# Episode 1143: "Cary Hardy Lost $3,500"

**Source:** Kaneda's Pinball Podcast (Patreon feed)  
**Type:** podcast_episode  
**Published:** 2025-10-03  
**Duration:** 19m 29s  
**Beat:** Pinball

**URL:** https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-1143-3-140344688

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## Analysis

Kaneda discusses Stern Pinball's declining momentum, focusing on Star Wars: Fall of the Empire's disappointing reception and Kerry Hardy's $3,500 loss on King Kong LE. He expresses frustration with Stern's pricing strategy and lack of innovation, predicting a 'reset' at the company. He also teases having contributed ideas to Spooky's upcoming Beetlejuice game and discusses the Pokémon rumor, anticipating Beetlejuice will significantly outperform both Star Wars and other competing releases.

### Key Claims

- [HIGH] Kerry Hardy lost $3,500 on a King Kong LE within 4-6 months of purchase, selling for $9,500 instead of $13,000 MSRP — _Kaneda states this as a specific fact based on Kerry's sale; uses it as benchmark for market depreciation_
- [HIGH] Star Wars: Fall of the Empire has only generated two pages of discussion in the Owners Club thread despite being on the market for almost a month — _Kaneda directly observes forum activity as metric of community engagement_
- [MEDIUM] One of Kaneda's ideas may be implemented in Spooky's next game, possibly related to turning on the machine with 'Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice' — _Bug and Luke from Spooky told Kaneda this; Kaneda is speculating about the specific mechanic_
- [MEDIUM] Beetlejuice will retail for $9,999 and immediately appreciate to ~$15,000 on secondary market — _Kaneda's prediction based on scarcity and theme appeal; not confirmed by Spooky_
- [MEDIUM] Walking Dead Remastered will cost $13,000+ for LE, possibly $13,500-$13,600, with no Pro tier — _Kaneda extrapolating from Stern's recent pricing patterns; not officially announced_
- [LOW] Stern Pinball is rumored to have lost Pokémon licensing — _Kaneda introduces this as 'the new rumor now' without attributing source; highly speculative_
- [HIGH] Don from Don's Pinball Podcast has been contributing design ideas to Spooky Pinball — _Bug and Luke confirmed this directly to Kaneda when he inquired; explicitly acknowledged by Spooky_
- [MEDIUM] No Stern LE from 2004-2021 (17 years) has depreciated $3,500 off MSRP in under 6 months — _Kaneda makes this historical claim as a benchmark; not independently verified but presented as industry knowledge_

### Notable Quotes

> "I just don't think they're going to be able to code their way into our hearts with this game. I think the aversion to buying one runs much deeper than the code."
> — **Kaneda**, ~6:45
> _Core critique: Star Wars' problems are design/aesthetic, not code-fixable; suggests fundamental market resistance_

> "Stern Pinball is feeling like an empire that is in a little bit of a free fall. And they need something."
> — **Kaneda**, ~18:30
> _Metaphorical summary of Stern's current business trajectory and dependency on a hit title_

> "We are the most prolific pinball content creators. And it's like hard for us to even want to talk about it."
> — **Kaneda**, ~7:20
> _References Kerry Hardy's reluctance to produce content; indicates community content creator disengagement as signal of game quality_

> "Pokémon is so much bigger than Star Wars. It's so much bigger than Harry Potter. It's so much bigger than Avatar."
> — **Kaneda**, ~11:30
> _Positions Pokémon as unprecedented IP opportunity; challenges conventional wisdom about pinball IP appeal_

> "By the time it's 1.0, Star Wars LE will be like $9,500 and the Premium will be $7,500."
> — **Kaneda**, ~5:30
> _Predicts rapid price depreciation post-launch due to supply strategy and market saturation_

> "I have more subscribers than every single pinball podcaster combined. And they're the ones running, buying these things, losing money."
> — **Kaneda**, ~22:00
> _Self-promotion contrasted with criticism of other content creators' purchasing decisions; claims audience/influence metric_

> "Stern staying in business is the number one way their games continue to lose value. Stern going out of business would actually be the number one thing that would help preserve the value of Stern games."
> — **Kaneda**, ~14:30
> _Paradoxical argument about supply and scarcity; implies Stern's business model is self-destructive to collector value_

> "If you started a thread that said, what do you think of Kaneda's haircut? You would have like 18 pages in one hour."
> — **Kaneda**, ~9:15
> _Self-aware humor about his forum presence and community engagement; underscores contrast with Star Wars' two-page thread_

### Entities

| Name | Type | Context |
|------|------|---------|
| Kaneda | person | Podcast host; industry critic and commentator; claims to have contributed design ideas to Spooky Pinball |
| Kerry Hardy | person | Pinball content creator; purchased King Kong LE and sold it at $3,500 loss ($9,500 final price vs ~$13,000 MSRP) |
| Stern Pinball | company | Major pinball manufacturer; subject of criticism for design direction, pricing, and market performance |
| Spooky Pinball | company | Boutique manufacturer; upcoming Beetlejuice release anticipated; recruiting ideas from external designers (Don, Kaneda) |
| Bug | person | Spooky Pinball co-owner/creative director; confirmed Don's contribution and Kaneda's idea involvement to podcast host |
| Luke | person | Spooky Pinball representative (likely Spooky Luke); communicated with Kaneda about design collaboration |
| Don | person | Don from Don's Pinball Podcast; contributing design ideas to Spooky; interested in roller coasters/thematic elements |
| Star Wars: Fall of the Empire | game | Stern Pinball release; criticized for poor design aesthetic, weak community reception, and disappointing sales momentum |
| King Kong | game | Stern Pinball Keith Elwin-designed title; Kerry Hardy's purchase depreciating significantly; subject of art direction criticism |
| Beetlejuice | game | Spooky Pinball upcoming release; $9,999 anticipated MSRP; expected to appreciate to ~$15,000; major industry focus |
| The Walking Dead Remastered | game | Stern Pinball anticipated release; Kaneda predicts $13,000-$13,600 LE pricing; expected to debut at Stern Army Party at Pinball Expo |
| Keith Elwin | person | Legendary Stern designer; designed King Kong; rumored to be massive Pokémon fan; Kaneda suggests he should have designed all three Star Wars films as separate games |
| Ray Day (Raymond Davidson) | person | Stern Pinball code designer; worked on Star Wars: Fall of the Empire |
| Rob Burke | person | Pinball Expo organizer; apparently does not want Kaneda attending; Kaneda referencing tension and attempting to demonstrate community support |
| Jersey Jack Pinball | company | Premium manufacturer; Harry Potter performing well; set up display at UK art venue (Mina Lima); Kaneda suggests placing game at Harry Potter store in NYC |
| Harry Potter | game | Jersey Jack Pinball game; continuing to generate strong community excitement and collector interest |
| Dutch Pinball | company | Boutique manufacturer; Barry working on Back to the Future; Kaneda expects production timeline uncertainty |
| Barrels of Fun | company | Boutique pinball manufacturer; mentioned as unaffected if Stern went out of business |
| Lyman Sheets | person | Original Walking Dead code designer; Kaneda speculates new coder is taking DMD code to LCD format |
| Pinball Expo | event | Major industry show in two weeks; Kaneda planning to attend and organize hangout; location for potential Walking Dead Remastered reveal and Beetlejuice teaser |

### Topics

- **Primary:** Stern Pinball's market decline and business strategy, Star Wars: Fall of the Empire reception and design criticism, Pinball game depreciation and secondary market value collapse, Spooky Pinball's Beetlejuice anticipation and release timeline
- **Secondary:** Pokémon pinball rumor and IP licensing, Content creator engagement and market sentiment, Pricing strategy across manufacturers and sustainability concerns
- **Mentioned:** Pinball Expo 2024 announcements and community dynamics

### Sentiment

**Negative** (-0.72) — Kaneda expresses significant frustration with Stern Pinball's design direction, pricing, and market performance. Star Wars criticized harshly. Frustrated by content creator burnout. Pessimistic about immediate future but optimistic about Beetlejuice and boutique alternatives. Personal tension with Rob Burke adds interpersonal negativity.

### Signals

- **[business_signal]** Stern's business model producing games faster than demand can absorb, leading to value destruction and collector reluctance; supply strategy unsustainable (confidence: high) — Kaneda argues Stern staying in business destroys game values while going under would preserve them; predicts King Kong will depreciate further as supply continues
- **[community_signal]** Interpersonal tension between Kaneda and Pinball Expo organizer Rob Burke; Kaneda attempting to demonstrate community support to counter apparent exclusion pressure (confidence: medium) — Kaneda references Rob Burke allegedly not wanting him at show but 'silence' suggesting possible reconciliation; plans to organize 'Kaneda Army' presence at Expo
- **[sentiment_shift]** Kerry Hardy's significant $3,500 loss on King Kong LE within 6 months represents unprecedented depreciation in Stern's LE segment history (2004-2021), signaling market rejection and loss of collector confidence (confidence: high) — Kaneda explicitly states: 'You can't name me one Stern LE amongst all of those years where anybody lost $3,500 off the MSRP of the game' and uses Kerry's sale as proof point of market dysfunction
- **[content_signal]** Kerry Hardy's unwillingness to produce video content about Star Wars despite being prolific content creator indicates content quality/theme appeal issues (confidence: high) — Kaneda: 'Kerry Hardy just said he's so underwhelmed by this game that he hasn't even made a video about it. I mean, just think about that. We are the most prolific pinball content creators.'
- **[design_philosophy]** Kaneda criticizes Star Wars design as 'compromise' that worked at $6,500 but not at current pricing; advocates for three separate Star Wars games with Keith Elwin (confidence: medium) — Kaneda proposes A New Hope, Empire, Return of Jedi as separate titles each designed by Keith Elwin; suggests current approach is 'all these Star Wars moments thrown into a blender'
- **[rumor_hype]** Beetlejuice positioned as market reset catalyst; anticipated to significantly outperform Star Wars and damage Evil Dead secondary market value through theme competition (confidence: medium) — Kaneda predicts Beetlejuice will sell out and appreciate to $15,000; expects Evil Dead to depreciate when Beetlejuice launches due to superior mainstream appeal
- **[licensing_signal]** Star Wars licensing restricts text overlay on movie footage, forcing awkward UI placement below clips; constraint impacts aesthetic appeal (confidence: high) — Kaneda: 'they can't have text over the movie footage and that's why they're using as much of the screen as they can with the text below it, it does look a little weird'
- **[community_signal]** Don from Don's Pinball Podcast confirmed contributing design ideas to Spooky Pinball; represents external designer engagement by boutique manufacturer (confidence: high) — Bug and Luke told Kaneda directly: 'he's got some ideas... some of his ideas may be implemented in a future game'
- **[market_signal]** Stern increasing LE prices to $13,000-$13,600 (Walking Dead Remastered) from historical $5,500 while simultaneously seeing rapid depreciation; pricing disconnect with market demand (confidence: medium) — Kaneda: 'Walking Dead LE used to be like $5,500... it's just going to be so funny to see what happens when they bring this game back' at $13,000+
- **[product_strategy]** Spooky has ~300 Evil Dead units remaining to manufacture through January/February before Beetlejuice production line begins; suggests Beetlejuice release end of November/early December (confidence: medium) — Kaneda: 'I think they probably got like 300 more to make, and they're going to be making those until like January, February, and then Beetlejuice goes on the line'
- **[product_concern]** Star Wars: Fall of the Empire exhibits fundamental design/aesthetic problems beyond code fixability; community engagement extremely low despite licensing investment (confidence: high) — Kaneda: 'I just don't think they're going to be able to code their way into our hearts with this game' and 'Two pages, people' in Owners Club after a month on market
- **[rumor_hype]** Stern Pinball rumored to have lost Pokémon IP licensing; unclear if game was planned or if deal fell through (confidence: low) — Kaneda: 'The new rumor now is that they don't have Pokémon' without source attribution; presented as unconfirmed gossip

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## Transcript

 And I don't want the world to see me, cause I don't think that they'd understand. When everything's made to be broken, I just want you to know who I am. Welcome everybody to Kaneda's Pinball Podcast. You made it to October. I feel like we are just a couple months away from Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. And I heard from Bug and Luke last night because I got a little bit of a rumor that Don from Don's Pinball Podcast has been helping Spooky Pinball with design. And I reached out. I just asked, hey, guys, is that true? And they just said, hey, look, you know, he's got some ideas. He's into roller coasters and we hang out and some of his ideas may be implemented in a future game. And then they also said, Kaneda, it might surprise you to know that one of your ideas is going to make its way into our next game. And I'm thinking it might be my idea to turn on the machine with Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice. So I am super excited. I also told them, hey, look, a good idea is a good idea. If Don's got great ideas, put them in a game. You know who doesn't have great ideas right now? Stern Pinball. They need help, whether it's Don, Ralph, Kaneda. People need to put more creativity into these games. And I think in the end, nobody really cares where a great idea comes from. If you have a great, creative, innovative idea that's going to make a pinball experience better, more power to you. That's why I do believe the homebrew guys are really where the innovation is going to come from when we want to get great machines in the future. So as we head into Pinball Expo in just two weeks, I will be there. If you are going to the show, let's do this. I'm absolutely going to organize a hangout, a happy hour. I always do. I'm absolutely going to pick up the tab for some Canada fans or all the Canada fans that are there. Probably 99% of the show. Only Rob Burke don't want Canada at the show. But Rob hasn't spoken to me recently about not going. So I guess that's a good sign. I'm just going to take the silence around my attendance as a good thing. So I saw that Star Wars Code 8-5 is out. So I watched Star Wars Code 8-5 for about 15 minutes. There's a lot more going into the game. You know, the code team, Ray Day and team are there in the video. And as I'm watching it and I see all these beautiful Star Wars clips and it's got a lot in it. I mean, when you talk about taking the movie assets and putting it into the game, and I know that they can't have text over the movie footage and that's why they're using as much of the screen as they can with the text below it it does look a little weird it's not as clean as I would like it to be but I just had this feeling like I just don't think they're going to be able to code their way into our hearts with this game I think the aversion to buying one runs much deeper than the code I think a lot of it is not working for us I think when you look down at it it just does look like a cheap game. It just looks like something that could be at Costco. That's a big issue. That's a real big issue. And I think for a lot of us out there, if you want to get a Star Wars, yeah, just wait. By the time this code is 1.0, we all know this. This is the problem. By the time it's 1.0, Star Wars LE will be like $9,500 and the premium will be $7,500. And they're going to make premiums forever. We also know that in like a year or so, they're going to make a 50th anniversary of this game. And it's going to have probably a nicer play field, probably have the full spike three package. And so everyone is just waiting. It was funny. Kerry Hardy just said he's so underwhelmed by this game that he hasn't even made a video about it. I mean, just think about that. We are the most prolific pinball content creators. And it's like hard for us to even want to talk about it. And I'm sad by this. The reason why I'm sad is this, is that we need Stern every once in a while to put a hit in the world because it creates momentum. It creates excitement As a podcaster I want Stern to have at least one big hit a year because if they don if they don it bad for everybody business It bad for their business I'm going to lose subscribers. People are going to fall out of the hobby. There's just not a lot of exciting stuff to talk about. I mean, Star Wars just came out and most people are not excited about it. And there's not much to look at and want to discuss in a way that makes us giddy and entertained. All that's going to change when Beetlejuice comes out. A lot of people are going to get excited when they see Raza. Am I making that up? Maybe, maybe not. Raza is going to sell all the units they need to sell. Harry Potter continues to excite people. They just brought one to the Nima Lima. Is that the name of it? Nima Lima. I always forget what the exact name is of the art store that has this special Harry Potter art. They just set one up in the UK. To my friends over at Jersey Jack, you now need to set one up. at the Harry Potter store in New York City. How could you have a game in the UK, but not one in New York City? Go Yankees. When you're called Jersey Jack Pinball, I am gonna tell Brett, Brett, just send the game there and get it set up. But that's going well for Jersey Jack. And so do we think we're gonna see the Walking Dead remastered at the Stern Army Party? That's when they ushered out Metallica remastered a year ago. It's hard for me to think about that, that it's been one year since I sat down with Stern leadership and thinking about the year they've had. Not exactly the year I think they thought they were going to have. And I think it's going to get worse before it gets better. The new rumor now is that they don't have Pokemon. I mean, I don't even know, man. Like Pokemon to me is funny because it is the world's biggest IP. But amongst the pinball buying demographic, I just don't know. I really don't know how it's going to do. I don't want to say it's going to go one way or the other. Let's just say this. If someone offered you the Pokemon theme and you're a pinball company, you're going to make it like you're absolutely going to make it. Now, is that the theme I would start with if I wanted to sell thousands of games to this audience? No. Die hard. Fifth element, big trouble in little China, right? a tiny little John Carpenter niche movie would have more of you excited than Pokemon. Now, because Stern needs to sell thousands of games a year on the premium and pro trim of these games, absolutely Pokemon is the much smarter choice to do. So will Pokemon be Jack Danger's game? Who knows? You know, there's also that crazy rumor that Keith Elwin is a huge Pokemon fan. And look, this is the biggest IP in the history of pinball. Let's not hold back here, people. This all has the data to prove it. Pokemon is so much bigger than Star Wars. It's so much bigger than Harry Potter. It's so much bigger than Avatar. By the way, did you see the new Avatar movie trailer is out? The trailer is out for like fire and ash and nobody cares. Like nobody cares. James Cameron is just going to keep making these movies and there's no cultural like significance to any of it right now. And I think it comes out like this December. Nobody cares. And so it's the biggest IP in the history of pinball. And you're telling me Stern Pinball is not going to put its biggest designer against it. Well, they didn't put Keith Elwin against Star Wars. They gave him King Kong. It's going to get real interesting real soon over at Stern because the alarm bells have to be going off. There are only two pages in the Star Wars Fall of the Empire Owners Club thread. Two pages, people. I don't understand. If you started a thread that said, what do you think of Kaneda's haircut? You would have like 18 pages in one hour. Stern Pinball developing a Star Wars game for two years, getting all of the assets, and they can't even get more than two pages in the owners club the game has been out for almost a month embarrassing reset coming baby reset time over at stern pinball maybe they need to call canada back in there maybe the next time i go through those doors it's because they invite me not because i asked to talk to them tables are turning baby now look we're all losing a little bit lately you know i was thinking about it this morning to you, like what would actually happen if Stern Pinball went under? Would the boutique companies would that affect them I don think so I think the boutique companies would do just fine Maybe there might be some parts that they source from vendors that couldn survive if Stern didn place those big orders But for the most part do you think Jersey Jack pinball would suffer if Stern went under? Would Spooky suffer? Would Dutch pinball suffer? Would Barrels of Fun suffer? I think what's crazy is Stern going out of business would actually be the number one thing that would help preserve the value of Stern games. Stern staying in business is the number one way their games continue to lose value. They've got to find a middle ground. They've got to find it. And the only way out I feel is if they lower prices. They have to. Other companies out there in the world have lowered their prices. I don't understand this. We're just going to keep going off the cliff every single launch. It doesn't make much sense. The Walking Dead Remastered, When it comes out, it's going to be $13,000 or more for the LE. I think we might see the price increase to $13,500 or $13,600. And then there's going to be the premium. And that's it. There's no pro. Walking Dead LE used to be like $5,500. Like it's just going to be so funny to see what happens when they bring this game back. What's on the screen. Knowing Stern's track record, I don't think they went and got the show clips. I think we're going to see like an animated version. of everything that was in the Lyman code. There is a new coder working on the game for obvious reasons is if you're taking the old DMD game and putting it onto an LCD, there's just a lot of coding you're gonna have to do to achieve the same effect. So are we gonna see that at the Stern Army party? We're gonna know in just a couple weeks. Will Canada be invited to any of these parties? I don't know, but I really look forward to seeing all of you that will be at the show. You know you won't be able to miss me. Got my outfits planned. Surprise t-shirt that's going to tease a game coming out down the road. You already know what it is. It's just going to be something that's going to make you laugh. And so we wait. And so we wait. And so ironically, we head into fall. And Stern Pinball is feeling like an empire that is in a little bit of a free fall. And they need something. And I want them to have a hit. Because it is boring every three months to have another mediocre Stern. We have to wait a year for the next Jersey Jack. We have to wait a year for the next game from Spooky. Dutch Pinball, who knows, man. Barry's taking forever with Back to the Future. Big Lebowski's are not holding value anymore. You know, they kept making them. Keep making them, keep making them. Now it's been a 12-year-old game. It's still not a bad game, but 12 years in one game, you know, you start to get over it. And I think we're all over the mediocrity. We want to see the passion. We want to see the new stuff. We want some surprises. We just want to want these games. I mean, that is really what it comes down to. No one's going to stop playing pinball. No one's going to fall out of love with pinball. It's still really exciting. I mean, the silver lining for a lot of you guys out there, you could just jump on the games you own, explore them more and get through them. You know, as I was watching the Star Wars stream today, I will say like I'm not an expert on how to code a game, but I still just feel like it's all these Star Wars moments thrown into a blender and it would have made more sense to let you select which movie you want to play through and you play through that movie and feel those moments in the right order. I think that would have made more sense. And you know how I feel. There should be three Star Wars games. A New Hope should be its own game. Empire, its own game. And Return of the Jedi, its own game. And you should have had Keith Elwin do every one. It would have been amazing. The Ultimate Trilogy with the ultimate franchise and you nail it. All of this just feels like a compromise. It worked when games were 6,500, don't work right now. So that's where we're at. As we head into the winter and we've got Beetlejuice looming over everybody else's launches, I think we're gonna see a teaser at Expo. And I think that teaser is really gonna be cool. And I think it's really gonna make everybody patient enough to wait for the release. Now, when will the release be? I'm thinking end of November, early December. I still think they've got a decent amount of Evil Deads to make, right? I think they probably got like 300 more to make, and they're going to be making those until like January, February, and then Beetlejuice goes on the line. I think, historically speaking, there's usually been about a two-month delay between when Spooky reveals a game and they start shipping to customers. But in today's climate, that's nothing. Everyone would happily wait two months and get something they super excited about You know who not excited Cary Hardy He bought a King Kong LE for Game is what Like four months old five months old, maybe six at most. He finally, after trying to find a buyer for like weeks, he finally got one offer for $9,500. So Kerry Hardy with all of his audience and everybody's aware, it took him a while to lose $3,500 on a King Kong LE. Now you go back and you start at 2004 and go all the way up. I mean this, go all the way from 2004, Lord of the Rings LE, go all the way from that to 2021. 17 years of Stern Machines. You can't name me one Stern LE amongst all of those years where anybody lost $3,500 off the MSRP of the game. There are a lot of people out there that don't want me to say this stuff. Unfortunately, one of them is our friend, John Ehrlich at Jack Bar. He's unsubscribed. I was giving him crap for it yesterday. He'll be back. I'm not worried about it, John. He's like, you know, Kaneda, your show is talking me out of pinball. It's like, John, it's not about that, brother. It's not about repetition or talking you out of pinball. It's about saying the stuff that needs to be said. Because unless we say this stuff, we're not going to help these companies make better decisions. And so Stern Pinball needs to make better decisions. They can't keep passing on to their new in-box buyers a $3,500 loss on a brand new Keith Elwin machine. And over the last 20 years, 95% of those years, you couldn't even lose $3,500 on any Stern machine in any trim level. But now you're losing that in less than six months on the trim level. That's supposed to be the safest. That's supposed to be the one that people want to collect. And they don't see a problem with that. And they're not making any moves to correct that problem. And I'm not going to shut up about it. And if it is repetitive, I don't really care because the rest of us are going to do what everyone's doing on this show right now. We're all just waiting and laughing on the sidelines. The only people that should be buying these things new in box are operators. If you're making money off these games, I'm happy for you. That's the way it should be. But I don't want to see any of you. I don't want to see any of my friends lose this kind of money because they were impatient and they ran in and they bought these games. I mean, you know, the content creators have to go buy these things. Apparently, I don't like I don't even buy these things. I don't buy these things and I'm doing just fine. I have more subscribers than every single pinball podcaster combined. And they're the ones running, buying these things, losing money. I don't understand it. I really don't understand it. Everybody, that's my advice to each and every one of you. Just wait it out. Wait it out. But get on the list for Beetlejuice. I mean it. Beetlejuice is going to sell for $9,999 and overnight it's going to be worth $15. And I'm just telling you right now. That's what's going to happen. I think the evil deads are going to lose value. They are. If you paid over for an evil dead, I get it. It's beautiful. Yes, everything about it is great. The problem is evil dead is still evil dead. It's not a great theme. They did a great job with it. But when Beetlejuice comes out, I just feel like it's going to knock evil dead down a few pegs because everyone's going to want the more mainstream theme that's a lot more campy and relatable than evil dead. It just is. Like most of you guys are not evil dead fanatics, but you're well aware of Tim Burton's masterpiece with Beetlejuice. All right, everybody. Thank you for being a member of Canada's Pinball Podcast. More shows are always coming. We're definitely going to be back for the Saturday Morning Spectacular. I can't wait. And get ready for Pinball Expo. We're going to have a lot of fun there rolling around Expo as the Canada Army. Let's show Rob Burke that there's a lot more people that are excited about my presence than who don't want me there. Kaneda out. Thank you.

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