# Ep 80 - 4 New Reveals In December?

**Source:** Special When Lit  
**Type:** podcast_episode  
**Published:** 2019-11-27  
**Duration:** 51m 55s  
**Beat:** Pinball

**URL:** https://specialwhenlitpinballpodcast.com/ep-80-4-new-reveals-in-december

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## Analysis

Special When Lit Podcast episode 80 features Ken Cromwell and Bill Webb discussing November 2019 industry news, including shows at IAAPA and Pinsonati. Key rumors include potential Stern announcements of Stranger Things and Led Zeppelin (Quicksilver re-theme) before year-end, Jersey Jack's anticipated Guns N' Roses reveal, and Spooky's Scott Denise project. The hosts speculate on December game reveals and pricing strategies, comparing music licenses like Beatles and Led Zeppelin. They also celebrate Thanksgiving gratitude for manufacturers, operators, parts suppliers, and content creators in the pinball community.

### Key Claims

- [MEDIUM] Both Stranger Things by Brian Eddy and Led Zeppelin (Quicksilver re-theme) have too many credible industry people talking about them to be false, indicating they will both be made — _Craig Bobby (Stern correspondent) reporting on weekend show rumors at IAAPA, Pinsonati, and Freeplay Florida_
- [MEDIUM] Jersey Jack Pinball is expected to announce their next title in December, likely Guns N' Roses — _Ken Rudberg (Jersey Jack correspondent) noting speculation after IAAPA 2019 showing; Ken and Bill discuss this as rumor_
- [MEDIUM] Spooky Pinball's Scott Denise's next game will be revealed in December — _Ken and Bill cite what 'we've heard from Dr. John' but don't provide direct quote_
- [MEDIUM] Stern may have one or two more games to announce before end of 2019, potentially including Stranger Things or Led Zeppelin re-theme — _Ken and Bill speculation based on production pipeline timing; they debate whether Elvira is final cornerstone of year_
- [HIGH] Beatles pinball was limited to 1,964 units due to licensing cost constraints, which inflated per-unit pricing — _Ken cites Dennis Creasel's statement about Beatles production cap; confirms 1964 unit limit_
- [MEDIUM] Led Zeppelin license is very expensive, possibly comparable to or exceeding Beatles license cost — _Ken speculation based on 'I've heard it's a very expensive license' from industry sources_
- [HIGH] Stern had considered creating a line of Stern classics remakes but costs were prohibitive — _Ken references prior episode interview with George Gomez on Star Wars The Pin stream_
- [HIGH] Jurassic Park Premiums are currently shipping and on production line as of this episode (late November 2019) — _Ken states 'Jurassic Park Premiums are on the line and they shipping' in context of Stern production timing_

### Notable Quotes

> "With Thanksgiving fast approaching and still no new title announcements made, one has to wonder if Elvira's House of Horrors will actually be Stern's final production title of 2019."
> — **Craig Bobby**, Industry Buzz segment
> _Sets up the central question of whether Stern will announce more games before year-end 2019_

> "Both of these titles simply have too many credible people in the industry talking about them now, which leads this reporter to think they are both actually going to be made. It's just a question of when."
> — **Craig Bobby**, Stern correspondent report
> _Establishes confidence in Stranger Things and Led Zeppelin rumors based on insider chatter_

> "I think because the music license is so iconic with Led Zeppelin, I think there are so many. It's such a huge fan base. I've heard it's a very expensive license. It might even be a more expensive license to have attained than Beatles."
> — **Ken Cromwell**, Main discussion
> _Speaks to licensing cost implications and fan base size for Led Zeppelin vs. Beatles comparison_

> "At $5,500, I think you have a strong number of people that would jump on [Beatles]. At $5,500, I'm in on Beatles 100%."
> — **Ken Cromwell**, Beatles pricing discussion
> _Reveals price sensitivity and suggests lower price point would dramatically expand addressable market_

> "I would love to see all these Stern classics at $5,500. At $5,500, I think you have a strong number of people that would jump on."
> — **Bill Webb**, Beatles discussion
> _Both hosts identify $5,500 as psychological price ceiling for high-license games_

> "You're going to have a Stern kind of remake of an older license or an older title versus a brand new game from Jersey Jack Pinball that's going to take advantage of all modern day technology and they're probably going to pack it with everything they can throw into it."
> — **Bill Webb**, Led Zeppelin vs. Guns N' Roses comparison
> _Contrasts company approaches: Stern remakes vs. JJP new builds, anticipating different feature sets_

> "Especially me. I'm not built for that, dude. Cinnamon hands."
> — **Ken Cromwell**, Operator discussion
> _Self-deprecating humor about not being suited to operate location machines; establishes his home collector focus_

> "I am thankful for the abundance of pinball manufacturers... They're pushing the envelope and making each other work harder, man. Kind of like the heyday of pinball back in the late 80s, early 90s."
> — **Bill Webb**, Thanksgiving segment
> _Frames current pinball industry as renaissance comparable to 80s/90s golden era_

> "I'll say, you know what? I am thankful for the operators because I don't think the operators in pinball get enough credit because without them kind of keeping the scene alive, I don't know that the exposure and the trend is as heavy as it is currently."
> — **Ken Cromwell**, Thanksgiving segment
> _Elevates operator community as critical to modern pinball resurgence and casual play access_

> "Just thinking about you know what people did before all these suppliers you know before your pinball ice your marcos and... you're fabricating your own kind of parts to get through right"
> — **Bill Webb**, Parts suppliers discussion
> _Contextualizes modern parts ecosystem as recent development, referencing Pinball Life's origin story_

### Entities

| Name | Type | Context |
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| Ken Cromwell | person | Co-host of Special When Lit Pinball Podcast; home collector with significant pinball collection including Wonka, Jurassic Park Pro, and others; knowledgeable about pricing dynamics and market trends |
| Bill Webb | person | Co-host of Special When Lit Pinball Podcast; home collector with newborn (colicky); working on basement restoration projects including Wonka and Jurassic Park; has experienced coil stop failures on recent Stern machines |
| Craig Bobby | person | Stern Pinball correspondent for Special When Lit; reports on shows and industry rumors; identified Stranger Things and Led Zeppelin as credible Stern projects |
| Ken Rudberg | person | Jersey Jack Pinball correspondent for Special When Lit; reported on IAAPA 2019 attendance and current JJP titles (Willy Wonka, Wizard of Oz Yellow Brick Road Edition, dialed-in LE); speculates on Guns N' Roses as next title |
| Dr. John | person | Spooky Pinball correspondent for Special When Lit; reported on Alice Cooper mod/protection at Pinball Life; mentioned Scott Denise game reveal in December |
| Brian Cosner | person | American Pinball correspondent for Special When Lit; identified as operator with games on location; recently unveiled Flying Dutchman Redemption game at IAFA trade show |
| Kaz | person | American Pinball correspondent; reported on Flying Dutchman Redemption prototype at IAFA trade show |
| Scott Denise | person | Designer at Spooky Pinball; rumored next game expected to be revealed in December 2019 |
| George Gomez | person | Stern designer; discussed on prior episode stream about Star Wars The Pin; mentioned Stern's consideration of Stern Classics line |
| Brian Eddy | person | Stern designer; credited as designer of rumored Stranger Things pinball machine |
| Terry Munson | person | Founder of Pinball Life; started by fabricating custom parts (initially 200 units) after unable to find a Addams Family part; grew from home-based to two-warehouse operation |
| Dennis Creasel | person | Industry figure who commented on Beatles pinball production limitations; cited by Ken as source of 1,964 unit cap information |
| Neil | person | PinQuest operator; puts Willy Wonka on location in Colorado as only available WW in Denver area; part-time operator with secondary income sources |
| Steve Beattie | person | Pinball enthusiast; hosted pinball night at his house where Ken played Star Wars Pro and Bill brought his newborn |
| Special When Lit Pinball Podcast | organization | Pinball podcast hosted by Ken Cromwell and Bill Webb; based in St. Charles, Illinois; 80 episodes in just over a year with no weeks off |
| Stern Pinball | company | Major pinball manufacturer; rumored to be announcing Stranger Things and/or Led Zeppelin (Quicksilver re-theme) by end of 2019; released Elvira's House of Horrors (current title) and Jurassic Park; shipping Premiums on production line |
| Jersey Jack Pinball | company | Major pinball manufacturer; attending IAAPA 2019 with 42,000+ attendees; showing Willy Wonka (all trim levels), Wizard of Oz Yellow Brick Road Edition, dialed-in LEs; rumored to announce Guns N' Roses as next title in December |
| Spooky Pinball | company | Pinball manufacturer; Scott Denise's next game rumored to be revealed in December 2019; Alice Cooper game in market with new PETG magnet protection mod available |
| American Pinball | company | Pinball manufacturer; attended Pinsonati, Freeplay Florida, and IAFA trade show; unveiled Flying Dutchman Redemption game (prototype stage); working on pin number three |
| Deep Root Games | company | Pinball manufacturer; showing Raza; no new announcements expected before March 2020 |
| Chicago Gaming Company | company | Pinball manufacturer; recently showed Medieval Madness Royal Edition; no new announcements expected before end of 2019 |
| Pinball Life | company | Pinball parts supplier founded by Terry Munson; operates two warehouses; sells coil stops, PETG magnet protection discs, and other parts |
| Flying Dutchman Redemption | product | American Pinball redemption game; prototype stage with data collection underway; no final release date or price; prototype on location testing |
| Elvira's House of Horrors | game | Stern 2019 title; shipping delays (stuck 20 miles away via FedEx Freight between Pennsylvania and New Jersey); received code update V.87 with bug fixes and new haunts |

### Topics

- **Primary:** December 2019 game announcement rumors, Stern Pinball rumored projects (Stranger Things, Led Zeppelin/Quicksilver re-theme), Jersey Jack Pinball rumors (Guns N' Roses), Spooky Pinball Scott Denise next game reveal
- **Secondary:** Music licensing costs and pricing strategy (Beatles, Led Zeppelin), Shipping and logistics challenges for pinball machines, Home collector restoration and maintenance, Industry gratitude: manufacturers, operators, parts suppliers, content creators

### Sentiment

**Positive** (0.78) — Hosts express enthusiasm about rumors and industry activity, relief at game code updates, and genuine gratitude for community aspects. Some frustration about shipping delays and coil stop quality issues, but overall tone is optimistic about pinball's current state. Thanksgiving episode adds reflective, appreciative tone.

### Signals

- **[rumor_hype]** Strong speculation of 3-4 new game announcements by end of 2019: Stern's Stranger Things and Led Zeppelin (Quicksilver), Jersey Jack's Guns N' Roses, and Spooky's Scott Denise project (confidence: medium) — Craig Bobby: 'Both of these titles simply have too many credible people in the industry talking about them now'; Ken Rudberg: 'Hoping something will come out in December'; Ken and Bill discuss whether 3-4 companies will all announce in December
- **[machine_intel]** Stranger Things pinball by Stern designer Brian Eddy rumored as strong possibility for late 2019 announcement (confidence: medium) — Craig Bobby reported 'Stranger Things by Brian Eddy' has credible industry chatter supporting its existence
- **[machine_intel]** Led Zeppelin re-theme of Quicksilver rumored for Stern with potential $7,500+ pricing (confidence: medium) — Craig Bobby cites rumors; Ken speculates pricing would be $7,500; Bill questions if it's Quicksilver playfield re-theme
- **[machine_intel]** Guns N' Roses pinball by Jersey Jack Pinball rumored as next title, potentially announced in December (confidence: medium) — Ken Rudberg: 'Looking at most likely Guns N' Roses, but we will wait and find out'; Ken and Bill discuss as strong possibility
- **[machine_intel]** Spooky Pinball's Scott Denise rumored to reveal next game in December (confidence: medium) — Ken states 'we've heard from Dr. John that Scott Denise's next game is going to be revealed in December'
- **[code_update]** Stern released Elvira's House of Horrors code V.87 with bug fixes, polish, game enhancements, new call-outs, and new haunt (confidence: high) — Craig Bobby: 'Stern Pinball has posted yet more Elvira code, V.87, for all production models. This code contains bug fixes, additional polish, and game enhancements, including some new call-outs and a new haunt'
- **[supply_chain_signal]** Elvira's House of Horrors shipment experienced multi-day delays via FedEx Freight, stuck between Pennsylvania and New Jersey before rerouting to Illinois (confidence: high) — Ken: 'it was about 20 miles from the house for the last three days... it was in Pennsylvania after it had left New Jersey to be rerouted back to Schaumburg'
- **[product_concern]** Bill experienced premature coil stop failures on multiple recent Stern machines (Monsters, Jurassic Park); suspects manufacturing batch issue (confidence: high) — Bill: 'the last few sterns i've had the coil stops have to be replaced pretty quickly'; 'I've had to replace those in the last three Stern games that I've had'; Ken confirms purchasing replacement coil stops from Pinball Life
- **[product_strategy]** Hosts debate whether high-priced music licenses (Beatles $8,000+, potential Led Zeppelin similarly priced) limit market addressability; both suggest $5,500 price point would dramatically expand sales (confidence: high) — Ken: 'At $5,500, I'm in on Beatles 100%'; Bill agrees; both note can't afford current Beatles pricing despite interest
- **[market_signal]** Hosts debate whether manufacturers should announce games in December (capture holiday/year-end spending) or delay to January (avoid competing with fulfillment of current orders and post-holiday bill season) (confidence: medium) — Ken: 'And let's just take Stern, for instance, because we're waiting for the next Stern Cornerstone to come out. And I mean, do they still have a game or even two in the tank before the end of the year?'; Bill counters with order backlog concerns
- **[community_signal]** Ken elevates role of part-time and full-time location operators as critical to pinball resurgence; notes operators like Brian Cosner and Neil from PinQuest are underappreciated (confidence: high) — Ken: 'I am thankful for the operators... without them kind of keeping the scene alive, I don't know that the exposure and the trend is as heavy as it is currently'; cites examples of operators maintaining high standards
- **[sentiment_shift]** Both hosts frame current pinball industry as experiencing renaissance comparable to 1980s-90s golden era, citing manufacturer competition and innovation (confidence: high) — Bill: 'Kind of like the heyday of pinball back in the late 80s, early 90s. Yeah, yeah. It's a good time to be in pinball, and it's an exciting time. And to see these companies all not surviving but even thriving'

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## Transcript

 Coming at you out of St. Charles, Illinois, the special When Lit Pinball podcast starts now. Hey, what's going on, Pinball Land? Guess what? It's episode 8-0. It's 80 episodes of the special When Lit Pinball podcast. 80 episodes in just over a year. Never took a week off. With me today is... The Love. I'm Ken Cromwell, and we're going to do our best to keep you informed and entertained for the next 45 minutes or so as we talk about everything pinball. What's going on, Bill Webb? How are you, buddy? We are just running like a madman these days, Ken. I'm pumped today, man. I am pumped to be here. That's good. I'm pumped to see you here. Yeah. Pumped. You never know what I'm getting out of the house in these days. I know. I know. One thing after another, man. Oh, yeah. I got to give you and the family credit. You guys keep rolling, so that's pretty nice. We're trying. Well, what's good in Ken's world? Not a whole lot good, per se. So, quick story, Elvira, the House of Horrors, was supposed to have been here like a week ago because we were going to stream this thing on the Flippin' On Streaming Network. And long story short, it was about 20 miles from the house for the last three days. And then when I called today to see where it is, and I'm not going to name it. I'm going to name it. It's FedEx Freight. Called today to see where it was. It was in Pennsylvania after it had left New Jersey to be rerouted back to Schaumburg and then supposedly coming here tomorrow. So with any luck, Elvira's House of Horrors will be here tomorrow, which is Wednesday, which is the day before Thanksgiving. Now, myself and Bill want to talk a little bit about what we're thankful for in pinball as we get later on in the episode. But I'll be thankful if the damn Elvira gets here anytime before Christmas. I'll be shocked. I will be shocked, too. So we'll see what's happening. Anything else going on with you? Anything good? Anything? You know what, dude? I actually had a chance to put some time in the basement and get a couple of games done. My son slept a couple nights in a row. That's nice. Got the shaker on Wonka. Oh, my gosh. That was one of the best stories. Keep going because then I've got to bring something up. Oh, yeah. That was a great story. Freaking shock and awe of my life in pinball. But go ahead. Keep going. So you've got some games you're doing in the basement. So, you know, I got the shaker motor on Wonka. Threw the mods on that I had for it. The factory mod. The kid in the tube mod. pin stadiums were already on right whatever just a bunch of stuff to that then i threw the shaker in jurassic park and the jeep mod some other stuff that's literally been just compiling it in piles underneath machines i replaced some uh some coil stops on jurassic park uh pro today so what's going on with the coil stops like the last few sterns i've had the coil stops have to be replaced pretty quickly so i'm hoping it's just a bad batch i can't figure it out but i went to pinball life or you went to pinball life and picked up coil stops for me so So I've had to replace those in the last three Stern games that I've had. So, again, it's part saying not anything that Stern's not making the coil stops. I mean, no, it's not their fault. But with quality control, you can't you can't really see a faulty coil stop. I would assume it's after a certain amount of plays. It's just going to keep going or it's going to fail. And here you've had two that went bad in my monsters and my Jurassic Park didn't have that problem. Yeah, I don't know. It's just I guess it's luck of the draw. So hopefully we're we're getting out of that. But I was going to say last week. What was it? Thursday night. Thursday night. So Steve Beattie, you guys know Steve from the show and the stream, he decides he's going to host a pinball night over at his place. So I ended up going over there. Now, Bill doesn't make it up to pinball night these days because of just everything that's going on in his life. We're sleeping in shifts at my house. I take from 6 to 11 or 1, depending on the night. And then my wife wakes up at 11 or 1 and then watches our son because he's colicky. So he breaks out of the house between 5 and 6 o'clock on Monday or Tuesday to record this podcast, and then I don't see him again until the following week. So anyways, we're playing pinball at Steve's house, a couple drinks in, and I was playing Star Wars Pro over there, and I was there for about an hour and a half. And at one point I turned around when I had completed a game, and I was confused because I saw a baby carrier on the table. And I was trying to figure out, like, who brought a baby carrier because it just didn't make any sense. And then I looked up and I saw Bill Webb, and then I did some deductive reasoning and figured that Bill had brought the baby to pinball night, which just stunned me. because whenever I've had kids, like I don't even let them out of the house for like two years. Like I got them like a little glass, little glass bubbles. So to have the baby like hanging out at pinball night was pretty amazing. And the more amazing thing was this. He doesn't sleep. Well, he slept perfect at pinball night. He didn't make a word or a peep. I took him in the car and he fell asleep, which was awesome. And I said when I walked in, I'm like, listen, so I have no idea how long this, you know, this is going to last. It might be five minutes. It might be five seconds, whatever. And dude, he slept for an hour and 15 minutes. He slept. While you guys were all playing pinball being loud. And it was loud. Banzai Run was real loud, and he slept through everything. At one point, I had to get a mirror and put it under his nose because he didn't, like, move or twitch or anything for a while. And it was just very surreal to see a baby out of pinball night. But anyways, it was good, and I don't know what you're complaining about because that's the most well-behaved baby that I've ever seen in my entire life. I'll say that was the best-behaved baby on pinball night you've ever seen. So you just stick them under your machines, man. Because that's the only baby you've ever seen on Pinball Night. That's true. He's one for one with well-behaved babies on Pinball Night, I suppose. We'll post a picture of that. That was a good time. Yeah, it was kind of crazy. But it's fun times. Let's get into the pinball news. Getting the news from around the industry in this week's Industry Buzz. Hello from Dr. John with your spooky update for Special Win Lit. Just a quickie this week because all is quiet in preparation for the new game. but I did find a good mod for Alice Cooper owners. Not actually a mod but a protection. Pinball Life is selling a PETG disc which is placed on top of the magnet core. The magnet can be levelled with the playfield and it does a couple of things. It improves the magnet throwback and it also protects the surface of the metal so you don't get that pitting that you normally see with other playfield magnets. Hope this is of help. Check out Pinball Life and search Alice Cooper's Nightmare Castle Magnet Call Plastic. Hope for some more news next week. Catch you then. Hey, this is Kaz with an American Pinball update. American Pinball was busy over the weekend at multiple shows as they attended Pinsonati in Freeplay, Florida in Orlando. As work continues on pin number three, the big news of the week was at the unveiling of the Flying Dutchman Redemption game at the IAFA trade show. I was informed that this is still in the prototype stage and that there is no final release date or price yet. They anticipate this will be a good seller. They currently have a prototype out on location and are still collecting data, and they should be ready to finalize the build and pricing soon. For American Pinball, this is Brian Kosner. Hi, this is Ken Rudberg with your Jersey Jack update. Jack and the crew attended IAPA 2019 last week. IAPA is the International Association of Amusement Parks and Attractions. It's really hard to describe what a huge show this is. It looks like this year over 42,000 people attended. It's attended by all kinds of people who might buy pinball machines, including amusement parks, family entertainment centers, water parks, and other attractions. They were showing off, of course, all trim levels of Willy Wonka, as well as Wizard of Oz Yellow Brick Road Edition and still some dialed-in LEs that they're showing there. Apparently they had a great showing and there was a lot of interest in those titles. We're still waiting for the announcement of their next title. Hoping something will come out in December as to what that is. Looking at most likely Guns N' Roses, but we will wait and find out what they say. For Special When Lit, this is Ken Rodberg with your Jersey Jack update. pinball expos galore end of year speculation and alvira code updates hey guys craig here again your special one lit stern news correspondent well with iapa pincenatti and free play florida happening there was certainly no shortage of pinball shows and expos to visit this weekend this also meant there was no shortage of rumors over what stern's next pin could be so cutting through all the clutter and with the year-end in sight two potential titles seem to stand out. Stranger Things by Brian Eddy and the Led Zeppelin re-theme of Quicksilver. Both of these titles simply have too many credible people in the industry talking about them now, which leads this reporter to think they are both actually going to be made. It's just a question of when. But with Thanksgiving fast approaching and still no new title announcements made, one has to wonder if Elvira's House of Horrors will actually be Stern's final production title of 2019. So with roughly a month to go in a year, it will be interesting to see if Stern can pull a Black Friday Christmas miracle out of their hats and take advantage of some year-end money burning a hole in Pinhead's pockets. Something tells me they will have some exciting holiday cheer for us all. We shall wait and see. And speaking of miracles, don't look now, but Stern Pinball has posted yet more Elvira code, V.87, for all production models. This code contains bug fixes, additional polish, and game enhancements, including some new call-outs and a new haunt. Hey, how about that? As always, this update can be downloaded via old-school Ethernet from the Stern website. For Special When Lit, I'm Craig Bobby. Catch you on the flip side. Well, I want to say thanks to the correspondents. This is the Thanksgiving episode, so we're very thankful for our guys over there. Dr. John and Craig Bobby and Ken Rudberg and Brian Cosner, you guys are hitting it out of the park, so to speak. And guess what? I talked to somebody that I think is going to start covering Deep Root pretty soon. So we'll be able to introduce him or her on a future episode, I hope. Where do you want to jump in with this, Bill? Not a whole lot of impactful craziness, but I mean, some pinball shows in general. You've got IAAPA, where we had manufacturers there. The Pinsonati, which is Chuck Wirt's show. I mean, where do you want to start? American's fine. American pinball. So yeah, they bring the redemption game. The Flying Dutchman. The pinball show. Yeah, yeah. Interestingly enough, the last few updates from American Pinball have not really had much to do with pinball because they're rolling out the redemption game. Do we see another announcement pinball wise from American Pinball that's new before the end of the year? Or is this kind of closing out the year with the Flying Dutchman? I'm going to say they're going to close at the end of the year, but maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, I think so, too. I don't know where they're at with that next game. I hope it's around the corner. I'd like to see something first quarter from them. I don't know what it's going to be. I mean, I don't know what the theme is. I guess I've got my hopes on what it could be. I hope it's Stranger Things. Yeah. Well, let me throw you this one, though, Ken. Let's sidebar this for a second. All right. Would you rather see something January when Christmas bills are coming due or something around March? Yeah, I don't think it makes a difference for me, personally, because I'm only going to be in for maybe one pin over the next few months that's going to be new. So I don't know. I mean, I don't know that that makes any big difference. But I can see that people are paying off those holiday bills. You may not. So does that make sense then for a company to reveal a game in December? And let's just take Stern, for instance, because we're waiting for the next Stern Cornerstone to come out. And I mean, do they still have a game or even two in the tank before the end of the year? No, I bet you they have at least one. Now, do they announce one? and then ship it next year, or are they going to announce one that will be ready to ship and purchase before the end of the year? Because are you going to hit that Christmas rush, that holiday rush, or is Elvira, is that the pin that they're expecting everybody to buy for the holidays? That wasn't their cornerstone. I know, but I mean. I don't think so. I think we're still due for one more, man. If I were to take a guess, that's where I'm betting. Okay, and you think it will be available to purchase before the end of the year? I think it will be. I would assume they want to close the year out strong, and it's a numbers game. You want to beat the prior year's numbers, whether it be revenue profits and a number of items sold, moving the inventory along. I mean, it's always important to show, especially to the investors, just for the sake of conversation. In 2017, we did 10,000 pins. In 2018, we did 12,000. And in 2019, we did 14,500. And then in 2020, you want to be at like 16,000, 17,000. So you always want to be that number. Okay, but let me throw you this. one right with alvira dude it took a while to get alvira and and honestly you know shipping has even delayed that even further down the road but you know alvira was moving pretty good jurassic park kind of blew it up you know i mean it's taking a while to get some of these games dude so maybe they do push it to january because they're still trying to fill orders from alvira and jurassic park yeah i was listening to a podcast this week as i normally do and i i'm sorry i don remember who said this exactly but they said when jurassic park premiums finally hit the line that when the Elvira announcement was made And right now Jurassic Park Premiums are on the line and they shipping so are we in line here to have a game announced in the next week or two? I mean, it's possible. I mean, last year they closed out the year strong. They snuck in. Well, no. Munsters came out in January. Right, but when was it announced? It was January. January. But right before the end of the year last year, there was a Primus came out of nowhere, And I'm wondering if like Primus could be this rumored stern Led Zeppelin pin, like just the out of nowhere pin that nobody saw coming. And then do you have a cornerstone after that before the end of the year? Do we get two pins? I mean, how many Led Zeppelins do you think they're going to sell? OK, so I think because the music license is so iconic with Led Zeppelin, I think there are so many. It's such a huge fan base. I've heard it's a very expensive license. It might even be a more expensive license to have attained than Beatles. So if they have this license and they can put anything together, I think there's going to be a demographic of people that are going to buy the pin almost regardless because it's Led Zeppelin. For pinheads, this is where I think it gets interesting is if it comes out with a similar pricing approach as they did with Beatles, I think that's where it may hinder sales because I'm a perfect example of this. I really like Beatles. I know you really like Beatles. Oh, I do. I would love to own a Beatles, whether it be new in box or secondhand. but I just can't because of the pricing structure. Now, I'm not saying the pricing isn't justified based on whatever the license costs were, whatever the R&D was, whatever the BOM is. I just don't know that. I just know from a consumer standpoint, I just don't feel comfortable allocating those funds for Beatles, for what it is. So if Led Zeppelin comes out and it's similar, if let's say it is this Quicksilver re-theme and they tweak that play field and it's Led Zeppelin, and now we're looking at pins where they start at $75, $800 or $8,000, I'm out as far as owning the game. Will I go play it and enjoy it? Absolutely. But you know what, though? Here, let me throw you this evil. They had the ability to make 1,964 Beatles. That was their hard cutoff line, right? Right. But you can still find the Beatles in box. You know, and I – So – Right. Dennis Creasel said this, and I remember him saying this specifically. Could it be because of the limited number of pins at 1964 that they made? Was it 1964 or 1965? 64, I think. Okay. They had limited themselves. They had to make a certain amount of money within a certain amount of units, so that just naturally raised the price because now the price per pin because of the license was going to increase because of the limited number of pins that they were going to sell. I mean, that kind of makes sense. Does it justify like a couple thousand dollars? I just don't know. I don't know. Okay, but you saw another 1,000 Beatles on top of that 1964. Would it have drastically changed the price? I don't know. I'm not really sure. We don't know. We're just guessing here. But I don't think it would have done a whole heck of a lot, dude. Yeah, I don't really know. I just, again, if Led Zeppelin does come out, and I mean, full disclosure, I've heard rumors. I don't know about this one way or the other. I thought it was just kind of a rumor that caught on early, and I thought it kind of got blown out of proportion. I haven't dug deep on this. I haven't really looked into it because, again, I have a feeling that it's probably going to be priced outside to where I need to be as far as me getting it. And I'm not the hugest Led Zeppelin fan. I do like Led Zeppelin, and I do appreciate the music, and I do appreciate the legendary rock, but it is what it is. Yeah, I think you and I both would rather have a Beatles, though. Yeah, interesting. Beatles or Led Zeppelin? I think it would really depend on what they made out of Led Zeppelin. If it was a Quicksilver, I don't know that Quicksilver appeals to me as much as maybe something else. Now, I was thinking about this yesterday. If you remember when we had George Gomez in and he streamed Star Wars The Pin with us, he had said that Stern had considered doing a whole line of Stern classics at one point. And we talked about this in a prior episode. The costs were just going to be too much to make it feasible, cost effective. I would love to see all these Stern classics at $54. $5,500. At $5,500, I think you have a strong number of people that would jump on. Me too. At $5,500, I probably would have jumped on Beatles. At $5,500, I'm in on Beatles 100%. Yeah. 100%. But I don't even think you can find a used Beatles at $5,500. I don't think so. And even if they were just... We're going to get an email. Somebody will have a Beatles for $5,500. Good. We'll get those airs. I'll split it with you. We'll just go in. You know what I mean? Sidebar. Yeah. I've tried to buy two dialed-ins in the last two weeks. And, dude, people do not respond back. Yeah. So if you're a dialed-in owner and you're trying to sell your stuff, respond back. I've had a lot of that happen lately too, and not just with pinball but some other things. My go-to place now is Facebook Marketplace to kind of find some stuff outside of pinball. People are trying to sell these things, and they just don't want to reply to messages. Anyways, and then when we think about rumors, we heard Ken Rudberg talking about the speculation again of the next release from Jersey Jack Pinball being Guns N' Roses. So there's a lot of rumored pinball machines that are supposedly coming, And if you just kind of think off the top of our heads, I mean, we just talked about three, whether it be Led Zeppelin, Stranger Things, or Guns N' Roses, or Toy Story. That's another one that's rumored for them. But, I mean, so now I'm thinking at the end of the year, does Jersey Jack Pinball say, all right, this is what we're working on, and we're going to show this at the end of the year? Because now I've heard – we've heard from Dr. John that Scott Denise's next game is going to be revealed in December. So let's go down the manufacturer list. We have Stern Pinball that could be potentially revealing one or two games before the end of the year. Correct. Right? We have Jersey Jack Pinball that might reveal their next release before the end of the year. We have Spooky Pinball that I guess, have they gone on record as saying they're going to reveal this by the end of the year? When we think of the other pinball companies, I mean, Deep Root, they just kind of showed us a little bit of Raza. So, I mean, we don't have anything to expect from them until March. No, no, no. I don't either. I don't either. I'm just saying there's nothing else coming from Deep Root before the end of the year as far as we know. And then Chicago Gaming Company, they just kind of showed us the Medieval Madness Royal Edition, so I don't anticipate them showing us anything. Now American Pinball, they're focused right now, seems to be on that Redemption game, which is fine. I don't know that we hear anything from them by the end of the year, but we might have three companies that are sharing games for the end of the year, and that might be three or four pins from the three companies. It's exciting. Yeah, there's options. And if you don't like it, there's enough different differentiation in those titles that you can find something you like. I think you have to stagger the releases. You can't have four companies all in December showing, hey, we're going to reveal three pinball machines. I mean, that seems like it's a little bit too much. Well, maybe, but let me throw you this, though. This just crossed my brain. So let's just say they announce Led Zeppelin in December, right? $7,500 price point. Yeah. And they come out with Guns N' Roses. Same structure as they did with Wonka. And you'd be at $7,500 for a standard. You'd be at $7,500. Do you go for the Led Zeppelin or do you go for... That's huge. I would assume Led Zeppelin has a much larger following than Guns N' Roses. Guns N' Roses, where they're widely popular, they haven't really been, I would say, not pertinent, but they haven't been on... Relevant as they were in their heyday. but it's they're kind of both timeless when you think about that like guns and roses and you're a fan of guns and roses those those songs live on just like led zeppelin now i'm not saying that guns and roses is led zeppelin or vice versa but i can see where the appeal could be there for all of those all of those people that are fans i just think that the fan base it's probably a little bit larger for led zeppelin than for guns and roses that i don't know man that being said okay go Go ahead. You're going to have, and if it's any indicator on what we can expect from Beatles being released, you're going to have a Stern kind of remake of an older license or an older title versus a brand new game from Jersey Jack Pinball that's going to take advantage of all modern day technology and they're probably going to pack it with everything they can throw into it. Well, it's two music pins by two different companies released in the same month, if that happens. Two vastly different approaches to making those pinball machines. different i'm speculating yeah oh yeah yeah we're just building a right house out of speculation here it it would i know but i mean it'd be like two completely different fighters going up against each other in the ring and it's like who's going to come out ahead i mean you you've got the track record of both companies and and you can kind of guess and what you're to expect i don't know i don't man just blew my mind we'll see it could be interesting we'll see what else is going on we're just going to kind of freestyle it here we no show notes today we're just kind of getting into uh we got thanksgiving coming up we got thanksgiving so we should probably be thankful for some things absolutely absolutely i uh you want to take the lead on that yeah that's fine all right so just pinball in general or just life let's stay with pinball yeah life is too complicated life is too complicated what you got bill all right thankful list i am thankful for the abundance of pinball manufacturers i am also thankful for the abundance of pinball manufacturers So, you know, you go from Stern, JJP, American, Spooky, Deeper, all these guys. They're pushing the envelope and making each other work harder, man. Kind of like the heyday of pinball back in the late 80s, early 90s. Yeah, yeah. It's a good time to be in pinball, and it's an exciting time. And to see these companies all not surviving but even thriving, I think it's pretty awesome. Well, and they're all bringing in fresh blood, too. You know, with Scott Denise, Keith Owen, Eric Minier, you know, new coders, Tim Sexton jumped in the ring, Tanya jumped in. I like that. I mean, you can almost say that you're thankful for the innovation of the hiring process and just getting fresh thought processes from the staff that's being hired amongst the pinball companies, too. Just across the board. Yeah, exactly. Dude, if you go on Pinside, dude, there's an abundance of machines just not dialed in in Chicago. But other than that, I mean, you could kind of, you know, it's a great time for pinball. It is. So I'm very grateful for that, man. I mean, all these guys keep knocking out these titles, and, you know, they're not, I don't want to say this. They're good themes and good licenses that are coming out. Yeah, for sure. For sure. You think about some of the games from the early 2000s, and you just shake your head, and you're like, you know. That was when pinball was trying to come back in. Well, pinball was just hanging by a thread. I'll say, you know what? I am thankful for the operators because I don't think the operators in pinball get enough credit because without them kind of keeping the scene alive, I don't know that the exposure and the trend is as heavy as it is currently. There's always going to be that home market. But to now have location pinball be kind of a cool, trendy thing, and especially those operators that are in there maintaining the machines and making sure that they're playing up to expectations and what people would like to have out of those machines, I think it's really huge. And what I've found out now, as I've known more and more people in pinball, there's a lot of hobbyists that are kind of the part-time operator. And I think that's really cool, too. Like Brian Cosner, he operates. I didn't realize that, but he's got games on location. Neil from PinQuest, he's got games on location. And it's not their primary source of income. And they've got secondary sources of income. But putting games on route is just their way of kind of obviously maybe recouping some costs of the game, but also sharing pinball. I just heard Neil say that he put a Willy Wonka out in Colorado, and it's like the only Willy Wonka that's available for anybody to play in Denver. It's just crazy that that's even the situation. Yeah, so kudos to the operators. We do appreciate it. That's a good band, dude. I could not see it stick in my brand-new machine in a pizza joint or a barcade. Sorry. Well, no, you know what? I think he didn't just take it out of his house. I mean, he bought it for a location. But, yeah, you're right. You're right. It is. Especially me. I'm not built for that, dude. Cinnamon hands. Yeah, exactly. I would take a 20-some-year-old lethal weapon, clean it up, dude, and throw it on location and say, have at it. Yeah, you know it, man. That's a perfect game for it. Oh, that's a perfect game for location. Oh, yeah. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, okay, okay. Okay. What am I grateful for? Pinball part suppliers. Yes, that's a really good one, actually. Well, and this came into play last, the other, well, kind of last week when I had a little time when he was sleeping, dude, and I went downstairs and started addressing some of the things I wanted to get taken care of. And I was thinking about, you know, this Gottlieb Cactus Jacks that I have. Wrong legs. I have William legs on it right now and I need to get the right legs because it sitting too tall and uh just thinking about you know what people did before all these suppliers you know before your pinball ice your marcos and oh yeah you're fabricating your own kind of parts to get through right well that's that's how terry started if you remember him telling us the story yeah he had an adams family couldn't find a part he had to have you know 200 made and he's like well i'll throw it on ebay yep and then you know from there it went pinball life was born pinball life was born yeah Out of his house. Now it's a huge warehouse. Two huge, well, two warehouses now. Yeah, well, he combined two into one. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, especially grateful for those guys that keep these games going. You know, without them, all these old games, dude, we'd be screwed. Yeah. And there was a point where I think, you know, it could have really went south quick. Absolutely. Good. That's a good one. I'm going to say I'm thankful, especially now, for pinball content providers. and I think it's offered a whole other dynamic to the hobby for people that are getting into the hobby or for people that are looking to pass the time in the hobby, whether you turn on YouTube and you watch your favorite YouTube channel or you turn on your favorite podcast or you turn on your favorite streamer. In most of these cases, people are doing this stuff on their own time and on their own dime and it just really helps, in my opinion, to further the hobby, to increase the exposure of pinball and there's nothing that's bad that comes out of that at all in my personal opinion. So I tip my hat and kudos and thank you to all the pinball content providers that are out there. And if you're considering doing something like that, I encourage you to just throw your hat in the ring and see what happens. Do your homework and know what you're talking about and do the best that you can. Don't represent pinball in a poor light, unless that's your thing. And sometimes it is. It is. Pinball content providers, though, it's really made it's elevated the hobby for me as somebody that's a pinball enthusiast, because I know that any time I mean, 24 seven, I can almost put on Twitch and see somebody streaming pinball if I want to. And 24 seven, I can almost always find a podcast episode that's pinball related that I haven't listened to yet. And 24 seven, I can go on YouTube and I can stream any content from there that's been archived or or that's just ready for me to kind of absorb. and at any time it's so easy for me to kind of have access to that and it's because these people put in the work and the effort. So that's what I'm thankful for. Well, I'm going to kind of spin off of what you said here with content providers, going to Kerry Hardy who's a YouTube content provider, but he's a different take on it. He's a restorer. So I want to be thankful. I'm thankful for all the guys that are taking the time in their garages, saving games from the dumpster, rebuilding stuff like your Kerry Hardys, your Schmitty's, even our buddy Wally down in Frankford or Tinley Park. Even Brian Kelly, I think, came out of retirement to do another game. He can't stay away, Brian Kelly. High-end pins. All these guys are saving these stuff. I mean, there's a finite amount of these pinball machines left. So these guys that are taking basket cases that probably by right should be walked to the curb or parted out to keep the other games alive, these guys are keeping this stuff still alive. So very grateful for that. So thank you guys for putting in all your hard work and saving these things from the dumpsters. Yeah, absolutely. I am thankful for our Special Inlet family. Absolutely. And that's you, Bill. I mean, you're my guy. We started this podcast a little over a year ago, and we're having fun. It's our correspondents that are all on board. Our buddy Steve Beattie. Our buddy Steve Beattie, who's been really instrumental, especially lately. It's great to have him as part of the team. And then people that take time out of their day to listen to what we're doing and watch what we provide. I mean, thank you guys for spending some time with us. It really is awesome. It's a really good feeling. And our buddies in the St. Charles Pinball Club. St. Charles Pinball Club. You know. Yeah. Without them giving us feedback saying, you know, I love that one line you had in this or whatever. I don't know. You know what? It's funny because those guys don't ever talk to me really about podcasting. But I do miss hanging out with those guys because a lot of the free time that we've had, we've put into doing some other things content-wise. So with winter here, it's pinball season. I'm looking forward to kind of rekindling the moment with those guys. So shout out to the St. Charles pinball crew. So that's a good one. I am also thankful for – and this is kind of a segue. Do you have anything else on your list? I didn't even make a list. I'm kind of content with my list. I'm thankful for Project Pinball Charities. Really? Why would this be? It's because, I mean, these guys have been placing pinball machines in children's hospitals. They've placed over 40. And it's great because Daniel Spoler is working with us with our special one-lift fundraiser. And I'm going to touch on this for just a minute, guys, because I think it's important to do so. And then I wanted to talk a little bit about what Kenaid has offered to this and kind of where all this is going. because it's a topic right now, and I'd like to kind of offer my thoughts on it. First and foremost, that $8,000 goal that we need to hit that pinball machine to get placed in a children's hospital is looking like it could be realistic at this point. And for those of you that haven't listened, we are essentially on December 20th at 6 p.m. That's a Friday, going to December 21st at 6 p.m. It's 24 hours. We're running like a charity fundraiser, almost like an old-school telethon where we're going to stream on Twitch for 24 consecutive hours. There's going to be pinball being played. We're going to have discussions and interviews with people from the industry and pinball celebrities and ambassadors and personalities. We may even have some content that we'll be uploading that night that's going to be fresh and new. We are going to have some special items that you might be able to bid on if you're into that sort of thing. Now, literally all the money that's being raised during that 24-hour event, is going to Project Pinball. And what we're trying to do is we're trying to get a brand-new pinball machine placed in a children's hospital in Chicago. So $8,000 is kind of the goal. This is what we need to be able to give Project Pinball so they can take care of all the rest and get it placed and serviced and maintained and insured and all of that. Now, recently, and it was last week, Chris Caloris from Canadian Pinball Podcast, he had bought a Big Lebowski. And it's kind of like it's a – It's a bad penny. Let's just – It's tough, right? It's kind of bittersweet. And if you don't know what the Big Lebowski is, in a nutshell, a company came out, made the Big Lebowski pinball machine, had people preorder. They never filled the preorders because they got into an issue with making good on payments with the manufacturer. So those games were held. The people that paid money for their games never got their games. And in order for the company that made Big Lebowski to get out of legal trouble and to try to make the original people good again, they had to resell the games that were already paid for to a fresh new set of buyers. And that was actually the manufacturer that was selling those at that point because they were kind of liquidating assets like they didn't need to hang on to them. So Chris acquires one of these machines. He buys it for $12,500. So what he's saying is he just doesn't feel good about the story behind it, and he doesn't really want to keep the game. And that being said. And he's been looking for a way to see what to do with it. I mean, he's talked about it a few times on the podcast, but he was like, I don't want to sell it for profit. You know, I don't want somebody else to sell it for profit or, you know, this, that or the other. And he's had a hard time with this for the last couple of months since he's owned it. And he doesn't want to keep it. So what he's offered to do is he's offered to list the game and it's for sale. And it's just going to be like like an auction that you can bid on up for like two weeks. and I think it's the second Sunday in December at midnight it ends. And then what happens is any money that is paid for the machine over $12,500, he's going to take that, which would have been his profit. He's going to donate that to our Special Inlet fundraiser, which will then go to Project Pinball. So essentially what's going to happen is I'm just going to ask Chris to write the check to Project Pinball. That way there's no reason for us to play middleman on that huge of a transaction. I thought it was a really kind and generous thing that he had done. Now, I mean, let's be honest. Chris is polarizing, and he has upset people, and he's got a big fan base. And we've had him on our show, and I thought it was a nice episode. I had a good conversation with him, and I know you did. And I will be going on his show at some point because if it happened last week, I couldn't. But soon enough, we'll be making that happen. So that's good. I'm looking forward to hearing that. Now, it's come to my attention. He's recently received some blowback for what he's trying to do, and whether it be somebody upset with him because they think that he should sell the machine and give all the money to charity or somebody that believes that if he was going to donate the money to the charity, he should have done it silently without announcing it, this, that, and the other thing. I think it's unfortunate because at this point, it's like the guy can't do anything right with it. And it's frustrating for me because you've got people that are kind of going out of their way to badmouth somebody that's trying to do something positive, spin a positive out of what was a negative. And when you look at the end game on this, it's to help kids that are having serious life issues and life-threatening issues potentially kind of take their minds off of a daily struggle that they have. I mean, guys, these are kids. It's not adults that are able to rationalize what's happening. These are children that don't understand why for the most part, and they're just trying to get better. If a pinball machine can be placed and it serves for a distraction for even 10 minutes for them to get their minds off of what is obviously just taking a toll on them physically and emotionally, I don't see how anybody comes in and says anything negative for somebody that's trying to help them. And again, listen, I'm not saying that you need to if you've got a beef with this guy that you need to forgive the guy or or you need to be his best friend. But I think you have to realize what the goal is. And I am proud to be able to work with him on this because of the cause. Oh, yeah. And I want to be clear that it's very disappointing if I think somebody would use something like this for their personal agenda to kind of badmouth the intent, whether it be for Chris or his intentions. I'm just going to say it. And here's the thing. I see him wanting to get what he put into this machine and just walk away. Right. Because it is kind of the tainted history and everything else. Yep. How many people in this hobby can walk away from 12.5 and be fine with it, number one? Number two, how many people would be lured into buying a machine for 12.5 and flipping it and not caring too much? Well, and that was the thing, right? If he sells it for 12.5, it just leaves the door open for somebody else to flip it and then to make that money. And I'm not saying that's a bad thing. I'm just saying this is a situation now where that profit on the 12.5 is going to go to help some kids that are sick. Yeah. instead of somebody flipping it and then putting the money in their account and doing something for themselves. Meanwhile, the early achievers totally got bamboozled. In my eyes, this is one of the few positive spins that you can take out of selling a big Lebowski. If I could buy this game for what I think it would be worth, I would buy it because this is one that wouldn't really have the – the tainted past would be at least something positive came out of it. Sure. You know, this would be one that I would love to own. You know, it's not in the cards right now. And that's fine. You know, I'm not begrudging that. And hopefully somebody picks it up that wanted this game, that had the means, and they want to buy a game with a great story and say, hey, listen, this company screwed up when they made the game. These guys did something good because of this. A pinball machine, you know, well, this helped put a pinball machine in for kids that have serious illness. Yeah, exactly. You know, even if the people don't play the game, that's still just a good story of something bad. I agree. I agree. So I guess I'm just asking for those that have negative intent with this and spinning it in a different direction to really rethink what you're doing. And consider that you're making this difficult for somebody that's just trying to do a good thing. And I think if you really kind of set back and look at it objectively, you can kind of see where this can turn into a positive with this option. So that's all I'm asking. It doesn mean I mad at you or anything like that but it would be disappointing for me to watch somebody especially publicly try to drag somebody through donating money for charity for kids hospital It like wow And I want to bring up the pin side thing too You can but let me throw that Yeah go ahead Even if you absolutely despise somebody right They've lied. They've cheated. They screwed you out of money. Do you really wish ill intentions on somebody? I can see people that would absolutely wish ill intentions. You don't have to wish the best for them. You really don't. But, you know, if they're in a car and it's burning, and 10 seconds of your time will save their life, everybody should be a big enough person to – And sometimes we're not all big enough people. I am absolutely in the group of people, and I don't want to sidetrack on this, but it's like we're all human beings, so it's natural for us to react. If somebody screws you over, I think it's natural for you to kind of want to get that person back and be vindictive or hold a grudge. It's absolutely natural. I totally understand it. I totally get it. But when you're talking kids or livelihoods or things like that, that's a game changer. If somebody did something to me that really hurt me or disappointed me and then they wanted to try to do something to help sick kids, I can't see myself going out of my way to make that difficult for them. But I can certainly see me holding a grudge. I just – I could. Grudges are one thing, but coming up and publicly blasting on said forum. Well, and that's why with Pinside – so I guess Chris has been banned from Pinside. We know the story. That was kind of the big reason that he started his podcast, because he wanted an outlet and he wanted to talk about things that were going on at Pinside, but he couldn't be there anymore. And the one thing that I wanted to bring up, though, with Pinside was that I guess Chris had asked if somebody could post the auction on his behalf. And it was posted and then it was removed and it was asked to move to Marketplace. And I think it was taken down. And at first I was upset about it. It's like, man, why would Pinside do that? But, I mean, when I kind of sit back and look at it, I kind of get it. I mean, I can understand where they don't want him to be able to hold court there indirectly because of a relationship that's been tarnished. And Chris does have other outlets in which he can kind of get bids for this machine, whether it be on Facebook or wherever else he has it, where I think it's unfortunate that they don't want that post on their site. I kind of can see it. I just don't know that I agree with it, but it is what it is. If you want to bid on this machine, go to Canadas Pinball Podcast, his Facebook page. It's probably the easiest way to just go ahead and place a bid there. And remember, anything that goes over the 12-5 is going to go to kids, and that check is going to be written directly to Project Pinball. And consider doing a good deed this year and get a machine. And somebody else is like, well, why would you do that when you can just donate money to Project Pinball for $50 and then enter the raffle for free? It's like, yeah, you absolutely can do that. But you're paying $50, and you're trying to get a free pinball machine out of it, and you're also donating. So, okay, that's great. But this guy is selling a machine and will most likely have thousands of dollars. So he's giving up a machine to break even, and then he's donating thousands of dollars that he could have had. On a machine that you know you're going to make money on. I think it's apples to oranges. So I don't know. Just I'm backing him up on this and I don't back Chris up on on some of what he says or what he does. But I respect his opinion and I respect his podcast. I do listen to his show. And, you know, me too. Personally, our relationship between the two of us, there's I have not had any problems with Chris. So I know that some people have. And I'm sure that people have problems with other people, too. It's just it is what it is. I can't base my relationship on somebody because of a problem somebody else had. I just I know. But he's always answered the phone and he's always been diplomatic, even if we didn't agree or disagree. Well, no, I guess what I'm trying to say, though, I guess what I'm trying to say is because we are working together on something, it doesn't necessarily mean that. I mean, it's almost like junior high stuff. Well, it's like, well, I don't like Chris. So if you're going to be friends with Chris and I'm not going to like you to now and I'm sure for some of that, it goes a lot deeper. But, I mean, for some things, it's kind of like, guys, I mean, it's a holiday season and we're talking about kids here. So I can't tell you how to run your life. I can't tell you how you should feel about me or Bill because we're working with Chris to try to raise some money for a children's hospital. I can't tell you how to do that. I would hope that you would kind of, again, take in the big picture here and then be able to kind of make a decision that makes sense and not take it so personal. And I guess that's what I'm trying to say. It's for kids. And I don't know if I really articulated myself very well. No, but you know what? Over the last several minutes. Dude, you know what? At the end of the day, it's for kids. I don't care. You know, people's personal agendas or crap or beef that they have in the past, it's for kids. And if you don't like it, if you don't like that he's doing this, we'll step up and try and help out in another way. Yeah, right. Exactly. So what we're going to do is you'll be able to come in on Twitch. And our Twitch, this is going to be streamed on special when lit. It's our podcast channel. Normally we stream for Flippin' Out Pinball on Mondays. So not to be confusing, but we do have our own channel. and this charity stream is going to be on the Special When Lit channel. And that is twitch.tv slash Special When Lit Podcast. It's all one word. If you type that in and you hit follow, it doesn't cost you anything to do that. But at least you'll be notified when the channel goes live. For instance, I'm going to stream Lord Rings tonight with Steve Beattie. I know you've got to leave after the podcast. And we're just going to hang out and have some fun. Because the damn Elvira's not here, so we can't stream that. I'm flipping out. It was kind of my bad on that, too. No, it wasn't your bad on that at all. That's FedEx freight that made a mistake. It is what it is. So I will also have a PayPal link that I'll be posting soon that you can donate directly to the PayPal link. And for sizable donations, please contact me directly because I want to make sure that if you would like to get the tax deduction, that we get that sizable donation and care of our special fund raiser. and I'd like for you to be recognized for that. But I would like, I'd prefer that to go directly through Project Pinball so that you do have that tax deduction. Absolutely. We are not a 501c3, so we don't have any way in which we can offer you tax deductions. In fact, the way that I'm understanding it is anything that comes to us personally has to be claimed as like earnings, income. And I'm fine with that. So, I mean, if I have to pay a bunch of taxes, it's because we did a good job with the kids. But, you know, so more information to come on that and that's coming in a few weeks. So it's exciting. You got anything else, man? We're going to we are going to skip, drain it or save it today. And there's a reason for that. And I'll explain that next week. But I absolutely want to recognize Robin Kim at Lermods.com. And if you're looking for custom quality playfield mods and lighting for your pinball machine, you want to go to L-E-R-M-O-D-S Lermods.com today. We've got a coupon code that you can use. It's S-W-L-1-0. That's good for 10% off your order of $50 or more at Lermods.com. and they are awesome people. And if you've got a Willy Wonka or you've got a Jurassic Park or you've got an Elvira, go there now because there's awesome mods there and then put in the coupon code SWL10. Get 10% off. It's good times. It doesn't get any better. No. And then take that 10% that you saved and donate to kids. Right? That's a win-win then. Doesn't Jack Danger always say that? Donate to kids? I reached out to Jack Danger today. Did you? I did. I asked if he would come in and spend some time with us on the stream for like an hour. Ah. So I don't know if he opened my message or not. But, Jack, if you're listening to the podcast, I think it would be great if you could come out and spend an hour at a time and just hang with us. Let us know. We're local. He said if we're local, we should be getting together. So I'm inviting you to get together. He's been out here before. He recorded a pod. In fact, he was out here. That was the only episode that you – Two episodes. Two episodes. But, yeah, that was on the way here. You had an emergency at the Vale. So I sat down and recorded that episode with Jack Danger. I want to say this too, guys. So we have this – the holiday show is coming up. Okay, so last year – and this is episode 30, okay? If you haven't listened to episode 30, it's about an hour and a half. We had 40 guests on the show, and we asked them two things. What was your prediction for 2019, which is this whole year? What was the other thing we asked? Dude, we're 50 episodes past now, man. I'm drawing a blink on what I did yesterday. I thought I remember we asked him two things, but I think it's going to be fun to kind of go back and listen to that because, I mean, you had everybody on there from, you know, ourselves and Zach and Greg from straight down the middle and Gary Stern and George Gomez and Jersey Jack. I mean, they're all on this episode and they're making their predictions for 2019. I think it'd be fun to go back and see who was very right and who was so very wrong on that. Now, what we're going to do this year, and this episode is going to air towards the end of the year, is we're going to ask a bunch of guests similar questions. But it's going to be this. It's going to be what was your favorite moment of 2019, and what is your one wish, pinball-related, for 2020? So be ready for that because we've already started receiving audio for that, and it's a huge episode that we do. And we'll get it in about an hour and a half. But it goes fast, so get ready to listen to that. It's the holidays. Very, very busy for us at Special One Lit, but it's a good time. And you produced last year. That was very well produced. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, we got some really good feedback on that episode. So, again, check that out. And look in the archives because if Brian Eddy has a game coming up, guess what? We did a Brian Eddy interview. Yes, we did. And for those of you that might be new to the show, episode 28 was with Brian Eddy, and that's an hour and a half. And it was his first pinball podcast of his career. and I'd be curious to see if he drops any hints there. I know that he teased a lot of Bill and Ted's on that show. What if Bill and Ted's is coming up here and it just freaking catches us all surprised by some point? That would be pretty awesome. So go back to the archives. If there's somebody that's interesting in pinball, there's a pretty good chance that we have interviewed them. Go back. And if there's somebody that you haven't heard interviewed and you'd like for us to interview them, because we kind of took a backseat on interviews this year. I mean, we interviewed so many people the prior year. I think what we started doing is we started getting into this groove where we wanted to interview staff post-release after a new game that had come out. Like we did the making of Willy Wonka, which was really fun. The making of Monsters Pinball, which was really fun. And we do these roundtable discussions. We'll get four, five, six people in at the same time, and it's just fun to listen to those stories. So instead of kind of doing one-on-ones, we took a different approach, and I thought it was fun. And we've had a lot of these guys on stream, too, though. Yeah. So what we might not have had on the podcast, I mean, we've had quite a few on stream. Yeah. I mean, this year alone, we had George Gomez on stream. We had Chuck Ernst in a few times on stream. We've got Greg Ferrer is is coming in to stream Elvira's House of Horrors with us on the Flippin' Out streaming network. And that's going to be in the first week of December. And then for this 24 hour charity stream, we've got a lot of pinball people coming in that are going to be streaming pinball with us and just sitting down, have a conversation. It's it's just good times, guys. I can't express enough that you're in the right place if you're just looking for some laid-back pinball content from pinball enthusiasts. We appreciate it. Awesome. You got anything else? I'm going to say that every five minutes. You got anything else? You know what I do? I just want to reach out, say what up to my buddy Joe Fox. He reached out last week. That was a good conversation, so got to throw a shout-out to him. Special shout-out. Can I say this about Joe Fox? without a doubt one of the most supportive professional super nice guys in all of pinball is joe fox and i i i could sit down and do a podcast on joe fox we need to have joe fox come on the show absolutely because he's got pinball stories and he's an interesting collector and he's a super nice guy he would be really fun to have on the show and he's had like not everything but dude he's had quite a collection yes yes and he's not afraid to let him go early no they're not he doesn't turn and burn let's reach out to joe fox let's get him on it'd be great to have a conversation with joe because if you don't know joe fox you want to you want to get to know joe fox he's the type of person that exemplifies pinball like it's a good example of pinball he keeps it real he does he does just honest laid back you know i think this is kind of yeah no he's a good he's a super good guy great guy awesome well hey so pardon our mumbling today again no show notes we just kind of went off the cuff a little bit of a a freestyle episode of Special When Lit. If you want to get a hold of us at the show, you can reach us at specialwhenlitpinballpodcast at gmail.com. You can reach us on Facebook, specialwhenlitpinballpodcast. And Bill, what's the Instagram? specialwhenlitpinball. That's awesome. For Bill Webb, I am Ken Cromwell. Everybody have a good morning, good afternoon, good evening. And don't forget to take some time out of your day and play some pinball. So long, everybody.

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