# Episode 737: "Why 2023 Will Be a Crazy Pin Year"

**Source:** Kaneda's Pinball Podcast (Patreon feed)  
**Type:** podcast_episode  
**Published:** 2022-11-01  
**Duration:** 20m 37s  
**Beat:** Pinball

**URL:** https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-737-why-74080946

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## Analysis

Kaneda discusses why 2023 will be pivotal for pinball, arguing that manufacturers face a critical test of whether their games can justify dramatically increased pricing (now $13,000-$15,000+). He predicts James Bond will launch with incomplete code, creating tension with the unrevealed Keith Elwin machine (limited to 500 units), and expects distributors to face inventory pressure if consumer demand doesn't materialize at these premium price points. The core tension is whether games have sufficient 'magic' to warrant prices that have doubled since previous generations.

### Key Claims

- [HIGH] James Bond will release with incomplete code, similar to Stranger Things, but will improve over time with updates — _We all know the code is not going to be complete...most of the time, when Sam Stern has made you wait a long time for completed code, they've delivered._
- [HIGH] Keith Elwin's unrevealed game will be limited to only 500 units, making it far more collectible than James Bond LE (1,000 units) — _Only 500 ever of a Keith Elwynn pinball machine, that's 250 less than there are Rick and Mortys in the world. That's less than TNAs in the world._
- [MEDIUM] Stern is deliberately stalling Keith Elwin game reveal to lock in James Bond LE purchases before showing the more desirable alternative — _I think they're going to want to lock in all of these Elite James Camerons Avatar Limited Edition version of Star Wars game purchases...make these thousand people pay up before they even show the Keith Elwynn game._
- [HIGH] James Bond launch has failed to generate strong community hype and dealers can now easily acquire LE units at MSRP — _Every week that goes on, I just feel people are less and less excited about James Bond's pinball...it's kind of easy to go get an James Camerons Avatar Limited Edition now at MSRP._
- [HIGH] Distributors will face severe inventory problems in 2023 because current pricing ($13k-$15k) has shrunk the buyer base — _Distributors are going to be left holding the bag...the more you charge for these The Games, the less potential customers you have._
- [HIGH] Spooky Pinball will NOT delay their next game and will reveal it within the next few months, contrary to rumors — _Spooky Pinball would never, ever make a mistake like this and stop running machines. They will be done with all the TNA builds by the end of the year. And then something else has to go on the line._
- [HIGH] Current pinball prices have doubled from historical levels ($7,500-$8,000 to $13,000-$15,000) without corresponding increase in game 'magic' — _The prices have never been this high And...the magic has almost never been lower in pinball...The The Games that came out last year were just underwhelming, and yet they were the most expensive pinball has ever been._

### Notable Quotes

> "Why would I walk away at this pivotal moment in pinball?"
> — **Kaneda**, early
> _Core thesis: 2023 is a critical inflection point where manufacturers must prove games justify premium pricing_

> "Now pinball machines are worth more than secondhand Rolexes."
> — **Kaneda**, early
> _Market observation that pinball has become a high-value collectible category comparable to luxury watches_

> "I think they've overpriced it. I really do mean it. I think they've overpriced it."
> — **Kaneda**, mid
> _Direct prediction of manufacturer misstep in pricing strategy_

> "Distributors are going to be left holding the bag...sitting on six and seven figures worth of pinball inventory in 2023 because the demand is going to dry up at these prices."
> — **Kaneda**, mid
> _Prediction of downstream market failure cascading from high LE/Premium pricing_

> "At these prices, it needs to be like Top Gun, Karate Kid. It needs to be stuff that has more mass appeal."
> — **Kaneda**, late
> _Criticism that non-AAA themes cannot command $13k+ pricing; only broad-appeal licenses justify premium cost_

> "The entire market has never been this high. The prices have never been this high. And...the magic has almost never been lower."
> — **Kaneda**, late
> _Core tension: maximum pricing meets minimum game quality, creating market instability_

### Entities

| Name | Type | Context |
|------|------|---------|
| Kaneda | person | Host of Kaneda's Pinball Podcast; pinball analyst making 2023 market predictions |
| Ed Robertson | person | Owner of Supreme Pinball; frequent reference/pushback throughout episode |
| Keith Elwin | person | Stern Pinball designer; has an unrevealed game limited to 500 units launching in 2023 |
| George Gomez | person | Stern Pinball executive/designer; mentioned regarding potential Keith Elwin game reveal timing |
| Gary Stern | person | CEO of Stern Pinball; referenced as 'Sam Stern' (transcription error); strategy architect for 2023 pricing |
| Steve Ritchie | person | Designer of 2025 Star Wars pinball; criticized for game quality vs. pricing |
| Ben Heck | person | Designer working on Spooky Pinball game for late 2023 (post-Scooby-Doo) |
| Christopher Franchi | person | Artist whose work is expected on American Pinball's upcoming game |
| Dennis Nordman | person | Designer of American Pinball's upcoming game announcement expected in coming months |
| Jeremy Packer | person | Artist providing art package for Venom pinball machine |
| Stern Pinball | company | Major manufacturer; focus of pricing criticism and strategy analysis for 2023 launches |
| Jersey Jack Pinball | company | Premium manufacturer; criticized for unsustainable Godfather pricing strategy at $15,000 |
| Spooky Pinball | company | Boutique manufacturer; will reveal next game within months and finish TNA production by year-end |
| American Pinball | company | Boutique manufacturer with upcoming game featuring Dennis Nordman design and Christopher Franchi artwork |
| James Bond | game | Stern Pinball 2022-2023 release; incomplete code, weak launch reception, expected November/December shipping |
| Venom | game | Unrevealed Stern Pinball game; predicted to price at $13,000-$14,500 despite non-AAA theme |
| TNA | game | Spooky Pinball current production game; will finish shipping by end of 2023 |
| Scooby-Doo | game | Spooky Pinball game; next game from Ben Heck comes after Scooby-Doo in production timeline |
| Godzilla | game | Stern Pinball reference point; priced at $10,500 with high 'magic' value; used as pricing comparison |
| Legends of Valhalla | game | American Pinball game; 500 units ordered at $8,400 that cannot be resold at that price point |
| Stranger Things | game | Stern Pinball reference title; received poor initial reception but improved over time with code updates |
| Toy Story | game | Jersey Jack Pinball game referenced as example of game lacking 'magic' despite premium pricing |
| Star Wars | game | Stern Pinball license; multiple versions possible; 2025 version by Steve Ritchie criticized; suggests potential remakes of prequels/originals |
| Supreme Pinball | company | Pinball distribution/retail company owned by Ed Robertson |

### Topics

- **Primary:** Pricing strategy and market sustainability, James Bond pinball launch reception and incomplete code, Keith Elwin machine reveal timing and scarcity strategy, Distributor inventory risk and cash flow pressure, Game 'magic' (design quality) vs. pricing mismatch
- **Secondary:** Spooky Pinball production timeline and next game reveal, American Pinball's upcoming game and competitive positioning, Collector behavior and FOMO-driven purchasing decisions

### Sentiment

**Mixed** (0.45) — Kaneda expresses excitement about 2023 as a 'pivotal moment' but is fundamentally critical of manufacturer pricing strategy. He predicts market strain and distributor hardship but frames it as intellectually interesting to observe. Not bearish on pinball's future, but skeptical of current economics. Opens and closes with passionate defense of continued podcast despite rumored listener criticism.

### Signals

- **[business_signal]** Distributor cash flow crisis predicted as inventory buildup from unsold high-priced games restricts purchasing capacity for future titles (confidence: high) — distributors are going to be sitting on six and seven figures worth of pinball inventory in 2023 because the demand is going to dry up at these prices...when Sam Stern has their next James Camerons Avatar Limited Edition, are you going to order them?
- **[competitive_signal]** Non-AAA themes (Venom, He-Man, Foo Fighters) cannot command $13,000+ pricing without significant gameplay 'magic'; only broad-appeal licenses justify premium costs (confidence: high) — Unless you have a AAA theme, you're not going to be able to move units at these prices...you can't price Venom the same as James Bond
- **[licensing_signal]** Top Gun and Karate Kid cited as examples of themes with 'mass appeal' necessary to justify $13,000+ pricing; suggests licensing strategy should favor nostalgic/broad properties (confidence: medium) — At these prices, it needs to be like Top Gun, Karate Kid. It needs to be stuff that has more mass appeal.
- **[market_signal]** James Bond launch failed to generate strong community hype; reveal and launch reception characterized as 'weird' with declining enthusiasm week-over-week (confidence: high) — I just feel like some people are excited, some people are not. The launch wasn't very good...Every week that goes on, I just feel people are less and less excited about James Bond's pinball
- **[market_signal]** Doubling of pinball prices ($7,500-$8,000 to $13,000-$15,000) without corresponding game quality increase signals market vulnerability (confidence: high) — The prices have never been this high And...the magic has almost never been lower in pinball
- **[market_signal]** James Bond LE available at MSRP from dealers, indicating weak primary demand and potential inventory overhang (confidence: high) — it's kind of easy to go get an James Camerons Avatar Limited Edition now at MSRP
- **[announcement]** American Pinball game with Dennis Nordman design and Christopher Franchi artwork expected to be announced within next few months; priced below $13,000 to compete on value (confidence: medium) — American Pinball's game with Dennis personal...Christopher Christopher Franchi's artwork is going to be insanely good...if you give us something exciting and it's not $13,000 or $15,000, I think they're going to start to attract people
- **[product_strategy]** Spooky Pinball next game will be revealed within months as single-theme project with expanded coding team; faster development than Halloween/Ultraman due to less divided resources (confidence: medium) — It's only going to be one theme and they've hired more people to do the coding. So they're not going to have to divide their efforts like they did with Halloween and Ultraman.
- **[product_concern]** James Bond launch characterized as incomplete and weak; predicted to improve over time through code updates (similar to Stranger Things trajectory) (confidence: high) — We all know the code is not going to be complete...Do I think I would want one right now? No...A year from now, I think this game is going to be great
- **[product_strategy]** Spooky Pinball will complete TNA builds by end of 2023 and launch new game (likely late 2023); contradicts rumors of delayed reveal pending code completion (confidence: high) — Spooky Pinball would never, ever make a mistake like this and stop running machines. They will be done with all the TNA builds by the end of the year. And then something else has to go on the line.
- **[sentiment_shift]** Community sentiment has shifted from 2022 enthusiasm to 2023 skepticism regarding game quality and pricing justification (confidence: high) — The The Games that came out in 2022, they just weren't magical...and yet they were the most expensive pinball has ever been
- **[business_signal]** Stern appears to be strategically delaying Keith Elwin game reveal to maximize James Bond LE pre-orders before disclosure of more desirable alternative (confidence: medium) — I think they're going to want to lock in all of these Elite James Camerons Avatar Limited Edition version of Star Wars game purchases...make these thousand people pay up before they even show the Keith Elwynn game

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## Transcript

 I'm just looking down at my cell phone and five minutes ago Ed Ed Robertson told me to hang it up. I'm not enjoying it anymore. Here's my response to Ed. We're not going anywhere. We need to see $15,000 terms. Need a six-twippy. You ready for a Canadian Pinball Podcast? I never thought I could act this way and I've got to say that I just don't get it. I don't know where we went wrong, but the feeling's gone and I just can't get it back. Oh, we're not going anywhere, Mr. Ed Ed Robertson. Welcome to Canada's Pinball Podcast. We're going to get right to the point. Why would I go anywhere? This is going to be the most exciting year in pinball because 2023 is going to be the year in which we're going to see if all of these companies' bets work out. And I'm super excited. I mean, we've been following this hobby now for how many years, Ed? How many years, John at Jack Bar? And this is it. Like, we are at the crossroads of all of it. This is where all of the momentum has been pushing. This is where all the enthusiasm has been headed. Now we are at a point where pinball machines are worth more than secondhand Rolexes. And why would we go anywhere when we are now all going to bear witness to whether or not the pinball companies can deliver the magic for these prices? Why would I ever walk away at this pivotal moment in pinball? Here's what we're going to talk about. I'm going to give you my predictions of where pinball I think is going to go in 2023. I'm going to tell you how I think we're going to close out the year. And I think it's going to be one of the most interesting, one of the most entertaining years in all of pinball because now these companies have to battle it out, right? You have to give the magic or you're not going to have the successes. And look, we can all be famous rock stars. Ed, I love you to death. Thank you for tuning in to Canada's Pinball Podcast. So here's how I think the year is going to end. The year is going to end with James Bond coming out and getting its way into consumer hands. Now look, we all know the code is not going to be complete. We all know that Lonnie's not as good as Lime and Sheets. This game looks like a game that is shaping up a lot like Stranger Things. A year from now, I think this game is going to be great. Right now, do I think this game is going to be great? No. Do I think I would want one right now? No. I just don't want an incomplete Stern machine. Now look, Stern has done this many times, and most of the time, right, most of the time, When Stern has made you wait a long time for completed code, they've delivered. So look, I wouldn't be worried that this game is not going to be great one day. It's just not going to be great in 2022. But here's the dilemma, and this is what I'm witnessing right now. It's really weird that they're holding back the Keith Elwin game like this. I think holding back the Elwin game is creating a real conundrum for all these LE buyers out there because think about it. If you're a collector, which machine do you want in your collection? Of course, you're going to want the Elwin machine with only 500. By nature, it is far more collectible than a James Bond LE by George Gomez because not only are there a thousand of those, they're also going to make thousands of James Bond premiums. But the Elwynn machine, only 500 ever of a Keith Elwin pinball machine, that's 250 less than there are Rick and Mortys in the world. That's less than TNAs in the world. So this is going to be one of the most sought after games, right? And when I say it like that, all the hype starts to come back for that title. But here's the problem. You've got a thousand people that are collectors about to shell out 14.5 with tax and shipping on a James Bond LE they now know is not going to be the one everyone wants to collect. And they don't know what the Elwynn game is. They don't know how much money it is. And the last thing these people want to do is feel like they need to buy both. Because then they're going to be in for like $28,000, maybe $30,000 for both games, right? It's just sounding crazy. And why would I walk away now? It is going to be so fun to watch Stern Pinball usher this game out there. And I'll tell you who doesn't have to try to get one of them, our good friend Mr. Ed Ed Robertson, owner of Supreme Pinball. Ed, how did you get that Supreme? And are you really enjoying the Supreme, Ed? You should really sell it. Donate the profits to Kaneda We going to have a lot of fun on this episode I can feel it right now So this is going to be the end of the year with James Bond coming out And I think the Elwynn launch is going to create such a conversation and such a debate But doesn it feel like Stern is stalling? Because here's what I think they're doing. I think they're going to want to lock in all of these Ellie purchases. Here's what I think. I think they're going to get the Ellie's on the line and make these thousand people pay up before they even show the Keith Elwin game. That is what I am predicting. Now look, George Gomez said they were going to share it this week, and I think they should. I do think they should. I think they should show it. I think they should give everybody all the information they need to know which game they want to buy, because Stern's smart. They know it would be a PR crisis if they didn't show the Elwynn pin before they took all the orders for the LEs. But ultimately, this whole experiment, right? If you were just to think about, is this whole James Bond launch creating good vibes within the community? Or has it divided the community? Has it created no real hype? Is the hype dead? I think the James Bond launch is just really weird. I just feel like some people are excited, some people are not. The launch wasn't very good. The reveal wasn't very good. It's like every week that goes on, I just feel people are less and less excited about James Bond's pinball. And I'm also hearing that it's kind of easy to go get an LE now at MSRP. So look, dealers are going to be stuck with these games. And I think this is the part. This is the part that's going to make 2023 so interesting. If James Bond is showing distributors and dealers and consumers that the response to that kind of juggernaut theme at $13,000 is starting to wear people down a little bit, If that game's not going to command $13,000, how the heck are you going to try to sell Venom at $13,000? How are you going to sell He-Man at $13,000? How are you going to sell Foo Fighters at $13,000? Unless you have a AAA theme, you're not going to be able to move units at these prices. And this is what's going to be so interesting about 2023. What will these pinball companies do? Will they lower the price? Right? Jersey Jack Pinball cannot sell you a Godfather for $15,000. There is nobody who is going to wake up and want to spend $15,000 on a Godfather collector's edition. So what are they going to do? Are they going to lower the price? Are they going to re-theme it? I don't know. See, this is the thing. I think the end of this year is going to be defined by James Bond. All right? The game is going to come out in November, December. I think Spooky Pinball, there's a rumor now Spooky Pinball is not going to reveal their game until the latter half of 2023 so they can get the code right. That is not accurate. The game Ben Heck is working on is the game after Scooby-Doo. I think he might be doing a little stuff with Scooby-Doo, but when Ben Heck said he's working on a spooky machine for late 2023, he's not talking about Spooky's next game. Spooky Pinball would never, ever make a mistake like this and stop running machines. They will be done with all the TNA builds by the end of the year. And then something else has to go on the line. They're not going to have nothing on the line while they work on the code for eight months. Why would they do that? And Spooky knows they don't need the game to be complete. They just need the game to be further along than it was with Halloween and Ultraman. And guess what? It's absolutely going to be further along because this time it's only going to be one theme and they've hired more people to do the coding. So they're not going to have to divide their efforts like they did with Halloween and Ultraman. So I fully expect Spooky Pinball to reveal their next game in the next few months. So we're going to see that. We're also going to see American Pinball's game with Dennis Nordman in the next few months. So that's going to be exciting. A lot of people are now starting to look at American Pinball and say, hey, if you fully feature a game and you pack it and Christopher Franchi's artwork is going to be insanely good. If you give us something exciting and it's not $13,000 or $15,000, I think they're going to start to attract people who just want a different pinball experience. See, the big battleground in 2023 is going to be this. It's really going to be this. Will Stern Pinball and Jersey Jack Pinball's bet on price work out? That is going to be the number one defining thing in pinball in 2023. And my prediction is this. I think they've overpriced it. I really do mean it. I think they've overpriced it. And I think what's going to happen is this. Distributors are going to be left holding the bag. because in the past, when a Stern LE was like $7,500 or $8,000, the reason why it was so beneficial for Stern to see those games go up in value on the secondhand market is for a few reasons right Is they were passing the value on to the customers But the goal of those 500 LEs was to get more pros and premiums sold to customers right And it worked perfectly well. For so many years, it worked perfectly well. And distributors would get their allotment of LEs, and then they would move the premiums and the pros. But to get those LEs, they had to commit to buying a certain number of premiums and pros. Here's where I think distributors have to be nervous. Because now that there are a thousand LEs and they are this much money, the buyer base for those LEs actually starts to shrink. Because the more you charge for these games, the less potential customers you have. And if the theme is not a home run and there's not a lot of demand for a game, every game has to be successful to move the other inventory. Because think about it. If you're a distributor right now, do you really want to try to sell people on $9,700 premiums? $9,700 premiums that you're going to tell a person after taxes, you got to now write me a check for a premium for $10,500. Like that's a hard sell. It was much easier to sell people premiums when they were $7,000 or $7,500. People haven't forgotten this. So there's this huge portion of this population in pinball who remembers when these games were priced in a way that made them feel good about buying them. And that's the thing now is like pinball has shifted into this realm now where it's become more of a really wealthy person's flex. And that's not good. Like it's not good. It's happening in the watch industry. It's happening in the pinball industry. It's happening in the car industry. You know, the only people benefiting from this are the people who bought in at the right time. And the people cashing out are the ones who are laughing all the way to the bank. Because look, we all know this. It's not going to last forever. It's not going to last forever. Is it going to be over in 2023? Are we going to see a bubble pop? I don't think so. You know, we always talk about the pinball bubble. But what I think is going to happen is this. I think the competition is going to be so fierce in 2023 for sales. I think distributors are going to get stuck with inventory they don't want. You got to remember, there were 500 people that ordered, mostly distributors, who ordered 500 Legends of Valhalla that they needed to sell for $8,400. They're not selling 500 of those games for $8,400. Now those distributors who have that inventory are going to be asked to buy the Dennis Nordman game. These distributors who are buying a thousand Stern LEs are now going to buy how many thousands of premiums of James Bond? And then they're going to go have to buy thousands of Venoms and He-Mans and Foo Fighters. It's just going to be this snowball effect where distributors are going to be sitting on six and seven figures worth of pinball inventory in 2023 because the demand is going to dry up at these prices. And then what happens? Imagine this. You're a distributor. You're sitting on all this inventory. What's the one thing you can't do? Order more inventory. And so when Stern has their next LE, are you going to order them? Are you going to ask for your allotment? Because if you ask for it, you're going to have to guarantee you're going to take more premiums and more pros of each title. Ed, the reason why this show is not going away is this is going to be the most exciting year to witness all of this. There's only two ways this can go. The games have to be magical to warrant these kinds of prices, or it's going to be brutal. Like it's going to be a brutal year for distributors, and they're going to have to start selling games at a discount. If you think about a pinball dealership, I'm going to use a cargument. Like a car dealership, what happens with last year's car model? A dealership has to normally put it on sale to move it off the lot. We've never seen that in pinball. We've seen these distributors keep these games at MSRP or charge us more. We've never seen them have to put games on sale. But you're telling me that a thousand dealers out there who order Toy Story Collectors editions, you're telling me that there is a home for each of those games at $15,000? Of course there's not. Of course there is not. And so as this unfolds, it's going to be so much fun for each and every one of us to just pivot, step on the sideline a little bit, and watch this whole marketplace shake itself out. It's going to work out. like the market will correct itself. And I think it's going to be one of those years. I think everybody, right? Consumers like you and me, collectors like you and me, players like you and me, manufacturers and distributors and operators, everyone is going to be watching what happens because the entire market has never been this high The prices have never been this high And as I just showed you in my previous show the magic has almost never been lower in pinball I mean when you look at the games that came out in 2022, they just weren't magical. Ed, this is not me being negative. This is not me stepping away. Ed, the show is like just for you. It's not me saying this. The games that came out last year were just underwhelming, and yet they were the most expensive pinball has ever been. And as those two opposing forces collide, it's quite clear that something has to change in pinball. They either need to put more magic into the games and less LCD screens like in Toy Story, or they're going to have to lower the price if they don't have the magic. And if a theme is not a AAA theme, you can't charge as much for a B theme as an A theme. Like, I understand why Jersey Jack priced Toy Story where they did. The game just didn't have the magic. But you can't price Venom the same as James Bond. Stern is going to do it. They are absolutely going to do it. It's going to have a beautiful zombie yeti art package. It's going to have a cool mech in it. But do you really want to spend $14,500 on a Venom. On a Venom, as a grown man, do you wake up every day and lust after a Venom pinball machine? No. At these prices, it needs to be like Top Gun, Karate Kid. It needs to be stuff that has more mass appeal. I think they need to make another Star Wars game. Like, why can't they make a new Star Wars game? Make a Rogue One Star Wars game that's incredible. Or how about this? How about make the prequels and make it incredible? Or how about make the original three but actually make it a good game this time? Not what Steve Ritchie put out there. Because are you telling me you're not allowed to go back and remake a game again? They've made multiple Star Wars video games. Why can't we remake Star Wars in pinball? Why is it? Is this it? Is this all we're ever going to get? Is the Steve Ritchie version of Star Wars, right? There's just so much out there that could be incredible. And I can't wait to see what they do. Imagine if I did what the pinball companies are doing. Imagine if Canadian Pinball Podcast said, now everyone has to spend $10 instead of $5 a month. And for you guys who donate $10 a month, thank you very much. I really do appreciate it. But if I doubled my prices, guess what would happen to my subscriber base, right? It's the new month. It's November 1st. I'm already gonna lose like 10 to 15 people. Every new month when people get their bill, I always lose a handful of people, but they'll come back because no other show gives you podcasts like this in like 25 minutes. But if I doubled my prices, I would lose half of my subscribers, maybe more. So why is it in pinball now that they've doubled the prices of everything? We're all just like, well, you know, I'm happy to see them making so much money and getting so much money from me. No, that is not how people feel. And it's not that these things are grossly overpriced, right? Like an LE right now, when you look at inflation, an LE right now should cost what Godzilla cost. It should cost $10,500. And an LE should have what Godzilla has in it. That game's amazing, right? And that's what people want. They'll spend about $10,000 or $11,000, but everyone just took the price too high. Everybody knows it. Everybody knows it. And if I'm a dealer, I have to be nervous. Even though more people are coming into this hobby, more people are going to be leaving it every single month as new games come out and they price them super high. Like if American pinball's new game is 11 grand are you running towards it if spooky's new game with a butter cabinet is 11 000 are you throwing money at it these are questions that everyone is wondering it's what everyone's pondering you know the entire pinball industry is in a really precarious situation and so everybody happy november i hope you had a great halloween this is going to be a really interesting next six months of pinball i love it i love covering this hobby so don't put words in my mouth that I don't enjoy it because I absolutely enjoy it. This is my favorite thing to do because I get to make content and talk to you without any restrictions, without having to hold back, without having to ask permission. I can just do this when I feel like doing it. And I know you enjoy it because if you didn't enjoy it, you know, I'm not keeping anyone here, Ed. Like this show's got a following for a reason. Let's just picture Ed Ed Robertson up there in Canada in his beautiful cabin trees are like starting to turn in the fall and he's closing his eyes and he's like i love canada's pinball podcast i never thought i could feel this way and i've got to say that i just don't get it i don't know where we went wrong but the feeling's gone and i just can't get it back

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