# Episode 257 – Spirits In The Material World

**Source:** Slam Tilt Podcast  
**Type:** podcast_episode  
**Published:** 2025-10-15  
**Duration:** 117m 27s  
**Beat:** Pinball

**URL:** https://www.slamtiltpodcast.com/2025/10/14/episode-257-spirits-in-the-material-world/

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## Analysis

Slam Tilt Podcast Episode 257 covers scheduling chaos for the show, the Stomp tournament results, UK Open winners, Heritage Auction of classic Williams pinball artwork, Dutch Pinball's Alice production status, Spooky Pinball hiring Casey Butler from American Pinball, and York Pinball Show purchases and Star Wars gameplay impressions.

### Key Claims

- [HIGH] Zach forgot about the recording session twice after specifically saying Tuesday was best for him — _Ron recounts Zach triple-booking himself and being at another location working on Black Knight 2000 instead of recording_
- [HIGH] Joe won the Stomp tournament for the second time, becoming the first two-belt winner — _Hosts announce Joe as returning champion who has now won at each location_
- [HIGH] Dutch Pinball Alice game has 30 units available with deadline by end of year or deposits are refunded — _Hosts discuss 30 Alice units and deposit/refund policy; originally thought to be 300 or 500_
- [HIGH] Spooky Pinball hired Casey Butler as full-time in-house programmer from American Pinball — _Direct citation of Spooky Facebook post welcoming Casey Butler; noted as last programmer remaining at American Pinball_
- [MEDIUM] Star Wars pinball Pro version plays better than Premium due to different ramp mechanics — _Zach describes Pro as having better balance; discusses Death Star bracket rejects and ramp differences between versions_
- [HIGH] Fall Brawl tournament cancelled for 2024 due to scheduling conflicts with other shows — _Hosts announce no Fall Brawl this year; restructuring schedule with Stomp in April and Fall Brawl moving to September 20 next year_
- [HIGH] Nick Stein won the UK Open Classics category and dominated, winning every single game — _Hosts announce American Nick Stein as Classics winner who also competed in main finals_
- [HIGH] Heritage Auction has 139 available items of Williams pinball original artwork and proto materials — _Hosts describe auction running through January 2026 with items including Captain Fantastic, Rolling Stones, Future Spa artwork_

### Notable Quotes

> "What did I do? That's what you did. Exactly that. Yeah. Yes. So, folks, this is the shit I go through to try to bring you this podcast."
> — **Ron Hallett**, ~0:08:00
> _Ron venting about the cancellation and rescheduling of Episode 257 due to team failures to remember the recording date_

> "I forgot again. I did. I had to set my alarm for 5.50. And then I told my wife, like, I'm not going anywhere tonight."
> — **Ron Hallett**, ~0:12:00
> _Ron admitting to forgetting about the rescheduled recording despite sending reminders to others_

> "I'm just going to go lick a pinball machine now. Oh. And you're going to guess where it is."
> — **Ron Hallett**, ~0:18:00
> _Transition into discussing the Stomp tournament they recently attended_

> "So Zach, did you just completely forget? That Tuesday was so prime that I triple booked myself. Wow. But you did forget. And then each booking. No, no, no... I forgot twice."
> — **Ron Hallett and Zach**, ~0:06:00
> _Clarifying that Zach forgot twice about the agreed-upon recording session_

> "The Pro felt better because it seemed like it was just... It seemed like it had better balance... Yeah, because I would think if it goes down, you just hit probably a stand-up and it dies, right?"
> — **Zach**, ~1:17:00
> _First-hand gameplay comparison between Star Wars Pro and Premium versions, noting ramp mechanic differences_

> "The play field art is pretty shitty. I was looking at it like, oh, right. I thought it looked like a Sega. It looked like, honestly, like a, you know, they went back to the Corel draw from 2000."
> — **Zach**, ~1:18:00
> _Critical assessment of Star Wars playfield artwork quality using dated software as comparison_

> "Congratulations, Casey. Now, yeah, I'm pretty sure he was the last one there at American Pinball... And, well, now he's gone."
> — **Ron Hallett**, ~0:51:00
> _Confirming Casey Butler was the last remaining programmer at American Pinball before departing to Spooky_

> "I don't think that's ever going to be made. What? I said that last time. So I'll keep saying it to make you feel good."
> — **Bruce Nightingale**, ~0:52:00
> _Bruce expressing pessimism about American Pinball/Cuphead ever shipping, noting contract breach risk_

### Entities

| Name | Type | Context |
|------|------|---------|
| Ron Hallett | person | Co-host of Slam Tilt Podcast; organizer of Stomp tournament and Fall Brawl; deals with scheduling coordination frustrations |
| Bruce Nightingale | person | Co-host of Slam Tilt Podcast; attended Stomp event; provides game ownership comparisons; skeptical about American Pinball Cuphead |
| Zach | person | Third host; forgot recording session twice; attended York Pinball Show; played Star Wars pinball Pro and Premium; purchased Flipper Clown and Paul Bunyan |
| Stomp Tournament | event | Pinball tournament won by Joe with 40 participants; had one chime issue on Sars and Johnny glove malfunction; celebrated at podcast location |
| UK Open | event | International pinball tournament with format changes; Nick Stein won Classics category; European winners dominated main finals |
| Star Wars Pinball | game | Stern game available in Pro and Premium versions at York show; Zach played both; Pro praised for better balance and ramp mechanics; playfield artwork criticized as poor quality |
| Dutch Pinball Alice | game | 30 units available with end-of-year deadline for deposits; production status uncertain with only 470 delivered from expected 500 in nine months |
| Portal P3 | game | P3 game revealed March at Texas Pinball Festival; production started September after seven months; criticized for limited addressable market |
| American Pinball Cuphead | game | Licensee game with alleged contract breach risk if not produced; Bruce predicts it will never be made; Casey Butler was last programmer before joining Spooky |
| Casey Butler | person | Hired by Spooky Pinball as full-time in-house programmer; was last remaining coder at American Pinball before departure |
| Spooky Pinball | company | Hired Casey Butler away from American Pinball; announced hiring via Facebook post |
| American Pinball | company | Lost Casey Butler (last programmer) to Spooky; appears to have no programming staff remaining; potential contract breach on Cuphead |
| Heritage Auction | company | Partnered with Planetary Pinball to auction 139 items of classic Williams artwork and proto materials; auction runs through January 2026 |
| York Pinball Show | event | Recent show where Zach purchased Flipper Clown and Paul Bunyan; Zach played Star Wars Pro and Premium versions; Bruce purchased Super Straight |
| Fall Brawl | event | Annual tournament cancelled for 2024 due to scheduling conflicts; rescheduled to September 20 next year |
| Nick Stein | person | American competitive player; won UK Open Classics category while dominating every game played; also competed in main finals |
| Joe | person | Stomp tournament winner for second time; first two-belt winner across both location versions |
| Lucy Vince | person | Women's winner at UK Open pinball tournament |
| Alexandre Bouet | person | European player who won main finals at UK Open, defeating American competition |
| Scooby-Doo | game | Game previously owned by hosts; sold at beginning of Stomp event; purchase proceeds held by Ron with ongoing jokes about Scooby money |

### Topics

- **Primary:** Podcast Production & Scheduling, Tournament Results (Stomp, UK Open, Fall Brawl), Star Wars Pinball Review, Game Production Status (Dutch Alice, Portal P3, American Cuphead)
- **Secondary:** Personnel Moves (Casey Butler to Spooky), Pinball Collecting & Acquisitions, Williams Pinball History & Memorabilia Auctions
- **Mentioned:** Podcast Video Content Consideration

### Sentiment

**Mixed** (0.45) — Episode contains humor and camaraderie among hosts regarding scheduling failures and tournament success, but also includes criticism of Star Wars playfield quality and pessimism about American Pinball's future viability. Community sentiment toward production status updates is cautiously skeptical.

### Signals

- **[business_signal]** American Pinball appears to have lost all programming staff; Cuphead game at risk of non-completion with potential contract breach (confidence: high) — Casey Butler was 'last one there at American Pinball...doing code' before joining Spooky; Bruce explicitly predicts Cuphead 'will never be made'
- **[competitive_signal]** Nick Stein dominated UK Open Classics category winning every single game; American representation weak in main finals (confidence: high) — Hosts note 'only one American' in main finals; Nick Stein 'won every single game' in Classics competition
- **[design_philosophy]** Star Wars Pinball playfield artwork quality criticized as poor, compared to dated 2000-era Corel Draw graphics (confidence: high) — Zach: 'The play field art is pretty shitty...looked like they went back to the Corel draw from 2000'
- **[event_signal]** Fall Brawl tournament cancelled for 2024; restructured schedule with Stomp moving to April and Fall Brawl to September 20, 2025 (confidence: high) — Hosts announce no Fall Brawl this year due to too many shows around it; detailed new schedule provided
- **[licensing_signal]** American Pinball Cuphead under contract with potential breach implications if game not completed (confidence: medium) — Hosts discuss possibility of lawsuit against American Pinball/Ametron parent company for contract breach on game production
- **[market_signal]** Portal P3 game six months into production after seven-month wait from March reveal; slow production cycle limiting market buzz (confidence: high) — Revealed March at Texas Pinball Festival, production started September; hosts note 'buzz dies down by that point' and limited addressable market for P3 platform
- **[personnel_signal]** Casey Butler moved from American Pinball (as last remaining programmer) to Spooky Pinball as full-time in-house programmer (confidence: high) — Direct citation of Spooky Facebook post welcoming Casey Butler; hosts confirm he was last programmer at American Pinball
- **[product_strategy]** Dutch Pinball Alice production severely behind schedule; 470 units delivered from promised 500-unit run with end-of-year deadline (confidence: high) — Originally 500 promised, now only 30 claimed; Bruce predicted failure to meet deadline; deposit refund policy in place
- **[product_strategy]** Star Wars Pro vs Premium gameplay differences: Pro has static ramp while Premium/LE has movable ramp; Pro perceived as better balanced (confidence: high) — Zach played both versions; notes center ramp is 'up and down' on Premium/LE but 'static on the Pro'; Pro 'felt better because...better balance'
- **[product_concern]** Star Wars Premium/LE versions experiencing significant rejects on Death Star bracket and clear swivel ramp (confidence: high) — Zach: 'There's a lot of rejects off that Death Star...a lot of rejects on both' including the swirl ramp on right-hand side

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## Transcript

 Boy, this guy's a creepy perv. This reminds me of that pervy guy at the model train store that always takes you camping. Shut up, Butt-head. He's not pervy. And you may not notice my hands even getting lower. Shut up, Butt-head. He's just a little handsy. You know, he just likes to sniff hair and rub shoulders and stuff like that. Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Cell Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with the other host, Bruce Nightingale. Well, golly, how y'all doing, folks? This is Bruce from I Pick Em Up, the pinball machines at the York Pinball Show for these two knuckleheads. Yee-haw! What do you mean, two knuckleheads? Do we have Zach on? Yes, we do. The energy vampire himself is here. How did you know it was me just in the world of Knucklehead? It doesn't make sense. Yes, Knucklehead is perfect for you, you fucker. And this is episode... The whole truck. Episode 257. So many episodes. Yeah, so much time, so little to do. Okay, I got to beef with you guys. Oh! Didn't somebody pick up your game? Yep, I'm still doing it. I'm still doing it. So he's threatening to not give me my game. because I'm bringing this up, folks, so you're hearing it. He'll just scratch it very slightly. No, no, I'll just put it in water. And he'll lick the lockdown bar. No, no, I'll just put it in water. I'll just put it in water, and it'll just all absorb into that. He'll lick the bottom, and it'll lick all the way up. Yeah, he'll lick the lockdown bar. Well, this is October 13th that we're recording this. Yes, it is. And we were supposed to record October 7th. Yes. What happened, guys? Let me tell you what happened. I went to bed. The previous week, at the end of the week, they were like, we've got to record an episode, and we're going to record all three of us. And it was Zach who actually said, Tuesday is best for me. So he said, okay. And then Bruce put the little thumbs up. Then I said, 7 p.m. And like, no, that's a little late. And then Zach was like, we've got to be done by 9. Like, fine, fine. Okay. So there we go. I thought this was all set. Right? I rush home Tuesday from my appointment I send out the download links and nothing I literally look and I'm like man no one's actually read my message yet then all of a sudden I get a message from Zach and he sends me a picture of Mark from the co-op and another guy I didn't recognize working on a Black Knight 2000 and I'm thinking like is he still at the co-op and then Zach proceeds to tell me, oh, no, we're actually at this guy's house getting his games ready for league night. I'm like an hour away from my house. Dedication. Dedication. Look at that. He's dedicating to the cause. So, Zach, did you just completely forget? That Tuesday was so prime that I triple booked myself. Wow. But you did forget. And then each booking. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Whoa, whoa, whoa. It sounds to me like he didn't forget. He just didn't give a shit. Did you forget or did you just not give a shit? No, I forgot twice. Oh, he forgot twice. So that means Zach is at fault. Well, he's definitely at fault because we were recording on the day he said was best for him. And he wasn't even there. But better yet, this whole time I'm going back and forth with Zach. And we're looking at a really nice Road Kings or whatever. And then I'm thinking, like, you know, Bruce still hasn't. Yeah, like I texted him, like, directly, and I haven't heard anything, and that can only mean one thing. He's asleep. Yes, at 7 o'clock. I had a rough day. Bruce is asleep. I had a rough day. I was in bed by 6. What's better yet is as I'm sitting there, it's like, okay, so probably like 4.30 tomorrow morning, you know, when he gets up, he will, like, text me to let me know, oh, I was asleep. I'm sorry. Yeah. And that's what he did. And what did I do? That's what you did. Exactly that. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. So, folks, this is the shit I go through to try to bring you this podcast. I don't see a problem with it, Zach. Do you? I am the only dude there, like, ready to go. And everyone else blows it off. Zach, I feel like, yeah, it's nothing big. Yeah, Zach was willing to, like, oh, I can, you know, connect on my drive home. Like, oh, that would have sounded tremendous. If Bruce was there, I would have been like, I can just, like, leave right now and get in the car. Yeah, that would be great. I can record live from the pinball repair. Oh, that would have been better. Live on location with Zach Fry. Here's my situation. Here's what I can do, and then meanwhile, Bruce will sleep. Yeah, perfect. You could have just done the show without me like you've done in the past. I did think about it. See? So what I did is this morning I just made sure I sent a reminder. Like, hey, reminder that we're recording today. That was really great thinking, Ron. Good job. Yeah. Guess what? I literally forgot again. You forgot again. I did. I had to set my alarm for 5.50. And then I told my wife, like, I'm not going anywhere tonight. I'm coming home. I'm not going to do what I have to do. I'm just going to come home, have dinner, and then do what I have to do. I'm not going to do what I have to do. God forbid. No, no, no. No, I had other stuff I have to do also this whole past month. Uh-huh. So I'm like, I'll just do this. And Kathy's like, why are you coming home? I'm like, I have the podcast I told you about. I forgot last week. She's like, oh, fuck, I forgot. I'm like, yep, so did I. Welcome to the club. Okay, so I'll have to put that in my notes now. Anytime we're to record, make sure to send a reminder message that morning. Or like a calendar invite. You know, then you could remind us. Yeah, a calendar. A calendar invite. Yes, you should Facebook us with an event. You guys could just add it to your own calendars. That's pretty hard. I'm not IT. I'm not IT. I'm not IT. So I don't know how to use my phone. Well, it is true that your phone is always on the verge of running out of battery power all the time. Hold on. What is that right now? Hold on. We should have that as a game. What do we think, Bruce? I say 17%. Okay. What are you thinking, Zach? I'm betting 24. 33. Oh, damn it. You're too low. I don't enjoy it. 33%. That's pretty high, Bruce. What's going on? I got a new battery. I still smoke it. I still smoke it. And he had to get home early so he couldn't stay out and waste it. Well, don't forget. You guys make it sound like I've had my phone off the charger since 4.30 this morning. So it's now literally 17 hours for me on my phone. I haven't touched the charger, and it's at 33%. What are your phones at for being up since, like, what, 7 or 8, maybe? Okay, mine is, why does it show a percentage? What the hell? You just scroll down. I've been up for nine hours, and I've used 20%. Okay, so you're 80. 79%. Okay, so see? That looks pretty familiar. Hmm. Hmm. Okay, are we ready to get going now that I've vented? I didn't feel any venting. I'm just going to go lick a pinball machine now. Oh. And you're going to guess where it is. Oh, lick a pinball. Have you licked your pinball machine today? Have you licked your pinball today? Oh, God. Well, we had Stomp. Stomp. We did. Can you dig it? We did. That was a while ago. Yeah, that seems like forever ago. But, yeah, we had Stomp. Can you dig it? Can you dig it? It's a post-Stomp podcast, right? Yes. Post-Stomp-popular. So, Zach, what did you think of the conditions of the games while you were there? As usual, everyone seemed to love the games except Zach and Robert. I call him the bitch twins. That's all they did was just bitch about everything. Oh, it was fucking classic. Rob's coming up to me going, Bruce, your Star plays way better. Oh, Bruce, your nine ball plays better. Your nine ball plays better. But your Stargazer doesn't play as good as Ron's. Oh, wow. I got one. You got one. I got that's not too bad your cheetah is the floatiest one ever your cheetah doesn't play that great oh my cheetah doesn't play great no he says mine now now his axe plays better oh okay I think that I said that yours plays better to be fair so I can't slow down on that one yeah he didn't you know what else what else do we have that's the same and we both agreed your dragon fist plays better yes and your iron maiden plays better and your iron maiden Iron Man. I don't know which one we have, though. Do you have an Iron Man? I have an Iron Man. You've got an Iron Man and a Goop one. He said that one because I own half of that. Okay, so your half plays the worst half. No, no, no. My play is the better half. It's Mark that's dragging me down as always. Oh, God. Well, speaking of halfsies, you guys did sell the Scooby-Doo? Yeah! Scooby-Dooby-Doo. Yeah, we had, Scooby was here. Where are you? Not Zach's house. Not at Zach's house anymore. That was beginning of stops. Scooby-Doo actually showed up and sat in the garage for the whole. And we didn't bother setting it up. We did not set it up because that, no, no. We'll set up Dipsy Doodle or Flash Gordon even, but not Scooby. We did not, no, no. And that has been sold. So now I'm going to be getting my big gold cash. And you still have the money. I still have the money. You're threatening your game. Yes. So be careful where you let my game. Hey, Ron, Ron, Ron, keep the money that Zach owes me. I'll keep your game. There you go. Nice and easy. Yeah, it works great. I think it works perfect. You'd be happy to know the money is in my fire safe. So if my house were to burn down, you'd be like, well, still got my money. Still got my money. All the games burned down. Hey, still got money. Fuck. That would suck. and when I'd stomp I'd give Ron a nice gift and he doesn't even talk about it you see how this is Zach I came out there and gave Ron a really nice gift and him and Scott were critical of it remind me what was the gift you hear this folks Bruce comes out it's a nice gift was it the dragon fist drop target yes and Scott and him Oh, they're not tombstones. Our Scott, yes. No, no, they are tombstones. They are tombstones. They are tombstones. The original were. Yes. How are they dragon fist drop targets if they're not the right shape? They're red. They're red. They are red. They're red. Which you need for a dragon fist. I was nice. Here you go. Three banks. Never actually paid attention. Three banks. Okay, so you got him really hard to find red drop targets, but even harder to find because they're not the right kind. Yes. Got it. Yep. Wow, that's so nice of you, Bruce. See? Great. See? Thank you. What do we think of Stomp? Stomp was awesome. 40 people played. We only had two. Well, one didn't really go down. What happened with Stomp? One of the chimes on Sars stopped working. So when you hit the spinner, you got the points, but you didn't get any sound, which was just hollow and lifeless. But what was it? I'm going to save that for the repair section. And we're going to see if you guys can guess. You each get to ask one question. Now, usually when we do this, Zach just gets it without even asking any questions and just gets it immediately, but we'll see. We'll see if he can get this one. The only other one was this stupid Johnny glove, which I cannot get it to malfunction now. Which very conveniently malfunctioned right when I wanted to choose it. Malfunction. Yeah. Malfunction. Malfunction. What game is that? Oh, really? You guys have it. I'm blanking on it for some reason. Valley? Oh, Embryon. Yes. Malfunction. Malfunction. Malfunction. I remember because I always thought that was cool. That was a cool title. I think Malfunction. Malfunction. You haven't said anything about the game except that that was in the rules. Pretty cool. Not a fan, I see. Don't forget that's another Marks game. That's another Mark game. You owned one too. And I got rid of it, if you noticed, too. You lived in the house. I had four to five white bodies. So congratulations to our stop winner, Joe. Joe, our returning champion. Yes, he is. He now has two belts. Two belts. He has two belts. Yes, he's the first two-belt winner. He's won at each location. Very nice. Yes. That's very nice. Congratulations, and thanks to everyone who came out. Big points. Big points. Big money. Big prizes. I love it. I love it. Yes. We also gave Joe a bunch of VCRs. Yes. Maybe not. I still get a kick out of that. I love that. Thanks. But there will be no fall brawl this year. Oh. They're going to announce it right now, right, Zach? I mean, I hoped you'd answer that a long time ago, but sure. There will no be no Fall Brawl. Was there one last year? Yes. Oh. There wasn't. This year, there's too many shows around it, so we have to get the word out more, faster, earlier, better, stronger, longer. And everyone will know that they shouldn't even dare to schedule another show in the entire deal. Exactly. So it's going to be, we're moving Stomp and Stomp and Fall Brawl all around. Next year, Stomp will be in April. Stomp West will be in April. Fall Brawl will be the September 20th weekend. Ah, you're stealing my date. Got it. Yes. And you're going to October, late October. Yes. So it's cooler in your basement. Uh-huh. That was not an issue. It was a little bit. No, it wasn't. It wasn't an issue. I heard no complaints. Not just from me. It never got above like 72. So I don't know how you could complain. Is that too hot? It couldn't keep up the humidity. The humidity got a little damp. My shorts are a little damp, you know. Oh, Jesus Christ. But other than that, it was great, Ron. Thanks, Ron. Makes me so want to do this year after year, all this itching. It's just the pain of it all. Welcome to the club. Uh-huh. All right. Hey, I have to laugh at my life now. Come on. My life sucks right now. Oh. Oh. Oh, got a lot of shut. Shut? Shut. One thing I can check that off. Maybe I can go and order this. UK Open also happened. Fire away. I figured I'd bring that up since I was there last year. I didn't make it this year. Why didn't you make it? Come on. It should be every year you should make it. Why don't you make it? Because it's in frigging Robert Englunds, bro. Well, you're making fun of us not having a show. What does that have to do with this? What is you missing a date you agreed upon to literally just record a podcast? How is that comparable? I'm talking about the fall brawl. The fall brawl. Okay. Yeah. You just said, why are we having a fall brawl? Idiot. That's going to be okay open. Exactly. You should do everything in order like you said it's supposed to be. You screwed up fall brawl, Ron. Okay. You didn't go to the UK Open, so it screwed up everything else. It was weird, though. Like, I, like, heard that it was happening, like, at that moment. I was like, I didn't even know it was coming. Or I feel like usually it's a really notable thing to hear about, and then this time I didn't hear anything. And apparently they changed the format, too. I didn't even hear about that. Like, it's been very quiet about the UK Open. Well, congratulations to, oh, God. Alexandre Bouet I'm probably butchering this Oh he's fucking butchering I love it It's a French name I'm sorry Ron you didn't go and you let a European win Is that what I'm hearing That's all I'm hearing now There was actually only one Looks like in the main finals there was only one American What America We had Ryder Cup like success Over there I was like, oh, man. At least you're not the governor. The governor of New York with that Ryder Cup crap. Every time they announced her, and the governor of New York, Kathy Hochul, and everyone's going, boo. It was awesome. I was like, oh, wow. She is terrible. Oh, okay. Okay. Congratulations to Lucy Vince. See, that one I can pronounce. Who won the... You know it's not Luce. Or Vince Day. It could be Vince Day. Vince Day. But she won the women's and let's see. Oh, they had a classic. So let's see who won that. And then we'll be done with that. Classics were won by Nick Stein, an American. America! America! Yeah! All right. Fuck yeah! Wow. He won every single game. Dominating. Dominating. And he was also in the main finals, so he had a good tournament. Yeah. Whopper City, baby. So that's the UK Open. Have a note here. Heritage Auction. Oh, God. Now that I hear about this, I want to see it. Well, there's going to be an auction. It looks like Planetary Pinball is partnered with an auction house, and they're going to be selling off a bunch of old Williams shit. Let's see if I can find it. Here we go. And some of it, like, proto artwork for, like, Captain Fantastic, 8-Ball, I'm looking at Rolling Stones, Ooh, Future Spa. So lots of shit that will go for way more than I'm willing to pay. Holy shnikes. See any of it? I don't really like the site because I couldn't figure out how to actually just show everything. Yeah, I'm seeing some of it right now. I had to do a search and then search for blank, and then it showed me everything. The search is blank. That's like the only way I could get it to work, which is stupid. Yeah, you can get the lot of four midway black belt pinball machine original black. Hell, yeah. Yeah, 139 available items. But you can get, like, the Sega Space Jam pinball original artwork. Ooh, Williams Rock and Roll pinball machine. Mm-hmm. That's kind of cool. Yeah. The whole machine? No, just the artwork. The transparent artwork for Williams Rock and Roll. Transparency, bro. You can put on an overhead projector, which they probably didn't have in Zack's day. They were probably long gone. No, we used those for, like, the first five years. Really? You must have had a school district need more money or something. Oh, my God. I want this. And then we got a smart board. Ooh. I want this so bad. And we pointed the projector at it. Instead of the game show, it was called originally the Greed Show. Oh. His same artwork, really funny. You know, it says Trips, Connors, TV. Oh, yeah, Greed. Greed Show. I like that. Wow. That's fucking awesome. I think Williamson did that in the family later. Yeah. Well, here's one for Steph. Spectrum. Lots of Spectrum artwork. Oh, Kick! They got Kick Women. Were they originally going to call it Bigfoot? Yeah. Wow! Kick is a video game, by the way, folks. Yes, it is. Trackball game. You're a clown on a unicycle. I love that game. Yeah, a lot of cool stuff. I don't know how many... Ooh, Frontier. You got the Frontier artwork in the background. Son of Fireball. Oh, so would you buy this, Bruce? What? If you could afford any of it. If I could afford any of this? Maybe. Dude, see, there we go. We would buy that. Wow. Yeah. Yep, they got the artwork for Heavy Metal Meltdown. Heavy Metal Meltdown. So how long is it going to go? It goes to like the end of the year. January of 2026. Jesus. Okay. They're really trying to. Yeah. Get the prices up there, yeah? Yeah. Nice. there's some of the shit I would like but I know it's going to be so overpriced. My only chance would be some weird thing that everybody hates that I like. Hot dog and original artwork? Nah, people like that. Something more like a fireball plastic or something. Future Spa original artwork. Mm-hmm. That's pretty cool. Remember, no more than two reps. Yes. Still love that. Yes. Speak easy, vector, molds. Would you buy any of this shit, Zach? Or you don't care? I mean, like you said, it'd have to be something that only I in the world would spend any money on. Yeah, like poker? How did they know I was going to make this game before I made it? Amazing. It's got the full white wood drawing and everything in there. Amazing. I have to buy it to prevent it from going out in the world. People can see I stole it all. Kronos. Kronos? Kronos. not even brand on it just says Kronos of course no one can see any of this they can see it on entertainment.ha.com and look up pinball you notice all the podcasts are now going to video yeah and they're doing that for a reason because they definitely get more hits that's why we do it right well that's not why we do it but We do it for the love of the game, man. Would Bruce, would he do it, a video version? Yeah, I would. Okay. I don't know. He's like, but don't you get what you get. Yeah, that's true, folks. I can't really edit as easy with that. I'm not going to be doing that. And, Bruce, no nudity. I can show a little nipple. No. Just have a pasty on. So what do you think, listeners? Would you give a shit? Would you want video? Do you want video of me and Ron and sometimes Zach? Because the problem is... The existing audience already listens to that video. Yeah. I'd have to figure out a different way to record it because I can't use what I'm using now because what I'm using now is audio only. So, I don't know. We'll see. Give us your comments. Oh, which you can send to slamtillpodcast at gmail.com. That's slamtillpodcast at gmail.com. Zach? Your line? Centralpodcast at gmail.com. Okay. There you go. Wow. Did you know that Alice in Wonderland has made it to the U.S.? Yay. All 30 of them. Yes, they got 30 of them. How many did they bake again? I thought it was 300. I thought it was more than that. Now, remember, they all have to be, like, you have to get these by the end of the year, or you get your deposit back. Yay. If you want it back. If you want your... Oh, otherwise you could just wait? Yeah. So they should just give it to you and then still send you the game. I agree. Just minus deposit. I agree. So, Bruce, I assume you're sticking with your prediction that they will not be able to do this? You got it. Uh-huh. Okay. I hear a cat. Yeah, Zach is fostering cats. Meow, meow, meow, meow. Meow. Meow. Yeah, I'm basically like slowly walking through the house trying to stay away from it. Oh, it. I love how he called it it. Wow, that's great. Yeah, I guess that's it. What else do I got here? It didn't tell me how many. I can't fucking find the count. God damn it. Don't you hate when that happens? Yeah. Meow, meow, meow, meow. Meow. That's what Dutch Pinball says. Oh, yeah. What do they say? We're so prepared here. Oh, 500. It was 500. Nine months. Okay. So now it's 470 in two months. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I don't think it's looking good. I don't see it happening. I don't see it happening. What is happening is Portal. Portal from P3. They fixed production, right? No, they started production. Yeah, we're on the next game. They fixed them all. They started production. What? Didn't that come out like six or seven months ago? It was revealed in March because of that Texas Spinball festival. So seven months ago. And we haven't seen it. No, and it started in September. They started making it. So it's six months. So six months. If you've seen it and you don't get it until seven months at least, it's seven months. Six to seven months. That's taking too long. Oh, fuck yeah. I mean, what do they think they're going to share? I think because the buzz dies down by that point. That's the problem. It's the same thing with what Jersey Jack used to do. Here is the new game at Expo, and maybe by summer it actually finally gets built. That was always their issue. But it's coming. It's being built. So Portal. And it's a PC, so it can never actually generate much buzz anyway because there's nothing that exists. Wow. Wow. Wow. That might be meaner than you, Bruce. Maybe say that in a mean way. I'm just like, how many P3s are out there for you to even like, to the point where people are going to be playing the game? You know, where are you going to go play? That's true. Okay, what else do I have here? Oh, Spooky hires American Pinball Program. The last one standing is now no longer there. So, yeah, so, Spooky had a Facebook post. So you are proud to announce our newest full-time in-house programmer, Casey Casey Butler. Welcome to the cult. So congratulations. I'm sorry, we have American Pinball. Congratulations, Casey. Now, yeah, I'm pretty sure he was the last one there at American Pinball. They fired everyone else, and he was like the last one there still doing code. And, well, now he's gone. So do they have anybody? Or anything? Bueller, they have a game. One copy. Oh, Cuphead. I think Bruce is going to be right. I don't think that's ever going to be made. What? I said that last time. So I'll keep saying it to make you feel good. Woo-hoo. But, yeah, I don't. I mean, some of the things we've heard, it's not getting made. Dude. And they might end up getting sued by the company that actually does Cuphead. Because supposedly they have a contract that says they're supposed to be making these games. And they're going to be breaching contracts if they can't make them. But who do you sue? Do you sue American Pinball? Do you sue Ametron, the parent company? Would that be like they'd make ten of them and then they'd just slowly disseminate it out? Just like, we made them. We sold them. There just wasn't any demand for them. Yeah, something like that. I don't know, man. I don't know. It's just crazy. I got York here. Originally, it said York Preview. But since we couldn't get recorded when we were supposed to. No, we can talk about it beforehand. And we can talk about it afterwards. No, we can talk about it now because it happened. Both you guys were at York, the York show. Yeah, and I was just a fucking delivery guy. And we didn't see each other. That's true. You didn't see each other. Even though you were at the same show at the same time. No, no, we weren't at the same time. I was there Friday, and I saw Scott. And I said, hey, Scott, how you doing? Our Scott, yes. I was there Friday, and I saw JT, and I left Friday four hours later. Yes, I left. I got there at 10. But, yeah, for me, in, out, done. And then I arrived there Saturday morning 9 a sold Dipsy Doodle waiting for the round of applause from Ron house Yeah baby Piece of shit. Bought another game and then left around 11.30. You got a flipper clown! Yeah, he is. You already got a flipper clown! He's got a flipper clown and I got a Paul Bunyan and a... What else did I get? Zach? I got a straight deal. Super straight. Super straight. Super straight. You guys pick up first. Nice job. I thought it was really good. I'm really envious. I wanted that Paul Bunyan. I've always wanted a third super straight, too, you know? Yeah, exactly. Very funny. For those at home, the Paul Bunyan would be Zach's, and the super straight's mine. I don't. Because that's in his nine-tenths of the law. Nine-tenths of the law, yes. And the other tenth is the money he already paid the individual seller. Exactly. And then there's that Scooby money I have that's half yours. No, it doesn't matter to me. I told you to keep that on your mind. Oh, it's not half his? No. Like a quarter his? No, 10%. Oh, okay. No, it's all Zach. So guess what? Thanks, Zach. You know how much Zach's actually licking out, Ron? Only 10%. Oh. But it's just like, Zach's like, you know, I'll pick a flipper clown. I'm like, don't you already have a flipper clown? Yeah, but this one's nicer. Which means he really likes flipper clown. I do like flipper clown. Yes. It's the best of the Flipper series. Which are? Flipper. Flipper Clown. Flipper Fair. Flipper Parade. Okay. Flipper Cowboy. I'm just testing it, folks, to see if he knows, because I don't know. He could make it up. They're not good. Flipper Job, you could say. and I've... Oh, sure. Yeah, that was a game. Also, Flipper Clown is the only one that didn't get remade later as another theme. Ah. You know, like, Flipper Fair got remade as Subway Slash Cross Town and Flipper Cowboy was also Buckaroo, I think. But the clown was so awesome he couldn't be remade. I guess. Mm-hmm. All right. It's an awesome clown! So, any other deals there at York? No. No? Did you play in the tournament at all? Nope. Didn't play in the tournament. I did play Star Wars. Oh, wait a minute. You played the new Star Wars? I played both versions, Pro and Premium. Whoa. I played neither, so can I borrow one? Wait a minute. You played neither? You were there. Yeah, I was busy buying some games. And the line was probably long, right? No. Like five people. Oh, God. It was nothing. Those lines were barely for there. When I went on it, it was twos and threes. Wow. Okay. So second game, I GC'd. Got almost $700 million. Of course. Yes. Of course. Crushed it. Pro. I think the Pro is a little more fun. But there's a lot of rejects off that Death Star. Really? And the clear ramp on the swivel, the swirl ramp on the right-hand side. A lot of... Aren't those on both? Yes. But there's a lot... I'm saying a lot of rejects on both. It was... On the... Oh, I thought you said the Pro was better. Wait a minute. On the Whirlpool ramp? Because of the difference. The Pro felt better because it seemed like it was just... It seemed like it had better balance. I don't know, but it just felt like the staff were... Well, the center ramp, they did the Rush thing. Yes, up and down. On the Premium, the LE goes up and down, but it's just static on the Pro. It's the same thing. So you think the flow is better with the ramp? Yeah, totally up. Yes. Yeah, because I would think if it goes down, you just hit probably a stand-up and it dies, right? Where does it actually go when it's down? I think it just hits a stand-up, just like Rush does. Well, that's not what Rush does. Yeah, it does. It's just the target you hit back there. You hit it enough times and the thing comes down. I don't think it's actually a target, though. No, I don't think so. It's just a wall, right? Whatever. Something that detects you did it. Oh, my God. The other thing you mean? It was kind of cool. I didn't mind it. I like to get more time on it. The play field is very, like, the play field art is pretty shitty. I was looking at it like, oh, right. I thought it looked like a Sega. It looked like, honestly, like a, you know, they went back to the Corel draw from 2000. Corel draw, wow. That's old school. They were copying and pasting a lot. Yeah, they were like, wow. The previous Star Wars were like, you know, what's the worst part of this art? Let's keep that part. Yeah. And let's make the actual drawings worse. The blessing Yoda eyes just make me think of Sega. No, no, no. The premium and the LE with the glowing fucking Jabba the Hutt is really fucking weird also. And it goes intensity, like brightens and dims and brightens. It's like, why is fucking Jabba the Hutt glowing? He's over by the whirlpool thing. He's on the right-hand side. And he's glowing. It actually glows. And they put a pinball there with him. That's not really a pinball, and it confuses people because they think the ball got stuck. Oh, God. Those sound like very sick things. Sega All it needs is the showcase backbox With the curve on it If they waited one more game They would have had a different backbox on it So you know Back to showcase Oh that would be fucking awesome Like a curved F80 screen Oh god no Curved the other way, curved inward It's like the new monitors they sell Yeah exactly Hey, look, you get now a 35-inch size screen monitor, but it really is like 23 inches wide. It curves. What if that was curved vertically, like they put the monitor at side? That would be really bad. That would be really bad. But I think the curved one would be cool inside, like those cockpit monitors. They'd be kind of like, yeah, this is totally different. They'd be like, it doesn't fit with my other machine, so I can't buy it. Right? Everyone says, it's got to fit in a row the same way. It's got to all be the same way. Yeah. All right. But we got our premium. Oh. Zach has his premium. So wait a minute. You got your premium. Do you mean the Rochester Pinball Collective? Yes. And Zach, where is that located? 349 West Commercial Street. East Rochester, New York. And I read Bruce's mind because I was going to ask Zach also because I figured he wouldn't get it. Exactly. Sweet. It starts with a 2 and ends with a 5. We have like three numbers, Chris. I can't remember which. I know, but what's the main number? That's why I don't remember. Sweet. 29, 65. God damn. I know. I was like pulling. I don't want to direct people to like our storage room. Well, they can. There's a big sign next to it saying enter. With no fault brought, what's going to be the next incredible event at our PC? The next incredible event will be New York State Championship. at Rochester, New York. Oh, is that a big host? We are the host. We are the host. Oh. We are the world. Okay, is that okay to publish? Yep. Okay. We were told this at Stomp. Oh, well, yeah, but were you told that you could say it? Yep. Okay. It's news to me. Okay, it's news to Zach. Okay, well. We are the ones that make the brighter day, so let's start giving. Zach is saying there's going to be a launch party of some sort. Yes, there is for, said, Star Wars. When's that coming? I think we're going to have two launch parties, Bells and Chimes and regular. Ah. Yeah. In December, right? Like second week of December? Yeah, second week of December. Yeah. Sounds like I will not be at RPC for a while then. Oh, we might have another surprise coming later. Oh. Don't worry. Because after December 17th, I will not be anywhere for at least a month and a half. because I will not be able to drive. So I will not be at RPC for the New York thingy. Oh, hold on. Why are you not going to be able to drive? Because I will have a walking boot on. Okay. Okay. Why? Because I'm getting foot surgery. Oh, why do you need foot surgery? Because my feet are fucked up and have been my entire adult life. So you chose around a tournament to do this? What the fuck is wrong with you? No, actually, I chose after all the tournaments and trying to get healed up before February when the pinball at the beach thing that I got into happens. That's the goal. That's actually a pretty good timing. Yeah, I literally try to time it around, like, okay, how many weeks to recover? Okay, okay, all right. The problem is then I'm hoping the right one goes okay. Then I got to get the left one done, which I don't know how I'm going to time that to not miss something. What was the movie? What's the movie? Hold on. I'm trying to go ahead. I'm going to be in a walking boot at a show somewhere. Yikes. Put it that way. That's going to be fun. Can you get like a scooter? Yeah, I was thinking, well, one of those things. You put your knee on and you wheel it along. Yeah. Yeah, that's going to be me. Whee. Isn't that great? And I was thinking the whole time, too. It's like, you know, now I know when Evil Dead's going to show up. I'm going to be screwed. Oh, my. What's the movie from where the guy is trapped in bed, what's her name, gets all crazy? Misery. Misery. Misery. That's what we just fixed you. Don't fix me. Smack. Yes. With a hammer. With a hammer. So definitely, you're going to miss out on Scar. Oh, you're going to have the launch party out at the FFF or whatever the fuck it is. Is there? I think there is. He just posted it today, I thought. All right. Yeah. But, yeah. So I won't be at old RPC for a while. Hey, Zach, we got a free game now. It's going to be awesome. Excellent. See, I was hoping to get out there so I could pick that up, but it sounds like that may not happen. You could just drive out. You can just drive out, visit us, and say hi. But no, we can't do that. That's way too much. You could come to one of our strikes tournaments instead. Wow. Come on a Friday and play in a small tournament. Not only the big ones. Not the peer pressure that you can't handle. You know, we know about this. You mean the big ones that I don't even play in and literally just stream, which always goes so well anyway? Yeah. Yeah. No, I meant, like, going to conventions, but yeah, sure. And to be precise, it's December 13th, so you can make it just in time before your legs fall off. Oh, literally, that could be my last time I ever walk. Yeah. And it'll be there at RPC. Oh, my goodness. We are the world. We are the world. We are the children. Yeah, I could do that. So what is that? The Star Wars... The Star Wars... Whatever. Launch Party? Launch Party. Star Wars Launch Party. We're thinking about doing like every single Star Wars we can. So we'll also put other Star Wars in it. Also Stargazer and S.T.A.R.S. and stuff. Just everything the word S.T.A.R. we can get. We'll just put them all in the tournament. No, no. I have a better idea, Zach. Here's the idea. We have seven games with S.T.A.R. in them. and then each one of the owners picks a game and we relabel it star star one star two star three star four star five and then we have 12 games for the tournament why do we need 12 sounds good oh i think 11 sounds better you don't get to pick one then sorry okay on to the next thing um I saw this there's going to be one of the homebrews at Expo it's going to be Big Trouble in Little China did you see this Bruce? yeah I hate the movie so it doesn't do anything for me what the hell's the matter with you? Art Blades by Randy Martinez Playfield Art by Brian Allen so you know it'll be probably creepy Sound and Original Music by Scott Danesi on a homebrew? on a homebrew and looks pretty cool. Okay, let's try. Zach, have you ever seen Big Trouble in Little China? Nope. Do you know who Kurt Russell is? Not from that movie. But do you know who Kurt Russell is? Yeah, vaguely. Where do you know him from? Can you tell me which of the games you own he's in? Isn't he in Stargate? Yes. Good boy. Somehow he's actually in the artwork, too. He's not one of the rants. He won, right? Yes, he is one of the few. No, Spader's also. But he's only, like, on a ramp. There's, like, one picture of him. Spader, the guy with the glasses. That's, like, it. He's Daniel. Oh, there's one at each ramp. I forgot. Yep. But, yeah, it's sad. I mean, they had a trailer. They have a whole flyer. I mean, it looks like an official game would look. Wait, so are you telling me that a Mustang V-Theme may not win Best Custom Game next year? No. Well, you're thinking of the Twippies. That always win. Yeah, exactly. But get on the game with enough marketing power behind it to maybe compete with the power of rethemed Mustangs. I don't know, because didn't that come out this year, the latest Mustang rethemed? Maybe they'll have another one ready for next year? Maybe. Oh, they'll have one ready. Okay. And it'll also become a little tighter. I love this movie. I don't see how Bruce hates this movie. I want to see the competing homebrews of the same. It was just a cheesy movie back in the early 80s. In the 80s, that wasn't that great. It wasn't that great. That movie's like hyphen list of movies that some people are like, oh, my God, a big trouble. They're trying to theme, and I don't even know this movie exists. I'd rather actually see Escape from New York. Nah. That would be better. No, it wouldn't. A little darker theme. Nah. At least the Goonies I've heard of. The Goonies is terrible, too. It is. Oh, wow. Wow. So I'm looking at it. It actually has the center post is the Medusa thing. I just noticed. Like from the actual kicker Medusa, you mean? Yeah. I mean, it looks like the same. What is it called on Medusa? Little. The shield. Shield of the gods. Shield of the gods. Yes. Yep. You know what we got at Rochester Pinball, Ron? What do you have at the Rochester Pinball Collective? We got a new play field for our D&D. Or Dungeons and Dragons? Yes. Wait a minute. What's wrong with the old? Oh, was it warped? It was way warped. Yeah, it was way warped. Yes. And they sent us a whole assembly. Oh. Swapped it in, swapped it out, and it still plays like shit. Oh, but that's just Dungeons and Dragons. Wow. Must be the rules. But it's got a shield, though, just like Medusa. Yeah. Okay, I also have a note here. Bruce, you be happy. The Labyrinth Manual has been released. Yay! We forgot to get on their case. Where's the manual? Barrels of Fun. Well, wait a sec. So how long has that been out for now? Two years. Okay, yeah, you're fucked up, guys. But today, before we are going to record, all of a sudden, this announcement from Barrels of Fun. They got a new game coming out, Bruce. Now, you've heard of this. I've never heard of it. Zach, have you ever heard of this? Until today, I had no idea it was coming. And when I saw it, I thought it was like a Zen pinball game or something for a while. I thought it was just an original theme. Like, oh, Perils of Fun is doing an original theme. I didn't know this was supposed to be licensed. But we're talking about Winchester Mystery House. Mm-hmm. It will be limited to 525 units and is the same price as Dune, $11,600. and one of the main marketing things they've done so far is it's designed by Carl D'Python Anghelo. That has been like the main push I've seen in the material for this game. So you know it's going to shoot good. The question is, is anyone going to buy this? Oh, the rule's good. Did he also do the rules? Yes, yes, yes. I was surprised to hear him doing the layout because I would have associated more of rule stuff from all the streams about, like, breaking game rules and things. No, from the interview I saw on Who's Flip N Out Pinball, he was designing his own game for another IP, like probably a more well-known IP, and somehow Barrels of Fun found out about this, and this was before Barrels of Fun was even revealed as a company. And they had discussions with Carl, and it's like, well, the theme you're currently doing your homebrew for we probably wouldn't be able to get or have trouble getting. Here's what we have. And one of the things they had was the Winchester Mystery House. And he was like, yeah, haunted house. Like, I want to do that. And this is actually a thing that you would have to license. Like, you have to get and have it. It's not just a place. It's a real place. It's a real place in San Jose, I believe. But it's a place that you have to license. It's not just like... Yeah, I guess so. It is actually a historical landmark and everything like that. I don't know if it's a landmark, but it's a theme. It's a theme, whatever. It's historical. It's an hysterical landmark? Yes. So there's like a company that's promoting it and doing some kind of... Yeah, they do originally. Yes. They've licensed the use of the story of this house from the company. Correct. Sells access to it. Correct. Yes. And basically, it's the Winchester... Well, the Winchester Gun People Family Fortune. bought this, you know, I guess the wife or something? The wife built all the rooms in the house. Built all the rooms, and she wanted to escape from spirits because all the other Winchesters died. So they did crazy shit in the house. Like, there's stairs that just end. Go nowhere. They just go nowhere. And doors that you open and you're going to drop down outside and stuff like that. Yeah. So I guess, and supposedly he's haunted. And that's the deal. So 525 units. Now the other Barrels of Fun games, Labyrinth was 1,100, which I don't believe they sold out for that. And Dune is 1,000, which I don't believe they sold out. So they've almost halved it for this game. More than halved it. More than halved it. Do you think it will sell out? No. Because the way I think about this, you have the small bubble of pinball. Most of the people who know Carl D'Python Anghelo would be in the even smaller tournament subsection of the bubble of pinball. People are asking for a non-licensed game. Well, no they're not, because we know non-licensed games do not sell. Everyone wants them, no one buys them. Yeah, everyone wants them and no one buys them. So when I saw this, I'm there like, they're doing a non-licensed theme. And I'm like, oh, wait a minute. This is the license, kind of. Kind of. And in the interview I watched, David David Van Es even said that this is, you know, what they would consider a C-tier license. And he also said, you know, we have plenty of, like, awesome IPs coming up. And it's like, oh, God, that sounds like the Jack when everything, like, you know, If you don't like this, we've got really big IPs coming up. He's known as the IP guy for them. He's like, no, no, this isn't actually what my usual output is. Trust me. Don't worry. But this game is about taking chances and et cetera, et cetera. And, I mean, I'm sure it'll probably play great. They're doing weird. Like the sound, I guess, in the game, they're going to use the Yamaha sound shit that was used in the Williams games in the 90s. Did you use the chip? Yeah, something like that. Yeah, to try to give it a distinctive sound. Like, okay, that's interesting. The distinctive sound of every pinball machine in the 80s. Well, the thing is, did you guys see the trailer? Nope. Very little. The collabs in the trailer just sounded weird to me. Like, almost muffled. I mean, oh, whenever you get a chance, just listen to it. But they just sounded weird. to me. Not like totally clear. I wonder if that has something to do with something they're going for with the sound. Mm-hmm. Related to the Yamaha or just like they're trying to do weird sound in other ways? Yeah, I don't know. Very good. It just sounded like a little muffled to me. I mean, I'm looking forward to playing it. It's not a full-time thing for Carl. He still has his day job. This was something he was doing at nights. And this is, he's been working on this, I guess, since, like I said, before Spooky, I almost said Spooky. Well, I kind of did. Before Barrels of Fun started. So, like, probably over two years now, he's been working on this. I like how Barrels of Fun hadn't even, like, launched, and they're already like, we need to secure a Halloween theme to be ready for Spooky season. That's true. That's true. They're ready for it. What can we get? Yeah. But, yeah. So what do you think, Zach? You at least saw the play field. I mean, it has four flippers. As a designer yourself. It might prefer a four-flipper arrangement. Oh, okay. It seems pretty open in the center, which I know you like open playfields. I actually thought the opposite. I thought, like, it was really closed off in the center. Oh, okay. I heard it has multiple diverters. Multiple diverter targets and things. Diverters are good. It's got the main two, I guess the main two toys are, like, it's got the spinning. I always say Gilligan's Island, the spinning thing, that whatever, you know, the position it's in makes it a different shot, which actually they just used on Harry Potter, too. And it has the – I just sent you something. And it has the, what, Pepper's Ghost, they call it. Basically, I call it the Pinball 2000 thing, where they got the hologram, except it's projected over the actual the mansion itself so they can do things with it. So you can like hit objects and stuff. Which sounded pretty cool. We talk more about this game than we did Star Wars. What does that tell you? Well, we talked about Star Wars last time. Star Wars was out last time, Bruce. I know it was a long time ago we recorded. Yeah, this is like strangely topical to our recording date. Yeah. What? Almost like they just, okay, what did you send Bruce and where did you send it to? To our group, Keep Bruce and Keep Reap. Oh, no. Okay, the other one. Okay, you sent me a gas pass boxer briefs. From Milwaukee for our batteries that we use at the coop. Ventilated for maximum performance. Okay, Bruce. It's also moisture wicking for worksite comfort. Okay. And HEPA order control mesh. But congratulations to Carl. Yes. Working on this for two years. I'll get to play this at, well, hopefully they bring enough of them there so the line's not 30 people long. And hopefully it plays more difficult so the games don't last forever. This will be at Expo, which I will be going to. Expo is coming. Don't forget, everyone. What do you do when you see Ron at Expo? You do nothing. You hug him. Oh, okay. You give them the big hug and you say, Rod, it's so long since I've been here. I've seen you. Okay. Anyone else in this call going to Expos or just me? Just you. Just you. Oh, no, Zach. My thing is next year. Remember, I told you. Next year. Well, yeah. Yeah, Celebrity Bruce next year. I'm bringing the... Dun, dun, dun. I'm bringing the freaking music. Dun, dun, dun. And the big robe. Dun, dun, dun, dun. Okay. So, yeah. So, this game will be there. What else is going to be at Expo? The homebrew section. All the usual stuff. But this is... Is this the only unveiling so far? I thought there was something else that was going to be there. I thought there was something else that was going to be there. Oh, Predator. I forgot. Predator will be there. Ron's going to play Predator and find out it's actually amazing and he needs to buy one. That would suck. That would suck so much. I'd hate to have another game I like. It'd be fucking awesome. Wow, this is incredible. It's just like Predator except without Arnold. It's weird if you see how they cut his head off and all the shots and stuff. It's just so, yeah. All right. I think that was the main topics. Do you want to do Dr. John's game now, or do you want to do ball bag or do you want to do repairs? What do you want to do? I've been waiting on since the early part of the show what you thought you fixed with stars and what you didn't fix with stars. Oh, so you want to do repairs. Okay. Okay, so we'll start with repairs. So I'll give you the background. We have a stars chime unit where the second chime doesn't work. So if we're going left to right, looking at the chime unit, so from smallest chime to largest chime, the second chime doesn't work. That should tell you one thing about what it isn't, the issue. It's not the ground. And I will tell you that the problem was on the chime unit itself. It had nothing to do with the board. It wasn't a driver board issue. So you can ask me one question each. Did the chime fall off? No. Was it a connector? No. So now you've got to guess what it is. What was the issue? Maybe the ground wire just popped off of the looping. And it was still attached to each other, so it just fed the ground all the way through. But it didn't give power to that chime. There's wire to wire to wire to wire. They're separate ground wires. Yeah, separate ground wires. The fact that the second chime tells you it's not a power wire fell off because then you'd have multiple chimes not working. Well, they have wire to wire to wire. If it fell off the coil but it was still soldered together, you still could do that. Well, true. That's true. I can't argue with that one, yeah. But that wasn't it. Okay. That was my guess. Okay. Your turn, Zach. if I'd only got to guess what it was after I asked my question I would have asked a better question did the plunger get stuck up no but is that on the right track so on these stern chime units right where do the plungers rest when at rest on the wood? No, they don't. Where do they rest? Think about it. Where does the knocker plunger rest when at rest? The ones that are in the backbox. On the metal. No, they don't rest on metal. You mean they rest on the little rubber bit that's on the metal? Yeah, the little rubber bit. What would happen if that rubber bit were to completely disintegrate and be gone? Then where would the plunger rest? Very slightly lower. Slightly lower. Low enough that the coil cannot suck it into it anymore. I hate when my coil thumps. Because they're using those stupid tiny coil chimes. Yeah. I hate when my coil thumps. Fuck. That's all it is, is the rubber, I guess, rubber plug, you would call it. I think that's what it's called. It had literally dried out and disintegrated. It was sitting at the bottom of the game, so the plunger was just resting on the metal. So it was too far down. So the coil was firing but the plunger was so far down it just couldn get sucked up into it So if you just stuck a wad of tape in there it could have been working again the whole tournament Or if Ron had just saw that and went over to his second chime unit he has that has those rubber plugs still in it. And the tool they aren't going to break in half once you fry them out. No, they didn't. That one must have got dried out or something because the one I took out of the other one was fine. Put it right in there. Good to go. I'm back. I'm back, baby. Okay. Yeah, that was a nice one. What else for repairs? Ron, anything else? What else broke down there? The hand you said you couldn't fix. The hand, I can't get it to not work. So I'll have to wait until it not works again. Well, good. Now we can have Zach here. We can talk about our PPB board. Okay. Go ahead. Talk about your... Well, I want to ask him where he left off because I fixed the one. I put the old board back. Okay, explain what the board is. What's the original issue for all our listeners? It's really... The PPB board is how you cook popcorn while making pinball. Yes. While you own a Data East. Yes. No. Originally, when you would hit any one of the kickouts for the upper left or side kickouts. What game? What game? Torpedo Alley. Torpedo Alley. Torpedo Alley. Okay. Would everybody lock in Torpedo Alley kicked? The ball save kickout would kick also. Kickback. Kickback would kick out. so you're like what the fuck okay so i got a new ppv board i'm like okay put it in now it won't work at all that's where i left off last and i had to go back i had to go home and do some i had to actually do a lot of things that night and zach called you and said i smoked a tip 336 like what i smoked the resistor on the Tip 36. And you smoked its tip too, you said? Uh, no. Well, maybe. I tried to ground the transistor of the Tip 102 to fire the kicker coil, and instead the resistor on the Tip 36 smoked. So I went to test it, and the resistor actually still tested fine, despite being on fire. And the tip also tested fine at first. And then, like, I tested again and it didn't test fine. I tested again, did test fine. I found out if you were touching the tip, like, pressing down at all, it would register. But if it was just, like, sitting, you know, in the air off the board, it wouldn't register. That's weird. It seemed like there was actually a cracked connection internally to the thing because when I desoldered it, the entire leg just, like, fell off. Hmm. So I put the new tip on the new board and the resistor, and I put another spare board I found in my dad's stuff into it, so now we have to just power it up and see if it works again or if it doesn't, right? Yeah, probably. Okay. Because that's where I was left at. Like, I don't want to turn this on if Zach didn't do anything else, you know, so. And leave the entire podcast audience in suspense. Yes. Yay. Great story. It is a great story. Because guess what? We got another fun one. I think we have a ground short on rotation eight. Cool. Because two fuses were blown on it, not just one, when I replaced the coil. And when I powered it back on, the displays went blink, blink, blink, and the soul noise were going blink, blink, blink, and then it blew the fuses. Not good. So we might have to wheel that thing in the back. Oh. That's going to suck. Or maybe I'll have to come in Friday. Yeah, I feel like we definitely should not bother to fit the game in the back. No, it's going to be fun. Because it doesn't fit through the doors. You're going to put it sideways, remember? Yeah, that's why I don't want to do it. I know. Well, we've got to work on it Friday. It's a game in history. Yeah. It makes Hercules look reasonable. I know. We'll have to work on it Friday, I guess. I'm going to come in Friday when you're working. I mean, I bet like 40% chance it's just like one of the wires that gets caught by the prop rods every time. I already taped up two of them already, too. Well, it's the third one. I don't know. Maybe. Yeah, so that's another thing. I replaced the connector on Stargazer. Zach narrowed it down to the lower left connector, which, what was it doing? It was just flaking out with... Zach? Flaking out with what? Stargazer. You said that you, what was the stargazer doing when you told me to replace the left? Oh, whenever you start the game, instead of kicking the ball out of the out-hold, it would fire the pop bumper repeatedly. That was just redone, and we'll see what happens. Yay. It didn't fuck up when I left. What else did I do? Put the coil in on rotation eight. and I'm going to start doing a rubber kit and I got a flipper kit for Torpedo Alley and I got flipper bats Data East flipper bats and I got Sega Sonic flipper bats for regular flipper bats except they say DE on them and have the Sonic hedgehog on them don't they just sell those on Pimple Life? no not the Sonic anymore not the whites I thought they reduced them Yeah. So I got it for the boys. They were like, oh, wow. I was like, here, bring him in. So it'll be kind of cool. What other repairs we have, Zach, at the coop lately? Oh, I want to try replacing the driver board on Jackbot. Did we already do that? I don't think we did. Maybe it was the flipboard we replaced. We did replace the flipboard. We didn't replace the driver. Yeah. I think that's next we have to do. And so then I asked, I have a spare board at the coop. And Mark put it in getaway. And I'm like, Mark, when am I going to get this board back? Because I need to use it in something else. Oh, I haven't worked on the other board yet. Mark, get on the fucking case. Fix your board so I can get my board and put it in pin bot. One must die so that one can live. Yes. Live to ride, ride to live. Harley Davidson. Jackpot. Jackpot. So, that's our fun for this week. All right. You know what's also fun? Me yawning? I just got some press materials. For what? From Barrels of Fun. Wow. We must be pressed. We're pressed. Barrels of Fun. Winchester Mystery House. Are we invited to something? No, it's just about the game. Basically, materials, yes, about the game. We'll talk about the game now. Winchester Mystery House. A new haunting under glass where the spirits never rest. Sorry. I got all scared there for a few seconds. My voiceover voice. Featuring world-class sculpts, mesmerizing shot paths, stunning original artwork by Brad Brad Albright, and custom music composed by Jeff Dodson. Do you dare step inside? Inside? Oh, into. Into the most immersive haunted house pinball machine to date? Do you dare? Do you dare? Game attractions. The Winchester Mystery House Ghost Box. That is the Pepper's Ghost Effect thing. The revolving hallway turntable. Well, they call it a turntable. The collapsing tower. Yeah, one of the towers collapses. Like the medieval madness type stuff. Staircase to nowhere. a magnetic ball catch. Seance table and crystal ball. Seance room. Inline target bank. Yes, it's got inline drop targets. Spirit board apron. The whole apron lights up. It looks like wood and it actually lights up. It says what player is up, all that stuff. It looks like a Ouija board. Pretty cool. Let's see. Diverting ramps. Door to nowhere side ramp. Right staircase ramp. The Sculps Winchester Mystery House Witch's Tap, Roofline, Tower, Stained Glass Window Frame, and Crystal Ball. Oh, my. Oh, my. The game features three full-size flippers, one mini flipper, six balls. Always got to have the six balls. That's like the regular amount now. Too many balls. Damn it. Four metal ramps, five chrome wire habit trails, two subways. And a partridge in a pear tree. And two scoops. two vertical up kicks, two magnets, one spinner, one diverter, one kickback, two drop target banks, one inline drop target bank, one captive ball, two up posts, one physical three-ball lock. Oh, good gravy. That's a lot of stuff. It has horizon atmospheric lighting, which I think is like their expression lighting. I think that's what they're calling it. Horizon. Yeah, horizon atmospheric lighting, or how. I'm afraid I can't light that up, Dave. That was funny. I knew Zach would have complete silence because he has no idea what that's from. No, I've seen that movie. Oh, you've seen that movie. I laughed just not loud enough. Did you hate that movie? Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. You did hate it? Why? Was it too boring? No, the whole ending was stupid. Oh, where he's the star child out in space? Yeah. Spoilers. So did you like 2010? The year? Yeah, it was okay. No. The movie. It was a sequel. It wasn't bad. I thought it was better in some ways. Let's see. What else? RGB. Luckily, they didn't find a shark out there. The RGB LED low-profile inner cabinet lighting system. That's the how. Let's see. Playfield insert lamps in general, illumination lamps in playfield, aprons, floodlights. We got the high-gloss decal art. Oh, we got infinity glass, which is their anti-reflective glass. The thunder from down under shaker motor. I do like that. I like that name. Factory installed inner blade art. Let's see. We've got full range stereo speakers and interactive full RGBW illumination. Wait, what does the W stand for? White? White. Okay. Eight-inch cabinet subwoofer. Polyester metallic powder-coated cabinet armor and matching speaker panel with laser-cut stained glass. Good Lord. window pattern speaker grills. The Pepper's ghost display is 12.3 inches. It's currently in production and being manufactured by Barrels of Fun. It's limited to 525 because that's the address of the house. It's at 525 something or other. West Commercial Street in beautiful Los Angeles. In beautiful San Jose, California. Sorry. Very nice. Your timing was good, Brian Savage, in sending the promotional materials as we are recording. Very good. He timed that great. It has an action button, too. Hopefully it's got great multipliers in it. I'm thinking the rules will be a little more complicated. But hopefully not too complicated for me. Well, most rules are too complicated for me. Let's be serious. I hope the rules are too complicated for me. Wow. Wait a minute. Are there any games with rules too complicated for Zach? Not yet. Not yet. But there can be. Open market, completely unserved. Actually, you know, you should send them pictures of your homebrew there, the poker. Maybe you can design a game for them. Yeah, that would be Texas. After your regular job. I mean, that's, Carl doesn't live in Texas. Yeah. See, so it's possible he's doing it after his normal job. You could do the same thing. Is he the first, first time designer that didn't have to move to a pinball manufacturer's location to make a game? Hmm. Maybe. No. Okay, who else? Well, Keith made his first design before even moving out. No. He did? Yes? No, he made a whole group that they looked at and said, yes, okay, we'll hire you. And then he had to move to Chicago. But he made his first design before that. That makes no sense. I mean, his first commercial design. Yes. And it was also the same design. Exactly. Wait a minute. It wasn't a commercial design. Archer was never sold. There's one of them. But he made it, and that was his, like, what can I do? By your logic, then, Zach should be on that list because he has made a non-commercial full-blown brand. He doesn't work for a company. So if he gets hired... So if I got hired and had to move to Alaska to work at that company, then that would still count as me not having to move my first game? Yes. Uh-huh. Just trying to get... I'll let Zach take care of the Bruce logic, because I don't understand... So you're going to go with no to my question for the real answer? Yes. Okay. So the answer is no. No, no one's done that. You just need to be the second most popular pinball streamer on Twitch. Hmm. And then you may be able to make a game made. Wait a minute. Second? Who's first? I don't know. I thought someone was above him. He is one of the few actual Twitch partner level, Twitch partners who actually stream Spinball. So, yeah. I think any time I ever looked, there's always some random podcast I've never heard of who was more popular. Probably because they're popular for something else, and they just happen to be doing Pinball that day. All right. So, do we want to do the ball bag first or John's game, Dr. John's game first? Let's do Dr. John. We don't want to lose all these people. We don't want to lose all the – well, wait a minute. So you think – Yeah, we're going to keep them on with the – Yeah, so you're saying with the Dr. John game, we'll keep them on. Of course. But with the ball bag, don't lose them. Well, no, because the ball bag, they'll be going, ah, just five more minutes before we're done with this fucking shit. Dr. John, they want to see and hear. Okay. So this is one of the two different games we've been sent the last, like, year that we were waiting for an episode to do it on, where we didn't have a lot of news. But we ended up having a freaking game release on this one. But we had already committed to doing this game, which Dr. John wanted you guys to look over stuff before we actually played it, which, of course, you didn't do at all. We're that good. No, you're that just so annoying. But I did. I did, Dr. John. So here we go. Are you ready? Let me explain the rules here. Dr. John would like to show us a list of mechanisms that have appeared through the ages in pinball machines. It is not comprehensive. Feel free to add your own. I'd like to see how you rank them in regards to greatest alteration in how the game of pinball is played, for better or worse, and the best and worst examples of the mech. Are you ready? I'm going to give you ten different mechs here. Well, let's go one at a time. No, I'm going to give you ten mechs. Oh, Jesus Christ. I'm going to list them out, and then you've got to say, you know, by rank them in regards to which ones had the greatest alteration to how the game is played. So, for example, we have Tilt Bob is the first one he lists, which on my list, I did that as number one. But we have tilt bob, pop bumper, drop target, spinner, scoop, as opposed to a saucer, a buck, or a vertical up kicker, magnet, either above the play field or under the play field, diverters, movable target banks. Think like the free bank in AFM. That's the worst. Oh, no, I thought you meant the other one. Okay, sorry. Okay, go ahead. And the LEDs. The address, should I say color changing? Yes, RGB LEDs. Color changing LEDs. So that's your list of ten items. So I'll play first because I actually did some homework. So my order, I put Tilt Bob, number one. because before it went out to tilt, Bob, you could just pick the game up and make the ball do whatever you want pretty much, really. Pop bumper, drop target, spinner, magnet, scoop, movable target banks, the Vuck, diverters, and last, I actually put the RGBs. I'll agree with your last. Star GB is definitely the last for me. I'll agree with it because it's not a mechanism, so it doesn't count. It doesn't count. Otherwise, I'd put it at the top. No. Oh, Jesus. It's the most... It's more important than the pop-up or more important than Tilt Bob. It alters the game more than any of that. As far as the way games changed before and after it, yes. Because otherwise, you don't get any of the rules you have to date, all the stacking, all the colors and all that stuff. I think that's been the biggest change to gameplay in the past decade or two. But not until Bobby just took the game over. No, you had the little thing with the pigeon stools. So you couldn't tell beforehand either. No big change. Bottom of the list. Wow. Okay. Okay, so mine is first the drop target. The drop target. Okay. Yes, number one for me, drop target. Number two, spinner. Okay. Number three, pop bumper. Number four, vertical up kick. Number five, diverters. number six, Scoop, number seven, Magnet, number eight, Tilt Bob, number nine, Movable Target Banks, and number ten, Color Changing LEDs. Wow, I like it. We got totally different lists. Okay, Zach, your turn. I'd have to put Pop-Up at the top, because if you look at games before and after those, the completely different designs. Yeah, like, they don't even use dead bums in the same way. You know, like, those were just, like, a thing you hit with the ball. It doesn't actually do stuff. Drop target next, because I feel like those, like, they were, like, the first bash toy. Yep. Well, when you had banks on them, at least. Single drop target wasn't that much of a difference. Spinner because it's like the first real time that people cared about shots that much that's on the list at least then Vuck banged Diverters I suppose okay he's going to go with Diverters I feel like that's a very broad topic so there's lots of things you could draw from on that one and then Vuck. We're dragging the bottom here, in my opinion, though, so they're all about the same. Vuck Magnet. Vuck. Magnet didn't really do much except for, like, it's useful in games. Scoop, it's got a saucer that's deeper because the flippers are stronger, so it doesn't actually affect anything much. Movable Target Bank, it's just a bad drop target bank. It's just a bad drop target bank. Joe Bob, it's just a better pigeon stool, and then at the very bottom, the non-mechanism LEDs. Okay. Okay, so do we got to talk about each one being the best and worst, or do we not? Well, we just talk about good and bad examples of each one. Some of them I don't know how you do, like Tilt-Bomb. I mean. Tilt-Bombs are all the same, so we just skip that one. No, the first Spooky Game had the worst Tilt-Bomb because it lasted forever and tilted you. Okay. Is that more of a code thing, though? I used to call that the Spooky Tilt. You get the warning. Okay. you trap up, you wait like a minute, you flip again, all of a sudden you get a second warning, like, whoa, just majorly delayed warnings. Like pop-up, I put some of my good examples, things like Spanish eyes, just because the ball actually can be below the flippers and you can save it. Paragon, the beast layer, because it drains you. I try to have an example of, you know, cool, it can save you. Paragon, it can just drain you. And I actually put nine ball because that one pop bumper can hit two different target banks and lock a ball. Okay. As an example. Drop targets, I put like a countdown. Yeah, countdown. Far out, and I put Paragon slash Harlem because of the inline drops. Spinner, I put any classic stern. Yep, any classic stern. Just about. Scoop. Whirlwind would be my first one, my thought for that, because it actually went to another kick out, you know. So you got the hole, and then you went and it kicked out the other way. I thought that was pretty cool. Was that the first scoop? Not the first scoop, but the first, like, you weren't just kicking into a scoop and kicking it back out. I'm just trying to think of any Bigler scoop before that. Hmm. Yeah, was it a nurse shaker? No. No, that had a buck in it. No, it had a hole. Yeah, the hole went to a buck, right? No, it just kicked on the side, and then you had the flipper. It fed to the left flipper. Oh, yeah, that was just a kick-out hole. It wasn't a scoop. Are we saying a scoop is a Lawler thing, it sounds like? It might have been. Like, the Lawler thing with, like, the whole, like, 180 scoop to kick the ball out and stuff, like, I can't think of any games before his starting with Whirlwind that used that. Yeah. Let's see. How about some good magnet examples? There are none. There are none. Not Spider-Man. Not Spider-Man. Oh, Spider-Man's cool. Come on. Twilight Zone at Upper Platefield's cool. Goldeneye, Ball Save is cool. Jungle Lord. Yeah, or Black Knight or any of those games. and also the other thing on GoldenEye. Yes. Yeah, the satellite. The satellite, yeah. I think it's actually cooler than the Saver. Yeah. I like the both uses. What are bad examples of magnets? Like World Cup Soccer because it doesn't work? Yeah, World Cup Soccer, Twister. No, Twister was a good magnet. Twister was a good one. World Cup Soccer is the shitty one. I mean, it's combined with a spinner, so it doesn't count as much, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah, World Cup Soccer is definitely a bad one. What else is there? BMX. Yeah. Because it's just kind of up there, like, oh, there's a magnet. Every once in a while, there's this magnet. It's like, oh, there's a magnet there. Okay. The other magnet in Solar Fire that's a doodle bug doesn't actually doodle. Yeah. It fakes it. Lies to you. Or the extra magnet in Guardians just stops the ball. Yeah. All three of the magnets in Guardians. Yeah, actually, yeah. They just kind of stop it and drop it down the middle and stuff. Yeah. Those are bad magnets. Or just all the magnets on Wonka, except all the little magnets on Wonka. Those are like the worst thing ever. Yeah, those are all magnets. That's crazy. There's six of them, and you never know if anything exists. Yes, it's crazy. What are bad spinners? In Gottlieb. In Gottlieb with the plastic spinner? Before the metal one, yeah. Okay. No, but even before the plastic ones, the EMs that had a metal spinner, they all sucked too. Yeah. Okay. So they had the drop targets down, but the spinners, they just invented the spinner, and they never made a game they actually scored well in. So, diverters. I don't know if there's any games with diverters. I like Congo. It's a simple one, but. And Shadow. Oh, yeah, Shadow. Shadow diverters. Every game that we have that you can stop a loop and beat it back to the upper. You know, think about it. We take those for granted. but most every Williams has diverters up top with the flaps. To go in the loop? Pop-uppers in the orbit. Yeah. Yeah. And that actually I think is the most important one that we actually don't talk about a lot. Johnny Mnemonic has multiple diverters, like right next to each other. Yep. On the upper left. Movable target banks. There's only a couple games with them, so, you know, not really. They're pretty iconic, most of them. Like, AFM is pretty iconic, that three-bit. And Jackbot. Yep. Slash Pinbot. Pinbot. Black Knight 2000. Yeah. Spider-Man. Yeah. Oh, yeah, my Spider-Man. I forgot for the repair section. It's back together. Yeah, Vance did a good job. Good job. Thank you, Vance. My backbox is as good as new. It's great. And I made some alterations on the game. I basically put the flippers down a little bit further so it's harder to trap. And I also replaced the bushings with the new stern bushings to get a little more power. So don't forget, folks, this will be at next year's Stomp. It's shooting good and hard enough. I feel comfortable using it. Oh, yeah, it gets hard. Okay, aggressively color-changing LEDs. What's a bad moving target bank? I don't think there is that many. That's why. It won't be a bad one. I feel like there's got to be a bad one. What about Avatar? No, not Avatar. Well, Avatar is a bad one. Yeah, Avatar. Is it bad, though? It's pretty bad. Just because it's a bad game? I think it's more fun than the Spider-Man one. The whole toy is pretty cool. No, because it's the same as the AFM one, so I take it the same way. But it's got the kicker behind it and stuff you've got to shoot into. It's not just a giant wide-open hole. A giant wide-open hole. Yeah, it's not running out. And what are bad examples of drop targets? Like just ones that break? Yeah. Or pop bumpers. What's a bad pop bumper? The one on Hollywood Heat. Okay. Actually, Star Wars, the new Star Wars is a little annoying, too. Once in a while, if it hits it, it's going down the outer lane. But that's his job. I thought those looked awesome. Yeah, it does look awesome. I mean, when you're playing, you're having a good ball, and all of a sudden, ding, ding, you're like, fuck! Yeah, so, but other than that, yeah. I'll say, bad pop-boppers would be more like the nest of three that became, like, the standard on every game. Yeah, one exit. That's always in the same place. It's just, okay. We finally got out of that. and an adjustable color changing LEDs color changing LEDs but they're adjustable too I'm sure yeah, adjustable so I'm thinking the worst example is probably what people think is the best one which is Guns N' Roses just over the top it really is I always thought the original hold on for two seconds it's good these headaches I'm forgetting love you bye have a good night to the wife Wizard of Oz like the first full full RGB game yeah made me the good use of that yeah I thought it made really good use of it it just became like every game just had it and just spammed it everywhere yeah well here you go the one they had two the two different attract modes so the one looked really nice and the other one looked like full clown so there you go It's good and bad in the same game Because I remember they had the two different attract modes The one that was more of a A nice sweeping And the other one is just full, all out Look at all these lights Look at all these different colors Isn't it great? Also bad Walking Dead Premium Okay It has the RGB lights But it's like it's Walking Dead You shouldn't be putting pinks and purples and bright blues on your lights. I agree. Really doesn't match with the theme. What do you think? That's the rumor. The next remaster is going to be Walking Dead Do you think that make it to Expo No No No Oh well Any ideas on what you think it might be You think they'll go for a comic book? That's what I keep hearing. Oh, sure. They were teasing that. Like, the remake wouldn't make sense. I'd be impressed if they managed to put the... Because Metacola was only last year, right? Or was it two years ago? Last year. I'd be impressed if they managed to make another remake in just one year. That's true. take more time, like, after the first one actually succeeded, beyond the next phase, and be like, oh, we should do another one of these. Let's find a theme and re-license the theme and get the team to do it and, you know, all that stuff. Well, Ford's been busy. He's been very busy. Yeah. All right. I don't know what they're doing in Call of the Window, but I assume they're doing something from the teasing. It is strange. Oh, yeah, Stern, yeah, Stern released a Facebook post. It's like, what did it say? What horror themes would you like to see in a game or something? Which everyone took that as a dig at Spooky. So then Spooky had a post saying, what Marvel games would you like to see? Whatever. It's just like, okay, cute, cute. All right, are we done with Dr. John's game? Dr. John. I like that we had a completely different order. That's nice. Me and Zach are closer than you. Yeah, I think it's most just technicalities because Ron isn't thinking about the past well enough. Oh, wow. His age, he's starting to lose his mind a little bit. So we just give that a little extra credit there. We know that happens. Okay. See, that's why I've got to bust their asses, folks, because I know they're just going to tag team me. Wow. So you see this. He hates us. Well, yeah, you always just gang up on me on these things. No, we just have more pinball knowledge. Yeah. Oh, really? We have it now. Okay. Yeah. We have it. We're good. We don't get all ours in a single historical podcast or something. Yeah. You don't have that power. Reading right off the sheet. You mean my other podcast? Yeah, that one. The one you have it all, you know. Which is Silver Ball Chronicles, ladies and gentlemen. You can listen to it. Listen to our latest episode. We talk about Keith Elwin. And where do you find that podcast? Which streaming service has that? What do you mean streaming service? Just search for Silver Ball Chronicles podcast and you will find it. Search where? Where? Internet. Google it. Google it. Google it. Or go in your podcatcher and just search it and you will find it. What if it doesn't catch it? What if you can't catch them all? You can listen to me and David Dennis talk about pinball history. All scripted out, folks. It's not like us. We're on the fucking fly. That's for sure. Well, good SEO, actually. The entire first page of Google is all the correct result. Amazing, isn't it? Good props to Dennis. No, next time you talk to him. Here you go. What is our name on there? Oh, what? Slam Tilt? I think you've got to say, like, Slam Tilt Pinball or something to get it. Nope. Slam Tilt Pinball Podcast. Oh. There we are. That does have the word pinball in it, yeah. Oh, the second result is Silver Ball Chronicles. Duh! Least for a second. All right. Ready for the ball bag? I am always ready to release my ball bag out into the world. Wait, wait, wait. Last result on the first page. Reddit. Looking for a new pinball podcast to listen to. Quote, the Wedgehead podcast and Silver Ball Chronicles are the two best in rounds. Slam Tilt is also pretty good. Oh! Nice. Hey, we are world famous, though. On Reddit. Obviously. No, I know. On Slamtail Podcast, we are in a Dutch. No, sorry. Dutch? Netherlands. Dutch. Yes. Yes. Yes. Netherlands magazine. Magazine. All three of us are in that article. All three of us are in that article. What article would that be, Bruce? About the Rochester Pinball Collective. Yeah, but what Dutch magazine is this? Flippers. Flippers. Flippers. So if you're listening to us in the Netherlands, pick that up wherever you pick that up. Yes, and enjoy it and love it. I was going to say the newsstand, but I don't think that's probably at a newsstand. And I got quoted also in another news article. Oh, God. Yes. I got quoted. Oh, yeah. The pinball kineticist quoted Bruce, so he's so happy. Yes. They took his line of cash grab. Cash grab! Well, which we didn't talk about, that planetary pinball. They're coming out with this series of figurines. Figurines of characters. That the Art of Pinball is making. I mean, they look pretty good. They look good, but who's going to buy it? You're going to have 10 and 20 sold, maybe. They're like $200-something. Exactly. I'm trying to figure out how big they are. Would you buy a Dr. Dude? He looked pretty cool. I did like the Captain Bazaar. Okay, so you would buy one for $200? No. Exactly. There you go. Thank you. You just made my point. But I did like the Captain Bizarre one, I have to say. But it's still $200. Would you spend $200? No, nobody will. Well, we'll see. I think people will. People will always spend money, Bruce. I could put it as a topper on my freaking Dr. Dude. Exactly. It's cheaper than the other toppers. True. Then I could put lights in it and LED it up. Yeah! Okay. We're in the ball bag, and this is from John. And this is, oh, God, this is that Aspen pinball machine thing again. It's back. It's back. There's like a back and forth where you have the one guy posting that 3,800, other guy posting that, no, it's not rare, it's not. And then the other guy just posting back saying, people are saying this is not valuable. It is. It's kind of funny. It's in the Seattle Craigslist. And, oh, it's been deleted. Maybe he finally sold it for $3,800 Maybe not I bet you not But yeah, the Aspen pinball That we talked about in a previous episode I wonder if it's an Aspen pinball Stick that to the Taxman tune Cause I'm the Aspen You are Yeah, I'm the Aspen Alright Hi, Bruce and Ron Hi This is from Scott It says, not another Scott, Scott S. Okay, go ahead. Hi, Bruce and Ron. My pinball buddy Jeff is turning 50, and he's a dedicated Slam Tilt listener. He's an STD. Cool. Crikey. In honor of this momentous occasion, I was hoping you could rank your top three games. Oh, and we got Zach here, too. rank your top three games across Gottlieb, Bally, and Williams from 1975. Oh, crap. I'm probably going to have to look that up then. Don't worry. Oh, I've included the list below. Hope to celebrate with you at the Rochester Pinball Collective. What a gosh. Located at 349 West Commercial Street, East Rochester, New York, 2965. And get one of Ron's famous hugs. Yes. By the way, he wrote 329 West Commercial Street. I saved him there. Okay. Your other Scott, he says. Very good. Zach, Scott wanted to know how the EEPROM went. It went well. It's in my inbox. It's in your inbox. Good. Oh, at least I got Leslie. Okay, good job. Zach is on the ball. Wow, this is not a good list. So here we go. These are the Gottlieb games of 1975. We got Abercadabra, Atlantis, El Dorado, Quick Draw, Gold Strike, Top Score, 300, Fast Draw, holy shit, Pin Up, Super Soccer, Soccer, Spirit of 76, Spin Out, Out of Sight. Yeah. There you go. There's one. Lucky Strike and Tiger. What about Toledo? You forgot Toledo, Satin Doll, Black Gold. They're Williams. They're Williams. We're doing Gottlieb. Okay. Those are all Gottliebs? I thought one of those was the Williams. Yeah. You said Abracadabra, which was the first Gottlieb, you know, so what are you doing? Yeah, it's Gottlieb. So in the top three, I kind of like Abracadabra. Abracadabra, definitely one. And definitely, I like 300. Eldorado's okay. And I'll have to say Out of Sight. The two-player version of the other, yeah. Yeah. That's the top one. The top one. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. What the hell is Tiger? I don't know what Tiger is. Well, it's an animal with stripes. Oh, it's... It's Tiger. It's a nuclear. A version of Orbit. Oh. Bruce likes Orbit. With the art from Jungle Queen. Well, Super Orbit is Orbit. I know, but... So that means Tiger also has the same play field. Oh, gosh, that's three of them. And Outer Space. Oh, God. Four of them. Distributed exclusively in Italy because apparently they don't like space enough there. Far out, by the way, is the four-player of out of sight there. Okay. So next, Valley. Well, do we agree or what are we saying? Those were my three. I like your three. You like my three. I hate 300. You hate 300. I hate 300. Yeah, 300. Well, then you can't have my three then, Bruce. You didn't say 300. I did say 300. I said abracadabra 300 and out of sight. Okay, I said Abracadabra, Eldorado, and the out of sight. Okay. Pick the other game that's worse than 300. No. Okay, Zach, what are your three? You're Mr. Gottlieb. I'll probably have better ones. Sorry. I got confused with Gold Strike. Yeah, sorry. I picked the good one. I picked the good one. Well, honestly, it's hard picking any other good ones out of that list either. Here you go. See? Well, we'll just say out of sight, and what are the other two? Gabber-Kadabra. Okay. Oh, he needs the third one. That's so hard. They can't all suck. There's like ten other games. They all suck. Yeah. They might all suck. Oh, man. El Dorado might actually be the best of those. Yep. Okay. There you go. So, Valley. We'll do Valley because they've got to have less. Hocus Pocus, High Deal, Wizard, Air Aces, oh, my God, Flicker, Knockout, Blue Chip, and Miss Universe. isn't Blue Chip? Valley Blue Chip? No. Maybe they made one too. There is a Williams Blue Chip. Yeah. I don't know. Oh, there was a Valley Blue Chip. Okay. Oh, wow. Man, we're burning things today, Bruce. This is scary. Hocus Pocus. Oh, Blue Chip is a bingo. So I don't know if that was what he meant or not. Oh, so no. No. So what was the Williams one, 1975? Yes, it is, yeah. Okay, so that's actually a Williams one. All right. Okay. So Hocus Pocus, Wizard, and Bow and Arrow. Let's see. I'll say Hocus Pocus is fine. Bow and Arrow. Yeah, he's the interaction, like, oh, boy. I don't want to just pick Wizard, though. You've got to, though. It's got a spinner. Air Aces sucks. Flickers sucks. Yeah, I'll say that. I'll go with Bruce on this one. Was there any game besides what Bruce just listed in the first three? Focus, focus. High Deal. Yeah, you don't want High Deal. Exactly. Air Aces. Air Aces. Flicker. Flicker. Knockout. That's it. And Miss Universe, whatever that is. That's another what's called bingo. So guess what, Max? Can I choose the Williams blue chip as one of them? We'll let you know next. I don't even want to choose Hocus Pocus, but I think I'd have to. You'd have to. I like the AB. And then I feel like Wizards almost made it up to make me want to do high deal. It's very much I hate high deal, but I shouldn't do it because I hate high deal. So, yeah, I got to agree with you guys. Wow, so we have an agreement on Bally. All right, Williams. Williams. Williams. Williams. We have... Triple strike. Triple strike. To be fair, I think that if you modded the rule for the bonus, Hydeo might be good. Triple strike. Little chief. Pat hand. Big Ben. Toledo. Satin doll. Black gold. And I think blue chip is one. And blue chip. And blue chip. Well, blue chip is definitely in one of mine. So blue chip. Little chief. And I have to say triple strike. Hat Hand is terrible. I don't remember half these games. Toledo is terrible. Satin Doll is terrible. Black Gold, I don't even know what that is. It might be a bingo. It's a really rare one. So I got my three. Yeah, Little Chief. Yeah, Triple Strike. I'll go with that. Yep, got it. But some of the other ones, I don't even know. I know Toledo. Yeah, no. Satin Doll, no. Blue Chip, though. It's an EM. It's single player. It's not great. It's got spinners. I'll go blue chip. It's better than Grand Prix. Exactly. Ooh. Triple strike. What's triple strike? Oh, no. I hate that game. I'll go black gold for the third one. You never played it, I guarantee. No, I played it once. Okay. Did you play Texas Tea? Well, the first thing you know. Hey, Zach, move away from there. They said, California is the place you ought to be. So he loaded up his truck and moved to Benton, Missouri. Colt, that is. You said Benton, because you can't rhyme Wisconsin with anything. Yeah, exactly. Benton, Wisconsin is what I'm saying. Black gold, Texas tea. Join the colt, please. I've also always liked... Black Gold has the inserts up the middle if you hit an order, like the rollover inserts. I always liked the mechanic, but there aren't any good games with it. It's also got the weird Big Ben non-inlanes, but they're still metal and not just rubber. That feels surprisingly good. So the next one is from Daniel. Daniel is traveling tonight on a train. He says, dudes, what the hell? What the fuck? How are you going to title the last episode Imperial Walkers? The title should have obviously been Force Churds. Fail. Daniel, wow. No, it should have been AT-ATs. No, AT-ATs, you fool. God damn. It is AT-ATs. It's AT-ATs. We have the commercial that proved it. So can you pronounce the two-legged version then? S-T-S-T. I've never been. Without using the letters. Stint, stint, stint, stint, stint, stint, stint, stint, stint. Or how about the X? Yeah, that's the really obvious way to do it. That's totally how they would do it in real life. I've got to find the commercial for the toy for that to see what they call it. Yeah. Actually, I've got to do that. Inquiring minds. Inquiring minds want to know. Okay, what do we got here? We got an email from Glenn. Glenn. Glenn. And apparently there is data on match play on how often games turn up in tournaments. Enjoy the line graph on stars. Look at that. Oh, my goodness. It was just way down. It was down there, hardly used. And then, wow, 2023, it exploded to where it should be. People are lagging. Well, it had a little bump up into 2022. But, man, in 2023, it exploded in just stars goodness. Looks like peaking a little earlier this year. Peaking? We had to work harder. Over 1,000 games on stars. Peaking duck. Peaking duck. I love it. I bet you some of them were at the Beast where my stars was. Yeah, they're all your stars. The one that plays better than mine. Yes, totally agree. Was that a match play, though? Yes, I think it was. Yes. Are you sure? I thought that was Neverdrains. Oh, maybe it was Neverdrains. Yeah, you're right. Oh, I got it. We're underrepresented then. Yeah. Right. It's underrepresented. All right. I didn't say you were right. I said you're right. Next one's from Corey. Hello, Bruce and Ron. Hey, Zach. I have a fun fact that may only interest me. Okay. Okay, Sierra. Thanks. Oh, wait a minute. Last episode you mentioned Pro Bowler Parker Bone III. Yes. At some point when I was in high school, both Parker Bone III and Jack Guarnieri both lived in the town I grew up in. Jackson, New Jersey. Let's see, Jack. The home of Great Adventure. Jack's daughter, Jersey Jen, was in the same graduating year as my brother. I don't know if there's a pinball connection between Parker and Jack, but some quick Googling suggests that, yeah, they had that game. It was a shuffle ball, right? Parker Bone III, shuffle bowler. Might have to kick it over to historian David Dennis from Run's other podcast, The Silver Ball Chronicles, which can no longer be found on the pinball network. There you go, Bruce. You got what you wanted. Woo-hoo! Yeah, I remember. I saw one of those. I remember that. Parker Bone III, shuffle bowler. I own one. You had a shuffle alley of a Parker Bone III? Yep. I got it for free. I couldn't get it working. It was a disaster. Oh. I gave it to somebody who thought he can get it working. It took him like $1,000, and he just had to rip all the guts out of it and put different guts in it, and he got it to work, and then he sold it for like $400. He was like, I couldn't get anything for it. I just remember Parker Bone was like 5'5". Yeah, that's why him and Jack got along so well. Oh, man. You are so mean. Hey, what the fuck are you talking about? Hey, what the fuck are you talking about? Hey, you think a fucking game out of me? Fuck yeah. Okay. That empties out The mailbag Yes Wow Trademarked Barrels of Mons Winchester Mystery House reveal And I'm getting all the distributors now Ready to order Jesus Christ Who knows Maybe I'll play it And have like a revelation Yeah I'll get rid of that fucking Evil Dead Make money on it And I'll buy this game instead I'm getting rid of The game The game I don't have yet Yes. You can sell a game just like everyone else does. Let's sell my spot. Yeah. Is that what you're saying? That's what I'm saying. I'd be saying it. I'm looking forward to my Evil Dead. When it comes after my surgery and I won't be able to get in the house or do anything. He'll be calling us. Can you guys drive out here so he can get my game in? I have some other people that will be able to help. Are they professional pinball people? Did you have to be a professional pinball person to move a game? You don't want to damage a game. You don't want an amateur to move it? Okay. You don't want to damage it. That's all I got. The Escalera is a very nice product. Oh, the Escalera rules. And you can get that from Flip N Out Pinball, don't forget. Flip N Out Pinball, the official pinball seller to the Rochester Pinball Collective. And Escalera, get your fucking pin table, like, redesigned or whatever. I'm waiting for it. Oh, the tilt again? Yeah, the pinball table. Yeah. Yeah. They have one of those right at the front, too, at Allentown. Right when you're watching, it's right there. Like, oh, there it is. The table. The table. It might not be able to lift an avatar, though. Yeah. Just the... Because I hear that thing costs like... It costs like... It's absurdly heavy. Absurd. That's all I got. I think we're done. Are we? You tell me. You guys have anything else? No, I'm doing good. You're good? Yeah. Zach, are you good? Are you good? Are you here to correct us in any way, Zach? Have we said anything wrong? I haven't listened to the last few podcasts. Well, we know. You don't listen to anything. But, I mean, are you going to? I'm surprised you didn't with all that driving you had to do. And Pardis, any wisdom? I'm talking to my mom, so I wouldn't listen to something like this. Too much swearing for her? Fuck yeah! You guys are just so uncouth. So uncouth, especially when we're not near our microphones. Yeah, I know. Just like that, couth. Yeah. You should talk, Bruce. You were away from the mic also. What? Yeah, exactly. I'm like this. Yeah. Now I'm like this. I'm the only one who cares about you, the listener. These guys couldn't care less. Or Bruce Bennett could care less, probably. Yeah, I could care less. You could care less. That means you do care, at least a little. Yeah, there's things I care about less. I could obviously care less. Uh-huh. Yes, he doesn't care enough to get closer to his mic at this point. How's this? That's better. Yeah, baby. Just in time to say goodbye. Goodbye, Bruce. Nope. Don't forget, hello to everyone on our cluster, Buck. Hey, Steve, I'm a bonus. Hey, Jeff Teolis, your team is hopefully down 2-0 now. Oh, you mean the Blue Jays. The Blue Jays. Oh, yes, that beat the Yankees. And then I had to hear all this, like, what was it? Yeah, all their fucking chanting and everything. Well, no, I was confused with the whole, what was the expression they were all saying? Start spreading the news. No, no, no, no. I didn't make it up. No, it was the Yankees lose, but it wasn't. It was, oh, duh, Yankees lose. Duh, Yankees, yeah. I guess what? They're getting fucking smoked right now. I was getting confused. Like, what is that making fun of? New Yorkers, duh, you know, like duh. Yeah, duh, but I thought they were making fun of the John Sterling, you know, the Yankees win, who I always hated, fucking John Sterling. But wouldn't it be, you know, the Yankees lose. Wouldn't that be, if you were making fun of that? Yeah. Yeah, well, luckily the Toronto Blue Jays are getting smoked right now, 10-3 in the top of the eighth. Oh. So they're going to go 0-2 and go play three games in Seattle. Ha, ha. Seattle, yeah, they made the play. First year since 2001. Yeah. When they got beat by the Yankees. Yes. I still remember that. I'm rooting for Seattle this time. Ah, yes, yes. Fuck the Jays. Oh, wow. Too cocky they were when they came out of that series. Like, oh, look at us. You tied the Yankees. You had the tiebreaker. That's the only reason why you got the home field. And actually, didn't they beat the Yankees most of the year? Yes, they did. No, I'm kidding. They got the tiebreaker. That was the tiebreaker. Yeah, but I mean, I thought they beat them a lot. It was like 8-3 or 8-4. Yeah, yeah, a lot, yeah. Does Zach know what baseball is? Yeah, he used to play it. Oh, my God. You played a sport? Back in elementary school, yeah. Wow. They used to call him Mr. Touchdown. They used to call him Mr. Seed. Does Bruce know what baseball is? Yeah, I don't think Bruce knows what baseball is. I think Zach was like the natural. He'd come up, they'd play the music from the movie, you know, hitting home runs and stuff. Hit him off the light post. Yep. Making tons of sparks all over the field. That's the movie, Zach, The Natural, which you probably haven't seen. No. That's a fucking awesome movie. God. Every time it's on, I stop and watch it the whole way. Whatever, you know, to the end. It's a good movie if you want to be in a good mood. You watch that movie. Feel good mood. It's a feel good movie. Yes. Even someone as jaded as me enjoys watching The Natural. Okay. I feel good now that Seattle's still up 10-3. That's great. Does Zach have any favorite sports teams at all? No. No? Like, just none? I don't even have a sport team that's not my favorite. Okay. Just so you don't feel left out, do you have a favorite BattleBot? No. You don't even have a favorite BattleBot? No. But you watch BattleBots all the time. How do you not have a favorite? I have more than one favorite. You have more than one favorite? Okay, just present. What are your top three favorite BattleBots? Tombstone, Shatter, and Hydra. Okay. Very good. Mine is the one that flips everyone. What's that one again? That's Hydra. That's Hydra, yeah. You're such a big fan of Hydra, I can tell. I love the flippers. It literally flipped one so high it hit the roof. I mean, I love that. That's great. All right. That's enough. We're running out of material here. And we hit the two-hour mark. This is great. Yay! So people can listen to this on the way to Expo. Yay! Actually, yeah, my flight is two hours exactly, just about. Mine's on. Mine's way less. Yeah, mine's still mine. Well, yeah, you're in Rochester. Yeah. You're close, man. And it's cheaper, too. Much cheaper than it probably cost me. Yeah. Yep. I have the most expensive airline in the entire upstate New York area. whatever this has been episode what episode has this been again this is episode 257 so we are the Slamtail Podcast you can check out our website www.slamtailpodcast.com all our links are in the upper right hand corner click our twitch our youtube channels you can watch some it's uploaded you can watch the exciting finals that finished around 12.30am they went too long. We should have just did top 16. But that's for another time. But yeah. And you can email us at slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com That's slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com See you all at Expo. At least me. Until next time, say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, John Kearns. Oh my, my Hold my mind Can you fool me? Can you fly? Hold my mind Hold my mind You can fool me If you try Hold my mind Hold my mind Guaranteed to keep you alive Thank you. Oh my. Oh my. Oh my. Oh my. Okay, I think I got everything going here. Yes, there is... What the hell? Zach's fucking cooking dinner. Fucking cooking dinner. What are you doing? No, the cat is meowing for food. And if it meows in the stream, that'd be bad. So I'm going to feed it first. Sort of.

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