# #101 Pinball and Beer - The Classic Pinball Podcast **Source:** The Classic Pinball Podcast **Type:** podcast_episode **Published:** 2023-03-23 **Duration:** 185m 14s **Beat:** Pinball **URL:** https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/george272/episodes/101-Pinball-and-Beer---The-Classic-Pinball-Podcast-e2081qt --- ## Analysis Episode 101 of The Classic Pinball Podcast features hosts George and Dr. Dave discussing service calls and restoration work on various pinball machines, including Popeye, Escape from Lost World, Laser War, and Centaur. The episode opens with a negative review criticism, transitions into operational pinball stories involving diagnostics and repairs, and includes extensive tangential discussions about life, culture, and podcast philosophy. Dave discusses detailed restoration work on a Centaur machine, including LED display installation and board repairs. ### Key Claims - [HIGH] Popeye (WPC-era game) had a VUK switch problem and disconnected opto wiring caused by vibration over time — _George describing service call experience with a newly purchased Popeye machine; detailed technical diagnosis_ - [HIGH] The Popeye game's playfield pitch needed to be reduced from 7 degrees to approximately 5.5-5.8 degrees to resolve multiball lock-up issues — _George explaining the fix applied: 'I took like one degree of pitch off of it by lifting the table up'_ - [HIGH] Escape from Lost World was purchased on Craigslist and required significant work including a new LED display — _George discussing a restoration: 'He bought it on Craigslist or something. and it needed a lot of work'_ - [HIGH] Laser War (Data East 1987) at a Boston Airbnb had two fried coils and multiple exploded transistors on the main board — _George detailing board failure: 'I find out the coil to shoot the ball to the shoe lane was fried, like melted fried... two coils are fried'_ - [HIGH] A replacement board for Data East Laser War was ordered and expected to arrive on the day of the recording — _George: 'I ordered one of those. Actually, it's coming in today, I think.'_ - [HIGH] Dave has invested over 100 hours of work on the Centaur restoration for a Maryland customer — _Dave: 'I think I'm easily over 100 hours worth of work on this thing'_ - [HIGH] Dave replaced the power supply in Centaur with a Weebly Andrew power supply and is installing custom-soldered LED displays instead of keeping original plasma displays — _Dave discussing Centaur modifications: LED assembly involves '300 solder points' and 'took me a couple hours'_ - [HIGH] The podcast is criticized by some listeners for including non-pinball tangents (vacations, restaurants, cultural discussions) — _George reading Apple Podcasts review: listener 'doesn't like is when you start talking about vacations and restaurants and other things'_ - [HIGH] George has a 19-20 year old nephew in college who listens to the podcast regularly — _George: 'I got a call the other day from my 19- or 20-year-old nephew that goes to college. He listens to us religiously.'_ - [MEDIUM] The audience skews older; George estimates his nephew may be 'that one person under the age of 25' who listens — _George: 'I was like, great. So he must be that one person under the age of 25 that listens to us. Because we definitely skew older.'_ ### Notable Quotes > "I'm pretty good at drinking beer." > — **George (opening song/intro)**, 00:00 > _Episode opener sets casual, personal tone; contrasts with pinball-focused content expectation_ > "If you don't like it, like I always say, change the channel... There's like about a million other fill-in-the-podcasts." > — **George**, ~02:00 > _Defensive response to critical review; establishes philosophy that podcast is conversational, not pinball-exclusive_ > "This is why I want to spend more time on it. I know I want to stay within your budget, but this is why I kind of allocated this amount of money to it, because I knew I needed to spend more time with a game like this." > — **George (service call explanation)**, ~15:00 > _Illustrates tension between budget constraints and thorough technical work; customer service philosophy_ > "Time is money... If I had more, if I had carte blanche... But if it was your home game and you wanted pitch and you wanted to play with it, but you have a newbie, he doesn't know anything." > — **George**, ~20:00 > _Reflects on balancing perfectionism with customer satisfaction and cost control_ > "It's like seasoning in a sauce. A little bit of pepper, a little bit of salt, and a little bit of oregano." > — **George (defending tangential content)**, ~35:00 > _Metaphor for podcast structure: pinball + tangents = engaging content_ > "I think I'm easily over 100 hours worth of work on this thing." > — **Dave (Centaur restoration)**, ~65:00 > _Indicates scale of restoration effort on premium vintage machine_ > "You should buy, like, a wolf pack... I don't like them as much. I like this better. These look better." > — **Dave (LED display soldering)**, ~70:00 > _Reflects perfectionism in display restoration; aesthetic preference over convenience_ > "If I can easily pull that connector off without much effort, I'm going to do it. If it's on there tight, I'm not going to do it." > — **Dave (IDC connector strategy)**, ~75:00 > _Pragmatic approach to preventive maintenance; cost-benefit analysis in restoration_ ### Entities | Name | Type | Context | |------|------|---------| | George | person | Co-host of The Classic Pinball Podcast; pinball technician/operator performing service calls and repairs | | Dr. Dave | person | Co-host of The Classic Pinball Podcast; pinball restorer and technician; currently restoring Centaur machine | | Maureen | person | Works with George on service calls; performs cabinet touch-up and finishing work on restorations | | Bill Davis | person | Referenced for the phrase 'jacking around'; appears to be an industry figure or friend | | Popeye | game | 1990s WPC-era pinball machine; subject of service call involving VUK and opto wiring issues; criticized for large center toy and inaccurate theme | | Escape from Lost World | game | 1987-88 pinball machine with dinosaur theme; purchased on Craigslist; underwent restoration including new LED display installation | | Laser War | game | Data East 1987 pinball machine at Boston Airbnb; experienced major board failure with multiple fried coils and transistors; replacement board ordered | | Centaur | game | Vintage pinball machine undergoing extensive restoration by Dave; customer from Maryland; receiving 100+ hours of restoration work, LED display upgrades, power supply replacement | | The Classic Pinball Podcast | organization | Podcast hosted by George and Dr. Dave; Episode 101; known for mixing pinball content with tangential lifestyle discussions | | Data East | company | Pinball manufacturer; produced Laser War (1987) | | Williams/Bally | company | Classic pinball manufacturer; produced WPC-era games including Popeye | | CPR (Classics Pinball Restoration) | company | Supplier of replacement playfields for Escape from Lost World restoration | | Weebly | company | Manufacturer of power supplies and LED displays for pinball restorations; Dave uses Weebly Andrew power supply and prefers their products | | TPF (Texas Pinball Festival) | event | Referenced as upcoming event; George mentions mystery guest may attend | | Apple Podcasts | platform | Podcast distribution platform where critical review was received | ### Topics - **Primary:** Pinball machine service calls and repairs, Technical diagnostics and troubleshooting, Playfield leveling and pitch calibration, Vintage machine restoration, Board-level electronics repairs and component replacement, LED display retrofits and upgrades - **Secondary:** Podcast format and content philosophy, Customer service and cost management ### Sentiment **Mixed** (0.55) — Positive sentiment regarding technical expertise, successful repairs, and customer relationships. Negative sentiment in response to listener criticism and frustration with tangential expectations. Defensive tone when addressing content criticism, balanced by pride in workmanship and customer satisfaction. Tangential discussions carry mixed tones from humorous to philosophical to slightly irritated at interruptions. ### Signals - **[operational_signal]** Multiple service call stories revealing common failure modes in vintage and WPC-era machines: opto wiring vibration failures, coil burnout cascades, board-level component degradation, playfield leveling issues affecting switch reliability (confidence: high) — George's Popeye and Laser War calls; Dave's discussion of preventive maintenance strategies - **[restoration_signal]** Growing trend of retrofitting LED displays into machines with original plasma displays; labor-intensive soldering work (300+ points per display); aesthetic preference debate between plasma and LED options (confidence: high) — Dave's Centaur LED installation; 'I like the look of these things... plasmas are great' - **[restoration_signal]** Aftermarket power supply replacements (Weebly Andrew) being installed on vintage machines as preventive measure against board failure cascades (confidence: medium) — Dave: 'I already put a Weebly Andrew power supply in the game already... just because I wanted that to be nice and new' - **[product_concern]** WPC-era machines (1990s) showing recurring issues: fragile opto wiring, vibration-induced failures, connector oxidation (confidence: medium) — George's Popeye diagnosis: 'These wires are so thin. And the VUK, vertical off-kick, has so much vibration... your wires right nearby, it'll vibrate them so they come off over time' - **[community_signal]** Listener friction over podcast format: criticism that tangential content (non-pinball discussions) detracts from pure pinball focus; hosts defend format as intentional and stylistic (confidence: high) — Apple Podcasts review quoted; George's defensive response about podcast philosophy - **[operational_signal]** Multiple machines sourced from Craigslist/secondhand requiring extensive remedial work; 'surface-level' prior repairs that missed underlying issues; buyers often unaware of actual condition until problems surface (confidence: medium) — George: 'every time when people buy from Craigslist or they buy from somebody, it's like, oh, I just restored it... They find you after the fact.' - **[restoration_signal]** Decision points in restoration where board-level repairs exceed cost-benefit; replacement boards sourced from 'remanufacturers' as preferred solution over transistor-level repairs (confidence: medium) — George on Laser War: 'I told the owner, I said, you know, let's just not repair this whole board. I can get you a brand new board.' - **[operational_signal]** City-based service calls present logistical challenges: parking constraints, neighborhood restrictions, time pressures from venue bookings; technicians prefer suburban work (confidence: medium) — George describing Boston Airbnb service: 'parking is a whole other nightmare... permanent parking only... had to like park illegally' - **[restoration_signal]** Fine-tuning of playfield pitch as critical parameter affecting switch reliability and multiball mechanics; small adjustments (1-2 degrees) can resolve intermittent lock-up issues (confidence: high) — George: 'I took like one degree of pitch off of it by lifting the table up... That's all I needed' - **[community_signal]** Podcast audience skews significantly older; hosts recognize youth engagement gap in pinball community (confidence: medium) — George: 'he must be that one person under the age of 25 that listens to us. Because we definitely skew older.' - **[design_philosophy]** Technicians adopt pragmatic preventive maintenance strategies: only replace connectors if easily accessible; avoid time-intensive full connector replacement on working machines; balance perfection against diminishing returns (confidence: medium) — Dave: 'If I can easily pull that connector off without much effort, I'm going to do it. If it's on there tight, I'm not going to do it.' - **[content_signal]** Hosts include gameplay audio segments at end of episodes; positioned to allow listener opt-out; recurring criticism from listeners who dislike gameplay content (confidence: medium) — George: 'I usually put the gameplay at the end of the show, so in case you don't like it, you don't have to listen' --- ## Transcript I wasn't born for digging deep holes, I'm not made for paving long roads, I ain't cut out to climb highline tolls, but I'm pretty good at drinking beer. Hello and welcome to another episode of the Classic Pinball Podcast. My name is George and I'm joined by Dr. Dave. Hello, Dave. Hello, George. Probably wondering why it was called Under Pressure. Don't deal well with trying to come up and do self-congratulations for our 100th episode. I tried, just didn't work out. So, we're going to move on. New Leaf, episode 101. We got some changes. Dave, I've been busy. I've been busy, too. Okay. Why don't we start with an email that I got on Apple. Somebody gave us a review on Apple Podcasts. Was it a good review? No, it was not. Ah, no, George. Nah. Oh, boy. He took our best episode, 99, and said, basically, he didn't say I love. but he likes the fact that we talk pinball. He said what he doesn't like is when you start talking about vacations and restaurants and other things. Well. Spoiler boy. Right. Mike. You know what's coming, right? There's many other channels you can go to. Right. You know what's coming. Anyway. Yep. Had you not just listened to that episode, you would have heard me crow multiple times about how this particular podcast was born. It was born out of telephone conversations. And that's what he said. He said, you sound like two guys having a telephone conversation. Well, you know what? If you don't like it, like I always say, change the channel. Anybody can just be an armchair general and just say that kind of crap. So there's like about a million other fill-in-the-podcasts. So you got your five seconds, okay? Yeah, have fun with that. But there's plenty of podcasts that talk about pinball, pinball, pinball. Have at it. We're different. So let's turn to the good side. I got a call the other day from my 19- or 20-year-old nephew that goes to college. He listens to us religiously. And he said, congratulations, Uncle George, on your 100th episode. Excellent. I was like, great. So he must be that one person under the age of 25 that listens to us. Because we definitely skew older. Hmm. I have a correction. And then we're going to get to the pinball. Correction. I told you the horse story in the last episode. You know, the horse running across my neighbor's yard. Yes. And how the fisher cat got in. Well, the fisher cat is not a cat. My mistake. I called it, what, the cat lion. It's actually a weasel. Oh. Big difference. Big difference. Both deadly, but different. Stay tuned. I got some more animal news later. All right. Now for everyone's favorite section, What's Up, Doc? I'm gonna get what's up, doc. What's cooking? Hey, look out! Stop! I'm gonna wake someone with a little shotgun. Hey, what's up, doc? Well, here's what's up. What's up is we've had a couple different service calls here, one being a Popeye. Popeye is a 1990s-era WPC game that not many people like. kind of got a bad rap. Some people do like it, but some people call it poop-eye. I never heard it called that, but I've played it. That poop thing in the middle is just way too big. Plus on top of it, it's Popeye's I love Popeye! animal arc. He never had an animal arc with animals in it. So why did they do that? I think they captured the yeah, that's fine. They captured the little kitties the kids that like the animals and capture that audience, I guess. So, working this Popeye, it just originally had a switch problem. It wouldn't kick the... The VUK wouldn't kick the ball out. Basically, this game has a ton of optos in it. Went on site. I told them I was going to probably need more than that, but I'll just fix that and a couple other things. So when I was there, I found a wire off of one of the optos. Boom, fixed that. And I found some other stuff in there while I was there. Okay, fixed a couple other things. and I told them, I said, well, you really could, you know, someone did some decent work in this game, it's pretty clean, but, you know, if you could have me do some more work on it just to kind of really give it one start. He's like, oh, no, I think it's going to be okay and we'll just go with this. And it was, you know, pretty reasonable priced, you know, service what we did, like an hour or two there. So they wanted me to level the game a little bit and some other stuff that wasn't quite right with it while I was there. So I did all that. and things were great. He was like, oh, it works better than ever now. Thank you. He's a new pinball owner. He just got the game from somebody, and it was his first game, and so, you know, he didn't really know what it takes and how to do things. He was told it was a working game. He was told it was a working game. And it worked. It is clean. It actually even had, it even had, like, silicone clear rubber on it. It even had some color clear rubber on it, or colored rubber on it. So why wasn't the wire attached? because the guy just did the surface stuff without fixing the stuff underneath, really. You know what I mean? I think it had a sticky flipper. I had to rebuild the flippers on it, too. So it wasn't in bad shape. But just the guy who worked on it before didn't go and look for all a bunch of frayed wires. And these wires are so thin. And the VUK, vertical off-kick, has so much vibration. Every time it kicks, it has vibration. And your wires right nearby, it'll vibrate them so they come off over time. So that came off. So I checked some other wiring, and I found everything else was in good shape. Played a game on it and played, okay, I played a game and a half or so. He came down and played it, so it was good. So I left there, and I think the night of, he got home, and he'd say, hey, I just played a bunch of the game, and now that problem was fixed. I'm having a different problem now. I'm having a problem with the game locking up balls, and it's like. This was after you left? Yeah, after. So where did you have to go? It's only like 40 minutes. Oh, okay. It wasn't that bad. And I said, well, this is why I want to spend more time on it. I know I want to stay within your budget, but this is why I kind of allocated this amount of money to it, because I knew I needed to spend more time with a game like this. I didn't have to spend enough time on it to really nail out all the gremlins, potential gremlins. And he hasn't had much time on it either, because the game screwed up right away when he bought the game. So he's finding more gremlins. So I said, no problem, I'll come back down. But originally I said X, so you're going to be close to my original estimate of X, not your half of X that we had the other day. So he was okay. He's a little bit leery, though, that, you know. That we weren't going to fix it. Well, I don't blame him. That we were going into his pocket. Yeah, I don't blame him. I can see that. So I basically wanted to reassure him. So I said, when I come down there, I'm going to show you what I do, and I want you to watch what I do and watch what I find. So I showed him. I found the problem. This little switcher and lock-up thing, that wasn't quite, it's either bad or it's off by a hair. I adjusted that and see now it's working. And I got it to work, and then he went back upstairs to work, and I started playing it some more, and it was working, but it was still intermittent. It wouldn't give me multiball all the way. It would throw two balls and lock them, but the third ball was supposed to come out and lock the third one. It never would come out. It wouldn't register. It's like, what the heck? I just checked all the switches in there. They're all good. I omitted them out. I put them in switch test. They all worked. It's like, okay, well, what else did I change? You know what? Let's try this. I even took the assembly out of my hand, and I put the balls in by hand to make sure they go click, click, and all the balls hit all the things. They hit the switch. I said, okay, why is it working in my hand but not in the game? So I put it back all inside the game and made the game come up and run, and I lifted the play field up a little bit and gave it a little bit. Instead of being so steep, I put it a little bit, and then I played the game and locked the ball, and the game behaved normally. It gave me multiball and everything. just by taking, I took like one degree of pitch off of it by lifting the table up. It's like, okay. So I dialed, so I cleaned the area some more, and also I dialed down the gain by, instead of being like a seven-degree pitch, I put it down to like a 5.5, 5.8-degree pitch. That's all I needed. Now everything worked right. That much? Yep. Could you have kept it at 7% pitch if you adjusted? Yeah, I could have and shimmed it. But it would have taken a while. It would have taken a while. He didn't have a while. No, no, no. Time is money. Time is money. I mean, I would have. If I had more, if I had carte blanche. But if it was your home game and you wanted to pitch and you wanted to play with it, but you have a newbie, he doesn't know anything. No. That's why you're there. That's why I'm there. And I want to keep the price low for him and keep him happy. And I told him, I took your pitch down a little bit to make it work right because it was intermittent. Now it works all the time. It doesn't feel like that much of a play difference. So I said if I had more time, if I had carte blanche to go crazy in the game, I would have actually shimmed it and made it so. but that takes more playing around with it. As Bill Davis would say, it's more jacking around. That's what Bill Davis calls it, jacking around. So I fixed that. Are you sure that wasn't our president? George, how dare you, George. That's our president, I think. President of what? I don't know exactly. I think Plissken said it best. I just said our president. I didn't say anything else. We have a president? Absent, but yes, we do. No, we have absent-minded presidents. You said it, I did. Okay. So that's the Popeye story. So do you have another story? I do. The next story would be, let's see, how about Escape from Lost World? This is a 1987 or 88 ballet from the Lost Era of ballets. Is this the dinosaur game? Yeah. One of the dinosaur games. It has a big scary dinosaur in the back glass that's kind of roaring at you. Oh, with the bright green and yellow and orange. Yeah, a little bridge across it, a little metal bridge. But like a cartoon character, not like a real dinosaur. Well, no. Sort of? Sort of. It looks like a real dinosaur. I think I'm familiar with the game. Land of the Lost. So, you know, I'm playing the – so I fixed a bunch of stuff on the game. I spent a day's power on it, fixed, you know, the shooter. I always miss a lot. He bought it on Craigslist or something. and it needed a lot of work. So I kind of went through the whole game, put a new display in there, a new LED display. When you say somebody bought it on Craigslist, the first thing that comes to mind is, did they get a bargain or did they get taken? No, this one, I'd say neither. He didn't get a bargain, he didn't get taken. He got, like, an okay deal. So he paid full price when all was said and done. Yeah, after my work. Yeah, he paid full price after all was said and done, yes. Okay. Yeah. So he did, you know. He paid a fair value for what. Yeah, after all, yeah. All said and done. Right. But every time when people buy from Craigslist or they buy from somebody, it's like, oh, I just restored it or I had my check restored. Yeah, okay, sure you did. So they find you after the fact. Right. Why don't they find you before the fact? Some do. Some actually come and, hey, do you sell games? They say, yeah, I do, but I don't have any ready because I have to. But everybody we mostly talk about are people that find you after the fact when they have a problem. And I'm guessing they're sitting there saying, did I make a mistake? And then they find you. Yeah, then I kind of. Well, they could say the same thing, but they don't. What? Wait a minute. What are you trying to say, George? I'm seeing if you're paying attention. Yeah, I'm paying attention. All right. Who pissed in your cornflakes, George? What's going on? You want to steer clear of that right now? That is a reference. I think the world did. Steer clear. Oh, okay. Got it. Yeah. You got it. I think I got it. Okay. So, anyway, Escape from Lost World, Escape from Lost Cause. So, actually, we finished the game. I did a little, I did some audio of the game. So, here's some audio. That's what you were playing earlier? Yeah. Oh, my God. That's what plays in the background? Yeah. I am a zombie. You don't speak about it. Click, click, click, click, click, click, click. Are there headhunters in this game? I keep thinking... Isn't there a three stooges where they get caught by, like, guys in the Congo? and they get tied to the stake. I was going to say bad cats. Bad cats. Are you a Little Rascals fan? Did you watch them as a kid? Yeah. Okay, do you remember... Stymie. Right. Well, no. Do you remember the character? Alfalfa. No. Uncle George. When I say what Uncle George used to say, you'll remember who Uncle George is. Okay. It fits. Yum, yum. Eat them up. Oh, yeah. Yes, yes. Right? Wasn't he like a savage? Yeah, he was. Yeah. He was in this game. Right? Yeah, yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah. Anyway, that's what I'm thinking when that's playing. Okay. Well, it's about right. Okay. It's really bizarre. It's kind of like, it's kind of funky. We're not allowed to, probably not allowed even. Yeah, you can. No one knows what you're saying. No one knows who that is. They have to look it up. They do? Yeah, no one's going to know that. Well, there's like a phrase I heard the other day. And how would you say it any other way? What phrase would that be? Don't be an Indian giver. But think about that for a second. If you're an Indian giver, wouldn't that mean you are giving something to an Indian? Indian? Yeah. Makes you wonder, right? Makes you wonder. They did. There was something about giving the land away for two. Oh, you know what happened back in the day? Was it Louisiana Purchase? What was the moment they bought Manhattan for two bucks or whatever? $27. $27. But you know what? You know why? Because the Indians thought that the white man there was a bunch of losers. They go, you want to buy our land for what? No one owns land. We own all this stuff. Yeah, okay, we'll take your money for the land, but you're not going jack, dude. You haven't been across the river yet. There's a lot over there. No, we, in the Indian culture, no one owns any land. The land is the great spirit. The land is not ownable. See, now everybody just, this guy just tuned in. Good. He needs to tune in. Go somewhere else. You know, we're waxing poetic here. I'm giving you knowledge. I'm giving you things that I've found. Okay, okay. No one knows this guy. Back to the pinball. These are extra tidbits to kind of, if you just, you know. They're called segues. They're called interrupters. If you talk pinball all day long, it's boring. People will get, tune out, it's like yawn. You've got to spice up with some other stuff. It's like seasoning in a sauce. A little bit of pepper, a little bit of salt, and a little bit of oregano. The seasoning or the sauce? You're a little bit of salt, George. A little bit of salt? See, what salt does, salt flavors, and it also irritates. Wow. So there, bazinga. I got him, folks. I got him. Folks, if you happen to see Dave and I in Miami Beach, both wearing boxing gloves, you'll know why. Have you seen that on TV? No. Oh, spring break. Let's all go to the beach, put two guys and or girls or combination thereof in boxing gloves, and let's go out onto the beach and kick the shit out of each other. No, it sounds like not fun at all. Watch it. It's on TV. You'll see it today. But that's... I just... That's like blood sport. I went... I went to spring break a long time ago. All you did was drink beer. Right. Now it's... Do you know what a Borg is? Yeah, from Star Trek. No. No, I don't know what a Borg is. A Borg is... You only assimilated it. The assimilator is just the Borg. Oh. See, now we're going off the rails. It's okay. It's not going to get big. Borg. Yeah. Black Out Rage Gallon. They take a gallon of electrolytes, pour some out, pour some vodka in it, and some assorted amphetamines. What? And you have to drink the whole thing. One person. Or says two. And why am I going to drink this? It's the TikTok rage, man. That's stupid. What are these people doing? I just said we used to go to spring break, chase girls, and drink beer. Right, but that's normal. That's not the crap. It's hazardous. It's stupid. Might as well have some paint on our heads. Welcome to the TikTok generation. Are they having paint, too? I don't know. I just saw it on TV. I don't know. What a waste of youth. I knew you were going to say that. What a waste. Okay. You know what? I'll trade that. Get back to the pinball. Everybody's yelling at us now. No, just that one guy. And he's not here anymore. He just left. You know what? Do I need to start putting time stamps on this show? Hey, if you don't want to hear us pontificate, fast forward five minutes. No? Okay, you can do that. I'm not doing that. Okay, don't do that. Second story. Second story. Second story. Let's go with... Sorry, third story. Third story. So, yeah, Laser War. Laser War. Data East, 1987. This is actually in Boston, and this is actually at an Airbnb. So it's part of the Airbnb. They have this pillow machine there. Just one? Just one and a video game. And kind of a cool little basement apartment deal. And so they call me every once in a while when they get a problem. And so this time, you know, they said, oh, the ball won't serve the shooter lane. Then I said, are you sure that's all that's going on? Can you turn the game on and kind of give me some rainfall? Because that can mean a lot of things. So it's like, well, I'll try, but I'm not sure I'm down there. So basically they couldn't really do any due diligence for me to figure it. So it's like, okay, I'll just bring my stuff and come over. So we did. And I looked in there. Yeah, parking is a whole other nightmare. The Republic? Oh, in Boston. Right in the heart of Boston. Oh, not the Republic. Not the Republic. Okay. No, this is the heart of Boston. And trying to find parking around there. And we had to like. Was it St. Patrick's Day? I think it was. Oh. Wasn't it? Was it Friday? No, it was close to. No, close to. No, the last time we went there was St. Patrick's Day. A year ago. This time was like two days before St. Patrick's Day. The timing is everything. But it was a neighborhood. It wasn't any restaurants nearby. It's a neighborhood. It's a brownstone. Okay. But again, it's permanent parking only. So we had to like park illegally. Did nobody have their chairs out in the road? That's Celsius. We're not in Celsius. No, that's different. This is a different part of Boston. Okay. So we had to park illegally, bring all our crap to the curb, bring it in the house while Maureen watched the commercial, and I was going to tag it. And then we went in the car, moved it a block away, and walked back there. All this rigmarole. This is why I usually don't do – I do them a favor because I like working with this family, and they're nice, and so we do the work. But usually I don't really do the city stuff like that, typically. I have enough work out in the suburbs. So anyway, so worked on the game and looked at the table, the play field up, and I find out the coil to shoot the ball to the shoe lane was fried, like melted fried. It's like, okay, well, that ain't good. And it's like, hey, there's also another coil back in the game that's fried. So now two coils are fried. It's like, that's bad. To bring the bacon? To heat them up? No, I already had the breakfast, so we didn't do that, no. We had two fried coils. I did. I decided to bake it. George, you're going off the rails again. Now we're talking about breakfast. Now we're really lost people. See that? So I look in the backbox. I look at the main board there, and I see two transistors are exploded on the board, and then two other ones that drive it are exploded on the board. It's like, okay. And let's see. Usually I have all the stuff on me, but it's like I have a couple within all of them. So then I say, okay, what I'll do is I'll install some of what I had here. I looked in the schematic and said, oh, there's a couple that aren't being used. They're unused. I robbed from the board on those two, put them in there, and hope for the best, turned it on, and I put new coils in, and the coils started going on automatically. Again? Well, everything. The thing was going to fry them again if I didn't turn it off. Turn it off. Turn it off! The thing that dried, it's all chained. It fried all that plus up the chain. Some driver ICs are probably fried that you can't tell unless you, you know, put an oscilloscope on or whatever. So, I actually looked at the board. It's more like someone repaired this section a long time ago, and it's having a problem again. So, I told the owner, I said, you know, let's just not repair this whole board. I can get you a brand new board. What kind of game is this again? It's a Data East Laser War. Somebody makes the board for this thing? Yeah. Who? I forget who. It doesn't matter. Yeah, one of the remanufacturers. Of course. I forget who. One of the pinball manufacturers. One of the pinball manufacturers makes that. I don't know. So I ordered one of those. Actually, it's coming in today, I think. And I'm going to go out there at some point and put that in. And then they should be all set. So that was a good one. That was kind of a head-scratcher. Yes? But when we were leaving, the guy came out. Oh, yeah, yeah. So, again, I'm just about done with the game working on it, packing up our stuff. And it's coming close to. Well, as long as you're gone by, like, 4 o'clock, we have our new guest coming in. It's an Airbnb. be. So get the hell out. Well, in a nice way. And I said, well, we've got a couple minutes. We'll try to be done, you know. So we get out of there. And he said, oh, I just talked to the person. He's okay if you stay a little longer. I said, no, we're ready to go. So we go out of there. We didn't know if he was there. But we go right there at 4 o'clock. And all of a sudden this guy comes out. And it looks like kind of like... You ever see this movie called After Hours? No. The movie called After Hours. I'll have to give you the clip. There's a guy in there who comes out. And he's like sort of in And this guy wasn't dressed up like that, but almost like some BSDM attire, nose rings and that kind of thing. He says, hi, my name's Horse. And it's in the movie, not the guy. Oh, I thought you said, I call myself Horse. No, but I'm ready. But I'm ready for the guy to say that because it's like that kind of thing. and then the guy in the movie says that was rude what you did to my friend and he goes I'm sorry it's like it's sorry I should be more disciplined yes it's because you have lack of discipline you know but it's like I was ready for this guy to be some kind of so he was nice enough but it's kind of like this startling he was like from just a different a different mindset than what I'm used to different world so we came back in to get some more parts and take them out. You don't get out much, do you? No, not to the city life. The whole city is a whole different thing. You mean once you cross that parallel? Yeah, it's a different thing. Well, it's like I always say when you go to Vermont. There must be something in the water up there. Give me any country anyway. I'm like Green Acres. I'm not New York if I'd rather stay. I'm like, give me the fresh air from Mr. Douglas. Give me Mr. Douglas and the freaking pitchfork and some hay or whatever. So that's that one. Then we got the centaur. And actually, we can... This could be a centaur show today, because actually, my centaur is done. Now, as I told you, we've already done that show. But that doesn't preclude us from going downstairs. And here's another person that doesn't like when we play the game, but as I will say, for the up-teen-billionth time, I I usually put the gameplay at the end of the show, so in case you don't like it, you don't have to listen. I got something to say. In case you don't understand, it's like, I don't care. All right. There's a recurring theme here. You know, we're doing it for us. Again, I'm going to apologize. I was a little flat in our last 100th. I don't think that's a word that will be used in this particular program. Flat? Yeah, just uninspiring. I don't know. I just didn't feel like I had the hope I normally have. You lost your mojo? Yeah, I don't know why. You know, I think you were trying so hard for the 100. You're kind of like, no, I can't do the 100. The pressure's... Well, I'm disappointed. Yeah. And I'll tease it again, and I haven't contacted this person. I really wanted that to work out, and it didn't work out. So I kind of bummed out. But everybody will be really happy when it does happen, whenever that is. But this mystery person, I'm guessing, will be going to TPF this week. Mr. Mystery Guest. Right. That's from Die Hard. Die Hard. So tell your story about Centaur. Is there a story about Centaur? Yeah, there's a story about Centaur. So Centaur, I think I'm easily over 100 hours worth of work on this thing. So this thing, the guy who... This is Mr. New Jersey or Maryland? Mr. Maryland. Okay. Yep. He's going to come back and pick it up? He is. Yep. So did a lot of work on it. Maureen did some touch-up on the cabinet on it and new playfields off CPR. And the big game is a gorgeous center all the way around. I fine-tuned the crap out of this thing and hunting down all the little gremlins and just optimizing everything, flipper feeds and all that stuff. Um, the last thing he wants me to do to it is, even though it has really nice plasma displays, is put in LED displays. And I have some nice LED displays that look just like plasmas, but the problem with them is you have to assemble them. And I'm going to show you, George. No, I saw them sitting here on the table. Okay. I put all these in, all right? I would not do this. Times five. I would not do this. Do you want to see this? That's about 300 solder points I did the other day. That took me a couple hours. You should buy, like, a wolf pack. I don't like them as much. I like this better. These look better. Well, he hates us now. Okay. Hey, you know what? That's what I use. It's a lot easier. Yeah, but I'm a attention-seeking guy. Wow, another story. Not like you're. Not like you, George. You know you're really close to me here. I'm not going to go stumble with George. You don't want me to use my banker and my stockbroker line, do you? Oh, I know where you live. That one? That's where I can put my hand on your neck. That one. You've been paying attention. I've been paying attention. Okay. I'm taking notes. Okay. As he slowly inches back away. Right, exactly. Back away, back away. So, I don't know. So, I like the look of these things. I've seen the little pack, and they're decent. Actually, I like the Weebly product a lot, but he does not make them. He only makes a six-digit, not seven. These are sevens. so I'm doing that and it's just taking a lot of time, it takes hours to do so why don't you just leave the plasmas in there make those or vice versa, put those in and have the other ones so in case he wants to go back to the other ones he's got them, no? you're going to take them all and put them in another game no, I like plasmas I like the plasmas I like these too but plasmas are great, I don't know I like them if they're nice, if they're decent oh so here's the weird problem with the game so I decided to even though the board is a decent you know original valley MPU in the game someone did some work on it before had a little bit of alkaline image but they remade it and all that stuff and looked good and never had a problem with it I said well I already put a Weebly Andrew power supply in the game already I've already recast a rectifier board rectifier board okay put that in there just because I wanted that to be nice and new so you had to build that one no I came built. You must have bought it a long time ago. No, I bought it like about a month ago. Every time I go out on his website, it's got the kit but it doesn't have the ready-made one. For... Oh no, you bought the... Oh, you bought the more... 81. Sorry, I'm thinking the other one. Not the other one. The older one you have to build. Right. You told me in the last show, don't you remember? No, you don't remember. Pinball Recoil. We talked about my repair on my Centaur and I was not aware that Andrew so I forgot. I'm getting old. And I'm not allowed to use that, but forgetting is becoming a common habit right now. Well, look who runs the world right now, George. Oh, we keep going and going. Yeah, yeah. Then I say, well, let's put the old value board back in. You know what happened? The value board worked. Okay, then I'm thinking, okay, well, what's coming, well, okay, the bottom left-hand connector to the MPU, that's where the thing gets all its power from, and that's where, if you need to get the 43 volts, and the 5 volts, and whatever else it needs, maybe that connector, it's an IDC, right? So it's like, well, I should replace it anyway, so I just, okay, I'm just going to take it. Did you do all the connectors in this game? No. Now, here's the thing, with the IDCs, even on my own games, I haven't done them all. I haven't done mine. It's a pain in the ass, and it It takes a long time. I told you, my game works. I'm not effing with it. Here's what I will do. I will do it on ones. If I can easily pull that connector off without much effort, I'm going to do it. If it's on there tight, I'm not going to do it. When I owned Kings of Steel, I did the whole game. That's a long time. A lot of hours. But the game always worked. And the Kings of Steel is not worth it. No, but if you're going to go do it and you're a newbie like I was at the time, you don't go and do it on a Centaur. You go and do it on a King's of Steel. King's of Right Target. Right. Yeah. All right. So I did that one connector. It's like, okay, that's going to be it. It goes on nice and tight now. It's like, okay, cool. All right. And I put a wee wee board back in. Well, first I put it on the bally board. How come it didn't work again? It didn't work again. I put it back in the bally board. Cut to the chase. You've done the buildup. Okay. Then I said, okay, you know what? Let's go upstairs to one of my other known working games. Let's pull a board out. Let's pull a Solenoid driver board out of that game by Flash Gordon. Let's throw it in Centaur and see what happens. It works. Solenoid driver board. Okay. Now you've got my attention and everybody else's. Yeah. So then I took the Solenoid driver board, the suspect one that keeps having a problem, good with Bally, bad with Weebly. I put it on my Solenoid drive tester thing, my rig. And I put it on 5-volt tests, and it comes up 5.13 volts. Great. I hit the load button, it goes down to 2.6 volts. Now, when you load up the game, it's like trying to demonstrate, is your final regulator going to take a punch? It's like loading down a battery on a car. Can you put a load on it, will it still start or not? Like putting the lights on to start the car. That's what this thing is doing. So it's increased voltage and a spike. Can the game handle it? Well, what it does, it's adding more load to that 5 volts it's going to give. Will it suck down the five volts? How much will it suck it down? It shouldn't only suck it down a little bit. Not in half. It's sucking it in half. So it stays at five. So instead of it being a pint, it's a gallon. Well, like power. A little bit and then a lot. Yeah. You're adding. That load? Well, you're loading. Basically, it's like turning the lights on, turning the stereo on on something. You're loading it down instead of just having nothing on the car. Of course. You're loading it up. So I put load onto it, you know. so then I said, okay, let's put my known good solid drive around my board in there and see what that'd do. 5.2 volts loaded up, 4.8 only drops a little bit. These games I think need a little over 4 I think to run I know the WBC needs 4.8 or 4.7, no 4.8 I think ballys need around 4-ish, maybe a little lower because I know that that bally was turning on with this defunct solid drive board So what was wrong with the solid-night driver board? I still don't know, because what I did with the solid-night driver board, I put a brand-new 5-volt rectifier in it, a 5-volt rectifier thing in there. Same thing. So what are you putting in the game, a new one? I am going to put – My question is going to be, how many new boards did you put in the Centaur? Just the MPU? No, just MPU and the power supply. Right. I'm going to put – I have plenty of well-restored working solid-night driver boards I can put in. So you've got originals. I got a room to put it in, and it's fine. But this one's just funky. So I even brought it to, you know, went to a party the other day. John Day was there. He's like, hey, John, here we go. What do you think of this board? And I said, well, I've done this. He said, well, you should have said, yeah, I changed that. Well, I think, well, maybe you bought the Chinese. They had some Chinese 323 rectifiers you might have bought a couple years ago. It's like, well, maybe. But then why is it the same? The one that was in there doing the same thing, the new Chinese quote-unquote one is? I don't know. So then he had some other ideas. Then he said use the new PU5 one you can have. I have a bunch of those. Throw that in there. So I haven't done anything because, you know, I'm so busy with other stuff. I don't feel like. You've got one on the shelf. I don't need to freaking do it. You know what? I'm going to say tag it for what I did for Future Rewards. When I have some time, tag it and bag it and put it somewhere else. I have plenty of boards to choose from. So I'm not wasting any more time at this point. Is this a good time to segue and ask you about the party the other day? Yeah, go ahead. Sure. Well, let me tell you. You went to Mike's house. I could not go. I was in Virginia. That's upcoming. So what happened other than Feast, which is always good? Did you guys do a tournament? Did you play dollar games? Or did you just, like we always do, procrastinate, procrastinate, and then play? And just play. Give the boy a cigar. How come? Every time. It never fails. How come we never, ever? I'll tell you what. Now, here's the thing. Well, Mike doesn't like to play in tournaments. No, no, no, no, no. Mike wanted to do some kind of tournament. Mike said, well, we can do a tournament on Galaxy. Because John just finished a Galaxy restoration. We talked about that. For the CPR. We're going to have... Do we want to talk about that now, or do we want to talk about that in an upcoming show with him? You can allude to it. I can allude to it. So we're going to play a tournament on the Galaxy. We want to just kind of just play in a couple games on it. But it was like herding cats. And John was saying to me, hey, Dave, you run really good tournaments. You do that really good match play one where the computer picks a game and you match up people. But I was just in party mode. I was not in like – Yeah, you didn't want to play tournament directly. I didn't want to be – Because then you're playing – Then I'm working. Right. I don't want to be working. It's like, no, I don't mind someone else. Let's refresh. Yeah. For the people who are new to us, John Day is our resident pinball genius. he did Mike's Stars game with the new beehive thing that alien lady on there right the new play field but also the updated software help me brain no the thing that you put the board oh the board yeah so you make the game it can talk with the new help me no you don't know No, we don't use the board. That's why I don't really know what the heck it is. Right, but whoever the guy is that sells it. John loves that guy. Right, whatever it is. Yeah. That's what he did with this guy. And it has a whole new rule set. So you can flip a switch. Whatever that thing is. Flip a switch, new rules, new light show. We are so on. New. Ah, it's all right. People like that, except for those two guys. But they're not here anymore. They left a long time ago. Oh, we've talked a lot about pinball. Not good enough, George. He needs more pinball. Okay. Okay? so he can go and do that whatever he's going to do so you didn't play a tournament no but that's his latest game and we should we should give it fair shrift with John did John did you talk to John again and ask him if he'll come on the show oh he's waiting anytime yeah anytime yeah we both find time to do it yeah do you have any other stories um let's see oh Pintastic Pintastic I'm going to ask you to hold off on that. All right, we'll hold off on that. Anything else as far as repairs? Because this is the What's Up Docs segment. And we still are there, aren't we? Right, for like, what, a half an hour? Yeah, I think so. Good. Right, right. So, pinhead, shut up. That's the guy who... I have a really good viewer mail or listener mail thing, but I cannot find it right now, but I will find it for our next show and play it. And I didn't look at our mail. Because you know what? it's going to be a really good counterpoint to that not so good listener mail. I have one that says, that's saying our praises about, I love that long show you had. I love how you guys not just don't talk about pinball. I love when you talk about other things. He loves almost a variety show of it. So I guess someone who loves that. So for every left there's a right. For every on there's an off. Yeah. I'd say there's more ons than offs. Okay, we have a lot of ons. Yeah. Okay, so you're done. Yes. Oh, well, Oh, there's the thank you. There's a nice thank you call from, I'll play a little bit of it. So I got this nice, you know, remember I did the pro bono work there for the guy? Oh, the veterans. No, no, that's the veteran. This guy is like, he's had a lot of health problems. Oh, this isn't the guy up in New Hampshire. Yeah, Lethal Weapon 3. The New Hampshire guy. Yeah. I'm weird. Yeah, I went up to him, right? Again. No, just the second time. And I fixed his problem. I told you about what his problem was. Yeah, we hit the fix last time. Right. So then I got a call from him. I was on site. Oh, okay. I thought you went again. No, no, no, no. You were going to say something nice. Yeah, yeah. So let's hear it. I need something nice. So I think I'm on site with a laser war. And then all of a sudden I see him calling. It's like, oh. And I'm always thinking. I'm always going there and saying, oh, no, now what's wrong? Oh, boy. It's something. And I didn't want to get into it because I'm concentrating on getting this machine done. I want to get it done in Boston and get out of there. I'm going to call him later. I'll listen to the voicemail later. You were under the gun. I was under the gun. Oops. Yeah, so, yeah. Bang, bang. So let's see. Let's see here. I'm sorry. You're sorry. Don't be sorry. It's okay. You have 16. 16, right? Oh, boy. Go ahead. First safe voice. Here he is. I think this is him. Good afternoon, David. God bless you. This is Richard in Ware. I just called to say thank you so much again. We've been having so much fun with the pinball. Oh, thank God. ...ball machine, and my grandkids have enjoyed it so much, and it was a great weekend. You know, I'm using it right now, but I thought it would be nice to give you a call and say thank both of you so much for spending the time to come and help me. God bless you. I know you have that checked for... So anyway, I got the check. I have the check. It's not in the mail. It's not in the mail. I have the check. So yeah, nice guy, and I'm glad he's happy and glad he's got a game to play. Okay. That works. Oh, and he's going to donate to Project Pinball. Oh, another thing. He wanted to know because he knows he's not going to be around forever, and he wants to donate this game once he's passed on to a children's hospital. So I said, well, so I gave him the number for Project Pinball. Oh, there you go. So that's going to be donated to Project Pinball. Somebody who's affiliated with them hears this. Exactly. Good. Yeah. Okay. That's the feel-good part of the show. Okay. All right. My turn. But you're going to have to wait a minute. All right, we'll wait. Well, I've been away three weeks. I know. I went to Virginia again, and I did a little homework. But I'm doing the tease. Okay. We have a new segment. All right. I don't know where we're going to implement this. It might be every game you do. when you do a repair, the name of this segment is going to be called Like It or Spike It. Okay. Pretty self-explanatory, right? Yeah. You either like the game or you're ready to do a Todd Tucky and toss it off a roof. For those who have been living under a rock for the last three weeks, and Dave and I are always late to the party, unfortunately. Dave, are you aware that there's not one new pinball there's not two new pinballs there's not three new pinballs there are four new pinballs first I want to thank our friend in Australia for Grant for tipping us off on Pulp Fiction I had no idea until he sent the picture so that's number one I'm getting sorry to buy another new game for you. No, I didn't. Let me do this now. Remember, folks, this is Like It or Spike It, the special edition. So, the second game, we talked about it in our last issue. Our last issue. Our last podcast. The Godfather. You heard me crawling about Godfather of Harlem and other, you know, gangster games. and whatever else. So that's one. Whatever. He hates everybody and everything. He hates everything. Galactic Tank Force, number three. And number four, Foo Fighters. So for all of you people, I'm hoping I get this out this week, for all of you people going to the Texas Pinball Festival, my guess is you will probably see and be able to play these if you're willing to wait in those half-hour to 40-minute lines, depending on how many of these they have. Well, there's so many out there, so many things to choose from, there's not going to be that big a line because there's plenty of things to choose from, right? Well, we had two different games when we went to Allentown two years ago. We had to wait 40 minutes to play Guns N' Roses. And Valhalla, the... No, what was the other one? Not Halloween, the Halloween dupe. The Kaiju Rumble? No. Is that what it's called? the Japanese anime one. I don't even remember the name of it. Birdman? No. Thunder Charts. No. No, whatever. Whatever that game is. The sister game to Halloween. Same game, different theme. But it doesn't matter. You don't care. You don't care anyway. So here we go. So in the future, we're only going to do single games. Like it or spike it? Foo Fighters. Spike. Galactic Tank Force I think like it I'm thinking I saw a picture Godfather Spike Pulp Fiction definitely like it like what I see so far wow I would have said maybe Galactic Tank Force but I thought wow Pulp Fiction really yeah yep I like Tarantino Tarantino is an old school guy like us he doesn't even have his I think he has them as cell phone. You have to actually contact him by carrier pigeon or mail or something. He doesn't want any DMV in his game. He wanted all old school. He wanted LED or plasma. He wanted plasma. He said, we don't have those. We have LED that look like plasma. Okay, I'll go with that. He wanted the layout of the game and how the head. You keep talking because I going to tell you something and you going to be like no way I not going to tell you online right now Oh Because I want everybody to listen Okay Dave is just finding this out. Dave, I wasn't idle on my – it's not a vacation. You met Tarantino? No. Oh, all right. No, but I have a Tarantino story with someone. I took the liberties of doing an interview without you. how dare you well I listened to the old interview and I did most of the talking so I figured I'd just do it again can you guess who I interviewed this will be his third time I don't think other than PJ I don't think we've had anybody Keith Campanella from Pinbrew Fest I called Keith up and I said hey Keith it's that time of year do you want to be on I feel obligated because we've done it the other two years the whole small business thing so we did an interview so stay tuned folks I have an interview with Keith Campanelli he's going to talk about Pimbroofest a lot of really cool things that are happening so tease that's one here's another one I showed Dave the pictures I happened to go to Ashburn, Virginia when I was down visiting my son I went last Saturday, and Ashburn, Virginia is the data center of the world. I went down this block where Lost Rhino Brewery is, and if there weren't a dozen, there were 21 million square feet data centers on this one street. They're growing their data centers by a million square feet every three months. The town is humming, literally. Literally. So, I went to this brewery unannounced. They were having a pre, they were calling it their St. Patrick's Day party, but brilliant. I interviewed the owner, Matt. Matt's a smart guy. He threw a St. Patrick's Day party on Friday, or on a Saturday before the Friday St. Patrick's Day, knowing that he was going to have everybody at his place anyway on Friday. So it's kind of like having two St. Patrick's Days instead of one and hauling in all the money that goes along with it. I was there at 1030 in the morning. I couldn't bring myself to drinking beer at 1030 in the morning. But there were people eating breakfast and drinking beer at 1030 in the morning. Now, the skeptics are out there, why are you telling us this, George? You're talking about beer again. Well, yes, but they also have pinball. So you're going to have to wait. After we're done here, you're going to hear a segment that I recorded with Matt. And then I did a walkthrough like I did when I was down in Delray Beach. So that's one of the things I did. I also interviewed Keith. Listen to that. That's another thing I did. But I also went to another brewery. And after we're done and we go downstairs, we can have a sample of a beer. Not so sure you're going to like. Is it better than that grapefruit crap I gave you? Oh, my God. I thought you were trying to poison me. It's called grippa, I think, right? Grippa? That's what you get if you drink it. You get the grippa. Oh, grapefruit. Hey, can we offer some kind of prize for the best beer? I don't want to say bad things. It's really nice that somebody gives you beer. The only thing I can figure out is, does this guy work for Cisco Brewers? No, what happened is he actually rented space to a liquor store that went out of business, and they left, and he left a bunch of this stuff behind. So why didn't he give you the good stuff, like some bourbon or some tequila? I don't know. That's all he had was this stuff. Well, there's a reason why. They grabbed everything else, and they said, yeah, we don't have enough. I was wondering why he had a wall full of these cases of beer for some reason. That's wondering. So anyway, the second brewery I went to is Ocelot Brewery, nearby, like seven or eight minutes away. Another great brewery. That's where this danger zone is. I did not meet anybody there. I didn't meet, I shouldn't say that. I did meet somebody I played a game with, this guy Mike from Pennsylvania. Just happened to be sitting there at the table. We were, he asked, hey, can we sit down, sat down, started talking. Newbie. games he had. Cactus Canyon, a brand new one and I'm sorry Mike, I don't remember. But we'll see him in Allentown. He's going to be in Allentown. So I know he'll find us when we're there. So I did that. So you'll hear that interview as well. So after this ends, we have three segments. We have Lost Rhino Brewery. We have Ocelot Brewery. And we have the Pin Brewfest interview with Keith Campanelli. Speaking of that, I've been remiss with Scott. Scott reached out to me several weeks ago saying, Which Scott? Scott... Scott... No, no, no. You don't have to use his name. You know, Scott... Scott with the board. Scott with the... No, Scott with the Halloween guy. With his wife. They're like Halloween. Oh, Scott... Oh, up in Rochester. Yeah, I know his last name, but I don't want to give it up. Yeah, yeah. Scott from Rochester. Yeah. Right. Yeah, so we sent him an email several months, well, not a month ago, several weeks ago. Hey, do you have an extra Stingray Backglass? And I go, I think I do. I think most of them are spoken for with games, but I have an extra one. I'm not sure. I'll try to find it, but I have yet to really hunt and look for it. So sorry, Scott. I will still look for that and get you that. I also, in passing, I sold a Project Pinbot. I listed, memorized the last show. I said I had a Project Pinbot and a Project Ice Beam. Oh, yeah, you listed a bunch of games, like three or four games. You sold some of them? Yeah, one of our nice listeners, Dave, who's a local guy. You know, he's – Because you know Dave before Dave? Yeah, yeah. He fixes my stair equipment and so forth. Oh, that guy. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, nice guy. So him and his wife, the wife loves PinBot, so they came by and picked up the project PinBot. I still owe him. So he was going to repair it. He's going to do it, yeah. Well, if he repairs – Yeah, he wants the project. Oh, he can do it. Yeah, no problem. And so I told him, it's like, when I picked it up, it was a working PinBot. So it should still be working. It's complete, but I don't know. Your miles may vary, but it's definitely fixable. It doesn't matter. You sold it as a project. That's what it is. Pinfest is coming soon. We're going to talk about that in a second. Hold it. Calm down. I got someone in the booth in my ear selling something to me. Sorry, the pinfest. I might cheat you. All right, there we go. We're there. Pinfest is the one in Pennsylvania. That's Allentown. Right. I call it the Allentown show. Yeah, sorry. Everybody knows what that is. I haven't looked at our show email in two weeks. Okay. So if you sent me something, I'm sorry, you're not going to be in the show. I'm going to make a promise to everybody. If you do send me an email, I promise not to make fun of you. I'll just read it like a broadcaster. I won't comment. I won't judge. because I think everybody, we talked about this in the last show, I think everybody's afraid to send me email. They're not afraid to send me email. No, I think they are. I know. George, why don't you offer them a free case of Cisco grippa beer? I'll give you a grippa. I'll give you the grip when I see you, and that won't be a handshake. I'll give you the grip. Oh, I should bring that. Yeah, you should. And some cups and say, okay, we'll do an online poll. Right. I'll probably get doused in it so we got that George's Promise but here's the most important thing and I had to explain this talked about it when we first started my nephew Bren I said Bren is the opening really corny he goes no I love that but I don't think I've ever told anybody on this show and I meant to do it in our 100th but got tongue-tied or distracted or just plain out forgot. That segment or that hello day is copied from a weatherman that used to work in New Jersey called Lloyd Lindsey Young. And his shtick was, for the 10 or 11 o'clock news, he would hold his hand up to his ear as if he was listening, right? Okay. And he would yell, hello, Paramus. And then he would do the Carl Weathers forecast for Paramus. So that was his shtick. So I thought, I've got to have some kind of corny opening. I'll just steal the hello thing and just put your name at the end. So that's how the opening of the show was born. I had something else to report about the opening. Remember that weird orchestral thing that would lead up to and it would go bang at the end? No longer available because my feed that I do all this on, Anchor, is no longer. It's now called Spotify for Podcasters. So I lost that sound clip. Wonderful. They've added some features. And the one feature they added, and I'm going to ask people to please comment, the piece that I recorded with Keith Campanelli from Pinbrew Fest was done on that app. So I'm interested to hear what people thought of it. Basically, all I can do is take a telephone number, call somebody on my cell phone, they answer on their cell phone, and we record it. So he's using a cell phone, I'm using a cell phone to record his interview. Okay. I thought it sounded okay but we'll let the audience decide just sometimes you need to do it in order to talk to somebody so I did that what else do I have I have a whole animal section but I'll save that I know how much everybody loves me talking about birds and weasels and raccoons and woodpeckers I have I have a really good one. Grant, you're going to love it. Go ahead. No, no, no, no. Oh, you want to tease. I'm all about the tease. Right. Oh, I got to remember what it was. Oh, I know, George. So, what is a dentist's favorite musical instrument? I don't know. What? A tuba toothpaste, George. Tuba toothpaste. Okay. What's the... I have my joke, and everybody's probably heard it. What's a Chinese dentist's favorite time? I don't know, George. Tooth hurdy. Oh, it's worse than mine. Oh, it's worse than mine. I can't believe it. Yes. Now, this is a perfect segue. They were talking about this on the news this morning, about how dad jokes are, like, really good with your kids. They figure that if you're with a bunch of people and you tell these dad jokes in front of the kids, that it builds up their embarrassment. So they're not embarrassed in the future. Right. Because dad is making it up. Dad took the hit. Dad took the hit for you. Right. I have another one. What do you call a manufacturer that makes okay products? I don't know, George. What do you call a manufacturer of okay products? A satisfactory. A satisfactory. I don't know. I don't know, George. We don't get it over here. An okay... If I have to explain it... Oh, boy. Oh. Okay. Yowza. Okay, now that we lost... Half the half we already lost. Half. I think we lost two-thirds. This is going to be at the end. I'm going to do George's other stuff before. Anyway. Go ahead. Pintastic. Well, actually, what about Pinfest first? Because it's coming up soon. What about it? Are we going to talk about Pin Fest or Pin Fest? Allentown or Pin Fest? I could talk about both. Go ahead. What do you got? Let's go Allentown first. Okay. So Allentown, so I decided to, yeah, my two buds that are going out there, usually, you know, they bring some games and sometimes they bring some extras that they can get Maureen and myself in. Dave loves the cheap LEDs. No, no, that's Jerry. Oh, Jerry Bull. Jerry Bull. But I say Dave. Dave is his friend. Okay. They got a booth. They get a booth this time. Is that what we're going to talk about? They get a booth. But these don't get a booth. So this time they get a booth, so now it's just they're buying the booth, so they're two in. So what are you selling at the booth? There's no room at the inn. What are you selling at the booth? So I'm not doing anything at the booth. Well, I could sell something, but I would figure, you know, I'd want to have to offer the money to be able to sell something at the booth because, you know, because they're putting money into it. So I said, no, I wasn't going to go there. I could do it, but no. I decided to go what's behind door number three and say, you know, I brought a game one time to an Allentown tournament years ago. I did. I bought a Joker poker years ago. Okay. This time, I reached out to Levi, Crazy Levi, who runs the tournament. Oh, you heard back from him? I did. Yeah. Oh, because I have some news around that, too. Okay. Go ahead. You first. All right. So I said, hey, I'd really like to bring in game. I got a beautiful restored Gottlieb pinball pool, System 1. That's all restored. It has a Pascal board in it, mint shape, and could use one for your tournament. He goes, oh, definitely, that's an awesome candidate for doing a tournament on. I'd love that game for a tournament. Great. I said, okay, can we do something with, you know, getting this thing. Get me in early on Thursday so I can get all the deals before everybody else. Yeah, yeah, we can definitely do that. It's like, cool, good. We get a deal. So, yeah, so that's going to be great. So now I can have it in the lineup there. And I want to have the pros play it and not so much being in the peanut gallery. So, you know, let's play for protector on it and they can have at it. And when I was that, so that's going to be great to be done. And I'd love to get behind the mic again, jump behind the mic and do that, especially with my game there. It would be kind of cool to comment on it and that kind of thing. Hopefully we can jump behind the mic again. So we had talked about this. I don't know if it's still relevant, but Mark with a C, who does... Mark Pattenhude. I don't have the class. I just talked about him the other day. You talked to him. No, I want to. I talked to Pentastic. You talked to him. No. Oh. I was watching him. He's been on a couple of times recently for Arcadia up in Portland. Okay. There were a couple of tournaments that he was doing the video for. so I asked and somebody emailed back I got a bunch of his name Derek he goes by the handle of you asked about our idea? no no no I asked him how do I get in touch with Mark because we couldn't figure out where he was he's got a whole website I found that too I've had it for a week I just haven't seen you anyway Anyway, now we know how to get a hold of him. Good. And we'll see him, obviously, in a month or six weeks, whenever it is. Yeah, because I've got a possible plan. I want to see if that's going to work out. But I talked to Bells and Chimes while I was at the fantastic roundtable the other day. We were checking out the new hotel in Marlborough yesterday. Tell us what you saw. So, yeah, it's a nice venue. Did you happen to see your friend Dave Marston? Yes, he was there. Do you have anything to say? No, it's fine. No one gave me any gruff about the show. No, not there at all. Cool. I actually went to dinner with them all. I went to dinner with Gabe and Dave and a couple other people. Brian. Brian's the guy who always brings a, you know. Do I know Brian? No, you see me. He has white hair. He brought the Lost in Space that time. Oh, that guy. He always does a custom game. No, no, no. I know who you're talking about. He makes custom toppers and custom other stuff he does that he's been selling a lot of. He does some nice work. He sources all the stuff. He's a little John Day genius type. So maybe we should... Interview him. Maybe. Yeah. Okay. Oh, yeah, definitely. And also, he listens to our podcast. He listens to our show. Hello, Brian. Hey, Brian. Brian, I know who you are because of the game. I don't remember what you look like, but I remember the game. He has droplets. triplets. Three triplets. Girls. That's what three is. I'll extend the invitation formally. We'd like to have you on our podcast. Okay? Alright. The hotel. Oh, when can we make reservations? Now. Okay. I think it's 1.45 at night. What's the place again? Best Western? Best Western. Okay. Do you know the date? It's right next to the... Do you remember the date? It's right next to... No, it's right next to... It's next to the very... Fantastic.com? No, the very good Western is next door. This is the best Western. The very good is down the street. Just so you know. Boy, it's really bad. So everybody's wondering. Just come clean. Yeah. September 7th through the 10th. No. Yeah. It's later than that. September 7th through 10th. I thought it was the end of the month. No. I think it was, but they changed it. September 7th through 10th. I have a card. You have a card, too. Look at the card. See that? new card for you, George. Oh, thank you. Okay, so let me do it then. Dave Morrison, start liking me again. Pintastic Pinball, the Game Room Expo. September 7th through 10th, 2023 at the Beth Western Royal Plaza Hotel, 181 Boston Post Road West, U.S. Route 22 in Marlboro, Mass. Route 22? Oh, Route 20. Oh, boy. You messed up his spot. U.S. Route 20. Pardon me. www.pintasticnewengland.com spelled out for more information over 200 pinball machines VIP gaming area full bar with local craft beers entertainment for kids vendor hall and flea market serious casual and youth tournaments women's tournament and special guest speakers and seminars pad sponsors coin takers stern marco boston bells warntown brewery okay there's a good one Project Pinball, Color GMD, Pin Graphics, The Sanctum, S&H Pinball Club, Electronic Pinball, whatever the hell that is, Western Mass, Titan Pinball, thank God, they're coming, Tilt Graphics, and the Pinball Co-op. I don't know what those are, but you can find more information, like I said, at pintasticnewengland.com. Anything else? And yes, what? I got that covered. Yes, here it comes. So anyway, thank you. A Rush Band. No. A Dungeon Roses Band. No. We've already done that. ABBA. ABBA's close. No, it's not Abbott. Abbott. It's Journey, a new Journey band. I'm just kidding. It's not Journey. It's Journey. I love Journey. We're going to go see a Journey band. You know they have a new lead singer again. I know. The little Vietnamese guy quit. That guy's gone. Yeah, well, no one really cared for him anyway. But they got a new guy. I just heard. I'll go see. We're going to actually see. I only listen because I know you like them. We're going to see a guy. Who is? I'm seeing a guy who's just liking and sounds like him in June in Plymouth. So what's the name of the band? It's called Voyage. What's the name of the band? This band is not Journey. There's no Journey band for the contestant. I'm just razzing you. So have they already told? Yes, I got the whole deal. Are you allowed to tell us? Yeah. Okay, so tell us. It's going to go with the game. Oh, it's going to be Foo Fighters. Correctamundo. Foo Fighters. Do you know what Foo Fighters means? Don't look in your phone. No, I'm getting something. Okay. I have a name for it already, but you first. I have a nickname for Foo Fighters. But do you know why they came up with the term Foo Fighters? Do you know why they turned it into... I have no idea. Foo Fighters, Foo is UFO aliens. They're fighting aliens, Foo Fighters. Oh, that's why you've got to build a robot in the game. Probably. No, no, no, not probably. You have to build a robot as part of the game. It's a whole story. It's not your Rushmobile game that... Right. I have noticed that. I don't really care for Foo Fighters. There goes my hero. There goes my hero. I have one Foo Fighters song on my iTunes list. Let me see if I can find it. But I was going to say something else. I don't like Dave Grohl. I know you don't. I'm not a fan of him at all. Now I forget what I was going to say. He's a jerk. He's not coming. He's not coming. So, do you know this song, Wasting Light? I'm familiar. Okay, that's right. It's called Walk. Like, walk away from his band? Or run away. Okay, so we just lost the half of the half of the half. So what does that give us? 12%? Something like that. You're going math. You know about investments. Right. So 50, 25, 12. We're down to 12. Just put it in ones and hundreds. George can count those. So Foo Fighter tribute band, really good. I like how Gabe is keeping this band thing going. Every time he does a show, he does a band. It's something different. No one else that I know of really does this. You know another place that does it? Yes. Who? Even more so. He's the guy who came up with it. Who? Keith. Houston Arcade Expo. Oh. What is he? Keith's got it. Well, this year, we're going to go. Janice and I are going to go this year. We're going to do our cross-country tour. What time is that? When is that? This is November. Just two weeks or a week before Thanksgiving. You're going to drive there? Yeah. Wow. In a RV? We'll probably get our Pacifica. Your Pacifica. Yeah. I mean, Houston, Texas. That's like driving. You're driving. He has, forgive me, I'll get it for the next show. He has these two women who are harp, like not harmonica, like harp. Yeah, okay. Like harp-o-marks. Yeah, right. Like harp. Sure, yeah. I think they're called the harp twins, actually, if I remember. and they're one of the musical guests they have. But Keith, the guy who does the show, has his own band. And Keith, his whole deal is it's a pinball party. It's not. Yeah, I like it. They have great tournaments. People in Texas, you've heard me talk about it. I also did a show on this four years ago when we first started. So if you want to hear that, Keith's a great host. That's a great place. So, yes, Keith's the one who started it. I forget how many years he's done this, but it's a great idea. So how are the games he has there, old school, new school, everything? Keith has, the next time I'm there, and Keith, if you hear this or hear it through somebody, he's invited me to his house. I think he told me he's got 100 games in his barn. Wow. He usually brings a bunch of stuff. We'll have it. Go back and listen to the episode. I'm sure he, again, I haven't listened to it in three or four years. How long are you going to stay there for? A week? Yeah, probably. Is it a week driving and a week staying? No, no, no. That's just the best part. Depending on where we live, I can drive eight hours to Virginia. I can drive and stay with my son. I can drive another 12 hours and stay outside of Memphis in Germantown with my sister-in-law. And then maybe one night in between before we hit Houston. But I think we can make Houston in one day. I think it's like eight hours. So we're going to kind of hopscotch and bobble up a couple of people. So if you go down to Virginia, stay there. From Virginia to Houston is how long a day? I think it's 20-something hours. But in between, we're going to stop in Memphis at Janice and Sister. So it's like hopscotch, hopscotch, hopscotch. We're there. And we're going to go to – I'm going to go to Corkscrew. Say it again. Food. Corkscrew BBQ in Spring, Texas there's a forgive me, it's all in that episode there's a pinball place there 10 bucks, you play all day, it's great Do you want to hear about animals? Before the animals, one more thing about the pinball place they're also going to have two bands they're going to have the Foo Fighters tribute band and they're going to have a heavy metal horns, I think they do Oh no way, the real heavy metal? No, no, no, no, no. I was going to say. Like a brass horn thing that does like video game sound. Oh, this is the band they were supposed to have last year. It didn't work out. I was looking forward to these guys. It's got to be kind of your favorite music, like marching band music. Oh, boy. Isn't that one of those? I'm guessing you didn't watch much Kyle's basketball this past week. Oh, God. Oh, make it stop. Oh, I hate that. Okay. You ready for some animal stories? Go ahead. Okay. I'm sure the two guys at left are. Okay. Well, I promise this to everybody. I promise that as we get closer, I'd start doing these when you visit the Boston, right? I kind of scrambled this morning to find something, but I heard it on the way down here. A woman has a parrot, and the Carl Weathers, I guess, has been okay the last couple of days. So she wanted to give Polly a little fresh air. So she opens the window where Polly has her cage or perch, and I think it was a perch. Well, Hootie the owl was sitting in a tree outside, and Hootie didn't want the cracker. No, he wanted Polly. He wanted Polly. Oh, yeah, that's a predator. That's like a hawk. So the lady had to beat off... Oh, wait, George, hold on. Where are we going there? She had to extricate... Okay, better. The owl from Polly, Polly made it. Polly made it. Polly made it. All right, good for you, Polly. But that's not my best animal story. Okay. This was sent to me by our good friend... Oh, I just got rid of it. Dang it. I can describe it. So he was up in Darwin, Australia on vacation. Oh, yeah. Yep. Have you ever heard of the Cage of Death? No. This is an attraction in Darwin. Okay. Can you guess what it is? Two animals enter, one animal leaves? No. you enter a cage and they drop you into a pond filled with alligators crocodiles and you know how stupid we are crocodile done remember we had this conversation that we're trying to figure out we're a little slow on the outside so why would I want to do this in a cage with live crocodiles I'm not becoming chicken, dude. This is on top of the, remember the pole with the chicken on the end? Do I get steel pants to wear or a freaking suit of armor? There is no way. What do I get out of this? Fear? For real? Fear? I don't think so. Well, people go in the shark thing and go in the water. I guess people like horror movies, but this is the next step. I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't do it either. But this is attractive. I'll take it as roller coaster. So Darwin is an interesting place. Sounds like freaking Death Trap, man. I don't know. Okay, let me see. The same kids that are huffing paint and doing boxing matches on the thing on the boardwalk there. They can probably do this instead. No, that's not on the boardwalk. That's just right out on the beach. That sounds like a lot of fun. It's like a schoolyard fight. Yeah, it takes you... Except they actually bring, you know, Borg and some boxing gloves. And some drugs. You take a whole big thing of drugs and you suck that down and start boxing? With the frickin' amphetamines and some paint huff? I'm guessing you never... Did you ever go to Spring Break? No. Never did. Okay. The Girls Gone Wild, though, guy, he'd gone to Spring Break several times. Now he's in trouble. Remember, I'm old. So I went to Spring Break in the 70s. Like I said, it was keg stands, drinking beer, and chasing girls. Although, one night at the Button, for those of you who are older and may have gone to Fort Lauderdale, one of the guys from my school, hockey player, jumped up on stage with the band. Naked. No, worse. It did what I would call an Iggy Pop. He took a beer bottle, broke it, then proceeded to take the broken glass and slice his chest up while on stage. Yes. And why would he do that for? Attention. Okay. Was he drunk? Yes. That's what it used to be like back in the 70s. That was an outlier. I have never seen anything quite like that. Boxing sounds a little tame now. Okay. I think that concludes what I have. Do you have anything else there? Oh, we're going to go downstairs, too. Yes. Okay. And we're going to try that beer I brought. Oh, that's a good one. Do you have something to add? I do. Where am I adding this? This would be, okay, so we, so future news. the future is now. So, I got a call from a Connecticut customer who has three games working on a fourth one coming in. He wants me to work on all three games. I said, well, it usually takes me one day apiece to really go through each game, so I'm going to be there for several days. So, I told him what's going to happen. Oh, he's cool with that. It's like an hour and a half, hour and 15 to get there. That's a lot of driving to put miles in the car. Then I got another customer who called me who was also 40 minutes from him. He's in Connecticut. I said, hey, can you guys try to get them both in the same week? Which I did. Then I found an Airbnb nearby, a nice Airbnb. Now we're going to turn into a Connecticut vacation in the area and stay there and do some work. I'll ask, where in Connecticut are you going on vacation? Enfield. at his old 1822 schoolhouse converted where is Enfield that is like go to what's the rollercoaster park go to Agawam and go south maybe 20 miles so south on 91 so above Hartford yes above Hartford ok so we'll wait for that anything else anything else more I have a question it goes back to our like it or spike it section what did you like about Galactic Tank Force and I have a little bit to add to the tank piece well Gabe showed me a picture of it of the stupid side art with the tin treads the tin tank treads that get attached to the side to make it look like a tank. I'm guessing that's going to be an add-on. Yeah, you can, well, no, it comes with the LE or the CE. They actually have four different ones. Two with it, so there's four models. Right, and it's also going to have the turret on top and everything else. The turret on top? Not a turd, a turret. Oh, I said a turd. That's a whole other kind of topic. A turret, you know, with the bang-bang on it? Yes. Okay. That's supposed to fold down and make the thing look like a tank. You haven't seen that picture, I guess. Oh, you can fold it up. You fold the whole thing up. No. No. Put the turret on the back of the backbox. Okay. When you fold the backbox down, the turret will be there with the tank treads on the side, and the pinball machine will look like a tank. Okay. Go out and look at the picture. I think I've seen it. Okay. Well, I don't know if anybody has any interest in this, but my buddy Dave down in Virginia, at the end of August, I'm going to go to the tank farm. Okay. Once a year. You're going to go ride a tank and shoot the gun? Not quite. That was the first question I asked. Yeah, can I shoot the gun? No, I asked, can I drive the tank? Yeah. No, you can get a ride in it, and they'll take you around and drive you around in an antique tank. No, it's on a farm. So they have all military vehicles and whatever else. I don't know what it is. Can you crush a car with it? I don't know. I'll let you know. I'm just throwing it out there. At the end of August, I'm going to be going to Tank Fest or the Tank Farm or whatever they call this thing. So I'm looking forward to that. It kind of fits with the Galactic Tank Force thing. Ah, yes. But here's the adder that I liked. I'm reading the description that my buddy sends me. They're going to have flamethrower demonstrations. That sounds like fun. Right. That's right up my alley. That is fun. Flamethrowers. I'm wondering if they're going to do some kind of fireworks display. That might check all the boxes, right? That would check all the boxes for you, and I'm ready to go, too. We can both drive it together. Okay. We can't drive it, though. I don't know. I'll let you know. I'll let you know. You can just watch. So we're going to get downstairs? We're going to get downstairs. The other day, though, so I had this thing. I had this thing off in the middle of the night. I had this. Where is it? Where can it be? Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard. I had an alarm that was going off. Dr. Howard, Dr. Fine, Dr. Howard. Oh, they got me. That was the same thing I had. I had an alarm going off. going home from Mike's here, from Mike's, went to bed around midnight. Alarm was going off in the house around 1.30. They're like going off, and then it went away. It's like, what the fuck's going on? I didn't smell any smoke. Went downstairs, and I found the fire alarm thing. It's probably this one. And I took it out, and then I tried, it won't come apart, the battery out, because it's sealed. And it said, if you ruin this compartment, you will turn it off permanently. You cannot redo it. So it's like, okay, I don't believe it. I was over 10 years old. So I did that. Then it started going off again. And it's like, as far as like that. Oh, in the middle of the night you had the. Yeah, yeah. It was just going off. But it wasn't doing. Oh, you never had that happen before? No. No, it was going off like it was just like an alarm. So I basically took it out like these guys, like three students were taking it out. Where is it coming from? They have to shoot it. It wouldn't stop. So I freaking tore it apart and pulled the lithium battery out. I tested the lithium battery. It's still three volts. So there's still plenty of power in the battery. So I don't know. Planned obsolescence. I think so. I had it happen to me one night as well. You know, sound sleep. Yeah. Then it's like, okay, which one is it? Right. So on the second floor of my house, I think there's three of them. It wasn't the one in the bedroom where I was. It was in one of the other bedrooms. Not only did I have to replace one, I had to replace them all because I replaced the one. The other one started. I might have forgotten. 10 or 16 or whatever it was, I'm like, I don't want to be woken up again. I ripped them all out. I put all new ones in. How often do you do it? 10 years? Every 8 to 10 years. Okay. The other thing that happens with them, again, see, we're talking about homes. Yeah, but people want to do things. They have the little dust thing in there. Yeah. And the dust thing gets corrupted. Yeah. So you can take a little paintbrush. Okay. I wouldn't use a vacuum cleaner because you'd probably trash it. That dust thing, that's probably due to so much dust in the house, that's where it hit. That's where it was. Yeah, it's one or the other, but it's going to happen again. It's too late now. In eight or ten years, just take it and get the new one. I shot the thing. Right, yeah. So it's done. Okay, that concludes this portion. We're going to go down in the basement. Have a tasty beverage to wash this down with. You'll like what the, I don't know if you'll like the beer, but you'll like the can of the beer. Okay. Danger zone. Think long and hard. Danger zone. Oh, it sounds like Maverick. Right? Oh, look at you, mister. In fact, I'm surprised that's not a machine coming out. Maverick Top Gun. I think they're going to do one of those, actually. Do you think he's... I think so. He's ready for that? I think so. Yep. Oh, look at that. It looks like the guy from... Oh, it's a cartoon guy. It looks just like him. Archer. It looks like Archer from that cartoon show. Oh, Danger Zone. That's pretty good, though, right? Yeah. Cool thing is, I mentioned Ocelot Brewing. And there he is, Ocelot. Right, but they also have another brewery that's next time, sister brewery called Solus. Which is a great movie, by the way. They also have pinball as well. Okay. And there's another place I'm going to go called Mustang Sally's. That's another pinball place. So all you people in Virginia that keep asking, contact me via our email. theclassicpinballpodcast1 at gmail.com Next time I'm down there, I'm definitely going to tournament night someplace. They have them at every one of these locations. So, I don't know what night, but email me and maybe we'll get together. So, these pubs you're going to, these brew pubs, No, these are breweries. I didn't even tell you the other brewery I went to. So, do they have all Stern Central stuff, or do they have But also some old school as well. You're going to have to listen or go out to the websites, because I don't want to go through them all now because I don't remember, but I go through the lineup at each place. No, the one that I played at Lost Rhino, the oldest game they had was Captain Fantastic for a quarter. Okay. Everything was a buck or under at both places, even for the new games. And I don't want to give it away, but I did happen to play the two newest games. Well, not the newest, newest games, but the newest games. I played Bond, the LE version, and I played Scooby-Doo. You played Scooby-Doo? Yeah. Okay. And? Not so good. if you have, again, you know, we're the classic pinball podcast, but I'll just say this. The center shot, straight up the middle, will take you to the upper play field. On the upper play field, there's this thing called a bookcase, which is an actual diverter. I played the game two or three times, and I talked about this guy Mike that I met at Ocelot. I said Mike it wasn't a bad game I go but every time I shot it up the middle and it got to the upper play field it would just get on the habit trail and just go back down to the left flipper and you'd resume the game he goes George if you want to activate the bookcase you have to press the left flipper to activate it I go okay where on the game doesn't say that. Where's the call out that tells me, hey, dummy, you got the ball up top, press the left flipper, nowhere. So I played three games and just shoot this thing up the middle, it would come down the left side and feed the thing. So, it's okay. It's okay. It's okay. I gotta give it a little bit more time. Bond played nice, but again, I didn't. You know, I played it two or three times. Pulp Fiction's the game. That's gonna be the winner. I don't know. It's not a bad shooting game. It's just I didn't know enough about the game. But it shows promise. Now, would I go out and spend $15,000 on one? No. Or $13,000 or whatever it is? No. But it's okay. And, you know, everybody's heard. If you want to hear about all these games, go to the other podcasts. That's all I listened to when I was down in Virginia because that's all anybody was talking about. Was Bond? either Bond or Scooby or Foo Fighters or Godfighting you know, again you can only listen to so much of that so I'm hoping alternative programming again folks yeah, we can touch on a little bit of the new stuff and just keep one tone different they're not too good for our comments on it they're on my list I want to play all the new games I want to play Pulp Fiction well you're probably going to get a chance at Allentown would be my guess right? gotta be the Ellie's are all sold out from what I hear those are done there's a whole I bite my tongue because you gotta listen to the podcast I have news he told me a really good story about Pulp Fiction oh good I can't wait to hear it right but I'm not gonna tell it now I'm gonna tune in for this one right yeah like I tune in to your your YouTube broadcast yeah George you don't just my YouTube broadcast No, I don't. I don't. Anyway. You're missing out. How much did we? That's an hour and 30. Okay, so this is going to be a long one. Well, I actually proposed a little extra. An hour and 40. Okay. Send them to me. So I'll cut that. Hi, this is George. Saturday morning, March 11th. it's not even 11 o'clock yet, and I'm at the Lost Rhino Brewery. We're in Ashburn, Virginia. And you can hear in the background Irish music. They're celebrating St. Patrick's Day a few days early. But we're not here for just the festivity and frivolity. We're here to enjoy some pinball. Not only does Lost Rhino have their own micro group, they also have pinball. So in the next couple of minutes, we'll explore some of the games that are here and try to entertain everybody for a few minutes. I'm here in the arcade area where all the pinball machines are inside the Lost Rhino. Very cool. They're aging barrels of gear here. So you can see that all behind the pinball. So let me go through all the different machines that are here. Well, we've got a Rush. We've got a Monster Bash. 8-Ball Deluxe. Captain Fantastic, which I've already played with my wife. $775,000, a quarter of play. Pretty good. We've got Mandalorian. World Cup Soccer. Valley Game. Both of those are $0.75. So very, very reasonable. On the other wall we have the Change Machine, which we've already hit. The Slugfest. Looks like that's 50 cents a play. I'm going to have to definitely play that. We've got an Attack from Mars that looks like an original. A dollar a play on that. Here one we don see often I going to have to play it because so many people have talked about it a Valley NBA fast break for 75 cents And we got somebody on it looks like the new Cactus Canyon remake Hi, I'm back. I'm here with Matt, one of the principals and owners of Lost Rhino Brewery. He was kind enough to sit with me for a couple of minutes and talk about his brewery. Matt, welcome to the Classic Pinball Podcast. Thank you. Thank you. Glad to be here. I was telling Matt just before the recording that we go out to different places. I'm here with my wife, but we thought today out. Actually, I was going to go to one of his brethren in a nearby town, but I saw that he was having St. Patrick's Day. Matt, what a brilliant idea a two for one get them in on a weekend and then get them back here again on the 17th so unfortunately this is probably not going to air before St. Patrick's Day but you'll hear all about Matt's brewery so give us the elevator speech as I call it tell us how long you've been in business, your signature beer you know some of the things that might make your brewery a little bit different and distinct Sure, sure. So we've been here for, been in Loudoun County now for 12 years. We're celebrating our 12-year anniversary. We've been in the building for 13 years. Took a little bit of time to put the brewery together. We're very fortunate to buy the equipment off of Old Dominion Brewing Company, which was one of the pioneers in craft brewing as a whole. And they were right up the road here, about three miles away. So Ashburn really was a pioneer for craft brewing back in the late 80s. So our brew house just turned 35 years old. So it makes amazing beer. We are a lager brewery, so we focus on lagers in particular. But my main flagship beer happens to be Faceplant, which is an IPA. And I'm having that right now. It's actually very good. And I'm kind of a beer snob in that I live in New Robert Englunds. Right, right. We have some heavy measurement criteria because we've got some great breweries. I'm sure you're familiar with them. I was in Florida not too long ago, back in January. They don't make IPAs like they do in New Robert Englunds. So I was a little hamstruck there. No, I understand that. And I think that we've been fortunate enough to kind of do that right out of the gate. We were the first brewery here in the county after Anheuser-Busch had left. So we've been kind of like helping set the example for craft as a whole piece here in the county. So Anheuser-Busch had a theme park, correct? Yeah, they have bush gardens. And that's no longer? They don't own it anymore. They sold them all. Oh, I had no idea. Yeah, yeah. Okay, because I'm old enough to remember in Tampa, when you used to be able to go to their park and actually drink for free all day. Also, because I live in Southern New Hampshire, we have the Merrimack Brewery around the corner, and unfortunately, they lost their horses. Right, and that used to be, those are the most beautiful animals in the world. And those Clydesdales, I think they now reside somewhere outside of St. Louis. Yeah, they're amazing animals for sure. So tell us a little bit about your beers. I'm drinking your Faceplant. It's a great beer. So we have kind of the range. Actually, today we released an Irish Red Ale. So that's for St. Patrick's Day in general. Do you normally do that every year? Yeah, we normally do that every year. And we have a Shooter McMunn's Irish South, which we run pretty much throughout the year now. And that's one of our most accoladed beers from the Great American Beer Festival out in Denver. So that's done very well for itself over the years. But we primarily focus on lagers. So we have Hellas, we have Pilsners, we do have an AZ. So what's your signature Pilsner? Rhino Chaser, Pilsner. and most people ask why our name kind of thing because you know you see a lot of like you know the city like Ashburn Brewing Company but we decided we didn't want to be pigeonholed into that so we were we had a brand we had a beer originally called Briner Chasers. Briner Chasers actually was the third largest craft beer brand in the country back in the mid-90s and then they were sold and promptly were gone as quickly. So I was fortunate enough to be able to reach out to, I went through the patent trademark office and that name was available, Rhino Chasers. So they let it lapse. Yeah, so they let it lapse. And like months, I only had a, it had been held for about eight years. And then they finally let it lapse, so I grabbed it then. And Rhino Chasers is slang for big wave surfers in Southern California. So that's kind of how our whole brand developed. And we didn't have a logo yet or a name for the brewery. So if you guys look up the logo online, Lost Rhino, you'll see that I wanted something real simple like Nike or Under Armour. And they sent us back a, you know, I told the story of Rhino Chasers, and they sent me back a Rhino with a surfboard. And I'm like, I loved it. I thought it was cool. So we decided to name the brand the brewery Lost Rhino because we're nowhere near an ocean. I was going to say, but you are swimming in a sea of... Yeah, data center. It is. Folks, my wife works in high tech. She supports some of these, and she's never been here. I have never seen anything quite like it in my life. And you've been here 13 years. I'm guessing maybe none. So this was all cedar trees you were saying? Folks, you've never seen. These are a million square feet, and Matt was telling me that they're building a million square feet a quarter. Yeah, about a quarter, yeah. That is... That's what I've been told anyway. I believe it. Yeah. I believe it. We're a pinball show. Yeah, yeah. So let's talk about the pinball. Tell the audience about your relationship with, is it the Silver Ball Sanctum? I'm guessing they're the operator. Yeah, yeah, they're the operator. So what we wanted to do, this was quite a while back now, we're talking like several years ago, you know, we were trying to add like something different to the brewery, and this was really before breweries were doing pinball, and you know, I'd reached out to a couple guys, I'm like, hey, can we get some pinball machines maybe, you know, arcade kind of thing, you know, just to add something to it. And this guy had reached out to me, he had a small shop in Sterling, which is apart from here, called Silver Ball Stankton, and he had a little shop there, and he managed them and maintenance, right? Like, that's 90% of pinball machines as far as I know. I'm a collector, so you're preaching to the choir. So it's a lot of maintenance. And so he's like, hey, you know, if you let me use your space, then we can split the house or whatever on, you know, how much it'll make, and then he'll maintain it. So he's done a good job, he's been here usually every couple of days working on them. And we have everything, you know, they go back to 75 I think, 1975. So you have the, you have Captain Fantastic, which is one of the machines I played around with. Yeah, yeah. That's my wheelhouse. Yeah. Not quite electromechanical like that is. Yeah, yeah. But a little bit later, another year or two. Right, right. When they went to solid state. Yeah, and then the cool thing is he buys and sells them, so we're kind of a showroom for him as well. So a lot of his teams are for sale, and once he sells one, we get a new one in. So you have turnover in here, keep people coming back. Do you have a sizable audience? Because I'm on a crusade for New Hampshire. Yeah. Believe it or not, I have five microbreweries in my town. and none of them, well one of them has some beat up games, but none of them have like you have. And I wish they did because there's a real lack of that in southern New Hampshire. We really don't have a space to go play at a retail level. I mean, I've been here all the time. Yeah, and there's a lot of breweries that have kind of followed our leads. So like there's breweries now that have whole rooms full of them. Well, I'm going to go to one of your brethren after this. No, that's good. In the town you just mentioned. So I think you already know who I'm going to say. So they... But they don't... They don't... They have an operator, but they have, like, no affiliation. No, not at all. It's like a separate area. Right, right. I'm guessing it's attached to the brewery. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's attached to it. So, yeah, so they... That's kind of spread. So we have a league that plays every... I think they have a little... I saw it on Wednesday. How often do they? Every Wednesday. And how many people do they have? So they average between 20 and 30, if you're safe. Oh, that's good. That's a nice crowd every week. And the crowd is diverse. So it's younger all the way to older groups. It's not one particular genre of people. So it's pretty cool to see, actually. I'm hoping by interviewing you and highlighting your brewery that some of the people from Virginia actually contact me through my email. Yeah, yeah. So I can become a little bit more entrenched during the pinball hobby here in Virginia. Because I'm going to be here a lot more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, you know, it's spreading the word. Right, right. Do you feel that you attract more people that might be casual or non-players because of the league and having machines here? Oh, absolutely. And I think that, you know, quite frankly, you know, you have especially pinball machines, right? Like kids in general are used to like the Xbox and PlayStation and the Switch, and they're used to that. But when they see something like that, they've never seen it before ever. You know, or they may not even have seen it on TV. So a lot of kids are pretty fascinated with them in general because there's a lot more, you know, mechanical elements to it. So do you find families coming in? Oh, yeah, absolutely, yeah. So they'll come in. We rotate. I mean, even today, there's been several kids playing on home today. So I think that, you know, that helps introduce the genre to, you know, those machines, you know. And it definitely works out. So, like, we do have a lot of families that come in and just play Timber. I'm guessing you've seen pinball become more and more popular. Oh, yeah. How long have you had pinball machines in here? Probably five years. Okay. Yeah. And we always know, like, when the new ones are coming out, we have that sterno, the stern connected. So they roll out the new pinball machines and let everybody know. It's pretty fascinating. There's a lot going on there. They're the hot commodity. We have a couple of their newer games. I think I'm going to go to your brethren down the road and play some of the most recent games. But I'm guessing your op will get those in here eventually. Oh, they do. You're a Pro Fighter fan? Oh, yeah, yeah. That's their latest machine. The latest one, yeah. So you'll see that one and James Bond, which, well, we'll see. They have one machine that they just brought out. Oh, okay. $20,000. Right. Crazy, right? Unreal, yeah. Yeah, that's like a car. I agree. Not my wheelhouse, but a lot of others. Right, right, right. Is there anything else before I conclude this, Matt, that you want to talk about regarding your establishment? I think if you're ever in the area, like, we're right next to Dulles Airport, so if you're flying in or out of the area, talk on the line. Well, give the address. Do the whole thing. Yeah, sure. So we're, internet is pretty easy, so it's lostcorano.com, and then we are at 21730 Red Rum Drive. I love the name. It's going to be easy to remember. And we're in Aspern, Virginia, of course. So stop on by. We have social media, Facebook, Instagram, all that stuff. So, yeah, check us out. Come by. Terrific. Matt, thank you. Cheers. Yeah. Awesome. just arrived at Ocelot Brewing, and guess what the first machine I see is? Brand new, out of the box, a Scooby-Doo. Where are you? We've got the big Lebowski. Frankenstein. We might have to play that one. Sopranos. We were talking about that in one of our last podcasts. What do we got? Fishtails. Flintstones. There's one that I haven't played. Oh, we got some games. Toy Story. Super Mario Brothers. We move on to, they actually have Pirates of the Caribbean Stern. Look at that. Okay. Ripley's Believe It or Not. Iron Maiden. Rush. Godzilla. Dracula. Avengers. Stranger Things. I'm going to give that one a try again. What do we have here? Jurassic Park. a Deadspool and a James Bond so I don't have to go to a show I get to play two brand new machines that are here at Ocelot Brewing in Sterling, Virginia I'm in the car leaving Ocelot Brewery what a great place folks, good beer good, well maintained pinball machines and more data centers than I've ever seen in my entire life. And power lines, the biggest power lines I've ever seen. I don't have anything close to what they have here. Virginia might be for lovers, but it's also for data centers. Let's get back to the pit ball. So, Glenn, Avengers, need more time on it at a bucket game. It's going to be a while. I need one at a pinball show so I can explore it a little bit further. Played Stranger Things. It's still the same game. Shoot the Gorgon, in my opinion. I played Flintstones. Not a bad game. The weird thing about that game is, I don't know why it worked and then it didn't work, The right hand ramp around the flippers to the left flipper. That was kind of weird. Played Sopranos. Like Sopranos. Going to play that more when I see it. What else did I play that I haven't played before? Played the Big Lebowski. Again, shout out to Keith out at Pinbrew Fest in Ohio. That's a great game. I played a lot of that. I'll put a buck in that game every time I see it. Scooby-Doo. Well, it would help if I knew about the bookcase. I shot that center shot 20 times, and it kept coming back down the left habit trail. Had I known that there was hold the left flipper in So that the ball would stay in the top play field That would have been a good heads up Not a bad game But I need a little bit more time on it Grateful that Ocelot had that as well as Bond I want to give a shout out to somebody I met while playing And I'll see him again Hopefully he'll spend a little time with me in Allentown. Mike, brand new guy to the pinball scene, has a Whirlwind. And what was the other game you told me you bought? Something new. The game you played in the other brewery. It had the thing on the top. Oh, Cactus Canyon, the cat game. Cactus Canyon, yeah. Brand new owner to Cactus Canyon Remake And also owns a Whirlwind We'll see him again in Allentown Good guy A lot of fun talking to him So folks If you're in Virginia I just gave you two of The best places to go Drink beer and play pinball Ocelot Brewery Hats off to you Lost Rhino Another Shout out to my new friend at Lost Rhino, Keith. Keith, you should be in the travel business. You gave us a lot of great places to go visit. We're going to take you up on those. And we'll be back soon. Folks, you got a great pinball scene in Virginia. Happy, happy, happy to be there. I hope some of you folks take the time to reach out to me at theclassicpinballpodcast1 at gmail.com. We'll get together and play some pinball. George, signing out from Virginia. Schaefer's pleasure Doesn't fade even when your thirst is done The most rewarding flavor in this land's world For people who are having fun Schaefer's is the One beer to have when you're having more than one Folks, I'd like to welcome somebody back for the third time. He's having yet another pinball show in Girard, Ohio. Welcome back to the Classic Pinball Podcast, Keith Campanelli. Hello, Keith. Hello, George. Thank you for having me. Keith, we've been through this drill a couple of times. I'd like to break it up into three pieces today. This show, well, Pinbrew Fest, I didn't even call it what it is. It's Pinbrew Fest. and you can obviously discern from the title that it's beer, food, and pinball. Yes. You picked. Which one would you like to start with? Well, considering we're a – it's more of a pinball show and yours is a pinball podcast, let's start with pinball. Okay. Why don't we talk a little bit about how your show was laid out. I was there last year, for those of you who are new to our podcast, checked back a year ago, 30-some-odd episodes, and Dave and I, my partner, went to the show, and it was great. Wide open, folks, you've got plenty of time to play. All the pinball machines in the world, you will get tired from playing because there are no lines. I'm hoping this year you get a few more people, but it's a really laid-back, fun show. I want to start with something that you bring a lot of games to the show, but there's one game in particular I'm wondering if it's made it across the border. Exactly what you're talking about. Yeah, Joust. The famous Joust story. Yes. It did, in fact, make it across the border. I picked it up at Expo. My good friends from Canada were coming down to Expo, and we met them there, and the Joust went from their trailer to mine to home. It will, unfortunately, not be ready for the show, but I did. We were in the middle of redoing the boards. We got it working. It was a mess, and it's a perfect restaurant candidate, but I can guarantee you that will be there for Pinbrew next year. Forever. The talk of the joust continues. Yeah, the talk continues. Well, you're going to have to stay tuned, folks, until next year and hear that Keith is bringing that game. But you also, along with your partner, bring a lot of your own games. So what are some of the games that you're bringing this year, and is there anything different that you might not have brought in years past? Yes. In fact, my partner Marvin and I have been collecting games, and we seem to find one here or there that we hold on to and say, well, this would be a great one for the show. What I'm bringing here unique, we did get – I had a cosmic gunfight that I was planning on bringing last year, unfortunately. I made a fool's error and put the wrong connector on and fried the boards a week before the show. Ouch. Yeah, but I was very fortunate that a good friend, Rhett, who does really good board work for me, was able to get everything back and going. So I just did some final tuning on it, making sure all the switches worked and everything was fine. Cosmic Gunfight's going to be there this year, along with another unique one. You don't get that much of a time fit. I picked up one of those last year, and we had to do some board work on that, and we got that. that's a couple unique ones. On the older side, we also bring the Sega, the Godzilla. We bring one of the other ones everybody seems to like. A Lost Base comes to the show. So we try to get a few of the unique ones, but the exciting piece is the new games coming this year. Yeah, that's where we're going to go next. So, folks, last year there were two games primarily that I played that were brand new to the pinball world. The Big Lebowski, and you can go back and listen to that. I must have played that at least a half a dozen, if not a dozen times. And then we had Weird Al. And again, you know, you go to these big shows, and you've got to wait in line for a half an hour or an hour. I walked right up. Not only did I get to play it, but I got to interface with the developer. So, and excuse me, I forget his name. I do have it somewhere, and I'll include it in the notes, but that's the great thing about this show. Get to play the games. You don't have to stand in line. So what's new this year? Well, I'm sure you've discussed the news of all the new games that are coming out. We will be having several Foo Fighters. Oh, okay. We will have several Godfathers coming from Jack. we were told we are going to get Galactic Tank Battle from American Pinball. I'm also in the process of working with the guys over at Chicago Gaming. There's a good chance we will have Pulp Fiction at the show. Also, the new Multimorphic add-on last year, it was Weird Al. This year the name escapes me. Final countdown, final evacuation, final something along that line but that would also be a joke so I'm excited about that along with Weird Al, so we'll have both of those there Let's see, I think that's pretty much That's a lot! We will also have a queen there from the Pinball Brothers. Wow! A lot of, yeah We're really excited because the big show is Texas, and Texas is a month before us. And we're not looking to compete with Texas, obviously. We're in northeast Ohio. We do have a good-sized facility with 30,000 square feet, and I think last year we had 160 pinball machines there plus arcades and things along that line. But we're just excited that everything's coming out from Texas. we're four weeks after Texas and we're going to have all that stuff for everybody in the northeast corner of the United States to come and play if they wish so it's exciting. You just whet my appetite what are the dates for the show Keith? It is April 13th, 14th and 15th. Terrific wow I was caught up I told you prior to recording that I'm in Virginia this week, and I was fortunate enough to play two games I had not played before, which is Scooby-Doo and James Bond. But now, you know, we've had a plethora of games come out in the last week, so I'm behind again. And all the games you just mentioned I have not played, and as I said, you whet my appetite. Maybe I'm going to have to get in the car and make that eight-hour ride. But you've siphoned from quite a few areas in the Northeast. You're near Cleveland, Columbus in your own state, Buffalo, New Jersey, Philadelphia, Cincinnati, I'm guessing, right? Yes. So we are about five hours from Cincinnati. Pittsburgh is an hour south of us. Cleveland is an hour west of us. And Buffalo is three hours north of us. and we are getting a big influence of Buffalo guys this year because another podcast, I won't mention on yours. No, that's okay. It doesn't bother me. I'm an equal opportunity podcaster. We're good friends with the guys up at Buffalo Pinball. Right. They're local, and this is the first year that both Kevin and Nick are coming down to the show, so they're bringing a group of people with them, so we're pretty excited. Wow, that's great. what other things around the pinball I'm not going to ask you about the tournament this year okay I'm smart enough to know that but what about your your hard tops usually you have quite a few of those and why don't you tell people what a hard top is again and your affiliation with that company so hard tops are made by a company called outside edge and they've been around now about four or years, I think, their first space shuttle, and basically it's a, I don't want to use the word overlay because it is definitely not an overlay. It is a O3O plastic with a scratch-resistant coating with the artwork of the game on the underside, and you take the top of an old, packed-up play field, you sand it down, you clear the insert and you put this on and you have a beautiful, new-looking, fast-playing game. So a lot of the old stuff, probably the 70s and 80s, mostly solid states. I think right now he's got about almost 30 titles out there from TAS to, oh, gosh, there's so many. Space Shuttle. I mean, I can go on. But anyway, so hard tops are made in Columbus, Ohio. and I'm good friends with the owner and I've actually prototyped about 16 of the titles for him. So he goes to two shows and that's it. He goes to Chicago to Expo and he comes to our show in Ohio. And we celebrate that we have what we call Hard Top Row. They set up, we bring in a bunch of the people locally that have done Hard Tops and they set their games up in Hard Top Row. They have their own little tournament. He gives prizes away for that, but it gives people a chance to show off their beautiful restorations on these games. So it's a lot of fun. I'm going to ask you, and I think it's a yes. You know Tom Cicchetti, right? Yes. Will he have his Playboy game there? I don't know if he's bringing Playboy, but he is doing a hard job right now. I think he just did Silver Ball Major. Oh, okay. he's planning on bringing that to the show. I don't know if he's bringing anything other than that, to be honest. No, we did a show with Tom about that game, and I have not met him. Talked to him, interfaced with him on a regular basis, but have not met him face-to-face. No, Tom's a great guy. I'm happy that he's part of the show. He's one of those people that is exciting, excited to come. And, you know, it's all these great people in pinball that show up and help out and bring games that have made the show just an extreme success. We went from the first show in the country after COVID and a successful show at that to last year being off the charts. We had well over 1,000 people last year. And this year, we already know we're going to be doing much better than that. We have something really unusual this year with our VIP ticket. So our VIP ticket this year is $100, which gives everybody that is a VIP an hour early entrance each day to the show. They get the shirt, the poster. This year they also get a pint glass with the Pin Brew logo on it as part of their VIP packet. That allows them, when we get to the beer point, a 16-ounce pour instead of a 12-ounce pour for the same amount of money. But the other interesting thing this year is Rob Burke, who most people in pinball might know. He runs Chicago Expo, the longest-running pinball show in the country. He is from the Girard area, and literally two and a half miles from our show, Rob's getting ready to open up this amazing pinball arcade museum-slash-arcade with over 600 units in it. And he has the biggest collection I think I've ever seen. And he's going to put some of these pinball museums to shame with the amount of stuff he's got in there. Well, with our VIP ticket, you get two hours preview of that place because he's not going to be open until probably July of this year. Oh, no kidding. Oh, that's a big plus. It is. I was wondering about that. again, you're taking my questions, which is great. You're anticipating what I'm going to ask you. Anything else with pinball? That's great. I mean, not only all the new machines that are out, you get to go see probably the biggest and best, I'm guessing, pinball place to play in the world. That's great. Yeah, it's going to be a very interesting year with him starting that. I mean, right in Girard, Ohio. Little old Girard. Yeah. Don't point God 80. You might miss it. Anyway, let's get to the beer piece. Okay. You know me. Butchering names. I'm going to do Bird Dog. Larry Bird. Bird Fish. I knew that. I need to send an apology to another brewer. Bikers Brewhouse. I butchered his name in our last exchange, and I want to apologize. I'm assuming that they're going to be there as well? They are. One of my favorites, I butchered their name as well, but I think they should change it. I think it should be Missing Balls for this particular show instead of Missing Falls. Are they going to be there? They will also be there, yes. Okay, so who did I miss? Okay, so we're having back the six that were there last year because they were very popular and they're very integrated with us at the show and with pinball. So we also have Madcap out of Kent is coming back, Noble Creature from Youngstown, and the last one we missed was Modern Methods. We are planning on adding one or two more this year. We're in negotiations with Sandy Springs, and we're also considering Unhitched Brewing. So we have to keep our brewers from Ohio. People ask, is there any breweries from across the border? We can't legally do that. There's reasons for Ohio liquor laws and all that kind of stuff, but we are adding a few more breweries because last year we sold over 2,350 pints of beer at the show. I believe you told me 700 gallons for the first show. I'm guessing it's going to be well over 1,000 this year? I think we're going to definitely hit that mark. So we've expanded, like I said. We're getting a bigger following, a bigger crowd. The show has been just taking off on its own. We've had really good reviews from the last show. I mean, you were there. You saw it. It's a great show. I mean, I liked it because I could just walk up to a machine and play it where you go to the larger shows and And you're usually waiting, standing in line, especially for all the new machines. And like I told you, I walked up several times to all the new games and just walked up and played them. So this is a great opportunity, folks, to get out and play games. And here in Virginia, I've been marching around to some of the pinball slash breweries. And it hurts at a buck a game. And that's reasonable for a brand new game. but you go broke quick if you play like me. So come to a show like this, you know, if you look at a dollar a play, you get your dollars back very, very quickly. Yeah. No, I think that the misconception, not so much a misconception, but the way the show is laid out too gives you that feel because we have 30,000 square feet and we don't just line the machines up in a row. We have them spread all over the building in all different areas and different how we lay it out in circles and lines. And, you know, it's so sporadic. And with 30,000 square feet, it's very easy to just fit a bunch of people in there and nobody's on top of each other. Everybody's enjoying their time with their friends, which is nice because you hear the call-outs on the games instead of, you know, being in this packed row. So we did it the first year because of COVID. We had to separate the machines. They had a six-foot rule back then, and everybody just loved the layout. So we said, you know, why mess with it? I agree. And the one thing that I like about it is multiple rooms. So when you walk into the facility, you're in basically the retail area where you have all the vendors. There are some machines in there as well. Then you move to the room where you have tables and chairs. So if you feel like sitting down and hanging out with some people, that's unique because you usually don't see that in a lot of venues. And then attached to that is where the tournament area is and even more pinballs. So it's great. I got the big question, though. You holding the line on beer prices or has inflation taken hold there as well? No, we are actually holding the line. We are going to a 12-ounce pour. So I guess inflation did impact us a bit. So we were doing 16-ounce pours last year, but I've talked to the breweries, talked to the guys at the show, and we've all agreed that $5 for 12-ounce pour from some of these breweries when you have beers like a blueberry raspberry stout, a spring wheat, an Irish stout, a hazy IPA, so you're getting a good value. You can't go into the brewery and spend $5 and get that anymore. I definitely agree. And explain to the folks, because I know that you have a charity portion of this show, who's your 501C this year? We've kept the same 501C that we had last year. The company that we're using, let's see. Gosh, it soaks that up. I had it. Aren't they the people that distribute diapers and necessities for kids? I don't remember the name of it, but I remember you talking about that. Project MKC. There you go. So although they're local, they're pretty big in the area. They reach out many, many counties out each way. And basically, yes, they're helping out families with privileged kids that they can't afford diapers. They do a lot of other things with them, too. They'll give them special packages that will give them, like, coloring books and things along that line. I think last year they did 1,000 comfort kits, and they did over 850,000 diapers. Wow. 15 million wipes in 2021. So they're just a great bunch of people. We're excited that, you know, you have a glass of beer, and you're actually contributing to a charity. Well, I contributed quite a bit last year. I was there for three days, and I would encourage others. The one standout beer I had a taste and I drank one was that Habanero beer. I don't know who brews that one, but I think you have the list out on your website. Why don't you give that website while we're talking about it? Sure. The website is pinbrewfest.com. you can find everything we talked about there and more. I did see, like I said, the list of all the breweries there and all the different beers. I guess there's going to be 12 different beers right now, and if you add a couple more, you might get close to 18 beers there or 16 beers, which is great. Let's move to the food portion. Food trucks, I had their barbecue last year, and if I saw correctly, I think they're coming back. Yes. Now, I don't think I've, unfortunately, updated everything on the website. I have last year's food trucks up there, but most everyone is returning, with the exception of we begged and pleaded and we got Roxbury pizza to come back. They were there the first year, and although they did okay, it was COVID, and they got to make 150 pizzas ahead of time. So they were concerned, but I know them well. they were received. I mean, what goes better with beer than pizza? I think that would be a big one. I mean, the beer was great last year, but grabbing the slice and moving on would be great, too. You don't feel like having a big barbecue sandwich or something ribs or whatever else. Hey, grab a slice, have a beer, and off you go. Yep, and then we also are bringing back Bob Chiz. She will be inside the building with her homemade pierogies, which is a huge hit out here. Just goes for a lot of progies. What about the chocolate people or the people with all the treats? Yes, one of the two vendors is coming back with a fudge guy. So we had two of them and it was a little overkill, but this year the fudge guy is coming back. He's stepping up. I think he's expanding his booth a little bit. So yeah, get done with your pizza, your beer, go order, get some fudge, chocolate. I bought something from one of the vendors, some kind of chocolate treat. I had them on the table when I was playing in the tournament. I come back, and they're gone. So I didn't even get to enjoy them, and the place was all closed up, so I didn't even get to rebuy them. The treat, I did have one, and they were really good. So, folks, food is really good as well. How about your two major vendors for pinball, Tilt and Cointaker. Is it Cointaker? Yes, Cointaker. Are they going to be there again? They are coming back this year. Just about it. Our vendors is coming back again. The only one that I don't think we'll have this year is the shooter. I've got some conflicts with some stuff at home, so he's not coming. We did add another company that's coming in that makes the tabletop arcades. So he'll be one of the vendors there. But, yes, Cointaker will be there. OutsideEdge will be there. Tilt will be there. Ulek will be there again, the ones that do all the engraving. And a lot of the mods. We're bringing back our artist that did the work last year with a new shirt design. Dan's coming for that. So, yeah. I bought the shirt last year. Great shirt. Good artist. Just enjoy that and wear it proudly. What have I missed? I think we've got almost everything to do with the show. I think we do. It's a three-part show. You're coming in. You're going to play some fun pinball, maybe some arcades, shop around with the vendors, maybe join a tournament. There's a pickup kids tournament. There is a men's tournament and a women's tournament. It is an IFPA tournament for the men. I think for the women maybe also. I know the women's is a knockout tournament, and I couldn't tell you what it meant. You probably know more. It's similar to last year's style, so you can probably address it better than I can. It's a great tournament, actually. Multiple sessions, five games per session. It's match play, so there's four people per game scoring 7-5-3-0. all those that qualified the best and I forget what the cutoff was whether it was 16 or 24 it doesn't matter you can look it up on the website lots of fun there and and reasonable for me I think it was 15 bucks because I'm not a great player but you know your top players pay a lot more and there were some really really good players and I'm guessing this year because the word spreading, there'll probably be more. It's a great tournament. A lot of fun people I've met. A lot of great people that I had never met before, and I've actually seen at other shows. So, very well represented as far as Ohio players go. Yes. It'll be fun. Terrific. Well, I'm glad this year I listened to last year's podcast, and I've come up with an acronym, TMC, Too Much COVID. We talked, and we tried to restrict it, but we talked a lot about COVID. I'm glad that's in the rearview mirror and that it's not even part of the discussion anymore. Absolutely. Yeah, we've all moved on. We're going back to living a normal life and enjoying the things that we all work really hard to enjoy. Well, we've got about a month until your show. So to all the success, I now have to reevaluate my position and see whether I'm going to jump in the car for eight hours and come visit you. Well, we'd love to have you back. It was great seeing you last year. I saw that you were enjoying the beer, which was a good thing. No, no, no secrets. No, it was a good time. And the thing that's really great about the show, I was very concerned the first year, being the first show that decided we're going to combine beer with pinball and make it a thing. I was concerned, you know, that somebody's going to just, we'll have issues and problems with people getting drunk. Everybody that comes to the show just has a great time. We're lucky in the last two years, and I know we'll be lucky again. There were just no issues. People are here to have a good time, enjoy company with their friends. and I keep hearing from people constantly that they're looking forward to coming, and that's what makes me get up and say, all right, we're going to do it again. Well I wish you all the success in the world Folks go out and buy that VIP pass that two preview to go see what probably will be the largest collection of pinballs under one roof And enjoy the show. Again, get all the swag, get three days of fun, and enjoy beer, food, and pinball. Absolutely. Keith, thanks again. Thanks, George. Always a pleasure. You're welcome. Anytime. Take care. You as well. Okay, that was good. I got to share with you this. I was fortunate enough in October when I went to Expo, I'm good friends with Butch Peel and he works for Chicago Gaming. I got to go and play Pulp Fiction with Mark Ritchie. We went into their factory into the back room where they had set up and they were all prototypes and the one we played, we were tweaking and making sure everything worked right, was the one they were shipping off to Quentin Tarantino. No kidding? So it was a complete game with artwork and everything? Yep, it was absolutely complete. It was ready to go out the door and they shipped it out the next week. But it was a prototype. How long ago was this? This was October. Oh my god. When, uh, when, uh... So they've had this game in the can for six months? This game's been in the can for four years. We're on. Stentor. Echoplex. It's a sweet-looking game. It's a great-looking game. So, George, this is the Scentower. We just finished. This is like over 100 hours worth of work easily. And new CPR play field, new plastic set, new flipper mechs, new side rails. You forget. Everything. You forget. What do we forget? What else? What? This has been an ongoing saga for over a year. I know. Believe me. You teased people with this last fall. And it's finally here. Or maybe earlier. Right. No, great looking game. Deliver a love. You did a really nice job. The plate feels awesome looking. I'm looking forward to playing it. But we were talking before we got on. Yeah. And you were saying, oh, listen to the echo. And it does. It sounds great. On my game, the echo, the board's in the lower right, correct? Yeah, lower right, yeah. Now, on my game, I have something that looks like telephone wire. Yeah. It's gray? That's correct, from the factory, yes. Spill, why? I mean, it doesn't look like anything in any other game. It's four, so you don't get any noise in the line. It's a noise thing, so it can connect to the other board without introducing any noise artifacts and make it... I don't remember on my game, did it have a zero insertion or did it have a regular... IDC you're saying? Yeah IDC did have one of those No IDC they didn't do IDC on that They did IDC everywhere else and that's what they did not I think mine has I've wiggled the wire and it was Kind of weird I want those to be perfect so I redid those connectors I'm going to redo mine And I recapped everything so that's why this sound Sounds spectacular Mine sounds good but like I said I don't want to muck with it Because everything works And so as you know with Centaur the whole play field is feature lights. No GI on this thing. We talked about it in our last... The back last is GI. Okay. So I put LEDs all back there. That's all warm LED. That looks nice, right? You can't even tell. I can't tell. Except for the ball and play and this stuff here, I put colored lights there. Not LED, but colored... Orange? Orange. Like, yeah, amber. Amber, amber, amber. Red down here for warning, and tilt is amber, so shoot again. It looks better. Instead of being white, it looks better with an orange. Let me ask you a question. You can say no, that would be horrible. Okay. The orbs at the bottom middle of the back glass. Yeah. Would it look cool if they were blinking? No. Although, you know what? It might look good there. Color changing ones would be kind of cool there. How many lights are there? You had the game apart. I have the technology. I could actually put color-changing LEDs there. That'd be kind of interesting. I could do it right now. But then would it look like the colored play field? No. I don't like that either. I don't like the color-changing LED at all. No. But the color-changing LEDs, that'd be kind of interesting in that little pile there. I was thinking of blinkers just because. That's too much. I'd be subtle. Okay. Yeah, you know what? That's a good George. You know, you're a little crazy, but sometimes you're right in the money. So you like, it's not a bad beer, right? Not bad at all. Like a typical IPA? Yeah, that works. From Virginia. Yeah. Danger Zone. Yeah. Ocelot Brewing. Yeah, Danger Zone. They didn't have, oh, you know what I played there? When you were talking about Popeye earlier. I played the Flintstones. Because I had never played it before. No, it's not. It's not. It's not a bad game. No. The bowling part, the bowling part of the game, too. I only played it once. It's almost a Big Lebowski-ish little thing. I think it was a buck, so it was like... I worked on one. It was a quarter of 50 cents. I probably would have played more. But the one thing I did say somewhere in the recordings, I like going to shows because I'm not sticking my hand in my pocket because I am not a great player. And a buck a play, it's expensive quick, especially the new games that you don't know what's going on. Yeah, but you can play all one less about 10 minutes on a new game. for me anyway yeah no I get bored with them no so we're gonna play a game and then we're gonna be done I know folks who've already done this game once but Dave not this one Dave the proud parent yes proud parent you know giving birth to a little centaur I worked hard on this I want you to know this thing is looks great thank you should I lead off you wanna lead off yeah go ahead show me how it's done Okay, so the ball is just going around. He hit the target out of sequence, so that doesn't matter now. And down the middle you go. Look at that. Good. So tell me what your strategy is in playing this game. I want to hit boards in sequence. That's what I want to do. and get the top red lanes to get multipliers. I have the extra hard rule set in this game, too. So your multipliers go away, so does your bonus. 20, 40, 60 goes away ball to ball. No, that's not so good. So I made things tough in this game. Okay, so we're having a battle of the bottom. Wow. That's interesting why it's blinking like that. Why is that blinking like that? I was going to say, my game doesn't do that. So there you go. So now this is like play test mode. Why is that blinking? How come every time I come to play... You broke my game. I just fixed it. I thought that was like a feature. That's weird. Wow, the plasma's blinking somewhere. Do you think it'll go away? I don't know. That's weird I was doing that. Well, good thing I put LEDs in it. It'll go away. I think what you want to try is, when we're done, put four players on it and see if it does it for every one. I don't think it does. I think that's not right. Something that just messed up. This is why I want to play... See, John Day is correct. When you finish restoring a game, you want to put about 100 plays on it before you give it back. Because that way you can think of all the gremlins. I'm always here before that happens. Yes, you're here like on game two. I'm here on test day. Yeah, you are. Test day. Hi, I just finished doing this. Oh, now they're both doing it. See, now. That just sounds really quick. We only played one. I only played one ball. You played two. And you had the game reset. That's weird. Now, that's weird. So you have a really nice looking game. That's weird. Okay, let's play again. Try again. That's weird how they did that. Okay, so everything looks normal. I'll start. Let's see. Well, I will sell the wine before it's time. Okay, so I got two extra ready. That's good. Okay. So, what I was saying is... Oh, so you got the warning. Look, the warning came on for you. Yeah. You know that goal? Yeah, now look what happened. Wow. So, now the first... That's weird. I mean, it was a crappy ball. Maybe that's why it's blinking. No, no, no, no, no. That's... That's a... That's the Weebly board doing some things to me. We'll see what happens here. Unless it's some software thing I didn't do. Correctly. I'm ready to put my value board back. I'd be more concerned with the reset that we only got to play three balls out of six. Well, that's weird. That's really strange how it's doing that. So that's not to display. That's actually a software thing. I'm going to put my other board back in, my value board, and that was working great. That's weird, man. Now, this actually is old school. I'm going to put a... So what kind of board is that? This is a Tom Callaghan mother. Oh, my God. You're really dating. Mother of MPU. Does anybody even remember who that is? I don't think so. Well, I bought from him. I bought the tube for Xenon and the LED lights. Oh, yeah, I do, too. That's great. I bought a purple one. It's awesome. I have the blue one for mine. I don't know if you can get that anymore. No. I mean, where do you get those from? People sell the tube, but I don't know if anybody sells the tube and the light bar that goes along with it. I have the original light bar too, but I would never repair that. That looks like a big project. So mine's going to work. It'll work forever. I don't have to worry about it. Was this a dedicated board? It wasn't at all. It wasn't at all. Cal Hand didn't make a board that did all the games. You have the dedicated chip, right? Okay, let's see if this works. Let's see if I can get all my ducks in a row first to be sure. Let's go through my settings here. Let's see here. Yep, 750. Looks like everything held. It's all holding good. See if we got the 3s. We want the 3s. You need the 3s on 18, 19, and 20? Yep. See if we got those. See, even I remember that. 3s, 3s, 3s, good. Right, and 22, and it turns over. That's it. There you go. I think I did that a few hundred times. Okay. Let's see what that does. If that doesn't work, it's back to the old drawing board. Here we go. Number one. Number two. And I'll start. Here we go. Take two. I was going to say, the way that I try to play this, I like the queen's chamber. I think that's the way you can build bonus. You can build bonus and points pretty quick. Like that. Oh, you're a little late to the party, that one. Let's do it again. That's weird. That's really weird. That just started. So, how did that happen? I just repinned something. Why? All right, Paging John Day. So, you thought we were done talking about Stentor. You're watching in surgery. What are you doing for our next episode where Dave tells you... Where Dave pulls his hair out. That's what happens. Yes. Well, at least he didn't deliver to the bus. Oh, I never would. No. It has to be ready. No, I know you wouldn't, but... It has to be ready. You know stuff happens. What is going on, man? I have another question about this game. I see white round targets. They look like you replaced them. I did. can you buy those? And do you have to make your own? In other words, do you have to put the rivet and everything on? I put the rivet on. I did them all like that. So you bought the plastic? Yeah, I put it on. From who, Steve? I think Steve. Yep. You can't buy that target all complete? I don't think so. Okay. I think you're wrong. Let's see if it works. Why is it doing that? So this is a weird... So is mine going to work? No. Number two's working. You're working two was on. You had two. Oh, I was two? You were two. I thought I was one, right? Let's try it again. Look at that. Wow. That's what I said the first time. Okay, so that's on two different boards. Wow. Okay. Well, I guess we're not playing this right. That sucks, man. What the frick? Hey, like I said, better. now i know you like the red rubbers on the flippers yeah i have oh that's something i do want to talk about okay so i have gray ones on mine they look pretty they look cool something different you know i change them up with gray on there gray yeah titans they look good okay yeah i know you're probably but so i i did my marco order we're not going to talk about what We just did, but I bought their high-end, is it Playmore? What's their high-end silicone rubber? This is on Play... Marco. No, no, that's Pinball Light, is that? No, so whatever Marco's is, right? Marco doesn't have that. Yeah, they have... Pinball Light is there. No, they have two different kinds of rubbers. Actually, they have three. You have regular rubber. Yeah. You have... Silicone? Because Pinball Light... Silicone, and then they have another. Whatever their high-end, the most expensive one. Oh, that's the freaking stuff, the urethane one. Hear me out. Yeah. So they had white ones. Okay. And I'm like, oh, that might look pretty cool in a Centaur. Let me buy a set. Sure. So, Dave, I tried like there's nobody's business to get that white rubber onto a flipper bat. I thought I was going to break my fingers. I couldn't stretch I couldn't stretch it I mean I tried I even I had a I know why I know why you bought the urethane crap so you gotta put it in hot water I'm not done so so I even had a flipper neck outside I said okay on the bench you know not in the game because I didn't want to hit something else and mess something else up while I'm trying to pull this thing I couldn't do it on the bench either so I called Marco up very nice. Forget the woman I spoke with. And I said, I bought X. You can see it on my order. I go, I want to return them. I go, you know, I'm going to be at the show in downtown. I know you guys are going to be there. I'll come by and I'll just, you know, they're not used. I just couldn't get them on. Yeah, sir. I have one better for you. Okay. You keep those. Oh, all right. And the next time you make an order, you get free shipping. just reference this number. I put the notes in our database. I see that you, well, very nice. I would have preferred the cash, but yeah, they know they could see that I order. It's like, if you only had one order and like, Hey, I'm never going to order it again. I'm like, okay. So for nine bucks, I'm like, okay, so I got him, but I forgot him today. Next time I'll give them to you. You can try if you want. I'm just either that, or if you're at pin tastic or pin fest, come up to me. If I don't give them to Dave, I'll actually, I'm not giving them to you. I'll put them in my pocket. Right. If you come up to me and say, hey, I want the white pinball rubbers, I'll give them to you. Yeah. How's that? That sounds good. What if I come up to you and say that? Somebody pounds sand. It starts with an F, and it's not fire truck. Let's try a one-player game. Let's just see. We'll swap off. Actually, destroy centaur. It's already destroying itself. Come on, Centaur, be nice to me. I've spent so much time on you. Play nice here. You don't have a trailer queen here, do you? I might. It looks pretty. Museum piece? Well, this would be a best in show. Not a best in play. Under your criteria, it wouldn't even make the cut. It wouldn't make the cut. Some other people, some other armchair, wheelchair generals would be fine. I didn't ask. Are you going to do it this year? Or still jury out? I'm going to probably do it. That one dope on Pinside is a freaking idiot that says, No, I don't like how you breathe. Did you invite him to be part of it? And say, hey, put your money where your mouth is. No, he's a freaking asshat. He's a freaking grumpy piece of crap that's always a grumpy piece of crap. I don't know how he can live that way, but he enjoys it. So we can see if it works. I'm doing well here. Let's see if I can get multiple. Okay. No far so good. I don't know how much of this I'm going to use. It's kind of... Didn't it go slower? Did it go slower than yours or no? The countdown. It's kind of anticlimactic. Okay, so that's working. See that? So ball... Let this one drain and see if you get to three. And then go back and try two players again. No, two players is not going to work for whatever freaking reason. Oh, there you go. Good back. No class human. I tilt it. I value bricks. Oh, warning and now tilt. Oh. And now flashing. Wait a minute. Oh, you know what? Maybe I hit it too hard. Maybe that's why. No, come on. Well, no. Don't you know how that works? You have a settings so you can set it so you get one warning and then you tilt. The game tilts. I have it set that way. Ask me the last time I did any settings. 1985. Can you try again? Go ahead. Okay, so that's another question. I have a question for you. That, uh... You gave a warning right then for that. It was worth it, wasn't it? You can't do that again, otherwise you're in big trouble. The game's going to do a game tilt on you. Do it again. You push that game and you're going to dance with it. Alright. One more, just the S there, you're going to have a nice ball come out, I think. Give me a sec. Close. Close. Come on. You got the V. There. Use the V. You have any power or good, it's just a ball come out. Nice. There you go. Come on! Oh, and I tilt. You tilted the whole game. whole game, and now it's doing that thing. So that must mean... And that's it. Maybe that's what it's doing. Maybe we're game perfect. No, you're not supposed to lose all the balls. You do. You get... There's a certain... On a three ball game... Yeah, you do, because you get a warning, and then you get a tilt, and you're done. It's a game tilt. I have it set that way. I have my manual out at home. I got it right here. I can show you. I know it is. Because I know I sent out... Don't get all worked up. Oh, hold on. I'll put it back to the easy way. There's an easy way in here. This is good, people. You're getting all pissed off. Getting pissed off because all my sent out are work right. Son of a gun. All right. So there's something in here about... Tilted. Here we go. This game contains two different tilt settings. The type of setting is selected by fixed switch number 23. On is ball tilt. Off is game tilt. The ball tilt, the feature where tilt just qualifies the ball for further play. game tilt, the ball of player being allowed two tilts per game, and the player's qualified to further play during the game. So, I guess you know what my setting's on. You are set to 10 balls a game, and all... No, no. Four. An extra ball of your 100,000 points. Four, because you can. 23. Alright, so 23. People don't like that. They don't like what? My game's set at four balls. Three's not enough, and five's too many. And I know you don't probably have... Well, I saw thresholds. What do you have your threshold at for a three-ball game? I had them 15, 27, 49. Whoa. We don't mess around. I have 1.4 million with four balls. And I still am not very good. All right, now it's an easier setting. Okay, so we're going to play one or two players. Let's try two players now. Let's see what happens. Maybe that's going to be, maybe that's going to fix this. We're going to find out. So you think that's what it is? It's a guess. It's just a guess. Okay. The box is a little close here, but I can make it work. I can move it. I'm good. I think you can move the game five feet over. You want that? Now you're tilted. Come on! I hardly get anything. Look at the tilts all the way. Look at it. It's still shaking back and forth. Look at it. I'm going to do the tournament, guys, and they put the watch on top for 30 seconds. You've got a button. Wow. You are a brutal joy. It's still shaking. Look at it go. And I'm usually not one. Wow. But I guess I have my tilt set a little bit more generous. Yeah, I think you took the tilt out of your game. You know what? Don't laugh. I'm going to have to go look now. Yeah, you don't have one. Well, I own one, whether it's in the game or not. Yeah, whether it's in the game or not is another question, yes. But I don't tell people when they come over, because if I told them that there was no tilt, they'd be doing exactly what I just did to your game. Exactly. And you're still doing it. I'm a little slow. I think people are going to like it because the game has stopped, and we're just sitting here trying to figure out how to do it. Yeah, exactly. They get to learn and stuff along the way. Okay, so... Okay, because I'm really doing poorly, I'm going to show you what I'm going to do. Okay. Oh! Oh! You didn't shake it enough. I didn't shake it enough, exactly. Okay, so I'm going to shake it a lot and see what happens. All right, go ahead. It'll tilt one ball on you. Go ahead. Well, don't I... So, wait a second. Yeah. So, on my first ball, I tilted. Right. But you said if it happens a second time, you get a warning. Why didn't I get a warning? No, because the setting is it's either you get a warning for the first one. Why didn't I get a warning for the second one? Because I turned that off, so now it's a tilt. You get no warning. Now you just tilt the ball. But you never tilt the game. Changing the rules in the middle of the game. I am. I am. I changed the rules. It's going to be a happier game. And I know I got another animal. You know what, I think it's a fall. I think that thing was a feature. I think that was a feature on a fall. In fact, I really like this instead. I like it better. Like, old school. Tilt the ball about the game. Too tough that way. Okay, we need an extra ball. Here we go. No! Nice You didn't took the game that time Look at you go So far so good Law 2 Still no weird crap going on I like it George The game just called you a sloth Yeah I've been called the worst Wow You're really taking liberties on me I am. Also because the other hateful listeners said, like I said, kept calling you George all the time. So I decided to call you some more George. He's not calling me Uncle George. That's true. Yum, yum, eat him up. Eat him up, eat him up. Yum, yum, yum. All right, here we go. It's fun time. You've played this game before. Yeah, I have been. Once I fixed it, I've been playing it a lot. Like those blue light stewards? The nice DLEDs? Yeah. Oh, he's got four. Five. Five balls out. Hey, Graham. I'm kicking Dave's ass. For now. But he is. He's got almost 700,000 points. I got 100,000. Oh, and a free game right there. There you go. You got a free game. Oh, two balls still left in play. Release the power. Oh, one ball left in play. And he's still going. He has one. One captive orb, he's got a release thing ready to go. Yeah, he's got two captive orbs. God's playing better. No, you... Nice. Plays nice. Thank you. Just a little software tweak. Thank God. You know what? What? You want a CPR play-through? No, no, no. I've got to go look at my game. I'm looking at the outlay. Yeah. And those plastics that go to the double post. You don't have them. You don't have them. Those are CPR plastics. Those are new fangled things. I have a CPR plastic set. Oh, it should be on there then. But... Can you come with them? How long are they? I have a really good original game. It's not part of the original game. It's not. Well, that's why I didn't put them on. I didn't even realize they were in there. Oh, yeah. I'm going to have to look. See, so this is always good. You're learning, George. Oh. Like the audience learns. Getting a little dense. Getting denser. Okay, third ball. So it's 1.5 to get a free ball and game. Well, actually, it's 7.50. I think 1.5 to get a free game. No free balls in this. It's free games. Okay. Let's see if I can... We're not at George's Pinball and Pouring. Yeah, I know. Okay. Okay. Queen's Chamber. You lose money playing your pinball and pouring, I think, if I don't get it. I'll play all day for four. I was happy to see that one of the pinball places had games for a quarter. I mean... It is kind of nice. That to me is the money. Double-cleaned chamber? Yeah, like that. Single value. One more gets you released for that target. Like that? Double, nice. Look at him go. Will he do it again? What is that sound? Do you know what that sounds like? Yeah, that ding-a-ding-a-ding. What does that sound? What does that mean? I don't know. I don't know what it corresponds to, though. You tilted all your bonus away. I didn't get to 1.5 million. No, you didn't. You missed it because you tilted it. Uncle Tilty. Uncle Tilty. You tilted through my balls, too. He's tilted so much, he tilted through my ball. Now, did I throw a yellow card or a red card at him for that? Did I get my ball back? That was not on purpose. Hmm. And now he's just tilted and tilted. Why are you just tilted there? I think you might need some more play testing. Back to your old drawing board. You know, I did put a new cap in here. Maybe I'll just kind of undo him. A cap on what? How can I release power? We need to get the ball back. I did put a new cap in here. On what? on the I put a new cap on the tilt bob assembly. You're going to clip it? I'm going to clip it and see if that helps things. Because why would that not serve me a ball? Like, where'd the ball go? Like, how would that happen? That's bizarre. Does your customer listen to this mod? God, I hope not. It's like, This just started. This game was working great until you showed up. Thanks a lot. It's going. You messed up my game. How dare you. One more time. Can we all guess what Dave's going to do once I leave? Oh, no, I don't know. No, he's not going to get the rope out. Yeah, exactly. He's going to get the rope out. End it all. All right, here we go. So I just made the tilt a lot easier. You just tilt me through. I want to see what happens. All right, I'll tilt you through. I like to have a complete... You should tilt through on one of these to see what happens, because that seems to be the issue. I don't like that valley brick right there. Wait, everything's nice and clean. It's like a brand-new game. He's going to be psyched. If it works great, it will. You can always come to my house. My name works. Right. Great, George. Wonderful. You're not helping. we'll have the we'll have the I might be blue discussion and the and the oh are you going to keep all your games discussion yeah that's already been that's already been discussed mandated one way discussion I bet it has you can imagine what end of the discussion I would have I can imagine oh you don't need all those No, no, why would you need those? Okay, James, you've got a game going now. Okay. Double queen's chamber. I don't know if it hit the side. No, I need to double. I've got a single, I think. Oh, did I get a double queen's chamber? There we go. That's what I did. That's where the money is. That gave me nothing for that But it was funny You gotta remember I mean once you get like that That was 60,000 points The next time you do that It's 80,000 And four in advance So You know It adds up Right I learned that long ago That to me is There you go I got no points for that one So 40 Well single value You get something for that Well you got 40 Now what does that What does that mean I don't know But yours does that too You know what it does A lot. So, they've got 60,000. He just, oh. Oh, you had three balls. Next time, you would have gotten all the balls. I didn't quite hit the release. I just missed it, it sounds like. Two balls, too. So, tilt it. All right, I'll tilt it. I'll get some points here and tilt it up. It doesn't matter. You don't get a pass. Now, there, I tilted it. I barely touched it and you were having a dance with it. Come on. Here, I tilted you up. But why is yours bleeding? Well, it's bleeding because I'm up. Okay, because you're up. Okay. Okay, so. That's normal. Maybe that was it. I'm hoping. So far, so good. Now, okay, so with the second player, well, you've done your ball. Yeah. Do the same thing. Tilt out. See what happens. Because it should end my game. Well you tilted one. I tilted one so you, well two for you next. So if you do it on the second time it's going to stop the game. I won't be able to play my favorite part. No, no, no, because I turned that off now. Oh, okay. I turned that feature off. Okay. Yeah, so it's just, you get... You think that's it? No. I think so, for some reason. Because it's not doing that blinky-lighty thing, the display is not blinky. No, it's not doing anything now. You changed... I did a couple of things. Right. So which one is it? That's good. Okay, so player up, blinking, first thing stops blinking. Okay. Good. Okay, so you got some points. Let's see what happens. I can tilt her again. I didn't tilt it. You know, I took the cap off, that's why. It doesn't tilt as easy now. That could be a lot of reasons why my game reacts the way it does. Why, because you don't tilt on it? It's something it's got to do. Yeah, because you really, you put the weight into it. Yeah, well. Give it the old. I think I'm playing my game. Your game plays nice. Thanks. Oh, you son of a. But what I wanted to ask you is, whatever that thing's called. Yeah, Jake. Yours does the same thing. It kind of bounces. It's not consistent. It kind of stops it. Like in the ball? Yeah, sometimes when it comes back, it just kind of dead drops. Sometimes, yeah. Okay. I thought that was my game, but I saw the same thing happen with this game, so it's part of this game. So this thing here, you've got to hit the release when it's on. It's like blinking on and off, right? Right. Right, but you also have... I don't know where you are in the game, but as part of the game, for the collect bonus, it also goes up. The chase lights go up. Yeah, how do you activate that? Audience, someone knows this answer. Yeah, I forget. It doesn't even tell you in the book either. I forget. I'll have to play. We're going to end up talking about this game. Don't you guys do any research when you do these games? No, we don't play them. And we even own them and we can't answer the question. It's an even better way. I just play the games. Okay, we play the games. I fix the games, I play them. You lift them up and put them down. I lift them up and put them down. Oh, that was a whole other discussion. How are you going to move your games? Yeah. Oh, you're going to like my solution. Oh, nice job. Thank you. multiball. Yeah, multiball. We want multiball. Okay, Dave's up in the 750 range, and he's still on. Oh, he's on ball three. Three games coming up. Oh, guess what? What? What did it do? You were scoring over there, and then scoring over here. Did I miss something? Weren't you playing your ball? I don't think so. I don't think I'm on your ball. I think I, oh that's it, I don't think so. Okay. I wasn't paying enough close attention. It seems to have worked. Okay. Your game plays very similar to mine. Cool. I mean, it plays correctly. Now it is. I don't know what... That's really weird, huh? It is weird. Now we're doing happy gents. Yeah, you're doing really well. You got two balls. Two balls. All right. Four. Oh, there we go. That's a pretty nice sound. I like that sound. You missed by 3,000 on the other game. Roll value. Up to three times. Lost one ball, two still in play. Up top. You missed the... Oh, the ball's gone. And he's down to the last ball. I don't know if that's a filler sound or not. You hear it a lot. It must be a filler sound. I thought it was like some kind of thing. A feature thing. I need to get the Queen's Chamber situation. Like that there. Almost at a million, Dave. You're going to be at a million. 79,000 bonus. So you're all the way maxed out on the bonus. You need to hit the three-scape target to get multiball again. It doesn't matter if I hit it single or... Oh, bum. I think it worked. Good. So, it might be that cap, but that doesn't make sense either. Well, it was a cap and it was a tilt setting that was messing things up. You need to play with that a little bit. That's weird. I'm going to play it a lot more. Okay. Signing off That was exciting wasn't it folks I have a new name for this place This is the Dave Cave The Dave Cave Anything can happen Dark Dank It's not dark and dank We got colored lights in the ceiling Colored lights may hypnotize Sparkle someone else's eyes Now woman American woman Oh American woman yes Sorry. The Guess Who? Guess. No, what? Yes. Where? Yes. Oh, okay. I get it. So, see? Buffed metal in there. See that buffed metal behind the orbs, targets? Those are buffed. It's a very nice looking game. Black. Stop. How about the black caps? Stop making me feel bad, okay? Black caps on there. Now you're going to make me want to do my game. Glass? Yeah, the glass makes a big difference. Special glass? Skin? New Coindor skin? I can't believe that that's $100. Yep. No, it looks really good. Somebody's very smart. They're making a lot of money on that. Yeah. I wonder if Mr. Marco went out. Yeah, Marco did. That's where I got it from. He went out and bought a crapload. Do you think he went to Planetary and said, because they own the rights. To that coin door? Well, they own the rights to Bali for everything. Yeah, but it's a coin door. There's a little label on it. It's a diamond shape on it. That's copyrighted? Don't know. I'm sure Mr. Planetary Pinball has something to say about it. It could be. It could be. It might be the reason. I don't know. We won't go there. It might be the reason why that logo is a little smaller. It could be a lot of things. Oh. I don't know. It's true. I don't know. You find out all kinds of things when you buy a product. And you see a picture and you think it's what you think it is. But it's not what you think it is. It's what you first thought, anyway. But, anyway. Okay. Signing off from the Dave Cave. my name is George my name is Dave stay lit and tilted amen to that okay so George I got this I got this email I got a nice fan mail we got some fan mail for the podcast right and this is from John Jolly from Jolly Oyster and that's the guy we talked about with the yeah you got the oysters as part of your payment yeah and you made Oysters Rockefeller. Oyster Rockefeller, yes, exactly. So he wrote me an email. He listens. He listens. Yeah, he said, hey, now, Dr. Dave, it's jolly from the Cape. Pinball is practically banned in my house now. Turns out my kids are highly competitive, and usually after playing three hours a night on this game you repaired, it ends in tears with fighting going on. Sounds like Miami Beach. But heck with it. But heck with it. Going to pick up another game soon anyways, despite my kids and my wife. The game runs great. Thanks a lot. What game? Old Chicago, I believe. Okay. I replaced all the pop-up parts, a new playfield cover. I took your advice about solid flipper being faster. I like the hollow ones. So I brought some hot glue, and now they rock. I'm not sure what he did there. Got most things running. The only thing that's not working is the upper right 5,000-point bonus on a couple of Old Chicago points on either letter C and A. Well, the kids are beating on the game. Beat the crap out of it. Come on, it's an EM, right? Exactly. I'll email you in a couple weeks or so and see if when you're on the cave for the next year, you can stop by and fix a few problems. Not looking for a deal, just fix. Thanks for pushing me in the right direction. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, cooties came from a lab. Who knew? No, did you hear the latest? The raccoon dog. You know what that's about? Did you see that? That's a bunch of BS. I know it is, but I'm just saying. I didn't even know there was a such thing. Why do we always get to animals? There's no raccoon dog? No. No, that's like man-bear pig. No, that's like Al Gore man-bear pig. What's a man-bear? Al Gore is man-bear pig. He said Earth isn't alert, we're going to be underwater in a couple years, and here we are still. That kind of thing. You know, a bunch of old liars. He said, what a bunch of goofballs, these people on the news. Man, killer number 99 episode you guys had. Loved the long ones. Best last one was just as good you had after 99. Thanks for the shout-outs, too. You like 100? He did. He loved 100. Am I really being hard? You are. And he loved 99. He loved the long one. And here's the kicker. He said, thanks for the shout-out. You gave him my business, too. Anytime you or George are on the cadence and need or want oysters. Be careful. Be careful. If you need or want oysters, I'm your man. No charge. Mahalo. Where is he? He's down in Dennis. How far is that from Hyannis? 20 minutes. 20 minutes? Okay. Yeah. Guess what? Guess who's coming to dinner? I'm going to be down in Falmouth pretty soon. I was thinking of going and seeing my buddy Jim. Oh. This weekend, because Janice is going back to Virginia. Oh, look at that. Yeah. Hmm. He goes home to say hello. With an appetite. Right. Just don't make me shuck him. Play some old Chicago. He probably has a golden-plated shucker. Oh, he might have somebody who does it for him. Yeah, probably. Wouldn't doubt it. Yeah, but cool guy. Cool guy. What's his first name? John. John Jolly. John Jolly. He's happy. Oh, yeah, he's a happy customer. He's jolly. He's jolly. He's got some jolly oysters. So he's the man. The man for the oysters. I think people like us. We promote a lot of businesses. We do. They hate me. They won't email me. But I gave you the moratorium. He doesn't bite much. He might bark. I do bark. Woo! The deaf come in blind, it's your play to me pinball. Who do you call when you want your pinball machine restored? Dr. Dave! Dave! Who? Dave! D-A-V-E! Yeah, Dave! Dave! Right. But George, you don't know what you're saying. You're under their control. This joker's not only stupid, he's a moron besides. I heard that. Thanks for the compliment. Please, destroy Senua. He sure do look wild. Ha ha. Look, fellas, he's a sissy cannibal. What do you mean, my Uncle George is a sissy cannibal? Because he wears earrings. Don't all wild men wear earrings? Do he eat people? Of course not. Come on, we're going down to see him. Want to come? Uh-uh, brother. I don't want no wild man snickering on me. Oh, the name of that game from P3 Multimorphic was Final Resistance. Hi, my name's Stephen Silver. I'm the creative director for Multimorphic's Heist and Weird Al Pinball Machine. My voice is shot, and you're listening to the Classic Pinball Podcast. Hasta la vista, baby. _(Acquisition: groq_whisper, Enrichment: v3)_ --- *Exported from Journalist Tool on 2026-04-13 | Item ID: 3fd14865-b6af-497f-9628-2a07ee5b630e*