# Episode 29 – American Pinball’s 2nd Game Leaked **Source:** Head2Head Pinball **Type:** podcast_episode **Published:** 2018-02-04 **Duration:** 122m 41s **Beat:** Pinball **URL:** https://www.head2headpinball.com/2018/02/04/episode-29-american-pinballs-2nd-game-leaked/ --- ## Analysis Straight Down The Middle Pinball podcast reviews American Pinball's Houdini machine, featuring an extended designer walkthrough with Joel Balser discussing the playfield layout, innovative mechanics (including a 22-inch catapult shot and interactive stage with ball hiding), and unique design elements like thin standup targets. The episode announces new sponsors (Marco Specialties) and a limited-edition t-shirt collaboration with artist Christopher Franchi. ### Key Claims - [HIGH] Houdini uses thin standup targets that are 1/16 inch narrower than standard half-inch targets, the first implementation of this size in pinball — _Joel Balser explains the custom target sizing during playfield walkthrough_ - [HIGH] The catapult shot throws the ball 22 inches through the air and achieved approximately 95% accuracy after design refinement — _Joel Balser detailed technical explanation of catapult mechanics and testing process_ - [HIGH] Houdini has no top lane rollovers, freeing up playfield real estate for other features — _Joel Balser discusses design choice in layout explanation_ - [HIGH] The stage feature was designed with servos to hide and reveal a ball, serving as entry point for modes and missions — _Joel Balser walkthrough of interactive stage mechanism_ - [MEDIUM] American Pinball was behind schedule in November (presumably 2023) and had to quickly develop a playfield layout for Houdini — _Joel Balser: 'We were kind of behind the eight ball back in November...last year'_ ### Notable Quotes > "We were kind of behind the eight ball back in November, last year. So we had to get out of computer and come up with a layout that was gonna work for the Houdini things." > — **Joel Balser**, ~22:30 > _Reveals production timeline pressure on Houdini development_ > "I probably did this one or two times in the past. I think this was even on South Park—a shot that went up to this area." > — **Joel Balser**, ~28:45 > _References previous design work and iterative design philosophy_ > "You know, this guy—so what you guys—where they have rollovers or would you guys rather have an awesome theater? Yeah, that's what we want." > — **Joel Balser**, ~27:00 > _Design philosophy prioritizing feature over standard playfield elements_ > "And that's all we did with this. And then the target was retooled. Well, I ever go back to the 1/2-inch targets? Probably not." > — **Joel Balser**, ~39:30 > _Indicates custom target design may become standard going forward_ > "What I like about this is instead of just a lot of times we'll see magnets implemented during multiball...but what we got here is we've got targets they actually hit." > — **Joel Balser**, ~43:30 > _Distinguishes Houdini's magnet implementation from typical multiball usage_ > "And they show me this video, and I'm like, 'Oh boy, we have no backup. Laying on.' Yeah, let's get in there and see what I got to do." > — **Joel Balser**, ~55:00 > _Reveals crisis moment in catapult development with no contingency plan_ > "Once the timing was right and this popped open, and that was through the air. It's making it. And now we're at 95 percent. Awesome." > — **Joel Balser**, ~57:30 > _Final accuracy metric for innovative catapult shot_ ### Entities | Name | Type | Context | |------|------|---------| | Straight Down The Middle Pinball (SDTM) | organization | YouTube pinball review channel and podcast; hosts Zach and Greg Bone | | American Pinball | company | Boutique pinball manufacturer; invited SDTM for factory visit and Houdini review | | Houdini | game | New pinball machine by American Pinball designed by Joel Balser; features interactive stage, catapult shot, thin targets | | Joel Balser | person | Legendary pinball designer; created South Park, Wizard of Oz, Apollo 13, Simpsons Pinball Party; designer of Houdini | | Josh Kugler | person | Software engineer/coder for American Pinball; worked on Houdini rules and code | | Zach | person | Co-host of Straight Down The Middle Pinball; drove to American Pinball with Greg for Houdini review | | Greg Bone | person | Co-host of Straight Down The Middle Pinball; traveled with Zach for American Pinball visit | | Christopher Franchi | person | Pinball artist commissioned for SDTM t-shirt design; formerly at Stern, now associated with Spooky | | Marco Specialties | company | Pinball parts distributor; newly announced sponsor of Straight Down The Middle Pinball | | Flippin' Out Pinball | company | Pinball retailer and distributor; mentioned as show sponsor | | PIN Stadium Lights | company | LED lighting manufacturer for pinball machines; show sponsor | | Pin Graphics | company | Pinball modification and graphics company; show sponsor | ### Topics - **Primary:** Houdini playfield design and layout, American Pinball manufacturing and operations, Innovative pinball mechanics (catapult, interactive stage, thin targets), Designer decision-making and iterative design process - **Secondary:** SDTM sponsorship announcements and t-shirt collaboration, Production timeline and schedule pressure, Magnet implementation in modern pinball - **Mentioned:** Comparison to classic pinball designers and previous games ### Sentiment **Positive** (0.82) — Hosts are enthusiastic about Houdini's design innovations and praise American Pinball's bold decision to allow critical review. Designer discussion is technical and positive about solutions to design challenges. Some minor frustration expressed about difficulty of certain shots, but contextualized as intentional design. ### Signals - **[design_philosophy]** SDTM commissioned Christopher Franchi (known Stern/Spooky artist) for t-shirt design, indicating artist's availability for collaboration outside primary manufacturer (confidence: high) — SDTM announcement of Franchi commission with artwork shown - **[business_signal]** American Pinball demonstrated confidence in Houdini quality by inviting critical SDTM review despite hosts' stated willingness to deliver honest criticism (confidence: high) — Hosts note American Pinball's 'ballsy' decision; Balser noted hosts could paint the machine and still trusted the product - **[design_innovation]** Custom thin standup targets (1/16 inch narrower than standard) represent first-ever implementation of this size in pinball, with designer indicating unlikely return to standard sizing (confidence: high) — Joel Balser detailed technical explanation and statement 'Well, I ever go back to the 1/2-inch targets? Probably not.' - **[design_philosophy]** Joel Balser's design philosophy prioritizes feature innovation over standard playfield conventions (e.g., removing top lanes to create better theater/stage area) (confidence: high) — Multiple design decisions explained with emphasis on spatial optimization and player experience over convention - **[design_innovation]** Houdini uses target-activated magnet system rather than typical multiball magnet placement, distinguishing its implementation (confidence: high) — Joel Balser: 'what we got here is we've got targets they actually hit' - **[design_innovation]** 22-inch catapult shot achieving 95% accuracy represents significant mechanical innovation after crisis development moment with no backup plan (confidence: high) — Detailed technical walkthrough including development challenges, failed testing, design refinement, and final 95% accuracy metric - **[manufacturing_signal]** American Pinball was significantly behind schedule in November 2023, requiring rapid playfield layout development (confidence: medium) — Joel Balser quote: 'We were kind of behind the eight ball back in November, last year' - **[business_signal]** Marco Specialties announced as new SDTM sponsor, indicating podcast growth and industry legitimacy (confidence: high) — Formal sponsorship announcement at episode opening --- ## Transcript are you ready for your next pinball machine call flipping out now and choose machine call flipping out now and choose from the newest and hottest pinball from the newest and hottest pinball machines from jersey jack pinball stern machines from jersey jack pinball stern pinball chicago gaming company and pinball chicago gaming company and american pinball flipping out also american pinball flipping out also offers the Escalera stair climbing hand offers the Escalera stair climbing hand truck visite now it flip in a pinball truck visite now it flip in a pinball calm the wait is over a revolution in an calm the wait is over a 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like you know it makes the possible like you know like going up to American pinball know like going up to American pinball that's right that's right yeah it helps us out with new equipment yeah it helps us out with new equipment we actually bought some new light he did we actually bought some new light he did so for all you guys has support us and so for all you guys has support us and give us donations as well reach out to give us donations as well reach out to us and give us private donations thank us and give us private donations thank you so much it's what keeps this going you so much it's what keeps this going but another thing you can do just to but another thing you can do just to wear some SDTM swag Oh Gregory bone wear some SDTM swag Oh Gregory bone Gregory bone we get to review another Gregory bone we get to review another pinball machine buddy hey how's it going pinball machine buddy hey how's it going guys we're doing Houdini today we are so guys we're doing Houdini today we are so Greg and I went up to American pinball Greg and I went up to American pinball the new manufacturers of Houdini yes and the new manufacturers of Houdini yes and we took a road trip didn't we it was a we took a road trip didn't we it was a road trip no this guy right here hung road trip no this guy right here hung out with me for six hours in the car you out with me for six hours in the car you loved every minute of it loved every minute of it yes and I was terrified he was so yes and I was terrified he was so worried you guys so worried every little worried you guys so worried every little truck that would come closest I'd just truck that would come closest I'd just watch the road man well it's not just watch the road man well it's not just every truck so some Zach's like let's every truck so some Zach's like let's film an episode on the way out and I was film an episode on the way out and I was like no let's stream well yeah let's like no let's stream well yeah let's film it was filmed for okay I was like film it was filmed for okay I was like you know you know I'm kind of a weigh you know you know I'm kind of a weigh the pros and cons of hazardous the pros and cons of hazardous conditions yeah you know it's gonna conditions yeah you know it's gonna slick out there from snow and everything slick out there from snow and everything and so you know I'm kind of terrified and so you know I'm kind of terrified about Zach wanting to do that anyways about Zach wanting to do that anyways yeah they're really ridden with Zach and yeah they're really ridden with Zach and you guys pulse he's got a bubble right you guys pulse he's got a bubble right his bubble ventures out about ten miles his bubble ventures out about ten miles from his home that's where he pretty from his home that's where he pretty much goes to the grocery he goes eats much goes to the grocery he goes eats dinner he goes to work it's all within dinner he goes to work it's all within that ten mile vicinity the farther you that ten mile vicinity the farther you get out of that the more pissy and get out of that the more pissy and cranky and scared and neurotic he gets cranky and scared and neurotic he gets so continues and this is very true I so continues and this is very true I can't deny any of it but so you know can't deny any of it but so you know like we met uh up off of 65 because it like we met uh up off of 65 because it was closest for us to be able to meet was closest for us to be able to meet because we live such a weird distance because we live such a weird distance away yeah and so the of all places lows away yeah and so the of all places lows who carries tons of salt parking lot it who carries tons of salt parking lot it has never been plowed never been salted has never been plowed never been salted it's just - all ice and snow sucks I'm it's just - all ice and snow sucks I'm sitting there waiting on Zach and I'm sitting there waiting on Zach and I'm already terrified about what waiting was already terrified about what waiting was you know Roger Scarponi got my scarf on you know Roger Scarponi got my scarf on I'm all set in there toasty warm and I I'm all set in there toasty warm and I see Zach pull and I'm like okay he's see Zach pull and I'm like okay he's here next thing I know I see a gigantic here next thing I know I see a gigantic black suburban coming at me whoa black suburban coming at me whoa fishtailing all over the parking lot fishtailing all over the parking lot just smiling that's right and I'm just a just smiling that's right and I'm just a shaker shaken that is when he took his shaker shaken that is when he took his ax and the rest of the trip was pretty ax and the rest of the trip was pretty good good oh so we went up to American pinball oh so we went up to American pinball those guys invited us up there yes very those guys invited us up there yes very brave of them to because they said why brave of them to because they said why don't you come up here we'd love to show don't you come up here we'd love to show you around you can pick up your machine you around you can pick up your machine while you're here except buying a while you're here except buying a Houdini yes and you can review the game Houdini yes and you can review the game and we said well slow your roll American and we said well slow your roll American pinball where that's awfully brave first pinball where that's awfully brave first off because you guys should know we off because you guys should know we don't hold back we don't [ __ ] and we don't hold back we don't [ __ ] and we were pretty adamant we said I said we were pretty adamant we said I said we might pain this thing and they were like might pain this thing and they were like well they were smart they're like number well they were smart they're like number one you're buying one so I know you're one you're buying one so I know you're gonna like it enough to buy it number gonna like it enough to buy it number two two Greg Knight [ __ ] on it but we're gonna Greg Knight [ __ ] on it but we're gonna take that risk we we think we're gonna take that risk we we think we're gonna stand behind our product here yeah stand behind our product here yeah again that was very ballsy of them and again that was very ballsy of them and everything to do but you know we told me everything to do but you know we told me said we don't really want to review it said we don't really want to review it here because we want we don't have more here because we want we don't have more time yeah yeah yes but you're not gonna time yeah yeah yes but you're not gonna bring you guys a review with no time no bring you guys a review with no time no no so yeah we were like yeah we'll hold no so yeah we were like yeah we'll hold off on that is as cool as that sounds off on that is as cool as that sounds but we've wanted to put more time on it but we've wanted to put more time on it brief this bolt it was ballsy yeah but brief this bolt it was ballsy yeah but again you know we were upfront again you know we were upfront so whatever turns out today and we're so whatever turns out today and we're not gonna go up there and sugarcoat not gonna go up there and sugarcoat anything either anything either no that's been fencer damn sure we no that's been fencer damn sure we didn't know we were even talking about didn't know we were even talking about in the way up or we were like what if we in the way up or we were like what if we go up there and we think the operation go up there and we think the operation is junk and we think the machines yes is junk and we think the machines yes and how do we present that in the nicest and how do we present that in the nicest possible way but the CEO tell the truth possible way but the CEO tell the truth still tell the truth they just be we still tell the truth they just be we just be awesome it's a rough thing all just be awesome it's a rough thing all right so we're gonna get into this but right so we're gonna get into this but we did something a little bit different we did something a little bit different something a little bit unique that I'm something a little bit unique that I'm really excited about yeah and I think we really excited about yeah and I think we up the ante a little bit up the ante a little bit yeah we're gonna call this this is a yeah we're gonna call this this is a traditional review but we've added a traditional review but we've added a deluxe overview yes and rules deluxe overview yes and rules explanation by who by another none other explanation by who by another none other than the designer himself Jill ball sir than the designer himself Jill ball sir he gives us an overview here in a minute he gives us an overview here in a minute and Josh Kugler yes he's the software and Josh Kugler yes he's the software guy in the coder so he's gonna go over guy in the coder so he's gonna go over the entirety of the rules so sit back the entirety of the rules so sit back relax you're gonna learn everything you relax you're gonna learn everything you need to know about Houdini then you're need to know about Houdini then you're gonna come back to Greg and I and we're gonna come back to Greg and I and we're gonna individually rate each section gonna individually rate each section including art shots and layout rules including art shots and layout rules toys innovation music call-outs theme toys innovation music call-outs theme enjoyability in an overall rating I enjoyability in an overall rating I can't believe after all this time you can't believe after all this time you still got to read what the categories still got to read what the categories are all right guys what's up this is are all right guys what's up this is Zach from straight down the middle of Zach from straight down the middle of pinball show you guys know this guy pinball show you guys know this guy don't you this is Joe Balcer don't you this is Joe Balcer hello designer extraordinaire to some of hello designer extraordinaire to some of our favorite machines ever made our favorite machines ever made South Park you did South Park love South South Park you did South Park love South Park you did South Park love South Park Wizard of Oz after you guys I'm the Park Wizard of Oz after you guys I'm the Wizard of Oz right now Apollo 13 right Wizard of Oz right now Apollo 13 right Simpsons pinball party I could kick I Simpsons pinball party I could kick I could keep going on are those some of could keep going on are those some of your favorites yes that your favorites yes that and now the newest game that he designed and now the newest game that he designed the design extraordinaire of American the design extraordinaire of American pin balls Houdini my very nice pin balls Houdini my very nice so what Joe is kind enough to do he's so what Joe is kind enough to do he's gonna walk us through we usually you gonna walk us through we usually you guys know I usually go through these guys know I usually go through these shots and lay out the different toys Max shots and lay out the different toys Max and stuff like that but I thought you and stuff like that but I thought you know what I'm kind of a [ __ ] why not know what I'm kind of a [ __ ] why not go to the expert here himself jail ball go to the expert here himself jail ball sir he's gonna walk us through so Joe sir he's gonna walk us through so Joe how's it going man nice to meet you how's it going man nice to meet you we've got a little bit of expo yes right we've got a little bit of expo yes right you're busy you're super busy you're busy you're super busy Larry talking with Larry yeah yeah it's Larry talking with Larry yeah yeah it's our pleasure so walk us through this man our pleasure so walk us through this man if we are looking at this machine all if we are looking at this machine all right I'm seeing a lot of stuff going on right I'm seeing a lot of stuff going on let's start from left to right and let's start from left to right and typical SDTM fashion first off the typical SDTM fashion first off the orbits on this man a plus a plus orbits on this man a plus a plus these are reminiscent to me of our boy these are reminiscent to me of our boy Greg here is a big sega man he loves Greg here is a big sega man he loves those sega games and it reminds me of those sega games and it reminds me of those wide-open nice smooth orbits on a those wide-open nice smooth orbits on a lot of your sega game so the orbit lot of your sega game so the orbit itself what made you go the way it did itself what made you go the way it did what what made you put the spinner on what what made you put the spinner on this side tell us a little bit do you this side tell us a little bit do you love spinners tell us a little bit about love spinners tell us a little bit about the orbits of this game layout wise we the orbits of this game layout wise we were kind of behind the eight ball back were kind of behind the eight ball back in November mm-hmm last year so we had in November mm-hmm last year so we had to get out of computer and come up with to get out of computer and come up with a layout that was gonna work for the a layout that was gonna work for the Houdini things yeah a couple of things Houdini things yeah a couple of things that I like to have in a game I do like that I like to have in a game I do like to have a long loop shot it's gonna move to have a long loop shot it's gonna move it into layout you know you're limited it into layout you know you're limited to you know 46 inch play field to cut to you know 46 inch play field to cut off 20 inches over that are standard off 20 inches over that are standard okay this all stays you know this this okay this all stays you know this this area you can only do so much with it area you can only do so much with it mm-hmm the longest shot on a pinball is mm-hmm the longest shot on a pinball is gonna be the loop shot so the ball is gonna be the loop shot so the ball is going to travel the farthest yeah give going to travel the farthest yeah give you them kind of most satisfaction just you them kind of most satisfaction just for watching a long loop shot those over for watching a long loop shot those over sound you know the opening shot that sound you know the opening shot that just come across in the targets it's just come across in the targets it's done hundreds of times you know I use it done hundreds of times you know I use it kind of when I can't I don't want to kind of when I can't I don't want to come up into the shooter Lane okay I come up into the shooter Lane okay I don't I don't have tap lanes on the game don't I don't have tap lanes on the game you to shoot from that's a good shin you to shoot from that's a good shin that is a good point that a lot of that is a good point that a lot of people forget about there's no stop people forget about there's no stop after all over and then this game so after all over and then this game so what is that enable for you though if what is that enable for you though if you get rid of those top rollovers well you get rid of those top rollovers well you get that chunk of real estate okay you get that chunk of real estate okay so you know this guy so what you guys so you know this guy so what you guys where they have rollovers or would you where they have rollovers or would you guys rather have an awesome theater yeah guys rather have an awesome theater yeah that's what we want all right that's what we want all right you know the crossover shots been used you know the crossover shots been used before when you have something like this before when you have something like this you can oh my gosh the AMA tree works you can oh my gosh the AMA tree works where you can get a little kickback how where you can get a little kickback how early on did I think about this this was early on did I think about this this was done I probably did this one or two done I probably did this one or two times in the past I think this was even times in the past I think this was even on South Park a shot that went up to on South Park a shot that went up to this area yeah and it's just nice too it this area yeah and it's just nice too it makes it a three lane there so that's makes it a three lane there so that's inner lanes your drain mature if you can inner lanes your drain mature if you can get it into these sideways doesn't have get it into these sideways doesn't have it very often but when it does you know it very often but when it does you know what's adjustable too so that's really what's adjustable too so that's really nice yeah you can open this out to be nice yeah you can open this out to be liberal oh is there actually so okay as liberal oh is there actually so okay as we're going from left to right those are we're going from left to right those are the or ice the or ice what alleys here well I like certainly what alleys here well I like certainly outside like to shoot through the pop-up outside like to shoot through the pop-up mm-hmm you know you'll see that on mm-hmm you know you'll see that on different designers and different guys different designers and different guys do it different ways or whatever but do it different ways or whatever but just shoot through the pops kind of just shoot through the pops kind of there's a lot more skill involved there's a lot more skill involved together there and on this particular together there and on this particular game the way layout was working you know game the way layout was working you know you have a shot through the pops to this you have a shot through the pops to this target here oh so so so so sorry target here oh so so so so sorry in the key lane but then you have a in the key lane but then you have a crossover shot that through the stage a crossover shot that through the stage a you know crossover go through the pipe you know crossover go through the pipe bumpers in this angle into the stage so bumpers in this angle into the stage so it's the first time I've ever been able it's the first time I've ever been able to you know to pastures with the to you know to pastures with the crisscross yeah yeah I like that crisscross yeah yeah I like that you know they and they work you gotta you know they and they work you gotta hit the shot right it's it's not a hit the shot right it's it's not a hundred percent yeah I mean you're gonna hundred percent yeah I mean you're gonna come in at different angles and catch come in at different angles and catch the catch the pop on board the catch the pop on board that's Pippa it'll stop it but you know that's Pippa it'll stop it but you know as a certain person I know I always said as a certain person I know I always said if the ball is wild so the bolt but when if the ball is wild so the bolt but when you make the shot it feels good and once you make the shot it feels good and once you figure out that there is a crossover you figure out that there is a crossover shot into the stage yeah it makes that shot into the stage yeah it makes that more of a feel good chef this thing more of a feel good chef this thing these pass throughs right here just feel these pass throughs right here just feel very signature to this game and I think very signature to this game and I think we'll go down this part right here is we'll go down this part right here is very much everybody's gonna know that's very much everybody's gonna know that's Houdini right there those two pass first Houdini right there those two pass first I find ya know stage I don't know on I find ya know stage I don't know on layouts over the years I don't think layouts over the years I don't think shouldn't do the pops in two directions shouldn't do the pops in two directions no it's pops - that's very neat there's no it's pops - that's very neat there's thousands of balls out there for me it's thousands of balls out there for me it's hard to say so let's transition from the hard to say so let's transition from the pop area and we're going to talk about pop area and we're going to talk about the toys here a minute well let's the toys here a minute well let's transition to this main this main stage transition to this main this main stage here right tell us what this one we here right tell us what this one we talked about Houdini was said you know talked about Houdini was said you know most of his illusions that price ate most of his illusions that price ate mostly he spent a lot of time on stage mostly he spent a lot of time on stage so we wanted to come up with an so we wanted to come up with an interactive stage we had a couple interactive stage we had a couple different ideas at first and it kind of different ideas at first and it kind of evolved okay hired in a mechanical guy evolved okay hired in a mechanical guy that I've worked with before gave him that I've worked with before gave him some real estate to work with wasn't some real estate to work with wasn't enough it never is enough real estate enough it never is enough real estate for mechanisms but we fit it in there for mechanisms but we fit it in there it's done with servos the banging on the it's done with servos the banging on the front of the stage it opens nope front of the stage it opens nope you shoot it to the stage there's a you shoot it to the stage there's a hidden ball in there we uh we could show hidden ball in there we uh we could show a ball close the stage open the stage a ball close the stage open the stage the ball is gone don't open this close the ball is gone don't open this close the stage open it again the ball is the stage open it again the ball is there mm-hmm there mm-hmm and the other thing it's a kind of a and the other thing it's a kind of a central spot for you know getting into central spot for you know getting into modes it's really integral to the game modes it's really integral to the game and it ties this into what we did with and it ties this into what we did with the back glass yeah so like you know by the back glass yeah so like you know by all came together because of the idea of all came together because of the idea of putting pulling the the display up putting pulling the the display up higher oh that's intrude building it higher oh that's intrude building it into the back glass so it kind of makes into the back glass so it kind of makes this guy come alive as much as when the this guy come alive as much as when the curtains open and close mm-hmm yes it curtains open and close mm-hmm yes it very much feels like a stage especially very much feels like a stage especially when it swings it's not square someone when it swings it's not square someone swings open it's on that arch it feels swings open it's on that arch it feels like a curtain and like you said the like a curtain and like you said the bowl is gone and now I'm I take it it bowl is gone and now I'm I take it it goes through subway right there's a goes through subway right there's a subway that drops down starting out here subway that drops down starting out here at the trunk it goes underneath it'll at the trunk it goes underneath it'll pick up the ball coming out of the stage pick up the ball coming out of the stage and also pick up the ball coming out of and also pick up the ball coming out of the magic shop the magic steps it's a the magic shop the magic steps it's a hidden shot yep hidden shot yep although I mean it's not hidden visually although I mean it's not hidden visually because you can see them but you can you because you can see them but you can you know it's not a direct shot that's right know it's not a direct shot that's right but from the players aspect you can take but from the players aspect you can take this left shot come off of this rubber this left shot come off of this rubber and go right in it and go right in it yeah that's what Johnson that's what I yeah that's what Johnson that's what I love about that shot in particular and love about that shot in particular and um in here you'll get it to go there you um in here you'll get it to go there you see you got 90s a lot of the 90s games see you got 90s a lot of the 90s games kind of had that and it's the same thing kind of had that and it's the same thing with the escape so the apne of escape with the escape so the apne of escape they're not shot from the flipper mm-hmm they're not shot from the flipper mm-hmm but you're gonna pick them up off of the but you're gonna pick them up off of the off of the pops okay the pops became off of the pops okay the pops became random we had a we had a post or two in random we had a we had a post or two in here to keep the ball more into the pops here to keep the ball more into the pops okay let's pull this and see how it okay let's pull this and see how it works and it opened up everything and works and it opened up everything and then I changed some angles in here so it then I changed some angles in here so it shot off the stage opened up and shad shot off the stage opened up and shad fell into this hole more often so we got fell into this hole more often so we got to make this this hole more interactive to make this this hole more interactive with the player even though you can't with the player even though you can't physically shoot break well I think it physically shoot break well I think it adds to the thing too because the theme adds to the thing too because the theme is magic yeah and sometimes things is magic yeah and sometimes things happen magically whether it's the happen magically whether it's the magnets that are magically forcing the magnets that are magically forcing the ball to go in there she was very cool ball to go in there she was very cool about this because you could drop it in about this because you could drop it in here left side a ball could come on this here left side a ball could come on this side no Josh can load both sides as a side no Josh can load both sides as a three ball mech under the play field in three ball mech under the play field in the trough at a three ball back here so the trough at a three ball back here so staging yeah you can stage you could staging yeah you can stage you could shoot into the right side and come out shoot into the right side and come out the left side or vice versa or you might the left side or vice versa or you might shoot into this side and wallah picking shoot into this side and wallah picking the play from the trough and until Josh the play from the trough and until Josh gets gets we're blahs our yeah he could start we're blahs our yeah he could start playing where he's really from during playing where he's really from during gameplay now let's go let's move even gameplay now let's go let's move even further right we got the ring further right we got the ring alright everybody loves ramps in pinball alright everybody loves ramps in pinball what made you think let's go this ramp what made you think let's go this ramp let's give it an exit here but we need let's give it an exit here but we need to go in wire form right here needs to to go in wire form right here needs to go in wire form right here needs to wave around rather than just hug in this wave around rather than just hug in this side did you have a chair this game I side did you have a chair this game I kind of flipped you know you're kind of kind of flipped you know you're kind of flipped you know you're kind of flipping or a ramp normally as that's flipping or a ramp normally as that's right exactly right right exactly right exactly right what's takes up this smaller Lane mm-hmm what's takes up this smaller Lane mm-hmm we came through at first this was we came through at first this was plastic I remember playing them and you plastic I remember playing them and you know after a lot of important just you know after a lot of important just you know we take input from people some know we take input from people some things we can work with some things we things we can work with some things we can work with some things we know we kind of table it but it was easy know we kind of table it but it was easy enough just to hack in here and put enough just to hack in here and put another wire rampant and it just opened another wire rampant and it just opened up this area more well symmetrically up this area more well symmetrically from an art perspective to having to from an art perspective to having to wire forms of those flippers just know wire forms of those flippers just know it looks and feels you know yourself it looks and feels you know yourself when these things start to yellow and when these things start to yellow and they get old flame polish and you get they get old flame polish and you get this going out here total American this going out here total American pinball buy another ring that's right pinball buy another ring that's right that's right so uh as we're moving from that's right so uh as we're moving from left to right we've got with the shot left to right we've got with the shot that everyone talks about the pinball that everyone talks about the pinball community talks about this shot all the community talks about this shot all the time and I can't tell you man time and I can't tell you man I think they're kind of full of crap I think they're kind of full of crap this shot is harder to me sometimes than this shot is harder to me sometimes than that shot yeah that's that's fine what that shot yeah that's that's fine what is that s'more that feels worse that's is that s'more that feels worse that's right we're right where I'm accustomed right we're right where I'm accustomed to it's small but it's not unmei Keable to it's small but it's not unmei Keable and once you start to hit that spot you and once you start to hit that spot you could make this all day I love I love could make this all day I love I love the I open it up a little bit we tweaked the I open it up a little bit we tweaked it from show to show we got it you know it from show to show we got it you know watched people play watch some watched people play watch some frustration but then watched another guy frustration but then watched another guy come up next and shoot it three times as come up next and shoot it three times as row and the guy did missed it 15 times row and the guy did missed it 15 times there shaking his head so well it's got there shaking his head so well it's got to be a payoff too because you're to be a payoff too because you're getting a theatrical moment there it's getting a theatrical moment there it's it's going into this then it's jumping it's going into this then it's jumping up the buck and it's going over to the up the buck and it's going over to the milk and then it's got the catapult milk and then it's got the catapult Mitch so I think it's got to be a payoff Mitch so I think it's got to be a payoff I like how tight do you want to hit that I like how tight do you want to hit that dang thing 20 times a game and that's a dang thing 20 times a game and that's a good feed shot like you said to start good feed shot like you said to start every every or the catapult shot and you and you get or the catapult shot and you and you get it around we got a pinup here that stops it around we got a pinup here that stops oh I forgot so yeah three bottle odor oh I forgot so yeah three bottle odor multiple yeah so you're lacking you lack multiple yeah so you're lacking you lack it and loading this this guy there's it and loading this this guy there's three ball uh-huh or you're shooting it three ball uh-huh or you're shooting it into the [ __ ] which is no like this is into the [ __ ] which is no like this is an accident an accident now before we then we go down to the now before we then we go down to the scoop here what's the scoop responsible scoop here what's the scoop responsible for what what are we doing there are we for what what are we doing there are we starting start seance there of craps I starting start seance there of craps I mean this scoop is the end there's a mean this scoop is the end there's a Michigan ms-dos subway and the other Michigan ms-dos subway and the other trials work feeds do it feeds to a trials work feeds do it feeds to a superbug here and fires out okay it superbug here and fires out okay it starts your seance mode it starts your starts your seance mode it starts your seance mode it starts your what else starts up in here it's also what else starts up in here it's also the missions extra bones are all done the missions extra bones are all done through here so it's a crucial scoop through here so it's a crucial scoop it's not just it's not just a scoop that it's not just it's not just a scoop that sits right here I mean it's like you sits right here I mean it's like you said the exes dial it down through said the exes dial it down through subway yeah it's a sweet spot once you subway yeah it's a sweet spot once you get to it it's out on the other the get to it it's out on the other the flippers not too far out mmm-hmm and flippers not too far out mmm-hmm and once you get that shadow I'm really once you get that shadow I'm really making all day okay now before we go making all day okay now before we go down to this region here talk to us down to this region here talk to us about the first ever in pinball these about the first ever in pinball these little thin stand up targets how did little thin stand up targets how did that come about his eyes was the first that come about his eyes was the first ever in ball but yeah all we did was ever in ball but yeah all we did was take the half inch targets and mill them take the half inch targets and mill them down an eighth of an or a sixteenth on down an eighth of an or a sixteenth on the side uh-huh that would that came to the side uh-huh that would that came to be when this this shot at shows he men be when this this shot at shows he men actually this shot to these two shots actually this shot to these two shots were people thought they were tighter were people thought they were tighter than they need to be and it's only 1/16 than they need to be and it's only 1/16 of an inch more yeah well that got a of an inch more yeah well that got a shot like this I pick up an eighth of an shot like this I pick up an eighth of an inch on this with you're gonna have a inch on this with you're gonna have a shot of an eighth of an inch on this shot of an eighth of an inch on this with just because this is a sixteenth with just because this is a sixteenth shorter on both sides and the only row shorter on both sides and the only row all we did was take the target we had a all we did was take the target we had a milled down to the size of the blade milled down to the size of the blade okay okay you can't go any smaller 3/8 of an ass you can't go any smaller 3/8 of an ass so I mean that's all we did with this so I mean that's all we did with this and then the target was retooled well I and then the target was retooled well I ever go back to the 1/2 inch targets ever go back to the 1/2 inch targets probably not oh really probably not oh really that's interests lie when I can that's interests lie when I can with this and it it serves the same with this and it it serves the same purpose and you know what I like about purpose and you know what I like about these better than anything else they're these better than anything else they're better in a post the post doesn't get better in a post the post doesn't get any points this doesn't give you any points this doesn't give you anything a lot of people told me that anything a lot of people told me that you like implementation of targets more you like implementation of targets more than you do posts how like shooting that than you do posts how like shooting that pose know what it does if you look at pose know what it does if you look at this particular game you know this this particular game you know this particular game you know this layout you have one - mm-hmm I got two layout you have one - mm-hmm I got two posts I can shoot it yeah - though - you posts I can shoot it yeah - though - you know there's a lot of layouts and know there's a lot of layouts and anything else our own fault I mean anything else our own fault I mean anything else you're gonna catch a anything else you're gonna catch a target yes and you're going towards say target yes and you're going towards say on sir yes they did the excitement of on sir yes they did the excitement of magnets and everything let's talk about magnets and everything let's talk about the magnets did you help decide hey we the magnets did you help decide hey we need magnets in this game we need three need magnets in this game we need three magnets we need to position them times magnets we need to position them times about putting magnets in and then when about putting magnets in and then when Jeff had I think we worked with Jeff Jeff had I think we worked with Jeff had I think we worked with Jeff - once we put the magnets in off of - once we put the magnets in off of these targets the magic targets we put these targets the magic targets we put him out in front that's what Jeff would him out in front that's what Jeff would develop in the arc we talked about develop in the arc we talked about putting it all together so it all it all putting it all together so it all it all kind of drew drew itself together we kind of drew drew itself together we were looking at you know hit a target were looking at you know hit a target and activate here your magnets and and activate here your magnets and activate here your magnets and that's what we're doing now and hadn't that's what we're doing now and hadn't perfected the way that's working is but perfected the way that's working is but I miss game you know you know working I miss game you know you know working with magnets it's you Paul see me hit it with magnets it's you Paul see me hit it you pulse it you don't know what it's you pulse it you don't know what it's gonna do sure there are if you do a gonna do sure there are if you do a certain thing in code you can catch a certain thing in code you can catch a ball let it drop and shoot it up in the ball let it drop and shoot it up in the way that's been done we've seen it it's way that's been done we've seen it it's just random you know it does some crazy just random you know it does some crazy stuff that you know well what I like stuff that you know well what I like about this is instead of just a lot of about this is instead of just a lot of times we'll see magnets implemented times we'll see magnets implemented during multi bolts been done atoms how during multi bolts been done atoms how it's been done but what we got here is it's been done but what we got here is we've got targets they actually hit we've got targets they actually hit middle I like that yeah you'll see him middle I like that yeah you'll see him spin around and shoot up into this who spin around and shoot up into this who knows it's been around knows it's been around and make an incident Malcolm multiplier and make an incident Malcolm multiplier shot does some crazy things that you shot does some crazy things that you can't even duplicate well yeah when it can't even duplicate well yeah when it happens you know did you see that it's happens you know did you see that it's gonna replay going you're not gonna see gonna replay going you're not gonna see it again what about the milk can shot it again what about the milk can shot now this is an interesting shot this one now this is an interesting shot this one is the one that makes me mad y'all not is the one that makes me mad y'all not gonna lie this is the one that crawls me gonna lie this is the one that crawls me up a little bit it is a tough job but up a little bit it is a tough job but what I do like about it is it's smooth a what I do like about it is it's smooth a lot of these a lot of these little lot of these a lot of these little orbits here and little rapper Rams orbits here and little rapper Rams they're clunky this one it's so smooth they're clunky this one it's so smooth that once I notice it's in there it's that once I notice it's in there it's already at the flipper I like that I already at the flipper I like that I like that what made you want to like that what made you want to implement that what's up yeah without implement that what's up yeah without just having targets there that's just having targets there that's whatever so you know we made that shot whatever so you know we made that shot work it's a short little shot but it work it's a short little shot but it feeds this time and if you do shoot this feeds this time and if you do shoot this and it's somehow bounces around and and and it's somehow bounces around and and it's somehow bounces around and and drops in the outline we are gracious drops in the outline we are gracious enough to give you the ball tip oh so enough to give you the ball tip oh so you give a couple second little ball so you give a couple second little ball so you know we know that that's what just you know we know that that's what just happened so we'll get you a ball see happened so we'll get you a ball see about that my uh my pinball partner Greg about that my uh my pinball partner Greg appreciates that because he he needs all appreciates that because he he needs all the balls saves okay all right so I do the balls saves okay all right so I do like that in orbit so everybody wants to like that in orbit so everybody wants to know this is the catapult shot yeah know this is the catapult shot yeah let's talk about this catapult what's let's talk about this catapult what's the size of this thing the size of this thing what's the drones like 22 inches 22 what's the drones like 22 inches 22 inches we're not we're not tossing it inches we're not we're not tossing it are we no no this the the inside lane are we no no this the the inside lane here feeds the vac the vertical shoot it here feeds the vac the vertical shoot it up into what we're calling the catapult up into what we're calling the catapult okay the catapult then creates the okay the catapult then creates the spectacle where you even see the spectacle where you even see the spotlight go off and it's and it's spotlight go off and it's and it's shaken and all of a sudden in the blink shaken and all of a sudden in the blink of an eye the crate opens up the of an eye the crate opens up the catapult Chuck's the ball 22 inches catapult Chuck's the ball 22 inches midair without hitting the glass without midair without hitting the glass without hitting anything else and it goes hitting anything else and it goes perfectly into the trunk yes it does hot perfectly into the trunk yes it does hot damn where did that come from what the damn where did that come from what the hell is that you know I've said it hell is that you know I've said it before with the layout that I did with before with the layout that I did with the using the catapults we had a couple the using the catapults we had a couple of or like a white wood that was out of or like a white wood that was out they're really and with a catapult on it they're really and with a catapult on it and it wasn't was not in a layout that and it wasn't was not in a layout that was gonna work for anything yeah but I was gonna work for anything yeah but I fired it up and was just letting it fire fired it up and was just letting it fire and I noticed that you know it was and I noticed that you know it was hidden within half an inch oh so no hidden within half an inch oh so no better than 3/4 of an inch except that better than 3/4 of an inch except that the power went weird or whatever but the power went weird or whatever but yeah it looked like it was close enough yeah it looked like it was close enough that we could capture that you thought that we could capture that you thought we could work with this and when I did a we could work with this and when I did a Space Jam there was a jump ramp that Space Jam there was a jump ramp that went to the basket back here oh and it went to the basket back here oh and it was pretty much a hundred percent was pretty much a hundred percent because you shot that ramp at least with because you shot that ramp at least with the right velocity mm-hmm and the magnet the right velocity mm-hmm and the magnet would catch a cold and drive through the would catch a cold and drive through the basket every time the problem with that basket every time the problem with that is you beat to death this background is you beat to death this background plastic piece but if you get to US Space plastic piece but if you get to US Space Jam that's still out there playing those Jam that's still out there playing those that basket is beat to death no matter that basket is beat to death no matter what so that was not an option I didn't what so that was not an option I didn't want to do that okay even though I know want to do that okay even though I know it worked it worked there's no way to cushion it most there's no way to cushion it most collectors appreciate that take a look collectors appreciate that take a look at it up against something a couple of at it up against something a couple of over yes over yes so when we came up with the idea we so when we came up with the idea we thought about having certain elements in thought about having certain elements in Houdini one of them was a steamer trunk Houdini one of them was a steamer trunk you could pick it up in the back glass you could pick it up in the back glass this was all magic I talked about for this was all magic I talked about for that era that he was in the Steampunk that era that he was in the Steampunk that we did to it and kind of made it that we did to it and kind of made it our own I just laid it in there you know our own I just laid it in there you know we put the white wood together there was we put the white wood together there was no backup plan so to tell you the truth no backup plan so to tell you the truth what would this catapult here and then I what would this catapult here and then I thought why not let's throw another ones thought why not let's throw another ones here if we render one let's just to here if we render one let's just to throw it across the front a trunk into throw it across the front a trunk into another ramp and it just worked out in another ramp and it just worked out in the layout yeah geometrically worked out the layout yeah geometrically worked out and and I'm only working at a 2d AutoCAD but I I'm only working at a 2d AutoCAD but I was able to I was able to do a was able to I was able to do a trajectory of what I thought would work trajectory of what I thought would work you know breaking me kind of rigging the you know breaking me kind of rigging the lasso and we kind of roll the dice we lasso and we kind of roll the dice we worked a couple of really long days worked a couple of really long days putting together game the work and test putting together game the work and test this and I was out of the office it was this and I was out of the office it was late I was I the office and Josh and Jim late I was I the office and Josh and Jim and a couple other guys whatever we're and a couple other guys whatever we're here finally got that to fire and sent here finally got that to fire and sent me a video and it wasn't working at all me a video and it wasn't working at all and you know the ramp this ramp had this and you know the ramp this ramp had this type of a lift uh-huh you know all the type of a lift uh-huh you know all the way around kind of standard and the ball way around kind of standard and the ball was smack to the wall it was not making was smack to the wall it was not making it and they show me this video and I'm it and they show me this video and I'm like oh boy we have no backup laying on like oh boy we have no backup laying on yeah let's get in there and see what I yeah let's get in there and see what I got to do it we started to trim this got to do it we started to trim this away started watch the trajectory hmm away started watch the trajectory hmm once we got this red trim it hit messing once we got this red trim it hit messing with Paul's the first one went in and it with Paul's the first one went in and it was like we just won the world was like we just won the world yes by Jaron to you that's a winning yes by Jaron to you that's a winning shot right there once the timing was shot right there once the timing was right and this popped open and that was right and this popped open and that was through the air it's making it and now through the air it's making it and now we're at 95 percent awesome we're at 95 percent awesome hopefully that gets better once it's set hopefully that gets better once it's set regardless it's hard to find a message regardless it's hard to find a message that consistent right this is pinball that consistent right this is pinball this is coils this is math all kinds of this is coils this is math all kinds of random firing that so that's good even random firing that so that's good even just simple geometry and physics says if just simple geometry and physics says if you want to go 22 inches on something I you want to go 22 inches on something I have a hell of an arch on it you don't have a hell of an arch on it you don't have no work let us really thought about have no work let us really thought about how big this shot would be yeah you know how big this shot would be yeah you know everything we were all focused on what everything we were all focused on what the stage might be no this is just a the stage might be no this is just a simple one coil mech they're just so simple one coil mech they're just so close it closes a box together kind of close it closes a box together kind of trying to shadow that thanks there yeah trying to shadow that thanks there yeah and it shocks people when it happens and and it shocks people when it happens and it shocks people when it happens and that's always let me talk about I've that's always let me talk about I've seen it at least 50 times and it's still seen it at least 50 times and it's still shocked yeah yeah yeah bullet I'll play shocked yeah yeah yeah bullet I'll play the game and go there's a lot of variables that have to be write to me that happen well you said be write to me that happen well you said we talked about you're telling me as I we talked about you're telling me as I set it up in the home different power set it up in the home different power shorts and stuff shorts and stuff new owners or new locations I need to new owners or new locations I need to adjust that a little bit but once adjust that a little bit but once properly adjusted yeah pretty accurate properly adjusted yeah pretty accurate yeah very very accurate I like that so yeah very very accurate I like that so as we're looking at toys now so that's as we're looking at toys now so that's the basic layout here guys but as we're the basic layout here guys but as we're looking at toys man where do we begin looking at toys man where do we begin let's start with these I love these they let's start with these I love these they got to change you got the custom molded got to change you got the custom molded gears on top of the pop bumpers there gears on top of the pop bumpers there you've got not just any lock you guys you've got not just any lock you guys could have formed just yeah generic could have formed just yeah generic Clark these are three unique nice locks Clark these are three unique nice locks with chains so who did who did some of with chains so who did who did some of the toys on this right this all has to the toys on this right this all has to do with Matt Reister oh yeah we like do with Matt Reister oh yeah we like Matt's work from back Ella creation for Matt's work from back Ella creation for several years now and we set that one up several years now and we set that one up right yeah we're devising that other right yeah we're devising that other sculpting on their table habit he did sculpting on their table habit he did all the sculpting forever all the sculpting forever and that's when I got to know Matt and and that's when I got to know Matt and that's when I got to know Matt and got to be friends with them understand got to be friends with them understand he understands what I'm doing I he understands what I'm doing I understand what he does and we kind of understand what he does and we kind of worked together well what we see for worked together well what we see for this thing we were just in a meeting this thing we were just in a meeting throwing stuff around and you know came throwing stuff around and you know came up with we were working with the locks up with we were working with the locks in the artwork okay so it's time to take in the artwork okay so it's time to take those locks and put them on the game those locks and put them on the game somewhere you know popovers on a game somewhere you know popovers on a game you have free movement yep either this you have free movement yep either this is solid and the ring pops up and down is solid and the ring pops up and down yeah so once then then it just kind of yeah so once then then it just kind of evolved between the art that was coming evolved between the art that was coming from Jeff and what he was doing down from Jeff and what he was doing down here with the locks and if you notice here with the locks and if you notice these three locks are three locks these three locks are three locks they're on again but that's was cool they're on again but that's was cool yeah it's that integration again and the yeah it's that integration again and the and they steampunk aspect of it is where and they steampunk aspect of it is where the gearing comes in because steampunk the gearing comes in because steampunk is all about gauges inquiries is all about gauges inquiries chains wore out kind of Industrialists chains wore out kind of Industrialists real feel so yeah so and then the chains real feel so yeah so and then the chains were just you know in the middle of the were just you know in the middle of the night I was just perusing than that and night I was just perusing than that and looking for plastic chain ran into a looking for plastic chain ran into a place that had a couple different sizes place that had a couple different sizes order custom brought them in and they order custom brought them in and they popped right out yeah you know to easy popped right out yeah you know to easy we had some chrome I think I remembered we had some chrome I think I remembered at one of the shows yeah they were on at one of the shows yeah they were on the earlier show okay and then we just the earlier show okay and then we just found that you know to match the art found that you know to match the art better the solid chrome that was more better the solid chrome that was more like a wire ramps really didn't took like a wire ramps really didn't took away you know it took away from the aged away you know it took away from the aged to this so what I like about this a lot to this so what I like about this a lot of people think as the game is playing of people think as the game is playing that these are metal chains because of that these are metal chains because of the sound implementation when josh has the sound implementation when josh has got in there but no they're they're got in there but no they're they're durable they're not gonna get plastic durable they're not gonna get plastic but they look so so living space here so but they look so so living space here so it's are another piece of - OH details it's are another piece of - OH details among this game are just insane so we among this game are just insane so we have free moving pop bumpers I like that have free moving pop bumpers I like that this mech we've kind of talked about this mech we've kind of talked about tell me a little bit about the so we tell me a little bit about the so we talked about the stage but what made you talked about the stage but what made you say you know what stage alone we want a say you know what stage alone we want a screen right here right and I really had screen right here right and I really had we had this screen turn 90 degrees going we had this screen turn 90 degrees going up and I remember that yeah which I was up and I remember that yeah which I was fine with that too but this so much I fine with that too but this so much I kind of threw expediency we had that kind of threw expediency we had that small window to get it out and you know small window to get it out and you know there was a couple of things behind it there was a couple of things behind it why we turned it 90 degrees to start out why we turned it 90 degrees to start out with I won't get into those details with I won't get into those details right now but this was the way it should right now but this was the way it should have been because being a marquee it have been because being a marquee it works best for the time you know for works best for the time you know for this being a theater yeah so you know this being a theater yeah so you know some of the old banners that were out or some of the old banners that were out or you'll see they're they're long and then you'll see they're they're long and then that was working for us but once we made that was working for us but once we made this change in everybody bought it so this change in everybody bought it so yeah that's that was kind of a way to go yeah that's that was kind of a way to go you know to put the running marquee you know to put the running marquee lights in the end of monitor and just lights in the end of monitor and just make it come alive that way I just they make it come alive that way I just they just work better than we were able to just work better than we were able to fit better better things fit better better things she's very cool the other toys we have she's very cool the other toys we have is just a sculpted milk cane yeah is just a sculpted milk cane yeah we've got the sculpted she's actually a we've got the sculpted she's actually a laser cut wood I know it's actually a laser cut wood I know it's actually a lot yeah this feels lot yeah this feels oh yeah it's a laser cut plant Chet oh yeah it's a laser cut plant Chet plant chip there in the word I hear her plant chip there in the word I hear her saying that at all the time the paint saying that at all the time the paint chips okay what does this indicate what chips okay what does this indicate what are we doing with the spirit are we doing with the spirit well the dollars all works with a seance well the dollars all works with a seance letters so other Stan's letters are the letters so other Stan's letters are the mine jets and you're shooting those in mine jets and you're shooting those in flames there's no come alive for you to flames there's no come alive for you to shoot this shot very good and then you shoot this shot very good and then you guys thought we need some spotlights guys thought we need some spotlights light up this game why don't we just do light up this game why don't we just do those reflective cones in there no no we those reflective cones in there no no we need to make this look very Houdini need to make this look very Houdini esque so you sculpt the theater lights esque so you sculpt the theater lights those look like they fit in the game those look like they fit in the game like they're supposed to be there if you like they're supposed to be there if you look at the art these actually the 3d of look at the art these actually the 3d of this lamp came from what was in the art this lamp came from what was in the art photo called the plastic back there you photo called the plastic back there you look at once you guys get to the game look at once you guys get to the game yeah and you buy one and you play that's yeah and you buy one and you play that's right um it's in the art here so Matt right um it's in the art here so Matt again I said Matt let's turn this into again I said Matt let's turn this into theater lights for the game mm-hmm we theater lights for the game mm-hmm we had four areas that we thought were a had four areas that we thought were a little dark obviously in front of here little dark obviously in front of here we wanted to pop more light back here in we wanted to pop more light back here in this whole area okay we we changed the this whole area okay we we changed the art to lighten up the background and art to lighten up the background and everything with Houdini here but it everything with Houdini here but it needed more light I had four of these on needed more light I had four of these on the game but these are kind of big and the game but these are kind of big and once you put that out here that just got once you put that out here that just got Mandy that's way too discreet though Mandy that's way too discreet though this yeah you didn't see it and here you this yeah you didn't see it and here you know you're under a ramp and everything know you're under a ramp and everything so we just took the standard lamps and so we just took the standard lamps and well you still even hello Dean - yeah well you still even hello Dean - yeah it's that fine detail in here doing that it's that fine detail in here doing that I can really appreciate and the reason I can really appreciate and the reason that I bought this very one right here that I bought this very one right here last thing before we go a scream now last thing before we go a scream now this is this this would be your third this is this this would be your third screen LCD screen that you've worked on screen LCD screen that you've worked on in pinball yeah cuz we you know jjp when in pinball yeah cuz we you know jjp when we did Wizard of Oz that was one of the we did Wizard of Oz that was one of the game changes we wanted game changes we wanted Kosovo tell you the LED screen okay and Kosovo tell you the LED screen okay and I was able to fit a 20 on the standard I was able to fit a 20 on the standard backbox whether you're able to monitor backbox whether you're able to monitor in there and it takes up you know most in there and it takes up you know most here that's alright but when you use it here that's alright but when you use it right and and I do believe they use it right and and I do believe they use it right you could fill that up with some right you could fill that up with some beautiful stuff okay I think it's about beautiful stuff okay I think it's about coming here I want I didn't want to go coming here I want I didn't want to go with that size I wanted to go smaller with that size I wanted to go smaller this is a 15.6 so you know you'll see this is a 15.6 so you know you'll see this size down lower you know in a panel this size down lower you know in a panel the whole nine yards but that kind of the whole nine yards but that kind of takes up once you move this down and takes up once you move this down and make a panel then your art areas a level make a panel then your art areas a level or two so to to slide it up and make it or two so to to slide it up and make it part of a stage was just the absolute part of a stage was just the absolute way what I love about this is I can way what I love about this is I can confidently say this is one of the most confidently say this is one of the most beautiful bad glasses in pinball and beautiful bad glasses in pinball and it's an LCD monitor integration - that's it's an LCD monitor integration - that's hard to say hard to say anytime you put an LCD screen in there anytime you put an LCD screen in there like you said it takes away so much of like you said it takes away so much of the art but this incorporates the art the art but this incorporates the art but this incorporates the art into it are we hiding a bunch of speakers in here yeah all your sound is in the head here yeah all your sound is in the head we don't have a bass speaker in the we don't have a bass speaker in the cabinet Oh kind of felt that uh you know cabinet Oh kind of felt that uh you know you're losing a lot of that mm-hmm you're losing a lot of that mm-hmm so we wanted to pop everything up here so we wanted to pop everything up here to throw it at the player miss Lisa for to throw it at the player miss Lisa for the for the shape on the sides I mean the for the shape on the sides I mean you can go back into that 80s or 90s and you can go back into that 80s or 90s and we messed around with the side panel we messed around with the side panel somewhat and then to get more into a somewhat and then to get more into a saving money saving thing then you just saving money saving thing then you just you just square it off and make it soon you just square it off and make it soon yep stay that way for a long time the yep stay that way for a long time the thing that I was interested in doing thing that I was interested in doing here is we found these chase lights that here is we found these chase lights that go in said Timo I read the interview on go in said Timo I read the interview on this week and pinball yeah and we tried this week and pinball yeah and we tried it here and I really liked the look of it here and I really liked the look of it it you know if I put a hundred pinball you know if I put a hundred pinball machines out on the street and let them machines out on the street and let them all up this one would ask instead of all up this one would ask instead of this so that was kind of our initial this so that was kind of our initial idea to do it we didn't want to pop all idea to do it we didn't want to pop all kinds of colors like you're seeing here kinds of colors like you're seeing here look at more you know my ideal is more look at more you know my ideal is more for everybody slay my employees that is for everybody slay my employees that is just kind of always running mmm and then just kind of always running mmm and then you could use color schemes and if you you could use color schemes and if you could use color schemes and if you got a shot on the right you might be got a shot on the right you might be able to totally right and get able to totally right and get interactive with it yeah you know we had interactive with it yeah you know we had a small window to work with and it just a small window to work with and it just ultimately didn't get in there and for ultimately didn't get in there and for the cost to doing it well we do it the cost to doing it well we do it someday you know I hope to say that we I someday you know I hope to say that we I don't know yeah nothing you're pushing don't know yeah nothing you're pushing right here trying to get machines out right here trying to get machines out but I wanted to do something as a but I wanted to do something as a startup that was different startup that was different yeah yeah that people would recognize yeah yeah that people would recognize it's not stand out and then everything's it's not stand out and then everything's premium on this one last thing yeah premium on this one last thing yeah we're relieved that I've got to ask a we're relieved that I've got to ask a strangest thing in the world I was strangest thing in the world I was supposed to ask about this because I supposed to ask about this because I asked there's this monkey here so asked there's this monkey here so strange and it's got a bandage right on strange and it's got a bandage right on his well his crotch what what the hell his well his crotch what what the hell is that well I don't want to get into is that well I don't want to get into details and give you guys some details details and give you guys some details and give you guys some details about a monkey crushes today go ahead about a monkey crushes today go ahead and Google that Google what eat what do and Google that Google what eat what do you do me into junky balls look okay you do me into junky balls look okay we're gonna monkey balls balls from and we're gonna monkey balls balls from and then you're gonna be put on the list so then you're gonna be put on the list so there's a reason behind there's a reason there's a reason behind there's a reason behind there's a reason but alright there's a reason that but alright there's a reason that Houdini is tied to this okay he finds Houdini is tied to this okay he finds his way over here J he's there's monkeys his way over here J he's there's monkeys pushing the ball into the catapult I see pushing the ball into the catapult I see here we have blades for the game also I here we have blades for the game also I will be one of the first buyers of those will be one of the first buyers of those blades just kind of become our little blades just kind of become our little mascot for the games I love it mascot for the games I love it anything else that I missed that you anything else that I missed that you think would be important for us to know think would be important for us to know about American pin balls Houdini about American pin balls Houdini it's you know a lot of people put a lot it's you know a lot of people put a lot of effort into this in a short amount of of effort into this in a short amount of effort into this in a short amount of time and yesterday you know when you let time and yesterday you know when you let people work and you're not restrained people work and you're not restrained and people know what they need to do and and people know what they need to do and people know what they need to do and how they need to get there that's what how they need to get there that's what made this happen made this happen you know it's you can sit around if this you know it's you can sit around if this with any other company at that point you with any other company at that point you could sit around and we could change and could sit around and we could change and tweak the whole word of the pinball tweak the whole word of the pinball industry and tweak this thing for industry and tweak this thing for another year before nobody did machines another year before nobody did machines but you know we got lucky I spent extra but you know we got lucky I spent extra time I don't know if it's extra time time I don't know if it's extra time I don't know if it's extra time we're just really focused on the layout we're just really focused on the layout there isn't a lot of changes from the there isn't a lot of changes from the original pencil or not pencil with the original pencil or not pencil with the original line line and circle drawing it original line line and circle drawing it hasn't changed that flat rail is the hasn't changed that flat rail is the same flat rail from day one and most of same flat rail from day one and most of these are you know this area I opened up these are you know this area I opened up a little bit so we may have lost them at a little bit so we may have lost them at rail and put a ball guide in and open it rail and put a ball guide in and open it up much no normal personal mechanically up much no normal personal mechanically this is just we haven't had we didn't do this is just we haven't had we didn't do a lot of changes and there weren't parts a lot of changes and there weren't parts of it that we said that's not working of it that we said that's not working mm-hmm we gotta fix that and then you mm-hmm we gotta fix that and then you add another month add another month yeah or another Jubilee or whatever and yeah or another Jubilee or whatever and then you don't know how well it's gonna then you don't know how well it's gonna shoot because we really don't have a lab shoot because we really don't have a lab to even build another Whitewood at the to even build another Whitewood at the time good turn and there's a matter of time good turn and there's a matter of fact that enough Josh brought it up or fact that enough Josh brought it up or whatever but we skipped the white one whatever but we skipped the white one even build a wetland so and that's just even build a wetland so and that's just insane to think yeah they might well insane to think yeah they might well ever pinball development has a white one ever pinball development has a white one yeah we had a white wooden all we did yeah we had a white wooden all we did was used it for form and fit no make was used it for form and fit no make sure the blog guides fit the flat rails sure the blog guides fit the flat rails fit the plastics were right whatever but fit the plastics were right whatever but it never got billed wired and played so it never got billed wired and played so I could say that's a first I could say that's a first oh yeah once you came to you just miss oh yeah once you came to you just miss matter but what we said let's just skip matter but what we said let's just skip it we don't have time we've gotta get it we don't have time we've gotta get the Texas and you know we friended and the Texas and you know we friended and we went and it we went and it and so you know and it's hard you know and so you know and it's hard you know getting that experience and guys with getting that experience and guys with enough experience to pull this off that enough experience to pull this off that weren't hired and working full-time for weren't hired and working full-time for the other guys mmm the other guys mmm I don't know how we got there with not I don't know how we got there with not only vision not only to get there you only vision not only to get there you got there in the most excellent way in got there in the most excellent way in my opinion possible which is why I'm the my opinion possible which is why I'm the new happy owner of this so this is Joe new happy owner of this so this is Joe Balcer he calls it luck I call it a lot Balzer he calls it luck I call it a lot of experience and some damn good skill of experience and some damn good skill this is straight down the middle of this is straight down the middle of pinball show with Zach and Joe Balcer pinball show with Zach and Joe Balcer thanks again Joe thank you appreciate it thanks again Joe thank you appreciate it man enjoy your game hey what's going on man enjoy your game hey what's going on guys this is Zach from straight down the guys this is Zach from straight down the middle of pinball show this is Josh middle of pinball show this is Josh Kugler we're here at American pinball Kugler we're here at American pinball and what he's gonna do is such a nice and what he's gonna do is such a nice guy he's the coder guy he's the coder I guess the coder is we're gonna call I guess the coder is we're gonna call yourself of Houdini yourself of Houdini sure software design coder sure all sure software design coder sure all those are good so he's gonna go through those are good so he's gonna go through kind of basic codes and gameplay on this kind of basic codes and gameplay on this if you went through the entire rule set if you went through the entire rule set I think we'd be here for a long time I think we'd be here for a long time probably that's one of the things that probably that's one of the things that makes this game so distinct and so makes this game so distinct and so unique beautiful and we'll talk about unique beautiful and we'll talk about later Greg and I will review the code later Greg and I will review the code but for now what I'm looking for Josh if but for now what I'm looking for Josh if somebody's walking up to Houdini so if somebody's walking up to Houdini so if we're doing like a Houdini 101 what do we're doing like a Houdini 101 what do people need to look for what do they people need to look for what do they need to be shooting for what modes they need to be shooting for what modes they needed to talk a little bit about what needed to talk a little bit about what they're looking for basic code set on they're looking for basic code set on Houdini okay great so Houdini is a mode Houdini okay great so Houdini is a mode oriented game okay sort of anyways it's oriented game okay sort of anyways it's a ninety style game where they driven a ninety style game where they driven with a couple of multi balls and sort of with a couple of multi balls and sort of run in parallel to that and then some of run in parallel to that and then some of the modes have a multiball element as the modes have a multiball element as well and there's two sets of modes or well and there's two sets of modes or what we call stage modes and those take what we call stage modes and those take place here at the stage range ones and place here at the stage range ones and those are based on Houdini's escapes oh those are based on Houdini's escapes oh there's so there's ten of those there there's so there's ten of those there and as the displacements die you're able and as the displacements die you're able to see which which one is currently to see which which one is currently selected it has to do when you open it selected it has to do when you open it that's the one you get those a handsome that's the one you get those a handsome on that down the road and there's one on that down the road and there's one screen level to show you forget your screen level to show you forget your status hook it on the 10 if you actually status hook it on the 10 if you actually it that well then you'd have to get a it that well then you'd have to get a random selection then there's five modes random selection then there's five modes based on his movie so perfect timing based on his movie so perfect timing okay so so five miles place on the the okay so so five miles place on the the film's the film so he was a movie star film's the film so he was a movie star one of the earliest movie stars in one of the earliest movie stars in silent film he has a walk on the star on silent film he has a walk on the star on the hollywood one in a lame based on not the hollywood one in a lame based on not being a fur magician but for his movie being a fur magician but for his movie that work which is straight ahead that work which is straight ahead so I've watched all five movies I do not so I've watched all five movies I do not recommend whatsoever the growth came up recommend whatsoever the growth came up in time to bring the is freedom most of in time to bring the is freedom most of them are like only an hour hour and 15 Cylons be downside there was when I was watching them actually had to watch them watching them actually had to watch them it's not like I could be working on a it's not like I could be working on a less than kind of a listing and I less than kind of a listing and I actually watch them twice as I watched actually watch them twice as I watched them the first few weeks I started on a them the first few weeks I started on a project to get familiar but then once project to get familiar but then once later when I actually went to go work on later when I actually went to go work on those modes they sort of skim through those modes they sort of skim through them again oh so fun based on those them again oh so fun based on those votes and those get triggered from here votes and those get triggered from here which is actually off this inner loop which is actually off this inner loop shot okay alright so that's how those shot okay alright so that's how those get triggered and you can see we have get triggered and you can see we have you know here a little movie real you know here a little movie real so the real okay signifies that and you so the real okay signifies that and you start I guess you take back so you get start I guess you take back so you get you light those by spelling film here at you light those by spelling film here at the lanes make sense to me right there the lanes make sense to me right there is a setting if you want to have that is a setting if you want to have that start late at the start which we've done start late at the start which we've done it a couple of the show so people have a it a couple of the show so people have a chance to get to that and then opening chance to get to that and then opening the stage as we talked about there's a the stage as we talked about there's a couple different ways to open the stage couple different ways to open the stage you could just pound it and a you could just pound it and a traditional you know bash it all day you traditional you know bash it all day you can shoot this shot on Arthur's yeah can shoot this shot on Arthur's yeah that we call a stage alley okay it'll be that we call a stage alley okay it'll be referred to that way they get right referred to that way they get right through the pop right if you hit it through the pop right if you hit it through there it'll immediately open the through there it'll immediately open the first time you hit it this red target first time you hit it this red target here we call this the key stand up here we call this the key stand up target if you hit a straight shot right target if you hit a straight shot right through the pops it will immediately through the pops it will immediately open if it's not an immediate shot that open if it's not an immediate shot that plays off the pops it takes like three plays off the pops it takes like three hits to open that's a tough shot that is hits to open that's a tough shot that is fun and fun and was the original intent when I first was the original intent when I first started it Joe had the layout he started it Joe had the layout he basically had three thoughts in mind it basically had three thoughts in mind it was okay we have this stage where he was okay we have this stage where he performs his act and he goes you collect performs his act and he goes you collect keys to do the act and we sort of moved keys to do the act and we sort of moved away from that but that was this initial away from that but that was this initial concept with that and we had the trunk concept with that and we had the trunk so originally okay was that like yeah so originally okay was that like yeah we're never going to get this over I we're never going to get this over I suppose the natural inclination is to suppose the natural inclination is to bang it so we changed it to make it it's bang it so we changed it to make it it's more of a bang toy and then over time we more of a bang toy and then over time we said all the way should make this shot said all the way should make this shot more valuable so we enter in their best more valuable so we enter in their best of both worlds so he evolved it a little of both worlds so he evolved it a little bit to make sure you can get the mode bit to make sure you can get the mode started it's actually pretty easy started it's actually pretty easy so that's your centerpiece you're so that's your centerpiece you're starting modes through that you can starting modes through that you can either start them by banging on the either start them by banging on the curtain the number of times or you can curtain the number of times or you can go through this stage pass is what you go through this stage pass is what you call right stage a jelly hit this one call right stage a jelly hit this one key Lane this one stage valid you'll key Lane this one stage valid you'll just helps a little bit you if you say just helps a little bit you if you say left orbit yeah my orbit people know left orbit yeah my orbit people know what that know what those are we felt what that know what those are we felt like we needed to name and you know I like we needed to name and you know I think it's a great yeah we're gonna name think it's a great yeah we're gonna name the ramp and then we couldn't have come the ramp and then we couldn't have come to an agreement said okay we're just to an agreement said okay we're just leaving you this the ramp it ran listen leaving you this the ramp it ran listen to rap so we've got hit modes we've got to rap so we've got hit modes we've got five film modes right there's more five film modes right there's more there's more horses are so well there's more horses are so well ultimately your goal is to spell Houdini ultimately your goal is to spell Houdini so there's actually seven different sets so there's actually seven different sets of objectives you can pursue in the okay of objectives you can pursue in the okay so the stage modes is one and you learn so the stage modes is one and you learn a Houdini letter by completing all ten a Houdini letter by completing all ten or in two settings you can change it to or in two settings you can change it to be anywhere from five to ten and you be anywhere from five to ten and you could say so you could potentially earn could say so you could potentially earn to Houdini letters okay air which might to Houdini letters okay air which might be a good thing cuz we'll do the setting be a good thing cuz we'll do the setting for Greg's Greg needs the right so we for Greg's Greg needs the right so we put in a lot of settings because it is a put in a lot of settings because it is a very deep game and a very wide game and very deep game and a very wide game and you know you want people to be able to you know you want people to be able to get to the antis room you know I made it get to the antis room you know I made it one shot from that one over there having one shot from that one over there having got shot and went the ball did it bounce got shot and went the ball did it bounce I'd never got to hit the flipper night I'd never got to hit the flipper night well I was depressed about to touch the well I was depressed about to touch the game for like 300 I guarantee okay game for like 300 I guarantee okay because I need to be get to touch the because I need to be get to touch the ball and hit the Shire and bounce out ball and hit the Shire and bounce out went straight down the middle went straight down the middle just like standing there in disbelief just like standing there in disbelief however that so you want people to be so however that so you want people to be so we added in the settings there's a lot we added in the settings there's a lot of ways to cancel seven past to spell of ways to cancel seven past to spell the Dean right where does that lead you the Dean right where does that lead you so the stage is the first if you so the stage is the first if you ultimately smell seven you get to the ultimately smell seven you get to the master magician mode so there's three master magician mode so there's three mini magician modes and I'll touch on mini magician modes and I'll touch on those look at its roots and then the those look at its roots and then the master magician abode there cuz so the master magician abode there cuz so the stage will get you a Houdini letter stage will get you a Houdini letter completing all five movies will get you completing all five movies will get you a good DD letter and also gets you to a a good DD letter and also gets you to a good DD letter and also gets you to a mini magician mode but the Houdini movie mini magician mode but the Houdini movie binge okay so it's both incorporates all binge okay so it's both incorporates all the five movies yeah and the points are the five movies yeah and the points are heavily driven by how you did when you heavily driven by how you did when you did the five movies so you don't have to did the five movies so you don't have to successfully complete them but based on successfully complete them but based on how the points you accumulated there's how the points you accumulated there's for what funnels into the mini magician for what funnels into the mini magician boat so if you did well then the boat boat so if you did well then the boat so if you did well then the boat becomes worth a lot more the third item becomes worth a lot more the third item is seance multiball so there's two is seance multiball so there's two locals seance multiball you get by locals seance multiball you get by spelling seance which is these thin spelling seance which is these thin targets yeah so when Joe first put the targets yeah so when Joe first put the playfield up and we were looking at it playfield up and we were looking at it and he's a big fan of not just having and he's a big fan of not just having posts why there's practically no posters posts why there's practically no posters there's a and isn't something you're there's a and isn't something you're getting some value out of it and the getting some value out of it and the reality is if you're not hitting the reality is if you're not hitting the shots you're gonna hit though so the shots you're gonna hit though so the thought was okay let's tie that into a thought was okay let's tie that into a multiball because people who aren't multiball because people who aren't particularly good at p-- involved yeah particularly good at p-- involved yeah they're gonna hit those targets so let's they're gonna hit those targets so let's give them some reward for doing that give them some reward for doing that that's really smart I like that and if that's really smart I like that and if one point he actually made a tweet cuz I one point he actually made a tweet cuz I needed one more target to be able to needed one more target to be able to spell seance so he made a slight spell seance so he made a slight adjustment someplace so I have my six it adjustment someplace so I have my six it was very accommodating was very accommodating sometimes I asked to go for things he sometimes I asked to go for things he says that's not happening so as I asked says that's not happening so as I asked you for things he's like no problem we you for things he's like no problem we didn't really answer didn't really answer so you spell seance there and then it so you spell seance there and then it gets started here at the scoop and the gets started here at the scoop and the nice thing again if you don't have the nice thing again if you don't have the skills to hit this invariably just off skills to hit this invariably just off the slingshot you'll get it yeah that's the slingshot you'll get it yeah that's a three ball multiball and that's when a three ball multiball and that's when the matter the matter because illness so there was a three because illness so there was a three magnets in the game there's one under magnets in the game there's one under each hand and then there's the one below each hand and then there's the one below the eyes the eyes well actually the art was done soon well actually the art was done soon after we placed the magnets oh so we after we placed the magnets oh so we came out Joe and I were looking at the came out Joe and I were looking at the we knew we needed to put magnets in the we knew we needed to put magnets in the game we had the blueprint up on a wall game we had the blueprint up on a wall or the CAD diagram with firmware to put or the CAD diagram with firmware to put it we said well let's put them near it we said well let's put them near these targets mm-hmm which we now call these targets mm-hmm which we now call the magic stand up targets and I'll talk the magic stand up targets and I'll talk more about that in a minute so we could more about that in a minute so we could kind of trigger the magnets off of that kind of trigger the magnets off of that and then we got with the artists who and then we got with the artists who said okay could we do you know put his said okay could we do you know put his hands you know the two big circles here hands you know the two big circles here in a big circle kind of right because we in a big circle kind of right because we were playing around with with different were playing around with with different art you know obviously for the back art you know obviously for the back lacet for this and we finally described lacet for this and we finally described that and he did a great job of making it that and he did a great job of making it work that's perfect the chain-link work that's perfect the chain-link concept came in at that time as well we concept came in at that time as well we talked to well if we do the chains we talked to well if we do the chains we can you put inserts in there to do some can you put inserts in there to do some tracking on that so that all came tracking on that so that all came together nicely together nicely so sans multiball so again for the so sans multiball so again for the novice you're gonna probably seven hours novice you're gonna probably seven hours bills bills boom magnets multiball great very boom magnets multiball great very satisfying yeah ii multiball which also satisfying yeah ii multiball which also so a couple of jackpots during seance so a couple of jackpots during seance I'll earn you a Houdini letter okay and I'll earn you a Houdini letter okay and there is a progress screen if you hold there is a progress screen if you hold both flippers in once we start up a game both flippers in once we start up a game you can see that that'll show you that you can see that that'll show you that progress of each of these different progress of each of these different areas towards your earning your gutters areas towards your earning your gutters so the other multiball that's running so the other multiball that's running in parallel is trunk multiball okay so in parallel is trunk multiball okay so this is the tight in early love that this is the tight in early love that that's not as tough as people know that's not as tough as people know because I'm having a harder time hitting because I'm having a harder time hitting the ranch so this is clearly a the ranch so this is clearly a psychological there are people they look psychological there are people they look at it they think it's shorter by the way at it they think it's shorter by the way off the backhand I can hit that right off the backhand I can hit that right now or set roof just cradle that back now or set roof just cradle that back here I'm not there yeah that just it here I'm not there yeah that just it feels nice once you get the feel for feels nice once you get the feel for that shot there is really consistent and that shot there is really consistent and it is and that you know that feeds is it is and that you know that feeds is sort of like a little bit of a Rube sort of like a little bit of a Rube Goldberg thing yeah the shot to here Goldberg thing yeah the shot to here that goes to the rock that goes to the that goes to the rock that goes to the rock that goes to the kids of presentation it'll put in here kids of presentation it'll put in here and then I got your next step it's the and then I got your next step it's the money shot so you sort of want to have money shot so you sort of want to have that that build up to it or as well that that build up to it or as well because we can play how do we bring more because we can play how do we bring more attention to it which is why the reason attention to it which is why the reason we had the spotlight here the Cody was we had the spotlight here the Cody was really really bring that to attention so you to lock bring that to attention so you to lock it slip that locks it through get you a it slip that locks it through get you a multiball it's the stage alishan will multiball it's the stage alishan will relight the lock contra so again very relight the lock contra so again very typical of your nineties kind of light typical of your nineties kind of light lock Wow and they roll yeah there is a lock Wow and they roll yeah there is a setting to determine if it's lit at the setting to determine if it's lit at the start of the game which is the default start of the game which is the default you sort of you know the first time you you sort of you know the first time you sort of you know the first time you get that shot you better get though the get that shot you better get though the cats right cats right maybe real bump you hit the tough shot maybe real bump you hit the tough shot you don't get the countable you really you don't get the countable you really what's going on yeah definitely want what's going on yeah definitely want that same glory balls for the distort that same glory balls for the distort your trunk multiball right again the your trunk multiball right again the both multiball seance and trunk can be both multiball seance and trunk can be stacked with stage modes and movie modes stacked with stage modes and movie modes perfect you do have to start those moves perfect you do have to start those moves first one or two things you can do you first one or two things you can do you think that stack so you know one of the think that stack so you know one of the best stacks so you can stack multiple best stacks so you can stack multiple stack the stage mode and a film mode no stack the stage mode and a film mode no independent other so you would use one independent other so you would use one arm to use and then open a multiball arm to use and then open a multiball stack exact perfect stack exact perfect so like neo needles which is the trick so like neo needles which is the trick or he puts needles in red dress and or he puts needles in red dress and pulls it out which is sort of like your pulls it out which is sort of like your frenzy every switches your valuables and frenzy every switches your valuables and you hear that sound to writing that you hear that sound to writing that ticking I love it so there was a Texas ticking I love it so there was a Texas the volume or that was a little I'd to the volume or that was a little I'd to get hear it across the beam and for get hear it across the beam and for those of us Andy and the great necklace those of us Andy and the great necklace of the game all day like that night of the game all day like that night flying over the wall you love that flying over the wall you love that blower just like that blower so movies blower just like that blower so movies stage seance stage seance trunk multiball I next up our secret trunk multiball I next up our secret missions missions Oh Houdini was a spy for the government Oh Houdini was a spy for the government now that everybody believes that has now that everybody believes that has never been proven my attitude is well if never been proven my attitude is well if he was a spy it's not like he was you he was a spy it's not like he was you know you wouldn't know about so we're know you wouldn't know about so we're going with it was I we would go with going with it was I we would go with that and so the secret missions are set that and so the secret missions are set of 5 combo shots well you actually I of 5 combo shots well you actually I remember these actually start one and remember these actually start one and only one is active at at times and you only one is active at at times and you have to complete the first combo before have to complete the first combo before you can move to the next and actually you can move to the next and actually they get tougher and tougher and the they get tougher and tougher and the values increase completed all five order values increase completed all five order Houdini letter and there's also a mini Houdini letter and there's also a mini magician abode magician abode that is what is that is probably the that is what is that is probably the hardest person yeah they can think and hardest person yeah they can think and you can lower the number you need to you can lower the number you need to earn the Houdini letter and like I said earn the Houdini letter and like I said you can earn to Houdini letters at the you can earn to Houdini letters at the stage and also at the magic shop so stage and also at the magic shop so let's say you open up one of those let's say you open up one of those secret loans right and it requires secret loans right and it requires combos how many combos do you have to combos how many combos do you have to complete to complete that one secret complete to complete that one secret right so each mission is one combo shot right so each mission is one combo shot so for example the first that's doable so for example the first that's doable the other secret mission is ramp and the other secret mission is ramp and back to the scoop that's doable not too back to the scoop that's doable not too easy and what's nice about that done it easy and what's nice about that done it immediately is going to start your new immediately is going to start your new circle okay and the next one and get circle okay and the next one and get that milk can and that's what screws me that milk can and that's what screws me up listen okay well that would come so up listen okay well that would come so much later so that there's no combo much later so that there's no combo shadow cases I'd milk an advantage at shadow cases I'd milk an advantage at least the last one uses the bill least the last one uses the bill I think the second combo shines is then I think the second combo shines is then ramp orbit scoop Oh as three right so he ramp orbit scoop Oh as three right so he moves to a three shot then there's a moves to a three shot then there's a couple of threes eventually you get to couple of threes eventually you get to like a five shot and see it and that's like a five shot and see it and that's what I'm saying you know get it to that what I'm saying you know get it to that last one it's gonna be required that's last one it's gonna be required that's good let's set it lower man that's when good let's set it lower man that's when you in your own location that's what's you in your own location that's what's so fun you keep putting quarters there so fun you keep putting quarters there just just try to get that one comment on just just try to get that one comment on much less than 15 modes at the five much less than 15 modes at the five secret modes and you're at home and secret modes and you're at home and you're late at night and you're trying you're late at night and you're trying to just get that one five for that five to just get that one five for that five point combo I love this every once in a point combo I love this every once in a while when I play it's like you know I'm while when I play it's like you know I'm just gonna focus on combos can I get just gonna focus on combos can I get through all five I have yet to do it through all five I have yet to do it yeah I've gotten through four yet to be yeah I've gotten through four yet to be able to but that's one of the things I able to but that's one of the things I wanted to do in the end was have that wanted to do in the end was have that kind of breath but there's different kind of breath but there's different things going on things going on and if you've got this at home you can and if you've got this at home you can step up one time I'm gonna focus on I'm step up one time I'm gonna focus on I'm trying to do that or trying to do all trying to do that or trying to do all five movie loads yeah five movie loads yeah getting through all the stage when it's getting through all the stage when it's getting through all the movie modes very getting through all the movie modes very attainable if you're having a pretty attainable if you're having a pretty good game it's not that hard to start good game it's not that hard to start you can play multiple games that have you can play multiple games that have different tasks right you go after in different tasks right you go after in different ways and it's a complete one different ways and it's a complete one and you can start another task to try to and you can start another task to try to spell that Houdini right to that master spell that Houdini right to that master wizard mode or the three sub mode right wizard mode or the three sub mode right and obviously you know the keys you know and obviously you know the keys you know over time you start to learn oh if this over time you start to learn oh if this is the combo active and if I start this is the combo active and if I start this stage mo those are gonna play nice stage mo those are gonna play nice together together oh no bro okay you focus on the combo oh no bro okay you focus on the combo right now because if I got it I'm gonna right now because if I got it I'm gonna get the mode that's where your the get the mode that's where your the richness of it goes I'll get those and richness of it goes I'll get those and that's where those you know the novices that's where those you know the novices that we have seance multi Baltimore and that we have seance multi Baltimore and then the other extreme is things like then the other extreme is things like that for those serious strategy guys who that for those serious strategy guys who are going to study and then say oh I are going to study and then say oh I want to stack this with this mm-hmm want to stack this with this mm-hmm those Rangers which will comfortable those Rangers which will comfortable milk a multiplier in a minute it was milk a multiplier in a minute it was gonna tie to a dealer so next item is gonna tie to a dealer so next item is oak Taylor escapes to spelling escape no oak Taylor escapes to spelling escape no White's the jail in Spain little White's the jail in Spain little tortoise here co-star gets it does tortoise here co-star gets it does require a typical action off the pops to require a typical action off the pops to get it these are suitable from here off get it these are suitable from here off the pops just already chosen stuff those the pops just already chosen stuff those are a set of five hurry ups are a set of five hurry ups what Houdini would do is when he was you what Houdini would do is when he was you know he go when he arrived in a new city know he go when he arrived in a new city he'd go to the local police station and he'd go to the local police station and have them throw herself into jail and have them throw herself into jail and then he'd break out of jail and the then he'd break out of jail and the newspapers would cover it and all the newspapers would cover it and all the people over there yeah he was a people over there yeah he was a brilliant marketer we did take one brilliant marketer we did take one Liberty one of the hurry ups is based on Liberty one of the hurry ups is based on London and he actually never did that London and he actually never did that and watch and when he arrived in London and watch and when he arrived in London and went to the police and wants to do and went to the police and wants to do it they are like no way oh we had it they are like no way oh we had already heard about other police already heard about other police departments being embarrassed and so we departments being embarrassed and so we incorporate that so it's based on five incorporate that so it's based on five cities okay you can either have the cities okay you can either have the configure to go easy to hard or just configure to go easy to hard or just randomly work exit but the value is randomly work exit but the value is based on from a difficult birth of it so based on from a difficult birth of it so yeah one is just hitting the ramp shot yeah one is just hitting the ramp shot there's also a setting as to how hard it there's also a setting as to how hard it is so if you have it out easy just is so if you have it out easy just kidding it part way up the ramp but will kidding it part way up the ramp but will warn it first if you have it I'd warn it first if you have it I'd normally actually have to complete the normally actually have to complete the ramp because this thing through the opto ramp because this thing through the opto and different things right so one of the and different things right so one of the shots is hitting the key target but if shots is hitting the key target but if you're uneasy as long as you hit it you're uneasy as long as you hit it through here no got it or somebody wants through here no got it or somebody wants to make a show that it wasn't impossible to make a show that it wasn't impossible to especially the milk-can shop so in to especially the milk-can shop so in the case of the milk and hitting the the case of the milk and hitting the case of the milk and hitting the target will award you the hurry off as target will award you the hurry off as well as making oh that's a little loop well as making oh that's a little loop okay so the other shot that takes place okay so the other shot that takes place to here besides the general escape is to here besides the general escape is the magic shop that's sort of your the magic shop that's sort of your traditional mystery award you open the traditional mystery award you open the magic shop through the spinner okay the magic shop through the spinner okay the number of spins gets a little more number of spins gets a little more difficult at each level slower job and difficult at each level slower job and it's a random award and there's some it's a random award and there's some really nice Easter eggs okay I love that really nice Easter eggs okay I love that start to because that's not a direct start to because that's not a direct shot you can hit right it requires shot you can hit right it requires pinball right that randomness well and pinball right that randomness well and what's interesting about it is to what's interesting about it is to multiple ways you can get it in there multiple ways you can get it in there one is off the pops actually this shot one is off the pops actually this shot here through stage alley if it's a here through stage alley if it's a little bit of a softer shot yeah it'll little bit of a softer shot yeah it'll go right now we're given if it's a go right now we're given if it's a harder shot you'll get the bounce so if harder shot you'll get the bounce so if you shoot that stage le enough you're you shoot that stage le enough you're gonna have no getting out of there cut gonna have no getting out of there cut and you can actually just off the right and you can actually just off the right flipper bank it right off of its then I flipper bank it right off of its then I was here yeah actually there's lots of was here yeah actually there's lots of different ways that goes into it was different ways that goes into it was actually a concern I had early on we actually a concern I had early on we didn't have a shooting game you know the didn't have a shooting game you know the whole time I was writing the code before whole time I was writing the code before it was one of those it's like okay I'm it was one of those it's like okay I'm facing two different things out here is facing two different things out here is the wall gonna get there and we found the wall gonna get there and we found that yeah you get some great dive it's that yeah you get some great dive it's really it seems good what are we going really it seems good what are we going to live there right if you don't get in to live there right if you don't get in there enough there are eight different there enough there are eight different awards at the magic shop okay you can awards at the magic shop okay you can earn a Houdini letter and eight or you earn a Houdini letter and eight or you can configure it down to five or also so can configure it down to five or also so even the mystery shots you can get that even the mystery shots you can get that for yes I like that you have to visit for yes I like that you have to visit there and it gives you more than just there and it gives you more than just the mystery awarded sometimes you hit a the mystery awarded sometimes you hit a mystery shot and you think okay I got mystery shot and you think okay I got great but you get you're getting closer great but you get you're getting closer to a crucial letter I love so the key is to a crucial letter I love so the key is it means you got to hit that spinner it means you got to hit that spinner enough to open it enough and get there enough to open it enough and get there enough so yeah that's more something enough so yeah that's more something they find out to work too hard up but it they find out to work too hard up but it means your game has to be long enough to means your game has to be long enough to be conscious of it when it's lit yeah if be conscious of it when it's lit yeah if they're both Lake Jail escape and magic they're both Lake Jail escape and magic shop obviously it'll give you both go shop obviously it'll give you both go get your gift and then it'll start the get your gift and then it'll start the hurry up let's see so like the live show hurry up let's see so like the live show so the milk-can so the milk-can the light shows in this game are really the light shows in this game are really clear terrible right are they they're clear terrible right are they they're basically a handful I threw and his basically a handful I threw and his placeholders over the next six weeks placeholders over the next six weeks how horrible Zeller goes yeah all the how horrible Zeller goes yeah all the origin B's Chandler what you will find origin B's Chandler what you will find with with the light shows like some of with with the light shows like some of the ones that attract her just because I the ones that attract her just because I was testing them there but they they was testing them there but they they work they work great so what other work they work great so what other things you can change is code well I things you can change is code well I talked about that with people you what's talked about that with people you what's the game ship there's some issue Joe the game ship there's some issue Joe can't fix a plane filled design problem can't fix a plane filled design problem or something like that there's issues or something like that there's issues with the code and yelling there will be with the code and yelling there will be some bugs in there no doubt yeah I can some bugs in there no doubt yeah I can fix that pretty easily and continue to fix that pretty easily and continue to enhance things well what's really enhance things well what's really interesting about the origin being the interesting about the origin being the light it shows is everything in the game light it shows is everything in the game is color-coded no point having RGB if is color-coded no point having RGB if you're not really using that to help you're not really using that to help with a player so for example Escape is with a player so for example Escape is great though the targets are green when great though the targets are green when you're in a very nice very in a hurry up you're in a very nice very in a hurry up the shot you need will be flashing green the shot you need will be flashing green but not when you complete it you'll get but not when you complete it you'll get a quick light show that screen so what a quick light show that screen so what you read now I know I have the hurry up you read now I know I have the hurry up Lynn yes movies are blue dark blue so Lynn yes movies are blue dark blue so when you're in a movie mode the shots when you're in a movie mode the shots you need or dark blue you'll get a light you need or dark blue you'll get a light show with you complete film you know is show with you complete film you know is that the film inserts are blue so that the film inserts are blue so everything is color-coded around that everything is color-coded around that things associated with the stage or s if things associated with the stage or s if you had a stage mode which makes sense you had a stage mode which makes sense the hours will be red the red hurt and the hours will be red the red hurt and it's also the most visible color easy to it's also the most visible color easy to pick on the secret missions are pink pick on the secret missions are pink okay sort of like a hot pink you cannot okay sort of like a hot pink you cannot sit and so what'll happen with the sit and so what'll happen with the secret missions if that shot is the ramp secret missions if that shot is the ramp and that'll be flashing and as soon as and that'll be flashing and as soon as you make that shot or even just the you make that shot or even just the first part of that shot okay it'll start first part of that shot okay it'll start to flash the next shot in the sequence to flash the next shot in the sequence is if you hit the wrong thing then it is if you hit the wrong thing then it immediately goes back to the beginning immediately goes back to the beginning of the sequence because once you miss a of the sequence because once you miss a shot it goes bad now you don't see pink shot it goes bad now you don't see pink that color used very often in a game that color used very often in a game this it's right you see they're not this it's right you see they're not afraid you guys aren't afraid but yet afraid you guys aren't afraid but yet took my time see you're looking at all took my time see you're looking at all that your tolerance you want them to that your tolerance you want them to differentiate some way they use pink is differentiate some way they use pink is orange teal and turquoise or other orange teal and turquoise or other colors so the seance is this your teal colors so the seance is this your teal color oh that was very good see I was color oh that was very good see I was talking okay you don't steal don't see talking okay you don't steal don't see teal stay in the target I don't think teal stay in the target I don't think any other sort of thing those are custom any other sort of thing those are custom made both the super thinness of this made both the super thinness of this yeah we had to disperse them and answer yeah we had to disperse them and answer those custom we were able to get the those custom we were able to get the color done custom in the morning with color done custom in the morning with some large could cost to that but I kind some large could cost to that but I kind of pushed hard as we really wanted that of pushed hard as we really wanted that coloring to work just only through so coloring to work just only through so what else do you need to do to get those what else do you need to do to get those Houdini letters we've got for a Houdini letters we've got for a meaningful so I think we've hit on them meaningful so I think we've hit on them so they were staged okay movie magic so they were staged okay movie magic shop that's a secret mission Jo escapes shop that's a secret mission Jo escapes and the two multi balls perfect so what and the two multi balls perfect so what he noted is a complete the multiple to he noted is a complete the multiple to get that letter you start up seance get that letter you start up seance multiple what you have to do to actually multiple what you have to do to actually give the two jackpots to eject so the give the two jackpots to eject so the jackpot since seances you need to jackpot since seances you need to complete the six seance targets so you'd complete the six seance targets so you'd have to go through that sequence twice have to go through that sequence twice okay okay there's also a super jackpot which some there's also a super jackpot which some people say it's not possible but I've people say it's not possible but I've done it okay which is you have to spell done it okay which is you have to spell it in order no I will say it's a lot it in order no I will say it's a lot easier to do I don't blame very sent are easier to do I don't blame very sent are inspired yeah oh yeah you're not doing inspired yeah oh yeah you're not doing that unless you're gonna cradle the that unless you're gonna cradle the balls so basically once you get to two balls so basically once you get to two balls you create a one then it's very balls you create a one then it's very doable do very hard to do it on the doable do very hard to do it on the first one because the balls are coming first one because the balls are coming into play if the ball comes out of here into play if the ball comes out of here it's gonna take my bounce here and it's gonna take my bounce here and immediately hit wasn't the sands targets immediately hit wasn't the sands targets over it again another test that somebody over it again another test that somebody can really get indeed to this game right can really get indeed to this game right and again those top players because it's and again those top players because it's worth a lot of money worth a lot of money a lot of points not money I wish it was a lot of points not money I wish it was money go for the super jackpot so it is money go for the super jackpot so it is for some of these different players if for some of these different players if they hit these you know and try scoring they hit these you know and try scoring balance it is something I spent quite a balance it is something I spent quite a bit of time running and you know over bit of time running and you know over time will tweak things if we have to but time will tweak things if we have to but I really tried to make sure that nothing I really tried to make sure that nothing was outrageously okay valuable my first was outrageously okay valuable my first guess would be you had to stay away from guess would be you had to stay away from sounds multi vaulting in words so much sounds multi vaulting in words so much yeah and it's not it's actually almost yeah and it's not it's actually almost not worth enough okay I recently bumped not worth enough okay I recently bumped it on Cygnus I'm like you know I'm not it on Cygnus I'm like you know I'm not sure you're getting enough fat and then sure you're getting enough fat and then multiball so a few tweaks there multiball so a few tweaks there terrific so tell us a little bit about terrific so tell us a little bit about the you talked about the minor magician the you talked about the minor magician modes versus that major magician right modes versus that major magician right so there's the three mini magician modes so there's the three mini magician modes and one is after all the movies oh god and one is after all the movies oh god he's after the secret missions okay and he's after the secret missions okay and one is after the hurry office so if you one is after the hurry office so if you get those those you get your letter but get those those you get your letter but you also go right into that right so you also go right into that right so you're in the letter first before you do you're in the letter first before you do the mini magician though so you don't the mini magician though so you don't have to do that to get the letter have to do that to get the letter yeah although you know it's kind of a yeah although you know it's kind of a lot of the point sources big points in lot of the point sources big points in the mini division books those are not the mini division books those are not implemented in the game yet two of them implemented in the game yet two of them are basically done i need sound calls are basically done i need sound calls from our sound engineer matt kern not from our sound engineer matt kern not that I've given him the list of sound that I've given him the list of sound calls for that yeah because they've calls for that yeah because they've literally been coding the many musician literally been coding the many musician boats the last week or two very cool the boats the last week or two very cool the secret mission one so I expect that secret mission one so I expect that those will be in place later this month those will be in place later this month okay you might have temporary sound okay you might have temporary sound calls to get it done and then the master calls to get it done and then the master magician mode I've designed it it hasn't magician mode I've designed it it hasn't been coded yet really and I can tell you been coded yet really and I can tell you anything about it but my goal is that anything about it but my goal is that you tell us how to get to it well once you tell us how to get to it well once you spell Houdini that you'll be able to you spell Houdini that you'll be able to start it from a couple of different start it from a couple of different places us travel Houdini it'll be lit places us travel Houdini it'll be lit you'll be able to start it I can tell you'll be able to start it I can tell you're excited or whatever well I'm you're excited or whatever well I'm looking forward to be able to get to it looking forward to be able to get to it that's like a little lament item police that's like a little lament item police say but at the same time it's not yes say but at the same time it's not yes it's not everybody's going to get to it's not everybody's going to get to especially on location especially on location it's not also where I'm going to say oh it's not also where I'm going to say oh I'm gonna spend 20% of my development I'm gonna spend 20% of my development time oh of course you wanted to be there time oh of course you wanted to be there but it's the arrival is as much the but it's the arrival is as much the thing as we rehearse there one thing thing as we rehearse there one thing as we rehearse there one thing give the SD team views can you complete give the SD team views can you complete the master yes everything completed yes the master yes everything completed yes it is complete it is a over and it's not it is complete it is a over and it's not just hit jackpot until you're dead no no just hit jackpot until you're dead no no it's a series of things tied back to the it's a series of things tied back to the seven areas okay so those are sort of seven areas okay so those are sort of incorporated in there both from a incorporated in there both from a scoring standpoint and an objective scoring standpoint and an objective standpoint so ultimately you're trying standpoint so ultimately you're trying to work through those things to to work through those things to work through those things to successfully become a master magician successfully become a master magician and if I know Josh he's gonna make it a and if I know Josh he's gonna make it a spectacle it should be that thing well spectacle it should be that thing well it would be nice you know I like to be it would be nice you know I like to be able to do like ta style light shows and able to do like ta style light shows and it'll do the best I can with that but it'll do the best I can with that but yeah you certainly want it to feel like yeah you certainly want it to feel like you you know you've beaten the game okay you you know you've beaten the game okay right now my anticipation is if you do right now my anticipation is if you do that your games gonna end it's not like that your games gonna end it's not like okay you start doing what everything you okay you start doing what everything you have to do some games like you get to have to do some games like you get to keep I say take a breath right I'm keep I say take a breath right I'm thinking the game explodes your second thinking the game explodes your second can now start your toes it might be but can now start your toes it might be but you know what Josh that's what I love you know what Josh that's what I love about the depth of this code in about the depth of this code in particular and many games like it it's a particular and many games like it it's a lot of these guys they get to the wizard lot of these guys they get to the wizard mode I'm trying to like this I'm not mode I'm trying to like this I'm not gonna lie get to the wizard mode and you gonna lie get to the wizard mode and you just rock the socks off of that thing just rock the socks off of that thing it's kind of boring it's kind of boring it's kind of stale with this it's gonna it's kind of stale with this it's gonna take you a long time to get there and if take you a long time to get there and if you haven't got there a lot of guys like you haven't got there a lot of guys like myself it's hard for me to get rid of a myself it's hard for me to get rid of a game if I haven't been if I haven't seen game if I haven't been if I haven't seen everything in it it's hard to get it everything in it it's hard to get it that's why there's a lot of Lord of the that's why there's a lot of Lord of the Rings still sitting in that game room is Rings still sitting in that game room is that Lenore disagree that's such a great that Lenore disagree that's such a great game you know it just has the right mix game you know it just has the right mix of a very deep roll but great theme of a very deep roll but great theme integration yeah and that's a critical integration yeah and that's a critical thing some games you know you look at it thing some games you know you look at it and it's like yeah you just slap the and it's like yeah you just slap the name on there name on there it's your line your mobile is nothing to it's your line your mobile is nothing to do with the theme if some games do a do with the theme if some games do a great job of really tying them together great job of really tying them together and yeah there's a bunch of things that and yeah there's a bunch of things that make that game work so well man I love make that game work so well man I love your passion about this you've gave the your passion about this you've gave the viewers a really good overview and viewers a really good overview and especially just what to look for 101 especially just what to look for 101 wise but also the depth of where the wise but also the depth of where the codes gonna go where would you say codes gonna go where would you say before we in this where would you say before we in this where would you say percentage-wise as we're shipping games percentage-wise as we're shipping games now uh-huh are we calling it 100 we call now uh-huh are we calling it 100 we call it a day 80 we call it a 110 you know I it a day 80 we call it a 110 you know I don't know it's artificial subjective don't know it's artificial subjective sort of I don't know if you ever get to sort of I don't know if you ever get to a hundred because that implies that a hundred because that implies that we've run out of ideas of things you we've run out of ideas of things you could potentially do to improve it know could potentially do to improve it know what I joked about is although the game what I joked about is although the game is done when I am so sick and tired of is done when I am so sick and tired of it but I don't want to work on it yeah it but I don't want to work on it yeah but right now everything is implemented but right now everything is implemented in the game with the exception of the in the game with the exception of the mini magician and the master magician oh mini magician and the master magician oh and as I said the two of them any and as I said the two of them any magician boats are basically you know magician boats are basically you know you know 80% done and will be done by you know 80% done and will be done by the end of this month so dependable kind the end of this month so dependable kind of everyone I was okay feel like this of everyone I was okay feel like this full we're in the 90% feel like that's full we're in the 90% feel like that's for what's really outstanding is just for what's really outstanding is just some additional polish to the game a few some additional polish to the game a few more light shows a little cleanup there more light shows a little cleanup there we're still dropping in some sound we're still dropping in some sound effects some more voice calls or few effects some more voice calls or few things up a few voice calls I'm not things up a few voice calls I'm not happy with some things like that some happy with some things like that some improvement to some of the animations improvement to some of the animations our artist was here today I was going our artist was here today I was going through some things you know so there's through some things you know so there's things that I'm just not happy with yet things that I'm just not happy with yet that we want to get there but my goal is that we want to get there but my goal is to start working on game 2 on March 1st to start working on game 2 on March 1st farlow a rule standpoint standpoint so farlow a rule standpoint standpoint so my goal is to have 99% 90 go back in my goal is to have 99% 90 go back in time enough just kind of tinker with it time enough just kind of tinker with it right yeah I've got some things you know right yeah I've got some things you know new ideas that have come up in the last new ideas that have come up in the last month I want to implement there's a month I want to implement there's a different skill shot on the horizon okay different skill shot on the horizon okay it just makes a little more value to it it just makes a little more value to it just makes a little more value to it with a couple other little features to with a couple other little features to it to enhance things so you know when I it to enhance things so you know when I played the game when I watch other watch played the game when I watch other watch other people play the game your new other people play the game your new ideas you know to mine you know tequila ideas you know to mine you know tequila really helps come up with really helps come up with best first you know if somebody wants to best first you know if somebody wants to ask how i came up with the reverse and ask how i came up with the reverse and inverted flippers and I said somebody inverted flippers and I said somebody who it was tequila somebody doesn't who it was tequila somebody doesn't drink that's the real question is is drink that's the real question is is this going in your gamer is this going this going in your gamer is this going in your gamer is this going in my game room absolutely absolutely in my game room absolutely absolutely first of all if I probably won't get to first of all if I probably won't get to the master magician mode legitimately the master magician mode legitimately until it's in my game yeah because until it's in my game yeah because they'll take a while to get to that very they'll take a while to get to that very good well then I think it's a game that good well then I think it's a game that will do well in people's homes again will do well in people's homes again because the brand would adapt the fact because the brand would adapt the fact that you know people who don't know that you know people who don't know anything about pinball can step up and anything about pinball can step up and typically get to a new ball and for typically get to a new ball and for those who really feel the gene to be the those who really feel the gene to be the game that's why I've been beating down game that's why I've been beating down American pin balls door to get this American pin balls door to get this thing Josh we want to thank you again thing Josh we want to thank you again and from all the hobbyists out there I and from all the hobbyists out there I know you guys feel the same way buddy know you guys feel the same way buddy the communication you have to us the communication you have to us hobbyists sometimes this hobby is just hobbyists sometimes this hobby is just pushed towards arcades or sometimes it's pushed towards arcades or sometimes it's just push towards obvious but you listen just push towards obvious but you listen to everybody and you take the feedback to everybody and you take the feedback you change things so for that we you change things so for that we appreciate it we thank you so much this appreciate it we thank you so much this is Josh koogler on the code set and the is Josh koogler on the code set and the rules of who team yeah Greg that so that rules of who team yeah Greg that so that that was a fun trip it is fun hey I am that was a fun trip it is fun hey I am so glad that Josh went over those rules so glad that Josh went over those rules because do you imagine us trying to because do you imagine us trying to explain those rules the complexities I'm explain those rules the complexities I'm glad it's work it's like Game of Thrones glad it's work it's like Game of Thrones yeah well you know that was done there yeah well you know that was done there so we'll talk about it more in code but so we'll talk about it more in code but one of the things I love about Kubler one of the things I love about Kubler a.m. Bowl sir I call him I call him a.m. Bowl sir I call him I call him Jacob and I call him Joey be Shiho PB&J Jacob and I call him Joey be Shiho PB&J coud coud the reason I like him therefore the reason I like him therefore compassionate that was the most special compassionate that was the most special it was that was the the best thing about it was that was the the best thing about going up there was to see the passion going up there was to see the passion they really want this out of everybody they really want this out of everybody up there baby I really want this back up there baby I really want this back yeah it wasn't appreciate and they felt yeah it wasn't appreciate and they felt I felt that and it wasn't like a pushy I felt that and it wasn't like a pushy type thing it was literally just the joy type thing it was literally just the joy just like when you talk to your friends just like when you talk to your friends about pinball yeah in the joy and the about pinball yeah in the joy and the hell you just in the pocket over each hell you just in the pocket over each other and you're just all excited what other and you're just all excited what we do every day that's the way that they we do every day that's the way that they were and you know especially Josh Josh were and you know especially Josh Josh was just like chill balls just a fun was just like chill balls just a fun kick-ass kick-ass Joe Joe Zee's awesome y'all it took a Joe Joe Zee's awesome y'all it took a little bit to warm up like yeah like little bit to warm up like yeah like when we first met him he was like can I when we first met him he was like can I drink a beer with these guys yeah yeah drink a beer with these guys yeah yeah he was just kind of standoffish like I he was just kind of standoffish like I don't know these these [ __ ] but by don't know these these [ __ ] but by the end of the day like I love the guy the end of the day like I love the guy like yeah I could I could have hung out like yeah I could I could have hung out with him even he was even jabbing on me with him even he was even jabbing on me like he was he warmed up to us a little like he was he warmed up to us a little bit got the knowest man dude he's like bit got the knowest man dude he's like one of the coolest guys it was like so one of the coolest guys it was like so let's get into the let's get into the let's get into the let's get into the let's get into the categories we're gonna start out with categories we're gonna start out with arch yeah okay so is Houdini a striking arch yeah okay so is Houdini a striking machine when you walk up yes it is I machine when you walk up yes it is I think so I think that with a unique head think so I think that with a unique head mill with the trans like just even the mill with the trans like just even the it's a very cohesive machine yeah the it's a very cohesive machine yeah the whole package is very cohesive nothing whole package is very cohesive nothing stands out it's not in your face but stands out it's not in your face but it's just elegant and gorgeous yeah it's just elegant and gorgeous yeah that's the one thing that that has that's the one thing that that has always struck me about this machine is I always struck me about this machine is I feel that you could live in a million feel that you could live in a million dollar home and set this somewhere in it dollar home and set this somewhere in it it would look like it's gonna look like it would look like it's gonna look like it looks like it is your ghost to be in it looks like it is your ghost to be in yes it would almost look unique like a yes it would almost look unique like a non-production piece like wow that is non-production piece like wow that is who did you have make that yes who did you have make that yes who did you commissioned out to to do who did you commissioned out to to do that exactly yeah it looks like a that exactly yeah it looks like a one-off Wow one-off Wow I like it all right so art for me you're I like it all right so art for me you're gonna hear say steampunk a lot gonna hear say steampunk a lot Industrial a lot and it ain't beauty a Industrial a lot and it ain't beauty a lot yeah can something be industrial and lot yeah can something be industrial and beautiful at the same time yes I think beautiful at the same time yes I think so there's a lot of it and that's what so there's a lot of it and that's what Houdini is all about Trudy me has a lot Houdini is all about Trudy me has a lot of color but it still feels like it of color but it still feels like it belongs in the factory yeah you know belongs in the factory yeah you know never very much so um I love when I walk never very much so um I love when I walk up to it I love seeing that bad glass up to it I love seeing that bad glass yes like man and that's what I gave it a yes like man and that's what I gave it a b-plus and I met at a - yeah I would b-plus and I met at a - yeah I would have I like it I like the Houdini in the have I like it I like the Houdini in the middle a lot but something is a little middle a lot but something is a little bit off for me that's why I couldn't bit off for me that's why I couldn't raid it and higher but the trans light raid it and higher but the trans light if I was just translate is it hold up if I was just translate is it hold up hold up is it a trans light oh it's a hold up is it a trans light oh it's a bad glass so it's not a translate it's a bad glass so it's not a translate it's a bad glass they bad glass they my bad thank you but the colors on it my bad thank you but the colors on it are so rich rich like I don't even are so rich rich like I don't even understand how that they even produce it understand how that they even produce it it's literally there's LEDs the it's literally there's LEDs the crispiest backdoor yes I've ever seen crispiest backdoor yes I've ever seen and the art is fantastic around it what and the art is fantastic around it what raw what raw what koogler said was typically whenever koogler said was typically whenever people scream pin screen print bag people scream pin screen print bag glasses they put like this it's like a glasses they put like this it's like a white coating on the back yes so I guess white coating on the back yes so I guess that the the light saturates it better that the the light saturates it better fuses almost like a frosted both yeah fuses almost like a frosted both yeah but what he what they did was they but what he what they did was they pulled it so it is literally the the art pulled it so it is literally the the art printed on that piece of glass behind printed on that piece of glass behind when you light it up the contrast really when you light it up the contrast really did hop yeah it looks really you know I did hop yeah it looks really you know I mean I don't know if they can see it in mean I don't know if they can see it in there but man it is more there's there but man it is more there's something oh it's so special one of the something oh it's so special one of the prettiest bad glasses and in all of prettiest bad glasses and in all of pinball I'm talking 70s is when you do pinball I'm talking 70s is when you do LCD screens and bad glasses you got to LCD screens and bad glasses you got to be careful because you don't you take be careful because you don't you take away the art I think Jersey jack will be away the art I think Jersey jack will be the first to even tell you he's got an the first to even tell you he's got an awesome 27-inch screen but that little awesome 27-inch screen but that little marquee is never going to be stunning marquee is never going to be stunning yes all right stern same thing yeah yes all right stern same thing yeah they've got a little bit bigger artwork they've got a little bit bigger artwork yeah but nothing is surrounding it yes yeah but nothing is surrounding it yes yes surrounds it and makes it part of yes surrounds it and makes it part of the story as the theater yeah because it the story as the theater yeah because it incorporates the screen as a part of the incorporates the screen as a part of the the back glass it's not it's not just a the back glass it's not it's not just a screen that's right because the curtains screen that's right because the curtains the way the heads are in front of it the the way the heads are in front of it the way the heads are in front of it the way that it was just cut out it gives way that it was just cut out it gives just a 3d effect that you're really just a 3d effect that you're really watching something on a stage the watching something on a stage the cabinet itself is unique with that hey cabinet itself is unique with that hey yeah so that is a piece of art yeah I yeah so that is a piece of art yeah I think they make a statement with it yeah think they make a statement with it yeah at first I didn't liked it at first I didn't liked it whenever I sold the shows yeah when I whenever I sold the shows yeah when I saw what the shows I thought you guys saw what the shows I thought you guys know I just wanted to line up just like know I just wanted to line up just like my other machines but then when I saw it my other machines but then when I saw it in person I thought well this is kind of in person I thought well this is kind of cool and then I heard Joe balls for cool and then I heard Joe balls for talking about the design of it and how talking about the design of it and how every machine going forward is gonna every machine going forward is gonna have that head I really like that at it have that head I really like that at it and it's grown on me and I've heard a and it's grown on me and I've heard a lot of people in the forum say that lot of people in the forum say that heads kind of growing on me yeah I like heads kind of growing on me yeah I like it and like they said you know they said it and like they said you know they said that since they put them out on location that since they put them out on location they've seen him in lineup to me it they've seen him in lineup to me it doesn't look awful it's turn or anything doesn't look awful it's turn or anything looks fun here yeah it does it's not looks fun here yeah it does it's not episode was my chief complaint about episode was my chief complaint about alien was that all that a head the head alien was that all that a head the head that's any little doing yet never it that's any little doing yet never it never fits in a lineup it looks my hot never fits in a lineup it looks my hot and easy just sit in a corner by itself and easy just sit in a corner by itself and I like that yeah but the head just and I like that yeah but the head just does not look right whereas this is does not look right whereas this is different but it fits in a lot of and in different but it fits in a lot of and in the side of the cab here was really cool the side of the cab here was really cool because it has that Victorian greenish because it has that Victorian greenish rich feel yes but then it's got rich feel yes but then it's got mechanisms and parts that look very mechanisms and parts that look very steampunk is yes I love it it gauges steampunk is yes I love it it gauges it's got handle is cohesive the it's got handle is cohesive the playfield the transit everything pulls playfield the transit everything pulls to powdercoat that's part of the art to powdercoat that's part of the art that shows that to an artistic design that shows that to an artistic design yes so that's like a it's like a rusty yes so that's like a it's like a rusty green it's texture and even the gun green it's texture and even the gun holding the team molding has a leather holding the team molding has a leather it's a way that's like a texture it's it's a way that's like a texture it's a way that's like a texture it's not just a shiny plastic tea molding not just a shiny plastic tea molding like so Bravo the last thing I want to like so Bravo the last thing I want to make art was there's so many Easter eggs make art was there's so many Easter eggs oh yes there are so many Easter eggs and oh yes there are so many Easter eggs and for me I couldn't go below an eight at for me I couldn't go below an eight at all because of that bad glass it all because of that bad glass it deserves an A and because of all of the deserves an A and because of all of the all the little Easter eggs in there the all the little Easter eggs in there the attributes to who'd am really studying attributes to who'd am really studying the research the details of that I very the research the details of that I very much appreciate just like for example much appreciate just like for example I'll give you guys one if you guys look I'll give you guys one if you guys look at the safe up there the safe says red at the safe up there the safe says red lab company it's the safe company right lab company it's the safe company right but really what that is is cooler in all but really what that is is cooler in all sir backwards yeah I loved it and just sir backwards yeah I loved it and just because I'm an odd quirky person and I because I'm an odd quirky person and I felt like a lot of people at American to felt like a lot of people at American to my were too my were too yeah I love the monkey everywhere oh yeah I love the monkey everywhere oh yeah monkey has a story yeah we talked yeah monkey has a story yeah we talked about that Cup coming yeah they didn't about that Cup coming yeah they didn't tell we just talked about that yeah yeah tell we just talked about that yeah yeah they didn't really tell us they said they didn't really tell us they said just look it up look it up so Feeny a just look it up look it up so Feeny a monk we got to tell you guys the same monk we got to tell you guys the same thing they're just cute little monkey thing they're just cute little monkey that has a bandage on his junk yeah that has a bandage on his junk yeah right and he pops up he pops up a little right and he pops up he pops up a little bit everywhere yeah you can't go look bit everywhere yeah you can't go look it's it's a lot it's kind of a fun it's it's it's a lot it's kind of a fun it's it's a lot it's kind of a fun it's like Where's Waldo but where's the the like Where's Waldo but where's the the nuts I love it oh he's just there I mean nuts I love it oh he's just there I mean so already he's got a bandage all right so already he's got a bandage all right so you're to be plus I'm gonna a - last so you're to be plus I'm gonna a - last thing I'll say is those hands just that thing I'll say is those hands just that sinister look on Houdini's face whenever sinister look on Houdini's face whenever yeah and then the magnets magnets yeah and then the magnets magnets curtains for me let's move on to shots curtains for me let's move on to shots and layout this is a job ulcer design and layout this is a job ulcer design job also were the one of the things I job also were the one of the things I like about him is that when you look at like about him is that when you look at his games there's nothing like if you his games there's nothing like if you look at a Steve Ritchie game you cut it look at a Steve Ritchie game you cut it it's a Steve Ritchie you when you look it's a Steve Ritchie you when you look at a job or game you're like that's a at a job or game you're like that's a board design with Joey because I'm gonna board design with Joey because I'm gonna call him Joey's be again call him Joey's be again well Joey but he probably hates I don't well Joey but he probably hates I don't know he him keep Friday feel free to know he him keep Friday feel free to kick him in the face it's right with kick him in the face it's right with ball sir designs he takes risks they're ball sir designs he takes risks they're all little bit different and he took all little bit different and he took risks with this layout as well without a risks with this layout as well without a Whitewood I might add yeah oh yeah that Whitewood I might add yeah oh yeah that was what was impressive to me there was was what was impressive to me there was what was impressive to me there was very little mock-up the time frame like very little mock-up the time frame like Joe just kind of had to go with what he Joe just kind of had to go with what he knew mm-hmm and here the trust is knew mm-hmm and here the trust is experienced yes and say that this shots experienced yes and say that this shots gonna work yeah and we're putting the gonna work yeah and we're putting the damn thing on there and we're gonna pray damn thing on there and we're gonna pray the orbits I love their buttery smooth the orbits I love their buttery smooth and they're kind of they feel they're and they're kind of they feel they're long to their wider longer orbits yeah long to their wider longer orbits yeah they use no fillers that way oh so it's they use no fillers that way oh so it's a it's kind of there's no stop post to a it's kind of there's no stop post to stop your way no it is just you're stop your way no it is just you're cruising through them fast and like you cruising through them fast and like you said it's long so it's it's a it's a said it's long so it's it's a it's a very weird feeling yeah orbit I like very weird feeling yeah orbit I like railway I like the alley shots yeah that railway I like the alley shots yeah that is special I'm not seeing that in him is special I'm not seeing that in him but yeah so the alley shots where you but yeah so the alley shots where you can you can hit them through the pops in can you can hit them through the pops in two directions yes and and that doesn't two directions yes and and that doesn't sound like fun who wants to hit through sound like fun who wants to hit through pops all the time but I gotta tell you I pops all the time but I gotta tell you I like it because it's smooth when you do like it because it's smooth when you do hit it it hits that stage to open it up hit it it hits that stage to open it up and banks it under the gobble hole well and banks it under the gobble hole well then that shot is one of the most then that shot is one of the most amazing shots that I've seen in a long amazing shots that I've seen in a long time especial originality kiss you'll time especial originality kiss you'll see it it you like sex trip to the pops see it it you like sex trip to the pops and here's a target back here the world and here's a target back here the world just to the left of it you hit any it it just to the left of it you hit any it it does like a little veered like a 45 and does like a little veered like a 45 and just a jelly pop yeah into the the stage just a jelly pop yeah into the the stage and then is a unique odd shot because and then is a unique odd shot because when you first play it you don't real when you first play it you don't real understand what that chefs doing you understand what that chefs doing you think it's gonna kind of throw you into think it's gonna kind of throw you into the pops again or something but it it's the pops again or something but it it's just when it goes all the way to that just when it goes all the way to that staging hits it or goes into it yeah it staging hits it or goes into it yeah it feels it feels something yes you're like feels it feels something yes you're like that was cool yes it was cool it just it that was cool yes it was cool it just it like it was like a highway yeah yeah like it was like a highway yeah yeah right to it because I like unexpected right to it because I like unexpected shots and pinball this is Houdini yes shots and pinball this is Houdini yes there are some indirect shots in Houdini there are some indirect shots in Houdini that you cannot hit yeah by a fan layout that you cannot hit yeah by a fan layout yeah you have to Bank you have to hit yeah you have to Bank you have to hit you have to hope for pop action and I do you have to hope for pop action and I do like that that's reminiscent more to like that that's reminiscent more to that 90s yeah eighties nineties kind of that 90s yeah eighties nineties kind of swish they explained it that way they swish they explained it that way they said it kind of had they kind of built said it kind of had they kind of built it to have that 90s feel which I'm a it to have that 90s feel which I'm a huge fan oh yes yes I mean I'm just glad huge fan oh yes yes I mean I'm just glad you don't like dollops you don't like dollops I'm glad like you do love it you do like I'm glad like you do love it you do like them okay well I'm glad that you're that them okay well I'm glad that you're that you really push Sega's over guns yeah I you really push Sega's over guns yeah I do have some taste this friendship would do have some taste this friendship would be over yeah like you said about that be over yeah like you said about that gobble hole like the nice thing about gobble hole like the nice thing about that is it under the ring is it yeah that is it under the ring is it yeah it's under the ramp so it's hidden you it's under the ramp so it's hidden you can't let it's not hit directly because can't let it's not hit directly because it the clear Ram you can see it so it's it the clear Ram you can see it so it's actually kind of magical seeing it hit actually kind of magical seeing it hit because it kind of bangs around there because it kind of bangs around there yeah and then drops and it's cool to see yeah and then drops and it's cool to see that because most people would just hide that because most people would just hide that behind a decal or stare on the that behind a decal or stare on the resources you've never seen it it's just resources you've never seen it it's just the shots there but this actually is the shots there but this actually is more magical to see the show really more magical to see the show really works because it goes down like that works because it goes down like that yeah lay a toilet bowl or something yeah yeah lay a toilet bowl or something yeah lay a toilet bowl or something yeah yeah it's so freaking me let's talk yeah it's so freaking me let's talk about this stage you hit that stage about this stage you hit that stage enough it's gonna the curtains will open enough it's gonna the curtains will open of the stage yes we're not talking about of the stage yes we're not talking about just a scoop in the middle of your play just a scoop in the middle of your play field yeah it opens up yeah you put field yeah it opens up yeah you put Halfmoon yeah you put it into the stage Halfmoon yeah you put it into the stage the stage curtains close yes the stage curtains close yes and when they open again the ball is and when they open again the ball is gone yeah so what that's cool because gone yeah so what that's cool because there's a subway yes that goes with there's a subway yes that goes with shots and layout kind of toys and shots and layout kind of toys and innovation for shots yeah yeah but it's innovation for shots yeah yeah but it's a feel-good kind of shock yeah what a feel-good kind of shock yeah what about the ramp that's the hardest shot about the ramp that's the hardest shot for me to hit besides the milk King yeah for me to hit besides the milk King yeah the ramps pretty tough it's on a weird the ramps pretty tough it's on a weird spot on your it is it's not your normal spot on your it is it's not your normal ramp position yep and which I could ramp position yep and which I could appreciate I can too yeah I like appreciate I can too yeah I like changing it up a bit changing it up a bit yes tight like that that is like ever yes tight like that that is like ever says this game is to tie Greg is it too says this game is to tie Greg is it too tight the shots there to time yes and no tight the shots there to time yes and no in this this is my thought process in my in this this is my thought process in my feeling upon this is yes the shots are feeling upon this is yes the shots are all tight I suppose if you look at them all tight I suppose if you look at them they all look like the same width like they all look like the same width like they're just like tiny the orbits are they're just like tiny the orbits are pretty wide open pretty wide open yeah the orbits oh yeah orbits are you yeah the orbits oh yeah orbits are you use it obviously you're easy to shove it use it obviously you're easy to shove it up your Ally's similar and very tight up your Ally's similar and very tight mm-hmm and when you first throw a game mm-hmm and when you first throw a game or two on there damn this is their or two on there damn this is their standard targets yeah there's targeting standard targets yeah there's targeting you brick the bricks don't feel bad like you brick the bricks don't feel bad like some other games like I'm a big fan of some other games like I'm a big fan of giant Amana Kubrick a lot on Johnny giant Amana Kubrick a lot on Johnny because Johnny's got some tight shots because Johnny's got some tight shots yeah but it feels very brick and kind of yeah but it feels very brick and kind of frustrating this when you get a rejected frustrating this when you get a rejected shot shot it doesn't feel horrible something's it doesn't feel horrible something's actually kind of smooth about them does actually kind of smooth about them does that make sense and yeah like it's not that make sense and yeah like it's not bad bad it says brand-new yeah but once you once it says brand-new yeah but once you once you get a feeling for the shot so give you get a feeling for the shot so give me a demo man like I bought demo man and me a demo man like I bought demo man and I is wide open as those shots are I was I is wide open as those shots are I was like this bastard ain't got any flow I like this bastard ain't got any flow I can't hit a damn shot like my first can't hit a damn shot like my first couple games right on and now watching couple games right on and now watching you know yeah you can't air well unless you know yeah you can't air well unless you're streaming yeah I mean you suck you're streaming yeah I mean you suck man it sucks but but normally yes you man it sucks but but normally yes you can throw down some great flow on ya you can throw down some great flow on ya you nessa way this game is that doesn't have nessa way this game is that doesn't have flow per se yeah but I'm seeing of flow per se yeah but I'm seeing of learning the shots learning the shots they're very doable and they're very they're very doable and they're very doable and they're very satisfying it's just learning them and satisfying it's just learning them and it's actually more impressive because it's actually more impressive because they look so tight and the fact that you they look so tight and the fact that you can hit them gives me a little bit can hit them gives me a little bit better feeling yeah absolutely I love better feeling yeah absolutely I love all right I think for Houdini everybody all right I think for Houdini everybody out there says it's too tight we got to out there says it's too tight we got to stop talking about that there's tighter stop talking about that there's tighter machines out there that have been machines out there that have been released in the last year we're done released in the last year we're done with the hole too tight because they're with the hole too tight because they're not too tight the ramp is on a different not too tight the ramp is on a different spot on the flipper so it's kind of spot on the flipper so it's kind of tough to hit but when you hit it it's tough to hit but when you hit it it's repeatable yeah you can backhand the way repeatable yeah you can backhand the way everybody complains about that it's the everybody complains about that it's the left of the right orbit that loads your left of the right orbit that loads your catapult yes everybody complains about catapult yes everybody complains about that I hit that thing more times I do that I hit that thing more times I do probably any other shot yeah that's probably any other shot yeah that's you backhand it for God's anytime you you backhand it for God's anytime you backhand it for God's anytime you come back he and a shot it's not tight come back he and a shot it's not tight in my opinion so we're done with the in my opinion so we're done with the tightness thing there the alley passes tightness thing there the alley passes once you've got those down they're not once you've got those down they're not tight you know what is tight that damn tight you know what is tight that damn milk can shot no but it's supposed to be milk can shot no but it's supposed to be tough because it's in charge of your tough because it's in charge of your multipliers and yes like Josh Kugler multipliers and yes like Josh Kugler said he said you know multipliers are said he said you know multipliers are gonna be for more experienced players so gonna be for more experienced players so he'll make it tough yeah so bowls are he'll make it tough yeah so bowls are made that tough ah it's not tight it's made that tough ah it's not tight it's very satisfying I meant an a - four very satisfying I meant an a - four shots and I'm gonna be plus and I would shots and I'm gonna be plus and I would have went higher but I do i I do think have went higher but I do i I do think the shots are a [ __ ] goop is perfect I the shots are a [ __ ] goop is perfect I think the shots are a bit too tight but think the shots are a bit too tight but I don't I haven't had I don't see it I don't I haven't had I don't see it I've had time on it but not a ton of I've had time on it but not a ton of time and maybe with just a little bit time and maybe with just a little bit more time it wouldn't affect me at all more time it wouldn't affect me at all but it affects me just a little bit to but it affects me just a little bit to why that I couldn't go into the a and I why that I couldn't go into the a and I had to stay at a b-plus okay you didn't had to stay at a b-plus okay you didn't you were getting frustrated with once you were getting frustrated with once that stage open opens it's not a direct that stage open opens it's not a direct shot no it's not it seems like you would shot no it's not it seems like you would think you can get it up here and you think you can get it up here and you might rim in and out like a basketball might rim in and out like a basketball yes yeah and you know I particularly yes yeah and you know I particularly enjoyed that I think that is a cool enjoyed that I think that is a cool little bit I'm okay with that because I little bit I'm okay with that because I could get it up there it's just maybe could get it up there it's just maybe other rain to hug maybe I'm looking for other rain to hug maybe I'm looking for more flow it's more of a stop and go more flow it's more of a stop and go it isn't very I've told people it's a it isn't very I've told people it's a shooter it's a mode based stop and go shooter it's a mode based stop and go just like here I mean this is your ball just like here I mean this is your ball sir we've got Wizard of Oz yeah I got sir we've got Wizard of Oz yeah I got Simpsons pinball part yeah oh the Simpsons pinball part yeah oh the various obscure but this has more flow various obscure but this has more flow than Simpsons yes a lot more flow than than Simpsons yes a lot more flow than Simpsons yes a lot more flow than Sims and dare I say a lot more flow than Sims and dare I say a lot more flow than Wizard of Oz I honestly don't see how Wizard of Oz I honestly don't see how you could like either one of those games you could like either one of those games are not like this yeah because this are not like this yeah because this feels I always tell myself it's kinda feels I always tell myself it's kinda like a mini Wallace yeah it's like a like a mini Wallace yeah it's like a mini Wallace yeah it's like a mini woz but it doesn't feels tight as mini woz but it doesn't feels tight as Wallace and it's a standard and woz is a Wallace and it's a standard and woz is a wide-body yeah it's all you guys have to wide-body yeah it's all you guys have to play this it's and put you some games on play this it's and put you some games on it because the you first get up to the it because the you first get up to the same start shooting and clunking around same start shooting and clunking around on it because you don't have those shots on it because you don't have those shots down you're gonna think it's tight but down you're gonna think it's tight but you know what it could fall into the you know what it could fall into the same thing I'm just like having a stick same thing I'm just like having a stick a dollar in like the same reason that I a dollar in like the same reason that I wouldn't play wise like yeah it's fantastic pin but to be on located ollars - to get accustomed to it located ollars - to get accustomed to it is a little fresh this thing deserves is a little fresh this thing deserves five dollars on location I agree yeah five dollars on location I agree yeah it'll be good pick this up and I feel it'll be good pick this up and I feel better better a lot quicker on this than what I did a lot quicker on this than what I did was loss I still feel like I'm trying was loss I still feel like I'm trying but this here again five to ten games but this here again five to ten games yeah I'm I'm feeling they're like little yeah I'm I'm feeling they're like little hidden in Lane or the milk cans of the hidden in Lane or the milk cans of the in like who else fast yeah and I can in like who else fast yeah and I can play the game after that like I feel play the game after that like I feel comfortable that I could do something comfortable that I could do something with it yeah it's a very smooth game with it yeah it's a very smooth game once you get it rolling very smooth I once you get it rolling very smooth I like it yeah okay let's move on to rules like it yeah okay let's move on to rules so I'm gonna a - own rule a - and agree so I'm gonna a - own rule a - and agree that's good yeah that's good and you that's good yeah that's good and you know why that's good because the one know why that's good because the one thing I will say about this the the thing I will say about this the the structure and the foundation of the structure and the foundation of the rules you guys you will see if you're rules you guys you will see if you're watching this early 2018 this will be a watching this early 2018 this will be a contender in the award show now cheers contender in the award show now cheers oh the rules are freaking superb I the oh the rules are freaking superb I the layout is superb of those rules the layout is superb of those rules the foundation I cannot give it an A or an foundation I cannot give it an A or an A+ because it's got bugs yeah it does A+ because it's got bugs yeah it does have bugs have bugs um and granted I was one of the first um and granted I was one of the first ones in the world with this I expected ones in the world with this I expected that I was fine but the good thing is that I was fine but the good thing is what we've got is Josh Kugler who what we've got is Josh Kugler who communicates better as an industry communicates better as an industry professional and pinball than anybody professional and pinball than anybody yeah so you've got somebody that's going yeah so you've got somebody that's going to work this thing out I just got some to work this thing out I just got some bug change and what did Josh say to us bug change and what did Josh say to us uh I can't remember it was in that uh I can't remember it was in that overview or not when josh says like we overview or not when josh says like we asked him you asked him what was the asked him you asked him what was the code at right now is it their point yeah code at right now is it their point yeah Eidos is never at 100% yeah he said you Eidos is never at 100% yeah he said you can't fix a game okay never be 100 I'll can't fix a game okay never be 100 I'll say when he gets too tired but he gets say when he gets too tired but he gets too tired to mess with it anymore and I too tired to mess with it anymore and I like that respond is that isn't honest like that respond is that isn't honest oh yeah you can't rate I don't think oh yeah you can't rate I don't think he's not close to being tired of that he's not close to being tired of that thing no he wants to talk about that thing no he wants to talk about that thing he's like the guy that will talk thing he's like the guy that will talk and talk and talking like okay I love it and talk and talking like okay I love it as much as you do yeah I'm with you as much as you do yeah I'm with you buddy you want to convince me and you buddy you want to convince me and you know what else it's not know what else it's not it's not walking dead code for me but it it's not walking dead code for me but it is it is deep mm-hmm it has a lot of is it is deep mm-hmm it has a lot of complex idiom but it's easily learn complex idiom but it's easily learn about because all your shots I feel when about because all your shots I feel when you're in a moat or something are easily you're in a moat or something are easily distinguishable all color coded all distinguishable all color coded all color coded you hit the flashing shots color coded you hit the flashing shots and then you get a status that kind of and then you get a status that kind of clearly tells you yes so I and some of clearly tells you yes so I and some of the other things multipliers and things the other things multipliers and things you got to just kind of pay attention to you got to just kind of pay attention to you learn like norm yeah but as of in you learn like norm yeah but as of in modes and everything they're very simple modes and everything they're very simple in the understanding and they'll tell in the understanding and they'll tell you tell you what to do and I like you tell you what to do and I like having that that what seems like having that that what seems like simplicity mixed with debt mm-hm again simplicity mixed with debt mm-hm again that 90s kind of that's what he was that 90s kind of that's what he was going for the nineties feel on steroids going for the nineties feel on steroids yes yeah it feels like a 90s D&D on yes yeah it feels like a 90s D&D on steroids it's like somebody would have steroids it's like somebody would have released this freaking phenomenally released this freaking phenomenally coded amazing game in the 90s yeah they coded amazing game in the 90s yeah they would have done it for this you know would have done it for this you know what I'm saying it's still pretty what I'm saying it's still pretty marvelous now yeah it's set up for marvelous now yeah it's set up for novices intermediate players yeah I novices intermediate players yeah I don't and for experts that is very good don't and for experts that is very good to meet a very across the board to meet a very across the board everybody can either run on it you hit everybody can either run on it you hit novices are gonna hit those stand up novices are gonna hit those stand up targets enough to start seance multi targets enough to start seance multiball with Matt Yanks okay that's a ball with Matt Yanks okay that's a winner yeah winner yeah intermediate players like us understand intermediate players like us understand there's ten main modes there's five film there's ten main modes there's five film modes there's five jail hurry ups okay modes there's five jail hurry ups okay I've got it if I can complete some of I've got it if I can complete some of those I like Houdini's letters if I hit those I like Houdini's letters if I hit the ramp enough time I get some letter the ramp enough time I get some letter if I get the magic shop enough time I if I get the magic shop enough time I get letters okay but then the expert get letters okay but then the expert will say okay I need to stack yeah I will say okay I need to stack yeah I need to stack on mode I'll start my need to stack on mode I'll start my seance but then I'll get that secret seance but then I'll get that secret mission combo mode going I'll get those mission combo mode going I'll get those multipliers get my two three four times multipliers get my two three four times X and then I'll utilize it so it's got a X and then I'll utilize it so it's got a little bit for everybody it does yeah little bit for everybody it does yeah it's fun and I would love to see how it's fun and I would love to see how long it's gonna take for somebody to long it's gonna take for somebody to legitimately know [ __ ] rules where legitimately know [ __ ] rules where you make everything easy but to get to you make everything easy but to get to that master magician mode where you have that master magician mode where you have to light all Houdini letters yeah stuff to light all Houdini letters yeah stuff again that it's it's that length and again that it's it's that length and complexity to it that that is means it's complexity to it that that is means it's not what everybody's complaining about I not what everybody's complaining about I don't want to don't want to here here but what people complain about here here but what people complain about say something like guardians which I say something like guardians which I love - guardians is a very much here's love - guardians is a very much here's your 10 modes open them up you get to a your 10 modes open them up you get to a mini wizard complete immediate - master mini wizard complete immediate - master wizard mode okay that bugs people that wizard mode okay that bugs people that really bugs people what people love like really bugs people what people love like myself like when I see the shadow and I myself like when I see the shadow and I see America's most haunted did a good see America's most haunted did a good job of that Lord of the Rings does a job of that Lord of the Rings does a spectacular job they say here's your spectacular job they say here's your mode that's fine get through those we're mode that's fine get through those we're only going to give you one part of that only going to give you one part of that wizard mode yeah you've got to get that wizard mode yeah you've got to get that you've got to get this you've got to get you've got to get this you've got to get this you've got to get this one and it's and yeah together you this one and it's and yeah together you have to get all of it to get to that have to get all of it to get to that master wizard so it's like Walking Dead master wizard so it's like Walking Dead where you know yeah just go for modes where you know yeah just go for modes you can go for your combos did it that you can go for your combos did it that letter or that weapon letter or that weapon yeah you can go for anything so I he's a yeah you can go for anything so I he's a little bit like Walking Dead and I little bit like Walking Dead and I series with you but with a 90s little series with you but with a 90s little basic flare I agree let's move on what basic flare I agree let's move on what hold up is there anything else before we hold up is there anything else before we move on in rules that I really like man move on in rules that I really like man it's just a solid one I know what's it's just a solid one I know what's coming coming yeah we'll talk about it later yeah we'll talk about it later toys and you know what the video was sad toys and you know what the video was sad like I love making these videos I really like I love making these videos I really do and I did somewhat enjoy you coming do and I did somewhat enjoy you coming over but he lies he begs for me to come over but he lies he begs for me to come over oh yeah over oh yeah please Green please but right now I'd please Green please but right now I'd rather play that I really really enjoy rather play that I really really enjoy some innovation it's nae plus I gotta some innovation it's nae plus I gotta keep this thing wait a minute what did keep this thing wait a minute what did you give it oh I can't rape listen yet you give it oh I can't rape listen yet we've got to move on on toys and we've got to move on on toys and innovation because we could literally innovation because we could literally they speak for themselves right they're they speak for themselves right they're unbelievable there are more toys and unbelievable there are more toys and gimmicks in this now then stir Noah you gimmicks in this now then stir Noah you know it's not in Jersey J I mean it's up know it's not in Jersey J I mean it's up there with Jersey jack stuff in these there with Jersey jack stuff in these magnets uh during your normal play or magnets uh during your normal play or not it's not just multiple it's not not it's not just multiple it's not it's not just multiple it's not erratic magnets that are gonna just erratic magnets that are gonna just screw over there a nice they're magic screw over there a nice they're magic they're very early they're a very it's they're very early they're a very it's almost like a magician's hands slide and almost like a magician's hands slide and of where that it's it's very the matte of where that it's it's very the matte angry no yes angry no yes angry magnets there Oh my magnet I love angry magnets there Oh my magnet I love them maybe a little twirl a little toss them maybe a little twirl a little toss it's enough to take you by surprise but it's enough to take you by surprise but nothing enough where you just want to nothing enough where you just want to reach in and rip them is out no I want reach in and rip them is out no I want to get a shirt that says they're not to get a shirt that says they're not angry man yes they're ballet magnet angry man yes they're ballet magnet belly that's a good point though you're belly that's a good point though you're not just gonna see the magnets during not just gonna see the magnets during multiball if you those magic targets multiball if you those magic targets that's part of the rules yeah it'll spot that's part of the rules yeah it'll spot you if you're in a mode it will spot you you if you're in a mode it will spot you if you're in a mode it will spot you shot yeah yeah kind of like you're and shot yeah yeah kind of like you're and it's fluid I don't like your theater it's fluid I don't like your theater imagine it's a very much is it kind of imagine it's a very much is it kind of drone like and dialed in yeah but no drone like and dialed in yeah but no drone kind of whips yeah it's kind of drone kind of whips yeah it's kind of whip this isn't a whip it's not like I whip this isn't a whip it's not like I said whirly yeah it's not fast and said whirly yeah it's not fast and furious it's worthy I like it all right furious it's worthy I like it all right so toys and innovation you Greg so toys and innovation you Greg we have a catapult that throws the ball we have a catapult that throws the ball up the entire play field into a trunk up the entire play field into a trunk yeah and mine hasn't missed yet no it's yeah and mine hasn't missed yet no it's not and I've heard that from a lot of not and I've heard that from a lot of people once it's doubt it you're good to people once it's doubt it you're good to go you're there now for all those go you're there now for all those Houdini owners that you're gonna buy a Houdini owners that you're gonna buy a Houdini after this review for all those Houdini after this review for all those people Joe Balcer did say whenever you people Joe Balcer did say whenever you get into your home every voltage is get into your home every voltage is different effective just a little bit so different effective just a little bit so he said once you dial it in it's really he said once you dial it in it's really easy the setups all visual and it's just easy the setups all visual and it's just a coil you go up or down but he said you a coil you go up or down but he said you know move it up one or down one based on know move it up one or down one based on if it's going to order - yeah Donald in if it's going to order - yeah Donald in you're good to go and that's truly I had you're good to go and that's truly I had to up mine I think to vary each to up mine I think to vary each candidate there's two kind of popes Greg candidate there's two kind of popes Greg now shoots it the first catapult school now shoots it the first catapult school because it makes a spectacle you hit it because it makes a spectacle you hit it a [ __ ] then hits it like a Rube Goldberg a [ __ ] then hits it like a Rube Goldberg and then it goes to Google and the flash and then it goes to Google and the flash hold the flash flash on the trunk and he hold the flash flash on the trunk and he goes yeah and it throws it yeah I like goes yeah and it throws it yeah I like it all and then it can go either into it all and then it can go either into the second catapult to go into a wire the second catapult to go into a wire form or it can trapdoor can drop it into form or it can trapdoor can drop it into a subway and it comes out and most a subway and it comes out and most wouldn't consider the pops to be a toy wouldn't consider the pops to be a toy they are consider they are consider two acres went back le creation mo fan - two acres went back le creation mo fan - yeah it's fantastic and to me it's kind yeah it's fantastic and to me it's kind of the star of the the pen like in a of the star of the the pen like in a sense like the catapult school and it sense like the catapult school and it works becoming your main felt theater works becoming your main felt theater and everything there's so much cool [ __ ] and everything there's so much cool [ __ ] yeah that whole area up there is some of yeah that whole area up there is some of the most fantastic stuff I've seen in a the most fantastic stuff I've seen in a pinball commotion it's so neat the way pinball commotion it's so neat the way that that's designed and laid out up that that's designed and laid out up there yeah it's all integrated video there yeah it's all integrated video very much so but yeah the hot bumpers very much so but yeah the hot bumpers are cool because you could they could are cool because you could they could have copped out like some people and have copped out like some people and just did a flat or plastic in the middle just did a flat or plastic in the middle moves it would let spin ball do it but moves it would let spin ball do it but this is individual all of them shift up this is individual all of them shift up and down and they have chains on the and down and they have chains on the locks you didn't just put locks but then locks you didn't just put locks but then you put your chance of those rattle you put your chance of those rattle around there's three different locks around there's three different locks it's not the same thing it's three it's not the same thing it's three different molded LA and again in degrees different molded LA and again in degrees the playfield yeah integration down at the playfield yeah integration down at the bottom you'll see locks those are the bottom you'll see locks those are the same locks that are physically on the same locks that are physically on and that's what they got a pulled it and that's what they got a pulled it from and said that's what we need to do from and said that's what we need to do so I mean there was a lot of thought so I mean there was a lot of thought again that's one of those things in and again that's one of those things in and maybe it's because we don't get to see a maybe it's because we don't get to see a lot of behind the scenes on some of lot of behind the scenes on some of these but the the enthusiasm and the these but the the enthusiasm and the thought and the revisions and the work thought and the revisions and the work that when it's such a short amount of that when it's such a short amount of time time so what else with toys in the innovation so what else with toys in the innovation we got the catapult we got the other we got the catapult we got the other catapult we got the screen on screen up catapult we got the screen on screen up there what do you think about the size there what do you think about the size of that screen we talked about a little of that screen we talked about a little bit before but uh in the transit back bit before but uh in the transit back light stop the trains light Bangla made light stop the trains light Bangla made a good money to get back again I think a good money to get back again I think it's fantastic it's it looks like it's fantastic it's it looks like curtains beautiful and they put the art curtains beautiful and they put the art over the LCD yeah so like what we talked over the LCD yeah so like what we talked about with art yeah it's it's it's all about with art yeah it's it's it's all fantastic man we had the toy that we fantastic man we had the toy that we could go around innovation but you guys could go around innovation but you guys sell it yourself yeah that's um an A+ A+ sell it yourself yeah that's um an A+ A+ this is one of the most loaded machines this is one of the most loaded machines in pimble I agree what the most in pimble I agree what the most controversial area of the pit music and controversial area of the pit music and call-outs call-outs music can call out okay so music and music can call out okay so music and call us what are the complaints we're call us what are the complaints we're hearing I'm hearing it's verbose yeah hearing I'm hearing it's verbose yeah this pin talks to you a lot yes it's not this pin talks to you a lot yes it's not just hit the little it's listen to what just hit the little it's listen to what they tell you that yes they tell you that yes and that was at Expo the Chicago it was and that was at Expo the Chicago it was the very first time I'd really had to the very first time I'd really had to play and that that was my chief play and that that was my chief complaint was like yeah I got a set complaint was like yeah I got a set through listening to this I just want to through listening to this I just want to play this pinball machines Wow we'll play this pinball machines Wow we'll have with the long-winded role now of have with the long-winded role now of the main yeah yeah oh yeah I do too yeah the main yeah yeah oh yeah I do too yeah but like Josh said cuz that was one of but like Josh said cuz that was one of the you you skip it just like any other the you you skip it just like any other long two buttons are good anything you long two buttons are good anything you skip it and you're on the play and like skip it and you're on the play and like it's now right now I will say right now it's now right now I will say right now the film modes when you start those up the film modes when you start those up it does teach you about Houdini so you it does teach you about Houdini so you don't you can't skip through those yeah don't you can't skip through those yeah but all the main modes and stuff like it but all the main modes and stuff like it you skip right through it yes yes and you skip right through it yes yes and you can change them and setting settings you can change them and setting settings if it's too wordy for you you can tone if it's too wordy for you you can tone it down yeah in settings done guys like it down yeah in settings done guys like yeah so that again no more complain you yeah so that again no more complain you know that's me it's not a problem know that's me it's not a problem yeah now you can and I guess we should yeah now you can and I guess we should have went with maybe art and stuff in have went with maybe art and stuff in this but we'll throw in music and call this but we'll throw in music and call outs but that and we might with the new outs but that and we might with the new DM DS or with the new LCDs instead we DM DS or with the new LCDs instead we might have to add a new category of might have to add a new category of animations yeah because you know one animations yeah because you know one cool fact whenever you start seance cool fact whenever you start seance multiball you guys probably don't know multiball you guys probably don't know this you've got this ghoul up on the this you've got this ghoul up on the screen yeah and I called it a ghoul and screen yeah and I called it a ghoul and Josh said you know what that's actually Josh said you know what that's actually Houdini's mother how cool is that he Houdini's mother how cool is that he said go ahead and google Houdini's said go ahead and google Houdini's mother he said look at her face that's mother he said look at her face that's that's the same stuff so mean how but that's the same stuff so mean how but how cool is that that they did their how cool is that that they did their homework enough to have them do you not homework enough to have them do you not more woman self I don't know who these more woman self I don't know who these mom haunting me Houdini is gonna haunt mom haunting me Houdini is gonna haunt you there's a lot of times in this that you there's a lot of times in this that it is a creepy eerie sounding it is in it is a creepy eerie sounding it is in even the vocals yeah it went for that even the vocals yeah it went for that old-school station because I mean they old-school station because I mean they were lit with lamps and stuff they were lit with lamps and stuff they they're like it was a boy burning on they're like it was a boy burning on weird time and I think that they weird time and I think that they captured that the animations being very captured that the animations being very weird Oh in there eerie because they're weird Oh in there eerie because they're choppy like a ventriloquist dummy choppy like a ventriloquist dummy amounts and I don't know cuz old amounts and I don't know cuz old complaint seems to be like that they complaint seems to be like that they just didn't their child technology and just didn't their child technology and didn't understand what they were doing didn't understand what they were doing but to me and maybe I'm just freaking but to me and maybe I'm just freaking wrong wrong to me it's it that's the best personal to me it's it that's the best personal yeah that's what they went for like yeah that's what they went for like obviously they were that you can't mess obviously they were that you can't mess animations up to that yeah that's true animations up to that yeah that's true I wasn't trying to defend it there was a I wasn't trying to defend it there was a guy on pen side that was like I was guy on pen side that was like I was chopping stuff and I said think about chopping stuff and I said think about that this theme think about Houdini and that this theme think about Houdini and some of the content of this what would some of the content of this what would you do different you do different yeah you know we're responses he gave me yeah you know we're responses he gave me he didn't know cuz you can't because you he didn't know cuz you can't because you don't want anything off blowing cartoon don't want anything off blowing cartoon you don't want something like dialed in you don't want something like dialed in with these rolling no back in the night beautiful fun think is even film was just choppy yeah in everything it's cool just choppy yeah in everything it's cool it is in the call-outs I kiss his whole it is in the call-outs I kiss his whole announcing boy even Houdini yes it's announcing boy even Houdini yes it's like he's really and he mocks you like he's really and he mocks you yes message like nerds ask you shots yes message like nerds ask you shots yeah I love that I watch The Prestige yeah I love that I watch The Prestige the other night because it was just I the other night because it was just I was in the mood for it I'd watch this was in the mood for it I'd watch this thing on Tesla never is a prestige and thing on Tesla never is a prestige and I've got the same sense because it was I've got the same sense because it was sort of around that era then they were sort of around that era then they were you know when magic was big and yeah you know when magic was big and yeah yeah some great magicians and it it yeah some great magicians and it it encompassed that same feel Oh does that encompassed that same feel Oh does that feel like that's that just doing Punk'd feel like that's that just doing Punk'd industrial like yeah like mechanics because you know what back then people really thought it was sorcery really really thought it was sorcery really thought it was sorcery really believed in this magic stuff they believed in this magic stuff they thought yeah I don't trust this yeah thought yeah I don't trust this yeah that's what that's what this game well I that's what that's what this game well I just don't think they did got got it just don't think they did got got it wrong I can understand where people were wrong I can understand where people were coming from with it and and unless I coming from with it and and unless I gave it a b-minus I score a house gave it a b-minus I score a house although I just were low low because it although I just were low low because it is quirky but I don't think that they is quirky but I don't think that they did wrong it's just maybe not my taste did wrong it's just maybe not my taste but like you said when you said but like you said when you said something to that guy I can't tell you something to that guy I can't tell you what I would have done different you what I would have done different you know like I can't at all in the more know like I can't at all in the more about this everybody's better I feel the about this everybody's better I feel the ghoulish giggles I love that and I think that it's just I love that and I think that it's just I think that it's very good but you think that it's very good but you overlook it because you're concentrating overlook it because you're concentrating on the game you like to count down colas on the game you like to count down colas a lot of people complaining about no I a lot of people complaining about no I don't think it's tier 5 for like IC don't think it's tier 5 for like IC because then I'm pumped it doesn't mean because then I'm pumped it doesn't mean I need to go it's actually kind of I need to go it's actually kind of screws you up which is up to Jason yes screws you up which is up to Jason yes psychological a lot of psychological psychological a lot of psychological a lot of psychological little tricks staging on this game your little tricks staging on this game your psychological the put the ball one spot psychological the put the ball one spot but they've already got one loaded so to but they've already got one loaded so to be oh yeah things like wait yeah where's be oh yeah things like wait yeah where's that going I'm at at a - and I'll tell that going I'm at at a - and I'll tell you why because the main guy's voice you why because the main guy's voice Houdini Houdini because when I turned on this game Greg because when I turned on this game Greg the first time unboxed it turned it on the first time unboxed it turned it on he says Houdini's in the house yeah come he says Houdini's in the house yeah come on it's I think it teases itself it is on it's I think it teases itself it is lighthearted it's fun but it's still odd lighthearted it's fun but it's still odd and Courtney Ann's yeah and dare I say and Courtney Ann's yeah and dare I say this music it's like it it's like a this music it's like it it's like a techno steam that's on scene the more techno steam that's on scene the more that you listen to it and you pay that you listen to it and you pay attention to it dude the music editor it attention to it dude the music editor it feels and the better it is it's actually feels and the better it is it's actually it's actually a lot more going on sound it's actually a lot more going on sound wise than what you think because I think wise than what you think because I think some of its overshadowed by the some of its overshadowed by the mcountdown different things that really mcountdown different things that really stand out there's just things that don't stand out there's just things that don't seem that people are gonna bury people seem that people are gonna bury people are gonna kill me for this I'm gonna get are gonna kill me for this I'm gonna get some hate but the main theme and score some hate but the main theme and score of this for me oh my god don't say for of this for me oh my god don't say for me Greg I know it's so right there with me Greg I know it's so right there with TNA's main theme I'm telling you man I TNA's main theme I'm telling you man I will say hate mail can be addressed yeah will say hate mail can be addressed yeah I just love the feel of that score I just love the feel of that score but I will say Tina's better and it is but I will say Tina's better and it is okay okay no no hey needed there because Denise no no hey needed there because Denise ease work of TNA's just I was listening ease work of TNA's just I was listening to it in the car the other day when he to it in the car the other day when he claimed hey Morris Scott on listening to claimed hey Morris Scott on listening to his music in my car that's his music in my car that's listen to pinball music but if you'd listen to pinball music but if you'd rather listen to Houdini soundtrack and rather listen to Houdini soundtrack and have that no I said it was not good as have that no I said it was not good as good as teenage but I'm saying the good as teenage but I'm saying the musical score that's where you love is musical score that's where you love is not forgettable it does not forget it is not forgettable it does not forget it is not forget it is okay and I'm busting not forget it is okay and I'm busting Zach's balls what he said is completely Zach's balls what he said is completely ludicrous but at the same time I sort of ludicrous but at the same time I sort of agree with what you're saying like if agree with what you're saying like if you really listen that scored you know I you really listen that scored you know I think it's over sheds clomping yeah it's think it's over sheds clomping yeah it's pretty cool I just picture hydraulic pretty cool I just picture hydraulic pumps and a picture of people banging pumps and a picture of people banging hammers on stuff but it's out that's me hammers on stuff but it's out that's me it really is nice no you know what that it really is nice no you know what that person right there is gonna agree with person right there is gonna agree with me and they're gonna say that's one of me and they're gonna say that's one of the main reasons I bought Houdini the main reasons I bought Houdini because I love that score Angus nice theme so magic does magic and pinball go well together yeah it sure does I think well together yeah it sure does I think it's really when you think of magic what it's really when you think of magic what do you think of you probably think of do you think of you probably think of David Copperfield no Lance Burton dude David Copperfield no Lance Burton dude I'm sorry all the Lance Burton fans up I'm sorry all the Lance Burton fans up there I went to his Vegas show was it there I went to his Vegas show was it here that the shittiest to show I've here that the shittiest to show I've ever seen in my entire life he's like a ever seen in my entire life he's like a local guy who's a Kentucky fella I'm local guy who's a Kentucky fella I'm sorry Lance Burton this guy had the sorry Lance Burton this guy had the shittiest show ever great it was it felt shittiest show ever great it was it felt twenty years this is my mini review it twenty years this is my mini review it felt twenty years old it looked like he felt twenty years old it looked like he was so sick and tired of doing this well was so sick and tired of doing this well it was hokey it was corny I almost saw a it was hokey it was corny I almost saw a forklift lift the clora forklift lift the clora I mean come on it was magic he's really I mean come on it was magic he's really progressed and didn't such as they felt progressed and didn't such as they felt like a leg natives like and his stuff is like a leg natives like and his stuff is very much the David Copperfield kind of very much the David Copperfield kind of feel and everything we're showing Vegas feel and everything we're showing Vegas sorry so when we're thinking about when sorry so when we're thinking about when we're thinking about Vegas shows I'm we're thinking about Vegas shows I'm thinking about Penn & Teller no but in thinking about Penn & Teller no but in general magic magic goes great with general magic magic goes great with pinball it does well in magic still pinball it does well in magic still Magic's not the forefront that it was Magic's not the forefront that it was years ago it still has a very large years ago it still has a very large following following and I still think it's dated around the and I still think it's dated around the same time as pinball yep very much is same time as pinball yep very much is that is very true that you don't see the that is very true that you don't see the magic specials anymore really they're magic specials anymore really they're varied illusions five greatest varied illusions five greatest illusionist and all this so unlike illusionist and all this so unlike pinball I don't think magic is making a pinball I don't think magic is making a comeback I think it could with the CG comeback I think it could with the CG stuff's not rank this CGI and stuff I stuff's not rank this CGI and stuff I just people don't trust it now people just people don't trust it now people know that you can make anything look know that you can make anything look like they need yeah but if you see a lot like they need yeah but if you see a lot look at the volume guy that's the look at the volume guy that's the majority of your magic so yeah I mean majority of your magic so yeah I mean you know did anybody believe about the you know did anybody believe about the freaking movement of the elephant freaking movement of the elephant everything to begin with and that there everything to begin with and that there wouldn't you know yeah some of the David wouldn't you know yeah some of the David Blaine [ __ ] everything theme wise and Blaine [ __ ] everything theme wise and regardless whether you like magic or not regardless whether you like magic or not it's Houdini ancestors to work its ass it's Houdini ancestors to work its ass neatly we've got some cool we have some neatly we've got some cool we have some cool seventies pinball machines I think cool seventies pinball machines I think abracadabra there's hocus-pocus there's abracadabra there's hocus-pocus there's there's some cool magical very classical there's some cool magical very classical themes we've got Theatre of Magic themes we've got Theatre of Magic fantastic thing the trill not deep a fantastic thing the trill not deep a fantastic fantastic game we've got fantastic fantastic game we've got pinball magic mm-hmm very gimmicky yes pinball magic mm-hmm very gimmicky yes not the deepest code very gimmicky are not the deepest code very gimmicky are there any other magic games is this the there any other magic games is this the best magic pinball machine I think it best magic pinball machine I think it could be easily well I think better than could be easily well I think better than it right I think it right I think watch this I'm gonna prove a point I'm watch this I'm gonna prove a point I'm laying the groundwork right now hang in laying the groundwork right now hang in here guys what I can't really name it here guys what I can't really name it like I love the look of Theatre of magic like I love the look of Theatre of magic when you really do that and you get it when you really do that and you get it looking nice I like the theater of looking nice I like the theater of magical I know I go to the mix ugly as magical I know I go to the mix ugly as translight and pinball yeah but I like translight and pinball yeah but I like that I like the gimmicks in there and that I like the gimmicks in there and everything love them I can't say that it everything love them I can't say that it beats I like the code yeah and it's not beats I like the code yeah and it's not very deep yeah but I can't say it beats what would you rather have right now this or theorem is things easily I'm not this or theorem is things easily I'm not trying to get on top my car today okay trying to get on top my car today okay this is in my opinion the best magic this is in my opinion the best magic themed pinball machine not only because themed pinball machine not only because it is the the best done is it better it is the the best done is it better than theater or magic it is I do think than theater or magic it is I do think it's it's other than bitter imagine guys I do other than bitter imagine guys I do think so mm-hmm think so mm-hmm I like theater I know so uh uh what I I like theater I know so uh uh what I like theater I know so uh uh what I was gonna say is not only is it the best was gonna say is not only is it the best one but it encapsulate the the guy that one but it encapsulate the the guy that you know with magics Houdini why is it you know with magics Houdini why is it mole sir was like why didn't anybody mole sir was like why didn't anybody ever do this if you're making a magic ever do this if you're making a magic pin why not the number one central pin why not the number one central character in magic Houdini character in magic Houdini very true maybe they just didn't know very true maybe they just didn't know what to do with it how to convey it but what to do with it how to convey it but yeah like all the seance stuff like yeah like all the seance stuff like that's the thing too is that he was into that's the thing too is that he was into this [ __ ] historically yeah because well this [ __ ] historically yeah because well he what he did was he called out these he what he did was he called out these yeah psychics that's right like that was yeah psychics that's right like that was one of his main missions like he hated one of his main missions like he hated that it's wrapped like that they were that it's wrapped like that they were they were pulling tricks on people for they were pulling tricks on people for money but yeah making them believe and money but yeah making them believe and change their lives around for that so change their lives around for that so the historical value that they put into the historical value that they put into this is pretty connected with everything this is pretty connected with everything they did they teach you a lot about they did they teach you a lot about Houdini yeah they do Houdini yeah they do so this theme for me is an a-minus for so this theme for me is an a-minus for you is higher what your anime yeah but I you is higher what your anime yeah but I like history and I like yeah I like like history and I like yeah I like history and I like yeah I like magic and stuff I do too magic and stuff I do too you know you will know something nerdy you know you will know something nerdy back in the day how old were you when we back in the day how old were you when we came to magic magic oh yeah we were came to magic magic oh yeah we were always showing yeah we were lucky enough always showing yeah we were lucky enough to like this in our town we had a little to like this in our town we had a little magic shop oh nice black room they put magic shop oh nice black room they put on magic shows no I can see 23 year old on magic shows no I can see 23 year old Greg Donnie Greg Donnie mr. whoo Donnie you teach me the sleight mr. whoo Donnie you teach me the sleight of hand hey the Svengali deck really of hand hey the Svengali deck really nice about showing you you know I bought nice about showing you you know I bought carbon college Clark College is one of carbon college Clark College is one of the best books that you've written on the best books that you've written on court on slide I love this court on slide I love this and I gotta say now the sponge balls oh and I gotta say now the sponge balls oh yes yeah the slider hey yeah that's my yes yeah the slider hey yeah that's my kids can do that but yeah like man I did kids can do that but yeah like man I did I would I think everybody in our age I would I think everybody in our age range went through in magic phase at range went through in magic phase at some point as a kid some age mine was some point as a kid some age mine was maybe a little nervous you know like to maybe a little nervous you know like to retreat a levitate and recharge the retreat a levitate and recharge the levitation Oh with the feet so here's levitation Oh with the feet so here's another great bear with us because we've another great bear with us because we've not talked about this now it is sorry to not talked about this now it is sorry to get off-track on game semantics I'll get off-track on game semantics I'll tell you the the worst magic story that tell you the the worst magic story that I have and it was it was when I was I have and it was it was when I was first starting to dabble in it and I was first starting to dabble in it and I was a young teenager and I'd mess with magic a young teenager and I'd mess with magic a little bit when I was a kid but not a a little bit when I was a kid but not a little bit when I was a kid but not a lot so we're down in Orlando Florida and lot so we're down in Orlando Florida and we're at Downtown Disney and there's no we're at Downtown Disney and there's no remember that magic shop down there yeah remember that magic shop down there yeah so in there no there was a magic show I so in there no there was a magic show I didn't go the match this was like a didn't go the match this was like a wasn't a magic shop this was like a just wasn't a magic shop this was like a just like a I don't know there's sort of sold like a I don't know there's sort of sold a bunch of audience weird [ __ ] like a bunch of audience weird [ __ ] like souvenir time okay so there's this guy souvenir time okay so there's this guy that works there and he's standing that works there and he's standing outside there he's got a playing card outside there he's got a playing card he's got two LEDs on each of the he's got two LEDs on each of the brothers a knife and he was like brothers a knife and he was like delights or something yeah he would it delights or something yeah he would it was just literally like a LED and you was just literally like a LED and you had a hearing aid battery in between had a hearing aid battery in between them that power them but they were on them that power them but they were on each end of the card to give the card each end of the card to give the card some weight and he was levitating the some weight and he was levitating the card and throwing the card from hand to card and throwing the card from hand to hand circling around it moving his hands hand circling around it moving his hands in between oh yeah yeah and I was just in between oh yeah yeah and I was just like yeah especially not with the like yeah especially not with the twirling yeah this is [ __ ] stuff so I twirling yeah this is [ __ ] stuff so I never grew up with money so you know never grew up with money so you know this thing cost like $35 and this was this thing cost like $35 and this was back in like 90 so just the money yes back in like 90 so just the money yes and so I thought about the whole time I and so I thought about the whole time I like our last day like our plane left it like our last day like our plane left it like noon or something it's like 8 or 9 like noon or something it's like 8 or 9 in the morning we're laying out by the in the morning we're laying out by the pool getting ready leave and ice kept pool getting ready leave and ice kept pondering about my mom was like you want pondering about my mom was like you want do you really want that thing and I was do you really want that thing and I was like yeah here's the but I was I was like yeah here's the but I was I was tour tour about it so I've run down there to that about it so I've run down there to that store that dudes there he's working store that dudes there he's working behind again like he pulls it up in behind again like he pulls it up in behind the counter so that said oh man behind the counter so that said oh man this is leg Wow this is leg Wow right yeah yeah and so I'm like okay I right yeah yeah and so I'm like okay I got it I go and I open this son of a got it I go and I open this son of a [ __ ] up and I get it home put in the [ __ ] up and I get it home put in the VHS tape yeah it's like filming with a VHS tape yeah it's like filming with a camcorder like it was him that's him camcorder like it was him that's him and what it is was it was like this and what it is was it was like this super fine string you actually pull it super fine string you actually pull it apart to give it a new used putty on it apart to give it a new used putty on it I'm like to attach it to the card I mean I'm like to attach it to the card I mean you like you put like you ribald up tape you like you put like you ribald up tape and you put it in your mouth and let it and you put it in your mouth and let it hang out of your mouth where you can do hang out of your mouth where you can do it over the head but like over the mouth it over the head but like over the mouth was the easiest because you could was the easiest because you could levitate yeah and then when it looked levitate yeah and then when it looked like you were over top of the Pardo's like you were over top of the Pardo's because it was in between your fingers because it was in between your fingers that's it or or you gonna push it yeah that's it or or you gonna push it yeah you can manipulate that string much so you can manipulate that string much so because people thought you were because people thought you were manipulating with your hands yeah it was manipulating with your hands yeah it was a very good illusion but I was very a very good illusion but I was very depressed that I spent $35 oh she was depressed that I spent $35 oh she was magic yes I was like it too I was like magic yes I was like it too I was like I've gotta actually have skill it just I've gotta actually have skill it just sucks because what you learned it don't sucks because what you learned it don't was very impressive but I got I got was very impressive but I got I got chips on it I felt very just we're gonna chips on it I felt very just we're gonna miss thanks for taking us down nice miss thanks for taking us down nice they'll happen I wish out of Bravo today they'll happen I wish out of Bravo today I've got a box of magic tricks different I've got a box of magic tricks different uh stripper decks uh stripper decks remember the stripper decks not those remember the stripper decks not those stripper thanks guys stripper decks were stripper thanks guys stripper decks were some of the listen [Music] enjoyability so this encompasses how enjoyability so this encompasses how much do you want in your game room are much do you want in your game room are there special magic things that happen there special magic things that happen that make you want to come back for more that make you want to come back for more that's what this is encompassing I'm in that's what this is encompassing I'm in a and I tell you what this may be a and I tell you what this may be easily be an A+ enjoy ability for me I easily be an A+ enjoy ability for me I got a lot of reasons why I'm gonna - so got a lot of reasons why I'm gonna - so good and I thoroughly enjoy it in the good and I thoroughly enjoy it in the thing that I like the most about it is thing that I like the most about it is like we've sort of discussed this before like we've sort of discussed this before yeah that it's a pin that when I step up yeah that it's a pin that when I step up to it I'm like hey okay I'll play it to it I'm like hey okay I'll play it then I like it mmm we're into me I feel then I like it mmm we're into me I feel that those are keeper pins for me that those are keeper pins for me because you're hens that I go up to and because you're hens that I go up to and I'm really blown away with at first and I'm really blown away with at first and I really like with the exception of I really like with the exception of dialed in dialed in that kept your it dialed in dialed in that kept your it kept me away when I first touched it and kept me away when I first touched it and then it it kept me there but that's a then it it kept me there but that's a rare exception with dialed in but most rare exception with dialed in but most pins that go to and they are fun at the pins that go to and they are fun at the first and I like them get old very first and I like them get old very quickly okay and you know what for me quickly okay and you know what for me Aerosmith kind of got a little stale Aerosmith kind of got a little stale yeah good and then Guardians if they yeah good and then Guardians if they don't fix that code and give me a little don't fix that code and give me a little more I can see that kind I love it still more I can see that kind I love it still but kind of getting a little stale for but kind of getting a little stale for me I would take it home today I told me I would take it home today I told Zack I said if you ever go to get rid of Zack I said if you ever go to get rid of this before you sell it let me take it this before you sell it let me take it home for two weeks just the play a lot home for two weeks just the play a lot of people a lot of people because I'm of people a lot of people because I'm pins that have been a little bit vocal pins that have been a little bit vocal about my enjoyment it's game didn't want about my enjoyment it's game didn't want to give too much away because I have to give too much away because I have this review but people a couple people this review but people a couple people are like man it's just a honeymoon phase are like man it's just a honeymoon phase like chill out and I'm aware of that like chill out and I'm aware of that when I go to review these things we when I go to review these things we don't want to [ __ ] these people don't want to [ __ ] these people I think we're raving bacon ham and it I think we're raving bacon ham and it could have that happen but you don't could have that happen but you don't know what's gonna wear off but it's this know what's gonna wear off but it's this doesn't this feels like more to me it doesn't this feels like more to me it does feel like it really does it feels does feel like it really does it feels like more to me just because there's so like more to me just because there's so much to do well that's the thing is like much to do well that's the thing is like I'm just now getting the shots down a I'm just now getting the shots down a little little so now I'm opening up it to be able to so now I'm opening up it to be able to explore the code once you get deeper in explore the code once you get deeper in that you see stuff that's what I'm that you see stuff that's what I'm saying stuff so that's why I feel that saying stuff so that's why I feel that it's not just the honeymoon phase it's it's not just the honeymoon phase it's not just the honeymoon phase it's because of the depth of that code what because of the depth of that code what Josh put into it I feel that it won't Josh put into it I feel that it won't get old mmm because of that all right get old mmm because of that all right you ready for mine yeah so were you at you ready for mine yeah so were you at enjoyable you're a - lemonade people enjoyable you're a - lemonade people often say that I just rant and I say often say that I just rant and I say that I love something but I can that I love something but I can sometimes not back it up yeah I'm gonna sometimes not back it up yeah I'm gonna back it up Greg with why I enjoy reading back it up Greg with why I enjoy reading out of the box it has flipper Stoppers out of the box it has flipper Stoppers what other machine does that maybe some what other machine does that maybe some Jersey Jack should get some ruby red Jersey Jack should get some ruby red slippers and stuff but they put that in slippers and stuff but they put that in there you get purple silicon for the there you get purple silicon for the flippers themselves not just blank flippers themselves not just blank purpose silicone and on the post colored purpose silicone and on the post colored posts thank you Thank You American posts thank you Thank You American pinball you can LCD screen not one but pinball you can LCD screen not one but two and they both are implemented well two and they both are implemented well they're not just thrown up on a machine they're not just thrown up on a machine one is part of a theater on your bank one is part of a theater on your bank laughs and one is part of a theater on laughs and one is part of a theater on your play field yes your play field yes you get custom-made spotlights Akali you get custom-made spotlights Akali creations instead of ugly spotlights you creations instead of ugly spotlights you get some that look like teamster lights get some that look like teamster lights from the theater that's not cheap from the theater that's not cheap produce I'd say needed it's just for produce I'd say needed it's just for aesthetic yes you get that you get aesthetic yes you get that you get ornate lock pop bumpers that you're not ornate lock pop bumpers that you're not going to get that ornate of pop bumpers going to get that ornate of pop bumpers on anything besides I would say your on anything besides I would say your suggestion JJ's gonna give you that you suggestion JJ's gonna give you that you get a catapult that throws the ball 22 get a catapult that throws the ball 22 inches into the air that never gets old inches into the air that never gets old and it never misses you get another and it never misses you get another catapult you get magic targets that have catapult you get magic targets that have magnets that swirl the ball around in magnets that swirl the ball around in unexpected ways you get a subway on a unexpected ways you get a subway on a contemporary machine thank you contemporary machine thank you manufacturers for not forgetting about manufacturers for not forgetting about subways I love Subway's you get Easter subways I love Subway's you get Easter eggs everywhere Greg I'm still eggs everywhere Greg I'm still uncovering the damn thing yes and it's uncovering the damn thing yes and it's not just Easter eggs they are tributes not just Easter eggs they are tributes to pinball players yes there is a reason to pinball players yes there is a reason there is a reason when I go to enter my there is a reason when I go to enter my name at the very end I can't put ZL and name at the very end I can't put ZL and my initials because the Z is missing I my initials because the Z is missing I said to myself why is the Zima said to myself why is the Zima see I talked to the guys have built this see I talked to the guys have built this there's a reason and when you find out there's a reason and when you find out why yeah you're gonna giggle and I why yeah you're gonna giggle and I appreciate that like you said there's a appreciate that like you said there's a ton of that type stuff in there yes ton of that type stuff in there yes there's targets that there's a leaf there's targets that there's a leaf target or leaf switch and it's a certain target or leaf switch and it's a certain width Joe Balcer said why are we using width Joe Balcer said why are we using this big old target when all we need is this big old target when all we need is just the width of that switch so we get just the width of that switch so we get more room for p.m. I love it that's a more room for p.m. I love it that's a first first it's an aim your target pimple um it's an aim your target pimple um there's a wooden planchette yeah crafted there's a wooden planchette yeah crafted wouldn't planchette as a Joey in there wouldn't planchette as a Joey in there that lights up there is a ball save you that lights up there is a ball save you guys ball save modes instead of just guys ball save modes instead of just draining if you can get into the mystery draining if you can get into the mystery shop and I'm gonna keep going because shop and I'm gonna keep going because this is the reason that I bought Houdini this is the reason that I bought Houdini in the ball save or the in the mystery in the ball save or the in the mystery the mystery magic shop thank you the mystery magic shop thank you you can get awarded the ball saved modes you can get awarded the ball saved modes so you have to get them time just right so you have to get them time just right if you're going out the out Lane you if you're going out the out Lane you gotta have it lit but if you do there's gotta have it lit but if you do there's two modes one of them you have 30 or 40 two modes one of them you have 30 or 40 flips to all seance targets to keep your flips to all seance targets to keep your ball alive a second chance if you will ball alive a second chance if you will and then the other one escape from I and then the other one escape from I think you get 30 seconds and in that 30 think you get 30 seconds and in that 30 seconds you have to hit all the escape seconds you have to hit all the escape targets yeah and then you can keep your targets yeah and then you can keep your like simple coding and care to the like simple coding and care to the pinball player like that keeps it going pinball player like that keeps it going for me you've got inverted flippers yeah for me you've got inverted flippers yeah have you ever seen that there's a mo dog have you ever seen that there's a mo dog and they're in mode so it's not like and they're in mode so it's not like it's not like that I'd hate to see what it's not like that I'd hate to see what the wizard mode to be yeah they're just the wizard mode to be yeah they're just typical modes where the flippers they typical modes where the flippers they stay up and you got to put in this yeah stay up and you got to put in this yeah they swap so you're crossed and they they swap so you're crossed and they swap so you're crossed and they step so you have to hold them down to step so you have to hold them down to come down and isn't there a ball save on come down and isn't there a ball save on these for the flippers what do you mean these for the flippers what do you mean didn't Josh say that so that you didn't Josh say that so that you wouldn't screwed over when I switched wouldn't screwed over when I switched back no there's no switching back no there's no switching that's Ghost Busters that's what's nice that's Ghost Busters that's what's nice he said he didn't want to do that yeah he said he didn't want to do that yeah you don't know what I'm talking about you don't know what I'm talking about when it goes from amber back to normal when it goes from amber back to normal yipper yeah so that way you're not yipper yeah so that way you're not screwed you know what something I use screwed you know what something I use that sometimes and every time it happens that sometimes and every time it happens I really appreciate that that's a good I really appreciate that that's a good call right yeah because I'll lose that call right yeah because I'll lose that last ball because I'm do you know all last ball because I'm do you know all this stuff and it's like all right we'll this stuff and it's like all right we'll give you your ball back to start your give you your ball back to start your regular gameplay yeah yeah love that regular gameplay yeah yeah love that you've got the unique head on it that you've got the unique head on it that grows on you that really grows on you grows on you that really grows on you that really grows on you you've got special Mo's so for me these you've got special Mo's so for me these special modes man I went into it's like special modes man I went into it's like a it's like a hurry-up mode it's one of a it's like a hurry-up mode it's one of the jail mode or no I might even in jail the jail mode or no I might even in jail mode it's a very unassuming mode but mode it's a very unassuming mode but after you hit the third shot of that after you hit the third shot of that mode Houdini mode Houdini you're trying to get him to escape from you're trying to get him to escape from the asylum and the GI goes black it goes the asylum and the GI goes black it goes like a wizard mode but this is a mode like a wizard mode but this is a mode Greg the the Gi goes black and all of a Greg the the Gi goes black and all of a sudden you see Houdini on the screen sudden you see Houdini on the screen trying to escape this asylum with trying to escape this asylum with spotlights on it there's three shots on spotlights on it there's three shots on the playfield one of them is the correct the playfield one of them is the correct one and Kugler said if you look right if one and Kugler said if you look right if you look just right up at that he'll you look just right up at that he'll show your coup Dean you'll show you show your coup Dean you'll show you where what shot to make but then the GI where what shot to make but then the GI spotlights the play field and then goes spotlights the play field and then goes around inverted flippers mode you've got around inverted flippers mode you've got all of these cool modes and then last all of these cool modes and then last but not least the fun that they're but not least the fun that they're having in this pin the history the having in this pin the history the history the historical information history the historical information they're bringing is a breath of fresh they're bringing is a breath of fresh air and pinball it really is because we air and pinball it really is because we get something unique and different then get something unique and different then a superhero how are you because I'm a a superhero how are you because I'm a superhero how are you because I'm a history nerd but they they're having fun history nerd but they they're having fun in a sense because they poke fun at the in a sense because they poke fun at the other manufacturers and you guys will other manufacturers and you guys will see the video right now but they they see the video right now but they they pull up in the mystery he'll go down pull up in the mystery he'll go down he'll grab your mystery award but he'll grab your mystery award but sometimes he's gonna grab something like sometimes he's gonna grab something like the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man head the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man head that's melting and he says who you're that's melting and he says who you're gonna call not that guy gonna call not that guy things that can hold oh that is one ugly things that can hold oh that is one ugly alien let's see what else we have alien let's see what else we have let's try that again save the basic let's try that again save the basic nobody thinks this that can hold nuclear nobody thinks this that can hold nuclear annihilation good pinball that for our annihilation good pinball that for our future let's try that again future let's try that again extra moon is lit you can tell that they extra moon is lit you can tell that they they put their heart and soul into the they put their heart and soul into the pan I think they had a good time doing pan I think they had a good time doing it like it just wasn't like I'm getting it like it just wasn't like I'm getting my paycheck like they wanted to make my paycheck like they wanted to make there may not have another paycheck this there may not have another paycheck this is a startup but I think it's seven is a startup but I think it's seven grand grand oh the way the market is this is an oh the way the market is this is an eight to nine thousand dollar pen the eight to nine thousand dollar pen the way the market is it stacks up yeah yeah way the market is it stacks up yeah yeah but and so I think that that's what's but and so I think that that's what's gonna help sell these machines is gonna help sell these machines is everything that you just listed for everything that you just listed for $7,000 $7,000 yeah I I think that you $7,000 $7,000 yeah I I think that you you can't go wrong it's a great value you can't go wrong it's a great value it's crazy saying that anything at it's crazy saying that anything at $7,000 is a great value but if they keep $7,000 is a great value but if they keep cranking these things out of seventh out cranking these things out of seventh out in the whole world there's no reason in the whole world there's no reason that the tax alright yeah yeah it's that the tax alright yeah yeah it's phenomenal phenomenal get those bugs phenomenal phenomenal get those bugs fixed and stuff like it alright so let's fixed and stuff like it alright so let's talk about the overall rating we talk about the overall rating we compiled this all I'm gonna a minus of compiled this all I'm gonna a minus of the 3.79 I'm great with this I'm gonna the 3.79 I'm great with this I'm gonna be plus your average game you had a be plus your average game you had a range pretty high man yeah I mean but range pretty high man yeah I mean but it's good it really is pros and cons it's good it really is pros and cons pros we listed them mm-hmm value the pros we listed them mm-hmm value the price actually we usually talk price as price actually we usually talk price as a con but for this I think it's a kind a con but for this I think it's a kind of railroad pros are everything you of railroad pros are everything you listed yeah just about cons what don't listed yeah just about cons what don't you like about this for me there's bugs you like about this for me there's bugs there's bugs bugs let that it's a it's there's bugs bugs let that it's a it's just shipping mmm so that doesn't bother just shipping mmm so that doesn't bother me too much but it's still con con it's me too much but it's still con con it's it's a it's a new pin new manufacture it's a it's a new pin new manufacture may affect we're not [ __ ] no we told may affect we're not [ __ ] no we told those guys like one of the things that those guys like one of the things that you're gonna have to get over is mmm you're gonna have to get over is mmm this is new like can we trust American this is new like can we trust American pinball yeah I don't only time will tell pinball yeah I don't only time will tell only time and let's be honest let's not only time and let's be honest let's not [ __ ] these guys came out of the gate [ __ ] these guys came out of the gate in not a great way no no and we won't in not a great way no no and we won't even talk about that even talk about that you guys gonna look it up yourself you guys gonna look it up yourself adjust associating themselves I think adjust associating themselves I think they were just they didn't know they they were just they didn't know they were just they didn't know they didn't know better didn't know better they got Joe bolster in there and fix they got Joe bolster in there and fix things up a bit but yeah soul honest fix things up a bit but yeah soul honest fix except a lot not a big lock so picks except a lot not a big lock so picks things up a lot very fit they scratch things up a lot very fit they scratch they had to scrap this entire machine they had to scrap this entire machine yeah the entire machine and do something yeah the entire machine and do something else and in a short period of time but else and in a short period of time but as far as they went in that timeframe is as far as they went in that timeframe is amazing there's plenty of sleepless amazing there's plenty of sleepless nights I guarantee you I still have some nights I guarantee you I still have some worrisome I do I have reservations to worrisome I do I have reservations to but it's nowhere near like highway and but it's nowhere near like highway and that's interesting it's a bold statement that's interesting it's a bold statement coming from you I like alien a whole lot coming from you I like alien a whole lot but I'm way more terrified of highway but I'm way more terrified of highway and not just because they're overseas or and not just because they're overseas or anything but I think that all of that anything but I think that all of that was so negative and all the line that I was so negative and all the line that I know yeah that I think I think that a know yeah that I think I think that a lot of that stuff is what kept a lien lot of that stuff is what kept a lien out of some of the twiggy's hmm out of some of the twiggy's hmm categories I think that that's what's categories I think that that's what's gonna Altima sales where is this they gonna Altima sales where is this they heard people yeah how much did you have heard people yeah how much did you have to pay for this and wait how long did to pay for this and wait how long did you have to wait for your $7000 that you you have to wait for your $7000 that you have to wait for your $7000 that you were scared you're gonna lose you didn't were scared you're gonna lose you didn't you didn't know you didn't know you didn't know you didn't know you didn't know so they've never made people they'd even so they've never made people they'd even make people pay for the $200 deposit make people pay for the $200 deposit that was a distributed yeah yeah so this that was a distributed yeah yeah so this one I'm seeing so I feel better about one I'm seeing so I feel better about this an American then what I do highway this an American then what I do highway this game is shipping and reddit a year this game is shipping and reddit a year yeah yeah and a sales and people people yeah yeah and a sales and people people seem to share that sentiment for the seem to share that sentiment for the most part because sales seem like most part because sales seem like they're they're taking off for deals they're they're taking off for deals well if you guys want a Houdini get in well if you guys want a Houdini get in there yeah and and ain't tell them SDTM there yeah and and ain't tell them SDTM said you yeah Larry Larry food not that said you yeah Larry Larry food not that we get paid for but it does it does help we get paid for but it does it does help prove that you know that you that people prove that you know that you that people actually take our opinions seriously actually take our opinions seriously yeah they take mine not yours but it's yeah they take mine not yours but it's all good I only point you in the all good I only point you in the directions of good pizza directions of good pizza it's fine I just want you to dredge up a it's fine I just want you to dredge up a pinball machine yeah yeah I mean only pinball machine yeah yeah I mean only time will tell time will tell we can't say back scary and we're gonna we can't say back scary and we're gonna we protect we're doing this for you guys we protect we're doing this for you guys yeah so we're gonna try to protect you yeah so we're gonna try to protect you that would be my only hesitancy but what that would be my only hesitancy but what we can say from being up there we can say from being up there is that it everything's brand-new is that it everything's brand-new because I see you on the assembly line because I see you on the assembly line I'm like oh my god doesn't look like I'm like oh my god doesn't look like there's blood on it everything is fresh there's blood on it everything is fresh and branch yeah it's not everything's and branch yeah it's not everything's organized so very well yeah it's small organized so very well yeah it's small yeah but doesn't need to be nice how yeah but doesn't need to be nice how they were tweaking things to to they were tweaking things to to accommodate and if it cuz you look like accommodate and if it cuz you look like everything I was looking for but but everything I was looking for but but they're new they're still new you're they're new they're still new you're gonna look and and I don't know as long gonna look and and I don't know as long as they don't do anything stupid I don't as they don't do anything stupid I don't think there's anything as long as this think there's anything as long as this pin functions well then I thought I'd pin functions well then I thought I'd have to tweak it out of the box yeah have to tweak it out of the box yeah that's what's in I think that this is that's what's in I think that this is gonna sell and I think they'll go on to gonna sell and I think they'll go on to game number two easily they're excited game number two easily they're excited about that one too about that one too yes yeah they're already they're already yes yeah they're already they're already talking about it getting ready to work talking about it getting ready to work it up and every wouldn't let us have it it up and every wouldn't let us have it up and every wouldn't let us have it though with them it wouldn't be so we though with them it wouldn't be so we won't tell I promise we don't have won't tell I promise we don't have thousands of people to watch these thousands of people to watch these videos so I think as long as they don't videos so I think as long as they don't do something stupid then I think this do something stupid then I think this game is going to be a hit and I think game is going to be a hit and I think that it will allow them to go into game that it will allow them to go into game number two successfully this game to me number two successfully this game to me he's already a hit I think so I think so he's already a hit I think so I think so but if we buy a new machine right now we but if we buy a new machine right now we buy we buy an alien you find uh parts of buy we buy an alien you find uh parts of the Caribbean I wanted pirates Lee I the Caribbean I wanted pirates Lee I probably well but this is my what you probably well but this is my what you want $9,500 I want 95 that's what hurts want $9,500 I want 95 that's what hurts me hearts yeah you want a Guardians well me hearts yeah you want a Guardians well do you want an arrow star take them all do you want an arrow star take them all but if you're gonna designate some money but if you're gonna designate some money what are you buying this that's no what are you buying this that's no [ __ ] just video like it would at the [ __ ] just video like it would at the price point I'm excited to see what price point I'm excited to see what spooky does with Alice cuz Alice comes spooky does with Alice cuz Alice comes in a like a teen a yeah I like I like to in a like a teen a yeah I like I like to me a lot but I just don't want to own it me a lot but I just don't want to own it right now yeah I'm not going any of right now yeah I'm not going any of these cuz I'm too Bros I think I'll own these cuz I'm too Bros I think I'll own a teen a soon yeah oh yeah you're about a teen a soon yeah oh yeah you're about bought one not too long ago yeah but bought one not too long ago yeah but Alice Cooper would be the only thing Alice Cooper would be the only thing that would maybe be there but I that would maybe be there but I just like we know nothing about it but just like we know nothing about it but price point is good for me price point is good for me the price point is six something yeah the price point is six something yeah so it's not far off heaven feels good I so it's not far off heaven feels good I know it's tough it's tough guys it's know it's tough it's tough guys it's tough because this is this is a good tough because this is this is a good game maybe you wait a little bit until game maybe you wait a little bit until they or maybe just get one now and play they or maybe just get one now and play and have a lot of fun that's what I did and have a lot of fun that's what I did and I'm loving every second now if I had and I'm loving every second now if I had I will tell you I still want to pirates I will tell you I still want to pirates and I would take a pirate's total have and I would take a pirate's total have one of pirates too but the problem is is one of pirates too but the problem is is pirates a little bit more money quite a pirates a little bit more money quite a bit more money 2500 more yeah and like bit more money 2500 more yeah and like that sucks that sucks that's quite a bit you know and that's quite a bit you know and especially if I had a collector's pirate especially if I had a collector's pirate I don't have the money to spend ninety I don't have the money to spend ninety five hundred dollars on a pinball five hundred dollars on a pinball machine I don't really have seven then machine I don't really have seven then this pirate this is more loaded the this pirate this is more loaded the price reflects the difference between price reflects the difference between these two pins $2,500 this thing is these two pins $2,500 this thing is you've got all the second is for gonna you've got all the second is for gonna catapult throws the ball 22 you've gotta catapult throws the ball 22 you've gotta shoot the ball with a can it's not I shoot the ball with a can it's not I will tell you this like I like the will tell you this like I like the shooting of the cannon but this is a shooting of the cannon but this is a little bit more the ball gimmick and little bit more the ball gimmick and this is a little bit better than pirates this is a little bit better than pirates because it done goes for yeah it's just because it done goes for yeah it's just such a short thing it's still really such a short thing it's still really cool but it's not as visually Wow but I cool but it's not as visually Wow but I do love with $2,500 great walk into a do love with $2,500 great walk into a whole lot you know what I want to do whole lot you know what I want to do just buy them both I agree that's what just buy them both I agree that's what you need to do them both oh yeah TNA by you need to do them both oh yeah TNA by Pirates of the Caribbean Bayou Houdini I Pirates of the Caribbean Bayou Houdini I just don't buy you the newest stern just don't buy you the newest stern mission I just don't think he's go wrong mission I just don't think he's go wrong with this at the price point I I guess I with this at the price point I I guess I got to concede to what you were saying got to concede to what you were saying and say yes if there was a pen right now and say yes if there was a pen right now that I was gonna go buy brand-new to do that I was gonna go buy brand-new to do this you guys heard it here first all this you guys heard it here first all right what do these people need to know right what do these people need to know about about straight down in the middle about about straight down in the middle we do we're at Whitby Award winner we do we're at Whitby Award winner we arch with the award one for YouTube we arch with the award one for YouTube it was very exciting very unexpected we it was very exciting very unexpected we were happy to make it in the top three were happy to make it in the top three and it was like dude we actually shocked and it was like dude we actually shocked yeah I yeah I I don't know I don't know what to say I don't know I don't know what to say about that we're kind of humble but I'm about that we're kind of humble but I'm happy 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they'll be at their Louisville with Larry again aren't they Louisville with Larry again aren't they were they this whole promotional thing were they this whole promotional thing with extra machines and stuff that are with extra machines and stuff that are at the show so they're going to at the show so they're going to Louisville Arcade Expo the March 2nd and Louisville Arcade Expo the March 2nd and 4th they'll be there then they're gonna 4th they'll be there then they're gonna be at Arcade Expo and bein in California be at Arcade Expo and bein in California from March 16th through March 18th we're from March 16th through March 18th we're not gonna be able to make that one but not gonna be able to make that one but we are gonna make the Texas pinball we are gonna make the Texas pinball festival Frisco Texas that's gonna be festival Frisco Texas that's gonna be March 16th through the 18th as well March 16th through the 18th as well that's their next three shows we're that's their next three shows we're gonna be there yeah do you guys need gonna be there yeah do you guys need pinball parts yeah pinball parts yeah and I'll go with it I'll tell you what and I'll go with it I'll tell you what no [ __ ] with this just because we're no [ __ ] with this just because we're close close Louisville show is really growing and it Louisville show is really growing and it is a fantastic um all right we're gonna is a fantastic um all right we're gonna be there hug now there's no big be there hug now there's no big unveiling or anything you get in Chicago unveiling or anything you get in Chicago or will they be us that's it but I mean or will they be us that's it but I mean you know you're still gonna get to play you know you're still gonna get to play pirates there you can play a Houdini pirates there you can play a Houdini there so you still got all that there'll there so you still got all that there'll be a guardian I'm sure you know there'll be a guardian I'm sure you know there'll be a Guardians there or something at be a Guardians there or something at some point but you know to come hang out some point but you know to come hang out it's a fun there's a lot of pins a lot it's a fun there's a lot of pins a lot of Kade's of Kade's flippin outs always got all the Jersey J flippin outs always got all the Jersey J I actually care flipping out run ever I actually care flipping out run ever shown you a fantastic sand say hi to us shown you a fantastic sand say hi to us and when you're there or right now right and when you're there or right now right now whenever you done with this video now whenever you done with this video you guys sell the Franchi artwork logo you guys sell the Franchi artwork logo that we just threw oh my god why did we that we just threw oh my god why did we almost they saw that not at the almost they saw that not at the beginning so I one of those help support beginning so I one of those help support our Paul has helped support what 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