# The Pinball Show Ep 40: Get It Off Your Chest

**Source:** The Pinball Show  
**Type:** podcast_episode  
**Published:** 2020-11-30  
**Duration:** 100m 22s  
**Beat:** Pinball

**URL:** https://www.thepinballnetwork.net/e/the-pinball-show-ep-40-get-it-off-your-chest/

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## Analysis

The Pinball Show episode 40 features host discussion of The Pinball Network (TPN) collapse with guest Greg Bone from Straight Down the Middle. Greg details how TPN snowballed from a three-person project among friends (Greg, Ken Cromwell, Dennis Creasel) into a larger network initiative, then fell apart after IP domain squatting and sexism accusations derailed the launch. The episode includes industry news on Stern code updates, Deep Root's subscription model leak, and discussion of community drama and misinformation.

### Key Claims

- [HIGH] TPN was initially conceived as a three-person show between Greg Bone, Ken Cromwell, and Dennis Creasel wanting to do something different from Straight Down the Middle — _Greg Bone describes the genesis of TPN in detail, explaining how three friends wanted to create a different show together before it snowballed into a network_
- [HIGH] Someone purchased the TPN domain/IP specifically to obstruct the network launch — _Host states: 'somebody went in and they stole, they bought up all the IP' with Greg confirming it was 'our fault for not doing that' but noting someone did it 'just to be an asshole about something and go in and just do that just to hinder someone in the community'_
- [HIGH] Sexism accusations against TPN founders were false and weaponized to damage the group — _Greg Bone states: 'we get hit with the whole sexism bullshit' and 'That was the nail in the coffin' and 'it was a blatant way to try to discredit us there was no way in hell that we had were sexist in any damn way at all' with documentation of false accusations_
- [HIGH] Deep Root's leaked Root Access subscription model costs $49.99/month or $549/year with DLC/update access as primary concern — _Craig Chandler segment details leaked Deep Root staging server content showing subscription service structure and pricing discovered via Google CacheView by Pinside user Blueberry Johnson_
- [HIGH] Stranger Things code reached V1.00 completion, Black Knight Rage got V1.02 with DJ mixer, Avengers Infinity Quest received major V.94 update — _Craig Bobby's Stern News Correspondent segment reporting three new code updates for Thanksgiving_
- [HIGH] TPN reached out to female podcasters like Crystal Gimnick for inclusion based on merit, not quota — _Greg clarifies: 'we had Crystal Gimnick was kind enough to start the plum, which we loved' and 'we always look at well where are we going to get criticism' and emphasizes they 'asked them because of their merit'_
- [MEDIUM] Stern potentially planning a Steve Ritchie music pinball release before end of 2020 — _Craig Bobby speculates: 'all eyes turn toward a possible Steve Ritchie music pin release. Will Stern be so bold as to add just one more title to their already stellar 2020 season? Or is this merely wishful thinking'_
- [HIGH] Host is adopting new editorial stance to call out misinformation and criticism without tiptoeing around industry personalities — _Host states: 'I've been listening to different media... I get tired of all of the misinformation out there, and I'm no longer going to tiptoe, walk on eggshells... I'm going to congratulate the things that are beautiful in pinball and if there's something that is pretty ugly, I'm not going to protect everyone's ears'_

### Notable Quotes

> "I've had enough. I want something different... I'm no longer going to tiptoe, walk on eggshells. Life is short, man. It's just too short."
> — **Host (unnamed)**, ~19:00
> _Frames the episode's new editorial stance and the host's frustration with industry misinformation and politics_

> "That was the nail in the coffin. That was a stomach punch. We have documentation showing it. Using social justice to harm other people."
> — **Greg Bone**, ~35:00
> _Describes the sexism accusations against TPN as weaponized and deliberately false, citing documentation_

> "It was a blatant way to try to discredit us there was no way in hell that we had were sexist in any damn way at all none of us has ever portrayed any sense of being sexist"
> — **Greg Bone**, ~34:00
> _Direct refutation of sexism accusations with emotional weight and personal defense_

> "Somebody went in and they stole, they bought up all the IP. Yeah, our fault for not doing that. To just be an asshole about something and go in and just do that just to hinder someone in the community."
> — **Greg Bone / Host**, ~30:00
> _Describes deliberate IP domain squatting to sabotage TPN launch_

> "I do not like spending my fucking time on the internet having to defend myself. That's why I don't post bullshit. That's why I don't get involved in a lot of stuff."
> — **Greg Bone**, ~38:00
> _Explains personal motivation for withdrawing from social media and defending TPN against accusations_

> "It's still pinball. I still miss it. I still missed all of it. You were my friend. You wanted everything to continue. So a lot of it I do for you. But a lot of it's just, I don't know. I still like to give my opinion on games."
> — **Greg Bone**, ~42:00
> _Explains why he continued in pinball community despite TPN burnout_

> "To ship a pin crippled out of the box? That would just kill Deep Root before they even start. My take is this program will be analogous to Microsoft's Game Pass or Sony's PlayStation Now."
> — **Craig Chandler (Deep Root correspondent)**, ~60:00
> _Provides analysis of Deep Root subscription model as analogous to gaming subscription services rather than pay-to-unlock features_

> "Perception is truth on the internet. Because no one wants to ask questions. No one wants to go in and no one wants to reach out to us and say, hey, guys, what really happened?"
> — **Greg Bone**, ~36:00
> _Comments on how false information propagates online without verification_

### Entities

| Name | Type | Context |
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| Greg Bone | person | Co-host of Straight Down the Middle podcast, founder of The Pinball Network with Ken Cromwell and Dennis Creasel, pinball media personality, real estate agent and teacher |
| The Pinball Show | media | Podcast hosted by unnamed host, featuring industry news and pinball discussion, Episode 40 marks transition to every-other-week format with rotating guest co-hosts |
| The Pinball Network (TPN) | organization | Attempted pinball podcast/streaming network founded by Greg Bone, Ken Cromwell, Dennis Creasel, and others including Zach Minney. Collapsed due to IP domain squatting and sexism accusations |
| Ken Cromwell | person | Co-founder of The Pinball Network alongside Greg Bone and Dennis Creasel, involved in Flippin' Out Pinball media |
| Dennis Creasel | person | Regular co-host of The Pinball Show rotating to every-other-week format, co-founder of The Pinball Network, now appearing on Eclectic Gamers podcast |
| Straight Down the Middle | media | Podcast hosted by Greg Bone and others, covering pinball topics and community discussion |
| Deep Root Pinball | company | Pinball manufacturer with leaked information about subscription-based Root Access service ($49.99/month) and arcade edition pricing ($4,999) |
| Stern Pinball | company | Major pinball manufacturer releasing multiple code updates: Stranger Things V1.00, Black Knight Rage V1.02, Avengers Infinity Quest V.94 |
| Flippin' Out Pinball | company | Pinball distributor/retailer operated by Zach Minney, coordinated delivery of Ninja Turtles pinball machine as Christmas gift to Greg Bone |
| Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles | game | Stern pinball machine recently received by Greg Bone as gift, described as similar to Walking Dead with unique shots, initially resistant to learning curve before appreciating depth |
| Star Wars | game | Stern pinball game coded by Dwight Sullivan, initially perceived as having too many multipliers and stacking issues before becoming appreciated |
| Walking Dead | game | Stern pinball game referenced as comparison point for Ninja Turtles gameplay depth and shot design |
| Ghostbusters | game | Pinball game referenced as example of tight shots requiring learning curve |
| Crystal Gimnick | person | Female pinball podcaster/content creator who was contacted by TPN founders for inclusion in network based on merit |
| Zach Minney | person | Operator of Flippin' Out Pinball, co-founder/early advocate for The Pinball Network expansion |
| Blueberry Johnson | person | Pinside user who discovered Deep Root staging server information via Google CacheView |
| Fowler | person | TPN co-founder who left project along with Greg Bone and Ken Cromwell, part of original podcast circle |
| Craig Bobby | person | Stern News Correspondent for The Pinball Show, reports on code updates and speculation about Steve Ritchie music pin |
| Craig Chandler | person | Deep Root correspondent for The Pinball Show, provides analysis of Deep Root subscription model |
| Steve Ritchie | person | Legendary pinball designer, subject of speculation about potential music-themed pinball release from Stern |

### Topics

- **Primary:** The Pinball Network (TPN) collapse, Community misinformation and drama, Stern code updates and new features, Deep Root subscription service model
- **Secondary:** IP domain squatting attack on TPN, Sexism accusations and weaponized social justice, Ninja Turtles gameplay and learning curve, Media credibility and false personas in pinball industry

### Sentiment

**Mixed** (-0.35) — Episode opens positive with Greg Bone friendship reunion and Ninja Turtles gift, but pivots to heavily negative discussion of TPN collapse, false accusations, and community drama. Host expresses frustration with misinformation and vows to be more critical. Greg is emotionally charged discussing sexism accusations as weaponized attack. Discussion of Deep Root subscription model raises concerns. Overall tone shifts from friendly/nostalgic to angry/frustrated.

### Signals

- **[business_signal]** Deep Root's leaked Root Access subscription model ($49.99/month or $549/year) raises concerns about DLC/shareware model where owners might receive incomplete code and need to pay for updates (confidence: high) — Craig Chandler reports leaked pricing and structure from Deep Root staging server; notes community concern about crippled-out-of-box software, though analyst suggests Game Pass analogy more likely
- **[community_signal]** The Pinball Network collapsed after IP domain squatting and weaponized sexism accusations. Founders (Greg Bone, Ken Cromwell, Dennis Creasel) received false accusations despite reaching out to female content creators based on merit. (confidence: high) — Greg Bone detailed account of TPN genesis, domain squatting attack, and sexism accusations he claims were deliberately false with documentation available
- **[community_signal]** Media conflict at Twippies awards and between competing pinball podcasts/streamers prompted TPN founders to create unified network to reduce competition and conflict (confidence: medium) — Greg Bone: 'With the creation of the Twippies for the last couple of years, there started to be some conflict between media providers and pinball that we ultimately as a group, I think I can say this, we were kind of sick of all of that'
- **[design_philosophy]** Ninja Turtles pinball has tight shots and fast gameplay requiring learning curve similar to Walking Dead but with unique shot design; initial resistance gives way to appreciation (confidence: medium) — Greg Bone describes initial difficulty with Ninja Turtles, drawing comparisons to Star Wars and Walking Dead code learning curves before developing appreciation
- **[leak_detection]** Deep Root staging server contents leaked via Google CacheView by Pinside user, revealing intended product launch plans, pricing ($4,999 base), and subscription service details (confidence: high) — Craig Chandler: 'Mega props for some super sleuthing by Pinside user Blueberry Johnson. They unearthed some interesting information via Google's CacheView web archival engine, which captured the contents of a Deep Root staging server'
- **[personnel_signal]** Dennis Creasel transitioned from The Pinball Show regular co-host to every-other-week format, now appearing on Eclectic Gamers podcast with Tony (confidence: high) — Host opens episode: 'dennis creasel the regular co-host of the show is now every other week... he's on the eclectic gamers podcast this week'
- **[product_strategy]** Avengers Infinity Quest received major V.94 code update with upgraded light shows, second secret skill shot, and new callouts (confidence: high) — Craig Bobby reports: 'Avengers Infinity Quest, and it's a big one, with V.94 featuring upgraded light shows, a second secret skill shot, new callouts'
- **[rumor_hype]** Steve Ritchie music-themed pinball release speculated for end of 2020 from Stern, though marked as 'wishful thinking' (confidence: low) — Craig Bobby: 'all eyes turn toward a possible Steve Ritchie music pin release... Or is this merely wishful thinking on the part of Stern Pinheads?'
- **[sentiment_shift]** Host announces pivot to critical journalism stance, no longer protecting industry personalities from criticism due to misinformation fatigue (confidence: high) — Host: 'I'm no longer going to tiptoe, walk on eggshells... I'm going to congratulate the things that are beautiful in pinball and if there's something that is pretty ugly, I'm not going to protect everyone's ears'

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## Transcript

 Warning, the following episode contains adult language and screaming goats. Listener discretion is advised. The Pinball Network is online. Launching, The Pinball Show. Pinball is a game of skill. For some, it's a passion and a lifestyle. It's time for The Pinball Show. it's pinball with personality welcome back listeners to the pinball show episode 40 the big four oh we've turned the page a new chapter is among us where dennis creasel the regular co-host of the show is now every other week you can catch him this week on the eclectic gamers podcast so go listen to him and tony over there but in the meantime i have a special guest this week my special guest is one of my best let's face it he's my best friend uh it is from straight down the middle uh early on from the pinball network's very own gregory bone how's it going greg yeah i just love how i got introduced as just just one of your friends one of my best i stopped myself and i was like let's face it but the damage was already done the damage was done yeah i could always edit it out i suppose but I bet you won't. I won't. Absolutely not. I couldn't, I couldn't imagine starting this new chapter every other week. Me having a cohost with anybody else, but you, you fire me up the most. You're there to listen the most. You give me the most quote unquote feedback. Then I also reign you in the most. You do. You pull my, pull my cords down so that I can't fly into the stars. Uh, hopefully, hopefully I won't be, I'm a little unchained this episode. I've had a nice break this last week, Greg. You know, family and I have taken a break, a little vacation, but I'm here. I'm back, and I'm better than ever. What the hell have you been up to? Just playing some Ninja Turtles, thanks to you. Oh, yeah, Ninja Turtles. Tell some people about some Ninja Turtles, how that went down. So I woke up the other morning, and the wife was like, hey, you know, it needs something such and such from the store. So I was like, yeah, okay, whatever. This isn't uncommon. So I go out to the store, I come home, and she proceeds, get this out of the basement for me. Go down to the storage and get this. So I walk down the stairs, and sitting in the middle of my basement is a brand new lit up Stern Ninja Turtle. Hell yes. Thanks to Flip N Out Pinball. Oh, thanks for the fun. She coordinated a super special early Christmas present that got delivered and set up in my basement. so it was a it was a shocker uh to say the least because it really wasn't a game that was on my radar i think zach's the one that talked her into it well yeah it's a great game yeah well i knew it was to be fair i knew that it was your type of game i know you very well i know what games you like what games you don't like and this one will take a little bit of time to get into but once you do i just it it screams greg bone style of play well but you know it's already changed for me Because, you know, like I said, I was going to buy one at your house one day when I came over. And I played yours, and I was just like, man, every time I play this, I can't get into it. It's just not – I don't know why. I just don't like it. So, obviously, I'm stuck with it now. So I'm going to play it. And, man, it truly is. Like, it's already started to change. Like, you know, it's one of those things that it reminds me a lot of The Walking Dead. but better shots just different shot i don't know man it is there's something unique about it that i didn't give it a chance it was just more or less learning that rule set a little bit you know and it wasn't it's not super complicated rule set it's just getting to know it and getting those shots they're not easy shots um but they're not i mean the same for dwight sullivan's coded star wars we were like that at the beginning remember we thought i don't know there's too many multipliers there's too much going on they're stacking i don't like this and then we fell deeply in love with that pin i agree and and honestly i think that that's where it's headed with this one like you know you you put a handful of games on there you start to gain a little respect for it it's just learning shots it's just one of those it's not an easy game out of the game and i think that's any game like ghostbusters anything like once you start learning the gates pretty pretty not easy to shoot but it's i mean it's it's accessible but that's what i'm saying so you you automatically are like okay i kind of like this i don't like it but if it's a tough game like houdini or you gotta you know you're in a tough game like dead where you yeah ghostbusters where you're learning those shots the the trajectory isn't exactly where you thought it would be the shots are a little tighter it's super fucking fast oh god i don't know if i've ever played a game so fast in my life um but yeah it's just once you learn that stuff you get the flow you learn that you can combo the hell out of that game right ramp the center ramp oh oh it's oh my god like it's just insane so yeah i mean i i'm actually and you like you said you've never steered me wrong on a game even when i've doubted if it sounds crazy like stranger things yeah oh yeah oh yeah honestly you never steered me wrong so that's one of those things i'm like you know okay i'm gonna give it a chance here i'm gonna play the hell out of it see what i can open up and and i don't think you've done me wrong again i think it's gonna open up to probably be one of my favorite games chelsea bones you hear that we succeeded. Woo! What did you think? Fucking GNR was going to be sitting in your basement? That's what I was hoping for. Yeah, it was fun to coordinate that. What a fantastic wife to get that for a Christmas present. Jeez. I haven't checked the bank account. She probably spent my money. Well, that's okay. That's okay. You were going to buy something anyway. It's a thought that counts. I could have swore. that's why I was kind of talking her into Turtles because I'm like if not he's going to buy like a damn Independence Day and it's going to be sitting down there don't get anything but an X-Files or an X-Files I guess hell bit against that X-Files you've been playing a lot of Turtles but we've not been recording straight down the middle as much as we have in the past is that a welcomed break from you in between or is it just coordinating schedules why haven't we been seeing and hearing as much from greg bone oh schedules man e-learning you know i'm i am currently a real estate agent a teacher a husband a uh maid uh you know you know mechanic like it's kind of you know i'm bearing the weight of mr mom everything in the house yes definitely mr mom but you know what man like i welcome it like that's my kind of life that I enjoy, honestly. And you do well at it, too. I do. I was raised by a single mother. And even my pop. I was raised by my grandparents for a little bit. My pop was retired at the time. And my pop took care. He fixed dinner and everything most nights. And he took care of everything around the house. So I was kind of raised by that when I was younger. And he was a very manly man, too. So it was a welcome thing. Oh, yeah. Harry Chest. He was a cop, a farmer. Oh, hell yeah. When he was a retired police officer. Yes, I mean, he was a burly, very disorderly old man. But he was also very nurturing and loving. Apple doesn't fall far from the tree there. Yeah, he was a bit of an asshole too. No comment there. I took after him well. Now, I've got to ask because I swore, listener, here's the deal. I told you guys last week, I mean it this week, and I'm going to prove it to you. if I have people on here, I'm not laying out some red, I'll lay out the red carpet, but you're not skipping down it. So if I'm going to ask individuals coming on here brave enough to come on here with me, I'm going to ask them the questions that not only I want to hear the answers to, but maybe the audience or the community want to hear the answers to. So with that being said, I'm not afraid to ask you, Greg Bone, you can tell me to piss off, but I'm at least going to ask it, what the hell happened with TPN? I know, but the listener wants to know. Greg was part of this TPN thing. Ken Cromwell, Dennis Creasel, Fowler was part of it. And then it crumbled. What the hell? You wasn't joking with your last statement, were you? No, I don't remember. Did you and Fowler kind of step away at the same time? Did you before or after? I don't remember that. I don't think it was like a simultaneous. I honestly can't remember which one of us. It's been like, what, 10 months ago? Yeah, we were both teetering on that. I think it was just one of those things that we'd had enough. Okay, so what the hell are you talking about? I had enough. Was it me? I can't remember if this has been discussed very much or not. Episode 40, baby. You're feeling squirrely, and you really want to open a can of fucking beer. Well, here's the thing, Greg. I've been listening to different media. I've been watching different media. I've seen the way this pinball industry has grown substantially over the last year with regards to manufacturing, marketing, media, and I get tired. I just get tired of all of the misinformation out there, and I'm no longer going to tiptoe, walk on eggshells. Life is short, man. it's just too short. I'm going to congratulate the things that are beautiful in pinball and if there's something that is pretty ugly, I'm not going to protect everyone's ears from hearing it anymore. I'm going to be me. For better or worse. Maybe I don't get any co-hosts. It is what it is. Yeah, but I mean, I don't blame you to an extent. You know me and you. We've talked about this off the record quite a bit on that and you know where I stand with it. I don't necessarily blame you for the direction that you're going in okay um do you always think it's the best direction no but i certainly i can't blame you for it because i and i think a lot of other people share those same frustrations it's just the lack of wanting to voice them for you know not wanting to stir the pot not wanting to cause rift conflict between you know friends manufacturers anything else you know acquaintances in the hobby and that's why a lot is kept under wraps that's why a lot of people don't speak a big thick layer over a lot of things and it's not there is not helped me for biting my tongue i've got sores i'm done well and it is frustrating like you said like when you see misinformation because we're one of those people that in there's there's quite a few of us in the industry that's privy to certain inside information or we know a lot of backdoor workings we're involved in a lot of stuff and for the the normal hobbyist or enthusiast that listens to podcasts that watches shows they're not privy to it and they will hold people to a higher regard over false, I won't say false idols, over just false pretenses. They hold them up higher than what I think they necessarily should because they're not the people, they're like any celebrity, I guess. So they hold them, they attach themselves to the false persona that they portray, which is part of what being a celebrity of any sort, pinball celebrity, anything is, is you create a false pretense that's why when you see something you know dramatic that uh so and so cheated on their wife or they did this or they were caught in this risque deaf as an alcoholic what yeah i just want to watch the pirates of the caribbean films that's how a lot of uh listeners are gonna feel i don't want the drama i don't want anything like that yeah and you know what i agree with some of that you know what if that's what you latch on to but just don't talk about them like like You have to be careful about who you back and who you back morally with certain things just because of you simply knowing their persona. If you don't know them as a person, you know what? Stay off of it. Just say, I enjoy the show. I enjoy what they have to say. I enjoy seeing their post. Leave it at that. Don't go in defending them. A lot of personalities in the industry and in pinball media. So why in the hell did you leave? I keep trying to steer the situation. I'm going to pull it back. We were tired. I wanted something different. We? What, you got a mouse in your pocket? You, you know, Ken Cromwell. We were all just kind of bored, I felt. Again, I don't want to put words in other people's mouth. I don't want to speak for them. So I'm going to say this to myself. But there was a reason that we all got together. And we wanted to do a show. and we wanted to do something together because we were friends, really good friends. We become very close with Ken over the years. And I talk to Ken a lot. You talk to Ken a lot. And so we kind of got involved. It's like, let's create this show. What if we did a three-person show? Nobody does a three-person show. It's hard to do solo. It's not easy to do two. But three, I think, creates a dynamic like being solo. It adds just an extra layer of can you make three people be able to rift off each other? Can you do this? And then there was talk of alternating co-hosts, so we kept it at two. So we tossed around a lot of ideas, but the one thing that was for sure, we wanted to do something together. Like we wanted a change, a change from straight down the middle, a change from special when lit. Everybody just wanted something a little different and something a little more ambitious, a little more free-spirited, to put it loosely. Something to include anybody that wants to be a part of it. Well, this was the very early thing before TPN even started. Okay, gotcha. And we just wanted to do a show. Well, then it started snowballing and snowballing very quickly to a network. Like, what if we develop another show? Who was pushing that? I wonder. So, Big Head and Zach Minney goes and starts, like, we start talking about all this. Ideas start formulating. We talk to Fowler. We bring Fowler on board. You know, he wants to do it and do a show. And then it goes from, like, maybe two different podcasts to let's try to fill every day of the week. And that's sort of where the TP and the network got involved. And all this snowballed. It happened very quickly. A couple months, I mean, we were working hard on it. Exactly. We FaceTimed each other. Just everything. We're always in communication and bouncing back and forth. And it all started from just friends. Three friends that really wanted to just do something different, trying to push that envelope a little bit. and you know as as anything happens when you start brainstorming you start tossing around ideas and you really start doing stuff and something snowballs you're just excited it's all excitement and we wanted to bring in you know we wanted to bring in some established people that could lend credibility to the network and then we just wanted to bring in people that we could give a platform to unheard of people that no one really listened to that we believed in no different than products that we showcase or we talk about. You know, if we don't believe in them, it's just not our taste and we just don't want to be a part of it. With the creation of the Twippies for the last couple of years, there started to be some conflict between media providers and pinball that we ultimately as a group, I think I can say this, we were kind of sick of all of that. And I, for one, the reason I was pushing the network idea was because it would have been nice for everybody to have one place that they can just create content for all the listeners and viewers out there and they don't have to worry about competition or being better than and having conflict we're all just part of a team of just pinball people yeah because of being under that umbrella it makes them feel i feel makes them feel a little better a little more credible it gives them some notoriety because we have a good following. We have a fairly vast following. So does Ken. So did Fowler. The initial core group of people, and Dennis, everyone had this following that when we bring someone in and we vouch for them, We can help them. We can help them, and that automatically puts a spotlight on that person or that podcast or that streamer or that person, and it helps them grow. Now, it might not still be everybody's cup of tea. You know what I'm saying? They might not gain mass following or anything, but I think it helps. It's a platform for them to stand up and for us to be able to get them to thousands of people to at least have the opportunity to be heard. So why'd you leave? So we formulate this and we start this and we start to go. We're looking at going live with it. you create this amazing freaking promo video for it and right out of the gate to announce it yeah yeah we needed something we were all excited we knew we had already set a hard target we set a date that we wanted to roll everything out so it's one of those target deadlines we want to push it back we're rolling with it we didn't see we had a number of podcasters that had signed up another that were kind of in queue trying to decide whether they wanted to or not you were always reaching out to people about people were reaching out to people all the time as this was still going we got turned down by some people and it wasn't a who's who so we didn't go in and we didn't ask every major podcaster because honest and this this is the honest to god truth like there was a lot of people that we didn't ask because we thought that they thought tpn would be a ridiculous idea no way were they going to attach their name to it because they're established people what the hell is in it for them to be under the umbrella of of tpn and it was always open to where if somebody wanted to join that'd be oh yeah yeah yeah yeah exactly now i'm not saying we 100 would accept everybody or at that time we discussed you know we're not going to accept everyone um we're not going to turn you down for just because you're an established podcast we just literally sat there like the like if we ask this person they're going to think we're a joke yeah that's why some people weren't asked from the beginning. But again, we just wanted to ask people that we were very close with that we thought would say yes. When we asked Teolis and Marty, I don't think that any of us really thought they would get on board. We thought that they were too big to want to be a part of this. We discussed and we were like, well, none of us really do a show around tournament competitive-based stuff. It would be cool to have a show doing that. I wonder who would cover that well. And somebody who can help win credence. As well. You know, an outsider, because I think some people know our circle of friends. And so if we get somebody who we're friends with but aren't necessarily part of our circle. Yeah, to show that camaraderie. Yeah, it would add that accreedence. And both of them are very large names in the pinball industry. And Marty was ending his head-to-head thing. And we were like, oh, my God, there's no way he can go off the airwaves. No. Yes, yes, there was a lot. And we love Teolis. We love him. So, like, you know, all that was perfect. So, you know, we get all this together and we roll out that promo. We're all freaking excited about it. You know, at this point, a lot of our hesitation is off because we're excited about such an awesome promo. And then we just get hit with criticism, which is expected, but fine. Yeah, criticism is fine. But then somebody went in and they stole, they bought up all the IP. Yeah, our fault for not doing that. We didn't think we needed that. To just be an asshole about something and go in and just do that just to hinder someone in the community. Control us on it. Yeah. And it's even worse if it was somebody besides us because it's somebody else trying to do something big and add content and try to do something different in the community. It was a setback. It was a setback. But we're all just like, whatever. Google, whatever. So then, you know, and there had been a lot of drama surrounding a lot of shit in the background of our world anyways in the pinball world. Sure. So there was a lot of fed upness that I'd had with the community in the first place. Yeah, where's that on you? Yeah, that's why you wanted this new start. Yeah, and that's kind of what pushed towards this new start on doing TPN and doing the pinball show or any kind of segment on there. And then we get hit with the whole sexism bullshit. Oh, yeah, yeah. And that was the nail in the coffin. That was a stomach punch. for me um and i think some other people too because it was a blatant way to try to discredit us there was no way in hell that we had were sexist in any damn way at all none of us has ever portrayed any sense of being sexist of of trying to you know hinder women or try to not give them a platform and it was put out there so blatantly and just for the intent to do harm towards us i believe that wholeheartedly oh yeah that's factual yes like i it wasn't it wasn't for a a better cause it wasn't for anything it was simply to try to defame us with a target on me Notably you. And we have documentation showing it. Yes, correct. Yes. Using social justice to harm other people. Yes. Perfect. That shit pissed me off because I empower the shit out of my daughters because I want them to be strong. Like I said, like opening the show up, man, I was raised by a single mother. There are a lot of struggles. You know what I'm saying? I never want my girls to rely on a man to get them through any aspect of life. My kids know how to change a fucking tire on a car at 8 and 11 years old. You know what I'm saying? I teach them everything. I can vouch. You very much empower your children who happen to be girls, unbelievably so. It makes me proud. Yes, and my wife walks all over me. I love it. Like, we have such a mutual respect. Yeah, it was a crazy, unbelievably ridiculous accusation, yes. Yes. But it picked up some steam. It did pick up some steam. Without anyone in that, that's another one of those bullshit things. Even if we had people who have rejected us on the pinball network that were women. We had Crystal Gimnick was kind enough to start the plum, which we loved. She was weighing her, talking to her employer. And you had reached out to some other female podcasters and people. Oh, that's just complete bullshit. But it's still perception is truth on the internet. Because no one wants to ask questions. No one wants to go in and no one wants to reach out to us and say, hey, guys, what really happened? Did you just start this men's club? And even to begin with, let's just say that it was just us. We were friends. we tried to cover every base and and we always look at well where are we going to get criticism and there was a lot of smart people who were not new to the game in this and the fact that we would ever get called sexist was the farthest thing from our mind because this whole thing started with just a group of friends or just military in any manner no not at all and i understand where the people were like well it was a network the name network sure is what drove and felt like it should be all inclusive And none of us disagreed with that at all That why we reached out to female podcasters but at the same time none of us looked at it that we needed to be inclusive to women just to have women so that we didn't look a certain way we asked them because of their merit exactly and we were only started this we only did all this because we were friends like it was just a group of fucking friends that wanted to start something different and again i understand back to the perception stuff of where that the network may have looked like it should have been more but i also think that that was a crutch that was a platform that was almost like a talking point that was built upon by people that just wanted to attack and it that was the nail in the coffin Because I do not like spending my fucking time on the internet having to defend myself. That's why I don't post bullshit. That's why I don't get involved in a lot of stuff. Because I cannot stand wasting my days having to defend and go back and forth on bullshit that is false accusations that all someone had to do was write one text message that would have been so much quicker and simpler than creating a whole fucking meme edited and doctored into a book. illustration and just simply said, Hey, I'm hearing a few things. What is this about? Like what's going on with this? Everything would have been cleared up when you deliberately post stuff without asking the person that you're posting about. You are just simply going on an attack. Yeah, that's all it is. That's all it is. And that's why I bounced out of the fucking thing. I had enough. I couldn't, I didn't want to defend myself. I didn't want to, it was a waste of my life. I had too much going on with my family, with work, everything else, to not put all of that effort into that. And I was gone, and I think that's why some other people bounced too. Yeah, that sounds fair. Well, you heard it here. I like it. Not to get too long-winded. Oof. See? But you asked. See? I got him fired up, y'all. That's what I wanted to do. I wanted to bring out the inner bone there. Okay, now that we've got him exposed. Good. It's good to see you, Greg. Yeah, good to see you, too. It is good to see you. So what made you get back? Why continue at all? Why do straight in the middle? Why come on the podcast? Why listen to podcasts? Well, because it's still pimple. Yeah, there it is. It's still pimple. I still miss it. I still missed all of it. You were my friend. You wanted everything to continue. So a lot of it I do for you. But a lot of it's just, I don't know. I still like to give my opinion on games. I still like to talk about games. I like to try to defend a game. if it's good, uh, you know, it's still exciting. Like it's still what we got into this hobby for. So it's hard to walk away over, you know, a few people, a group of people being assholes about stuff and trying to, you know, tear you apart. Still pinball. I think the listening audience is glad you're still here. They've missed hearing you. They've missed hearing Fowler. They've missed hearing Ken Cromwell. It's great to have, uh, it's great to have the old gang back again to chat some pinball. So are you ready to chat a little bit of pinball news? I guess so. Now you got me all worked up, I'll probably be fucking hot about everything. Welcome to the pinball show. It's time for TPN Industry News. New Code Madness and the Steve Ritchie Watch continues. Hey, hey, hey, everyone. Craig here again, the pinball show's Stern News Correspondent. While hot on the heels of last week's no-show on the new code front, the coders at Stern came roaring back with not one, not two, but yes, three new code updates for everyone's pinball-playing Thanksgiving Day festivities. We've got new Stranger Things code, V1.00, as this code officially crosses the finish line to more or less being more or less complete. Black Knight's sort of rage code V1.02 as this code gets a DJ mixer feature as well as other various polish and bug fixes. And lastly, Avengers Infinity Quest, and it's a big one, with V.94 featuring upgraded light shows, a second secret skill shot, new callouts, and so much more it's ridiculous, as this front-running game of the year from Stern just keeps on getting better. And with Thanksgiving now behind us and Christmas a mere four weeks away, all eyes turn toward a possible Steve Ritchie music pin release. Will Stern be so bold as to add just one more title to their already stellar 2020 season? Or is this merely wishful thinking on the part of Stern Pinheads? We shall wait and see. That's all for this week. For the Pinball Show, I'm Craig Bobby. Catch you on the flip side. Chris Chandler here with your latest in the world of Deep Root. Mega props for some super sleuthing by Pinside user Blueberry Johnson. They unearthed some interesting information via Google's CacheView web archival engine, which captured the contents of a Deep Root staging server. Most of the content captured was a retread of the Twip article back in September, but some new details emerged. It should be noticed that none of this is official, but given the source, the capture date of 930, and the Raza release dates mentioned, most of which have now passed, we can probably assume these were Deep Roots' intended plans had things gone differently with the VIP visit. While pricing was not shared for the other models, the base model, aka Arcade Edition, was listed at $4,999. Getting most of the buzz, and by buzz I mean hate, is the mention of a software as service, aka subscription play, called Root Access. It costs $49.99 a month, or $549 annually, and offers free quote-unquote enhanced support, $100 flat shipping for all Deep Root pins shipped in the continental United States A $2,500 credit if you buy 5 games There's no mention if this is lifetime or annuling Deep Root swag Advance info on new games Jumping the line on new orders And the main point of contention DLC and updates Many are concerned that this opens the door for Deep Root to ship Essentially a shareware version of code requiring owners to pay up $550 a year to get the full game they intended to buy. Personally, I don't think this would be the case. Pin peeps are up in arms enough about DLC in general. To ship a pin crippled out of the box? That would just kill Deep Root before they even start. My take is this program will be analogous to Microsoft's Game Pass or Sony's PlayStation Now. This does raise questions about the value compared to other subscription services like those, though. For example, for right under $35 a month, you can own an Xbox Series 1X, the good one that looks like a refrigerator, and get access to almost 350 games. So another concern is that the legal page states that the DLC is licensed to the individual, not to the physical pinball machine itself, and is not transferable. Depending on the amount of content, this could prove contentious. There were also a list of many a la carte items that people could choose from for their pinball machines, which I won't detail here, but while some of them seem to be good values, like how about a $200 topper, Mr. Many, I do have to ask, $125 for a glow ring kit? Really? I mean, if I look on Titan Pinball, most of them are like $30 to $45, but I don't know, maybe I'm missing something here. A couple of other interesting items from the site. The community menu holds a quote-unquote homebrew section. When you couple that with the pin RDE, also known as Rapid Development Environment, does this imply that end users could craft their own rule sets for Deep Root pins? If so, then maybe there's some value add there. There are even distributorship details mentioned. Verazit seems to work more like a referral system than a normal distributorship. I will be interested to hear how this compares to other manufacturers, but Deep Root is requiring a 50 game commitment per year. Seems like a steep commitment for a company that has yet to ship a pen, but we'll see how this model works out. Now again, just a word of caution that none of the content can be confirmed at this time, but Robert mentioned on the Fliptronic stream that they will reveal pricing and etc. very soon. So one final item, Deep Root released the Pen Access app. The app allows you to create a profile, scan your pin, see your scores, report issues to DeepRoot, and view support documentation. With your DeepRoot update, this is Chris Chandler. Hi, this is Ken Rudberg with your Jersey Jack update. As Jersey Jack works on its domestic production of Guns N' Roses, Slash continues to promote what he's calling, quote, the coolest fucking rock and roll machine that's ever come out. His most recent interview where he talks about his work on the Jersey Jack machine is in Spin magazine. Spin is a prominent music online webzine, and Slash was asked, What are some of your all-time favorite machines? In addition to Jersey Jack's Wizard of Oz and Dialed In, Slash said, You know, it sounds corny, but I still love the Addams Family machine. It's one of those games that ticks all the boxes. It just seems to work. This most recent interview shows that Slash enthusiasm for the Guns N' Roses machine is still going strong This last week, Jersey Jack posted on social media that domestic games are on the line and shipping now Commenters on both Instagram and Facebook asked when collector's editions were going to be on the line Jersey Jack responded that they will post on social media when they are For the Pinball Show, this has been Ken Rudberg Hey, this is Kaz with a quick American Pinball update. While there's no major news this week, American Pinball is having their Black Friday sale, so check out their Facebook page and the American Pinball website for more details. There's shirts, plastic sets, art blades, rubber kits, and even an Oktoberfest beer stein on sale. So everybody has a great week, has fun playing pinball. For the Pinball Show, this is Brian Kosner. let's jump right into deep root sure they haven't produced a pinball machine yet for the public but our deeper correspondent chris chandler had a lot of updates here i'm a little fuzzy on this um essentially it is this deep root pinball we reported last week they threw a game on location of production model flip tronic streamed it uh there was pluses and minus about the uh the game in general. Gameplay. Was there more than one game there? I believe there was two. Yeah, it looked like there was two. I believe there was two. So, they've been receiving feedback on that. We still don't know what the price is. We still don't know when they're going to be rolling them out. If they even have a production line, etc. But someone, Blue Perry Pancake, or some person on Pennside, tapped into the Deep Root website, hacked into it, and found some other information regarding pricing and scheduling, et cetera. So I say this with a grain of salt. I don't know if any of this is true. It's just what was on their website at some time before, you know, a couple months ago. So what to take of this, listener, is, and Greg, there is a thing called root access that this person found. It was talking about a subscription that you sign up to, a monthly $50 subscription to get different benefits and of one of those benefits there was downloadable content dlc for pinball machines you had to i believe pay the yearly requirement so it wasn't 50 it was broke down to 50 a month there's still a still a yearly subscription what do you think about the idea of paying 50 is a lot of that's a lot of money paying 50 a month is a lot paying 50 bucks a month and potentially not having the whole game from the start well i think that it's been proven uh that no one wants downloadable content in this hobby um now i'm not always opposed to it if it wasn't something substantial like if you've got uh i don't know maybe extra call out something you know okay something is a little bit of an add-on a little bit of a tweak um but fifty dollars a month like i feel like that there's some substantial stuff missing that's a lot if you're gonna go fifty dollars a month well i thought that uh i could see it and i think it was canada that mentioned that too or some other podcast but um doing like an online like to get online and share scores and that there's your that's part of your fifty dollars a month i could see something like that yeah yeah something like yeah that's fine but and i don't think that they would be dumb enough to go in like surely to to go in and have anything substantial missing from the game you say that but man they've raised eyebrows from from my head a lot over the last couple years because i'm almost wondering if it's if it's just what you said or canada whoever but whatever you just mentioned you know like what you do with big buck hunter you do with golden tea or something like that of where i like the game pass with xbox you know you can maybe try some get there's ways to do it yeah but you're not paying fifty dollars a month i have a hard time believing that anybody that's going to spend five to ten thousand dollars on a pinball machine and asked to then do a fifty dollar subscription a month is going to be happy no well and i'll tell you what it seems like i i didn't read the article i saw it pop up i guess with mortal kombat 11 um i guess there's a lot of downloadable content stuff on there and a lot of people were really pissed off. I get different skins, maybe. Yeah. Like, you know, Escape Noobler, that little mini wizard thing? You can reach it in the game, but if you want to play the little subset game as a competition thing, maybe that's part of the 50- Well, and that's what I'm saying. Like, if you want to take your coders and you wanted to code something that was, like you said, just like Escape from Noobler, but you even did something different that wasn't even in the game and it was just a little accessible thing that you could download that gave you another little time run or something that coders wanted to put in. I personally don't see anything wrong with a manufacturer doing that because you've already got the game there. You're making a little bit of extra money for the company. It gives you just something extra to flip around with, especially on a favorite game. You like the way it shoots. You know what I'm saying? It just gives you a little extra. It's nothing technically taken away from the game or that should have been in the game to begin with. It's just extra. I would pay for something like that. Or even the possibility that you're not missing anything if you don't pay for that. Oh, yes. Yeah, 100%. You have a complete game. One of the benefits of the subscription, this is where it gets a little bit confusing. One of the benefits was $100 flat shipping fee for a game. Now, then it starts making more sense because we know that shipping fees to move a pinball machine from one place to the other are a lot more than $100. but then it's like well why would you attach that to a subscription because you're not going to be able to necessarily create that many machines in the year to make it make sense so maybe it's also confusing we don't have enough information I don't even want to give much of this weight because it's not been officially announced if this is the direction that they're going in it's going to pose some benefits and a lot of questions and a lot of anger so we'll see I don't think that they're going to produce machines anytime soon So nobody's going to worry about this stuff I know that they even had They were talking about in this unreleased stuff Dealers and how to become a dealer It sounded more like a Ferrazza referral system Where you're not really doing much But you get paid a little bit for the referral I don't know what they're going to do I have no clue Canada was reporting that there's no production line And if there's no parts or production line Then they're years off again I don't know I have no clue what any of this is. Yeah, because that seems like a minimum of three to six months to set up and really get functioning easily. So I'm at a loss. I just thought listeners may want to hear. I don't know what this is. I do want to shoot Raza, though, but it looks pretty good. Yeah, I want to play it. It looks good. It may not shoot good. You know what? It did look a hell of a lot better in that stream than what I thought that it was going to. Oh, sure. The pictures that were shown and stuff on Facebook. I want all of my cabinets lit up on the side like that. You know what? I thought I did. I liked it, and I thought it looked pretty, but I'm like, man, is that going to be too much? And then does it really matter if you stick it in between games? I've never asked myself, is it going to be too much? You know what? I believe that. I really do. I like the subtleness of Alien. See, and that just wasn't enough. It's like, ah, so you get a lit panel. Good for you. That's why we're like yin and yang. We balance each other out. That's right. Oh, Jersey Jack Pinball is in the news as well. Another nod to Kaneda for reporting that Mirco has made a change to the playfields going forward, and we should not be seeing any more issues on pooling or chipping of JJP's GNR playfields, as well as other Mirco playfield and reproductions. I've heard that before. Yeah, I know. How did we not have that under control already? Why is there a change? like what where did we first really start seeing this at ghostbusters oh yes yeah that was in that yeah that was a chipping ghosting issue yeah because you're chipping in the trough yeah too soft pulling than chipping issue but the major what game did the major pulling but all happened at one i mean it was all where we at kind of pirates of the caribbean um then you had it on the stern games with some of the jurassic park stuff the address so what are we in a year yeah year and a half easy and they redid the wonka playfields wonka was doing it then they redid the playfields they looked good well that's what i'm saying like that's the weird thing to me is it's like you know this issue happens and then i again we no one ever gives us what is actually going on of course with them but it's weird that like it's always weird to me that stuff comes out the the pooling happens the chipping happens and then your next set of games everything's fine i think it just shows you the complexity of mixing clear coating having different batches thinking you have the same ingredients on one of the tubs that you buy and then it being different and always ever changing yeah yeah some people attribute it to the super glossy glass like super coats putting coat on top of coat on top of coat charlie from spooky says it's a thinner clear coat on the 90s games that's why you don't get that shine that's why you don't get the pulling and chipping who knows nobody knows what it is i don't even want to get into it but Mirco has now there's a spot under the apron reportedly there's an indicator under the apron where either Mirco or the person buying the play field the manufacturer can test the actual curing of that play field and tell if it's too soft, too hard. So that's the report. It's also reporting that there is some changes in the mixture of these new playfields. So I've heard it before. Let's see. Let's wait and see. We'll see. I'll tell you what. My Ninja Turtles looks fantastic. Oh, was it? The turtle, I think the one you got out of your batch, I just did a white glove on one out of St. Louis. shout out and that one was beautiful that's the way mine is it's not i i've put a lot of plays on it already yeah it takes some time but like my my stranger things dimpled it looked like a fucking golf ball in a week like i like it was to the point of like i don't even know if i can see the characters it's all about them air balls too yeah very true come off the off the but dude ninja turtles is so fast like i literally caught a an airball off of my third flipper and you know the ramp that drops it onto the play field in the orbit you would think it popped it up back into that ramp oh wow it went around yeah i got caught such an air because i caught it just right off that flipper because like dude you hit that ball it's so fast so i get quite a few air balls on there but it's looking good yeah yeah there's a few small dimples but it's not hardly anything the color is fucking phenomenal on it like they had to go back on that one too remember Yeah, I know. That's what I'm saying. So it's one of those things. It's like, why is mine so nice? And you're a stickler for that kind of stuff. I am. I am. There's no way around it. No. You are a stickler for those kind of things. I know. You know what, though? That Wonka you had, I did not care. It's such a dim game. Yeah, there was some chipping on that. You had some problems with that. I never noticed that. I would have bought that game in a heartbeat. I honestly should have. I still miss Wonka. I do, too. I did go back and look at my G&R the LE that I have it does have pooling and there's a small part under one of the slings that is pulling like it's pulling away from not pooling but pulling where it is I guess you would call it chipping so I've had it on had it on that had it on Pirates had it on Wonka I've had it on I mean I look at my stern playfields there's maybe little issues here and there on all of it so I'll still see what it is I don't like it I want it changed, but I still play the hell out of it. Oh, yeah. It's hard not to. That's the problem. They've got to spud the balls. Everybody's got to spud the balls. Did you see Jersey Jack's Facebook? Literally. Did you see Jersey Jack's Facebook page where they have a whole pile of GNRs that they're shipping? Finally. But they're going overseas. Well, you know. The hell? That whole new import tax. Oh, the tariffs, yeah. The tariff. That made me wonder, and I don't know if you have any insight, because I guess you really don't do any overseas orders, really, but I'm almost curious about how many overseas orders got canceled and whether we'll see more domestic orders being fulfilled quicker because of those canceled overseas orders. I don't think they'll. It's for Europe. 25%. Now, there's not a lot of games that go over there, but 25 that's a huge amount to pay for what they already pay for a pin yeah and i don't know the details behind it whether or not they're grandfathered in because it the sales happen i don't know enough info but possibly very possible there was a lot of machines sitting there that were going overseas a whole lot i was impressed i just want to message ken where come on ken where's my thing i feel bad for that guy because he took the job as the communications director and we both know him very, very well. If I know him well enough, we don't talk shop much, but he's got to want to be able to communicate stuff and probably cannot, would be my guess. Because sometimes silence is best. Yeah, probably killing it. I don't agree with it, but I understand where a company comes from. I want to know more and more information. I want to hear that they hired 15 extra line workers and expanded their entire production line. We know the Stern is working overtime. They're working Saturdays. They are just, whew, there ain't no stopping them right now. No, but you know what? I mean, they fell behind just because of all the COVID stuff too. Sure. You know, I'd like to know what setbacks. It's one of those things, like, for a Stern insider stuff and all that stuff, like, I would just like to see some kind of correspondent for these companies or somebody. It doesn't have to be, like, an official release, but, like, I wish that they'd release something or have somebody in, because it's just, it doesn't really make a huge difference, But I think as a pinball enthusiast, I personally like to know hey, okay, we had to social distance within our factory So we had to cut our our workers We had we had 60 employees and now we're down to 40 because we had to separate people on the line Make them further distance So it slowed production in this aspect Like it just little things like that that I like to know That I don think would harm them and actually I think would make them look better because it like OK well hell that why I not getting my game That why Stern so far behind right now They're working around the clock, but they're also down physical bodies to be able to assemble and make these games. Same thing with JJP. I'd like to hear a little bit more about that and kind of see where they are from a production standpoint. Sure. And that's why people listen to the pinball show, because as a dealer, There's a lot of information that we receive, especially during new product launches, we'll receive from Gary Stern. It's not a thing where they don't want us. It's not like they're like, oh, this part is confidential. You can't really. They don't necessarily care. I think most of them there just don't know that people would care about them. So that's why I will discuss and talk about some of these details here on the Pinball Show. Oh, I think you're exactly right. I just don't think it crosses their mind, and nor do they want to, you know, extend themselves. I try to be a conduit of that communication for some of these. I mean, I have a platform. No other dealers that I know are doing podcasts regularly. Yeah, I do. I think people just want to hear it. It's stupid, but I think as an enthusiast, we all just consume every little bit of information that we can. Sure, sure, sure. Jersey Jack Pinball does have some merchandise coming. We've been teased with some shirts, some hats, posters, glass covers. So some GNR-related stuff is coming from JJP very, very soon. I want them to make those banners. I keep telling Ken, messaging him, make some banners like Stern. I like those banners. I do like them. Those are very cool. Speaking of Stern Pinball, they had, as you heard from Craig Bobby, a lot of code updates this last week. It was Thanksgiving over at Stern, and they were giving all types of code updates. One for the Avengers, code update version .94. We're getting further. We're still far from it. And this was a huge code update, Greg. They had an additional secret skill shot. They have a long list of tweaks, adjustments, more light shows, more call-outs, even more topper coding. And the topper hasn't been shipped yet. We know what it looks like, but more topper coding as well. So if you have an Avengers, make sure to update your code on that because it is a hefty one. Stranger Things, one of my favorite games, also got a code update there. now complete the cross finish line version 1.00 greg it's done woo that love i need to play the new code i do as well i just got home i miss it i need to update they added what they're calling drawings i never know how to say that word drawings drawings is there an l in there i don't know drawings so you kind of collect these throughout the game i talked to chuck work he's the aficionado on stranger things all things expert there he said think of these drawings kind of like uh because they add to the bonus they're kind of like the medals that you get in star trek ooh braun silver gold and then they they apply to your bonus you collect enough of them and things happen so that's kind of if you complete a mode you might get a certain drawing from a map remember that underground tunnel viney map on stranger things you get a drawing from that or um certain multi balls you can you can earn these drawings so that's pretty cool that's a big big system that they added for version 1.0, as well as the MXV skill shot. Do you know what those initials are? MXV. I don't. Are you a pinball nerd? So MXV is Mike Vinikour's. Oh! Nice! So this skill shot, I believe, is like a double secret skill shot. When you plunge for the regular skill shot, it hits the drop targets, and if it can hit at the velocity to get you also in the saucer to the left, that's the MXV skill shot. You get a big bonus for that. I will defend that game until the day I die. Join the club, yeah. You know when I went to your house, I passed up on buying the Turtles at that point. Behind GNR, played the shit out of GNR, behind GNR, I went back and I played your Stranger Things again. And it made me miss it so much more than what I thought it would. That's so good. I've got to own it again. Chuck Ward, he's like the sweetest man ever. He talked about coming over to help fix my telekinesis. Dude, I put another hour trying to tweak it. I want to throw it away. It's the first time I finally disabled that telekinesis diverter thing. I thought I'd never do it. Did it. Just a design flaw. He swears he can get it. I wouldn't put it past him. He's going to be going home with a shitload of swag if he can help fix that. Give him a damn new machine. Damn. You need to record it. Now, we do know the Mystery Awards on Stranger Things got an update as well. But Chuck was telling me that Mystery Award 11 still just says 11. And I don't know. You don't know if it's a placeholder. You don't think it does anything. So maybe there's more to come. I don't know. But the game is done. It's full. It's got all kinds of wizard modes in it. It's phenomenal. It's really fun. and also black knight sword of rage got a code update version 1.02 where they did some tweaks and adjustments to it and they also added that wicked wicked dj mixer uh which i haven't played around with yet but a dj makes me i don't even know how to access it not you can play the music in the track mode basically so some games it's awesome probably some games didn't make any damn sense so ninja turtles ninja turtles again update back to ninja turtles ninja turtles got an update Like what, a week prior? Okay, yeah. Two back-to-back. So, Dwight, if you're out there listening, John, anyone from Stern is out there listening. When you come out of the layer, code a ball save if it does not hit an in-lane switch when it comes out of there. I'm tired of my fucking ball hitting that wire guide and bouncing to the out lane and draining. No fault of mine. No fault of mine. So if it does not come out of that layer and hit an in lane switch, I need a ball safe. Maybe they say level better. It is level. It is level. It comes out of there in the most fucking asinine ways. It reminds me of Guardian. It moonwalks right to that left out lane. Yes. Welcome Guardians of Metallica Yeah That's what you pissed about on Guardians That's why I got rid of Guardians This is not as unfair as Guardians This I can go a little bit But that layer is still And you got Shredder That pops up You've been Borg'd Yeah You have met the wrath of Borg That's actually pretty good I'm going to give Marc Silk a run for his money. He's got his heart out, Marc Silk. All right, everybody. You heard last week that Dennis Creasel condemned singing. He's done away with it. He did compromise, so there's still that. There's still a chance. He doesn't like goats. And with a passion he fucking hates. Pinball Market Trends! Oh, man. Woo! That feels good, Grant. I couldn't be further. I love it. I'm back in the saddle. Man, going a week without that, felt like I haven't had sex in a year. It wasn't good, is what I'm saying. It wasn't good. For all of you who have not had sex in the last year, my complete and sincerest apologies. Go out and get laid. Training up this week is Avengers Infinity Quest. You want to know why, Boney? Because it got a code update. Well, not only, yeah, it got a code update. people are still buying the hell out of it but now you've got the streaming community getting behind it like it did hot wheels and new blard challenge uh-oh everybody's streaming at the avengers infinity quest they swear that the rules on this thing are are the best of the entire year i'm still trying to warm up to it hey turtles really pulled me around so we'll i'm still warming up to it but the avengers infinity quest we got still ellies on the secondary market going very high nobody can seem to keep stock of pros and premiums so it is trending up up up on the pin side top 100 right now avengers is sitting firmly at number 10 so it's top 10 pin as well on pin side how about them apples also turning up this week is metallica pro we're just talking about that what makes metallica pro on the rise because people are paying for it people are really paying astronomical prices for and in general, pricing has gone up the last couple weeks. I felt like I woke up out of a coma with the pricing on some of these pinball machines. There's a new in-box Metallica Pro right now. It's almost a WTF price, like in the mid-sixes, Greg. Brand new in-box. Do you think it's just a lot of new people to the hobby who hasn't experienced the game, or do you think enough people have had enough time away from that game that they're wanting to come back to? Because I kind of miss, I was kind of thinking about i had a guy i was talking to about a terminator uh the other day and he you know asked me if i had a metallica for trade and stuff and i was like no unfortunately not and it kind of got me thinking about metallica again you're like yeah i kind of miss it i could i could go another round with metallica no on the secondary market metallica pros the lowest i've seen them fall was here within the last couple years like 45 nope they've rised again you're not going to find a metallica pro in good condition under $5,000. Not going to happen. That is significantly more than they were brand new when they first came out. Even the vaulted editions at $56,000 I think is what they were selling, the vaulted editions when they were running them. They weren't even a vault. I think it's weird to see any Stern under $45,000. Any more, yes. It's rare. Any more, yes. But these things are still commanding $52,000, $53,000 on the secondary market and they've been played the hell out of. That's insane. I agree. I agree. One thing that's dropping a little bit, though, is trending down this week is Wizard of Oz by Jersey Jack Pinball, a game that I don't particularly think is great. Sure, it looks pretty. I know it's got all the bells and whistles. It's cool. I get it. It just doesn't shoot well. But that's not why it's trending down. I only report the facts here. Numbers do not lie. And on the secondary market, we are seeing a lid. It's not a huge drop, but it is a significant drop. Wizard of Oz is now dropping. Even the ones with the 2.0 board system and the new, like the rerun Ruby Red with the new cabinet and everything, that's the one I would want so it lines up very nicely next to my Dial Dan or next to my Guns N' Roses or Willy Wonka. That's the one you want. But even that, I've seen drop in mid-8s. Those things were selling for just the brand new prices. But they're not. I'll tell you what, I'd like to see them drop a little bit more because I'd like to get one. Well, if you can deal with a non-2.0 light board system, you can get them in the upper 6s, lower 7s now. I can't mess with that That's a whole lot of game A whole lot of Rosie A whole lot of worry A whole lot of blinking Incorrect blinking Oh nothing pisses me off More than a messed up light board issue On a Wizard of Oz Oh it's the bane of your existence And try to diagnose that Nope throw it away Back to turtles again Oh shit here we go They need to decode... Why did I talk her to buying this game for you? During a tracked mode, you've got the two flashers that go off above the ramps for training. You've got to cut those off. Decode that for tracked mode. It's blinding. It's terrible. I'm going to cut the wires on them. Throw that out there in case Dwight's still listening. I'm going to send him a list of complaints. Dwight's like, I'm coding Harry Potter right now. Leave me alone. Watch. This week, that'll pick up some coverage. Did you hear that Dwight Sullivan is coding Harry Potter? Stern has Harry Potter. You heard it here. Harry! Harry. I think if Stern did get a Harry Potter, Dwight would fight someone if he wasn't able to code that game. That's why I just assumed he would do it. I want to take him. I want him on it. He's a big monster fan. I still love Dwight Code. Dwight Code is still my favorite. Dwight Code rocks. Except for the Flashers, apparently, for you. There's three main people I love at Stern. Dwight Sullivan, Jerry Thompson, and Mike Vinikour. Okay. That's a solid lineup. That's my trifecta. Love those guys. My list is longer than that. I've got a stink list over there, too. Don't we all? You're like their ambassador, don't you, Greg? makes me want to buy a t-shirt or a trucker hat oh fuck i'll be nice i'll be nice all right holding steady this week is alien what yeah just because Greg Bone on here uh greg love alien but yeah holding steady there have been some that have dropped in prices like the the early run ones that shit's just gonna break like an early wasp those are low but the ones that the newer run ones those things that are holding up those things are high so it kind of balances itself out you got a holding steady on alien if they ever reproduce that game sell sell sell because you're gonna see it do a cactus canyon uh and that was a little foreshadowing yeah i still think they need to recreate that game like I even like the shots. It's not the sharpest shooter. But damn, man, that game is so... I can't get enough of it. I've never seen anything to immerse you in a theme before like that. How do you feel about the idea of them redoing it but making it a standard body? I don't know how it would change all the shots. If it didn't really change the shots, I think it would probably be better. Because it has that classic slow wide body feel to it. So I think it would benefit it. But at the same time, man, I don't know. I kind of like that wide body. I kind of like that it's not super fast and it's not like a rocket because that whole movie is about suspense. I mean, there's obviously some pure action sequences. Yeah, sustaining that suspense. I think that the wide body kind of helps that suspense with that game. I can see the argument. I don't know how I feel about it. I'm not a wide body fan. yeah generally you're you're not okay i think i'd have to leave one of the pins you would like to get if money wasn't an option 100 yeah i saw a guy who had two power supplies go out on his and he was like well i know to stock up on these now and i was thinking man i just wish i had the money that i just didn't have to worry about if this fucker broke let's be fair you're like dennis now you have the money you just choose not to spend it on that oh i couldn't part with it for that and i would be terrified that it would just literally something bad would break that i couldn't replace or that i didn't want to spend like a grand on to fix to sell it you're to the alien as i am to the big lebowski oh very much so very much so yeah alien alien would be one of the first pins if i if money was not the uh driving force i that would be one of the that'd be the first pin i'd probably go pick up and if you're out there with a fat stack of cash come on over to Deals of the Week. Bye, bye, bye. Deals of the Week this week. One of our buddies up here, MN Pinball, a little river action, he is selling a Rick and Morty Bloodsuckers edition right out of Minneapolis. So he's got one. This is not a Deal of the Week because this is a steal or anything. But, hey, it was built in September, late September. He's got all the packing material. Everything's good. He's got all the upgrades, shaker motor, art blades, all of that. You get the extra goodies. Game's flawless. $9,500. Buy, buy, buy! Now, some of you are going to say, well, deals of the week. That's more of a deal of the week. Fuck, that's more than it was brand new. But the going rate on a Rick and Morty is about $9,500, if not more. And this one is available now. You don't have to wait until the run of number 625 or wherever you're at. And my condolences to you for having to wait that long. this is game 214 and it's ready to go now $9,500 I think for those who want a Rick and Morty this is a deal of the week another deal of the week this week is right out of Sunbury Massachusetts Penn Cider by the name of BSTN guy is selling a black rose a valley black rose you know my love and affinity for valleys black rose great oh because it's so fun to shoot now there's some caveats here it's a deal of the week it's more than most of your black roses thirty five hundred dollars but it does have new balls and new rubbers no it's not uh there uh it's got some downsides like the mpu has been repaired the dmd has a line in it's a little fadey there uh there's a couple of plastics that have cracks why the cabinet is faded to hell that cabinet's not perfect on thirty $3,500. Why is it a deal of the week? It's because there is one very, very important thing when getting a black rose, and that's the play field. The play field on here for the price, $3,500, is very nice. If I'm buying a black rose, Greg, listener, if I'm buying a black rose, all I care about is the play field. I'll figure out the plastics. I'll figure out the cabinet. I'll figure Throughout all of this. But all of the playfields have dings. And scuffs out of that cannon. The sink ship inserts. Are always fucked up. It just never fails. Never fails. Is it hard to find an NOS play field? Yeah nearly impossible. They don't repro. So. Even if this is $3,500. Oh Bo. You don't have to pay him that. Offer $3,000. They're going to come back and say no way. you're gonna say fine 3200 cash i'll pick it up you'll get it no he'll say 34 34 other ones 3200 cash i got it you want me to pick it up today huh and boom he'll take it 30 you'd have to really like black rose though i don't think so really because like stuff don't matter i'm just saying if you were gonna take that because of the play field in preparation to restore it. Yeah, I think that's where you start. If I was buying a Black Rose, I would have no problem pulling the trigger on this one and starting with that play field. Buy, buy, buy! Buy, buy, buy. To each their own. It feels so good when I can do market trends. I love market trends. It feels even better if I can cap it off with little deals of the deal. See? What the fuck? and that is on Facebook. You can find it on Facebook. There is a deals of the WTF, Greg, for a Back to the Future, one of my grail themes. Love this. But no, Back to the Future, it's in the Dallas-Fort Worth pinball. Don't ask me why I'm part of that group. The Dallas-Fort Worth pinball for sale group on Facebook, and it's Back to the Future, and oh boy it's it's not in nice condition but it has signatures from biff uh what is his name wilson uh he's a comedian wilson christopher lloyd and marty himself michael j fox on the lockdown bar and it's been clear-coded signatures that makes it cool right that's cool does it come with authenticity no still back to the future still back to the future and it's still ten thousand dollars for three signatures on a lockdown bar would be different if it was restored it's not even restored that's the thing too it's like okay it's nice that you got all those compiled but i think that some people that don't know any better especially in this hobby over-evaluate what autographs are worth. Because they're really not worth that much. He admits to it in the comments section that he went to a show to get it done where all three of those cast members were there and he did like a $1,500 group signature thing. He even got screwed there at $1,500. That's the thing. Those autographs anymore at shows are astronomical. If you went to anything like that, you'd pull an autograph for like 50 bucks if it was a big celebrity 60. Now they're like $200 and $300 for a lot of these celebrities' autographs. But you're not going to. And it's more if they put it all in the same thing. Like there's a lot to it. But don't tell me that a busted ass Back to the Future, which is a shit machine anyway and should have never been done the way it was, is worth 10 grand with some signatures on them? No. Not at all. And I wouldn't have really brought it up here if it was due to ignorance, but it's not. They know what they're doing. They know that they sell for like two grand, if maybe a hair more, to people who just can't enjoy pinball. That's what I think. But no. And they said, don't even try to offer less. This is a firm price, 10 grand. I know what these are worth. Get out of here with that. Don't you love the people? some chick posted on Facebook and I've seen her name pop up on the for sale threads quite a bit and she was the same thing like I know what these are worth and somebody was like if you know what they're worth you know you're asking too much. No shit. I know what they're worth that's like the biggest thing. If someone comes back with I know what they're worth I've looked at eBay. I was going to say the non-pinball people that go I know what it's worth. I checked eBay. It's like you're an idiot for pricing at that and the way you're going to sell it is to get an idiot that doesn't know the price of it. Maybe you guys are made for one another. But 10K, get the fuck out of here. Well, you know, the problem is it goes back to those high dollar retails. I think that a lot of these non-pinball people, they buy these games at a ridiculous price, and then when they go to sell it, nobody else really gives a shit but pinball enthusiasts, and pinball enthusiasts know what it's actually worth, and then they have a hard time coming in losing a grand or two grand on a game that they bought. Yeah, but the Dallas Fort Worth pinball for sale page on Facebook is like a garage sale for pinball. Like, come on. Yeah. It's not like they're posting on ElitePinballMachines.com. Like, no. Yeah, it's ridiculous. He's trying to screw somebody local. Ten grand. Get out of here with that. It's halfway to a DeLorean. Oh, shit. Buy the actual car. Yeah. It's so terrible. Craig Bone. Side note. This is what happens when best friends do a podcast. Dude, I about bid on one of the original flux capacitor mechanisms they used in film on like a prop auction thing that they're doing in December. Oh, yeah. It's a prop stores auction. Out of Europe. Yeah, I'll follow it. Hey, you'll be surprised. So, again, off subject, you'd be surprised how many pinball people are prop collectors. Oh, yeah. Two. Like, I talked to a lot of them, and it was really weird because I got onto a lot of prop stuff. And then, like, pinball people are like, hey, dude, check out all my props that I've got and everything. Oh, yeah. They have The Mummy, the original, the book of the dead from 1999, Mummy, Brendan Neil Fraser. Oh. That son of a bitch is already up to, I think there's like five bids on it, 25 grand. Oh. Yeah. That's the bad thing about prop collecting. Speaking of history, though. Well, that's the way I look at it. But I think the same thing happened in the prop community that happened in pinball. It was like props were dirt cheap. Yeah, and now they went up so astronomical, and so many people who are true hobbyists are being priced out. And then the bad thing is, too, is I know a lot of really good, because of some stuff I did with a TV show. Oh, look at you. I know some really high-end Star Wars collectors. And they were talking about that because Star Wars is such a famed thing that there a lot of celebrities and there directors and there certain people who are giant star wars fans that have seemingly endless pockets that have drove up in bid and taking a lot of stuff off the market and i think that's happening in in a lot of the the older franchises ghostbusters and things like that but oh yeah dude like i i stay on top of that stuff but it is like you've got to have deep deep pockets for for prop collecting i forgot what the flux capacitor was going for i I think it was like $10,000, and it was just like the triangular tube, like the tubes that create that little triangle thing. One was complete. One didn't have one of the housings. You'd have to kind of refurb that. But I wanted it, and they were selling Marty's actual space, like his future jacket from Back to the Future 2. And it had been refurbished where it was like a cheap leather, so it was cracking and stuff, but some people refurbed it. but that thing was going for a lot of money. Well, they have the one of the – it's so stupid, but I want it. Like they have one of the original toenails from Jurassic Park T-Rex. But it's already like – it's between three and five grand already for that, and I just can't justify it. Like one of the raptor claws? A 10-inch toenail. No, I don't know if there's any original raptor claws on there. Another thing that really grabbed that I really want, man, is Eddie Murphy's Detroit Lions jacket. Oh, my God. Yes. Yes. Oh, my God, dude. I wanted it so bad. I was like, I would wear that. Yeah. Oh, dude, I love prop stuff. It's just hard to separate the money because the thing is you have to find somebody very specific. It's not like pinball machines where there's a whole lot of people. Like, you've got to find a very specific buyer to rebuy. Authenticity is a big thing. Yeah, because, and that's the thing, too, that I talk to a lot of these collectors is, you know, even coming from a reputable place, just because they said it was used in the film does not mean that it was used on screen or that you can screen match it. Maybe a photo shoot. It could have been. Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of things that you can do. So screen matching something, and especially if you've already bought it to be able to study it in enough detail to screen match it, look, you've already spent five grand on an outfit, a wardrobe, or ten grand plus. You know, so it becomes very… All from the weirds with Greg Bone. Oh, yeah, dude. Oh, I've started to… Anything that I get into like that, like I read and I talk and chat with people, it's bad. That's why the straight down the middle, in the future, coming soon, we'll drop it here. There may be some prop shows in the future. I'll tell you what, I've got enough connections that are fans of the show, people that I know that I talk to on a semi-regular basis that are big pinheads that have outstanding prop collections that I would love to get to their place. I just want to create a shrine. I'm going to start creating a shrine of Back to the Future memorabilia so that I can just push the brand new Back to the Future pin whenever it gets made, push it right into that spot. So I don't think I've ever talked about this publicly, and I still have to stay quiet on a lot of it. Really? But I worked on a project in Seattle last year. I got flown out to Seattle, and I visited a gentleman's house. Everybody Google him. You can see his collection. His name is – I mean, he's big. It don't matter. His name is Janos Kiss Lopez. Okay. And he is one of the world's premier Star Wars collectors. Not necessarily the largest, but he has got some very unique props. And the most amazing thing that I've ever seen, I mean, because I'm talking millions of dollars in props. But one of the most impressive things that I've ever seen, because it's unique, one of the kind, is when you walk into his foyer, there is the original Death Star. Like the model? The model. Wow. And it is huge. It's in a beautiful glass case. And I think that you can Google. He told us all the story behind it about how it was lost. And this is from recollection that might not be the clearest. So, like I said, I think there's an article. I think you can read the story on it. But he had done something like found it in Minneapolis or Milwaukee or something in a hardware store. They were using the damn thing as a trash can. Because where the dish is, that was missing. And so they just thrown trash and shit in. And they didn't really know what they had, but they did. And that's where he acquired it and stuff, I believe. What's the value in it now? It's priceless. The thing is priceless. And what's insane is if you were to deliver a pizza to his house, you would open the door and you'd see the fucking Death Star sitting there. So cool. Oh, dude, it was amazing. And that's honestly, it's one of those neat things. I've always been a collector my entire life. But on that same trip and that same journey, I met a couple of other collectors and some really inspiring people who love their hobby of Star Wars that just blew me away. And it's what got me to ramp up my Jurassic Park collection, comic books. It got me more into collecting. and it was nice to see their enthusiasm and I've become pretty good friends with those people. And on a pinball note, the nice thing about, and there's always drama in every hobby, but man, like you get on their page, they just don't tolerate a lot of the bullshit and the picking at people and stuff. It is truly about the hobby. Nice. Which is very, very nice and I kind of miss that. But yeah, dude, prop collecting pinheads, if you're out there, you haven't looked into it man you love film start start looking at some props and stuff it's a it's a cool cool hobby to to kind of segue into from pinball turning up this week props oh prop collected that was pinball it's back bitches market trends sorry i drug your market trends out it's probably like the longest market trend segment you've ever had oh dennis would say it wasn't he documents all of them i did it just for you dennis all right greg bone before we leave i've got another segment this segment has not been done in a while it i loved it last time we did it and nothing has been this segment worthy until this last week ladies and gentlemen i present to you for fuck's sake zach all right last for fuck's sake is me uh grabbing my mother-in-law's ass giving a little beep boop little pinch thinking it was my wife's yeah it was firm it was firm not gonna not gonna lie there uh and realizing it and dennis creasel and the rest of the audience laughed shook their heads and said for fuck's sake this time this last week we were taking a nice little vacation right And I haven't even told Greg Bone this story. I want his actual reaction live on the air. Because this is, right when it happened, I thought of Greg Bone. And I thought, I want so bad to share this with my best buddy. But I've got to refrain. Like me waiting to have sex before I was married. I wanted to wait. I wanted to save myself for you, Greg Bone. Okay, so we're on vacation. and we decide we're going to go to a restaurant, a socially distanced restaurant, and it was a nice restaurant. But before that, we had some time to kill. There is no better social distancing right now than the cinemas. I know I might get shit for going to the cinemas, right? But it truly is a ghost town at these cinemas. And, you know, I'm a big cinema buff. I want these things to stick around. So we went to the cinemas to see a movie. Now, here's what I can't wait to tell you, Greg, and to tell you, listener. I've seen a film that's probably easiest, one of the greatest films of the year. One of the funniest films that I've seen in a long time. An animated film that had some of the most dynamic animation that I've seen ever. Her story was downright incredible. The voice casting was phenomenal. This movie, Greg, was The Croods 2. Really? The fucking Croods 2. Dude, I like the first Croods. It is what it is. But The Croods, I did it just to fill time. It was an animated feature that I thought, oh man if the crudes wasn't shitty enough how about a sequel but i sit down and here's the part a little caveat here um i don't always share personal stuff but i'm not much of a drinker greg you know this not a big alcohol guy don't like it don't like the after effects when in rome i was on vacation and let's just say i was under the influence of something and I don't like drinking. I'll just say that. And it tastes like a gummy bear. But, okay, so maybe that had some... I don't think it had influence on it. For fuck's sake. It's just the greatest film ever. It's no wonder you enjoyed The Croods. It's so good, dude. It's no wonder. Oh, my God. I just can't share. Man, did you see how dynamic those mountains were? I thought to myself, if I'm getting through the crudes, I've got to be under the influence. So, no, man, it enhanced this film. Like, no other, man. It was so good. I'm telling you, I don't think it was that, though. I think it really, for some stupid reason, was that good of a film. Like, my family thought it was crazy. I was like, did you guys just experience what I just experienced? the crudes a new age get the fuck out of here and my 15 year old son was like dad are you like for real i'm like for real hey look i'm gonna i'm gonna give you this cast list ryan reynolds motherfuckers ryan reynolds you think ryan reynolds is gonna put his name behind something like this if one good ryan reynolds emma stone nicholas cage everybody nicholas cage was the main character. Catherine Keener? Cloris Leachman? Get off her! Leslie Mann? Peter Dinklage? Was a marvel in this film. Up and comer? Kelly Marie Tran? She's the one that was on episode one, Rogue One or something like that. But were any of these people carryovers from the first Crudes? Or was this like a new... I've never seen the Crudes, so I really thought this was going to be a shit movie! I now want to see the Crudes! How do you go into it thinking it's going to be bad if you never even saw the first one? Oh my gosh. I will watch this film again and I will own this film. Oh, for fuck's sake. Dude, the anime, you've got to watch it. Listen, you've got to watch it. I believe you. I like the first one. And this is from DreamWorks. It was DreamWorks. Yeah. And you can tell the evolution of their animation package, right? They use the same kind of engines for a lot of these films. the facial features and the jokes in this were perfect humor my perfect type of humor Greg I'm not even dude I'm not joking this is not for the show this film was fucking phenomenal you need to go back and watch the first one because the first one's good too it's got some witty humor it's a good film it really is the character development on this there's nothing to write home about like you're doing the facial expression film of the year for me It was that good. And there was a bunch of no-names directing it and writing it. Oh, my God. Yeah, but I mean. The colors. Oh, the colors. Speaking of colors, I've never watched Moana. And I saw Moana last night. That, the water in that was marvelous. That was a good film. Yeah. It really was. Soundtrack was good, too. Well, that's fucking insanity. Oh, my God. The different characters in this. The facial. Oh, it was just so good. But they do, because Pixar plays it safe with their characters. I think so, too. They don't contort the face in a cartoon way. They want to try to replicate. I know this is way off pinball, but it's so much fun and everything that Greg and I love. But DreamWorks, they'll contort that face to more of a cartoon-like presentation, and it works in spades. Oh, yeah, because it's still comedy. It's still animation. It was so good. I like it. And my favorite part of the entire film, as if it wasn't an orgasm enough, watching this with my eyes. My wife, this is why I married her. This is why she's the most incredible woman in my life and ever will be. Does she cry? Dude, she's a stone, man. I'm the crying ass bitch before she would ever be. No. We were watching this film and she was like, she identified Nicolas Cage. She said, is that Nick Cage? Like she fucking knows the guy. Is that Nick Cage? And I thought I would be the only nerd that would identify that. This woman, Greg, and listener knows zero, zero about film, zero about cinema. But she's such a fan of like 90s action, Keanu Reeves speed stuff, that she identified Nicholas Cage by voice. And ladies and gentlemen, the reason that I am married to her is that only my wife can identify busted old ass, overplayed Nicolas Cage, but knows nothing of the vocal sensation that is Ryan Reynolds. Thank you. Thank you. I know. I would figure you'd pick up on Ryan Reynolds before you would Nick Cage in a movie. A woman in her 30s that is just probably peaking for Ryan Reynolds. Hell, I peak for Ryan Reynolds. I peak for Ryan Reynolds. That's messed up. Ladies and gentlemen, that was for fuck's sake. Took me by surprise. Watch, watch, watch. Ha! That was episode 40 with my co-host, Greg Bone. I want to thank you, Greg, for coming on and hanging out. Usually, these conversations are done over the phone, but I think you can say, honestly, to the audience, that's kind of our conversation on a phone and in person, isn't it? Yeah. this might have been a little more tame well you just didn't think of anything else but where can people I love this part because I don't think you know where can people catch you between now and the next straight down the middle episode I don't know on the pinball show that too you'll be a regular here probably but no like can I email you somewhere what's the STTM email Greg Straight down the middle of pinballshow.gmail.com. Dot org? No, that's wrong. SDTMPinball.gmail.com. Like and subscribe to YouTube because we're changing some stuff up over there. You only live once, baby, and we're going to do what makes us happy. That's what everybody should do. No shit. Yeah, life is too short. You freaking die tomorrow. You die if you keep on messing with your radio while you're driving to work. Yeah, you know what? One more rant. Here, get it off my chest. Oh. We're late now, but okay. This can be pinball related, but not pinball related. Stop doing things because you don't feel cool. Stop doing things that are not, let's say not doing, stop not doing things because you're worried about what somebody's going to think about you. Stop. Stop. I cannot stand that beyond all else. Be you. Be true to you. And we're all nerds, so I don't think a lot of pinball people really have this problem. but there's still things that like i've ran into a lot of fucking video game nerds that think they're super fucking cool that sit around playing their consoles all goddamn day and so that like oh what really you watch the croods uh fucking too cool for the crew exactly they write it off before just because it's quote unquote it's not cool exactly so like i don't care how how nerdy of shit you're into you still a lot of times think somebody else is uncool because they're not into what you're into. Just let people live a fucking life. You've always embraced being you. That's what I love about you. Oh my god, dude. I get ridiculed. I get weird shit asked about me all the time and get nose turned up to me and stuff. But dude, I truly do what makes me happy and I do not care. I would paint, like my daughters paint my toenails a lot. But if I thought I looked fucking good with painted toenails or felt good with painted toenails, I'm going to fucking have my toenails painted and rock that and i would make fun of you because you're not the best at color coordination so you would mess it up but probably honest but i'm just saying do what makes you feel good live your life it's like you said life truly is short you hear that all the time but you i don't think a lot more than ever yeah exactly man just embrace and do what you want to and if it's not good enough for people they can eat a dick who cares yeah and display it man you collect moss display all your moss Oh, see that Super Elite Moss. Baby only gets grown once every 10 years. Exactly. Don't keep it hidden. Buy that moss. Don't hide your moss. Don't hide the moss. What are you talking about? They're getting off your chest, though. That's what I want to know. Clean up aisle nine. You can also check us out by emailing the pinballnetwork at gmail.com. What else do we got? Oh, if you want a juicy brand new pinball machine as a Christmas holiday gift, just like Miss Bone did for Mr. Greg Bone. Order from Flip N Out Pinball. Our machine showcase this week is the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Premium. It truly is a phenomenal game, so much so that I'm not getting rid of mine anytime soon. Greg and I are battling right now on TMNT scores to see who can, and I think your GEC is higher than mine. Is it really? I think you got me. Dude, but again, this show is running forever. People hate these long shows, and I've drug it out. I hate long shows. Guess what, Greg? the one dragging it out. Who cares? The moral of the story. I think that's why I like this game, though. Walking Dead spoke to me. I put up some crazy scores on Walking Dead. It just felt right for me. It was hard for other people, but it felt right for me. You were really good at that game. And that's the way Ninja Turtles is with me, man. I can control that ball. It feels good. Absolutely. Now, I'm not 100 million. I think that's a damn good score. Yeah, I was listening to Travis's podcast, and that's what he was talking about. I'll have to check mine. I've checked mine, but we'll continue battling on that. I also have one, I believe one or two Batman 66 premiums in stock. A lot of dealers are out of those. Hot Wheels is in stock. Star Wars Comic Pro in premium, believe it or not, in stock. I have prepped like a nice dealer squirrel, and you called me crazy, Greg, but I've tried to get a lot of stock in for the holiday season. So we've got things like Star Wars, the pen original, and the comic book editions already in stock, ready to ship. MMR accessories are in stock. I still have one Guardians Pro that is in stock. Who knows when they'll build that again. Avengers Pro, I believe it's coming the week of the 7th. So in a week? So you might as well get your order in now for that. JP, Jurassic Park Pro is coming in soon. Deadpools? God, that one's so hard. No. No Deadpools. That's terrible. No Deadpools. And I believe Avengers Premium. We've got some coming in here in a couple weeks, but I believe they're all accounted for from the initial big sell of that game. I still have some damn good stock, though. Yes. Good titles. Bye-bye-bye, indeed, and we'll take care of you after the sale as well. That's FlippinOutPinball.com, or email me at Zach, Z-A-C-H, at Flipp, the letter N, out, pinball.com. You can text me at 812-457-9711 or give me a call. What happened last week at the Pinball Network? We had just another pinball podcast. It was damn good. Jesse J's Pinball Adventures. Love the title. Where's the laugh track? We had the pinball. Nicely done, guys. We had the Puppet Pals episode three called The Keeper. Why am I the only one that is totally infatuated with the Puppet? Well, you are too. I know that. But the Puppet Pals, they're creating a story arc here that people aren't even aware of. They had Raymond Davidson on doing a voiceover segment. they had sammy pinballs there's so much talent in that show that it doesn't even belong in pinball that's what blows me away people but but listens wise it i'm gonna tell you it doesn't get what a lot of other shows and pinball do but because people because it's not drama well it is there's some drama in there actually there's a lot of under cover drama exactly it's very it's very well hidden it's like a cartoon he's literally like a pixar for me now there's like adult undertones and different things. That's what Puppet Pals is amazing about. I think some people don't give it a chance to really listen and find the humor and a lot of the shit that goes on. Just the talent. Production and talent is fucking the best thing I've ever seen. The mystery behind it. We don't know who does these. I don't even care who does it. It's so phenomenally done. If we've got to keep their secret and they have to stay anonymous, stay anonymous. I'm not even going to look for you because what you do is beyond me. The TV group thinks that I'm out of my mind how much I push that thing. But look, it is a treasure to me that nobody will ever be able to take away until they stop doing it. I think it's one of those things people don't feel cool. I think it's just what I did on the get off my chest. I think some people think that it's stupid because it's very theatrical. Whereas I think that if they give it a chance. It's not manly enough. Exactly. And they give it a chance and they listen to it, they'd love it. Oh, God. Embrace that inner Hamilton. I love it. The TV and streamers are on fire. it's like anytime that I tune in to Twitch I can find a TPN streamer and I love seeing it we're building that group more and more special shout out to George Fisher who leads up from Don't Panic Flip the TPN efforts over there as well as the upcoming efforts that he's really pushing for TPN this next week we get another final round man those things are great those are an automatic click gotta listen to it I don't care if I'm taking a shit in the shower in church putting headphones in and I'm listening to final round pinball podcast. I want to thank everybody from TPN for their hard work and their continued efforts in what Greg bone and I and others started to be a group effort and the most supportive open way possible. And for whatever it is right now, moving forward, it's going to be the same thing, just an open place for everybody to be involved and to work together toward furthering pinball informing and entertaining people until next week for greg bone i'm zach minnie and when you have a friend like mine you have to say for fuck's sake zach that's good and everybody always practice safe pinball and be true to yourself up until next week everybody I think the sun's setting because there's a lot of shade up in this I've got the dribble the what? I said you got the dribble quick, dribble dick dribble did I piss on myself? we're nearing our 40s there's always some dribble there's going to be some prostate stuff coming Yep .

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