# The Pinball Roundtable - LIVE from Tempe, Arizona **Source:** JBS Live **Type:** video **Published:** 2025-09-02 **Duration:** 184m 8s **Beat:** Pinball **URL:** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUzz2tgm94o --- ## Analysis JBS Live hosts a casual roundtable discussion from Tempe, Arizona featuring Jamie Burchell, Retro Ralph, Kale Hernandez, and Rachel. The episode covers a humorous incident from the prior night's Chewies tournament where Jamie joked about magnetic playfield lights being a performance-enhancing device, leading to a confrontation with another player (Greg). The hosts debate whether auxiliary lights should be banned in tournament play, discuss their favorite Keith Elwin games, and touch on Dune Pinball's recent code improvements. ### Key Claims - [HIGH] Magnetic playfield lights provide a significant competitive advantage in dark games like Fear of the Dark and Creature from the Black Lagoon — _Jamie Burchell, debating tournament light usage; supported by Kale's acknowledgment that lights help visibility on dark games_ - [HIGH] IFPA has no official rule banning auxiliary lights; tournament directors can set their own policies — _Hosts discussing state-by-state/venue-by-venue regulation; mention of California players saying 'no headlamps' at their tournaments_ - [MEDIUM] A serious female player requires a light due to vision difficulties and cannot play pinball without one — _Kale mentioning the player has medical/accessibility needs; hosts discussing whether medical exceptions should apply_ - [HIGH] Dune Pinball's beta code with call-outs is significantly improved compared to earlier versions — _Kale stating he played new beta code at a friend's house and 'the game is much much better'_ - [HIGH] Godzilla has sold 27,000+ units and is Stern's best-selling title ever — _Knowledge base confirms Godzilla sold 27,000+ units; not explicitly stated in this episode but hosts' casual references suggest familiarity_ ### Notable Quotes > "It is an absolute performance-enhancing and IFPA needs to ban this." > — **Jamie Burchell**, ~19:30 > _Jamie's direct stance on magnetic lights; sets up the main debate topic_ > "Fear of the Dark is effing dark and your boy spent $10 on Amazon and he gets to say... and then he takes it. That's just so ridiculous." > — **Jamie Burchell**, ~22:00 > _Specific example of Jamie's complaint; illustrates the selective advantage players gain_ > "Right now it's kind of like states rights. Right now it's up to the TD or the tournament organizer." > — **Host (Kale or Ralph)**, ~28:00 > _Clarifies that light regulation is decentralized and venue-dependent_ > "My favorite Ellen right now I'm playing Iron Maiden a ton. I love the flow of it, the simplicity of it." > — **Retro Ralph**, ~40:15 > _Ralph's favorite Keith Elwin game; casual discussion of game preferences_ > "Jaws, King Kong, Godzilla right now... my top three Elwins... King Kong flows so good." > — **Kale Hernandez**, ~42:30 > _Kale's ranking of recent Elwin titles; indicates positive reception of King Kong_ > "The game is much much better... than when I first played it." > — **Kale Hernandez**, ~46:00 > _Positive assessment of Dune Pinball's improved beta code with call-outs_ ### Entities | Name | Type | Context | |------|------|---------| | Jamie Burchell | person | Host of JBS Live roundtable; player and content creator; initiates debate on playfield lights | | Retro Ralph | person | Co-host of JBS Live roundtable; competed in Chewies tournament; prefers Iron Maiden | | Kale Hernandez | person | Co-host of JBS Live roundtable; competed in Chewies tournament; played King Kong; provided Dune Pinball feedback | | Rachel | person | Production assistant/co-host at JBS Live; helped identify technical issues; attended tournament | | [name withheld pending review] | person | Tournament player who uses magnetic playfield light; remains calm when confronted; described as levelheaded | | Kelly Mo | person | Wife of Greg; initially defended use of playfield light; relayed Jamie's comments to Greg | | Travis Mosman | person | Designer of Dune Pinball; mentioned as being in chat during discussion; known to the hosts | | Amanda | person | Tournament player who beat Jamie Burchil at Simbad; participated in bounty knockout | | [name withheld pending review] | person | Chat participant of unknown background; hosts express curiosity about identity and intent | | Vic_VP | person | Pinball content creator at venue; played King Kong; speculated about Star Wars trailer timing | | Electric Bat Arcade | venue | Venue in Tempe, Arizona where Chewies tournament was held; hosts reference multiple games and matches | | Chewies Tournament | event | Knockout tournament held at Electric Bat Arcade; Jamie and Ralph each lasted 8 rounds | | Keith Elwin | person | Legendary Stern designer; hosts discuss favorite Elwin games including Iron Maiden, Jaws, King Kong | | Iron Maiden | game | Keith Elwin design; Ralph's favorite; has a magnetic light in his collection | | King Kong | game | Keith Elwin design; Kale's favorite; praised for flow and shot design including pterodactyl attack | | Dune Pinball | game | Barrels of Fun game; recent beta code update with call-outs significantly improves gameplay per Kale | | Fear of the Dark | game | Iron Maiden pinball game featuring very dark playfield; primary example of game where light provides advantage | | Creature from the Black Lagoon | game | Dark-themed pinball game; cited as another game where auxiliary light improves visibility | | Sinbad | game | Game where Jamie played tournament match affected by opponent's light; Amanda beat Jamie at this game | | Attack from Mars | game | Williams/Bally classic; mentioned as having strobe multiball mode negated by auxiliary lighting | | Jaws | game | Keith Elwin design; Kale's second-favorite Elwin game | | Godzilla | game | Keith Elwin design; Kale's third-favorite Elwin game; highest-ranked on secondary market | | Eureka Heights | venue | Tournament venue where no-lights rule will be enforced per Jamie's statement | ### Signals - **[community_signal]** Significant community discussion emerging around whether auxiliary magnetic playfield lights should be regulated or banned in tournament play; decentralized enforcement across venues with no official IFPA rule (confidence: high) — Extended roundtable debate with multiple perspectives; hosts noting that some venues ban lights while others allow them; IFPA stance described as permissive - **[gameplay_signal]** Auxiliary lighting significantly impacts gameplay balance on dark games, potentially disadvantaging players without lights; raises accessibility vs. competitive fairness tension (confidence: high) — Jamie's argument that lights nullify game design intent in Fear of the Dark; Kale acknowledging lights would help with Creature from the Black Lagoon visibility - **[community_signal]** Serious competitive female player requires auxiliary light due to vision difficulties; raises question of medical exemptions vs. competitive parity (confidence: medium) — Kale mentioning unnamed player who 'cannot play pinball without it'; debate about whether medical documentation should be required - **[code_update]** Dune Pinball beta code update with integrated call-outs significantly improves game experience and playability (confidence: high) — Kale stating 'the game is much much better' after playing new beta code at friend's house with call-outs - **[product_concern]** Ambiguity around auxiliary light regulation creates confusion and potential conflict at tournaments; some players view it as unfair advantage, others see legitimate use cases (confidence: high) — Jamie's joke escalating into confrontation with Greg; need for clear TD policies noted; different venues implementing different rules - **[gameplay_signal]** King Kong praised for excellent shot flow and strategic design elements like the diverter and pterodactyl attack shot (confidence: high) — Kale describing how King Kong 'flows so good' and praising specific shot mechanics; noting it's close to his favorite among recent Elwin titles - **[design_philosophy]** Keith Elwin's recent game designs (Jaws, King Kong, Godzilla) valued for flow, shot design, and accessible gameplay mechanics (confidence: high) — Hosts' unanimous positive assessment of three latest Elwin titles; specific praise for shot design and playfield flow - **[content_signal]** JBS Live streams generating substantial VOD viewership; Chewies tournament VOD exceeded 1,000 views; hosts experimenting with chat integration features (confidence: medium) — Hosts mentioning 1,000+ VODs from Chewies tournament; current stream showing 32 viewers with brand new channel - **[event_signal]** Bounty knockout format used at Electric Bat Arcade Chewies tournament; $6 entry with $5 chip wagering system (confidence: high) — Jamie explaining bounty knockout rules; he and Ralph each lasting 8 rounds with goal of 10 rounds - **[rumor_hype]** Speculation about Star Wars pinball trailer release timing; community expects reveal either Tuesday or Wednesday following Labor Day weekend (confidence: medium) — Vic BP suggesting live stream day before media day; hosts discussing Stern's typical Tuesday/Thursday pattern for teasers/trailers --- ## Transcript Today, the JBS Roundt is live from Tempe, Arizona. Will the host be recording poolside? And will we see if Retro Ralph's rug matches the carpet? We know Jamie Burchil smells good with his bougie diva soap. Will we see Kale Hernandez in a speedo? Or will he just rage quit these divas? Find out how these three kings played in the anniversary tournament on this week's JBS round table. [Music] Here we go. [Music] Can I I can do I can do sound effects. Yeah, you can do sound effects. Hey everybody, how's it going? Hey, welcome to the Pinball Roundtable. I'm Jamie Burch, Retro Ralph, Kale Hernandez, Rachel. We are We are live. We're here. We are here. Who's here? And well, those people here right now. Yeah, there's a couple people here. We got Laura West and I don't know how to say that that other name. Vic VP is here. Oh, Vic Pitball Studio is here, too. I hung out with Vic at uh at Stern. Yeah. Yeah, we did. He put up a good number on Kong. Good people. So, we're here at I'm here in Phoenix, Tempe, Arizona, hanging out with Ralph and Kale and Rachel at the bat. And it is Labor Day. It's Labor Day. And uh we thought, why not do a live round table? Well, the people asked for it. They did. We asked them and they said we wanted to do it. They did. So, we were like, "All right, fine. Let's do it then." And that's why we're here. Does it real quick? Does anybody know who Christopher Tanche is? I don't know. He likes our streams. Is that a Is that like someone posing as Ranchie? I don't know what that is. I have no idea. I want to know though. I want to know who he is. Can you put the chat up on the big screen? I think so. Yeah. Let's see. Uh no, I cannot. But it's okay. But I can put on my But you can monitor the chat, right? Yeah, I got it right here. We got uh I was just watching I was just watching the Chewies tournament. So DJR Pinball said, "I was just watching the Chewies tournament at the bat over on Twitch." So that's cool in replay. So that's that's awesome. I mean, uh, Kale just told me this morning had over a thousand VODs. I know. Isn't that fantastic? Good. This morning this morning, this morning when I woke up, I can't believe that many people were watching us. The only thing that concerns me about the VOD is when me and you took over and he became the certified rig mover at the end. I'm a little concerned about, you know, were we a little too much for the audience? No, not at all. And and I gota be honest, a lot of those older games, I don't know the rules. So I'm like, "All right, he hit the three drop targets. Looking pretty good. Think we're in the 2x multipliers. What do you think, Jamie?" And Jamie's like, "None of what you said is true." You know what happened is my shoulders hurt a little from carrying Ralph on that stream. Can I be honest with you? You think so? No. Well, I would just change the subject. I'd be like I'd be like, I know we're here to No. No. I have an empty can of Zens over there. I'm going to have to ask Rachel to get me a Zen. You need one that bad right now? Yeah. Going. Yeah. Oh my gosh. All right. So, hey, we got a question from Michael already. He said, "Do d you think we're getting Star Wars tomorrow the trailer the full trailer? I have no idea. But what do we think? What do we think? I don't know. I'd be I'd be kind Thank you. Oh my god. It would There she is. There she is. She's here. Uh what what does Stern usually do? I really don't keep up with all this. Well, so they usually do like a Tuesday trailer, a Tuesday teaser, and I think it's like either th It's usually a It's usually Tuesday, Thursday. That's their combo. And then they're ready ready to ship. Yeah. So this time they did Thursday. I think they did the teaser Thursday. So now it's Tuesday. So are they going to do it in the like do maybe the trailer tomorrow? I hope so. I'm ready to see this thing. I am too. I want to see it so bad. Yeah. That really offset check doesn't pop up on here. That's so sick. Oh, no. We can make it do that. You think you can? Yeah, but let's not screw with it now. Look. No, it doesn't work. It will. No, it will. You All right, forget it. You just want to do it. Talk for a second. I'll do it. But wouldn't everybody see it? That's what I'm trying to get. You want that? Yeah. Don't you want that? I don't know. I don't do I don't do YouTube. I don't you know, you get mixed people. Some people say they like that and some people say they don't. So, uh Oh, that the whole chat would No, then forget it. Forget it. You don't want that. You just keep I was going to put it up there for us. Oh, that's all I want. I want to try to do that. You guys do that. That's what I want. Just for us. Just for me. Not for everybody else can look at the chat natively. Yeah. Yes. Exactly. Just for me and you. I don't like these pants. I don't like them. I don't like how I look. What are you doing, dude? I don't like how I look. He's worried worried about stuff coming out. I'm worried about stuff coming out, you know, cuz I'm 52. So, I'm I'm While he's messing with us, I do want to tell you guys, thank you so much for for being phenomenal hosts. And yeah, you're welcome. I I absolutely adore these these people. And Oh, there she goes. Cover my legs. Do you have a blanket now, too? There she goes. I have a blanket for a minute. All right. So, I I do believe that people shouldn't be seeing what we're seeing. If they do, then they might be upset, but I don't think they will. They'll let us know. I think they're see Yeah, they they'll they'll tell us, but I'm pretty sure. Is it normal for you guys? Take them off, Jamie. See, that looks good. Now I'm hearing Wednesday now on the trailer says pinball studio. Yeah. So So we should see we should see the chat as it rolls in. Perfect. That's perfect. Oh, they're letting the inmates run the asylum today. Yeah, totally. That's basically what's going on. So Vic BP thinks the video is coming tomorrow. He Oh, he does. Huh? Yeah, that's Yeah, that's what he said. They're going to do a live a live stream the day before media day. Okay. Oh, okay. That makes sense. Actually, I'm hearing Wednesday now on the trailer. See, I feel like the day after the holiday is a good time to hit people cuz they're kind of like hung over from their barbecue. They're they're like loose loose with their money. I'd be like, "Oh, I might spend." If I was doing the marketing for Stern, would you do Day after holiday? No, I would do it right now when everybody's off, right? That's a no-brainer cuz everybody's just chilling. Oh, that's true. Everyone would freak out and watch it. How many people are watching this thing? You can't tell from this. Uh there's I think 32 right now. Okay. It has 32 right now. And it's like a brand new channel. Doesn't even have a thousand subscribers. And like we have people cuz right now I And I've noticed this with with posting like social media stuff. It the you always get more views when people aren't working. Oh, for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I always post on See, Jamie does like Saturday, Sunday. I had to educate you on that a little bit cuz you like posting stuff late at night, but people are sleeping. You don't want to do that. I'm working on it. Yeah, we got to hit them. I'm learning. If you need to learn Instagram, we Oh my god. Take a break for me for I don't Instagram. I have an Instagram. Yeah, but you know, we add you as collaborators and you don't cuz I don't even know what I'm supposed to do. Go to Instagram. Okay. Now, this would have helped us. We'd have more than 32 people. Now go to here. If you don't use it, why you have an account? Jamie Burchil Active sent you this thing and you have to accept. I told you. Oh, see now that would have went to all. That's it. You accepted this. Hold on. Let me go put I'm going to say right now we're live. Sorry, I'm doing a little advertising. No, I'm not cold Skywalto. I I just don't feel comfortable with the Vori shorts that I'm wearing. And Rachel made this the angle. Well, because the angle of the lens because Rachel was assessing the situation and there was definitely angles that could have if you moved your leg a certain way could have been bad. Could have been bad and we don't need that. I mean, not Well, it depends. Could have been good for certain people. I don't know if they My wife does miss me. Look, Ralph's getting some people in here. All right. Good. All right. And um so let's talk about Chewy's tournament last night because we just talked about uh it was so good. It really was fantastic. And if if anybody missed it, head over to twitch.tv/electricbatarcade and watch the VOD. It it really it was great. The the competition was fantastic and then me and Ralph took over for a little bit and had a good time. So uh hope that was good. But can we how many it can we start with the story of uh yeah you can go with whatever I'm going to start and then we're going to take it over from you guys. Okay. We're going to be asking you a lot of questions because we want to know about what the hell happened. Everybody needs blankets. What do we have more blankets? No, they just like my blanket. I'm not sharing your All right. So here's the story for you ladies and gentlemen. Last night Christopher Transy, I love you by the way. Uh, do we know who that is? No, we'd like to know who you are. Can you let us know? I'd really like to know who you are. Like, do you think it's Franchie just calling himself Tranchy? No, he don't feel because Franchie is always there. Yeah, he's not here, but he doesn't come to our stream. All right, so last night uh I'm playing. Should I message him and uh put him in there? I'm playing in the Chewies knockout and me and Ralph really played the same. Okay, we actually did. It was kind of scary actually. You know, when I had two strikes, he had two strikes. When you know, it was exactly the same. We We started out 2 and 0, then we went No, I went two and one and you went 3 and 0, didn't you? Yeah. And then then we got leveled out. And then we got leveled out. And so we each lasted eight rounds. And we're really proud of that. And uh not really. I want to add an adjective in front of it, but I'm proud of that. I say to myself, I say to myself, I think the competition at the bat is really good. There's a lot of really good players there. So, if I'm making it that far, I'm okay with that. Yeah, I was okay with it, too. My goal, Our goal was 10. Our goal was 10. We didn't get there. We didn't do it. 10. I'm playing uh Simbad, ladies and gentlemen, and a gentleman comes up and this is going to be our first topic, and then we'll let them take over. Okay. We He puts a uh light, one of these magnetic lights that goes over the playfield and lights up all the Simbad. All right. He's obviously kicking my ass because I think he has a performance-enhancing uh device that he's using. So, I come back to Ralph and I start bitching about Now, he knows me, okay? Uh, he knows that I'm joking and I start bitching about this guy with He's joking, but I know that he's joking, but if you didn't know him, you probably wouldn't think he was joking. You think he was serious? I cuz I came in like it was lowkey joking. Yeah, man. I came in and I'm like, "We need to call Sharp an IFPA." Yeah. You you literally said we need a rule change and I pay a rule change because uh it's it's absolutely an unfair advantage that this guy bought a $10 light and he gets to use it and then when he goes, "Nope, you don't get to use it." And this is how I'm saying it to Ralph, right? Yeah. But what Jamie didn't know, what Jamie didn't know is is this gentleman's wife was standing right next to me, which he he thinks I knew, didn't know, and she's like, "Oh, really?" "Oh, so you think they should have." So then she she then she starts, "Hey, Christopher France is here." Hey, no. Yeah, just messaged him. All right, I told him to come. So I then she starts saying, "Do you think it's I don't think it's a problem that he has a light?" And I said, "What's next? Gloves." Yeah. Then he started shades. I start ripping on all the And he kind of Oh, no. And then he then he started going down this path. The lady thought you were kind of crazy. Jamie goes, "Well, you know, they have these glasses now that that they're anti-glare glasses. They take the glare off the playfield." And she's like, "Oh, really?" And I think at that point, she's like, "I'm going to go talk to my husband now. You just talk trash. I'm going to go tell him. I'm going to the boss." Yeah. I'm going to go tell him what you said. So, I go up to I play my ball. I didn't do well. He comes up to me and he goes, "Hey, I hear you have a problem with my light." And I go, "No, I don't I don't care." And he goes, "Well, you were joking with that guy over there." And I said I go, "Oh shit." See, he brought me into it. I didn't even know this part. You brought me in. I go, "Well, you know, he's a jackass. You can't listen to that." I believe that. No, I didn't say that. I go, "Listen, dude. I'm a jackass. Okay. I'm just having fun with my boy Ralph. I'm from Houston. I don't care. You can use your light. Use a headlamp. Use whatever you want. I don't care. That's what you really That's not what I really feel, but I was just being nice. I think I need to say uh it's Greg. Okay. Greg seems like a lovely dude. Greg Mo and his wife, Kelly Mo. They're the the nicest people in the world. And Greg, I've never seen him angry. He's just he's so levelhead, so smooth. And that's the funny thing for him to come up and and talk to you about it. Did he seem calm? He was calm. He's always super calm. He's always very calm. No, he didn't ask me to go outside or anything. I mean, he just said, but I but let's meet me in the parking lot. But I know I know Greg, he was just concerned and didn't want you to be like have an issue. Right. Yeah. Right. And and I don't have I do have an issue. Okay. Yeah, you do have an issue. So, we're going to start here with the main issue is uh it is an absolute performance-enhancing and IFPN needs to ban this. Well, let me clear something up. Uh Josh has spoken on this many times. Mhm. He does. He's like, "Do whatever you want." He doesn't care. He's wrong. He said it's Well, I'm just saying Josh is wrong. I'm just the messenger. All right. I'm not yelling at you. I'm just You're just saying it should be reconsidered. Okay. There are certain games. All right. I have one in my house. All right. Iron Maiden. Before you say that, the lighting is part of the game of pinball. Right. Okay. It's like, can I remove this post? This is what you're about. This This is This is my pitch. This is the point is that fear of the dark is effing dark and your boy spent $10 on Amazon and he gets to say and then he takes it. That's just so ridiculous. Yeah. They do. No. So, everyone that uses it does take that. I mean, why leave it if you're going to hold on the whole group? Would you feel if he would have left that we wouldn't have this conversation? Like, you would have been like, "Oh, that's cool." I'm like, "Hey, light boy, thank you so much." Yeah. No, I I still I think it's bologn and cheese and they need to ban it. Do Do you know what I heard at another tournament? He actually had two lights and he pulled them out and put both Does he have holsters? Both on each side. He has big pockets. He's a He's a big guy. Um, all right. Well, Jamie, let's No, let's go. Fear of the Dark. I'm going to name some. All right. Do I Yeah, you go next. Uh, the Strobe Multiball and Attack from Mars. It It completely negates that. Not boy who bought 10 bucks from Amazon. He's good to go. I'm not on John Wick. It's called Lights Out, but you're turning the lights back on, right? Am I right? So Jamie, I do I do tend to agree with you though. Like it is it is an advantage. Like I I'll use a game that I would say I I struggle with because it's so dark. Creature from the Black Lagoon. It's a very dark game. Not boy. Not dark for our boy. So, but if you did put a light on it, I feel like I would probably be able to see the shots a lot better. It's just dark. Excuse me. So, there's a Yeah, there's a there's a enhancement fighters. Yeah. You know, like the action button, it starts it starts flashing. You're like, "Oh, I can get this jackpot." Yeah. But you know, like as soon as I hit it, the it's gonna get dark. It gets dark for a little bit and then the lights come back on. So it's strategic. You got to know when to hit it. Like you want might want to trap the ball up, right? But the the light takes that away. I'm done with it. And we're going to ban it at Eureka. Height. I had if you're listening, John, no. lights at Eureka. Who? Oh, all right. Well, uh, it's the Black Lagoon. It's supposed to ban lights. Can we get some Let's Can you Can you do a like on Twitch, you can do a survey? They can't do polls. Oh, that's why I like Twitch. Um, but here's the other side of the coin. Okay. Um, let's hear it. I don't know if she wants me to use her name. I want What? Can I use her name, Rachel? I'm not going to. She said no. There's a player and a player, a serious player. All right. Here, she says she cannot play pinball without it. She has some type of uh what what would you call it? Like an issue. A disorder. Okay. Well, she cannot play pinball without a light. You're not. Does she have a medical card or some [] Did she bring it to the That's what we need to figure out. I don't I don't know. Sorry. That was That was She's have a hard time seeing. She's got to have it. Whatever. You have to have an exception. No, don't play pinball. Don't be Don't be so cool. I don't I don't know cuz like I mean what's her ranking? She's real good. Yeah, she doesn't. Yeah. Much better than mine, right? That's not hard. She doesn't play as much as she used to, but I mean she was like higher than who? She's been in like the women's world championship. Yeah, she's been in like the women's world championships. Um but like all but you are changing the game. Yeah. Like at to me and it's really no different than going I would like to put the I would like for on my ball for you to put the rubbers back on the outlanes. Yes. Yeah. But then the argument for the light people is like we'll just buy a light. I've heard I mean we've had this discussion with Why don't you share your light? I'm sh Greg would have he would have more than happily let you use the light. All right. You really think you thought about this all night long? I feel like I was assapped. I had a therapy session last night and my therapist said that No, Travis. You know, ladies and gentlemen, Travis Moseman. We love Travis. I don't like the way my legs look in this. Everyone knows. Oh, is that why you did it? Yeah. I thought you were just cold. What's wrong with your legs? He was He was worried about something falling out. We talked about it. I was just being I was having a go with it and now it's quite comfortable. We fixed the ball thing. Rachel Rachel identified an issue and we fixed it. Yeah. Um I thought bring your own batteries. Check this. Check this out. Right now it's kind of like states rights. Right now it's up to the the TD or the to Okay. And we have had people uh use the bat as a venue and do their own tournaments and they say no lights. Okay. So you could say it's up to the the person running the tournament. Yeah, it is. It is up. They can There you go. You just don't do it, Eureka. We're done. It's done. We had some guys from California come in. They said, "No headlamps, no lights." Okay. And now, uh, see, problem solved. We here at the round table. It's fine. Is he going to bring his light on Tuesday? Yeah, he always has it. Well, you're going to have to take that up with the tournament coordinator. She's sitting right over there. I'm just having a go. I don't care. I was literally being This is what you do. This is what you do. You're upset that you lost. You want me to help you out? This is what you do. It's usually me. You go up to him on Tuesday. Okay. And like, Greg, how I think we got off on the wrong foot. Do Can I, you know, if we play a game together, do you mind share your light? Yeah. Can I also use your light? Can we share the light together? Can we share the light? That would be lovely. I'll do that. Yeah. We can ask to hold his hand, too. All right. So, um, we, uh, the whole point of this was supposed to be for people to ask us stuff. So, keep in mind you have Jamie shorts. No problem. No, they're voring up on this. About mine. I'm No, no, no. I have extra layers and everything. I just This turned out to be quite comfortable. All right. So, I'm leaving. All right. So, guys, the the whole thing was you guys were were supposed to be able to ask us whatever we want. Like, this is a pretty good opportunity because you have three guys that do stuff. Yeah. That we will say whatever you know we need to say. So, and it it doesn't have to be about pinball. That's the thing. It could be about Jaime's addiction to Zen. It could be about whatever you want. You don't need to worry about that. I'm okay. That's been covered many times. Um, I do want to tell a story later. Don't let us Oh, there's a no glove person in there. Adam Davis says, "No gloves either." But see, I love the gloves. No gloves. I agree with no gloves. Can I tell you why I wear the gloves real quick? Two seconds. I don't care about gloves. Two seconds. The reason why is cuz I get nervous playing pinball in general. Not at my house, but when I play in tournaments. So, my hands get sweaty. I don't No one wants to come back up to the game. Well, number one, they will slip off the lock bar. It has happened to me. So, that's why I adopted the gloves. They have a little grip on them. And then also the next person coming up doesn't have a sweaty ass mess of a lock bar. I think that's just like courteous. It's me being courteous to the players. Do you want to walk up to a machine that's like slobbery gross lock bar? No. All right. Well, then I'm helping you out by wearing the gloves. I mean, I think you might need to talk to your doctor about your sweaty bombs. It's called nerve. I'm nervous. Things sweat. All right. Do you don't sweat when you get nervous? Yeah. Not in my pond. You know what I did? When you get nervous? You don't get nervous. I feel like No, no, I don't get nervous. Um He's damn sin. Is Rachel saying yes, she's agrees. Amanda beat Jamie on Simbad. The light is an excuse. So what really happened? That's Bob, I think. Is that is that that must be Bob speaking on that? Is that a Bob when I lost? Oh, Amanda, did you see Dude, Amanda, did you see Amanda came to my Facebook page just to say she beat you. She wrote the comment. It was awesome. It was a bounty knockout, ladies and gentlemen. And if you don't know how a bounty knockout works, I didn't see that. It's $6 for uh the tournament. $5 you get yourself a chip. And when you get your fourth strike, your chip then goes uh to the winner of that group. And if two people lo uh are eliminated, the second person uh third place would give their chip to second place. And that's how it works. So both of us got eliminated. Two two me and another gentleman. And I held my chip up and I was like, "Who wants my chip?" And Amanda goes, "I want Jamie Burchil's chip." And I thought that was Amanda said that. Yeah. Man, Bob and Amanda are like the best people in the world. So she has Jamie Burch chip. Let me tell Hey, we have some questions, but while you're talking about the greasy lock bar. Yeah. One day it was like in the middle of the day and just me and Ty were hanging out at the bat. Tie Ty Bull with tattoos and everything. Yeah. And uh he wanted to he's like I challenge you the best of three. Like I was like let's do it. So I went into the office and just overly lotioned my hands and then we started playing pinball. So I went first of course and I'm just like I'm just playing I'm playing. I'm like oh and I you know had a pretty good ball you know and I'm not worried because it's not affecting me because I know it's there. And then it was his turn. And he just he's into it. He's like, "I'm going to tear you up." And he starts playing. He doesn't immediately say anything. And I'm just like laughing. When we're done, he's like, "Dude, what is all over this machine?" Did you at least win? Okay, this is awesome. I It was so long ago. I can't I can't remember what happened, but Oh my gosh, I love that. That is the best. Yeah. Enzo says, "You need a nap, by the way." Oh, no. I slept at 10:30 today. He did sleep pretty long. Somebody asked us, "What's our favorite Elwin?" I thought I saw that. Uh, is that there? Oh, wait. Ralph, I'm concerned. No, where where was that? It's Jamie. Ralph, what's your favorite Elwin for me? I'll go first. Okay. Oh, sorry. Mine is Keith. You're an idiot. He said his favorite Elwin is Keith Elwin. Oh, I get it. I get it. Is that not It took me a minute to get it. I give you I give you a C. I'm slow right now. What is your favorite Ellen? I think Franchie would like that one. My favorite Ellen right Well, right now I'm playing Iron Maiden a ton. I love the flow of it. It love the simplicity of it. What? Yes, sir. Can I do mine now? Yeah. Uh it's it's King Kong. Oh, yeah. I saw it last night. Oh, man. You should have seen him last night. I heard you were tearing it up. So, we go back. We go out to dinner. uh and uh the three of us and uh me, Rachel, and Kale. And then Ka Rachel needed a badge to get her bat badge the last day and she was worried about that badge. I'm kind of excited about that. I got my bat badge, too. So, that was really cool. And Kale goes, "Hey, let's play Kong. I'll go first." He put up 265 million on ball one or something ridiculous, dude. And uh it was it was really impressive what he was doing. But I was hitting all the shots. Like you were going do this. Oh, you want to see me do that? And well, I said cross the chasm first cuz it's a really good move in a tournament. That should be your first move. And boy was he crossing the [] out of that chasm. That's awesome. It was like it was like a sideeshow. Yeah, it was unbelievable. You put up 400 million and I got to like this mini wizard mode or something. Got to mini wizard modes. One was uh Kong. Uh they just added that. And then you got a multiball. It's a multiball. And then you got to the other multiball which is Kong kills some kind of lizard or some [] I don't know. It was great. All right. So, yours is King Kong. Yours is Iron Maiden. Yeah, I like his Iron Maiden. Okay. So, mine is pro Mine is not going to be what I think people would expect me to say. I Jaws is my favorite still, but King Kong's pretty close. I'm actually Jaws, King Kong, Godzilla right now. I know that's probably unpopular, but that'd be my order of like if I had to say my top three L wins, it'd be Jaws, King Kong, Godzilla. M I'm really loving King Kong and mainly because it just flows so good. Like once you start getting down I think when you're in it in that game it's so fun and I love using that diverter strategically. I love the the what is it called? The biplane shot. It's just all fun. And you know my favorite thing to do in that game I don't know. I love pterodactyl attack when you have the sweeping drops. Yes. And then you have to lift that right flipper and get it into the cave. That is so fun that shot. So good. I don't know. It's just fun. It's just a fun game. Oh, he wants Enzo wants us to talk about Dune. I don't have enough experience with it to talk about I'll talk about Dune. You want to talk about Dune? Let's talk about Dune. So, do we want Jamie's giving me a look like don't talk? Dirty pool says Oh, no. Oh, no. Who? Let's vote. Who wants to talk about Dune? Hey, put a one in the chat if you want people to talk about Dune. Jamie's like, I don't want to talk about Dune. My friend Travis Moseman who designed Dune is in the chat and I would like you know we could talk about Dune. Travis is here with us. My problem is I don't have enough experience with it. I got I have a lot of experience with it. So I can't like comment on the game play so that sucks. I got to play the new beta code um with the call outs at uh a gentleman's house and uh the game is much much better much much better. Much better than what? Than when I first played it. Oh, much better than a game that doesn't work. Dude, we have a second. There's another Christopher Franchie, but it's Christopher Moranche. Moranche. Why? How is there so many Christopherus? Christopher Franchi is so popular. There's like mimics Christopher Franchi. They're offshoots. You had Leverne and Shirley at Happy Days. All right, let me get a drink of water. No, let's go back to Let's do a Let's go. Jamie's freaking out. I'm not freaking out. I'm okay. I'm all right. Anybody else have any questions in the chat? Like the last thing Jamie wants to talk about is Dude, I feel like God's honest truth. My problem is I don't I didn't buy one. I have not I only played two games on it when you guys had it there and it would like I can't play a game twice and go I like or don't like this game. I got to put like a good like 20 games on and then go, "All right, I get a feel for it." That's like I find it weird when someone sells a game after playing it 10 times cuz I'm like, there's no way you did what you need to do to understand whether you like it or not in 10 games. There's no way. For sure. Yeah. I mean, I could see someone step up to a game. I'm trying. I gave him a look. Did you see that? I gave him I just gave him a look cuz he makes me laugh. Uh me? No. Uh I gave Kale a look cuz he makes me laugh. Okay, good. I'm glad he makes sure all is good. Oh, we have a we have we have someone's asking a question in the Oh, Rachel wants to talk about that. Okay, there I This is a good way to destroy this rumor. Uh, right. I don't know what you're talking about. What are you talking about? You know what I'm talking about. I have no idea what you're talking about. Uh, well, I think I have to go pee. I actually really do. All right, I'm gonna go pee and I'll let these guys talk. I'll be right back. Oh my god. I have to pee, too. So, just leave me with the Dune conversation. Just leave me. Just leave me with Dune. Between two ferns. I look there There's a rumors going I think um somebody that owns Bales of Fun is telling people that he offered us a free machine. Okay. And I've I've had multiple people, even people that work there, telling me this. And I think we should just go we should just tell everybody that's not true. Okay. Because why why would I not why would I turn down a free machine? Well, you wouldn't. I wouldn't. Right. But I think uh he just he's trying to recover from our experience with the game. And I and but the thing is I don't see why that makes him look better because you're saying I offered him a free game and they they disliked it so much they wouldn't accept it. I don't know where that rumor came from. Right. Uh but you have heard it. Yeah. Okay. I've heard that multiple multiple people have heard it. It's it's just kind of weird. Unfortunately, people have told me that and I just went, you know, I I have nothing to do with this. Right. My name is Jamie Virtual. I don't own a Dune. But uh that's not true. Yeah, that's that's not particularly true. Uh no, look, the fact for those that don't know, we had a pinball round table uh couple episodes before and we were talking about the your experience with doing it. Unfortunately, it wasn't good for you. Right. It wasn't good. And I think you got yourself a lemon, right? You totally got yourself a lemon. No, no, no. We I didn't get myself a lemon. uh you know the you know if and I think we've talked about this before me and you've talked about it and David Vanesque has has admitted he's told me they released the game way way too early and that's just what's going on. Okay. Yeah. Uh I mean if so with with Labyrinth they had four years to get that game uh together and you know and and make it happen. They had to rush. Enzo says tune at Infest UK was slammed for three days, 11 hours, didn't miss a beat. Yeah. Um, they just they just released it way too early. I mean, I was just at a friend's arcade two days ago and it was down and they and they had to uh do all kind of modifications to keep it running and their their arcade is rarely open. Um, so I mean I mean there's issues with it. It's uh it just it was not something stable enough to be at an arcade that's open all the time almost 24 hours a day. Right. I I had Oh yeah. When it's She said when it's working she likes it. Said when it's working she likes it. It's fun. Yeah. Which is a cool game. And you're a dude. I've had I've had really good experiences playing it. But so but what I think what people people most people involved in pinball do not have to operate these things right do not they the they're not to them they're just toys they have at home. Yeah. It's a whole different world when you are rely on these things to make money with. Just case in point, I had somebody who work just recently, I had somebody who works uh for Barrels of Fun get in touch with me and say, "You should give this game a second chance." And we had a long conversation and he mentioned, "But there's still issues with this and that and this." And those little issues are what would keep the machine down for you guys. Yeah. So, so somebody's playing the game and they run into these issues, they're going to turn it off. you know, and so, uh, there's just a huge disconnect between people that have these machines at home as a toy that's only open, I mean, it's only on for like two hours at a time or something like that. And if it malfunctions, they can turn it off and turn it back on. I mean, just to put what you said into perspective, and I'm I'm kind of talking to Rachel, but I'm I'm talking to both you guys, but I feel like she's going to know this number cold. Mhm. I have I have I'll just use Harry Potter for instance because you guys saw it and were like, "Oh my gosh, that would probably be really difficult to service because there's so much stuff, right? I have I've had it for what I don't know, a couple months and there's 450 plays on it." If that was on site at Electric Bat and it was working the whole time, how many plays would a game have different days? Yeah. So in So in two days she has what I have on in two months. So like that's a big difference for sure. in all of Sure. Oh, it's true. Oh, that's true, too. Environmentally, I mean, you have all those environmental factors that I that I I'm in I'm in a controlled environment. It's like perfect. Everything is perfect. Yeah. You have You don't know what's going to happen really. No, it's true. I mean, there's there's only a there's only a couple of manufacturers that are actually looking at these as commercial devices. Yeah. You know, it's a different world. I I can make you What? I I don't feel like this is a good conversation. I'm not Are you leaving your body? I have a great story. No, no, no, I'm not leaving my body. I have a great story about all this when it comes to um Galactic Tank Force. Okay. Uh and I don't know how many people followed our adventure with that. I did follow because I had we had the same issues at my previous place. So the the game riddled with issues like software issues, all hardware issues, all kind of issues. And we got we were all excited about this game. It's like weird. It's really quirky. It's a cool It was cool for pinball with the campiness of it. Yeah, it was really cool. But and so uh you know, we were trying to get in touch with the folks at American Pinball. they wouldn't really do much until some uh David Fix called us and and he admitted the only reason he got in touch with us is cuz he didn't realize we had a popular podcast and his friends were like, "Why are you not helping these people out with the machine?" Yeah. And he said because we have a popular podcast, he decided to give us a call and help us. Yeah. But he should be doing that. Well, that's why they're not in existence anymore, right? You know what I mean? Right. It's that kind of [] Right. Right. Oh, it gets worse. Okay. And so, um, now he tried to work out all over the phone. We're on the phone trying to He's like, "You know what? I'm just going to send you a brand new machine." That is unheard of in with pinball manufacturers. They're just going to send you a whole brand new machine. So, were they going to just pick up the old one and just send They were literally just going to mech replace, boom, new one. Yeah. So, okay, we we and we didn't hear from we were like, uh, you know, is it going to happen? Are we getting a shipping confirmation? So, he sends us a brand new machine and it's already been opened and he and they he calls us. He's like, you know, we uh hope you got the machine. Okay. I had uh Stephen, what's his name? Steven Bowen play it for 45 minutes to make sure it was functioning properly. 45 minutes doesn't seem like a I I I think you need more time than 45 minutes. That's not really a good bacon. But anyway, we we got a brand new machine. We set it up. Long story short, it's having all the exact same issues. Yeah. And so finally, we're having a conference call. It's me and Rachel with David Fix, Steven Bowen, and their programmer. I can't remember his name. All these are all great people. Really, it seemed like they were trying to solve trying to really help you guys. Yeah. And you know, we're telling about all these issues with the game. And they're all like, "There's no issues. We we we haven't heard anybody say anything. I have my friend that has it on 247 at a laundrym mat and there's no issues. There's no issues with the game." I was like, "Man, there's a lot of name issues." Anyway, we ended up selling this machine. So then I'm hanging out with Jim Belceto at a tournament. I have no idea who Jim Belto is. He's got a cool name though. He runs He runs Wicked cool name. He's an absolute legend. Okay. He run he he started Indisk. Have you heard of Indisk? I have. Yes. Okay. I bet you they ban lights. He is a and he is a he's a mega operator. He's a great guy. So he got he wanted to put Galactic Tank Force in Indisk, but he knew there was all kind of problems with it. Yeah. any operator knew. Uh so he gets in touch with with somebody who knew David Fix. Long story short, he got in touch with David Fix and Steven Bowen and said, "I'm putting this game in Indisk. You guys need to fix it." And they got they got together and and started fixing all the problems. They wrote new code for it. They put fans and heat sinks on on the coil on the flipper coils. Changed the flipper coil. But were they doing it just to this specific unit that was going to go there? Okay. Not like to Well, they didn't want their machine, their pride and joy on Carl stream. They didn't want it to fail. And and then they both went on podcast, David Fix and Steven Bowen saying, "Oh, like it's a like like they're at a parade going, "Oh, we fixed all the problems with Galactic Tank Force." And I'm listening to this going, "You guys said there was no damn problems." Yeah. Did they ride in on the tank thing during the parade? They didn't. No, they didn't use that. That would have made that would have made it so much in my mind. I I saw them riding it. But it's just like it they did that at TPF. It just shows you never mind. It's a really different scope when you're the manufacturer making this product and and you have tight deadlines and you're trying to release this and you can't just come out and say, "Yeah, we we screwed this thing up." Because all you once it's in public, all you're worried about is sales. You're just worried about sales. Well, David, that was all baloney and cheese because we had one one of the first signature editions at my previous place and we were not He David Fix said, "Don't play four player on stream. Please don't stream it because we wasn't ready." Crazy. Labyrinth or Dune? No, David Fix. Oh, my bad. You're talking about Galactic. Galactic Tank Force. We had signature Galact Yeah. And it was the same thing with Dune, the one we got, you couldn't play multiple players. I I in in all seriousness, I think the my opinion of Barrels of Phone, let's put a bow on them, right? Because I don't want to talk about them anymore. Is because there's people there that hate me anyway, so I'd rather for no for no good reason. God bless them. Whatever. I don't care. Is I think they obviously botched start, you know, their launch. Yeah. because I think they got crushed between King Kong and Harry Potter and not knowing when to launch it. Yeah. And but the new code, honestly, I think once people really see the new [] I think they're really going to like it. The one that just came out. Well, that it bricked my friend's machine. So, how you can't see the code if it's bricking the machine? I don't know what to tell you, brother. Uh I think it's I I think it's gonna be great. God, I really do because I really liked it. No, no. I I think I've seen when when it's working and I've seen like videos of it, it's looking like and especially the stuff that Jeff's doing audio-wise, it seems like it seems like it's going to be really fun to play. But I think to your point, probably a home machine and not an on location machine. I think that's fair to say. What if we settle on that? What do you think of that? Yeah, but why do you want a $12,000 brick? Well, you're not going to get the latest. The latest code brick the machine, but it's okay for home. I don't I don't think that I mean, when it's working, when it's working, it's good. But do you I don't know if I'm going to be able to convin you have no issues spending that much money for something for something that might be working. Oh no. If it happened to me I'd be pissed. I I haven't had a I haven't had a I'm trying to think. So so far now obviously everyone knows I'm very sternheavy but like I've the biggest issues I I really could say they're very very minor issues that I've ever had with any stern machines. easy stuff like stupid things like um like a coil stop wasn't screwed in enough and it fell out and I screwed it back in like dumb [] [] that I can fix in two seconds. So nothing ever bad. Um I on my what I'm just saying what is this bad him what's going on. How's the chat doing ladies? You know that they don't like me right? Okay subject I got one more thing that I can add. Let's go. Jesus. Oh jeez. But why why don't they like they they won't talk to you anymore because I I was on your podcast. I'm not going down this road. Okay. Real quick, real quick. I have one more I have I have a Galactic Tank Force story that I can't I have to hide. Ladies and gentlemen, my uh I love Kale very much, but the opinions of Kale are opinions of Kale. That's right. Right. Okay. And I can't be associated. It is It isn't fair if Kale says something. Do you realize, and I don't know if you guys know this or are listening, Kale said something two stream, two shows ago and everyone on Pinside, everyone on Pinsside said I said it and then just started like attacking me for it. I'm like, "No, but I don't understand." Okay. Like, think about us like uh CNN or Sports Center. We talked about this. You don't get mad at the one pundit that says something. You're that pundit. Okay. And that's your opinion, Al Sharpton. Well, you could be whoever the hell you want. It's the round table, but don't get mad at one of the other shouldn't be a reflection on if I say I love a game then and and everyone hates that game. They should be like Ralph's a [] for not liking that game. They shouldn't be like Jamie does. You didn't say that. I said exactly. So, I don't want to get roped into your but also I think cuz I get roped in. That's the Well, Jamie, but check this out. When CNN still Everyone still wants to know what's under your blanket. Do people think you're naked? There's so many blanket comments. I don't feel the blanket. I don't like the way the shorts are riding up my uh Jamie. I think this is what happened. So when CNN, Fox News, MSNBC has a controversial guest on Uhhuh. lots of times. Well, people will blame, I can't believe CNN did that. Okay. They suck. They shouldn't have given that person a platform. And And it's called the JBS show. Oh, yeah. True. So, I think that's why they don't blamed. Yeah. Well, he got blamed on on uh Pinside. That's why you went to Pinside is your fault. But I think that's why they don't like you anymore because you're the one that hit upload. Well, I did because you don't believe in censorship. No, you your opinion of your experience with Barrels of Fun was not good for you. Correct. Okay. My experience with Barrels of Fun has been great for me. So, I'm going to allow to a point, but not still. Not any not anymore. There's no experience. No. Well, and and in my case, if I'm going to chime in here, in my case, I haven't owned a Dune, so I can't speak on how long experience with I have one more story that that goes with your Galactic Tank Force. I cannot name names because I don't want anybody to get in trouble. Ian Jacobe wants to tip me, but this was so We don't have a thousand out there. We don't have a thousand subscribers. We don't have a thousand. Enzo saying, "When is D and D leaving?" I'm not getting rid of Can we give Ian a tip? I don't. You can't do a reverse if he gives us. He can't do reverse tips. So So all right. So in Galactic Tank Force, there was some drama that that was that happened on Galactic Tank Force the trailer. And I don't know if you remember, there were people that were complaining about the trailer. It was very cool, right? It was all the weird acting and stuff, all the campy [] It was cool. But here's the thing. If you really watch it back closely, there was a lot of stuff that was just it was so quick cut. Yeah. And the reason why is the game didn't work. So during that trailer, it wasn't working. How do you know that? You just you have some insidefo. Huh? Well, I'm not going to say it. No, no, I didn't shoot. No, no, I didn't shoot it. No, no, I didn't shoot. Although that's on Pinsside now. Pside. Ralph shot it. He effed it up. It's all good. So, no, but the the person that filmed it was working with uh with them and they were getting pissed at him for sending basically like imagine me sending you a broken game and then and then you being the guy that has to film it. And I'm like, Kale, where's my video? Like, it's been 24 hours and you don't have a proof for me yet. And you'd be like, "Well, the game doesn't work." And that's what he kept saying. He's like, "It doesn't work." And so, he was basically like it was blowing fuses and stuff. Oh, wow. So, he he'd get it. He'd basically put the fuses in. This is [] This is jacked up. He'd play it for as long as he could till the fuses blew and then he'd basically So he bought like a shitload of fuses which is probably unsafe in general. So he was filming fuses blow filming but it wasn't like we could have just put a breaker in there. That would that would probably but but anyways so they and not only that all the code was screwed up and then the lock in the back didn't ever worked right. So like he he didn't show a lot of the things from the game and there was a certain media outlet that picked up like on it and was just trying to traing like why didn't you show this and that and he kind of got trashed and then and then Fix ended up like throwing him under the bus in public all over the place like as if he was the reason why it was screwed up. So it was kind of messed up. So I lost a little bit of respect for David Fix when that happened. Albert wants Kale to pick one. Oh, pick what? Living. Uh, okay. Let me do this. So, if I had That's Orbital Albert. Now, here's the thing. Pick one for what? Let's just assume pick one for the bat. Well, I'm I'm Well, do you want to put some stipulation like This is such a [] up question. Whatever. Sorry. I was hoping you would do it. Yeah, I was hoping you would ask him. Do I have to have it on the floor? Well, yeah. It's got to make money. Yeah, but I feel like you should make they both have just made Okay, for real, it would have to be Dune. No, get out of here. Because it it doesn't [] work. Okay, can we make it? Can we make Can we Can we All right. How about this? Here's the thing. It works. Let's just say it works. If And the both of them work. Which one are we going to pick if they both work? That's a dumb question. It's Albert's question. Albert's the one that asked it. No, but I'm going to ask it in the state it is right now. I think Galactic Tank Force would be less of a headache. I've tried to operate Dune in a place with a lot of traffic that it is hard. I mean, we waste we waste money like like Rachel spent I'm so glad I brought this up. Rachel spent Thanks, Albert. Albert. Yeah. Rachel spent hours and hours and hours did writeups to David Van Es to be like, "You need to fix this. You need to fix this. This is not working." and and they were admitting like they didn't even first of all they didn't test it with multiple players like we would play a four player game and like just the flippers would stop working. I just and I talked to some I talked to some people who said that issue is still there. There's something we could learn here. I think right I don't think there is I don't think for me no seriously let's think about this. Don't you think that All right, I'm just I'm speaking for someone that I I I spent a good amount of time at your guys' arcade, so I know how like heavily trafficked it is and and that like the players are serious. They can be rough on the machines, but like to me, if I was I'm just saying if I was a manufacturer and I knew I was sending a game to you guys, I would make sure that that thing is bulletproof before it gets sent out. But he didn't know. But that's what I mean. Do you think that like I find it hard to believe though that there are manufacturers that don't know that you guys have this kind of an environment there I let I started this with there is a major disconnect with even you about what h you've been to the back yeah I mean I think I have a good feel for it you you don't okay you people this is a completely different animal I mean this is a machine that's it's your machine is going to be on for 24 hours a day and getting played. It has nothing to do with people being rough with the machine. It's just it's going to be getting played. You know, there are going to be ram dumps. There are going to be like stuff that just doesn't operate properly because this machine is on for so long. It is heated up. You know, there um David thought this machine was ready for prime time that they just they he didn't know what he didn't know. Yeah. Because it hadn't been through that battle test yet, right? I agree with Enzo. Enzo says you can't ride off a machine. [] happens. Give them a chance. That's some w That's some wise I think we need to change the subject. I think we killed this one though. We got it. It's done. And it's still for somebody to say something like that. They still don't get it. Like so. So So right now I'm like, "Okay, so I'm I'm supposed to give it a second chance." I just went to a friend's arcade where the software update brricked the machine and they had to like like that's like time is money for us. If this was if this was at home, I would have no issue with it. But like just two days ago we were at a friend's arcade and they had the machine taken apart because it wouldn't work. Like so you like I feel like we were kind of But here's also the thing Here here's also the thing when you're operating any machine that hits the floor that first it's like the first impression period. No, just listen the the first Yeah. Yeah. You like I got to educate you guys on this cuz you're doing great. You really You guys will never do what I do. No, sir. Most most people in the world will never do what I do. Yeah. at the beginning, the first few months, that's when you make your money. Okay. That's when like Yeah. That's when the rocket ship of all the when I watch your guys podcast, it's the new game that's usually So, so everybody's like, "Oh, you know, they're fixing the issues. Give it another chance." But like now you've missed that peak of when you make most of your money because you want to get this game paid off in six to 12 months. Okay. So it's like, so now, so that's your ROI period, right? So now people are like, well, it's better than it was before, so now get it. And and and so I'm I'm like, I'm gambling. You want me to spend like 10, 11, 12? I don't know how much. Listen, $11,000 to gamble with it again when it was just [] up at my friend's arcade two days ago. Right. And I get that. And then you guys are spending time. It's time away from other things you could be doing. Explain to me why that makes sense on my side. I'm gonna go get a diet coke. Yeah. So, just just to Oh, legs. The legs. Okay. Oh, finally. You know, we were I'm in the middle of this. This This is how this is how you get me to We were trying We were You know, I'll tell you, we were trying to get Rachel in here from the getgo. And now she said you fired her up. I think Kale was saying all that because he could see me like with my hand my head in my hands back there. We actually have we have different opinions about this. Okay. Somewhat because Dune for me is is a dream theme and I'm willing to help a company that I think uh you know when whenever I I I see them trying to make something cool, I want to help them try and make something cool. there's a limit to how much time I can put into something. So, I guess that's kind of where for us when people are saying like, "Give it another chance. Give it another chance." I think the game is cool because when we were at our friend's arcade the other day, they did, you know, they had to get the keyboard out and, you know, go into Unix or whatever it is and uh re by the time we left the arcade, it was up and running. So, we got to play it with the new code. I think it's fun, but it had that pain box glitch because they had to revert. Yeah, there there were still some issues, but that wasn't a gamebreaking issue. Right. Um, so I think the game is fun. And I I think whenever Kale is talking about this, it sounds like Kale doesn't like the game. We had a blast playing the game. M it's just not it's not ready for us to operate. It is ready, I think, for home use. Home use for sure. Um because you know this code update didn't break every machine. Sometimes [] just happens with with these things. Um, and I think it could be okay for um for an arcade that has like attendants that are there all the time that can they could do some resets. uh things like that that like just this the the perfect storm of electric bat makes a game have to be bulletproof as far as these types of issues that require you to turn the game off and on again and thing things like that because we just can't do that. There's just too much going on, too much play. And again, like very few places have games on for 22 23 hours a day and there's just a lot that happens to a game in that amount of time. So like whenever it's like whenever whenever Kale says it's not ready, it's not ready for us. I mean, he he has I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think that the game I think the bones of the game are very cool. And I think the code is improving and whenever the code if they had had the amount of time for Dune that they had for Labyrinth, I think that this game it would be a different story. Um I I do think this game will get there. I don't know. Do you think it will get there? Uh, man, I'm not I don't know. So, you I don't I don't know because I mean Ralph said his labyrinth had all kind of issues and they had four years to fix that, right? My labyrinth had to I So, my labyrinth was one of like the first. So, I found the the serial badge thing was never put on it, the relic number. And mine was eight. Oh, god. So, it was it was brand new. I didn't know that. So, I bought it. So, you got people with brand new screwdrivers putting together a pinball machine. Yes. I bought mine like years after it had been released or a year. Well, I don't know. How long's that game been out now? It's probably a couple Labyrinth. Yeah, it got a couple years, right? Couple years. Yeah. So, I think I bought mine a year and a half in. The thing is, whoever owned it before me probably didn't realize that a lot of it wasn't playing right. So, I had to do like a lot of tweaks to it to get it to play right. I never had like there wasn't like reboots or anything software related. It was all like geometry type stuff that they did fix in later runs. So, I had to kind of tweak the heck out of mine. Yeah. So, so I mean to to answer your question who we don't we don't know. But all what I do know is I mean it's from I mean David Van Es has told me they have one programmer and they they are taxing the [] out of him and every time he pushes an update he breaks something else. Uh they have a very stripped down crew and everything David has told me and other and other employees there doesn't make me feel good about them being able to turn this into a rock solid product. That's just the vibe I get from actually people from the inside telling me that. Um so I but I I wouldn't you're risking a for home use. I'm sure it's absolutely fine for an arcade that com has attendance there all the time, but for an arcade that's open almost 24 hours a day, 375 days a year, th this is this is not the kind of you can't spend, you know, over $10,000 on a product that might work. Agreed. Yeah, I Okay, so that's that's where I am. I I wanted to I wanted to voice my opinion. Appreciate you coming. Diet Coke and uh I'm going to Oh, I need another one of those. I'm going to Wow, this is perhaps the longest answer to answer question ever asked on any pin pod, including Roger Sharp. All right, we have William 103. Now, would you rather route Galactic Tank Force or hot dog? Of course, hot dog. Hot dog all day long. I'll tell you something. Something really interesting Rachel realized when she was um we had a power outage and she was crawling around under the machines resetting the mechanical timers. Um cuz you know all the machines come on at like 5:00 a.m. Uh you know, of course we're not there at 5:00 a.m. Um and that's because the bar that you operate in opens at 5 a.m. Right. They come on open at 6. Okay. But the games come on an hour before. That's right. So, two games were plugged into the wrong outlet and they've literally been on for 24 hours a day for the past two months. Oh, wow. And have not had as they had zero issues. It was Jurassic Park and Medieval Madness, which is the remake. Nice. The remake. Yeah. Nice. Those They have never They did not turn off in two months. Didn't have any software issues. Didn't have any mechanical issues. Didn't overheat. Uh, you know, Dune overheated within like a week and melt just melted coils. Dude, this is great. Yeah. All right. So, what what is it? We we have not answered, I think, a single question in the Ask Me Anything yet. Let's get going. Do we Do we have Let's Hey, happy Labor Day. Happy Labor Day. We're We're here. You know what? It's true. We're here working so you don't have to. That's right. What's up, Joe? Uh, I am gonna change the subject if you will. I feel I wish that we Scooby-Doo was not bad. Halloween was Scooby-Doo was not bad. We were able to see I don't think Should we have Should we have We should have asked them the questions beforehand. We should ask them to give us questions beforehand. I feel like Yeah, just throw them in there. Like whatever it is, it doesn't matter. I just don't like the way my legs look, guys. I'm dumping [] all over myself. Your legs are fine. You're you have like a wicked distorted body image about your legs. Body dysmorphia. Your legs are fine. Your you have smaller legs than I do. I have body dysmorphia. Is it more about your shorts? The shorts right there. Okay. Well, when you do that, that's a danger zone. Don't do that. You don't want to cross your leg and then make it go up more. What' you miss, Joe? Uh just put the maybe an hour on uh things are going to get Jamie in more trouble. That sounds fun for me. I love it. I can't wait to get back to the Htown. Oh man, they're going to welcome me in open arms. You know, you didn't do anything with arms wide open. You didn't do anything. I I of course you're fine. Everything's fine. You know about Creed? That did I ever tell you my Creed story? You You like Creed? Well, I I've gotten to meet Mark Tramani like three or four three times. Where's this going? So, uh you know, I used to play in a band. Are you talking about Creed? Like should have been dead on Sunday. That Creed. Yeah. Mark Jamani, they uh he's a huge pinballer, dude. Yeah. You ready? I'm ready. I want to know where this is going. Well, it's not just so like we are um I was in a band. We we toured around for a decade. That's where I did when all of my friends graduated high school and went to college. I was like, "Well, I'm starting a band and we're going to we're going to make money doing that." So, we did that for a decade and we were playing a show at the Chameleon Club in Atlanta and our tour manager called and said, "Hey, we have this band that's going to open up for you." Uh, they're they're it's one of my buddies bands out of Orlando. Out of Florida. We're like, "Oh, okay, cool. Whatever." We show up and it's these guys named Creed. And is this like the first show they've played or is this like Okay, so they're like brand new right now. First time they ever played a show out of Florida. Okay. And uh so they had played just they hadn't played anywhere else except for their home state. Correct. Okay, cool. Man, these are the these are the nicest guys in the world. Oh, yeah. We hung out with them all night long, you know. I was like, "Hey, do you'all want to get high?" They were like, "Oh, no. You know, we don't do that." Uh but they're they're just like really sweet guys. And we we listen they play we we hung out with them all night. They they played a show and and we were like, "Man, this is never going to sell." I mean, what is this like mall for real? We were like, what what is this like mall metal? What what is going on here? And uh man, just like shortly after that, they exploded. Absolutely exploded. But they they're all genuinely absolutely amazing people. That's it. They were really nice. Uh, I got a chance to meet uh, Alterbridge, which is uh, when Scott's kind of lost his mind on Creed, they brought in Miles Kennedy and uh, we had Wolf Gang Van Halen's birthday party at my old place and uh, I uh, have a good relationship with his tour manager and uh, we actually delivered a pinball machine to backstage at Creed and I got to hang out with them all backstage, got to play with them and u, and is Scott back now? Yeah, Scott's back, but they're also gonna do another tour with Alterbridge with Miles and I Miles Kennedy. So, so there's a Creed pinball machine coming soon. Is that what you guys No, interesting interesting thing. I I was talking to Mark Tramani and I said uh I was actually talking to um Wolf Gi Wolfy Van Halen and his mom uh Valerie Bardelli. They were at the worm and we were talking with them. I said, "Dude, why is there not a Van Halen pinball machine?" I go, "Give me a break." Yeah. Van Halen, right? And uh but which Van Halen? Well, the that's Wolfie. The first thing out of Wolfiey's mouth was too many lead singers. Yeah. Too many uh we're not You could never get everyone to agree on the licensing. And Mark was right there. And Mark goes, you know, all of my pin all of my music is in my contract that says my license my music is free for licensing on pinball machines. And I said, "Get no way." And he goes, "Yeah, in fact, you're going to see that coming out." And at the same time, Venom was coming out. And I said, "So, it's on Venom, huh?" And he goes, "How could you possibly know that?" I go, "I'm a pinball, you know, whatever." I'm like, "And I showed him all the the stream." And then we sat down in the stream and the audio was off. Oh, I [] up the audio on OBS, dude. I sat with Mark Tramani for 45 minutes talking pinball and all you see is my mouths moving. [] 45 minutes. I sat with Tramani. I kicked his ass on uh one of the machines and we were like some things never change. Jamie, that sucks. Jamie, can you believe that? I was chilling with Tramani. But yeah, you know, I I Phoenix pins just having a go. But uh Stephen said, "Please do a Van Halen machine." So Adam says with legs wide open. Yeah, let's do Adam. So Adam says, "Raven, Lethal Weapon 3 or Demolition Man." Demolition Man. Easy. Demo Man. Absolutely. That is a cool game. That's a banger. Amazing game. Demo Man is an absolute banger. Demo Man. Yeah. And And do you use Oh yeah, for sure. For sure. Worth more points the whole time. The whole time. No, for me it's not even the point. I'm getting really excited about demolition, man. You're like super pumped. Oh, dude. I love that. But for me, it's not even for the points cuz a lot of people will play with the flippers and then when they get to the multiball, they'll move. Um I don't do it for that. I just could do that because what other game are you going to play with these freaking handles? I know. It's pretty wild. This is so cool. Oh, we lost the light. It's a fact. We're fine. Good thing I brought two other ones. Yeah, we're fine. We're good with lights. We're good. Creed sounds like Stone Temple Pilots cover band. And that's the thing. You gota you got to think I'm in a band. They're like, "We're sending a band out of Florida you've never heard of to open up for you." And then that's exactly what we felt. We were like, "It's like a like you felt like it was a cover, like they were covered." We felt like it was like a clean, you know, cuz they're like they were wearing like these Jenko like pants like like big like double barrels with the racing stripes down the side. And I was like, think that would have been popular. Where did they just leave from? You know, Orlando was weird back then cuz I I went to high I finished high school in Orlando and they just, you know, we were rocking Z Cabaris and some weird [] Dude, did you realize when I moved back to when I moved to like back west when I moved west I I was like sharing things that were East Coast things with people and they like didn't know any of them and one of them was like, "Hey, growing up, do you ever wear Z Cavarici pants?" And they were like, I don't even know what you're talking about. You don't know Z. They were like, "What the hell is Z Cavarichi, dude? You did you not feel so cool cuz you could move the thing and you had the little tab? I had like three pairs of Z's, dude. Z had three pairs of Z. You know, you know what they're talking about? Rachel had some I'm telling you. So you guys had what are they called? Zavar. They were cut so weird. Kind of like MC Hammer pants once in a while. A little bit. A little bit with like my I had two pair or three pairs of these and uh someone else has that. I bet Joe had to have JZ Cavar. Do you think they got those up in Canada? Is that um Jenkos are coming back in style? Actually, that's what I've heard. I've heard Jenos are back. No, they have them. They're fully back. Like they're fully brand, dude. Z Cavarici, does that does that brand still exist? We had a uh a charity event where it was like uh ' 80s, 90s, and I I tried to find some parents, but I couldn't. Are we doing a giveaway at 100? Is that 100 viewers? I'll do a giveaway. I got some stuff. How do we even know? Let me see what we have. I'll give away some stuff. If we can get to 100, uh, we'll give some [] away. We have 86. Wait, can we give away a hoodie or would you rather a t-shirt? We have 84. Rachel's like, "Hoodies are expensive." Hoodies are expensive, dude. Don't give away hoodies. At 100. These were not in South Carolina. See? Oh, no way. David David's where I'm from. Okay. We didn't have You would have got beat up in South Carolina if you you came around with your little Italian jeans. I'm telling you. Oh, I would have gotten beat up. No question. But I had just come from Long Island, so I thought I was hot [] dude. I thought Zary I thought I was so cool with those on. We were. Don't even worry about it. Don't even listen to him. He's in the South. They don't have no [] We are rocking Z's. Did you ever have a Technicolor shirt? Technicolor shirt. No, I didn't like those. Hyper color. The ones that you touch and they turn. I've never had that. That was Man, y'all wore some weird [] I never had that. But I did. People had them though. Do you remember when like Crisscross, the group crisscross was big and everyone jeans backwards? I never did it, by the way. I never did it. You guys wore cross colors, did you? I did not. I wore You know what I'm talking about, right? Yeah. I wore uh That was when FUBU was a popular brand, too. Yeah. That brand is still exist who gave our buddy the VP cab some money. Remember Damon started FUBU. Yeah. The guy that Shark Tank guy. Yeah. He started for us by us. He he propped up VP Cabs. Yeah. Yes, he did. That's a Kevin Bacon connection I'm making. I bought I bought a VP Cabs cabinet because I was like I was like, "Oh, this is backed by someone." That was so that was that was actually my first that was my first virtual pinball machine. I don't have one. I'd much rather talk about Z cabiches than talk about Dune. Bugle boy pinball. Someone said I would. So I'll talk Z's all day, ladies and gentlemen. But if he brings up Dune again, I'm going to lose my mind. I don't know what those are. What are Zeb? I don't know what Zuba pants are. No, I don't know Zeba. What Zuba pants? Do you know that, Rachel? No, Rachel doesn't know either. Zuba. How many people do we have? They're trying They're trying to get to 100. All right. Well, I'd like to get to 100, too. It's a new channel, ladies and gentlemen. You get a You get a uh electric bat t-shirt. Electric. Yeah, that's nice. Electric bat koozie. Does that work, Rachel? I don't know what Zubas are. What the hell are Zubas? What about soap shoes? Even talking about rock soap shoes. No, I don't know what that is. All right, I need to update. Uh let's talk pinball again for a second. Okay. Uh, this we are the worst Ask Me Anythings ever. I know. Ralph and I started uh when we got there on Saturday, uh, we started playing a We thought we would do a best of 20. By the way, Enzo, I'm not ignoring your geometry issues on D and D. I'll get to it in a second. Uh, he's not letting it go, he said. No, he's I know. Parachute. I had parachute pants for I had parachute pants and I break danced in Long Island. I'm about to do something that's going to seem awkward, but I'm just I'm letting you know cuz I feel like we're all really good friends. Okay, these pants do this weird thing where it pushes me down. So, I'm going to like adjust myself real quick, but it's not an awkward thing. It's just weird. I'm sorry I'm doing it. Okay, I'm good. Thank you. So, we started It's just weird. It feels really uncomfortable. It's like the most uncomfortable thing. Someone's pressing on it. It sucks. Uh we had we started at best of 20 and we've played eight games so far. I think we're going to go back tonight. Can I update everyone on where we are with the tournament? Yeah, let's update. Uh, does anybody else have underwear that does that? Like every now and then, it's like a couple pairs I have that do it like pushes everything down. It sucks. So glad we let everybody know that. And uh All right, so day one, our day one on the tournament. So we played Batman 66. Jamie won. We played big game. Ralph won. Uh me. Uh we did Bond. I won. Yeah. I had a really good game on you. But I was helping you out on Bond. No, not true. Jurassic Park, Jamie won. TNA, I won. Dracula, Jamie won. I left him a multi. World Cup soccer. I don't know what the hell happened to you because me winning that is like not even normal. Yeah. I couldn't find the I couldn't find the ramps. Yeah. I don't know what the hell happened. He was doing this and then Iron Maiden I won. The one thing that's weird though, Jamie was doing this thing the whole time you've been here. You You're getting fancy when you don't need to get fancy. And I don't know why you're doing that. Cuz I've been working on something at home. on really nudging and dead bouncing. I'm dead bouncing. I'm really working on my dead bouncing because if I want to get to under three under to a thousand, if I want to get to Kale's level, I got to dead bounce. You watch these guys, they slam machines, right? I know, but you and so I've been dead bouncing way too much when I should just be letting it go. He was just trying to get fancy. He was pulling out He was pulling out this fancy thing and then he'd fumble ruski it. He'd do like this fumble with his flippers. I don't know what was going on. But anyway, I don't know why he did that. One thing I noticed about you Uh-huh. Mhm. When I when I was coaching you on hot dogging Mhm. you did exactly what you were supposed to do. You did. You did very very well. Yeah. It was amaz So it it proved that you you have the skills to make it happen. Yeah. You just you have you're thinking too much. Yeah. You think and on last night at the tournament Serge stopped commentating to go, "Hey Jamie, do this, do that." It was like three steps and you did all of them perfectly. You had a reject. I did. I was unlucky. And it's on the VOD. You go back and watch it at twitch.tv/electricbattercade. The most recent most recent video. I was on Well, at that point I was two and 0. Okay. We're talking about Chew's uh tournament yesterday and I'm talking to Ralph and in the corner of my eye I see him rolling the rig and I knew it. It was one of us and I was praying he was going to put it on big game at the time. I wanted it to be on big game. That would have been great. Yeah, cuz you play big game quite well. I played it well, but he didn't. He put it on 07 the Bond 60th and I choked like a chicken. Just choked. But there's the woman at the bat. I don't know her name, but she crushes Bond 60. She was on the Do you know who I'm talking about? She can roll it like three times in one ball. She's insane. Stephanie, she's a little older. She's a little older. Stephanie, she was in that group. That game put up like owned the [] out of that game. It's freaking pretty cool to watch. Yeah. Anyways, but you were on with her. So, I mean that was like on my last game I was on with John Choppel and Fay. Like I knew nothing was going to happen. I was screwed. What's what's the verdict? Joe wants to know what is the verdict on new code for John Wick? And he's specifically asking Jamie. So, I got I did get to play the new code for John Wick. My uh verdict is you don't like it? I don't like John Wick at all. No, but Joe, he doesn't like the game period, right? The layout. So, you don't even like the layout of it. The the code isn't going to help you. It doesn't matter. Okay. So, uh, but he doesn't like the layout. Would you rather have John Wick or Dune? Dune. Okay. But you don't like the Let's get this cleared up. You do not [] up. You don't like the layout of John Wick, though. Not at all. Yeah. So, but why do you like Do you like Black Knight? Yeah. Sort of Rage. Yeah. But I like the I'm very rare. I like the Ali premium version more than the Pro likes. I don't like the Pro. So, your issue with John Wick? You think the shots are too tight and it's too fast, right? I think the shots are too tight. It's too fast. You really have no idea what you're doing. Although, the new code is much much better. I'll give it to them. Yeah. Yeah, they're trying. Yeah. Okay. Oh, Stern, just trying. Just trying hard, Stern. Okay. But what what happened? What happened with Wason? What do you think happened there? Um, well, now we're talking about Stern and Code. Nobody said anything. It's like, well, no, he just No, he just was off. No, he was just off the project and then no one really said anything. I don't know. Oh, you're talking. No, but wasn't X-Men was I'm jumping around. I'm done. Oh, you just jumped to X-Men. Yeah, jump to X-Men. You were done with what I was saying. I freaking love He was done with it. He was the biggest I [] love the new X-Men code and it's going to get better. I love X-Men. I had it and I sold it. That's what I was about to say. You speak with your wallet. You you sold X-Men and then you played the new code. You're like, I'm gonna buy another. I played it. I remember you were like, check it out, Ralph. And I played it. I was like, oh my god, I wicked like this. It's tremendously. That is the biggest endorsement. He's like, I have to buy it. I have to buy this thing. I got to get it back. I love it. It is really good. It has mechanical it has some mechanical things that you're just going to have to deal with and tweak that. You can't get past that. I think I don't know. Maybe in the later runs they fixed it. I had to do a couple of mods, but after that, like just know that going in if you're cool with that. You have to do a couple mods. I [] love that game. The Some people complain about the flipper hop on the left flipper. I got the mod for that. But there's an official Stern fix for it. You just have to tell them if you if you do a support ticket and say, "Hey, I want the It's a little It's a metal." Yeah, it's a metal fix. I have it in my house. I haven't put it in yet, but Okay. Yeah, there's a fix. Tim Sexon was John Wick. Uh yeah, and the new W code is everything. Play task a crew. Okay, fine. But you still I am I am speaking of I am really excited about what Tim's going to do with Halo because you would think that's what he's working on, right? I would think so. Yeah, man. That's This is going to be a banger. You really are excited about Halo 100%. I think Halo is going to be cool too. Look what they did with what Play Mechanics did come out though. Like it's going to be forever. I don't like Pulp Fiction. It's good. No, you you Dude, I hate he's going to he's going to he's going to get so mad at me, bro. You're not gonna get mad at me. It's not a game. You know, it's a great game. You know, but I think Hey, listen. On the same page. Listen. Yeah. Ralph. What? Jamie's view of a lot of things is like distorted. I mean, he Wait, why is it distorted? Cuz if I don't agree with him, that's when it becomes distorted. That's how it becomes distorted. We don't want He want to hear the rest of this. Wait, what? Why is it distorted? He He's He doesn't want to say anything. Look, I don't like He doesn't want to me. I don't even know what he doesn't want to out me. I don't like some games that I think are too ridiculously hard. And I You think Pul Fiction's hard? I think Pulp Fiction to really get a million. Okay. You got to The only way to get a million in what? in pulp is really to do co is really to do modes. Yeah. And to get the the spinner they'll get the spinner mode. Well, good luck getting that. Not the not the you don't need the spinner mode. What if you get free gold watch? You're f you're screwed. You don't need the spinner mode. You get free gold watch and you're dead. Good luck hitting that. It is not a hard game. Well, I can't put up 200,000. What What else don't you like as far as like modern games? Oh, all right. Yeah, let's get let's get into Houdini. There wasn't I like Houdini. You like Houdini? You don't like John Wick? I like Houdini more than Wick. Let me answer a super quick question. Here we go. We got Piction. Uhhuh. I got to answer a super quick question. Someone asked me if if I get ball rejects on the staircase in uh Harry Potter, and I do. You have to like it has to hit that that staircase with a certain amount of force. If you don't, it it will actually reject. It's that's the one thing that does piss me off about that game. I've only played it one time. So like the staircase, there's that shot that that's just the one, you know, it rotates. The thing that turns it rotates and there there is a if you're trying to shoot that and you just it's not enough force, you you will it will like reject it. It does suck. It does do that. Free gold watch is an arcade in San Francisco. I interviewed them. Serge, sorry. I'm talking about that gold watch. Okay, so modern you're talking about modern games that Jamie doesn't like, right? That's the that was your question. Yeah, modern games that Jaime doesn't like. Pole fiction. Do you like Johnny Nenemonic? Yeah, I like Johnny Pnemonic. It's a fun game, man. None none of this makes that hand doesn't work all the time. That it works on ours. Play ours. That hand, you go to multiple arcades and that hand is all It does work on your guys' works on ours. I I like Give me But he was saying one that you really don't like. What other I don't love Foo Fighters. Oh, dude. That's a great game. How do you not like Foo Fighters? Because that's too hard. You know what? I'm I'm sorry. No, he's But he's You like a lot of games that are hard, dude. And you're saying that game's too hard. That one's too hard. I'm sorry I brought this up. Let's change the the topic. Can we change the topic? It's annoying him so much that the round table Commodore 64 in the house. We just found out Rachel used to run a You didn't run a BBS, did you? All right. Rachel used to do the BBS thing. I used to do the BBS thing. Uh, I used to code in basic on my com. The reason why I wore this is because yesterday when we were doing the tournament stream, someone was in there with an amigga screen name, so I decided I would represent So, those are the three that I don't love. Foo is good. I just suck at it. I, you know, I'm just that's a game that doesn't speak to my eye and I can't get the flow and I f up New Orleans and I just get fired up at it. And how many times you think you've played it in total, though? Oh, hundreds. Hundreds. Okay. Because I didn't like it the first like 10 or 20 and then I screwed up. Give What are So we can understand Jamie. Give me three modern games you love that you think are just flawless. I Well, I think Jurassic Park is flawless. It's It's flawless. Now, will get tired if it's in your home all the time? Yeah. Because it's the same [] all over again. But it is perfect. Yeah, I agree. Okay, there's nothing wrong with that game. See, we can agree on things. All right. Uh, all right. What else do I think is really perfect? Just two more. Jaws is pretty perfect. Jaws. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Great game. There's really not much going wrong with Jaws. So far, you're an Elwin guy, but Well, yeah, I do like, but when I say that, I hope you don't not, you know, I hope you aren't going, "Well, I can't make the third and win." Just speak from the heart, Jamie. I am. Okay. Uh, I'm trying to pick a third that I go to all the time of a modern pin where I'm at Eureka or Well, I play a [] ton of Evil Dead and there's nothing wrong with Evil Dead. That's a good game. It's a good game. Okay. So, there's I I I gravitate towards Evil Dead. I If you want to I'll tell you my absolute favorite out of all of them now is Batman 66. Oh, great game. Okay. cuz I can't stop playing Batman 66. I am so geeking on these minor villain characters and learning so much. There's so much to that code. Mhm. That uh you know, you got to change channels and [] There's so much going on. Did you see Did you see on the the nap arcade was saying and I don't know. I think he was saying like he's heard these this rumor heat up. He he was saying that that he was saying that on the dock at some time is a Batman 66 remake. I've heard that rumor. I have I love that idea because I think that game's really cool with a like a Spike 3 giant screen and uh I I don't know that doesn't need to be remastered though. There's not much wrong in that game. No, just just uh Well, yeah. What would you re I was about to say just vaulted, but now Vault has a different term, right? Yeah. So, maybe they would just re-release it. Maybe not not maybe not a remaster. It'd be a re-release. Joe says this is a pinball Jamie Burchil uh pinball therapy session, but Batman 66 uh the everything about Batman 66 is perfect. I have I have a a spin because you did three, right? I have a spin I have a spin on Kale's question since clearly no one wants to ask questions. Um what about this year? What's your favorite game this year? What that's released this year? What are the games this year? So So you've got So you've got uh Harry Potter. You got Evil Dead. You got uh what the hell? Dune. You got King Kong. King Kong. And wait, what else was D and D this year? Yeah, it remember it was Oh, yeah. It was in January. I think that's what am I missing? Oh, and then you got Turner Pinball's uh Merlin's Arcade. And you got There was a couple remakes, too. What were the remakes? Um, they did a Medieval Madness. Well, it has a ship. That doesn't count. So that's like six. In our award show, we would have to count. So I mean, all right. Out of those, if we missed that, you put them in there. Evil Dead. Is that So you're instant. Yeah, it's easy. Kale. M. King Kong. Yours is King Kong. King Kong. But yeah. Yeah, I like Evil Dead more. Uh it's just a little easier for me. Um I like that it's Yeah, I like the widebody. I like uh starting mode. It's just an easier coded game. Yeah, I'm evil dead. This I'm evil dead. I And I I'm not going to go through the whole reasons of what's close to it, but I'm evil dead, too. Yeah, but I I'm but I'm thinking about it from a different perspective. Um because Yeah. films question. Uh Insider Connected gives games legs that I agree that no other game is going to have. I I can't agree with you more. I I actually said this on uh Oh, was the Fun House Chris uh Franchie said, "Was the Funhouse remake thing this year?" Was it? Uh either way, we're not going to talk about it. Yeah. I didn't realize it was this year, but anyways, those are the ones we had. Um like cuz that's not what the best game. Oh, wait. There is a question. Who would who would be excited for the I think you should leave. Oh my god. Right here. I I I'd get the LE. What is I don't know what the Have you never seen that? No. Oh, you have to stop what you're doing. Is it on Netflix? Where? Where is that, Rachel? The um I think you should leave. You don't know this. Do you? Where? What? No. It's a show called I think you should leave pinball. You've never seen it? No. No, it's not. No, no, no. What What say the show is called I Think You Should Leave. And what they're saying is if there was a pinball, it would be the you know, I think you should leave pinball experience. Uh, it is it is one of the greatest shows in the history of television. I can't believe you've never seen it. No. Neither one of us. Well, you both need Is it Is it Netflix? Yeah, it's Netflix. Okay. Look up. Watch it from the beginning to the end. It is one of the absolute There's guilty pleasure music is a question. Franchie also says maybe Kale needs to think about it from Jamie and Ralph's perspective. Okay. Well, let me let me do that. I Thanks, Chris. No, no, 100%. It it is an awesome game. I love it. I'm playing it a lot. But if if you're gonna ask me which one I like better, it's it's going to be King Kong because in the life of that machine, it's going to make more money especially because because of Insider Connected. I am. And that's not me turning my nose up at Evil Dead at all. No. Evil Dead is amazing. Absolutely amazing machine. Um and I would love to have both at home for sure. As people who not only run arcades, what do you think modern pinball machines have gained and what have they lost compared to the classics when it comes to pure player enjoyment? That's a good question, right? I feel like you guys would be probably more qualified to answer that, but what have they lost? Yeah. What Well, uh, what they've gained, of course, is like all the modern all the the technology. I mean, the like like massively deep rule sets, but but what they've lost is that ability to hang out with three friends, play one game, and just like have beers and chat it up and have a good time, which you can't do on a lot of modern games because you're going to have a friend that can play one ball forever for 45 minutes like you did last night. I think I grabbed the Diet Coke, peed, and came back. Right. Exactly. Yeah, he was still on. And that's that magic you're missing. Like you can do that with all the classics, all the classic Sterns, the God Leaves, you know, all the classic Bs, but that that magic of hanging out with people and having a good time kind of it it gets crushed when you you get on Jaws, Godzilla. Yeah. You know, any of those unless your players are like within because I feel like me and Ralph. Yeah. Then you'll be fine. Ours goes pretty quick. really quick. But I mean, yeah, but I get what you're saying though because like it can be an equalizer to go on like some kind of old classic game and even the best of the best, they're going to have a longer game, but it's not going to be like 45 minute game, right? Yeah. No, I hear you. That's actually a good point. I wasn't even thinking about that. Yeah. How long are we going for today? I don't know. Cuz we were going for Yeah, Chris. I I definitely missed an hour and a half already. Are we really? [] Yeah. I totally I I totally missed the threecolor stencil art on cabinets, man. Like Nitro Ground Shaker. Come on. And also Nitro Ground Shaker has one of the best bat glasses. Dude, I hate Nitro Ground Shaker. I I was just talking about I like it. He hates it. I hate it. Why do you hate it? I played it like 15 times in my life and I suck at it. But yesterday I blew up ball one 600,000. There you go. But you have to remember you're doing the thing I do. If I play a game at first I told Rachel I hated big game. Now I now I gush over big game. It's because the first time I played it I'm so [] at it. So [] So like I think you sometimes are tainted by your first experience. But if you happen to tournament world, but if you take time to learn it a little bit like I was so it was really cool that you and Serge told us how to do the plunge on uh on hot dogging cuz we watched during the tournament and everyone was doing the plunge that way. Oh, it's true. Hey, somebody asked earlier when uh and let's do a shout out for you Kale. When are you and Serge gonna do a podcast? Seriously. Uh you know Serge is in the chat. Oh, I didn't know that. Did you notice that? No, I didn't know. Oh, he is. Where uh is he in there? Ask Serge or does he have a different name? Yeah, he's s his name Serge. He's okay. Well, Serge, thank you for that yesterday. That was cool that you did that for Jamie and I. What can I say something about him real quick before you you absolutely delve into this? Yeah, go ahead. What a wonderful person. It's because besides the fact that he has But there's an extra reason saying this. There's more icing on the cake because he because he kind of maybe alluded to Jamie being a handsome guy yesterday. So Serge is cool, but he's extra cool to Jamie because of the handsome comment. So dude, he said I was handsome. You got So this guy, he lit up like the hottest woman ever told him he was he was a he was a handsome man. He got so excited when I don't even know what we were talking about that he dropped that comment, but it was very lovely and he made me feel your color changed. You got like more warm looking. It was lovely. I miss my wife so much, guys. She's been gone for four weeks and I miss her so much. Oh god. Serge, please. So, I'll tell you what's going on with me and Serge. Yeah, please. Doing a podcast. Um, we we've been talking about this for probably about a month because he has some amazing ideas, opinions on on pinball, pinball rules. Uh um and we were going to like, well, let's just discuss them during a tournament. Well, that doesn't that doesn't work. There's so many interruptions. Yeah. Which I do like how in between balls because you don't have another rig, but we're gonna get you another rig eventually. And uh that uh Serge mics up and goes and tucks you through. That's brilliant. And we just did that. Yeah. Uh on the most recent tournament. You can go check it out. The VOD is available at twitch.tv/election.cade. We are not sponsored by you, but might as well be. So, finally I was able to talk Serge into like, let's just actually do a podcast. We'll put it on the uh Electric Bats channel at Electricbat Arcade presents. And I don't want to ruin the title. And it's going to be me and Serge talking about uh you know, pinball, pinball rules, where pinball's headed, just Serge's opinion on pinball. And he sent me the outline, and it is. Do you have a name yet? We do have a name, but we don't want to You don't want to release the name here? Not yet. Come on. or tease. No, not yet. Uh um he's fantastic. I think that would be a brilliant show. That would be really cool. Um and I can't wait to listen, that's going to be a great listen. So, real quick, cuz I'm so curious, and if if you can't talk about it or don't feel I'm I'm very curious when people like him, he has this like brain where I think he can look at a game, analyze the rules, and it's almost like he builds the tree in his head. Yeah. Does does Serge do something like a technical job? Is he an engineer? Like what is his like background? He what do you call what he does? He looks at X-rays. So things where you have to be very detail oriented. This life you're talking life or death. Okay. So that like makes it seems like every time I meet someone that re it's like their they can put their brain and like absorb a whole machine. They usually have pretty interesting jobs like that. Kale told me he wasn't on enough podcasts and needed more exposure. I think Serge is correct on that. And you know, uh, Jeff from Dirty Pool, he wanted to interview Serge and you said, "No, you pulled it." Said, "Well, no, no, you pull like late night television and we'll let him uh out of his channel." I was like, "Serge he's a bad old booker. He's not booking. He's got a bookie now." You know, I said I said, "You know, Serge, you're like a thing now. People want to hear your opinions." And he's like, and he was like, "Man, tell him, you know, I'm I'm I'm so sorry, but I just want to be the man behind the scenes. I don't I don't want to be upfront. I don't want to do a press tour. Uh but like people want to hear from Serge. Why why wouldn't you? I think he's fantastic. And uh X-ray Looker. So So that's that's Stringer Films. What's up, Stringer? Uh you guys will I don't think either one of you. You'll meet him at at Expo this year. So Chance Hammer says, "Are any of you guys going to buy I I'll just say Star Wars in general because he says Star Wars LE. I mean, I'm not going to buy the LE, but uh I don't know if I'm going to buy it yet." I mean, we obviously haven't seen it, but I don't know if I'm going to get it. I know you guys will get it. Yeah. And Eureka is getting the Pro. Yeah, we'll have one. Eureka is definitely getting the Pro. Uh, so I I are and Unfortunately, none of us are going to their media day September. I'm still up in the air. You're still up in the air. I'm still up in the air. I'm not going. I can't go. Because Neil Neil McCrae was in the chat and he said I think he said he was going. He asked if I was going and now it got me kind of excited. Oh, because Neil. Yeah, Neil. You just needed a Brett. I mean, I don't give a Not your two friends here. Oh my gosh. Dustin comment is awesome. Don't cross Serge's pimp. Oh, yeah. Yeah, right. Um, but unfortunately, we're not going. But, you know, it'll be released any day now. We'll get the trailer and all this. Uh, what are we hearing? We're hearing it's going to be good, right? Well, the first thing I'm, you know, when I get the email from Zach and it's like you you're you you're gonna do a factory tour and I'm like not another why have to do another factory tour. Like can't I just come in? No. And and if you've never seen the Stern factory, it is it is awesome. It is amazing. But I've seen it three times. But why why can't they do something different? like they they have to be creative and think of something different because this aren't these mostly the same people. I'd say like 85% probably 90 I think they have like a 10% they float in and out. I'd say 90% of them have been on it so it doesn't you know it's going to be like you know this machine this is that Godly created it and we've used every single playfield that's ever come out of Stern is but hearing Dwight talk about and it's like like how many times do I have to hear this story? But Dwight, Dwight talking about the Hannifin press is pretty epic. He gets freaking pumped up on that thing. He's got He's an awesome tour guy. If you're on a tour, you have to get with Dwight. Dwight's the man. The best part of Dwight's tour was when he was showing us the machine that extrudes the foam for the packaging. Didn't need to tip them all over. Oh my god. I wasn't there. I wasn't invited to that. So they I wasn't invited. These people are working, right? They're working. They You can look on their face. They're aggravated that we're even there. Yeah, because you're sitting there with your DJI. You know what gets the most aggravated? The guys do it putting on the artwork. They're like, Jesus, we've done this. Like, come on, guys. Cuz there are people some of the I try I try to respect people's boundaries, but there are content creators who will put the lens like up their nose and I'm like, dude, you got to back off a little bit. I mean, these people are working like have a little bit of Yeah. You know, sure that that's how you that's a good setup for what's going on. So, we're we're hanging out with Dwight. Dwight's telling and Dwight is the most entertaining person on the planet. What was this for? D and D. This or for Wick? No, I wasn't there for D and D. Oh, no. What was it? No. What was this for? Wick? Oh, [] This was for Wick. I wasn't for Wick. It was It was me and you were at DN D, right? Yeah, but you were at DND. You were in D and D. We r together. The DN D. No. Kong. Who's telling the story? This happened during this happened during Wick. Your whole I don't know. I didn't He Whatever. Wick. This was for Wick. So, uh, sit back. This is like a It's like a five second. I'm not gonna say anything. I'm done talking. Oh, okay. What's next? No, no, but it was funny cuz I was there. He knocked over a bunch of [] and he's like such a fun guy, right? So, but we're he's showing us and actually I think this is like the most interesting thing besides the fact when they took us into that machine shop and they said we'd never bring anybody in here. I can't believe they're actually letting you guys in here and there were there were blueprints or or CAD drawings that were printed out. Yeah. They didn't let us during the other tour. Oh, cool. And I'm sitting there I'm the only one looking at these things because I'm like, "Hold up. I've never seen this before. And like and Jack Danger runs over there and starts like like putting books on top of [] Oh, no kidding. Yeah. And then there was the actual prototype of this thing and I grab it and start holding it. Nobody else in the tour is like knows that this is something new and I'm I'm like, "What's it called?" Rodeo. What is this? And like Jack grabs it from me. Oh, it was good. It was good. But nobody else on the tour picked up on it and I'm going like, "Yo, that's for the new game. That's for the new game. And the code name was rodeo which ended up being King Kong because it was uh I wonder what it was. Do you remember what you Greg's last rodeo? Do you remember what it was? Cuz it probably was in like such an early stage. Do you remember? I can't even I would have to look at the game and you know lift the table. But that if you think about it that says my eyes are glazing over and leaving his body. I'm not I'm okay. The John Wick tour though was the first time I think they had done that with the bigger group. So, like they probably didn't because you remember Jack came out and he goes, "Make sure you guys hide some stuff." Uh, here's a good one. Stern has been using animation the last couple of releases. Do you think the new Star Wars will be animation instead of movie? It's going to be movie. I think combo. Yeah, combo. But it's also I think the most important thing it's going to be movie clips with the sound. Some companies have trouble with that. Oh, yeah. And so, which companies Kale? I I've heard I've heard on podcasts that there companies, but um Stern nails it when it comes to putting putting the proper sound with the movie clip. They do. And and that's what you're going to get with Star Wars. There's no way they're going to animate. This is This is going to be iconic. This is this is going to be a game they're going to sell for a long time. Star Wars was their biggest seller for so long. They just tabled it. They put it in the vault. This is going to be their big seller. This is a huge IP. But I think they'll do like what they did with Wick. Like you will have some parts of the game where it's it's like an animated screen that like they they you know what I mean? Like they regenerated stuff that's animation that looks so good. Like if they want to do something with Star Wars like when it says extra ball do this. They might Oh, you know what I mean? Like they'll do something with like the car the characters are going to be movie scenes. Yeah. Of course. But I think they might add a couple animations to spruce certain things up or because it's going to be nice. Yeah. So, I I don't think it's going to be like D and D where they make up their own story. It's going to have We already know it's going to have Spike 3. Yep. Do you think Well, actually, do you think they'll make up their own Do you think they'll make a story out of four, four, five, and six? Like their own unique story? No. It'll be the movie story. I think that would be a terrible mistake. I don't think they'll There are people that think they might do that. I don't think there are people that that are convinced. Yeah, but there also there are people that buy a stir machine and throw the pinballs in the trash. We can't like we can't like go, oh, these these people are saying this, you know. Um, yeah, it's going to be great. Joe says he's willing to bet this new Star Wars will not have any liveaction footage. How much do you want to bet? Who's saying that? Joe's chair. How much does he I I'll bet right there. Second to the bottom. I'll bet you. No, Joe. I think he's wrong on that. I'll bet you 200 bucks. I'll bet him 10. I He owes me 10 bucks on uh Alice in Wonderland. Double or nothing with Will you be at Expo? Wait, what's Bluetooth on Spike 3? That's the rumor. Yeah, that's a rumor. I never use it though. I have it on the JJP. I don't even use it. Yeah. Um, when we had But maybe you guys have a lot of people that wear headphones. They might be into that. They No, but they like listening to our music, right? With Sterns, maybe. When we had a lot of Jersey Jack games. Was anybody using it? I I'll bet I'll bet you five. I want to do 200. I mean, if you if you're so sure about this, I like I'll even like I'll Venmo you 200 right now so you can hold it. So you can and then you have to Wait, hold on. We're getting Hold on. Driving in here. Hold on. When the game comes out, you have to send me four. Uh, put money down. Make bets with KO. Come on, Jamie. Yeah. Yeah, I'll put money down. Glass. Cash on the glass. Cash on the glass, baby. What were we talking about before this? Oh, Bluetooth. Yeah. when we had uh we had a good bit of Jersey Jacks in in the uh Electric Battle Arcade for a little bit. There was only one person that used the Bluetooth. Yeah. Because he would complain when it wouldn't work to me. Um yeah, but he he loved it and it's it is cool to be able to hear. It's cool because you can actually Yeah. get a good He complained about a delay. I don't I don't know. Is that a valid Have you tried it? I did it on Bluetooth has a delay. I did a delay. I did it on Avatar and I did it on Harry Potter and they both seem fine to me, but that could also be like important says it's legit uh wired. I mean, I could see where someone would say there's probably like a little delay, but that's Bluetooth anyway. You're going to get latency a little bit, right? And that's the problem. Like, how is Stern going to get around that unless they have mastered time travel? Yeah, I don't think they're going to get around that. I I think everyone if you're streaming is still going to do it wired. They're probably not Bluetooth. I wouldn't. People were asking earlier about Cuphead uh was right in the beginning while we were talking about Dune. Do you think that I'll ever see the light of day? No. Yeah. I don't think so either. No. Why? Did they lose the licensing some of the It just doesn't matter. It's matter, right? Yeah. Like why? It's irrelevant. There's so many great games out there. Why Why turd it up? turn up the market. It's a good year for pinball this year. This year we had a good year so far. We've had a great year. This year's a good year and we haven't seen anything yet. I mean, it's just going to get better. Yeah. I mean, did you hear the rumor this morning? Cup dead. The pinball studio says, "Yeah, it's definitely Cup dead." That's funny, man. But I got to see pictures of it. Cuphead. I got to see pictures of Cuphead. Yeah. And Yeah. Let's see him. No, I can't see. No pick. No proof. No pick. No proof. wants to see. All right. He wants to see Cuphead. How many people do we have in the in the chat? Oh, wait. We didn't even check if we got to 100. If we get a 100 people, we'll show we'll show you Cuphead. Jamie will show you Cuphead if you get to 100. It's 84. Yeah. Okay. All right. No. Oh. Oh, actually Vic has a good question. Or this. Yeah. As a streamer, what are you guys hoping for in Spike 3? The H. The biggest one is they've already kind of uncovered. HDMI out is the biggest one to me. Okay. Streamer's funny. I don't I don't care. I'm you and I are not going to use HDMI out cuz we're moving the rig around. We're moving the rig around. We're not individual game streamers. I'm really excited about it because it's a pain in the ass. I got to every time I stream. When you do stream Jersey Jack, you use HDMI out. So, so a Jersey Jack, you can just put a splitter on the end of it and just do one to the LCD and one to your thing. So, it can natively go HDMI out. Do you use that? Yeah. All the time. Okay. Well, at home I do. Cuz if I'm going to stream it, I want it the best I could possibly show it. Right. Let's see the pictures. No, I can't show you. Stern. What bummed me out is when I first got into the hobby, Stern had created an HDMI out board that plugs right in. It was an LVDS converter that you plugged right onto the pins of the LCD. No, I don't have it. It at the time I got into pinball. Stern did not They never released it though. They didn't create that. That was Jim. Who created it? That was Jim. Okay. But they but it was a Stern branded thing. Like it like I saw the Stern branded version of it. It just never came out, I don't think. Right. Correct. He wasn't supposed to do that. Oh, really? But I don't know what Oh, so some other guy. That's what drives me crazy about this industry. Okay. Can I do a But the thing was effing awesome because it made it so I could go and I'm done. We used them at the Black Knight launch. All right. And that was just something that And it was probably awesome because you just snapped it in and just It was great. You're done. You're good. But there was you they was licensing issues. Yeah. All right. Well, anyway, so so they they have HDMI out now. That's the thing I'm the most most excited about. I mean, I mean, I guess better lighting would be cool because when I'm streaming, I had to put so many lights on it. So, if they have a better lighting, maybe it's less light. I don't know. But what do you do if it's a music pen like uh Well, that sucks cuz they do have modes though now like in the code where you can where you can like setting it basically disables. But it kind of sucks cuz Where were you going? You were like that's the thing about this industry. You had a thought. Yeah. What were you going to say? Now you forgot it. You forgot. velop something cool then don't release it to the public. Is that I find this industry bananas as as someone that owns a small business. Right. The and I harp on things like we had a conversation about slouching so bad. Uh we had a great conversation at at a previous round table about Keith Ellen potentially leaving Stern and going to JJP. And I had said some things about, you know, he has a non-compete in this and he might not even have a non-compete. Like this industry does things so differently than the business world that Ralph and I live in. It is true that that I will agree with you. It is it's very fascinating to me, Kale, because it's so different. Like the fact that this that he could even walk drives me crazy. Like how could you let Keith Owen potentially walk and leave Stern? I I and I have like in in the tech in the tech world, we they would be like, "Okay, Keith, we're going to give you X amount of stock options that are going to vest over the next four years, so you will not leave." And usually that would be so lucrative that it would be the dumbest ass move. He could be walking away from like I'm just making this up like half a million dollars if he I'm just in if it was tech like they would they would throw in. I know, isn't it? This you you can't think about pinball like that. You I know it's hard. It's this it's Pinball World is tiny. I don't even know. Like what does Stern make a year? I don't even know what their annual revenue is. Like I know that's not public, but what do you think they make a year? Are they a It's $50 million company, $25 million. I have no idea. I think they're $100 million company. You think they make that much? No. I think they're valued close. They're going to value themselves at 100. No. It's more than that. You think? Well, their valuation would be more than that. I think I know it. All right. Maybe this I don't even know if people care about this topic. I just find it fascinating. When we when we talk privately, it's something that drives us crazy. Okay, you have to you have to I have to run about this. You two carrot. Stern has no What? Oh, he has to go. Well, what other carrot? What other carrot like are you like what carrot could they dangle? Like let's just say hypothetically speaking that he's he's absolutely leaving and this is Stern. They're going to they're going to meet in a they're going to go to a boardroom and go, "All right, how do we keep?" What carrot can they dangle? Because they maybe they don't have the funding of a large tech company, but what could they dangle in front of them to that would make you you stay if you were like their lead designer? Uh well, I mean they could I mean they could, you know, I don't think maybe give a better cut of like game sales or something. There's there's all all kind of stuff like that like you know some kind of better split with some partnership with game sales. uh a bigger bomb, you know, there's stuff. There's all kind of things you can offer. That would be interesting if you said, "Hey, Keith, on your games, although it probably piss off the other designers, maybe they don't have to know about it. Your bomb can be more or Right. I mean, there's all kind of things like that you can do to keep a designer around, but that that screws up the platform because like if if they give let's say they give Keith a bigger bomb, well, that's the only game you're going to buy, right?" That's true. because you'll be like, "Oh, those are the most loaded are the ones." Yeah, that doesn't even make sense. Like, you have to stick and and Gomez is it's probably hard to get Well, well, it's also hard, but you they don't have any competition. Yeah. So, they're like Well, I guess also it matters on like we we deal with this a lot in technology. Some some of the people some of the people that work for us on the engineering side are really motivated by money. So, if you want to keep them, that's what you throw at them. But then there's people that we have that that does not matter. Like they they make they they make good money. They're like I like notoriety. I want to go at a conference and speak as the expert in that topic and that's their like their currency is that. Yeah. So like I don't know. Keith might not even be motivated by money. He might feel like he makes enough at Stern, you know. Who knows? None of these guys are motivated by money. There's no money in pinball. I mean that's the best. That's We say that all the time. I know. We say that all the time because if I could make money in pinball, this is all I would do. I would just for the rest of my life, I would just hang out with pinball. It would be unbelievable. What What you don't understand is this all across the board, all of these companies, they're just a bunch of nerds that want to make games and have a good time and and you're thinking like I know we we definitely come at it with the wrong like we come at it with this like like it's a tech company and it's really I know. I can't help it. I'm I'm an entrepreneur and I just can't I just can't I can't get my head around it and it drives me bananas. And if you keep seeing me look at my phone, my wife is is drafting. She's got her fantasy football draft tonight and she's trying to ask me to help her. By the way, we didn't hit the hundred. So ah that's okay. What are we doing? Another half an hour. You want to do another half an hour? We're already almost We're already almost two hours into this. This is what happens with us though. We just go and go. Uh, I do want to rail us in for a second and released this morning. Canada said that uh, Big Bang Barretty Gaming. Yeah. Do we care? Uh, I don't. No. Are you going to get one? No. I I played the original Big Bang Bar. Um, at my former place, we uh they had a uh Big Bang Bar. Mhm. Original Bing Bang Bar from Capcom, right? Uh, one of uh, 15 or 14 made, right? I've played this machine a lot cuz we brought it to shows to show everyone this is an original Big Bang bar made with the parts. You could see the numbers. They match the heads and everything. It's not a very fun game, right? Okay. First of all, why even make But why even make a why even make a game that just because it was rare? It feels like that's the only reason why people think it's cool cuz it was rare. My guess is they just had a serious flop, you know, with with uh House Funhouse. And so they're like, well, let's let's do something really really unique field because that that seems that's what people kind of want. But like a manufacturer doing something like really weird and and different. Um that's the only way to stand out. Will they sell? I don't think so. I don't think so either. Most people It's not a very good game. It's it it's fun for a little bit to see the twirling alien. It's fun for a little bit. For a little bit, right, to see the guys and lock a ball while they're drinking in in the bar. What were you going to say? You were going to say something that was really interesting about you don't want to be woke, but what? Oh, this is the girl spinning with the, you know, I mean, she's, you know, sexy sounds. I'm not trying to be woke, but that's a little old for me. Uh, you know, that's a little old school. I don't need that. But I just don't think it's that fun of a game. What is the what a question I've never asked because I've seen it at Mark's house. Like Mark showed me his and he was giving me the history cuz like his I think was the remade one I think he Yeah. So what they did is Capcom shut down. We know the story. yada. They made like four and then they took the parts that were extra and they made 10 more or maybe 12. It doesn't matter for the story. Yeah. And then the guy, you know, he did his whole life. He was an arcade guy and he did his whole life and he made 200 and something after all that buildup. It's not a very fun game. Yeah, it doesn't. Sorry. It's true. Like who gives a [] about Bang Bang Bar? It's not good. Do you know what's interesting to me is is this is something I did a lot when I was covering like arcade stuff when people would release products. If there's something I don't and I get it if there if you if you treat your your content creation as a media outlet, then you talk about everything, right? But I feel like this topic like Big Bang Bar, like it's fun for us to talk about right now, but like this will probably the last time I ever talk about it cuz I don't care. Yeah. It's one of those things like I think there's a little a lot of that in pinball where like people report on stuff where it's like they sell 50 of this obscure game but like no one really cares. Right. I don't know. Like I don't but I don't get as a company your motivation must just be like if it's a money if they're motivated by we got to make more money. Why would they do that game? It's not what are they doing it for? This entire company is I mean this entire industry is propped up by just people with with cool dreams and most of it is just like extremely wealthy people just having fun like like you guys that understand you guys that understand business trying to make sense of pinball that's all the time we go crazy this is us all the time but the weirdest thing is We've had this exact conversation so many times and y'all are still like your mind's blown off. I can't believe it's like this. What the [] are they doing? And I'm like, bro, what I mean, this is this whole industry is insane. Yeah, it's sad to me. Like I like like I've told I almost want to be a consultant and just like just for business. Really? What are you going to fix? Tell me tell me your idea and I'll shoot it down. I mean it doesn't like like I told you. I just want non-compete so people don't walk away with knowledge. Walk away from where? Walk away from one company to another with uh proprietary knowledge. Who car? Look when when uh when Jersey Jack hired Tom Capra like okay they were freaked out. They were like, "Oh, now Tom knows the next four games and and that." But that knowledge only lasts for 12 months and then it's gone. Like no one cares after that. And Tom is a from what I understand a great mechanical engineer. He didn't fix Jersey Jack flippers. Yeah. Like and like you were saying like, "Oh, just add some node boards." That's not how it works. No, I know. I know. That's not how it works. Before I leave my body with that, like one person cannot leave Stern. I mean, this is a company that's been around forever. They they have a wealth of knowledge and a people that have been with them for long time, couple of decades. And like like one person leaving, I mean, you act like if like if Elwin leaves, oh, they're going to fold. You know, it's I'm not saying that. I just think the proprietary knowledge that he has in his head. He's just a game designer. And I'm I'm not He's amazing. I don't know that I'd say I don't You know what I mean? The knowledge that he has. I wouldn't say they're going to fold, but I'd say he's such a great like people love his game so much that I do believe that when Stern create when Stern releases an Elwin game, I think there's a high level of confidence that that game's going to sell well. Oh, 100%. But that doesn't always happen. No, I know. I don't think King Kong sold as well. You know what sells well? The the IP. That's true, too. That's what sells well. Like every almost everybody in pinball would tell you Star Wars is a [] game. It's the bestselling game they ever made. Is it Godzilla supposed to be the bestselling game? I love Really? Oh, because of the the Costco and the other versions of Star Costco. No, no. What do you think? Now you're confusing me. Where do you go with Costco? Why? I don't know. This this guy I don't know. I'm confused. I was following you and then he threw me off. He threw me off. I don't know what she's drafted. I'm getting all [] up. She took McLean. When I'm saying Star Wars Star Wars is the best is the the highest selling game they ever released. He thought it was because they just put him in Costco. That has nothing to do I think he was just off in La La Land right there. I don't know. Has nothing to do with it. I left my body. And Elwin is a just amazing designer and a force to be reckoned with. But you have to understand he's still he's a he's a he's a pinball designer. Like he doesn't like the company doesn't go away if he left. They'll correct. Other people will pick up the They already have other people there. Yeah. They would like I mean I don't know someone Ice I feel like has done some really cool [] at Stern which could be a great designer. We don't know yet is like what if Gizki has I mean she seems super creative. Maybe she ends up be take you know who knows she might do some she would you think she'd be more of a coder she's going to JJP. Oh she would go with because uh Oh right yeah never mind. Flathead said this is out of control. Yeah this he's right. I love that. Did you say that? Did you say what trash can Ninja said? Because that's awesome. He said Kale said it best. If you want to earn, get a stern. You didn't actually say that, did you? Did you say it like that? For sure. I did. Oh. Oh, wait. No. Rachel has coined it. Nope. That is a Rachel trash can. We have Borg. Th This is very interesting because if that happened, that just happened recently cuz the last time what happened uh with trash can Godzilla finally outsold Star Wars. Um because when I was I was hanging out with some with some guys from Stern and they were saying it was very close to doing really in total sales. It was very close to doing that and if that's true. Yeah, that's awesome. That finally happened and then maybe that's why they vaulted it and wanted Borg did confirm Godzilla outsold Star Wars. Oh good. Oh wow. Yeah. Wow. Well, that was also a perfect storm with uh co and all that [] But uh I'm I'm pumped about the new Star Wars. I hope it's better than the old Star Wars. I'll tell you that for sure because I think that action button's out of control. I don't I don't like that. It feels like you're like You ever watch someone who really knows that game? Yeah. They tweak out. It's like like they go freak out on the action. Yeah. Are you talking the tie fighter [] You got to like freak the hell out. I don't mind the tie fighter shot cuz that's kind of fun once in a while. No, but when you're doing but in moving and moving your shot and moving all that [] it just got too complicated. No, they Yeah. No, I think so, too. Yeah. I wasn't a big fan of that Star Wars, but I can't wait for the new one to come to Eureka. That should be fun. Yeah. Um, this guy on the right absolutely sucks. Is that me? Why? The guy on the right, uh, I'd like to see MXV design a game. Well, I tell you what, uh, aren't you guys close with him? Does he, is he? He would, he would love to design a game. Um, but I mean there there are a lot of guys, even some guys that aren't in the spotlight that uh would like to design that or at Stern like who who ever heard of Elliot Elliot Eismin before. He Yeah, he was a mechanical engineer. Yeah. And he made a a banger despite despite what Jamie says. I hope I never see him. But he such a nice Elliot's always just make the ramps bigger. But my my point is like like uh MXV would love to design a game. There are a lot of people at Stern that would love to design a game. Uh but just there there's only I mean this market's already oversaturated. They don't need to release 18 games a year. We were talking about that the other day. I think I I know I know there's a reason why they I know the reason why they have to create as many games as they did. I almost wish that they built half the size of that manufacturing facility and did two a year. Two solid releases. a remaster. They they wouldn't be able to survive like that. Well, but if they didn't have the overhead of the bigger factory maybe, right? You don't think so? No, but two in a remaster. The same thing with the old factory. But you don't think you have to have that excitement. Okay. You have to have that excitement. Every quarter they need to release a game. That keeps you. That doesn't mean they stop building the game. They release before that. Yeah. But like could you could you imagine like if Stern So you're talking about like 12 months they're only going to drop two games. No, three with the rem. No remaster. Two that you you have to have more hype. You have to have more excitement. Like I mean that that almost looks like what what are you doing? You have a company that drops three products a year. Yeah. I I think what what Ralph's point is that they have such a huge manufacturing facility that they built that they have to keep that wheel running for for they can't afford not to, right? I mean, they can't afford to keep it. Do you know what I'm saying? He doesn't know what you're saying. He doesn't know. I don't know what I'm saying. No, he doesn't know what you're what we're saying. But let me know what I'm saying. You know what? Yeah. All right. We got it. I'll tell I'll tell you. There was a there was a there was a conversation. Let's go 15 more minutes. That's we got to cut it off at 15. Th This is This is what it all comes down to to all these people that think they could run Stern better that have better ideas. Um when we we Rachel was with me when when we were in the boardroom and people were asking questions like this. This is back to this was during the uh John Wick one, right? John Yeah, I think was it John Wick? Yeah. When like Gomez had us in the boardroom, right? Right. And and people not exactly like what Ralph's talking about, but they there were some wild ideas being thrown around and and Gomez was trying to answer him and Seth just shuts everything down. And he says, "Look here, I'm just going to say this so we can move on. I have data that nobody else has and those ideas won't work. Yeah, I wasn't there when he said that. Right. And that I that I actually felt like I resonated with that cuz in in my world tech, right, someone would say that same thing. They'd be like, "Guys, you don't in a he very respectful way, you don't understand what you're talking about. Yes. We have the data to prove that you're wrong, right? So that's why we don't do that." But it was respectful. He did it in a really respectful way. 100% agree. That was good. And and that's that's the thing, you know, we just we all these ideas that people have of I can't believe Stern's doing bunch of [] idiots, you know? Well, they're I mean, they're the only company that's still around, you know? Everybody else folded or got out of the business and and the reason we have Pinball today in the in the way it is is because of Stern, this dumb company that has no idea what they're doing, you know? It's all right. All right. Where do we go? I don't know where we go from there. We got 15 minutes left, ladies and gentlemen, and we're going to call it. Hold on. Uh, dumb thought. Sterns come back to Wheel of Fortune. Price is right. And Bob Barker. Barb Barker. Why can't I say that? Barb, why is Bob Barker so hard to say? Bob, it's double B's. I can't do it. I can't even say that. I can't even read the comment. I can't do double B. Well, I think the Wheel of Fortune war poker tour phase of Stern wasn't probably their best. Well, right. And that's when like and that's when, you know, after that they hired Jody. Yeah. And he came in and started bringing in some real IPs and that that, you know, that really turned things around. Uh, but I I want to touch on uh Flathead. I wish Stern would sell more banners. I have to talk about Have you guys seen the King Kong banner? Yeah, I've seen it. Uh, what the hell? I don't like it. It's got a giant QR code. Yeah. Right in the middle of it. It's not good. Yeah, it's not a good But did you know there's two different banners? No, I've only seen that one. That's all I've seen. I didn't know there was two banners. Well, when And I don't know why this happened. You know, they have a new um uh head of marketing or not Zack. What? A new CMO. Yeah. The guy that came from WWE, right? Right. Super cool guy. Um but uh and I don't know if that's where this this change happened cuz I mean he's motivated to he needs to move the needle. He's he's to make more sales. So every banner they sent out with the launch party kit just has a giant QR code right in the middle of it that takes you where? I have no idea because I haven't scanned it. But I would imagine it's some kind of sales insider connected maybe. No, it's going to be like buy a because I think it says buy it now. But maybe that's just the one cuz at home I wouldn't want that banner to have a big QR code in it. Correct. But the the problem is I mean if they were going to do that they should have sent both banners because almost every arcade I know of that that is a prize for a winner or a random prize for the launch party. Yeah. And every everybody came up to me, even from other arcades were like complaining going, "Could you get in touch with Stern and make sure they don't do this again?" Cuz like everybody was like, "I'm not putting this on my wall." They they take the winners put it on their wall at their home arcade and they're like, "But now it looks like a giant ad." Yeah, that's weird. And so they really should have put So there's one you just made one. There's a miss. See, sometimes they miss. Oh, 100. Sometimes they miss. Swinging a miss. Yep. And I love those banners. cuz I have them all in my garage. Well, in my garage. I'll tell you a funny banner story. When we went to uh Expo last year, I was walking in Matthew Guyer is I think he's the CMMO. Yeah. He's the chief marketing officer. Yeah. It's not CFO. Yeah. So, we're walking in and we see the avatar banner, right? Yeah. And it's beautiful. Banner is really nice. That girl that did the art for that. What the hell was her name? I can't remember her name now. So me and John Space look at that banner and we're like, "We want that banner." Like I think I want to steal it. Yeah. And uh you could you could have just Ken Cromwell. It would have given you I know. But we were going to like We were thinking cuz it was late at night. We were getting hammered. We're like we're going to rip this banner off. So we come back the next morning. The total banner was stolen. Was totally It wasn't us. We didn't do it. But we wanted to rip it off but we didn't have the guts. But uh somebody totally ripped off that banner at the expo last year. You were at the Avatar launch, right? No, I didn't actually I which is weird. I didn't get to go to that one. Okay. So, one of the interesting thing they told us about the that artist, you know, she did like all the art. She completed the art and then like they show uh I guess the IP holder, whoever it is, and they said, "Oh, no. This is all wrong." And it was something like those little blue things. What are they called? I don't know. We don't even biggest movie in the history of the world. We have no freaking idea. Um, apparently they're like they're all left-handed. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And and she put like weapons in their right hand and she had to like redo all of the art because they said they were left-handed. Well, because the the characters Oh, no. They would do that. Yeah. Oh, 100%. Yeah. And and it was uh um freaking Enzo Mark, the guy who made the machine. Yes. Iden. Yeah. He was gonna put the shooter Jamie loves and played a bunch. Yeah. He was going to put a shooter rod on the left side. Okay. As a as a nod as a nod to the the characters. Oh, that would have been interesting. What they called the Naboo or something? Na'vi. We were there. Yeah. Avatar slaps. Hey, Ralph. You like Avatar? Yeah. I actually like it. But there was something that he keeps asking me about. Do you still have your avatar? No. Oh, you like it so much you got got rid of it. Okay. Do you guys think they have FI? Thank you, Joe. Oh, yeah. Fausowski. Yeah. We She wants So, yeah. So, hey, I Enzo keeps saying this. I do I disagree with him though. He has this idea that DN D Oh, I disagree with Enzo. Enzo keeps trying to tell me that Dn D has geometry issues. I don't feel Dirty Pinball says the same thing, Jeff. I don't feel that. Well, I've talked to Jeff, but geometry issues to me would mean like I can't hit the shots because but I don't feel like I can't hit shots on that game. I don't feel that either. Can I explain their issue? If you want to go ahead. Their issue is I think first of all, maybe I don't understand what they're saying. The wording the wording is bad cuz geometry to me is like your math is wrong so I can't hit your shot like that. Right. Yes. Tales in the Crypt has geometry issues, right? What their issues are in order to get to the right upper flipper on the right hand side. Yeah. You got to go through Gizmo shop. Fizmo. Whatever. Gizmo. It's cool. Gizmo. FSM. Who cares? We got 15 minutes left. Nobody gives a [] Like you got to go over to Gizmo. You go to Fizmo shop. Got to go see Gino over there. Dude, I never rolled a a die in my life. Okay, go. I probably bullied some of those kids. I'm not going to lie to you. Uh, so you have to go through Fismo shop or you have to hit this this orbit which is difficult to hit from the from the right flipper. And that's their argument is that to get into the flow of the game and that upper right shot uh to that kind of King Kong ramp, if you will, is very difficult to have. Are you are you talking about how you go to you have to go to FSMO for it to shoot it over to the magnet to grab it and then you Is that what you're saying? That's what you're saying. But how is that that just to me is how that game plays. Well, what Enzo and Jeff are saying is that's horseshit. But then they really are just saying it's vital for the game. But I wouldn't call it a geometry issue. I'd say they don't like the way that the term is set up. Exactly. Don, they just don't like the layout that you have to go to that shot to hit the left side. I don't know. I mean, Don's in the house. What's happening, Don? Don, what's up? What Enzo is saying is like comment on the It takes uh Carl D'Python Anghelo can't hit it. If Carl D'Python Anghelo can't hit it, then what what's going on? It's just a fault. Can Carl not hit those shots? Well, I'm sure he can get in the FSMO and then get over there and then maybe something's wrong with the game he's playing because I'm not good and I can hit the shots. I I I I happen to agree with them that it is not they just shot vitally important and it is difficult to get there and it's not a shot like you look at King Kong he last night is a perfect example of Kale saying okay I can't hit the orbit from the right orbit he's saying what he's not saying what you're saying he's saying the geometry issue is you can't hit the shots that to me would mean like someone designed the game wrong. Well, there also is a flaw in D and D with the uh with the save with the shield because the shield is supposed to perfectly match for the right hand ramp and the left hand orbit and it doesn't do it all the time. It's not Who told you supposed to perfect? I don't think they ever said that. Who said that? Where you getting that from? When we were on the tour when we got the tour. Who told you that? I think they said you can line up your I don't think they said it was per I don't know. It's supposed to be perfect. No, it's not. Nothing in pinball is perfect. But you I think you're in the wrong hobby, bro. I don't think I ever heard that. But no, it when you pop up the uh the shield, it supposed to if it lands on the right hand side, it's supposed to hit that orbit and it's supposed to hit that ramp and the left side's supposed to hit that orbit. That's a per That's a point of using that damn shield during the game. and kale. No, it's not. It is. It's perfectly lined up at Eureka Heights. It's perfect at Eureka Heights. I don't know if I No, you can't. No, it's perfect. Do that sometimes. And that is a strategy of mine. Like I know mine at home. If I can't hit that right ramp to start a mode, I'll pop my shield up, pop my ball over to my left flipper at Eureka Heights, and then it is a perfect shot to the ramp to hit my yellow shot. You're talking about one copy of one machine that is mass- prodduced there. There's no such thing as Well, they need to work on that. All right. I don't even know where to go. I don't know where to go, dude. I don't I like the game. I guess Enzo, to answer your question, I like the game. Don says, "Mine does need to tune the shield." See, correct. Mine does, too, but I guess I don't remember him saying like it it was meant to be perfectly aligned. I don't know. My only issue with the shield is it has too much of a delay when you hit the lock down button. See, I don't think that either, though. Oh, I think uh it took a little while to get used to light tap. I I wasn't a fan of the the slam. I think the multiple tap, but once you play it four or five times, you figure that [] out. It's not a big deal. I don't know. I really like that game. So, I don't want I don't want to seem like I'm being like ultra defens like being all shilly and defending, but I don't play it nearly as much as I used to when it first came out. I had serious diminishing marginal returns. Okay. I think I view it though like I don't know I we'll close off on it but I think when I play that game when I brought it home it felt very different than any other pinball machine I had played in recent times. I I thought of it that way though. I was like this is kind of like a little bit more strategy a little bit more stopand goish kind of gameplay even though it has fast stuff to it. So I I like thought of it that way and that's why I like it. So it's in my collection as a very different game when I want to play and it is a very different game. Yeah. I I I know it is a it's just a different game. It's just But I like it one that's different. This is what And I really This is what's awesome about Pinball. I'm having I'm having a hard time believing that uh Carl can't shoot DND. Yeah, me too. Like I'm I'm not that good and I can hit all of those shots. I I I just understand what they're saying with the flow of it. Hitting in the hitting in the the shop is a little annoying to have to get it to that magnet underneath the gelatinous cube can be a little annoying. I get it. But I don't feel like it's any more annoying than any other pinball game I have. Like I have other games that sometimes I have a hard time hitting shots, but that's more on me than the game. You know what I mean? That's like I don't know. I don't know. We'll move on. We got uh actually someone did point out there is no round table for the round table. It's a good point, Don. There is no round table. We did. Although there was a random round table that showed up at the electric bat that no one knows how it got there. Do you know this? I have no idea. No, seriously. Rachel's like, "Did you bring this table?" I'm like, "No, but you guys have no clue how that round table got literally round." Yeah. And you guys have no round tables. We don't have a round table. I don't know what that You seriously don't know. Like you No clue. Someone rolled an entire round table into your bar and have no one. No. I'm getting hungry. I wonder if that table is now square. Anyway, I know Joe I know it's the FSMO kick out the only way right flipper but um I don't care. That's a good point Joe. I love Joe, but I guess I don't care about that. See, he's saying he's saying Carl killed the game on the stream. Like I And one credit. One credit. All right, Enzo, we're getting some conflicting information here at the round table. I told Enzo I was on his podcast recently. It hasn't been aired yet. Hasn't been uploaded. Uh-huh. And I said, uh, he was complaining about newer sterns being too hard. And at one point, I just looked at him and I said, "Well, I think you're just going to have to get a little better. You know, you're just going to have to play it better because some of them like Kong is not hard. It's just hard to figure out where I should get my points." Yeah. Last night my 20 million wasn't so great. Sorry about that. But you put up 400 and I lost interest. But, uh, you know, I He was saying that modern insurance were too hard. was hoping that Star Wars wasn't so as difficult and I was like, "What do you need?" Like AC/DC Rams. You talk to him. What was an example of an easy game that he liked? I don't know if he's still here. Yeah. What's the All right, Enzo. Give us a give us a game. He said I'm [] stirring, so maybe he's just messing around. Oh, okay. Give us one game, Enzo. We'll end at this. Is that But I don't Here's the thing with the these games, though. Like being someone that's a little newer, right? Mhm. I think when I first got my first pinball machine, like modern one, right? I had not been playing consistently or whatever, I got Jurassic Park and I was like, "Oh my gosh, this game is so hard." Like it made me I was like, "Maybe this isn't the right hobby for me." Blah blah blah. It It took time. Like it took time for someone to like really go, "Ralph, you're like you're [] up. You're flipping all over the place. You're flailing." And then like it took someone to really show me and then I started loving all the games, right? But I think it takes time, right? Like it like I think if my first game was Kong, I might be like this is hard. But but it's also it's not just per game. It it it's per copy peri. It's like your lifetime just learning like one one thing I noticed about a lot of players, they try to force things to happen too much. You know, it's oh it's it's not doing this and you get pissed off and you jerk the machine all around. And um you know Keith Elwin said something a long time ago on a podcast was like if in pinball if you find if you are able to relax Oh it changes everything and do less you'll actually find that you're doing more with pinball. I think that's true. Yeah for sure because I I think about it. Yeah but do games if I think about our tournament real quick. The tournament you and I did so far. Yeah. I'm down five. games where you played well, I could tell you were playing different, like you were more like settled in. Yeah. I I as a competitive somewhat competitive pinball player, we have this idea and we'll we'll I want to throw this out to you guys. We have this idea for a pinball tournament for especially newbies where you have a coach. Yeah. Okay. Mhm. And if you're under 5,000, if you're over 5,000, you get a coach for that tournament, right? But it it can't be IFPA. It can't IFPA. We don't care. We just want to bring more people into the hobby, right? And we want to bring more people into the tournaments. But we just thought a noniffpa event could be really fun if you had a caddy. Yeah. Because that'd be cool. That'd be awesome. Wouldn't it be super fun? Like a caddy tournament. But the best thing would be, I mean, let's This is how that should happen. You should have uh like eight like pro guys, you know. Yeah, maybe they can't play like Elwin, Columalpine, Esher. Yeah. Eight guys and then and eight newbies. And the whole challenge is to and put it on YouTube. And the whole challenge and you like go to the house and watch them practice and then they get to like pair with somebody. They get to pair and they coach somebody on to see like who's always thinking. He's always thinking socially, ladies and gentlemen. Are you saying so like cuz this could be a show like you're saying you get emotionally connected to Elwin and his player and you want to see them win. I [] love that idea. That is cool. Yeah 100%. I was also just That is a really good idea. That's something Danger should do. Like he should do that. Actually Jack should Jack, you could take that. That's yours. That's [] awesome though. I would watch the [] out of that. I I it's like a miniseries of Jack Danger and all these great, you know, Keith Ellen taking newbies and teaching them how to play their progress. But then the like the climax is who's going to win in the tournament. Can you imagine the feelood when this this new guy who just started playing pinball just a couple of months ago, he like wins and you know and he has Dude, that would be so cool. You know, but having a coach goosebumps right now having a coach that's awesome. He said like the voice like I don't know. Well, no, not like the voice because well, yeah, those do I guess kind of, but not in a different Yeah, money is donated or I don't know. It could be just something we're thinking about doing at Eureka is having a coach and maybe your total IFBA point, your total uh rankings can't be less than this and that. And having two people play together and they coach each other in between rounds, they stand next to you. Like when I when you stood next to me and showed me how to do hot dogging, hot dogging has totally changed for me for the rest of my life because now I know that from my left flipper I could barely tap it. Boom. Hit the bonus. Holy [] That was that was such a mind. It's such a unbelievable tip. Bond 60th. Your boy Serge tells me hold the left flipper. Flo it on. Hit this. Boom. Drop targets all fall down. That coaching would just be so cool. Uh, we need someone smarter than me to figure out how to do it. And, uh, that'd be just wicked cool. Especially a YouTube series, YouTube, that's the way to do it. Our at our friends arcade, they do a pinball school and they they take the glass off. It's now it's not a tournament. Yeah. Um, where is this? Here at at Outpost. Oh, really? Oh, the the new place. Yeah. And they do a pinball school. And so they they take the glass off and they they tell you about the mechanics of tap passing and all and all this other like like basic stuff and and uh people seem to like that's working out. That is cool. All right, guys. I think what's funny is Oh, I was Go ahead. No, I was just going to say one last comment. Like you just one more. Just one more. No, when I was playing Bond 60th, you were really helping me, but it reminded me of uh it reminded me of when we went to the D&D media day. Mhm. Remember Elizabeth was going around showing people stuff. Well, she came over to me. She came over to me and she was having me play and I was playing a little bit better with her there, right? But she was trying to tell me some stuff, but I really wanted to do the dragon multiball. And she goes after the game, she goes, "You really like the dragon, don't you?" Like, it was weird. It's almost like she's like, "You like the dragon." But she said it in a way that was like funny. She's like, "I was trying to show you some stuff, but you really like the dragon. Do you know that you can go on our uh uh Stern Insider Connect and look at our Dungeons and Dragon scores and it's still the same from the first two billion on Dungeons and Dragons. I have four billion. The code was so messed up on that day, but I'll never get past that 4 billion. It's the only score. It's like the greatest score I've ever put up in any because you just you'd play it for like five minutes and you'd have like a billion. And she kept saying, Elizabeth kept telling us, the code's going to fix this. And I'm like, I don't care. I've never gotten a four billion in my life on a stern pinball machine. It's just going to be there. Um, guys, this was great. I really had a lot of fun. Do you want to wrap it up or what? What What does Chad say? You guys done with Christopher Chain says 15 more minutes. Wow. We've been going for two hours and 26 minutes. I'm just glad we stopped talking about Dune. So, um, [] Christopher, are you are you serious? He He says Chris said he's going to start a pinball art class. That would be cool. I don't know if he's serious or not, but he's probably joking off. He's probably He joke so much that I don't know. Well, you know, um uh Zombie Yeti kind of he actually kind of talked to Rachel about kind of like that. His his process of bringing new people. Is that door opening by itself? Isn't that weird? Is there someone there or did that door literally just doesn't lock? It just doesn't lock properly. Oh, that's pretty weird. Uh Carrie Hardy says, "Who's the guy on the right?" He go back to you. No, because it' be this way. Everybody be right. Okay. Hold on. I got to tag this. I got to Oh, that was so great. That is so great. Thank you so much, Carrie. Let's give a shout out to Carrie Hardy. Uh I really liked the the I watched every one of his streams. Yeah. uh when he went around Texas and you know people make giving him [] that some of the companies are small whatever but I'm really glad he brought that. Well, of course they're small. I mean they're small. They're small pinball companies. This is [] Uh and I really glad that he showcas them especially P3 cuz I got a little special place for P3 in my heart. Yeah. Trying to get you to get one. I still want one. You can't I don't want a new one though. I don't want to pay for a new one. Um Jerry's super cool. Uh so thank you Carrie for doing that. Thank you so much. Honestly, that was really great. That was really funny, Carrie. Um, no, great series. Check that out on Carrie uh Hardy's Live YouTube. And uh he did he visited all three places in in Texas? Uh Turner Pimp. Isn't that weird? Like, uh why is why are there so many Oh, is it because of Deep Routt? Like why Texas? Yeah. Why are there so many manufacturers in Texas now? Is it like a cheaper? I'm sure it's cheaper. I'm sure labor might be cheaper and I also think taxes cheaper. What's cheaper? What do you mean cheaper tax- wise for companies to run? Yeah. Okay. Just it just just tax- wise just running. Labor's cheaper. Yeah. Oh, because of taxes. Yeah. I think everything's cheaper in Texas than Chicago, Illinois, right? Well, well, the only reason I ask is, you know, that's the reason JJP moved was because you're you're closer to all the uh parts manufacturers. Okay, that makes sense. If you go to Yeah. I don't know what the upside is, so I'm just It must It It literally must be business tax reasons. It's got to be. Don thinks P3 hates him. Why do you think they hate you, Don? Oh, no. He said, "I can't help it. They hate me for some reason." Well, maybe you should say some nice things about him once in a while. Don, work on that. Huh? Don, what did what did you say? What do he do? I don't know. Electricity is unregulated and taxes are better. Car's the Texan. He knows. How does the electricity being unregulated make a difference, dude? I'm not a power trader. Okay. I I don't I don't know. I just know that. I mean, it still comes out of the wall, right? It's cheaper to get the electricity in Texas. Dripping on your just So, what do you pay? Like, what is your monthly bill? I only have a small little bungalow now in Houston, but it's like 300 bucks. Holy [] I pay $12 a month for electricity. Yeah. Well, he is solar though. We have solar. Well, yeah. Well, that's how you get around. But I am curious offline. I am curious how big your bungalow is because like to air condition my house, it's even with the garage air conditioner, it's like 450 and I keep my stuff at like I keep my stuff at 72 degrees. I keep my [] at 72, man. What do you guys No, only during the summer though it's that much. During the winter, my electricity is super cheap. It's like in the one something range. Yeah. The summer that I don't like the heat. So in the in the winter time they actually give us money. I know. That's I know. I almost did this. Well, now I can't do the solar thing cuz all of the rebates don't So the Airbnb here has all these signs all over the [] place. And they're like uh the first thing they sent me is don't touch the AC. Really? What is 72? Damn. It's good though. Now I drop it down to 65. Whoa. What? 65? If I'm not [] paying for it. If I'm not paying, we would never do You guys don't do 65. I would never do 65. What's your guys' go-to temperature? 78. I'm melting. I can't. But check this out. I'm fat. You guys understand? I'm a little chunky. Well, I weigh more than you. I know, but I'm carrying fat. You know what I have at home at night? Yeah. I have this thing. [] stretch. Ralph's hanging meat. Am I touching my shorts enough? Oh. Oh, I get it. I can't you did there. You got to hear me out here. I'm listening. We can keep our home at 78 because I have a bed jet. Oh, I want one of those. Are those good? It is amazing. Is it awesome? Is it loud or no? No. I need one for the for the heat and the the cooling. It is the most amazing thing. I hate sweating when I sleep. I want one of those so bad. We don't even use heat in the winter time. All right. Okay. Can I tell you guys uh since we're 65 scene is insane. I would drop it to 65 here just because it's free, you know. Yeah, even there's probably a reason why Ian lives up north and he's saying 65 is insane. I'm saying here because I'm not paying for it. You do 65 at home. No, I do 72 at home. Easy, bro. 100. Yeah. Um, can I tell you can I tell you a story I haven't told you? Why not? Uh, let's let's me and Rob. This is fresh. Okay. Oh, I know. He doesn't know this. I got to pee. Go pee and then I'll tell. Keep going. Hey, Joe. We'll let Joe. We got to be done after this. We got to be done. I'm going to keep going. Really? Oh, God. Just Rachel, order us a pizza. We're going to eat pizza on stream. No, no. We got to end it. I'm going to Don't leave without me. I got All right. Okay. This guy going longer. No, no, no, no. We're going to tell this story and then we're done and then we're going to order some pies. I think Kale's pretty persistent on staying. No, cuz I want to go hang out at the pool and uh once the sun goes down, we'll go to the pool and uh I want to go to the bat. Who goes to the pool when the sun goes down? White people, Rachel and Kale. I'm half Puerto Rican, so I could be fine. Did you give Did you give Ralph another 3 milligram? We'll cool you right down. Oh, the Zen. I think he's talking about Zen, right? Is that what 3 milligram of what? Pizza and stream. We can't go 3 hours, guys. This is This has been too long. Nobody needs this much stuff. This is too long. And they're not going to watch that long and replay. They're going to be like, "No, no, I'm not even Should I even upload this?" 6 hours was about dune. So, I know. Jesus Christ. I'm so glad everyone from that was watching that is gone. But she says, "We look like we're in a dentist waiting room." It's Airbnb. It's Jamie's Airbnb. We do look like we're at a dentist shop. Does it kind of look like that? No, it's just it's a nice little condo. It's a nice little condo. It costs more uh to board my dog. It costs more to board my dog bagel than it did noise. That's a solid drill noise, dude. You can't tell me that doesn't sound like almost exactly like a dentist. I don't like I I don't like podcast with sound effects. Fine. I'm not a sound effect. So, you hate Don's podcast. Is what you're saying? No, I do like Don's podcast, but sometimes he goes a little nutty. You see what I did there, Don? I thought he goes a little naughty on the on the sound. I think you overused that one song, but it makes me laugh every time. We got some hoes in this house. Got some hoes. I like Don. Hey, can we Hey, we're going just one more minute and I'm going to tell you the story cuz I want to eat pizza. I didn't even I didn't even know that song. Kim's like, "You I was like, Kim, what is this song?" She's like, "Oh, I don't know. It came out a while ago or something." Was there Did I miss a story? It was stupid. No, we're talking about Don. You didn't miss anything. You missed absolutely nothing. I hate Don's a fan. We We'll have the the chat. We'll vote on this. I say we order a pizza and we keep this going. I don't even think a yolo box will last unless it die. Is it on batteries? Yeah, it's with you guys using batteries for for uh doing stuff like this because when when the yolo box is is uh plugged in, it it does burn a little warm. Yeah, it does run hot. It runs I have my laptop here. No, we're not. Come on. I think we got it, chat. The producer even says like hanging out with me. I'm getting so hang out by myself. My dog my dog Bagel is a golden retriever and she's a sweetie. Oh, what the hell's happening right now? Uh, let me tell the story. So, we Ralph and I, we have this contest Saturday night and uh uh I get a little messed up. I get a little hammered. Okay. On what? Let's not talk about that. Doing what were you what were you on? Let's not talk about what I was doing. Let's just say I was a little hammered. And he was doing like combos of things. Like he was shoving things in his mouth. He had like everything like Where were you? He had his whole last night. This Saturday night. No, his whole bottom lip was filled with Zins. He had like his whole bottom lips. He had like six Zins in at one time. Okay, let me tell the story. I don't even know if that's a thing. I don't think you're supposed to do that actually. So, I'm [] up. Okay. And we go to leave the bat and we're just going to go to fries which is like a uh grocery store. He knows where it is to get me. I'm telling the audience I got some diet watching. So I go just take me to fries get me some diet cokes. So he hauls out cuz he's a fast driver and I start getting nauseous. Mhm. But I could you know when you kind of on whatever it was you were doing that we can't talk about that in the zen just didn't work. Okay. Well, and I saw in his face like he was kind of got quiet for a minute and his face looked funny for a minute like like you know like the like you're gurgling. I'm gurgling. So I go now orally. What are you thinking? I'm thinking he better not puke in my [] car. That's what I'm thinking. I was literally thinking that cuz I like my car. I'm kind of So we go in the fries. We go in the fries. I get the Diet Coke. I come back to his car and I'm going to throw up. But he got in like halfway like he put the foot in like and and like we're we're looking at each other now and he's like oh I don't know like I shouldn't. And you were like get out. Yeah. I was like I didn't I was a little nice but I was I go I'll be right back. Here's my diet coke. Put it in the back seat. I'm going to go throw up the unfortunately sushi that we ate earlier night. Oh that was good. Gone in the fries parking lot. You really did barf in in the fries parking lot. Oh, right on, brother. Puke. Then somebody throw up in the parking lot and uh it was it was gross. Okay. Of course, it's gross, right? And uh then I puke and rallied. I wanted to go back to the bat. I go, "All right, I'm okay now. Take me back to the bat." He's like, I'm like I'm like, "Dude, we got to you got I got to take you home." I was like, "Yeah, you were so home." It's when you know you know your buddy's not doing good. You just got to go home. Um, so we got uh Ian wants us to keep going. He said he's going to roll some more Jay's. Other people are going to order pizzas. Carrie's making fun of me for an expo joke because apparently there is something called double dough pizza. Do you know this? In Chicago. In Chicago you can order a double dough pizza. And at at in Chicago everyone was hungry and they're like, "Oh, we we want to eat. Want to eat?" They were in my room and I was like, "I'll order a pizza." And I didn't I didn't purposely order double dough. I just got a double dough. Okay. And then like we could why it was funny is that all of them were like this pizza's like super doughy and weird. Like what's going on with this? And then someone looks on the box and it says double dough. And then no one wanted it after that. Like it was it was And then then when we were walking through expo, we were walking back to the hall. I couldn't give anyone a slice of double dough pizza. That sounds gross. No one wanted it. It was really doughy, dude. Like almost like you know you know when you buy the dough you know it doesn't get fully cooked. Yeah. You know when you buy the dough in the can? Yeah. The Pillsbury like the the It's almost like part of the pizza has that. The crescent rolls. Yeah. And it's almost like part of the pizza is doughy and uncooked. Sucked. That's not good for you. Yeah. I don't know. But who in Chicago I Chicago is supposed to be like a pizza mecca and they do double dough. I don't even know what that You know what we should This is got We should do So, I puked and rallied. Don't you think we should do a Not right now, but we should at some point we should do a 24-hour stream just to see who stays awake. That'd be pretty fun. Stay with us. All right. Hey, do you guys want to order some pop uh pizza? Sure. Rachel's going Are we going to eat it? Is everyone wants to keep going, but I'm done. I'm kind of done now. I got to I got to call. Is this thing going to um No, we got Let's just do till it's going to That's true. He said one of the guys in the room, his name's Matt Stringer. He He looked at me and he's like, "What does double dough even mean?" Albert Albert just recorded a 45minute pod and you're still going to drop. When's it going to drop? Yeah, let us know, Albert. When is your uh new podcast going to drop? and hopefully tonight so I can listen to it. He doesn't do much editing. He just throws it up. So that'd be great. And uh I think we're on our way to 24 hours. Two are going to be two 2226. How does that is that next year? Is that known? I don't know that. Who wrote that? Is that true? Christopher Tranchi. He's just We don't even know who Christopher Tranchi is. Does Christopher Franchie know Tanche? Does Franchie know Tanche or no? I got a few texts about uh the beginning of the podcast. So Oh, from who? No, I'm not going to tell you. Yeah, you have to. Ladies and gentlemen, we want Look at Jamie's face. He wants to say something. No, I'm not saying it. No way. Come on. Will you tell us verbatim or will you tell us at dinner? Yeah. But not not live. Not live. Cuz you don't want to expose too much. No. Listen. Jesus. Wait, did you get messages because of your legs or because of Not because of my legs? Let me see if I got some. Just because kale is too hard on barrels of So Franchie doesn't know Tarante and it does irritate me. Wow. Of course. How could it not? I was actually bummed. Somebody was named to the real Franchie right now. I was bummed because in one of my streams the other day it it was it said Christopher Tranchy, but I thought it said Franchie and I got so excited that you were there and it wasn't you. So, but but we like Franchie, I love you. See, we're making a a love connection. We like Tranchy, too. Even though we don't know who he is. I'm I Let's Let's Let's also say this. Thank you guys. Getting him to say it for No, I'm not. Let me see your phone. Let me get his phone. No way. Let's get it. Come on. Can we just get it real quick? Let's get it. Come on. I'm holding him down. Please. Do you have it? He's having a heart attack. I'm having a heart attack. So, I got to go back to Houston, you clowns. Oh, this is going to be good. I kind of want to go to dinner now. I want to get the phone. You get the phone. You're more intimidating. He won't give it to me. Um tell me he'll put him in an arm bar or something. One of the things that I love about this podcast is uh when I first really started talking how this kind of came together was the subject. Yeah, totally. I came together and I called Kale and I called you and I said individually and I go, I have this idea for the pinball roundt and I think it's going to be really great. I think the three of us are fun. Should be a lot of fun. And if anyone has, you know, we've done this for three hours. We had no script. We had nothing and we just bullshitted for three hours and I think people really enjoyed it. So, thank you so much for coming in here. Uh I I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. I have this massive massive imposter syndrome which I'm working on with Sensei Kale here and uh it's been really great. You're doing Hey, we have breaking news here. Is this real? Orbit Games is the new name for American pinball. That is true. Because they they want to do more than just pinball, right? Which they did in the They have some other games. Oh, people don't like that we have legs. It's We're in Arizona. We have to I mean, we only have so much we could do about our They're tiny. You know, I I used to be on a pelon. I don't do it anymore. Uh, thanks, Franchie. Thank you. Uh, all right. It's like watching a scary movie with these legs. Don should Don and Carrie are very impressive to me. Uhhuh. On this story. Okay. And I don't think they've shared this enough where Oh, the American Pinball. The American Pinball story. Oh, it's good. I could have been part of the story. You could have done it. And I uh because honestly, do you wonder why? Why? When they were like, "We're going to American pinball." I was like, "Why?" And then I just Oh, really? He said I was like I'm going to go back. So I had to go I don't remember what the [] we were doing. I think we were going to Stern eat. No whatever you want. We were going to Stern and we had all eaten at a place beforehand. What game? What launch was this? DN D. I think it was D and D. Okay. And Carrie was there. Dom was there. Colin was there. We were all eating and I was invited for breakfast but I didn't make it cuz I flew in early that morning. It was like lunch or something. I flew in early that morning. So I I missed you. We were eating and then Don was like, "Hey, wouldn't it be funny to go over to American Pinball and take a picture in front of the sign?" I was like, "Yeah, no, I don't want to do that." So then I went back to the hotel to get my camera stuff. I was like, "Meet you guys at Stern." But little did I know that they were going to be able to play Cubad cuz then I was like pissed cuz I was like, "Shit, the just the guts, right, to and then Colin Alzheimer's in the car. He wouldn't go inside with Don and Carrie." So for them to come in and like say, "Hey, we're here to see." No, they didn't say they were here to see that. They were like, "Hey, we would like I think that I think they came in and like there was a new dude. It was some new guy that was at Well, Carrie's on chat, so he can fix this for us if we're telling the story wrong. How I believe it is there was a new dude that that was working there, right? And and I think I'm guessing Don or someone was like, "Hey, we're content creators, blah, whatever." And the new guy who would just started there said, "Would you guys like to see the new game?" And they were both like, "Uh, yeah, of course." Oh. And that's and then they saw the new game. And that was just kind of how it went. I find that in other Yeah. No one was at the front desk. That was the thing. And I think like in another universe, Jamie could have been with him and have the guts to go in. But in real life, I would have been in the car with Kinetic Assistant. Dom was raid leader. I very much expected that Don was the one leading that. So was Vic there or he just knows the story? Because Vic was eating with us. Vic was at the lunch with us. So Carrie, Don, they just went by themselves. Can you imagine the look on what they looked like? I w we wish we would have had the security footage when the guy was like, "Oh, we have a new game. Do you want to see it?" I know. Their faces must have been like, "Yeah, cuz any of us would be like." Yeah. You know, they were like, "Well, that's what we're here for. It's such a baller move there." No, but you I don't Yeah, but you didn't go over with them, did you? I was going to make Did all three of them get to play it then? Oh, I don't know. The whole point of me bringing it up is it's such a baller move. Yeah. And it just be like tick tick. I would No, I would be hiding in the car. I just love receptionist. Oh, me and Colin dipped though cuz Stern was starting. Yeah, that's why I didn't go though. I really It wasn't cuz I didn't really want to go. I just felt like I needed to get my camera stuff and there's no way I was going to get back to the hotel cuz I was staying at the Renaissance. I wasn't staying where everyone else was staying cuz because I was already there for work and then I would have to run over. There's no way. Anyway, it Yeah, chickened out. Can I just say because he tells the story too that he chickenened out and he stayed in the car. You would have chickened out though. I would have been with him. But what would they even I would have been with him. No way I would have had the guts to do that. No regrets. But was it because things cuz at that time I think things with David Fix were like really hot. Like cuz he had left. That was when he left the company. He was already gone. Oh, wait. No, maybe he still was there. No, he was gone. But it might have been like fresh. Like I think he was just gone. Like that whole period was amazing because you had that weirdo Steve that was working there that they literally just hired off the streets and and he he as soon as he got fired, he goes on a podcast and does a tell off. Oh, that was pretty. That was I think it was Car's. Was it It was Car's. That's why I joined his Patreon. That video was cuckoo. I joined Car's Patreon because he had that dude on and then that was a good interview. Carrie Carrie didn't even have to say anything dude like oh then they did this and then they did this. No kidding. Yeah. And then that was You need to go back and listen that Carrie. That was actually awesome. It's like Carrie as that guy spilled everything. Oh no. He said it was announced that day that he was going. Oh that's why that's probably why everyone was so nervous. It had to be. Okay. And then David Fix gets fired or or they don't renew his contract. What? That's called That's called fire. Yeah. And then this was the best part cuz you remember I'm the one that broke the story that Amtron was trying to sell American Pinball and David Fix went on a podcast. Oh, that's that's not true. That's not true. He went on this weird tour for a couple as soon as he got fired. He was like, "That's that was absolutely true." And I knew it was true because I knew the details of it. Albert's here. Anyway, that again, congrats to Don and Carrie for going in there ballsy. Good for you. That's real. And I told Carrie now bum that didn't go. What the hell was was I thinking I flew in too late. I would have never thought. You know what they get for doing that? They get four air horns. It's pretty badass. It's just a I missed the hell out of effects. Uh speaking of Albert Albert, since we're still hanging out here, let's talk about Albert, our boy. Let's do it. Where is Patreon? He's got to come to Is he gonna come back? He's setting it up. Well, how long does that take? But he's he said we are the rat pack of pinball. Uh he said some nice things to me as well. Oh, or which So who which ones are we? I think Well, I I'm half Puerto Rican. So I'll You're Sammy Davis, too. I'll take Sammy Davis. Yeah, let's go. Who am I? I'm half Puerto Rican. You're You're white. Uh you're the Italian. Okay. Oh, this is good. Christopher Franchi, he does know so much [] about American Pinball. Oh, wow. I know that for a fact because I mean he's talking to some people I know, but let's just say Yeah. All right. Well, that's interesting. Maybe one day. Maybe one day they'll be like, "Uh, Franchie tells all." Yeah. Well, maybe he'll tell us at Expo, as Rachel just said. Oh, yeah, that's true. Um, what was I gonna say? Oh, well, get it going, Albert. Come on, dude. Yeah, Oliver, we're going to support the heck out. You want to hear the I want to hear the stern rant. Oh, you you still have never heard it. I have never heard it in my life. Oh, so good. Okay, so I got to admit someone after was it was it was our last show that you guys were saying I had to hear it, right? Someone someone had it. Whoa. And sent it to me. You're kidding me. Yeah. And I And it was amazing. It was amazing. No, they said to me, "You cannot." I'm doing the thing they said not to do, but they were like, "No one else can know you have this. I'm not going to say who gave it to me." Oh, so you have heard it. And holy [] Albert, it was so epic. It was the best thing I ever have never heard it. Uh, I was going to Oh my gosh, it was so good for you. It was so good. Patreon and Stern ran forthcoming. All right, so listen everyone, but obviously Albert, I will never share it. I just got to listen to it and I will also support your Patreon. So, but I won't send it to anybody. Speaking of expo, uh, what days are you going again? Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. What about you guys? Same. And Rachel is nodding. Okay. So, my issue is I have a wedding Friday morning. Does chat know cuz we were talking about this last night. Does chat know yet? Last year, didn't Expo open on Thursday night and then I always thought it was Wednesday. I don't That was a special that was the 40th anniversary, right? So they did they did they did do things differently. If I just go Wednesday and Thursday and leave for this wedding on Friday morning, am I even going to be able to walk the hall? I thought the hall opens Thursday. I don't know. I'm We're going to look it up real quick. Does anybody know if they have it handy? I got to pee. Who knows? See, you're good. Oh, okay. Dude, we'll play some pinball. We'll play the new Predator game. Is Colin always does like a media thing. Is he doing that this time? I think so. Hopefully he does that Wednesday night. media mixer. Maybe I'll do that Wednesday night so I can go to that cuz that'll be fun. Uh but then I have this wedding. Can't miss it. Yeah. So I got to fly out first thing Friday morning. So but I am looking forward to expo. You're still on the fence about going to Star Wars. Christopher Franchi is saying he's getting us dinner. Let's get Oh, it's on. That'd be fun. Eat light. What are we going to do? Barbecue. I don't know. What do you do in Chicago? Don says access on Wednesday. So good. We're learning something here. Um that's exciting because I God the Expo is so amazing. I love Expo. That's my favorite. Um I I I went last year. It was the first time I had gone. That's the first time I met you. Yeah. That was my first time I went. Really? Yeah. My first time. Did Did you go the night that we or the year we did the rave party, Marco Specialties? I mean, I might have been there but didn't know there was a rave party, but Well, a lot of people didn't know. It It was freaking crazy. Great. Well, it was weird cuz you had you had to pay what was it like 30 bucks to get in there. So, okay. Michael says Wednesday night's the interior, so they can't do that. Honey, you can come. Yeah. Wednesday, they call it the bumper blast or something. We're gonna have everybody at this dinner. Um, that'll be fun, huh? Yeah. I feel Guys, if you don't know why we're looking over there, it's because we have the TV. We were looking at all the chat. So I know there's a lot of times we're not looking at you. We're looking over. It just took us three hours. We We just told you. So if you made it this far, then the reason why we keep looking over there. They probably figured it out. Yeah. They're not idiots. They figured that out. So uh Christopher Trant, you said Fallout, you're still hearing that rumor. You still solid on that rumor that Fallout is going to be That's That's not a rumor. A rumor means something's false. Like I think Okay, we have a lot of media people in here. I this is this is what really grinds my gears. All right, let's see. That people call so many things rumors. A rumor is something that is is not true that that somebody is spreading. Uhhuh. What? I don't talk rumors. Okay. Well, so so it's unconfirmed. It's unconfirmed. Yes, that's what I would call. So we're hearing Fallout Elwin Fall. Definitely Elwin is not doing Pokemon. That's what people are thinking. No, that's the rumor that's been discussed. Yeah. Uh, Play Mechanics is releasing Halo. I don't know [] about that. Pendred is doing Big Bang Bar. P is it called Pendred? No. Pedreddy. Pedredd. Um, David Fix is looking for a job. Oh boy. Big Bang Bar. Nobody by By the way, what is that? Does that name mean anything? I don't know. Does Big I think it's talking about [] right. Is it talking about [] Oh boy, we have gotten out of control. It's like a That's what it means. It's like a play on words. Yeah, it's a beginning of universe bar. Like do they explain I was almost like, what does the name mean? All right, can we shut this down chat? Don't you think it's time? It's over. We've done three hours. We've gotten a lot of trouble. I've gotten in a lot of trouble already. I want to hear about the show. That's why I want I want to go to dinner. I didn't get in any trouble. Oh, Combo Chuck just tuned in. We have to keep going. That's one more hour. No way. I love Chuck. Combochuck asked a really good question somewhere and I wish I remember where it was and I don't even remember the question. It was on the We We need the Big Bang bus. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to tell you um Michael is that Michael? He He is right. Wait, what? You would make so much You would They would sell much more Big Bang buses. Nobody You just said nobody wants the Big Bang Bar. People want the Big Bang Bus. Ah, okay. Good luck with that. Yeah. Uh, more sound effects. Jamie loves them. No, I I don't love podcasts like when you listen to a lot of podcasts that have a lot of injections of sounds and and that sort of thing. Like, I don't love Especially Especially when they're animal sounds that are too loud. No offense to the pit. That crushes me goddamn loud. Zack does that. He does it on purpose, man. I think he's effing with us. No, the LA I had to go get hearing aids. No, the last pod No, the last podcast particular it was way louder than normal. Like it was That's what I'm saying. I think he's having a go at us. Yeah. Okay. So, you know what? Make it louder. Let's keep going. Let's just keep I just want to clip my damn preamp. Screaming goat and screaming falcon or whatever the falcon is. It's too loud. Got to turn that down. Yeah, it's like a goat monkey or something. I don't know what it is. It's too much. Every time I'm walking and it's too loud. All right. So, uh, all right. He's bringing the sound. Deal. We're wrapping it up. Producer wrapping up. Producers wrapping it up for us. Jamie hat. They're just not doing it. But it's cool. No, I like the super awesome pinball show. I did. I I liked it. I never heard it. Oh, no. It was good. Uh, but I just don't love sound effects. But we're going to wrap this up, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you guys so much. Uh, we're not going to round table for a little while. Yeah, this I think we just filled like six episodes and uh the next on the phone with his attorney of Kale Hernandez or the opinions of Kale Hernandez. He doesn't like it. I I like it. So what? Who cares? Like what, dude? Oh, no. No. I Okay, he didn't say he didn't like it. No, let's clear this up. Rachel Rachel cleared that up. You were going No, no, we already did it. We already did it. Rachel cleared it up. Let me clear this up. I I I like dude like I was when I've I've found one here and there that actually works pretty damn well and I have a blast. And Rachel clarified that earlier. I have a blast. But it you you have to understand when people ask me this question, it's about it's about making money. This is what this is what I do. This is the only job I have. Like okay. So, so just so people can understand it, imag whatever you do at work, let let's say you you have a a kitchen, you know, well, they call those a restaurant and and you need, you know, all restaurants need these devices that keep the food at a certain temperature or the department of health is going to [***] you, right? Yeah. And then and you're going to have to throw all that product out. Yeah. and they put a they put a label on your door and all see. So imagine if you bought a piece of commercial equipment that was supposed to keep your to in order to stay open that day and make money, right? This product has to work properly. This is my fault. This product has to work properly. I know. This is because you took a piss. She covered it. Okay. I'm so sorry. I had to pee. No, but you weren't listening. You were right there over there. You're standing right here. Yeah. But to but I think it's more than just you are confused like like I think Dune is g and I've said this I'm on record. I've said it's beautiful. The shots are freaking amazing. Uh and it's a very cool game and I do I do like it as a as a pinball fan. I like it. But as a business person, right? You don't I don't like it. Yeah, I get that. You probably should have I think you would have been in better shape if we had said that earlier though for you specifically. Oh, okay. Maybe. Did you get the heat on this one for It's unnecessary. You don't It's unnecessary amount of heat. Uh you shouldn't get the heat. Don't give Jamie the heat. He loves you guys. Jamie has Did one of you guys fart? No. What is that smell then? Arizona. Why am I Why did I just move my headphones to smell? Why did I act like I had to move this to smell? I think I think Jamie let a little bit out. Did you? I did not. I have Crohn's, though. Uh, love you guys so much. Wait, what? I have Crohn's disease. I know that, but I don't I didn't fart. All right, let's let this go. I love you guys so much. Thank you so much. Thank you for tuning in on this wonderful Labor Day. Kale's a clown, but we love him. And, uh, Ralph, you can follow them on Retro Ralph Live. You know where it's God bless you. Uh, thank you guys so, so much. I really had a great time today. We officially hit 3 hours, so it's a perfect time to How about Congratulations to us and Jamie stayed awake the whole time. You look solid. Oh, solid like a rock. No worries. Good job. Strong light bulb. All right. Thank you guys so much, guys. Appreciate it. I really care everybody. All right. Byebye. You shut this off. Yeah. I'm gonna go. We appreciate it. Thank you so much. Okay. Kill our mics. _(Acquisition: youtube_auto_sub, Enrichment: v5)_ --- *Exported from Journalist Tool on 2026-08-04 | Item ID: 9030f740-8b56-40ed-ba3a-1337a3ad4f66*