# #139 South Park - The Classic Pinball Podcast

**Source:** The Classic Pinball Podcast  
**Type:** podcast_episode  
**Published:** 2026-04-27  
**Duration:** 77m 18s  
**Beat:** Pinball

**URL:** https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/george272/episodes/139-South-Park---The-Classic-Pinball-Podcast-e3ig9g9

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## Analysis

George and Dave discuss the history and restoration of a Sega South Park pinball machine from the late 1990s. Dave recounts acquiring the game from a client, detailed restoration efforts, and attempting to sell it through PinSide ahead of PinFest (Allentown Show). The conversation covers pricing dynamics, collector vs. operator perspectives, and tangential discussions about other machines and pinball community activity.

### Key Claims

- [HIGH] Sega made approximately 2,200 South Park pinball machines — _Dave explicitly states '2,200' when George asks how many were made_
- [MEDIUM] A restored South Park pinball is worth $5,000-$8,000 in the market — _Dave's estimate: 'if you look for a restored one of these, I don't know, anywhere from $5,000 to $8,000 maybe'_
- [HIGH] Dave priced his South Park at $4,700, representing fair value below pristine condition pricing — _Dave states: 'I thought in the $4,000 range, $4,700 is the right price for that game' and notes a perfect cabinet would command $5,000-$6,000_
- [MEDIUM] South Park machines were 'huge earners' on location in the late 1990s — _George: 'They were probably huge earners at the time' in response to Dave noting they got 'played to death on location'_
- [MEDIUM] Cabinet planking/striations on the South Park were caused by improper storage against a basement cement wall with moisture — _Dave explains: 'if you stored the game in a basement next to a cement wall that's kind of lets moisture in, the moisture is going to hit the side of the game and cause some wood planking'_
- [MEDIUM] Sega and Stern used the same board set in late 1990s-early 2000s machines — _Dave: 'Sega and Stern and Sega were the same company, but Sega was the owner of the late 90s stuff until Stern took over for real in 2000. But the same board set as Stern'_
- [HIGH] A buyer initially agreed to purchase the South Park for $4,700 with $500 deposit but backed out two hours later citing cabinet cosmetics concerns — _Dave describes the PinSide transaction: buyer requested deposit via Venmo, then '2 hours later' said 'the cabinet on is not really what I wanted'_
- [HIGH] Dave sells to established clients at higher margins than collector sales — _Dave: 'my clientele is different than selling to a collector... I can sell to my own clientele by Christmas and it'll be up $1,000'_

### Notable Quotes

> "They made a couple thousand of them. 2,200."
> — **Dave**, early in conversation
> _Establishes rarity and production volume of South Park machines, key context for collector value_

> "If you're a fan, that is a fan game. You've got all the elements you want."
> — **George**, mid-discussion
> _Characterizes South Park's appeal to theme enthusiasts over depth players_

> "Nobody wants a Charlie in the Box, George."
> — **Dave**, mid-discussion
> _Uses Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer allegory to describe difficulty selling the South Park machine_

> "You've got to find the right person. Right. And you're broadcasting when there's a billion messages."
> — **George**, late discussion
> _Reflects on PinSide marketplace dynamics and visibility challenges in high-traffic threads_

> "It's like selling a used car. Do you want to deal with... the general public?"
> — **Dave**, early-mid discussion
> _Contrasts direct client sales with marketplace sales friction_

> "He's telling me truthfully what the guy said, and that's it. It's like, look, I disclosed it."
> — **Dave**, mid-discussion about failed sale
> _Shows tension between seller disclosure and buyer expectations in used machine sales_

### Entities

| Name | Type | Context |
|------|------|---------|
| South Park | game | Late 1990s Sega pinball machine based on Comedy Central animated series; approximately 2,200 units produced; subject of restoration and sale discussion |
| Dave | person | Pinball restorer and dealer; operates Dr. Dave's Pinball Restoration YouTube channel; buys, restores, and sells pinball machines; primary speaker discussing South Park acquisition and sale |
| George | person | Co-host of The Classic Pinball Podcast; co-host with Dave; interviewer and conversationalist |
| PinSide | organization | Online pinball community forum where buying/selling occurs; hosts large PinFest (Allentown Show) trading threads with thousands of posts |
| Sega | company | Pinball manufacturer in late 1990s; owned Stern operations until real takeover in 2000; used same board sets as early Stern machines |
| Stern | company | Pinball manufacturer; acquired Sega operations in 2000; used compatible board sets with late Sega machines |
| Eric Stern | person | Competitive pinball player; visited Dave's collection with friends; set high scores on multiple machines including Star Trek Next Generation |
| Dr. Dave's Pinball Restoration | product | YouTube channel operated by Dave featuring machine restorations and gameplay; South Park machine featured in recent video |
| Pinfest (Allentown Show) | event | Major annual pinball trading show and collector gathering; hosts massive online thread with thousands of posts for buy/sell/trade; Dave initially planned to bring South Park but opted for pre-sale instead |
| JR | person | Pinball contact in Maine; had South Park machine on consignment at game room store 20 years ago; facilitated Dave's initial acquisition |
| Retro Refurbs | company | European (Netherlands-based) cabinet restoration service; charges $200 for South Park decal/sticker sets; requires 40+ hours of labor (sanding, refinishing) |
| Brown Log Pinball | person | Content creator with Twitch channel; follows and films Eric Stern at tournaments and social events; recently visited Dave's collection and recorded gameplay footage |
| Craig | person | Friend of Eric Stern; visited Dave's collection with Brown Log Pinball; mentioned as part of touring group |
| Enil | person | Associate of Eric Stern and Brown Log Pinball; visited Dave's collection with crazy hair; appears on Brown Log Pinball Twitch content |
| Star Trek: The Next Generation | game | Pinball machine in Dave's collection; Eric Stern scored several billion points on recently-completed version; featured on Brown Log Pinball Twitch stream |
| Addams Family | game | Classic pinball machine; Dave previously sold restored version on PinSide for asking price despite community criticism about pricing |
| Jaws LE | game | Limited Edition pinball game; highly sought-after with only 1,000 units made; Dave seeking one for customer in Cape Cod area; collectors reluctant to sell |
| Knight Rider | game | Pinball machine playfield sold by Dave; part of multi-item transaction with Connecticut buyer |
| Eight Ball Deluxe | game | Pinball machine playfield sold by Dave; part of restoration and sales activity |
| The Six Million Dollar Man | game | Pinball machine playfield sold by Dave; part of multi-item playfield sales |
| Stingray | game | Vintage pinball machine playfield with mouse urine damage (stains, discoloration); sold for $50 to PinSide buyer from Connecticut |
| Ground Shaker | game | 1980s Bally pinball; listed for $1,600 at PinFest; Dave describes as 'typical Bally from 1980,' 'kind of boring' |
| Future Spa | game | Wide-body pinball machine; listed for $1,600 at PinFest; described as 'wide-body Fonzie 8-ball'; good tournament game but Dave doesn't want to own |

### Signals

- **[restoration_signal]** Dave evaluates South Park playfield as immaculate and well-preserved despite cabinet cosmetic issues; includes intact Mr. Hankey mechanism with functional arms and undamaged toilet bowl, indicating low play history despite age (confidence: high) — Dave: 'The play field was immaculate' and describes Mr. Hankey arms and toilet as 'all good' despite typical wear on heavily-played examples
- **[market_signal]** South Park late-1990s Sega machine exhibits healthy secondary market with pricing tier of $4,700-$6,000 for restored examples depending on cabinet condition; pristine examples command $5,000-$8,000 (confidence: high) — Dave establishes $4,700 asking price, notes pristine would be $5,000-$6,000, earlier references $5,000-$8,000 range for restored units
- **[collector_signal]** South Park machines exhibit rarity and collector appeal due to limited production run (~2,200 units); difficult to find on market; original 1990s licensing appeal drives collecting interest (confidence: high) — Dave: 'They didn't make a lot of them. 2,200' and 'They're not available every day' reflecting scarcity; George characterizes as 'fan game' that satisfies theme enthusiasts
- **[community_signal]** PinSide marketplace shows high activity but poor conversion; large trading threads with 'thousands of posts' bury individual listings quickly; buyers show inconsistency and flakiness (deposit forfeit scenario); collector buyers more picky and price-sensitive than established clients (confidence: high) — Dave describes lost visibility ('it's getting lost in the shovel') and buyer backing out 2 hours after deposit despite prior disclosure; notes collectors are 'cheap and picky' while direct clients pay premium pricing
- **[venue_signal]** South Park machines were heavily played on location in late 1990s as high-earning games; many machines show extreme playfield wear from commercial use; well-preserved examples are rare; Dave's example had low play history (personal home use for 20+ years) (confidence: high) — Dave: 'These games got played to death on location' and George: 'They were probably huge earners at the time'; Dave's example 'had low plays' and was well-maintained in private home
- **[product_concern]** South Park machine exhibits planking/striations on cabinet sides, likely caused by storage against basement cement wall with moisture exposure; affects aesthetics but not playability; difficult to fully remediate without extensive refinishing (confidence: high) — Dave describes damage pattern and cause; notes full restoration via Retro Refurbs would cost $200+ parts plus 40+ hours labor, making it 'not worth it'; buyer concerns centered on this cosmetic issue
- **[design_philosophy]** South Park pinball prioritizes IP/theme authenticity over complex ruleset; appeals to theme enthusiasts and casual fans rather than competitive depth players; described as 'not really the deepest rule set' but satisfying for franchise fans (confidence: high) — George: 'If you're a fan, that is a fan game. You've got all the elements you want' and Dave: 'Not really the deepest rule set of a game, but still fun. If you're a South Park fan, you know, it does the job.'
- **[personnel_signal]** Brown Log Pinball emerging as pinball content creator on Twitch platform; follows competitive player Eric Stern, creates tournament coverage and gameplay documentation; recently visited Dave's private collection and recorded content (confidence: medium) — Dave discusses Brown Log Pinball Twitch channel content of Eric Stern's gameplay; channel shows Dave's machines and gameplay footage including Star Trek: The Next Generation scoring session
- **[competitive_signal]** Eric Stern visited Dave's collection and demonstrated high skill level by scoring 'several billion' points on Star Trek: The Next Generation pinball; used for content creation on Brown Log Pinball Twitch stream (confidence: high) — Dave: 'He freaking blew that game up. He's like got the, I don't know, several billion on it' and notes gameplay was recorded and broadcast on Twitch
- **[operational_signal]** Practical challenges of moving and transporting pinball machines; Dave uses custom scissor jack device for safe lifting; specialized equipment (stair climbers) useful for basement-to-truck movement; requires proper infrastructure and skilled labor (confidence: high) — Dave describes using 'special scissor jack thing I made to lift the game up and down' and using friend Dave's 'stair climber' equipment ($1,500-$1,800 units with tractor treads); two-person team for safe extraction
- **[market_signal]** Significant pricing divergence between operator/client sales and collector market; direct clients pay premium pricing with less price sensitivity; collector market highly price-sensitive, nitpicky about cosmetics, and slow to close; Dave targets established client base for higher-margin sales (confidence: high) — Dave: 'my clientele is different than selling to a collector... Selling to a collector, they're a lot more picky about stupid crap and they're like cheaper. They're cheap and picky' and 'I can sell to my own clientele by Christmas and it'll be up $1,000'
- **[content_signal]** Dr. Dave's Pinball Restoration YouTube channel generates interest and visibility for machines; South Park video receives positive community response; restoration content serves as de facto marketing for machines offered for sale (confidence: high) — Dave: 'I invite you to go out to YouTube and look at Dave's latest video on the game South Park' and describes PinSide buyers responding with interest after seeing video content

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## Transcript

Hello and welcome to another episode of the Classic Pinball Podcast. My name is George. His name is Dave. Hello, Dave. Hello, George. Dave, let's get right into it. If you haven't seen it, I invite you to go out to YouTube and look at Dave's latest video on the game South Park. That is quite a good-looking game there, Mr. Dave. Thank you, sir. So why don't you tell the audience the story behind the game and any other facts you would like to throw out there? I got facts, grip and drama, history. I got everything. So even some funny little tidbits, too. So I'll give you a little back story of this game. So this game came from years ago, oh, probably, I don't know, at least 15, 15, 20 years ago. I picked it up. I had a customer, a client, that was looking to get a South Park, and it looked a couple of towns over, and I couldn't find one because they didn't make a lot of them. They made a couple thousand of them. 2,200. Yeah. So, you know, they're not available every day. Not really the deepest rule set of a game, but still fun. If you're a South Park fan, you know, it does the job. I think that's the nail on the head. Exactly. I mean, if you're a fan, that is a fan game. You've got all the elements you want. And it's early South Park, so South Park has, they're still making South Park stuff. So this is like from early on. The gift that keeps on giving. Yeah, but it's not really updated with the latest characters, of course, but it has the original characters in it. So going back in time, JR, you know, up in Maine, I basically kept saying, anybody got one? Anybody got one that's 20 years ago? And he says, well, I got one. It's, you know, it's a good player's game, but, you know, you can make it something nice if you put some time into it. It's like, okay. So I went up there, middle of the night. He had it on consignment somewhere at this guy's game room store. I think Joe Bob's Welding and Game Repair or something. Joe's Lobster Pound and Fish Emporium plus arcade. Yeah, plus arcade. Bait store and sushi shop. I don't know. So in the middle of the night, kind of sketchy area. We're getting out of the car. We see this guy walking down the street. Looks like, is this guy going to try to mug us or something? Let's get in this shop. He met the guy in there. Showed us the game. In the game, you know, the play field looked really nice. It definitely needed good cleaning up. You know, the cabinet on it, it had some striations, or as some people would call, a little bit of planking on the left side. A little bit of paint missing, a little bit here and there on the front. Let me stop you. Is it painted or is it a detail? Painted. Oh, okay. This is back in, as far as I know, I'm pretty sure it's painted because the planking or whatever kind of comes through on the left side and on the right cabinet head. But the left cabinet head side is good and the right side of the game is good. So it's really weird. You figure all one side should be kind of planking. Right, if it was in the sun or it was exposed to people or whatever, you know. Well, typically what causes planking in my knowledge of it, if you stored the game in a basement next to a cement wall that's kind of lets moisture in, the moisture is going to hit the side of the game and cause some wood planking. But it doesn't explain why the head that side didn't get the same thing. So I don't understand. And the head folds down. It's not a takeoff head. It's a fold down. And it's a Sega game. Sega and Stern and Sega were the same company, but Sega was the owner of the late 90s stuff until Stern took over for real in 2000. But the same board set as Stern and that kind of thing. So I said, okay, good enough. I can make do with this thing. My client, you know, he wants a nice South Park playing. He's not going to care too much about, you know, a little bit of slight planking on the cabinet. Who cares? You don't play the paint on the cabinet. Between two games, you don't see it anyway, so what's the difference? Exactly. Who cares, you know? And so I did a little bit of touch up on it here and there just to kind of make it a little bit better. And it was fine. The play field was immaculate. I mean, the play field in these games, especially now, I'm trying to find a South Park now. It's what I'm hearing from. I'll tell you, I'll tell you about that in a minute. But from what I'm hearing is that these games got played to death on location, even just to this day. No, they were probably huge earners at the time. And so how many do you think survived the look of your game? And I invite, again, everybody to go out and look at the game on YouTube. I mean, it looks brand new. Dr. Dave's Pinball Restoration is on YouTube. That's the channel. Yeah, it looks brand new. I mean, these playfills are usually worn to crap. There's a little Mr. Hankey. It's a piece of poo with arms and a Santa hat that pops out of the toilet in the back there. And he goes, hi-dee-ho, you know. Plumber son, remember? I thought that was pretty cool. There you go. So usually his arms are broken off. His arms are intact. The toilet bowl is usually cracked. That's all good. So this thing had low plays. It just might have been stored improperly. So I'm guessing those parts are not available. Don't think they are. If they are, you're going to pay up. You're going to pay up, I think. Okay. So this game is like, it's worth it. It's worth, you know, on, you know, if you look for a restored one of these, I don't know, anywhere from $5,000 to $8,000 maybe, you know, something like that. And so I said, well, what's a good price on this? I mean, I went through that. So basically, I went to this, let's go back in time some more. So I shopped out the game really well. I put it, drove it to the site, got paid by her. She loves the game. I had it for years, moved, wanted me to go to the house and move it one time about 10 years ago, moved to the new location out in Newton, and set it up there. It's set up all by itself in a nice finished game room, so she didn't mind that the side cabinet was a little bit of planky. She doesn't care. She just loved the game. So then she called me recently and said, hey, the kids have flown the coop, an empty nest, and I love the game, but I just want to move it on. I can't believe this boomerang's back to you. All the time. Customers are so good to you. They're very nice. Well, nice to them. They're nice to me. Well, think about it, though. It's like selling a used car. Do you want to deal with, and we're not going to talk about cars today, but, you know, do you want to deal with the general public? They call you one phone call. You make a competitive offer. You go and pick it up. Right. I can pick it up. I'm not casing the joint. I'm not saying, hey, nice jewelry you got here. You're a known entity. Exactly. They're going to be a safe transaction. It's going to be no BS. I'm going to get it out of there safely. Pay your cash if you want. So, you know, I didn't offer retail money for it. I had to put something in. So I offered, you know, a fair price for me and a fair price for her. And she had one other person interested, but they kind of ghosted her. It's like, well, come on over and get it. That's a fair enough price. I'll take it. So there's enough left on the log for me to chew on, you know, to make this happen. So my friend Dave, Dave and Gene, but Dave, he has one of those stair climber things, the Joe Bob stair climber thing, not the Escalera or whatever that's called. This one's like $1,500, $1,800 you can buy, and it has like a tractor treads on it, so it goes upstairs really nice, and it's a really nice unit. John Day bought one too, but he bought the cheaper model, like I think it's like maybe $800 less, but he had to do a lot of work on it to custom tailor it to make it work. Dave said, screw it, I want to buy it all shrink-wrapped, good and done. He paid the money to have somebody else make it all nice. So I got to use the deluxe model. So Dave came with me, you know, God bless, a real nice guy. He said, you know, I'll help you out. I'll get that game out of that basement because it's in a bulkhead. So we met at my house. He brought his truck and everything, and we went in there. I brought my special scissor jack thing I made to lift the game up and down so nobody hurt their back at all. Got it on that, strapped it on, up the stairs he went. It doesn't go that well over grass, and it was a rainy day, so I brought my two-wheeler, two-wheeler in the truck, boom, done. Got it back here. Spent like two days on it here. Just give it, well, maybe, no, maybe more, maybe more of a day. Not really, no, not two, not a day. The game was still clean. We just, I just actually went and gave it like a mini day spa, oh, maybe three years ago. And I swear she might have put 10 plays on it since then. It still had the beautiful clean rubber on it. The rubber wasn't even dirty. I just basically, like, it was still gorgeous. Like, I just, like, oh, who worked in this game? Oh, I did. That's right. It's still nice. And she didn't even play it much. So it was perfect. So I just had to basically wipe it down, clean a little bit of rubber. The flipper rebuilds are still good. Everything's still fresh. I put Envy Ram in it from before. That was good. So the game was good to go. So now I think, OK, Pintast, I'm sorry, Pinfest. I get the pins mixed up. Pinfest is coming up. So originally I was going to bring it to free play and, you know, get in the show and, you know, get in the show early on Thursday, do the thing. But I'm thinking about it. It's like, you know, no, that's too nice a game to do that. Exactly. Not there. No, no, not there. That that pretty much there. You're going to get tire kickers. You put it on for, you know, I would be worried about somebody abusing the game. Well, abusing the game and playing the crap out of it. And then, you know, and then we're going to come to that in a little bit. I'm going to break the rules. But OK, continue. So so so this thing out on pin side. And you got some traction, right? I did. Well, first of all, I did register the game to go to the show. And then last minute thinking about it, I'm thinking like, what am I crazy? What am I saving, $40 by bringing it to the show? And I'm going to have to re-shop this game out when I'm done. I'm going to get some tire kicker that's going to offer me a Grand Ford or something stupid. Not worth it. Not the game to bring to that show. No, it's too perfect. So I said, you know, I'm just going to pre-sell it for the show. So huge Pinfest thread. As every year, just thousands of posts. People swap meeting like crazy. Pictures are incredible. Yeah, I put a nice picture. People are, like, loving it, you know? And I put more detail. I have a new phone, so the phone was acting weird. So I said I didn't include some of the cabinet sides. I put the cabinet sides on there, and then I put my video on there, and the video actually explains everything in detail. There's some striations. I didn't say planking. Striation sounds like a better word. On the cabinet here and there, but it presents well. Well, it's, you know, it was in a high-end home for years and they didn't mind it. You know, they love the game. So, but I think when it comes down to it, my clientele is different than selling to a collector. Selling to a collector, they're a lot more picky about stupid crap and they're like cheaper. They're cheap and they're picky. So, two bad combinations. That's not much it. Yeah, two bad combinations. It's usually not my go-to, you know, unless I'm really looking at it. It's the right audience because you know somebody out there is a fan and will want that game. So how many people did you get to respond to this? So I got like four people responded. I think one guy was from Canada. You know, I put it at a reasonable $4,700. I thought in the $4,000 range, $4,700 is the right price for that game for what it is. It's the only thing, it would be more in the 5,000s. I told these people, if the cabinet was totally perfect, mint graphics on it, you're talking in the 5,000s or 6,000s for this game. Right, but to get there, it's a lot of work and it's worth it for you. But if you're a collector, you take the game apart and you ship the cabinet out, or you just ship the whole game and they do accordingly. You just spray it and correct it. Well, I found where, if I was going to do it, I found a place called Retro Refurbs in overseas somewhere in Europe, Netherlands, Robert Englunds, I don't know where it is, but it's $200 for this nice sticker set for decals. But you have to, like, sand the whole cabinet down, take the plate without. Oh, no, there's a lot of work there. Oh, 40 hours. It's not worth it for you. You're turning the game. Exactly. And I don't know anything other than what I looked up before the show, and that is a more than reasonable price. Yeah, I know. And so I got some people saying, well, what's your bottom line on the game? It's like $4,700. That's the bottom line. Take it or leave it. I'm not going down. I can sell to my own clientele by Christmas and it'll be up $1,000. You just need to broadcast it. Look, your game is going to get lost in the pin side thread because there's just so much stuff out there. Ah, speaking of lost in the pin side thread, let me go with this thing. So finally, I get this guy, you know, after a couple of hem and hawks from other people, like, well, let me think about it. I don't know. This guy says, I'll take it. Oh, OK. I'm not going to mention anybody's name, but think Sesame Street. Anyway. I know who it is because he responded to one of my ads. Okay, okay. For Pin Fest. I put something out there. We'll talk about that in a little bit. Okay, so Mr. Sesame Street, so I'm saying, okay, you know, a day, two days are going on, you want the game. I need a deposit. I need a $500 deposit. I get other people interested in the game. They're kicking the tires and so forth. Right now I put the game as pending. For several days, and now it's getting lost in the shovel. All the stuff's being... Well, that's what I'm saying. Once you get a couple of more pages in... It's lost. It seems like nobody goes back. They don't go back. Nope, they don't go back. So I told them, I said, you know, I need to get... Let's get traction. I said, okay, I'm busy with work and this and that, but I'll get it done tonight. So he Venmo'd me. 500 bucks. Bing. Cool. Okay, good. Done deal. I'll get this thing ready. I shrink-wrapped the game up. It's all shrink-wrapped. It's good to go. And then two hours later, late at night, he says, oh, I hate to be that guy, but, you know, the cabinet on. You are that guy. The cabinet on is not really what I wanted. I'm really into cosmetics and it's not going to work for me. It's like, oh. So I said, okay, here's my situation, guys. It's like now that I put it on the unavailable list, the other people probably have taken off and not, they've already made other arrangements. They forgot about my game. I held it for you. So I said, what's fair? I'm thinking I hold back. I'll give you some money back, but I'm holding back 200 bucks. But I said, you know, I'm thinking I'll hold back 200 bucks, but what's fair? I could take the whole thing. Right. But, you know, he's on pin side. Exactly. You know, you'll just get a spear through the heart. Exactly. It's not worth it. So I said, so what I did is I said, I put on him, what do you think is fair? What's fair to you? Oh, my entire deposit back. Okay. For me, I would have said, you know, keep 100 or keep 50 or keep whatever. I would have said, you know, something like that just for your troubles, you know. But so, you know, he said, oh, sorry about that. And it's like, okay, well, it's like they left a bad taste in my mouth. So now it's like, okay, now I've got to regroup. Now I've got to say, okay, let me go reach out to the three people who wanted it. Hey, it just became back on the available list. And I'm thinking, this is just like when you sell a house back on market. Why is it back on market? What failed? The inspection failed? The Title V failed? What's wrong with this game? He's telling me truthfully what the guy said, and that's it. It's like, look, I disclosed it. I don't know why he's got such a thing. I totally disclosed this. I don't know why it's coming at me at the 13th hour when I disclosed it. He said you didn't disclose it. He said, well, you didn't disclose it. I was like, I did. I saw it before. Stop. I think someone, I think, I think one of his friends or somebody, hey, dude, you know, that cabinet has some blah, blah, blah. I think he got people talking to him in his ear. He said, oh, yeah. Again, I'm going to sell the game for you right now. Have you sold it? Hold on. I got something for that, George. Well, I'm wondering if I've got to put my sales hat on. Hold on a second. Here's what it is right now. Charlie in the box. It's been a long time, Kringle. I haven't seen you since the night of the big storm. Yes, the same night you broke your promise to Rudolph. Look, I'm sorry we couldn't find you a home. Tom, you're a misfit. A misfit. With some clerical error mislabels a Jack in the Box. Don't change his name, though. Just banish him for life. Oh, it's so easy for you to sit there and judge. You don't know what I have to compete with between Walmart and Amazon.com. Try to see the big action. Nobody. So basically, nobody wants a Charlie in the Box, George. Look. At least nobody on King's side. I'm going to sell the game. Go ahead. If I were looking for this game or I knew somebody who was looking for this game and they're a super fan, you're not going to find this game anywhere else. If you need to take it to the next level, spend the whatever money it is to redo the cabinet, which I would say is a fool's errand. But that's me. Yeah, I'm not going to do that. I don't have the affinity for this game, but I think it's a cool-looking game, and I was dumbfounded when I looked at it. I'm like, wow, this thing looks like it just came out of the box. Exactly, exactly. It had all new clear rubber on it. Hold your... I'm holding it. Oh, I am. This reminds me of several years ago on Pinside when I list a beautiful Addams Family that I did up, I wanted a good amount of money for it, and I got people trashing me and this and that. I forgot you can actually. Then I told them they said that worth less than you asking Just for Monday morning quarterbacking me guys suck So then someone came and said I give you your asking And they did So basically I said well I got my money for it So, guys, you're all wrong. Screw you. So that's what it comes down to. It's like just, I don't know. You've got to find the right person. Right. And you're broadcasting when there's a billion messages. So wait till things calm down. I know you want to sell it. No, no, I don't care. I'm waiting for my pitch. I don't mind keeping it $10,000 by Christmas. You know what I mean? I don't care. So let's move on from this. I see this. I don't even know where the hell I saw it. Did you send it to me? Well, one thing more, my clients will pay for this game. I was trying to give the collecting community and pin side and bring it to the Allentown show to kind of get rid of it quick and move it on and give somebody a good deal. But since they don't want that, then it's going to go up in price and it's going to go to a regular client. So whatever. So let's talk about what you did sell. I saw – was it a – What didn't I sell? What didn't I sell, George? Well, wait. I'm going to ask a handful of questions. So I saw that you sold a Knight Rider, an 8-Ball Deluxe, and you sold your $6 million man? Those are the playfields. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not games. Oh, I thought they were games. Oh, no, no, no. OK. Well, I see the names. I don't know. I didn't see Playfield. I saw that. OK, now let's move on. So you're looking for something else and you can tell me about all the other crap you sold. But I see this other post in the pin side thread. You're looking for a Jaws L.E.? I am. And I'll tell you why. My friend out in Cape Cod. Yes. Well, where? Which one? No genius. You know, where else would you be selling it? Yeah, exactly. You're not selling it in the Mojave Desert. No, no. I'm not selling it in Podunk, Jupiter, Florida. You're not selling it in Podunk, Iowa. You know, there aren't sharks in the cornfields. I get it. Yeah, yeah. No, none of that. So this guy, this is Tacoma from, where is he? Monster's Vineyard. I worked in this Godzilla. Oh, no, no. You talked about this guy. This is the guy who builds pools? Pools. He's a pool guy. Yeah. Yeah, well, he's got really nice games. Yeah, well, he has nice game. He's got a Godzilla. Oh. That's all he's got. Oh. Oh, I thought he had games. No, I have another customer there who has games. He's got nice games. He's got about, I don't know, 10. Confusing the two. Yeah. So, I mean, the plan was actually to go back there early this spring this year, I think, or the last year. No, I think this year. But, you know, they got lots of shuffle, people, whatever. They said, OK, they're good for now with games, whatever they're doing. And I just heard from him recently say, hey, I'm still looking for a Jaws LE. If you can find one, you know, I'll give it. That's got to be a tough one. It is a tough one. No one wants to freaking part with them. I don't know. The newest, latest, shiniest object will come out. Somebody will unload it. I'll tell you why. The premium is a pretty close example to an LE, except the premium has a crappy back glass. The back glass is stupid. And the LE has a real glass back glass and it's got some other powder coated armor stuff and, you know, has all this extra bling on it. Only a thousand made. So I said I keep my eye out for him to get. That's why I put it on on there on the on the Pintastic thread. I mean, I keep saying Pintastic. Pinfest. They got to change the name. You know, you're getting me in trouble. I know. Sorry. You know, I should just call the Allentown Show. I'm going to say the Allentown Show. I wish it was the Pinball Wizards Convention. I'm leaving it to later. We will talk about it. I'm not going to be a hypocrite. I know, I know. I just wish the Allentown Show was the Pinball Wizards Convention because that's easy to remember. I like the Pinball Wizards Convention. I even had the hat from that. I can't find it. I had a nice ball cap with a wizard on it. You know, that was a great name. Not confusing at all. Okay, so what else did you sell? Hold on, I think I might have sold my Stinkray mouse pee-laden playfield that nobody wants. I think I got a guy in the line that says, hey, you still have the Stinkray playfield? I'm going to say, yes, I do, right now. Stink and all. Well, it actually doesn't stink anymore. I even gave it a good round of Magic Eraser and whatever. I scrubbed and scrubbed that thing still. I'm ready to get out the belt sander at this point. I think it's in the wood big time. So I basically said to people, make an offer. I got nobody making an offer. Now, this guy, he's going to come by. He's from Pinside. He's going to come by. Hey, I'm in Connecticut. I can come by your place tomorrow, Sunday, and don't call it to the show. It's like, sounds good to me. Does he know that it smells like mouse piss? No, it does not smell. Hold on. It does not smell like mouse piss. Oh. It does not smell. No. Okay. We already have the smell. It doesn't smell at all. It just looks bad. It has, you know, brown, blackish stains that you have to sand out. He saw pictures. I put pictures out there. Everybody knows. Maybe he wants a wall hang. Yeah, maybe he does. I mean, it's a shame to throw it out, you know. So I'm waiting to see what's going to offer for it, you know. So he's going to come by tomorrow. He's going to pick up the Knight Rider Playfield, $16 Man Playfield, and the Stink Ray. Oh, he's already bought the other stuff. He did. Oh, okay. So this is number three. This is just add one to the pile. Yeah, and he's going to come by with some cash. I was going to say, if he's making a trip just for that hunk of firewood. No, no, no, no, no. Can we talk about firewood real quick? Sure. What's this brown log pinball thing? Okay, so that's interesting. I saw Eric, let's give a context. Eric Stern. Might as well be Eric Stern. Eric Stone was wearing a brown log pinball shirt, and there is a Twitch site, but there's nothing on it. What is it? It is a guy, it's this guy who he hangs out with, I forget the guy's name. How much does Eric get paid to wear the t-shirt? He doesn't get paid. Basically, this guy has his own Twitch channel. It's Brown Log Twitch channel. And he goes around and records Eric in different tournaments. And he follows Eric around and basically shows Eric for being Eric and doing Eric things. And that's how it was, you know, so he says Twitch channel. So let's call him Brown Log Twitch channel. So after the show, after the recent show we just had here, Eric said, hey, are you available Sunday? We want to come by and look at your games. And I said, well, I'm kind of tired, but yeah, okay, come on by. So him, his friend Craig, and I wish I remember the guy's name. Hey, Maureen. The guy with the crazy hair that was with Eric. What's his name? Steve Ritchie. Yeah, he could be Steve Ritchie's son. So Steve Ritchie's son was over here with the brown log pinball. And so he kept recording different things of me talking to Eric. His name is Enil. What's it? What is it called? Enil? Yeah. Enil. I think so. Not Millennial? No, not Millennial, and Enil. That's what he thinks. I-L-A. Yeah, it's like a foreign name, but he speaks English. So he's recording him, and Eric's just going down my whole lineup, again, blowing up my games, taking my high scores like he always does. He goes, what else you got here? I said, well, I can play this game. I'll kick it. So I had him all say, hey, try out my Star Trek Next Gen that I just finished up. He freaking blew that game up. He's like got the, I don't know, several billion on it. And so they recorded that. I had to give 10 cracks for the high score. So he's like, wow. I said, yeah, it's clapping for you, Eric. You've got the high score on it. So, yeah, the record, that's been on Twitch now. So Twitch is showing on there. And me talking with him and me showing him. So this Brown Log Pinball has your games? My stuff. Yeah. You can see my stuff. I'll have to have a look again. Okay. So another plug. Okay. Yeah. You can see Eric playing the stuff and me showing off by Superman Playfields and all that good stuff. I'm going to come back to Eric in a little bit. We'll talk about this. Hey, hold on. I got to ring the sales bell. The Stink Ray has now been sold. He said, what do you want for it? I said, how's Ray? How's. I said, how's 50 bucks? He said, you got it. I said, all right. Oh, my God. Sold. Come on. You continue to hold the basket. So you didn't take this. This one was real close. You didn't take it. And I understand why. Which one? Early in the morning. Which one? Don't you remember I sent that email to you early in the morning to you and John about the freebie? Oh, my God. What a piece of crap that was. What are you going to be kidding me? I have enough to do. That's a charming box. I saw it. I said it's close. I said it's free. I said maybe they want it. Talk about misleading advertising. Free nine ball. If it came with the free part, if it came with all the bags of parts, that would be worth it. But somebody is going to reconstruct that, I guess, from Connecticut. Anyway, if you see today, I'm still hitting on games. Two games for sale at Allentown. A Nitro Ground Shaker and a Future Spa for $1,600 each one. The Ground Shaker looked like a pretty good game. Not one of my favorites. I wouldn't buy it. But it looked like a pretty good game for the money. The Future Spa, top looked great. The cabinet, as you can probably imagine. They're always faded. They're always like, no, no. And that's, you know, a project for those who, you know, want a nice looking game. But those don't come, well, I own Ground Shakers. But future spas you don't see come up too often. I owned them, both of them, years ago. I own a lot more. But then I thinned the herd out. It's like, you know, Natural Ground Shaker, kind of boring. I don't like it. No, I don't like that. That game is... It's your typical Bally from 1980. Bally, 1980. And Fugitive Spa is a good game, but I don't like the theme. You know what? Fugitive Spa is a good game to play in a tournament. I like to play in that in a tournament, but I don't want to own it. Right. I don't like the whole spa. It's like a wide... It's a wide-body Fonzie 8-ball. That's what it is. A wide-body Fonzie 8-ball. You know, I've got a bunch of wide-bodies, so it would be a good game, but I don't know. Just never... Never grabbed me. Wow, I'm clicking stuff off the list here. So $1,600, you said, for PinFest. Yeah, it's on that PinFest thread. Okay. I got other stuff, but I'm sure you have other stuff, too. I got other stuff. I can, let's see. Well, how much time do we have? Well, it said you're running out of time, but I don't know where the little clock is on this one. I just upgraded to Windows 11, unfortunately, so I could do my taxes because TurboTax. I said, okay, let's do taxes now. At least I'm a week ahead. Let's do that. Oh, no. You have Windows 10. I'm sorry. You need to upgrade to Windows 11. So then I had to upgrade Windows 11. Then I had to back up all my stuff. So all this crap to do, I had to do my taxes. It took me three days. Why do you think I didn't call you? Good idea. That was a week before. I said, you know what he's doing, right? I go, yeah, right up until midnight. Anyway, so you don't have a timer now, so we have no idea where we are. I don't know where a little timer is. It did say you're running out of time. We'd like to upgrade. It's like, hell no. Oh, hello. I got my timer. Timer remaining five minutes. There he is. I found it. So can you tell a five-minute story, and I guess we're going to come back, and we'll talk about some of it. I've got plenty of other stuff. I'm sure you do, too. Well, should I talk about the $6 million man thing? No, I think you saved that one. I will save that one. Because that's going to take a few minutes to unfold. Yeah, there's a lot of cool stuff with that one. It's also, like I said, I don't want to be a hypocrite. Right, right, right. Okay. When did we last record? I'm just looking back at my little history here. When did we do the last time? Do you remember? Any idea? No. Oh, we published. What did you publish it? Oh, that's part of the story, too. March? We published on the 31st of March. Okay. So there we go. So now I know. But remember that date because that became. Oh, I know. The day they'll live in infamy. That became. Yeah. That became something. There's some things to unpack. Oh, there is. So I only have like four minutes. Yeah, four minutes. I have a list of stuff on my list. Okay, let's see here. So I guess what did I do here? Oh, did I do that? What did I do? Picked up a South Park. Oh, I worked on a Twilight Zone, did a day spa. I just saw one of those for sale. I was always under the impression they went for more money. Me too. This one looked pretty good and it was under $8,000. I saw that on Pinfest and the thread, and it's like, that's way too cheap. But, you know, you're wondering, you see, they basically, they color puke the hell out of the LEDs on that, the blue. So it's like, I've seen some of these games, and they just say, oh, it's all LED'd up, so they spend all their time LED-ing, but look under the hood, what's it look like? Because to do that game the right way, you need a lot of time to dial things in. I mean, I just did another Twilight Zone recently that took me two days, and I need to do a third day on that one. So, again, it's a game not for, well, it's for everybody, but you become a fixture at the home of someone who doesn't know how to use a screwdriver and a multimeter. Yeah. Would that be accurate? Pretty much. The guy I was looking at when I was working, he said, wow, there's a lot of stuff in this. Yeah, you don't even know how much stuff in this thing. They threw everything at this. For a lifetime of service. Well, I mean, that's why I charge what I charge and I do what I do because, you know, I say you're not going to be seeing me anytime soon after I'm done here. You know, the caveat saying it's still a metal ball flying around a playfield, anything can happen, but I'm going to mitigate that and kind of minimize any kind of problems with, you know, I'm going to try to fix everything I see. So he was happy. I'm going to go back. I still got to fix the clock on this game and I got to get the gumballs and put them into the gumball machine. Pinball Life sells the gumballs for these things. It's great. Yeah, you did talk about this in our last show briefly, I think. Yeah, I've done several Twilight Zones now. Okay. You've done several of a lot of things. And Pinball Life actually is really, you know, hats off to them because, let's see if I have time here. Oh, two minutes. I looked so I'm looking through the stuff. You know, a lot of times I don't really, you know, shame on me. So when I get stuff in, I don't have time to unpack. It's like, OK, it's good. I don't need to look at it. It's fine. And then I open it up one day. It's like, hey, there's only one package of Twilight Zone gumballs in here. I know I order more than that. If I'm going to order one, I'm going to order four. I'm not going to order one because I have I have two of my own Twilight Zones. Plus, I have plenty of Twilight Zone people that want that want the game. So I used the one already about a month ago. And I want them for this one in Newton I just worked on. It's like, where are they? So I said, I know. I looked at my little receipt and it said, for ordered. So I contacted Margaret over from the live. I said, hey, you know, I know it's two months after the fact, but, you know, I just opened the box up. Yeah, but you're a big customer. I mean, come on. Exactly. So that's what she knows. And she said, no problem, sir. We're sending you out three right away right now. No questions asked. You know, you do a lot of business with them. You're just not going to call to rip them off for three bags. Exactly. I mean, come on. Exactly. And that's what they realize. It's good. I mean, I spend so much business practice. Unfortunately, that's not practiced by a lot of companies anymore. It's not. Talk about the car. I just got. I just did a whole detail. No, no, no car talk. No car talk. It's like, boy, oh, boy. It's so hard. I give out really good service what I do, and I sweat the details. I want to give a good product. And it aggravates you when you're not treated properly. Yes. Hello. Yeah. Welcome to my world. Exactly. I give it out. I want to get it back. And it's like it's rare. It's rare. Yep. Very. Like a steak. Like a what? Like a steak. Yes. I think you did there. Nice job. We are under one minute right now. Okay. So let's cut here. You're going to come back and we're going to talk about the show. All right. Sounds good. I'll be polite. Okay. That was polite the last time. I know. We're just going to bring everybody up to speed, and I'm not going to be a hypocrite. I said that three times then. Right, right. I think we get it. So be forewarned, folks. Okay. Gripping drama coming up, maybe, or maybe not so gripping. I don't know. We'll see. Yeah, a little bit. A little bit. I wouldn't be me if I didn't do that. Right. Stay tuned. Insane, bad. We're back. I want to thank our audience for the last couple of months. Our numbers have been incredible. And I want to thank all our new listeners, those who might have come to us in the last couple of months or over the last year. Thanks for listening. I really appreciate it. I've got some news around that in a second, but I wanted to do the mea culpa, which is I stated that I would no longer talk about Pintastic. I kind of jumped the gun So we are going to talk about it And the reasoning behind it is Dave got a say in the show He actually went to the show so he can talk about his experiences I unfortunately did not, but I do have some comments. So with that said, Dave, I'll let you kind of fill in the blanks because I think the audience is probably perplexed that you were there, but there was no explanation in our last episode. Yes? Yeah. Yep. So quick and easy. We're not going to belabor points on this. Yeah. I'm not going to go. Take the facts and move on. Yeah. I'm not going to go too drama thing on it. But I came to kind of an agreement, you know, that basically I would bring one of my, you know, sweet restored games for Extra Ball Lounge, the Velcrope section where I don't want to put it in general population. I want to put it somewhere with Gabe's games, you know. So there's another guy there that brings his restored EM in with the games games and also Brian Soares brings his two customs in there as well. So I figured I was in good company. So I said, OK, I want I want that. And I will take that that press pass that was offered. I'll take that, too. So, you know, so we'll get in for we'll get in the show with the one press pass and one one game to bring in. And along with these, and they agreed. When we did arrive there, I didn't know what to expect because, you know, I didn't, first of all, I had no idea, reading on Pinside, how much reach our show has. I thought we're just this little show with a little niche audience of, I don't know, like 10 people watching or listening. It's like, I didn't know that people came up to me and were saying, oh, I'm glad you're showing, I'm glad you brought this game. Well, there's a couple of specific people. You probably don't recognize who they are. One wants to meet you. Okay. So you don't know what I'm talking about. No, no, no. Continue with your story and I'm going to pull up the email. Okay. So, oh, that was Coulson. Coulson, that one? That's one of the people. Okay, yeah, so he actually, he met me, he came over inside the Extra Ball Lounge and he said, oh, awesome game, you know, and I'm so glad you came. And, you know, I think at one point, he said, I think you blocked me years ago on Pinside because he said he was kind of an asshole years ago. And it's like, yeah, yeah, I probably blocked because you were an asshole. He says, you know, but I'm not now or something. It's like, okay, he seemed cool. He reminded me a lot of Bill Morrison. He's thinking of a very Bill Morrison-ish. So I'm going to read, Jiggs, thanks for defending us. I sent him a personal note. Yeah, that was very nice of him, yes. But this is the response from this Colson D3. He said, Dave and George are good guys, and I think myself and numerous people certainly respect and appreciate everything they've put into helping the show over the years. And they are certainly entitled to their perspective. So I'm going to chime in. I'm not going to continue to read, but you get the essence of the email. I offered criticism on how I was treated. I didn't insult. I wasn't derogatory or demeaning to Gabe or his show. I just presented the facts. So you were also encountered by Gabe. I don't want to steal the story if you were going there. So continue. So when I first got in the show, I'm about to bring the game in. You know, several of the people that that run the show came up to me and shook my hand. Oh, nice to see you here. Shook my hand. It's like they're very welcoming. They're very welcoming that I'm there. And it's like, wow, this is cool because, you know, there was some stuff thrown around, you know, from, you know, some hard feelings thrown around. And so, you know, that was nice that I got a warm reception because I wasn't sure what to expect. And then at one point, you know, I'm helping, you know, Pinnovators do their thing and set up a little bit of talking to them. And Gabe came in the room and said, hey, can I talk with you a second? And I said, sure. So, you know, he talked with me and he said that, you know, that we hurt his feelings, this and that. And I said, well, that makes three of us because we got our feelings hurt, too, dude. And this is why. So we kind of rehashed out back and forth, you know, in a nice way, you know, as adults. And, you know, kind of came to an arrangement and so forth. And, you know, kind of moving on like that, you know, going forward and so forth. So. So that's that, you know. Well, wait, he called me. Oh, I'm sorry, sorry. Then I said to him, I said, you know, I kind of get where you're coming from, Gabe, and I'm glad you kind of get where we're coming from, too. But you know who really needs to hear from you because you're supposed to call him and you never got a phone call. And I didn't really get a phone call either, even though he said, well, you have my number. It's like, I don't have your number. I looked at my phone. I don't have your number. Well, I do now. You do now. I do, too, now. Right. So I said, well, let me call George. I said, well, call him now. Here's his number. Now, I knew, it was like 730 at night. George, you're at night-night time. You cannot reach George after, I don't know, six. No, I'm on shutdown. I don't want to talk to anybody. Exactly. Call me in the morning. Right. You're a morning guy. You're definitely a morning guy. You're not night-night. But I don't even look at my phone. My phone was being charged. Okay. Right. Well, that's what I figured. I figured you can try calling now, but good luck. So it was ringing, ringing, ringing, and it's like he's not answering. It's like, yeah, it's hard to reach midnight. You're best off hitting first thing in the morning. Tell you what, you know, so then next morning I texted Gabe. It's like at 8 o'clock. It's like, are you going to call? You should call George. All right, I'll call him now. So I think it was 8 o'clock or 730. So that's when he called you. No, he didn't call me until 11, and I didn't call him because I was doing something around the house. I didn't have my phone. So here's how I'm going to end this. We had a civil discourse. We heard each other out. But I will say the following. There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine, and the whole darn truth. Do you solemnly swear to tell truth, all truth, and nothing but the truth? Why don't you answer him? He's talking big Latin, I don't know what he's saying. He's asking you if you swear. No, but I know all the words. He's asking you if you'll swear to tell the truth. Truth is stranger than fiction, Judgey Wudgy. Kindly address this court as your honor and take the oath. Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth holds without help but the truth? Slightly. What am I going to lose? But now the story is out in the open. I will say it again and always extend the invitation. You're more than welcome, Gabe, to come on any time. If you disagree with what we're saying, we'll have a conversation. If you agree, perhaps you'll come on in the spring. Yeah. Well, there you go. That'd be fun. Be an interesting show. You would have to say that and make me laugh. Okay. Continue with your story. All right. So Gerard. Gerard's the one. He came up to me and said, oh, thanks for coming and bringing the game. He's like, really strong handshake. It's like, wow, that's really cool of him, you know. And then other people there, too. You know, there was no weird stuff. Right, but I want to get to your $6 million man. Okay, okay. So that had a crap load of plays. Yes. You got a lot of positive feedback. Yeah, yeah. So I saw people, so it's in with Gabe's games, and everybody wants to play, you know, Gabe's pimped out games. He has all the ramp games there. And they said, I was talking to Brian McCauley, who basically said, I said, I'm bringing the game, where can I put it? Oh, there's four rooms full of Gabe's stuff in the Extra Ball Lounge. You can pick a room. I made some space here and there for you. See, I didn't know that. I always thought it was that one room, if you're going down the hallway on the left-hand side. No, now it's four. There's four rooms. So we need more room for people like me to bring special consideration stuff. Not anybody can get in these rooms. I understand that, but I only thought it was one room. Right. Well, four rooms, four small rooms. So I went into a couple of them and said, okay, way too noisy here, way too noisy there. And then like the three bears, this room is just right. All the games are kind of turned down, kind of quiet. There was dim lighting in this room. The other rooms had bright light and loud, not my thing at all for my game. This room here had a spot for me all the way in the back in the corner, so it could just shine there in the corner by itself. The lighting was great. The sounds were down. And in fact, my game could be heard over the ramp games, which was great. I mean, I didn't even crank it up. I just had it at the same level I have at home. I didn't crank it up. And one guy was playing the game. It's like, well, you can hear your game over everything else. It's like, well, it is a good classic game. You want to hear the bloop, bloop, bleep, bleeps, don't you? So I saw people playing it and playing. I kept checking in the game. It was always being played constantly. It was never not being played. So did you have any issues? No issues. But in fact, I zambonied the game twice because I want to keep it super nice. So I went and I cleaned the play field at about 200 plays in, cleaned the rubber and, you know, a couple of lights were a little flickery, fixed the lights and a couple of flickers or whatever. So I always kept it in pristine shape and they were always like, wow, wow, wow. Now, and some of the people I, when I said, hey, if you're almost done with that, I want to go, I need to open the glass for something. It's like, oh, you're Dr. Dave. I love you and George's podcast. I kept hearing about the podcast. They love our podcast, love my YouTube channel, love my work. I kept hearing a lot of that. A lot of people, and they'd quote, hello, Dave, hello, George. I got a lot of that. So bringing the game actually brought me a lot of joy by getting some notoriety and some attaboys to these fans. So our podcast fans were there in force playing the game as well as fans of my work. So that was very nice to see. So I told you this, but the audience has not heard this. I pitched you hard and fast to Gabe. And I said, you need to do yourself a favor from here on in and extend an invitation to Dave to bring one of his games. It will not only do you well, it will do the show well. What do you say to that? He didn't say much because he knew I was right. Right. I still think with Gabe, Gabe is kind of myopic on games that he likes. He's definitely Mr. Ramper. He likes that 90s and 2000s. Some people like peanut butter. Some people like jelly. Some people like Fluff and Nutter, whatever, or Nutella. I guess that's the newest thing. Or what are people putting avocados with peanut butter now, probably. God, I hope not. Anyway. But I will say the proof's in the pudding. Which game was being played constantly? My $6 million man. It stands out. It's different. Which one of these, right? What's the Sesame Street or what was it? One of these things is not like the other. That one. Yeah, right. Yeah. Was that Sesame Street? Or ABC Rocks or whatever it was. Hey, Maureen. Where's that from? One of these things not like the other. I think it's Sesame Street. Whatever. Old school, not today's crappy Sesame Street. It sticks out. Anyway, so that's that. Remember I put in the belt-sanded supersonic playfield I listed on Pinside? I listed a bunch of playfield. No, I did not see that. You thought they were real games, but I listed the Stink Ray and Six Million Dollar Man, Eight Bone Deluxe. What's the other one? Oh, Night Riding. I think back to the playfields I threw away. You shouldn't have. People want these. They were horrible. They don't care. 20-something years later, yeah. Yeah. So this one here. So the last one that no one was actually wanted, it was a partially populated supersonic that looks like someone took a belt sander to. And I said put it on. Did it have the target bank on it? It has a target bank on it, but not quite complete. It has about eight. So you rated it already. Okay. No, no. Well, no. Someone else did. I bought it. I got it like that. I didn't know where I got this from. I got this from somebody somewhere. I don't know. Okay. So it was partially rated, but there's like eight coils on it that are good. There's three pop-upers that are good. I've got boxes. You know that. I'm like you trying to sell stuff, and I'm getting crickets. So I could have. I'm looking at the game. So the guys asked me. So I said, hey, you're going to come get these three playfields anyway Sunday. How would you like a nice belt-scented supersonic with a partially populated play field? Oh, let me think about it. So as he's thinking about it, I went down and looked at the play field. It's like, wow, this has coils on it. I'm thinking about maybe I should take that back because I actually could park this out. I could take these coils for myself, put them in stock. I could do all the stuff. It's like, yeah, it takes effort. I already have coils. Do I need any more? I don't know. I got a box of them. I'm going to use them. I don't know where. A lot of them are like bumper ones. Yeah, bumper ones, right. I got bumper ones. How many of those do you need? Right. Once a year, I might need one. You know, and I see a lot of games. So I should be going through more. Why do you think you and me and a half a billion other people that are going to the Allentown show are listing stuff to get rid of it? It's just it's a yard sale. Let's just say it's like there's just money sitting there. Maybe somebody can use it. I'm trying to sell some solenoid driver boards. Your friend Dave is getting a box full of stuff from me. You've got to be the courier. Which one? Dave? Which Dave? Golden. Okay. Oh, really? What's he want from you? I said I had some boards. I don't know. I must have posted it somewhere or I said something to somebody. Maybe I said it in the last podcast. I don't even remember. But he was like, hey, you know, he raised his hand. I'm like, okay. That's cool. I'm never going to repair. And there's some good stuff there, you know, if you want to repair stuff. So this guy here, he basically just said, you know, about the belt stand, he said, I can do $1.25 on it. It's like, yeah. How much? $125. Oh, my God. Take it and run. Exactly. That's what I'm thinking. Like, fuck it. Why am I going to freaking fuck with that? I'm going to say, sounds good. So I'm going to be getting a nice $400, crisp $100 bills tomorrow for playfields I don't need and taking up my space. Goodbye. Then I cannot believe, during the whole Convid era of those, the Convid times, everybody's in a mask and taking various concoctions in their arm. Over those years, I worked on a crapload of Williams games from that time frame. I don't like Williams boards from that time frame. The Williams boards suck. They don't label any components on their boards. If you wanted to fix them, you've got to look it up, and they're not reliable. They're not like a Bally board or a Stern board. They're junk. People don't want that stuff either. No, they do. I've got people that want it, but not all of it. I have two Stern Solanoid driving boards out there for cheap. What's cheap? How much? One without the caps on just $10. The other one's $25. But non-working? They need work? Non-working. Okay. Yeah. They don't want them. Right. Well, that's what I'm saying. I'd rather give them to somebody. Right. So the ones that I – so those are serviceable most of the time. These Williams ones from System 3 through 6, like Firepower, Gorgar, those games, right? I cannot believe how many boards I've accumulated over the years. I just keep stocking away, stocking away, replacing with good stuff. I think I have like, I don't know, 30 sets of this. Right, but that's what people do now because you're like, okay, unreliable board from 40 years ago, $150. It's not a big stretch. Right. Unless you have some hunk of crap where it's not worth it, but those are falling by the wayside. As time goes on, only the really decent games are going to survive. I mean, they're the ones that are worth it. This here, that's a list of parts and people I'm bringing. Oh, my God. It's a full page. Yeah, you've been busy. Hey, go ahead. I'll tell you. So I added up, oh, and I actually, I sold the last of my Stink Ray pinball machines. I had three of them. Oh, you told me what was being done to them. Well, one. You don't say who. Well, one of them, the really stinky one, that one went to our friend, Scott. Right. And he made a quicksilver out of that. He's making three quicksilvers, and then the next one. Barn Scott. Yeah, Barn Scott. He bought another Stingray from me, you know, for what he needed in there. He paid me, you know, fair money for it. I got enough money that's fine with me. I think he had a good deal I hope And he going to make that into a Dragon Fist He trying to build his own Stern collection from scratch So he made a Quicksilver. He's going to make a Stargazer. He's going to make a Dragon Fist. So he needs these Stern games that nobody wants. I say, OK, here. So the last thing I had, and I put it out there on the Pinfest thread, I said, here, make your own Mint, Great Stingray. I have a beautiful restoration candidate. The cabinet's nice. The back glass is nice. Even the playfield's nice. And then I have a Newell Stock clear-coated by Bill Davis playfield to go with it and a BG Resto back glass to go with it. For $4,500, make your own gorgeous game. And I got crickets. Crickets. I said, okay, let's regroup. I know. So what I did. Where that game gets money, we've talked about this before, is you go to Florida, Miami specifically, where all the new money is, and you sell it there because it's got the underwater theme. Done. Yeah, it has to be a coastal place like that. Exactly. No, a coastal place with money. Money. You have a coastal place. Cape Cod, too. I know. So there you go. Yeah. I know, but it's like I just I'm just sick of the game. I just want to get it. I get it. So so finally, so someone I found the one guy who wants a I basically I sold it. I forget about the play field in the back. I said, I have a complete Stern project. Great candidate to make to restore it. And the guy got back to say, oh, does it have is a fully complete? Yes. Does it have all original Stern boards? Yes, it does. And they're clean. I showed him a picture. And I offered him a fair price. I said, how's $1,500? He says, done. I said, great. Here you go. That's a pretty good deal. Yeah, pretty good deal. I'm happy with that, you know. So that's out of here. And I still have the play – I'm going to probably list the playfield and the back glass. I think eBay is probably the best route to get – You just did right now. Okay. A beautiful playfield and back glass. Well, that's what you should use your YouTube channel for. You know, Dave's – here's Dave's – Parts. You know, stores open. Look at the stuff I have. And you put a couple of things out, that would be actually pretty good. You'd probably get people watching that. I could. The thing is, though, my YouTube channel self-populates into my website. So I want real games to come up on the website, not a part. So I have two different channels. I'll put on one of my channels. So basically, I sold, I don't know. Now, when I put those working, fully working driver board CPU combinations out there, I got everybody to say, oh, pick me, take my, for 50 bucks, 50 bucks for a working set of Williams boards. You got rid of a lot of them? A lot of, yeah, all the working ones I got rid of. And then it's okay, how about some non-working ones? I started saying, I started like Allentown Show with the Farmer's Market at the very end of the day. Hey, here we have pineapples, two for a dollar. I was basically doing that. Two for a dollar. Here's five for five dollars. So I basically started saying bargain basement on the rest of this stuff. It's very restorable. It's very fixable. I just don't have the time. I don't want to do it. So I got one guy who's buying a couple hundred bucks for the board and said, I'll take three of those driver boards for 50 bucks. You got it, dude. Here's three drivers for 50 bucks. Three boards. Here you go. Take it. Don't care. Crazy Davey. Even with that, even with all the boards I sold, I probably sold, I don't know, I want to say 20 or 30. I'd say 20 boards probably. Yeah, about 20 boards. I looked at it. I still have a big bin of another, I don't know, 20 that still don't have a home. Our prices are so low. They're insane. Exactly. If you don't have any, do you have more? Because I have something I don't want to forget because it's becoming stale. One more thing. Quick Draw Backglass I got. It's a Shea Backglass, beautiful Backglass. I sold my Quick Draw. I was going to make a nice Quick Draw. Got a Quick Draw, two-player. And then I played it at Dave's house, Dave and Gene's house. And it's like, I'm not motivated to restore this game. It's an okay player. So that proved to me, okay, I don't need this game. You're becoming very picky and selective. I am, because you know why? Because my freaking storage unit is trying to stick it up my butt with pricing. Because corporate America, what do they call it, venture capitalists from California, they're buying up the storage areas over here. They don't care about you. They just want to raise your prices all the time. Do you understand why? Because it's an easy money to me? No. Why? Cash flow. Because these places make cash flow. These places, they're easy. Businesses like that push a lot of cash through them, and that's really good for corporate America. That's really good for a stock price if it's publicly owned. People look at throughput. It shows that your business is either growing or contracting, and you compare it to unsold or unrented units a month. There's a formula. They still suck. I still hate mom and pop. Yeah, I'm not apologizing for them. You're right, because I was in that predicament before I left, and now it's like I have plenty of storage space, so I'm good. Not like you. You're crazy. I'm crazy. I've got like 47 games in there, all heated storage. I've got a pretty good deal on it for years, and I pay a year up front, and they give me a 13-month free, and I wouldn't raise my rate for two years in a row, three years in a row. Time to start selling, Dave. Oh, believe me, that's what I've been doing. I've been selling. You're getting there. Okay. I got three stingrays are gone. Bye-bye. Okay. So I wanted to acknowledge one of our listeners. You know, people, I don't get many emails, but this is one he wanted to chime in on. So this is from Ben. It says, Hi, George, just listened to your latest podcast. Great show as usual. Kudos to you and Dave for not letting the people run Pintastic take the advantage of you. Oh, I forgot that he said that, but thank you. You didn't ask for it, but here's my top 10 list for games made from 1980 to 1984 in reverse order. Okay, you can comment accordingly. Be nice to Ben. I'll be nice to Ben. I'll try. Number 10, Black Hole. That's number 10. Okay, yeah, I can see it. Number 9. I don't like this one. Haunted House. No, I'd say Great Looker and not a good player. Right, right. Number eight, Black Knight. Yes. No, I'd say no. I know we disagreed on when we did it. These three games were everywhere back in the day. Frontier. No. I say yes. You said no. No. Medusa. I don't think either one. No. I sold mine. Well, we're not being nice to them. No, because I don't like this extra third flipper you got to do. No, but we've talked about all these games before. I just want two flippers. I don't need an extra thing to do. He knew this before. Yeah. And he knew what we're. Yeah, we're not yes men. We're just. You're getting honest feedback. Right. That's. Do you want. Here. This is perfect. Okay. Criticism. The expression of disapproval of someone or something based on perceived faults or mistakes. Okay. Fine. Yeah. There you go. Bingo. Get the boy a cigar. Right. Not insulting. Right. Not demeaning. Right. Not derogatory. Right. Not disparaging. Yep. Anyway, we're not done. Okay. Only played these two recently, but would have to own either one of them. Number five, Centaur. I agree. Number four, Fathom. I agree. Okay. Maybe not in that order, but I agree they should be on the list. Okay. Sure. Yeah, okay. I'll go with that. Okay, number three, Flash Gordon. I'd go with that. I'm wondering where his Sterns are, though. Where's his classic Sterns in this mix? Well, guess what? There aren't any. Number two, 8-Ball Deluxe. Yeah, that's a good choice. Number one. Okay. One more time. What's left? Number one. What's left that's any good at this point? Okay. You're going to hate this. Let me guess. It's going to be, I hate it. I'll give you a clue. Yeah. It's a Bally SS from 1980 on. Mystic. No. Nightmare Groundshaker. What? Skateball? No. He already listed Fathom. Skateball's a poor man's Fathom. Just two of the best pinball machines ever made regardless of the era. That was Flash Gordon and 8-Ball. So, Skateball, the back glass art with the badass van puts this game over the top. Plus, Dave is restoring one for me, so I have to rank it number one. Oh, this is the guy in Texas. This is the guy in Texas. Oh, whoops, sorry. You know what I'm going to do for him, though? I'm going to do a special restoration room. What am I going to do? I didn't set you up. You set me up. That's all right. I copied this from a couple weeks ago and just tucked it away and said, I'll read it on the air. You know what I'm going to do? Special restoration for him. On the back glass in the van, I'm going to write in free lollipops. What do you think? Okay. So, Ben. Dave is going to make it up to you. I'll make sure of it because he's going to be within striking distance. He's going to be at my house in a little over a week. And I want to record Dave and I. We haven't done an old school episode in a while because we don't live near each other any longer. So you and I are going to do an episode on skateboard. All right. Sure. Yeah, that's good. Sounds good to me. Okay? Let's do it. So then you can say how much better Ben's game is going to be than the one, than my game, even though it's a pretty decent game. I will say a little a mea culpa. For 1980 Bally's, which they did not make very many good 1980 Bally's, I will give Skateball, Flash Gordon, Xenon, and Rolling Stones. And I think that's about it for 1980. Ballets are any good, as far as I can remember. Frontier, it's okay. I mean, it's good in a tournament, but I had two beautiful ones I sold off. We did. Stop. Every time you say that, it's like you're putting a stake through my heart. You had a beautiful game. Two of them. You sold them. Yes. You got good money for it back, but now. Back then. Now it's worth your money. It would even be crazier. Oh, yeah. Because those are so nice. Anyway, what else you got? What else do you got? Oh, the quick draw. So basically the quick draw backlash I had, I actually sold that to a guy, you know, a little less than I paid for, but I just want to go to a good home. So he's going to, he paid by check, so I'm going to be bringing that with me. I'm going to meet a guy, Steve, who, he has a van down by the river. Oh, wait, no, he doesn't. No, Steve. Oh, we've got to talk about this. A van down by the river? I've got to interrupt. It's pretty close. Okay. You never talked – we never talked about your stay at the Airbnb on the podcast down in Connecticut. Oh, yeah. It's kind of like a van, right? Yeah, it's like a van. Yeah. Kind of. Yeah. Yeah, that's the old Silver Ball Mania situation down in Podunk, Like Connecticut. Forget about the Silverwood Mania and everything else. Just describe the place you stayed at. So picture, if you will, a, what do they call that? A bolt-on. A bolt-on, what is that called? Double-wide. Yeah, a double wide or a single wide bolted onto a small house and kind of glued together and looks like a 1950s kind of single wide. Roll house? Something. And it's all by itself, but it's right near Foxwoods. So I think people that want to do maybe a cheap Airbnb and don't want to pay the thing and they want to do some gambling, maybe they'd stay there. But the big thing the guy wanted because he wanted this pinball machine sells the place. So, you know, we finally got there. They bought this game. Oh, my God. They bought this game from some guy from Buffalo who, again, loves these LEDs. The LEDs from like 10 years ago that were junk. So there's so many junk LEDs in this game. So I basically got rid of those. I found his original problem with the game. Well, I wasn't running right because someone lost the original out hole switch actuator. And they put in some kind of bent piece of paperclip metal or some crap. And it was stuck and not working right. It's like, well, okay, there's your problem there. Again, Paraply is a low torch kind of guy working this game. So I fixed that, fixed it with the part of the game. And so originally we talked to these people and said, oh, you can – because they said, well, I don't know what I'm going to get involved with. It might be a one- or two-day day spa. I don't know what needs boards or connectors. And it's a long ride. Oh, you can stay at our Airbnb. It's in there. It's like, okay, cool. So we packed the car and packed all our stuff and our things to go and blankets and all that stuff. We show up there and we open the door. It's like, I kind of smell like, you know, oil, like, like oil, oil fuel, like a oil burner, a little of that going on. I don't like that too much. We go into the rest of the house and it's kind of dark and kind of, I don't know. I just like, oh, the shower. I said, where's the shower and bathroom in here? I couldn't find it in this small place. I finally found it. You basically, it's like a tuna fish can. It's like a shower on a boat. It's like a boat shower on a boat at the end of the trailer. It's like, I'm not going to take a shower in here. I'm laughing because I looked at a motorhome yesterday. I forget the reason. The size of the shower was 27 inches by 27 inches. That's about right. I don't know if I could sit in that. Right. You won't be able to turn around. So I'd probably have to soak the thing up to get in there. I think you'd have to wash your front, step out, turn around, go in your back and wash your back. Oh, my God. Did you stay? God, no. No. I basically said, Maureen, we are going to get this thing done today. Tonight, we are out of here. So we worked like two weeks. Two or three hours straight, and I said, we are not staying. Janice reminded me, she goes, did you ever get the story out of Dave about the place in Connecticut? I go, no. I go, I knew this was going to be good. This is a gem. Oh, yeah. It's like, no. And Maureen said, I'm not staying. It's like, I don't blame you. I'm not staying either. We're going to get this done. You and I are going to make this happen. So we did. I think, I believe you said to me, Airbnb is no longer. Yeah, I'm a little bit jaundiced or a little, I don't know, gun shy on that a little bit after this one. I don't know. So I had done them before, though. I did one in Boston that worked out pretty well. You know, they had a game there that was in, you know, Brownstone down there years ago. But, yeah, the good thing is I said, okay, it's late at night. Now it's like, you know, we've got to go home. It's like 9 o'clock at night, so now we're going to drive home. We're hungry. Well, what's near there? Well, I'm not going to go to Foxwood. I was thinking like, hey, here's an idea. What if we made some good money at the place where we worked in the game with parts and everything else? What if we actually went to Foxwoods, we gambled, won it big, just kept playing roulette and kept doubling down on red or black, won like a couple grand, stay in the executive suite, the presidential suite at the top there, make a weekend out of it. By winning so much money, then I said, nah, it's a pipe dream. That ain't happening. We're just going to lose money. I was going to say, and then you woke up? I'm going to be pissed off, tired, and then we're going to drive home. You both looked at your side and said, nah. That's only in the movie that's going to happen. So, no, instead, we found a really good restaurant, five minutes away, Italian restaurant, really good food, really good garlic bread. Okay, they're galloping gourmand. Yes. We found an awesome place. And so we finished that, got out of there around 10 o'clock, drove home, got home around 1130, and called it done. Called it a day. Okay. I know we're running out of time. How much time's left? I didn't get a warning yet. Let's go see where we're at here. Let's see. Where are we? Where are you? Hello. Oh, we are running out of time. Less than a minute. Okay. Okay, so I was going to ask you about expectations, but the next time I will see you, we'll be at Pinfest, and that should be a really good show afterward, because we're both going to be there. Yes. And, I don't know, I've got more stuff, but we'll talk about it in the next show. Sounds good. See you, everybody. More stories. Same bad time, same bad channel, people. See you, George. Bye. Bye-bye. Well, it looks as if our time has just about run out. Just enough left to tell him who the sponsor was. Who do you call when you want your pinball machine restored? Dr. Dave! Who? Dave, D-A-V-E, yeah, Dave. Dave, right. George, you don't know what you're saying. You're under their control. George, we've had it with you. Say no rodeo, bro, Dad. Hasta la vista, baby.

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