# Episode 63: Pinshade Giveaway! Love Letters! Episode 4 Eric! Lots of fun!!!

**Source:** Poor Man's Pinball Podcast  
**Type:** podcast_episode  
**Published:** 2020-07-08  
**Beat:** Pinball

**URL:** https://poormanspinballpodcast.libsyn.com/episode-63-pinshade-giveaway-love-letters-episode-4-eric-lots-of-fun

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## Analysis

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast episode 63 features guest Eric Walker discussing his Jersey Jack Pinball Willy Wonka machine repair experience, a group visit to District 82 (formerly Titletown Pinball) in Wisconsin with 82+ machines, and Drew's purchase of a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Premium pinball machine. The episode covers game reviews, venue impressions, personal anecdotes, and community engagement with light sponsorship reads and giveaway announcements.

### Key Claims

- [HIGH] Jersey Jack Pinball sent Eric a free replacement monitor for his Willy Wonka machine, only requiring him to pay shipping — _Eric Walker describing his warranty experience with JJP; confirmed as update during episode_
- [HIGH] District 82 (formerly Titletown Pinball) in De Pere, Wisconsin has approximately 82 machines and maintains them in immaculate condition — _Ian describing the venue; corroborated by Drew and Eric's observations during their visit_
- [HIGH] Drew is purchasing a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Premium pinball machine and plans to sell 2-3 existing games to make room — _Drew announcing on Eric's 4th of July deck that he's buying the machine after initially keeping it secret from his wife_
- [MEDIUM] Tales from the Crypt has a similar layout to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles — _Eric mentioning Tales from the Crypt at District 82 and comparing it to TMNT; Zach (likely Sharpe) makes a joke about buying the cheaper option_
- [MEDIUM] The Machine is a vintage pinball game with a mechanical head that turns to show different faces depending on where the ball is shot — _Eric describing the game at District 82 as having a mouth and eyes you shoot into that causes a mechanical head to move_
- [MEDIUM] Ghostbusters Premium is loaded with content and features but has stigma due to designer controversy and a flipper gap issue — _Drew discussing his experience playing Ghostbusters Premium at District 82, referencing 'he who shall not be named' designer_
- [MEDIUM] Poor Man's Pinball Podcast has approximately 20,000 listeners and 40 Twitter followers — _Ian and Drew discussing podcast metrics during the episode; corrected from initial 20 Twitter followers to 40_

### Notable Quotes

> "so I'm like, oh, wait, I'll just use my tech knowledge to figure this issue out for myself... Logically, I don't think this rock's going to fucking do anything, Drew."
> — **Eric Walker**, ~15:00
> _Humorous contrast between Eric's technical troubleshooting approach vs. the hosts' tendency to use crude methods; establishes Eric's character as the more methodical one_

> "And I actually had to go on their website to register the pinball machine. And it said, hey, thank you for registering it. So I'm thinking the person who originally had it did not register it."
> — **Eric Walker**, ~23:00
> _Key detail suggesting the Willy Wonka may have had warranty already claimed or unregistered history; triggered JJP's follow-up inquiry_

> "That just happened. So just an update to this story. Eric did, in fact, get a free monitor from Jersey Jack Pinball. All he had to do was pay shipping. So well played, Jersey Jack."
> — **Ian or Drew**, ~27:30
> _Positive customer service callout for JJP; demonstrates good PR practice and builds goodwill with podcast audience_

> "I went into panic and recovery mode all at the same time... I said, look, I'm like, I told you I was trying to sell some of these games that I've been restoring. And she goes, which one are you getting rid of?"
> — **Drew**, ~45:00
> _Reveals Drew's spousal negotiation strategy for acquiring new machines; establishes the dynamic of space/number of machines as the constraint, not cost_

> "she doesn't listen to this so i can say this and i'll she'll never hear it because the chance of her listening to this is i don't know what's less than none"
> — **Drew**, ~48:00
> _Meta-commentary showing Drew believes his wife will never hear the podcast; humorous but reveals his thinking about audience reach_

> "my wife has three iterations of me it is butt face if she calls me butt face lovingly... when she calls me ass face she's a little more peeved... then she switches the fuck face that is game over"
> — **Drew**, ~50:30
> _Character-building anecdote establishing the relationship dynamic and how Drew manages spousal approval for hobby purchases; comedic timing and relatability_

> "You just threw raw beef to the wolves. Yes, exactly. You know, it's just funny. When Eric said it out loud and then Drew had a look on his face and Kathleen had a look on his face, I knew before anyone else besides Drew and Kathleen that she didn't know."
> — **Ian**, ~58:00
> _Shows Ian's ability to read social tension; establishes the nervousness of the moment when Drew's machine purchase became public_

> "I'm buying one of those. It's cheaper. Just kidding."
> — **Zach (likely Zach Sharpe)**, ~35:00
> _Joke about Tales from the Crypt being cheaper than TMNT; indicates industry knowledge of relative pricing between JJP releases_

> "that one by far is the prettiest thing i have ever seen in my life... the play field was immaculate the lighting they did was great everything they did was amazing on it"
> — **Drew**, ~68:00
> _High praise for Indiana Jones Pinball Adventure restoration/maintenance at District 82; establishes it as Drew's top machine from the venue_

> "I finally got to play shadow and their shadow was again pristine... yeah i get it man that game so much fun... two diverters that manually get shifted you have four buttons basically two on each side"
> — **Ian**, ~72:00
> _Detailed gameplay observation about Shadow's mechanical complexity; shows appreciation for dexterity-based vintage games_

### Entities

| Name | Type | Context |
|------|------|---------|
| Eric Walker | person | Guest on episode 63 (tribe member #5); owns a Jersey Jack Pinball Willy Wonka machine; works in tech; helped host the District 82 stream event |
| Drew | person | Co-host of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast; purchasing Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Premium; manages wife Kathleen's concerns about machine quantity and space; experienced player with restored machines in basement |
| Ian | person | Co-host of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast; involved in District 82 stream event; played multiple games at the venue; provides social/venue commentary |
| Barry Engler | person | Works at JVP (Jersey Jack Pinball support); provided technical troubleshooting assistance to Eric for his Willy Wonka monitor issue |
| Lloyd (LTG) | person | Runs SS Billiards; referred Eric to Barry Engler for technical support; hosts pinball events |
| Greg Bone | person | Host of 'Straight Down the Middle' podcast; shared Jurassic Park strategy tip about right-side visitor center route |
| Martin Robbins | person | Host of Head to Head and Final Round Pinball Podcast; Roller Games is listed as one of his favorites |
| Zach Sharpe | person | Makes joke about Tales from the Crypt being cheaper than TMNT; appears to be involved in the podcast community; referenced regarding potential TMNT sale |
| Jersey Jack Pinball | company | JJP; manufacturer of Willy Wonka and other premium machines; provided warranty service (free monitor + shipping) to Eric; generates community goodwill through customer service |
| District 82 | venue | Formerly known as Titletown Pinball; located in De Pere, Wisconsin; private pinball museum/event space with 82+ machines in pristine condition; hosted Poor Man's Pinball stream event; holds tournaments and private events |
| Titletown Pinball | venue | Previous name of District 82; location in De Pere, Wisconsin |
| SS Billiards | venue | Location where Eric visited with his wife for anniversary; hosts pinball machines; connection point to JVP support |
| Pinstadium Lights | product | Sponsor of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast; light show product for pinball machines; promo code POORMAN for 10% off at pinstadium.com |
| Pinshades | product | Sponsor of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast; sunglasses designed to help track the ball and improve pinball scores; available at Pinsides Marketplace or via Google; promo code 'poor man's' (with S) for 10% off |
| Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Premium | game | Stern machine; Drew is purchasing this game; layout similar to Tales from the Crypt per Eric's observation |
| Willy Wonka | game | Jersey Jack Pinball machine; owned by Eric Walker; had boot-up issues and monitor failure; registered with only 102 plays when purchased; received warranty service from JJP |
| Tales from the Crypt | game | John Borg design; located at District 82; similar layout to Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles per Eric; played during venue visit |
| Ghostbusters Premium | game | Located at District 82; loaded with content; has designer stigma and flipper gap issues; Drew played and was impressed with the premium's content density |
| Roller Games | game | Located at District 82; 80s-themed with cheesy music; one of Martin Robbins' favorites; loaded game with more depth than initially apparent |
| Indiana Jones Pinball Adventure | game | Located at District 82; drew highest praise from Drew; described as pristine with immaculate playfield; Drew's top choice if he could take one machine home |
| Shadow | game | Located at District 82; vintage machine with two manual diverters and four buttons (two per side); praised by Ian for mechanical control and playability |
| The Machine | game | Vintage pinball at District 82; features mechanical head with different faces that move based on where ball is shot (mouth, eyes); memorable mechanical innovation from era before LCDs |
| Hot Hand | game | Vintage Stern card-collection game at District 82; example of older gambling/card-themed pinball from its era |
| Cactus Jacks | game | Located at District 82; features three dancing cactuses with sunglasses; campy/cheesy appeal; 'California Raisins meets cactus' aesthetic; accessible gameplay that draws casual players |
| Poor Man's Pinball Podcast | organization | Hosted by Drew and Ian; approximately 20,000 listeners; 40 Twitter followers; episode 63 features guest Eric Walker; sponsored by Pinstadium Lights and Pinshades |

### Topics

- **Primary:** Jersey Jack Pinball customer service and warranty, District 82 venue visit and machine collection, Drew's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Premium purchase
- **Secondary:** Machine restoration and maintenance practices, Vintage pinball design and mechanical innovations, Spousal negotiation for hobby space and spending, Pinball game reviews and gameplay observations
- **Mentioned:** Podcast community and audience metrics

### Sentiment

**Positive** (0.82) — Episode is overwhelmingly positive about venues, machines, and manufacturer support. Hosts are enthusiastic about pinball experiences and appreciative of Jersey Jack's customer service. Humor is self-deprecating and friendly. Minor tensions around spousal machine purchases are resolved positively. No significant negativity or complaints.

### Signals

- **[customer_service_signal]** Jersey Jack Pinball provided warranty service (free monitor, customer only paid shipping) for secondhand machine purchased from private seller, demonstrating good customer relations and PR practice (confidence: high) — Eric's story about contacting JJP, troubleshooting with Barry Engler, and receiving replacement monitor; hosts praise JJP's approach
- **[venue_signal]** District 82 in Wisconsin operates as high-quality private pinball venue with 82+ impeccably maintained machines; hosts tournaments and private events; received strong endorsement from Poor Man's Pinball hosts (confidence: high) — Detailed descriptions of machine condition, layout variety, and hosts' enthusiasm for the visit; invitation to return; streaming event hosted
- **[product_launch]** Drew confirmed purchase of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Premium machine from Stern; plans to sell 2-3 existing games to make room (confidence: high) — Direct announcement on podcast: 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is coming home. As soon as those premiums are rolling off...'
- **[market_signal]** Laser War available for sale at $49.99 firm price; hosts indicate it will sell quickly at shows (confidence: medium) — Drew mentions game up for sale; comments about show pricing and guaranteed sales
- **[gameplay_signal]** Jurassic Park right-side visitor center strategy (easier path to visitor center) confirmed effective but doesn't improve scoring as much as expected (confidence: medium) — Drew describes getting 'a couple shots away from the visitor center like two or three times now' using Greg Bone's suggested strategy; notes lack of scoring impact
- **[design_philosophy]** Vintage machines (The Machine, Shadow, Tales from the Crypt) praised for unique mechanical features and dexterity-based gameplay; contrasted with LCD-era games on cost and reliability grounds (confidence: medium) — Eric and Ian discussing unique mechs as 'pinball magic'; recognition that complex mechs are expensive and hard to repair; preference for mechanical 'wow factor' experiences
- **[content_signal]** Poor Man's Pinball Podcast has active sponsorships from Pinstadium Lights and Pinshades with promo codes; metrics show 20,000 listeners and ~40 Twitter followers (confidence: high) — Opening segment with detailed sponsor reads and promo codes; mid-episode discussion of audience size
- **[community_signal]** Poor Man's Pinball Podcast has grown to 29 tribe members and hosts collaborative streaming events with other venues/communities (confidence: medium) — Hosts mention tribe member count; Eric identified as tribe member #5; District 82 event hosted as multi-hour stream with additional hosts (Rachel, Jordan Semro, Eric Thorn, Tom Graff, Luke K)
- **[industry_signal]** Ghostbusters Premium machine has design/reputation issues related to unnamed designer and flipper gap problems, but the premium version is considered well-loaded and worthwhile (confidence: medium) — Drew referring to designer as 'he who shall not be named'; acknowledgment of flipper gap issue; contrast between stigma and actual machine quality
- **[competitive_signal]** Jurassic Park strategy being discussed and shared across podcast community (via Greg Bone/Straight Down the Middle); players testing and evaluating its impact (confidence: medium) — Drew testing right-side visitor center strategy, finding it aids progression but not scoring; attribution to Greg Bone's podcast discussion
- **[product_concern]** Jersey Jack Pinball Willy Wonka machine had monitor failure issue (unrelated to use); potentially indicates quality control or component sourcing issue (confidence: medium) — Eric's machine experienced monitor failure after boot-up issues; required troubleshooting and replacement; suggests potential defect batch or supplier issue

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## Transcript

 Today's episode of the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast is sponsored by Pinstadium Lights. Go to pinstadium.com to get the most incredible light show for your machine. Doesn't matter the age, Pinstadiums will light it up. Enter POORMAN at checkout to save 10% off. We're also sponsored by Pinshades. Pinshades are the incredibly stylish, very, very easy to wear because they're just sunglasses and it helps you track the ball, helps you improve your score. So you can get those over at Pinsides Marketplace or just Google Pinshades like me and enter poor man's with an S to receive 10% off your order. Oh, yeah, it's time. You've waited a week or more and now it's finally here. The time has come for the sloppiest show on the internet. This week's episode of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Starring Drew and Ian. That's it, man. Game over, man. Game over. Game over. I'm gonna need someone to help me. I'm gonna need somebody's hand. Son of a bitch, give me a drink. One of a night, I just can't be me. Son of a bitch, if I drink it's me. I'm gonna drink my life away. Welcome to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, episode number 63, the sloppiest show on the internet, now in surround sound. Can you hear this shit, buttholes? Hello, hello, hello. That was me and Drew at the same time. Is that in surround? Guys, how you doing out there in podcast land? Hope everyone's doing great. Hope everyone had a great 4th of July weekend. I got completely wasted. Drew? I was right alongside you, but yeah, I was okay. We had a light show with some swords. You can check that out on the Poor Man's Pinball fan page. Just the podcast page, I think we put that on. That's ridiculous. Yep. Ian and I were playing with Sparky Swords, and it was awesome. Warning labels all up and down the sword saying, don't hold this. You know what? That whole thing. That's a fucking sword. I made that up. Oh. And you guys took me seriously. That was funny. I know. Because everyone in the video is like, oh, my God, it says don't hold it. And I'm like, are you guys serious? It's a fucking sword. Of course you hold it. Why wouldn't you hold it? I don't know. But that would be something they would do. Well, now you just ruined my story. All right. Well, we have a guest in the studio today, Drew. What do we have? I'm looking right at him. Sexy bastard. He's tall. He's sexy. He has a big willy. Eric. Episode 4, Eric. Yes, Eric Walker. Eric, welcome. Tribe member number? Five. Number five. Was it five? Yeah, he's five. Yeah, we always have to check. We have so many cool tribe members now. We don't know their numbers. His, I know. He's number five. Somewhere. Well, welcome, Eric. Hey, thanks, guys. Woo! Eric's here. We got a lot of cool stuff today we're going to talk about. Drew's a little flat today, kids. I don't know. He needs to start drinking or something. I'm drinking. I haven't drank. This might actually be a good one. This is one of the first episodes in a while. I came here after I had a few drinks. I haven't done that in a while. Oh, so you started. Oh, yeah. Drew Zip is in full form. Don't worry about that. Flat? No, never. You just wait. I'm just getting started. He's just getting started, kids. All right. So what are you drinking today, speaking of getting started? Drew, why don't you start? No, Eric, why don't you start us off? What do you got, bud? I'm doing a rum and coke with some, oh, God, what is that called again? Appleton Estate rum. Appleton Estate rum, yeah. Delicious. It's really good. Yeah, it's good shit. It's good shit. Drew, what do you got? Screwball. Screwball, like usual. I'm drinking water and Red Bull because my body hates me right now. He had a particularly long weekend because I did drive him home on Saturday night, and it was a fun drive. nothing like crazy zany happened there's not a cool story there but he was he was just in rare form yeah it happens sometimes it happens i was on rare form i was in rare form uh thursday night too i had a friend over uh in the bar and that didn't end until three in the morning in my basement of just drinking and getting really crazy drinks were spilt it got really sloppy and then i hated myself friday and then saturday was at eric's house he was gracious enough to host the fourth of july party just some intimate friends and doing intimate things and yep might have uh taken a advantage of some alcohol then too so and then that alcohol took advantage of me god damn it all right anyway okay anyways we'll get into some stuff today we got some pinball news there's some personal news there's some love letters coming up oh it's a love letter day it's a love letter day and uh we gotta probably initiate a tribe member we haven't done that in a while And we have our giveaway, our pin shade giveaway. So for the people that followed us on Twitter, we're going to be giving one lucky follower a pair of pin shades. How many Twitter followers have we amassed? Oh, it's close to 20. Woo-hoo! Wow. Wait, wait, wait. We have, wait, I'm disappointed now. We have 29 tribe members. Twitter's for the young kids. And only 20 Twitter followers. Do we look like Kardashians? We're not Kardashians. No, that's true. We fucking dock pinball. I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. The smallest niche hobby in the world. Yeah. And here we are. Barely on Twitch, barely on Twitter, but here we are. We're doing them both. Living the dream. All right. All right. So up first, we have Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, Personal Pinball News. Eric, you're the guest. We are going to start with you today. You got a particular piece about your Willy Wonka, right? Yeah. Yeah, tell us all about that, man. It's kind of sad, but it's got a happy ending, I think. It's got an ending that hopefully will turn into a happy ending. Exactly. He's waiting for the happy ending. I'm waiting for it, yes. 40 followers, by the way, on our Twitter. Oh, see, that's way better than you thought. We did good. And way worse than everybody else. We did. Well, you know, I guess in the last two weeks, it's pretty damn good. All right, so go ahead. Sorry, Eric, go ahead. No, no, that's all fine. So yeah, I had my Willy Wonka. I got it in January, and I've had some issues with it, mainly with it turning on. It would just not boot up correctly. I fixed that. Then recently, I had an issue with my monitor where the big screen monitor would just not turn on, period. But the game would load just fine. You can still flip. You can see all the call-outs, sound going, lights are still there, everything's fine, just nothing on the display. And I showed Drew and Ian this while we were out at my place, and they're like, yeah, something's wrong there. Clearly. We used our detective skills and said something's not working right. So I got a hold of the gentleman who runs SS Billiards, Lloyd, I believe his name is. LTG. LTG. Shout out, LTG. He is a fantastic guy. In fact, I've been there with my wife during our anniversary, our first year anniversary. We went to play pinball at his place. Sounds romantic. It was awesome. Yes, we definitely enjoyed that place. So I called, I contacted him, and he says, yeah, contact this gentleman by the name of Barry Engler, who works at JVP. So I contacted him, and he told me, well, try this and this. And I'm a tech guy. I deal with computers on a daily basis while at work, and I have an understanding of what to do in the tech field when something's happened, like troubleshooting. He's not like us. He doesn't hit it with rocks. He actually uses real logic. I use logic and reasoning and I have theories. Logically, I don't think this rock's going to fucking do anything, Drew. Anyway, go ahead. So I thought right away, I was like, oh, wait, I'll just use my tech knowledge to figure this issue out for myself. Not a word. Not a word? Tech knowledge? Technology? Knowledge. Oh, it's tech knowledge. Tech space knowledge. Yeah, so I was thinking about just using one of my monitors to hook up to the actual pinball machine. But instead, I wanted to contact Barry first just to see if that was okay to do that. I see no problem wrong with it, but I wanted to be sure. I contacted Barry. He says, yeah, do that. And I was like, oh, son of a bitch. I knew I was supposed to do that. So I did that. Worked like a charm. It booted up on my personal monitor. No problem. So I'm like, okay, so I know it's a bad monitor now. So I called him back. He's like, yeah, you have a bad monitor. I gave him all my information. And fingers crossed, I will be getting a new monitor in the mail. I just have to swap it out with the, you know, I give him the old monitor. they give you the new monitor but get to the scandalous part the last email so this is where it gets a little twist yep so i get an email later saying from this guy named steve i no last name just steve saying hey um eric where did you buy this jpp from this willy wonka from and we just want to know if it's from a distributor or from a private seller um or from the back of someone's truck. Exactly, right? And I'm kind of freaking out. I'm like, oh shit, should I know what's going to happen here? So I responded back to him. I was completely honest. I said it was from a gentleman that I met on Pinside who was selling it. I got it from Florida. What his name was. Not the full name, just the first name. And just saying it was a private seller. It wasn't through a distributor or anything like that. It only had like 102 plays, I think you mentioned. Um, so I haven't heard anything back from him since that, but I'm hoping that I will be able to get a, hopefully a free monitor. If not, I will have to pay it. It's worth the price in my opinion, just in case. But, you know, I mean, I just. Email us at poor man's pinball at gmail.com. Let us know if you think Eric's going to get his replacement monitor. I think he will. I think he will too. They said they were going to send it out already. I think they just probably do that follow up just for their records. You know, they're probably keeping track of warranty stuff. Exactly. And I actually had to go on their website to register the pinball machine. And it said, hey, thank you for registering it. So I'm thinking the person who originally had it did not register it. No, there's lots of stories out there. People call in on games that are like 10 years old, 12 years old from Stern. Okay. And you call them up, you have a problem, and if the part's cheap enough, they're like, whatever, here, we're just going to send you the part. Okay. And obviously those games aren't under warranty. Yeah. So, you know, it's just good PR. Because then you're going to come on the Poor Man's Pinball podcast, which has 20,000 listeners, and you're going to say, hey, they're sending us a monitor. That just happened. So just an update to this story. Eric did, in fact, get a free monitor from Jersey Jack Pinball. All he had to do was pay shipping. So well played, Jersey Jack. That's great customer service. That's why we love you. keep up the great work thank you so much eric is very appreciative and i think everyone that listens to this kind of story uh definitely gives it a thumbs up so thank you again jjp good pr good job good job jjp and i'm actually looking into maybe getting another jpp so if they decide if they give me a good deal on this i may be purchasing more from them so this is but we don't know what their next game is it's a big secret yeah nobody knows Yeah, the innovation is out there. We just don't know what it is. It could be anything. It could be anything. Like My Little Pony? Did you hear that about Stern? They were making that joke. Keith Elwin's next game, My Little Pony. Orbital Elvers podcast. Yeah, that was it. Orby, that was hilarious. He kept talking about how my favorite game was going to be this My Little Pony. So he's not too far off. Yeah, it's pretty good. I like it. The colors alone would make that an amazing machine. That art would pop. That art would just so pop. That's going to look good next year, Oktoberfest year. Yeah, the My Little Pony. Oktoberfest and My Little Pony. What a lineup. Peanut butter and jelly, baby. That would be the greatest lineup of all time. The lineup around the block. What do you got? You got any pinball news, Ian? Yeah, dude. We all have the most incredible pinball news. We were all over at District 82, formerly known as Titletown Pinball. Titletown, Titletown, Titletown. So cool. So for those of you who don't know, Titletown Pinball, now District 82, is located in De Pere, Wisconsin, which is a little up north. It's closer to Green Bay, Wisconsin. And what is wonderful and beautiful about this is it is a pinball nerd's paradise. They hold private events. They hold tournaments. It's not really open to the public. They may have some free play once a week or so. I'm pretty sure they open it up at least to some people. Yeah, Friday nights seems to be their free play kind of thing. But for the most part, I have never been to a, I'll just say it's a public location, but it's not a public location, but it is a public location, and I've never seen such immaculate machines. That was the amazing thing about it. You walk in there, and, like, every machine looks really great. I mean, there's a lot of places that have machines. It's hard to maintain 10 machines, 12 machines, 20. They have, what, 90, I think. Well, at the time, they said 82. That's what they called it, District 82. Drew and I hosted a stream. It was a lot of fun. We had so much fun doing that. We did about five hours. I think it went another freaking four or five hours after that. It went until 8 p.m. We started around noon. Yeah. It was long. At 5 o'clock, we're like, we got wives, we got kids, we got to get back. We're still married. Yes. We leave later than 5. We will not be married anymore. My wife sent me a loving text at about 4 o'clock, and she said, if you come home shit-faced, I'm going to be pissed. And you know what was funny about that? We got there, and she was shit-faced. True story. That's marriage, baby. But Eric, who was helping out, Eric was there. He drove us there, and he helped us host a bit. But he got to spend pretty much all day playing these amazing pinball machines. Absolutely. Eric, why don't you give us a rundown of three of the games that you had the most fun with? Oh, gosh. There's so many. I'd say one of the top ones I liked, and I have not played this one before, was Tales from the Crypt. Tales from the Crypt? I like that a lot. A John Borg special. And from what I heard, it's similar layout to the Ninja Turtles. That's what I'm saying. It is. Sorry, Zach. I'm buying one of those. It's cheaper. Just kidding. we love flipping out pinball i'm getting a turtle's premium so if that's the case the turtles may be something i might be looking into i mean it's a fun layout exactly it was so fun it was nice um i also liked uh and this is a one that i've played before but this one was so nicely done and very well um kept up was the no good gophers no good gophers i did like that a lot that was really fun um also um monopoly that spinner sound and no good gophers is very underrated i just love that ramp when you go up there just that is that is so freaking cool i love that just like the different mechs in it i mean you don't see that and it's just so cool and there is a one game that i forgot to even mention it to you guys there is a game called i think it's called the machine yes where yeah so it's like you put your you flip your ball into like a certain area in the field like into like the mouth or the eyes and then it'll drain out and then the thing will actually turn to the next face yes and i'm like that is i don't know what it is but just to me that was just so freaking cool well that was the i mean that was when they were really pushing stuff with mechs and mechanical stuff because they you know they didn't have the lcds and stuff so it's it's they had to think of different ideas yeah and that's what people keep pushing for but that stuff's expensive. And a lot of those mechs, they tend to break. Oh, sure. And you can't necessarily get a lot of parts for all that stuff. So it is what it is. But yeah, some of those games, that's the pinball magic that's talked about all the time. I like those different mechs that you don't see in all the different games. It's just so cool to see. I mean, just the uniqueness of how each game is and how they all play different. A lot of them play similar, and some are great. but i like the unique ones that are just like that just the wow factor like oh no that was freaking cool to see that happen you know like that was so cool when it's unexpected like that you're like dude seriously that's awesome yeah very cool uh george you uh have a top three list on out of those games uh what was we we we played so many games i wish we could have played more though that was the problem we didn't play all of them that's for sure we were hosting and we were having a good time and then at one point ian's just gone i'm like what's he doing he's like yeah i took a break i'm just playing games yeah so he was just gone which was fine because this thing was going it was it was basically four guys and they each had challenges it was pin golf so you know each game as a whole and uh and we had other hosts there helping us so yeah then when i realized that i'm like oh shit let's go play some freaking games the one the one uh that i've i've wanted for a while and i never saw in the wild was the ghostbusters premium okay and that thing i think it's because of he who shall not be named the designer of it you know why they're they'll probably never fault it you know there's all this like stigma behind it and and the flipper gap of course but that game truly is loaded yeah i mean the ghostbusters pro is a is a great shooting game and one that's on my short list, I didn't realize how much shit was in that premium. I mean, that premium is jam-packed. It looks like the fucking Ghostbusters world, and it is super cool. And it has a ramp that goes up and goes all the way down and back up again No it just really cool So that one stood out And then there was that Martin Robbins from Head to Head and now Final Round Pinball Podcast, one of his favorites, Roller Games. I played it. Ian said, hey, Drew, check out Roller Games. And I'm like, okay, whatever. You look at it and you don't think much of it, and then you hear it light up and you just hear these cheesy, cheesy 80s sounds. and music and music and then you make a few shots and you're like now i get it it's a great game because you know we talk about laser war and how cheesy that is that's the same era the same style it's it was there's more to it oh laser war oh very much so so it's a loaded game so roller game stood out and then uh you know they had some older games there that were cool that one that they played in the in one of the holes was the um what was that card game you had to collect all the cards yeah i'm not sure uh it was the older no it was an old stern game whole 10 yeah something i've seen that someone's gonna know what it's you basically collect the cards um hot hand hot hand yeah is that right that might be right um you know just just a cool example of using the cards because back in the day there were a lot of like card games and gambling games and and and stuff of that nature so very very cool but but everything there was just neat i mean and everything was in great shape it was hot hand ah see i got it um so yeah i mean there wasn't a game there that i was like oh you know why do they have this i mean they all belong there they were all awesome i will say this my top three real quick uh the indiana jones pinball adventure was the prettiest thing i have ever seen in my life they were kidding when they said that it looked nice i bet you it's never i bet you it looked nicer there than any new one like off the assembly line i've played a few in the wild and yeah that one by far is the way it flipped the way it you know the shots the it just the play field was immaculate the lighting they did was great everything they did was amazing on it um yeah by far the best i really really liked that one a lot i finally got to play shadow and their shadow was again pristine it was so pretty it was so pretty and yeah i get it man that game so much fun yeah there's two diverters that manually get shifted you have four buttons basically two on each side and that level of control alone i just i was addicted i wanted to play way more are there any of those games that you'd want to have in your basement because i know your space is so limited yeah yeah that's tough um indiana jones probably well yeah oh out of there his yes yeah you money was no yeah yeah you could pick one or two and put them down here yeah if i could grab one from his lineup it would be that indiana jones without a doubt without a doubt okay it was just the prettiest thing i've ever seen um they did have a circus voltaire i did not play that one but i will have to say my third i'll say this is my third third was really roller games but i will say since we talked about that my third was cactus jacks with the three cactuses oh my god that's right oh so much fun cactus jacks was a blast to play i had so much fun playing cactus jacks that game like i said as far as like pinball goes yeah i get it it might not be a deep rule set or whatever but the campiness and cheesiness and a little dancing cacti i mean cacti cacti yeah the cacti the cacti guys holy shit that it's like the california raisins and cactus you know they got the sunglasses on and they're dancing and you're like oh my god This is cool. I get it. Yeah, totally. Totally. Cactus Jacks, by far, two thumbs up. Poor men love it. Because imagine someone coming in your basement, right, and you have all these cool games, and then you have Cactus Jacks. People are going to go play that. They will play it. Yeah. They will play it. That's one of those games that people gravitate to. They may walk past Laser War to play Cactus Jacks. I can't imagine why. Crazy. Have you seen this Laser War? Crazy. By the way, it's up for sale for $49.99. I just want to throw that out there. It's not an oboe either. That's firm. $49.99. Don't worry. The first show we take it at, it's going to get sold. Guaranteed. People are going to want it. Well, the show price might be $48.99. Special show price. We'll see. We'll see. We're still losing like $3,000. Yeah, I know. We put like $8,000 into it. Kidding, kidding. God, everyone's so serious out there. So serious. but yeah no tear you cactus jacks man super cool yeah cactus jacks so that was our thing but no i would have to say thank you everybody over there at uh minnesota fox cities pinball eric thorn uh tom graff yep luke k and who is the other rachel was killing it oh rachel was helping us on the stream rachel was amazing jordan was helping us um and i think he's from jordan semro yeah i think as his name. So those four guys were playing. We just had so much fun. Everyone was so nice. They were so welcoming. And they invited us back. And they invited us back. We got a little drunk and they invited us back. Yeah, they said we were the element they were missing. And I was like, oh, you just were missing a couple of jackasses. A couple of drunk jackasses. So, man, I gotta tell you, probably one of the coolest pinball experiences I've ever had. And I can't wait to come back and just spend a good two or three hours just playing some of the games again yes we need to spend i need to get reacquainted with that indiana jones baby cool man all right so drew personal news yeah so fourth of july i'm gonna set the scene for you we're sitting on eric's deck it's it's three couples we are we're sitting on the deck what we're talking about we're we're just talking you know random shit and out of nowhere eric said hey something about teenage mutant ninja turtles the Are you buying it? And my wife shot me the dagger eyes. My wife had no idea that I'm buying this machine, right? So all of a sudden. Hold on, Drew. I knew it was bad. Because Drew was like, honey, you know how much I loved it growing up. And I was like, oh, that is the worst. You're going to play the nostalgic card? I went into panic and recovery mode all at the same time. So I pulled the panic away. Drew is not going to see the 5th of July, kids. I pulled the panic away. And I'm like, okay, got to get in recovery mode. I said, look, I'm like, I told you I was trying to sell some of these games that I've been restoring. And she goes, which one are you getting rid of? And I'm like, well, I'm putting like two or three up for sale. So at least, you know, one or two of them are going to be gone. and see the cool thing about my wife is she just she doesn't care so much about the money as much as she cares about the space and how many i have so if i tell her i'm selling one and i sell a game that's worth twelve hundred dollars and then i buy a game for seven thousand dollars or more she's like okay as long as you get rid of that one then another one can come in i'm like yes and she doesn't listen to this so i can say this and i'll she'll never hear it because the chance of her listening to this is i don't know what's less than none that shit was that was funny oh my god but anyways so at first i'm i'm a little i'll just say peeved with eric but then i shortly realized wait a minute hang on then it actually turned around i was like oh eric you pulled the band-aid off this is actually cool because now she knows and she was smiling and she so my wife i think i've said this once before on the podcast my wife has three iterations of me it is butt face if she calls me butt face lovingly no no this is this is true she'll she'll say she'll call me butt face that's just like uh uh what's the word term of endearment yeah term of endearment right when she calls me ass face she's a little more peeved but it's still like fun and and playful then she switches the fuck face that is game over and this is this is all true i'm not making up any of this so like normally it's just like hey what's up butt face and that's the term of endearment and you know i'm in the clear and i think she said ass face which means i'm still in to clear she's just annoyed it's like a warning yeah she's always annoyed with me so that's just normal three steps away from fuck exactly so as long as i don't hear fuck face i can do whatever i want as soon as i hear fuck face i'm running as fast as my fat ass can go because i'm done so there you go so yeah so eric it turned into a blessing in disguise as they say you're welcome yeah eric pulled off the band-aid and uh so now i can officially say zach you're gonna be happy because you're going to be getting a big fat check from me. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is coming home. As soon as those premiums are rolling off, that's me with my drum roll. It's a shitty drum roll, but that game's coming home. So I'm excited. Yeah, I remember saying that, and then Ian looks at me, and he tells me, he's like, she doesn't know. And I was like, oh, so bad. Such a tense moment. Because I'm like, this is not good, because not only is Kathleen there, is my wife, Triona, there. And if Triona will be on her side and take her side and be like, nope, I agree with Kathleen that this is a good – it could have been bad. They could have been real – They're pack hunting like velociraptors. That's what I was – That's really bad. That's what I was thinking, like, oh, God, this is not good. You just threw raw beef to the wolves. Yes, exactly. You know, it's just funny. When Eric said it out loud and then Drew had a look on his face and Kathleen had a look on his face, I knew before anyone else besides Drew and Kathleen that she didn't know. I didn't know she didn't know beforehand. I didn't know that. Okay. No, I just read the moment really quick because I know Drew got real quiet and Drew clammed up pretty good. And I was like, okay, well, hey, Eric, guess what? I don't think she knew, dude. It's always such a sensitive moment because it's like, I'm going to do it anyways. Everyone knows I'm going to do it. she's gonna get mad at me this happens but if i can if i can have no that's why i was really thankful at the end because yeah if i get moments like that where i can insert it no pun intended or pun um you guys know what episode you're listening yeah you know what show this is then uh you know then i'm like okay cool i'm in because you know it's you gotta finesse them because it's like you know like i said she doesn't even care necessarily how much they cost it's just It's like, oh, you're bringing another paperweight into the house? You know, that's all it is with her. Just buy a bigger house, Drew. Yeah, see, and that's the thing. And she keeps telling me that, and then I'm like, but then I won't have money for these games. It's a catch-22, you know? I'm kind of stuck. So I've got to work with the space I have, and I think I'm doing pretty well with that. Oh, yeah. You cannot move in a house. No, no. You can't move in that room at all. It just falls, and that's it. Meteor's in the garage now, so that helps. Oh, okay. until I'm ready to bring that one back in. And then Ian dumps off laser war in my house, and then I'm like, honey, we're using the bedroom, but not for that, for pinball. For laser war. So anyways, that was my purse. Oh, I got one more piece. So Greg Bone on Straight Down the Middle, hats off to him. He was talking about a strategy on Jurassic Park to go up the right side of the map to get to the visitor center because it's easier. No shit. I got a couple shots away from the visitor center like two or three times now nice good job Greg Bone it didn't help my score any which I was like what the fuck it's progressing though no it is so I got to the raptor paddock three times now those raptors are fast as shit I can't fight them off they're kicking my ass I get to the raptor paddock it's just like my wife and they just claw my eyeballs out and I'm done game over that's it okay let's go news news real news that not a shitty news anymore pinball news yeah yeah yeah all right so pinball news not a lot going on not a lot so a lot we know hot wheels is out right uh they're starting to finish those up and start shipping those out so we're starting to see a few people unbox hot wheels yep um a lot of a lot of positive a lot of thumbs up people are excited about this uh the mod couple is going to town on these american pinball mods have you seen those by chance no i have not um so they have they released like four or five different things already and uh they still got more in the hopper so they have um so for like the pop bumper caps they have actual tires that go on there which i thought were really cool um they have don't they have like tire they're like plastics these are like yeah yeah that line tires actually have like the disc brakes in them oh that's cool oh very detailed yeah and then they had uh i think where the pole is that the car drives around that spins oh they have a stack of tires around that pole now they have a cool blimp that has a hot wheels logo on it um and they have a uh an orange gorilla which I assume is part of the game, and they actually dedicated it to LTG. So on his ass it says LTG. And they're going to do that more with their mods. They're going to give thank yous to some of the pinball people out there that help out. Can I give American Pinball an honorary Twippy? That's not a category. You can do that? Yeah. It's my show. We can do whatever the fuck we want. Have you listened to eight seconds of this show? most surprising game of the year I mean that game some people might say oh you're ripping on whatever no it's a compliment I mean I don't think people were expecting that yeah exactly people have been you know poo-pooing on some of the stuff as they've been growing as a company and we've talked about it Kaneda we're not Win Schilling but sorry too soon But, you know, but very surprising. And now you're saying all these cool mods are coming out, the mod companies coming out. The mod couple. Well, yeah. I mean, they're coming out and they're making these cool mods. I mean, it's just awesome. That's all. So that's my honorary trophy. There we go. All right. So that is... The mod couple. The mod couple. All right. So AP. AP. Awesome. Awesome job on Hot Wheels. Great job, guys. The mod couple. If you haven't seen it, you can go on the Mod Couples website and look at these amazing Hot Wheel mods. Otherwise, there is a threat on pin side. So either way. So let's shift gears to Stern a little bit. Stern. What's going on at Stern? Well, just the Stern showdown. We've been doing it in the COVID. It's been fun. Ian and I had our picks. Yep. Lord of the Rings for the win. I'm still in the race. So we are in the final four. Drew's upset that he's not in the final four. I am in the final four. Here's what happened. Make Jurassic Park. To win it. Fucking relax. I'm just saying, you lost. Jesus Christ. I won. You owe me money. All right, go ahead, Drew. Heavy sigh. He's so testy today, kids. I am. I'm angry and drunk and sad. I don't know if I can break you guys up here. Why are you so angry? I'm not. Lord of the Rings versus Metallica and ACDC versus Maiden to get to the finals. Now, when I picked this, I had Lord of the Rings, JP, Simpsons Pinball Party, and Maiden in the final four. So I was close because Simpsons, ACDC squeaked them out by just a little bit. Maiden's in there. That's cool. Metallica is in there with an asterisk. So I would have had three of the four in there. I don't know Ian's gonna be like Drew you're just a sore loser what the fuck I didn't say anything I can see your face I've known you for a hundred years you're backbiting a little bit whatever so anyways so what do you think so Ian had Lord of the Rings did you have Maiden in there or Deadpool it was Maiden vs Deadpool so Ian has one horse in the race I have two horses in the race but again I wasn't going for what I thought everyone was going to pick. I was trying to have fun with it. But Drew, Mr. Serious Pants over here, just picks all the good ones. And now he wants to pat himself on the back. Well, I have a good handle on what people like. Yeah, but that wasn't the game. I have my pulse on the people. God damn it. And a pulse in my pants. Doesn't matter. Lord of the Rings is going to win. They are going to win. I will win this. This whole thing, Ian said Lord of the Rings. I said Jurassic Park. Well, Jurassic Park's out. Out. So do we think it's going to be Lord of the Rings versus Maiden, probably? Maiden's going to beat ACDC, right? Yeah, it should. Okay. Well, I don't know. Wait, I think it already did. Did it? No, I pulled this from the newest one. Lord of the Rings is beating Metallica right now by a couple percent. It beat it. Okay. So I don't know. We don't know yet. So Lord of the Rings is in the final. Okay. So Lord of the Rings, and it's going to be either ACDC or Maiden. So we think it's going to be Lord of the Rings versus Maiden, and you think Lord of the Rings is going to win. You don't think the Maiden fans are going to come out? Lord of the Rings fans. I don't think so. Maiden's got a pretty big... Maiden made it all this way. Maiden? Hang on. All right, you picked Maiden, right? So that's your horse? Maiden's my horse, yeah. Does Maiden have as many fans as Metallica, though? Well, see, here's the thing. Metallica didn't win that. Thank you, Eric. This is true, but Metallica did not beat Lord of the Rings, no. It beat Jurassic Park because it got posted to that fan page, and then the fan page flooded it. Just flooded it, okay. They had, I think it was something like 9,500 votes, okay, for those two. 4,000 of those votes came in one day, all from the fan page. So, like, Jurassic Park was winning by, like, 10% or 12%, and then, like, within a day it was just over. Gotcha. That's the asterisk. So Ian's going to win. Ah, Ian's not winning shit. Okay, on to... Yeah, that's it. We're just going to end it there. That's the end of our podcast forever. It's been fun. Yeah. It was a good ride. It's been a good run. 63 episodes. Go fuck yourselves. JJP. So they posted a picture Their Hemisphere Amusements from Illinois was picking up games from their new facility in Outgrow Village So my only question about it. So it's very cool. So it has a picture on there. Stopped by yesterday to pick up pins. They've been making their way to happy customers. This is on Facebook. Their Facebook page, very cool. So were those games, do you think, that were manufactured there? Are they up and running? Or were those just games they had there? Like shipped over from Jersey? Well, yeah. Yeah, because they obviously had stock. Some stock had to come with them, I'm sure. They did post pictures a while ago with Wonka being made there in the facility. You think they're up and running in their new facility? Oh, yeah. There's pictures already up there. So why do we think they're not tooling up for their next game? I mean, I'm sure they are. You want my two cents? I want our non-professional manufacturing two cents because none of us do anything close to manufacturing. I want to know because you guys are the experts. Oh. All right. I think Lord of the Rings is going to win. And that's why we love this podcast. Okay. Eric, you were saying? Oh, we're so ridiculous. I think when the whole, like, innovation thing came out right after they released Turtles. Yep, like that day. That day. I mean, that was kind of like a sign of like, you know, we got something big coming up, but they won't, you know, they won't. But I'm talking about reality. Yes. That's PR, that's marketing. Correct. What is really happening. And that's what I think also is what they're missing as well. They're missing the marketing. That particular piece took them like 14 seconds to make, honestly. I honestly don't think they have marketing for that game right now. Whatever that game is. Ken Cromwell, we love you. We know you have some marketing for it. That's my personal opinion. Not only that, but I also think that they don't have the parts there all as well. And I honestly believe when I heard their JVP's podcast, they did say that when they release the game, they want to release the game right after or very, very shortly after they announce the game. So they want to – because they don't want – with JVP, I mean Pirates. But you're not answering the question. Are they making the game now? No. Are they tooled up and ready to go? No, they're not. They're not making the game now. Honestly, I really don't think they are. Ken Cromwell, what do you say? I mean, Ian Haberman, what do you say? They're not making the game now. How long do we think it's going to be? Fall. It'll be fall. So you think we're not going to hear anything from them until September? October. October. Yeah. And then they're going to make it, or they're going to announce it, and then they'll hopefully be shipping within a couple weeks. Yeah. Okay. They just moved to a brand new facility, too, not two and a couple months ago. I mean, I don't think that they're capable of doing that so fast. I'm just saying, though, this is interesting. Not only that, but they have to train a whole new staff. Exactly. No, that was the biggest thing. That's very true. Because they need them. There's no way. They're training them all in Wonka right now just to get them all situated. Like, this goes here, this goes here. This is how you make pinball. Pinball's hard. This is a ramp. and they even said on the podcast they're hiring people too if you're interested in working in pinball joint you know email them you know so they're looking for employees too so they're and i would love to work for them i'd be like yeah ken i want to sign up and then he's like all right sweet well these garbages need emptying and uh these solder bins need to be dumped and uh yeah we need more solder melted and uh you're just gonna be our solder bitch i'd be like oh Ken Cromwell email supportmanspinballpodcasts at gmail.com how much does solder bitch pay that's a good point it pays me enough I'll do it I don't care no I'm serious can you do that remote I would do anything in the pinball industry if it paid me what I make now but they won't because they'll be like tighten the screw and you're not going to make that much money so whatever whatever What a downer, Drew. I know. I just ruined the podcast. Flip N Out Pinball. You want a new Stern? Boom, we have you covered. You want a new Chicago Gaming Company remake? Boom, we have you covered. You want a brand new Shiny from JJP? Guess what? Boom, we have you covered again. P3 Multimorphic? We can do that, too. We got mods, shaker motors, even some used pinball inventory. Flip N Out Pinball also sells the Stair Climbing Escalera Hand Truck. Email Zach at FlipinOutPinball or call or text 812-457-9711. Zach at FlipinOutPinball. Flip, letter N, OutPinball. What else? Any other news? Anything else going on this week? Kaneda got kicked off. You want to talk about Kaneda? Let's talk about that a little bit. I got a couple of serious comments and a couple of fun comments. Mostly fun comments. uh we had chris on our podcast a few weeks ago and he was very very uh gracious he was very kind and i thought he would he did a great job and and um i really enjoyed his podcast um it's one reason why i'm podcasting now is because of his show um those disagreements i had when i listened to his podcast were exactly the fuel we needed to start our own podcast so we can be like hey listen I don't think he was right. I think the American pinball does know how to make a pinball machine or two. So for that, I will miss him because he does know how to stir the, I wouldn't say controversy, but I will say he does know how to spark debate very well. And I will miss him. And the circumstances, now I could comment on them, but I don't know everything. All I hear is rumor and conjecture, and I'm just going to let that be. But I will say that I will miss it. It was my favorite pinball podcast. So it sucks. He did a really good job of getting the information out there. I mean, he had information. He laid it out in such a way. It was always just very entertaining. I mean, he's one guy talking into a mic. I mean, Ian and I know sometimes this is difficult with Ian and I doing this. I couldn't imagine doing this by myself. I mean, it would just be 100% of Drew musings drunk by himself. That would be, well, I think that'd be awesome, but you guys would think it was awful. So, you know, that in itself is a talent and, you know, love him or hate him, you know, and there's a lot of people on both sides. He literally is, we can say it, he's the most polarizing person in pinball, period. but he's also a three-time Twippy Award winner, and people love listening to him. So for what he did for the hobby, I think it's great, and I have respect for him for that. Any other news? Not much. Anything stick out? No, no. We got some games shipping. It's cool that they're making games and shipping them, right? Because some states, they're talking about potentially locking down again. And, you know, I keep thinking about that. What happens if, you know, if Illinois becomes one of those states where they got to lock it down again? Guess what happens to pinball? You know, we get shut out again. So I better pay Zach many for my premium. Yeah, I was going to say you may not be getting that. Well, first I got to ask him, I'm not paying until you get it in your hands, Zach, because I want it in my house. But, you know what I mean? Because, like, they're in full-scale production right now at Stern for sure. They've said so. And they have. They've got a bunch of pros out. They're making the LEs right now. The LEs might be done. They're going to start working on the premiums pretty soon. But I'm just a little nervous that, you know, who knows what's going to happen in the next month or so. I mean, obviously they're taking the necessary precautions with everyone working there, so that's always a good sign. But, no, you're absolutely right. The whole state just locks down. Drew doesn't care how many people get the COVID. He wants his pinball, God damn it. Give me my Twittles. Yes. You guys have a little plaque. 14 people died in the making of this tournament. Too soon? If it's less than 10, I'll be okay. Oh, man. What is happening with this podcast? We are becoming terrible human beings. Oh, I thought that was funny. Fuck you. Anyway. Anyway, so there you are. So other news, Zombie Eddie was on the Super Awesome Pinball show. Did you watch that? It was satisfying. Part one and part two. all 28 hours oh my god hey man i i kid but it was an awesome interview it was it was uh i always like listening to jeremy he's uh he's a unique individual a lot of those artists it's just it's just fun to hear different takes you hear that when he talked about the glider that was that was a takeaway for me or uh he's like the the glider just isn't very interesting you know he wasn't he wasn't into the whole idea because they asked him to draw it on the side so he said no we're going to do something a little different than he did and it turned out okay yeah you know he and he wasn't like knocking it he just said just visually it wasn't you know and and i guess i kind of see what he's saying i mean it's just that you know it's a great piece of metal and you know it is what it is but um in the turtles world there's so many cool aspects to it right that the glider isn't something i'm thinking about yeah i thought it was cool that he did such a good job on the artwork that uh nickelodeon or whoever owns the turtles rights is actually contract him to do more turtles artwork for other products oh i missed that part very cool nice what what is it do you say specifically what he's doing no but it's going to be turtle specific oh that's not like um he's going to be doing anything else but he could i guess he actually but they picked him up to do a bunch more turtle stuff but he captured the turtles that i remember yeah he did a great job that was like a real worry yes because we didn't know which turtles So, Jeremy Packer (Zombie Yeti), you have an open invitation on our show, for sure. But it was an awesome interview. Yeah. It was awesome. It was. But I looked at all the artwork, and yeah, he just did a bang-up job. So, guys, listen to the super awesome pinball show with Christopher Franchi and Dr. Pin, and they're down to the two of them now. They're looking for a new... Ed Van Der Veen is... Ed found out that he already has the coolest job in pinball. It's not the podcast. Yes, it's being Ed fucking Van Der Veen and being retired and with like, I can go to the Florida, you know, and go to Florida whenever I want and go to the beach and go on my boats. These guys are cool. I don't need to be the third amigo. Yeah. I can be Ian. He already has a cool job. He doesn't need to podcast. So good for you, man. Just enjoy. Live that life. Christopher Franchi, I'm giving you my official resume here on the air. Yeah. 63 episodes of this bullshit. Yeah. Yeah, here's my resume. I drink a lot, and I have 63 episodes under my belt, and most of them are coherent. Yes. Sort of. So what Drew's saying is he's leaving me. All right, so anyway. You can ride my coattails all the way to the top. It'll be huge. Splash on some high karate. Lay down on the shag carpet right by that fireplace. because it's time for Love Letters. Feeling sexy yet? Feeling very sexy. I'm feeling the love here. You going to cue the music there, sir? It's cued, babe. Cue the music. All right. Ian. Eric, you're our guest. You go first. He's got a little piece of paper. I wrote this down. He wrote it with a quill feather and ink. I did. No. Very sexy. He's rubbing the quill feather on his nipple right now. He sprayed it with cologne, too. I can smell it. You smell that? Oh, wow. Look at that. That's my manly musk. All right. Is that CK? Is that CK wine? The manly musk. All right. So this is not your typical love letter. This is more of a thank you love letter. There's no such thing as a typical love letter. No. All right. We got the music playing? It's going. Okay. This is to a love letter to the 4th of July. I love you America I love what you did 244 years ago what other what other day can you drink all day set off fireworks and piss anywhere you want it's a day to celebrate liberty life and the American spirit ah fuck that we want beers boobs and ass thank you America for our truck nuts American flag bikinis the chicken sandwich the double-sided dildo jaws the movie potato chips wonder woman and chocolate chip cookies this is my love to you was was that was that from was that from rod and osborne our tribe member because uh wow eric that was the most unexpected love letter i've ever heard that took a turn That was awesome. You know what? There are many words that have been uttered on this podcast. Double-sided dildo. I don't think I've ever been uttered. That is spectacular. Ladies and gentlemen, double-sided dildos. Wow. I don't know if I can follow that up, but I'm going to try. All right, Drew. Go for it, brother. All right. So mine. Well done, Eric, by the way. Yeah, very well done. So mine, as often, is always off-key and something different. Dear Canadas Pinball Podcast. I will miss you for so many reasons, but mostly because you can take something that is completely untrue and, like Trump, make the world believe it. You made the world believe Wonka was the second coming, and then in Canada fashion, or Trump fashion, the lines are kind of blurred, I don't know, accuse us of doing the same thing with Hot Wheels. I will miss your inside scoops and real approach to the pinball hobby. I will miss how one minute you are cool as a cucumber, and the next you're on an expletive filled rant railing against all the pin side babies and hypocrites in this hobby we all love shots at stern and JJP they always make me smile I will miss all the honest truth grenades you toss into the world all jokes aside Chris mostly you did good for this hobby and even though you are far from perfect there will be a void left in the world especially from thousands of people thousands of people who said they did not listen to your show. That's true. You are a three-time Twippy Award-winning podcaster. However, not a tribe member. I thought I would throw that in because being humble is what you do best. Excellent work, Chris. You're going to be missed. Well done, Drew. Well done. That was brutal. I love you. All right, man. Here we go. Last love letter, guys. So if you're not all lubed up, you better get lubed up. Here we go. My love letter is to Inga, the better half in the October pinball. Oh, my God. Inga, dear Inga, Oktoberfest is a great pin, but it's perfect with you. Your call-outs tickle me in places I didn't know existed. I want you to meet my mom and dad. and afterwards turn off the family mode and let you drain my balls. You motivate me to go to the gym but you challenge me to be a racist. Thank you for everything you do for me. Love, Ian. Aww. That was nice. That was sweet. In short, it was awesome. Well, the song is only so long. Inga would be proud. thank you sir may i have another poor man's pinball tribe thank you sir may i have another poor man's pinball tribe thank you sir may i have another poor man's pinball tribe right now yeah all right and here we are it's tribe time baby it's been a few weeks because we're not doing them every week anymore we got a tribe induction. We're actually going to induct 30 people today. Fuck that. How long is this going to be? You know, we're just going to just be like posted outside the classroom. You know what we should have? We can do this. They won't even get butthurt. Every week we should have our favorite tribe member of the week. Oh, they would so get butthurt. I don't care. Let's do it. No, I'm not going to do that. That's an awful idea. I love them all. They're great. No, I love them too. No, but it's just a favorite. No? It's like a favorite child. See? We don't need to say that. It's awful. We don't need to encourage Josh Mudd any more than he is, all right? All right, so let's do this. He was giving me my pick for the week. All right, so here we go. Tribe member number 30. Is this number 30? I got to double check. Yeah, we might want to test that. I can't. I can't keep track anymore. How much do you let me drink, Ian? Why do you let me drink so much? I probably shouldn't have let you drink at all today. Well, fuck. you know let's just keep talking I had a statement and then my statement just eluded me I'm going to go to Facebook right now why do we not have this stuff planned don't worry this is all edit you're right I had a 30 it is 30 okay go ahead alright so this is tribe member number 30 we were going to edit all that but that's how we roll at the poor man's we're not editing that no Drew liked that too much I was going to put it at the end of the podcast. No. So for number 30, it's not that you're less important. We have so many great people in our tribe. We really do. We just didn't know the number. The one joke that there was about the favorite tribe. Well, I do have my favorite tribe member. I can't say him because he won't let me, but whatever. Jesus Christ. It's a joke. I have three favorite tribe members. The rest of you guys are all trash. No, not true at all. Not true at all. Not true. Going on right now. Oh, boy. Oh. And Eric's not one of them, and he's sitting right here. Oh. No, I'm just kidding. The super awesome pinball show is not. Yeah, the super awesome pinball show does not want your resume anymore. Oh, Franchi threw it in the garbage. So we are up to 30 tribe members. How do you become a tribe member, Ian? It's the five pillars of excellence. Five? Five pillars. There's five of them. Yes. First pillar, like us on Facebook. Super simple. uh second pillar is to message us message us communicate with us um regularly regularly we love to hear um how we doing what you think of the show we like drink recipes dad jokes all that good stuff so if you got something good uh please please send us an email it's a poor man's pinball at gmail.com or message us on facebook uh we read everything we try to respond to everything so uh please keep that dialogue going um third pillar help us grow our podcast what does that mean well you know what we're pretty lenient on this one It's sharing our links, sharing our posts, you know, helping us kind of share our brand. You know, if you see, I don't know, some thread on Pinsight about Canada not doing a podcast anymore and you want to throw in a, hey, I listen to those poor men. They're pretty good. That would be appreciated. But other than that, that's just ideas. That's just ideas. That's what I would do if I wanted to be a tribe member. Pillar number four fell over. That was no media members, but, you know, we just didn't want to deal with the egos of Franchi or Orbital Albert, but they both are in, so we're dealing with it. Kuiper, number one. Kuiper, yeah. We took our sledgehammer to that one. His ego's out of control, that Kuiper. Ryan Kuiper, TurboGrafx-7, we love you, bud. The OG. But, and pillar number five, still secret. Sorry, guys. This is something that Drew and I will keep in our pants. Keep close to our chest or in our pants, whatever. So there's five pillars. I got a pillar in my pants thinking about this next guy. You do. You do. I see it from here. All right. Let's do drum roll. Yes. Drum roll. So this guy, he's been a friend of the podcast for what? Six months maybe? Yeah. Maybe more. It's been a while. We've talked about, he's been on a short list for several months. We've had lots of back and forth with him. He joined us on our first ever Zoom call. Well, Facebook Messenger, whatever it was. It was awesome. It was awesome. You know, always contacts us. Lots of comments. Lots of emails. We've talked to him. He's a great dude. He's done the pillars twice. Yep. Maybe three times. Like I said, it's been a while. This guy's been on our radar for a while. Like I said, short list. Yep. So without further ado. Welcome. Number 30. Chris Chandler. Chris, welcome to the tribe, brother. You have made it. You can thank us now, thank us later, thank us often. Or regret everything. Oh, yeah. Regret life. You know, because you can put this on your resume and say, I'm a tribe member of the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. It might change your life. What the fuck is that? And you'll be like, let me change your life here, right? That's what happens. Yep. so welcome chris chandler to the tribe my friend thank you so much for being such a good listener and um just just just overall a good friend so thank you very much chris we really appreciate you can now officially join the zaniness that is the poor man's pinball tribe page yep and we appreciate all of the uh interactions that uh and all that work that you do uh to uh to keep the laughs coming so chris we expect big things from you in the try page all right here we go uh this is from doc finley um some people enjoy a day off on the fourth of july but not fire fireworks on the 4th of july oh doc oh cringy cringy and good i like cringy yeah cringy's so good what the hell all right here we go um another dad joke pete quint here we go dad joke i'm reading a horror book in braille something bad is going to happen i can feel it well played well played well all right so then we'll go into some good some good emails we got all right this email is from mike soreson um hey guys my name is mike i'm a pinball restorer who specializes in poor man machines i know exactly which ones he's talking about uh been in the game for about 10 years that's awesome mike uh been getting tired of listening to Joshua Clay over and over uh found you guys this morning while working on a golf stream and holy shit this is exactly what i want to listen to keep uh thanks guys keep it up a golf stream dude that was on my top five yes that's cool art that cool 70s art i love me some golf stream late 60s early 70s so pretty cool art that's a head turner too man yeah um so thank you very much for for um sending us an email and yes we were going to contact you when we break our next machine with rocks and a very special mailbag shout out to tribe member number 29 andrew pain he sent us a care package to thank us for becoming a tribe member he sent us a box it was the size of a shoe box and inside it had a nice handwritten note about thanking for being in the tribe which was cool then it had a couple of Jurassic Park stickers for yours truly very cool then it had a couple of big old cigars for Ian and I which we will be smoking we would have smoked them on the 4th of July but I happen to already have cigars for me myself and Eric who's here with us so we smoke those but Andrew we will be smoking those then he had some super hot chili flakes which we didn't put on the wings but we will try that on something for sure and the best thing he had a penis barbell yeah i saw it dude and uh a barbell for your penis yeah it's real it's a real thing it's real it's uh it's it's and if we would have had a few more drinks on the fourth of july we probably would have tried it i enough drinks it probably would have defeated me so you know but that that It's called Whiskey Dick, kids. But here's the thing. I wanted to be real serious for your Whiskey Dick. Let me see what you did there. You know, our tribe members, we keep talking about it. These are the type of people they are. You know, he didn't have to send us the shit. You know, it's a small gesture, but it's very cool. He took the time to do it. The cigars, you know, that's awesome. Yes. So super cool. Like, that's just awesome, man. Yep, we got the poor man rock kit that was sent to us. That was Matt Michaels. Matt Michaels. Yeah. Thank you, Matt. Thank you, Matt. Matt, where have you been? You need to start messaging us again. Yeah, Matt. We want to put you back on the short list to get inducted into our tribe someday. We miss you, Matt. We miss you. No, but it's very cool. They're so thoughtful. It's just awesome. I guess that's the moral of the story. Yeah. Yeah. Trev, old mate, great comeback last week. Boys loved it. Drew didn't need a dictionary. We're kicking touchdowns all over the park, mate. Trev, let's have a look in the vault. I think it's time to reveal something very special. Finish one of those custom games that seems to take forever. The multi-level stern meteor, Trevor, email Zach tomorrow and let him know the CPR playfield still hasn't arrived. If those fucking looters I saw robbing the FedEx truck on the freeway pinched my playfield, there's going to be a shitload of paperwork involved that I don't have time for claiming another playfield before they run out. So no, that will have to stay on the back burner for now. The narrowbody paragon, yeah, I need to sort out the artwork for the playfield. I'd really like Paul Faris to get on board for that an epic trilogy finale. Trev grab the playfield over there put it in the cradle on the pool table let's have a look. All right mate that's our next project right cue the intro and let's get started. G'day poor men Ian and Drew and you the listeners go and grab something special from the liquor cabinet with a bit of a kick to it this very special Father's Day edition from my island rock in the Pacific Ocean. An exclusive homebrew game reveal from Down Under, one you won't see or hear on any other podcast. This game has been in the making now for over three years from first concept to donor machine and is now in the process of being assembled. The game that visually has always been absolutely stunning but sadly for me has lacked gameplay appeal and longevity. It's a game I've carried out two full restorations on in the last 25 years and both have been reluctantly moved on. I'm talking about Bally's Captain Fantastic. This game was made in June of 1976 and features the best arc package of this era of any game, with over 16,000 games being produced at the time. So press pause right here and pull up the image of the Captain Fantastic playfield that I've posted on the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast Facebook page and I will walk you through what I hope will be an amazing game. I've settled on the Bally Space Invaders rule set for the gameplay and so far it fits nicely. I've left the playfield layout the same configuration but added a heap of extra features on the playfield. An inline set of three drop targets above the top right flipper, two spinners on either side of the playfield a three target drop target bank also four orange stand up targets behind the main five target drop target bank a red stand up target in the middle of the playfield below the centre pop bumper and a bonus collect kick out hole on the top right orbit. Probably the mech I like the most is the sling kicker that is in line with the apron on the left hand side that can kick the ball back onto the playfield after you've drained between the two scissor flippers. I've also added seven-digit displays as the scoring should easily surpass the six-digit threshold. For a complete rule set explanation, I've also posted a game card on the Facebook page. I'm currently speaking to a couple of pinball artists. Unfortunately, Franchi can't fit it in his current workload, which is unfortunate, as I know he would absolutely nail it. But that gives the opportunity for someone else to step up and put their signature on it. And I think I know just the person. Now regarding transforming the back glass, the score display windows will need adjusting and a credit and ball in play window added. Anyway, making a long story endless, I had this great idea. There are 24 faces visible on the back glass. Have you ever wanted to be on the back glass of a pinball machine? What about probably the most stunning back glass ever created? I'm thinking at this early stage about auctioning off all 24 faces. Some are more prominent than others, including Elton John's face. The money raised obviously will go to pay the pinball artist for his time and creativity on the project. Any money over and above this amount will be donated to Dan Spolar's Project Pinball. The lucky 24 people will then be able to purchase the finished back glass. Frame it, light it up, hang it in their games room. imagine being in the back glass of such an iconic back glass as Captain Fantastic. I know I will be. There are plenty of male and female faces so pick where you want your image to be. So this is what's happening down here for Winter 2020, poor men. I'll bring updates as they happen regarding the latest build. Till next week, Ian and Drew and all the listeners it's goodnight from me, Trevor. Wave your magic, mate, and we'll be on our way. Thank you very much, Rodan, for that awesome, amazing clip. It was damn entertaining. And, yes, Captain Fantastic is probably one of the best art packages, probably besides Fathom, that I've ever seen. So well played. I'm glad you're restoring that. And it's a good idea to offset that cost by getting people involved. So there was a few time-sensitive things in that clip. I'll have to apologize to Rodden. We took off last week, so this was an older clip from, I think he sent it to us June 22nd. So if you wanted to go back and look at that Captain Fantastic, that's where you would find it. So you'll see it on Facebook. Other than that, thank you again, Rodden. Always look forward to more episodes. And yes, Drew didn't need a dictionary. you're crushing it uh can't wait to hear episode number five in the series of a podcast within a podcast thank you sir all right well thank you very much for listening um like us on facebook the poor man's pinball podcast um follow us on twitter poor man's pinball podcast um also what else are we on oh uh buy our shit silver ball swag thank you drew we have so many shirts available. We have to sell them to pay our rent. That's a joke. See, Ian doesn't like when I make jokes like that. No, I'm just listening. So, silverballswag.com. Go to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. There's a whole promoter's tab there. Lots of cool stuff. We've got Franchi Art. We're soon going to have Brian Holderman Art, right? Spoiler alert. Yep, spoiler alert. We've got some cool stuff coming in the pipeline. We're going to have some Brian Holderman stuff. There's cool Franchi Art there. There's t-shirts that Ian and I designed. We didn't take much time to design them. We're not nearly as talented as Franchi or Holderman, but they're there, and it's good stuff. It is good stuff. So there you go. Support us in any way you can. Help us grow our podcast. It doesn't have to cost money. Just tell people about us. That's all we want. All right. And also, we just want to go through this real quick. Eric, why don't you pick a number between 1 and 37? 22 22 all right so this is for the pin shade giveaway here we go ready one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen fourteen fifteen sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty twenty one twenty two here we go and the winner of a brand new set of Pinshades goes to Ken Elguire. Ken. Pinshades. Thank you very much. So, Ken, I will send you a little message here, but you have won our Pinshades. Congratulations. Awesome. Excellent. His little bio says, husband, father, 20-year games industry vet, and currently a visual effects studio manager. So, you might dig these. Wow. Oh, there you go. Right up his alley. Love it. Awesome, brother. All right, Ken. Well, thank you so much, sir. and you are going to have yourself some pin shades sent to you. So thank you very much for the follow. Guys, continue to follow us. We will announce our next giveaway in the upcoming podcast here. We'll do a July giveaway. And we will do a July giveaway. So enjoy that. And thank you again for listening. Eric, thanks for being on again, man. Hey, thanks for having me. Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure. And I just want to say that you guys, since the last time, last two times I was on here. You guys grew so much. You guys are fantastic. I listen to you all the time and I still love you. Aww. Did you mean grow in my pants? Well, Drew's regressing today. That's okay. I had to ruin the moment with my boner joke. Well, thank you. That's what we expect out of you, Drew. Boner jokes and buttholes. That's Drew Bovair. Dicks and buttholes DB. weird anyway um so eric thank you man i'll be thinking about that all week oh thanks guys uh we really appreciate uh every one of you and thanks for listening and yeah you keep growing and we love it and eric uh you still retain the crown as the best love letter writer by far it's not even close and if eric just surprises that's that's awesome you think he goes one way with it and then i know it around or he gets super dirty and it's yeah that's funny too so eric thank you again for being on thank you for the awesome amazing love letter and uh thanks for hanging out with our dumb asses on a constant basis so we love you um also thank you everyone out there listening at the poor man's pinball podcast and uh we uh you'll see us next week right we'll be around next week all right later bud see ya what's the silent buckle i always want to know the views expressed on this podcast don't necessarily reflect the views of our sponsors obviously they don't really care as much as we do about buttholes and what's inside them so thanks for listening guys have a great day bye

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