# Episode 82: Loaded Show! Podcasts of Genius, Pinball, and History Lesson!

**Source:** Poor Man's Pinball Podcast  
**Type:** podcast_episode  
**Published:** 2020-12-06  
**Beat:** Pinball

**URL:** https://poormanspinballpodcast.libsyn.com/episode-82-loaded-show-podcasts-of-genius-pinball-and-history-lesson

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## Analysis

Episode 82 of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast features extensive sponsor reads, personal pinball updates (Meteor restoration, Spider-Man progress), discussion of Billy Constantino Mitchell's Pac-Man record attempt at Galloping Ghost, coverage of Raza's recent stream and aesthetic features, unsubstantiated pricing leaks ($4,999 base model), and news of ReplayFX/Pinburgh's liquidation of physical assets due to COVID-era financial strain.

### Key Claims

- [LOW] Raza base model reportedly priced at $4,999 according to alleged website hack posted on Pinside — _Drew Sloat mentions unsubstantiated server hack with screenshot evidence on Pinside forums; explicitly notes this is unverified_
- [LOW] Raza premium version with light-up sides priced between $6,500-$6,900 — _Same unsubstantiated source; Drew notes uncertainty on exact figure_
- [MEDIUM] Raza features animated pin bar with MagnaSave touch control and rule guidance — _Drew Sloat describes features observed in Fliptronic's stream of production version_
- [HIGH] Fliptronic had technical difficulties streaming Raza due to missing equipment/cables — _Jon and Drew discuss stream logistics; attributed to on-location streaming constraints at bar venue_
- [HIGH] ReplayFX is liquidating ~$1 million worth of physical pinball assets — _Jon references official letter available on This Week in Pinball; cites COVID impact on business_
- [HIGH] Billy Constantino Mitchell played Pac-Man for 9+ hours attempting perfect game/kill screen run — _Drew Sloat watched Galloping Ghost Twitch stream; provides detailed timeline (tuned in at 10pm after 8 hours already played)_
- [HIGH] Raza has been in development for five years with no shipping inventory — _Jon criticizes lack of tangible production timeline; notes recent stream showing production version is significant milestone_
- [HIGH] Pinburgh as known is being discontinued; ReplayFX transitioning to online-only presence — _Jon cites official ReplayFX announcement via This Week in Pinball_

### Notable Quotes

> "I'm getting good at that game... I've gotten to Battle Royale, which is like the mini wizard mode, like three or four times already."
> — **Drew Sloat**, early show segment
> _Personal pinball progress update on Spider-Man, shows engagement with modern Stern titles_

> "If I would have known about baby powder in the 80s, like you don't know how many hours I've played this fucking game."
> — **Billy Constantino Mitchell (quoted by Drew Sloat)**, mid-show
> _Humorous aside during Pac-Man attempt; reflects on hand moisture management technique_

> "There's nothing on the line. And we said we weren't going to talk about them until something was on the line, but this is something tangible that we can actually look at."
> — **Jon**, Raza discussion
> _Establishes hosts' stance on Deep Root criticism; clarifies production version demonstration justifies coverage_

> "My criticism 100% lies in the fact that it's been five years and we don't have anything on the line."
> — **Jon**, Raza discussion
> _Core complaint about Deep Root Pinball's development timeline and lack of shipping units_

> "It took a while to get to that level, right? You know, all these shows that are all over the country. It doesn't happen overnight. It takes years and years and years of growth to get to that level. And to have it all just batted away within a year is devastating."
> — **Jon**, Pinburgh discussion
> _Reflects on ReplayFX/Pinburgh's collapse and industry impact of major event closures_

> "The hate on their stream was unwarranted."
> — **Jesse J (chat participant)**, Raza stream discussion
> _Community pushback against criticism of Fliptronic's streaming effort under difficult conditions_

> "Fliptronic did a phenomenal job. For a short notice, it was very good."
> — **Mike Harry Williams (chat participant)**, Raza stream discussion
> _Positive community sentiment about stream quality despite technical constraints_

> "I think it's a cool idea. I don't think it's the end-all, be-all."
> — **Drew Sloat**, Raza discussion
> _Clarifies position on glass pivoting feature; pushes back against community attribution of stronger stance_

### Entities

| Name | Type | Context |
|------|------|---------|
| Poor Man's Pinball Podcast | organization | Long-form pinball podcast featuring hosts Jon and Drew Sloat; episode 82 analyzed here |
| Deep Root Pinball | company | Boutique pinball manufacturer; Raza game discussed extensively; criticized for five-year development timeline with no shipping inventory |
| Raza | game | Deep Root Pinball title; recently streamed by Fliptronic; features animated pin bar with MagnaSave; alleged pricing $4,999 base/$6,500-6,900 premium |
| Fliptronic | organization | Streaming service that covered Raza production game; faced technical difficulties but received praise for stream quality under short notice |
| Drew Sloat | person | Co-host of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast; provides personal pinball updates, discusses Raza stream and pricing, praises Fliptronic's effort |
| Jon | person | Primary host of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast; leads news segments, discusses ReplayFX/Pinburgh liquidation, critiques Deep Root's development timeline |
| Billy Constantino Mitchell | person | Legendary arcade player; featured in episode via Drew's account of Galloping Ghost Twitch stream where he attempted Pac-Man perfect game over 9+ hours |
| ReplayFX | company | Organizer of Pinburgh tournament; liquidating ~$1M in physical pinball assets; transitioning to online presence due to COVID impact |
| Pinburgh | event | Flagship pinball tournament organized by ReplayFX; being discontinued as physical event; major loss for pinball community |
| Galloping Ghost | venue | Chicago arcade venue; hosted Billy Constantino Mitchell's Pac-Man attempt; streamed on Twitch |
| This Week in Pinball | organization | Pinball news media source (sponsored by Poor Man's Pinball Podcast); hosted official ReplayFX liquidation letter |
| Pinside | organization | Pinball community forum where unsubstantiated Raza pricing screenshots allegedly posted |
| Zen Studios | company | Digital pinball platform developer; Pinball FX sponsor of episode |
| Kevin Curran | person | ReplayFX/Pinburgh organizer; thanked by hosts for years of work |
| Steven Martin | person | Listener/tribe member; contributor to Poor Man's Pinball Podcast behind-the-scenes work |
| Mark Steinman | person | ReplayFX/Pinburgh team member; thanked for contributions to Pinburgh event |
| Dave Brennan | person | Pinball technician/expert; referenced by Drew for sound board and GI troubleshooting on vintage Sterns |
| Kaneda's Pinball Podcast | organization | Competing podcast that criticized Fliptronic stream angles/technical setup |
| Ryan Kuyper | person | Community member mentioned as having attended Pinburgh; jokingly referenced |
| Zach Minney | person | Owner of Flippin' Out Pinball; sponsor of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast |
| Scott Ian | person | Referenced as providing history lesson content and top-five game discussion for upcoming episode |

### Topics

- **Primary:** Raza (Deep Root Pinball) - Stream, Aesthetics, Pricing, Timeline, ReplayFX/Pinburgh Liquidation and COVID Impact
- **Secondary:** Personal Pinball Restoration and Gameplay Updates, Billy Constantino Mitchell Pac-Man Attempt, Fliptronic Streaming Quality and Community Reception, Pinball Community Sentiment and Interpersonal Dynamics, Pinball Pricing and Market Strategy
- **Mentioned:** Digital Pinball (Zen Studios Pinball FX)

### Sentiment

**Mixed** (0.35) — Hosts praise Fliptronic's streaming effort and Raza's visual design but express frustration with Deep Root's five-year timeline and lack of shipping. Significant sadness about Pinburgh/ReplayFX liquidation tempered by humorous anecdotes about Billy Constantino Mitchell and personal gameplay wins. Overall tone balances entertainment with industry concern.

### Signals

- **[product_launch]** Raza demonstrated as production version (not prototype) via Fliptronic stream, representing significant milestone after five years in development (confidence: high) — Jon: 'It was a production game. It wasn't the prototype anymore. So they showed us their standard version, right'
- **[design_innovation]** Raza features animated pin bar with integrated MagnaSave touch control and dynamic rule guidance/shot recommendations (confidence: medium) — Drew: 'the pin bar, the way it's laid out... on the far right end of the touch screen on the pin bar, there is a little circle... it says MagnaSave... It's all animated. It's telling you where to shoot'
- **[market_signal]** Alleged server hack posting unsubstantiated Raza pricing: $4,999 base, $6,500-6,900 with light-up sides; Drew notes if accurate could shift market perception (confidence: low) — Drew: 'somebody hacked into their server or something, and they posted this thing... 4999 was the number... $6,500, $6,900, something like that... if they really come out with that, that might change some people's minds'
- **[business_signal]** ReplayFX liquidating approximately $1 million in physical pinball assets; Pinburgh tournament discontinued; company pivoting to online-only presence (confidence: high) — Jon: 'ReplayFX, who runs Pinburgh... they're liquidating all their like physical assets... they have them up for sale now, like a million dollars worth of machines'
- **[content_signal]** Fliptronic's Raza stream faced technical difficulties (missing cables/equipment) but received strong community praise for quality under pressure (confidence: high) — Multiple chat participants defend stream quality; Drew: 'Fliptronic did a good job, and they explained some of the stuff'
- **[sentiment_shift]** Hosts acknowledge willingness to cover Raza due to production version visibility, but core criticism remains five-year timeline with zero shipping inventory (confidence: high) — Jon: 'My criticism 100% lies in the fact that it's been five years and we don't have anything on the line'
- **[industry_signal]** Major pinball tournament infrastructure under strain; Pinburgh collapse seen as devastating loss reflecting broader COVID-era venue/event vulnerability (confidence: high) — Jon: 'It took a while to get to that level... It doesn't happen overnight... And to have it all just batted away within a year is devastating'
- **[competitive_signal]** Billy Constantino Mitchell attempted Pac-Man perfect game (collect all fruits/keys, reach kill screen) on single life at Galloping Ghost; played 9+ hours before dying in chaos pattern (confidence: high) — Drew witnessed Twitch stream, described 8-hour session already in progress at 10pm, player parked machine multiple times, used baby powder for hand moisture control
- **[personnel_signal]** Upcoming episode to feature history lesson and top-five dedicated to prolific designer with 50+ games from 1978 to present; hosts credit Scott Ian for research (confidence: medium) — Jon: 'he has seemingly been in the industry forever... He's done a lot of cool stuff... for whatever reason, I don't think he gets enough credit... from 1978 to current'
- **[product_concern]** Drew experienced early Stern sound board failure on Meteor restoration; bad sound board was causing MPU malfunction; resolved by sound board replacement (confidence: high) — Drew: 'some bad sound boards in these early Sterns, sometimes they do something weird with the MPU... the sound board's basically bad... I bought a new sound board'
- **[regulatory_signal]** Midwest Gaming Classic (MGC) planning November date for recovery event; deliberately delaying to monitor pandemic control measures (confidence: medium) — Jon: 'MGC, they want to do it next November because they're just really trying to make sure the pandemic's under control'
- **[content_signal]** Poor Man's Pinball Podcast securing multiple sponsors (Flippin' Out Pinball, Zen Studios, Pinshades, This Week in Pinball, pinballprices.com, PinStadium Lights); hosts embracing 'sellout' model (confidence: high) — Extensive sponsor reads at episode open; Jon: 'we're sellouts, and we love it'

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## Transcript

 This episode of the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast is brought to you by Flip N Out Pinball. Call Zach, call Nicole, get your new, brand new and shiny pinball machines. Flip N Out Pinball, they got all the new latest and greatest. Guns and Roses, Avengers, Turtles, you name it, they got it. Those are my guns. Cactus Canyon, ooh, boom, probably coming. We got Pinshades, I'm not reading that long thing from Jackson again, but he does have a code. but it's Poor Man's BF for the Black Friday special. Get $30 off your order for Pinshades. No. Free shipping, I thought. No, Poor Man's BF is $30 off the glasses. Normally, it's Poor Man's for free shipping. We've got to get this written down in a script somewhere, as I've said many times, and we just don't do. We're also brought to you by Zen Studios, one of our newest sponsors. They are awesome. Pinball FX3. Get it on all your favorite platforms, PC, PlayStation, PS5, PS4, not PS2 as we learned last week. Get it on your new Xbox. Zen Studios, Pinball FX3, they got all the great tables from Williams. They got their own fantasy tables, Star Wars, Marvels. You want it, you got it. We are also brought to you by Twip Pinball. This week in pinball, Twip. Go visit Jeff at Twip and tell him we sent you. You won't get anything, but just tell him that we sent you anyways. He's where we steal all of our news. We have our new news segment sponsored by TWIP every week. New news. New news. New news. We are also brought to you by pinballprices.com. Doc Finlay, who's almost always in chat. Actually, I take that back. He is always in chat. We love you, Doc. Doc Finlay, you do a great job. Thank you for showing up. Pinballprices.com. You're buying a game. You're selling a game. You want to do something with a game. Check them out. He will tell you what they sold for. And last but not least, PinStadium Lights. They have a special Black Friday special discount just for, not just for our listeners, just for everybody. What? Penn Stadium's $40 off. Penn Stadium Neos, sorry, Neopenn Stadium's $52 off. That's an odd number, but I love it. Neofusions, $75 off. So $40 off, $52 off, $75 off. Use the discount code BF20. Black Friday 20. BF20. Tell Scott we sent you. He won't give you anything else extra either, but just tell him we sent you because we like to tell people that you were brought to you by the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. You take one part gummies, one part Kessler's, and two parts Poor Man's. Sexy pajama party. Hotter than a bottle of Billy Mitchell's hot sauce, y'all. Yee-haw! Waka, waka, waka, waka, waka, waka. Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. I love that intro. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the Poor Man Spinball Podcast, episode number 82. What's up, guys? The only podcast that went live just now and had way too many sponsors, but we love them all. We want more. Bring them on, because as we've just been told, we're sellouts, and we love it. Ryan, see, we are cunts, and we are sellouts. Thank you, buddy. And if you want us to sell something of yours, Ryan, just let us know. We're pretty big in Australia. Thank you, Tim Lee. for those 100 bits to get us started. Family! Ooh, that feels more. Thank you, sirs. Thank you. Just so everyone knows, and I don't want this to be a thing, so I don't even know why I'm telling you this, but it is funny. I did learn how to turn off my profanity sensor today. He's very proud of himself. Now I will know what you guys are saying about me in chat. Last week, I just saw a bunch of stars. Drew, you're a star, star, star. I'm like, yeah, I was a star. And I'm like, what's going on here? I can't understand anything that anybody's saying, and it was just all profanities. That's why. You guys suck. You guys need to learn to use different words. Well, they love you, man. They love you. Yeah, they were probably saying, I'm fucking great. Yeah, you're fucking great. That's what they were saying. I'm sure it was. So we actually have a big show today. We have a pinball content-heavy show today, which almost doesn't ever happen anymore. Yeah, I saw Dave Jeff Brenner in the chat. He wanted to know what the topic was today. The topic is, we've got a lot of topics, right? We have some news. We're going to talk about... There's quite a bit of news. Pinball effects, or replay effects, sorry, and Pinberg, you know, just biting the bullet and dying. We also have some Deep Roots stuff. Obviously, you guys probably have already heard and seen the pictures. So we're going to share a little bit of what we think about that. And then from there, we're going to do a, oh, we got a history lesson today. And we also have something that stems off that history lesson, a top five. I think it'll be a very fun top five. I have a history lesson, a la Ian is teaching me about something. Yes, he has. I'm giving the fucking lesson. He's the teacher. I am the student. I am the master. But anyways, as we were doing this and I found out what the game was, it kind of tied into, yeah, cool top five and a guy who has seemingly been in the industry forever. Forever. He's done a lot of cool stuff, so we'll talk about that a little bit later. And for whatever reason, I don't think he gets enough credit. So I thought why not dedicate a little segment to this gentleman. Ian sent me the text message about this top five, and I said, yeah, that sounds cool. And then I looked at this guy's rap sheet, and it's like. You were like, did he do enough games? Yeah, like 50 great games. I was like that many. But it's quite a bit, dating all the way back to 1978 to current day, by the way, which is pretty impressive. Yeah. So. All right. So that's what we got going on. Oh, we have a new tribe member, too. Ooh. I didn't do anything with that. That's fine, because it's happening. Are you sure? Mm-hmm. Sorry. I didn't do my homework. We might have. You know me. I can talk for a while while you do shit, so we'll figure that out later. I don't have anything on. Okay. Sorry. Okay. This one might have to wait until next week. Next week. We got a big show. We got a big show. We do have a big show. There's a lot. I got all about the tribe members. Next week we'll have a new tribe member. According to Ian, tribe members aren't important. I love each and every one of you. And the prospective tribe members. Yeah, Ian just gives you a big thumbs down. You guys all, Ian, Ian, Ian. God, thanks for the bit. One bit. I deserve it. All right. Can you give him a negative bit? All right. Hey, let's open the bar. Bar is open. Come in. Grab a seat. The bar is open. We'll get that volume fixed one day. It was all right. One day. All right. So anyway. So the bar is open. Bar is open. What are you drinking there, Drew? I'm doing my usual. Poor man's pinball, whiskey, and Coke Zero. Zero sugar for that slimming effect. See how I did that? Great. Snuck in your cheeks. And on the way down, for all you people, I rubbed my nipples just because everyone wanted to see that. Okay. Go ahead. I really wish he was wearing pants. We're having that pajama party. I didn't give up on that. And matter of fact, today when I was leaving, I was like, if I wasn't so damn lazy, I would put on pajama pants. But I'm like, I already have these pants on, so they're staying. It makes you even lazier. I couldn't even put pajama pants on. I couldn't even do it. That's a whole other story. I know. You weren't doing it. It's fake. I just don't get myself sometimes. Kyle, three bits. I am warming up on you, bud. I am warming up. All right. So, anyway, buddy, I am drinking Dewars. One more big pass and I'll rub Ian's nipples. Okay. Don't. That's just a penny. Is that how much I'm worth to you? Mm-hmm. Anyway, going scotch today with a little bit of ice in there. What kind of scotch? Oh, it's right there. I think you got Dewars. Dewars. Dewars. Worth it. All right. That was the best penny anyone's ever spent ever for anything. Yes. Yes, absolutely. So, what do we want to do, dude? Well, Dr. John says pinball talk, time to tune out. We do really have two types of listeners. This is where we always kind of like struggle because we want to satisfy everybody. Yeah, it's true. And half the people just want to see stuff like that. And then there's not a huge outcry for it, but sometimes when we talked about the review last week, people are like, yeah, these guys are okay and they're sort of entertaining, but they don't talk about pinball enough. So we really are actively trying to craft our show in a way to kind of appease most people. We're not going to appease everyone. We don't want to appease everyone because some of you guys do suck. Not the people that listen, but just people in general. People suck. Yeah, people do suck. So that's my little spiel for the day. But with that in mind, I just wanted, Dr. Horobrew, more nipples. See, and it's hard to get serious on this show, too, because of that. And I always start it, which sucks. When we get into serious news like Denver, the replay effects. It'll bring everyone down. It'll bring everyone down. We're going to touch on it. Everyone's aware of what's going on, right? So we don't have to go into details. But with that, all that stuff I said a little while ago. Sorry, go for it. I just wanted to thank everyone who do help make this show what it is, and especially the people that help us out behind the scenes. So, once again, we don't give them enough credit. Real quick, Billy YJ, who does some of our social media stuff. Pete Quint, who gets drunk and does some of our social media stuff. Terribly, by the way. Martin, listener number 15, tribe member number two, I think, does a lot of our bump music. Glenn Glenn Waechter, who's been helping out with some more. Tribe member number seven. And if I'm forgetting some of you guys, I'm sorry, but thank you. Those are the main players. Those four guys, they help us almost every week with stuff. Absolutely. And Tim Lee, because he gives me fodder to make fun of him, and his wife loves it, apparently, when I make fun of him. Hi, Ann. Or is that the mistress? No, that's Ann. Ann loves it. Okay, Ann. Thank you, Ann. All right, Drew Sloat, should we get into some news, buddy? Let's do it. All right, what do we got? My news or news news? You want to do personal pinball news? Yeah, I got a couple things. All right. Personal pinball news, kids. So after all these months, all these months, I finally get Meteor back in the house, right? It's getting cold outside. I'm waiting on the powder coat. I get it back in. I put it together, almost all together. I think I missed the cable or two. Actually, I think it was the ground braid. Dave Jeff Brenner's just cringing right now. So I start up a game, and it started up. It started up. it you know shot a ball into the shooter lane and 95 of everything worked and then i was like oh the sound board so then i plug in the sound board and i get some static the sound board is the one board i didn't replace on there so i'm like okay whatever but then i turn it back on nothing just gi lights and i'm like fuck no game uh no it's just the gi lights it just lit up the displays didn't go on, the track mode didn't come on, and I'm like, what did I do? You know, so I checked the voltages on the rectifier board. Those are all fine. So I'm like, okay, you know, this thing has power in all the right places. That's what she said. And I just can't, all I have is GI lights, you know, and I looked at. Thank you, Dr. John. The coin door was hacked to shit when I got this thing, but it was working before, so that wasn't the issue because, you know, a lot of these coin doors are hacked to shit. But anyways, so I did a bunch of research, and before I called Dave, because Dave was going to be my next call, Dave, I want you to know that, I figured it out. There were some people online saying that, yeah, some bum sound boards in these early sterns, sometimes they do something weird with the MPU. Okay. So the sound board's basically bad. So I just, you know, so I bought a new sound board. Good for you. So I'm excited. Cool. Yeah. So anyways, when I unplugged the sound board, yeah, then it just fired up and everything was fine without sound, obviously. Nice. So, yeah. So I was excited about that. And then more exciting, more Spider-Man news. I'm getting good at that game. Fuck yeah, dude. Good job. I've gotten to Battle Royale, which is like the mini wizard mode, like three or four times already. Wow. Good for you, man. Yeah. Yeah. I want to say that game is an easy shooter. It really is. Thanks for the bits, guys. As far as difficulty goes. 5-1-0-1 chip, Dave Jeff Brenner said. Thanks, Dave. I'm going to actually add that to my note. I do have notes on some of this stuff and the pin wikis and stuff, so I will add that. Thank you. But, yeah, so Battle Royale. I've been kicking ass getting big scores on Spider-Man. Billy Wadge had to end up getting a new MPU after getting a NVRAM installed because it didn't work. I have three or four Stern sound boards here, Drew. I should have called Dave Jeff Brenner. God damn it. Sorry, Dave. Dave, I know better. I do, but I'm so stubborn, and I'm like, I can do this myself. You want to do it now. Well, no, it's not even now. I'm like, I can do this myself. I should have called Dave. Dave, you're right. Just slap me next time you see me. I'll call you. Dave, we need some help on Laser War if you can come by sometime. We got half of the Janos Kiss out, and I'm too lazy to figure it out. Thanks, Dave. Appreciate it. Love you, man. Are you doing your news? Yeah. I love the Spider-Man news, buddy. I've been playing the hell out of some Oktoberfest this week and sneaking down here. Have you been getting high scores on that, or are you still stuck on where you were? No, no. You had some good scores on it. Well, I have my GC still. Which is what? And I'm not pressing that 20. 20 million? Yes. But I got high score. No, sorry, 10. I doubled it. 10 million for my high score. You sound like me now. I got like 1 billion points. 4 million for the other score. But 10 million is pretty damn good. It is, because honestly, this is the one game. No, there's other games out there, but Ian kicks my ass on that game on a regular basis. Yeah, I love this game. So I went up there. This week I got two more high scores on the leaderboard. So, baby, I'm coming back. Jesse J, what the fuck is up, buttholes? She said that, not me. Jesse J, we're glad to have you. Jesse, welcome. So I've been doing that. The other thing that I did this week, which was awesome, was I was on the Galloping Ghost Twitch stream. And this weekend, they had, I think it was Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, if I'm not mistaken. If it was a few more days, I apologize. But Billy Mitchell was at the Gallop and Ghost trying to get a, not a, he wasn't trying to break the game, but he was trying to get a perfect game where you go through the whole game to get to the kill screen. You collect all the cherries. Oh, there's more. Yeah, you eat all the cherries. you eat, and when you get all the cherries and fruits and stuff, they turn into keys. You get all the keys. I thought getting to level 256 was good. Yeah. He's like, nope, not good enough. So you have to get all of those, and obviously it's all got to be one life. You can't die. And here's the crazy thing. All right, so Billy Mitchell's just sitting there. I just tune in randomly like it was Saturday night. How long does that take, by the way, to get to level 256? Well, I'll give you an idea. So I stumbled onto the stream Saturday night around 10 o'clock, and I turn it on. I don't know what's happening. Billy Mitchell's not sitting at the Pac-Man machine. I see the time. It's been going on for eight hours now. Pac-Man is parked in just a corner of the blue parts, and the ghosts aren't getting him. The game is still going on. He went to go and take a piss. He parks Pac-Man. I know. I'm just like, I know if I sat there with Pac-Man, he would have been gobbled up fucking instantly. But because it's fucking Billy Mitchell and he knows the patterns, he knows exactly when to park, where to park. See, Parks Pac-Man, these fucking ghosts have no clue how to get him. He goes, takes a piss. He comes back. He starts talking about how, this is really funny, he was talking about how his hands were getting really sweaty and it was starting to slip on the joystick. He's like, it's like the number one issue. and then all of a sudden he's like i tried baby powder and my hands are so dry and as he then he starts to play again and i guess it's chaos when you get out of you know there's like a pattern if you fuck up the pattern it's called chaos because now you have to just you you gotta play like the rest of us idiots collect the dots and try not to die yeah because once your pattern is fucked. Your pattern's fucked. And then once you get everything on the board, then you can do your pattern again when the next level starts up. Make sense? Yeah, it does. So the whole time he's doing this, he's doing his pattern, I'm watching it, he does the same shit over and over again. He avoids all the ghosts. He does this pattern, gets all the things, gets the key. The whole time he's just like, man, this baby powder's amazing. He's like, you just don't understand. And he plays, alright, that's level 500 or 200 or whatever. clear. Now the next one is this one. And then he goes through his little thing and he's doing the thing again. He keeps going back to the baby powder. He's like, I guess I got to tell you about the baby powder. He's like, I explain it. He's like keeping my hands dry. If I would have known about baby powder in the 80s, like you don't know how many hours I've played this fucking game. Mr. Sand. Sorry, Mr. Sand's in chat. All right. But he was like, I have played this game for thousands and thousands of hours. I never thought of it. You know, just now. Yeah, no, that is pretty cool. It was cracking me up. He just stopped talking about it. But, yeah, he played for another, I watched him play for an hour. He went through about, I don't know, 15, 20 more levels, 30 levels. He parked it a couple more times. He had another chaos. and then he died. He died. He ran into a ghost during one of the chaos and it was over. Remember that? And you know what I would have done? I would have put a fist through the fucking monitor. I just spent nine hours playing this game. But no, he was just like, oh, frick. And then he just continued to play like a normal chump and then he was like, I'm done. I was like, I'll see you guys tomorrow. I picture Billy Mitchell. Remember that opening scene in the Kingpin movie when he gets a strike and he does the splits? No. I picture Billy Mitchell doing that. Like, you know, there's some, like, you know, women crowding around, and then he, like, gets to the kill screen, and then he just spins and just does the splits. So, guys, if you can go to Gallop and Ghost's Twitch page and watch some of that, it is. You know, I was just thinking about how spoiled we got. Jeffy J. asks, is the baby powder actually just cocaine? It is cocaine. That's a fair question, because knowing Billy Mitchell... Okay, it's time for some Pac-Man. Hot sauce, cocaine, and Pac-Man. Woo! He put some hot sauce in his mouth, and then he's like, oh, my God. Whatever, man. The dude went... I mean, it's just so fucking impressive. So go back, watch some of it, and just feel like a mortal. We'll get into this maybe on a Fuck It Friday, a future episode, whatever. But I watched this video recently where there was a lot more damning evidence against Billy Mitchell about his scores. So we'll talk about that on a later episode. Anyway. All right. So that's all I had. That's my news. But I thought that was really fucking interesting. My news is Billy Mitchell does lots of cocaine and plays Pac-Man like a child. Jamie Powder, baby. All right. Should we get into some real news? Yeah, whatever. this episode of news is brought to you by twit pinball this week in pinball um i keep saying twit pinball i'm sorry jeff i know it's twit it's like redundant this episode brought to you by this week in pinball also known as twit how's that okay uh whatever everyone knows raza was streamed by flip tronic oh man did you see that stream I saw a lot of the pictures. I didn't actually watch any of the stream. I watched a bit of the stream. I would say one thing real quick. I know Canada was giving them a hard time on the angles. I guess they didn't know that it was like a, what is it, DBI out or, I don't know, one of the connection outs. For the stream itself? Yeah, no, just to get a direct feed for the- Mike Williams, Fuck It Friday is coming back. We just don't know when. Yeah. It's random. We're talking. We never know. We just had it for ten minutes. But the direct, yeah, the direct feeds from the screen, you know, but they didn't have the right cords, so they couldn't do it. But, you know, they did their best. You talk about nitpicking. I mean, I get it. They are the company, and they should have all that stuff. Well, I think they did. They did, but they had technical. No, I think this is the streamers, the flip tron. Oh, okay, got it. And they're on location. They weren't at Deep Root. they're at like some bar sure yeah so they had okay nobody had the right equipment apparently but anyway uh watched the watched a bit of it um you know and i thought fliptronic did a good job and they explained some of the stuff what i was most impressed was the pin bar was really cool i really liked the pin bar what specifically did you like about well the pin bar the way it's laid out you know i really like that you know you have your hands here you're you're flipping and then on the far right end of the touch screen on the pin bar, there is a little circle, like a half circle, and it says MagnaSave. So you can touch the pin bar for your MagnaSave. But it's all animated. It's telling you where to shoot. It's explaining the rules. And there's certain things that they can program in there. Oh, so it was telling you, like, hey, this is the best shot you should take. This is where you should be. Yeah, yeah. And plus it was very, you know, flashy and blingy and shit. So I was into it, man. Just a couple of nice things for Fliptronic. So Jesse J says, Fliptronic did their best with what they had on the very last minute. Exactly. The hate on their stream was unwarranted. Exactly. Good take. That was my point. Mike Williams says, Fliptronic did a phenomenal job. For a short notice, it was. Very good. They did a fantastic job. I'd love any of the haters to try to keep their chill under pressure like they did, especially when showing such a highly contentious game. So Jesse J. Jesse J. Jesse J, you have a lot of opinions about this. Yeah, Jesse J. You are speaking the truth, girl. Absolutely. So many pinball babies around, says Dr. John. I know it. But, no, they did a good job, and I really was impressed with a lot of things. And there are some things we didn't realize, you know, about the Deep Root setup. I like the side art lights. Did you like those? I did like those. Those are really fucking sweet. Now, it's not going to make a lick of sense if it's wedged in between a bunch of games, but on its own, it looks sharp. Seeing that side view or that angle view picture, like you see, you know, most pinball machines, that was a good-looking game. It was. Like. Very attractive. I would touch it. You know. That's what she said. That's what I said. We should have a, that's what she said, counter. Ding, ding, ding. But, you know, some games you look at and you're just like, eh, you know, it's good art. It's this or that. No, that game kind of, that game popped. It really did. No, it did. It looked good. Fliptronic did an amazing job on the stream. No hate here from us. And I thought the game looked good. It looked fun. Yeah. No, my criticisms of that game are still kind of the same, where it's like the theme is what the theme is. It's not terrible. It's just it's a theme that they chose and they're going with, which is fine. It's a fun theme. I mean, it's not. My criticism 100% lies in the fact that it's been five years and we don't have anything on the line. There's nothing on the line. And we said we weren't going to talk about them until something was on the line, but this is something tangible that we can actually look at. It was a production game. It wasn't the prototype anymore. So they showed us their pro version, right, and then the LE version. As long as we're talking about this, can I clear something up right now? Are you going to talk about your glass? I am. You're pivoting glass? I am. I know you. But you do know me. But it's probably not what you think. So all over social media, and I mean, we get thousands of comments a week, millions maybe. I can't count. I don't know. Billions. So billions and billions of comments. How many people think what we think? But a lot of stuff, you know, and people, they'll say like, oh, you know, credit Drew because he said that, you know, this should be in every game or whatever. And just for the record, I think it's a cool idea. I don't think it's the end-all, be-all. That's all I wanted to say. People were talking about it, like, Drew thought it was the greatest thing ever, and I'm like, it's neat, and I see a lot of value in it. Don't misunderstand, but I'm just like, if I don't have it in any pinball game ever, I'll survive. Kaz, I have no interest in Raza. Hope they have some good license themes coming, some cool innovations. I'd agree. I'd agree. I don't know if, for me, license is the end-all, though, be-all, end-all. I figure, you know, as long as the game is fun to shoot and the artwork pops, I'd be into it, you know. Well, it used to not be the end all like in the 90s, you know, when they were making all these great games. But the problem is now they're going up against a lot of great themes. That's the issue, really. It's true, true. But I could see myself owning a non-licensed, oh, wait, I do own a non-licensed pen. To me, it's, artwork's a big deal and the shots and layout and the toys. That's all it is, baby. And Jackrabbit, you asked about pricing. Supposedly somebody hacked into, now this is unsubstantiated, somebody on Pinside posted this thing. Someone hacked into their server or something, and they posted this thing where they had, like, screenshots of the website. I don't know what it was. You'll have to look, find it on the Pinside forums. But 4999 was the number that was on there for, like, the basic version. Got it. And then they had the version with the light-up sides and everything else, and it was, I can't remember, $6,500, $6,900, something like that. Yep. But, yeah, but $4,999, if they really come out with that, that might change some people's minds. Oh, absolutely. Because now you're like, okay, it might not be a licensed theme, but it's a full-featured pinball machine for $5,000. Because the $4,999 price is good. Food truck, my first new in body. Cavalier. Very easy. Cavalier, how much would you pay for a food truck? Not a real one, but a pinball machine. That's probably the same price. Touche. All right. So what else we got, dude? We have some sad news. Yeah. Do we need to get into it too much? Yeah, we need to. We will talk about it. How about this? We will acknowledge it. Yep. We'll maybe give it a moment of silence. Yep. I was going to read their letter. You can read it on Twip. It's a bit of a letter. Well, it's not even that. I just, you know, I don't want to take away anyone's theme or thunder. But ReplayFX, who runs Pinberg, you know, it's the big show, and they have Pinberg. They're liquidating all their, like, physical assets. So they're going to stay on as an online presence and be part of the pinball community. But, you know, like Papa, as we know it, you know, all their pinball machines, They have them up for sale now, like a million dollars worth of machines. So very sad. COVID got the best of them, and that sucks. So Kevin Martin Mark Steinman The poor men love you We do We really do No it a great thing they been doing all these years And you know there lots of other people behind the scenes that I don know their names But you know we wish you guys all the best and hope that sometime in the future you can maybe do something else in pinball that as magical as Pinberg was Well said, dude. That was beautiful. I'm eloquent when I want to be. You are. You're good. That was good. Yeah, no, it's a shame we never went. So that's something we will always have. It was on my pinball bucket list. And it's good that Ryan Kuyper was able to lie to his wife and run off to Pinburgh for a while. Ryan Kuyper, if you're listening, I'm just kidding, man. But the end of the day, nobody wants to see any of these. You know, it took a while to get to that level, right? You know, all these shows that are all over the country. It doesn't happen overnight. It takes years and years and years of growth to get to that level. And to have it all just batted away within a year is devastating for a lot of people. And it's a shame for some of us that have not yet gone and wanted to go. And, you know, I would just be devastated if MGC, you know, folded or even Pinball Expo. I would just be devastated. Which, by the way, MGC, they want to do it next November because they're just really trying to make sure the pandemic's under control, which is very cool. Good luck. Wisconsin's the worst. Yeah. Well, not as bad as Florida. Good luck, kids. But did you see that, though? Show up with your respirator. Did you see that, MGC? Yeah. I did see that MGC was selling life passes, too. So MGC is normally in April. Yeah. And obviously it didn't go on this year. And they just wanted to make sure, so they're moving it to November, which I thought was a really good move. Yeah. So, yeah, and, you know, good luck to all the operators of these venues out there and the shows, you know, the proprietors of the shows because, you know, some are going to make it, some aren't. And, you know, we just hope more make it than don't. All right. That's what we got, buddy. Can we get to some happy news? How about we get to happy hour? it's poor man pinball podcast happy hour which can only mean through deep thought and self-reflection we go to the viewers comments all right happy hour let's talk about comments drew what do we got this is my favorite part of the show yeah comment i try to do it all show long comment hour send us our comments Send some comments. What do you guys want to talk about? Well, Dr. John says, so, happy news? Try meet up in Chicago 2021 instead? We might do that. Fuck, yeah. 2021 might be the most epic Chicago of all time. Bring your urinals, folks. Yes. And everybody, I'm going to need your helps holding his penis so he can pee and puke at the same time. Yeah. We're excited. He also says, print the advice. Allow Emily to drink with these buttholes over there. Oh, he's asking. I don't know. Should Dr. John let his daughter drink with us? How old is Emily? That's the answer. That should not be the answer. You say to her, Dad. Whatever. She's old enough, man. Jesse J says, me and Emily drunk would be such a good time. Bring the gummies? Yes. Tim Lee, we've talked about it off the air. Yeah, I'm going to bring you some gummies. Emily's 18. I would say no on the drinking, but she can hang out with us. We're cool. All right. Let's have a pajama party. We could do a pinball pajama party at Expo. Yes? There's no fucking way. Are you worried about what people are going to think about you after doing this show for two years? There's no pajamas that can contain the package that I carry. What does that even mean? I don't even know. Yeah. That's what it means. All right. Keep going. Keep going. A onesie party, says Dr. John. Oh, yeah. Rompers around. Baby rompers. I'm going to wear a onesie, and I'm going to put a bumper cap right there. A onesie party. Ian can wear the kilt. Fuck yes, I can wear the kilt. Just the kilt. Just the kilt. Just the kilt. I'll hang out with Damien and play kelts. Tim Lee says, I sleep nude. Hey, Mistress Anne, what is that like? Seeing the little turtle. Oh, you were going to go there. Yeah, I did. Do I ever not go there? A little turtle. Tim, what's that heartbeat on that turtle? Oh, he's a billion. Before he flops over and dies. I sleep nude. That poor woman. Mistress Anne, you better be getting him on the good nights and let him have the wife on the bad nights. Mistress Anne, get him a gummy. I just picture him as like a rigid two-by-four just laying there. We got a dad joke here from Dr. John. That's a lot of beats left. Why do they give old men Viagra in the nursing home to stop them from rolling out of the bed? I dig it. I dig it. That's too good. That's a lot of beats left. Very well done, John. Very well done. And we get a dad joke and a non-dad joke episode. I love it. You guys are great. Oh, man. So what else? What else pinball related? Anything going on this week? Do you guys want to talk about anything else? Do you guys want to know anything else about us? Anything. It's an open book, open bar. Yeah, this is the first time ever. Normally we don't go off script ever, so this is like new. He does need a gummy. Yes, we'll get you gummies, Tim. We've got plenty of gummies. We've got gummies. We've got syrup. We've got all sorts of fun stuff. All kinds of goodies. That will knock you on your ass. We'll carry you from game to game. Yeah. Okay, Tim Lee. It'll be like Weekend at Bernie's. Yeah. Weekend at Timmy's. Come on, Tim. We're just going to. All right, Tim, this is bad cat. Yes. Have you tasted breast milk? What? Who is asking these questions? Dr. John. LOL. No, I've not tasted breast milk. Brownies will be better than gummies? Mike Williams, the gummies are so magical because it's literally this little tiny thing. You can just pop it in your mouth. Ooh, there's a joke for Ann in there. Listen, we're not on a diet per se, but we're not trying to eat a bunch of brownies. It's just Ann, you better give them the syrup. No, but yeah, it's literally like a gummy bear. You just pop it in your mouth, and an hour later, it's awesome. Is the legal age for gummies 18 or 21 over there? 21. All the states, I believe, that have legalized it is 21. Dr. John, we don't give a shit. Ask Canada's 21 too, I think. I'm not sure. I don't know. Where's Orbital Albert? Where's Brad Hopkins? We need to know these things. Bad joke. What do you call an Indian, sorry, what do you call an Indiana paternity testing facility? I don't know. Who's your daddy? Dr. John says poor Emily will be so bored over there. No. Dr. John, she won't. Here's why. I was going to say, they're not legal here in Wisconsin. That's the thing. Somehow they ended up. I don't know. They show up in a package on the door. It just happens. No, someone said 19. But still, it doesn't matter. She's 18. Oh, yeah. Plus one for the kilt. Jessie J and Don't Tilt Lidge. Oh, that's Rachel. They want you. The women want to see your kilt. Yeah. The women want to see it. It'll happen. Yeah. Okay. What am I putting on this kilt for Expo? No, right now, I think. Let's see. Rachel says, I make really good special brownies. Rachel, I'll eat the brownies. You just send them over. That's cool. How many bits to wear the kilt? Ooh. 150 bits total. We'll put on a kilt. How's that? Worth $1.50. Yep, he's worth $1.50. Right at Jesse J., Dr. John says, there should be a party. Hey, it's Liptonics here. What up? What up, Liptonics? We were talking about you, Liptonics. Dr. John gave us 200 bits. All right, well. Okay, the kilt's going on. You're getting off. Fliptronic, we were talking all nice things about your stream. We loved it. Just so you know. Thanks, Dr. Jim. We appreciate it very much. You guys get the kilt. So you know what? They don't really want to listen to us. They just want us to do a dog and pony show for them. We're goddamn monkeys right here. We're whores is what we are. Fliptronic, you don't have to do this shit on your streams, do you? Yeah. Yeah, they're like, we'll pay you to touch your nipples. We'll pay you to put on this special dress. Uh-oh. while he's standing on his chair. No, pants off, dude. Why are your pants on? You can't have a kilt with pants on. Jesus Christ. That's worth another 100 bits, I think. His pants are coming off. Oh, my God. What happened here? What happened? Rapid Flipper says no. So for you guys just tuning in, Ian has just removed his pants, and we are putting on a kilt. And, yeah, Drew is starting more insanity here. Oh, my God, I'm going to go blind. He's right above me. Hey, Drew, how's the smell? How's the view from down there? Oh, my God. So this is happening. Man takes the pants off for $2. That's right, Billy Y.J. We will do just about anything for $2. Billy, I got some left. Yeah. Joke's on you guys. He would have done it for nothing. Glen0570 says, Bar Cam. Kyle says, Pants Off, Dance Off. I don't know how this goes. Give us a little shimmy. Spywax, welcome. I don't know if I've seen you before. Dad joke. Whoa. We're going to get kicked out. Spylax says, why couldn't the green pepper practice archery? Aw. Good, good, good. I love it. That's as much as you're getting. Because it didn't habanero. Good job, Spylax. Love it. Jiggle at Ian, says Jesse J. Rapid Flipper, thanks for the bits. Yeah. Oh, this thing's going off the rails fast. There's going to be some weird stuff going on here. I love it. I love it. You know what's funny, guys? Seriously, and I'm sure I don't have to say this, but I'm going to for effect. This is how Ian and I pretty much are at the bars almost. You know, I shouldn't say daily because we don't really do it anymore, but this is kind of what it is. Don't touch the tips, says Dr. John. Oh, Jesse J., thank you for the 100 bits. I think she's saying she wants you to take that kilt off. Hey, hey, I'm married, kids. Only my wife and Drew see this. Dr. Horrible, poor man getting kicked off Twitch for adult content. Imagine what he'd do for $10, says Tim Lee. Oh, Tim Lee, for $10? Like, if it was snowing outside, we'd probably take the camera outside and just jump in the snow and, you know, in the nude. And by the way, I say that, it's supposed to snow tomorrow here in Wisconsin. So for all you people who are living in nice areas, you know, that's where we're at. Oh, Mike Williams. God, I miss going to the bar. You and me both, brother. My wife and I went to Uptown, the local pinball establishment. It's not local. They're like a franchise. For you guys who don't know, Uptown is a – they have old arcade games and pinball, and it's literally, it's a token for each game. So it's very cheap. You know, it's like a quarter or sometimes even less. They have specials. So it's very fun. My wife suggested we go. It's a full bar. And we go and they were adamant about us wearing our masks. They're like, unless you're actually drinking your drink, because, you know, the city's been really cracking down here in Milwaukee. And they're just, they like gave us like five minutes of instructions when we got there. I'm not kidding. They're like, you know, you have to keep your mask on unless you're drinking your drink. It just has to be on because we'll get shut down. And we complied, of course, but it's just like it's crazy. It's just not the same. But anyways, we had a lot of fun. My wife, I got her to play every single game there. That was my goal. She played every single pinball game there. And half the games, per her, were lame, as she always says. Pinball? All the pinball games? Yes, but she knows she really liked, and I might be able to get. The WWF? That wasn't there anymore. What did they get rid of? What did they replace it with? Monsters, I think. Ghostbusters. She really liked it. Oh, okay. So Ghostbusters might be coming home. Oh, man. Yeah. She liked it. Although, with the flipper gap, and she's not a very good player, she didn't like that. But she liked the game. Dave is trying to break up the shit show. What did Dave say? Did you hear about the new pinball location in Nashville? Sorry, yeah, Glenno said they were going to open an up-down in Nashville before COVID. Glenno, yeah, up-down is cool. It really is because, like I said, the games are a token. And, you know, they have good games. At this one, they have, real quick, Adam's Family, Game of Thrones, Family Guy, Medieval Madness, Ghostbusters, World Cup Soccer, T2, Monsters, Iron Man. It's a good list of games. And then they have every arcade game you can imagine. What are you laughing at? What are you giggling at? I'm wearing a kilt. Oh, awesome. Rachel says Monsters has always been there. No. It hasn't. It's maybe been there for a while, but it hasn't been there since day one. But they did have WWE, and now that's gone. So I don't know. But, yeah, Monsters is there. Hey. Thanks for all the bits. Thanks, bits. Hey, bits. Thanks, bits. So, anyways, make sure the screen is turned on. Oh, and Ghostbusters. Yeah. So, anyways, it was a good time. Wife took me out, and we played a lot of pinball. So we'll talk about it a little bit in the history lesson, but there was another game that had a bit of a flipper gap that nobody seems to mind anymore. But back in the day, the operators all just said, fuck it, and we're going to put posts in there. So now when you buy this game, some games will have a post and some won't, like a center post, you know? What game is that? The game we're going to talk about in the history lesson. transition time now it's time for a history lesson brought to you by poor man's pinball podcast if you're not careful you may learn something before it's done alright so here we go our history lesson is drumroll please one of my favorites Creature! What? Oh! All right. So, Creature. Ian's going to school me on Creature. Well, I did a little bit of homework today. Do you know what I know about Creature? I don't know. You know that I like it. I know that you love it, and every time I've played it at Eric Pripke's house for League, it kicked my ass. But it's a solid game. Oh, real quick, before we get into this. Yeah. Did you see, also, you can find this on Twip. Do-do-do-do-do-do. News. There was a, someone made a new mod for it for the hologram. Yeah. They replaced it with a screen, and there's, like, animations and stuff that play. Not the hologram, but it's just different. No, I know. Like, Mike D had his for a long time. Yeah, yeah. But he didn't, he stopped making it because he had a cease and desist letter from, you know, Michael. Oh, that part I didn't know. Yeah, he ended it pretty quickly. It was a short run. And the Mike D runs are very, very rare now. Yes, yes. This guy, he's just going at it. And I think he's going more on the creature side or the drive-thru. Yeah, he just did, like, generic animation. Starlight. Yeah, but it was very cool. Snack shop. It's very cool. Yeah. So I was like, you know, what a neat way, because you're right. Like, the hologram's cool, but that's way better. Yeah, but that's just kind of a cool thing. All right. So Creature from the Black Lagoon released in 1992. This was actually in the transition, the first game in the transition from Bailey to Williams. So Black Rose was just before this, and Black Rose was a Bailey game. We were 11, folks, just to give you a frame of reference. So either you'll feel young or old, but Ian and I were about 11 years old when this game came out. Yes. So weird. Good math, dude. um so yeah so 1992 one of williams's games um they sold a little over almost 8 000 units almost 8 000 units now what other game came out in 1992 that blew the doors off of all the fucking pinball hang on was that g2 adam's family oh that's right yeah i'm a family 20 000 units adam's family was It was released the same year as The Black Rose and as Creature and destroyed everything. And although Creature was very, very successful in that term, but it was cut short because of the success of Adam's family. There was that point where I think all Williams was doing was making Adam's family pinball machines. So some of these screens here are going to have Coin Taker on the bottom. Those are mods you can buy on the Creature. on the creature, and I just chose Cointaker for just randomly. Cointaker, do you want to be a sponsor? Email us at poormanspinballgmail.com. All right, so Creature from the Black Lugule, 1992. Two flippers, three pops, two ramps. Stern, eat your heart out. That's the way you do it. Wait. They're all Stern games. Two flippers, three pops, two ramps, huh? But it had two vertical upkickers, two kickouts. They have two different two-ball multi-balls. They have the Whirlpool. They have the Whirlpool ball funnel thing, and they do have a video mode. Why have you not owned this game yet? I don't know. It's on the list. Because I just feel like it's too expensive for what it is. In my eyes, it's a $4,000 game. But I feel like it keeps going up. It does. $4,000 gets me a beater, and I don't like that. No, no, I get that part, but you'd rather have Oktoberfest than that game? Oh, yeah. Oktoberfest is way deeper. I only have room for one pin. No, no, no. I get it. I get it. All right. So what kind of toys are we talking here? We have the hologram, right? Everyone knows the hologram of the creature. This game was designed by John Trudeau. Fucking toy himself. Art by Kevin O'Connor. Software by Jeff Johnson. And music is found by Paul Heitsch. Hitch? Hitch? I don't know. Paul. Good job, Paul. He's hitched to your kill. So let's see here. So this game actually started out, the theme was really just drive-in movie theater. That's what the game was going to be. Williams, drive-in. Trudeau wanted to do a theme that started out as a drive-in movie theater game, and he loved the 3D glasses phenomena that happened in the late 50s, early 60s. Very cool. O'Connor and Trudeau at first wanted to make 3D glasses to go with the game so they could have a drive-through 3D glasses game. That would have been a cool thing, you know, and you could have 3D glasses. They even have it on some of the, you know, the plastics, you know, 3D glasses. Yeah, well, remember around that time, too, like 3D was popular. I mean, when we were growing up, those 3D glasses were big. Yeah, they came back. They came back in a big way. So it never really materialized, but that's where, like, the 3D hologram of the creature kind of came in, you know. They couldn't do the 3D glasses, so they decided, well, we can do a hologram, because holograms, if you remember in 92, those were like the future. You could go to the gift shop and you could buy holograms and shit. That's true. Yeah. So the 3D hologram came into it. They said, you know, they were asked if it was hard to do the creature, you know. The only thing that was hard to do the hologram was the fact that incandescent bulbs in that small little box were too hot and they would actually start fires. so they had to use a lot of reflectors to illuminate the creature um and very little bulbs right before they were probably loading it up full of bulbs they're like you see it smells something weird yeah so so they go into it and they say fuck it let's just uh let's just do uh we'll do a lot of reflectors and it works out perfectly now if you actually John Trudeau even said if you take this game outside and with the sun when the sun hits it Like, the thing lights up like crazy, the hologram. Like, if you get a really, really bright light on it. Yeah, that's what everyone does with their machines. Yeah, I don't know. Check or don't. Questionable in general. All right, so, but the afterthought of the whole thing was, yeah, the creature from the Black Lagoon, you know. So the drive-thru movie theater got shot down, you know, with the 3D glasses. So the only way he could do it was, well, it's a creature pin. So he kind of threw Creature in first. Because Creature was one of the first three new movies. So Creature was the afterthought. Total afterthought. They didn't give a shit about Creature. I mean, they loved Creature. Yeah. And it married the two. Yeah. And if you played the game a lot, like I have, you know that that game has nothing to do with Creature. It has everything to do with the drive-in. You know, you move the car. Yeah, the popper, the snack shop. Yeah, the snack shop. It is. And then the music from the late 50s. That's crazy to me. that it's like, well, we can't do this and this, so yeah, let's just slap Creature on it. Fucking put Creature in there. That's got to be a cheap license, and boom. Oh, you're right. In that time, it was probably, yeah, dirt cheap. Yeah, because later on, they did Monster Bash. They were able to afford all the monsters. This one, they only had to buy one. Gary Stern like, I got an idea. Yeah. Well, all right, so on to the post thing. So people complained about the flipper gap in Creature. Now, it's not as extreme as Ghostbusters. There is a flipper gap. Most people have never really experienced it, and most people think that because their creatures have a post in the middle. They thought that was a factory thing that came later. So they thought it came out of the factory with the flippers. So every game was made without this. And it was bitched. Yeah, they bitched about it. The operators bitched about it. So they thought maybe Williams threw in a post to put in it. Williams never did. John Trudeau never did. Nobody ever did. This is just a bunch of rogue operators that were like, people are getting mad. I got my drill. Drilled in there, put the post in there, and said, there we go, stock. And it's funny that a lot of people find these games with the posts in there. And it just means there's more than just one operator thinking that we need to put a post in there. Mike Williams, do you have a post in your game or not? Yeah, so Trudeau said, boom. Yep, no, we never did that. We never did that. So, and Trudeau, to Trudeau's credit. Sorry. Tim says, Ann and I hooked up for the first time in 92, and it's gone downhill ever since. Wow, wow. We love you, Tim and Ann. So, I mentioned that there's two separate two-ball multi-balls, right? Yes. Mike Williams has the post. Oh, interesting. Did you put it in or was it in there? It was already in there. So, most of these games have the post? Well, it's 50-50, I think. I don't know exactly the right how many, but there is enough where it's sizable where people think it's stock, but it's not stock. Okay, so there's a large percentage of them that have it. Yeah, that game was never supposed to have a post in between the flippers. Well, no, I get that, but a lot of them have them. Okay. They do. So if there's two-ball multiballs, right, two-ball multiballs, why do you need three balls to install to play the game? the answer is there was a three ball multiball and it was late in the development cycle they had a two ball and a three ball multiball but the three ball multiball the way the creature is laid out does not play well with three balls apparently like you know it only started playing well when one of the balls drained and he could actually open up the shots but that third ball closed yeah and it makes sense because really this shot is ramps and there's the the scoop the snack bar yeah and somebody somebody said this recently when we were talking about creature where they said that's you know that's one of the things about the game is it is pretty crowded you know we always talk about wanting more shit but there's a lot of shit on there it makes it not visible yeah and um yeah software jeff johnson jeff johnson even went in as far as saying that he hated programming the third the three ball multiball because he was more of old school and He wanted more of a classic feel to this game. So he didn't think anything over two balls was appropriate. Dave Jeff Brenner says, I bought several games where center posts were added when they were not in factory. Well, that's true. Yeah, I think a lot of people did that, especially in a certain era. They don't do it so much anymore. It's a thing. It's a thing. But I wanted to make it clear that, yeah, that was something that was not an afterthought. That wasn't an aftermarket Williams piece is what I would say. Underground pinball. So it's too many balls and multiball is a problem on many games. But it's not a problem underneath Ian's kilt. Okay, go ahead. Cavalier 88Z24. Yes, it has two separate two-ball multiballs. So two different multiballs, but they don't have a three-ball multiball in it. They do not. But it does take three games to play the two balls. Sorry, two balls to play the game. You need two, or sorry, you need three balls to play the game. Yeah. All right, so Easter eggs. There's a shit ton of Easter eggs in here. Is Franchi in there? Is there a picture of Franchi's face? Because it sounds like. Tell me there's Franchi's face in there. It sounds like in 92 they were just having a party when they were making these kind of games, you know. It's probably like most industries then. They were, like, doing a bunch of coke and whatever. Go ahead. So Doho, if you guys are familiar with the game, there is – I think the girl in this game is called Doho. If someone explained to me Doho, because it wasn't clear – my sources weren't clear. D-O-H-O. But I'm pretty sure that's the name of the girl. So there's a video mode where the snack bar guy hits on Doho, and you actually strangle the snack bar guy? And they were wondering if they got this interviewer. This is an interview now. They were talking to Johnson. They were asking him, was this too violent? Did you get any pushback from Williams about strangling the snack bar guy in a video mode? and Johnson's response was, no, dude, this is the year Mortal Kombat came out. Everyone wanted violent shit. So, yeah, we wanted to strangle the snack bar guy. Yeah, so, and then John Trudeau added, you'll like this, the fortunate guy getting throttled at the snack bar is coded you know by Jeff it coder Jeff Johnson but the guy getting beaten up for being a peeping Tom later in the game that is poor Dwight Sullivan They put Dwight Sullivan in the game. Oh, poor Dwight. I think he said that in some interview. Dwight, I would love to have you on our show, even though I know you don't listen. Another thing they had fun with over there at the shop was the tilt quotes, you know, when you tilt the game or you can close the tilting. Like, hey, watch those hands. You're no gentleman. That's what Ian says to me almost daily. That does it. Take me home right now. A little rapey now, but back then they were having. Oh, yeah. All of those are very rapey. You're no gentleman. That does it. Take me home right now. And then there's one that's hidden in there that you can't access, but it's in the sound menu. It says, Jeff, you're a weenie. It was an unused sample. And that's in reference because Paul, who was the audio guy, Jeff didn't like, Jeff the programmer, didn't like some of the audio stuff that was coming in from Paul. So he made Paul redo some stuff, and Paul added that. No shit. Yeah, Paul added that. He's like, nah, Jeff, you're a weenie. Get out. Oh, that's awesome. He stuck it in there. So it's still in there if you wanted to play around with the sound clips. The last little fucking cool little bit I found on this game, last bit was the back glass. So there's the tail lights on the back glass. And it was just recently kind of discovered that they're transparent. And originally, there were going to be light bulbs behind the tail lights to light them up. Yep. But they got the kibosh on that. They didn't have enough money. They didn't have enough money for that. For two lights? For the two lights, for the tail lights. Was Gary Stern running the company at the time? That's what I thought. So Gary Stern like, well, if you get rid of this hologram, you can have those two lights. All right, one more little bit. I didn't want to add it, but I'm going to add it because it is part of the history of this game. So in the back left, too, where the woman is being carried by the creature, there was a spot to put LED or put bulbs, two bulbs in particular. Right now they got moved to the back of her hair, but originally the design was they were going to light up her breasts. I know it's 2020, but I'm going to applaud that anyway. Williams said no go. No go. Williams. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. The boss man said you couldn't do it. Wait. Jeff had no comments, but John Trudeau said, I like the original placement of the bulbs. What a pig. Fuck that guy. In 85, that probably would have flew, right? In 92 and today, that definitely wouldn't have. This game could be a Chicago Gaming remake and do well. Yeah, I think so. They still are. I'm looking at it lit, and the breasts are lit perfectly. No, I think what you're talking about is, so there was two sockets, one on each breast, but they moved them slightly to illuminate her hair and not her breasts. They probably moved them up a little bit or something. But to your point about this, I don't know that CGC is going to pay for a license. I mean, I guess, well, they did with Monster Bash, I guess. Yeah, what are you talking about? Okay. They will. I was thinking, I was like, wow, Attack from Mars, man, it was madness. If they do their special edition on this, like their CGC remake magic. You're buying it. Oh, my God. Yeah. How could I not? Would you sell Octoberfest for that? Yes, I would. Okay. I would sell October 5th for two games right now in my head, right? Yeah. A Creature remake from CGC and a Goonies Deep Root Pin. Those are the two games. Okay. Well, you have your list. I can appreciate that. Okay. No, that's a good history lesson, man. That was awesome. Super cool stuff. I would pay that cost, a new $5,999 for a new Creature from CGC. Oh, a classic edition? Yeah. Six grand. I would say, Dr. John, you're 100% right. Creature is fun, but it gets repetitive quickly. It does. It really does. Now, I have done everything on that game multiple times through just, what was it, the Pinball Arcade app. Maybe they can update the rules. And that's the thing. I mean, code can do a lot, but, you know, there's a lot of games that it's weird because every game, in essence, is, repetitive. You know what I mean? It is. By definition, pinball is pretty repetitive because you only have eight or nine shots. Yep. And I understand the comment because, yes, a lot of games are deeper than most. I was talking about Spider-Man earlier. I said, I have all those shots dialed in now, and I get deeper in that game than, say, Jurassic Park or Simpsons or whatever. But, you know, if it's a theme you like, like I said, for me, Spider-Man, is Spider-Man bolted? I'd like to say yes. We know how I am. Probably not. But will it stick around a while? Yes. Just because I like the theme so much. So even though I've gotten to the mini wizard mode and I actually, the other day, I almost got to the wizard mode superhero. I was close. I'm getting better. But I don't know. It depends on the person and the game, I guess. Yeah, when you watch Bowens play Creature on Papa's YouTube tutorial. Just blowing it up like nothing. No, he plays it like it's like he plays it better. Like I couldn't play it better with the glass off. You know what I'm saying? No, I know. And we're going to do this. I do. I'm like, does this fucker even like pinball? No. And then he rocks it during the whirlpool, so it throws an extra couple of bids. And then you do this, and then you do that. I'm watching, and I'm just like, I can't do fucking 5% of what Bowen's been doing. No, no, exactly. Bowen is good. I watched him on the Simpsons pop-up tutorial, and he's like, okay, this is what we do, or you get to alien invasion. He's so low-key. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, fuck it, we're just going to do this. I'm going to blow the shit out of this pen. I want to know the last time a guy like that gets excited about playing a game. He bricked one son creature. He's like, well, that's not how you play this game. I'm like, bitch, that's how I play every day. You haven't played my game, man. Every single morning, without fail, after I get my son on his way, I literally turn on my machines, I make a cup of coffee, and I play some games, and I smile. Yes. And I think about people like that, and I'm like, they must hate their lives. because it's like, Jesus Christ. We're simple people. Yeah, yeah. Speaking of simple, yeah, those games back then, though, they weren't meant for home use, and people just, you know. No, that's true. No, no, and I get that part, too, and I guess if you're that good, but it's still got to be fun to, like, blow it up and can you smile and be like, oh, that was awesome, I got a billion points when everyone else gets a million, you know. So that was Creature. I love it. I would say the code sucks on it for the most part. Can't believe it says Creature is cool for 15 minutes. Creature is cool for 15 minutes, dude. You know, here's my love for it comes from, it was like my, that was the first game that reignited my love of pinball. So, you know, I went to a very, very early MGC, and this is the year that King of Kong came out, and everyone was real into Donkey Kong, but they had all these pinball machines, and I was like, ah, there's a line for Donkey Kong, or should I play pinball? I'll fuck around with some pinball. You know, I used to play it in the arcade, and the first game I'd come up to was Creature. You think I played any other game that whole rest of the day? No. No, I played Creature the entire night because I was like, first off, that Creature was phenomenal, just in great shape, but two, the artwork is popping. Kevin O'Connor, you did a great job on that. It just looks so fucking good. But it's like anything else. If you ask everyone in chat, like, what's that one game that they can just keep playing, every answer is different. Yeah, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You know. What else is nostalgia placed into it? Yeah, yeah. Personal love. Yeah, theme. Theme. You know, I know for you, Spider-Man's big, so you love that Spider-Man game, which is great. Me, I love Creature from Black Lives in the movie, but I also really love that pin. So I'll get it eventually. I'm in no rush. I haven't turned on Simpsons in a while, but every time I look at it, you know, I just smile. You know, because I'm just like, oh, there's Homer's head. And then when I do play it, I'm like, oh, this game is awesome. You know, so. All right. So that leads us into our top five. And now it's time for everyone's favorite top five. Yeah, that's right, kids. We're doing a top five. What is today's top five? Top five is, we were talking about this. I struggle with this. Kevin O'Connor. I struggle with this. Kevin O'Connor. Jesus Christ. The artwork master himself. He has done so many games, and it's such a weird library of games because he starts off in the, what was it, 79, 78? Mm-hmm. And he's doing, like, the old school, like, solid state, old school artwork, you know, the very bare bones. 78 to literally 2018. Yeah, yeah. He's laughing about doing that. He's laughing about his black man sort of rage. You know, I think what suited his strengths the best was, like, you know, the Creature Days. He did Monster Bash. Well, before that, he did Bally. He did Data East. You know, he was doing some things. Data East. Yeah, he did a lot of Stern. But then he got into that Stern thing, and then he got, he was, I think he was one of the main culprits for that whole fucking Photoshop era, right? Yeah. Indiana Jones, Lord of the Rings. And I. Playboy. I purposely omitted those Stern games for that reason. Yeah, it was Photoshop's fault. Here's the thing. And we know he can draw. Taking my love for Spider-Man aside, the back glass is very dynamic. Yes. Okay? That back glass is very good. I love it. And I still want a comic version. And I'm not talking about the Vault Edition. I want a Todd McFarlane version. That's what I need. Maybe I could have Franchi draw me something cool. but drink break? you guys want a drink break? yeah I think I do I need to refresh not to interrupt you I saw some chat people wanted to go for the chat alright we're going to do a drink break All right, and we're back, everybody. We are back. We were just talking to ourselves. We're like, this is a good fucking show. Like, I think we got a good balance here. You know, we got crazy. I put on a fucking kilt for you guys. We got a little nutty. You know, he rubbed my nipples. I told you, we are trying to balance this show out like no other. And we talked to some creature. I mean, how bad? We were just talking to ourselves. Yeah, sorry. You and that damn. All right, so anyway. Well, I need that and whatever. No, it's fine. I'm just kidding. It's good. But no, so we're just happy how the show is going. How are you guys doing out there in Twitch land? Chat land. So anyways, we were talking about top five, Kevin O'Connor. He did all these great things. And then the, oh, the Photoshop. Yeah. I purposely, I omitted, spoiler alert, I omitted Simpsons Pinball Party and Spider-Man. They're both great art packages. Like I was saying, that backlash is dynamic, but it is Photoshop. It's not. It's art, but it's not. Spider-Man, and which one did you omit? Simpsons Pinball Party, he also did. Yeah, I know, but that was in Photoshop. No, no, no, I know, but he took, I think he took images and Photoshopped them. Oh, okay. That's my guess. I don't know, but that's my guess. I don't know. It's a collage. It's good, but, you know. Well, if you, all right. We'll get into it. Let's get into it. Do you want to start us off? So number five is actually one of his first works, which is just very iconic, and I like it. And call me, what's the word I'm looking for? Not traditional. Well, whatever. So 1978, Strikes and Spares. Oh, cool. It's just that iconic, you know, it's just this good-looking woman standing there in a bowling alley. you know she's prominent on the front and then they add the scene it's just a very cool I've always wanted one of those machines and for me to want a machine because of the art is very rare the game looks cool too but just to have it it's very cool so that's just an iconic piece of pinball art and pinball history so Strikes and Spares that's my number five Strikes and Spares is a classic good job man Yeah, I dig it. So my number five, I went the opposite. Okay. I went Sword of Rage for number five. Oh, it's a good art idea. For being in the industry as long as he has, Sword of Rage is one of the highlights of art last year. I really, really liked it. I appreciated kind of the old school take of the Black Knight. I thought he did a really good job. It's a little bit of rock and roll. It's a little bit of 80s and 90s, and it's perfect for a Steve Ritchie game, and I think he captured that spirit greatly, and I really liked how that game kind of came together. Now, would I like more, to shoot more into that game? Fuck yeah, I wish there was more in that game. But the art package I thought was done really well. No, it is a very good art package. I think it's a solid number five. Yep, and like I said, I'll just say my honorable mentions now, And, yeah, like, you know, Spider-Man, yeah, Sword of Rage, Simpsons. Yeah, this guy did so many great things in the pick-up line. There was. My honorables, they didn't make my main list, but my honorables, Congo. Congo was good, too. Dirty Harry. I thought about both of them. Dirty Harry had, like, a Miami Vice feel to it. I really liked Dirty Harry. Here's the thing. So, yeah. Secret Service. If he didn't do such other great art packages, those would have been in there. Mystic. Did you see the Mystic? I did see Mystic. I almost chose that one, actually. This dick was cool. Very cool. Magic stuff, man. So my number four kind of encompasses pinball hobby, Silver Ball Mania. You know, it's just this really cool, like, you know, the guy and the ball, and it's just, you know, that's pinball, right? Silver Ball. Pinball, baby. So, once again, I think that was like 1980. You know, that's super cool. Yeah, very cool. So, yeah. My number four, Judge Dredd. Judge Dredd. That one's good. You know, from top to bottom, you know, excuse the Stallone movie. Back then, that's kind of how we grew up with Judge Dredd, is that fucking terrible Stallone movie. But if you stood in front of that game, he ignored everything that Stallone movie showed. And it's like a gritty cartoon. And there is the gritty comic book edition of Judge Dredd. That is the edition that Stern would pay you extra to have on their machine. Yeah. And that's their comic book edition of Judge Dredd. No, it's awesome. And even the outside of the cabinet, just the blue that kind of brings you in there and the overall just aggressiveness of Judge Dredd on that motorcycle on the very front by the flippers, it's pretty badass, dude. Gets me, gets my testosterone going. I need more time on that game. I could drop another net. I need more time. I think Dave has that game. I need some more time on it. so my number three I don't know if this is on Ian's list or not King Kong I didn't pick that because it wasn't really released I know I was debating that because yeah they only made nine of them it was a prototype game it never went to production but it's just so iconic and it was hand drawn it was just a very cool homage to King Kong, so I thought it was very cool. Too bad they never made Cliffhanger. Kaz, you're right, man. You're right. If the poor man drew an alternative, our package for Shadow isn't on the list of writing. Jesse J. He didn't do the Shadow. I was kind of surprised by that, because that seems like right up his alley. No, no, no. Shadow wasn't on there. I know. He didn't do the Shadow. No, I'm talking about the Shadow artwork. Oh, yeah. It's very Kevin O'Connor-ish. It actually is. Yeah. Jesse J., I'm going to try to sell that package. I think we have a good argument for that. Are we doing the back glass? Yes. The Drew Shadow back glass? Yes. You too can have a Drew Shadow back glass for the low, low price of $400 to get it printed. No, I'll sell it for $299. Okay. Cheap and pinball standard. Or better yet, what is that, 29,000 bits? We can make this happen. All right. All right, so what number was that? That was number three, King Kong. Oh, we're moving on. We're moving quick. So the King Kong, though, you saw that, right? It's just super iconic. It's super. He did a fantastic job on it. It's a beautiful game. And that was hand-drawn art. That was awesome. It would have made my top five if it wasn't a production game. It wasn't a production game, so I had a hard time with it. Plus, he's done so many that were production games. No, I know. I know. It was so tough. I literally read through this list three or four times because I'm like, oh, Simpsons Pinball Party, it is great. You know, Spider-Man is great. What else did he do? He did Medusa. He did Viking. He did – and those were fantastic. That's so right. Those day-to-day East ones, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Simpsons. That was good. The Simpsons, yeah, they really are. That was your number three. My number three is and will forever be Monster Bash. Monster Bash has such a great, iconic look to it. Each monster has their own little area, and there's little details that if you're a Monster Bash fan, or a Monster, Universal Monster fan. Even if you're not, like me, it's still a great package. I mean, and, you know, CGC didn't have to touch a thing. They just had to add a little bit more lights to illuminate that art package. Isn't that funny? Yeah, they're like, this thing's great. They don't have to touch a thing. It's perfect. You know, he did a great job with it. Love Monster Bash to death. I thought it was probably the best-looking game I've ever owned easily. Easily. I don't think there was even a close second on that one. So, yeah, Monster Bash. My number two, Monster Bash. Oh, all right. Because same thing. Actually, I was towards the end. I didn't realize he did it, and I'm scrolling through the list, and then I saw that one. I'm like, that's so good. It is good. Because, like, as you guys know, I said the reason it was so hard for me not to choose The Simpsons and stuff, not even because I'm a huge fan. I love cartoon art. That's one of my things. And that's kind of what it is. It's that cartoony, like, here you got Frankenstein playing the keyboard. And, yeah, it's so iconic, just like Strikes and Spares, except there's, what, five characters on there doing their thing. So, you know, Monster Bash number two. The brilliant idea of them doing a rock concert instead of an audience. Yes. Because torches and pitchforks. What if that game was just the monsters but not doing a rock band? You know what I mean? Yeah, they're just standing there. Yeah. It wasn't the 90s. It could have happened. It could have. Yeah, like, oh, I'm going to get you. Trick Mountain Dew. That was the 90s, man. But the fact that they made them a rock band and seeing Dracula play the guitar, that's badass. Mike Williams, Franchise in the Tribe, what are you doing for your journey? He might. He would. He would. He would. He would. We try not to call in too many favors for Franchi. He would charge me $1,200 if he didn't do it. He's been so sweet to us. We don't like to push our luck with him. We like to just keep him as our huggable man. Kyle says, what's your opinion on the alternative art for Medieval Madness, Attack from Mars, Monster Bash? Who is that? Not Brian Allen. Was it Brian Allen? Oh, Brian Allen, yeah. Yeah. My opinion is it's really good. He did, you know, there's two schools of thought. You know, Franchi has talked about this. Like, as an artist, Franchi wouldn't redo that because he doesn't want to step on anybody's toes. But seeing what Brian Allen did with that stuff, I think it's really good. Yeah, Brian Allen is very talented. I don't, the Attack from Mars, Monster Bash, and Medieval Madness that I've seen, I would say, I don't know, man. I'm old school. Jeffrey, I'm going to get this done. You're going to buy it. I like the original shit better. That's just me. Well. Not to say that. Brian Allen's pieces need to be. Well, I would. All right. If this makes any sense whatsoever, which it doesn't. I know it doesn't. But I would love to hang the Brian Allen's and buy a lit frame for the Brian Allen prints. But I don't know if I'd put them on my games. That's fair. It makes no sense. No. No. It makes no sense. It does. Because once again. I view them as independent, individual arts, and I like to keep my shit my shit. You're preserving the integrity of the game. That's what it was intended to be, yes. But I really do like his art. No, it's great. You can't argue that he's not a talented artist. And how has he not been picked up by anybody? How has American Pinball not just scooped his ass up by now? You know what? I mean, the guy obviously loves pinball. As pinball keeps growing and more companies like Deep Root and stuff, I think we're going to start seeing more of these guys get better. He better get an offer. Or maybe he's making too much money doing these ultraman games. If anyone, if any company out there is making Domino's, Drew, you can hire him. No, stickfigure.com, the game. I'm your guy. You can't draw stick figures. Fuck you. I can try. I'm throwing my hat away. I'll do it for you. And they're going to be like, okay, well, the pay is 20 bucks. And you're like, I want $50,000. Because I'm an artist. All right, anyway. Where are we? That was number three. That was number two. Oh, you're number two. Yeah, I'm number two. Oh, easy. Easy. It's right behind you, buddy. Flash fucking Gordon. I had that. That was one I fought with. It's not on my list, but I had it on my list. Flash Gordon is the game. All right, I love the movie number one. So that helps. That does help. But Flash Gordon to me. Do you know that's on my top ten why I want games? I want to restore one. A Flash Gordon? Oh, that'd be great. Oh, really? Oh, yeah, dude. I would love a Flash Gordon. I'd buy it from you. They make repro playfields. Yep. And they make the hard tops. Yeah. So, like, and they're not super expensive. Well, if you get the repro play field, you don't need the hard tops. No, no, I understand that. But I'm saying, like, you can choose. Right. You know, the play field's, like, $800. The high top's like $400, whatever. It'd be crazy restoring a game that has actual parts, unlike Laser War. Yes, yes. No, Dave Jeff Brenner has a really nice Flash Gordon. Speaking of Laser War. Kevin O'Connor. No shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did. He did. It didn't make my list. Once again, it's good art, but it's not art. Not good. It's Charlie Sheen taking a dump. Well, that's a photo, but I'm talking the play field art. No, it's Charlie Sheen taking a dump while he's shooting some bitch. Oh, Jesse J., love you too. Goodbye. Jesse J., are you leaving? Okay, Jesse, we love you. We'll talk to you next week, okay? See ya. Brad Hopkins, you are making me... Cavalier. Just sold my Flash Gordon and have regrets. Oh, I know. Who just sold it? Brad Hopkins. You know, oh, FD Zombie Dog. Greetings, gentlemen. Hey, what up, buddy? You zombie dog. Yeah, dude. Flashdorn is one of those games that every time I see it, I have to play it. Oh, it's awesome. It's so awesome. And it's the art. The art gets me every time. I get that back glass alone. There's a guy in Illinois. One of the classics. There's a guy in Illinois that's been selling one for a while. I don't know why I don't get it. It works. It's beat up, but it's perfect for a restore because that's what I want to do. I want to spend a couple grand and make a really nice one. That's been on my list. So. It's one of those games I, now, does the game play great? Oh, man, I fucking suck at that game. It's a hard game. That game is not good for me. You know what's funny, though? Because I die instantly. I lose all three balls. You can ask Dave, right? No, it's a tough game. And the first time I played his game, I almost got a million points, which is, like, really good on there. Yeah. And Dave was like, what the hell? And I'm like, lucky. You know, like, just, but no, it's a fun game. It's cool. It's got the effort play field. I know I'm going to get my ass kicked, but I have to play it because it's so fucking beautiful. Gorgar is the same way for me. Yeah. Gorgar is so fucking pretty to me, and I have to play it. And then I play it, I get my ass kicked instantly, and I go, okay, I'm good. Okay, so. And then I'm going to another room, and there's another Gorgar. I'll be like, fuck Gorgar. Since I know you're into Flash Gordon, maybe. I'm a huge Flash Gordon fan. Maybe we get rid of Laser War and we buy a Flash Gordon project. I would totally do that. Because that, I mean, Laser War is cool, but a Flash Gordon project. No, man. You're talking my childhood here. No, I know. I know. So, anyways, we might think about that. Grab it. Thanks for the bet, Chef. Thanks, guys. Thanks, Chef. Grab it. Everyone sucks at that game, and it's part of what makes it so good. Yeah, it's true. It's true. So, number one. You're number one. What's your number one? Easy. Oh. No, he wasn't. It's on his list. It's not. That's not him? No. What? Why didn't he do that? He was the animation guy. So, he didn't do the art? By text? No, but the art was Greg Freres. Oh. Okay. Well. You want to change that number one, though? I'm going to have to. You want to think about it? Yeah, go ahead. Give me a number one. Well, my number one is Creature. I don't have to look. He's on the list as being part of the art team. Yeah, it's animation. Okay. Creature from Black Lagoon, just because of everything I've talked about so far in this episode. It's one of those games that I just love the black, the black, black with the hot purple, with the bright green. Very, very nice. Everything's super pop. That's my whole childhood right there. It's those really, really bright colors. Hey, Tony Scoots, how you doing? Scoots is here. Scoots. Scoots, you're late. Scoots. You lost 100 bits for being late. Sorry, so late. Yeah, sorry, Tony. You mixed this shit up. Them the rules, sir. I don't make up the rules. These are just the rules of Twitch. Read it. It's in the fine print somewhere. Live catch pinball. I got a creature from a friend that was leaving the hobby and loved it. Now, why don't I have a friend that was leaving the hobby? Damn you, hobby. So I guess then my first will have to be, I'll just, you know, It would be a tie then between Spider-Man and The Simpsons because I own them. How about the Daddy East Simpsons or Daddy East? No, that one's good. That one's good. They're both good. I like actually both of those. They are. They are really good. If I actually had to pick one of those, it would be The Turtles. So this is my main list and then I had my honorable mentions that didn make the main list But the ones we didn talk about since the pinball party I really liked the layout on that one James Rinsch, Turtles, Data East, Simpsons, Data East, and Laser War. But the Simpsons, Data East, and the Turtles. Tony Scooch, thanks for the 100 bets. If you're late, you owe 100 bets. Tony Scooch, we love you, man. I agree, man. It's a great game. So Congo, Dirty Harry. Mike Lyons says, what the hell is flashing in the background? Oh, that's Ian's. I just dropped it. I can stop it from flashing. Sorry. Is that distracting, kids? It's one of those, like, you write with a marker on a thing, you know, and it just has light behind it. It's like a special marker. What does that call it, Ian? I don't know. It's like a whiteboard that lights up, basically. Yeah, it's like one of those dry erase. Yeah, dry erase. You need a special marker. Do you need a special marker for that? Yeah. Or just like a dry erase? Yeah, dry erase. Okay. Yeah, whatever. Okay, it's not flashing. Tony Scoots getting a seizure. That's what you get with our show. That's what happened to Jessie J. She had a bounce. Poor girl. Sorry. It's like Nuno with her. Live Catch Pinball just arrived. What list are you guys putting together? Well, if you were here earlier, you got to pay the $100, 100-bit penance. And then. Why are you wearing a skirt? Oh, live catch, you missed a lot. Have you guys ever seen a Barakora? It's a super looker. Yes. Yes, we have. Barakora is one of those beautiful games that there's so much. I just saw your junk. I just saw Ian's junk. I think I saw his taint. I'm not sure, but here we are. Hey, that taint is clean. Okay, I saw Ian's clean taint. Barakora is a beautiful game. Ian Harwer, one of our tribe members, he's doing a play field swap right now, one of those, so check out his page. Yeah, Barricora is fantastic, and it looks great. So, yeah. I'm feeling like I missed one then. I don't know. He did so many games. So, anyway. Let's do some. Live catch pinball. I can pay you in whiskey once we can fly to the U.S. in the time of the event. Nope, we'd rather take a million bits now. Leave the man alone. He did World Cup soccer. We didn't talk about that. NBA fast break, eh. You know, episode one. Do I know if it says Manscaped sponsor? Yeah, we're trying to get all kinds of sponsors. Like, we'll shave our junk on stage. We're trying to get out of our jobs, bro. Yeah. Yeah. Who's going to pay us to do this nonsense? Oh, nobody. All right. Let's move on. Let's move on. Because we've got a whole show still. No, we're almost done. That's true. We are always fun. Because we don't have a tribe member introduction because you shot the ball on that one. I fucked that one up. Sorry, tribe member. We'll do that next week. Next week's a tribe member. So, you know, all that's really left today, we have our closing time. We have a very special package. So, Mr. Sand, if you're listening, what's odd-shaped, brown, and unappealing? A box? It's Tim Lee's package. Ha! Do we want to do that or do we want to do Glenn? Both. Okay, we're going to do the package first. All right, so this is our... Once again, what's odd-shaped, brown, and unappealing? Oh, my God. Too much. Bring over Tim Lee's package so we can open it up like a bunch of sandwiches. So Tim Lee, one of my favorite people in the world. I give him a lot of shit. He knows that, but Ian's humping machines. I love Tim Lee so much him and I talk quite frequently we're really good friends and Ian's playing games now bring over the package man he's like me he gets so distracted so quickly he's got ADHD or ADD or AFMKD I don't know if he should be using sharp objects right now but okay go ahead Oh, and it's a little fragile. Like Tim Lee's ego. I know. Nice. I know. It's getting crazy. You already made fun of his package twice. You said the same joke twice. Because it was so good. Yeah. Laser War looks better when it's lit up, man. Laser War is a goddamn gem of a game. No, it really is. I was looking at it earlier, and I'm like, eh, it's just a game. but you light that thing up and it looks really good. Well, I do have the hyperbeams in there. It's a little bit of overkill for what it is. Well, to be fair, they threw so many fucking bulbs in that game. They did. You guys have no idea. You know what? We'll take a picture and put it on our website. Every game has a bulb for an insert, blah, blah, blah. It has a bulb here. It has a bulb there. This game doubled every bulb. Two bulbs and an insert. Four for the... No, there was 12 for the center circle thing, plus two flashers. Oh, no, it's crazy. Overkill. It's crazy. How those games didn't combust. No. Well, that's what I'm thinking, like the amount of heat that some of those games made with the incandescents. You know, it's fine now with the LEDs, but holy crap, it's wild. Wild. All right, so here's the package, Tim Lee's package. I have just touched it with my hands. Ooh. I have tasted this package. It is tasting like a box. All right, let's take a look. What do we got? We don't know what this is, by the way. I don't know. You probably can't see that. It says, Ian and the other guy. It's a card. So I'm going to read the card first. Is that what it says? It really does say Ian and the other guy. I thought it was fucking with me. Fuck you, Tim Lee. Hey, we're not texting at all this week, sir. Ian and the other guy. Yeah, they can read it. Tim Lee. I'm going to spend a letter to Ann that says, this is from the other guy. This is for Ann. This isn't all about you, Drew. It's about me, clearly. It's about me, Ian. All right. Hold on. Hold on. We're holding on. Hold on here with this fucking kilt on. It's chilly. All right. One big gummy, says Dr. John. Wouldn't that be some shit? Yeah. One of those giant gummy bears. All right, so it's Snoopy and the little birdie guys. I forgot their names. Do they have names? Yeah, they do. Woodstock. Woodstock. So there's four Woodstocks then. Well, one of them is named Woodstock. I don't know what the other ones are named. Dear Drew and Ian, this is some really good handwriting. Oh, it's from Mr. Sand. Oh, man. Tim Lee, your wife sent us a package. Oh, man. I thought this package seemed a bit small. All right. Dear Drew and Ian, please accept this gift as a thank you for having Tim Lee on episode 67 of the podcast. 67? Oh, that was when Tim Lee hosted with me when you were gone. You see, Tim Lee originally purchased this gift the week of the podcast, and I drank it. Mmm. I like that. Brownie face. Subsequently, he purchased the second gift, and I drank it as well. I love you, Ann. Please accept this third gift as a token of our appreciation. He is standing behind me to verify I actually sent this gift. Love, Mistress Ann. P.S. The first two went down so smooth. I hope it's hot chocolate. All right, we're going to open this up. Oh, it's a box within a box. It's awfully wet in here. I hope nothing broke. That's what she said. Ding! That's like number four or five today, maybe. Ding! All right, so let's open this fucking thing up. Oh, God. You okay over there? Yeah. Just don't cut yourself. I didn't cut myself. I wasn't even close. Let's do this shit. Thanks, Jack Rabbit, for your one bit. Jack, I know. This is shit podcasting, okay? Yeah. You don't have to rub it in, Jack. That's not even going as a tip. That's like him like, can you guys move this along? Move it along. Here's a bit. Let's move it. Yeah. Here's your bit. Just quit with the nonsense. Wet box. No, it's not. It's just a regular box, Glenn. Wet box? Joke. Oh, fucking A. Yes, yes. You know, here's a funny side story while I open this. So back in my 20s, I went to this bar. It was called Sean's South. Oh, I like Sean's. And Sean, the owner, and I became pretty chummy because I'd go there every weekend and spend all my money. He loved me. And he kept telling me he wished he could relabel or rename his bar. He wanted to quit the bar business but then go back into the bar business. But he wanted to name his bar Liquor Box. Yep, real clever, buddy. liquor box. I see what you did there. I see it. This is a true story. You're so funny, you fucking idiot. Anyway, so Sean, that's all he wanted to do. And then he ended up going broke anyway because his bar sucked eventually. Why do bars try to do the hard rock, hard metal live bands? That always kills bars, by the way. Because it's such a small sack here. I know. Anyway, long story short, a week ago, I drove by a bar and there was a sign that said liquor bar. Is that in St. Francis? Yeah. That's been there a while, actually. Yeah, it closed. It's something else now, but the sign got taken down instantly. Alright, here we go. Ready. It took a while to get this damn thing out, but it's packed good. Way to go, Ann. We appreciate the good packing of the package. Oh! What is it? What is it called? No, it's not vagina weights, Leno. Oh, my God. All right. It's bourbon whiskey infused with habanero. Oh, shit. How would you pronounce that? You're the Spanish manger here. Yeah. Cocho bourbon whiskey infused with habanero. Cocho. Cocho. Cocho bourbon whiskey infused with habanero. All right, man. Get us some shot glasses. Cocho. We'll take some sips. All right. Mike Williams, keep the knife away from the important parts. He's only wearing a kilt. Let's see the shots. And Mistress Anne, you got it right. Yeah, is it Cocho? Cocho! Yeah, Cocho Burns. Mistress Anne, thank you so much. We really appreciate this. Boom! Here we go. Anne was freaking out on the wet box. Most women freak out on the wet box. It happens. I'm sorry. But I'm pumped. What does it smell like? Smells good. Yeah, it really does. All right. This smells like, this label looks like some homemade shit, though. And what are you doing on your free time? Yeah, I know. She's like, well, I'm stomping these habaneros by foot, and we're going to make this happen. Smells like man's feet. No, I'm joking. This smells great. So I'm drinking this out of an Ohio State marijuana. Hold on. Let's see if we can get it up. I know it'll probably be blurry, guys. I'm sorry. Tony Scrooge says, line me up. Cavalier says, I'm in. Cavalier, you better get here. You know what? Jeremy Schmitz, Mr. Cavalier, you would have fun here. We need to get him on one of these shows. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. Jeremy, you're coming to one of these. You're going to love it. All right. Here we go. All right, Drew. Tim Lee. Mr. Sand, there's a story right down the road from my work, and your Kessler's Bottles doesn't look homemade. It is. It's poor man's pinball whiskey. Okay. Hey, Mistress Anne, we appreciate the guest. Hey, is she making fun of our whiskey? No, no, that was Glenno. Oh, fuck Glen. No, I'm joking. I love you, Glen. All right, here's the code. Salute. Thank you, Anne. Thank you so much. My butthole is already burning. That's way too hot. Woo! Woo! What are they doing? I don't think you are fucking telling us the truth, Anne. I don't think you drank two bottles of that shit. I speak some Spanish. I don't know what cocho means. It means hot coochie. That was the hottest coochie I've ever had, and not in a good way. It doesn't taste bad, but, like, the spice and the kick is like, whoo. What do you drink with this stuff? Apple juice, maybe? Whoa. Whoa. Jack Rabbit says flaming butthole. Yep. Butthole. And? This is one of the better gifts we got. It is really good. It is powerful stuff. Like, not even from alcohol content. That's just like. I feel like it's Thursday already. It is. We missed a couple days here. I feel like I went forward in time. Happy Thanksgiving. Gobble, gobble, bitches. Oh, my God. Ann, thank you so much. You know what, Ann? That's an acid reflux just waiting. Yeah, he actually does have acid reflux issues. That's why me, I'm like, yeah, it's fine. It's just a little spicy. You have to get Tim. Ann, this is what I like from you. I would like you to get Tim to take a video of him taking a shot of that. That's what I want to see. Thank you, everybody. I appreciate that. Thank you so much, Ann. That was so generous of you. We will be having some more fun with this habanero butthole sauce. All right. Yes. Butthole sauce. the heavy slurring and incoherent babbling can only mean one thing it's time for last call all right so time for last call we're gonna go into our mailbag we have we're not even part of mailbag anymore because it's its own thing kids first of all tony scoots says drew's turning red we've been over this drew's always red uh penis is a little redder than his face. You want to see? No. Tim Lee says she drank the entire bottle in one night. Ann, you're a stud. I love you, Ann. Damn, man. What are you drinking with? And Mistress Ann responds with Tim is a wimp. Yeah, we all know Tim is a wimp. We love Tim, but, you know. So, with that being said, Tim. I love you guys. Tim and Ann. Thank you, Tim. All right. So, we're going to do Glenn. Last week, did the podcast of genius right yes are you paying attention i'm trying to read oh no not last call with mike williams we're gonna do our uh so glenn last week did the podcast of of genius right the real podcast genius right dr john gifted some subs to some people thank you dr oh i appreciate I appreciate it, Dr. John. We really, really, really, really do. We need them so bad. I can't pay my rent here. It's tough. So the Real Podcast with Genius is a segment that Glenn has created. And it's going to be, I think he was going to say it wasn't going to just be limited to podcasts. He's going to open it up to everyone. Oh, all right. And we have not heard this. We have not heard this. And with the help of Tim Lee, who does all of the writing, as much as you guys think I hate him, I love Tim Lee more than just about anyone in the pinball community except for this man. For real. Tim Lee. I've been around a while. That's awesome. All right. So Tim did this. This Glenn does his magic with his magic little vocal cords. It's smooth. That's Laser War getting angry. You guys see that shit? That's why we don't turn on Laser War when we're doing it. You hear that shit? Laser war is... I love that style now. I love it. All right, so here we go. Real Podcasts of Genius. Poor Man's Tribe presents Podcasts of Genius. Podcasts of Genius. Today we salute you, Mr. Totally Rad Pinball Podcaster. Pinball Nerds, Pinball Podcast. While others strive to bring us perfectly focused pinball content, You give us goats, bees, alpacas, hurricanes, craft beer, disc golf, maple syrup, jam, herbal tea, and septic tank stories. Boy, tell us, let's talk about pinball. While having a steamy moment with drop target Danielle in the shower, you say, Hey, baby, grab my phone, let's turn this into a podcast. Because you think about heat, not wind. Editing? Ha! Who needs editing? It takes a real podcaster to discuss Pinburgh's A-Division while listening to a goat take a shit. They want to get into the memories. So proudly raise your bongs, Dalton of the sidetrack. Record five more podcasts today, because even though you're everyone's favorite podcast, you're always number one in our hearts. Brewed and bottled, beautiful. Rubber, reverse, and let's go, Sean. Four Man's Tribe presents Podcasts of Genius. Podcasts of Genius. Today we salute you, Mr. Totally Rad Pinball Podcaster. Pinball Nerds Pinball Podcast While others strive to bring us perfectly focused pinball content You give us ghosts, bees, alpacas, hurricanes, craft beer, disc golf, maple syrup, jam, herbal tea, and septic tank stories Well, in ten minutes, let's talk about pinball While having a steamy moment with drop target Danielle in the shower You say, hey baby, grab my phone, let's turn this into a podcast Because we think you're found key, now when? Editing, ha, who needs editing? It takes a real podcast to discuss Pinbird's A-Division while listening to a goat take a shit. They must have got it to the very end. So proudly raise your bongs, Dalton of the sidetrack. Record five more podcasts today, because even though you're everyone's fifth favorite podcast, you're always number one in our hearts. Brute and Bottle, beautiful. Rubber first, Nova Scotia. So, oh my God, you need to send that to fucking Orby. We do. So for some context, if anyone doesn't listen to the Pinball Nerds podcast, it was a couple weeks ago. And Orbital Albert was in his – he was literally taking a shower. So back up even a second. Just for some context. Orbital Albert records most of his stuff on his phone, which is fine. and he was literally in the shower, you know, recording this podcast. He does, you know, like he does. And he's talking to his wife and then he, like, asked her to, like, grab the soap and you could tell, like, it was just this whole thing. The way, I don't know, it's just so funny. I don't know if it's funny or the way Albert does his podcast or that, but both of them are great. They're both entertaining. Don't forget to listen to Pinball Nerds Podcast. Ian is fucking dying right now. I just love Elroby. I know. I love Elroby so much. Elroby is the most genuine person in pinball podcasting. Thank you. Besides us. We're pretty genuine. But he is, I just shudder to think that he doesn't have as many listeners as us because he should have more. Because he is so fucking entertaining. He told us early on. Genuinely. He was like very, very funny. I have this many listeners or whatever, and you're right. Like I said, because he is the genuine Dio. But his thing is he doesn't do production value. He just likes to talk about pinball, which is awesome. God. And he's very honest, and we love him for it. So, Orby, we're lifting the glass to you. We love you, Orby, so much. We really do. We love you, Glenn. We love you, Tim. Thank you for everything. Isn't Orby one of the people you want to meet in person most? Oh, yeah. Out of all the media? Yes. Of anyone that we've met? I've met a lot of the media, right? Yeah, sure. I've met pretty much everyone. Yeah, most of them. I think I have not met Orby in person, and I want to give that man a big old COVID bear hug. You know who's the closest second to him? When I met Bill Webb when he dropped off at Avengers at my house? Oh, they have. Like, he was that nice guy. Ah, yeah. You know, like I said, he's like, he's like, oh, he goes, do you got a few, he goes, can you set it up? And I said, yeah. He goes, do you got a few minutes? I was like, yeah. He's like, I'll help you set it up. I'm like, are you sure? He's like, I got to get going. But I'm like, he's like, yeah, no, no, no, I'll help you. I'm like, you don't have to. He's like, no, no, no, I'll do it. And I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Like, you know, just the real people that you meet in this hobby are great. And, yeah, I might be a little drunk right now. We're getting emotional. Yeah. But no. Glad you killed it, man. That was better than last week. Yes. And when you said those alpaca and this and that. Honey. Yeah, yeah. And the goat takes a shit. That just puts an icing on the shit cake right there. I love it. Shit. Glenn? Glenn's the other one. Now we've got to meet Glenn. You know, like, we've interacted with Glenn so much online and, you know, whatever. Sometimes I forget that I have not interacted with Glenn in real life. Isn't that funny how that works? No, it is. I feel like I know you, Glenn. All those guys. I just want to let you know. Yeah. Most of the tribe members. Josh Mudge is another one I've not met, and I feel like I've met him more than I needed to meet him. COVID needs to end. Yes, we need to get going with these freaking pinball meetups. So. Well, great job, guys. I really appreciate it. And Dr. John, by the way, he meant to gift a sub to Mistress Anne. He gifted it to somebody else, Underground Pinball. He's like, okay, they can have it. Great. Now he gets to hit the mistress. And Dr. John, we appreciate all your support. Guys, all of you, seriously, we appreciate all your support. Yep, yep. When I tell my wife that X number of people listen to this, first of all, she says, no way. And I'm like, no, really, they do. And she goes, they're not listening. They're just whatever. And I'm like, no, I think they actually listen to what we have to say. Don't. They're just enjoying the ridiculousness of it all. But we love it. We do. We do. So thank you guys so much for joining us every single week. Yeah, absolutely. Are we wrapping this up? We are wrapping this up. Okay, wrap it up. Yep. So, Tim Lee, I'm sorry about your small package, but I appreciate it. It was a little wet, but we're good. The package is fine. Mr. Sand, thank you so much for the wonderful gift. Yes, you are wonderful. You know what all the people are talking about? I want to meet Mr. Sand. I want to meet Tim Lee and Mr. Sand. No, not Tim Lee, just Mr. Sand. I want to meet Mr. Sand and Tim Lee. Yeah. Tim Lee and I have a different relationship than you two have, okay? Tim Lee and I literally talk every week multiple times a week. We have no relationship. But we have a different one. It is different. It's more of an unsaid thing. So all jokes aside, Tim Lee is one of my favorite people in the pinball world. Okay, beautiful. All right, anyway. So cheese slices to Tim Lee and to Glenn and to all of the listeners. It's me eating the cheese. Hold on. Yeah, we got to do it again. Here we go. Yeah, that didn't work. So there you go. There you go. Eat the cheese. We love you guys. Are we fucked up? Yeah, we're fucked up. All right. Did you guys get what you wanted tonight? Did you guys get off? Because we got off. We got off. I'm wearing a cape. It's so cold. It's so cold. My taint is so cold. All right. Well, thank you guys again for listening. I want to thank our sponsors again for whatever reason supporting this ridiculousness. That would be Twip. That would be Jockton, our buddy there. Jockton's selling his house in California. Is he moving to Wisconsin? He posted a picture. He's moving to Georgia. But, man, he posted a picture. He must be selling some pin shades. The motherfucker had a nice house. But, no, pin shades. Poor Man's BF for the $30? Yes. Thank you, buddy. and don't forget to go to Silver Ball Swag no hold on we're not done with our sponsor we got don't forget Zach and Nicole can't forget them they've been amazing to us Zach I'm calling you I'm making some big moves soon I'm buying a lot of games we do have a lot going on in the hopper here but Zen Studios thank you for I don't even know why they support us but they do they like us and Doc who was here earlier Doc Finlay God bless them. PinballPrices.com. PinballPrices.com. Thank you. And did we get everybody? Oh, Penn Stadium's Black Friday sale. Buy your Penn Stadium's. It's the best deal of the year. BF20. That is the code. That will save you a lot of money. You can get money off of anything. Penn Stadium's. I'm going to do something crazy right now. Hold on. Uh-oh. It's coming. Penn Stadium's. Listen to this. Ian's getting crazy I don't know what he's doing but he's trying something uh oh look at that put it on the fucking machine you dick laughter laughter Ian's drunk here we go look at those pinstames those are the hyper beams on the laser war they are beautiful look at that game look at that He clear-coded that himself. Look at Oktoberfest. Also PinStadiums. Those are the regular PinStadiums on Oktoberfest. Look at his kilt. Look at that dick. Look at that taint. They are awesome. Okay. We love you guys. We're ending this now because it's just getting absolutely ridiculous. That's me. That's him. Here we are. Peace out. Bye, guys. Love you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. We'll be right back. What's inside a book? I always want a book. What's inside a book? I always want a book. What's inside a book? The views expressed on this podcast don't necessarily reflect the views of our sponsors. Obviously, they don't really care as much as we do about buttholes and what's inside them. So thanks for listening, guys. Have a great day. Bye-bye.

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