# SDTM: Guardians of the Galaxy pinball first impressions

**Source:** Straight Down the Middle  
**Type:** video  
**Published:** 2017-11-03  
**Duration:** 66m 34s  
**Beat:** Pinball

**URL:** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh3vgoXfGu0

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## Analysis

Zack and Greg from Straight Down the Middle provide enthusiastic first impressions of the newly announced Stern Pinball Guardians of the Galaxy machine, focusing extensively on Christopher Franchi's artwork, John Borg's layout design, toy features, and cabinet/backglass aesthetics across the three cabinet editions (Pro, Premium, Limited Edition). They defend the game against early criticism about similarities to Metallica and discuss hidden Easter eggs and artistic details.

### Key Claims

- [HIGH] Guardians of the Galaxy was originally expected to debut at Chicago Pinball Expo 2017 but was released a couple days later instead — _We thought we were gonna see it at Chicago Pinball Expo 2017 a couple weeks ago and I didn't_
- [HIGH] Christopher Franchi is credited as the artist on Guardians of the Galaxy, alongside Zombie Yeti and others forming Stern's 'artist trifecta' — _I love when he draws... that's the Sam Stern trifecta of artist yes like the superstar all-star team_
- [HIGH] John Borg designed the Guardians of the Galaxy layout — _so layout this is a this is a John Borg design oh yeah we've heard that haven't we_
- [HIGH] The playfield contains multiple Easter eggs including a Walkman near Groot, Cosmo hidden in the upper right, Frenchy's signature on a gauge on the left slingshot, and the phrase 'where the Guardians of the Galaxy don't' written on the underside of the shooter ramp — _a Walkman slaying right near Groot... cosmo is up hiding in the far right... Frenchy... writes his name in a way that blends into artwork... 'where the Guardians of the Galaxy don't'_
- [HIGH] The game features magnets on the playfield that create different gameplay feel compared to Metallica despite similar layout structure — _with magnets under the playfield it will never shoot like Metallica... no matter if it's laid out I'm very similar_
- [HIGH] Groot is described as the biggest and most impressive toy on the machine — _the biggest toy is Groot yes is that fantastically done it is very fantastic_

### Notable Quotes

> "I love this theme it is my favorite superhero theme yeah if you will out of anything film"
> — **Greg**, early in discussion
> _Establishes Greg's personal connection to Guardians of the Galaxy theme as motivation for enthusiasm_

> "I can't picture anybody else doing this artwork than Frankie I really can't"
> — **Zack**, during artwork analysis
> _Strong endorsement of Christopher Franchi's artistic exclusivity to the theme_

> "we got to stop comparing it to Metallica because with magnets under the playfield it will never shoot like Metallica"
> — **Zack**, during layout discussion
> _Key rebuttal to community concerns about layout similarity; explains technical differentiation_

> "he crammed this thing he didn't leave any space he crammed it full without it feeling oh you rammed"
> — **Greg**, during playfield description
> _Describes Franchi's dense artwork integration style positively_

> "it's like you get a cohesiveness of it and certain things stand out like like Star-Lord's face obviously a Star-Lord over there... there's so much to look at"
> — **Zack**, during playfield analysis
> _Explains how busy artwork maintains visual hierarchy and player engagement_

> "John Borg he takes a little bit of greatness and puts it into his next thing I like it it's familiar but it's new and fresh"
> — **Greg**, during designer discussion
> _Characterizes John Borg's design philosophy as iterative improvement with signature style_

> "I don't think you can take a designer and then want this and this from this different and different because then it doesn't feel like that designer"
> — **Zack**, during designer philosophy discussion
> _Argues for respecting designer signature style consistency rather than chasing variety_

> "it shows passion yeah it shows his parents having fun with it yeah says he's having fun"
> — **Greg**, discussing hidden Easter eggs
> _Notes artist passion and enjoyment evident in attention to detail_

> "this may be my favorite Sam Stern artwork ever done it's on my face it's proud of my favorite play for you"
> — **Zack**, final artwork assessment
> _Declares it potentially his favorite Stern artwork; strong endorsement of Franchi's work_

> "teach their own man I'm not gonna bash him Barnyard for their views teach their own"
> — **Greg**, addressing criticism about colors
> _Acknowledges taste variation but defends against excessive negativity about colorful design_

### Entities

| Name | Type | Context |
|------|------|---------|
| Straight Down the Middle: a pinball show | organization | Video series being produced; hosts are Zack and Greg |
| Guardians of the Galaxy | game | Stern Pinball release; subject of first impressions review; three cabinet editions (Pro, Premium, LE) |
| Stern Pinball | company | Manufacturer of Guardians of the Galaxy machine |
| Christopher Franchi | person | Artist credited with playfield and cabinet artwork on Guardians of the Galaxy; includes hidden signatures and Easter eggs |
| John Borg | person | Designer of Guardians of the Galaxy layout; known for signature design style with multiple layout types |
| Zack Minney | person | Co-host of Straight Down the Middle; enthusiastic about game but notes some layout concerns |
| Greg Bone | person | Co-host of Straight Down the Middle; strong Guardians of the Galaxy fan; artistic analysis focus |
| Zombie Yeti | person | One of three-person Stern artist 'trifecta' mentioned alongside Christopher Franchi |
| Jeremy Packer | person | Stern artist; praised for attention to detail in artwork |
| Zach Sharp | person | Mentioned as contact at Stern regarding John Borg's design approach |
| Metallica | game | John Borg-designed game frequently compared to Guardians of the Galaxy layout; hosts defend differences |
| Iron Man | game | John Borg game used as layout comparison reference; features similar kickback mechanic |
| X-Men | game | John Borg design mentioned as example of his 'third flipper' layout style |
| Walking Dead | game | John Borg design mentioned as example of varied layout approaches |
| Ghostbusters | game | Used as comparison for difficult middle drain design issues |
| Addams Family | game | Referenced for diverter and magnet mechanics similar to Guardians design |
| Star Trek | game | Layout mechanic throwback referenced in Guardians orb shot design |
| Aerosmith | game | Referenced for left scoop shot that starts modes, similar to Guardians design |
| Jurassic Park | game | John Borg game mentioned for kickback mechanic similarities |
| Dialed In | game | Referenced for magnet randomness mechanics similar to Guardians |
| Tron | game | John Borg game mentioned as example of his 'third flipper' layout style |
| Chicago Pinball Expo 2017 | event | Expected venue for Guardians of the Galaxy reveal; release happened after the event instead |

### Topics

- **Primary:** Artwork and aesthetics (playfield, cabinet, backglass design by Franchi), Layout design and John Borg's design philosophy, Easter eggs and hidden details in artwork, Comparison to Metallica and defense against similarity criticism, Toy features (Groot, Rocket, Orb, magnets)
- **Secondary:** Cabinet edition differentiation (Pro vs Premium vs Limited Edition), Game reveal strategy and timing (fuzzy pictures, delayed Expo reveal), Designer signature styles and artistic consistency

### Sentiment

**Positive** (0.89) — Hosts are very enthusiastic about the game overall, with particular praise for artwork, layout design, and theme integration. Zack expresses one concern about the plastic flasher/middle drain area, but this is minor. Both hosts defend the game against early community criticism about layout similarity to Metallica and color palette concerns. Tone is celebratory and appreciative of the artistic and design effort.

### Signals

- **[sentiment_shift]** Some community members criticizing game for being 'too colorful' or having color/art overwhelm (confidence: medium) — some of the initial and still people are kind of raising a little bit of cane about it about it's too colorful
- **[community_signal]** Early community criticism about layout similarity to Metallica causing concern among potential buyers (confidence: high) — people are so upset and comments are said that uh you know why would I buy this if I've got my talent at one throat
- **[competitive_signal]** Guardians of the Galaxy positioned as significant Stern release with three cabinet tiers (Pro, Premium, Limited Edition) and premium artistic execution (confidence: high) — three different models the Pro version of the Premium Edition and the Elites... cabinet or is phenomenal I feel good
- **[design_philosophy]** Christopher Franchi demonstrates signature artistic approach of dense, detailed artwork with hidden Easter eggs and artist signatures embedded throughout design (confidence: high) — he crammed this thing he didn't leave any space he crammed it full without it feeling... there's so much to look at that it's one of those The Games worth it before you start your game
- **[design_philosophy]** Hosts defend John Borg's signature design approach of iterative improvement with familiar elements rather than complete reinvention (confidence: high) — John Borg he takes a little bit of greatness and puts it into his next thing I like it it's familiar but it's new and fresh
- **[announcement]** Guardians of the Galaxy officially announced/revealed after being expected at Chicago Pinball Expo 2017 (confidence: high) — We thought we were gonna see it at Chicago Pinball Expo 2017 a couple weeks ago and I didn't... and here's how it so how did you find out about it i saw some facebook pictures
- **[product_concern]** One minor design concern: plastic flasher in middle of playfield between outlanes could create sightline/playability issues similar to Ghostbusters (confidence: medium) — the only concern that I'm seeing is and a lot of people are voicing this is that plastic flasher in the plastic area oh that worked out lame I agree that might be tricky

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## Transcript

all right let's go hey what's up guys this is Zack and Greg from straight down the middle of pinball show you want to keep singing buddy okay I'm hooked on a feeling Greg I'm always hooked on a feeling I'm high on believing a feeling of frustration and because we didn't really do a video and it is probably 45 minutes past your bedtime oh yeah yeah he's got a sleeping jag what is this your car D dog yeah all right Greg what are we doing we're giving these fine people what guardians of the galaxy yeah Stern release guardians of the galaxy first impressions first impressions let's talk about this thing people don't like first impressions they get a little shitty about first impressions but you know what I think they're vital they're vital they're vital you know what to keep it interesting okay do you know there's something to talk about they're vital we'll go with that what do you want to talk about first let's talk about the release of this thing okay all right we thought we were gonna see it at Chicago pinball Expo 2017 a couple weeks ago and I didn't you didn't yeah really yeah okay inside sources or something I know your people tell you will talk to me they don't like you they talk to me okay all right send Greg all your info so initially we really really pissed if I get flooded with all kinds of awesome information yeah cuz that's my job that's my job no Expo it was supposed to deleting up to X but we thought they're due for release yeah they're gonna release Gardens the galaxy our sources were correct on that yes guardians the galaxy did not come during Expo for whatever reason don't know why it didn't come but it came a couple days ago yeah a couple days ago and here's how it so how did you find out about it i saw some facebook pictures and then i saw down my hacks group opposed I was working and so that's gonna hopped on Facebook yeah and got a hex group shared it oh that video the ad grew up yeah did the video which was well done I love yeah very good it showed a little more than what most do for a little teaser yeah I mean I know anything usually didn't suck know pretty good impression of it yes often so that was that was the hype train there the hype train left the station yes and then we got later fuzzy pictures yes why do they keep doing that we need some starting so somebody was like in 2017 wean isn't every picture shouldn't be all high-res yeah we need some high-res there's no cuz it does it doesn't do them a service I think they do it just to keep people talking cuz they I don't if I was a company I don't want my first impression to be fuzzy video I I agree I'm just trying to get into the mind and then we soul Stern really see like the Youtube version of a teaser yeah yeah no no that was Sylvia I think the a/v Club came the day before or something yeah I guess it was two and then the third is the play game play kind of video see this is the point guys it's very confusing what I would like Stern to do is to have a nice normal reveal yeah yeah even if you have a Jag danger there at the factory you know I don't even mind when they get leaked and they get thrown all over pin side and I get to go to a pen side three because as long as it's done I don't like the like the Jersey Jack leaking right before no no no I'm just talking about like ghostbusters I built it Oliver know how remember at all have Ghostbusters was shown I literally just got on pin side it was like oh look at this machine yeah okay this is because somebody posted that might have saw busters either before Magic Man maybe I don't know so first impressions look a fine with that though is what I'm saying okay we're sure what was your first feeling because I don't want to geek out here for those of you who watch our show you know guardians of the galaxy the film itself is near and dear to me I love I love love love this theme it is my favorite superhero theme yeah if you will out of anything film was first impression when you sold it what did you I thought was colorful um I thought it was beautiful I was actually I was actually excited about group I was excited about the groove head the grood arms um all that because you know you Toby you were like man looks like Godzilla and we just played a good Godzilla and at Expo and I'd never touched a gun Zilla honestly this is actually pretty cool man like I like sega's to begin with and this Godzilla's pretty badass so I was actually excited about feeling yeah it was just neat looking just the art was beautiful I just I was glad that they finally did a good sculpted toy that it just wasn't something that look like [ __ ] it was actually looked like it somebody took some time with it and made it look realistic that's true not like a well Walker that just this bloated goofy looking stupid toy everybody hates whenever you say world under glass but usually my first impression is just that it's always the art and it's always the do I feel like I'm there yeah do I feel like there's cool stuff to do on this pinball Makia my first feeling when I saw that was nothing short of spectacular I saw that beautiful Franchi artwork now it was nice and bright I loved that I the world in art it is a world under there well when you see coming out of the playfield yeah it is but it's not the world like like you would with with pirates it's not that you feel that you're necessarily traveling through space I don't think when this initial like then when you go down you sit down and play it obviously things yeah but it's a world it encompasses the world of Guardian okay but I don't think it immerses you in it like that you are battling and you are fighting and you are no no it's just a nice general theme of pulling you in to say this looks like fun to play this is everything Guardians yes yes yeah it's a pinball machine that's right so it encompasses that well so my first feeling was great hope that makes sense it was greatness when I first saw Star Wars I was kind of like what do we got here oh yeah when I first saw that mean I thought what we got here this one was kind of overwhelming to me I thought oh here we go but your giant fan of the genre I'm a fan of so it I'm a fan of the artist on the fan of the designer I'm a fan of the theme yeah you can eat that over it let's talk about art let's go into a cabinet or we've got three different models the pro of the premium and the Ely's you guys are seeing pictures right now let's look at the pro okay right I'll look at you all high-tech and stuff that's not the pro that's all right so the pro cabinet all right we got it I love the cabinet art on the pro I think that's probably my favorite I agree I do think I like the pro cabinet are better than I love the lightning circles that are symmetrical and then the characters kind of bunched up right in the middle of there yeah all the proportions are really well done the colors pop they've got blues pinks and oranges some Purple's in there and then you see that that that hexagon I hope it's a hexagon I haven't been a math class in a while don't you think it is X but you see that theme throughout that I think pulls it really well yeah yeah pulls from the other stuff I agree I just like the centralized focus on them a lot going on the action it's a good action sequence like I enjoy that and I I'm so damn glad it says guardians of the galaxy undecide you have to have that load yes and I enjoy the logo on yeah not just the ecto further yeah thank you for putting the logo on the side because that makes me happy cabinet or it's hard to see the ahead but we know it's colorful it's got Groudon it on the pro if we're moving over to the premium again I'm very fond of the premium cabinet or now as you see right here buddy I'll show the people it flows very well yeah because it's it's got that centralized group which is cool because you've got the hands on the playfield but you still have your other you got your star-lord more I kind of like rocket being a big focus on that yeah he's on his shoulder yeah it's pretty cool it's very encompassing of the film and then I think I don't know what I forgot what her name everything that was picked art wise like stances everything else is very much signature of the film oh yeah like the way like more eye is everything with the sword and everything and star-lord with his gun like everything is very it takes the best poses in action sequences of the movie and they encompass that very well again like you rocket on the shoulder and everything like it was that was nice you know I mean I know the Le is the least of my favorite but if they just came out with this cabinet I would still think it's phenomenal because this is it's like the the lesser of greatness I like it I just I'm not a I'm not the gold trim fan no we're talking about trim now no I'm just I mean it's part of it all it's it's where I mean it's the three models oh it's on the cabinet got it I love the gold is gonna say you're you're with the rest of inside but I love the gold cabinet pulls in that logo I mind it not not one little bit what other color would you do I don't know I'm fine with black like I'm not a big go get everything Ellie noted for Ellie no man maybe a purple I mean it's a lot of purple on there all right now but you know I think that was the wisest probably why is this choice because you can accent the limited edition with gold features I like yeah I like that so as you guys are seeing now all of the art is beautiful what I do like about the Ellie if you guys zoom in and see on the front of the cabinet you've got baby Groot in his little pot and it says limited edition right on the I love that that's really really cool alright so that's a cabinet or it is phenomenal I feel good alright let's move on to the back glasses so the again yeah I like all the back glasses that pro back glass is pretty sure yeah premium is okay to me it's got yondu on it it's nice I don't like the again I don't like the le really what don't you like about yeah it's - I love the cassette on melee is a cassette it's two angels or something to me like I don't know like I don't know it's just something I don't know something just it's too much it's too much color just on the Le but the freakin premium I really like the freakin premium be like yes I think that that is it's I think I prefer the pretty cool the le glass to the premium bank laughs Wow yeah because the yeah again the probe at guys still [ __ ] my favorite out is essentially it's the le cabinet ends up on the premium back glass yeah if you notice that and then but I'm still going like I don't know I I'd still rate it Pro premium le okay with fair that's fair I would Frankenstein it like I like the I like the pro stuff but no I think I might go all pro here yeah I might go over I really like how Frenchy on the art he actually on the back glass and the cabinet he writes limited edition yeah hard yes yes just let no mistaken I really like that but it is let's go with the ball the playfield that's where it's at I like the cab now let me show you guys I like glass but the playfield the playfield I love its juicy the playfield I love it's alright so that bottom portion I'm not gonna geek out I promise you it in decal but star-lord down in that bottom third yeah is that's what dreams are made of to me yeah yondu's with the dart hanging out if you look closely enough I love the composition of the colors there I love the proportion of his head I love that they use the inserts at his eyes yes oh I love the the yellow lightning bolts and then when I go up when I shift up what do you think about the cuz you were telling me a little bit about the mode icons here the motor icons air everything else was so like with star lore like his face down there like a good a good job was done to not clutter and busy that up around him you know that he stands out mmm but it wasn't like you were absent of artwork then you move up and you're into the the mode icons and I the mode icon everything else is so detailed and so rich and so be I mean so detailed yes it's so beautiful that the mode icons look the basic it's very plain yeah and so that kind of my only thing but it does jive with everything else because it goes into like you said like on the you know the cabinet stuff are blades you got the saw blades yeah everything yeah so then it jog under it well but you want them to stand out yeah what the mode the Moses David yes so you want to be able to see that and it not get lost in the in the art necessarily itself but you know I don't know I could have done with just some richness in a little detail because badges are setting up to me now as you move up at play field I love I love how around that Magna force icon them lightning bolts right there that is probably one of my favorite are please white purples blonde orange mixed in it is eye-catching very much eye-catching what I love about franchis work is Christopher and she did the the artwork on this is I love when he draws he does this I don't know if it's comic book i'll have the words for it but this outline this color outline around star-lord around Drax and it really really makes the realism popper for me whenever I was just looking at this play field I love zombie Eddy yeah I love derision I love Christopher energy I always say that that's the stern trifecta of artist yes like the superstar all-star team I agree but that being said I can't picture anybody else doing this artwork than Frankie I really can't oh no no no Thank You Belle I can't think about these characters in any other light what this does is it's reminiscent to me of the old school back glasses of wear that you looked around and there was a new scene and hot something different yeah every time there's something really stuffed and that's the way it is with this it's like you get a cohesiveness of it and certain things stand out like like star Lord's face obviously a star Lord over there and then also kind of catch Groot over here all Angry yellow and you get good more over here and then you got like a little group down here and there there's so much to look at that it's one of those games worth it before you start your gamer figure ball ins you're gonna stand there yeah over top of the play field just observing and it's not gonna happen once because you're not gonna feel like you took it all in so you gonna be back over he crammed this thing he crammed it down he didn't leave any space he crammed it full without it feeling oh you rammed oh yeah it feels like a comic book when you open up a beauty s detailed illustrative comic book I love it uh one of the things this is my little nerd thing if you step back and you look at that play field what we love about that Pro cabin art was that circling lightning yeah razor not lightning it's like a fiery layers that is essentially the entire bottom yeah half bottom third you see this sir it separates all the openness of the play field in the bottom section from the top oh it's a good separation ah load o load all right and then as you go up it's not just Groot there he's got artistic vines coming up so Lee this coming outside of Groot yeah ain't none of his mouth if you look at the plastic behind it we're gonna show you maybe an exclusive I don't know if anybody's shown this yet but some of the plastics and an unpopulated play field here yes but he's got the even part of groups back and stuff it has a plastic back there I could we could spend an hour talking about this art we'll probably do that more during the review but nothing short of spectacular oh and freakin the inserts oh that's our with yes inserts I like this because it didn't it didn't blend them away no the playfield it's a black and white it's a blind white but it added a face to the insert which was cool face right it's not a red arrow no it's yeah it adds something to it mmmmmm it's beautiful it's like a coloring book I love it okay so you guys even this is what I liked about dirty Donnie that's what I liked about zombie Yeti they put those little bitty maybe not Easter eggs but they put those little details that you can like you said you can just keep coming back you can keep driving down deep and really finding the intricacies of their artwork I'm going to point you guys attention to to the left side of Groot is the Walkman yes a Walkman slaying right by Groot I love it and it looks like it's just like the the chords he'd illustrated in a way it looks like it's just sitting on top there I love that little Easter Egg what else do I love about this thing oh you guys want to know who makes a special appearance than this cosmo well I did I didn't but I did cosmo is up as you guys are seeing hopefully i get the real video up there he is up hiding to the far right above the popular attack place cosmo always makes that little in the comics and then the the film's it always makes that little appearance he's that the collectors den during the film oh man I love that no were those special little meat things the only things hidden GM yeah another little neat thing is if you look at it for those of you who are gonna get the pro on the premium Ellie's there are flashers that go over the slingshots right but on the left this is this is a kickback to our boy francha here on the left slingshot if you look really close there's a gauge there's a guardians of galaxy gauge there that's I don't know what it's measuring but up in the top of it it says Frenchy like he writes his name in a way that blends into artwork you really wouldn't know you want you to look at it probably hundred it's like think about this kiss right there just a nice little kiss there and my favorite little easter egg this is my favorite Greg and whenever I got got wind of this I like it was really cool alright so I hated that it's hidden it's hidden you guys that hidden but exclusive for you guys this is to show you that he didn't leave any stone unturned and literally by stone we mean that the shooter ramp yeah whenever you jump up an idol into the play field if you guys lift that metal ramp up this is what you're gonna say yeah you set a [ __ ] where the guardians of the galaxy don't oh come on Greg he'll faint I love it in orders took the time to put that down this right in there I think it's awesome that's the fun stuff brought about being an artist I know it shows passion yeah it shows his parents having fun with it yeah says he's having fun this may be my favorite Stern artwork ever done it's on my face it's proud of my favorite play for you it may be its problem I favorite right now I'm thinking of zombies or yetis but a bit about Ghostbusters yeah I love that cabinet and that glass I liked Batman better absolutely not but this these that Pro cabinet this play field is probably one of my favorite playfields I'll agree with that I'll give you that I think is I don't know I'm like you like I kept trying to think about what I like better cuz I you know me I'm seven I like that color but yeah I love that stuff I think it's my favorite all right it's not it's mom yes pearl oh yeah well I don't still know what would beat it yeah I feel I don't know but then again I really preferred that photorealism I've always liked overhaul yeah that somebody takes with their hand and they develop something that looks like a photograph with an artistic yes that does it for me I like MC escher stuff yeah big MC Escher I like so many specialty I don't see what they do with things but like I'm a huge fan me and go way back I'm a huge fan of Monet like paintings yeah I'm a huge huge Monet fan yeah so you wouldn't think that I would you know that I would like an abstract more weird art but uh like this the only like this is it's not this is no moment this is Monet is kind of yeah but that's what I'm saying like like I like this is real is this is crazy in every other aspect that's the only you know and I could look at this thing yeah with Impressionists and everything like I just I like photo realism in my today's art like that's what I enjoy I'd stopped listening to you a couple minutes ago all right let's go all right let's go to the layout buddy all right so layout this is a this is a john board design oh yeah we've heard that haven't we yeah we've heard this like is it like Metallica I don't know like we don't know you but we don't know if it's like Metallica you know if the layouts like but it is very similar but I am bothered because we have not played the game yet okay and people are so upset and comments are said that uh you know why would I buy this if I've got my talent at one throat and everything else because first of all I'm gonna give you two options here okay either it plays nothing like Metallica okay what if it's better than Metallica what if it is yeah what do you do like what do you how are you gonna write this off and go you know what I've already got Metallica what the hell are you gonna do if you get this pin and you play it and the shots just feel better the whole game just feels just a little bit better even if it was laid out like identical but just a few lives they're saying there's no way for it to feel like Metallica just because no there's different shots there are like you don't have the captive balls you're hitting that's a nice little dead clunk shot yeah the snake Mouse waiting for it and it shooting out that's gonna be different than marking up the whole walk over to the rock it's got a kickback instead of an inline dropped or yes metal ramps feel different than plastic right yes instead of Sparky you hitting anything coming back it's all ball exactly so to me this has got magnets yes and it's gonna here's the deal guys we got to stop comparing it to Metallica because with magnets under the playfield it will never shoot like Metallica well just stuff like the boys at the ball lock the kickback like like those are different aspects of a pinball machine that are gonna give a completely different feel to the [ __ ] so no matter if it's laid out I'm very similar here's the thing about John Borg this is why we all love him too because he makes a great layout yes and I told Zach I said that's like the people that get all up in arms go oh hey do you see DC ac/dc sucks oh your songs sound the same ac/dc some other people out there feel that way if they do they hate it and but I'll give you six the love of anything you know what they do all sound the same but you know what you ain't nowhere where that you don't hear an ac/dc song pop on you though you know what I think get some Lynyrd Skynyrd being played he'll know you know you know it's a CBC and you still rock your balls off to that song you rock your balls off to that song I like John Borges designs because that's book yeah Borg he takes a little bit of greatness and puts it into his next thing I like it it's familiar but it's new and fresh yes everybody knows I'm a huge onboard fan that's why yes you cannot have a good like it it to me I don't design pinball's I have been in pinball long enough to really probably make this comment but I don't think make it anyway that you can take a designer and then want this and this from this different and different because then it doesn't feel like that designer you know what as Steve Ritchie game feels like you know what a john board game feels like they have a signature that's like an artist like you you know that's like a interior designer somebody Lansky Messick anybody you know that does it they all have their own hello everybody's got their own little things yes everybody for me um I don't know if you guys feel the same way for me John Borg has two different kind of designs he's got his basic fan layout what we see in Metallica we see an Iron Man we see here the guardians of the galaxy and he's got his third flipper x-men Tron through the pops kind of layout Walking Dead somewhat yes so he deviates off of those two and if it's broke don't fix it I mean we're adding toys were adding different things reading different modes Metallica is alignment game yeah so the code itself is going to be so much different strategically than a long rap game which is gonna be more modes beta mode basis yes we got to stop with the metallic is it it just doesn't make it I don't like I mean I understand the initial reaction cuz I understand looking at it but I just I don't think it's valid without putting our hands on it and playing there's there's a lot of similarities let's go through so we've got the the far left shot is a crank it up shot essentially that's for yondu and you've got your left orbit it goes to the right orbit there are I think not to post diverters but there's gate diverges on the back there then you have rocket I love stern bringing this back I love that rocket kickback like you seen Jurassic Party like like you see back in iron man war machine and how he throws it back I love that kind of pecs are hardisk and I like inline drop targets my friend but I love that shot back then you've got your left ramp that goes you know my favorite great when it goes behind that back panel I love that similar to Iron Man that's fair you've got your Bosch toy right in the middle but it also locks balls which is Groot and he's phenomenal looking then you've got your orb shot that is where the snake and Metallica sits and it's almost a throwback to Star Trek yeah with the with the drop target that holds it cut as a as a lock a virtual lock possibly or a physical lock no sir you got your right ramp it's gonna be a two ball multiball it could be that's all I think it's gonna hold the one ball and you're gonna go have a two ball multi then you've got your right orbit and each one of them is designated to a character I like that and then your far right scoop shot like left on Aerosmith is where you start your modes that's the star-lord yeah mystery probably things like that the only concern that I'm seeing is and a lot of people are voicing this is that plastic flasher in the plastic area oh that worked out lame I agree that might be tricky yes is a deal-breaker no but if that might be a little tricky yeah it does have metal outlanes to the left and was it added there to piss you off yeah I don't think flashers were ever added to a pinball gene just to make you go wow no blinds the [ __ ] out of you so you lose your ball we've gotta love it for making money but we got a lot of that double in lane Ghostbusters thing and sometimes that can be a little tricky if it's that middle bang and it pops over and if you can't see a thing off at that nice line freshmen but what we do know about Bork is that he designs a very playable game yes they're not bastards they're not tough no they're not long it's almost very long right well but it's not hard for me but people hate it people hate it people hate it and I'm not being that smartass like I feel like it's not unfair no no no no but we're Ghostbusters is unfair his straight down the middle shot off out of the Pops I'm walking dead if you don't have it tuned in that's unfair but we like four keys a is he restoring designer I don't know we've gone over this before it's jump board I like it all John Borg one two in three okay let's go on to toys do we have totally do we have more toys in this game than we've seen on other Stern's recently really I don't know we've kind of argued about this you have you didn't feel like there's a lot of times I feel like there's a hell of a lot okay I mean there's a lot going on the biggest toy is group yes is that fantastically done it is very fantastic okay the next toy I'm gonna include the arms and the premium le as an aesthetic toy yes because without those it takes a lot off it does take a lot of it takes a lot a in a freaking toy yeah this what do you call it I don't know what do you call it I don't know it's a toy you've got a face you've got rocket that's a toy it's a molded figurine and on the premium le he does a little kickback probably similar to the TIE fighter yeah but that's not the only tool we know this was nice you've got the orb the orb opens up in the premium le yes that for me you know it's cool enough I think you can mod it out on the pro to look pretty damn awesome yeah who else was gonna look like lit up there's like that light in there it's gonna be and my favorite toy of all Greg the Magnus I just wanna get onto the juicy stuff the magnets is my favorite toy the pro does have one magnet which we saw in the gameplay video yeah it circles around and stuff that's cool and then on the freedom you get you get three major so you're gonna see more of that dialed in Addams Family and Dini randomness which I like is why is what other choice do we have I think it's about it solemn okay so that's the toys my friend theme you feel like this is a well integrated art toy and layout package to fit the guardians of the galaxy universe oh yeah absolutely very much so this was they here's the Asian I like to get into the juicy stuff what's the juicy stuff I never get in this I like all the juices I'm ready I'm ready just raise hell really few sweaty you're tired hungry how many beers together in you don't worry only old one minute oh my wife counts and she's asleep haha so what's the G now some of the initial and still people are kind of raising a little bit of cane about it about it's too colorful there's too much of this and that and all this other [ __ ] all the [ __ ] but to me when you look at your own puke yes that that term was used and teach their own man I'm not gonna bash him by for their views teach their own some people the the freakin hell I will bash him because it's you guys if you don't like the color I get it it's too nice to call it that it's but it's not that but it is integrated well if you look at guardians of the galaxy the Blues the green like the people hmm like the characters are colorful like when they go into the nebulas in there and different green blue and purple character this won't say the arts of space are very colorful and very vibrant sometimes bordering on like neon like it's kind of campy and hokey yes these kind of dance like it very much is so yeah groots amazing some people have complained about group well star-lords to start yeah but is he that's right I mean you know you could save rocket oh you're a surfer tha a lot of people are they're questioning the the Groot utilization but everybody talks about great yeah everybody talks I always tell people Groot is the glue that holds this group - it is it is even there's a very simple words we are Groot yes I am Groot yes he pulls the team together yes so and he's the character he's saved there is multiple times like it is like star-lord is that but he's the leader but it's like somebody said to what do you want a giant star-lord head back there then it's gold like freakin t3 or something you don't want that or this like Frankenstein on on Mary Shelley's lowest on like this this is a mythical story a magical story and that's what crew does yeah he is the character with man did you put a giant like freakin Egon or something on goes head no you play hey pup you put put Slimer there it is those characters that kids and that people love you know and in a group with the mouth it makes more sense and I can't think of a better character but there let's talk about music or can we so that's the the big heated debate right now is we saw the spec sheet and I'll throw that up here in a minute but it said Original Score and composition or compose composition by such and such but does it have the seventies music the eighties love there's no thing that's gonna have it as of right now our sources are saying it doesn't look like it has it yes which is a kick in the nuts but I'm not gonna beat around the bush that's a kick in the nuts it is because the film literally is centralized that is a character around effing fact miss says hey it's a character like it is literally the film the whole purpose of the film hmm in a sense is because of that music in that taya because of his mother yeah and everything else it's the reason for a yeah you kissing thing yes in the fights people are like and you feel that's the most tinted part of that film you fill whenever that that aliens got his walkman yes and then you're here and the big I'm acting scenes are full those musics there's all this ass kicking in slow motion and it's just these yes yes all going on like that is the feel at the moon and I think that that can be I'm not gonna say the make or break but it sort of is a make or break it's a big one between it being an amazing pin because sounds and call us are huge in pinball we know that right now I'm teetering on did I want to buy this game I really want this machine I'm trying to figure out do I want the pro do I want to upgrade to the premium ollie um the theme itself is a theme that's strong enough for me to buy Nelly and I got to tell you Greg then not having all I wants three songs guys license me three songs if I could get three license songs I think that's what takes me to the L yeah cuz I could deal I could deal with three I could deal with three songs just or like wizard modes or mini mode like in like certain modes or something I can achieve because that way it's they're not played out I don't hear them all the time but it's almost like the movie actually I think it would it save them money and it'd be better integration because like I said like during a lot of the fight sequences and big things that's when those songs are being played right so that's like it could be like the pin like you get cause that's your Lord yes it's your reward so that's going on while you're doing a multiball a multiball wizard mode yeah maybe throw one of the modes like a one of the modes have one of those songs yeah here's the song starts turn please find a way to licensees or something get these get some of these songs just at least look into it let us know that it costs way too I don't care we need hooked on a feeling by blizzard we need to get Chaka ooga booga that was on the dam the advertisements that's what that's what made people go to the theater I think no no no no no one heard of guardians of the galaxy being part of this Marvel Universe yeah not really yeah you're a comic book guy I'm talking about Joe general public no but Chris Pratt was in it mmm which at the time was really a parcel for as long as what made people go see it the funk the funk is what made people go see it they sell the colors they sell that eighties integration they heard that music and they thought this is different this is an Iron Man or spider-man this is different that's what made people go I need to come and get your love by redbone and your redbone aren't you can we get your loves got to be in there and you child by the five Stairsteps those three you maybe throw a little cherry maybe throw that in there during a multiball or something high paced you know I check about yeah alright like your rendition I don't either but Stern if somebody's watching from Stern please you really do have to all joking aside we got to find a way this is no [ __ ] this machine you guys you guys got something here it's right there can we go down to that where we have love it or hate it okay so the music is the thing that that's that's the only thing beat and dead horse okay go ahead what do you hate I everyone out there to know at least I'm talking everyone out there knows we don't [ __ ] people I do not feel like we we we don't win on yeah you know what I love everything it's a happy Wow that's kind of how you oh no no no no I'm not like that I'm like a lot I like a lot of things I'm a happy person and I don't like a lot I'm happy but I'm not gonna [ __ ] you know so we don't [ __ ] about game manufacturers about if you've got quality control issues we're gonna tell you we're gonna say something if we don't like that game we're gonna say it the shows for you guys and we're trying to inform you guys about solve yes and what you need to know yes and it is an opinion but we're not gonna cover that opinion based on certain manufacturers or anything else so what benefit is that it is not know but here is my problem with this pin is I don't know what quality control issues are gonna be okay I don't know if there's gonna be any there mo like its Stern so there's most likely gonna be some quality control problems I'd say at some point oh hold up I'm gonna fight first turn here I'm not even close to being a stern fanboy I like the company I like the pins but name a machine that doesn't have that that's very true very true but they've had some major stuff okay some may have hat hat so I'm hoping their drawers issues Aerosmith there but nothing really nothing with the rooster crack card and it's on that one there here enough okay fairness so they've had it's been some significant sort of significant things what issues with Star Wars we've got some broken Star Wars we've had some broken TIE fighters we've had some I think there was a couple ghosting machines that's if it's rare rare yes then I always look at yeah overlooked it but I've got that you've got to give stern credit when credit is due and I think that that Stern I'm not gonna say that Ellie did it the premiums pushing it but at least in the pro I feel they addressed a lot of people's concerns I want more toys I want something that's not sculpted [ __ ] I want it ornate like groots head when you look into his eyes everything looks fantastic yeah the fact that you hit his mouth and his mouth opens everything else Maginot Pro Magneton a pro like they addressed a lot of the stuff at the price point of a pro so I am NOT gonna hound them that this pin makes me feel like I'm ripped I make the best pros oh yes like I feel that this has more than or as much at least as my walking dead or Metallica Pro like I feel that they're back to that like a Metallica Pro hide yeah it was everything you don't feel away about the premium I just don't know if it's worth the cost okay let's let's do this drinks let's tell the people the differences between the Pro Premium le at this point we're not gonna discuss much about the pro because you've seen the pictures and you know what's included but will tell you what you're gonna get in the premium and le and then we'll tell you what you're gonna get in the LA alright so tell me how important these things are to you so when you upgrade from the pro to the premium and the pro we're clocking in at 61 ninety nine MSRP street price mid fives premium you're clocking in at seventy eight ninety nine MSRP street price low sevens mmm-hmm okay Ellie you're clocking in at eighty nine ninety nine that one makes me sweat yes um street price maybe five eighty five maybe maybe I don't have inject some yeses honestly I don't know I'm just guessing so from the pro to the premium you're jumping up twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen hundred bucks at least thousand yeah thousand fifteen you're going to get instead of just white GI you're going to get the red white and blue bulbs that alternate between different modes like your metallic you tell the light show kind of thing you're a CDC's like that yes oh yeah you're gonna get your apron that's metal and powder coated instead of the black plastic apron okay I like that you're going to get all the inserts or RG B's so they say but then when I look at some of the pictures of the premium le the inserts look color so I don't know how they're gonna do that but they say full RGB inserts okay I love that I love that okay you get the Groot arms now I tell you what these things could be modded out but they will never look like that mm-hmm they will never look like that you get the moving rocket coil assisted gunfire recoil mm-hmm that's cool yeah it's essentially tie fire he moves that's cool thank you okay you get the motorized orb all right you get instead of one middleman you get the three see you more chaos okay you also get multicolored pop bumpers they change RGB as well you get two spinners we love spinners like spinners spinners are in there you get spinners you get ramp decals you're the Randy cows you get the playfield not on pegs so this thing slides out and they get the new system where I don't think it's got the big bump in it oh okay okay easy slide out so that's what you're getting with the premium le is it worth that that's a lot of stuff the premium I think is what that's what I was saying the the I'm I would still go with the pro okay I think the pro has enough to make me very happy and the price point the premium if I had the money this is one that I would maybe buy a premium on I don't have any problem with the premium um the le is where that my problem was and usually with board games on like a pro it up yeah but this one man there's something kind of special with all the features of that premium yeah I mean you know what but they're like if you were to add everything up it's very close to what you're gonna get monetarily of what you're gonna be at you're gonna be short labor costs yes if you're gonna do it yeah so it's it's a it's a decently fair price but well I mean yeah I'm saying a jump the jump is deep but the Le again is where my problem lies all right so let me tell you what you're getting with the Olli okay how about that so over the premium when you bump back up it looks like it's gonna be an extra thousand bucks mm-hmm you're gonna get to the Le only 600 are made and when I say only 600 it gives a lot a few though yeah it could be smaller monthly and let that and half goes overseas half stays here I still think 600 limited editions is quite a bit so you get 300 in the States you get a numbered plate I commemorate if you get Gary Stern certificate authenticity you get Borges autograph it's not on the play field anymore it's on the actual apron there's a spot for it now you do get a shaker motor thank you sir you get a mirrored bag glass which is not three options I do like that Thank You Stern you're listening you get side blades now that only it's that only happened with the super alley I think maybe it would it was on the Le as well I'm Batman regardless they're termed out of the world as the title of them they're Christopher Franciso designer or side blades that are gonna be installed out of the box you get that and then you get the gold powder coat as well which is you know that's not cheap and it's not fun to do is it's not worth it to me okay all right I mean the mono Tommy we have $500 for armor no not that much okay three four bucks for armor 300 tops they're not doing the coin door and stuff 300 there are two side blades another hundred shaker motor 150 mirrored back glass I value that at a couple hundred bucks Borges autographed those are kind of just the nice little things but we're close okay but okay let's let's go with this you gotta love the full pan because somebody has asked this and as sort of a this or that or deal somebody has brought up what do you do about pirates like what are you gonna be like like look at pirates look at what jjp is doing with pirates like me how can you even compare this the Pirates how do you do that Ellie I don't think you can compare it to Pirates at the price I don't think you can but what if you liked this was telling you earlier would you take a fully loaded Pirates of the Caribbean and not care for the theme as much or do you take a Guardians that you just loved the theme but it's not as packed as a Ellie as your JJ peas and that's what people are gonna have to do well yeah that there's always gonna be the select few that do that that's why people pay a ridiculous amount for it for some [ __ ] I think that's what it is the question it comes down to yeah terminator is not a great game he wasn't paying for it because it's a game they remember from the 90s that they played as a kid or us the theme of Terminator the JJ ple may be almost a thousand dollars more than the stern Ellie I thought that Ellie was a B no the standard is 85 yeah there's 95 but it still it still got up quite a bit going on honestly at 85 okay but here's something that I do not think that you can argue is you cannot compare the pro to those at all you cannot compare the road to a standard that drives me crazy yeah like this this for the price difference like if you take what a jjp Pirates has and you take what a pro model Guardians has I not being would not even be a question in my head of which one I'm gonna go for the money I would much rather go with guardians and save my close to 4 grand yeah and have in my hand versus going up and getting that pirates really yes now if it was a between an Guardians Ellie and a pirates I'm gonna buy a pirate's at that price okay but there is no question in my mind that I would not go 100 percent with this game it's too beautiful with too much going on to not be able to justify that extra 4 grand up ok that's fair do you think that I can already feel do you feel that way sort of it's hard for me just because this is this is the coal maybe you're gonna pick this anyways because you just love it you love the thing no no no I there's nothing like a truce Jack Pirates of the Caribbean I played that things also me this family yeah I think it's I can't get on my head I love what pulls in my heartstrings and it always will as theme art and things that you don't play that's important to me as a collector that it's not important to a lot of people a lot of people in pin side it is not important but for me that's where the magic happens I can have a great student pin but if I'm not wanting to play Guardians or if I'm not great Pirates of the Caribbean again yeah that's everything there's always gonna be this one saying family the culmination is it comes together too tightly with Franchi or and guardians it's hard for me to turn away from that I just yeah I just I love pipes like it blew me away like a blue one I had yes I do like I still think about it and dream about it and wonders you should buy a Nellie Pirates and a pro guardians I can't afford both of those I would love that oh I did throw in Houdini you guys we've got we got a lot of good we've got good stuff coming up don't we this is hard but I was saying my whole point is is as much as I love that pirate yeah I could think this at the price I don't even know what point you're making at this point because your tight ass and you want to save money with the pro but then again you like the part no but I'm saying that there's so much going on here that it's not just the money but you coupling that money it's like it's for pro in 4,000 or jersey Jack Kelly I'm going with this yeah my bottom you know that game I'm gonna keep my walking dead by this line up instead of selling that and then just having a pirate a lot of people would I gotta shoot at first just yeah oh well I agree I mean it kind of like [ __ ] you we could get it in it again this is another one like we're we're it's speculation like sorry I don't get mad anything we say none of us have shot on this damn thing the display is all wrong but it's like when we talk as we love this it's discussion this is a thing young people are gonna rip our asses we're gonna go to viewer comments why do you go ahead and you start talking about a pen that nobody's played you get all this [ __ ] well because we love and pinball that's why I'm gonna be straight on yeah I'm gonna be honest with you like I think when people get mad about talking about pinball I'm gonna speculate on everything because I love pinball and I get to talk about rainbow cuz there ain't [ __ ] going on right now I'm sober I'm gonna talk about this game it's speculated but because I love pinball he's really discussing you know it's about talking about how fast Ricardo hey John can you carve 100 mile an hour I don't know Bob you open your cargo hunter monitor you see it ring your [ __ ] about it and everything else until something gets in their car and they drive that son of a [ __ ] finally that's it so you just like talking about you like talking about how fast your car you like talking about the things you I think you can I think you could talk about or now I think you can talk about the shots and layout now yeah you can see it we've played enough pinball machines we know the shots and layout are so intertwined with gameplay obviously yeah we don't know how the music works we don't know how the video comes what would you rather have video clips that are sweet from the film or the music the music now with to the music stirs I'm not watching [ __ ] darn I don't want to look pathetic and I won't beg here but you guys gotta find a way to get some of those songs especially the ones I said alright so let's go to the viewer comments we put on Facebook and you guys are freaking awesome on Facebook we said we're gonna read through this video what are some of your thoughts let's read through these we got a really good response our main boy Ryan what's up Ryan Ryan from where is he Wisconsin where Chicago area Mr Bowen yeah yeah nose closes he said what do you say he was on about an hour from Expo man you might be Wisconsin Ryan says Jersey Jack Pirates of the Caribbean greater than guardians which is then greater than Star Wars so he ranks guardians right in the middle of Star Wars and Pirates of the Caribbean I think Thomas say that at this point yeah I think it's apples and oranges alright I win Delille says wire ramps would look nicer I won't understand agree the only thing that I don't like is your initial ramp yeah it's gotta be metal out of metal so it hides a lot was I just call for a lot of metal no I don't have to call for metal I don't think it'd be out of place but I just don't like plastic and the reason I don't like plastic is because no matter how much you take care of your plastic ramps they get the badass wide ball line especially your actual ramp now you're you're you're coming down your feed but you gotta try to flame polish that damn thing to make it look good again otherwise it's just it ends up hiding a lot of art and lights and stuff itself because it looks blurry and nasty to me I like the looks of a plastic ramp better than I do metal but I like the feel and the sound of a metal grant better than a plastic here's the nice thing about plastic ramps great how much does a color team d-formed 400 bucks how much is topper mmm how much is it the LED a Bali Williams game hundred bucks yeah you're doing bad glass 130 ok hundred thirty how much is it for a new set of rings mmm it depends on the game mmm my house where I like to PT okay how much is it for if you bought an extra set all right Alex so in a nutshell I think the plastic works better with this theme it allows that color to feed through but yeah everybody likes now be like well I just think there's a quality to the wire Alex Casimir checker casts his Marchak I think it's good smear cheek Alex says I think the game looks fun I will enjoy playing one on location but this was the theme I liked a lot and I was hoping to get one but I'm not going to spend money on a game that almost plays exactly like Metallica so we kind of we love you man I love you Alex but and it very well could play freaking almost identical but I don't think it's going to much do there's too much difference Christopher Fran she charmed and he said brilliant I love that in the hey Jason Knapp said is the apparent lack of songs for a movie that the music is so ingrained the plot of the big is a big negative is it still possible the stern will include some songs since no one has actually heard the game yet Jason this is what we're hoping we are hoping that Stern does that put the pressure on them and I don't think your PIN browser that replaces some of those metallic so I don't think it works with spike reach out to us if it does then I'll stop freaking out but man this is making me sad it'd still be hard chasing this awesome show by the way thanks he just found us at the Pirates video blog really appreciate I mean thank you the eye rolling towards you just hit first me it always towards me Casey says looks awesome but I need to play 50 plus games before any rating that matter my good sir sure is the greatest comment we received yeah on every I always tell people 50 games before you know the rules Mike Castleman are the only differences between Pro and other versions the addition of groots arm so he's asking we already answered the differences Chris meter says looks great will be interesting to see game play Sterne listen to some the complaints and tried to differentiate the propria Nelly I agree here's a point that we didn't make Chris I appreciate you bringing it up because made me think about it starting to listening to us guys on the Le you added the shaker motor a thank you right thank you yes thank you thank you sir you want to thank it for the meter back glass thank you thank you stirring keep doing that no other but mirrored on Le here's what you gonna do stern you're almost there guys you're almost there on the Le you've got to give us that glass you got to give us that glass but you know what else that seems they did what you got the same game there's not a lot of differences no oh there's they're listening there's yeah there's almost very there little code difference maybe the magnets and stuff there should be very little coding difference you don't have a WAV models yeah it's not a completely different game between them your buddy in the same game basic you guys Stern le if we're gonna spend that much and your if your guys are one to complete in the limited edition market with Colette that's the hell I know I don't know but if you're listening if you want to compete with the Le market versus Jersey Jack and some of your other competitors you've got a shaker motors a plus me your back glass the plus you get a couple more things you're missing you're missing that in busy glass right and you're missing the topper topper needs to come with it guys gotta have that topper I agree thank you Chris goose goose goose we heard from you for a long time what you been at where you bankers he said I can't justify the premium le prices anymore since jjp showed us dialed in pirates the Caribbean so can we argue no at this point we can but are they taking steps they're taking very good steps they're taking steps I said I will just talk says how long til the broken group fingers from the air balls but you know what though I think so I I think that it's a possibility I think groots mouth I don't think hurts mouth I think they'll have that solid but yeah depending on we're gonna find more we're on groots chain than you're on any those fingers and things ain't breaking I don't know no their number I don't know I I am I am curious to see how well they what about the argument that's in the way I've looked at it a few times and I'm I'm not concerned so much about my went on right hand the left hand Robert dollar letter that's part of the game it's part of the game I mean I can't you know like it's supposed to be in the way I don't think it'll be in the way in person it's a shooting it's too cool to care all right PB you and Bo and desirable says is the Metallica Iron Man comparisons fair and doesn't matter is it sort of addressed that I think it's fair they're definitely pheasant matter no all right it's definitely fair though PB you goes on to say Ellie price isn't viable when compared to JJ P so he's making that point so how stripped-down will the pro version be I love this BB you says is this refreshingly colorful or too much color so we discussed that a little bit but I know somebody that did a really good response to it you know who yeah francha himself because for French says I'll answer that for you since it was my responsibility the movie is extremely colorful so I felt the art should reflect that also being these games are usually played in the dark be it a basement or a bar I couldn't let the vibrant IP and like intellectual property light Guardians look dull it's far from a dull movie one more thing beating the game is so complicated use of color helps distinguish the different zones which is that I was arguing most of all pinball is an expensive toy I wanted to make sure people got their money's worth I like playfields to be an assault on the senses he says artists have a three foot by one and a half foot area to visually represent not only a movie but a world you have to cram a lot in there or some fingertip callused keyboard jockey is whining because you left out the house if I didn't feel I if I didn't feel I did all those things I would have done it differently I think considering all of that I pulled it off all I can do now is hope people like it Frankie Sarah hats off to you oh very true very true Chris that looked good but that's true yeah I'm not gonna go into the art again uh Joseph Peraino says looks like it's going to be a Metallica label but not chopping wood I'm in great show guys see that's the problem I have Metallica kind of got our sentiment there it's Metallica but it's not Metallica it's better well we don't know that I liked the ordinal al better I know that code is the only thing I don't know about okay I don't like what have you gotta hit that ramp like 15 times you gotta hit that orb 15 times what are you gonna do then I'm gonna come on I kind of want it to be that away this I can smack you in the face no no no I just don't like the I'm not crazy about the code on that so I don't see it being Donal things I mean joe cipriano says this or that guardians the galaxy premium and safe mm or pirates the caribbean le oh now that's tough family stuff we'll take that too this or that Charles Smith to our buddy Charles chiming in again he said plastic ramps I've only purchased pre-stress Charles okay trust he said I've only purchased premium machines so my first reaction is that I like the metal ramps I'd like to hear your thoughts on long-term where for plastic rings but I'm excited about this machine and I'll still go ahead with premium yeah again it's just like I don't think they all around I mean 20 years where's the steel ramps I'm walking dead that's so sad but but they they're they get a little all trail in them it's not horrible don't get me wrong like there's gonna where the actual for the metal does not get bad it's a little ball track like you would get on your play field yeah but the actual ramp itself you're a chatty cat did yeah it's kind of a wide group and this is this is only reason I'm kind of against it cuz I called my lost world they'll turn yellow and it's not really turning yellow it okay it's it's hazed because of the the scuff of the ball and we're an LED like I had a white heli be it hold up hold up I'm sorry we're talking about Stern machines you're worried about the ramps you always talk about long I wonder what long term use are we really worried about the ramps yeah okay let's go to the next one you're the slap-happy at this point all right and we you gotta love Scottie D with PinStadium Lights putting his plug in it he said you know that play Phil's gonna rock with the pit stadium uv+ glow flasher features as soon as was announced orders start coming in for the Penn Stadium kits which are compatible with guardians but as Scott hasn't called him up like when they were in production whatever game coming out with deep ISM UV glow paint in there I'm gonna tear this [ __ ] up knowing Scott personally thanks for that I guarantee you Joe ping graphics he's gonna have some cool mods for the pro in the premium yeah yeah I bet those are blades to finish this all off do you want anything you want to say before I end us out I think I bush might be a good look all right you guys wanna know where to get one of these games Larry and then pin out the nicest distributor in the business it's gonna take care of you it's Larry at flip and out pin bolt so we're gonna get ours me and Zach are talking yep we're we're wearing that cahoots here we're trying the negotiations are yeah about how that we can we can get team up on team up and get us a guardian yeah cuz excellent get off who do so so if you guys want guardians of the galaxy crawl Larry over there flipping out pinball he's gonna have some stock coming in I think shipment is two to three weeks no now let's not get people's hopes up the pro is going to go through like three weeks yeah but those are four shows they're gonna be four open parties and arcade parties and different stuff like that pros are gonna go out there you're gonna see pros probably at the end of November oh oh yeah oh okay so four weeks and in November you're gonna see Ellie's coming about a week or two after the sorry pair saw them apologize everybody's off one week I want that mr. detail and then you're gonna see Ellie's probably mid-december - the goal is I think they're smart trying to get everything out fourth quarter for Christmas yeah and the whole hired ship yes that's true I think that's when you're gonna see another good thing let me get in at Larry's beautiful Larry's tell ya tell them SDTM sent you we need some little flipping out love people know that we we definitely ain't the stern train we Stern army we need any of that I like em all but again I do too I just want something that plays good but again I will have to give one more credit to stern I don't like this burns I feel like I'm but the fact that they announced a game in three verses later he would say it's coming to my door I like it I like it I like that they put in the work to get there oh that's just because they're established manufacturer and they can do or in out 50 machines again yes so I think there is a reason behind that you know it wouldn't surprise me right now if we if there's guardians of the galaxy right now in Chicago on the line they're building them I almost guarantee you oh yeah I think so yeah i think productions being ramped up to get them out all right guys that's it checkout flipping out pinball for all of your stern jersey jack american pinball chicago gaming company any pinball machine you want the dude's got it a NT did tell me that he's got stopped fresh stock of stern right now so if you guys are looking for one of those nice Stern machines like the ones behind us call him up he's got in stock he'll ship it right to your house pretty fast very affordable we just can't get enough of Larry flipping now what are we gonna do next week we're gonna shoot another video I can't wait to review the same dude next right check out debt flips video he's gonna stream this thing hopefully within the next couple weeks and then like a week or so we can also you know what check out if you guys want to know more about the rules in the details and pictures you can go to our buddy this weekend pinball yeah very good little report that nice report on the rules and different muscle Castle we're gonna be at the grand old game room Expo here on this weekend but the next weekend yes we're gonna do a live show there oh yeah I've been in Chicago you know a rundown on the show any cool stuff we've seen how the time is in man I've heard really good stuff about this show it's only in the second year but you know yeah very nice it's not like some oh [ __ ] like this guy's this guy's will be really very nice yeah so we're happy to be a part of it very much so and then we'll probably I'll try to get down to Texas and stuff yeah and uh hit us up when you're there we're gonna do uh possibly a show discount on our shirts if you see us in person a to me this is news yes down [ __ ] okay I'm gonna have those shirts we'll probably sell them in uh flipping out pinball blares booth there so you know if you hit us up with the show say another SDTM you guys Rock yeah and like we always say if you wear an SDT I'm sure to a show and you come up to us and see us and some special come to you mm-hmm like Ryan Ryan got his photograph with us see that's special it was special no we got we're sending out something yes we are alright until then guys thanks for hearing us ramble about Gardens the galaxy let us know what you think in the comments section as well as reaching out to us talking [ __ ] again this is just our opinion so that we can discuss pinball first impressions nothing wrong with it don't get up in arms about it or do we don't care I do I don't want to get mad well pinball have fun pinball makes me mad so I'm fine with it peace out guys

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