# SDTM Episode 98: This Or That?

**Source:** Straight Down the Middle  
**Type:** video  
**Published:** 2019-08-04  
**Duration:** 55m 32s  
**Beat:** Pinball

**URL:** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaJdRzlZdkI

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## Analysis

Zach Sharpe Meny and Greg Bone host a "This or That" episode of Straight Down the Middle, comparing various pinball machines across themes, mechanics, code, and aesthetics. Discussions cover new releases (Willy Wonka Standard, Black Knight Premium, Oktoberfest, Deadpool, Iron Maiden) and classic machines, with hosts debating which games offer better play experiences, art direction, and long-term appeal. The episode includes casual tangents about coffee makers and personal anecdotes.

### Key Claims

- [HIGH] Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory (Standard Edition) is rolling out and coming to Zanzibar location after Bar of Soap project completes — _Zach and Greg discussing upcoming installations at Zanzibar; Zach mentions taking photos tonight_
- [HIGH] Black Knight Premium Edition has an upper playfield, superior Louis toy mechanics compared to Oktoberfest, and brings back Black Knight 2000 mini Wizard mode — _Greg Bone's detailed analysis of Black Knight's mechanical features vs Oktoberfest_
- [HIGH] Oktoberfest by American Pinball has more toys and features overall than Black Knight but needs polish and cleaning up — _Zach acknowledges Oktoberfest needing polish; Greg notes it's colorful with more toys and better gameplay feel_
- [HIGH] Deadpool and Iron Maiden are selling like crazy for Stern Pinball right now — _Zach states these two games 'are selling like crazy for Stern Pinball right now'_
- [HIGH] Deadpool's code has significantly improved and now offers as much depth or more than Iron Maiden — _Zach: 'I would even say that I kind of like the code in Deadpool (Stern 'AC/DC (Pro Vault Edition)') just as well, if not more, than I do Iron Maiden'_
- [HIGH] Iron Maiden has better mode differentiation with Juggernaut, Katana Rama, and Mech Suit Multi-Ball offering more sensory variety — _Greg discussing Iron Maiden's varied modes vs Deadpool's more uniform shot-based gameplay_
- [MEDIUM] Pirates of the Caribbean (Jersey Jack) is priced around $10,000 — _Zach calls Pirates 'a ten thousand dollar pin' during comparison with Tron/Doctor Who combo_
- [MEDIUM] Iron Maiden shoots better than Deadpool but both have minor clumpy characteristics — _Zach: 'I honestly think Iron Maiden shoots better. But it's not by a lot. Both of them have a little clump to them.'_
- [MEDIUM] The Lord of the Rings is 'the best game' but has poor aesthetics, while Pirates is more playable in current context — _Geronik's submission discussion: one host calls LOTR 'so ugly as shit' despite acknowledging it's the best game_
- [MEDIUM] Cosmic Carnival features hand-sculpted and painted toys (clown, mech guy) by Dirty Donut with UV lights accentuating neon — _Zach describing Cosmic Carnival's artisan craftsmanship and lighting design_

### Notable Quotes

> "It's just shoot fun. There's a lot more going on. There's more toys than the knight."
> — **Greg Bone**, ~15:30
> _Explaining preference for Oktoberfest's complexity over Black Knight's medieval simplicity_

> "Kinetic satisfaction is what Keith Elwin calls that. It just feels good."
> — **Zach Sharpe Meny**, ~38:00
> _Describing Iron Maiden's raw, satisfying gameplay feel vs Deadpool's feature-richness_

> "It's like the perfect pin for ADHD people. It's like, ah!"
> — **Greg Bone**, ~37:00
> _Characterizing Iron Maiden's sensory-heavy mode variety and rapid transitions_

> "Those two pins are fun. It's two pins to one. You know I'm a quantity."
> — **Greg Bone**, ~50:30
> _Hedging bet in Jurassic Park vs (Iron Maiden + Deadpool) debate, prioritizing quantity over theme FOMO_

> "If I could literally never ever own it... I'd go with easily Jurassic Park."
> — **Greg Bone**, ~50:00
> _Revealing that strong IP themes override gameplay preferences in true scarcity scenarios_

> "The Lord of the Rings... it's so ugly as shit... I'll play Pirates more right now."
> — **Geronik (via submission/discussion)**, ~65:00
> _Illustrating tension between best gameplay and aesthetics; Pirates preferred despite LOTR being superior game_

> "How beautiful would it be if I walked down here and all three of those JGPs were sitting here?"
> — **Greg Bone**, ~62:00
> _Expressing desire for complete JJP trilogy (Wizard of Oz, Hobbit, Pirates) as visual/aesthetic appeal_

> "I'm still, like I really do not want to say this... I'm going with Iron Maiden."
> — **Zach Sharpe Meny**, ~32:00
> _Expressing surprise at his own preference for Iron Maiden over Deadpool despite Deadpool's thematic appeal_

### Entities

| Name | Type | Context |
|------|------|---------|
| Zach Sharpe Meny | person | Co-host of Straight Down the Middle pinball podcast; collector and enthusiast with opinions on game design, code quality, and aesthetics |
| Greg Bone | person | Co-host of Straight Down the Middle; pinball collector with preference for mechanical toys, playfield complexity, and thematic coherence |
| Straight Down the Middle (SDTM) | organization | Pinball podcast hosted by Zach Sharpe Meny and Greg Bone; focuses on game reviews, comparisons, and community engagement |
| Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory (Standard Edition) | game | Recent Stern release; priced around $7,500; coming to Zanzibar location; whimsical/magical theme; both hosts prefer it in Standard vs Black Knight Premium matchup |
| Black Knight Premium Edition | game | Stern release; medieval theme with blood and swords; features upper playfield, Louis toy, Black Knight 2000 mini Wizard mode; strong code and call-outs; calls player 'asshat' |
| Oktoberfest | game | American Pinball release; colorful theme with many toys; fun playfield but needs code polish; improving with updates; Greg prefers it over Black Knight thematically |
| Deadpool | game | Stern release with Marvel theme; code has significantly improved post-launch; selling well; unique Katana toy; more loaded with shots than Iron Maiden; improved skill shots |
| Iron Maiden | game | Stern release with band theme; modes include Juggernaut, Katana Rama, Mech Suit Multi-Ball; strong differentiation between modes; both hosts ultimately prefer to Iron Maiden over Deadpool; shoots slightly better than Deadpool |
| Pirates of the Caribbean | game | Jersey Jack Pinball release; priced ~$10,000; standalone favorite over Wizard of Oz and Hobbit in group comparisons despite strong JJP trio option |
| The Lord of the Rings | game | Classic/premium pin; described as 'the best game' with exceptional gameplay but poor aesthetics ('ugly as shit'); long ball times; currently played less than Pirates |
| Medieval Madness | game | Classic pin with castle, bridges, thorns, trolls; compared against Wizard of Oz and Lord of the Rings in trilogy matchups |
| The Wizard of Oz (Standard Edition) | game | Classic pin; features melt-the-witch mechanic; compared in trio matchups against Medieval Madness and Lord of the Rings |
| The Hobbit (Standard Edition) | game | Jersey Jack Pinball release; part of JJP trilogy (with Wizard of Oz, Pirates); compared in three-pack options |
| Doctor Who | game | Tron-like pin described as 'okay/fine'; hosts express limited play time and suggest it needs more coverage/review |
| Tron | game | Blast to play; price-comparable to Doctor Who; compared against Pirates of the Caribbean trio |
| The Shadow | game | Classic pin; compared against Whirlwind in Indiana Jones matchup set; hosts cannot decide between The Shadow and Whirlwind |
| Whirlwind | game | Classic pin; compared against The Shadow; described as one of hosts' favorites in remake discussion context |
| Indiana Jones | game | Classic pin; easily preferred by Zach over Whitewater in final comparison; described as 'no' (meaning obviously the choice) |
| Whitewater | game | Classic pin; acknowledged as 'a blast though' but loses to Indiana Jones in direct comparison |
| Attack from Mars (remake) | game | Remake mentioned in final comparison set; paired with Whitewater and The Shadow against classics trio |
| Monster Bash (remake) | game | Remake mentioned in final comparison; loses to Attack from Mars preference in Barks' submission |
| Cosmic Carnival | game | Suncoast game; features hand-sculpted/painted toys by Dirty Donut (clown, mech guy); UV lights accentuate neon; preferred over The Mafia by Team Pinball; better artwork and shots |
| Keith Elwin | person | Tournament/professional pinball player; credited with coining 'kinetic satisfaction' term for describing gameplay feel |
| Stern Pinball | company | Major pinball manufacturer; producing Black Knight, Deadpool, Iron Maiden, Willy Wonka, and other recent releases discussed; noted for strong one-two punch with recent games |
| American Pinball | company | Pinball manufacturer producing Oktoberfest; smaller manufacturer compared to Stern |
| Jersey Jack Pinball (JJP) | company | Premium pinball manufacturer producing The Hobbit, Wizard of Oz, Pirates of the Caribbean; 'JJP trilogy' referenced as desirable collector combo |

### Topics

- **Primary:** Game Comparison & Selection (This or That), Recent Stern Releases (Deadpool, Iron Maiden, Black Knight), Playfield Mechanics & Louis Toys, Code Quality & Mode Depth, Aesthetic Design & Theming
- **Secondary:** Gameplay Feel vs Feature Richness (Kinetic Satisfaction), Pricing & Value Proposition, Collector Preferences & FOMO

### Sentiment

**Positive** (0.75) — Hosts are enthusiastic about recent Stern releases (Deadpool, Iron Maiden, Black Knight) and appreciate improvements in code quality. Praise for American Pinball's Oktoberfest and Jersey Jack's portfolio. Some criticism of game polish (Oktoberfest) and aesthetic choices (Lord of the Rings described as 'ugly as shit' despite gameplay quality). Overall tone is celebratory of the current pinball market with specific games offering strong gameplay and thematic experiences.

### Signals

- **[community_signal]** This or That segment actively soliciting community submissions for game comparisons; hosts requesting continued submissions to maintain segment interest (confidence: high) — Zach: 'We need your help. If you guys want to continue to see This or That, make sure to submit in the comments below what decision you would like to see us make'
- **[sentiment_shift]** Strong community preference for Iron Maiden's mode differentiation and 'kinetic satisfaction' despite Deadpool's thematic appeal and feature richness (confidence: high) — Both hosts ultimately choose Iron Maiden; Zach surprised by his own preference; discussion emphasizes mode variety and raw gameplay feel
- **[competitive_signal]** Iron Maiden positioned as superior tournament/competitive game due to mode differentiation and kinetic gameplay feel vs Deadpool's more uniform shot-based mechanics (confidence: medium) — Greg emphasizes Iron Maiden's varied modes (Juggernaut, Katana Rama, Mech Suit) creating 'sensory overload' vs Deadpool's more linear progression
- **[design_philosophy]** Black Knight Premium successfully revives classical mechanical toy design (Louis toy with flames) appealing to hosts who value interactive secondary mechanics (confidence: medium) — Greg notes Louis toy 'is something that was welcomed by me, by Sean Pinball' and compares favorably to individual Oktoberfest toys; describes mech as 'super cool'
- **[licensing_signal]** Theme and IP licensing create significant FOMO and perceived value; hosts acknowledge thematic preference can override gameplay quality in scarcity scenarios (confidence: high) — Greg hedging Jurassic Park debate: 'If I could literally never ever own it... I'd go with easily Jurassic Park' despite acknowledging Iron Maiden/Deadpool duo as superior games
- **[market_signal]** Deadpool and Iron Maiden are selling like crazy for Stern Pinball; strong secondary market demand indicates these are hot games (confidence: high) — Zach explicitly states 'these two are selling like crazy for Stern Pinball right now' and mentions players listing Guardians to fund Iron Maiden purchases
- **[community_signal]** Keith Elwin referenced as authority on gameplay terminology ('kinetic satisfaction') indicating continued influence of professional players on community discourse (confidence: medium) — Zach: 'Kinetic satisfaction is what Keith Elwin calls that' when describing Iron Maiden's raw gameplay feel
- **[market_signal]** Pirates of the Caribbean priced at approximately $10,000 (Jersey Jack premium tier); comparable to Tron/Doctor Who pricing (confidence: medium) — Zach: 'Pirates of the Caribbean right now, we're going to call that a ten thousand dollar pin'
- **[announcement]** Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory (Standard Edition) rolling out; coming to Zanzibar location after Bar of Soap project completion (confidence: high) — Zach mentions Zanzibar 'is about to get a Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory (Standard Edition)' and will take photos at location visit
- **[product_strategy]** American Pinball (Oktoberfest) positioned as colorful, toy-rich alternative to Stern's more code/mechanics-focused designs; trade-off between visual appeal and code polish (confidence: medium) — Greg: 'Oktoberfest is just more fun to me... It's colorful. And I think that it's just shoot fun. There's a lot more going on. There's more toys'
- **[product_concern]** Oktoberfest needs code polish and cleaning up despite having more toys and better playfield complexity than Black Knight (confidence: high) — Zach: 'You've said publicly that Oktoberfest needs a little bit more cleaning up to do. Polish, yeah.'
- **[sentiment_shift]** Deadpool code quality improvement has significantly enhanced game reception; Zach revised opinion from earlier skepticism to matching or exceeding Iron Maiden's code depth (confidence: high) — Zach: 'I would even say that I kind of like the code in Deadpool... just as well, if not more, than I do Iron Maiden' and notes player saying Deadpool 'I'm still rocking out and having a blast on it'

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## Transcript

 The weight is over. A revolution in LED lighting for your pinball is finally here. Fully customizable, full spectrum lighting from PinStadium Lights. Order yours now at PennStadium.com. Let's kick this shit. Welcome to another episode of Straight Down the Middle of Pinball Show. This is my best buddy Greg Bone. I'm Zach Minney. We are the hosts of this wonderful SDTM Pinball Show. How's it going, Greg? Hey! Wonderful. Still talking about them Shorty's Hot Dogs? No, we won't talk about them. I'm going to Zanzibar for a burger tonight. Are you? Best burgers in the world. You know what Zanzibar's about to get? Zanzibar, in the coming months, is about to get a Willy Wonka CE. Ants is crazy. He's awesome. He's crazy with his pins. I can't wait. I get so excited. But he probably won't put it on the floor until Bar of Soap. Which is coming soon. Yes, I'm excited. I'm excited to see the progress of the building over there, too. I almost have some photos tonight while I'm over there for you guys. I'm sporting my, Greg, you like this? Yeah. This is my Stern Insider shirt. I like it. It is really nice. I kind of like it, too. I do, too. It came with a pin and everything, so I'm an insider, are you? No. What are we doing this week, Gregory? This or that. It's been a little bit before. This or that. Hmm. the segment where you guys play along and decide between the calundrums. Calundrums. Between this pin or that pin. These pins or those pins. Greg's mom or alternative. What's your mom been up to? I miss your mom. Oh, I tried to get her to go to Zanzibar with me tonight. I still love that you got Keanu Reeves as the wallpaper of your phone. I had a really good friend pinball friend I won't call him you had? what happened to him? he was a really good pinball friend he fell under a pinball machine a couple weeks ago he literally wrote me and he was like dude I watched John Wick 3 you look like Keanu Reeves really? yeah that's what he said I used to get that Keanu Reeves in Speed because we got little slanty eyes that's why don't let this boss drop below 55 So we're going to do a this or that. These are going to be tough and they're going to be fun. We have a fair amount of submissions, but we need your help. If you guys want to continue to see this or that, make sure to submit in the comments below what decision you would like to see us make or the group make. Don't let them say what decision they'd like to see us make. Get rid of that fucking show for one. How about that? Who day? That's right. Have Greg film by himself. We get a couple of those comments lately. I could not handle it by myself. You could. You could. No, it'd be rough. I thought about trying my own podcast. Really? Yeah. I literally thought about that the other day. One every six months. Unedited. It's not getting edited. It's a one-taker nothing. Mom! Meatloaf! You're going to have that in the middle? Chelsea! I'm out of beer. Shut the damn kids up! So we get to go over this or that. This is going to be fun. There are a lot of new pens out. Wonka's rolling out. Black Knight's rolling out. Alice Cooper's are rolling out. Oktoberfest. Let's dive into that and some old pens. Old pens. Let's start out with... This one's by Java Grind 888. Java Grind. Java Grind. Probably a coffee sipper. They have their own coffee shop. You've got to be really into coffee. The name... Have you ever met a coffee connoisseur? a barista. Is that what they're called? I always think that's dirty barista. Yeah. Yeah. I love coffee but I don't like getting all wrapped up in the I don't like coffee. Vinties. Vinties. And all that shit. I'm like just I want a large coffee. Macchiatos. Yeah. I want it with a little white foam foam on there. I hope you go into Starbucks and say that. It was about to come out really wrong where I was opening myself up to some bad shit. I want some white stuff around my face. I gotta rephrase this. Did you know that I've only drank one cup of, or rather, to be fair, one sip of coffee in my adult life? I remember you told Boss there about that, and he was like, I'm going to go. He's stupid. I hate this guy. Doesn't drink beer or coffee. Oh, well. But yeah, I hate it. It's like sewer water. It's gross. So I had a, people get mad when we get into the stories. It's our show. Who cares? So I got really paranoid. I had a really nice coffee pot of paper. You were paranoid? Yeah. I got a really nice, this just literally happened. Okay. You saw it. So you saw why I got two coffee pots right now. I did. So I got a really nice coffee pot. Expensive. Well, it's like, it's expensive for Greg Bone. Yeah. Yeah. Expensive for me. And it's like, it's like, it was like, it wasn't shutting off, but my coffee was really bitter. I was tasting this bitterness. Like metal? Yeah. Like metal. But my coffee, like, like it wasn't shutting off. So like I had to Google about how a coffee. Some blenders do that. They over blend it and it tastes metallic. But go on. No, I know what you're talking about too. Yeah. I don't like that. But this was like, and so I Googled how a coffee pot works, and I was like, well, I don't really know how that this would affect my taste, because there's like three different fail-safes on there. It's basically just a horseshoe coil, and that horseshoe coil, on top of it, there's a water tube. Okay. So it goes from plastic into an aluminum tube, back to plastic, and up out the spot. And then that horseshoe thing is sandwiched between the plate that heats your pot. Okay. And sandwiched between the tube that heats your water. well there's a thermostat in there that will keep it it shuts it on and off to keep your your coffee at a certain temperature so the only thing that i could deduce yes from this situation the way a cockpot works because it kept on a brew and just keep on the steam every little bit of water and it's like that was actually good at me for like an hour yeah it was rough and so the only thing that i can think of is that thermostat's not working and so that it's heating to the point of really superheating that aluminum, but not to the point where it's about to catch fire because there's like, so not only is there a thermostat, but there's like two, almost like diodes in there that will blow if it gets too hot. They're like diodes. They look like diodes. Maybe I'm just calling them diodes. Like a little fuse, but it's not a fuse. It's like literally like a soldered, it looks like a diode. And that will blow if it gets too hot to keep your coffee pot from catching on fire. So the only thing I can think of is the thermostat went out. It's heating that aluminum to the point to where they're like, I'm actually tasting some of that aluminum. Tasting some of the... Yeah, because I actually had... I bet you're freaking out. Oh, I freaked out, yeah. So I had Chelsea taste it. Can coffee pots cause cancer? Did you wiggle that out? No, no, no. And it's not cancer. It's like it's going to cause me dementia, you know, like the aluminum. Like, yeah, I have dementia and shit. So, like, I had Chelsea taste it. We opened up a whole new can of coffee. As you drink your seventh beer today. Yeah, and Chelsea... Oh, yeah, yeah. That's good, though. That's fresh. It's a jingling light lager. That's good stuff. That's a solid beer. That is a solid beer. I bought a new, and I didn't want to spend that much money against it. I bought like a $16 coffee pot. This thing brews like a little champ, though. Coffee tastes fine. Oh, really? So it wasn't just in my head. But I don't know what went wrong. How to kill a pinball show in the first five minutes. Somebody will find that interesting. Talk about coffee pots or landscaping. I just saved you a Google of how it works. I just literally told you how a coffee pot works. And it rises because of the steam. So it basically superheats it, and that's what forces it up and out. It actually vaporizes the water. It's all just by gravity. I think any warm beverage is disgusting. There. How about that? Hot cocoa? Oh my God. Piss on it. You are insane. Disgusting. Hot tea? No thanks. Truly. You don't like cold beverages either. I do too. Pepsi? I love Pepsi. Sparkling water? Yeah. Berry propel? Propels. Sparkling water. Berry propel? I like that. A little electric water. Gives me a little boost in life. Beverage. Okay, let's get into this or that. These poor people have tuned out by now. This or that. Propel Berrywater. Java Grind. Bingley and I. That's how we started. Java Grind. Oh, yeah. That's where that whole thing came from. He said, okay, last this or that. You talked about Wonka. You talked about Black Knight. But let's put them up against each other. Willy Wonka. Standard. Running in about $7,500. Plus shipping. Good game. Or Black Knight by Stern Premium. Willy Wonka. That was quick. Yeah, I'm just not that into Black Knight. Okay, and you were mixed on Wonka. It's cool. It's fun. It's upbeat. It's got great music. But it's just... Yeah. It's cool. They're both fun games. They're both good games. I'd rather have Wonka. I like that whimsical, magical feel. It's kind of surprising. I'll go Wonka as well. Yeah, Wonka. It's one of my dream things. By default. Literally. Anything you put up against Wonka. I feel like it does shoot better. Wonka. Right? Some might argue the code on Black Knight's better. Ooh, good job. But I would argue I still like the layout and the code set of Wonka. Yeah. Which one looks better? Wonka. Really? Really? You think Black Knight does? No, I'm not saying that. I'm just surprised you're saying that. Why? I see that theming, that fighter with blood and swords and skeletons. Yeah, but it's so just basic red and red, yellow, black. That's what I see. I know it's not the only thing there, but that's all I see. You know how you will see a certain primary color? I look at Guardians and it radiates purple, blue, and orange. You know what I'm saying? Munsters is like a neon green gray. You know what I'm saying? And so Wonka stands out to me a lot more. Well, that was a simple one. Now, you submitted the next one, Mr. Bone. You said, let's stick with Black Knight Premium. Black Knight Premium or Oktoberfest by American Pinball. Now this one, a little tougher. Not for me. Okay, shoot. Boom, Oktoberfest. Oh. Even theming. People will kill me on that, but I take Oktoberfest as a theme over Black Knight. And I like knights. I like that medieval period. What do you like on Oktoberfest more so than you like Black Knight? It sounds like you're just not a Black Knight. I kind of like, I'm not. Is it a Steve Ritchie thing? No, because I like Ritchie games. A Tim Sexton thing? No, maybe. Kevin O'Connor thing? No. I like that you said maybe for Tim Balls. Maybe. He's placing a home like, screw you. I don't know, you probably don't like me. Is it a Joe Balcer thing? No, no. I'm not like this giant Balser fan. No, I just... Hello. I think it's colorful. And I think that it's just shoot fun. There's a lot more going on. There's more toys than the night. We kind of discussed that in our last video. Now, you've said publicly that Oktoberfest needs a little bit more cleaning up to do. Polish, yeah. A little polish. Yeah. Black night beats it. And polish. In its LCD animations. I'll give it that. I will too. It does. Beats it in its call outs in a sense. Yeah. That one. That one. You got to think about that one. That one is tricky. You do have to think about that one. No. So I won't give it that. Let's take that back a little bit. Because we won't. You said layout. It gets a layout. But yeah. Features. I mean Richie's layout is good with it. But it's brutal. It's fast. I just. I don't know. Like, Oktoberfest is just more fun to me. It can still be tough, but it's fun. This one's really especially difficult for me because I can see myself preferring one over the other depending on the day. The mood. Yeah, I really can. You know what? I can see that, too. I really can. Because at the Atlanta show, I fell back in love with Oktoberfest again. And I've been telling some people, I told you, I was like, that's a damn good game. Yeah. This is a really good game. It is. And it just keeps getting better. It is. With the code and the polish, if you will. but I'm going to go Black Knight Premium here I think Stern knows what they're doing they're bringing back one of the favorite characters in the Bally Williams era the music and sound is second to none it rocks the call outs by the Black Knight saying give me your money and calling you asshat or whatever he calls you the upper play field the code I just that's my jam that type of code set where I'm getting through characters to try to defeat the Black Knight. That's kind of where it's at for me. I love the toy. The Black Knight toy is, I think, more impressive than any single toy on Oktoberfest. I'll give you the Oktoberfest holistically has more toys and more going on, but that Black Knight toy mech is something that was welcomed by me, by Sean Pinball. It's super cool. I'm glad that they're getting back to that really cool interactive toy. It is super cool. It's a super cool toy. And the flames in the back. And it beats any single toy again in Oktoberfest. Oktoberfest, but Oktoberfest as a complete unit. And Black Knight brings back the Black Knight 2000 mini wizard mode. Yeah. The ransom. I can kind of agree with you in the sense that it just depends on the day, the time. They're both good. Like what you're playing. That was a tricky one. That was a good one there, Bone. That was good. Good submission there. That was good. We're going to move on to, this is my submission. Uh-oh. Oh Oh I just thought I got a dinosaur for you Who has a dinosaur for you Audrey oh they on vacation right now aren they yeah bachelor right now oh it just a picture oh it's a stegosaurus that was that right no damn it what was it show the people at least I'm saying that's like a definitely Dimitrodon. Dimitrodon. Dimitrodon. Okay, show the people. Dimitrodon. I got that thing off, so they won't be able to see it. It'll be fuzzy. I don't know. All right, this was submitted by myself, and I think this is going to be a tough one. Stern. Deadpool. Ooh, okay. Or Stern. Iron Maiden. Now, this was one we've probably answered before, Greg, but I think we need to go back. now that the code is really great on Deadpool. Have we done this one? Are you sure? I'm pretty sure we probably have done this one. Like maybe early on. A revisit. A revisit is needed because these two are selling like crazy for Stern Pinball right now. I hate to say this though. Deadpool or Iron Maiden? Do you want to hear mine first? Yeah, go ahead. I'm still, like I really do not want to say this. Like I'm still. I think I know what you're about to do. It's surprising. No, you actually don't. No. You're far off. I just felt the ambiance. I felt what I just projected on you, but then you're wrong. Oh, my aura? Yeah. What color is my aura right now? Yellow. Piss color? Yeah. I don't know why. I just went with the first color popped in my head. I'm going with Iron Maiden. That is surprising. No, you were wrong because I said I think I know what you're about to do, which surprises me, and it's exactly what you did. Oh, really? I thought you thought that I was going to go with that. So I love to play that game. That game is a blast to fucking play. Wow, Greg Bone. That game's got fun toys. I'm telling you. These people are gasping right now knowing you. If your Katana is dialed in, that game is amazing. Is your Katana dialed in? It's fun. It's Deadpool. But there is something that is still oddly special. The one game of the year last year for a reason. About the modes. It's the modes. This year, the modes are not particularly great. Really? It's fun. It's a blast of a game. but I love the uniqueness and again because this is just shoot the list come on Greg Deadpool's the better team Iron Maiden has grown on me so much even Keith Elwin would tell you Deadpool's the better team I'll go with Deadpool and Deadpool feels more loaded with shots it's more unique can you say it's more unique there's something about which one shoots better when I had Hoagie's honestly, you're going to ream me on this. I honestly think Maiden shoots better. But it's not by a lot. Both of them have a little clump to them. What about the Code? They're both good. They're both good because there's more to it. Shout out to Stern Pinball. They're so far apart. They're so far apart. The way that they, like, in opposite ends of the spectrum for the Code. But I love the way that Maiden differentiates between the modes. Like, it feels good. This again, like even though you got like Juggernaut. I know what you're saying. Juggernaut's different, but it's not that. You're still shooting shots. You still got the same layout. He's fighting somebody. Yeah, whereas with Maiden. But then you get Katana Rama. And then you get. No, that's what I'm saying. Zazzler multiball. Yeah, that's what's weird. Then you get the Wolverine mode. Yes, there's so much more in this pin. There's so much going on. Oh, it's a Mech Suit multiball. Yeah, Mech Suit multiball. Like when you blow it up, you're going through so much that it's almost like sensory overload. It's like the perfect pin for ADHD people. It's like, ah! But something is just so raw about Maiden. When you're focusing, you're just jamming on that damn thing. Kinetic satisfaction is what Keith Elwin calls that. It just feels good. Yeah. But this game is a blast. This game is more fun, as in a lighthearted. But I love to play Maiden. That's surprising, my friend. I love to play Maiden. When I had hoagies, it sold me on it. Wow. Yeah. I think I know what you're talking about. Because I'm going to go Maiden here as well. But I will say this. I will say that I was completely dead wrong about Deadpool. Especially once code has developed. I would even say that I kind of like the code in Deadpool just as well, if not more, than I do Maiden. I just like that there's so much different things to do now in Deadpool. It is so different. Skill shots better in Deadpool. I literally had a guy write me as soon as I listed my Guardians. He was like, dude, let me know how sales goes. He said, I'm going to list my Guardians. And I was like, I will. And we were just chatting a little bit. And he goes, you know what it is? Staying, though? He was like, this damn Deadpool. He's like, I'm still rocking out and having a blast on it. I'm like, me too. Like, jeez, man. This trio here is not leaving for a while. I knew that was going to be a hard one. Now that we revisit that. Yeah. I'm going to go Maiden. But when you were talking, I thought, no, I'm going Deadpool. Yeah. But, ew. I would buy Maiden. maybe one of the best one-two punches that Stern's had lately. If you bought both of these pros, an Iron Maiden and a Deadpool pro, you're going to be happy for years. Yeah. You can be. So I thought this. Okay. Let's keep both of those. Both those pros. Deadpool pro and Iron Maiden pro. That's a powerhouse. Powerhouse. Powerhouse. Or, no money here. or if they do a Jurassic Park LE. You have to pick. Jurassic Park LE, Sight Unseen, or Deadpool Pro and Iron Maiden Pro. I'm going to show you guys how important Jurassic Park theme is to this man right here. So, which one? Sight Unseen, LE. You're going to eat your words here. We get a plea first. Everybody's got a plea. No, theme matters. What say you, Greg? I'd take those two pins over Jurassic LE. No, you would not. You're so full of shit. No, you would not. If you would have said a premium, maybe. I don't find the value in an LE. I'd say no money. You get to pick either these two pros or this sight unseen. Which one do you go for? Bullshit. Those two pins are fun. It's two pins to one. You know I'm a quantity. Like, those two pins are fun. If I could never own the Jurassic Park pin, 100%. That's what I'm saying. If I could literally never ever... That's what I'm saying. You get to pick. Own it. Which ones? This or that? I'm just saying, if ever owned the Ellie, I would definitely have to get that because it's Jurassic Park. But if I had the opportunity that somewhere down the road I could eventually get that, I would go with those two pins. But if literally it was like a stranded on a deserted island scenario, I'd go with easily Jurassic Park. What if it's a dud? I'm just going to smile at it. The whole time? You know what? I'm going to hedge my bet. Those two are some of the greatest sterns that we've seen in a long, long time. Oh, 100% agreed. I'm going to roll the dice. I'm going to roll the dice and go Jurassic Park LA. Whoop, whoop! I am. Because if the rumors are true about this pin, and hell, who knows? By the time this is airing, maybe it's released. Yeah. I don't know. What about this? Some similarities between these two pins. Remember Mafia by Team Pinball? Yes. Right? Yes. And then Cosmic Carnival. Cosmic Carnival by Suncoast Cosmic Carnival for sure I think so too Artwork is better I think the shots are better Coding I don't know I can't go with code I can because Mafia is just a bunch of hurry ups Cool toys Mafia as a theme in general Is cool Yeah but Cosmic Carnival is really cool Cosmic Carnival It's way better than the art style The hand sculpt by Dirty Donut He hand sculpted all of those and painted them. The clown and everything? Yes. The clown and the mech guy. That's awesome. And then there's UV lights that accentuate the neon. Yep. That's a, who did that one? Cosmic Carnival. Who told us that? Was that you? That was me. That was so terrible. Thank you. No, you were going to say it was good. No, I didn't want to razz on somebody too bad if they were a fan. Well, let's go to Jeff A. Jeff A. said this. Doctor Who plus Tron. Weird combo. Or JJP's Pirates of the Caribbean. Pirates. well i wouldn't even okay so pirates of the caribbean right now we're going to call that a ten thousand dollar pin that's what we're going to call it uh tron and doctor who yeah we're close yeah price-wise it's not far off pirates tron's a blast pirates looks a lot better pirates is still a blast doctor who's okay doctor who's fine but pirates is pirates i want to get more time on doctor who yeah i haven't had a lot either i can agree with that that'd be a neat one to review just because you don't hear a lot of people talk about it i'm gonna go pirates i gotta go down the I need to go play it. Really? Yeah. You're going to go in some stranger's house and play as Dr. Who? He got my demo man. That's who I got Frankenstein from that you refused to review. We're reviewing that this October, by the way. I got all the photos, videos, everything ready. I guarantee that gets worse views than any other machine. Yeah. Let's go to Geronik. Geronik smoking chronic. Do you think Geronik smokes the chronic? I think so. I think he's smoking chronic in the garage. So he's like, I'm the Geronik. Oh, it's garage and crying. Grinding. I think I'm pin-side grinding. I got to tell you a story about me. Okay, about grinding or about garages? About garages. Okay. Clearly. Okay, he said... He said, Lord of the Rings and Medieval Madness and Iron Maiden. Okay, got it. These always confuse you. so Lord of the Rings, Medieval Madness, and Iron Maiden or Wizard of Oz, The Hobbit, and J.J.P.'s Pirates of the Caribbean so you got a three pack J.J.P. Woz, Hobbit, Pirates versus Lord of the Rings Medieval Madness, Maiden those six pins are awesome I'm not even going to look at the cost of them this is what's bad this is what's bad we got Wizard of Oz that's a pretty cool pin yeah but it's just a little funny the southern gentleman then we go into that uh lord which is a little long ball playing time it's a rough beautiful game beautiful and we've got pirates is outstanding but you got lord of the rings lord lord lord lord of the rings lord lord of the rings is where it's at there's a long ball time again yeah but that game is just special. And then I want you to keep going in this accent and trying to find your place. Multitasking 101 with Greg Bone. Line. Line. Mixed pin please. You know what? This is going to surprise people. Oh. Medieval Madness. That's classic. With the castle. That's classic. Castle, bridges, thorming things, trolls. You sound like one of those trolls right now. Trolls. What are you going for? Then I lost my last one. It was something. Oh! Iron Maiden. Iron Maiden. Oh. Bring the house down with that rock show. I'm going with that trio. Are you? Yeah. Trifecta of Awesomeness. Trifecta of Awesomeness. Whatever happened to your boner game? That's a boner game right there. Boner game. Certified boner game. I forgot about that. I haven't had one pop up lately. That is so good. nobody can handle that nobody can compete with this come on maybe that that accent but dick punching games and stuff that don't compare lord of the rings plus medieval madness plus iron iron maiden uh or was hobbit pirates was doesn't see pirates is my favorite pin out of all those definitely well no lord of the rings is my favorite pin yeah but out of the three my thing is Lord of the Rings or Pirates. I'll give it the hedge to Lord of the Rings. Medieval Madness or Woz. Oh, that's rough too. That's tough for me. I'm going to go I don't want neither. I'm going to go on that one. It's tough. It's so tough. I'll go Wizard of Oz on that one just because I can melt the witch. Iron Maiden or The Hobbit? I'll go The Hobbit. So it all comes down for me to, do you like Medieval Madness or do you like Woz? And I'm not a strong fan of either. They're both great, but not a huge fan of either. Look. I mean, one trio is... God, Geronic. and beautiful in every single aspect. My mind is blown. The other one, Lord of the Rings, may be the best game, but it's so ugly as shit. I've played so much of it, I'll play Pirates more right now. Yep. But, this... I'm stuck. I picked that first trifecta. What would you say? The one thing that I can think about is like, how beautiful would it be if I walked down here and all three of those JGPs were sitting here? It would blow me away in a tingling kind of way. What about They're all wide bodies though Yeah So that's what I'm saying Moon variety might be nice Well yes Am I going to get tired of Lord of the Rings and Medieval Madness together Yeah but you going to get tired of The Hobbit and Woz Give me the JJP3 pack. That's tough. That is a very tough one. That is very good. That's a good one, Groning. That is very good. Let's move on to... Because that's thought out. That really was. This one comes from Barks with a Z. Barks. With a Z. bark said indiana jones he did this three verse three again i love this for editing indiana jones whirlwind two of my favorites and monster bash remake or the shadow whitewater and attack from mars remake jeez yeah indiana jones whirlwind monster bash remake versus the shadow attack from mars whitewater chrome it brass it black nickel it candy chrome it powder coat it the possibilities are endless at pinballplating.com your pinball machine deserves the best at comet pinball you'll find the best variety of led products with the best quality leds and most importantly at the best price your collection is begging for an upgrade order yours now at cometpinball.com check out Pin Graphics for the latest and greatest in pinball enhancements, power blades, blade skins, pin blades, and even more. Visit Pingraphics.com now to see what's available for your pinball machine. So if we're matching them up, Greg, I'm going to go Attack from Mars over Monster Bash. Let's pair up the Shadow and Whirlwind. It's like two children. I can't pick between those. and then Indiana Jones versus Whitewater. Indiana Jones. Careful. Easily, no. Indiana Jones. Whitewater's a blast though. It really is. But the theme of Indy pushes it. Damn it, Barks. Where are you guys coming from? I love Whirlwind. I really like Monster Bash but I freaking Indiana Jones. I just would love to own Indiana Jones so I gotta go with Indiana Jones. Ah, Jay! You know, I think I'm gonna go I think I'm going to go The Shadow, Attack, and Whitewater. And I'll tell you why. The Shadow. No, I think The Monster Bash kills me. Really? Yeah, I think that hurts me the most. I can deal with it, though. Just because it's a phenomenal game, it's just not a game for me. And all those other games are games for me. I can understand that. We'll stick with The Whitewater Train. Joel Mixdorf, our buddy Joel. I like Joel. He said Whitewater or X-Men Magneto. Very different pens here. What did it say? Whitewater? Whitewater or X-Men Magneto. Probably Whitewater. Price-wise, we're pretty similar. Whitewater might be a little more money. It's close. Close. About $5,000. I would say Whitewater. I'm going to say Whitewater as well. Yeah, it's just... Not to take anything away from Magneto. That's a beautiful thing. No, it's a great game. And it's beautiful. Yeah, it's... That's Whitewater. Whitewater's fun. Yeah, it's Whitewater. So fun. Nate Luke. Hey, Nate! Yeah. Who's your man? He said, this is up your wheelhouse. Guardians Pro or Spider-Man Vault? Oh, my God. Ooh. So would you say yes or no? So this is my guess. Yes. It's like, man. Like, Spider-Man Vault shoots. Guardians Pro. It's a better game. Yeah, I go Guardians Pro. Now, a lot of people are saying no. Spider-Man's definitely the better game. Not the Vault. I just cannot get over Guardians Outlands. that left out lane is just stupid tell Borg about it it's inadvertently stupid inadvertently stupid like it's like you know you basically like Metallica but covered up yeah okay so my lethal weapon 3 has like it's a wide open just shitty left out lane but that's where your ball save is and you can react yeah it's a karate kick and then you gotta reactivate and it's kinda hard to hit that because it's right off the tip of the flipper to reactivate it but you can do that because it's made to be brutal okay that game the ball save it's to the right the ball never goes to the right yeah and it bounces like ooh so are you gonna go Spider-Man no cause the fucking game sucks like I love Spider-Man but that vault you love the Spider-Man game but I just cannot do that vault is it the call outs I don't yeah I don't know something about it the call outs okay oh ooh getting hits see somebody's texting you Goronix is texting you right now so I'm still gonna go alright this or that from Brian Rieger. Brian. Hey, Brian Rieger. He sounds Canadian, eh? Yeah, definitely not Irish. He said this one's more Greg-focused. Ooh, thank you. Thank you, Brian. He said, your current five-game collection and with a rotation allowed, but no more alcohol ever. What? Or... Did he really put that in there? Yes. What? What? What? What? Or a two-game collection, no Data East, no Jurassic Park themes, No musician, no magic magician theme and alcohol still allowed. Or no pirates. Nothing for you. I really thought about this one, he said. What's left, Brian? Black Knight? Lethal Weapon 3. No, no Dead East. He said no Dead East? Yeah, he didn't say no SEGAs. What the hell is left? So you get SEGAs and alcohol. And only two games. Or five-pin collection. full holds bar. What is it? Full holds bar? Or all holds bar? No holds bar. So five pins. No holds bar. No liquor ever. Or two segas and all the alcohol you can drink. Essentially. Or just non-cool things. I can get two segas. You can get two segas and all the alcohol whenever. No alcohol ever. Come on. Sega's not that great. Love your beer. Oh, yeah. I'm going two pints of beer. Well, how about this? Alcohol or pinball? Oh, that's Elzac special there. Alcohol or pinball? No alcohol ever again. I'd pick pinball. Well, yeah. Would you really? Are you saying that just to hold face here for these people? No. Like, pinball has become my life. You don't see me on a beer podcast going, beer's great. Love this yingling lot. I'm on a pinball pocket. My entire life revolves around pinball. No alcohol ever again. Yeah. For pinball. Oh. I enjoy them in unison. Wow. But, no. Yeah, because I just don't want to just sit around and drink. That bit of a shocker. That is a big shocker. It speaks something about me. That's a big shocker. Yeah, it does speak a lot about you. You might drink five beers in one day. Yeah. Right? You don't maybe play five pinballs one day. I just want that option. Okay. I just want that option. Let's go to the fun ones. Here we go. This is fun. Now, Chris Menyer over at Kingpin Games, he reached out to me. He said, you know what? I really like this this or that. He loves it. Thank you, Chris. And he liked the talk about the chili noodles. He's liked the talk about the candy, the Starburst. Chili noodles sounds good. Oh, right. I might make some chili noodles tonight. Chili soup would be good right now. But he said, how about this? Let's kick it. We'll segue from pinball to film. He said, would you rather spend two hours with a Twister the pinball machine or Twister the film? See what he did there? That was very cool. Two hours with Twister the film or two hours with Twister the pinball machine? I'm going film. I think I would, too. Yeah, I like that. I would, too. I can't play Twister for two hours straight. Aww. Poor Twister. I do want one though. Because it's a Sega. I want a Twister. Apollo 13? No. I do like Apollo 13. It's fun. You don't want Apollo 13? It's a one trick. It's that gimmick. Starship Troopers. Starship Troopers. I want Starship Troopers. I want Starship Troopers. Everybody makes fun of my Starship Troopers. And I'd take me a Twister right now. Really? Yeah. A Tootie Twister? Maybe not a Tootie Twister. Yes. So, depending on what happens with the Jurassic pin, I'm thinking about getting rid of Star Wars 2 and going into 2 Segas again. Godzilla? I'm getting rid of most of my Sterns and going back to 2. No, it's too pricey. I want to go for a 2 for 1 almost. A 2 for? Close. Let's do this. I love that Kingpin's thinking about this. He said, what about, if we're talking film, what about your 90s coming of age film? would you go Clueless or Varsity Blues? They're both really good films. You know, okay. Paul Rudd made his debut there in Clueless. And he hasn't aged since or Varsity Blues. I love Varsity Blues. That's great. Yeah. But I love Clueless. But this is what pushes me. Uh-oh. Alicia Silverstone. Alicia Silverstone. Really? She's probably 55 now. Stacey Dash or whatever. Yeah. I'm going clueless. Really? I'm going clueless. As if. I went to a small country school that was all about football. Yeah. Foursick Blues rules. Brings back bad memories. Yes. It was just like that. That was like the anthem for like two years. It was like Foursick Blues. Okay. So it was just kind of one of those things. I was just like, son of a bitch. Shut up about this movie. So Orange County, West Coast versus Texas. A 10. A 10. A fucking 10. A fucking 10. I gave it a tan. A tan. A fucking tan. Calling dinosaurs. Yeah. All right. Bikini. The whipped cream bikini. Oh, yes. It's a great man. In that situation, would you have turned down the girl in the whipped cream bikini? No, I'm not turning down anything in whipped cream. Over your sweetheart? Including your Sunday. Your high school sweetheart? I didn't have a high school sweetheart. I was a loser. I'm a loser. I play pinball now, and I'm on a pinball podcast. You think I had a high school sweetheart? I did. Yeah, but you married her, so you're a bigger loser than me. Yeah. Oh. it's not very nice best decision of my life love you Nicole my favorite part in Varsity Blues when the dad they're competing out in the backyard barbeque and they got the thing on the head and he said you can do this sir show them what you're made of and he throws it and bam pops him right in the nose see I just hate it because that was like my high school life that's like what I went to high school with so like I could show them what you're made of my coffee's in your can show them what you're made of the fat kid passes out because he got overheated and concussions. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going Varsity Blues. Give me Varsity Blues. Calling dinosaurs. You know people thought it was going to be vice versa on that one. That's definitely going clueless. He's a clueless kind of guy. I'm on backboard, Greg. What about this? 90s comedy. Oh, some of my favorite genre, 90s comedy. Kingpin or Tommy Boy? That's just not fair. It's just not fair. I'd go Kingpin. Kingpin and Tommy Boy are two of the greatest comedy films of all time. But they're two different. I'd have both tattooed on my ass. I love Woody Harrelson. I'd go Kingpin. Definitely Kingpin. And do one Dennis Quaid? Yes. This shit's hilarious. We don't have a bull. Munson. We don't have a bull. He meant the bull. We know the cow. It's so great. We don't have a bull. We got a bull. We got a bull. And he's got a dog. That was one of those first films, too. Was that Farley Brothers? Yes, it was. Because they were the first people to really push it. From Muncie, Indiana. Wow, Munson. You really jarred something loose there, Tiger. I love you. What is it about good sex that makes me want to crap? What is it about good sex that makes me have to crap? I guess it's all that pumping. Pump and dump. You really jarred something loose, Tiger. Oh my god That's the greatest scene So if I were you I would start doing some tongue exercises Before Friday We forgot Bill Murray in that Big Ernie McCracken was there In the Rose Jonathan We're going to fly pattern all the way to the goal line Tennessee Kentucky Deeper, Jonathan I love Chris Farley Davis It's great, but it doesn't hold a candle I think Tommy Boy is objectively One of the greatest comedy films of all time Chris Farley I'm going Tommy Boy I want both as a pinball team As you can tell by my personality Kingpin is just a little more up my You look like a Helen Helen, we're both in sales Let me tell you why I suck as a salesman. Let's say I go into some guy's office. Let's say he's even remotely interested in buying something. Well, then I get all excited. I'm like Jojo, the idiot circus boy with a pretty new pet. The pet is my possible sale. Oh, my pretty little pet. I love you. So I stroke it, and I pet it, and I massage it. Yeah, I love it. I love my little naughty pet. you naughty and then I take my naughty pet and I don Oh I killed it I killed my sale That's when I blow it. That's when people like us have got to forge ahead, Helen. Am I right? God, you're sick. I used to be a bowler. Legit. Did you know that? I knew that. You tell me it all the time. I grew up in a bowler. I was in a pinball machine. Guess what my average was at my peak. 30. 6. 240. Do you know what bowling is? 240. I do. 240? Good Lord, am I bowling a 300 every game? No. It was about a 198. Well, it wasn't bad. I went too far. It wasn't bad. What's your best bowled game? I don't bowl. Have you ever... So you've never had a good game of bowling? Yeah, but I mean, I don't go home and remember like, hey, I was at that birthday party and bowled and I had this score. You're just not very athletic, are you? Yeah, I'm super athletic. Just not bowling. You're not athletic. You're not athletic, are you? I've never seen somebody say, I don't bowl. You're not athletic. I'm just thinking about you. Who the hell says that? Do you bowl? No. That's an athlete. So you're not athletic. Best sport. What other sport can you smoke and drink? Pornhole. Pinball. Pinball, yes. You're not very athletic. I said I don't bowl. That's a good point. Greg gets a point on that one I'll give Greg a point on that one that is the greatest thing I've heard rugby no baseball no soccer nah bowling I'm sorry you're my friend 90's Jim Carrey dumb and dumber or Ace Ventura pet detective that's rough again my avatar on pin side is Ace Ventura I go I go Dumb and Dumber because I love Jeff Daniels. Lloyd Christmas. I love that. Yeah. Sam, Sam, Swat, Samson Knight. Swimmy, Swimmy, Swummy. Samson Knight. That was way off. Swanson. Alright. I gotta pee, man. Just let it go. Just let it go, man. Harry. I took care of it. Yeah. Pretty bird. Pretty bird. Hi. Hey, where'd you get those? I bought them when we filled up. We're supposed to talk about all expenditures, Lloyd. We are on a very tight budget. This doesn't come out of our travel fund. I was able to raise 25 extra bucks before we left. Where did you get 25 extra bucks? I sold some stuff to Billy and Forcy. The blind kid? Yeah. What did you sell him, Lloyd? What kind of stuff? I don't know. A few baseball cards, a sack of marbles. Petey? Petey? You sold my dead bird to a blind kid? Lloyd! What are you... Petey didn't even have a head! Harry, I took care of it. Pretty bird Yeah can you say pretty bird Pretty bird Yes pretty bird Pretty bird Polly want a cracker I love it that's a great movie But it's Ace Ventura Yeah Ace Ventura is great Oh saddle bags Man, that was a good film. Great film. Great film. But dumb and dumber. When he does the dolphin thing. Heinz gets velvet. Heinz gets velvet. I am trainer of dolphins. You want to talk to the dolphin, you talk to me. What happened to the regular trainer? What happened to him? What happened to me? Seven years I am with Siegfried. We are making the dolphins disappear. and then Roy is coming with the white tiger and the stuffing in the pants, and I'm gone. Where is Snowflake? Why do you care about the dolphin? Do you know him? Does he call you at home? Do you have a daughter, Finn? To train the dolphin, you must think like the dolphin. You must be getting inside the dolphin's head and communicating. I'm saying to Snowflake, and he is saying, and he is up on the daily. And you can quote him. What was the chick's name? Finkel. Finkel. Finkel and Einhorn. Finkel and Einhorn. Einhorn's a man. Yeah. Mmm. Well, I half kissed a man. Dude, Ace Ventura. Absolutely. Ace Ventura's my jam. I'm going dumber and dumber. We are split on these. Yep. Ace Ventura. Remember, comment section. You're not coming over to my house. We're moving on. Comment section. They're all good, though. It's just... Yeah, they are. They're the best of the best. Oh my God. Oh, stop looking. Stop looking. Okay. The next one. 90s Wesley Snipes. I love Wesley Snipes. Yeah. I love Wesley Snipes. Are you going to go Demolition Man? Or are you going to go White Man Can't Jump? White Man Can't Jump. Absolutely. Easy. That one's not hard. It's not. No, it's not. It's not easy. It's not easy. Dude. I think this was easy too. Sylvester Stallone in one of them. Yeah, but still. I love Wesley Snipes, dude. There's a movie, Drop Zone. Have you ever heard of that? I know Drop Zone. I love Drop Zone. I love Wesley Snipes. Before or after the financial problems. I like him afterwards. I don't give a shit he didn't pay his taxes. Does he do anything? No, I don't think so. You didn't care he didn't pay his taxes? I pay my taxes. Oh, so? I still like his talent. I like his talent. I ain't worried about his taxes. You're going to Kickstarter or Groove. Get Wesley Snipes back. Fucking Dave Schell with Wesley Snipes. Yeah, that's good. God damn it. I love Wesley Snipes. Blade. I love all the Blades. I didn't like Blade. I love Blade I like Wesley Snipes witty and funny I don't like him serious White Man Can't Jump was great with Woody Harrelson I love Woody Harrelson Was it Rosita Parks or what was her name I know who you're talking about She was like literally One of the only Latino actresses in the 90's She was huge Because she was super witty and like Snappy That's fucking awesome We are snappy I miss the 90's I do too. It's my favorite era. This came up. Menyer said, well, you were doing this 80s versus 90s music, so I was interested to see what you guys would say. All these are from Chris? And the last one. Yeah, all these are from Chris. Nice. And the last one. 90s Tom Hanks. Toy Story or Forrest Gump? I don't know if I could pick. Toy Story or Forrest Gump? Now that is truly, truly, truly. We may get a Toy Story pinball machine. I won't. You think we'll ever get a Forrest Gump pinball machine? Should we? Yeah, your mama sure does love you. She sure does care about your education, boy. He's on vacation. It is really good. I would like a Forrest Gump pinball machine. It'd be kind of funny. I think it'd be absolutely fantastic. Think about the modes. I think it'd be funny. Each era, he could have a different mode, a ping pong mode, a Vietnam mode. He could have a Bubba Gump Shrimp Company mode. He could have me crying at the end every time. freaking Forrest Gump asks if his son is mentally disabled. Yeah. To Jenny, and he says, is he, you know. But it all ends so sad. Look at that. But it ends so sad. Stills. Who the hell wants a depressing ass in? This is my old friend from Alabama. How'd you do? Listen, next week my schedule changes, so I'll be able to. But thanks. No problem. Gotta go, Jen. I'm double packed. Okay. Bye. Thanks. This is my very good friend, Mr. Gump. Can you say hi to him? Hello, Mr. Gump. Hello? Can I go watch TV now? Yes, you can. Just keep it low. You're a mama, Jenny. I'm a mama. His name's Forrest. Like me. I named him after his daddy. He got a daddy named Forrest, too? You're his daddy, Forrest. Hey. Forrest, look at me. Look at me, Forrest. There's nothing you need to do, okay? You didn't do anything wrong. Okay? Okay? Isn't he beautiful? It's the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. But... Is he smart? He's very smart. He's one of the smartest in his class. Yeah, it's okay. Go talk to him. What are you watching? Fortnite. Dude, look. Jenny was a wildcat she was a wildcat she was a whore Zach she was a whore a whore no she was a free spirit a whore it was the 70s yeah she was a free spirit right force was more the conservative follow the rules it's a beautiful movie it's a beautiful love story it's all around gorgeous but not pinball it was filmed in Savannah Georgia Toy Story would be way better but movie wise I'm not actually picking that's tough you're not gonna pick that's hard that's two great movies you're gonna do wrong to Kingpin? That's two great movies. You can't go. I think you can pick and I want to pick Forrest Gump. I think Forrest Gump would overall be like if you had a Lieutenant Dan ice cream. But you got to think that fucking Toy Story is like Pixar. Like that was the first like really big awakening of Pixar. So that started a movement of I'd go Forrest Gump. I think Forrest Gump is the best better film. I really do. I want to cut your hair can I cut your hair with those please Chelsea mixed the big place in the back can I cut your hair you can cut that big place out of the back alright I want to clone you I'm going to I'm going to do that and I'm going to clone your ass the world can't handle two Greg Burns then we wouldn't have you on the show no anyway you I'd bring you back like the Captain America when he was with Scrawny the non-bowling type you need to bring back the big Greg I'm already the Scrawny one 90s Tom Hanks oh wow so submit your this or that we want to hear some fun stuff too so not only pinball machines but I like to talk about 90s film and music I love 90s I do too why can't we go back to the 90s that was our heyday that was our heyday our teenage years in the 90s what do they need to do until next time Greg's out on Facebook check out Chuck Wirt on Twitch love me some Chuck Wirt stream on Twitch hopefully Chuck Wirt will do a deep dive ACDC he will what's he going to do with now the announcement that Game of Thrones Code Cut updated his big tutorial. You know it's blowing his mind. You know he's just sitting there like. Maybe he'll do a revisit. He will. That'd be cool. We'll tell him. That'd be cool. Hopefully he will. Check out. Carrie Hardy. Subscribe down there. Carrie Hardy too. Love it. His videos are a lot of fun. Always great. Straight down the middle. What else? Donations. Tell them how they can donate. T-shirts. We've come to consensus on T-shirts. Nothing special, but we will have T-shirts. Absolutely. And if they just want to straight up donate the best way to do so is to do a review um yeah contributor review where you get to pick the game you get to submit the grades and the comments and we review it with you again it's a hundred dollar donation it goes towards um travel or to different equipment for the promos right yeah they like those jjp promos didn't they that willy wonka man it would have been black screen if it wasn't for all straight down the middle yeah we like to give you something for your money Yeah, so help us out. Which we know they weren't. No, I'm joking. So true. I'm Avala. Check us out next week. See you guys later. Billy! That was great. Billy! You hit it off with a bumper, now you're straightened down the metal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You had a fling with a fling shot, you're rolling out the island again. I tried to cradle you with my... Welcome to another episode of Straight Down the Middle of Pinball Show. This is my buddy Greg Bone. I am Zach Minney. We are your hosts. Hosts. Hosts. Hosts. Hosts. No, no. Yeah. You do the colonics. Oh, that was on our fucking movie. Billy! You do the colonics. You got to have the guns.

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