that's sunshine yeah we are in the Museum of pinball in banning California coasts several events over the year including this one so there is that sling right next to the left flipper which makes things very difficult on this game so those new targets worth 5,000 a pop right now gets the 1 2 3 is up to 43,000 at all spinners worth 10 points unfortunately and he finishes the game with 45150 which is not shabby and he is up against no Galvin so we'll see if now Galvan could succeed and surpass him in this game yeah so I find it interesting how this skill shot it even turns off once it switches hit so even that far back this was the first game they thought putting the skill felt like that plunge the right lane yeah and it doesn't move it looks like yeah how do you move it or is it the right one then the middle then the lava comes just random okay however it works in the e/m mechanics you certainly can't change it there is no lane change right all all the lunch boxes in the in the chat let's go so that skill shot was worth ten thousand now snow is from Colorado pinball she streams pinball as well what if her husband Paul give them a follow he gets one of the dough revenue targets followed by another one it's already up to 11,000 she needs 45 and this is all my ball one let's go gets the drain it's so hard to get the ball under control on that left flipper to hit that right spinner what you want to do and even if you do hit it then sometimes it doesn't even stop Muldoon oh she did come down the right lane she drains the ball her spinner only went to a hundred a ball three opting to flick it over to the doremi targets gets a drain this is gonna be ball 4 she's at 15,000 she needs 45 guys he's 30,000 oh that skill shot wouldn't help what up Oh No gets the drain she's not happy she's at 17,000 she knows she needs 45 so at this point hitting those unlit Doheny targets for 5,000 a pop would definitely help yep but she goes down that right spinner and into the out Lane the game just did not cooperate so congrats to Ben Congrats on Ben from moving on into the semis well played snow for qualifying and puttin on a good except quarterfinals definitely I mean this tournament is staffed so to make it this far is amazing yep so we could see between Damian and Bob Matthews a playoff Bob Matthews won and the only other playoff we had was will McKinney and Phil yep world McKinney and Phil all right the other games 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