# Ep 90 - That Is Some Ouija Board BS

**Source:** Special When Lit  
**Type:** podcast_episode  
**Published:** 2022-12-22  
**Duration:** 46m 43s  
**Beat:** Pinball

**URL:** https://specialwhenlitpinballpodcast.com/ep-90-that-is-some-ouija-board-bs

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## Analysis

Episode 90 of Special When Lit marks the podcast's return after nearly three years (1,028 days since Episode 89). Hosts Ken Cromwell, Bill Webb, and Steve Edie discuss their personal collecting journeys, Ken's new role in marketing at Jersey Jack Pinball, the show's new direction emphasizing nostalgia and retro content via a 'Retro Roundup' segment, and play their classic 'Drain It or Save It' segment about arcade room aesthetics.

### Key Claims

- [HIGH] Special When Lit went 1,028 days (nearly 3 years) between episodes 89 and 90 — _Ken Cromwell, opening segment: 'It has been 1,028 days since the last time we uploaded an episode'_
- [HIGH] Ken Cromwell took a job in marketing and communications at Jersey Jack Pinball — _Ken Cromwell: 'So working for Jersey Jack Pinball in marketing and communications. So I had to step aside from TPN.'_
- [HIGH] Ken went from Special When Lit to TPN (The Pinball Show) with Zach and Dennis Creasel before joining Jersey Jack — _Ken Cromwell: 'I went on with TPN with Zach and Dennis Creasel for the pinball show. At that point, I had gotten a job in the industry, right?'_
- [HIGH] Bill's collection has shifted heavily toward classic A-titles like Medieval Madness, Monster Bash, Twilight Zone, and Circus Voltaire — _Bill Webb: 'A lot of the stuff that we would dream of back in the day... I'd love to have a Medieval Madness or I'd love to have a Monster Bash or I'd love to have Circus Voltaire'_
- [HIGH] Bill Webb sold a Circus Voltaire and bought a replacement within 12 hours in panic mode — _Bill: 'Circus Voltaire goes up... Facebook Marketplace... And then 12 hours later, it's sold. And then 12 hours after that, I had my next one lined up'_
- [HIGH] The new Circus Voltaire has purple powder coat, color DMD, and purple neon — _Bill: 'This one's a little cooler because it's got purple powder coat and a color DMD... And a purple neon, and it looks more evil than the example that I had.'_
- [HIGH] The last in-person pinball show before the pandemic was Louisville Arcade Expo in early March 2020 — _Ken: 'we finished in February of... This was 2020. ...of 20. And literally March of 20 was when lockdown happened... It was the beginning of March 2020. Beginning of March? Yeah, it was like March 3rd or 7th.'_
- [HIGH] Scared Stiff's true wizard mode is the spider segments in the backbox, not the stiff meter — _Steve Edie: 'a lot of people think once they complete the stiff meter that that's the uh the wizard mode in the game but actually it's it's the spider segments that are in the back box'_
- [HIGH] Special When Lit had an 88-week consecutive episode streak before taking a break for Episode 89 — _Ken: 'I remember at one point, right, we had the longest consecutive streak of Pinball Podcasts. I think it went to 88 consecutive weeks.'_
- [HIGH] The show plans to release episodes approximately every three weeks rather than weekly — _Ken: 'So the goal is going to be to get an episode out, I would say, every three weeks or so.'_

### Notable Quotes

> "If I were to wake up tomorrow morning with my head sewn to the carpet, I would not be any more surprised than I am right now."
> — **Ken Cromwell**, ~0:45
> _Opening joke about the shock of returning to the podcast after 3 years_

> "It has been 1,028 days since the last time we uploaded an episode, which is episode 89 of Special When Lit."
> — **Ken Cromwell**, ~1:30
> _Establishes the exceptional hiatus length and marks a major milestone_

> "We took a week off and we recorded 89. So we had the Cal Ripken streak of podcasts."
> — **Ken Cromwell**, ~2:15
> _References their impressive 88-week consecutive episode streak before the break_

> "Bill's never done. Listen, and I think that's an interesting topic, right? with pinball you don't necessarily need to fulfill a collection and be done."
> — **Steve Edie**, ~13:00
> _Discusses the rotating collection philosophy core to the podcast's collecting culture_

> "I'm a motivated seller most of the time. I'm not going to put myself in a position where I'm getting taken advantage of, but it's like I like that quick sale."
> — **Bill Webb**, ~16:45
> _Explains the psychology behind his frequent buying and selling of machines_

> "It's not professional, and it doesn't really make any sense. But we've got an exciting direction in which we want to take the show, which still has pinball as the main focus."
> — **Ken Cromwell**, ~5:30
> _Addresses his professional constraints as Jersey Jack employee and the show's new direction_

> "It's what everybody's here to listen to, and that's what we want to talk about. But is it all about pinball? Some of our best episodes that we ever had... weren't about the pinball itself. It was about people having relatability."
> — **Ken Cromwell**, ~29:00
> _Explains the philosophy behind the new 'Retro Roundup' segment and show direction_

> "when the stupid money is listed and the game is taken right away, you're like, it wasn't stupid enough."
> — **Bill Webb**, ~15:00
> _Humorous reflection on aggressive pricing psychology in collector market_

> "I blacked out for two and a half, three years. So I remember that last show... Louisville was the last show before there were no pinball shows for a couple years, actually."
> — **Steve Edie**, ~22:30
> _Emphasizes the pandemic's impact on the pinball community and their final in-person event_

> "Episode 89, my son was four months old. He is now three."
> — **Ken Cromwell**, ~25:00
> _Personal marker of time passage, illustrating the significance of the 3-year hiatus_

### Entities

| Name | Type | Context |
|------|------|---------|
| Ken Cromwell | person | Co-host of Special When Lit, now works in marketing and communications at Jersey Jack Pinball. Previously worked with TPN (The Pinball Show). |
| Bill Webb | person | Co-host of Special When Lit. Active pinball collector with rotating collection focused on classic A-titles. Recently purchased and sold Circus Voltaire and Demolition Man. |
| Steve Edie | person | Co-host of Special When Lit. Involved with Flippin' Out Pinball streaming. Pinball collector interested in Papaduke games and Theater of Magic. |
| Special When Lit Pinball Podcast | organization | Long-running pinball podcast hosted by Ken Cromwell, Bill Webb, and Steve Edie. Returning after 1,028-day hiatus. Plans to shift toward nostalgia/retro content with new 'Retro Roundup' segment. |
| Jersey Jack Pinball | company | Pinball manufacturer where Ken Cromwell now works in marketing. Also produces their own podcast. |
| Flippin' Out Pinball | company | Pinball sales, distribution, and streaming company. Steve Edie involved with their Monday night streams at 7 PM Central. Courtney Bowman streams with them. |
| The Pinball Show (TPN) | media | Pinball podcast/media where Ken Cromwell worked with Zach and Dennis Creasel before joining Jersey Jack Pinball. |
| Louisville Arcade Expo | event | Last major pinball show the hosts attended before pandemic lockdown (early March 2020). Featured Stranger Things announcements. |
| Courtney Bowman | person | Streamer/content creator involved with Flippin' Out Pinball. Recently completed Circus Voltaire on stream. |
| Crystal Gemnick | person | Works with Ken Cromwell at Jersey Jack Pinball. Attended Louisville Arcade Expo with the hosts in March 2020. |
| Chris Grosvenor | person | Attended Louisville Arcade Expo with the hosts in March 2020. His wife (Crystal) also attended. |
| Zach | person | Co-host/co-founder of The Pinball Show (TPN) with Dennis Creasel where Ken Cromwell previously worked. |
| Dennis Creasel | person | Co-host of The Pinball Show (TPN) alongside Zach, worked with Ken Cromwell. |
| Stranger Things (pinball) | game | Announced at Louisville Arcade Expo in March 2020; was a major theme announcement at that show. |
| Twilight Zone | game | Classic pinball machine by Pat Lawler. Bill Webb owns one and plans to add PinSound board with Pink Floyd music mix. High-value collector game. |
| Scared Stiff | game | Classic pinball machine. Bill Webb wants to own one. True wizard mode involves completing spider segments in backbox, not the stiff meter. |
| Circus Voltaire | game | Papaduke-era pinball machine. Bill Webb sold one in 12 hours and immediately purchased another (purple powder coat, color DMD version). Steve Edie interested in owning one. |
| Medieval Madness | game | Classic A-title pinball machine. Bill Webb owns one and considers it similar to Attack from Mars. Part of his upgraded collection. |
| Attack from Mars | game | Classic pinball machine Bill Webb briefly owned but found too similar to Medieval Madness, leading to regret. |
| Fishtales | game | Classic pinball game recently re-acquired by Bill Webb after being restored by Steve Edie. Steve had previously had a poor-condition example. |
| Pat Lawler | person | Legendary pinball designer of Twilight Zone. Ken Cromwell is a self-described big fan. |
| Demolition Man | game | Pinball machine Bill Webb sold without seeing ending/wizard mode, later bought back from Steve Edie to complete the game before reselling. |
| Theater of Magic | game | Papaduke-era pinball machine owned by Steve Edie as part of his collection. |
| PinSound | product | Aftermarket audio board that allows modification of music, callouts, and sound mix in older pinball machines. Ken Cromwell used it for Pink Floyd remix on Twilight Zone. |

### Topics

- **Primary:** Special When Lit return and podcast hiatus, Ken Cromwell's new role at Jersey Jack Pinball, Show direction and 'Retro Roundup' segment introduction, Collector dynamics and rotating collections, Bill Webb's collection evolution and recent acquisitions, Pinball game evaluations and wisdom on machines (Scared Stiff, Circus Voltaire, Twilight Zone)
- **Secondary:** COVID-19 pandemic impact on pinball community and shows, Louisville Arcade Expo 2020, Game room design (black light carpeting)

### Sentiment

**Positive** (0.82) — Hosts express genuine joy at returning to the podcast, nostalgia about shared memories, enthusiasm about the show's new direction, and passion for their collecting hobby. Light-hearted banter and humor throughout. Reflective tone about pandemic's impact but hopeful about the future.

### Signals

- **[personnel_signal]** Ken Cromwell transitioned from podcast hosting/TPN media work to marketing and communications role at Jersey Jack Pinball, necessitating his step back from general pinball coverage (confidence: high) — Ken: 'So working for Jersey Jack Pinball in marketing and communications. So I had to step aside from TPN. I still do the Jersey Jack Pinball podcast.'
- **[content_signal]** Special When Lit podcast returns after 1,028-day hiatus with new direction emphasizing nostalgia and retro content via 'Retro Roundup' segment (confidence: high) — Ken: 'we're going to be talking about what was going on in December of 1992. That's 30 years ago... in a new segment that we want to introduce called Retro Roundup'
- **[collector_signal]** Bill Webb demonstrates aggressive rotating collection strategy, upgrading from lower-tier machines to classic A-titles (Medieval Madness, Twilight Zone, Circus Voltaire). Motivated seller buying/selling at rapid pace (confidence: high) — Bill describing selling Circus Voltaire for 'stupid money' and immediately purchasing replacement within 12 hours; discusses shift from games like Cactus Jacks to high-value titles
- **[community_signal]** Special When Lit represents long-form pinball podcast culture emphasizing personal stories, nostalgia, and community relationships over pure game coverage (confidence: high) — Ken: 'Some of our best episodes... weren't about the pinball itself. It was about people having relatability to growing up in a certain time'
- **[event_signal]** Louisville Arcade Expo (March 2020) marked the last major pinball show before pandemic lockdown halted industry events for extended period (confidence: high) — Ken: 'It was the beginning of March 2020. Beginning of March? Yeah, it was like March 3rd or 7th... And literally March of 20 was when lockdown happened.'
- **[gameplay_signal]** Scared Stiff's true wizard mode involves completing spider multiball segments in backbox, not the commonly misconceived stiff meter completion (confidence: high) — Steve: 'a lot of people think once they complete the stiff meter that that's the uh the wizard mode in the game but actually it's it's the spider segments that are in the back box'
- **[market_signal]** Rapid collector transactions at premium pricing observed (Circus Voltaire sold within 12 hours at 'stupid money' price); suggests strong demand for quality examples of classic machines (confidence: high) — Bill: 'When the stupid money is listed and the game is taken right away, you're like, it wasn't stupid enough... 12 hours'
- **[product_concern]** Circus Voltaire commonly affected by ghosting insert issues, described as accepted product-of-era manufacturing limitation (confidence: medium) — Ken: 'that game was prone to ghosting inserts, if I remember correctly. Yes, big time. And it was just kind of something that was accepted usually when you're kind of creating that game.'
- **[technology_signal]** PinSound board enabling audio customization on classic machines gaining traction among enthusiasts; Ken experimented with Pink Floyd remix for Twilight Zone (confidence: medium) — Ken: 'This isn't like a paid promotion for the product. But you can put this board in these older games... I did a whole Pink Floyd mix on my Twilight Zone'
- **[sentiment_shift]** Hosts' collecting philosophy emphasizes appreciation of same game multiple times rather than one-time completion, reflecting matured understanding of collector satisfaction (confidence: high) — Steve: 'with pinball you don't necessarily need to fulfill a collection and be done you've said it just like i've done in the past i will buy the same game two three times'
- **[business_signal]** Multiple pinball media outlets (Special When Lit, TPN, Jersey Jack Podcast, Flippin' Out) operating with overlapping talent, suggesting fragmented media landscape (confidence: medium) — Ken worked with TPN, then Jersey Jack Podcast, then returned to Special When Lit; Steve involved with Flippin' Out streaming
- **[industry_signal]** COVID-19 lockdown (March 2020) abruptly halted pinball show circuit; Louisville Arcade Expo marked last event before extended industry shutdown (confidence: high) — Ken: 'literally the world changed overnight... the last show before there were no pinball shows for a couple years, actually'

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## Transcript

 coming at you out of st charles illinois the special when lit pinball podcast starts now hey what's going on pinball and welcome to episode 90 that's nine zero of the special when lit pinball podcast my name is ken cromwell i am bill webb and with us today steve edie what's up edie hey what's going on boys i'll tell you what bill if i were to wake up tomorrow morning with my head sewn to the carpet, I would not be any more surprised than I am right now. Absolutely not. I mean, how many days has it been now? It has been 1,028 days since the last time we uploaded an episode, which is episode 89 of Special When Lit. This would be episode 90, right, gents? This is episode 90. Ooh, congrats to you guys. Hey, getting it done. Hey, we may have been a little late, but it's all good. I remember at one point, right, we had the longest consecutive streak of Pinball Podcasts. I think it went to 88 consecutive weeks. That was impressive. We took a week off and we recorded 89. So we had the Cal Ripken streak of podcasts. Now we have the longest deficit, longest break between episodes to my awareness, about almost three years for episodes. Yeah. And I'll tell you, it feels good to be back in these seats looking at you guys. I mean, I remember we hang out all the time. Right. So it's not that I'm not used to seeing you guys regularly, but with headphones on and microphones on and getting back into the special one lit vibe. It's amazing. Thank you guys for joining me today. And I'm happy to be here. so this is going to be a fun one. Same here, man. Looking for good. It's going to be good times. I left off in the streaming land with you boys. Yes. We were doing Flippin' Out Pinball. Correct. And that kind of went the way of the wind, too, at least with you, Ken. But, yeah, it's good to be here with you boys. Well, we had a little pause, so especially when it stopped, you jumped on TPN, and then you surprisingly got a job in the industry, so your dynamics in life have shifted. Yes, a little bit. You know, after about six months of lockdown, Steve and I picked up with Flippin' Out Pinball streaming, and then Courtney Bowman joined us, and we've been doing that ever since. It's so nostalgic sitting at this bar doing this again. Studio C is back. It's live on the air, right? How fun is that? And literally the last time we recorded, these wreaths were up. Yeah, we've got the Christmas wreaths up in Studio C, which go to the left and right of the video monitor that we used to have as a backdrop. My favorite part of the garage, by the way. Yeah, you know, I was thinking about keeping these wreaths up all year round. One, I love Christmas, but two, it adds a nice little vibe to the garage, so I do dig it. Just crazy. So definitely, definitely a lot of things have changed. You've taken on a new role in pinball. I think most people know, but you are marketing at Jersey Jack Pinball. Yeah, yeah. So essentially when we ended the podcast, we were just taking a little bit of break, and then I went on with TPN with Zach and Dennis Creasel for the pinball show. At that point, I had gotten a job in the industry, right? So working for Jersey Jack Pinball in marketing and communications. So I had to step aside from TPN. I still do the Jersey Jack Pinball podcast. I'm trying to get that up more frequently, and now we're kind of back in the driver's seat with Special Inlet. We're going to talk a little bit about the direction of the show here shortly because I think it's important to let everybody know what's happening. Obviously, with my position in the industry, I'm not going to be covering different pinball companies and their products. It's not professional, and it doesn't really make any sense. But we've got an exciting direction in which we want to take the show, which still has pinball as the main focus. But, you know, a couple surprises along the way. Yeah. Looking forward to it. Now, what about you guys? So, and I'm going to go to you in a second, Steve. But, Bill, what's been happening? Real quickly, what's been going on for the last three years? All right. So, literally, I went back through Facebook and I was like, what has happened in three years? You know, let's just go look at my collection. Nice and simple, right? It's three years. It's not like what's happened, like, in the last week. No, no, it's not. Three years. Ken, I had a Cactus Jax, right? I had Getaway. I had Wonka. Bill, if we're going to go through all the games you had over three years. That Cactus Jacks was three years ago already? It's just insane, yeah. Holy smokes. Well, you stepped up your game as somebody that's been doing quite a bit of collecting. I have. Things have changed. A lot of A titles now just because buying and selling and just crazy. A lot of the stuff that we would dream of back in the day of, I'd love to have a Medieval Madness or I'd love to have a Monster Bash or I'd love to have Circus Voltaire, right, which was never high on the list. Twilight Zone. Twilight Zone. You know, we weren't even doing the podcast when I bought the Twilight Zone, I don't think, and still have the Twilight Zone. And, I mean, yeah, it's dynamic. The dynamics of my collection have totally shifted. So, Bill, I did not go through my Facebook page, but I feel like it hasn't changed much, much, much. Yours has kind of scaled down a little bit. Oh, you know, that's a good point. I have dialed back. And I've noticed one thing. I've noticed that your frequency with buying has not completely gone away. It's subsided a little bit. But somebody else's frequency of purchasing over there, Mr. Bill Webb, has gone up. So it's like Steve passed a torch over to you. He kind of did. But you know what the crazy part was? I was picking up my second Circus Voltaire that I've had now. And I was like, you know what? A long time ago, I used to yell at you, right? Because you'd buy a Twilight Zone, sell it. Buy a Twilight Zone, we'd have to carry it back in your house, down your stairs, right? It's before Studio C became the game room. Or Scared Stiff, the extremely nice example you had, which I was scared to touch. But you're like, hey, just help me bring this up. Yeah, no problem. We scratch it and you're screwed. But yeah, whatever. Yeah. And then the other day I went through my collection. I'm like, there's only two games that are down here that I've not owned more than once. I was like, damn, I feel – this is how Ken felt. Yeah, this is exactly how I felt. It's interesting, too, because I went back before we decided that we were going to start getting some new episodes. And there's going to be fresh new content with special and lit that's going to be coming at you throughout the year and going into 2023. One thing that I noticed going back on some of the episodes leading up to our final episode, because I was just trying to get familiar again. I was trying to remember exactly how that vibe felt with the show. So many times you would say that, hey, all I'm going to do is once I get this game, I'm done. I remember I'm done. And then you would get that game and I'd be like, well, you know, now I'm looking for this. Once I get this game, I'm done. And then at some point, there was like this rolling kind of joke for myself where every time you would say it, I'd be extremely amused. And I would start making fun of it. It's like, hey, you're done until when? Next week. But you never really publicly said anything. That was a nice part. I mean, I had a little Easter eggs. I think Bill's done after he gets his attack from Mars. Oh, and then he's done. Of course. Well, no. Bill's never done. Listen, and I think that's an interesting topic, right? with pinball you don't necessarily need to fulfill a collection and be done you've said it just like i've done in the past i will buy the same game two three times and each time you have it you appreciate it for what it offers yes there's no shame in that at all and the rotated collection is exciting to me as i know it is for you guys because you guys are big i don't want to say flippers but buyers and sellers your your collections are rotating uh on a pretty regular basis yeah ever changing i recently just got a fishtails again i've had two uh in the past and i missed it i was specifically looking for a fishtails got it and it hasn't left since so see a fish bill actually did a nice uh shop job on that one i did but you would taunt me with this fishtails because literally when i'd walk into stream i would see this very dull dingy fishtails and you're like yeah one day i'll get to it it was just you know i know but it was like so bothersome to me because I was like, oh, it pissed me off. So literally, I had a lull in pinball and I'm like, Steve, just drop this freaking thing off. You came over and we ripped it, what, 30 minutes? We had the whole topside off? Pretty much, yeah. But yeah, it turned out great. Now I don't have to look at a crappy game. It's real nice. Thank you again for that. Yeah, absolutely. Now, Fishtails is on the list again. I'd like a Fishtails, a getaway, scared stiff to take from ours, but, eh, who's counting? That's your one. And then you're done. You know, and with this episode, Ideally, the plan is to have it out right before Christmas. For those of you that are traveling, you have something to listen to in the car, something to listen to in the holidays going into the new year. Let's say Santa's bringing you a gift this year, and it's one pinball machine. What pinball machine would you like under the tree when you wake up on that morning, and why? So you literally kind of got me on the kick of scared stiff. And I say this because of the fact of Twilight Zone. You were like, Twilight Zone's a great game. I walked past your Twilight Zone a thousand times, right? And then I bought one, and then I was like, okay, I need some work. Can I start a plane? And I'm like, damn, this is actually a good game. And the problem is I won't sell that one unless I got ridiculous money because I'll never get that nice of an example back, right? Sure. So then with the Twilight Zone, from that to another throwback was Baywatch. Bought a Baywatch over summer, had it for a little bit, and I'm like, wow. Baywatch is always fun to own throughout time. You put a Baywatch in your rotation every 18 months or so, it's just fun to own. I could have given 10 minutes before Baywatch was discussed on this podcast. that it's only been like six right now it's it's right it's i love it i love you boys but it's the same but honestly so now you know i don't have a lot of time on scared stiff are the ones that you've had and i haven't seen once now it's like you know i would really like to and that's one i have not owned so that's why the allure for me is such a good game and i'm going to take your word for it and that's why i'm looking for one a lot of people think once they complete the stiff meter that that's the uh the wizard mode in the game but actually it's it's the spider segments that are in the back box uh once you complete all those that gets you into the ultimate wizard mode i've and scared stiff twice or three times for a prolonged amount of times, and I've never gotten that spider multi-ball or that spider wizard mode. So a part of me was tempted to take the glass off and just actuate switches to see it, but that's the allure of me owning it a fourth time. See, I did that with a Demolition Man, right? Like I literally sold one, and I never saw the ending, and it pissed me off. I bought Demo Man back from Steve because I'm like, all right, I'm going to get to this wizard mode, whatever. Finished shopping it out, did a beautiful job, and I was like, you know what? I just want to see this wizard mode right now. Hit everything, saw it all, and I'm like, well, damn, that was the worst shot. I should have never done that. I think I owned it like three months, and I'm like, I don't need this now. I've seen it. But now I've never done that ever again. So that would Scared Stiff be the game that you would want under the tree on Christmas morning? Yes. Okay. What about you, Steve? So surprisingly enough, my pin under the Christmas tree would have been Circus Voltaire until this last Monday when Courtney Bowman basically beat the game on stream. He was very close. And it was impressive. And this is the flipping out pinball stream. This is the flipping out pinball stream, yes. Which is what, Monday nights, 7 o'clock? Monday nights, 7 o'clock central. Yeah, okay. So this game, I mean, it's still an awesome game, but now I don't know if I, it's still so fun. I love the Papaduke games. I own Theater of Magic. I own Toten. Circus would have been next, and I really want a World Cup soccer. So, you know, that's probably on the top of the list still for the most part, but it kind of got brought down a rung or two. Circus is just a pretty game. It's probably one of the most beautiful games ever made. Yeah. I sold mine, and I regretted it instantly because I listed it, you know, as people would say, oh, I listed it for stupid money. And, you know, and I got. When the stupid money is listed and the game is taken right away, you're like, it wasn't stupid enough. 12 hours. Yeah. When it was sold in 12 hours, I was like, oh, hell no. So then literally it was, I literally wanted Attack from Mars, and I'm like, great, now I can actually go after this game, and life is going to be, I'm going to feel whole inside. And then I played, you have one, and I was like, you know what, the game is great, but I really, you know, I have a medieval. So it's like, they're too similar. And I like the call-outs better on medieval, and instantly I had regret. Fair enough. And I was like dude I was on Pinside when we were on stream trying to find another one and I did and locked that deal up on stream So you had your sold for how many hours before you Twelve hours It was sold So Circus Voltaire goes up, Facebook Marketplace, Pinball Enthusiast. Marketplace. Facebook Marketplace. Facebook Marketplace. And then 12 hours later, it's sold. And then 12 hours after that, I had my next one lined up to pick up that. Why did you sell the first one? That's wild. Because I never thought I would get it. And a buddy, two people were actually giving me crap. They're like, dude, you always talk about maybe selling something and going after a tag and serious. How does that happen? Because I'll tell you what happens to me, right? I go in. I have a game, and I always want to price something fair. I'll put it on a Facebook marketplace a couple other places. I put it out there pretty confidently. It's good. And then an hour later, I'm like, why isn't this sold yet? I think I have to drop my price, like $100. I'll drop it $100, and then it's no bites. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, what am I doing? Because I'm looking for that instant sale. I'm usually not looking to get as much as I can. I'm usually selling again because I need to bring something else in. So I'm a motivated seller most of the time. I'm not going to put myself in a position where I'm getting taken advantage of, but it's like I like that quick sale. It's good satisfaction for me. But if you just posted a pin thinking that it would never sell at your asking price and it's gone 12 hours later, you went into panic mode and went out and within 12 hours bought another Circus Voltaire. I did. This one's a little cooler because it's got purple powder coat and a color DMD. Oh, wow. Yeah. And it's a Purdy game. And a purple neon, and it looks more evil than the example that I had. I prefer that purple neon to the blue. So do I. You did well. Yeah. It's got a little more wear. But that's okay. Can't even tell. But Ken can. Ken's going to walk up and be like, oh, hell no. I couldn't know what they got to wear here. Well, I mean, the one thing I remember looking at Circus Voltaire's back in the day is that game was... It's prone to chipping around. Well, that game was prone to ghosting inserts, if I remember correctly. Yes, big time. And it was just kind of something that was accepted usually when you're kind of creating that game. It was just the product of the time. But, yeah, it's a beautiful game without a doubt. Yes, I mean, so those are good Christmas pins. Mine, I think anybody that's followed the podcast knows there are like three or four pins from back in the day that I have always appreciated and loved. I would love to get another Twilight Zone. Another game I've owned three times. I want to get another Twilight Zone. You know what I have at my house? What's that? I'm going to be listing very shortly. What do you have? Twilight Zone Are you in a position to buy a Twilight Zone? You want to trade it for a golden tee Plus cash I would love to get another Twilight Zone And I would put the pin sound in it And I would put my Pink Floyd mix in that thing And I would just play it Because that was a really fun project For those of you that don't know what pin sound is This isn't like a paid promotion for the product But you can put this board in these older games And you can kind of change the audio mix And the call outs and the music And I did a whole Pink Floyd mix on my Twilight Zone which I was concerned about because I'm like, is this going to be kind of slow and put you to sleep? But I think it fit the theme pretty well. I was happy with it. You had people come over that legit hated Twilight Zone. Yeah, 100%. And they were like, this is awesome with the Pink Floyd remake. So much so that they said, literally, if you ever sell this game with this board in it, let us know. Yeah. And they hated the game, which was amazing. And if you don't buy his, dude, if you ever want, you can borrow mine. It's going right there. I'll borrow a Twilight Zone, and I'll put a pin soundboard in it for lending it to me. No, I'm not worried about that. But, dude, you're going to have it three weeks. You're going to get to the Lost in the Zone, and you're going to be like, yeah, this is why. See, it's not about getting to Lost in the Zone, because that's a game where the wizard mode is pretty attainable, right? But it's a deeper pin for its time, I think. You're not going to just get it there all the time. But, I mean, if you're playing that game 20, 30 times in a night, you're probably going to get to Lost in the Zone once or twice. It's fine. Lost in the Zone is fine. I think it's like a 60-second unlimited multi-ball, hit as many switches as you can, and it's good. But I just love the whole vibe about that pin. It's a Pat Lawler pin. You guys know I'm a big fan of Pat. Yep, still one of my favorites of all time. Let's do this. Before we get further into the show, I wanted to talk a little bit about the direction of the show. We were talking earlier how we're not going to be a pinball podcast that's going to be covering pinball news, so to speak. But, I mean, we are going to keep our focus on pinball. It's what everybody's here to listen to, and that's what we want to talk about. But is it all about pinball? Some of our best episodes that we ever had, and some of the ones we got some of the best feedback, weren't about the pinball itself. It was about people having relatability to growing up in a certain time and having the memories that we did and those facets of life. Well, pinball, in my opinion, it weighs very heavy on nostalgia. A lot of these pinball machines that we're playing now, I mean, everybody in this room is in their 30s and 40s. and a lot of the games that we gravitate to back in the day or even the new stuff is something that we reminded ourselves of a time when we were a little bit younger in a more youthful phase, a more free, forgiving phase of life. Yeah, you look at being in a mall. That theme that brings you back. Being in a mall in Florida, being a hot dog stand in Woodville, Illinois, or any of those variables. For sure. So I think a fun approach to a part of the podcast is going to be covering some of this nostalgia, some of this retro stuff that ties into pinball. So, I mean, if you're the type of person that likes to go back in the time machine, go down memory lane. For instance, you know, a little bit later on, we're going to be talking about what was going on in December of 1992. That's 30 years ago, you know, today, essentially, in a new segment that we want to introduce called Retro Roundup. Retro Roundup. Yeah, and it's going to be fun. And that segment is already evolving past this episode, but it's going to bring a little bit of everything that you're familiar with, tie it into some younger times, and also bring it into current times. Definitely. We've put a fair amount of time into this, and it's only grown even more as we've talked about it. I think people are going to be really happy with this. And not to kind of give the crazy teaser, but we've brought somebody aboard to kind of pioneer and run that Retro Roundup segment. Somebody that's pretty well known in the pinball community and other communities. Somebody that we're going to be excited to introduce on episode number 91. Really looking forward to that. Somebody that can draw, surprisingly. I did not know that this person could draw. Oh, yeah. But this person can draw. So we're going to see the evolution of this segment like instantly going into the next episode. As far as frequency of episodes, I know before with Special When Lit, we were doing episodes on a weekly basis. I think it's just fair to kind of set the expectations where although we would love to do this on a weekly basis, we all have obligations. Things are a little bit more busy and complex in our lives these days. So the goal is going to be to get an episode out, I would say, every three weeks or so. Is that too much? Are you out, Steve? I thought it was yearly. I'm out! Right. We're going to try to get an episode out in about another 1,028 days. Yeah. When we're 52, we're going to hopefully hit episode 100. Might take me that long to answer. You know what, though? As crazy as this sounds, episode 89, my son was four months old. He is now three. I mean, that's just crazy. Yeah, that is pretty wild. Yeah, we should just retro round up back to what the heck was going on. So you guys left off. at Louisville Arcade. Louisville was the... Louisville Expo. What do you call it? Yeah, so it was... So you guys left off at Louisville... Right. What's the name of it? Louisville Arcade Expo. Okay. So essentially what happened, right? So we ended. The pandemic was just then. I mean, it had already started, I guess. It was going on, but literally we finished in February of... This was 2020. ...of 20. And literally March of 20 was when lockdown happened. And the last pinball show was Louisville. Which was March. End of March 2020. No, no, no. It was the beginning of March 2020. Beginning of March? Yeah, it was like March 3rd or 7th. TPF was still supposed to happen. Yes. Right. So all three of us, we had stopped the show. Special and lit. We did our episode 89, and then the three of us went down to Louisville, had a great time. Stranger Things was the big thing at the time. And literally the world changed overnight. Well, and again, you're right. I don't want to get into COVID because a lot of me just wants to be past that part of a very complex part. and United States history and everybody that was impacted by COVID, right? But I remember at the time, I mean, that was still in the phase where, like, you know, the fist bump and let's just see what's happening. And, you know, since then it was evident that there were a lot of changes that were going to happen over the course of the next couple years that were going to impact people forever. So, you know, I'm thankful that we're just kind of hanging out, kind of getting back to where we belong, in my opinion, getting these episodes recorded and, you know, putting that part of history behind us. Yeah, it feels good. It was just like I blacked out for two and a half, three years. So I remember that last show. I mean, that was the last show before there were no pinball shows for a couple years, actually. And that was a fun show. I had never been there before. It was different. It was – we were hanging out in the Flippin' Out booth at the time, met a lot of cool people. I remember that there was a cover – there was a band there. They were doing some cover songs, and I think I was tipping the guy in the front like 20 bucks a song to play Stone Temple Pilots. I love Stone Temple Pilots. He was playing plush and sex type thing and all this stuff. And I was like, all right, this is pretty cool. Well, it was. I had a good time. We stayed in an Airbnb in Louisville. Yeah. We were with Crystal, Chris and his wife. Crystal Gemnick. Yes. Who I work with now at Jersey Jack. Yep. Chris Grosvenor. Yep. His wife. Steve, you and myself. Yes. Right. And literally. Man, I forgot we were there. And that was amazing. Yeah. Well, dude, you remember like they busted out some hot peppers and Steve's like, oh, Hell yeah, I'll try this crap. And your mouth was on fire. Do you remember that? Was that the beef jerky or something? What was that? Now it's coming back to me. Yeah, it was beef jerky. That was late at night. Yeah, yeah. You were bringing back these terribly hot pieces of beef jerky. I remember Grossfender was putting them down like they were Cool Ranch Doritos. Yeah. And then at the end of the night, you guys were washing the taste out with Fireball. I'm like, that's not a choice either. That happens. This is the thing. You can tolerate that going in, but there's a whole other episode coming in the morning for you on any hot stuff like that. And when you're washing that down with some fireball, that's a little bit rough. That was a hilarious night. Shame that we didn't get a chance to talk about it. But, I mean, that was a great time, great night, great car ride. You got aggravated because I was driving. Interesting. Go figure that, Bill. Interesting. I remember we... You were like, dude, okay, I remember... No, we weren't driving together, though. We drove separate. I drove with Beattie. Were we trying to follow Bill? We were trying to follow Bill, but unless I was piloting the space shuttle, I was falling behind a little bit. If I was behind you, I stayed behind you just fine. But if I was in front of you, I said, dude, I'm turning the video off. I'm actually going to drive. And that's when you were like, dude, can you slow down? It's an experience. Being tailed by a Bill Webb or trying to tail a Bill Webb. Either or. Two different stories, equally complex. They weren't that terrifying, though. No. Wow. My perspective. Depends on the level of terrifying. So that's where we left off when episode 89 kind of came to a wrap. Yeah, right. We kind of wrapped. Louisville Arcade. So we came back and went into lockdown, and here we are. Yeah, now we're here. Took a big slumber up until today. Why don't we do this? Let's bring something back that's familiar to all the listeners. You guys ready to play a little Drain It or Save It? Yes. Let's do it. It's time for this week's edition of Drain It or Save It. All right, for those of you that don't remember the rules of drain it or save it, each one of us is going to bring up one topic in which we will all pick to drain or save If you drain it it means you don agree with the topic or you don agree with the general conversation that happening about the topic if you save it it means you on board and you ready to accept or or go to bat for that situation make sense absolutely all right so i'll start this one up on drain it or save it here we go guys black light induced glow-in-the-dark carpeting for your game room drain it or save it i'm gonna go to bill drain it because somebody's gonna spill beer and you have to clean it up and That's going to piss me off. Does beer show up under UV lighting? It's going to be sticky, dude. No, hell no. It's going to be sticky anywhere you go. Maybe Bill brings up a good point. I'm going to save it because I think it looks cool as ****. Interesting. Interesting. I'm going to follow up with Steve, but go ahead, Ken. Yeah, I think I'm going to drain it. I'm in the mode now where I like to use something that looks like wood, but isn't actually like some vinyl plank flooring, where I think that UV kind of glow-in-the-dark thing is cool for the arcade and for the game room. It just doesn't appeal to me as much. I like something that looks maybe a little more modern, so I'm going to drain that one. All right, so going back, Steve. So you've seen my crown lighting, right? Yeah, sure. Okay. How it has them all colored? Oh, your crown molding. Yes. So my crown molding is mounted three inches down, and I have LED color-changing lights inside of there. Yeah. So it gives you the same effect without the sticky carpet. Okay. I wouldn't personally have the carpet in my setup, but I think it looks cool. So you're draining carpet all together. I've seen pictures. I think it looks great. I would like to visit somebody's arcade room and check it out. You know what I'm talking about, right? Yeah. I see this installed all the time. I'd have the Blacklight posters up. I mean, it's a totally different vibe. It is. It's like cosmic bowling. You could make it really cool. You've got to have a tron on there. I don't think that it's bad. For my personal take or my personal liking, I wouldn't put it in my game room, but it's not because I know anything that's better than anybody else. That's personal taste. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Just like regular soap. I'll save it for the people that have it. What do you mean? You need regular soap. I don't have regular... What does that even mean? Cinnamon hands. Cinnamon hands. Oh, cinnamon. I thought, all right. I thought you were going Irish Spring or something. No, no, no. Bill, let's hear your train to save it. All right, this is a little simple. It's not as in-depth as Ken's, okay? Do you guys still wear your special and lit t-shirts? Ah, that's a good one. Ken? So, I honestly, I don't. And the reason that I don't is because I wore mine so much that it went out, and we're out of extra large. So I don't have an XL to sign. But it's kind of cool that you mentioned that because some of the other sizes that were still back in stock. And this isn't a sales thing. We're not trying to sell the shirts. But it's funny that you or are we, Bill? I don't know. So reach out. Right. Let me tell you how you can do it. That was pretty nice. My wife and my kids have special shirts that they're wearing because I recently found a box of them. And so, yeah, so they have the shirts on. So I'm vicariously wearing those shirts through them. I'm going to need a medium for my daughter. I will get you a medium before you leave. All right. I literally just looked under my hoodie to see if I had it, because I think I have two. Nice. And they are in my weekly rotation. Ah, see, that's good. Yeah, so I'm saving it. I still do see this shirt on Facebook on occasion. I see somebody wearing them still. I saw a few at Chicago Expo, too. We may have some news on some new updated artwork for those that want to support the show and have some special one-lit gears. We'll talk about that a little bit later. maybe another episode i save it but it's only because my wife is wearing it because it's just now it's it's been washed many times so it's shrunk just enough where it fits her you know what i mean yeah um and i'm a tall guy so i need like extra long t-shirts and those and i didn't have an extra long um so you know through the course of a year or so it shrunk enough and then you know went to the left side and jamie's like oh this is so soft and nice they are soft shirts yeah so save it love it but i can't wear it as much and i can use a couple more larges if there are any in the indoor oh large yeah yeah we have large yeah you're a little tight these days but it's because all that working out you either get on the scale or you see if you fit in your special one lit shirt that's how exactly so okay so my drain it or save it would be sellers that only accept cash on the glass whether they're local or far distance let's say you wanted So they get something shipped, and it's your dream theme. Good deal. You can pay for the shipping, but they'll only accept cash on the glass. Do you run it to save it? I save it. I'm a big proponent. I have another thing to add to that. So Bill only does cash on the glass for the most part, right? Yes. Oh, for the most part. Fair enough. Yeah, I would agree. I save that, too. I think from a buyer and a seller standpoint, the safest transaction is just the cash on the glass. But do your due diligence when you're showing up with cash, because once that cash is on the glass, you walk away with your game, there's really no recourse for you to get your money back. So it's kind of a two-way street. But yeah, no, I save that, fair enough. I drain it. I've sold many games without any issues, knock on wood. I've shipped games, I've accepted PayPal, I've accepted Venmo, I've accepted QuickPay, what be it, but definitely do your due diligence, research your buyer, some same friends. I've probably done 10-plus deals with shipping out of state. Sure. I don't think it's a bad thing. I prefer the cash on the glass. Don't ever bet anything you're not willing to lose. I'm not willing to lose a whole lot. I think it's more on the buyer's side, you know, risky on the buyer's side. Yeah, dude, that's my side. Once the money's in my bank and it's friends and family, there's no recourse. That is some Ouija board bullshit in my eyes. Dude, I want tangible cash, okay? I mean, I get the whole, right, cash on the glass thing, but I'm draining it because I've had success and both parties happy. Well, there's times you can't put cash on the glass. I mean, if you're getting a game where you're not willing to drive, there's going to have to be some type of wire or transfer of funds for your game. Because you limit yourself if you're only going to buy games in which you're going to drive to and put cash on the glass. So here's another thing. Shipping. How far are you willing to drive for a game? Yeah, that's a great question. I know exactly my answer. Farthest I've ever driven. I bet I know your answer too, Ken. I don't know. Farthest I've ever driven was five hours and 15 minutes. One way. So is that your threshold? One way. One way. Ooh, mama. Right outside of Detroit. That was a long trip. That is a long trip. So what's your threshold? I mean, would you do that again? I would do anything if it makes financial sense. Yeah, I suppose. I got a buddy that's literally in Colorado right now picking up two games because he didn't want to deal with the shipping, and it made more financial sense for him to go down there and get them. Well, shipping's gone up so much in the last five years, too. And the other thing, a funny one I thought of you, recently I had a guy I was buying a game from. He's like, all right, so when you come to pick it up, I accept cash, Bitcoin, silver, Venmo, and some other weird... Does he accept Saitama? Saitama. Throw out the options. I like that. Well, I'm like, dude, I got some FTX if you want. He's like, ha, ha, ha, ha. How about cash? He's like, yeah, that's fine. But I mean, just the fact that he went there with the crypto and the silver, I was like, wow, okay, this is like end of world type. The precious metals. I mean, they're always popular. It's not really opening up the buyer pool. No, but me... Too much. I mean... But you guys do your banking online, and you guys have dabbled in more stuff like that, and I'm still a very rudimentary Apple IIe kind of guy, right? So to me, doing a bank transfer, wire transfer, PayPal, that's Ouija board nonsense, and I'm sending my money off to, you know. I don't know. So to me, that's too scary. It's Ouija board. Don't mess with it. Give me my cash. I'll give you your cash. Whatever. Life is fine. How far will you drive, Steve, for the right deal? So I'm not talking about like the epic deal of all time, but your average deal. I may be four hours one way. Wow. Don't make it more than a full work day. Don't make it an eight-hour-plus day. Yeah. And that's pushing it. Yeah, that's a long day, man. Like when I'm looking, I'm in the 200-mile radius, even just Facebook Marketplace I use for an example. I won't even look beyond that. Yeah, I try to stay around about 100 miles. Like, how about two hours? Because that's two hours, another hour to get your stuff, another hour to come back. That's five hours. That's a long time. Right, an hour to break down, get back in your car. That's if it's just one machine. I mean, if you're looking at multiple machines, I mean, you could be there for two hours. Inevitably, it ends up happening. You go to these houses, and you go to pick up a game, and somebody wants to show you some other games, and they want to take you in the yard, they want to show you around. I don't mind doing that. I mean, I'll have a beer there, and then I'm having 10 beers, and then I've got a hotel room down the road. I have a trick for that, though. because absolutely like when i got two little kids at home and a wife that has little patience right so when i leave on a saturday edit that a little leave that right in she knows she absolutely knows it's fine yeah she doesn't listen anyways yeah exactly you know no one's listening anyway yeah bob uker uh jamie hops on a stream oh yeah yeah she jumps on twitch what to tell you to come home kind of but anyhow when her name pops up it's but that's amazing but literally so when i'm driving three and a half to five hours to go pick up a game, I always say, if it's somebody that deals with pinball, I'll say, hey, can you get it to the garage? Yeah, for sure. Can you take that step out for me? That's really good advice, actually. If you can get it to the garage, I'm already driving eight hours to make this happen. I don't need to pull a muscle three and a half hours or four hours away from home in my back and have a problem getting home. Well, and a lot of times you'll get downstairs to somebody's basement. They've had this game for seven, eight, nine years. Yeah. The bolts are stuck. You're just looking at the stairs, and you're like, this doesn't even make any sense. It's like, oh, yeah, when they brought it down here, they had to take the banister off. They had to take the door off. There's crap piled up on the stairs. They had to take the head off, and you're like, oh, my gosh. Now, I know you don't shy away from popping the head off a game to move it, but that's not my bag. Praying mantis. Asking them to get the game to the garage at ground level is actually very solid advice, because then the transportation up the basement, not only for the damage to the machine, but potential damage to the house that you might be on the hook for. it just gets rid of all that so i like that yeah and honestly i mean absolutely but for mine it's it's just being that far away from home and if something happens we've all pulled muscles moving a machine right and what if you're dealing with somebody that's older doesn't know oh you know i thought you had it and suddenly you've got a machine laying on your ankle i thought you were breathing yeah i thought you were just relaxing with the game on yeah no no you just said that what if something happens back at home you know with the family and you're in your you know but Eight hours away. I actually had a deal. I went, I think, two hours into Indiana, and I picked up a Twister. I don't remember. I forget what the other game was. But I get a call from my wife, and the dog had run away. And I'm not there. What, your new dog? No, no, no. This was the last dog. This was probably five years ago. You know, because we used to let him out, and he'd just kind of do his thing in the back yard. I'm picturing the funny part with Chevy Chase right now. But, dude. With the dog. And I'm like, okay. Well, I can't be there right now. Let me get a hold of my dad. And he lives, you know, in the vicinity. And he came over and actually saw the dog walking down the road. And the dog hopped in the car. But she was a mess, right? And I'm like, I can't be there to help. So one thing that you know but a lot of listeners don know because we stopped streaming was for my daughter birthday two years ago I bought her a little 50 ATV right Loves it She rides by herself wears a helmet Life is great And this previous year I bought another one because it was a good deal and I was like, you know, my son's going to be able to ride at some point, and it was cheap. The family loves doing it. I sold a game to pay for the first one, and it was one of the best investments that I've ever had. And actually, it was kind of a page out of your book. I remember when you sold a game to pay for your outdoor pergola. Yep. Not pergola. When you... Gazebo. Gazebo. With my stamped concrete. Very nice. With the stamped concrete. That was great. That was one of the twilight zones that left for that backyard experience. 20 by 50. Well, I always thought you were crazy. I was like, dude, you just sold a machine to pay for home stuff. And honestly, when I sold the one machine, I was like, you know what? I'm going to use this money for family stuff. And I did, and honestly, it was one of the best things I could have ever done. 100%. And so now we have... And then after I bought the first one for my daughter, I was like, you know what? I should really have one for my wife or myself so we can follow her, right, when she's riding behind our house. So I bought a third one, and then over summer, my wife was like, oh, we went on the ATVs. I'm like, okay, so you have a 3-year-old and a 7-year-old, and you're riding around the yard with ATVs, and you're not coordinated yourself. I will edit that out, Bill. No, no, no, no, you can leave it in. She knows this, so I told her. I'm like, listen. She's not listening anyway. If anything ever happens, you have not only our son to worry about, but then you have our daughter or something else. If you're going to ride these, there needs to be two parents just in case something happens. It's time for the retro roundup. Time machine initialized. Destination. December 1992. So, December 1992 pinball machines that were released in December of 1992 were Data East Star Wars. Oh. Throwback. Ken, you've had this one. Creature from the Black Lagoon. Yes, Creature. Yeah, buddy. Don't let your hologram turn blue. No. You want to get that video mod if they're still out there. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, that was real big. The hologram mod. Yeah. Yeah. And then, Steve, another one that you and I find a fan favorite for us, community bicycle kind of a pin, but we both enjoy it. Cuball Wizard. Cuball Wizard. You get a Cuball Wizard. You get a Cuball Wizard. You get a Cuball Wizard. We were on stream and we were talking, you know, for what you could buy at Circus Voltaire, you could pretty much buy all the nice Cuball Wizards within a $500 box. It's still an entertaining game, I will say. It is. It's a great underrated value. So new music releases December 1992. Bill, you're going to love this one. Maybe you too, Steve. Dr. Dre the Chronic. Oh no, that's all Bill. Oh, yeah. Little Brad. Oh, man. It was a pretty amazing CD. Back in the day, 1992. Nobody's listening to CDs anymore. Everything's streamed. But an amazing album. You could have got that on tape. Little tidbit about 1992. CD sales just surpassed audio cassette tapes for the first time in 1992. Wow. See, the transition was already there. Nicely done, Steve. I like that. I do like that little tidbit. Another album that had come out that month, Nirvana's Incesticide was out that month. And it was interesting because there were still Nirvana songs that were topping the charts in 1992 before that album was released. Other albums released that month, Rage Against the Machine, Bullet in the Head was there, Nine Inch Nails fixed. Wu-Tang Clan, Protect Ya Neck. Do you know how many people in high school listened to Wu-Tang and wore those shirts? I don't know if you guys had that in your high school. Oh, yeah, I think everybody probably did. Dude, 50% had a Wu-Tang Clan shirt on. It was like, wow, this is insane. Not to get age, you know, appropriate. How old are you guys? I'm 42. 42. Okay. I'm older than 42. Okay. Now I'm 47. So I was seven years old in December 1992. So I don't think the seven-year-olds were rocking the Wu-Tang shirts, but, man, I feel you. Dude, I know what I'm going to order Billy for Christmas. You know what I'm talking about, though. So also in 1992, not a single song that ended up on the top 100 charts at the end of 1991 ended up in the top charts at the end of 1992. Okay. So basically, 1991 probably had some pretty cramping music. It's just a race stop in history. Right? I mean, what? How does that work? Top 100, nothing makes it. Hey, yeah, popular movie at the time. The number one movie at the box office for December of 92. You can't handle the truth! You can't handle the truth. A Few Good Men. What a great movie. Another fun fact. This will be another one. Ken, you might remember very well. Steve, you might not. Bulls vs. Blazers came out in December of 1992. Oh, yeah. E-A Sports. It's in the game. E-A Sports. That's a game? E-A Sports. It's in the game. It's in the game. I still hear that in my, like, yeah. That's such, man, all those Bulls vs. Everybody games were amazing. Yeah. Ken Rockett. Yeah, no, I was going through some news headlines December 1992. Amy Fisher sentenced to 5 to 15 years for shooting Mary Jo Buttafuoco. Do you remember that whole trial? Yes. That was amazing. That was crazy. I mean, that's when trials started getting some big press. And nowadays you can watch these trials on TV. San Francisco 49ers wide receiver Jerry Rice catches the NFL record, 100 first touchdown and a 27-3 win over the Miami Dolphins at Candlestick Park. San Francisco Giants sign a record $43 million deal with Pirates Major League Baseball outfielder Barry Bonds, who went on to break some home run records, ran under some scrutiny with potential allegations of steroid use. December 8th, NBC announces that Cheers will go off the air in May of 93. Boo. Do you guys remember watching Cheers? Nope. Absolutely, dude. And Chris Miller just passed away last week. Yeah, Cheers. probably in my opinion the best sitcom of all time yes uh norm yeah so i have a little catch up to do boys absolutely december 9th the third billboard music awards come out whitney houston garth brooks and dr dre all winners absolutely hey garth brooks you couldn't you couldn't throw a frisbee without hitting the garth brooks song oh my gosh i remember shooting pool back in the 92 93 and thunder rolls you know playing on the jukebox friends of the places exactly Amazing. And then December 12th, 1958, Heisman Trophy Award winner Gino Toretta out of the University of Miami comes out. Sports history again. Lennox Lewis, given the WBC title when Riddick Bowe refused to fight him. You remember Lennox Lewis? That was so popular. That was back in the pay-per-view days where you'd have to call the cable company and say, I want to spend $50 to watch this on this crap TV, this crap projector, the 60-inch that the picture was crap. I mean, it was absolutely terrible, but we're going to watch this fight. Was this prior to the black box that you could hack into? They always had pirated stuff. They did. Going all the way back into the early cable days. But, yeah, we were doing it legit. Closing out the year, though, December 31st, 1992. You know what happened, guys? The New Year's Eve song played? Major League Baseball outfielder David Justice married who in Atlanta, Georgia that year? You're the baseball guy, so I have no idea. Halle Berry! Oh, yeah! David Justice and Halle Berry tied the knot December 31st, 1992, closing out the year and closing out the retro roundup. I think on that note, Ken and Steve, we've really covered a lot of ground. I'm really happy with everything we've got done tonight. I don't know how you guys are feeling. Ken, Steve? Feeling great. It's good to be back. It's good to be just hanging out with you guys. I mean, we do this, like you said, we do this on our own time. But to be sitting here in front of these mics with you boys is special. I'm smiling because I'm looking across you guys with microphones and headphones. And it's just it's been a while since we've been able to do that, especially here in Studio C. So, again, thank you guys for making the commitment to do this again. And it's going to be fun. I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to how we are able to share our show with the listener over the next couple months. Stick with us. you're going to see a little bit of changes, but what you know and what you love about Special Unlit is going to always be true. And then for feedback, obviously you can hit us up. You can go to SpecialUnlitPinballPodcast.gmail.com if you'd like to offer feedback or contact me directly. Bill, how can people get a hold of you? Either through Special Unlit, through Facebook or Free Play Pinball Podcast. If you guys want a message through Facebook there too, do a real quick sidebar. We didn't bring this up earlier, but I also do another podcast with Amanda Hamilton called Free Play Pinball Podcast. and we cover more of the news and some drama and occasionally too much of Lord of the Rings and Hobbit. So that's my plug for Amanda and another good friend of ours, Dwight. Good times. And Steve, if they want to reach out to you, what's the best way to contact you? Just reach out to you guys. We're good. All right. Special Winlet Pinball Podcast at gmail.com. That's the one. Will that work for you, Steve? That'll work. Attention, Steve Beattie. If you want to catch us on social media, you can catch us on Facebook at Special Winlet Pinball Podcast. Bill, we have Instagram going still, right? We do have Instagram going still. Tonight I will actually post a picture I took of us. How can somebody find us on Instagram? Is it special and lit? That's a great question. You should probably pause. We'll figure it out. Just let us know how you found us on Instagram. I know Bill's been running that. I'm like, I'm not going to give my personal email out. He can get a hold of me through you guys. Steve, what's your mother's maiden name in the last four digits of your social? In what county were you born in? That's the money question. What county were you born in? Right, Mr. No Cash on the Glass. And Bill, with the Instagram account, if you want to reach us, how do you find us? Special and Lit Pinball on Instagram. Perfect. We're not really doing Twitter, although Twitter's the place to be right now. It's a little interesting. I'll tweet. Let's tweet. We don't have Twitter, do we? No, but Steve, if you want to take Twitter, we'll take Twitter. All right. Oh, that's amazing. All right, so I'll run Facebook, you run Instagram, and Steve, you'll run Twitter. Or really, one should run them all, because I think you can connect them all. you know it's 2022 almost 2023 i think they just all connect out of hand no it's all right all right these guys are older than nice and separate the kiddo the kid was like nah you can just take it on twitter now what's up all right so that's a wrap gentlemen anything else you got on the uh agenda here no i'm all good this is a good time i love it we're back guys here we go from bill webb i am ken cromwell everybody have a good morning good afternoon good evening and don't forget to take some time out of your day and play some pinball so long everybody gotta go Way to kick it off. To yawn. You sounded like... Oh, you sounded like... That's exactly what I was thinking. I want to plunge it all night long. That's like... I want to plunge with somebody. I want to play some pin with somebody. I want to feel the... Shaker with... Well, no, that doesn't make sense. I feel like shaker. My bad. Let's go back and rewind, because that could be a mess. Damn it. Okay. Okay. All right.

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