# Triple Drain Pinball Podcast Ep 24: We Are ALL IN On Galatic Tank Force **Source:** Triple Drain Pinball Podcast **Type:** podcast_episode **Published:** 2022-10-04 **Duration:** 92m 19s **Beat:** Pinball **URL:** https://zencastr.com/z/aiOh2XBw --- ## Analysis Triple Drain Podcast Ep 24 discusses the hosts' experiences at Cleapin (Cleveland Pinball Expo) tournament where Travis finished second, tournament format critiques (particularly random draw tiebreakers vs. earned advantages), and reactions to Stern's chaotic James Bond 007 60th Anniversary game reveal marked by leaks, unclear pricing, and production delays. ### Key Claims - [HIGH] Travis finished second at Cleapin, with Carlos winning the tournament, playing outstanding on Attack from Mars — _Travis competing in tournament finals; Joel and Tom as observers confirming Carlos' victory_ - [HIGH] Random draw tiebreakers at Cleapin disadvantaged high seeds who earned bus driver position; Neil lost a tiebreaker on Kiss against Shannon Stafford after being picked by random number generator — _Direct discussion of tournament format with Travis and Joel noting the issue_ - [HIGH] Free Play Florida tournament format uses reverse order finish (last place pick next game), which incentivizes intentionally losing — _Competitive players texted the hosts about Free Play Florida format continuing from last year_ - [HIGH] James Bond 007 60th Anniversary game reveal was chaotic with initial release delayed, multiple leaks, and no official announcement cadence — _Travis working for distributor noting the reveal was 'bumpy' and discombobulated_ - [HIGH] Keith Elwin confirmed in chat that leaked mockup image of James Bond game is not 100% accurate, particularly blank start/coin buttons suggesting it's a mockup — _Joel's stream experience where Keith Elwin appeared in chat and steered them toward realizing the image was inaccurate_ - [MEDIUM] James Bond 60th will have mechanical score reels in the backbox, different from standard LCD screen format — _Keith Elwin reached out to Joel confirming mechanical score reels, unclear if backbox form factor will change_ - [MEDIUM] Elvira 40th Edition secondary market pricing is $20,000-$21,000 new and used, suggesting James Bond 60th could reach $25,000+ — _Travis referencing Facebook marketplace listings as price floor comparison_ - [HIGH] Stern Insider podcast confirmed George Gomez mentioned potential Goldfinger LE variant similar to Elvira 40th year-later release model — _George Gomez statement on podcast about conditional Goldfinger release based on sales_ ### Notable Quotes > "I hate taking second place, though. That's I think the second time this year in the Stern Pro Circuit event. I took second. So I've never won one." > — **Travis**, ~20:00 > _Reveals frustration with competitive results and motivation to win at higher level_ > "if you're picking against another, you know, particular opponent, you're probably going to, do you want to pick the game you want or do you want to pick a game? You know, they don't want, and there's way more strategy there than I, than I think I'd ever given you guys credit for." > — **Joel**, ~15:00 > _Shows understanding of strategic depth in tournament game selection and format design_ > "I would sell the game for $100,000 if I could. Yeah. I like money, Joel." > — **Travis**, ~65:00 > _Reveals distributor perspective on premium game pricing and profit motive_ > "the score reels are mechanical. Like there are going to be score mechanical. So I don't know if that means the entire back box is going to look different or if they're going to stick to the standard form factor" > — **Keith Elwin (relayed by Joel)**, ~75:00 > _Insider confirmation of key mechanical feature difference from standard Stern games_ > "this is a mock-up... the one photo that's out there that is going around, I know for a fact it's not 100% accurate. And that's straight from Keith Elwin" > — **Joel**, ~70:00 > _First-hand confirmation from designer that leaked image cannot be trusted_ > "it's been weird. It's been like from, you know, for Tom and I, it's been one thing. Like, how interested in this game? Is this a game that I'd potentially buy? Travis, it's been a whole nother experience now that you work for a distributor." > — **Joel**, ~45:00 > _Highlights perspective difference between consumers and distributor/industry insiders on product reveals_ ### Entities | Name | Type | Context | |------|------|---------| | Triple Drain Pinball Podcast | organization | Pinball podcast hosted by Joel, Travis, and Tom; part of Pinball Network | | Travis | person | Co-host of Triple Drain; competitive pinball player who finished second at Cleapin; works for pinball distributor (Flipping Out) | | Joel | person | Co-host of Triple Drain; handles podcast editing; runs streams on Pinball Network | | Tom | person | Co-host of Triple Drain; brings soundboard to recordings; tournament observer at Cleapin | | Cleapin | event | Cleveland Pinball Expo; Stern Pro Circuit event where Travis finished second; random draw tiebreaker format criticized | | Carlos | person | Tournament winner at Cleapin; posted top killer scores on Attack from Mars throughout qualifying | | Neil McCrae | person | Cleapin participant; lost tiebreaker on Kiss against Shannon Stafford; put on UK Pinball Open tournament in London | | Keith Elwin | person | Pinball designer; game designer for James Bond 60th Anniversary; confirmed leaked image is mockup with inaccurate details; reached out to Joel about mechanical score reels | | James Bond 007 60th Anniversary | game | Stern Pinball upcoming release; chaotic reveal with leaks, unclear pricing, delayed announcement; mechanical score reels confirmed; potential Goldfinger LE variant | | George Gomez | person | Stern Pinball designer/representative; announced score reels and hinted at conditional Goldfinger release on Stern Insider podcast | | Elvira 40th Edition | game | Previous Stern special edition game; secondary market prices $20,000-$21,000 used/new; model for potential James Bond multi-tier release strategy | | Free Play Florida | event | Tournament using reverse order finish format (last place picks next game); criticized for incentivizing intentional losses | | UK Pinball Open | event | Tournament organized by Neil McCrae in London; praised by hosts | | Zach (Flipping Out) | person | Distributor owner; providing James Bond Pro machines to Joel and Tom for streaming/routing | | Shannon Stafford | person | Cleapin competitor who won tiebreaker against Neil McCrae on Kiss | | Attack from Mars | game | Tournament game at Cleapin; Carlos dominated with killer scores around 8 billion on ball 3 | ### Topics - **Primary:** Tournament format design and fairness, James Bond 60th Anniversary game reveal chaos, Competitive pinball strategy and preparation, Pricing signals for premium/limited edition games - **Secondary:** Game leaks and unofficial information distribution, Distributor vs consumer perspective on releases, Mechanical vs digital game features, Stern Pinball business practices and communication ### Sentiment **Mixed** (0.45) — Positive about Cleapin tournament experience and competitive depth; frustrated with James Bond reveal chaos, pricing uncertainty, and tournament format design; cautiously interested in James Bond but concerned about access and cost ### Signals - **[sentiment_shift]** Community confusion and frustration with James Bond reveal cadence; customers uncertain about availability, pricing, and delivery timelines; concerns about mimicking problematic Elvira 40th release strategy (confidence: high) — Travis: 'I firmly believe right now there's a lot of customers out there that are very confused just because it hasn't been the normal reveal' and Joel: 'It's weird though like godzilla godzilla came out and if you hadn't placed an order within the first i don't know 48 hours you're waiting a year plus before you're going to get your game' - **[community_signal]** Cleapin (Cleveland Pinball Expo) positioned as significant Stern Pro Circuit tournament with strong competitive field and community infrastructure (streaming by Chuck Wirt crew) (confidence: high) — Tournament had multiple qualifying rounds, finals, established tiebreaker protocols, professional streaming, and competitive players competing at high skill level - **[leak_detection]** Multiple high-resolution images of James Bond 60th leaked via Google search filter manipulation of 007.com/007fans.com; Keith Elwin confirmed mockup is inaccurate with blank buttons (confidence: high) — Joel: 'Google found it like there's some there's some smart people on Pinside, but they literally messed around with the filters on Google and found a way to like they were basically searching for photos on. I think it's 007.com or it's like 007fans.com' and Keith Elwin confirmation it's a mockup - **[licensing_signal]** James Bond artwork sourced directly from Sean Connery era movie posters per David Dennis analysis; authentic to specific film era (confidence: medium) — Joel: 'David Dennis on and he is actually like a huge James Bond fan. And so he was like, no, this is very, you know, it's very clear. Every bit of art that you're seeing was pulled straight from movie posters' - **[market_signal]** Stern's James Bond reveal lacks cohesive marketing strategy: no clear streaming date announced, multiple uncontrolled leaks, delayed production timeline messaging from leadership (confidence: high) — Joel: 'We still don't know the official name of the game... We don't have any other you know, we don't have anything else from Stern. No announcement on on when the game will be streamed' and Travis calling the reveal 'bumpy' and 'discombobulated' - **[market_signal]** James Bond 60th pricing expected to exceed $20,000 based on Elvira 40th secondary market comps; Travis speculates potentially $25,000+ (confidence: medium) — Joel: 'I saw right now on Facebook, right now there's two new in-box Elvires that are set at like $20,000 plus, $20,000. So you're $20,000, $21,000, even used. So if that's a bar, I mean, I think there's chances Elwynn game is going to be $25,000.' - **[product_strategy]** James Bond 60th Anniversary reveal experienced multiple delays, leaked images, and inconsistent production timeline messaging (April homebuyer delivery pushed back to unclear date) (confidence: high) — Travis: 'initial release getting delayed and then all these leaks getting out and then you know not really having it doesn't feel like we've had an official i guess an official reveal' and 'so when you're trying to market this game to people outside the industry, it's kind of I don't know. It's kind of strange because, you know, it's like, hey, here's the game. It's been revealed. But, hey, the game's not going to be available for you for a few months from now.' - **[product_strategy]** James Bond 60th features mechanical score reels in backbox instead of standard LCD screen format; Keith Elwin confirmed this feature but unclear if full backbox form factor will change (confidence: medium) — Keith Elwin (via Joel): 'the score reels are mechanical. Like there are going to be score mechanical. So I don't know if that means the entire back box is going to look different or if they're going to stick to the standard form factor, but instead of having an LCD monitor, they'll have something else physically in that same spot' - **[business_signal]** Stern potentially replicating Elvira 40th multi-release model with James Bond: George Gomez hinted at conditional Goldfinger LE variant if initial sales strong (confidence: medium) — Joel: 'george basically was like well depending on sales the maybe maybe gold gold finger would happen so everybody's hearing that they're like all right they're gonna do just like alvira 40th edition where a year down the road boom here's another le version that's gold gold it's like are they and so the people are already annoyed or upset about that even the concept of the potential of something like that' - **[competitive_signal]** Free Play Florida and Cleapin using tournament formats (reverse order finish, random draw tiebreakers) that undermine competitive integrity by removing incentives for skilled play or earned advantages (confidence: high) — Travis: 'you take away hours upon hours of qualifying. You take away any incentive to be a bus driver. You take away any incentive to really be a high qualifier' and Joel: 'you don't want to see anybody literally throwing their hat like i'm done with this game like i'm purposely sucking at this game so that i have an advantage next game' --- ## Transcript the pinball network is online launching triple drain pinball podcast all right i think we're good yeah travis you're pointing you can hear me travis you good please don't act like you can't hear me of course i can hear you joel we just did sound checks before we even hit the button i just i would not put it past you joel i'm writing way dude you're in the comfy too man i'm ready you are i'm ready to go i'm i'm in the zone tonight let's do this wonderful tom you ready i'm cutting you off hell yeah tom i'm glad you're ready man appreciate it um well yeah here we go we we we're three guys who like the talking ball So we came up with a clever name. We're Joel and Travis Downer Talk and Ball. And we call ourselves Triple Drain. Triple Drain. Triple Drain. We're Triple, Triple Drain. Triple Drain. Well, you know, I got to give it to us. You know, we've, oh, crap. Travis, what? I see your hands in the air. Joel, what is going on? I'm not muted. I'm not muted. I know you can hear me. Okay, Tom and I, we are freaking fired up. Tom's brought the soundboard. We danced during the intro. And you're just sitting there with your arms crossed, just like staring daggers at something. Just keep it professional. No, what I was noticing was I looked at the time, and it's 929. We said we were going to record at 930. Somehow the three of us all showed up at 922 with working equipment. We had the shortest pre-show conversation we've ever had. Oh, I get it. I understand now why you're upset. You didn't get to make fun of me for like 15 minutes before we started recording. That's what I did. Tom and I really just want to start recording without you. And now you're showing up on time. You're actually ready to go. I don't know what's going on. But 24 episodes, Travis, I'm glad you finally figured it out. So congrats, man. yep thank you okay all right well um yeah last time we recorded the three of us all recorded in the same room you know um travis was ripping them on my bed um it was it was good it was eating physically eating on your bed yeah yeah crumbs galore no it was a good time cleapin was a good time that what was funny is we recorded everybody left i was still awake i was like i'm going to start editing this. And you know, when you're immediately listening to a conversation you just had, I got about halfway through and I'm like, what am I doing? It's one 30 in the morning. So I stopped, woke up the next day, finished editing it that day, which was a Sunday morning. And I think, um, Zach actually had it uploaded like later that day, which is pretty awesome. So props to Zach for doing that. That was a good time. It was a good time recording in person. Um, the audio quality sucked, but it was, it was still an enjoyable experience. Props to Ray Day for just showing up at the hotel and there we go and giving his two cents and then uh i mean holy crap how long and then monica i forgot i had to hit the button again yeah monica stole the show right at the end um so way to bring her into that there travis so yeah hey that was your mortal enemy apparently last weekend yeah are you gonna congratulate travis well i was just saying this now that that's done you tom that was saturday night i appreciate it that's why you're my favorite one i know hey i'm top three so sunday sunday rolled around and um yeah me and and tom we're we're just there to be supportive and had a great have a great time uh neil was still in it travis so we're talking about clee clee pin this is the the cleveland pinball expo there was a tournament there uh travis had made finals neil um neil got out what first round i mean uh well yeah so he went in unfortunately yeah he got out what was strange about that is he was actually driving the bus but he was in a tiebreaker with uh shannon stafford hey shane uh but uh But the weird thing is in that tournament is you're basically your tiebreakers. You don't get to pick. It's just random draw. So Kiss got picked. Neil was like, well, okay, but I would have picked something else. And then he ended up losing. Yeah, I remember that. There was a few tiebreakers, and I remember that. Even the day before, there was a tiebreaker, and everybody was surprised. Like, wait, what? You know, not the highest seed. The highest seed isn't picking. It's they literally ran a random number generator. It's fed out a number and they're like, oh, you're playing turtles. So, yeah, I mean, I could I could see that for something where, you know, the tournament is random draw the entire time. But, you know, when you're the bus driver, you should be the bus driver. Yeah. At a herb at a herb event, especially if it's a Stern Pro Circuit event, I would much rather have somebody be the bus driver because they earned it. they they played skillfully the whole time to get there and they deserve to have that advantage so to me yeah i do not like the random number generator but not taking anything away from shannon because he he played amazing you know i'm just saying the the format so just you know that way you don't end up on cosmos people right right right for people considering running tournaments you know it's just something to think about in the future well tom isn't free play Florida, they're still running from my understanding because we had a bunch of competitive players just text us this past weekend or maybe right before this past weekend talking about the Free Play Florida format. Right. So it looks like apparently they're still going to do what they did last year, which is it's reverse ordered finish. So, Joel, what that means is if you take last in your group, you get to pick the game the very next time. try to like even the playing field every round it's just well yeah and it just doesn't make any sense because it encourages you to actually lose like you you might have to actually lose on purpose i've been in a tournament before to where after winning the first game and i had a bad first ball i was just like why is there any point to to playing this out and trying to scratch and claw my way to a second or third place when I could just go ahead and just wait and just get my game pick for game three. And so, I mean, it looks like they're going to do this again. It is. But at the same time, though, the ability to be able to pick your game because you're picking that game because you believe you can win. That's I mean, that's the reason why you're picking it. So it's just kind of one of those things that I'm very surprised that that format is still going to take place again. And so just like Tom and I were talking about a second ago with Cleapin, I mean, it's, if you're the bus driver, let people be the bus driver. But whenever you're in a herb event, I, I personally don't see any value in making it reversed order finish because then it's just, you know, to me, it's just, you, you take away hours upon hours of qualifying. You take away any incentive to be a bus driver. You take away any incentive to really be a high qualifier, you know because there's still incentive to even if you're not the first seed in your group to be the second seed in your group since you usually get to choose you know your position next so i remember we talked about this on a previous episode that i doubt you ever want to be in a tournament where you're deciding whether or not you want to play well or not you know if it's if it's in a if it's in a situation i mean yeah you don't want to see anybody literally throwing their hat like i'm done with this game like i'm purposely sucking at this game so that i have an advantage next game like that just seems kind of counter productive but no i there was a lot that i learned not only participating in the tournament but also watching the tournament and one thing that i've always been impressed by when watching tournament streams was in my mind i'm like how are these guys so good at these games you know they're just they can just step up to these games and they just know the shots that can just play them. What I totally didn't take into account was Travis, you're playing, you're, you're in finals on Sunday. You got there Thursday. So essentially from all day, Thursday, all day, Friday, most of the day, Saturday, you're playing the same nine games over and over and over again. So you guys are learning that game. You're understanding that game. So it's not like you're walking up fresh. I mean, you, you know, that game, uh, you know, over the course of playing it so many times so that when finals comes around, it is very clear you know if carlos carlos was had top seed we know what carlos is going to pick based off of the killer scores that he was putting up on attack from mars while travis you had the number one spot in quicksilver for days so it's like okay if travis actually had the choice to pick a game he's probably going to take quicksilver because he had the number one score that nobody was able to beat until the very end that's a that's a whole nother thing that we can get into but that's something that just from an outside observer, I didn't realize, I didn't realize it is very clear that normally as the days goes on, everybody gravitates towards certain games that they become more comfortable with. You guys know this. So if you're picking against another, you know, particular opponent, you're probably going to, do you want to pick the game you want or do you want to pick a game? You know, they don't want, and there's way more strategy there than I, than I think I'd ever given you guys credit for. So that was pretty cool. But hey, I got to give it to you, Travis. Come Sunday, you know, Tom, myself, Neil, we're all just observers. Monica, we're all rooting you on watching. And yeah, you made it really far. So I don't know if you want to kind of, I don't know, talk about that. But yeah, your Sunday experience. I mean, it was fun in general. I hate taking second place, though. That's I think the second time this year in the Stern Pro Circuit event. It took second. So I've never won one. That's like in the feels, Joel, totally in the feels like I really want to win very badly. But, you know, the reality is, is Carlos, he just played outstanding. I mean, yeah, it's like when you walk up and you are at like eight billion on ball three on attack from Mars and you're in third place. Yeah. At the time, it's like, OK, you know, everybody there can play at that point. anybody that makes finals can play but especially just like you were talking about before when everybody has the opportunity to play the same games over and over and over again you get dialed in to the bounces to the tilts to understanding where all the shots are i mean it it makes for a very fun and competitive environment it makes it a lot more fun knowing that you have to blow up a game more times than not in order to survive that format because yeah if you're playing a match play tournaments, random draw, everything, you may not have to blow something up because then oftentimes people are going in cold. They may not know the balances, what have you. But when you're dealing with tournaments like this, and you could even see this if you watch the UK Open, and I think this even happened at a pinball at the lab, which was interesting because that wasn't a herb, but at the same time, they've got to play those games. And so you get to know the balances. You get to figure out what you want to do. And so, yeah, it just makes for a much more fun finals, in my opinion. And I like that. I like the atmosphere of knowing, OK, this player's picking this game because they believe they can win at that game. And the rest of us got to try to play catch up. And, you know, that's that's what's fun about it. That's what makes competitive pinball a lot of fun. Well, what I thought was fun was come Saturday when you're like, I've got to get in, all of a sudden you shifted to Corvette. You were just focused on Corvette. You were like, I got to get that up. So all of a sudden you just are playing Corvette and you blew it up. Like you blew it up and you're like, done. I'm done. Let's go to dinner. I'm good. So I thought it was funny that come the next day, it was like, you just dominated on Corvette. Anytime that you guys played Corvette, you just blew it up. And it was just one of those like, okay, don't mess with Travis on Corvette. Got it. Just like Lowe's was blowing up Attack from Mars. You know, everybody starts really honing in on certain games, which is pretty incredible. It's one of those things, too. And Tom can attest to this, that qualifying, you realize that you have space to make mistakes. Like it's OK. You can requeue. And I myself, I made a crazy tactical mistake all weekend long playing the way that I did in qualifying. I talked to some other people about this, about the choices I was making and just basically how my approach was. I decided to change it up a little bit. Now I'm going to go back to the way I did things originally because it cost me. It cost me getting into classics. And then it cost me a great position in Maine to where I was down towards the bottom. So I don't want to do that anymore. But Tom can attest to this, that after qualifying, when you get into finals, then that's when you have to turn it on. Because you got no more recues, you got no more voids, you have to put up a score, and you have to be strategic, you have to be skillful, and you have to understand where you want to go with the game. You understand what the game's going to give you at that point, and so you know what your plan of attack is going into there. And oftentimes it might shift, too. If somebody puts up a crazy ball one, yeah, it might shift a little bit. But yeah, that's what all goes into it. that your mindset just changes and you want to get the win. Well, I mean, now that I'm a tournament player, I totally understand what you're saying. I can really relate to you. And, I mean, my tournament experience, yes, it is me versus all the other people, but it really just felt like it was me versus the game. And every time that I finished, I was just like, I can do better. And so you want to buy another ticket, you want to try again. And, sure, I was comparing numbers, specifically against Monica. I just picked one name that I knew that was on the list that I felt like I could pass. and it was I mean it was a lot of fun but I'll be very curious next time I have a chance to play a tournament and actually go head-to-head because for you to have an amazing you know ball two on Corvette now every now all of a sudden everybody is changing and trying to adapt to try to and it's you are I mean it's you versus the game but it's it is very much you versus the other people so congrats on the second finish I think it is funny Monica had finished third the night before so I know we were joking around it's like he better he better finish third or above or it's going to be a weird ride home so i mean wait well done sir well done yeah yeah thank you kind sir i appreciate it he did a fist pump yeah for all the for all the listeners no i was tipping my cap oh that's an aggressive tip i don't you know i'm an aggressive guy joel you know this i i apologies to all the uh white knights out there for joel rogan i was not meaning any violence towards him just now or just oh no we're still worried about yeah we're still so okay we've had a lot of conversations about that the reality is we enjoy poking fun at each other we understand though that we should let the other person finish what they're saying before we interrupt with our hilarious quip you know because i know we're all so witty no no you for all those out there keeping score at home i know some of y'all don't realize this but read the titles to our podcast yeah they're all they're all hilarious yeah most of them might be at your expense but they're all hilarious exactly you guys you know typically what happens is i edit the podcast and i'm like i want this done i want it out and i take all of about 10 seconds to think of an episode name so if you the two of you want to you know submit a thought you know towards the episode title i'll listen i may not type it in but i'll listen thank you i appreciate it so there we go So, Kleepin, it was an amazing tournament experience. I, you know, congrats to Carlos. I mean, he blew it up. He had a great weekend. It was a lot of fun. Really cool seeing those people. And shout out to Chuck Wirt and his crew streaming the thing. It was fantastic. So, all around good time. We got to mention this weekend was the UK Pinball Open. And what a freaking amazing tournament Neil McRae put on in London. and we're going to give them some applause right now. There we go. There we go. Unfortunately, I had not had a chance to watch that, but that will be something I will have on the third monitor this week as I work. But it should be a good time. So moving right along to number two, James Bond, the Bond 007. We still don't know the official. I don't think we know the official name of the game, but it was officially announced. So I know we discussed this when we were at Cleapin. It was announced that that Thursday, the Thursday later. And basically what the announcement involved was a bunch of high res photos and a pro feature, a premium feature at an L.E. feature. And that's it. We don't have any other you know, we don't have anything else from Stern. No announcement on on when the game will be streamed. There was a Stern Insider podcast. That was a good time. Listen to that. Highly encourage that. But yeah, it's been weird. It's been like from, you know, for Tom and I, it's been one thing. Like, how interested in this game? Is this a game that I'd potentially buy? Travis, it's been a whole nother experience now that you work for a distributor. This is is this your first game reveal since you've been with the pinball company? Yep. So how was it now being on the other side? How'd that feel? stressful these past couple weeks it's been really stressful just from the um i guess the initial release getting delayed and then all these leaks getting out and then you know not really having it doesn't feel like we've had an official i guess an official reveal you know even though it technically was just because everything's just been so discombobulated this whole entire time like my camera going out. Yep, El Gato, no signal. There he is. There he is. But no, so it's, yeah, it's been interesting. It's just, it's one of those things that it's definitely, it's been bumpy. Let's just put it that way. And so we're just kind of like all the other dealers, just kind of waiting back and seeing, okay, you know, they put it out there that the Elwynn game is coming, but we don't know what it looks like besides the one leak that got out. And I say leak. I don't even know if somebody grabbed that from the James Bond website or if they released it. You know, I'm just I'm so confused at this point with what's what that I'm just in a set and wait. And let's just see what ends up coming out next. Apparently, Google found it like there's some there's some smart people on Pinside, but they literally messed around with the filters on Google and found a way to like they were basically searching for photos on. I think it's 007.com or it's like 007fans.com or something. That's where the first two high-res image leaks came from of the Pro and Premium. And they were just messing around with filters. And all of a sudden, boom, there's a picture of the Keith Elwin 40th game or 60th game. Now, what I think is funny is I was doing a stream. So this came out on a Wednesday. That Wednesday night on the Pinball Network, I was doing every other Wednesday, I do a chatting stream. And we were going to go in and talk about Bond. Well, like an hour before we started that chatting stream, that picture shows up. So we're all just trying to wrap our heads around it. And we're really like, is this for real? Is this? And from what I heard, it's like, yeah, that's they pulled it straight from the site that they pulled the other the other photos from. So here we are in my stream chatting about it. It was me, Craig, Bobby, Hottie with Frisco Pinball and Dennis. So the four of us were all talking about Bond. And we started saying a few – well, one of the things in the podcast, the Stern Insider podcast that they announced, Gomez was talking about having score reels in the backbox. And we're like, okay, that's crazy. Score reels? Score reels. Manual score reels in the backbox, yes. Well, this picture, you're looking at the picture, and it just looks like a standard Stern cabinet. And then in the little LCD screen, it showed on the LCD screen score reels. And we're like, are these, are they literally making digital score reels? Like what is going on? Well, then out of nowhere, I look over in the chat and whose name do I see? I see Keith Elwin. Keith Elwin has appeared in our chat. And he said, he said, does that look real? And then he's like, look at the start button in the coin, the coin insert buttons. I was like, what? And you look at the photo, the start button is blank and the coin insert buttons are blank. and it's like he goes does that look real and so that was kind of a straight from the straight from him basically like he didn't say it but he was basically saying like this is not i don't think the the image is like a bitch slap by keith ellen i think he just steered us in the right direction and he's basically what i'm guessing is that's a mock-up i totally think it's a mock-up so i don't know if we can trust the artwork i my guess is and and keith actually reached out to me later he's like the score reels are mechanical. Like there are going to be score mechanical. So I don't know if that means the entire backbox is going to look different or if they're going to stick to the standard form factor, but instead of having an LCD monitor, they'll have something else physically in that same spot to show the score reels. Don't know. But I would just say the one photo that's out there that is going around, I know for a fact it's not 100% accurate. And that's straight from Keith Elwin, which is pretty incredible. So, I don't know, with that said, though, from, I mean, where are you guys at with that? Are you guys, I just, it seems like a lot of people, I mean, they want anything and everything Elwin. So, are you excited about it, but also because of the worry of the price point? Are you trying not to get your hopes up too much? Or, I don't know, what are your thoughts on the Keith Elwin 60th game? I'm excited one of my friends is getting one. Okay. Okay. Is that a fact? Like, you know for a fact somebody's... That is a fact, Joel. Fact. Okay. Is District 82 getting one or is that... No. God, no. All right. All right. They got to keep police force. And then Travis... Yeah I think I be out on the 60th edition just because of rumors of price or something I mean it could be anything I mean, it sounds like there's no set price for it right now from my understanding. But, you know, I think this is going to be very Elvira 40th edition. Yeah, and if Elvira is going to be all over the board. But I saw right now on Facebook, right now there's two new in-box Elvires that are set at like $20,000 plus, $20,000. So you're $20,000, $21,000, even used. So if that's a bar, I mean, I think there's chances Elwynn game is going to be $25,000. I mean, I don't know. Travis, from a distributor standpoint, are you – like how do you even – you don't have to go too far into it, but it's like how do you prepare for that? I would sell the game for $100,000 if I could. Okay. Yeah. I like money, Joel. So three Stern Pros for an Elvira 40th edition. Well, yeah. It's a good game. The thing is, the pricing for the next Elwynn game that's coming out, that's the 60th anniversary, we honestly have no idea. There's no information yet or anything like that. I'm sure that information will start coming out soon enough whenever they reveal the game in full. but I mean, right now we have very little information on it besides that it's obviously probably going to be pricey. I mean, if there's not that many units and it's the 60th anniversary and it's being touted as the fourth tier of this game or the fourth version, I guess you could say, I mean, yeah, it wouldn't shock me if that price point does push above $20,000. But that being said, I have no clue what it looks like. Nothing more than what you guys have talked about here. Yeah, that's crazy. And I would say, I mean, the reveal came out on Thursday. And what did they really do? I would say the videos. It was great seeing high-res pictures. It was great seeing, you know, some high-res video and seeing some of the shots. And it answered a few questions overall. And then we actually saw the LE. I think the LE, I really, I like the colors that are used in that. the powder coating school but it was a surprise that that that gold finger is not was not the game so it but then in this turn insider collect the connected podcast george basically was like well depending on sales the maybe maybe gold gold finger would happen so everybody's hearing that they're like all right they're gonna do just like alvira 40th edition where a year down the road boom here's another le version that's gold gold it's like are they and so the people are already annoyed or upset about that even the concept of the potential of something like that but i don't know i know i'm not i mean i'm just kind of a i'm i'm hoping zach with flipping out it's going to get me a pro that i can stream i'm looking forward to playing that tom i know you said i'm getting a pro from zach yeah we're gonna route it at lumberjack johnny's there you go so and then i mean travis you're saying they're selling but it's it's been a weird reveal it's just been a weird weird reveal. I mean, here's the reality of it. I firmly believe right now there's a lot of customers out there that are very confused just because it hasn't been the normal reveal. And so those of us that are firmly in the pinball community online, just consuming all of that, we're kind of more in tune with, all right, this isn't the normal cadence of the way that Stern puts something out. It just feels like there's just a lot of bumps right now and everything. So when you're trying to market this game to people outside the industry, it's kind of I don't know. It's kind of strange because, you know, it's like, hey, here's the game. It's been revealed. But, hey, the game's not going to be available for you for a few months from now. And now it all of a sudden went from, well, homebuyers wouldn't be able to get their pros till April to all of a sudden now it's been slammed back up to the first run. So that's why I mean, it's confusing. And there's been and I could understand some people's complaints out there that they're that they are confused with what's going on because, you know, there's a fourth tier game coming. They don't know when they're going to get their pro. They don't know when the premiums will be out. They don't know if there'll be another delay. You know, it's just it's a crazy time right now. And this isn't this isn't the normal release that we've seen before. And that much is apparent. So my only thing is, is with James Bond, me personally, I don't know the theme at all. Like I've watched maybe now two or three minutes on YouTube of what James Bond did. So so I'm very much not in tune with the theme. So I couldn't even tell you until I start doing my research if this matches up with what the movies are. I don't know. Have you two watched James Bond before? I not this era of James Bond. And but what I will say is you've seen the Roger Moore stuff, haven't you? I'm like, I'm definitely I think the first one I saw was like what was a golden eye and everything after that. So. But what I will say is when I did the stream, I had David Dennis on and he is actually like a huge James Bond fan. And so he was like, no, this is very, you know, it's very clear. Every bit of art that you're seeing was pulled straight from movie posters. they have assets they have i mean it is very authentic to the sean connery james bond so if you happen to be a huge fan of the sean connery james bond this is perfect or you're loving every bit of it so i don't know i i would say the the official reveal or what we've seen from stern so far was fine it answered some questions but still it's weird though like godzilla godzilla came out and if you hadn't placed an order within the first i don't know 48 hours you're waiting a year plus before you're going to get your game and rush. It was a similar thing. Like I felt like there was this rush essentially to you've got to commit ASAP or else you're going to be waiting forever. But it's just weird. Like right now it's this weird thing of I think everybody's going to wait. Everybody's waiting until, I don't know, when, I mean, the initial thing was a pro run in April, but then George Gomez on Facebook was like, I don't think that's accurate. So how much truth is, I don't know. And we're just, we're in a holding pattern. And, but what I would say, I mean, we're waiting for a stream, but we did get a video. I think it was Pinball News, Pinball News or something had a video. And it's, it was what, it was, how long was it? I mean, it was kind of long. It's 25 minutes long. 25 minutes, but it was one ball, wasn't it? No, no, no, no. He, whoever was playing it, they played a game, I guess, in the first six or eight minutes. and they put up a GC of a little over a billion within six to eight minutes, if I remember right. And then they started another game afterwards. So this was actually, it wasn't the best camera angle. It looks like a camera was kind of held, you know, shoulder kind of above. You could see both the back, the scoreboard. This is totally like old school Tom Graff is on YouTube 15 years ago. 10, 15 years ago. There you go. And you could hear it. And so I don't know. But, Travis, I know I think you were like, I watched it all. What were your initial impressions of what you saw from that video? So I'll say this. When it comes to code and everything, I mean, Lonnie's on the code. I believe Mike is there with him. And historically speaking, we know what's happened with the last two games that Lonnie was on. When it comes to Stranger Things, then it comes to Guardians. Those games did not come out with any type of fleshed out code. They had a long ways to go. and Lonnie eventually got there with it. Guardians is a fun game. Stranger Things is a very fun game. And so I kind of, when I realized that they were on this game, I went into this with the expectations that, okay, the code probably won't be as far along as some of the other games we're used to seeing. I mean, when it comes to an Elwynn game, we're used to it being fleshed out more than usual, more than the normal release. When it comes to a Tim Sexton and Raymond Davidson game, we're used to it being fleshed out. a little bit more. So my expectations, just based on the history, are in check with that. But then I've also heard different people comparing this to Godzilla. I mean, I think Kerry Hardy put out a video comparing it to Godzilla, and now I've heard others starting to talk about that as well. And I just, I don't know if they're seeing a completely different game than me. I don't know if we just have different tastes in gameplay, but I just, I look at this game and I don't believe it's on a Godzilla tier. I wish it was. I wish every game was Godzilla tier because my kid's college would be paid for by next month. I mean, I wish. But just being in reality right now, when I look at the layout, it's an intriguing layout to me. And I think we talked about this based off the very first pictures that we saw that I had told you guys. I felt like the left side was kind of awkward for me just because you don't know where that left shot underneath the flipper, where that was going. And it's really not going anywhere except for rebounding into that scoop eject, right? So it's like a backward scoop thing. And then the left orbit shot is your ramp shot, which I generally like that shot. But my big worry for that is, well, when you start having flipper fade, are you going to get half ramps? And sure shit, That's what we saw on the video, that there started being half ramps. So I don't know. That could be game setup. It could be flip or fade. I don't know what that is. But the left side does concern me a little bit just because it doesn't seem like that there's much there compared to the right side. But, again, you're just looking at design. I'm sure a code can put that together and give you a reason to start going after drops, give you a reason to go up the middle a little bit more. But the right side, though, I'm very intrigued by that. I love that there's a shot in between the side ramp and the right ramp. Like, I love that, especially considering it goes all the way around orbit wise. Orbit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's a badass shot. So it's just I'm curious to see how different people, how different people play this game, though, because it's so left hand dominant. And that's usually people's off hand. Yeah. How are they going to approach those shots on the right hand side? But I think they're going to miss them. Well, after watching this, the ball doesn't drain. Yeah. Did you guys notice that? The Paul looks like they got a freaking film this. I mean, maybe they did. Maybe they did. Yeah. They flew him over. No, it's even the initial video. It wasn't draining. Whoever shot that initial video, they weren't hitting any shots. But yet it was like there was magnets in the play field that refused to let the ball go to Alvane's, which is just that's crazy to me. But that's the way it seemed like. Well, I definitely say a key fundamental that I feel like I learned way late is as soon as you introduce horizontal movement on the play field, that's when the ball is in danger. So to me, it was like I never had a worry about using an upper flipper and to shoot a ball across the play field until I realized after watching a few streams and hearing some people be like, dude, don't take that shot unless you have to, because that's a dangerous shot. and it's very clear that the layout there's a lot to shoot horizontally with that upper flipper so i know initially we kind of had some conversations of this could be a brick fest or this could be a very dangerous shooter because in even the the the scoop on the left you know you're hitting left and falls in the scoop we're like where's that going to shoot if that thing shoots just straight across the play field that could put you in danger so it was surprising that this first stream that we're seeing seems to be the exact opposite where it seems to be a very safe game so i see what you're saying and i i still it's a unique layout i'm really excited to shoot the thing but so i would say okay at least at least there wasn't anything there that that was like awful that i saw um the artwork i like in the high-res photos that i've seen the artwork's actually grown on me a lot i i'm starting to really enjoy the playfield artwork but i will say there were there were two things that really stood out to me watching this stream and it was the LCD screen what oh sorry oh the bond ladies yes no it wasn't quite the camera angle really didn't zoom too well into those inserts but no it was the LCD what was on the LCD screen and then the audio and just talking about the LCD screen it seems very early in code like I know Stern with Stern Insider Connect is all about putting four scores on the bottom. So you have that, but it's just black boxes. And then pretty much the entire time was just Bond video just going. And then they had their left side of the screen. Every time you'd hit the diamond spinner, it was just diamonds flickering. And then every time on the right side of the screen, if you hit the pop bumper, it was like bubbles popping. So I heard a lot of bubbles popping and I heard a lot of a very annoying diamond sound and then the james bond tune for 28 minutes so i all i can hope is this is just super early on maybe it was like we've got to get something so this is playable when we have it at that show that it was supposed to be at but it just i really i i mean the more that i've played or the longer i've streamed i realize how little i actually look at the lcd screen so that it's i mean games that have a great lcd screen or a great layout to me like rush rush actually has a fantastic shout out to ray day because when you look up you know exactly where the information is that you need to see so as you're playing you look up boom i know what's going on with that or i know what's going on how far am i boom boom boom he's the layout there is wonderful well done but this game is just like i don't know i don't know i'm not excited at least where the code is right now but that is something where they absolutely have time to improve on that and then you know i went on a rant about how i felt about the woody spinner and the bow peep loops bell man that diamonds like in the bubbles i mean it's just please i really hope i don't know i know thoughts on that no that's you hit the nail on the head i mean it's definitely something's got to change with that i think it's it's one of those things that okay so since people are comparing this to godzilla let's go ahead and go there then whenever we talk about the godzilla call outs we all celebrate how quirky it is and how campy it is like shoot the wamps like shoot the wamps yeah that's my spirit animal i mispronounce words all the time. So that's awesome right there. You want things that endear you to the game. And whenever you're looking at James Bond and you get that diamond sound over and over and over again, yeah, I don't know. I don't know if that's an audio thing. It's hard to tell off the video. It's very hard to tell at this point. But yeah, it's the bubbles and stuff like that. I'm not really into. I don't know. Maybe diamonds and bubbles are a big thing with James Bond. I mean, And I'm guessing they take a lot of bubble baths or something. Like, what am I missing here? There was an underwater scene. I don't know. Is that what it is? I don't like popping bubbles. Yeah. Well, it's just one of those things. It's obvious that it's very early code. The problem is that whenever you're dealing with very early code, it takes you out of what a game should entirely be. because there's all these things that have to come together to make that game just go. And we're talking design. We're talking shots. We're talking sound. We're talking giving you a reason why I'm hitting the shot. Given that feedback, the audio feedback to you that, hey, this is a jackpot. Hey, this is the perfect shot to hit. All those things really come together. And, you know, the reality is, is looking back again, when we look back at the history of everything none of us really got that from stranger things i mean tom you probably remember this in disc 2020 that was the first time i remember this yep first time we all got to play stranger things and there was a lot of people playing at once and just being like i have no clue what i just played yeah like it just and it gave that vibe and guardians the same thing happened and this is back in i think 2017 at this point or late or early 2018 somewhere right around there but we all remember like the uh the yondu where he's like a booboo yeah whatever it is yeah it's it's like okay you know guys we we have to figure this out here but yeah that's um that's what's concerning with this and i i see this game clear as day it's definitely following that trajectory right now which it could be good could be bad depending on the way you look at it because, again, Guardians and Stranger Things ended up getting very well fleshed out. I mean, Stranger Things got multiple code updates over the years. Yeah. And I could see this game definitely following that pattern as well, since it's the same team behind this. But, again, as much money as these games command right now, the last thing that you want is the software to be lagging behind the design. That's the very last thing that you want. in order to push this product out in order to get it out quickly and efficiently. And at the same time too, if Stern's going to keep producing all these other bangers, I mean, let's look Godzilla. It's the number one game of all time for a reason. And it's still the cells just crush everything. So you're still going to have people that are getting into pinball and they're going to discover that game early on. So the rest of your games that you're bringing up, they too, they have to be up to snuff. They have to be able to hold their own weight. And so I don't know, maybe James Bond. It might be that game come next spring, but I don't know if it's going to be that game this fall, just based off the history of how the software and how this code gets developed. What if it's like monsters? Where it just shallow or just stay shallow? Yeah, I mean, first impressions are everything, though, too. I mean, you know, like you were alluding to, Travis, but, you know, when Munsters came out, it was like, oh, my God, the artwork's amazing. And then, like, people got the game. It's like, this is it? Yeah, the shallow end was amazing. Is the code going to get deeper? It's got to get deeper, right? And never did. Yeah. We all kept swimming in the shallow end. It happens. Yeah. It isn't a shallow end. It is a kiddie pool that you are in. Stay in it and enjoy it. Yes. and I but you know some people love that game and that's fine and I know we've had the same conversation with Toy Story that if they've designed the game that they needed to but I also know that there are plenty of people that bought Toy Story because it was Toy Story Pat Lawler they're all in they get it and then now they're trying to sell that 12,000 plus game and they're sitting at 11,000 I mean people are losing money on Toy Story and that's weird I mean that's there's very few games that people are losing money on these days and obviously nobody wants that with bond especially with such significant price increases that have been put in place but tom did you own guardians and stranger things day one did you write it no beginning no actually i played them out on location i didn't like them just like travis was alluding to before i hated guardians the first time i played it um yeah i absolutely hated stranger things the first time i played it i was hitting that demogorgon and i was like what the hell nothing's going on yeah the game i get you man that's what he felt yeah that's what he really felt yeah no but you know um but as time went on and i got to play more fleshed out code the games really grew on me and that's when i wanted to own them and you know both games are in my my front room you know yeah so but uh yeah i mean i i appreciate them now but at the time when they first came out i thought no this is not what i'm expecting out of a football machine it's weird it's just a weird this is the first i mean i know when godzilla came out it just blew like everybody was blown away and so we're all sitting like good luck good luck to whoever's releasing the next game and then i think Rush really just really surprised people. I mean, really surprised people when it came out. You obviously ever diehard Rush fans like Tom that are in regardless. But then Ray Day and Timmy, what they did with the code, really people are like, holy crap, this game is something. This game really is something. So here we are. I'm not saying it's a dud. It's just this is the first time that we've had a reveal that just seems lukewarm. And people have a lot of faith in Gomez, myself included. I'm excited to play it. I think I I'm excited to feel the layout and see how it flips, but because it is Lonnie, I think people are like, all right, well buckle up. It's probably going to be a little while before this game really gets to where it's, where it's gonna end up. And, um, so you know what, Hey, if you're not getting your game till April of next year, it may be better. You may actually enjoy it more when you get it because they have more time to flesh it out. So we'll see still no announcement on stream. We did talk about like, would it make sense to have it at Expo? And we kind of all said, maybe not, because if this is where the code's at, maybe you don't want people to have a bad first impression. Yeah, I think a lot of people would be disappointed if it wasn't at Expo, but if it's just not ready, probably not a good idea. That happened with Batman 66, right? Yeah. It was like a museum piece. You know, you could stare at it, the Super LE with the rope around it, you know, kind of thing. But, yeah, it'll be interesting to see if there's a bunch of them on the showroom floor or not. And I don't mind that at all either. If they just have an LE there just to show off or a premium there just to say, hey, here's the game, even if people can't play it. I don't mind that necessarily just because if the code isn't ready, then it's just not ready. But if you feel like it ready for go time and you want it to be played by people then by all means put it out and the people in the market will have their say You know they speak with their bank accounts Well you know when you turn the game on it says where they at And obviously with Stern they list it as 1 means feature complete So if there's an insert on the, you know, like Godzilla just got to 1.0, and that's because there was an insert dead center that said King of the Monsters. There was no King of the Monsters wizard mode yet. So now that every insert on the game has its feature complete, that's 1.0 so i think everybody would take a whole you know everybody would just take a big deep breath if if we learned that james vaughn code is at like 0.55 or something you know but if they come out and it shows that it's at 0.87 or something 87 it's like wait what this is you're almost 90 you know i don't know it's i mean it it's a tough thing and the thing with code and with coming up with rules is that there's Stern has, and this goes for every other company as well. Everybody has different teams. And so you're going to have different teams. They're going to have different strengths, different weaknesses. They're going to work together in different ways. So it's just one of those things that I think, obviously, we're in the era to where you're dealing with games that are designed by Keith Elwin and the rule set is by Keith Elwin. I mean, just a tremendous mind. So you get a tremendous game. You're in the era of having Tim Sexton and Raymond Davidson be able to figure out a rule set, figure out a code and get it fleshed out quickly and efficiently from a high level understanding of what makes pinball fun. And so it doesn't mean to say that nobody else knows how to do that because lots of people's games are fun. There's some Dwight Sullivan games out there that are fun, just like we talked about where Guardians and Stranger Things went. They ended up being fun. So people just work at different rates, different speeds. And I think that's the one thing I would tell everybody out there that if they're seeing this and they're thinking, okay, the code is bare bones, just keep that in mind. It's not an excuse. It's just the reality of what the situation is. And Stern has always shown that they'll put a game out. When it's ready to go out, they just put it out. And sometimes the code will be more fleshed out than other times. But that being said, me as a consumer, Yeah, I would love for the code to be – it doesn't have to be near complete because, of course, you can make adjustments. But I would like it to have some depth from day one. I mean, I can't imagine buying a game on PC or console to where it doesn't feel like the game is complete. And that's me just spending $60, let alone trying to spend $7,000 to $12,000. Yeah, Elgato is back. Elgato no signal, man. Yep. No, the only thing that I know for a fact, though, is I feel like there is depth in this game just because of inserts. When you look at the inserts, it looks like there's seven main bosses, seven mini-engineers. It looks like there's a lot of inserts on this game, so there should be a good amount of code here. But how long that's going to take, I don't know. So for all you Bond fans, hopefully we can all be patient through this whole thing. Maybe this game will get fleshed out sooner than later. but you know if you're an le buyer it's probably a weird feeling are you in you out what are you doing and i you know i feel bad for you kinda because i mean if you're an le buyer i don't know it's hard to i i try to relate to tom and that's about as much as i can relate to with with the elitist i'm getting pro i know oh yeah yeah you're a man of the people the game is going to get complete eventually regardless i mean stern they haven't abandoned a game completely since what like wwe maybe i mean every game's gotten to 1.0 right oh you haven't played wwe joel oh then no but that being said like this day and age i mean these games do get complete eventually so it's like it yeah if you're in on an le be confident about that i mean be happy with your purchase and yeah like i said maybe maybe the rule set might not be as deep day one it might not be deep come the third month, but it will get there eventually. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Any other thoughts? Any other thoughts on what we've seen so far on Bond? Let's play it and see how it is. Let's wait and see. Yeah. I mean, well, so Tom just alluded to something I think is interesting. So, Tom, since you usually get LEs, what convinced you to go the pro route this time around? Obviously, you're routing the game, but you did decide not to get an LE. Yeah. I just didn't think there was enough in the game to justify the cost jumping up to a premium or an LE. That was just my thinking. And I've bought pros in the past, but just looking at the game, you know, the magnetic bond that brings the ball around. And then what was the other feature? Oh, the ball lock. Like ball locks, they're cool, yeah, but they don't really interest me all that much. Like if, I don't know. We all know it's the mirrored back glass. I know at the end of the day, Tom, all you want to do is see yourself in your pinball machine, and that's why you buy the LEs for that mirrored back glass. Let me tell you, the mirrored back glasses are really cool. I know. They really are. I mean, I get it. I understand why they don't sell them separately because everybody would buy one. They are really amazing. Yeah, they are amazing. Well, this touches, too, on an interesting subject when it comes to LEs. Let me interrupt you just a second, Travis. What if they made mirror back glasses for pro and premium games, like as an after buy? Everybody would buy them. They'd buy them. I would buy them in a second. They'd make a lot of money. You hear that, Stern? I just made you a ton of money. But it's one less reason to upgrade from a premium to an LE. Exactly. Because everything else, the interreflective flash you can buy. You can buy upgraded speakers. You can buy a shaker motor. It's just that is truly the only thing that you can't get. Tom, just go on Pennside. You can join everybody else on how to just bomb out a business with these ideas. F*** that. but so what what i was going to ask you though what could stern do at this point to entice people to get le's even more since there's been a price jump and i've talked with this with some others that basically they like to have what i guess signatures autographs uh certificates what do you get do you get hd glass let me raise my hand you already get that yeah yeah and then And so what else is there? Okay. Yep. The back glass, HD glass. Right. Shaker motor. Powder coated. Powder coated. Okay. And you get upgraded speakers. So this is perfect then. So you as an LE buyer, what other items could be added to this in order to entice you to want to accept it at the price point where it's at currently? Not just Bond, but any future LE. many maybe thought would be exclusive topper exclusive yeah kind of like exclusive kind of like else could have it that that's an le so like the attack from mars remake their le exclusive topper or that is huge look at the uh the batman super le yeah you know that it has the batman and robin with the what do you call that the batmobile with the bat signal yeah no that's a bit well yeah i guess i did have that but the like the beacon in the middle or whatever the red light tom like you like left cameras just freezing up that's just gibberish i will see we'll see how that sounds on audio but no wonder tom can't afford an le anymore he's got a paper internet so an exclusive topper that was my you know there's already people that are like if you're paying that you should get the topper you should get the banner truth is most i mean tom's buying the banner and the topper regardless but if it was exclusive buying banners what do you have a you have a banner i can see behind you i won that freaking thing you're not gonna buy a rush banner uh i traded my guns and roses uh banner for a rush okay yeah but you'll get the topper you're gonna buy what if what if they they threw a banner in with the entire team signing it oh yeah that'd be awesome like like i think that would be cool i wish they would do something like that because i like the idea that they have the credits on the game and everything that they're given you know credit where credit's due to the entire team i would like to have a banner if i get an le of everybody's signature that worked on the game like to me that would be pretty cool to put up in the game that's pretty cool idea yeah yeah there you go there you go stern right I mean, you say that, though, and I'm pretty sure all the LEs are sold out right now of James Bond. So it's not like they're sitting on a shelf. They're not sold out, Joel. Everybody keeps saying that. They're sold out to distributors. All the distributors have them. Okay. I want to dispel this groupthink that always happens that LEs do not sell out day one. They're sold out through distributors and dealers. but there's always like, I keep seeing posts on Facebook and everything that talks about how, you know, everybody's put down their deposits and there's all these long lines and everything like that. It's like, no, that's not reality. Not, not every company out there, every dealer out there has a list of people. I can tell you straight up. We don't do that, you know, and it's not saying that that's a bad thing or a good thing. I'm just putting it out there that, Hey, here's the reality of it. These, I mean, somebody just bought a Mando LE new in box, just three months ago. Think about that. From a distributor that still had it. So it's like everybody thinks that these games get sold out instantly. Some of them might, like a Godzilla, like some of them might be very, very hard to find or might be priced a little bit higher, but they're always out there. If you search around, you'll find one. Some might be, yeah, priced higher is usually the case, but no, you're right. It's not like all the LEs are already in somebody's home. You know, they are, if you really want one, you could probably find one. Oh yeah. Like I can tell you straight up. We, we still have some Ellie's left. So it's like some people still, still do. It just, it depends. But honestly, if I was a huge Bond fan, I probably would have gotten Ellie, but I'm not. Yeah. Why aren't you a huge Bond fan, Tom? Why am I not? Yeah. Why are you not? I just, yeah. I just haven't seen a lot of the movies. That's all. He doesn't like popping bubbles. You don't like diamonds? I don't really like martinis I just remembered guys I take it back We did watch more Bond I forgot the Loser Kids sent us that video Of James Bond Getting attacked by a snake Or something like that And I was very confused because he was shaving While he was in the bathtub But he had less of a beard Than what I can grow So I didn't understand What was going on in that scene It wasn't his first take. That's the problem. He shaved it off in the first take. And then when he went to kill the snake, I don't know. Why didn't they CGI his beard on there or something? They didn't have CGI back then. What are you talking about? They could, like, glue it on there or something, right? Golly, these lazy movie producers nowadays. Well, yes, James Bond, wait and see. We'll just, I don't know. I'm excited. I'm so excited to see it. But I will say, now that this reveal is kind of out of the way and we're kind of waiting and seeing, one game that i am actually excited for is galactic tank force i don't know why i saw a little bit of the art yeah i saw a little bit of the art at the um what was it the super awesome pinball tailgate party or whatever i saw just a random picture of it and it looks campy and like to me i don't know i like humor in a game so i i'm still i can't wait to get my galactic tank force lunchbox that's really what i'm waiting on and uh you know and go to work with it yeah You're going to have to go back to tank force thermos in it? Yeah. I'll make myself a sandwich, put it in the box, and immediately take it back out. Hey, it could be a great game. You never know. It could be. Looking forward to it. American Pinball makes tanks. They do. Yeah, a tank of a game, usually. I had a Hot Wheels, and it had some issues at the very beginning, but they helped me through it immediately. And after that, it worked perfectly fine, and it was a fun game overall. So, yeah, I look forward to seeing what Galactic Tank Force will be. Maybe it might be something campy like Attack from Mars. I hope so. I hope so. And it's Dennis Nordman, so it's, you know, he's made some great unlicensed games. And let him run with it. I don't know. I have – I'm genuinely looking forward to the game. No idea what I'm going to see, but I hope it's good. And, yeah, we're just – I have no idea timeline there too. What do you want to see, Joel? What do you want to see out of that game? I want fun audio. I want it to be campy. I want it to be humorous. You said Attack from Mars. That's a great example. That is what I'm finding. I don't like super serious games. So things are already called galactic tank force. If this is galactic, it's in space. Tanks, when you think of a tank, it has treads. Why do you need a vehicle that has treads in space? Like already just from the title. Maybe it's all fought on a moon base. Yeah, Joel. Which sounds great. I don't think of that. I don't. This has potential. Have you ever seen the Mars rover, Joel? Jeez. Yeah, but it didn't. The Mars rover wasn't flying through space. It was in a rocket. I don't know. Anyways, we're already. Why do you think that? Hold on. Why does this tank have to be flying right now? Because I think of galactic. What tanks fly? It's not lunar tank force. It's galactic. I'm thinking. Sorry. I'm just thinking. We don't know. We don't know. Well, what's the definition of galactic? Maybe we're wrong. Is this a word you didn't learn in Oklahoma? I mean, what's. No. it says relating to a galaxy or galaxies yeah especially the milky way i don't know maybe it's like a giant tank joel i know it just seems like a milky way it seems maybe when tanks fly yeah do you think dennis norton goes walking into david fix he's like here's the deal i'm ready to go this is my game what do you want what do you want what do you want to do i love tanks and i love space let's do it you know and they just goes i don't know and i don't care because if the game's awesome i'm million dollar decisions like if the game's awesome let's do it and then he goes to franchi franchi do you want to draw art for galactic tank force he goes let's do it let's make the lunchbox he's in he's in i'm in i'm ready to go i'm ready to go i think it sounds really fun i i really hope this is the number one game coming out i hope i hope you see godzilla right there at the top and right below it galactic tank force because why not i mean to me it's just some of these lights i mean i get it licenses sell i totally understand it but if this has a chance to really just blow us away i'm ready you know load it up i'm ready that'll be great so i'm just i'm more confused now than ever but yet i'm more intrigued yeah there you go there you go american pinball if you need me for marketing apparently i'm ready to i just i don't know nor How did they come up with galactic tank force? That's what I'm saying. I like tanks. I like space. Let's do it. It's going to be great. It's going to be great. Man. I don't know. Or it could be awful. It could be so bad. Yeah. It could be terrible. But you know what? I'm excited. Like, I'm excited to see, I don't know. New pinball is always fun. So, well, there you go. There's some fun stuff there. I will hear your transition. Exploding tank. Well, the thing is, too, if it says galactic tank force. Yeah. That infers that there's more than one tank, correct? Do you ever see a tank on a solo mission? I don't think so. I mean, it would be effed up if it did, right? I mean, I did that back in Call of Duty, but that's about it. Fury? Fury with Brad Pitt? Yeah. Check that out. Fury? It's a movie? Is it based off Galactic Tank Force? Is that what you're saying? It's not in space. Just chuck that rocket into space. Shit, I don't want to watch it then. If it's not based in space, I'm all in on this. You've got me convinced, Joel. I hope the Straight Down the Middle guys are doing a commercial for it, and we see Zack and Greg. With a tank helmet? Yeah. Okay. Who would mess with the Galactic Tank Force, though? Who's the antagonist in this story? I want to flesh this out real quick, because you guys got me intrigued before we go. No listener wants this. No. It'll be another. It'll be a survival. Who are you fighting? It'll be either generic aliens. Who else are you going to fight in space? I mean, if we have established space colonies. There might be another human empire out there, Tom. We don't know. Yeah. Haven't you ever seen Moonfall? I just totally ruined that movie for people, but still. There we go. But, you know. I don't know. I'm ready, though. I just – Supposedly, aliens are already living here, so. We don't know, Travis. I don't know. I don't know. Travis, you could be a f***ing alien. I mean, probably am. I don't know. Based on how poorly he knows the English language. All right. So, no, we're trying to figure this out, Joel. Okay? Galactic. We can't figure it out. Well, we know a title. We know dinosaur. It's Milky Way. No, we can break this down. It means Milky Way, right? No. Like the Milky Way galaxy. It's just talking about it. It's relating to it. Sorry. Let's break it down. Tanks in space. Done. Done. That's broken. A tank. We weren't even supposed to talk about it. Joel, force. Multiple tanks in space. Nailed it. I'm ready. Let me plunge that first. So, do you level up your tank? You think that's what happens? It's like you get like photon phasers. Oh, I hope so. Yeah. What are we doing if they don't have that? There's at least a machine gun on it. That would be badass. They better have like a – better be like next generation to where you have like a thing you could shoot and has a laser beam that points to where you're going at with it. That would be sweet. Oh, like a laser pointer built into the game? Yes, that's what a laser beam is, Joel. The more I want it. I told you. I'm excited. I'm genuinely looking forward to seeing this game. and I'm either going to be impressed or very let down and that's fine. So we can level up our tank. That's what we're going to do. We can level up our tank and then you can get more stuff. Now, wait, wait, wait, wait. If it's a tank force, what if we're not actually the tank, but we're like the commander of the tank force? Oh Lord. So we basically leadership position. I mean, you know, it's a fantasy world, Joel. We're just going to go along with this. Yeah. I don't know, man. I don't know. We're doing stuff here, Joel. Everybody else is like, GGF, all this and that. We are fleshing out the game for the listener right now. We're figuring this out. You give me a generic theme. It's like, what do you want? Do you want a castle? Do you want some cowboys? No, give me galactic tank. That sounds cool. There's cowboys in the game? No, yes. Yeah, let's just throw them all in there. We're fighting. Cowboys versus aliens again. With my tank. All right. Okay. Well, hey, I hope we hear more. Are we done talking about Galactic Tank Force? I don't know. This is completely made up. No listener wants to hear three guys literally make up stuff. We're just making it up. We're not making up stuff. What are you talking about? I see people put rumors out all the time that I'm sort of flat out false, and I watch all of pinball run with it. So, I mean, we might as well just go with this. Okay. All right. All right, you guys heard it here first. Joel said that in Galactic Tank Force, They're going to be a team, and you can level up your tanks. The flying tanks, it's got a laser beam pointer in it. I think Franchi actually shows up to your house every time you hit start. With the lunchbox. With the lunchbox, yep, yep. I'm dead serious. Even if the game is awful, if they sell a lunchbox, I will buy it. This game can't be awful, Joel. It can't be at this point. I'm just saying, there is no reason I will not buy that lunchbox. It will happen. because I want somebody to be like, why do you have a lunchbox? Oh, that's a pinball machine. You don't own it? No, the game's awful. So why do you own it? I mean, I just want it. How do you know it's going to be awful? I don't know it. I'm just saying even if it's awful, I'm buying the lunchbox. It could be amazing. So here's the transition. We're done. We're moving out of this. We're transitioning to the next thing. The reason I'm bringing this up is my favorite game, which is sitting right next to me, is Total Nuclear Annihilation. It is a non-licensed theme. It's sitting right here. I have TNA merch. I made a custom TNA hat. I am all in. So that's an unlicensed theme and it's incredible. So maybe Galactic Tank Force one day will sit right next to it. I don't know. I'm going to predict the future here. What? That I'm going to like Galactic Tank Force? You're going to sell TNA to Galactic Tank Force? You know why I won't sell TNA? Scott Dendese is going to show up to his house and kick him square in the nuts too when that happens. There's two reasons why I won't sell TNA. Reason number one is I've sold it before. I've sold it before and I know what it feels like. And I wanted it back and I got it back. So I'm not making that mistake again. And reason number two. Two Judge Dredds and two Starship Troopers. Reason number two is my name is now officially in the game. Yeah, thank you for the jazz hands, Travis. Yeah, I know. I'm late to the party. Tom's initials are in the rush. code travis's initials are in the led zeppelin code oh which you didn't know which i didn't know because a couple hours ago yeah i was trying to make fun of me i'm like what are you talking about right now i came into our group chat i'm like tom and i are over here you know with our names in the game how are you doing travis he's like my name's in zeppelin i was like oh crap but actually i defended travis's honor there yeah thank you tom thank you so i mean huge shout out i think ray day and Tim were involved in getting both of your names in there. But I know Scott, Scott is an awesome dude, super nice, and I've been working with him or talking with him for quite a while now. And yes, at the end of the day, what's happened is Scott is working on new code or adding, he is constantly adding to this game. So being that Spooky has these literally on the line or about to be on the line, he's trying to put more in the game So one thing that he actually coded in the game is a jukebox mode so if the game in free play you can just walk up to it hold both flippers in for five seconds and boom you now have a jukebox with arguably some of the best music in pinball if you just want to rock out yeah just rock out you can so i think that's awesome but what's really really cool is back i don't know a year plus a while ago i was actually watching chuck work on straight down the middle play big games and he has a custom ROM in big games where when he hits the spinner, I saw on one of the other displays, it was counting. It was count big game, big game. Yes. It was counting how many spins or spinner rip, like when he ripped the spinner, how many spins you actually get. And I was like, that is awesome. So he's like, Oh yeah, the best I've ever had is whatever, 41 or 70, whatever it was. It's just like, it was a game within the game. So at the time I saw it, I immediately messaged Scott and I was like, Scott, I don't know if you know this, but in some of these older games, there are people that make custom rounds and they add that feature of a spinner rip like feature and i think that's awesome you know tna has a left spinner you should add that to your game and he was like not a bad idea i'll put it on the list and as time went on i i randomly would bring it up here and there in conversations with scott and scott actually pulled one on me because he said hey i don't think i'm going to be able to get it in the game i was like oh okay that's that's you know it's fine it's his game i'm not and then lo and behold i'm actually doing some beta code testing for him and he shows me that he did put it in the game so now it tracks your when you hit the spinner you'll see on screen it'll say spinner rip and it'll count how many you have and my name joel bob is the default spinner rip so i'm officially in the game are you you're welcome yeah it's released it's beta codes it's out there right now you could go download so what you're saying is joel is you beat scott down enough with your conversation just that he finally said i was I'm thinking the same thing, Travis. I need to get rid of this guy. I'll just put Joel Bob in the game. Just warm him out. I got to put it in the game. No, he's – it's been really cool. Like I actually – I've done some other stuff with him, and he's such a nice guy. Super humble. I mean, I love his game. And, yes, it was really neat. I mean, he asked some other stuff. He's like, hey, one thing that TNA also has is when you hit the mystery award, it'll flash, like scroll through mystery awards, and a bunch of them you can't get. Like they're jokes. like game over like they're jokes so he's like do you have any suggested you know mystery award stuff so he's he's all about making this game as fun as possible so props to him even now I don't know if Scott will technically ever be done with the TNA code it's like clearly his baby and he continues to want to make it even better and better I actually replaced I replaced the the the display up in the core the upper area where it now has two extra leds so he added more lights i mean it's just he's constantly adding to this game so i don't i wanted uh i wanted to say so thank you scott if you happen to be listening absolutely i mean thank you so much for putting that in game i think that's awesome otherwise hey if you update your tna and you see my name now you have something to beat so have fun so now what we're saying is because we have our initials or names in different games. Yep. Do we have a triple drain logo? No. On any of the codes or anything? I mean, yeah. If anybody from Stern wants to put one in, let me know. I will make that graphic for you as soon as you want, and you can put it in the game. It would be great. Yeah. Might as well just beg. Just beg now. Yeah. Who do we have the best chance with? I don't know. Rated key. Somebody, please. Yeah. I don't know. What game do we need to shill? I don't think we're going to be on the Bond one. No. Probably Deep Root. I don't know. But, hey, well, speaking of logo, speaking of logo, this is actually kind of big. This is where we're going to get a little chilly. When we formed Triple Drain, it was kind of like, let's do this. Well, my undergrad was graphic design. I literally over like one evening just kind of put together a logo for us real quick, tried to put together something so that when the first episode came out, it seemed somewhat professional. And we've been rolling with that logo. We actually have merch on Silverball Swag with that logo. I think we've sold like five shirts and two of those shirts were Domini, but that's fine. And for the people that did buy it, thank you. I think that's incredible. Thank you. Thank you for the support and buying that logo. But I, as an artist somewhat have always been somewhat embarrassed of it and wanted like wanted cooler merch. I really wanted cooler stuff. Well, Jackson Gee, Jackson Gee actually did all the Yagpin art and Yagpin was a really awesome tournament up in, up in Canada. And I saw that art and it blew me away. I was like, who is this artist? This is all new art in the pinball world. And I immediately reached out to him and I was just like, Hey, is there any way you listen to triple drain? And he, and he responded back quick. Like, yes, I actually really enjoy the podcast. It's fantastic. So we started up a conversation. I started talking with Travis and Tom and I was like, guys, would you be willing or interested in putting in money towards actually designing some official Triple Drain merch? And we were like, sure, let's do it. So it wasn't cheap. Jackson definitely worked with us on that. It wasn't cheap, but we are happy to do it. And I will tell you, he blew us away with the final results. So now we actually have a new logo as well as a really cool graphic of us being like a three-headed Hydra, which, you know, if you look at each head, it's kind of clear who's who. And overall, I love it. I'm stoked. I'm currently working with Will at Silver Balls Chronicles to get everything figured out. So by the time this podcast airs, it should be there. If you go to Silver Ball Swag, I say Silver Ball Chronicles. I am so sorry for insulting that website by saying that awful podcast. But Silver Ball Swag, Silver Ball Swag, if you go to silverballswag.com and go to triple drain you should see all of our new stuff so we have the hydra shirt we have our normal logo both white and full color if you guys see anything and there's any particular apparel that you want if you want a triple drain shower curtain let me know i can make that happen but um overall i don't know you guys you guys were basically like joel you you you work with jackson on this and i was happy to what an awesome dude to work with but i don't know your initial impressions by seeing even just the sketches and stuff that he he had sent in I liked it. I liked it also. Yeah. What I'm realizing is I was the picky one. I was the one like, what about this? Could you tweak this? And I don't know. I just, I respect the heck out of him. So one for his patience for working with me. And two, I mean, just the overall final product he produced is fantastic. So if there's any other content creator, whether it's in pinball or not, definitely reach out to Jackson Gee, G-E-E, Jackson Gee. Otherwise, just check out his website. The guy actually has some really amazing art. A lot of retro stuff, like older movies, stuff that he's recreated. There's like Deadpool stuff, X-Men stuff, Star Wars, Jurassic Park, a whole bunch of cool posters and stuff. So check him out. He's also working on a pinball-focused clothing line that he hasn't announced yet. But when he does, I will definitely mention that. So he has other pinball-related apparel that he's going to make. So definitely check out that merch. Feel free to buy it. If you do, wear it, tag us in it or whatnot. But hey, any support would be awesome. But truthfully, I just want more Jackson Gee artwork out in the world. I'm just happy that it happens to be Triple Drain specific. So there you go. There's shill number one. And I'm trying to figure out Travis is very particular on his hat and Tom is very particular on his T-shirt. So hopefully we're going to get, you know, nice quality apparel for everybody to enjoy. shill number two shill number two patreon patreon we we've talked about this a lot we've we've actually talked about this a lot and if everybody if anybody listening right now tunes out i understand but the truth is that the doing the podcast takes time i mean the three of us have to coordinate a time we usually record for yeah i don't know roughly two hours after the podcast is over i usually edit and it takes at least as long for me to edit it normally an additional hour on top of that. So another two hours of editing plus an additional hour. So I don't know, minimum every episode, we're looking at like five plus hours worth of work and it's fun work. It's fun work. I know I enjoy it. Tom enjoys it. Travis, he loves it. I can tell. I'm here. Well, and I will say when we have people that come to us in a show or at a tournament and say they enjoy the podcast or the message, we get emails or Facebook, like truly that means the world to us. When we hear people say, we love what you're doing, or we've enjoyed your, or we, you know, we're laughing with you guys, like, or you can laugh at us. I don't care. But if we're bringing joy and positivity into this hobby, I'm happy. I'm a part of it and happy to do the work. And what it is is Patreon is a website that's meant for creators for a way for you to support them. So feel free to go. If you go to patreon.com, Patreon is P-A-T-R-E-O-N. If you go to patreon.com and search triple drain we're going to be the only triple drain pinball pockets is right there and you have the ability to basically select a tier and it's just a financial amount whatever you want to throw us or support us with travis's camera went out again so whatever you were going to say throw another dollar in so we can actually get this guy some working equipment but the truth is that's what that's perfect time all of this equipment we bought out of our own pocket, even just buying a, paying a good artist for quality merch, all that came out of our pocket. And, you know, we're happy to be a part of this podcast, but Hey, if anybody listening wants to support us in that, what we will tell you is any money we make, it just goes right back into the podcast. So whether it's for better merch or to improve the equipment that we have or anything like that, that's our goal right now. So any money that we make on Patreon truthfully, step number one is just pay off the bill that we just accumulated by designing new merch. But once we get through that, we'll be honest. We'll be, you know, we'll be happy to share that. So the goal is not to try to put Travis's kids through college. Or his anime porn habit. But, but my thought is like, I would love to do a giveaway, send somebody a comfy, you know, or try to get, how do we get Keith Elwin a triple drain shirt so he can wear it at the next tournament? He's at, you know, that kind of stuff. It's just we want to have more fun. But at the end of the day, we're already putting forth a lot of time. Tom needs more L.E. Yeah, Tom needs more L.E. Yes. But it's just it's hard to justify putting in more money into this, which is it's fun. You give us money. Tom buys L.E. Please give us money. That's how we're doing this. So we can keep. Yes. So we can keep having a good time. But so it's there. Patreon.com. Triple Drain. We already. To be honest, this has gone live already. We did a Facebook announcement. It was on Pinside. And we already have I think we're currently at 13 people. And that even now, I mean, basically, you're just paying Joel and I to deal with Travis. And that's good. I think that's a valid reason. I think it's a valid reason. So 13 people. That is awesome. Like I was so humbled by seeing that even in the first two days. It's absurd. Like even the fact that there are 13 people that would support us. What I will say, I mean, we don't usually share numbers on TPN, but I know every one of our podcasts gets well over 2,000 listens. And that's awesome. Like, it's absurd to me that there's 2,000-plus people that want to hear the three of us talk. Like, that doesn't make any sense. I don't want to listen to Travis talk. It could be the same five people just hitting play on Zoom. Just over and over again. I don't know. And it's across the world, which is insane to me. So if you're listening and supporting and enjoying this show, thank you. Thank you for listening to us babble. But here for the diehard fans, feel free. Feel free. Patreon's out there. How I told myself is I have a few podcasts, like a Collected Gamers podcast is one of them. The Pinball Show is one of them. Every single time it hits my podcatcher, I basically drop what I'm doing and I'm listening to it. And if we happen to be at that level for you guys, feel free to join the Patreon. That's all I can say. There's my shill. There's my pitch. and i travis has a quite a weird what are you just i just i'm making sure that your pants aren't like too tight right now you mind right now i i it i i'm it's absurd to me that i'm sitting in a basement in indiana travis is in wisconsin not travis tom's in wisconsin travis is in st louis travis is literally sitting in a closet he's in a closet okay and the three of us are rambling and there's over 2000 plus people that want to hear it. That's crazy to me. I think it's awesome. So thank you for all of our listeners and supporters. I think it's incredible. But what Joel is trying to tell everybody out there. Thank you. That's what he's trying to say. I think I did in his Joel way. Yes. I just, I'm just, I'm worried for you right now. You're getting so fired up right now. You're like what people can't see. You got like a giant smile on your face while you're saying it. It's awesome. You're in total disbelief. I mean, I enjoy streaming. Tom, you've streamed some major tournaments. And when you look down and you see that close to 200 or 200 more people are watching your stream, and now all of a sudden people are gifting subs, like that's something streaming and Twitch does incredibly well. You can do bits. You can do subs. You can, like, support the stream. Thank you for these seven-plus hours of entertainment that you've been giving me today. It's awesome that it's built in. Podcasting, there isn't anything like that. So that's where Patreon steps in. And it just – I'm telling you, it's – yeah, it's the three of us looking at each other and rambling. So when we get that outside feedback, it's always surprising to me. It's always surprising. The pinball industry happens to have some pretty cool people in it. I think that's what you're saying. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Cool people. Yeah. Like 99.9% outside of David Dennis. They're all really cool. Which, yeah, somebody actually asked that. They're like, what happened? Did something – I defended it on pin side. feel free to check it out we're just joking about david dennis you know tom as as a streamer that streams large tournaments it is incredibly humbling when you get that type of feedback absolutely it's awesome makes you feel like you have friends so we'll have to tell travis what that's like makes you feel good wow i've been nice to you joel for like at least the past two minutes you've been on a good you've been on a good behavior the last two two episodes but hey Tom, get, get your, uh, your little thing ready. Hey, you ready? Wait one time. He's going to cuss me out. Okay. Go ahead. Yep. Okay. Fuck you, Joel. Oh, we missed it. It only works when, when you put whatever. Anyways. All right. So that's my, that's the end of my shill. So yes, check out our merch on silver ball swag. Check out our Patreon, Patreon underscore. Yeah. Just search triple drain. You'll find it. There are other Patreons out there for other cool podcasts, like a collective gamers. and server ball chronicles made one too so yeah just support whoever you want if you don't that's fine we'll love you just the same um so that's point number five point number six i'm handing it off there's a number six well i forgot the number six but look at the last one i'm handing it off to tom tom you got something big coming up next week yeah the pinball super series at District 82 pinball. It's going to be awesome. Six tournaments. A lot of pinball, Thursday through Sunday, starting Thursday night at 5 p.m. So there's a knockout tournament. There's a bunch of knockouts and match play tournaments. But it's something you really got to check out. So basically, we're all playing in these tournaments, and it's a series. So depending on how well you do over the six tournaments, we add up basically points towards your ranking in each tournament, and you can win money. There we go. Actually, Eric is paying out the top 20 people, and the pinball company is helping out by helping pay the top three people as well. uh in the series so it's it's really cool and you'll be streaming it fox cities i will definitely be streaming it on fox cities pinball on twitch fantastic i think that will be around 88 to 90 whoppers is that what it is for first place estimate it and i think there's like 150 152 people signed up something like that with a bunch of people still on the wait list I think it was something like 45 or 48 of the top 100 players. Yeah. Or signed up for this. Something crazy like that. I mean, that's like a major right there. Yeah, there's going to be some tough competition. No, that sounds awesome. That sounds really – so I know basically anybody from Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, I mean, there will be plenty of awesome high-end pinball to watch on Twitch. So Fox Cities Pinball. Check it out. Show them some love. Throw in those bits and those subs and all that. Should be a good time. I know the two of you obviously are playing in it, so good luck with that. I wouldn't exactly call it playing. Well, no. What are you talking about, Tom? I'm going to win all six tournaments. I kind of figured that. That's what I was saying. I don't know why everybody else is even showing up. Jeez. All right. Well, I think that's it. I know we wanted to record a quick one, really just to – quick one, an hour and a half. just to uh yeah share our thoughts on cleap and bond we wanted to mention super series and all that so um yeah but mainly to sell our merch we really wanted to do that so yeah yeah yeah we're hoping we're pulling on the heartstrings and everybody's like do i do i really need that cup of coffee right you don't need that cup of coffee tom needs his le you don't need coffee Tom needs his LE. Jesus, God. We just – no. We just – we're going to go down. We have 13. We're going to go down, patrons. Send us an email to tripledrain at gmail.com. Let us know what you guys think. Well, what is funny is on Patreon, if you do unsubscribe to somebody, you're supposed to give a reason why. I can't wait for the first reason to be like, Tom doesn't need an LE. That's all they write. All right. Well, let's roll. Let's wrap it up. Unless, Tom, did you have anything particular you want to say? I can hit the button if you need your cue. No, I'm good. I already talked. All right. Then we'll just do the outro. I got nothing. Travis has given me the evil eye. Travis is confused. Yeah, I am. Joel, so, Joel, for sure, you know which Twitch stream to watch this upcoming weekend for tournament pinball, right? Okay. All right. I'm just going to get ahead of this, okay? I'm just going to steal your thunder. I'm just asking. I'm just asking a question. I know that Carl D'Python Anghelo streams tournaments on IE Pinball, okay? I get it. I just didn't realize that. What was it? Pinball lab or whatever that was. Pinball at the lab. Pinball at the lab. I didn't realize pinball at the lab equals Carl D'Python Anghelo. That's what I missed. So somebody's like, you got to watch people at the lab. I said, what's the stream. And Chuck work comes in with this quick whip quip of like, Oh, what a sad day for somebody not to know who Carl D'Python Anghelo was. I'm like, Oh, yeah. So yes. Got it. Got it. I got any other dig you want to make? No, I was just making sure you knew like super series. I was just making sure you knew, you know what to watch. Hey, wait, Hey, feel free to plug Travis. Something that I can see your content. You can see me on. No, Travis, where do we see your content? What do you have to plug? I'm on this shitty podcast. We got nothing. He's got nothing to plug. Travis. That's not that I'll plug. Okay. Yeah. I plug triple drain every single time. Yeah. Nobody. Yeah. Have you noticed how the three of us, I'm the only one that plugs our stuff. You're already listening to the show, Travis. Well, that's like Tom getting a Super Series and being like, hey, guys, have you heard about Super Series? And they're like, we're here. We're already freaking here. Okay. Well, you word it like that. It makes sense. But still, you know. Okay. All right. I'm going to try that, but I'm going to do it to Luke. All right, Tom. Hey, have you heard about Super Series? Tom, feel free to plug me in. I think I already did but you can find me at Five Cities Pinball on Twitch YouTube, Instagram and Facebook all the stuff I will not do tic tac at least yet I stream for the Pinball Network every Wednesday night from 10 to midnight Eastern Standard Time check out the chatting streams we had a really fun chatting stream it's on YouTube about the bond reveal that was a good time then i shoot for flipping out every other thursday i do this silly podcast and i have my own podcast just on the pinball podcast that i haven't done in a while but hopefully we'll record an episode sometime soon but if you don't know burn that bridge well if you don't know when stern releases a new game they don't talk to media for a month like that's their new rule so if everybody's going where's the bond info a month it's like Like they – there's a word for that. Well, that only makes sense because they're trying to get you to buy their all-axis. Which I did. Which I did. You get a cool coin. Nate Shivers is better than Joe. Wait, you got a what? You get a coin. You get like this little – it was like gold. It was a cool coin. You missed out on the coin? Yeah, I didn't get a coin. I got a coin. Is this like the $39.99 thing? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's like new. I used to be a member. I don't think I am anymore. If we get enough patron money that we can pay off our art bill and then maybe we'll put that towards Insider Connect accounts for all of us so we can stay on top of the news. You know? Yeah. That sounds like a great idea. Yeah. All right. Well, thank you, Travis, for being here. And Tom, you get the last words. Hey, see you later. _(Acquisition: groq_whisper, Enrichment: v3)_ --- *Exported from Journalist Tool on 2026-04-13 | Item ID: 79e1806e-2584-4019-9595-27e2e82202a2*