# Kaneda's Alice Reveal Party! **Source:** Kaneda Pinball Podcasts YouTube Lives **Type:** video **Published:** 2024-10-07 **Duration:** 132m 50s **Beat:** Pinball **URL:** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRYwrA02BRU --- ## Analysis Kaneda hosts a live reveal party for Dutch Pinball's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland on YouTube, streaming exclusive first looks at game imagery ahead of the official announcement. He discusses the game's significance as a FOMO-generating title with limited production (500 units globally, 300 in US), compares it favorably to competitors like Jersey Jack and Spooky, and addresses technical streaming issues while building community excitement around the impending order window. ### Key Claims - [HIGH] Alice's Adventures in Wonderland will be produced in only 500 units globally, with 300 in America — _Kaneda states distribution: CoinTaker getting 200, Great American Pinball 50, Pinball Traders 50_ - [HIGH] Melvin at Dutch Pinball created Alice in eight months — _Kaneda: 'Melvin made this game in eight months. In eight freaking months, he made this game.'_ - [MEDIUM] Dutch Pinball will never make additional units beyond the 500—no future production runs — _Kaneda: 'they're never ever making anymore. There will never be other additions. It's just never happening.'_ - [MEDIUM] Alice's game will be an instant sellout before Pinball Expo — _Kaneda prediction: 'I think this game is easily gonna sell out before we get to Pinball Expo'_ - [MEDIUM] Alice is visually and mechanically superior to Spooky's Raza — _Kaneda: 'It's far superior to Raza. I think it looks way better than Raza. It shoots way better than Raza.'_ - [MEDIUM] James Bond 60th Anniversary owners lost $10,000+ per machine due to secondary market collapse — _Kaneda: 'If you bought a James Bond 60th right on launch day...your invoice was around $22,000. So you've lost $10,000 on that game.' Also notes JB60 dropped to $12k secondary_ - [HIGH] Dutch Pinball will reveal Back to the Future at Pinball Expo — _Kaneda: 'they're going to reveal Back to the Future at Expo, this company's got the wind behind their backs'_ - [MEDIUM] Stern's pricing strategy (multiple James Bond LE editions, Jurassic Park remakes at premium pricing) destroyed collector confidence — _Kaneda: 'Seth Davis made terrible decisions...kept remaking Jurassic Park, Elvira, James Bond 60th for $20,000'_ ### Notable Quotes > "FOMO is back with this game, and that's fun. And we need to get back to a period of FOMO and pinball." > — **Kaneda**, mid-stream > _Core thesis about Alice's market positioning and why it matters to the community_ > "Melvin made this game in eight months. In eight freaking months, he made this game. And John Papaduke could have eight years and couldn't finish this game." > — **Kaneda**, mid-stream > _Direct contrast between Dutch Pinball's execution and Zidware's failures; reflects on manufacturing capability_ > "There would not be this game if it wasn't for Zombie Yeti...Zombie Yeti's become a member of the society and our community...and delivered the greatest pinball art of all time." > — **Kaneda**, opening > _Validates Zombie Yeti's critical role in Dutch Pinball's success and artistic direction_ > "If you bought a James Bond 60th right on launch day...your invoice was around $22,000. So you've lost $10,000 on that game." > — **Kaneda**, mid-stream > _Market failure case study showing Stern's pricing missteps and collector financial risk_ > "If everybody who's watching Carrie and me right now wants an Alice, they're sold out around the world forever." > — **Kaneda**, late-stream > _Demonstrates extreme scarcity (485 units between two streamers with ~485 combined viewers at that moment)_ > "I owned an original Magic Girl. I paid $23,000 for it...I ended up selling it in its broken state for $21,000. But I wanted it." > — **Kaneda**, mid-stream > _Personal collector testimony about desire for premium art-piece games; positions Alice in same category_ > "I think we're finally back to some sort of FOMO and excitement...I might get locked out of getting the game—I think there's a little bit of fun there." > — **Kaneda**, mid-stream > _Articulates why artificial scarcity benefits pinball community culture and enthusiasm_ ### Entities | Name | Type | Context | |------|------|---------| | Melvin | person | Dutch Pinball team member; designer/producer of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland; coordinated reveal with Kaneda; responsible for 8-month development cycle | | Barry | person | Dutch Pinball co-founder/operator; associated with Alice production decisions; mentioned in context of early reveal (Kaneda: 'Don't tell Barry I did this') | | Zombie Yeti | person | Artist/art director for Dutch Pinball games; Kaneda credits as delivering 'greatest pinball art of all time'; critical to company's visual identity and game quality | | Alice's Adventures in Wonderland | game | Dutch Pinball's sophomore title; Lewis Carroll IP; 500 unit production (300 US); ~8-month development; reveal party happening at Kaneda event; order banks opening imminently | | Dutch Pinball | company | Boutique pinball manufacturer; produced Alice and upcoming Back to the Future; praised for quality, execution speed, and artistic vision; positioned as momentum builder vs Stern/Spooky | | Spooky Pinball | company | Boutique competitor; Kaneda notes community wants them to 'elevate'—more attention to detail, better build quality, more mechs, more magic; Raza compared unfavorably to Alice | | Jersey Jack Pinball | company | Premium boutique manufacturer; Avatar and Magic Girl mentioned; criticized for beautiful aesthetics but soulless code; lacking toy count (Avatar missing interactive features); Willy Wonka LE was overhyped | | Stern Pinball | company | 'The juggernaut'; criticized for destroying own LE market via overproduction, remakes (Jurassic Park, Elvira, James Bond), and premium pricing ($20k James Bond); Seth Davis blamed for pricing decisions | | Kaneda | person | Host of Kaneda's Pinball Podcast (700+ Patreon subscribers); 11-year pinball media career; producing this Alice reveal party; positioned as top-tier content creator alongside Carrie Hardy and Todd Tucky | | Carrie Hardy | person | Pinball content creator running parallel Alice reveal party on YouTube; ~5,000 YouTube subscribers; made 'boneheaded mistake' using unauthorized assets in promo; competing viewership with Kaneda (~291 viewers vs Kaneda's 194+) | | Zidware | company | John Papaduke's company; criticized for inability to ship games despite 8+ years of development; Deep Root also mentioned as example of failed execution despite massive funding ($61M) | | Deep Root Pinball | company | Manufacturer criticized for taking $61M and unable to complete games; mentioned as counterexample to Dutch's 8-month delivery | | CoinTaker | company | Pinball distributor; receiving 200-unit allocation of Alice; managing pre-order list | | Great American Pinball | company | Pinball distributor; receiving 50-unit allocation of Alice; managing pre-order list | | Pinball Traders | company | Pinball distributor; receiving 50-unit allocation of Alice; sent invoice-style email to get on list; managed via Pinball Traders spots system | | Avatar | game | Jersey Jack game; described as 'visually stunning' but code doesn't speak to players; lacks interactive toys; muted sound; needs better movie scene syncing at Expo code update | | Raza | game | Spooky Pinball game; compared unfavorably to Alice; criticized for 'stupid pinball bar' feature | | James Bond 60th Anniversary | game | Stern Pinball LE; priced at ~$22k at launch; secondary market collapsed to ~$12k; used as cautionary tale about Stern's pricing strategy | | John Wick | game | Stern Pinball LE; FOMO failure case study; buyers lost $4-5k per machine; George Gomez regrets the game | | Willy Wonka | game | Jersey Jack game; Kaneda overhyped it; game failed to deliver promised assets; Kaneda admits being mislead on feature availability; CE sat unsold 1-2 years | | Back to the Future | game | Dutch Pinball upcoming title; to be revealed at Pinball Expo; animator Jean-Paul DeWin transitioning from JJP for this project | | Magic Girl | game | Jersey Jack premium game; Kaneda owned original, paid $23k, sold broken for $21k; positioned as art-piece game in same category as Alice | | Pinball Expo | event | Major industry event where Dutch Pinball will reveal Back to the Future; timeline for Alice pre-orders suggests sellout before this date | ### Topics - **Primary:** Alice's Adventures in Wonderland reveal and pre-order strategy, FOMO dynamics and scarcity in pinball market, Dutch Pinball's manufacturing execution and competitive positioning, Premium boutique vs mass-market manufacturer strategies (Stern vs JJP vs Spooky vs Dutch) - **Secondary:** Secondary market failures and collector financial risk (James Bond 60th, John Wick LEs), Code quality and software satisfaction gaps (Avatar, Jersey Jack criticism), Zombie Yeti's artistic contribution to Dutch Pinball games - **Mentioned:** Pinball content creator ecosystem and community engagement ### Sentiment **Positive** (0.82) — Kaneda is highly enthusiastic about Alice, Dutch Pinball's execution, and the return of FOMO to the market. Criticisms are targeted at Stern's pricing mistakes, Jersey Jack's code shortfalls, and past overhyped games (Willy Wonka, John Wick). Technical difficulties during stream (audio clipping) create minor frustration but don't diminish overall positive energy about the game reveal. ### Signals - **[community_signal]** Kaneda positioning reveal party as marketing favor/community celebration rather than sponsored content; emphasizing independence from manufacturer interests (confidence: medium) — Kaneda: 'I am not paid by Dutch Pinball. I am not sponsored by them...Melvin simply reached out to me and Carrie...it's a celebration of their game creation' - **[competitive_signal]** Dutch Pinball's Alice framed as superior execution vs Jersey Jack (Avatar) on code/features and Spooky (Raza) on build quality; positioned as next-generation premium boutique offering (confidence: high) — Kaneda: 'It's far superior to Raza...way better than Raza...shoots way better...doesn't have some stupid pinball bar like Raza did' - **[design_philosophy]** Jersey Jack communication pattern (claiming features in place that are missing) creating credibility gap with collectors; Avatar launch video claims features not delivered (confidence: medium) — Kaneda: 'Why do they keep saying that [we have all assets] and then I won't complain about it...they say in that Avatar launch video we've synced up everything you want but they haven't' - **[event_signal]** Dutch Pinball planning Back to the Future reveal at upcoming Pinball Expo; animator Jean-Paul DeWin transitioning from Jersey Jack to Dutch for this project (confidence: high) — Kaneda: 'they're going to reveal Back to the Future at Expo...this company's got the wind behind their backs, right?' - **[licensing_signal]** Dutch Pinball signed NDAs with Kaneda and Carrie Hardy; minimal assets provided for early reveal; suggests tight IP control on marketing assets (confidence: medium) — Kaneda: 'We signed NDAs. And I'll say this: we barely got anything...we weren't supposed to use any of the assets' - **[market_signal]** Secondary market evidence of Stern LE price collapse (James Bond 60th from $22k to $12k; John Wick losses of $4-5k per unit) signals collector confidence erosion in Stern's pricing strategy (confidence: high) — Kaneda: 'If you bought a James Bond 60th...your invoice was around $22,000. So you've lost $10,000 on that game...John Wick is people who just lost $4,000 to $5,000 now' - **[personnel_signal]** Zombie Yeti credited as critical to Dutch Pinball's artistic success and game quality; positioned as key differentiator between Dutch and competitors (confidence: high) — Kaneda: 'There wouldn't be this game if it wasn't for Zombie Yeti...delivered the greatest pinball art of all time...become a member of the society and our community' - **[market_signal]** Alice positioned at price point significantly lower than comparable Stern premium LEs while offering more game/features; implicit criticism of Stern's premium pricing tier strategy (confidence: medium) — Kaneda: 'I want you to look at Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and tell me you don't see way more game...and it's gonna cost $7,500 less [than James Bond 60th]' - **[announcement]** Dutch Pinball's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland official reveal happening within hours of livestream; order banks opening imminently with 500-unit global production limit (confidence: high) — Kaneda: 'In 40 minutes, order banks open up...I think this game is easily gonna sell out before we get to Pinball Expo' - **[product_concern]** Jersey Jack Avatar criticized for beautiful aesthetics but weak code execution, missing interactive toys, and muted sound design; requires code update at Expo to improve (confidence: high) — Kaneda: 'gorgeous game...I hope the code updated at Expo improves...it's a little bit soulless and heartless...doesn't have the personality' - **[sentiment_shift]** Kaneda acknowledging past credibility damage from Willy Wonka overhype; positioning Alice enthusiasm as justified by different information/experience; defensive about hype-cycle role (confidence: medium) — Kaneda: 'In previous years, I got a FOMO train going around Willy Wonka...game never delivered...a lot of people believed in my excitement...I felt a little bit like misled' - **[business_signal]** Alice positioned as FOMO-driven scarcity play with no future production runs; deliberate contrast to Stern's overproduction strategy (confidence: high) — Kaneda: 'they're never ever making anymore. There will never be other additions...FOMO is back with this game, and that's fun' --- ## Transcript day for weeks for months for years let's get everybody in here right now let's copy this link let's start this right now on patreon um opening this up to everybody you know it's just one of those days where we shouldn't keep it we shouldn't keep it too close to the vest we got 738 subscribers let's do it live right now Alice reveal is it a reveal party yeah it's not a launch party because game's not out yet Canada Alice reveal party chooo let's do this all right next let's backstamp it for yesterday boom boom publish and we're in the house now look if you're on Facebook right now I'm going to send you the link because we're not doing this on Facebook see the link I'm about to post let's do this Alice's Adventures in Wonderland oh I can't wait we got less than an hour to go now you're gonna I'm gonna start it just a little bit early I told Melvin you I got he's like I gotta start it a little bit early you're gonna see it like right when it right before one o'clock we're gonna see some Alice's Adventures in Wonderland um and I'm going to I I made a great PowerPoint to walk you guys through the assets so I highly recommend just seeing it like this and we're going to go through it and we're going to see all the detail we're going to see all the magic um I just shared the link let me share it on Facebook real quick and we're gonna I'm going to share screen so I haven't really done this before because I can't share a screen on Facebook so if you're watching this on Facebook right now look for the link right now about to be posted on on Facebook go there and let's hang out for the next hour or so and talk about Alice's Adventures in Wonderland I mean I'm I'm excited I really am excited you can tell I've sort of been hyping this game for a while but for a reason for a reason this is not g to be a flash in the pan title this is going to be something that I think uh a lot of people are going to be excited about and not everybody's going to be able to get their hands on which is actually fun for the first time in a long time fomo is back we're going to talk about that I'm going to show pictures Charles but you got to come over to the YouTube page you got to come over to the YouTube page first one out the gate first reveal party out the gate don't try to snake me Carrie don't try and do it don't try and do it here we go we are Live on YouTube right now come over and see Alice photos right before like seconds I mean all right there we go post it all right I'm live all right you're on your patreon Thomas good Charles all right so you guys are there I'm gonna I'm gonna keep this going for a little bit they're not gonna be able to see photos so if you want to watch me here you can but you should have it over to YouTube because I'm not going to be paying attention to Facebook I'm paying attention to YouTube guys what is in the house we've got more see these guys can follow directions what's up we've got Mr Brian cner ah guys let's do a test run right now you ready you ready right now what we're gonna do we're gonna we're gonna do this right now if you're on Facebook you're in the wrong place get over to YouTube right now reveal party with can we get to see photos you're gonna see photos before anybody else just a few seconds before anybody else don't worry if you're if you're reaching out I'm not going to scoop their launch but I I organize these photos in a better way than what they're probably GNA dump onto Facebook so you'll see and I think it's going to be more fun for us to see it this way so don't cheat but you're gonna get a little bit ahead a little bit ahead a little bit ahead of of everybody else so let's do this right now how's everybody doing Roy's in the house we got 44 people in the house look it is it is new PIN reveal day it is Alice's Adventures in Wonderland this has been a game that like we've been waiting for uh since zidar showed that cabinet um I want to do a test run right now gang let me know if it's working if you're on Facebook you're in the wrong place look at the post above this and join that YouTube party we're all hanging out right now we've got 52 people we've got 17 on Facebook guys don't double screen me get over here get over here all right let me know if you see this get ready um I want to make sure I don't make a mistake but let me know if you see this right now and I'm going to share and I'm going to do slideshow so gang can you see right now yes or no a full screen that says ready to see Alice you let me know you see it no do you see it now how about now how about now all right all right so that's good to know so you can now you can't see it now is is it all black right now let me know this is why I'm doing the test because we're just gonna have to go back forth all right so you can see now all right did you see that little flick did you see that little flick all right all right hold on a second hold on a second I'm going to stop screen sharing stop screen sharing um all right here we're going to do this right now all right ready I have two pages here we're going to test it again all right here we go ready ready people in the house 92 people everyone wants to see Alice now we're going to do it we're going to do it right before one o' people all right so don't you know I hope you're hanging out here right before one o'clock a little bit before one I'm gonna start the PowerPoint and you're going to start to see images and I think you might see them here the first place ever and you're GNA be I think you're G to be I think you're really going to be excited and I'm gonna I'm gonna walk you through it we have a little bit of a leadup to it but you're gon to get to see the pictures you've all been waiting for what is the hype what is driving can why is Canada doing this um and it's going to be really fun um it's going to be really fun and so check it out I want to do another test real quick what I'm gonna do right now what I'm gonna do right now is I'm going to go back to that PowerPoint and I'm GNA flip a page now I want you to let me know if you can see both the flips because what I'm trying to just figure out is if I can stay on the full screen of the image um while I while I show you guys the stuff instead of going back and forth but I'll probably go back and forth Just because it'll be easier and I can read your chats because uh here we go ready share screen um all right patreon let's do slideshow all right now I know right now you see ready to see Alice I'm going to go back there and flip and you let me know if you see the second slot over okay ready to see Alice do you see this right now and are you seeing me change the slide right now to a slide that says do you see me turn the page two I I made I dumb this down for you people I dumbed it down did you see it okay yes all right we're good to go we're gonna we're gonna um we're gonna do this we're gonna stop sharing screen and we're going to um go back real quick hold on did I stop sharing and yeah I did okay great all right we're all teed up all all revmed up with no place to go as meatloaf would say we're gonna do share screen we're gonna do slideshow share screen presentation I'll send you guys this link too so that when we get ready to see Alice we get ready to see Alice together who's ready to see Alice's Adventures in Wonderland I know I am now look if you guys are on YouTube click on the if you guys are on Facebook I see 24 of you click the link on the post above and join us in YouTube for the reveal party you're not gonna snake me Carrie Hardy you're not gonna do it we were here first I I had my my party up first um we've got zombie Yeti's artwork in the background we're going to talk about his contribution to this game um and I think he's um again it goes without saying there wouldn't be this game if it wasn't for zombie Yeti there wouldn't be anything happening around any of these did wear titles the greatest thing John could ever have uh the the silver lining in all of his disasters uh was the fact that he found zombie Yeti for us and I think zombie Yeti's become a member of the society and our community uh and delivered the greatest pimball art of all time we're going to talk more about that in a little bit when we start the PowerPoint but I definitely want to say what up Yeti we got Dave Howard you can't comment on YouTube but I can see the video weird why can't you comment Dave log in we'll keep this Facebook thing going just for these little you know I can I'm reading Facebook too so I'll keep it open but you're not gonna be able to see this but it's okay it's okay how excited are you guys see right now here's what's crazy right now we have already in the house basically like one I if there's there's only four 380 games if each of you bought a game there'd only be 380 games rest for the rest of the world um like I think we're at a period now and I said this on my show today like fomo is back with this game and that's fun and we need to get back to a period of fomo and pinball new inbox releases were so much fun because of that like you had the fomo going on with the collectors you had the operators excited about the pros and then you had like you know the premium guys who wanted the full feature games but don't care about the vanity and all you know the the less endowed people chasing l so the fact that we're finally back to some sort of fomo and excitement and I can't wait to see something and I know I know I'm not maybe gonna be able to get it that I might get locked out of getting the game I think there's a little bit of fun there there's zero fomo for this game Joe you're out of your mind brother you're gonna see the fomo for this game when this launch happens in just like 40 minutes so 40 minutes order banks open up now a lot of you are going to have to go and get your like you know your emails ready and and pay for your deposits because you're not going to want to lose out so I think this is going to be um an an instant sellout this week I think it's going to sell out today I think this game is easily sold out before we get to pinball Expo and I think there really hasn't been a game like this I've seen come out uh I think it's far superior than razza I I do I think it it looks way better than RZA it shoots way better than razza it doesn't have some stupid pinb bar like razza did and you know what's silly is that Melvin and the team at Dutch Melvin made this game in eight months in eight freaking months he made this game and John papadu could have eight years and couldn't finish this game deep could go through $61 million and couldn't finish this game eight months and so I'm really excited to see the team over at Dutch pinball release their sophomoric effort in Alice and knowing you know they're going to reveal Back to the Future at Expo this company's got the wind behind their backs right the wind behind their sales like they've got a lot of momentum and I think it's exciting because I think you know we've all been celebrating spooky but people want to see spooky Elevate more more attention to detail right better build quality they want to see more mechs in spooky games they want to see a little bit more magic and I think we're gonna get there with spooky Stern it Stern does what Stern does Stern is the Juggernaut they make so many games uh they destroyed their own Le Market Seth Davis made terrible decisions that made every Le collector really question why I would give Stern my hard-earned money the fact that they kept remaking Jurassic Park elv James Bond 60th for $20,000 all of those moves just think about that there are 500 James Bond 60ths in the world for 20 grand when they came out there are going to be 500 alyses now I want you to look at Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and tell me you don't see way more game in there than James Bond and it's gonna cost $7,500 less and I'm telling you this right now I think the only Direction Alice is gonna go is North it's gonna head towards 20 grand where look at James Bond the irony James Bond headed all the way down to 12 so if you bought a James Bond 60th right on launch day from Stern your invoice because they charge you tax was around $22,000 so you've lost $10,000 on that game and I love it like even when I talk to George like nobody over at Stern even wants to like admit they priced the game that high even he was like oh we didn't price it the dealers George it was on your website it was on Stern's website for 19999 look pop fiction Le not only yesterday's news two years ago news we got 151 people here thank you guys for hanging out with Canada we're gonna show you guys World premiere Alice's Adventures in Wonderland um we're GNA be right up on the precipice of Dutch dropping everything on its Facebook page look we're a small little subsection of the culture we're not going to spoil anything I think I've been doing more marketing for this game than they have I didn't get paid for any of my efforts I simply was contacted by Melvin and he's a great guy and we've established a friendship uh that even I think goes beyond pinball like we the way it started was typical Canada relationships I think we were like cursing each other out and then we called each other up and now we're like besties it's great that's how it always goes with me you know I'm I'm an acquired taste after the first few sips you might not like it but keep going and boy you're going to love it it's like a fun anyway guys we're we're only 40 minutes away I can feel the excitement the countdown has begun and and like show of hands gang like how many of you out there have a collection at home right how many of you out there are just a little bit tired of the same old right the beautiful Jersey Jack game that's so stunning to walk up to and then you play it and it's a little bit soulless and a little bit heartless and it doesn't have the personality you right it doesn't have the call outs it doesn't have the synced up video with the the voices all you know all the things you want it's like ah they keep telling us we've got everything imaginable in this game and you're like oh cool where's the one toy in Avatar and you just ask that like where's the one toy in Avatar and they kind of look at you and they're like well you know like we there was no room for it there was there's no room for it and it's like well instead of maybe all this lower Playfield stuff that's not that much fun maybe maybe use some of that space for some more engaging stuff uh and and again I I think the mic is clipping is my mic clipping is it clipping bad how am I how am I sounding is it me or is it you sounds fine in my ear H H how we going it's better all right hold on is it is that better all right I think I think I'm just screaming into it is that that's better tell me if that's better all right good good all right right now it isn't it isn't unplug and replug it in I think yeah I think I'm just having bandwidth issues all right here we go okay so if you're on Facebook all right so look I think that you know Jersey Jack has just put out a gorgeous game I've played it a lot uh I hope the code updated Expo improves I think that's going to be the big thing with that game I think they're going to have to show that they've integrated more of the the movie scenes and get you going with them they have to no clipping is a USB issue the only solution is to do that I'm breaking up or I'm breaking the internet which one is it all right I want to keep going it sounds okay though guys because I want to make sure the sound's good because if not I'll plug it back in I'll see if I can do something something with the sound but I want to make sure we're good we've got we've got a little sound is bad all right hold on hold on hold on let me um let me do this let me unplug and plug back in and see if that helps hold on I mean I can just unplug this mic is that better I mean I don't need the mic is that better I don't even have the mic in are you hearing anything that is better let me try the mic again oh Terry's gonna get me with his professional sound is that better did we you know you know what let me turn off Facebook maybe the Facebook is making a clip hold on or maybe I'm just trying to think if something's like interfering oh it's my Wi-Fi yeah my Wi-Fi is not the best let me um let me try and move how let me try and move locations okay hold on I'm going to take this to the garage because the garage is where the router is all right because I think let me know if it gets better because I think it just might be if it's the bandwidth then I think it's going to be where I'm sitting upstairs so let me know if it gets better or not when I go to the garage how is this any better still clipping let me know Jens not sounding good I said the bandwidth bab on my mic why is that oh all right let me let me just let me let me take the let me take the mic off I want to make sure this sounds good all right all right let's does that sound better does it is it still clipping or we good they see my internet all right I'm going to keep talking are we clipping this and that is it maybe because it's maybe it's because I'm sharing the screen it might be the screen let me stop screen sharing oh man what's up YouTube all right we're going to figure this out let me stop let me stop let me stop screen sharing how about now is that better because I think it just might be when I'm screen sharing it's taking up is it sound better now no are you on babe no now it's okay all right all right so I think it's because the screen sharing all right all right it's the it's the okay so what we're gonna do is this okay thank we figured it out the screen sharing is what's making a clip so what what I'm going to do is I'm going to it's still bad back all right let me um let me restart this gang all right should we do that can I do it down here babe I think there's something with location do you mind doing your call stairs do you guys want me to restart the link should we we have 272 people in here that why I haven't said anything yet does that sound good are we I know Brenda's like what are you doing what are you doing all right well look this is the sound today if it's clipping my apologies you didn't come here to hear my voice Lord knows you hear my voice enough all right so we're gonna um we're g to we're going to get we're going to get these these photos out real soon it's 12:30 all right we've got Dutch is going to drop everything in a half hour we're going to go a little bit early don't tell Melvin I did this don't tell Barry I did this but we're gonna go a little bit early it's bad again I I don't understand you know I don't I I can't hear it I can't hear what you guys are hearing because it just sounds fine in my ear let me try closing some programs down hold on a second system preferences let's force quit some stuff maybe I'm running out of memory I don't really have much open let's do that close audacity okay it's fine it's good get it's get over it it's gonna go back and forth apparently all right so let's let's do a little poll here right so did you do you are you on a let's see start a poll are you are you on a list for Alice I'm curious who feels good about getting one today we've got 170 people here um all right so Pete Rosen thank you Pete I know technical difficulties will always haunt me um you know I'm sure Carrie has a much nicer mic setup than this so okay so here's the thing here's the thing um let me do you guys have any questions about Alice that I can answer right now before you see the game you're getting one to flip tend to flip you know there there's there's a lot of people are like this is just going to be a game that Canada is gonna buy and he's gonna flip for a profit um that's not that's not gonna happen um I I do think the there makes no sense not to get on a list for this game though like because here's the thing if you're on the list all you're going to get is an email with an opportunity to buy why wouldn't you just want to like have the opportunity I think a lot of people that are just so used to the last three years where everything is readily available are going to be significantly disappointed when they realize what true fomo shut down and shut out of a game feels like um you know 500 globally 300 in America it's intermittent what's going on guys you still having sound problems it's going to get on with the show it is what it is the sound might suck I'm sorry I don't know what's going on um what's the link to the weight list so the weight list the weight list is at coin taker Great American pinball um and it's at it's at um pinball Traders now interesting pinball Traders sent around a like an email like inv like like a it was an invoice for no money it was like an exchange to get on their list and then they said we're out and I think I think they're getting 50 Great American pinball is getting 50 and coin taker is getting 200 that is the Shakedown I got because they listed how many they had in their allotment over at pinball Traders are spots um transferable you know I think you're going to be okay transferring spots on this game Melvin is not going to be uptight about it um he he's not I think he's going to be fine with that is your fomo uh only to flip it no as I keep saying uh I I for those of you who know me I owned an original magic girl I paid $23,000 for it from Mr Kim Mitchell I ended up selling it in its broken state for $21,000 but I don't don't I wanted it like I always wanted like one of these art piece Jpop weird Whimsical kind of magical games and I'm happy to report I think this is it I'm just G to turn some lights on in here because it's hard for me to read hold on light aiz light it's also hard for me to read because I'm wearing sunglasses inside there's that problem I have um all right I would love to be on the list for the game it's just priced out of it yeah I mean look it's it's no chump change Lord Olaf Mr Avatar CE himself is in the house congratulations on being able to secure an avatar CE uh I don't think they'll be hard to get beautiful machine though gang like absolutely when you walk up to an avatar CE and you're going to see it at Expo it's absolutely stunning it's absolutely stunning I mean it it visually might be one of the most beautiful pinball machines ever I I just don't get the code just doesn't speak to me like it I don't walk away from Avatar like craving to play it more it just it it just doesn't pull you in and and again that's a software thing I can Overlook the lack of toys if the software and the adventure in the game was just more captivating I think that's the right word I'm just not captivated because it's all muted it's like all you know how I feel about it they gota they gotta like sync up the sound effects and the actors with those scenes in the movie so we'll see what they drop at Expo we've got almost 200 people in the house gang we're g to go a little early don't tell Melvin I did this um and we're going to see you're gonna see for the first time anywhere in the world um Alice's Adventures in Wonderland let me do the test again let's see if this messes up with the um with the speaking but I'm going to do the test again and I want to make sure you guys see this now when I go back to the other page let me know if you see me switch over to the other page I have it in slideshow do you see that you see that switching do you see me switching back and forth between the blurry and the non- blurry okay all right I'm Gonna Keep It on this we'll see if it goes scratchy or not is this for patreon only Hector I open this up for everybody Hector there's no way I could get 200 people on here if it was for patreon only and the reason why is is you know this is a this is a favor for Melvin and the team over there and it's a celebration of their game creation and so I want everybody to come through the door and look if you're not a member of the Canada Club I also wanted people to get a little bit of an exposure to Canadas pinball podcast I know a lot of terrible things are said about me by some people on pinside who just can't get over it um some people refuse to shake my hand when I meet them at pinball companies but I've been doing this for 11 years I believe I've been making the most entertaining pinball content there is uh me and Zach Minnie I think are the one two in that category I'll put Carrie Hardy in there too and Todd Tucky you know there's like a there's a supernal realm of pinball content creators and um and yeah I uh I I do weekly shows and do lives on my club only so no more Facebook lives it's all it's all behind the pay wall I do a lot of work I do a lot of research uh it takes a lot of time out of my life away from my family and so when I ask for $5 a month I hope people don't see that as an insult uh and I think anyone who's a member of the caned Club knows uh you are getting your money's worth um when you join up and you listen to the show uh I do believe I try to be 100% authentic I know I went on the hype train for this game uh I want to address that because I do think it is important for us to hype and get excited and and get that fomo train back in the pinball because if we lose f and pinball we've lost I think half of what makes a new game launch exciting it it is it's because it's exciting to watch the people on the fomo train it's exciting to capture their excitement it's also exciting to speculate whether or not we think those people got on the right train right remember when people went to stern because they were invited and Stern put them on the fomo train around John wickle remember those people and they and some of them bought John Wick Lees remember people who just lost $ to 5,000 now because nobody wants a John Wick Le so it's fun to watch and be like like you got on the wrong train and look I in a in previous years I I got a fomo train going around Wily Wonka and it it was bad for me it was bad like I was talking about it like it was the second coming of pinball and a lot of people believed in my excitement and then you know the game never delivered and the CE sat unsold for like a year or two years and I I to my defense I was excited because I got to see the game before everybody else but it was more that you know Jack did tell me that all the assets were going to be in the game and none of them were so like I felt a little bit like misled on what was going to be in the game I'm always unsure what Jersey Jack means when they said when they say stuff like we have all the assets you want and even when you look at the Avatar video people they say in that Avatar launch video that we we've synced up everything you want but they haven't so it's like why why do they keep saying that just stop saying that and then I won't complain about it um no John Wick is I mean even George Gomez regrets John Wick all right we're at 12:41 we're gonna go at like 1255 is all right people we're going to go at like 1255 is we're going to start going through my deck I'm going to be looking at the clock but I guarantee you you're going to start to see Alice's Adventures in Wonderland just a little bit before everybody else we've got a very captive audience here I think you're really going to enjoy the PowerPoint slideshow I put together took me about an hour to do this um again I'm not paid by Dutch pinball X I am not sponsored by them I don't have any special arrangement with them uh Melvin simply reached out to me and Carrie we signed ndas and I'll say this it we barely got anything we barely got anything and and if you were on my chat last night I was giv out to Carrie because when he did the promo for his reveal party that he's doing right now um Can someone go over there and tell me how many people he has I'm curious how many he's got we've got 189 which is not bad he's got a much bigger uh face or YouTube audience than I do so I'm sure he's probably right around here as well um I love Carrie by the way he just made a boneheaded mistake we weren't supposed to use any of the assets and he used assets you know that's great no it's awesome I mean look car's got like 5,000 YouTube subscribers so I think that is awesome we we' both got some good audiences going right now um the he used an image that we weren't supposed to use yet and it didn't look right because it it was like thumbnailed and the colors were off and then I knew what would happen is like people were going to start like deconstructing um you know the the colors right and and saying oh it's not good it's not this it's not that um well here's what's funny between my 194 and car's 291 you know what that is people it's like the exact amount of games being made like if everybody who's watching Carrie and me right now uh wants and Alice they're sold out around the world forever and I also I also heard from Melvin that um that they're never ever making anymore there will never be other additions there will NE like this is it like you're not going to buy this game and they're going to see the overwhelming demand and make more it's just never happening all right so I think um I think some people have that concern you should have that concern because you saw Jersey Jack make more uh Wizard of Oz machines and Stern's been doing nothing but screwing over the people so yeah car's got you know 10,000 subscribers that's right he just crossed the 10,000 Mark that's awesome no car's Carrie's like the YouTube guy like YouTube is not my thing I use this only when I do lives periodically um my thing is podcasting you know that's my Lane um and then like Facebook lives basically because they were you know live and fun and unedited but you know I just have to pick and choose like where I want to apply my efforts and you know we've got just we got like a little little over 10 minutes and we're going to start seeing Al you guys ready do you guys want to see just a little bit should we give you just a little bit all right so I've got this blurry image I just want to show you like if you see car's thumbnail if you see car's thumbnail I'm gonna give you just a little bit just so you can see like we're going with the colors in this game and you can see like the colors are not nearly as like muted as they were in that teaser but we're gonna see um you know and and it you know I think a really hard achievement is to take zombie Yeti artwork and to make it into something that he didn't touch or colorize and would he have colorized this differently absolutely are we ever going to get that game never so I think you could look at it and wish for something different I think you're gonna look at it and think it's awesome and I think it's just that and I think this game would not exist if it were not for him um we're going to get going in a little bit five give me five minutes we got we we can't jump the gun too much um you know there's an embargo and it I do respect that stuff but I wanna you know I want to give all of you guys who are here 224 people you know it's funny like what it's like what's he showing over there is he jumping the gun and like 320 I mean this is not a competition this is not a competition um you know it's like it's it's really going to be I I I'm curious because I I want to you know go back and forth between this the the PowerPoint the Google Doc and here because I want to hear your comments um it's gonna be it's gonna be good it's gonna be good look I um I think today could turn into a little bit of a an show and I I do mean that I think what could happen is is that coin Taker and you know Dutch sent out that email that I would not have sent out that was like if you're an EA and you still own your Labowski you can have an ALICE like you you can get first dibs at one I don't like Barry like what are you thinking I I told this to Melvin like Common Sense guys like how are you gonna now manage that portion of it because there's like I think there's like 180 EAS and even if just like a third of them want and Al is like how are you going to f figure out now how to hold those 60 games back because the order banks are opening up in 15 minutes right now and those people have to like verify they still own a Labowski by holding up a newspaper it's like it's like what like just sell the game and and I know they're trying to like be loyal and and show you know so show some loyalty and give some rewards to the early Achievers but man I I just think that could make it a little bit uh hard for all the Distributors to know their allotment when you only have 500 because I think again I think I think the the disos are going to sell out like pretty instantly all right so let's let's start this PowerPoint gang because we're gonna we're gonna get into it all right I'm gonna I have things to stay on each slide so you know we all know that game started as like a dream of jpops more like a Ponzi scheme item to try and lure more people in to save his bankrupt butt because he had gone well overboard on the magic girl financials and on the razza deposit so he had this phone Corp right of Alice's Alice and Wonderland uh and typical J-pop fashion he didn't check on Disney with the IP that's why this game is called Alice's Adventures in Wonderland is because uh Melvin just wanted to avoid putting all the work and then Disney who very litigious maybe tries to put a stop to the game and I think it was a smart move I think it was a smart move because especially with like an adult version of Alice and Wonderland you just don't want to run into problems so he may he did the smart move now what you see here I want you to see this what you see here was nothing more than foam core with some thought starters and zombie Yeti artwork right and it's obvious the zombie 0 artwork the super deep zidar cabinet that never really worked um and you know Melvin took this you know it's just like literally these two guys Melvin and his team took that foam core and were able to make something that you're going to see today a fully working fully functioning fully operational pinball machine based on something that you know John could if if JN had a decade he wouldn't be able to finish the game um and Melvin did it in eight months you know we've been talking a lot about Jack danger doing X-Men in a in a 12mon uh you know production cycle you know I think these two guys Melvin and Barry combined I think you're looking at two very very talented pinball luminaries who are really going to be household names over the next five years and I think you're going to see them not just in this project I think you're going to see them in Back to the Future um and I think you know there's going to be a big future for this company even after that uh because I think they're just going to put products into the world that are unlike everyone else's product uh but also deliver I I think they have a good understanding of what made us love Bal Williams game so much uh but also in a modern way and you know I I know the Labowski manufacturing debacle was a disaster but you know you got to remember the context of when Barry rocked into I think it was pinball Expo with that game uh how how he showed up the entire industry uh now obviously you know we know all the other negative sides of the you know contract manufacturing and people being like lied to and not getting their money and all that stuff but I'm happy to report as of today this company is 100% fine you know they're doing great they have all the EAS have their games they owe nobody anything they're in the green and you know they're they're looking at the future with a lot of optimism and they've built a really eat off the ground super clean Factory um and they're going to make more Labowski production on Alice will start sometime in January um and they're looking you know on a good week they're putting out around 10 machines a week that is like how you know how the factory operates at its you know when it's at its capacity so you take 500 games 52 weeks you know it's kind of like everyone's G to get their game in 2025 is going to be the promise you get from them uh today they are going to make an announcement that all deposits will be refunded if you do not get a game in 2025 so I mean that is interesting all right we're going to show this baby just a little bit there um I wanted to to include this in today's discussion as we talk about Alice's Adventures in Wonderland um the I I don't even know where to start with this there wouldn't even be a game without Jeremy Packer (Zombie Yeti) um this man the amount of work and the amount of effort he put into Jon's projects at zidar uh and it it just was backbreaking and I know it was like really uh depressing for him to put all this effort into a company that turned out to be like a mad scientist Ponzi scheme and people lost all this money and his artwork never saw the light of day now I know this is not the way you know he wanted to see his his artwork on a game he probably would have loved to have like had it all work out um his artwork was not stolen from him I I want to clarify some things zombie Yeti Jeremy he was paid by John um he was paid by Billet pantasia and you know he's been compensated for the work he did on this stuff so it wasn't stolen from him you know Melvin didn't steal his laptop and download all the files okay so I I think I think you got to be careful on the words you use here and we're not in a negative space here we're in a positive space about this man and what you're about to see is all because of the foundation he laid for this game and everything you're about to see is building on his foundation and you know the only good thing John ever did was that he Googled one day zombie artists because he had retro Atomic Zombie Adventure Land for you newbies that's how he discovered Jeremy he was just looking for a zombie artist and he found this guy and his will always you know be kind to Jeremy because he's historically maybe the best pinball artist ever and his games are phenomenal and I just wanted to say that that even though he's not at DPX and he has a illustrious career at Stern um this man uh should you know it's hats always hats off to him even though I'm not taking my hat off right now Jeremy because I've got my headphones on and everything all right all right we got a few minutes people I told you I'm gonna go just a few minutes early and we're gonna start to see the game um how many people we got in there 2:30 yeah we can't catch him we can't catch I love it between is is Carrie showing stuff already come on all right all right we got give me a minute give me a minute all right we're gonna go to the next slide all right couple minut give me a minute give me a minute all right we're getting close people I feel it Love Is in the Air just a couple minutes couple minut like just go few minutes early you're GNA see it I mean come on this is how we should do it this is how companies should do it they should build it up like this on one person's laptop not like cell phone screenshots to Joe AB body you know Bill Brandon is like just show me man I won't show anybody I'm like Bill the moment I give you an image joa body's got it in like three seconds I feel like you guys share a cell phone you know I'm like I'm not giving you an image and I'm proud to say I did not leak anything everything that you know you're about to see um has been kept quiet all right Bill does not all right are you guys ready are you ready are you ready to see Alice's Adventures in Wonderland by DPX and Melvin um and let's talk about it I'm going to go through each of these images and we're going to get to talk about it all right all right we're just a little bit now just I'm like I'm I'm just like going a little slower I don't want I and and gang do me a favor do not do not like get me in trouble and I I know asking this is going to make you do this so it's like I know the internet and I know people it's like do not take these in the next two minutes and screen grab them because highres images of all this is about to drop in I'm G to go at 1256 all right I'm G to go at 1256 highres images of all this stuff is going to be out there so just let that be the sharable images and we're off all right are you ready Brenda boom Al Adventure in Wonderland I like almost like want to um just let you guys see stuff and not talk it so here is our cabinet and it looks like it looks a little hold on like I'm like how does it look it looks a little it doesn't look as colorful it is let me see on my on my PowerPoint hold on hold on a second I think it looks great I'm just trying to make sure the colors are popping on the Google Doc hold on one second what's up maybe take your glasses off is it my glasses hold on hold on hold on open and then I'm G to go here yeah look it might be more red on your guys it just might be the way it's coming through on mine all right let's keep but all right so we got the we've as you can see we've got the the cabinet artwork on both sides it's reversed and there's reversal of the ches Shire cat I mean I love this cabinet I hope it I hope the colors are popping like it pops on my computer um but this this to me is stunning and I I love it and I love how they've gone even more I'm gonna get to the Playfield gang there's a there's a journey here relax all right relax all right so there's I got a I got a feisty Bunch but if you can zoom in here and again I hope these colors are popping because they're very muted on my Google doc which I think it just might be my computer's coloring is Gang for you is that red or red red just let me know is the red like a bright red I just want to know car showing the Playfield all right all right here we go we'll get to the Playfield there you go there's your backbox we're going to go through it all there's your trans light okay with your cat on top all right all right I'm going to click through so you guys can see the details I want to talk about all this but we got your sword shooter Rod you get your powder coated Corner okay there's the Playfield want the Playfield you got the Playfield the powder color is bright red on mine it's coming through darker on here for some reason it's not not maroon Brown and tone at all like it's not like it's I don't know what happened with these photos I'm sorry guys I think the photos like are darker when I uploaded them from PowerPoint to Google doc um let me see if I can sh I'm G I'm gonna show you guys on this first and then back but you can see as we as we move up the Playfield see you've got the the out L saves you've got these beautiful leor sculpts you've got a magnet under here under that Flamingo on the left side that you can see um you've got the chess Shire cat scoop that's a scoop there that's going to fire the ball back ches sheer cat Brenda says you've got the clock we've got this huge upper play field I'm just going to flip through photos guys because the photos are out now and then we can go back and talk the Magna flip you got the mirrored this is what I was talking about the mirrored side art so like it's mirrored and then the art is over it okay so this is a good photo you start to see some of the depth I think all the colors I don't know I think they just get a little washed out on PowerPoint but you're going to see the highres ones this is really cool the way the clock you know it's digital but it can show like it's been crack the glass like I love the these kinds of attention to details real light right sculpted Street lamps there's our jabber walk right jabber walkie um he moves his arm goes up and down when you battle him a little bit more of an image there of the so you can see the ramp to the left see that ramp going up then you've got and it like I can't wait to you guys see some gameplay footage but I wanted to just give you you know some images of what you're going to see in the game this is a really cool magnet flip so you you move the ball around and you hit the targets as the ball like loops around with the magnet and goes into like that little kick out in the upper right I know I'm going fast so it's going to have if you look at the upper left here a mirror so you're going to be able to see the ball like kind of like theater of magic what's happening back there um with that mirror so I think it's a throwback the theater of magic you're also going to see the balls lock underneath the Playfield allaha Avatar has that right Elon John Piano so that's another really cool feature um yeah I mean I want to go back and go through it but I I think that I want to try and open up I'm going to stop screen sharing I want to go back and open up I don't like plastic ramps plastic ramps Olaf are more expensive than wireforms so you don't know what you're talking about through I'll keep it here I'll keep it I'm just curious what you guys think wait you guys you don't like it a bad joke wow tough critics is this a world underg glass okay no like guys like I like I'm I'm like I think this is a beautiful game um and I'm not sure like if you don't think this looks like a going into Alice and Wonderland with the different areas and territories and queen of heart's upper Playfield and the jabber walk and I I don't know I don't know I I don't know what to tell the critics other than like this looks like a damn fun pinball machine you know like and I also think like when you when you look at when you look and for people that say like I don't like the plastic Rams I me plastic Rams if you've ever played on them there's a reason why they don't have them in most games is that not it's not because they break they're just much more expensive to mold these plastic ramps than it is to do wire forms um and they look so nice um and so again like seeing this game like all lit up you know I think it's GNA be great like I do I do I expect you know to win each of you over no I mean I I absolutely do not I'm just not sure why the colors on my computer hold on I'm going to stop screen sharing pull up my PowerPoint here because I want you to see see I'm going to do share all right do that W it's gonna go crazy but like let's look at this now can you guys see this or just me oh I think it's just on the monitor all right let's um here you know what I'm going to do let's do this I'm going to pull up I'm gonna pull up the Facebook page for Dutch and this will work you know I can tell I can tell just like why these pinball companies you know it's like man everybody everybody is like it's hard to please people I I actually love it I actually love it I mean maybe I'm looking for the good in it and people are are looking for the bad but I think it's a gorgeous game let me pull up Dutch pinball X and see the game they have to have it up by now there we go yeah all right let's screen share see can you guys let me know if you can see when I go over um let me know when I go over to Facebook if you can see this I don't want to see this you know YouTube really finicky I got to oh here we go okay all right now I know you can see this right okay see the colors here you see the these colors I I these are coming through better right than it was on my Google doc so let's go here I mean come on you're telling me your wife's not going to let yeah okay I'm sorry I don't know why the colors got washed out when I uploaded it so let's go through so you can see I mean this is stunning this is a stunning cabinet absolutely stunning like you're you're not gonna get you're G to tell me that this is not beautiful amateur look at these I mean you do know that a lot like I I like some of you guys like this is an amateur know all right so you can see the colors are more you know it's hard it's hard to um this I mean this upper Playfield is massive I mean you can you just got I mean look at it goes all the way from like it's half the half the width of the of the of the cabinet see this is why I love when when you're standing over the machine I think this gives you a good sense of like the depth and the perception and what it's going to feel like to shoot um also like those plastic wire form they're not wire forms the plastic Rams are so nice um when you see them on a game now the thing is like there you I didn't upload all these photos but you can see how they've kind of arranged them sculpts all right I don't know what that page is all right I mean there there it is like we we're we can keep looking at it I'm sorry gang about about the Google Doc colors I don't know what happened there they were fine when I uploaded them earlier um so let's just talk about it I mean let's talk about seeing Alice for the first time upper Playfield is a waste of space you guys are like man I honestly I understand now why I would never get into pinball manufacturing like what how could you say the upper Playfield a waste of space do you not want fun stuff in pinball I I don't get it I really don't get I know there's just like trolling going on but man it's like really weird to me what's the cool count in how many ball paths are the coook count the I don't know the plastic Rams are on my Toad and are awesome it has no toys uh I would I don't I don't think it has no toys I mean I would think that upper playfields like magnetic flipping upper Playfield is a toy to me um I absolutely I think the you know the outlane saves are toys you know turn them on like anything where like you're interacting with the ball in a physical way to me is kind of like a toy that that's not a flipper or a generic you know normal part that's in every game like a pop bumper is not a toy I'm just reading all your comments gang it's going fast where's the bash toy yeah bash toys you know like it does it have a sentinal Mech like X-Men absolutely not yeah I mean like everyone's in the same boat U the game is gorgeous you know is it fun to play I don't know I I haven't played it I haven't played it remove me from the list well see like g i I'm I'm really curious to see you know what the the Market's going to do today I think it's going to sell out I still think it's going to sell out I think I think um 500 of those things out in the world is is going to do I think the the video is supposed to come any minute now like I don't have the video let me check my uh my email but I I know that Melvin didn't give carrier myself the video as of last night let's video yes oh here we go um wow no I just I'm I'm here for the conversation now guys yeah I mean I I definitely think it's it's you know I agree I agree with kind of everybody's sentiments on the game I do I I hear the sentiments around like there's no toys there's no magical mix there's no that I wouldn't you know I think I think what's hard with these kinds of like projects um is is understanding the beginning and the end I I mean it it's like you know melin's a small team and you know for him to make what was a foam core game into this in eight months um and get it ready for Market you know they got to do software they got they don't you know they don't have they don't have a big Team guys this is this is going to be a very bespoke sort of not for everybody unique fun Whimsical pinball machine I mean I guess are magnets under the playfields I guess those are not toys I mean I don't know I think like I think when you see like what the game play is and how how the ball paths work and how the magnets grab the ball and how you know the ball can be diverted into different areas you know it's not I don't know I got to see it too I got to see it like the rest of you guys but I just know standing over that game with the theme the art the music the call outs the animations are neat they really are I've seen them I think it's G to be like a really fun sort of like throwback B Williams kind of pinball experience right I mean I I just do I do that's that's my that's my story and I'm sticking with it um look and if we see more you know I need to see more just as much as the rest of you guys yeah I mean like I'm not I'm not going to make toys materialize out of thin air I mean I see the same game you guys do it looks like a game from the 80s I don't know does it from the 80s well it definitely is meant to be more of a throwback kind of looking game for sure you're failing on cross-examination no like gang I this this to me this to me is um is exactly you know what I thought Alice was going to be when I look at you know I look at the the Zid wear game and I look at what Melvin created I I see that game in working form I I mean you know what I'm saying like it wasn't like that game had this like major Mech that's now missing targets are not are not drop targets well there's a there's a drop Target in the game there's a drop Target that's the uh the queen of hearts's soldier his head is a drop Target well like there's gonna there's gonna have to be there's gonna have to be a photo the photo is coming out today I mean sorry the photo the videoos coming out today um hold on one second G I'll be I'll be right back don't get any let's let's go through the photos again let's look at it again I know I know I know you guys I know you guys like this is like th this this like I think this game speaks to like the Zid wear J-pop fan boys which are me I I'm not gonna lie um but I know that like man some of you guys out there like it it's like you act like there's nothing in this that looks fun to shoot which I think is wrong hold on a second hold on a second I'll be right I'm I just got to take this off I'm like sweating profusely and this hold all right are we in or out on Alice what's the what's the consensus here is everybody has everybody um all right here we go sorry I was just like dying and I'm I'm still like on the meds so so if I get blamed I'll never get blamed for like Wonka hype because I I didn't say Alice was like loaded with toys you'll never see me on record saying it's loaded with toys or it's the best game ever I think it is a beautiful game um I'll tell you what I like about the game I think the game is beautiful I think the game is stunning I think the shots look really fun and I think the code with the objectives of battling all the different characters Alice meets in Wonderland um and I've seen the animation I've seen the game when you hear the music and you see the lights and you see it all come together it just looks damn fun that's it and it's sexy and there's not a lot of them and I I don't know what else to tell you like that's why I like the game um I don't want another like Keith P. Johnson 27 mini modes in Avatar kind of game like I get it like some people enjoy that I it's not for me I when I look at Alice it looks like a game game that like anyone can walk up to and enjoy playing it that's what I like I mean that's what pinball used to be um look I no way this sells out day one I mean gang I I don't know we'll see I like I can't I can't predict the way the Market's going to go right I can just tell you my feelings on the game I'm gonna get one um I don't I don't think you're going to see these things available for that long I again I think you're maybe I don't know right I mean ultimately the market will do what the market does I can't I can't dictate right now you know it's 120 uh right now people are people are well the polling here doesn't matter it doesn't matter like this right now what matters when it comes to selling this game out I'll start a poll I'm not avoiding the poll um what matters is what the people do that get hit up by the Distributors today you know and that that's going to be it that's going to be it Alice looks yeah people are saying that she's got like that like sassy look on her face wow Chris I did did you get in a deposit before DPX page crash did it crash x no let's see uh where's the order I'm like looking for the order ah I I Chris what about American pinballs pin game see when people say that like that looks like an average game I I don't buy it I don't buy it I I've been covering this hobby for 11 years like I I look I'll I'll indict a pin where in in areas where it deserves to be indicted but like an average pin I think what's hard for this one guy gang I I mean this I think what's hard for this one is like what you're comparing it to and should we compare all pins equally probably at this price right so like I'm looking at this game and I know it's 125 and you know depending on the gameplay right depending on the experience I don't know I just I just I don't think this is GNA go like down as an average pin that like but it's weird too because it's like it's meant for collectors and like a collector who wants something like this and that's that's it you know so I think what's going to be interesting about today is whether or not you know Melvin's Melvin's initial plan was to have 350 and Barry bumped it up to 500 we're gonna see today gang like I didn't make this pin I've just been hyping it uh you know because I'm excited about it because again because it's targeting someone like me who wears two watches and pink sunglasses inside I'm excited about this pen I I can't wait to get it um I I'm going to have some time before I need to pay for mine because I'm near the end of the line because I got a you know I I got an apartment to sell and I've got no room right now I got to figure out where to put the second pin I think it's going to go in the garage but man I still think there's enough pinball collectors out there where this thing is going to sell out I'm not going to bail on my my Alice no it's an well here's the thing um it's it's a $9,000 pin someone just said you know look pricing is is difficult I'll tell you right now the bomb on this game is more expensive than a Stern Le what what if I told you that like much more expensive and and that's the thing it's like I I just don't think people appreciate are are really looking at what's in this and I and I I get it like you might not want to appreciate the topper or the sculpts or the plastic ramps or the magnets in it and the you know the other features of the game full RGB RGB lit like side rails and I I the bomb is higher than a Stern in this game much higher and without an IP cost remember that so like you know I don't like I I feel like this is going to be one of those games where the collectors that this game was designed for are G to get one and be happy and everybody else is just gonna like chastise them which which is like kind of par for the pinball Community you know we're we're a very um we're we're very territorial like a game comes out and you know we have opinions about it I mean like I've got strong opinions about about this game I got strong opinions about Avatar I got and and in the end like all of our opinions are valid gang like this is not a math problem there's no right and wrong so I I mean I I wholeheartedly love all of your feedback that I'm reading right here um I know that I do know this because I live this Hobby and live social media that the person that says it's beautiful I love it will be drowned out by eight people saying they hate it and and the the people that hate things are always going to have more more attention it's just the way it goes let's see I'm just trying to read somebody comments I'm not super impressed with this game but I still completely agree with you people are not seeing it at all all the ca yeah I mean it's it's got a lot it's got a lot you know and so this is better than the 90s CL I I think gang you got to remember you got to remember like small little team made this game right this they don't have the resources they don't have the and I'm not saying this as an excuse I'm just saying like you know this is like craft pinball you you enjoy craft beer right you spend a lot more for it you this is craft pinball um and and look now you know I think now it's gonna you know I I don't know I I have no line of sight over what's happened in the last half hour with the video um I think um I think in an hour when you guys are I I've got through the same emotional Journey you guys are all going on I have I like I was like excited at first I was like well I don't know like is there much in it like is it this like like you know could the artwork have been this way like what's the you know do we need the topper and then when Melvin started talking me through the game play and and how it all works and and how there's a lot of like fun quirky things happening oh the other part I left out guys the exclusive I have for each and every one of you is that um no one else knows this so you get this here first exclusively um the all of Lor's sculpts in the game have been painted with UV Inc I I mean this this is like I'm not making this up it's all been painted with UV Inc so you can add UV lighting to this game and really go on a Trippy Alice adventure in Wonderland so I I just I I'm they didn't do it in response to Avatar it it's already been done it's just kind of funny that two games are using UV Inc at the same time to create like a a Trippy experience no there's there's not UV from the factory John it's not it's not it's not like in there now but and and Melvin's like made this game like very open source so you're going to be able to add uh you know adjust the lighting as you want he's also got op Source software in it so like if you wanted to go into this game and add you know some scenes from I don't know Johnny depps aliceon Wonderland like they're not going to they're not going to lock up the the ability for people to add stuff Allah like the way people have put in clips from you know Stern games and stuff like that well I think I've been a little bit a little bit softer on the bye bye around this game I think i' I've sort of communicated my excitement I I you know like I I think I think one day my um my fomo hype train and the product itself I think G&R like I was accurate like I I think you know G&R is still the Masterpiece on on every level uh it's a game that just will never leave my household I I think it's a game where like Jersey Jack will never make a game with theme integration that well ever again in the history of the company because slash gave them everything how's everybody do an ordering one I'm I'm curious like has anyone hold the trigger did you get because I'm not on the emails did you get an email I'm I'm curious what the what the feedback is on on your flashlight all right let's let's go to websites let's do that that's a good point let's go to Great American pinball and see if we can order one right now let me put in I love these sites let me put in oh it's one per customer I love it his deposit $50 more oh there's a processing fee yeah I think what's going to be interesting now you know if if the game doesn't sell out and and you know I the the market will do what the market does you know the the importance now of the game at Expo becomes interesting again we've only this game's only been available for 32 minutes so um you know I have NOA idea it's out of stock already I I thought I could add it to cart now it's that's I mean so like that was pretty fast gang that 50 games at Gap just went in 30 minutes that's a good sign oh that's actually interesting a bunch of people put it in their cart but haven't checked out so let's see let's go back so I think Gap at 50 here let me um Let Me by the way is is the mic better does it sound better so coin taker is not even putting it on the website because Melissa's like I I have more people that want it than then I like I'm not even gonna bother like I I have she had like 300 people interested and she had 200 games all right so people are saying that great American pinball is now gonna hold back games um because going to scout them for over all right so now we we have our beautiful feelings about Distributors and then price gouging us yeah let's air all that out while we're here um well we we all know that some dros do that right we saw that like like Jurassic Parks during Co were popping up new in box for like 19,000 so the pinball Trader site has crashed gang these seem like good signs for a sellout you know all the moping and groping let's see coint taker seems to be doing hers in order if you were asked because just on the list she guaranteed a game to those early on list if you replied within an hour so I just want to say like it's too early to call it I mean I said day one sellout and what I'm looking at now gang is one distro's website has crashed and the other is out of stock and then the other one won't even let you order it so again fomo fomo we have no video we have no this we have know that all we have is a super sexy rare pinball machine that is going to be super cool and I think a lot of the early vitriol against it y'all gonna be eating your words I telling you it's gonna sell out and like I'm you you can tell like I was a little like worried for a minute but like I the market will do what the market does if the market speaks the way I thought it was going to speak now look I I'll play Devil's Advocate if it sells out it doesn't mean it's a great game I you know what I'm saying like I haven't played it I I you should unsubscribe to me and never listen to a word I say if I tell you a game is amazing and I've never played it like then you're just in Cuckoo Land like I I need to play the game the same way like I ragged on Elton John I ragged on it I I made I made more fun of that game before playing it and then I played it and I felt like an idiot because it's amazing it it is maybe the best shooting best looking modern pinball machine of all time it just is it runs circles around Avatar it runs circles around G&R it runs circles around like like almost any game it's that good I you know you just got to want to own Elton John I don't really want to own an Elton right now but I'm happy the game exists because it's phenomenal see what's gonna happen here now is like you know fomo is interesting right the way fomo works and I've seen it for over a decade in pinball if if we don't get a sense that the demand is outpacing the supply which we don't on games like you know thousand John Wicks a thousand avatars a thousand Elton Johns like a thousand Godfathers when we know that the demand isn't even at where the manufacturer Supply is at when we know it's not there or catching up to it the problem then becomes the opposite is happening is that there's gonna always be far more Supply than demand and that's going to cause the price to keep decreasing and sometimes crash cash pretty quickly and that's why today so pivotal for Alice because if if the demand is super strong and they're locking in all these non-refundable deposits that aren't refundable until 2026 it goes to show you what's GNA happen next is the price will probably just be steady I don't think it's gonna you know not gonna no one's GNA trade them for like 20 grand that's not that kind of theme but I think you're going to see a a stable ownership of the game and I also think a lot of people are not going to want to trade out because trading back in is going to be really hard when there's only 500 forever yeah see Bill brand is gets it bill they made this game for people like you and me they made this game for posers like me who who wish they were as rich as Bill but that's who this game is made for the the collector of high quality items and the poser like me who who can afford those items but will feel it the next month Bill won't feel it I will that's who this game's made for and there's I guarantee you there are at least 500 of bills in Canadas out there there's at least 250 of each in each Camp all right so are are some people saying they never got a coin taker email uh because I I think I I was worried about coin taker's strategy here because I think Melissa's kind of like just I bet they never blasted out an email I I bet they're going like down the list all right you got Kelly got one Pros are for hoes Alice is for gentlemen um let's let's do this let's go back okay I want to go back and just like let's just look at it again I think sometimes we get very critical and we say a lot of stuff quickly but the truth is you know I really do think um I think this game is gonna um I think this game is gonna be really like really cool and I've been saying that like let's just go back and look at this thing I mean I I don't I don't know someone said this game just looks average I mean I wish this was the average looking pinball machine that we got I mean I I think this and and I say this as someone who has like a Guns and Roses CE and I've seen X-Men and I've seen Avatar I got the coin ticker email they had a list of 200 I believe they will go down the list after few people don't confirm Gap sold out while I was trying to check out does this look like an average pinball machine to you guys all right I I don't know I think it looks better than average you know what I love I mean come on guys like I I'm I'm curious how many of you if this is going to fly in the household you know what I'm saying like how many of you are your wives cool is I I really you know as I look at this layout um it reminds me a lot of J-pop right and and I think I I and I like that because there's I think there's going to be a real I think there gonna be very you know a more of a casual players game but I think these spinning discs on the sides I love I mean that looks like a pretty big pathway to get to them so like charging them up is going to be a strategic part of the game and using your reflexes to hit it um but I love you know looking at this I do love just like kind of like thinking about these shots coming off these flippers I mean think about this like you've got you've got the ball going in here now there's a can you guys see my mouse there's a see that on the left side there's a pelican or FL sorry FL there's a magnet underneath there that will grab the ball and throw it which I think is really cool then you've got the pathway up there to the left and it looks like it loops around right this game is gonna have a lot of zaniness to the shots and the ball paths that you can't quite see on this top down angle I love the shot up the middle right into the ramp I mean there's nothing more satisfying than a shot right up the middle whip it up that ramp um whip it up that ramp is going to be you know as I said it I was like I feel like people are gonna make fun of me for for this entire thing um you are you are one of the 200 names on our list for this title deposit of 1500 will be due and we will be sending out invoices as soon as DPX tells us we can send them out yeah see what's happening with coin Taker and Melissa and the allocation is is as expected is they don't know exactly how many they're going to get because I you know again because I think of that EA promise I don't know how many games like they're going to have to pull from Gap or even just from the European Distributors like there's a distributor in Europe there's one in Canada and Australia I think where's the Playfield LCD it's it's the the Playfield LCD Joe is the clock so let's show you that see it's right here first of all can we just look at this thing who someone said someone said earlier that the upper Playfield is stupid the upper Playfield is dumb all right so for someone who said that it's just the watch I I would like to um remind you guys that Isn't that cool that there's a stopwatch like an old school stopwatch I want to get to the photos that's gonna basically communicate to the player um a countdown when you're in different modes the clock is going to activate and countdown and give you that nice sense of urgency um right there on the Playfield you don't like that I like that I I but I'd rather have this than like a big tablet like Toy Story right I mean it's integrated into a sculpt I mean this is find ah it's exhausting it it's it's h it's it's exhausting because on one front you know there's thousands of new and box pinball buyers right every year and and there's only going to be 500 of these and they're all going to sell today I mean it's just again I I don't know what to tell you you're buying it for the wrong reasons dream theme nope haven't ever seen it shoot well Flippin ball amusements let me tell you something who are you to tell me what my reasons are what do why do my reasons for wanting this game have to be the same as your reasons do I need to have the same reasons as you am I wrong if my reasons are to have a rare work of pinball art that is playable and highly addictive and fun is am I not allowed to have something where I don't want to have something that everybody else has you know that I I do find there to be a level of um oh okay well wrong reasons for you well that's fine that's fine then we're cool again um but yeah everyone's got different reasons totally like I get it like Different Strokes for different folks I get it guy like I'm going to tell you right now Cody that this game is gonna shoot fun it you know what Cody I don't have to play this game to tell you that it's gonna be fun to shoot because it's a fan layout and you know I know everything in it Melvin walked me through all the different ways the ball goes and all the different like things like it it sounds really fun like I'd be shocked I'd be shocked if Barry and Melvin and everyone over at Dutch pinball has had this game in development for a year and it's not fun to play I'd be shocked okay all right the tail the trailer is dropping in 10 minutes how about this how about we stay on here and we watch the trailer together and we hold hands and you know we remind each other to flush after going to the bathroom today how about we do that together um well here's the thing gang if you got Melissa's test email I think she's struggling with the demand 45 available on pinball Traders website so wait what happened with pinball Trader I thought they were sold out let's go back how how did 45 become available like they they only sold five there's no way that's I I think pinball Traders is having trouble they're not used to this uh let's see I'm on pinball Traders website new pinball let's see he's got 45 in stock uh oh maybe maybe he was slow yeah you're right but that just leads me to believe that he um he just got his aot man and hit go on this but for those of you who are interested um here's the um if if you don't want to wait for Melissa to get back to you there you go well let's watch it right let's watch it because he's um he's got the number there I like that we can keep refreshing it and see if it goes down 45 in stock it's still 45 nobody's buying nobody's buying wait so like why do you have to be the on the list can't you just click that link with pinball Traders and buy it that this the site number isn't valid he has he had his original 50 what kind of business is that like he's going to cancel your order if you're not on the list then just shut down the list if you sold all right so I think I've been validated a little bit you mofos this game is sold out this game is selling out as we speak this is what a sellout looks like and y'all made me feel bad like a half hour ago I was in hype mode and you're like game's ugly game's got no toys in it no one's going to buy it like neck neck and then like so that so that so that so sold out sold out sold out sold out we got one dude over here who like is taking orders he can't even fulfill so he's canceling orders we got another distributor who's out of stock and then we got another distributor That was supposed to blast email everybody a chance to get the game first come first serve and they haven't sent out the email so they they can't they can't fulfill the demand so it's sold out I actually I don't know if it's sold out um but let's let's wait for the video and let's see the video together like I I I'm worried about this video because I know it's not going to be amazing and I don't mean the gameplay I mean I know it's not going to be like a $100,000 Deep dive like Jersey after J Jersey Jack spent a hundred grand on that video I mean it shows it was amazing but man like damn like I'd hate to follow that with this video where about to see but uh I hope it's just like Barry like kind of drunk like what you got Melvin what the hell you been working on all these months all right I'm filming it you know like they should just go as like lowii as possible I think that'd be the best way to do it oh look it's selling out now now when people get locked out who they going to come who who they going to come crawling to to try to get one I'll tell you who can's pinball podcast because I might have one for one of my fans I might have like I might have had them hold one for one of my fans because I love my fan base I could just look at this all day long I don't even want to play Pinball just want to walk look at this who needs to play Pinball when you've got look I love this lit up arm oh so good flippers gonna flip let's see the armor I don't know if I can zoom in anymore can't zoom in anymore it's got that Al phrase on it yeah but gang guess what a flipper is not going to flip it for for 125 I I never I never charge more than the game is worth when I give it to a canadi club member so just just keep that in mind if you think you're getting this game for 125 and it sells out in an hour you're you're out of your mind this is this might even be selling out faster Than pul Fiction Elli ah I I love today like this is fun like I wish every Monday in the pinball world was like this because it's normally not so where do they say they're dropping this this trailer does anyone know what about the all black apron you want to go to that I'll tell you why he did the all black apron which also if you don't like it customize it it is like the easiest thing to customize so the reason he did this and I kind of get it is he wanted you'll hear it when we talk to Melvin but he really wanted it to feel like you know she's entering into Wonderland and like everything's in front you know sort of like in front of the flippers is where all the Wonder is and not have like distractions below there now remember in J-pop game this was just stainless steel there was nothing on Zid wear but I think you know I think this will be um will be this lights up though so the the Queen of Hearts imagery in the middle here that all lights up and I think that glowing red while the whole game is lit up is going to be really cool the original concept had nice apron art did it let's art oh I see what you're saying it did have like the uh the alyses well that's like you know really it kind of had like like the logo here and like some Vines here well look I gang I'm not um I'm not gonna say that apron art is really important um you know again this is the kind of thing where it's magnetic where if the mod Community wants to add art here super simple it's all magnetized one so are people buying from pinbal Traders and you're not really sure you're going to get it is that what's happening now like they're gonna like even though it says 41 in stock he these are backups that he might refund people is every is is all metal magnetized John is that accurate I I wasn't I wasn't sure that all metals magnetized I don't I don't think you'd want a sculpted apron I think that's too much I I um yeah I I I'm glad someone brought up this point is Dutch has like 5,000 followers on Facebook and Stern's got a 100,000 and if Dutch can sell 500 games in in you know in an hour or a day bravo bravo yeah back to the future gang is like earliest is the unveil will be Expo next year um I I really you know it's not like they've got a huge team developing it while they're making all these Labowski one minute for the trailer Hector where is the trailer going to be because I'll screen share and we'll go there does anyone know where the trailer is going to drop I'm assuming it's going to be on their Facebook page so let me pull that up right now it's just fun to see another game on Dutch Pinball's Facebook page you know like it's been Labowski for a decade this game really does photograph well I I really do think it it looks sexy AF but um okay so two o'clock is that when they when when it's dropping so I'm just kind of surfing around here yeah we need a big full Playfield HD image I I think I've got that hold I think I I don't know in oh hold on I have to play it I have to play it in Facebook Hold on you know no no I don't hold on upop screen sharing this screen share all right I don't know if you're going to be able to hear this but let's do this heads get out get out I don't understand why they don't just have like you you Canan you can see the magnet there I know just Gods Gods who stole the multi they're all mad yeah have you ever played pinball before I I they needed to have like a like you needed to be able to see the ball go from Flipper to the top of the blade okay again I I knew the video was not gonna be good but oh my gosh you know like I I don't time for Hello Goodbye very Zid wear very very zidar um not not a video I would have released I'm just going to say that like you can't show a video and not have the ball go from Flipper up to things like it's just like like when no one here is confused on whether or not the flippers work that that was bad okay so um I I don't yeah that there there's no way else around it and and the reason why like I'm like what what was that like it wasn't even like the game being played it was just Quick Cuts Melvin fire whoever did your video production on this thing like you've gotta guys you got to get better at that like that's ridiculous like you you got to know how to shoot the very product you're selling no and like that's what I'm saying if the the game the I don't you don't even get a sense of gameplay you know you get no otherwise just release a animations uh you know video of the of the animations and some of the music but like what was that like it's just like I you know even like I don't I don't know have like the description come up when you're seeing something and describing you know the environments I told this to Melvin last night I was like if the video is not good and you don't have good video Don't launch video I I that was my advice I was like it's not it's not beneficial if you launch video that doesn't showcase like the fun of the game I mean it's just there's no other way around it uh yeah well see that's the thing is like Skippy is like Skippy said you're probably not seen against because it's not good I I don't I don't I don't know like no they didn't even show like the ball go up the ramp and loop around which is which it does like that's the thing it's like I I don't get it like I don't get it I don't get it's gota it's got to have you know it's got to have flow more than that like we didn't even see anything I um yeah it was like the voices were the only thing that you remember well look it's that video is still not going to change people's minds it's still going to sell out today and I think the um you know I think Expo is going to be the moment like I think Melvin will get to Expo sold out game and you know now the weight begins and the weight's going to be pretty significant for most people right around 10 games a week starting in January um I it's going to be one of those games where you have your deposit in you look forward to getting it right but you know there's going to be a lot of pinball that comes out between now and you getting your Alice but I still think the people that want an ALICE who know what it is are going to be fine with that it's it's hard for us because again as I said this all along with this game is like there's no real this hasn't really happened in the pinball Market we don't really know you know no one's ever tried to really do this successfully or even done it in general so like we're not used to this it's like only 500 bespoke small run like high-end pinball machine or you know aiming to be high-end with a high bomb and a lot of stuff like I mean it's the same prices this game basically you know with the topper and everything this game is the same price as Labyrinth you do understand that right I mean given Labyrinth has a licensed theme and has more like emotional draw because of that but it's like basically the same price it's so funny like now now the video drops and spots open up I love it I love watching this like this is this is why marketing matters and it's why I told I I told them if you don't have a good video don't drop it because you know at least leave the day with a sense of mystery of what gameplay is like and here's the thing people I don't even get a sense of what the gameplay is like from that video and I don't get a sense that's it's bad I don't get a sense that it's good all I pull away from that video is call outs that's it I I do not get a sense how much is Labyrinth with the topper nobody would give this game the time of day without the leor scops I don't know I think you guys are being way too harsh I really do um again because I think if you look at what this game is trying to be and it's not trying to be another X-Men another Avatar it's not trying to be you know a licensed game but yeah no I mean look I as I said gang I didn't make the game I've been looking at this game I'm glad now everybody has has seen it um the the fomo train is left the station the feelings on this game over the next 48 to 72 hours are going to go all over the place they are and you know we're going to get more opinions from Expo you know I I kind of love it now like we we we're kind of in this situation where this game is going to sell out the video was atrocious atrocious video does not get me excited about the game I never would have dropped that video um I would have sent a game to you know a streamer to figure out a way to Showcase it you know what I'm saying like I so now it's like Expo is going to be the next moment in which you know you kind of can show people what what is the game because that was not giving me any sense of what is the game but it won't matter because it'll still sell out and that will annoy a lot of people that that something can just sell out and you know not really have Derek it didn't look epic brother I I don't Derek come on I love you Derek but like don't be delusional let's go back and look at it again it just it was it was this is a not a great Gameplay Al wow that's magic like right there like you don't even get to Off With Their Heads I don't want to watch anything get out get out get out we should have got jenas on call outs for sa I know you just a pretty face Gods God got I am the did we even see where the ball went there like m that like oh my have you ever played pinball before okay um yeah no no you know I'm still getting my game I just I just um I I just I don't think that video like gives you any sense of anything other than like call out and the animations are cool I mean I I like them kind of Harry Potter font going on there right no no here I I think I I don't I don't think they get gave themselves I don't think that video gives anyone anything to discuss when it comes to gameplay and and to me that's that's a problem you know I I'll say to you I'll say it to Melvin like you can't release a a game you know you can't lose touch with the fact that pinball is a game right so you can't release game like the game being played for the first time like that's the first gameplay footage the World's Gonna See and you see absolutely no game being played and you know it shouldn't be so hard right like what are the three or four to five most dynamic shots in this game and let's show them as the as they would be like that if that's hard to capture then as someone was saying then it makes people feel like they're not even in the game like there is no there is no shot to show that's fun or rewarding and I know that's not the case but you didn't show it so now all we've got is this and I know it's a Reveal video but you know like you're asking people for $122,500 commitment right with a deposit that's non-refundable for a year you got to show more you just got to show more you should have shown more you should you had enough time like you should have shown more all right we've been on now for over two hours gang I'm going to go get some lunch I encourage each and every one of you to do um and let's can we can we take it from there does that sound good gang and I'm I feel like my pain meds are wearing off um I'm going to go get a little food and I just want to say thank you guys for hanging out sorry the sound was a little choppy um it's always fun to do this and as you know i i hyped this thing not as bad as Wonka I don't think this is nearly as like bad as people think though either uh I don't actually think it's that bad I I think for what it is I think it's going to be a really fun game I do think that they haven't given us a good video I think the art package is Stellar um and now and now I think it's going to come down to like what does this game make you feel when you play it does it have like personality does it have you know does it get you excited like are the modes fun like we we don't know anything but on just an I I mean this on just an aesthetic the existence of Alice in this package with just 500 ever I think that's going to be uh a sellout yes people are going to flip spots absolutely like yes you'll be able to wait and see and pick one up do think you'll be able to get one for less than 125 no I do not I do not I don not right do I think people are going to flip these for a two to 3,000 to five 2,000 or more like profit no I do not not right now not right now it's just not that kind of world anymore like you know we just don't live in a pinball world where where things can just be like hovering around 15 grand or 13 15 grand there's there's just too much you're just getting you know all these pinball companies are diving into our wallets for this much money it's too much like so you know again I think this is targeting a very specific buyer I think to that buyer they've seen all they need to to make up their mind I think everyone else is going to think it's stupid and I think that's okay it's okay to have all this variety okay everybody be good have fun today a lot of conversation will happen around this game I'll do a podcast maybe later today when the hype train is the hype Train derailed like that'll be the theme I want to see by the end of the day like if this game sells out and I want that to sort of guide a little bit um the discussion that happens around this game later today everybody thank you we we'll talk soon I'm glad you appreciate the show I appreciate it all of you hanging out with me for a couple hours later _(Acquisition: youtube_auto_sub, Enrichment: v3)_ --- *Exported from Journalist Tool on 2026-04-13 | Item ID: d62891a5-bfe3-4f82-a16e-58229491a2d9*