# Episode 79: Ian Talks Clear Coats and Drew and Ian learn about Tartans! **Source:** Poor Man's Pinball Podcast **Type:** podcast_episode **Published:** 2020-11-05 **Beat:** Pinball **URL:** https://poormanspinballpodcast.libsyn.com/episode-79-ian-talks-clear-coats-and-drew-and-ian-learn-about-tartans --- ## Analysis Poor Man's Pinball Podcast Episode 79 features hosts Scott Ian and Drew discussing pinball news, personal game acquisitions, and community updates. Drew acquired a Spider-Man pinball machine and is selling Firepower, while discussing powder coating for another machine. The episode covers Haggis Pinball's Celts homebrew release, Jack Danger's $4,000 charity fundraising for Project Pinball, and includes banter about tartan kilts and clear coat discussion promised for later. ### Key Claims - [HIGH] Jack Danger raised $4,000 for Project Pinball charity — _Hosts discussing This Week in Pinball news items; attributed to Jack Danger/Deadflip_ - [HIGH] Haggis Pinball's Celts homebrew ships to US for approximately $900 by boat or $1,100 by air — _Drew citing information from Haggis Pinball stream discussing shipping costs_ - [MEDIUM] Haggis Pinball's Celts is priced at approximately $6,000 in the US — _Drew quoting from Haggis Pinball stream; stated as 'roughly $6,000, I believe, right? Give or take'_ - [HIGH] Celts is a single-level game from Haggis Pinball — _Drew noting 'it's one of those things...we only played a game or two' and later 'it is a single-level game'_ - [HIGH] Drew's Spider-Man came with color DMD included, saving $400 — _Drew discussing his new Spider-Man acquisition: 'came with the color DMD already, so I saved myself 400 bucks'_ - [HIGH] Firepower being picked up by buyer from Kentucky driving 7-8 hours — _Drew discussing personal news: 'A guy is coming on Wednesday from Kentucky to pick up my firepower...they're driving seven hours'_ - [HIGH] Flippin' Out Pinball (Nicole) provided Drew an Avengers loaner while TMNT is being serviced — _Drew making correction about Avengers loan: 'Flippin' Out Pinball with uh nicole's big heart she said drew can have an avengers'_ - [HIGH] Meteor machine being powder coated will take 3-4 weeks — _Drew discussing personal machine work: 'dropped off for the powder coat...going to take three or four weeks'_ - [HIGH] Spider-Man topper features chrome webbing design and says Spider-Man — _Drew describing new topper: 'it's actually Papa Duke cool. It's like the chrome webbing, and it just says Spider-Man'_ - [HIGH] Sam Stern did not loan Drew a game as some listeners may have thought from previous episode — _Drew making correction: 'some people may have gotten the impression that Sam Stern loaned me a game not true'_ ### Notable Quotes > "Did you think I was going to sell a game and not get another one?" > — **Drew**, ~13:00 > _Humorous statement about obtaining Spider-Man replacement after selling Firepower; illustrates collector compulsion_ > "I'm such a conundrum and an enigma wrapped in a something." > — **Scott Ian**, ~28:00 > _Self-deprecating commentary about on-air persona and off-the-rails nature of the show_ > "Haggis Pinball rolled up his sleeves one day and was like, fuck it, I'm going to make it. And he's going to make it better than any other homebrew." > — **Drew**, ~42:00 > _Expresses admiration for Haggis Pinball's commitment to production quality for Celts homebrew_ > "By the time we get what we want, it'll be a $10,000 game, which we would then be able to sell for $5,000." > — **Drew**, ~50:00 > _Commentary on economics of customizing Celts with Poor Man clan features; illustrates pricing humor_ > "Why I still listen? It helps me fall asleep." > — **Pete Quint (chat)**, ~35:00 > _Humorous audience feedback about show's appeal; hosts joke about this being insulting_ > "I loved the whale episode and repeated Drew's comments to multiple people that week because I truly believe he was accurate as fuck." > — **Jonathan Hall (chat)**, ~36:00 > _References previous whale heartbeat discussion episode; indicates listener engagement with show content_ > "We're a little loose with the rules around here. I know we don't come across that way, but yeah, a little loose." > — **Scott Ian**, ~38:00 > _Meta-commentary about show's casual format and willingness to accept creative audience submissions_ > "I'm wearing a pink tartan." > — **Drew**, ~56:00 > _Response to audience question about tartan color preference; hosts admit unfamiliarity with tartan term despite owning kilts_ ### Entities | Name | Type | Context | |------|------|---------| | Poor Man's Pinball Podcast | organization | Long-running informal pinball podcast hosted by Scott Ian and Drew; episode 79 features personal news, industry gossip, and sponsored content | | Drew | person | Co-host of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast; recently acquired Spider-Man pinball machine and is selling Firepower; undergoing Meteor powder coating | | Scott Ian | person | Co-host of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast; drinks Loaded Landshark; promised to discuss clear coats later in episode | | Zach Sharpe | person | Owner of Flippin' Out Pinball distribution company; provided Drew with Avengers loaner; mentioned as sponsor contact for game orders | | Nicole | person | Works with Flippin' Out Pinball; offered Drew Avengers game on loan while TMNT is being serviced | | Jack Danger | person | Deadflip; raised $4,000 for Project Pinball charity; recognized in This Week in Pinball news | | Haggis Pinball | person | Australian homebrew pinball manufacturer; created Celts single-level game; hosted stream for game reveal; scheduled to appear on Poor Man's Pinball Podcast but didn't show | | Dr. John | person | Community member awaiting game #1 of Haggis Pinball's Celts; appeared in chat during episode | | Troy | person | Powder coat service provider in Midwest; also sells arcade and pinball games; referenced as reliable vendor | | Bill Webb | person | Dropped off Avengers machine for Drew from Flippin' Out Pinball; recent in-person meeting with Drew | | Sam Stern | person | Stern Pinball service contact; diagnosed Drew's TMNT diverter issue; clarified he did not loan game to Drew | | Jeff Patterson | person | Host of This Week in Pinball; provides pinball industry news content used on Poor Man's Pinball Podcast | | Flippin' Out Pinball | company | Pinball distributor/rental company; sponsor of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast; offers game orders and loaner programs | | Haggis Pinball | company | Australian homebrew pinball manufacturer producing Celts single-level game; ships to US for $900-$1,100 | | Zen Studios | company | Digital pinball platform developer; released Game Pack #6 with Space Station, Dr. Dude, and Funhaus | | Pinshades | company | Sponsor offering glare-free solutions for pinball machines; offers promo 'poormans' for discount | | Pin Stadium Lights | company | Sponsor offering Hyper Beams and Neo Fusion lighting; promo code 'poormans' for 10% off at pinstadium.com | | Pinballprices.com | company | Sponsor pinball buying/selling marketplace operated by Doc Finlay | | This Week in Pinball | organization | Pinball industry news website providing news items discussed on Poor Man's Pinball Podcast | | Tee'd Off Pinball | company | Sponsor of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast; associated with Haggis Pinball clan feature in Celts | | Steven Martin | person | Poor Man's Pinball listener #15; recently moved to Appleton, Wisconsin; enjoys Milwaukee cheese curds | | Spider-Man | game | Stern pinball game recently acquired by Drew; includes color DMD and chrome webbing topper | | Celts | game | Haggis Pinball single-level homebrew game; priced ~$6,000 US; shipping $900-$1,100 to US; game #1 going to Dr. John | | Oktoberfest | game | Spooky Pinball rerun game; Drew's current favorite; plays all week; never leaving his collection | ### Topics - **Primary:** Personal game acquisitions and collection management, Haggis Pinball Celts homebrew game release and specifications - **Secondary:** Charity fundraising and community engagement (Jack Danger/Project Pinball), Show sponsorships and promotional partnerships, Pinball machine service and customization (powder coating, toppers, DMD upgrades), Pricing and economics of pinball collecting - **Mentioned:** Digital pinball platforms (Zen Studios/Pinball FX3), Clear coat discussion (promised for later in episode) ### Sentiment **Positive** (0.82) — Hosts express genuine enthusiasm for games (Oktoberfest, Spider-Man, Celts), community members, and sponsors. Playful banter and self-deprecating humor dominates. Appreciation expressed for Haggis Pinball's work, Flippin' Out's generosity, and audience engagement. No significant negative sentiment despite joking complaints about being busy and adulting. ### Signals - **[community_signal]** Jack Danger fundraising campaign for Project Pinball successfully raised $4,000 charity (confidence: high) — Hosts citing This Week in Pinball news coverage and celebrating charitable achievement - **[community_signal]** Flippin' Out Pinball demonstrates proactive customer care through loaner program while machines are in service (confidence: high) — Drew receiving Avengers loaner while TMNT is diagnosed and repaired; credit given to Nicole for 'big heart' - **[design_philosophy]** Haggis Pinball demonstrated commitment to production quality with corrections and refinements to Celts playfield mechanics post-initial playtesting (confidence: medium) — Drew noting prior issues with ball getting stuck and straight down middles on horseshoe shot; stream showing corrections made: 'it was super smooth' - **[market_signal]** Homebrew pinball Celts priced at approximately $6,000-$7,000 USD all-in with shipping, positioning as premium collector item from independent manufacturer (confidence: medium) — Drew calculating economics: '$6,000 to start...Plus another $900...almost $10,000' with customization - **[market_signal]** Australian homebrew manufacturer shipping costs to US market approximately $900-$1,100 depending on method (boat vs air), adding 15-18% to base game price (confidence: high) — Haggis Pinball stream discussion cited by Drew: '$900...takes a month or two...about 1100 bucks...four to six days' - **[announcement]** Haggis Pinball's Celts homebrew pinball machine officially released; game #1 going to Dr. John, additional units available for order (confidence: high) — Multiple detailed discussions of Celts specifications, pricing ($6,000 base), shipping costs ($900-$1,100), and release stream watched by hosts - **[product_strategy]** Spider-Man pinball includes color DMD standard, providing $400 value savings vs. aftermarket upgrade (confidence: high) — Drew noting inclusion: 'came with the color DMD already, so I saved myself 400 bucks' - **[technology_signal]** Zen Studios released Game Pack #6 with Space Station, Dr. Dude, and Funhaus for Pinball FX3 digital platform (confidence: medium) — Hosts discussing new digital game pack; Space Station identified as new favorite --- ## Transcript This episode of the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast is brought to you by Flip N Out Pinball. Get a new shiny, talk to Zach and Nicole, get yourself a new game, get your Avengers on order, get your Guns N' Roses on order, make it happen. Some of them might not be coming out for a little bit, but call up Zach and get your new game. Get that Oktoberfest. Ooh, the new run, baby. The small rerun of Oktoberfest. Going hot. We did talk to him. He does got a couple, right? Hot takes. So there you go. No, it's end of the month. End of the month. End of the month. Okay, cool. So get your Oktoberfest. There you go. Pinshades. Go talk to everybody, Jockton. Pinside.com. Check out Pinshades. Use them. You did it. You did it. Track your balls. Track your balls within all the glare-free. And one of our newer sponsors, Zen Studios. Just released Game Pack number six, Williams Pack number six. I was playing with it the other day. What's in that one? That is Space Station, Dr. Dude, and Funhaus. Ooh, I got to get me on that one then. I got to tell you, Space Station, one of my new faves now. Pinball FX3, that's a great, great platform. Zen Studios, check them out. We're also brought to you by Pin Stadium Lights. Tell Scott we sent you. Get those awesome Hyper Beams or Neo Fusions for your game today. Use poormans at checkout for 10% off your order. Pin Stadium Lights, pinstadium.com, awesome place to be. Pinballprices.com, Doc Finlay. Thank you, Doc. thank you doc what a great site buying selling a game pinballprices.com why are you tripping me up today i don't know man i'm just loving it pinballprices.com thanks doc and last but not least we have we have our buddy jeff patterson with twip he is the man with all the news in the pinball hobby we love him we love his site go to twip this week in pinball for all the latest news we're going to be going over several news items today in today's episode uh from the twip website thank you jeff for everything that you do for the hobby i don't care what anyone else says about you you're a good man we love you it's the first pinball podcast to crowdfund a re-theme of october fest for kessler's home of the very first seven thousand dollar laser you've heard it in first baby that's of course poor man's pinball podcast all right welcome to the poor man's pinball podcast episode number 79 how do i always know that and you never know i never know i never know yeah welcome to sloppy show on the internet and that's why that is why bill and that was a bill in 10 i want i want to i want to first apologize to all of our sponsors i was i was a little off on the intro today for two reasons a ian always rushes me i'm trying to get twitch up i'm trying to get to chat i want to make this professional ian's like let's get started let's get started we have a schedule motherfucker yeah 8 30 oh we're regimented it's 8 20 and you're still shooting the shit with my wife i'm like well we gotta get going you know when it starts your wife's more interesting than you I know this she knows this the audience doesn't need to know this she is so anyways so I'm getting this stuff set up and I was a little distracted and then I keep telling you like when I look at Ian when I'm doing that then I I kind of lose it you know so I'm better when I'm looking straight ahead at you guys so thank you to all of our sponsors this is bullshit thank you for being sponsors we love you all this is bullshit use poormans at check out anywhere you can it probably works at target probably at amazon i don't know try it out use poor man over at uh with jockton and those pin shades get yourself um free shipping so poor man without a mess and poor mans at pin stadiums and try it on amazon i'm sure it won't get you anything won't get you anything won't get you anything nope definitely not definitely not how you doing drew i'm doing great sir good man good good what's new are you messing with this i'll stop messing with it now okay it's over it is that's never helped you ever that's great that ship has sailed that screen is never that's what it is just for show my man you should just literally have a bar in front of you and just be drinking from there so drew what are you drinking buddy i see you got a land shark uh i am replicating last week because last week was a good show good drinks uh we're doing another loaded land shark i i asked ian if he had any more and He's like, yeah, give me one. So here we are, Loaded Landsharks once again. Again, Loaded Landshark. You take the little bubble. Hang on. Get your pen out because this recipe is pretty long. Okay. For more recipes, follow the Parman's Pinball Podcast on Twitter. Pour in glass and drink. You just fill the fucking bubble up with tequila. It's perfect. So today is the 1800 silver, which we had last week. Oh, and did you notice, Ian? I got me a haircut. That looks tasty, Drew. It looks tasty. I feel like everything's a little blurry. Go fix it. I'll talk to our people. So, yeah, it's been a good week, and we got a lot of cool stuff for you guys today. We got some awesome Twip news. Oh, I got some poor man's news, of course. Why wouldn't Drew? Why wouldn't the poorest man in the pinball hobby have more pinball news? That looks better. Yeah, yeah, I do look sharper. How's everyone doing out there in chat? I saw Dave Jeff Brenner in there. We haven't seen Dave in a while. Dave is here? Dave. Hi, Dave. I miss you, Dave. Doc is here. Doc, what up, brother? Kaz. It will save you 50% on dick weights. Yep. Thank you, Amazon. I think they're only $6. So yeah, fine. We'll save you $3 on them. They're always 50% off when Drew uses them. Ah, there's a joke in there somewhere. You got to dig deep. Dick weights. So we got our tequila. We got our beer. um what else we got we got poor man's pin pinball personal news we do should we go into the music and just intro that yeah let's just start with that everyone and now the moment you've all been waiting for of course i'm talking about the poor man's pinball podcast personal pinball news and again thank you uh for our opening glenn and martin listener number 15 martin just moved to wisconsin he's in appleton wisconsin he is he's uh what he's about two hours north of us yeah yeah he got uh got cheese curds from milwaukee burger company what do you think about those oh the cheese curds are badass the rest of that place is foobar they don't they don't do that stuff all over the country we just take that for granted cheese curds are pretty badass from american uh or I'm American. American burger. No, Milwaukee burger. Sorry. All right. So what else we got? Sorry. I was still fucking with this Twitch thing, and I typed in poor man's in the search bar, and one of the first things that came up was poop man gaming. Ooh. So check out poop man gaming when you're done with us. They're definitely encroaching on our IP. He has 132 followers. Shit. You know what? We should probably do something. We should team up with poop man gaming. I don't know if he's going to want that. We'll be like, hey, we're into buttholes. And he'll be like, what are you talking about? Hey, bro, do you game? Do you like buttholes? Do you use buttholes in a sentence way more than you should? We should team up. So check out Poop Man Gaming. Poop Man Gaming, Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. It's a winning combination. Go to the air show in Oshkosh if you're in Appleton. Oh, yeah, that is a cool air show for sure. They got the museum up there. The Blue Angels, they do a lot of that cool museum. military stuff. I think they had like a replica Millennium Falcon, if I'm not mistaken. Oh, really? No, the museum. It's been a while. I went there as a kid and my parents took us a couple times. Museum thing. Yeah, it's a big town. Big town for airplanes and cheese curds. Aviation and cheese curds. Aviation and cheese curds. That's basically what Appleton stands for. That's what their sign says? Yeah. We're known for- Appleton, Wisconsin. Cheese curds and aviation. In that order. A winning combination. A winning combination. All right. Anyway, let's move on. What did you do in pinball this week, sir? What did I do in pinball this week? Great question. I fired up Oktoberfest, and I was playing that all week. So love the game, and I just wanted to say that it's never leaving. That's all I wanted to say about Oktoberfest. You love that game, and I love that you love that game. Thank you. I appreciate the love. Yep, so that's what's up with me. no this week i don't shit man i thought we just got done with our last show we did a couple days ago we we just woke up from our just it went like this week went by so fast you know what that's called adulthood i was gonna say getting older getting old adulting yep shit kids dogs more kids more house sitting there working my ass off come home get to watch fucking straight down the middle and their shit with with their their new game rooms and their 30 games that they play and i go who the fuck has the time in their new video did you see their new video big lebowski no i uh i saw the alert for that and i wanted to watch it and i just holy shit that was a good that was a good they reviewed the big the big lebowski and i never really knew i never played it so it was awesome to learn the rules oh man that game is so cool isn't it it's so cool you know they did such a good job making that game too bad they stole everyone's money now now you understand why everyone was so upset you know when we we kind of i've always thought it looked cool sure but i'm just saying like there's certain things i didn't know existed in that game that was that was integration before integration was cool yes truly so truly truly all right uh that's what i did i watched straight down the middles video yeah that's that's pinball that's pinball baby hey we just we just have to say the word pinball like five times and make this pinball podcast there's there's rules i think and then the rest we can talk about emu wars The Great Emu No, Emu The Great Emu War of 1932 Yeah, that joke will stick around for a while It's better than talking about fucking heartbeats of whales or whatever the fuck Oh god, that was a long time ago But we'll bring that back too We'll do it, it's gonna happen That was the only time Drew and I did not want to talk to each other during the week We had a tough week that week That was rough It doesn't fucking matter You're like, no, it's the science. Kathleen's like, why are you so upset? I'm like, because Ian's mad at me. Ian said I'm a fucking idiot. I'm like, not like normal. Like, he really thinks I'm a fucking dumbass. Like, he's upset with me. I just, everybody, let's move past it. Drew, you had news today? I have lots. Oh, I got some good news today. Drew got new games. So I told you guys. Spoiler alert. Yep, Spider-Man was coming. It's kind of funny. So a few days ago, my wife, in Drew's style, he didn't tell his wife again. so this is game like number 100 that i didn't tell her about and we're we're in the game room you know we're just having a moment you know i'm just hugging my wife we're next we're next to avengers pro don't worry zach i didn't get anything on it yet um so anyways we're in the game room and uh she looks over at the empty spot and she's like oh now we only have three games in here and i said funny you should mention that and she's like what did you do and i said i said did you think I was going to sell a game and not get another one? And she goes, big, long pause. What'd you get? And I said, Spider-Man. And she goes, oh, you're 12 years old. I said, yep, I sure am. And then today, today I told her, I said, Hey, I'm expecting a delivery. And she's like, I was at work and I'm like, yeah, there's a delivery coming. I'll be right home and she's like why are you coming home i'm like don't worry about it and so i get home and she's like what are you getting and i'm like a game and she she almost got mad and then i said i'm getting spider-man she goes just real naturally she's like oh oh yeah you told me that and i was like okay i won this one i'm okay yeah she was fine so anyway spider-man came today i i love it Drew, you realize you haven't won anything, right? No. Hey, hey, I have Spider-Man in my house. I won. As far as I'm concerned, I fucking won, okay? So, Zach, you'll be very proud. This is my first game. Dave, sorry, Drew. Dave Jeff Brenner, I only tell my wife when I'm heading out of the door for the next now. Oh, my God, that's awesome. The next one, yeah. Yeah. Zach, you will be proud. I have my first topper. It came with a topper. This is your first Dapper? Mm-hmm. Yeah, I've never had one. It came with the, it's actually pretty cool. It's got like the chrome webbing, and it just says Spider-Man, you know, and it looks like the web behind it. It's pretty neat, and it's not like gaudy or anything, so it's just neat. And it came with the color DMD already, so I saved myself 400 bucks there. So, because, you know, otherwise I would have had to plunk down another $400 for it. Did you really? Well, I would have, but I didn't. You would have? Yeah. You can't have a game without a color DMD. Oh, bullshit. Oh, shit. Poor man's football podcast. I'm such a conundrum and an enigma wrapped in a something. This show. What are we at? Fucking four minutes in and off the rails. And Ian's spitting land shark out of his nose. I love it. Okay, so moving on. So Spider-Man's in the house. I just got a chance to set it up. I played one game. it's awesome plays well so Troy South thank you so much Troy Smith is his name look him up on Facebook he does good work in the Midwest area Meteor I finally dropped off the powder coat after all this I'm buttoning it up like it's ready to be put back together now and I was just dragging my feet and I'm a lazy ass whatever not true I just work all the time so anyways dropped off for the powder coat I'm excited about that so it's going to take three or four weeks, unfortunately, but three or four weeks, you know, then I'll get it back and I'll put that thing together and that's going in the game room. There's a spot for it. A guy is coming on Wednesday from Kentucky to pick up my firepower. Believe that he's driving seven hours for my beautiful firepower. So him and his buddy are, they're leaving at like midnight. They're going to meet me at seven or eight in the morning. They're going to pick it up and they're on their way. I was like, that's awesome. So, so yeah, firepower is gone. I will only have four games for a while that's gonna be the first time i've only had four games in quite a while and to ian's point uh i like them all simpsons spider-man jurassic park well avengers pro which is on loan but thank you flipping out pinball oh yeah i had to make that correction sorry so when i was telling my story about stern diagnosing my turtles because they want to find out what's going on with the diverter why it's happening blah blah blah some people may have gotten the impression that stern loaned me a game not true flipping out pinball with uh nicole's big heart she said drew can have an avengers pro to play while turtles is out oh so thank you nicole and to a lesser extent zach i guess yeah so um flipping out pinball no awesome so and like i said none other than bill webb dropped it off so that was cool to get to meet Bill Webb in person. And Zach did let us know that Stern does not have as big a heart as flipping out pinball. No, for sure. They would not have given you a loaner game. He sent that message pretty quick after the episode, and rightfully so. So what do we do? Correction. We should have a correction button. Cheese slice. Corrections. Correction cheese. Yeah. I want buttons for everything. Okay. Is that all you got for pinball news? I didn't have anything. We're good, man. I filled the void. Moving on. Moving on. Moving on. Poop Man Gaming? Yep. Poop Man Gaming. Not as cool as Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, but you know. Never. Never, never, never. What do we got? News? We got news. We got Twip stuff brought to you by... Twip. Twip. We stole it from Twip. We did. He doesn't know about it. He doesn't listen. Fuck him. He's fine. Love you, Jeff. All right. What do we got? Another Harry Doyle moment. What's the next one? Nobody listens to this shit. No one. So we got three pretty cool stories this week on Twit. Okay. So we'll start off with the most heartwarming one. Deadflip, our boy Jack Danger, he raised a bunch of money for Project Menball. Jacqueline. How did he do that, Ian? You got to read the article. Oh, I didn't. I didn't either. Show prep. That's charity. There's things that were involved. You have like three monitors in front of you. You have it right in front of you. oh fuck it's a lot huh yep it is a lot um yeah i don't know he he went hey way to go jack danger raising that money for 4 000 yay uh well you know we always kind of joke about it i mean we when we do stuff like this we have the stuff from twip go go to this week in pinball you can see it on there just know that he raised four thousand dollars for charity that's Awesome. So this is just a celebration of Twip. Twip. Jack. Project Pinball. Yeah. You got a trifecta there. Awesome. Poor men are at it again. Did you? I thought I was slick. I'm trying to pass it off to you. You're like, I didn't fucking read that shit. I saw something about it. Told you to add it in the notes. Okay. Here we are. Here we are, folks. Oh, man. You know what? It's a live show, Kish. Hang on. Hang on. If this was a podcast, we could have paused it and read it and then played like we knew all about it. And that's how we did it for many years, and now we can't get away with that. So here's what I want you guys to do. I'm giving you guys some homework, okay? It's real easy. We haven't been getting a lot of emails because we've been doing all this live stuff and lots of cool Facebook stuff and Twitch, which is awesome. But go to ogpoormanspinball at gmail.com. And what I want you to do, I want you to write a paragraph on why you still watch this show. 200 word ass thing. No. No, not 200 words. Make it 100 words or less. Why you still tune in every week. No drama. I'm really curious. She's got lots of cheese slices. Science. A look is here. Twart. Hey, Tim. How you doing, buddy? What up, brother? But, yeah, poormanspinball at gmail.com. I'm serious. Just send us a couple sentences about why you still tune into this train wreck. Drew, we have a question here. Uh-oh. C-J-C hands. Can it be in the form of a love letter? That would be preferable. We will even add the music for you on next week's show. How's that? So there you go. We have it. See? There's a little echo because we got audio all over the place. All right. So anyway, that would be meta. A love letter about why we love the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. It's a little self-serving for me. It's like masturbation a bit. Nothing like masturbation. I also do that. Doesn't stop me from masturbating. Nope. Self-service is... Never mind. What else is on the news thing? Should we hit up chat, maybe? We have more news. If you want to hit up chat for a moment. Guys, how's it going out there? let's see what have we been missing here all right chat uh let's see here man we got all sorts of people in chat tonight tony scoots flying hey tony how you doing buddy cavalier 88 z24 octoberfest is a good game fuck yeah it's a good game dude tony scoots happy halloween the big lebowski is my favorite game uh twert i just like call him twert twert twert all right uh All right, Tony Scoots. No shit, this is simultaneously the fastest and slowest year of my life. Fuck you, guys. Pete Quint just sent a message. Why I still listen? It helps me fall asleep. John. Pete Quint. Fuck that guy. All right. He sleeps so good, though. John Hall. GNR. Sounded like shitty band sound check with all the drums and guitar riffs. Dave Jeff Brenner. Beer and pinball. What could be better than that? Tequila, beer, and pinball. There you go. Let's see here. do do do do do do be in pinball cavalier you're you're pretty much there spider-man let's see here what else we got um i think oh sorry i didn't get anything on it yet uh billy yj slow-mo pinball was that on twip yeah do you see that so there's this uh these guys made these series of videos about pinball in slow motion to kind of like explain the physics yeah how it works yeah it's pretty cool um i just watched a little bit about it and uh pinball network talked a little bit about it It was kind of neat, just some of the physics aspects that you don't think about when you're whacking the ball around. Here you go, Drew. This is going to make your day. John Hall. Jonathan Hall. I loved the whale episode and repeated Drew's comments to multiple people that week because I truly believe he was accurate as fuck. Yeah. Jonathan Hall. You know what's up. Spidey is a great game. Yep. Sounds like my wife. Thanks, Tim. We already read that. Jonathan Hall, I'm on cloud nine right now that you believe in my heartbeat theory. Dave Jeff Brenner has 57 games right now. Current collection, 57. Five, seven kids. 57 games and one wife. I'm going to have seven games and no wife pretty soon. I thought you were going to say seven wives and 57 games. I can barely afford seven games. How can I afford seven wives? It would be at the same time. what's more expensive seven games or seven wives seven wives man take your shit half of your shit every time drew is an enigma wrapped in a nipple wrapped in a dick weight jesse jay that was strangely erotic thanks jesse jay jesse jay you paint a beautiful picture of my buddy drew all right screwballs should be on your topper with all your franchi here franchi i want you to draw that cjca and uh jesse j a clear coated nipple oh clear coats yeah we're gonna talk clear coats later yeah i'm gonna talk wow i'm gonna get good and fucked up first all right ian's gonna talk clear coats and i'll entertain you guys as promised yeah i'll try not to make it boring troy is a good guy to buy from yeah troy does good shit uh i have bought uh bram stoker's dracula uh spider-man you bought monster bash right from troy yeah what else did you buy from troy A bunch of arcade games. Yeah, we've bought a ton of shit from Troy. We also have a few friends that have bought a ton of shit. What about why I listened to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast submitted as a haiku? That's good, too. That's artsy as fuck. We're a little loose with the rules around here. I know we don't come across that way, but yeah, a little loose. All right. Okay. All right. Ian went to Clearcoat College. Fuck yeah, East Track. All right. So what do we got now? What's the next bit of news? So the other cool thing on Twip, Dr. John. Is Dr. John here? Dr. John, are you in chat today? Dr. John, talk to us, buddy. So Dr. John was the lucky recipient. Yeah, Dr. John's in. Hey, Dr. John. John Cosson was the lucky recipient of game number one of Celts from Hoggis Pinball. Hoggis. So they did a stream, and I watched some of the stream. You guys go to Twip. It's on the front page right now. It's pretty awesome. So basically they played some Celts, and it was – I was telling Ian – Whose stream was it? Was it Haggis? Damien had the stream, or was it Dr. John? Dr. John, if you're on there. Yeah. I honestly don't know. But I was watching it, and Ian and I got to play it at MGC, right? Mm-hmm. And we flipped it, and we liked it. I got to drink with Damien. And Ian and I – Best guy ever. I think I drank with him too, but I don't remember. Drew was – That was Expo. Sorry. Yeah, it was Expo. No, it was Expo. It was Expo. So anyways, we flipped it, and it's one of those things that was over a year ago, and we only played a game or two. And Ian and I actually toyed with the idea of going in halves and buying one. We're still toying about it. So yeah, it would be the poor man's – because you get to be a clan in there. Yeah. If you pay X number of dollars, you get to be the poor man's clan. We just figure if we do the poor man clan on there, the game will be worth millions. Oh, millions. It's like the Kaneda clan versus the poor man's clan. I mean, it would be like the CE. No one could afford it because we're all poor men. Yeah, but you get the idea. So anyways, but I was watching the stream, and all jokes aside, the game looked really fun. Yeah, I remember liking the game, but I did remember, this was a while back now, there's some adjustments adjustments that needed to be done like the ball would get stuck stuck every once in a while a lot of straight down the middles with that uh what is it the horseshoe shot right in the front there yep um there was a lot of things that if you just altered a little bit here and there it was it was shaping up to be a really fun game it was and it looks like he made those those corrections it was super smooth yeah and i didn even notice it was a single level game and it really look like a homebrew And I know it not It a production game He making these things so I don but you know what I mean Like, it looks the part. Yeah, Damien rolled up his sleeves one day and was like, fuck it, I'm going to make it. And he's going to make it better than any other homebrew. First, he's going to pull out a sledgehammer and try to break the playfield. He's going to make a playfield, and then he's going to sledgehammer it. Yeah, but the – so check it out. It's all sorts of fucking badass. Go to YouTube. It's probably on there. I don't know if it's archived on there. It probably is. But, yeah, super cool stream. Fun to watch. The game looked great. The animations looked really good. So well done, Damien and team. That's all I got to say about that. Who has better hair, Damien or Jesse J? Damien. Sorry, Jesse. Yeah. We're going to need a hair off, whatever that means. All right. So, Dr. John. That was game zero. Mine is still being built. Oh. Oh, okay. All right. All right, Dr. John. So you're still waiting on game number one. Okay. You'll be the recipients of game number one. All right. Very cool. Yeah, super cool. But, yeah, good for you. So just so any of you guys are interested, they also talked a little bit about shipping. So here in the United States, the game is roughly $6,000, I believe, right? Give or take. Is that right? and you can get it shipped here on a boat from what i remember yep you can get it shipped here on a boat takes a month or two it's uh about 900 bucks okay you can get it shipped by air takes about i think they said four to six days that's about 1100 bucks just so you guys know um so you guys and and you don't you just you just contact uh haggis directly okay it gets here on a boat, does the $900 also cover shipping it to my house? Or do I have to go to California and pick it up? No, I think that's the total shipping from boat probably to terminal, though. I'm sure it's not coming to your house. But you'd have to talk to Damien. But they did talk about that on the stream. But it's going to cost you roughly $1,000 to get it here from Australia, which actually was cheaper than I thought it was going to be. Yeah, that's not bad. It is a single-level game, though. So you're looking at paying almost $10,000. No, $7,000. Plus another $900. For what? For shipping. Yeah, it's $6,000 to start. I know, but if you want to put the poor man's shit on there, that costs more money. Yeah, that's right. You can't go base price. By the time we get what we want, it'll be a $10,000 game, which we would then be able to sell for $5,000. Sounds about right. Economics are hard. Economics, math. I was told to do no math tonight. Zero math. No. We support Damien. Damien's one of the coolest guys in baseball. We didn't mean to have him on. He's agreed to come on. Yeah. We just suck. No, yeah, that's true. Part of it is we suck. The other part of it is the only thing about it is that I'm just so disappointed that MGC didn't happen this past year because he was going to come here. Jesse J., Tribe question. What color tartan would the poor man wear? What the fuck's a tartan? I'm guessing that's like the, I don't know. A shoal? Jesse J., what's a tartan? Then I can tell you what color I'd wear. They're talking about who manscapes. So do you manscape? They want to know if you manscape or I manscape. I'm wearing a pink tartan. I still don't know what a tartan is. I don't know either. I'm sure mine's pink. How can you guys buy kelts and not know what a tartan is? Maybe we call it something else, Jesse J. You ever think about it? The world doesn't revolve around you. Jesus. Shit. Wait, first we need a kilt? We need to know how to say the word emu. Then we need to know what a tartan is. This is all very difficult. This gig got way hard. What else do we need to know, Jesse J.? Please tell us. This gig got way hard. Just help us. We're going to keep drinking then. Okay. We can't remember this night. Ladies and gentlemen, we have officially hired Jesse J. as our new fact checker on the Poor Man's Pinball podcast. Any fact that we need to check is now officially going through her. Her email is? it's Scottish it's Scottish you know what alright I'm gonna google this shit real quick since what the hell why not why not why would we talk about pinball today no this is how shit always goes oh okay so it's like a kilt okay so my tartan would be no panties and uh a kilt I'll be right back I'll go get mine Ian's got one of course he does so we are going to have a tartan on on the poor man's pinball podcast so anyways uh so what else is going on guys oh he's got it wow that was quicky and that was like we did a i always keep it on hand we did a cutaway scene or something but no it's right here look at it well that's the color of the poor man's tartan I hit my head. I don't know how this goes. What you got underneath there, sir? How's that? Is that better than Drew's nips? How do you like that, Jesse J? Nothing is better than Drew's nips. I just want to go on the record as saying, poormanspinball at gmail.com. Let us know what's better than Drew's nips. Yeah, this just happened. Whatever. Oh, my God. Yep, we're officially off the rails. It only took 28 minutes. I don't even think we're 28 minutes in. All right. There we go. Usually I don't wear anything under these, but people, I got the jeans on. Okay. Cool. All right. Cool, cool, cool. Those buckles are pretty saucy, Ian. Yeah. Ian always has saucy buckles. Well, you know what? They say about buckles. I don't know. What do they say about buckles? Don't expect anything better from me today, guys. Day off work and whiskey. Jesse J., you are screaming straight ahead for the tribe. Let me tell you. I thought Ian was German. Hold on. You want me to get my German hat? Oh, my God. This guy is such a mutt, and he, like, all this European stuff, he just loves it. So, yeah, his hat's not far away either. Ian is the most authentic. No, he's not. All right, here we go. I don't even know where I was going with that. All right, so I'm all over the place. everybody okay so um big surprise big surprise naturally so what do we got else what's next well that way we've determined what was that last news section that made me dress up the kelps oh yeah yeah yeah we were watching two thumbs up yes i'm excited about it it looks really good and guys remember it's it's a stern pro price and it has cool animations and while it's not a licensed theme it's it's pretty neat so you know for for value i i think it's one of the best values in pinball right now i'll go on record saying that so you know if you if you have six thousand dollars to spend i mean that that might be the way to go jean jackets upstairs guys i'm not wearing the jean oh my god too many patches too many can you have too many on a jean jacket So what else do you got? What else did you see in pinball this week? Yeah, how many patches? There's too many patches on a jean jacket. The answer? Trick question. Is it like, are you going to be like one of those funny daddies? It's like any amount of patches? It's too many patches on a jean jacket? No, I'm more like the, how many pieces of flair do you have on your jacket? I love pieces of flair. That's my whole fucking whole life is flair. All right, what's the next news cycle? News thing. That was it. No, we got other things. We do? Yes, we do. Clearcoat gate. Yeah, I'll get into clearcoat, but I got to do it without this hat on. Okay. So let me rewind here and kind of get us back on the rails, as I often do. Yes, I get us on the rails. He's the voice of reason, this fucking clown. So the last couple weeks, there has been a lot of talk about Clearcoat. We're back to the same thing. Stern's had a couple of pooling and chipping issues in Turtles, and we talked a little bit about grainy playfields on Jurassic Park and Turtles as well. I happen to be okay on Turtles. Jurassic Park was a little grainy. Our boy Tim Lee had a little bit of grainy on his Turtles. Anyways, now GNR came out and they had some issues. There was a post put up on Pinside and they had votes. And it was about 50-50 where 50% of the people had no issues with their play field. 50% of the people had either pooling. That's fucking crazy high. Well, but here's the thing. Some people were able to determine that certain Pinsiders didn't have the game. So some people hijacked the thread. which you could expect to happen. But there was something like about 100 votes, and like 40 of them said, my games are fine. And like 25 or 30 said, I have some pooling. And like 10 or 15 or 20 said, I have chipping, and paint is coming up. So like I said, roughly 50-50. And we know those numbers might not be 100% accurate, obviously, but there's obviously, there's been a lot of pictures out there of pooling, right? We've all seen them. Absolutely. There's been pooling, there's been chipping, that's not up for debate how many is, and what they're doing about it is definitely up in the air. So with that, without further ado, I'm going to leave the clear coat serious discussion to Ian. All right. Buckle up, kiddos. You already did. See, I did buckle up. Well, let me see here. That's a good look. All right. I'm going to take a little cocktail break. I'll be back in eight seconds. All right. So, I don't know. Last year we talked about the clear-code issues on Twip's podcast. We didn't even do it on our own podcast because it's out of here with your nipples. Well, because we did it on Twip. But now Twip's kind of not really doing a podcast anymore. So I thought, well, what the hell? Let's throw it on our channel and at least we'll be able to archive it and put it on YouTube and stuff. and I think it's good for us to kind of be reminded of some clear-coat basics because there's a lot of information out there that is incorrect. And we have to, at the end of the day, we all have to kind of understand what these companies are doing. You know, Stern and JJP are sending their playfields out to Marco, and we're still not, we're still not, I don't know what Drew's doing behind me, but his face is real red. But we don't – he's distracting me now, kids. All right, so we don't know exactly what Marco uses as far as a clear coat goes. Also, I know American Pinball and Spooky have the same vendor for theirs, and Drew's telling me that CGC also uses that same vendor. I'm not sure if that's true or not. It sounded that CGC and Spooky were using the same vendor. Okay, well, Dave Jeff Brenner today confirmed that American Pinball uses the same vendor as spooky, which makes sense to me because the clear coat on Oktoberfest looks very, very similar to the clear coat that was on Drew's Alice Cooper. Which was flawless, by the way. Yeah. And, sorry, it makes sense about the CGC because we know that Charlie's working on something with CGC. Well, that's true, but CGC might also, because they have a lot of other pokers in the fire, They may actually do it in-house too, but I think CGC is definitely – okay, everyone's saying Mirko. CGC is Marco. Okay, Mirko. CGC is. Yep. Okay, thank you, thank you, thank you. Okay, so that makes sense to me because it's really, really shiny, and it dimpled like a motherfucker when I got my Monster Bash SC. So Oktoberfest doesn't dimple, and neither did Spooky's – your Alice Cooper. So anyway, so back to kind of basics on clear coats. Let's just talk about it in general terms because, one, we don't know the exact product that they're using. It's proprietary. They're not going to tell us what they're using. And, you know, we knew at Williams towards the end of the, you know, 90s or whatever, they were using diamond coat, which is still available by PPG. They can still get that formula. um there's a few things we just got to touch on in order to understand why they don't use it um first off let's go into i got my notes here because i wanted to do this somewhat organized they're just basic bullet points so if i if i fail miserably you'll have to excuse me um yeah notes so let's go into really quick let's just do a really sample generic way to do clear coats okay so clear coat the science behind clear coats is very simple simple if you if you if you break it down in a simple term. So for example, for our example today, we're going to do something real easy. We're going to do a one-to-one ratio, an A to a B, okay? A is your clear coat, B is your hardener, okay? So let's just talk about the proper mix. Now, some clear coats, there could be more than just two components, okay? This is just for an example because, you know, some clear coats can have multiple components. There could be reducers, retarders. There can be a lot of different things in an epoxy clear coat that they could be using on these pinball machines. But for our example today, to make it easy, one-to-one ratio, an A to a B. So you need to have 100% A to 100% B to make the mix. Usually with clear coats, There's something called a sweat-in time with epoxies. A sweat-in time is basically when an A and a B gets mixed. You have to let it chemically bond to each other for 30 minutes. Once the chemical bonding takes place, then you're allowed to use the product. So for our examples, what happens if you don't put in enough B? B is the hardener, remember. So A is your clear coat. You said hardener. You don't put enough hardener in there. What happens? Well, depending on the amount of hardener you put in, the clear coat can remain soft. It may never harden up completely. The other problem is if you really don't put enough B in there or you Skit-B altogether, it's potential that that clear coat will never dry. It'll stay wet. You could just wipe it right off the play field and start over. It will never dry. So that's very interesting to understand that. Now, if you put in too much part B and not enough A, that's where you get something that's going to be way too brittle. It'll get very, very hard. Again, the mix is very, very important. The mixture is the most important part. Getting the right mixture and getting it consistently mixed is very hard. You need to be skillful. What's up? Jesse J., I was not prepared for Ian in a kilt lecturing me about hardening today. Yes, it's happening. It's really happening. He's in a kilt always lecturing me about hardening. Every day, Drew. So anyway, let's get back into just basic shit, okay? Oh, Kaz, you know me. Drew probably has a lot of sweating time. Every day. Okay, so that's where your ratios come into play. So does it mean that some of these playfields aren't getting the proper amount of ratios? Not necessarily. Hey, Chris. Hey, Chris. Kaneda's here. hey chris why is it hard it's simply amounts he says it's simply amounts um it is hard well let's just say this it's it's it's not hard in terms of making mixing up a batch completely what is difficult is being consistent with your batches for 5 000 games we don't know how big of these batches they're making we don't know how many they're spraying out per shot sorry guys hang on we gotta address this sounds is good uh oh uh chris it was just a text from one of our viewers saying that there was some stuttering or freezing maybe that was just ian and i stuttering no there's nothing going on here all right anyway let's just keep going so oh sounds fine video is fucked video is fine okay well you guys can hear us so that's good i pink canada says texas mirko end this now or die they're sending their goons our way right now hey uh you guys need your knees broken all your equipment broken yeah all right hold on let me let me just see if we can fix this here real quick uh tim lee says video is back for me okay my vid seems fine now okay better okay all right anyway okay so i'm just saying chris it's it could be a consistency thing but you know what chances are it's not okay what i'm saying is if you're mixing up batches a lot of the times um you're doing it for large runs of games you're not going to sit there and make a batch for every five games you're going to do it for 50 playfields 100 playfields a thousand playfields depending on what they're doing so no i don't think it's a batch thing but there's something you have to kind of be aware of what that happens uh the other issue that you could actually see in there you could have a perfect mixture drew you have a perfect mixture you can have the perfect application but temperature takes a huge uh it can be a huge factor in clear coats um if there is too much humidity in the in the room if there is if it's too cold um you can get a lot of things that go goofy with clear coats you can get uh frosting where it starts to look a little discolored. You can get weird drying. You can get extended cure times. There's a lot of different things that could happen with just temperature, humidity. Yeah, but why can a couple of these companies just get it right, but nobody else can seem to? Well, we're getting there. We're getting there. Okay. So I don't know how good Mirko is with their shit. That's all I'm saying. Here's the other thing to think about when it comes to clear coats. We don't know what, again, we don't know what Mirko is using. But these are all things that you should be aware of when this kind of shit happens, okay? Okay, so the other thing I wanted to talk about is, you know, the cure time. So the Mirko demonstration, Chris, you know, on Kaneda's podcast, he talked at length about there was a Mirko demonstration where he showed off his new play field and he torqued a post, right, into the play field? As hard as he could, yeah. As hard as he could to not damage or to show that there is no damage and his playfields are perfect. Well, here's the problem with a demonstration like that. All clear coats have a cure time. Now, a cure time, depending on what product it is, could be seven days. It could be a month. Hell, it could be multiple months, depending on the quality of the clear coat, okay? Now, Mirko could show you a fucking beautiful clear coat that's badass and super expensive, and Stern's not going to pay for that much on a really good clear coat. Stern is going to have a dollar amount set. Like, this is how much we can afford for these clear coats. Okay? So the other thing, too, is we don't know how long that play field that Mirko used to demonstrate, how long it sat there and cured um the longer you have a playfield cure the harder and more durable that that playfield is going to be that clear coat so he could have had it sitting in the back room for two or three months just getting harder and harder and you can get drink uh do you need tequila in there yeah you do probably not but let's do it and that's exactly what what we're talking about here you know he could have easily oh my god true so that that that could be another reason canada why yes whatever he's using sucks i i agree canada but that could also be the reason why the ce's awanka um were a lot better than the first runs because a lot of these fucking a lot of these these these these these tables these these playfields could have been done a lot earlier. Okay, guys. Sorry about that. The computer just went black. That's the first time it's ever happened. Welcome to the Poor Man's Film Ball Podcast, episode number 79. I wouldn't say this is something that's happened a lot. I don't think that was our internet at all. I think it was just a fucking... Never happens at the top. Thanks, Kaneda. Oh, Kaneda. Oh, you son of a bitch. I saw what you were saying, motherfucker. You got a problem, buddy. it's called the poor man they're coming for you they're gonna get your fucking leftover twippy yeah we're gonna get the twerpy oh fuck off all right so anyway i don't even know where i was oh cure times cure times matter the longer it sits out boom it's gonna get harder the ces you probably don't have anything to worry about canada there's nothing they're doing different with the ces than they are with the limited editions or the standards why would they if they fucked up the standards they fucked up the limited editions why would they change it up for the ces and wonka it's the same run they're not shipping three different shipments from germany they're not doing it doesn't make a lick of sense what they're doing is they're clear-coating all their playfields they're all shipping them back to the states they sit in a warehouse they they have time to cure up and boom now you have so like legit fully cured playfields for the ce owners Yeah, but why are some pooling and some not? I'm saying the C's aren't because they've been sitting for a while. So you think that the C's have had time to cure up better than the other ones? 90% of all this problem is just because they didn't sit long enough. Well, yeah, there's a lot of factors. The whole goddamn point is there's a lot of factors that can go on to clear coats. Charlie Emery was on the Super Awesome Pinball Show. He talked about how his shit is better because they go a thinner coat. It's less shiny, but it's a thinner coat. And it got me thinking, like, does a thin coat of clear really become less shiny because it's thinner? Not really, right? I don't think so. I mean, a gloss is a gloss is a gloss. Now, you can get more depth, obviously, if you put on three coats of clear. But I don't know if that's necessarily the case. And I don't think necessarily that that's going to provide you a thinner coat of clear. to me almost seems like canada says no way pirates of the caribbean ce set in boxes for a year still pooled so what say you about that what say you say you sir were the pirate ces the still with Mirco they miracle yeah they've been using those for a while so his point is though a lot of those did sit for yeah like quite a while so what what's what you're taking well then god damn it then there's something going on with the clear coat the clear coat's bullshit that's the only thing i can come up with fuck fuck god damn it canada you got me no honestly though it's a good question because here's the problem they're mirko has you know wait here we're getting into what you and i were talking before we started recording can it be the ink all right so the ink you all right i didn't listen to your last podcast because it dropped i did i'm a diehard fan he ends up it piece of shit drop today no i listened to a pocket his podcast today but it wasn't the newest one it was the one before that i listen to you every day and my wife says turn that asshole off and i'm like no won't do it ah fuck that guy he doesn't wear socks it's all right you're wearing socks today buddy he's wearing one on his broken foot sorry chris we love you man oh shit i gotta wear a sock the doctor said i gotta wear a sock oh we I love you anyway. Hey, I'm just glad you – Chris, no, I'm a dog lover too. I'm glad you saved Bubba. That's what I'm thankful for. Your foot was worth Bubba's life. Absolutely. 100%. So the inks, right. So Drew mentioned that you thought maybe it could be Marc Silk screening versus digital printing, right? Is that what I'm getting? Because Drew and I were talking about it. We were fleshing out. Actually, I called you Detective Kaneda, to be fair. Full transparency. And I was like, you're trying to convert my best friend over here. This is bullshit, by the way. Here's what I had to say about that. Now, if it was the printing process, right, so not every inch of the play field gets printed. There are some parts that have wood, right? Now, if there was something about the printing process, the inks or whatever you used, it would be very very very clear where um the inks would interact with the clear coat meaning if the clear coat didn't like the inks for whatever reason now lacquers are very very temperamental when it comes to this i don't think anyone's using a lacquer for their clear coat by the way but i just want to say there are certain instances where clear coats can be very temperamental when it comes to outside factors Now so the inks here my problem If you had let say the clear coats were not liking these inks it would pretty much you would be able to see that within the first day of spraying these playfields out And it wouldn't affect posts per se. It would affect where the ink actually is on the play field. So wherever it was printed, you would get bubbling. You would get lifting. You would get a lot spider cracking and stuff. You're saying if the ink was the issue. If the ink was the issue and that product is laying, that clear coat is laying directly onto that ink, and it doesn't like that ink, it's going to try to lift. So he asked, because isn't the ink lifting off the wood by the post? And Ian's saying it wouldn't matter where it is. It'd be lifting anywhere, everywhere, right? Right. If the ink was an issue. Well, it would, yeah. It would be where the ink is. Now, the ball travels. Now, from what I've seen, Chris, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, but where I've seen the balls traveling on the middle of the play field where the inserts are, everything. Use the pin shades to see your balls. That seems to be just fine. We're talking about torquing on posts, and we're seeing some places where you're getting chipping. Now, the torquing on posts is pretty clear to me. Any kind of pooling, that clear coat is not hard enough, period. we can go into voc restrictions that's the cure that's the cure time that that's that goes with cure time that goes with proper mixing that goes with the product being tough enough and that goes with return to service rts return to service that's the other thing we haven't talked about that's probably the most important factor for jjp and stern they need these playfields asap They need them right away. As soon as they get sprayed, they need to get their hands on those playfields so they can start populating them. Because an unpopulated playfield is not getting sold anytime soon. You need to populate those playfields in order to get that assembly line moving, in order to get your orders, etc. So with that being said, the return of service is the most important part. All right. Canada's being a cocksucker again. Hold on. So let me finish my point here. So, yeah, the return to service is incredibly important. It needs to be a product that I'm saying Canada is the factor is it all boils down to a shitty product. Miracle uses a shitty product. That's it. Miracle's product is probably extremely cheap, so he can make money. and he can sell it to someone who's cheap like Stern because that bomb isn't supporting some high-end clear coat that they use on supercars. They're not going to use those. Yeah, but you said we've talked about this. So the difference between high-end and low-end to cover that play field at scale would be like $20? Right. Right? Yeah. So you're saying Stern won't say they won't just pass the $20 on to the consumer and spend an extra $20 to make that great? Why haven't they? That's what I'm saying. Why hasn't Jersey Jack? It sounds silly, right? Because it's literally one of the most important parts of the pinball machine. Did they lock in this deal with Mirko? That's a good question. Like, hey, for the next five years, this is what we're selling you. Yeah, I don't know. Mirko will breach a contract, motherfucker. your shit doesn't work because it seems that well and you know canada touched on it so here's your credit canada uh you know that he's right if if people don't stop buying it then maybe they're just saying well fuck it yeah we'll save the 25 on each game and people keep buying games maybe there's but maybe there's an acceptable rate of return right maybe they only get you know a couple lot of a hundred that a couple that people complain maybe 50 are are having issues yeah but you're right everyone's not who's complaining is everybody complaining no certainly not definitely not that's a good point so are we at 25 of the people complaining about this i would i would say is it worth it you know to them to switch an entire manufacturing process over to someone else to me it is but maybe i'm just an outsider i don't know shit you don't You're right. Nothing. Zero. It's the tequila talking mostly. So, yeah. I don't know. I don't know. It is interesting. There's a lot of different factors, Kaneda. You're right. There's lots of different factors. But 7 to 10 buyers not on pin side, probably true. 7 to 10, no idea what this is, probably true. You're right. Some people get the game. They see the pool. They don't see the pooling, but they have it. They just don't know they have it. I talked to Dave Jeff Brenner today, and American Pinball doesn't deal with these issues at all. What do you mean? They don't deal with pooling and chipping on the American Pinball games. Oktoberfest. Oh, you mean they haven't had the issues? No, no. They don't deal with these issues. They don't have people calling on it. They don't have any issues with it. Now, my Oktoberfest was routed. It had 4,000 plays on it. There was a small chip by the Pops, which I just touched up the paint, put a little bit of Mylar on it, and I'm good to go. nobody can kill it sure but for the most part there isn't even a dimple on my machine there's it's not dimpling so you're saying they're they're and if they're using what spooky's using is really that process could be the exact same fucking process that the stern and jjp guys are using miracle are using but if the quality of clear coat is better then they're gonna get better results because yeah i had i had like five or six hundred games on my alice cooper and it was flawless and to charlie emery's point though he says a lot of people want that shiny shiny play field i think they'd rather just have a play field that works right yes most people would rather have the play field that i've never heard someone say oh fuck that play field it's not shiny enough i've never heard tiki pinball says my houdini has no problems and i route it that's awesome um american pinball doesn't have customers that's why i kid their playfields are great yeah they are i mean i've seen a lot of houdini's i've seen uh ian's octoberfest i've seen other ones and you're right they they look great um jonathan hall just like canada suggested buying an act i'm in uh yeah an american pinball machine charlie is full of shit rick and morty is shiny as fuck no they like i said my alice cooper of all the games i had you know agree too i mean that one looked the best yeah just as far as like presentation for a new game yeah i've opened a lot of new in box games poor man drew trademark um but no there was something about that game and the way it looked and you're right it was it was sharp yeah so um i'm not charlie i'm not yeah there's there's and you know what though he had problems with um i guess that's the benefit of having a smaller tim lee i'm calling you out you didn't have zero play field issues You had grainy art on Turtles, but no pooling or chipping. And I guarantee you had dimpling on a Stern game. Well, Stern games dimpled the fuck up. Tim Lee and I. So did Chicago Gaming Company. My Monster Bash dimpled right up. Tim Lee and I together have owned, yeah, like 15 Stern games, and we've had very few issues as far as the pooling. And they make a shit ton of games. Let's not kid ourselves. JJP seems to get the worst of it, though. Do they not? oh yeah so what is that what is that telling you if they're same processes same company stern doesn't get makes more games they don't get nearly as many callbacks jjp is getting callbacks why because jjp is probably getting those playfields right away they're probably torquing those screws those posts in there they're not letting these things harden up and they're just they're they're i don't know that your guess is as good as mine to to my point originally we don't know what everyone is using i don't know what fucking mirko is using but um there's a problem and it's not right but it seems like american pinball spooky hang on and have figured out a guy who's gonna be able to do it right mirko is in germany which doesn't make sense to me and they have their their voc restrictions are higher there than in the united states correct i'm not sure that's what i heard though okay i don't know though and explain that to people so vocs real quick vocs are volatile organic compounds what does that mean that means all that good shit that used to be in your paint that your grandpa used when he painted his fence and lead and piss and vinegar all that chemical stuff all that chemical stuff that made that paint last i'm full of piss and vinegar right now it made that paint last a good seven years and killed everyone well it doesn't kill anyone unless you ingest it but the vocs are basically the um these compounds that come off and leach off the products pinball doc when did this become a pinball podcast sorry sorry to disappoint we'll get off on a tangent here shortly don't worry i i promise but when paints dry they release these things into the atmosphere it's bad to breathe it's bad for everybody and it's bad for the environment so states have gone on record going uh strict anti you know vocs everything has to be low to zero voc now not every state is created equal so for example illinois where stern is located now jjp is located cgc is located illinois is a very strict voc um but most of those are throughout the country though they're pretty similar wisconsin is not wisconsin we have no actually there's not that many states that have so i can snort all the glue i want here in wisconsin you can buy the glue to snort you can buy the bad the good shit here in wisconsin you can't buy that in illinois that's the let's do a shot tequila with some straws oh god what's wrong with you all right so for that i'm losing drew if i'm losing drew i'm probably losing everyone here yeah sorry prison pro one says this is killing my bus sorry prison pro one so i'm just saying vlcs are basically the good shit they take out of paint or clear coats so ship playfields to milwaukee and apply clear exactly and then and and what i said in the very very beginning of this was what happened about diamond coat you know williams used diamond coat pbg still has the formula for diamond coat they still make diamond coat or diamond clear diamond coat right diamond we use that kbs that was diamond clear yeah yeah diamond coat um that's still available that's still around now can you spray it in illinois can you buy it in illinois no you can spray the shit out of it in wisconsin though so they just need to come across the border it's not far not far don't they just make a little all i'm saying is playfield factory in wisconsin it's not like the shit like we welcome you in the cheese state it's not like some secret recipe got lost like diamond yeah that didn't just disappear like they keep records of this shit it was just 20 years ago 30 years ago it wasn't that long ago not even that because you're thinking so like like the medieval madness and stuff in the late 90s that's what they were using still right oh okay yeah like that that was a while ago but it wasn't like you said it wasn't this isn't the middle ages this isn't how we know how the pyramids were ironic we're talking about medieval madness, not the Middle Ages. I'm done with clear coats. You guys are killing my buzz because I can talk chemicals all day long. Stain uses outhouses to clear stranger things. Jesus. Yes, Chris, nobody does know. That is correct. Okay, guys, we are going to get off the boring clear coat issue. If you want more clear coat stuff, I'm going to... Go to Canada's Pinball Podcast. he will talk about it he will rant about it he will scream about it he'll yell about it he'll cry about it then he'll yell at all the podcasters who are not talking about it and then when we talk about it he goes on their streams and says we don't know what the fuck we're talking about thanks Chris he'll say we gotta keep talking about this in the media why the fuck are you guys talking about this in the media I can't help it if we don't have an answer because JJP we are sponsored by Flippin Out Pinball call Zach sorry go ahead oh yeah fuck that we can do whatever we want we have a we have an agreement with zach he knows who we are kidding me bro canada we are we are sponsored by no man we we do what we want anyone wants to slap our wrist they're gonna they're gonna find out that it doesn't really matter much to us so all right so let's move on shall we just please all right Drew, what do you want to talk about, man? Anything but clear coat. I'm so bored. You're just fucked up. I can tell by his little face. No, no, no. His little red face and his little... First of all, my face is always red. Second of all... Little eyes. My eyes are always little. Jeff Brenner, 98. PPG is just down the road from us in Wisconsin. It's made here. Absolutely it's made here, Dave. Absolutely. Sponsored by no man except Kessler's. And poor man's pinball whiskey right here. which is cut solution every time i post octoberfest loses a dollar yeah well you know that'll happen i love it i love it i love it i love you too canada i love you man you you have a great podcast and you uh you speak very eloquently i always really appreciate your uh i just got an email while we're doing this so i'll just i'll just talk about it was from silver ball swag silver ball swag october sales yeah i'm not going to share that with you guys we sell lots and lots of t-shirts we sell many many t-shirts like millions of t-shirts don't forget that was my bad Trump impression go to silverbellswag buy our stuff because we want to bring you guys more great content we are not part of Patreon if you want to go to Patreon go to Canada's Pinball Podcast see what I did there but yeah Jesse J Drew hasn't read enough I love you Jesse I love you Jesse I talked to you sorry let me start over I talk to my wife about you all the time. She's giving me the go-ahead. She's like, she's in Australia. You're fine. Do what you want. I'm like, great. What does that mean? Well, no. What are you talking about? I told her. I said, we're collaborating on some stuff. I'm like, you know, it's Jessie J, whatever. We talk all the time. She's like, cool. As I always say, she can have you. Oktoberfest coming this July. Yeah, Kaneda, you know it. At the end of the month, you missed it, brother. I already sold an Oktoberfest to a fellow tribe member. We did. It's going to happen. So how many do we think they're making? They said a small run, but they're going to do another 100 or something. 5,000 probably. 5,000 limited edition. You heard it here first, folks. Special armor, a piece of couch from Oktoberfest. Off topic. Hang on. Tiki pinball. His nipples aren't hard enough for more clear coat. Thank you, Billy YJ. I'm looking at a walrus baculum. It's almost the size of a baseball bat. Look it up. Why not? Here's the tangent you guys wanted. Let's do it, man. I love tangents. Walrus. Kelts sells all 200. Yeah, there's easily 200. Oh, yeah. There's 200 people in Australia that would want that game easily. That's not even. Walruses are known for their impressive tusks, but they have one anatomical feature that stands out even more. Male, some species of mammal, have a baculum, also known as a penis bone or OS penis. and walruses have the largest by far, a meter long. Wow, that's like ten times the size of a Drew Baculum. I was going to say, you haven't seen my Baculum lately. Have you checked out the size of my Baculum? Look at my Baculum, look. Oh, my God. This guy's holding it. It looks like he's holding, like, a baseball bat that's twice as long as a normal baseball bat. Well, I can see your Baculum. Your Baculum is showing. It's good. It's a good Baculum. That was a good tangent. Jesse J., that was for you. All right. Jesse J., you want a Kelts? Yeah, Jesse J., have you played it? I'd like to play it. It exceeded my expectations on stream, though. Scott Beculum, what are you expecting? It to explode? You know what? I think Kelts isn't a bad game, Chris. I think you give it a... It's fun. We shot it. It was a good shooter. You're always – It's a single level. You're paying single level price. The problem is – I got this. Pro Sterns have more in them. They do. Can I just say – Go ahead. Again, real quick, you can get your point. I promise. The Avengers Pro that we played, I know we talked about it last week. Oh, I love that. That is the most fully featured pro I've seen from Stern in years. Avengers – God bless the Avengers Pro. Avengers Pro is a great value. Okay. Here's – go ahead. So, Kelts, you know, Chris, you're always talking about value. Kelts is a great value in the pinball landscape. Now, however, with that being said, being around the price of a pro, it is going to have a tough time competing with something like Avengers Pro. However, they're only making 200 of them, and I think they will sell them. And to Ian's point, yeah, there's a lot of big collectors in Australia. So he might just sell all 200 there, quite honestly. And, you know, obviously some will come overseas, because there's obviously big collectors here who just want that kind of rare game in their collection. So for a rare game to be that price, I think it's a good value. Right? Because if Raza makes 200, they're probably going to sell them for like $8,000, right? yeah probably you know so that that's my take mike williams you need another dad joke episode absolutely i was talking about it today actually with him we're gonna get another one out there soon there is no raza yeah i know wishful thinking there is no get something out deep root um when i saw kelts my first thought is where's the pin bar tony's tony scoots uh you think they're gonna have a licensee for game number two i think uh yes i think uh damien has already kind of confirmed that the next game will be a licensed game mike williams it's funny you asked do we know of anyone in the u.s getting one um so pretty soon we'll be able to collect bits here on twitch we're gonna collect bits for kelts so as soon as we get to six thousand dollars in bits we're getting we're getting the kelts baby that's all there you go and uh ian and i are going to have drink specials where we have all kinds of stuff planned for that when can we start collecting bits pretty soon right yeah aussies will be keen uh to support local obviously yeah jesse j i agree man one one bit sent all right six million more bits to go we are almost there thanks oh that's lee yeah that's lee we haven't seen lee in a while lee bellheimer yeah yeah try one bit sent we love you thanks lee is what you need subscriptions okay sorry subscriptions is what we need to get of kelts so everybody subscribe to our channel when we're allowed to all right so this was fun should we get into some more fun all right so we have a new tribe member should we do tribe let's do it let's do the tribe members your singing sucks Thank you, sir. May I have another? Poor Man's Pinball Tribe. Thank you, sir. May I have another? Poor Man's Pinball Tribe. Thank you, sir. May I have another? Poor Man's Pinball Tribe. Right now, yeah! God, that last bit always fucking hurts my ears every time. All right, so, Tribeless. um let's go into our current tribe members we had to actually add a third column oh yeah i know big times big big number 36 big number 36 so how do we become a tribe member well one you like us on facebook simple enough number two um communicate with us i don't care what it is an email would be would suffice poor man's pinball gmail.com yep or chat with us on our live stream now on twitch so we haven't said that with the tribe but yeah yeah absolutely come to the come to the come to the stream and let us know who you are and that would be great. That would be fantastic. The other thing would be... Drew? Help us grow our podcast. That was a test for Drew. He failed. What? I want you to send emails to Kaneda and tell him about the Poor Man's Pinball podcast. Kaneda'spinball.gmail.com. He can read those on the air and that way we can grow our podcast. Grow our podcast through Kaneda. So let's all do that and ask him about his socks while we're at it. So sign up for Patreon with Kaneda. Send him an email and say, we want to talk about the poor man. Yep, and I want you to talk more about the poor man, Kaneda. So there we go. And then I don't have a tribe member yet. Well, we didn't talk about pillar number five, which is you got to wear socks. Sorry, Chris. That's not true. That's not true. No, pillar number four is, that fell down. That was the media pillar, but we kind of rebuilt it. We're trying not to keep people with large egos in the tribe. Sorry, Chris. Where's that room shot? It was really mostly meant for Ken. I don't trust that Ken guy. Chris DePinter, that's like half a slot. Why are you not in the tribe, Chris? I don't know. And then, you know, the fifth pillar is secret, only known to Drew and I. No one will ever know the fifth pillar. All right. So without further ado, we have a trad member now, a new inductee. He followed all the pillars. Actually, he followed all the pillars about, like. Oh, months, months and months and months. Like last year. Yes. That's what I was going to say. We talked about inducting this guy literally, like, a year ago. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry. You fell by the wayside, but now you're here. Yeah. He's one of our faves. So without further ado, should we do a drum roll, Drew? You want to get that ghetto drum roll? Yeah, we need a sound effect for that. It's more classy when we do it this way. New tribe member, Jeremy Schmitz. Jeremy Schmitz, new tribe member. Welcome to the tribe, sir. Now, he sent me all sorts of goodies. I did just some bullet points here. Holy crap. I didn't know he owned that many games. He's been in the hobby since 2009. His first pin was the Data East Batman. He currently owns 22 games. Adam's Family was the first game that stole his heart. Go figure. That's part of my whole thing. If it's not Adam's Family, it's Black Knight. Those are like the two. There's probably a third one in there. I'm forgetting it, but probably Attack from Mars. He found an Adam's Family on Craigslist years ago for $1,500 in Adam's Family. His story goes he was looking on eBay, and they were going for $3,000 to $4,000 at the time. This is years ago. Sign me up for $10,000, please. He goes on Craigslist, and Craigslist, he says, was relatively new at the time. Found one for $1,500. Jesus. Adam's family. And it's still in his collection. That's awesome. Bolted into the ground. Twitter handle is Cavalier88Z24 after his first car. People think he has all the games in his house. He actually has an apartment. he rents 22 games you're like hey landlord can i put all these games in here please and he is cavalier 88 z24 he is right above you uh canada yes yes so uh cheese slices up fuck yeah we're getting some cheese slices fuck yeah cheese slices jeremy welcome so my my quick little story about jeremy so i met jeremy uh at at league he gets all the sound effects all the buttons i love it ian's eating cheese that's cheese i met i met jeremy at league at eric pripke's house and it was probably the third time we're there you know and and most of the people they're great people and we're there we're just hanging out in the basement playing pinball it's just league night and one day i look over you know i met jeremy once or twice before and i'm like what's that and he's like oh it's my cooler and i'm like what no one no one there's drinking he has a cooler with beer in it oh i knew that yeah that's why jeremy's our man yes exactly and i was like this guy belongs in the tribe totally you know and him and i always talk at league we had a good time and obviously we haven't done in a while because of covid but yeah he's carrying around a little koozie with a bunch of beers in it, one of those little soft coolers. No one else there is drinking except him. I'm like, yeah, this is awesome. Give me a fucking beer. You want to hear something cool? His first game that he bought, that Batman Dead East, he got it from Tom Graff. Oh, Tom Graff in Fox Cities. Yep. This is his game list. You want to hear it? This is what's in his apartment, Kaneda. If there's a will, there's a way, brother. I can only have one game in my apartment. This guy you need to strive to be like All right Chris All right he got batman dark knight getaway tales from the arabian nights fuck already really good diner he got a rob zombie womp womp yeah sorry buddy metallica premium oh uh he says it says road case what's that road kings maybe no no oh that's the road case edition okay it's uh yeah it looks like a roadies box data east batman motherfucker have you sold a game that's that's your first game you kept sold one the day of the other day uh johnny mnemonic doctor who last action hero twilight zone indiana jones star trek next gen hurricane adam's family whitewater party zone the shadow monster bash funhouse sea witch and creature god damn jeremy how did i not know you had such a good collection I know we've talked, and that's amazing. Goddamn. I'm jealous. That's fucking... I want half those games. I love those games. Yeah. He's got Ian's perfect collection. Yeah, he does. He does. That's awesome. In one apartment, Chris. In one apartment. One apartment, yes. Imagine what his electricity is. He's up and over there to make the bagels. Here in Wisconsin, Chris, we don't have one-bedroom apartments that cost $5,000. Oh, that's true. That's true. You know, for $5,000 here, you can rent a literal mansion. Yeah, that's serious. Like, a legitimate mansion. Holy shit. You New York boys. It's a rental house. Who said Shadow? Yeah, Jesse J. You know it. Shadow. That's, that's. And Indiana Jones, Jesse. Did you just hear that one? Indiana Jones as well. That rivals Dave Jeff Brenner's collection. I mean, he's got some heavy hitters in there. Some high-end stuff, too. That shit's worth a little bit. Mm-hmm. God bless it. Way to go, guys. Well, Jeremy Schmitz, welcome. Welcome to the tribe, my man. We'll send you an invite. Yes. You can join the debauchery on the tribe page. The secret tribe page, which is the most ridiculous page. Still is. Christopher Franchi and Batman's dicks. That's all we can share with you guys. Christopher Franchi. Christopher Franchi draws a magical Batman dick. Okay, everybody? Joking. I'm joking. He has not made a Batman dick course. so that brings me brings up an important rumor right we hear cgc is going to be coming out with cactus canyon by the end of the year yeah do you think not theater magic no it was going to be cactus canyon uh i mean shit that was on our show months ago when we had eric pripke on here yeah i i think it's awesome i mean the games they've made so far they've all been great right so why why would this game not be great i don't know i have no idea they're always they're always well done yes is cactus canyon gonna be that showstopper though you've played it so yeah you let me know it's a fun game but you know from a theme perspective i mean you know attack from mars is better but you know i don't think you can go wrong with it though and and those games have also proven to hold their value does that make sense though you go attack from medieval madness attack from mars monster monster bash and then cactus canyon that's my decision i get disconnected there and nobody fucking wants that what would you have done theater of magic twilight zone do you think twilight zone imagine all the things you could do you could do a black and white edition you could do a lot that's a wide body though remember i don't give a shit well don't they make cabinets for a living yes it's not the cabinet it's the extra expense for everything else you need i don't give a shit i want a quiet zone or an indiana jones over another wide body don't give a shit so what non-wide body would you have made uh big bang bar okay that makes the most sense to me sure because it's easily big bang bar in fact i would have done big bang bar before i would have done monster bash okay well they didn't no they they did not yeah i i can definitely see that but uh let's say toten big bang bar theater magic yeah i mean they're all uh whitewater there's plenty of whitewaters well it's not that rare well yeah but neither neither is uh theater magic there's a lot of theater magics out there yeah they're all broke as shit though well sure But that's the thing. It's like they make them. They have new locks. Whitewater is pretty simple. There's not much to a Whitewater. The ramps. Mech-wise? Yeah. They're just ramps. They're ramps. The toys in that game are the ramps. That's true. Yeah, and the upper play field is badass, and they have just a vertical up kicker, and that's about it. Sure, but like I said, same thing we were talking about. I just don't think Whitewater is in that whole realm. I mean, they could do probably another 50 games before they got to a game like Whitewater. Oh, really? I think so. There's a lot of games that are rare out there that people want, collectors want, people want to play. Well, that's the thing. I mean, because they're selling all these between six and seven grand. You know, the classics are at six grand. So that's a pretty good value. Hell, I'd probably do a Circus Voltaire before I'd do Whitewater. Wouldn't you? Well, you know what? Now that you're saying all those, Circus Voltaire would make sense, too, because that one goes for eight, nine, ten grand. Yeah. You've got to get that price list, right? You've got to get the shit that the collectors love, and then you've got to piss off every collector for the poor men out there. Sure, but every time they release a game, they're going to sell well. They just will. I don't know. I don't know if Cactus Canyon will. So you don't think they'll sell a bunch of standard, or what do you call it, special editions right off the bat? I think you've got to be a real big pinhead to want a Cactus Canyon, Whereas I think Monster Bash, Attack from Mars, Medieval Madness, I think that appeals to a wide variety of people. Yeah, but if you're not a pinhead, do you even know that that exists? Yes, you don't know. That's my point because... You don't know it exists. You know, those things are bad. Are you talking about Cactus Canyon existing? Sure, because when they started selling those other ones, you know, unless you're a pinhead, you don't know they exist. I'm in for a road show, says Jeremy. uh road yeah and there's another wide body i just it sounds to me like all these companies are shying away from right wide bodies think about it jersey jack said they're not doing all right let's go let's go to let's go to chat because this is very interesting all right adam's family um a lot of abs family talk i think uh all right glenn says i think cgc He should be going after underrated games in the 50 to 100 range to leave titles to do down the road. Whitewater, all with more audience. It's not going to be Cactus Canyon continued. Eric wasn't even asked. I didn't say it was going to be Cactus Canyon continued. This is going to be Cactus Canyon complete, all right? Yeah, they're going to add their own code. They're just going to do their own shit. Yeah, they're going to add their own code. And Eric was called. Officially, he was called. He was contacted. He contacted them back and then never heard anything. And then nothing ever really came of it. Because they said, we don't want to pay anyone. We'll just do it ourselves. Yes. Probably. Said somebody sometime. Well, that's the thing. All right, Glenn, unless they're going to start making their own themes. And I think that's probably the smartest. Glenn says fishtails. No, that's not one that's on people's list. I mean, people like it. Adam's Family, they would sell Adam's Family. A CBC remake of Adam's Family? Adam's Family. $20,000. Or 20,000 of those fuckers were paid. Isn't that amazing? It's one of the most expensive games. I'm telling you, man. And every time I play one, it's the same thing. It's fun. I like it. Leap. It's not worth what it's what. Roller games, then dick. That's all you need, roller games, baby. Roadshow. That game sucks, though. All right. Adam's keep going up, and they made over 20,000 of them. Yeah. No, there's something to be said about Adam's family, and they should remake it. I don't know why. I guess, you know what, now that we're having this conversation, Adam's family probably makes more sense than any of them. Right. Jamie Schmidt said he's in for that road show. Interesting. I'm sorry, what were you going to say? Well, I said Adam's family is probably better than all those games for selling. Right? Because if you're going to, you know, like Kaneda said. That's true, Kaneda. They are for collection. Yeah, they are for collection. But I'm saying if they release an Addams Family now where you can get a brand new, out of the box, with a nice new display for $8,000, that's way better value than an original. Yeah. I also think, though, I mean, I think they're for, I get what you're saying. You'd have to renegotiate the movie. Yeah, the movie rights. I still think the pinball people, people that are pinheads, there's different variations here, right? We have the hardcore collectors and then there's pinheads. And I think pinheads see the value in getting a CGC remake, right? Mm-hmm. But I understand what Chris is saying. Yeah, if you want to go for the special edition stuff, then yeah, I get it, man. Maybe the collectors are more into that, but I think it's a good bang for your buck, to be honest. Sure, sure. You want those games in your collection? Like, I got Monster Bash. It was beautiful for a while. I just think, to all their points, though, like I said, they can release anything. It's going to be new. It's going to be shiny. It's going to have cool lights. It's going to have a cool show. It's going to sell. Don't excuse. It's going to be hard playing the old stuff with all the new ones, especially with the new GNR. The more new ones come out every year, the more the old ones comes down. Oh, yeah? How many GNRs are in homes right now? I don't want to be that guy. There's going to be a bunch of them. well at some point yeah but they're more available yeah but they're still they're still struggling the old one i mean the old ones are more available oh yeah yeah yeah but the g&r's will be out and they will go in people's homes but but there's this point would you rather have monster bash or would you like a g&r but there again don't no answer the question hang on you'd want a g&r absolutely you want the new stuff but the new stuff is great but but now you're talking about $10,000 versus potentially $6,000 or $7,000. $10,000 for what? You can't get a GNR for $6,000 or $7,000? No one's buying the standard. You can buy the standard. Who? You can. Who's buying a standard out there? I don't know, but I'm just saying. Is anybody here in chat even remotely interested in a standard? Crickets? Crickets? They're not going to talk back. Nobody answered me, so it must be nobody. Hey, Kaneda. Pimble, right there. Boom, the last one. Thank you, Zach. People are buying the standard. Drew's on track today, kids. What people? Give me their names. I'm calling them on the air right now. Drew doesn't know what he's talking about. Zach, give me a list of name and numbers. People are buying the standard. It's the cheapest option. I'd buy Kelts over GNR standards, says Kaneda. Beatty just bought one yesterday. Oh, well, you proved me wrong. Beatty, I know you listen to us. Congratulations. Congratulations on the new standard edition. It is. No, it's a fine game. I'm just saying most people are buying the LE. Now you're talking $10,000. That's my point. No, people will buy the standards. Hey, man, I think every one of those games looks beautiful. Oh, yeah, they're awesome. They're super awesome GNR is a fantastic game I'm excited to see it I'm excited to be in front of one And Zach, BD will probably be selling that in about 6 months I see BD, he sells a lot He was selling something today The same people that listen to Zach's midweek show Aww Glenn Glenn, Gorgar? Gorgar? Oh, remake Gorgar? Remake Gorgar You can still get a Gorgar cheap Yeah They're not that expensive. No, they're not. They're like $1,500. Glenn, when the fuck are you going to buy a Gorgon? You got money, Glenn. Go get yourself a game. Yep, Zach, you're right. No, no, no. The value on a GNR standard is off the charts. I'm not disputing that. I'm just saying that looking at all the models, I would definitely want the LE, and that's quite a bit more. So that's all. I got you, Zach. But yeah, you're absolutely right. We're assuming it could very well be Nicole. Nicole, you're a very smart lady. Yes, I'm sure Nicole is listening to our nonsense right now. Nicole is wishing she had your sweaty shirt. So at Expo, when we were at this party after the show, we were up in some hotel room party, and Drew was so wasted. Certainly Nicole, buttholes. Yeah, right. Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah, and Drew was wasted. And for whatever reason, he thought Nicole definitely wanted his sweaty shirt. So he started taking off. And I saw the horror on her face. So no, no, no, no. Now, Jesse J would have taken that. Everybody wants my shirt. You know, I go to places all the time. I'm in the grocery store wearing my poor man stuff. And people are like, I got to fight off these women. And just like, can I have your shirt? Can I get an autograph? You want to hear a true story? Yeah. When I went to the zoo this year, there was a lady selling, I don't know, icies or whatever my wife wanted an icy i'm in line and i was wearing my poor man's pinball shirt and the lady looked at me looked at my shirt and she started laughing and she's like man people are wearing the funniest shirts today i go oh yeah this is fucking hilarious yeah yeah thanks for ruining my ego forever anyway all right it'll be heavily spritzed it will be it'll be spritzed with um tequila and I'm still waiting on my Drew Scented shirt by way of Billy J. Yeah, we shipped it. We sent it to Jesse. Yeah, it takes a while. We put it on the boat that has the pinballs on them. It's going to take four to six months. Looking at pinball. First, Drew tries taking his sweaty-ass shirt off for my wife. Then, an hour later, he's throwing it up in the urinal and his dick is hanging out. Most epic night ever. Or it was just Saturday night. Yeah, yeah. Or another weekend with Drew. And it wasn't hanging out, Zach. It was in my hand. Let's get the facts right here, buddy. That was great, Drew. That was fucking fantastic. There is definitely a difference between hanging out and hanging out. Yeah. I got my dick in one hand I'm trying to shake your hand with my other hand Everything's fine We got it Fine, next time I see you I'm going to pretend I don't even know you, Zach That's what's going to happen I may have been looking too closely Oh, shit Yeah, you need a microscope sometimes The regular weeknight with the guys These guys Alright, so let's call it We're calling it It's the long hair show Two-parter because my computer died in the middle Well, that happens Guys, this has been a great chat. So much fun. Yes, thank you so much. Jesse J., Kaneda, Mike Williams, our newest tribe member, Jeremy Schmitz. Welcome to the tribe. Thank you. Dave Jeff Brenner showing up. Yeah, Dave. He stayed for the whole effing thing. Yeah, that's awesome. Thanks, Dave. I appreciate you, brother. All you guys, if we missed you, we're sorry. Tiki Pinball, please let us know who you are, your name, because we're still learning everyone's switch name. Yeah. so uh tiki pinball thank you ace a track thank you uh thank you to all of our sponsors well we have flipping out pinball zach and nicole many just killing it every freaking week every freaking day trying to make sure that you guys get the new shinies uh we have doc over there at pinball prices.com uh great resource for you pinheads to go out there and look for what games are uh what or worth um get what you're worth man um the other one um doc over at uh or not doc but um um jockton over at uh pin shades yep uh enter poor man um to get free shipping um get your pin shades there and then also pin stadium scott jesse j i didn't forget about you we're gonna have that right at the end here poor man's with an s um so we have that and uh poor man's with an s that's That's 10% off. And then Twip. We steal all of our news from Twip, Zach. Saw that drama, did they? Jesus. We do get, we steal all of our news from Twip because we're lazy. But we say that, we don't start drama. Way to go, Zach. Way to go, Zach. Because we're lazy and he pays us $3 a month. And then I think that's all of them. That's it. Oh, and Zen Studios. Zen Studios, makers of Pinball FX3. Buy their new pack. They have a fantastic pack with Funhaus, Space Station, and, of course, Dr. Dude. All right. Jesse J., I did not forget about you. We got a very special mailbag today. Oh, mailbag. From Miss Jesse J. All right. Hold up. Eddie! Mail call! All right. So Jesse J. Yep. Always sends us this great stuff. just so you guys know her and I have been collaborating a little bit with Dr. John we're trying to get something together where Jessie J and I just go off the rails and do something completely not pinball related just having some fun but anyway she sends us all kinds of cool stuff so today she sends me this Dear Poor Men slash Buttholes she knows us so well I recently made aware of a new health trend called Buttholes Sunning which I think you may be interested in which we are. We first heard about butthole sunning with Orbital Albert, right? Yeah. There was a joke about him smoking weed in his bathtub, sunning his butthole. I don't know what it was, but something like that. Anyways, she continues. I tried to share this to the fan page, but Facebook clearly didn't appreciate the photo of a naked man doing spreadies to the gods, and they deleted it. So I've copied the text here for your information. Thank you for that, Jesse. Please enjoy. I did 15 minutes of butthole sunning yesterday, and I feel supercharged for my week. I didn't even need coffee this morning. I woke up bright and early with the sunrise ready for my day. That was that dude, right? Don't take my word for it. Just try it for yourself so you can receive and feel the beneficial power of the sun through your anus. Butthole sun. Butthole sun. Won't you come? Remember to start your week by charging your anus with the power of the sun. Your anus is considered the fourth eye, and it's directly connected to your third eye and pineal gland. I do not consider that my fourth eye. That eye has seen some shit. I see what you mean. That was the best pun of the month. Absorbing sunlight through your anus is a great way to recharge your whole system. For many people in the world, their anus is the seat of their consciousness, and their consciousness needs brightening. What better way to brighten your mood by getting light to the darkest area of your body? Speak for yourself, Jesse J. Mine's white as the sun. If more people received nourishing light particles through your anus, I believe there would be far less assholes in the world. Ooh, that's deep. No pun intended. Deep in the butthole. No. Seriously, though, it's important to love the skin you live in, love your body, and love yourself wholeheartedly and unconditionally. Spend time in your natural state, nature, feeling the sun in your skin. And then there's a bunch of hashtags, crazy sexy yoga, happy baby pose. Nature, natural slate, Sunday fun day. Yours in good health, Jesse J. Jesse J., thank you for sharing that butthole sunning tutorial, I guess. Yeah, that's a very important public service announcement that the poor man in the arts. She just hashtagged down here, spreadies to the gods. That's the best part. Spreadies to the gods. That's the song, Browner Girl. Are we on fucking Friday now? Dave, where have you been? We've been on fucking Friday for like two years. Dave Jeff Brenner said, MGC 2021 pregame at Dave's. Boom. We're there, Dave. Oh, there you go. Zach wants to co-host the Fuck It Friday. We can make that happen. Oh, yeah. That would actually be good fun, Zach. We'll put you on a busy schedule. And Jesse J says, 88 degrees here today. Perfect day for it. Does that mean you're sunning your butthole, Jesse J? Jesus. Is that what's happening here? That's not appropriate, sir. Yeah. That crossed the line. Listen, if she's going to, yeah, that's the one that put us over the edge. Shame on you. She is a goddamn lady. If she wants us on her butthole, that's her own business. Me, personally, I like to fake bake my asshole. I go in there, I'm like, I just want a concentrated piece of light. It's cold here. I buy one of those UV flashlights, shine it right up in there. Silence. Crickets. Prison Pro 1 butthole, also known as prison pocket. Yeah. I see what you did there, Prison Pro 1. Zach needs to be more chill about junk touching to co-host successfully. Dr. John, you are right. Zach, you need to get over your fear of touching my junk. That needs to happen. You are so weirded out about it. If you and I can't shake hands while we're touching each other's junk, then... You know what? If you're not into it, Zach, it's fine. But that's part of fucking Friday. Yeah, and Equal Opportunity Butthole Signing says, Jesse J., you're right. Jesse J., women, men, I treat them all the same. So you're signing a butthole, good for you. Yeah, well, whatever. Buttholes are buttholes. You know what? Oh, Zach says, you know what? I'm in. I'll hold your hand while pissing. Zach, that is the poor man's spirit. You are now welcome to be a co-host. We will do a fucking Friday. That would actually be really good. You crazy son of a bitch, I'm in. Hang on, Zach. The only way we'll do this is if Dennis comes too. Dennis doesn't know we exist. I know. If you get Dennis to do a Fuck It Friday with us. Dennis would be horrified. I want Dennis to do two shots of tequila. Let's not scar the man. And then get on our show. Oh, my God. That would make my night. I would feel uncomfortable for Dennis. He doesn't have to do tequila. He can not drink at all because that would actually be funnier. He'll just be his surly self. Zach. It'll be awesome. Dennis doesn't like me, much less you guys. No, I know. We're well aware. Den, den. Hey, we're not for everybody, especially den, den. So it's all good, man. All right. So true story. I met Zach for the first time in a parking lot. I shook his hand and said, I just picked my nose. His first words to me were, fuck you. Dennis won't come. No way. Oh, yeah, Dave Jeff Brenner. For sure he's not coming. And Dennis doesn't swear. Of course he doesn't swear. It's Dennis. He's a goddamn angel. All right. He is. So I'm fucking for real now. We got to shut this shit off. OK. Some people have to work tomorrow. We all have to work. I do. Yeah. And we're all sitting here. We do this every Monday night. Yep. Every time. We all hate each other the next day. No, we don't. Not true. But yeah, thank you guys for coming out. Thanks, everybody. Check out the bottom bar. YouTube, Poor Man Spinball Podcast. We try to upload these things. Facebook, like us at the Poor Man Spinball Podcast. Yes, emails, poormanpinball at gmail.com. Twitter, I don't care if you follow us or not on Twitter. Don't give a shit. But, yeah, if you want to be part of the chat and the live show, I am telling you, I am encouraging you, you've got to follow us on Twitch. It's super fun. So enjoy it. I love you guys. Drew, any parting words? Thank you, guys. It's been a blast. We'll see you next week. Thanks to our sponsors, and we love you guys. And Dave Jeff Brenner, I love you, buddy. I miss you. 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