# Episode 84 – $23.10

**Source:** Slam Tilt Podcast  
**Type:** podcast_episode  
**Published:** 2018-03-29  
**Beat:** Pinball

**URL:** https://www.slamtiltpodcast.com/2018/03/29/episode-84-23-10/

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## Analysis

Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale host Slam Tilt Podcast episode 84 with guests Greg Waparelli and Josh Sharp ("Deuce"), discussing the Stern Pro Circuit Final (formerly PAPA Circuit Final) where Josh won the championship, and the Heads Up Championship tournament held the following day. The episode covers tournament structure, game selection strategy, competitive meta, and the newly announced Iron Maiden pinball machine.

### Key Claims

- [HIGH] Josh Sharp won the PAPA Circuit Final (now called Stern Pro Circuit Final), the top 40 competitors from circuit events throughout the season — _Ron and Josh discuss the tournament results; Josh beat Colin Urban in the final_
- [HIGH] The PAPA circuit final belt is procured and brought to the final by Papa's (John Popadiuk's) responsibility per contract with three companies in the circuit — _Josh Sharp confirms this is in the contract between the three companies included in the circuit_
- [HIGH] Iron Maiden was announced as the next Stern pinball machine at the PAPA Circuit Final — _Greg Waparelli confirms the announcement; multiple references to Iron Maiden reveal via Facebook countdown with Keith's profile pictures_
- [MEDIUM] The Supreme Spider-Man pinball machine costs $40,000 and only 12 units are being made — _Greg Waparelli mentions the price ($14,000 initially guessed, then corrected to $40,000) and production run of 12 units_
- [MEDIUM] IFPA bank account has reached $20,000 according to Josh Sharp, with state tournaments bringing in more revenue than expected — _Josh Sharp reports IFPA financials; mentions Ohio state competition for most money in accounts_
- [HIGH] The tournament format changed from the first year: it uses two Pinburgh rounds with Papa scoring (4-2-1-0, goes 40-20-10) until the final 10, then switches to a ladder format — _Ron and Josh discuss the tournament structure; both confirm the format details_
- [HIGH] Josh Sharp considers the PAPA/Stern Circuit Final win his biggest public achievement, though privately he values tournaments like May Day 2005 very highly — _Josh discusses his tournament accomplishments and compares circuit win to previous major wins_
- [HIGH] RoboCop at the venue has extremely tight tilt debounce settings and was significantly darker than other machines during practice — _Josh and Ron discuss RoboCop's tilt settings and lighting conditions; Josh intentionally picked it as final game for match with Colin Urban_
- [MEDIUM] The Supreme pinball machine has enhancements over the initial Spider-Man design, according to George Gomez — _Greg Waparelli references George Gomez's comments about improvements to the game compared to the pin version_
- [HIGH] The Heads Up Championship uses double elimination with random game selection and multiple objectives per game — _Greg describes the tournament format in detail for the Sunday event_

### Notable Quotes

> "I was good enough. That moment, I was good enough."
> — **Josh Sharp**, ~23:30
> _Josh reflects on his PAPA Circuit Final win, using Krusty the Clown's line to acknowledge he didn't play his best but got the job done when it mattered_

> "I'd rather be lucky than good, is that the saying?"
> — **Josh Sharp**, ~23:15
> _Acknowledges that his tournament win involved some fortune in game selection and opponent performance rather than pure skill_

> "The bank account today just hit 20 grand. I just don't know what to do with myself anymore. It's good to see people are starting to realize, like, everybody getting paid effect, if you make the final, like, it opens the door for so many people to have success."
> — **Josh Sharp**, ~35:00
> _Josh reports IFPA financial growth and notes the positive effect of increasing payouts for finalists in tournaments_

> "It's Iron Maiden, folks. It's gonna be great. Can't wait for it."
> — **Greg Waparelli**, ~41:20
> _Confirms Iron Maiden is the new Stern game announcement after months of teasing by Keith with Facebook countdown posts_

> "When Tim got hired, that's all he asked Tim before he moved to Chicago. Is it Iron Maiden? He's like, I can't tell you."
> — **Ron Hallett**, ~40:45
> _Reveals that Steve Keeler of Rock Fantasy was extremely interested in the game being Iron Maiden_

> "If the Royal Rumble had a max participant in the ring at once of four, then someone gets eliminated and someone else runs down in the ring."
> — **Ron Hallett**, ~17:00
> _Compares the ladder format of the PAPA Circuit Final to WWE's Royal Rumble, suggesting it fits the championship belt aesthetic_

> "I remember going in there and I was so surprised at how much it did not suck."
> — **Greg Waparelli**, ~30:50
> _Greg's reaction to playing the Supreme Spider-Man pinball machine, noting it was better than expected despite the premium price_

> "RoboCop still sort of like it was blinking at me it was I was worth going, at least if it's going to beat me again, I love fighting it."
> — **Josh Sharp**, ~26:00
> _Josh explains his intentional selection of RoboCop as the final game, wanting revenge after a previous loss to Daniele_

> "You know, the volatility of how it goes down, it just kind of happens really fast versus when you have like a Papa weekend or an IPA weekend or whatever, it's like three days of madness."
> — **Josh Sharp**, ~36:30
> _Josh discusses the differences between the one-day circuit final and longer multi-day tournaments in terms of grind and fatigue_

> "Congratulations to everyone in the top ten. You're all better than Jeff Teolis."
> — **Ron Hallett**, ~50:00
> _Humorous jab at Jeff Teolis, who got into the finals as an alternate and continued to be a running joke throughout the episode_

### Entities

| Name | Type | Context |
|------|------|---------|
| Josh Sharp | person | Professional pinball player, tournament competitor, IFPA official; won PAPA/Stern Circuit Final; nicknamed 'Deuce' and 'El Presidente'; known for multiple second-place finishes at world championships |
| Ron Hallett | person | Co-host of Slam Tilt Podcast; pinball player and tournament organizer based in upstate New York |
| Bruce Nightingale | person | Co-host of Slam Tilt Podcast |
| Greg Waparelli | person | Professional pinball player; guest on Slam Tilt; finished 10th in PAPA Circuit Final; tournament competitor |
| Zach Sharpe | person | Top professional pinball player; seed #5 in PAPA Circuit Final ladder; co-holder of championship belt with Josh Sharp; referenced throughout as strong competitor |
| Colin Urban | person | 15-year-old pinball prodigy; finalist in PAPA Circuit Final; faced Josh Sharp in the final match |
| Stern Pinball | company | Major pinball manufacturer; announced Iron Maiden as new game; hosts/sponsors circuit finals |
| Iron Maiden | game | New Stern pinball game announced at PAPA Circuit Final; based on metal band; will have code updates and gameplay variants; mentioned as upcoming release |
| Supreme Spider-Man | game | Limited production custom pinball machine (12 units); costs approximately $40,000; features enhancements over original Spider-Man pin per George Gomez |
| RoboCop | game | Pinball machine used in PAPA Circuit Final; has tight tilt debounce; Josh Sharp picked it as final game to get revenge after previous loss to Daniele |
| Aerosmith | game | Pinball machine used in tournaments; mentioned as popular/competitive game during PAPA Circuit Final |
| Batman 66 | game | Pinball machine used in tournaments; very fast game with quick skill shots; used in both PAPA Circuit Final and Heads Up Championship |
| George Gomez | person | Pinball designer; referenced for enhancements made to Supreme Spider-Man machine |
| John Popadiuk | person | Papa; founder/owner of Papa's hosting venue; responsible for procuring circuit final championship belt per contract |
| IFPA | organization | International Federation of Pinball Associations; governed by Josh Sharp; has accumulated $20,000 in bank account; determines tournament scoring and major/minor designation |
| PAPA Circuit Final | event | Major tournament; top 40 competitors from circuit events throughout season; now rebranded as 'Stern Pro Circuit Final' by Stern marketing; Josh Sharp won 2018/2019 edition |
| Heads Up Championship | event | Sunday tournament at Papa venue; double elimination bracket with 53+ competitors; random game selection with multiple objectives per game |
| Steve Keeler | person | Owner of Rock Fantasy pinball venue; particularly interested in Iron Maiden game; assumed to have pre-ordered LE |
| Tim Kitzrow | person | Stern employee; moved to Chicago; asked about Iron Maiden game before accepting position |
| Jeff Teolis | person | Professional pinball player; got into PAPA Circuit Final as alternate; became running joke throughout episode |
| Zach Wallens | person | Tournament competitor; seeded 6th in PAPA Circuit Final; strong player in ladder rounds |
| Keith | person | Stern employee; conducted Facebook countdown to Iron Maiden announcement with daily profile pictures including Star Trek, Fifth Element, Jaws 3D, Double Impact |
| Ray Day | person | Tournament competitor; #1 seed in PAPA Circuit Final ladder |
| Grabowski | person | Tournament competitor; #9 seed in PAPA Circuit Final; played against Greg Waparelli in ladder |

### Topics

- **Primary:** PAPA/Stern Circuit Final tournament results and format, Josh Sharp's competitive achievements and tournament philosophy, Iron Maiden pinball game announcement, Game selection strategy and pressure settings in tournament play
- **Secondary:** IFPA governance, scoring systems, and financial health, Heads Up Championship tournament format, Supreme Spider-Man limited edition machine
- **Mentioned:** Tournament circuit structure and 'major' vs 'minor' tournament designations

### Sentiment

**Positive** (0.75) — Hosts and guests are celebratory about Josh Sharp's win and excited about Iron Maiden announcement. Positive community sentiment about IFPA tournament growth and payouts. Some light ribbing and banter throughout, particularly about Jeff Teolis and tournament dynamics, but generally warm and supportive tone among competitors. The discussion of competitive minutiae and game selection strategy reflects deep respect for the competitive community.

### Signals

- **[competitive_signal]** Josh Sharp won the PAPA/Stern Circuit Final, described as a major competitive achievement. Tournament used new ladder format for final 10 players. (confidence: high) — Hosts and guests discuss Josh's victory extensively; multiple references to him being the 'Deuce' champion; belt awarded and discussed
- **[announcement]** Iron Maiden announced as next Stern pinball machine at PAPA Circuit Final. Announced by intoxicated local celebrity/person at venue. (confidence: high) — Greg Waparelli confirms 'It's Iron Maiden, folks'; Keith conducted Facebook countdown with thematic images; multiple hosts reference the reveal
- **[product_strategy]** Supreme Spider-Man pinball machine is ultra-limited production (12 units) at $40,000 price point with enhancements over original pin version. (confidence: medium) — Greg Waparelli mentions pricing uncertainty but settles on $40,000; confirms 12-unit production run; references George Gomez's involvement with enhancements
- **[business_signal]** IFPA bank account reached $20,000 with increased state tournament participation and revenue. Josh Sharp reports more interest from states competing for highest account balance. (confidence: high) — Josh Sharp reports IFPA financials directly; mentions Ohio state competition and mentions they've 'spent as much as we could' with overflow
- **[product_concern]** RoboCop machine at PAPA Circuit Final had extremely tight tilt debounce and significantly darker lighting than other machines. Josh exploited this in final game selection. (confidence: high) — Josh and Ron discuss RoboCop's tilt settings in detail; Josh mentions 'no debounce' on warnings; describes darkness during practice; used as pressure setter against Colin Urban
- **[gameplay_signal]** Josh executed challenging skill shot strategy on RoboCop final ball, attempting to control ball direction via English/thumb technique to avoid unfavorable right lane default path. (confidence: high) — Detailed discussion of Josh's final ball on RoboCop; Greg notes Josh's control and accuracy; Josh describes his approach to skill shot outcome
- **[tournament_design]** PAPA Circuit Final uses ladder format for final 10 players after initial group rounds. Described as 'Royal Rumble-style' elimination with replacement structure. (confidence: high) — Ron compares ladder to WWE Royal Rumble; discusses how format works with four-player groups and elimination; Josh discusses how volatility differs from multi-day events
- **[community_signal]** IFPA tournament structure changes showing positive effects: payouts for finalists opening opportunities for more people; state-level competition for account balances emerging. (confidence: high) — Josh discusses 'everybody getting paid effect' and how people are realizing this opens success opportunities; mentions dialogue with country directors about tournament designation
- **[personnel_signal]** Tim Kitzrow hired by Stern; relocated to Chicago; Steve Keeler reportedly asked him specifically about Iron Maiden before accepting position. (confidence: medium) — Ron mentions Tim was asked 'Is it Iron Maiden?' before moving to Chicago; context suggests this was significant question for interested parties like Steve Keeler
- **[collector_signal]** Supreme Spider-Man machine with only 12 units at $40,000 each; Sunshine (presumably collector/operator) requested Greg attempt to acquire one. (confidence: medium) — Greg mentions Sunshine asked him to try to get one; Greg told Peter 'they're making 12 of those, I have no shot' indicating extreme scarcity
- **[event_signal]** PAPA Circuit Final held Saturday with top 40 competitors; Heads Up Championship held Sunday with 53+ competitors in double elimination format. (confidence: high) — Episode discusses both tournaments in sequence; dates confirmed as Saturday and Sunday; bracket sizes and formats detailed
- **[market_signal]** Stern planning Iron Maiden release with implied momentum for delivery to Stern Army locations; timing mentioned as 'next month' suggesting coordinated release strategy. (confidence: medium) — Greg mentions timing and needing to send email to 'get that timing straightened out' and 'watch party' planning; suggests coordinated release schedule

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## Transcript

 Hey, bud, if these chicks like do it for free, then how come there aren't any other guys here? Dammit, Beavis, we've got a room full of chicks here who do it for free, and all you can think about is how come there aren't more guys here? Yeah, how come? Beavis, I'm a little disappointed in you. Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Phil Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host Ron Hallett, here with my co-host Bruce Nightingale. Cheetah cheetah. Okay, what about cheetah? I guess we'll figure out later. And I'll remember to say this first this time, this is episode 84, Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster. Oh god, it's a creature from the Black Lagoon. Uh, no, it's like a lobster thing. It was on a Mystery Science Theater episode. Okay. Yeah, it's a classic. Great. It's Godzilla. So we have not one but two guests today. Yes, we do. I'll let you take this one, Bruce. We have first our new Tim Balls, which is Mr. Greg Waparelli. Hello, Greg. What's up, guys? What's going on? And we have El Presidente. We call him Deuce on this show. He is the Susan Lucci of pinball, Mr. Josh Sharpe. How are we doing today? I'm wondering how much of the intro you guys can include with my rant about phone technology. Oh no, we're not doing that. Well, we could if we're not. Hey guys! Hello! So glad I could join you so easily. You may want to stay tuned after the credits. It might be like a Marvel moment, if you will. I'm a little bit of a grump, if you will. See what kind of grandpa I'm gonna be in 40 years. You bastards! My VR is not working! How dare you make fun of Josh. He finally did it. Congratulations. You are now ace, instead of deuce. Yes. For one day. So did you bring the belt to work today? Funny enough, there is no belt. There was no belt. You don't get to keep that thing? The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. See where it ends up. So what you're saying is some random FedEx delivery guy has your belt? Has the belt right now, yeah. See I envisioned you like bringing it home and like laying it across all of your number two trophies so that nobody... No, no. I think Zach and I will just now, whenever we're together, we'll just wear them together. I think that's what we have to do now. That makes you a bona fide tag team. Right, although I think my, you can tell which belt is which because mine will be a couple of notches looser than Zach's around the waist. I actually think it's the coolest hardware out there. It's pretty sweet. So that begs the question, now that this is the, gonna be the Stern circuit in upcoming years, where, will there be a belt? Yes, it's actually a part, I think it's actually in the contract between the three companies that are included in the circuit that Papa's responsibilities is to procure and bring the belt to the final. Excellent. All right. Pretty sweet. So I can keep playing in it then, because that's all I wanted was the belt. Yes, yes. It was great to not see you there, Ron. Wow. Wow. Wow. Well, maybe we should talk about what we're talking about in case someone has no clue what we're talking about. What happened this weekend? So we played in the PAPA circuit final or the Stern Pro circuit final, whichever one you prefer. Depending if you were an outside media person and Stern was trying to pitch that stuff, or if you were an inside person, it was the last PAPA circuit final. And that was the top 40 competitors from all year round playing in the 20 circuit events from the 17-18 season. Except for, you know, Jeff Teelis who got lucky this weekend, I think. Yeah, he did. He was actually technically on the registration page, because Zach and I handled the registration. He was listed as altered at once, because they actually didn't remove the person who canceled. So that was kind of funny to me. And just to me, because Jeff handled that. Well, his nickname will now be Alternate One. Alternate One, I love it. I mean, all things considered, he picked up some points in the group of death. He was playing Trent, Keith, and Bowen, and I think he came out of it with like three or four points. And he had some, from what he was telling me, some old game where he barely, like if it went the other way, he would have advanced like that close. Yeah, Trentar... I didn't see it, but yeah. Trentar went all old games. He did, man. Thank you, Trent. Yeah, I would have done the same. Oh yeah, I need to take this opportunity to personally thank Josh Sharpe as my co-pilot. You're welcome, man. I appreciate it. Well, I needed you to take all those points for me to get through with the seven. We were paired up in round two, boys. Oh, okay. Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot these guys have no clue what the fuck they're doing. Right. I was driving, so yeah, I didn't see any of that. Yeah, and in a lot of the earlier rounds, there was nothing online, so I had to go by, you know, the broadcast. Actually, I don't think there was anything, I don't think there was anything online until the latter started. No, there was. Where? Round one and two were both streamed. They were streamed. There were no standings. I had no idea where I was while I was playing. It's like, don't worry. All right. The players were in the same boat as the viewers on that one. But that's not all. There was a Sunday event. There was a Sunday event. Well, let's just say on the Saturday event. So we had the circuit finals. Okay, guys, I left early. I got like a good... and this was the first time I actually pre-baked with Amanda that I was going on a podcast after this weekend, and she seemed happy about it. So we had... so you have the top 40, and they changed this a little bit from the first year, but now it's like, you guys play what? You play foursomes, and then the bottom two get eliminated, and you play... it's... you get to the last ten? It's two Pinburgh rounds but with Papa scoring. So, four game rounds, 4-2-1-0, goes 40-20-10. And then once we get to 10, we get the ladder. Which I love the ladder. It feels like some kind of like Royal Rumble. Like if the Royal Rumble had a max participant in the ring at once of four, then someone gets eliminated and someone else runs down in the ring. It certainly fits the belt too, right? Yeah. Like it's just half perfect. Yeah, I think they should have had everyone like just run in when it was their turn. Just run down. They should have theme music play for each person. They come down. Come on, if you want to grow. I'm just thinking growing pinball, you know, that's that's kind of what they were going for with this, right? Nine people, nine people jumping on Elwin as he lifts everybody up and throws them out of the ring. That would be good. He sees like the uh the big show roll or something. Everyone just stands up on him and tries to throw him over the top rope. I love it. So we got to the last 10 and then we began the ladder. Now where were you in the order of rank? I was surprised. I totally assumed that I was going to be in the first whatever, the bottom four, 7, 8, 9, 10, and I think I was fifth. There was a lot of top guys took a dump in the early rounds, so I was surprised. I think I was like the 22 seed or something like that out of 40 and was surprised to be in the top half of 5 out of 10. I just assumed I was going to be somewhere in the bottom half. Took a dump. I'm glad you sugar-coated that. You know, last year my Papa Circuit final experience was fly-in. My first four games went last, last, last, third, went to the airport, flew out. Oh man. Yeah. I've had those dumps. It's cool. It's all right. Happens to the best of us, but I've never heard of somebody literally flying home straight afterwards. I did. My daughter turned... Birthday! Birthday! That's a good reason. Yup. Then you came back the next day. I did. I did. I did put her to bed first. Then I raced to the airport and left again. So yeah, I could actually nerd out. I remember the seeds. I was 10th. Hrabowski was 9th. Joshua Henderson was 7th. Zach Wallens was 6th. He had game choice in the first game. Keith came in as the next seed, so he was five, which I believe leaves Josh at four, Colin Urban at three, Bowden at two, and Ray Day was numero uno. You missed Grabowski. He skipped a number. He'll listen to this back and you'll be like, I'm an idiot. Yeah, I'm definitely an idiot. So it got down to the... Well, for me watching it, it was like anything that wasn't Batman 66 I liked. And then when it was Batman 66, it was like, oh, okay, this is gonna take a while. Not on that one! It was that one! It still took it. I liked watching Aerosmith destroy people. I thought that was more fun. Oh, man. But that was way more fun watching that, or Meteor, or any of the older games. Scalaxy was great. You would have loved to have heads up, Ron. Batman took 30 seconds. Oh, it was so much fun. But we'll get into that later. So we got to the final two, which was Josh Sharpe versus, was it 15 year old Colin Urban? Yeah, another Colin. Those Colins are scrappy. Yep. So you're thinking like, sentimental favorite has to be Josh. You figure Colin's 15, he'll be in lots of these. I'm thinking if I get a final with two people, it sucks because if you lose, you're second. I've had plenty of final fours where you just tank and it's like, eh, give me my fourth, I'm happy to be here, give me the money, I'm good. But, uh, I don't know, I kind of played like garbage, and I was kind of, I didn't play particularly well the entire day. I played well for the group rounds, but, like, if you look back through the match play, it was like, third, third, third, third. I was playing like, I'll call it clutch enough to get by, and I sort of just did that the whole day. And I feel like, I don't know, in the final, like, I probably put up a third place score on Sea Witch, and Colin happened to have a fourth place score. I took a dump on Aerosmith, not that it mattered, because he killed it, and then I put up like a third place score on Robocop, and he just happened to play worse. Well, I've also, I've played better than that and not won, so I would gladly take, I'd rather be lucky than good, is that the saying? Or, Krusty the Clown, you weren't just good, you were good enough. There you go. I was good enough. That moment, I was good enough. So why did you pick Robocop? Really, because I was just pissed about it from Pinburgh. Ha, that's what I thought. Okay, alright, that's what I thought too. Like as soon as I saw, and, and And Daniele beat you on it too. In Zach's round, Zach almost deferred to me, and he was wondering what I was going to pick for the last game of our group. And I'm like, dude, I'm picking RoboCop the first time I have a chance to play it, because I'm just so angry. Still, it's just like, you know, the scab has been picked off. And he did not want to play that. So he picked Batman, and then by the time I had gotten through the first round, it was like, you know, Zach asked if I was going to pick RoboCop for my coming into the ladder game and it's like no I'm not going to do that I've had enough time you know practicing playing playing Batman in both group rounds and feeling pretty comfortable on it that I went that route but with the game I couldn't pick Batman for the last game because I had picked it in the ladder so with the games that I had left and like I don't know the rage meter on RoboCop still sort of like it was blinking at me it was I was worth going, at least if it's going to beat me again, I love fighting it. I did the same thing with F-14 when I won Louisville. I picked that as the final game because I was pissed about coming in second and then Papa on it so many years ago. And the thing is, that's the same RoboCop, correct? It's the exact same RoboCop, which is... And I actually, like, at RoboCop, before the Daniele match, when we hosted IFPA at Papa headquarters, like, I was killing that. I picked it every round that I had in the playoffs and then laid the egg to Daniele in the final. But the previous rounds before that, it was like 10 million, 12 million. It was just like, easy, easy stuff. So, uh, yeah, I don't know. It felt good to get revenge on that game a little bit. But I know that like the tilt, there's no, the debounce on that tilt on that RoboCop is you're dead. Like if you have a warning, you're dead. So as soon as Colin, you know, every ball was like, as soon as he nudged it even a little bit too hard and he hit the first warning, it's like, oh, that's done. And you just sort of wait. And it's like second warning. Yeah, just wait. It's coming. Tilt. And I remember that from from IFPA 13 in my matches against people where they would nudge. John P. Detysen, Allen Hehner, Cleojrj, Arnie Heyw 이야 Yefter, Barry Krenz, Richard Schmit,munJeff, The history behind that particular RoboCop and you needing to kick its ass to get vengeance, but it was clear that that was the least picked game available at that point probably, and Colin probably didn't even play it, and you could see that he didn't have a feel for the tilt settings, which were really tight. And it was dark, and that game was super fast. I think it was a good pressure setter. It was too dark for me. After I picked it, it's like, good. During practice, it's like they had shut the other games off, so it's just like, oh, God, this is freaking dark, and it's so fast. It's like I can't wait to have fumble grains off the center bank of targets coming right back at me. I mean, you're being humble, too, though, because you played killer throughout the day. I didn't see your first round, but round two on all the old games that Trent picked, you were super patient and made good decisions a bunch. You saw me at a good time, Gregory. But then, um, that last, that last ball on RoboCop, it was still a tight game, and you got that skill shot, immediately crushed the spinner on the tip of the flipper on the fly, made a save, crushed the spinner again, it was a good ball. That was, yeah, ball three, I was talking with Zach, and it was like, you know, you wait for the skill shot to come up, and it's like, please be on the right, please be on the right, if it's on the right, I think I got this. And then, you know, it blinks around and then pops up in the center and it's just like, God damn it, why? Why? Why would you do that to me right now? Like, just give a brother some love, please. And I told Zach I was just gonna go up and try to, like, thumb it as hard as I could just to see if I could get the ball, because, like, the natural path of the ball for that thing is right lane all day if you just, you know, full plunge and go. So, tried to put enough English on it to get it to go anywhere but the right. Figured, you know, if it goes to the left, at least I gave it a solid effort, but had a fortuitous bounce in the center. And you were in such control that third ball. Such control. Oh yeah, yes. Showing my accuracy skills, bricking shots everywhere. There's a kid jaywalking across the street in a Supreme hoodie. I love that. It's amazing the things you realize. Wow! Supreme! 14,000 by the way, if anyone's wondering. Is that what it is? That's, I believe, I read that somewhere. $14,000 for the Supreme pinball machine. I was actually closer than most people. People were saying 50 grand, I thought 10 was fair. Or maybe it was 40,000. Maybe I misread that. Damn it, where did I read that at? It probably was 40k. Someone's going to interrupt. Oh man, someone's got to correct me now. Now that I'm thinking about it, it might have been 40k. I think it was 40k. Sunshine legitimately asked me to try to get one and then I told Peter, I was like, dude, they're making 12 of those, I have no shot. No, no, that's just 40k- uh, no. That's terrible. Sorry. Although it's improved from the initial Spider-Man design, according to George Gomez. There are enhancements. There are enhancements to the game. It will play better than the pin version. It'll be the supreme. Hey, that pin version's really good. Have you played it or not? Yeah, yeah, I played that distributor. I remember going in there and I was so surprised at how much it did not suck. Yeah. Like, I was so impressed. Especially because it's so different from the other teams. Yep, yep. Very good. So, you have the belt? Well, you will have the belt, hopefully. I have the belt, yeah. Somewhere in Chicago there is a belt floating around. So, that wasn't the only tournament. The next day, well actually before we even get into that, there was an announcement made before the finals. Kick em! Kick em! Kick em! Is there a problem, Bruce? I haven't heard it. I haven't... how... I know when I saw Q, which was when I was going over to get some water, he was telling some girl in her young 20s that he can't possibly do another shot. All these girls just wanted to do a shot with him. And I just kind of felt bad for the guy. It was like... he was... he was, uh, I don't know, 14 drinks over his limit, probably, in real life. I heard great things about the reveal, but then I asked Zach, I'm like, have you listened to it yet? He's like, not yet. But I'm sure I'll listen to it today. Pinside loved it! I bet. Yeah. Don't we all need these kinds of problems, like a bunch of 20-year-old girls buying you a lot of shots? Hell yeah! Because of Pinside, Zach got fired today. It's too bad. God, I would just kill somebody then. Yes, they announced it. Well, one of the things that Pinside was pissed at is that there was no footage of the game. That's coming though. That's coming. Yeah, but to me, I believe Stern specifically said all they were going to do is announce the title. Of course. Keith has been doing that Facebook countdown. Come on, Pinside, get on your game. That's true. For those who are Facebook friends with Keith, he's been changing his profile picture daily. One day it was The Fifth Element. I love these. The next day it was the Star Trek episode with Four Lights. I have not picked up on that at all. So that's what that means. Great episode. There are four lights! Josh, you are old. Now I get it. Great episode. Jaws 3 in 3D, coming to a theater near you. And then, uh, my favorite, Double Impact, Jean-Claude Van Damme, and Jean-Claude Van Damme. All I did was thought that was like, oh yeah, that was a good movie, I liked that movie. And then I moved on. I did not think about that. Feel the impact. And then the final picture, appropriately, was from the, uh, the Sesame Street Pinball Number Count that everyone has heard at least once. If you fall for anything like that, we'll have a sans podcast called The Step generations of Jeff de Magn이에요 and I performed with you tutorials from theOSHI business. Notice that I love to write not to feel like I can do it, but just feeling like I can close the μέs The game is tomorrow. No comment. No comment. I have no comments of anything. Okay, excellent. But yes, the announcement of the game was made by some drunk dude. Pretty much, when I was watching it, some local celebrity or I guess local person who was obviously, and he was literally doing the I love you man thing with Jack Danger. That was very, very awkward. I feel like I've known you for years, man. Wow. Subtitles by the Amara.org community Legacy of the Beast. Yeah. I'm excited for some metal and pinball. Uh, I know someone who's excited. That would be Steve Keeler of Rock Fantasy. Oh man. I'm sure his LE has already been ordered. Wow. I don't know. I'm assuming. I was like, not legally. I don't think dealers are allowed to take any pre-orders. No, I'm sure he's been in touch with his distributor daily. Is it Iron Maiden? Is it Iron Maiden? Uh, when Tim got hired, that's all he asked Tim before he moved to Chicago. Is it Iron Maiden? Is it Iron Maiden? Is it Iron Maiden? He's like, I can't tell you. It's Iron Maiden, folks. It's, it's gonna be great. Can't wait for it. It's gonna be, it's gonna be great. It's gonna be great. I'm sure it is. It's gonna be great. And I'm, I'm guessing Stern Army locations will probably get it next month, right? Something like that. Something like that. That's good. Good on you, Greg. I probably need to send an email to get that timing straightened out. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna fall on our face with that again. I can't wait for the watch party. Messaging myself now. So, uh, Presidente, before we go into this other tournament, how has the IFPA been doing? Yeah, I hear you've been ruining pinball. Things are awesome. The bank account today just hit 20 grand. I just don't know what to do with myself anymore. I can't even, I've spent as much as I could and there's still just, it overflows. It overflows. Nice. It's good. I mean, it's interesting to see, like, there seems to, Ohio seems to be interested in making sure that they have the state with the most money, which I did not see that side effect happening. God, no way. The state building pools. But it's cool. And I think people are starting to realize, like, the everybody getting paid effect, if you make the final, like, it opens the door for so many people to have success. And I think people are starting to put that together, now that we're in like month whatever, three, four of the year, rather than just everything was conceptual, you know, all the conceptual bitching from last year. It's, uh, now that people are swallowing the food that I'm giving them, it's, uh, it's working out. It's working out better than I expected. We've certainly seen a little bit of shrinkage, but it's okay. Huh? I was in the pool. Oh. I was in the pool! I was in the pool! Is there a monetary difference that bumps the state up to that higher level difference? Is there a specific number? Well, what do you mean? Like, in terms of how much money they're bringing in? Right. Well, running more tournaments with more people. No, I meant like, is there a bonus for the states that are at the top? No. Just saying that you're at the top, I guess. I expected Seattle. You don't get anything from me. I'm not making a plaque. I'm not doing anything like that. Maybe I'll make a plaque. There you go. Hold on, sending myself a note. Nice. I had a question for Josh before we move on to Heads Up because they asked it on the stream and I think it's a good question. And Bowen inferred that maybe the circuit win is possibly your greatest achievement, but he even said that would be up to Josh to say. And I don't know, all those number twos in the world championships, it's tough to pick one, right? How do you feel? It's weird, right? I was actually talking with Zach about it yesterday during Heads Up, and it's probably my, like, biggest public win. I feel like privately, it's weird because the circuit final is like one day it's sort of quick, like, so I don't know, like the volatility of how it goes down, it just kind of happens really fast versus when you have like a Papa weekend or an IPA weekend or whatever, it's like three days of madness, I mean, it's a grind, whereas like I wasn't exhausted at the end of Saturday night, I played like whatever, ten games of pinball. So, like for me, before, long before many people were into competitive pinball, like May Day 2005, which was a tournament that Fred Richardson ran in Minnesota, like all of the good players came out and I won that and Zach finished second and that was like holy crap. I cannot believe I won this tournament with, you know, Elwin, Lyman, Paul Madison, all these people that were the best of the best that were there. St chess N Out Pinball Next Chrome and 5 like the actual majors or maybe like even 1 just because even though the winner gets 60 points the 40 event the curve ends up making it very hard to get value out of it Nah, I mean, we'll see. Like, we actually have some things in the works for, I mean, the terms that we're throwing around with, like, the country directors and stuff. It's, quote, minor majors. Ooh. So, we're, I mean, there's talks about, you know, where the country championship series stuff should fall and where the state stuff should fall. So, you know, we have the rest of the year to figure that out for next year. I don't know where the circuit's going to fall on that, but it's certainly, you know, we talk about this stuff a lot. I know many people feel like we just sort of fire off and make changes and roll. The dialogue is kind of continuous, so it's definitely on the table. And I know that Shepard right now, like the way it functionally works is we either click that a tournament is a major or not, John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Knapp Arcade, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, Bally Williams, We're never bound to kind of shake up all of the things, so that's just kind of kind of it, Quintana. Me and Louis wanting to fill in this space, not all friends, cells andすご away 80-200ym, but more Iris want to do it Lauvado. You want to check your second term or disappointment, right now, that means, but I'm very worried just about that I won't be able to talk about that. I heard a lot about that, The Country Directors. You know, like playing in circuit tournaments, it's challenging to qualify in the first place, but you know, top players tend to make it into the top 24 and you get, you know, 15 to 20 points usually just for making it past the first round. Whereas the circuit final, it's probably the fifth or sixth hardest tournament of the year and you're only getting value out of third place or better, really. I mean, but nonetheless, it's still one of the biggest accomplishments you're gonna have if you make it that far. Yeah, and the argument that we get in our forum debate about percentage increases is that, like, that drop isn't going to change, right? So when you have 40 players, the drop is still going to be significant. So it's like, when you take someone getting 10, and it's like, let's boost it by 25%. Congratulations, you just got 12.5. Right. You know, you're artificially increasing it 2.5 points. So at the end of the day, it's like, did that really mean anything? Or no? Like, the drop between players is just so harsh that no percentage increase is really going to overcome that limited player type events. But I digress. Yeah, no one wants to talk about tournaments. I know. I don't know, whatever Josh talks, I'm transfixed. I don't even know what he's saying, it just sounds interesting. Yeah, I know. Ron's so interested in lowering his ranking so he can play in D division in Pinburgh. I don't understand what he's saying, I just love it. Like, it sounds smart. That's what I'm going for. Not actually smart. Just sadly like we know what we're doing. So the... where did you finish, Greg? I finished 10th place. I lost in the first game of the ladder, but it was a relatively close game. I involved Grabowski coming back on ball three and ripping like three spinners on Meteor, including a very controlled tap pass to lock it up. Tap pass in a ridiculous save right at the beginning of the ball. He got houseballed twice and I got houseballed once sort of so it was pretty even even pairing there and Zach Wallens had a really good ball too. It was a good game. I don't feel bad losing to strong play after performing above my expectation throughout the day. So congratulations to all all competitors. Congratulations to everyone in the top ten. You're all better than Jeff Teolis. I will say though, Jeff played well, and I was happy he made it in. Oh yeah, we're all happy for Jeff. Pinball profile on Stitcher and Google Play or whatever, I gotta get that down. Josh, thank God you won, buddy, because we didn't need to give Jeff any more ammunition. It was getting played out. Did you show the belt to him? Did you stick it in his face and then give him the Robert I know you're getting a buyer suck it sign. Zach only let me hold the belt for so long. He's like, give me my belt back. But you did lick the belt on camera. I did. Wow. Then I started thinking, I wonder where that, I don't know what Zach does with that thing. And so then I just started freaking myself out. It's like, I don't know what him and Chris will do at home with that. Cool. Oh my. Oh my. I got this belt weighed me down. On to Sunday. Sunday was the Heads Up Challenge. Championship, Ron. Edit, edit. Edit? Heads Up Championship, not the Heads Up Challenge. Oh, I'm sorry. Alright. Then Sunday... I did? Oh, come on! Now I gotta leave it in, because it's funny. The Heads Up Championship! Go, keep going. The Heads Up Championship was Sunday. You may not know. You describe how it works. That's great. You describe how it works. I'll feel like that people understand it well, because I know how it works. I hope that I know how it works since you let me official, like, four matches. That's right. That's right. Thank you by the way. Thank you. I love the opportunity. So, you get a game selected at random. And the first match up was by seed, which was IFPA rankings. So there was like 53 of us going from Zach all the way down to the bottom seed and there was a couple buys. It was head to head double elimination bracket. So second loss and you're out. The loser's bracket is twice as long as the winner's bracket so obviously the longer you stay undefeated the better your chances are of making it deep into the tournament. A game gets randomized. It was Aerosmith, Guardians, and Batman 66. Each game had four possible objectives. One was two minute drill for all of them, which is you play for two minutes. Whoever has the most points after they say hands off and the bonus counts down wins. Then the other games all had three unique objectives. For Guardians it was group multiball, orb multiball, or a X, which is a multiplier on a specific shot decided by the higher seed. The Aerosmith was specific toy box multiball and you get to pick the number, a two minute drill, pick an X on a specific shot. And I can't... Oh, and elevator multiball, which was on a pro, which is a tight thing to get going. They're both Lonnie games, so they have the same challenges, because they're the same game. Go on, Brian. But the hard one on each game was the multiplier, because people were being evil and picking the hardest shot in the game a lot of the time. So, like, for Aerosmith, you saw Bowen and Eric Stone and people that felt good about their accuracy saying, And you know what, we're gonna go left orbit, which is a bitch because you have to light it by shooting the nine yellow stand-ups. And a lot of the times you hit the last one and guess what, which is what happened to me, it ricochets into the frickin' toy box. And you have to start over. Um, Batman 66 was probably the more fun game to play. You do the two minute drill or start villain multiball, which is just the standard right lock three times. You could do capture a specific villain, which is defeating the mode by collecting a super, or my favorite one, which was the Bat Turn Challenge, which was once you start a mode, that center thing rotates to expose the Toton-like disc. You have to spin it, I think it's ten times, and it only gives you one per shot, no matter how much it rips. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. And, um, yeah, I feel like... I don't know if you mentioned it, but, like, the other part is that the games are being played simultaneously for those... Oh, yeah. So there's two examples of every game. So you're not playing serially like you do in every other pinball tournament in the world. You are playing in parallel against your opponent. And you can see your opponent right next to you. I was joking with Adam Lefkoff. Everyone under the age of 21 playing in this tournament spent more time looking at their opponent's playfield than their own. Like watching Escher play, it's like, you know, head turn, head turn, head turn, head turn, head turn. And it's like he was tracking both games at the same time the entire way through. I didn't do that at all. I did not do that at all either. I just figure I've got my best chance to win, just go as fast as you can, whatever they're doing is what they're doing. They're either going to get you or they're not. That's kind of how I rolled. But man, these kids and their multitasking skills, got to give it up to them. And where were the games? I saw, like, the finals were sort of streamed, i.e. Steven Bowden's cell phone. Man, yeah. Yeah. That poor guy. I don't know how he... I've tried to hold up my arm for, like, I don't know, two minutes in one sitting? Like, at some point... I've seen Survivor Challenges that, like, holding up your arm for hours is really frickin' hard. Where were the games at, like, in the building? Because, like, when I was watching them, it seemed like there was no one else around where these games were. No, so it was in the same area that the circuit final was, except we sort of moved the games up so the Papa guys were breaking down behind where our action was happening. So at some point, when they were done breaking down, there was literally just nothing behind those games. But there was space behind those games, so it just sort of looked weird. It was like empty space because there were no longer ten games behind those games. And it looks like it was a sharp sweep for the weekend. Yeah, how about that? One-time advantage. How about that? Keeping it in the family. So Zach, Zach was in the winner's bracket. Oh yeah, he got knocked into the loser's bracket by Bowen. He did. And then he had the deal where he had to be Bowen twice, which he did. Correct. And we got to see a Papa rule enforced that I've never seen enforced before. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. www.EX fell co The first Pinburgh at Replay FX, they put a rule in that if you like slide the game enough where it falls out, like the rubber foot falls off, then that's automatic DQ. And that is unfortunately how it ended. So I didn't see it. Did he like really move it? He gave it a good shot, but he called it on himself. Because he looked down like, oh the foot's off. I lose, right? Right. He's like, this is over. And it's like, you can tell me, Bowen, three months from now, if I call you over for a ruling in a Pinbird group, what are you going to tell me? Oh, speaking of rulings, we had a fun ruling in one of our games. An interesting situation. Is this the Lefkoff turning the power off in the game? No, no, you and I were playing our first game of the second round on Meteor. Trent had a quick ball. I walked up. I was making something out of it. Oh, yeah, it was on Galaxy. Oh, Galaxy, sorry, yeah. And we look over, and I was player two, and player three, which is Josh, I gave Josh 30,000 points somehow. So nobody saw what the hell happened, but I watched the replay, and as we suspected, the trough switch triggered while the ball was in play, and then player three was going. And then we kind of had to have, like, I wasn't really part of the meeting of the minds, I was just huddled in, but it was like a football huddle on the floor. Josh, Mark, Doug. It was awesome. It was a good one. For like eight minutes, what the hell were we supposed to do here? Did it clear your bonus? It cleared my bonus and your bonus. No, but I mean like in order to advance to my player spot, it was an end of ball. Yeah, it was definitely a legit major malfunction, but Bowen was on the mic and his first instinct was we both had major malfunctions, we both keep our points, and we both play three balls, but they ended up making a ruling that also made sense, Which they, Mark and Josh, were saying they're going to have to add to the rules some scenario. Yes. Like Bowen's analysis was totally right. And I'd say it was the right ruling for every situation where it wasn't ball one. Right? That's sort of what we were talking about was we actually have a chance here to get it right because you did play your ball out. I did drain and I did score all of those points. So I can respect Mark for allowing that to happen in that particular situation for Ball One, but there's no way you could have done it in any other situation. And what Bowen said would have had to have been the way that it was ruled. Right. Now the question is, are you going to change the rules for Ball One scenarios, or are you just going to keep it as is? Yeah, we'll have a post-mortem on that. There's a couple of rules changes that popped up during the circuit final. We always, the email thread between me, Zach, you know, Doug and Mark after every significant event, it's always nice to be like, hey, this rule that we think, the rule book that covers everything doesn't cover everything. Imagine that, we found something. Yeah, that's the fun part. Found a couple things. Found a couple things. Hey Bruce, are you there? I'm here just listening along. No, you know yawns yet. I've been yawning a lot. It's early now. I know I'm the kid here, but I'm exhausted right now. This whole weekend wore me out. I flew right to New York City to go to work at like 5 in the morning. Thank God I woke up for that. Oh wait. Oh wait. Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh, you ain't nothing compared to what Bruce did. Nothing compared. Well, hey, I'll segue into this. I'll segue into this. You ready, Bruce? Yep. Me and Bruce, we could have the ultimate heads up slam tilt challenge. Because we have so many duplicates. Oh my goodness guys. And we have really interesting duplicates. Not just things like, what Bruce, we both have Dirty Harry, Getaway, ACDC, Metallica. Yes, yes. Yes, yes. But we also have things like Nineball, Dragon Fist, only 300 of those, Stars. You guys, this has to happen. Uh, Big Game, Stargazer. Now I will say, do you guys like the luxury, I posted about it on Tiltform, so like a luxury for us was that all the games are new in box, so they really played similar. Yeah, that's... Good luck with finding two stars that play very similar. Ours actually do. I will say, Biden and Ron's play... They play similar, the Dragon just doesn't. I was gonna give you guys credit for how similar the games played on Sunday. I was really impressed with how it felt really balanced, but other than it being new in box, there is a part of the rules that we didn't talk about that kind of fixes, is the fact that the higher seed doesn't need to pick the objective. They can pick which game they want to play, and the loser can switch it up. So even if there was an imbalance, there's a certain like equalizer factor. But you know what you hate when it's like when you play like a linked fast break and it's like, oh my god, the player on the right won. Oh my god, the player on the right won. Oh my god, then at some point if the imbalance is that big, then it's like whoever's picking the correct machine wins the tournament falls. Right. Yeah, it's kind of like at the Texas Pinball Festival where Ryan C said, he was playing, we were playing joust. The Like my side isn't isn't right. This isn't working. Okay, let's let's switch. They need lost again so So where was I a spider-man Yes, spider-man black. Yes, Spider-man limited edition, but now there's gonna be another one that we could also have Which leads into your story? Yes, so go for it Bruce a week ago. We got a message from one of them We don't even know who we got the message from. Yeah, I have no idea I have no idea who this was. It was sent to me in an auction in Arkansas for a half a cheetah. The body with the playfield. And the bid was $20. And the auction ended last Thursday. I won the machine for $23.10. Oh my god. The way to get better, I had to pick it up by the end of today, which is Monday. Oh no! So, Friday night, Kathy comes to the bar, she looks at me and she goes, what are you doing? I'm like, well I'm getting ready for tomorrow. She goes, just leave now. Go! So I jumped in the car, left around 7.30 from Rochester, New York, drove to about Kentucky, right outside of Jim Beam, I stayed at... Oh my god, this is so not worth it. Wait, wait, it's better. Stayed there, slept in the car for two hours, woke up around 6, got back, you know, got going again, got to Arkansas! Welcome to Arkansas! Two o'clock in the afternoon. Get there, and I'm gonna post pictures. It's actually like one of these places that the American James Piekarz tried to get stuff out of. And the guy finally passed away and his son took it over and is selling everything. I go in there and I'm like, uh, here, I'm here, pick up lot 285, which is the cheetah. She looks at me and she goes, weeeeeee, oh, you're from New York? Yeah, that's me. Okay, well here's your machine, it's in the corner. It was exactly where it was in the picture. I try to grab the machine. It's nailed to the wall. He's like, hold on, let me go get a crowbar. Oh my god. How long had it been nailed to the wall, Bruce? 25 years. Holy crap. What the hell is the logic on nailing a cabinet to the wall? She nailed everything to the wall. So when you see the pictures from this place... Like an anti-theft mechanism? That's the mechanism? I guess so. But I'm going to actually post the picture on a link of Google Maps where you can actually see the street view. There's actually a Jeep on the roof with a cock on it. And that's a... You said cock. Hi-yo! Hi-yo! So I get done about 2.45, got the game in the car, we shook hands or anything like that, I drove till 2 in the morning to Cincinnati. Stopped in the car for two hours and then drove all the way home. Oh, my God. They're mad. Wait, then I went to work at the bar all night. He's hardcore. That's hardcore. Like, now you guys offered me that same deal and you get paid $1,000. I'd be a hard pass. Okay, now hold on now, Zach. I got Josh. Here's the point. Oh, man. Oh, dollar to the. I have a head and a backglass for a cheetah already. So now I'll be able to put it all together. Like the Frankenstein cheetah? Yup, the Frankenstein cheetah. 400 serial numbers off between the head and the body. So folks, the only thing he needs is an insert panel. So if anyone out there happens to have an insert panel for a cheetah, Please let us know, otherwise you will have to use mine as a stencil. Bruce, there's one on Craigslist in Alaska for $11, but you have to go to Alaska. I'll go to Alaska. In Alaska for $11. Jesus. My words are then, fuck you. You can't fly there. I can fly there. I just have to drive back with it. But I can rent a really fast sports car there. Like, it wasn't worth, like, just getting somebody to ship it for you? I tried. I asked people on the inside. I tried everything. The problem was, to get it shipped, it had to be out of that building by Monday. So I didn't know if I'd be able to get somebody before Monday. And then all I asked on Pinside, if I could do it next week, I could do it the week after. I needed it out of there. So I just took one on the chin. Oh my. Oh my. And drove 16 hours one way, 17 hours the other way. I'm sure you caught up on all your favorite friends. All my podcasts. Yep, I caught up on all my podcasts. We're going to have a little bit of a podcast. Luckily I have XM, that's another great thing. So if we were nicer to people on Pinside, they might have helped us more. Yeah. Actually a lot of people said I would love to do this, and they all said I love the show too. So we have a lot of listeners out there. But whoever sent us the link, please tell me, because we might be able to tell from that. I want to thank you personally. Yes. And there is a reply to on the email. The Winning Pinball Show, Knapp Arcade, Ballywin, Straight Down the Middle, Ballywin, I'm Ron, because it seems like we can get anything we want now. Jesus Christ. I want a kingpin. Oh, stop. You can buy that. I didn't get to play it at, um, I didn't get to play it in Texas, but people were saying it was cool. The repro. Here you go, here you go. I want a Cyclops. And I want a Gamitron. Josh has been on record saying that's his favorite game before. Exactly. That's why I said it. We're on three out of four hundred. Nice. Ron wants a Cyclops, so we're good. I just said Cyclops. Actually, I like the game. You can take an Alien Star, too. Oh, I'd take an Alien Star. I'm looking for a Grand Prix, if anybody out there listening wants to sell me a Grand Prix. I bought a Faces over the weekend. A Faces? Cool. I think I spent less money than I spent playing an Expo qualifying on it in 2014, when it was just the devil. The Devil. Speaking of Expo, do you know where the tournament's going to be? Is it going to be at the show formerly known as Expo or as the new Pinball Expo? Which we didn't mention, I think, last week. Rob Burke actually did change the name. It is not going to be Pinballpalooza, thank God. It is going to be the Pinball Expo. But it's going to be in September. It's my understanding that there's going to be tournaments at both from Trent. I think Steve Bowne is going to support both, but that the Stern Circuit tournament is going to be at the Westin in October at the published dates for when Expo was happening, aka the Paysack Show. Which also coincides with the Power 100. Yeah, I'm going to have to change my website. All my documentation is still accurate. So, I think Steve Bowne is going to have to change the term Expo Glare. Right, it's going to be Paysack Glare? Paysack Glare, I don't know. Something Glare. Can we just do a GoFundMe and frickin' cover those windows up with something? Can't be that hard. Uh, the, that's a hotel call. It's part of the charm. That's a hotel call also. Because there are shades on them. If you look, there's shades on them. They're never down. They're on there. Next time you're there, look up. They're on the top. They just don't put them down. That's gotta be a hotel thing. By the way, the Supreme game is 40k. 40k. That's crazy. But it's good for pinball because the attention that was brought to Supreme having a pinball machine was probably equal to that of Pinburgh. So that was this weekend. Anything else we want to talk about this weekend? There was an Ohio show that Andy Rosa Jr. won both the main and the classics with nobody else there. Yes, he did. He crushed. Good for him. Congratulations. You know, these young kids crushing pinball, making me feel mid-aged in the hobby. It's kind of weird. I can't have any sympathy there. Me neither. Me neither, Greg. Come on, Greg. Let's go to the 24-hour, man. Oh man, I love that tournament. I was so used to breaking night for college that that tournament phases me. Oh, that sounds like, sounds terrible. Oh, it's great. Never. Yeah, Josh told me he'd never do it. Never. Seventh, baby. Seventh. Yes! Oh, Ron Hallett did great. Oh yeah. It's my place. And Tom Stockton, too. It's the sanctum. I love the sanctum. I play good at the sanctum, because all their games are old. It just fits me. This is me. So, oh good lord, I'm looking at this week in pinball. Hi Jeff. Hi Jeff. And they have all kinds of stuff they're saying about Iron Maiden. Who knows if it's true? Well, we know that Iron Maiden will be the next title. That we do know. We do. We know that Keith Elwin is the designer. It says Zombietti is the artist, so I'm assuming that's right. And now here's the part I don't understand because this goes against what I saw The Law at TPF at Lyman Sheets is on code. Now number one Keith Elwin said he was doing the rule set Number two at TPF they showed a picture of the team for Titanium Man which is what they were calling it at the time and they showed the guy I can remember his name I apologize to him and his family but they said he was the head of software for the game and it was not Lyman it was someone I actually hadn heard of before Just throwing that out there, no one's mentioned that, but it was- I don't think it's Lyman. Yeah, I don't, I don't, he's too busy doing Batman and other games. I'm just gonna sit here quietly. Yeah, Josh, because Josh knows everything. You can call us back tomorrow, Josh. Yeah, sure. I'll text all three of you right now. It may be based on the layout from Archer. Did you know that? That's another one that I don't think is the case, but I don't know. But I doubt it. And they're saying, this week in pinball now, they're saying, and of course when this airs we'll know if this is true or not, the reveal will happen tomorrow, Tuesday, at around 10 Not sure which time zone. Okay, so they must have heard it. Guessing Central. The reveal will be from Rolling Stone. The goal is for Dead Flip to stream the machine tomorrow afternoon, subject to last-second licensor approval. That sounds legit. Licensor approvals. Yeah. The hardest thing in show business. You ain't kidding. If you're wondering why you haven't got your Star Wars topper yet, blame Lucasfilm slash Disney. It's nuts, man. It's nuts. Josh, what are you doing tomorrow night? Happyquet Abund Bedtime. And that was all going on. Zach and I were both fighting very strongly for them to bring Tim on. And I just, knowing how Stern moves and everything, I didn't expect it to actually work out for Tim. Just the same way that, I mean, they were trying to bring Zach on for a year, four years, five years. And, like, for it to, I told Tim, I'm like, dude, if this ever works out and you move your ass to Chicago, I'm like, you know, dinner is on me, nice steak, like my favorite steakhouse in the city. It's the suburb version of it, but it's the nicest steakhouse that I love going to. Zach and I are going to take him out tomorrow night. Oh, that's awesome. Come on. Come on. Tommy. Tommy Soxton. Tommy Soxton? Elvin called him that too. Is that your name for him? Is he Tommy Soxton? Subtitles by the Amara.org community I don't think so. Yeah, 500, 500, uh, released. I heard they're gone. They're all gone. Yeah, they're all gone. They're all gone. I did not hear that. Okay. I haven't heard anything. You know, I will say that- Pending, pending license or approval, they're all gone. Did you know, according to Pinside, Stern did that announcement this weekend to cut into the Alice Cooper sales? Did you know that? Ah, clearly did. Because Stern is concerned about this game. Yes. Yes. The stuff that people believe- Stern's concerned about it, but no other pinball manufacturer is concerned about it. It's fine for everyone else, but Stern. Yeah. This is funny. I love it. I just love it. While it's, like, you know, while it's obvious that the other companies aren't really putting any real pressure on Stern, I will say that I didn't have any expectations for Alice Cooper, but it's looked pretty fun at Texas. I enjoyed playing it for what it was. Yep. Yep. I want to, I'd love to see how the final software package, how it comes out.결코 AndaRZИ҉т be Dur Korean zılaumin Subtitling by To me, it feels fine. It's slightly different. I don't have any accuracy issues. I mean, what's nice is you can dial the flippers in to get the feel as close and as nice as you want. So, on location, you may run into stuff, you know, weirdness, but I mean, my game is dialed now and feels fantastic. I do like the one that I played. I think it's... I'm just glad to have more Attack from Mars around. It's like my favorite game. And every game they ship has flopped flippers slightly. So if you don't take the time to adjust them, which you're most likely not doing if you're a collector that doesn't care about how a game plays and it's, you know, just your museum piece or if you're finding one on location. Why don't they have... Like, it does feel... Why do they do that? Why is it not like they're not following the alignment pins or the alignment hole's not even in the game? You got me, man. You got me. Whatever line worker that day, or whoever, as soon as they teach a guy, they have to, you know, they have to fire a guy or he leaves, he quits. New flipper alignment guy comes in... Well, at least, Williams made it weird. They put it, like, under the flipper. So then you question, like, am I supposed to align this with the rubber on, with the rubber off? What am I supposed to do? As opposed to the ones that will put it at the end of the flipper. So you just put it right in the center, like, okay, I get that. You know The Beatles is coming out. Did you know that? Really? Yeah. Did you know that? Is that official? Stern has a license. I mean, it has to be the next Kapow game. That's my theory. But, Josh will stay silent. I will stay silent. Mm-hmm. I love the rumor mill. I always think it's funny. The rumor mill is awesome. I don't get involved in the rumor mill. I just like to show up and play and run stuff. But I always think it's funny how people are so confident they know everything in advance. I'm sorry, Ron. I don't have any confidence in your rumor mill. They got the license. Unless, unless of course, Barry Osler could have been lying during a seminar at TPF. That's very possible. Oh, it was announced at the seminar. That'd be, that'd be a pretty awesome, man, if you were looking to set something up, is, and to get the heat off of you, is you make it sound like you went after it, and you can just, and Stern's the easiest company to claim that, oh man, so right from the start. What do you say, Josh? And then what's Stern gonna say? Like there's nothing they can say. And then boom! Barry comes out with a Beatles game. How about that? That would be crazy, right? Deeprooting the Beatles. I'm looking at my Beatles poster up on the wall right now. Everybody loves the Beatles. That'd be seventh level marketing. Oh yeah. Jeff Keelis was wearing the Hello My Name is Ringo sticker on his shirt because he felt like he was the fourth man in the group that had no value. Do you know who the richest drummer in the world is? Ringo Starr. Exactly. I will be Ringo any day of the week. Yeah. Eight days a week. Eight days a week. Yeah. He came up with that title, by the way. Just to throw some trivia there for you. Hey, I have a favor. I have a favor. Okay. I'm calling it a favor. I have ten minutes. Mm-hmm. Are you guys going to do your compare, contrast, whatever, what the hell is it called? Compare, Compass, Jesus and Spider-Man or something? Where you guys, you debate, you sell me on your games that are coming out from whatever year. Are we doing that, Bruce? I don't think Josh wants to do it. If Josh wants to do it... I kinda wanna hear pitches before I go... Okay. We gotta figure out a year. Give us a year. Give us a year, Josh. What do you wanna hear us go on? I was born... have you done 79? I was born in 79. We have done 79, but we're still... We've done 79, that was Elwin's episode. Yes. Yeah, good year. Do... Do some year in the 70s that you haven't done. We haven't done. Some year in the 70s that we haven't done. 77. Okay. All right. And I have a rig on from what I emailed you about. We are in 1977. So you are selling me this game based on, you are the sales rep for the company that you're repping. Okay. You have the history of the games before that. Okay. But I have no idea if what you're selling me is actually a good game or not. Okay. You know, like, I will as a player, but I want to be sold. Okay. Alright. On the better game. So, I won last time, Ron, so you'll get the first pick of the, of the, you'll either take or pass. You ready? I'm ready. I'm randomizing. Bally, 1977. Pass. Passing. So you now take Gottlieb. Oh, Gottlieb. I thought we were doing Williams and, uh, Bally. I thought we said 77. No, Josh said, Josh said Williams, Bally. Yeah. Yeah, but I, okay. So you'll take Williams? I'll take Williams. I'll take Ballot. Alright. You go first. Let's do this. I'm very excited about this, guys, by the way. Yeah, I know. You seem to do a lot of thought. You put a lot of thought on it. I like this. You have a ton of selection here. I did. Well, I just hate, like, I feel bad for Ron and Bruce when you're arguing a point on a game that it's like, it's the person who's deciding is just picking the better game. It's sort of like, it sucks. I'm ready. 1977 we are, right? Yep. Okay, Josh, I have the ultimate game for you. Very excited about this. I hear Solid State might be in. Solid State is in, and now we have the best TV show ever on TV, Happy Days. And what we're gonna have on our pinball machine? We're gonna have the Fonz. Who would not buy this game? Pending license or approval? No, we don't care about licensing. We're Bally. We just buy and go. But this is the ultimate game, and it's going to be based off pool. So we're going to keep our old, real-time players who love pool-themed games, but with Fonzie and Pinky Tuscadero on the back, with solid-state reliability, with scoring that's saved, high scores that are saved, no more writing on the side of the backbox anymore, on the glass. You're going to actually be able to see your score on a six-digit digital display. And reliability, it's going to blow your mind away with reliability with this machine. I'm going to give you eight balls. I yield the four. You yield the four? Okay. I'm going to give you... I'm going to get my checkbook out. Hold on. Before you get that checkbook out, you need to look at this game. This is already a proven winner as an EM, and we're upgrading it to full electronic The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. No rebuttals, go. Okay. Okay, I have a rebuttal. Yeah, go for it. I've contacted ABC and you have not secured the license for happy days. So... We'll take the lawyer hit, we're good. Okay. So, I'm operating games and hot tip to me feels like a lot of the games that I already All of these are on-route, and 8Ball, the Happy Days is a good selling feature if I'm looking to put a game on-route. Poolball theme has been good to me for the last 10, 15 years on-route. I think I gotta give this one to 8Ball. I gotta give this one to 8Ball. Boooo! Okay. 1-0 Bruce. You know what? You know what Bruce? I think you're going to have good luck selling a few of those for this one. Oh yeah, I think so. I'm very excited about it. I think you're going to be okay. I think so. Oh, why? What, you got another movie one in here? Oh, no, no, no. No, even better. Oh, God, yeah. I probably should have taken Bally. Yeah, you should have. Looks like I'm going to fail. Josh is going to prove that licenses sell, obviously. Yes. Okay. Go ahead. Your turn, sir. I give you Argo C. Arg. Arg. Argo C. Now, this is, what is this? This is an EM or solid state? Yeah, it's an EM. It's an electric mechanical. It's an electric mechanical. Yeah. It's an electric mechanical. Yeah. It's an electric mechanical. Yeah. It's an electric mechanical. Yeah. BioWare Medical logo DB Attacions Anchor favoritism The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. Okay, I have now another winner for you, sir. We now have one of the most famous people in the world on our pinball machine. We're going Evel Knievel. We're going Evel Knievel, baby. Evel Knievel is the hottest thing right now. This week in pinball1977.com leaked that an Evel Knievel game might be coming. As a distributor and an operator, I've been very excited about this coming. It is coming. We're going to have the reliability of this solid state, no EM crap anymore, no coils and burning up stuff. We're going to... it's all new fangled, great stuff. You always want to go newer is better and with a hot ticket and a hot theme of Evel Knievel, you're going to run away. You're going to need a motorcycle sidecar for all the money you're going to grab doing collections. I give you Evel Knievel. They know. Do not buy Evel Knievel. That was in 1978, since it's 1977. We don't give a shit about that. It actually hasn't even happened yet. Exactly, I'm nullifying that from the book. Exactly, never heard that. Touché. Did you look that up, Rusi, did you just pull that out of your ass to say it was in 78? No, it looks up right now. I have Evel Knievel actually on my Wikipedia. Okay. No, wait, wait. Evel Knievel gets six months for assault, 1977, November 15th. When did the game come out? 77 earlier. It came out at the start. This is it. This is the banana flipper episode. Oh, this is your chance to avoid the controversy. I mean, Evel's going to win either way, but if he can prove to me that he got a run before the game started chipping. June 6th. Project date was July 6th, 1976. Date of manufacture, June 1977. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Mr. Blam owns, AKA Cubs, Suite院 dancing and dancing on Signature, Monty Brown on Woodstock Island, del Sol on bureauidos, John Babik on the We have another hot topic that is on. Everyone's using them. It's the newest thing. It's called a CB radio. CB radios rock. You can get traffic reports. You can find out where the smokies are. And we're going to bait the pinball machine off that with Night Rider. We're a truck driver on the CB radio and just getting all the things fun about truck driving. Because truck driving keeps America moving. And CB radio is our way to go and you're going to have so many people go, wow, what a funny great theme. And look, there's even a hot chick on it. I think this is Bruce's version of, hey man, I just sold you a dozen of each of these awesome games. I need you to take, I need you to take 8 Night Riders, please. I gotta make my numbers for September. You got it, yep. But it's no EM. It's solid state, so good reliability. And guess what? If the game ain't that great, you can still take the boards out of it. And you can still make money off of it. The boards that no one knows how to service yet, Bruce. Exactly. No, no, no, no. You want electromechanical technology. Reliable electromechanical technology. You want Williams big deal. Because everyone loves card themes. Cart games are proven winners over time. That you cannot deny. We've already received over 3,000 pre-orders for this game. Big deal. It's an incredible game. It's got to drop targets. It's got a cool little U-turn on the right side. It's got lanes with cards on them. It's got passable art. It's great. It's great. With proven electromechanical technology from a great manufacturer, Williams. Did you know that Roger Sharp worked for Williams? You know it's a great company. It's Roger Sharp work there. I give you. Big deal. In 11 years, he'll start working there full time. We've interviewed him. We think he's good. We're going to hire him. In 11 years. I think I would give this one to Ron if I was buying between those two. I think Knight Rider is just kind of... it's like Evel Knievel but just worse in every way. Just whether it's art, it's just drab, like I don't know, it wouldn't excite me nearly as much as like a proven card themed game. Which, card themed games work, pool themed games work, especially in that era, for sure. They do. They totally do. But guess what? Yes! I win. Ah, whatever. 2-1. Whatever. Spike the ball. 2-1. Spike the ball. Do the dance. You won due to licensing. Yeah, you won on the back of Sons and Evil Knievel, the guy that beat up a guy with a baseball bat. Yeah, the son of the guy that was in charge of licensing at Williams. Exactly. So, and this is the best thing since sliced bread. Hey, you gotta know who you're selling to. Yeah, I should have picked Bally. Yeah, you went against the cardinal rule. I failed again. Never go against Bally. I appreciate you guys humoring me with that. Yeah, that was good actually. That was very good. Alright, I'm checking out. Yeah, okay. Greg, Greg take it home for me. Thank you, Greg. I'll take care of it, buddy. Congrats again, Josh. Hope you get your belt! Thank you. I'll take a picture of the belt and like Mr. Potato Head all over Chicago with different people finding it. That'd be sweet. Alright, later boys. See you later. Later. That was Josh Sharpe. Thank you, Josh. That was a good twist on that game. This is like, I can't disconnect from Skype. Oh man, it's a good thing we didn't start talking shit. How to disconnect from Skype. You can just hang up. Turn your phone off. Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do. Swipe it. Alright, later. Good night, sir. Hold on, I gotta make sure he drops before we start talking shit about him. Yeah, got it. Let's see. I was personally wondering if this episode was Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster, Am I Godzilla or is Josh the sea monster? How does that work? Well, the sea monster's a crab, so... Oh, you wanna be Godzilla. Yeah. You don't wanna be crabs. Crabs are bad. Oh, it still says he's bad. Come on, I'm gonna drop his ass. Goodbye. You were the weakest link. Goodbye. Back to this week in pinball, did you know that Thunderbirds had a production update? No. No? Don't even know what that is. Exactly. Alright, uh, I think that's about it. Oh, oh, oh, oh, Thunderbird, the one that was like not going to get released to the United States for the Christmas project. Yes, yes. Okay, see, I did have some nerd memory in the back of my mind. Ah. Mmm. I want to talk about how Ryan C. of the Head to Head Pinball Podcast joined us at Sunshine this week. Oh, that's right, that's right. Okay, well, before we go there, one more little bit. Total Nuclear Annihilation, Scott Danesi did put the partner-like co-op mode in there. That's super cool. So instead of, you know, all four players trying to get nine reactors, you could do players one and three against players two and four. And all things considered, that's awesome because it's so hard to get to reactor nine by yourself, but reasonable to do so with a partner. Yes. So that is that news. Now you were saying Ryan C. He was in New York City, wasn't he? Yeah. And before we go there, I just wanted to say I enjoy TNA so much playing in Texas. And I was lucky enough to come away with a signed translate, so I'm stoked about that. And Scott Danesi and that whole crew is really, really awesome people. So you guys are probably getting one somewhere in New York City. Yeah, we got one. Yeah, it's on the way. Of course you do. So yeah, Ryan C is a great guy. He came through to one of my, to one of the matches at the, in the Bar League prior to that. He came through to Pioneer's Bar. We got some dinner, got some ramen, and then hung out a little bit in Manhattan. And then even though there was a snowstorm that day, he, uh, probably his first snowstorm ever possibly. It was. He made it out to Sunshine for League, and it was a good time. He was, um, he played with me in the second group in the second to last round. I took first, he took second. And then he was still in group two in the final round, which gave him a shot The money but he felt just short against a really good player in Adam on our World Cup soccer one of our regulars that's a total crusher and uh... it was it was fun hanging out with him. He even showed me something I didn't know on um... on Guardians which is the new code is just super broken orb super jackpots so forget about Groot Groot all day that's that's over orb super jackpot can be north of five hundred million with the multiplier Yes, Ryan C is very OCD and he's good at finding bugs. That's why he was helping out with, he helped out with Dialed In and TNA with their code. Trying to find different bugs. So... Ryan C! Oh, we had a cool moment too. We went to a bar down the block from Sunshine after the league ended. Since they don't sell alcohol at Sunshine, they only sell beer and wine. And Ryan had made it clear that he's not really into beer. So a couple of us went down the block and we took some shots and he paid with a credit card and he turned to me and he's like, are you supposed to tip? And I was like, yeah, we tip in America. It's like the only way these bartenders make money. So, you know, he tipped her and then, you know, we're about to leave, go back to Sunshine and he's like, where's my credit card? And she was like, what are you talking about? He's like, I gave you my credit card, you never gave it back. So there was like a three minute like panic. We're all like concerned because he's flying to Toronto to meet Jeff the next day and he needs his credit card. She ended up dropping it on the floor. But there was like this brief moment where I was like, this is what you get. You get your first tip and she steals your credit card. Welcome to America. Nice. Then he went to Niagara Falls with Jeff Teolas. It was romantic. And then he played in a tournament this weekend and got second and lost only to Jack Tadman. I know that feeling. Really? Oh, where was that? That was in Buffalo? That was in Toronto. Okay. Todd is great. That's a good showing for him. Yes. Yeah, you've said he played really... He kept on emailing me all during Saturday night when I was driving back. What are we doing this game? What are we doing this game? What are we doing this game? And I kept on feeding him the rules and I guess feeding him is pretty good because he did well. So, of course, you were texting while driving, of course, Bruce, right? Speaking. I use phone. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. He does and you get some weird texts from Bruce. Yes. Yeah, the speech-to-text thing doesn't always work. It's very...no. So let's see, we did the news. We actually did an impromptu face-off. Yes we did. That was dope. So let's just do letters and then we can finish this one up. Uh-uh, I got more. No! I mean, sure! Give me more, give me more. We do the letters and then I go over new stuff that coming out for sale First letter we have from Robert Byers With a subject line of oh my Oh my Oh my Hey boys just finished episode 83 with Colin and TPF Excellent show as always. It has been rough the past two weeks only getting one at a time. Oh. Luckily I'm still plowing through Jeff's pinball profiles and then I have to head to head over that. Wow. Wow. Wow. I would love to come on the show, but only if I get to talk like Beavis the entire time, and you have to play the Triple H intro theme as you introduce me. It's time to play the game. Motorhead, I might get sued. Let's see. Just give me a heads up on days and timing. Yeah, the rest of you has his phone number, so we won't. We won't. I'm not allowed to say that because I can't BCC anybody in it. No. Let me tell you guys that I had never met Robert before TPF, but that guy is good at pinball. New Caption This is a story of a young man who was a big fan of the software and he wanted to make sure that he could get the software for his kid to test it. He was a big fan of the software, and he was a big fan of the software. He said, I'm going to test the software for my kid to make it so that the multiball is not always lit. And his answer was, you don't need a sorcerer for software testing, I need the sorcerer. Get a GoFundMe going so I can test it out myself. He said, I always did think it was kind of lame that multiball was always lit. and I would say complete the rollovers up top to spell the next lock or something. You can do that. See, regarding those stars, rule set, it's still perfect. Rule set as it sits. But I did add a couple of tournament-friendly tuning things to my new code base. The ability to always have a certain star light at the start of a ball, All of these are available on the Internet at www.sportspot.com. And you can carry over the status of stars and drop banks to any point, even leave everything lit if you wanted. There you go. Thank you, Scott. Thank you, Scott. So someone needs to get Scott Sorcerer so we can get that done. Yep. Eric Russell, I believe this was Eric Russell number two. I thought it was three. No, three is CNY, I thought. This is the one who's the senior analyst. Oh, he is the senior. The spreadsheet guy. And he has corrected the spreadsheet to, uh, well it was you won and then I won and now you won again. Of course I did. Damn it. Damn banana flippers. I love his comment on the spreadsheet. Originally Bruce won with Bally, but that was overturned after it was found that not all time works shipped with banana flippers. the ruling of Ron Williams' win has been re-overturned by the designer himself, Barry Osler. Woohoo! Oh, I think I was actually part of that one. Wasn't that on the podcast I was on last week? You guys argued about the banana flip. Yeah, it very well could be. Well, actually, well, we argue a lot. So we originally argued about it with the Keith Elwin episode, but I'm sure we argued. And then we got a video from Ryan Stingy of me and him playing split dick flipper. Oh my. Oh my. Oh my. Is dick flipper like a variation of the game that I played before where you like touch hands with the person you're doing split flipper with Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi, The CPR is making of course playfields and they've the ones that have now been sold out they have reopened I guess though so many people didn't grab their original orders. Alright, who's CPR? Classic playfield reproductions. Okay, just in case you want to find it on the internet. Yes specifically for people that are You know trying to restore the game. Yeah, playfield swaps. They do plastics. They do back glasses and they do playfields And they made a run of the most popular game ever made. Do you know what that is, Greg? I thought it was Addams Family. It is. No, it's Ballyhoo. We have like 30, 40 thousand of them. They repoed the Addams Family Playfield, and they still have some golds available for $899 for a brand new playfield. So if you need a playfield, grab that one. You know, we were just talking about this the other day. I know you guys are both avid players but also collectors in your own right and really nice tables. As a player, I hate Addams Family Gold. I don't want my opponent or me to get 20 million for Cousin It's Gold Watch or whatever. But like I totally get why the rarer, more LED version of the most popular game of all time would be something that everybody wants. You could put the regular software in it. You could have an LED playfield with just the regular ROMs. Yep, that's what I would do. Yep. They also have the Skateball Playfield. Woo. I love some Skateball. With the plastic set for $749 plus $55 shipping. So for $800, and you can get the backglass for $249, so for $1100 you can have everything to make your Skateball look new. The colors are a little off. You can have the greatest ripoff of Flash ever. The better game. That is the best. It is. But it is the ripoff of the Flash Playfield. Oh, it is, but it's the better one. I actually like both games a lot, though. I mean, I will agree that Skateball is the better flash, but I like flash. I like flash, but it definitely... I own a flash, so I must like it. And one more thing, new product on the market, it's on pin side, and Ron... And you don't hate it? Nope, because it comes... it's one of our favorite games that we own together. Not together, we don't own this one together, but we own it, we each own it. ACVC? Nope. The Tower? The older game. The older game. Older game, Nightball. Nope. Okay, just tell me what it is. God, you're no fun anymore. I already went through all those games earlier with the heads up challenge part. Stargazer harnesses are now being made. Oh. I really like Stargazer. I think that's because everyone and their brother seems to be remaking, like building their own. That seems to be the new thing. Yes. Damn it, I can't get a Stargazer, I'm gonna build my own. So now, wait, he also has another person in that same link The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. I don't have the money to even deal with that, but I respect the ambition and, you know, it is a great game. It is a great game, that's why I did it. So when you went there, did you go like, are you from New York City? And they said, New York City! No? Nope. No. I know you were just saying in jest, like, and Josh agreed it was a great idea, but since you guys do have so many games in common, it would be awesome if you could actually pull off, whether it was at like Ron's place or at the Silver Ball Saloon, John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Knapp Arcade, We're driving a game out of your way and setting it up. But I have to say that the speed run thing is like popularized in regular gaming. And I think that there's a certain level of like anxiety and pressure that you never feel when you're playing pinball. Like even though you're nervous and you want to win when you play normal pinball, there's never this like, oh my God, I have to live catch perfectly right now. I can't miss this shot because I've got five seconds. And it's just, it was actually a lot of fun. I think it would be cool to see the dimension of it not just being a Stern thing, like, oh, the three newest Sterns, like, let's do, you know, a lovable solid state that you never had to think of cool objectives, but, like, you know, I don't know, what's a cool objective on Quicksilver, like, getting to 3x? Or, yeah. That's easy. I don't know, just, it's a speedrun, so you can make them easy or hard, it depends. Oh, yeah, no, I agree. Oh, no, I like that idea. He said pull off. It would be a good stream opportunity for the Slam Tilt Twitch. Unfortunately, the one I'm going to be moving soon, ours are not even close to being this similar. Ron's played my fist. Dragon fist! I've never even played dragon fist, but I'm like excited by it. It makes me think of like Targaryen, making me think of Khaleesi, but also like some karate Bruce Lee action. That is Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee's on the game. Oh really? Yeah, but they put a headband on him, so it's not Bruce Lee, but it is Bruce Lee. So they don't get sued. So, Bruce, are you supporting Keith and Timmy? And Stern, are you going to get an Iron Maiden for the Silver Ball Saloon? Oh, no. No? Not right now. No, no, no. I'm more worried about making everything else work into place before. I have 24 games now. More since you've been up there, so... I can't wait to come back. When's the next tournament I should be visiting for? As in the summer? Well, we're going to have one next month. We're going to have our first critical hit tournament. Three strikes. Oh, with the cards? Yep. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. This is Metallica. Granted, the crank it up was set to easy, but holy moly, did that guy play perfectly. Yeah, we got, it's April 21st at the bar. $11 to join. Hope all of you will come out. If not, I want one more, I'm thinking about possibly in the summer, and Ron's gonna laugh at me. 12 hours at Rochester. I like it. Only 12 hours? Pussy. I could do that in my sleep. What is that, noon to noon? Come on. Nope. 10 to 10. Midnight. Oh, 10 to 10? Even easier. Mmm. Come on. 10 a.m. to 10 p.m.? Yep. Or 10 p.m. to 10 a.m.? See, there you go. That'd be more of a challenge. You know, whatever play in it. But you can't serve alcohol past a certain point. It's a problem. 2 o'clock. So you're better off doing it daytime. You got it. So then we can have all the fun. So intoxicated people for 12 hours. You got it. Awesome. I used it all the time. They're barfing all over your games. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. What's your favorite part of your career? I love having you on. You know that. Thanks. I'd love for people to start remembering me as Waparelli again, but I can carry the... Alright, we'll start a campaign. It's Waparelli, folks. He's not Darth Balls. He's graduated to the next level. He's now Waparelli. I called him that as soon as we came on tonight. You know that. He's better, faster... What is it? I gotta get the gimmick. Better, faster, stronger, drunker. No, but I did have a sleepover with Tim Balls this weekend. Oh, did he spoon? No, no, he was in his bedroom and I was on the couch, but Levi and I and CJ from New York City stayed, and Tim was a great host, and he has a nice apartment over there not far from the Stern factory and also not far from downtown Chicago where we were playing. I spent one night at my good friend Jason Roderick's place where I got to play his games, which is cool. And I really enjoyed the Chicago experience. I got my deep dish pizza out of the way and it was really freaking good. But I did post today saying that I have to give the best pizza to New York City just because I'm not even saying I wouldn't pick deep dish over. That stuff is amazing. It's just not pizza. It's something else. It's too heavy. It's too thick. Yeah, you can do it with a fork. It's not pizza, but it is damn good. They also have a lot of pinball bars. I only went to a couple, but they got a good scene out there. Obviously, it's like the heart of pinball's history, and I can't wait to go back. Thankfully, I've got two close friends that live there, and I know we miss Tim so much. Have to visit him. Come on! Come on! Come on! Enjoy your steak tomorrow, Timmy. Oh yeah, that was a classy move by Josh. Yeah, it was. So, do we have anything else? No, I am done with my two things. Because Greg gets to go play in a league. When does a league, when does this thing start? It's like 8 o'clock, 8.30. No, no, no. Alright, so normally tonight I would be playing in league, but it's actually the halfway mark party, which the only reason I have to really feel obligated to go is it's being held at the Commissioner's new bar that opened up in January. It's called Solid State for those of you that are listening that are in the area. If you haven't checked it out, it's in Woodside. The Wally Winka Show, Knapp Arcade, Straight Down the Middle, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, Knapp Arcade, Straight Down the Middle, The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. The Wally Winka Show, Knapp Arcade, Straight Down the Middle, The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Scott Danesi. Mark Knapp Josh Josh knows I love him. A lot of people were rooting for Josh and a lot of people were rooting for Colin. I was like, no, we need Josh to get a first. Like, oh, this young kid is so good, we want to see him win. But I'm always team Josh and he was being humble when he was on with us earlier. He played awesome. He played awesome all day. So good for him. I agree. So I think great steam music. I could play No Sleep Till Brooklyn. I think that would work for him. That is actually coming to fruition. No sleep till Brooklyn, the tournament idea, midnight to noon, is going to happen at some point. I'm just finalizing the date. And we are going to give away a pinball machine, probably a jackpot, and it'll be a high buy-in. Jackpot? Well Bruce hates it, but I like it. Most like jackpots. I'd sell it. You know what, I'd love to be the guy that has to convince someone, like the game that I'm going to be the guy that has to convince someone about jackpot because jackpot's firing on all cylinders. You can gamble, you can hit super jackpots that are very quick and I mean the game's just got everything to it. Megavisor, the impossible almost wizard mode that existed before wizard modes, come on. Bruce doesn't, he'd rather play pinball. Yes. But you'd rather play jackpot than a Gottlieb though. Oh god yeah. Okay. Oh did I tell you guys I've officially sold my Buck Rogers. I'm fully of the crew. Holy crap, you are free of the system one pain. Congratulations. I actually love the game. I love the game. And you know what I'm gonna buy next? I'm gonna buy me a Hulk. Yeah, Hulk. So what is on the list now for you? My first thing that I love is a game like, you talked about it today, I love a game like Argosy or I love a game like Grand Prix, just a simple EM with drop catch ability and spinner rips. But I'm open minded. I want to practice more nudging before Pinburgh. I want to practice getting better at drop catching and some flipper skills that really help you out in those older games. And I don't know, I haven't had a game yet. Well, I only have one game, but obviously what is Buck Rogers lacking? A spinner. It's just a bunch of targets. I want to rip that. It's lacking fun. It is lacking fun. I'm open minded though. I'm open minded. I will take any number of games. Open-minded though, I'm open-minded. I'll take any number of games. You need like a blackjack. That would be cool. I like blackjack. Or a six to one countdown. That's even a better one. I would even say that's a great one. Blackjack is tap passing, you got spinners, you got a pretty damn good rule set for the time with the whole beat the dealer deal. And you have to have it set evil so that the ties are a loss and that when the ball falls out of that scoop it doesn't go back in by chance Zach Meny, Dennis Kriesel, Knapp Arcade, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, Bally Williams, Tanyo Klyce, Knapp Arcade, Bally Williams, The Game It's a great tournament game. It's also at the Sanctum. Yes. Yes. I agree with you about the Sanctum. I play well at the Sanctum. Even though I'm not an old game specialist, their games always have like a certain level of comfort that brings the vibe in there. I agree. Although they do have a dialed in. That's by far the newest game they have. Yes. Yeah. And they also have a Viper though. Oh man, I won on Viper last year but it was, it is not a good game. That's the game, am I not mistaken, is that the game that it goes into something that The turret! It's not nothing. Once you get used to it, there is an actual rule set. You put it in the turret and you try to hit the lit shots. That increases the playfield multiplier. The problem is, the spinner is never worth anything. Even when it's maxed, it's worth shit. So we had Scott do a little modification to make the spinner actually worth something. It was a suggestion from Tim Balls. So maybe Jim, if I burn a copy, Jim will put it in there. That'd be cool. We didn't talk about this when we talked about the circuit final. Like, you know, there's so many good old Sterns, and it was interesting that they took the Data East, you know, literal definition, as Josh said, like the name on the trademark was actually Stern. But, you know, they took in RoboCop, which is a great game. They had Sea Witch, which is obviously a popular old Stern. There's kind of some curveballs like, you know, Galaxy, Catacomb, Freefall. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. It's nice to have like, you know, this elite tournament with all the best players there, but, oh, it's not just this tournament, you're playing, you're playing old solid states too. I like watching people play catacomb, when the ball's over and they walk away and then they like come back and go, oh crap, that's right, I'm supposed to do the bag of hell thing. Man, I had no idea what the fuck was going on with that, I'm gonna admit it. Really? I was so confused and frustrated because I was like... Flip flipper changes the color. Yeah, I didn't know that part. Flip flipper flips? I thought I was just randomly trying to get ABCD with no idea what was happening. No, no, no, no. I checked PINTIPS.net, there was nothing. I asked a couple people. YouTube! No, you needed to listen to us last week. Yes, we recommended a video on YouTube that is by Scott that gives a full description of the rules. I've been listening to you guys every week and I didn't get around to it because I was busy last week. That probably cost me a point. It probably did. Well, plus it was on Papa TV. Yeah. Well, John Rapogel was in my group and he was like very confident in his knowledge about it, but he just got house-bombed, which is... That happens. That happens. So this has been episode 84, Godzilla vs. the Sea Monster. This is the Slam Tilt Podcast. I'd like to thank all our... I guess they're not sponsors... All the people we like to plug. And we'll let you do this. We'll let you do this, Bruce. You haven't done it. So plug away. I might be on head to head in a couple weeks hopefully. Nice. Steven Bowden from Abonis. Say hi to Steve. Hi Zach. Hi Zach. Hi Jeff Teolis. Hi Jeff from that Flippin' podcast. Or no, Jeff from This Week in Pinball. We got Jeff from the Players Podcast, which I still have not been on. He promised me when I got him on, he'd get me out of it. Boy, he's got a lot of episodes on. Wow. He told me I should be on also, so maybe... See, you know, empty promises, man. You're just not a player. You're not a player, Burris. I'm not a player. I gotta be like a chowderhead. Chowderhead. Yeah, that's it. Plus we also have Brody and Pinball. We have the Canadian Pinball Podcast. We have this Flippin' Podcast. Who? They talked about us last night. They collected gamers' podcasts. Both of those podcasts talked about us but didn't call us out by name. Huh. On that. Well, did they say good things or bad things? Were they saying nice things or bad things? No, they said good things. They said, oh, I heard on this podcast that they, you know, about this, this, and this, but they didn't say. But then other podcasts, they go, oh, yeah, we, you know, so it was kind of a fail. There's the Pinball Podcast, the Coast to Coast, which actually did have an episode. Who? Who? Oh, they're back? They're back? Well, kind of. Yeah, one's going to bloom out. Oh, no, no, so Nate Shivers might be back, but what about the World Wide Pinball thing? I like that one. Oh, come on. No. That's on hold. That's on hold. We now have it, because we actually talk more about tournaments. No, no one wants to talk about... Okay, I'm sick of using that line at this point. No one wants to talk about... I'm sick of that line. I love it. Yeah, but it worked so well. Speaking of competitive pinball, Sunshine League is every Wednesday in Greenpoint, Brooklyn. Ooh, there you go. So play it if you're there. Yes. So don't forget, uh, don't forget, 21st of April, three strikes, critical hit tournament And I'm at the bar, $11 at the join. The gold standard of pinball bars. The door is open at 12 and we will start at 2 p.m. So you have two hours of practice. Is there any events coming up this weekend? Because I had to actually edit in the part where I mentioned the upcoming circuit final and head-to-head championship. Did you notice that in the podcast? We didn't talk about that. I had to friggin' add that. Nobody wants to talk about competitive pinball. We actually have a tournament at the bar this weekend with our local radio station. High score tournament on Tommy. You get one free game on Tommy. You get the high score, you get two tickets to Roger Daltrey at local CMAC, which is the Canandaigua tournament. Wait, are you saying the person that gets the best score out of all the participants wins them or the person that beats the GC? No, the person that gets the high score out of the two hours of qualifying. Okay. One game, he's the only one who can play. That's super cool, I like that promotion. And it's free. The game is set for free play. Free play, baby. Don't get fooled again. Play some Tommy. And there'll be prizes and giveaways, and we're doing $8 pitchers, and we're doing 75 cent wings, and we're doing liquor specials also. I like it. Oh yes, come on out to the bar, this Liverpool Saloon, say hi to world famous Kathy Nightingale and Bruce. Well, there's nothing, there's no major tournaments in, uh, at the end of April, but obviously Allentown, I expect to see you both there as I usually do. I hope so. I can't guarantee that. Yeah, for me it's about 60-60, 60-40. Are you both registered for the NYC PC? Yes. I am. Yes. Good, very good, very good. Gentlemen, until we meet again. Until we meet again, St. Greg, he's gonna go out to his, his, uh, party, his pinball party. As if I didn't play enough pinball. Yeah, like you didn't play enough pinball, that's all you do all weekend. Jesus. I know, Jesus Christ. One day I will be diagnosed as clinically insane. Yes, well thank you for coming on, sir. Well thank you for having me, gentlemen. You're always welcome. And thanks to all our listeners, hopefully our website will be coming up soon. Oooh, I gotta work on that. We are on Twitter now. Ooh, and Instagram. For your Instagram, you just need to send selfies every day. Of my junk? I'll get kicked off real fast. Oh my, say goodbye Bruce. Goodbye Adam Webster. Oh my, oh my, oh my, oh my. Josh Sharpe has joined. Ooh. Hello? What's up? Your car. Do you hear me now? Yes, we do. Ferrari boy. What the fuck? Wait, you have a new Ferrari? I swear to God, I'm like fucking... I swear to God, I'm like fucking 38 going on 91. I would forget. Shit. Un-fucking-believable. What a great intro. I love him.

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