# Episode 228 – Shoot To Thrill **Source:** Slam Tilt Podcast **Type:** podcast_episode **Published:** 2024-05-14 **Duration:** 136m 21s **Beat:** Pinball **URL:** https://www.slamtiltpodcast.com/2024/05/13/episode-228-shoot-to-thrill/ --- ## Analysis Slam Tilt Podcast Episode 228 features hosts Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale with guests Zach (from Flippin' Out Pinball) and Steph discussing recent pinball industry developments. Key topics include code updates for Jersey Jack games (Dialed In, Guns N' Roses, Pirates), HomePin's Stars 2/Blues Brothers machine, Dutch Pinball's Alice in Wonderland plans, Pedretti's Funhaus remake pricing, the Allentown pinball show results, and the upcoming Stomp tournament at Rochester Pinball Collective. ### Key Claims - [HIGH] Jersey Jack updated Dialed In, Guns N' Roses, and Pirates with new code, including removal of score bits feature — _Ron Hallett and Bruce discussing recent updates; specific mechanics changes mentioned (score bits removal, hold left clipper button feature)_ - [HIGH] HomePin is making Stars 2 (Blues Brothers themed) and the playfield is based on the original Stars machine — _Ron Hallett describing playfield similarities; noted at Taiwan show with photographic evidence; playfield described as 'obviously use stars as a starting point'_ - [HIGH] Pedretti confirmed Funhaus as their first remake game, available in classic ($7,500) and limited edition ($10,000) versions with different artwork — _Ron citing official confirmation; specific pricing provided for both versions_ - [HIGH] Dutch Pinball will not reveal anything at Expo, contradicting NAP Arcade's claim about Back to the Future revelation — _Ron reporting per Pinball News conversation with Barry (Dutch Pinball owner); directly contradicts NAP Arcade reporting_ - [HIGH] Steph won the women's championship at Allentown pinball show with tournament game being Maverick — _Tournament results from Allentown show; confirmed by participants_ - [HIGH] RPC crew acquired 10-11 games (including an empty cabinet) at Allentown, notably Stern Viper and Counterforce — _Zach describing acquisitions from the show; specific machine names and quantities discussed_ - [HIGH] Stomp tournament at Rochester Pinball Collective has 7 spots remaining at $125 entry fee — _Ron promoting upcoming event; specific capacity and pricing stated_ - [MEDIUM] HomePin added a flipper to Spinal Tap prototypes because initial sales were poor — _Ron discussing HomePin's development; described as 'supposedly' changed design due to market response_ - [MEDIUM] Guns N' Roses code update included reduced multiball action compared to previous version — _Zach noting changes heard; Ron commenting on magnitude of change_ - [HIGH] Dialed In's sling coils run at 20 volts while Elton John runs at 70 volts despite using same coil design — _Technical discussion between Zach and Ron about power differential and potential modifications_ ### Notable Quotes > "Bye-bye, score bits. Bye-bye. They went backwards a little bit. They took out score a bit. We secured our platform by removing score a bit." > — **Ron Hallett**, ~early in episode > _Humorous critique of Jersey Jack's decision to remove score bits feature from updated code_ > "It's called Stars 2. It's coming out. Oh, that's what I got. Yeah. So, HomePin, who as far as I know are still making spinal taps. They are." > — **Ron Hallett / Bruce Nightingale**, ~mid-episode > _Confirmation of HomePin transitioning from Spinal Tap to Stars 2/Blues Brothers project_ > "NAP said that Back to the Future will be revealed by Dutch at Expo. But according to Pinball News, who talked to Barry, the owner of Dutch, he said we will not be revealing anything at Expo." > — **Ron Hallett**, ~mid-episode > _Directly contradicting industry rumor with official source confirmation_ > "The cool thing is it's a license just for the Blues Brothers, not the movie. You know, the thing everyone remembers about the Blues Brothers." > — **Ron Hallett**, ~mid-episode > _Commentary on HomePin's unusual licensing approach (band rather than film)_ > "Dialed In wasn't fun at the RPC... The only time dialed in was fun at the RPC. When it was gone." > — **Zach (Flippin' Out Pinball)**, ~early-mid-episode > _Critical assessment of Dialed In's playability and community reception at arcade venue_ > "Steph took home the women's championship in the tournament. Congratulations, Steph. Yay." > — **Ron Hallett**, ~tournament section > _Recognition of female tournament winner at Allentown show_ > "We overfilled the truck. No, there was still space. We could have bought one more." > — **Ron Hallett / Zach**, ~Allentown acquisitions section > _Humorous back-and-forth about acquisition haul size_ > "It's all modes. I just, like, time it out, whatever." > — **Steph (sarcastic Valley Girl impression)**, ~Dialed In discussion > _Comedic critique of Dialed In's gameplay requiring mode focus rather than varied play styles_ > "We're going to be presenting in DPX soon. Yes. So, you know one of the three? 2965. Very good." > — **Various hosts**, ~RPC introduction section > _Announcement of RPC expansion and multi-suite facility development_ > "Judge Dredd and I need to have a talk on a rooftop." > — **Steph**, ~game preferences section > _Humorous expression of dislike for Judge Dredd machine_ ### Entities | Name | Type | Context | |------|------|---------| | Ron Hallett | person | Co-host of Slam Tilt Podcast, host of the show, involved in New American Pinball and pinball community | | Bruce Nightingale | person | Co-host of Slam Tilt Podcast, tournament organizer, associated with Cameron Silver Ball Saloon in Rochester, NY, collector with nearly 400 machines | | Zach Menny | person | Guest on episode, owner/operator of Flippin' Out Pinball, content creator for Spooky Pinball, pinball community figure | | Steph | person | Guest on episode, won women's championship at Allentown pinball show, associated with RPC | | Slam Tilt Podcast | organization | Pinball-focused podcast hosted by Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale from upstate New York | | Rochester Pinball Collective | organization | Arcade/pinball venue in East Rochester at The Channel Works (349 West Commercial Street), expanding with multiple suites, hosting Stomp tournament | | Flippin' Out Pinball | organization | Pinball distribution and sales company owned by Zach Menny, provides technical support and content creation | | Jersey Jack Pinball | organization | Manufacturer releasing code updates for Dialed In, Guns N' Roses, and Elton John; added graphic equalizer feature across games | | HomePin | organization | Manufacturer producing Stars 2 (Blues Brothers themed) machine; previously made Spinal Tap prototypes | | Pedretti | organization | Italian pinball manufacturer confirmed to be making Funhaus remake in classic and limited edition versions | | Dutch Pinball | organization | Manufacturer planning Alice in Wonderland machine, will not reveal anything at Expo per owner Barry | | Stern Electronics | organization | Historic manufacturer; Viper machine acquired by RPC from Allentown show | | Dialed In | game | Jersey Jack game with recent code update removing score bits; criticized by multiple panelists for gameplay and design choices; sling voltage issues identified (20v vs 70v) | | Guns N' Roses | game | Jersey Jack game receiving new code with revised scoring and reduced multiball action | | Pirates | game | Game receiving minor .991 code update with character changes and OS updates | | Stars 2 | game | HomePin's upcoming Blues Brothers themed machine based on original Stars playfield layout | | Funhaus | game | Pedretti's first remake game available in classic ($7,500) and limited edition ($10,000) versions with different artwork | | Alice in Wonderland | game | Dutch Pinball machine in development; part of Papadiuk games acquisition | | James Bond | game | Game reaching version 1.0 code; wizard mode added in update | | Elton John | game | Jersey Jack game with 70-volt sling coils; features graphic equalizer for audio customization | | Viper | game | Stern Electronics machine acquired by RPC at Allentown show; featured large turret assembly modification | | Counterforce | game | Game acquired by RPC at Allentown show | | Allentown Pinball Show | event | Recent pinball show where Steph won women's championship on Maverick; RPC acquired 10-11 games | | Stomp Tournament | event | Upcoming tournament at Rochester Pinball Collective; 7 spots remaining at $125 entry for Friday-Sunday | | Saratoga Silver Ball Show | event | Pinball show June 21-22 at Wilton Ball in Saratoga Springs; supports Saratoga Pinball Museum and Project Pinball | ### Topics - **Primary:** Code Updates and Software Changes, Game Acquisition and Trading, Upcoming Machine Announcements and Rumors, Tournament Results and Competitive Play - **Secondary:** Arcade Operations and Venue Management, Machine Maintenance and Technical Modifications, Industry Rumors and Misinformation - **Mentioned:** Collector Community and FOMO ### Sentiment **Neutral** (0) ### Signals - **[code_update]** Jersey Jack removed 'score bits' feature from updated OS code for Dialed In, Guns N' Roses, and Pirates. Score bits removal described as 'securing platform' but criticized as going backwards. (confidence: high) — Ron: 'Bye-bye, score bits... They took out score a bit. We secured our platform by removing score a bit.' - **[product_launch]** HomePin's Stars 2 (Blues Brothers machine) shown at Taiwan show with playfield based on original Stars layout; represents transition from Spinal Tap project (confidence: high) — Ron describing Taiwan show reveal and playfield similarity: 'they obviously use stars as a starting point for this play field, very obviously' - **[product_strategy]** Pedretti introducing multi-tier pricing for Funhaus remake: classic version $7,500 with original artwork, limited edition $10,000 with new Brian Allen artwork (confidence: high) — Ron reporting: 'The first one priced at $7,500 for the classic version... then $10,000 for the limited edition... has the new, the different art' - **[rumor_hype]** NAP Arcade reported Dutch Pinball would reveal Back to the Future at Expo, but Pinball News confirmed with owner Barry that Dutch will reveal nothing at Expo. Direct contradiction of industry reporting. (confidence: high) — Ron: 'NAP said that Back to the Future will be revealed by Dutch at Expo. But according to Pinball News... he said we will not be revealing anything at Expo.' - **[design_philosophy]** Dialed In criticized for forcing singular gameplay path through combo system; combos provide minimal points (300 for three-way combo) making alternative play styles unviable and demoralizing (confidence: high) — Steph: 'the combos... it sort of encourages one way of play over any other... you get, like, no points' and 'Demoralizing is a great way to describe dialed in playing' - **[competitive_signal]** Allentown pinball show tournament results: Steph won women's championship, Ryan Garbera won A division, tournament game was Maverick (confidence: high) — Tournament results confirmed and documented; Steph acknowledged as winner - **[manufacturing_signal]** Rochester Pinball Collective expanding from 50 games across multiple suites (2965, 2970, etc.) at The Channel Works; expansion space not yet operational (confidence: high) — Zach describing expansion: 'You had 50 games. Now you have how many? 50... expansion is not open yet. We're expanding.' - **[product_concern]** Dialed In and Elton John use identical sling coils but run at different voltages (20v vs 70v), resulting in significantly weaker sling response on Dialed In despite same hardware (confidence: high) — Technical discussion: 'ones on Elton John are running at 70 volts. The ones on dialed-in are running at 20 volts. But it's the same coil.' - **[licensing_signal]** HomePin's Blues Brothers license covers only the band/music IP, not the movie, representing unusual licensing approach; unclear if original movie music included (confidence: high) — Ron: 'The cool thing is it's a license just for the Blues Brothers, not the movie... according to Pinball News, there is going to be some music in there, but don't know what music' - **[event_signal]** Saratoga Silver Ball Show scheduled June 21-22 supporting Saratoga Pinball Museum and Project Pinball funding; Coin Taker will be present (confidence: high) — Ron announcing: 'Saratoga Silver Ball Show, June 21st and 22nd... All proceeds go to the funding of the future Saratoga Pinball Museum' - **[sentiment_shift]** Dialed In experiencing significant negative sentiment from RPC venue community; hosts and Steph all express criticism of gameplay design and theme execution (confidence: high) — Zach: 'The only time dialed in was fun at the RPC. When it was gone.' Bruce: 'It was gone, and it made more fun.' Steph: negative overall assessment - **[industry_signal]** NAP Arcade producing inaccurate industry reporting (Back to the Future reveal) and unconfirmed personnel claims (Ray Day as designer); hosts noting pattern of NAP 'saying a lot of stuff' with 'little BS' (confidence: medium) — Ron: 'They're saying that Dutch is going to reveal... They're saying a lot of stuff. They're saying a lot of stuff. Some of it's a little BS here.' --- ## Transcript I'm going to head to the barber to get my ears lowered. So I need you boys to sign for a couple two packages I got coming from the Amazon. Package. Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, This is the Plantel Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with the other host, Bruce Nightingale. I'm coming! Okay. You're already here, Bruce. Oh, shit. Okay. And we're going to talk about one thing. What? There's a lot of Karens and Kens out there in the world. Karens and Kens? Oh, God. You're going to go there? Of course we are. As you can hear by the slight echo, possibly you can hear it, we know Zach is here. Hi, Zach. Hello. Hello. Hi, Zach. Yes, I'll have to. You made it so I will have to edit something to remove. He is immortal. All the bleed through on his headphones for some reason. I don't know why. Yep. You can donate to the center of Patreon today to fund it better. Oh, we don't have one. There's none. So you're getting nothing. Nothing of nothing is still nothing. Just more than anything around that. Sorry. You can just Venmo it to me. Wow. Who's that? Who's that? We have a fourth. Seth is here. Seth is another. And I will shamelessly take your Venmos. But you can pay us at Stomp. You can just give money to Stomp or a set of headphones to Stomp to Zach right away. You know, I was thinking about this the other day. Yeah. This would be a good opportunity to do this. We should do, like, a short reintroduction. Hello. You know, no, I mean, like, people who haven't seen or have seen, listening to any of the episodes and are starting, like, who the hell is this Zach guy? I'm starting this one. Yeah, really, God. Well, I figure since the four of us are here. Yeah, the four most important people, yeah. The four most important people. The four people that are important to every episode of Slam Tilt, for it to possibly work. Yes. So who are you? Hi, my name's Bruce. Yeah, hi, Bruce. How long have you been in the hobby? I've been in the hobby for over 30 years. It sounds just like this after 30 years. Okay. So your first game was a kiss that you got from a crack house. Is that true, Bruce? Yes, Crack House in Patterson, New Jersey. And you were how old? I've owned over now almost up to 400 now. I'm catching up. You're catching up to what? Anybody else. There's always somebody at Hattie Villa. Who's the next person? Who are you chasing down? Anybody and everybody. Hell, we had a great island town, so that's the good thing about it. Yes. Except for the changing tailings. Oh, gosh. So I'm Ron. Hello. I'm the other host. Formerly the co-host, but we have to say the other host now of the Slamtail Podcast. I mean, weren't you the host before? I was the host. The first was the co-host, but then we got complaining from one person. Yes, it was Jeff Teolis. Yeah, one person complained, so we had to change it. Yeah, okay. Thank you, Jeff. Jeff, I love you. And I'm kicking his ass this week on Fantasy Baseball. Okay. Well, he likes the Blue Jays, though. He doesn't have a lot of Blue Jays on his team, though. I think I have more Blue Jays on my team. But I've been doing this 20 years. 20 years? So you're like, you were third behind me. Mm-hmm. And what else about me? I was a former karate champ, world champion, the video game. Former. Former. That's my greatest accomplishment, I think. Okay. Zach, what about you? You're like a 60-year-old ornery old EM guy, right? Oh, yeah, totally. That's what I think everyone thinks. I need to use experience in under 30 years of body. Amazing. He is immortal. How about you, Steph? Who are you? I just live here. You live in the podcast? Wow, I didn't know she was always here. I am part of the Ethernet. Why aren't we charging her? Why isn't her bank going towards a new headset for me? Exactly. God. I pay you in volunteering at RPC. No, no, no. That gets you, you know, all the perks of RPC funness. What's RPC, Bruce? No one knows what that is. It's a new hereditary disease that everyone wants to get. That's TPX. We'll be talking about that later. Dual Penetration Extreme. No, the RPC is Rochester Pinball Collective. Zach, where is Rochester Pinball Collective? East Rochester. The address? The Channel Works, East Rochester. 349 West Commercial Street. West Commercial Street. Does Zach know the suite? One of the three suite numbers. What, you guys got three suite numbers now? Yes. Oh, my goodness. We're going to be presenting in DPX soon. Yes. So, you know one of the three? 2965. Very good. You got one of them. That's the main one. Yeah, that's the only one I know. Yeah, there's 2970. And $29.80. The doors that are locked. Where's $29.75? I don't know. Missing. That's free real estate. You guys had 50 games. Now you have how many? 50. We're working still on 50. We're not open yet. Oh, no, you are open. Your expansion isn't open. Expansion is not open yet. We're expanding. So, yeah, yeah. You had 50 games. What do you hope to get up to? $1 million. How many is in there right now in the back room, Zach? I think it kind of gets there. It's 18? I thought it was 24. That seems too high. No, I think it's 24. Let's look at the video I sent yesterday. Oh, God. No, let's not. Yes, let's look at the video. Let's waste Ron's editing time as much as we can. No, I'm not editing. I can give you a serious answer while they're doing that. Yeah, go ahead. Why don't you give us a serious answer? I've been in the hobby for nine years I just calculated I have four games of my own and I know these people because somehow everyone in New York knows everyone else and these are the people that I hang around sorry sorry gave you love, gave you hate oh my god all the way back I don't remember what I said the first time. Well, that's good. You can come up with a new answer. But what if I do a repeat by accident? It'll be a new answer. It will be still a new answer to some person. Exactly. No one knows anything. 22. 22 games. Well, a game I love is Sea Witch because... Oh, wait. Or you can't choose games that you're on, right? You can't own it. Exactly. Well, Rip. Rip and destroy. I love stars. Okay, that's a good one. That's the official pinball machine. The official pinball machine of the Swamp Hill Podcast. Very good. Yes. Now, hate. Judge Dredd and I need to have a talk on a rooftop. Oh. I like Judge Dredd. 22 games are actually in the back room and in the new edition right now. And with more to come. More to come. Oh, my. Good Lord. All right. Let's get it. And we made the second biggest gobble hole ever this past week. You made the second. What? What? Didn't we, Zach? Well. It's probably the fifth or sixth biggest gobble hole. Yeah. If you take the window out of Black Hole, you'll have a very big gobble hole. Yeah. And one of those places. We're going to lower the plate. It's not actually a gobble hole. No, it's not. But we did make one of the biggest gobble holes when we took out the Viper turret assembly. Does that count as a gobble hole? No, you don't get the ball back. You don't get the ball back. It's definitely not coming back. It's going to be in the bottom cabinet. Wouldn't a gobble hole by nature have to go back to the shooter lane? Not always. Not always. It would definitely go back to the shooter lane. That would be really weird. There's no subway in Viper. Yeah. Yeah, so that's not a gobble hole. that's just a hole. We call it a gobble hole. But there's no switch. There's no point to it. You put a switch in it and a subway to somewhere and I'll give you a gobble hole. It's a subway to hell. I'm on the subway to hell. Yeah, this podcast is on a subway to hell. All right. This is pretty on brand for this podcast for anyone who's new. It's usually not this bad. Usually we get new. Are you sure? Usually we can start the actual topics before now, but yeah. What's our topics, Ron? Let's get on point right away and ruin all the fun. All right. So, well, in no particular order, I just have these little notes here. Stuff that's happened since our last episode, which a lot of shit's happened since our last episode. Three weeks ago. Holy cow. So let's get some of the smaller stuff out of the way. James Bond is at 1.0. Yay. No, no more excitement? I played Bond recently. I'm warming up to it a little bit. I think because I'm hitting more shots. Wow. Okay, so nothing there for Bond. No Bond discs. We don't get to play it anymore, so we don't know what the new code feels like. Oh. I mean, all it did was add wizard mode, so who really cares anyway? It's not a school burger. Yeah, okay. We don't get to play it much, yeah. Yeah, we don't get to play it much at all. You know, Bond has lots of guns in it. But that will come up later. On the artwork? Sorry, Ken. Ken, they don't. Only ones that are in the movie posters, Ken. Okay, but whatever. John Connor's holding a gun a lot. But that's in the movie poster. Okay. That was the license on your right. All right, no one knows what that means because we haven't got to that yet. Dialed In had an update. What? Actually, a bunch of the Jersey Jack games, they updated their OS code. Bye-bye, score bits. Bye-bye. They went backwards a little bit. They took out score a bit. We secured our platform by removing score a bit. Yeah. Well, they also added the stern hold the left clipper button in and hold the start button down to kill the game. That's a great feature for that. Nice. It lets me end the game even quicker. It's quicker. Yes, I totally agree with this. And Guns N' Roses got new code. Yes. Yes. They changed all the scoring and stuff. Thank God. And less multiball action. I didn't think that was even possible in that game. Really? I didn't know exactly what they changed. I've heard it actually is a good update. It actually is a good update. I need to find one to try out, but none exist anymore. Even Pirates got an update. 1.0? No, it went from .990, it went to .991. It's a good thing we got that extra decimal place. We're inching away. I think they just added character changes that have been in beta for a couple years. and the rest of it was just the OS stuff that I already mentioned. Yeah. I ain't getting rid of Scorpions. That too. And I played a bunch of Dialed In afterwards and it's still awesome. Still exactly as awesome as before. Yeah, which was nothing. Oh, wait a minute. Does Step hate it too? Am I going to get a total like three-on-one action here? I'm not a huge fan of it. Mostly because the combos are... it sort of encourages one way of play over any other, and I don't like games that make you go for one particular play style. If combos had a little more value, I would be a lot happier because they feel really good to hit, but doing, like, a three-way combo and getting, like, 300 points is not great. it's really demoralizing, especially if you're, like, trying to get the... I'm going Valley Girl today. I don't know. I'm half asleep. Like, like. Like, like, totally. Oh, my God. It's, like, totally lame. It's, like, you get no points at all for combos. Yeah, you get, like, no points. It's, like, totally stupid. And it's all, like, Mondo mode-based. Oh, my God. It's all modes. I just, like, time it out, whatever. Okay, whatever. Yeah. Demoralizing is a great way to describe dialed in playing. Yes, it is. Wow, you guys are just... I could just play it and enjoy myself. No, fuck you. But you guys are just... Whatever. Whatever, whatever. It wasn't fun at the RPC, and it wasn't fun... The only time dialed in was fun at the RPC. Oh, here it comes. When it was gone. Yeah, yeah, okay. That doesn't even make sense, but okay. It was gone, and it made more fun. The whole enjoyment of the place went up. You see the empty hole where it used to be? Like, wow, look at this. Oh, is it better? And he's a game of the world right here. All right. It's unfortunate because the theme is great. Music's great. Music's great. David Deal. The dude's crawl is great. I'm just going to add that it doesn't jive with my profile. That's the other thing that Jersey Jack added. It's in Elton John, but now it's like in all their games. Oh, they closed. A full graphic equalizer thing. so you can play with how the game sounds more if you want. Did they fix the flippers? Well, I installed a whatever, the IO board in for that. The fans? Well, it doesn't fix any of the other stuff that's weak, like the slings. So it's a fail all across the board. Thank you very much for telling us that. Did you fix your slings yet, Matt? I gave you the instructions. Yeah, like I'm going to do all that. Okay, for the techies out here. Zach, so I want to improve my sling. I want my slings on my dialed-in to be just like the ones on Elton John. Now, the ones on Elton John are running at 70 volts. The ones on dialed-in are running at 20 volts. But it's the same coil. So what do I do to fix this issue? Well, you just got to snip some dials right off your driver board and then put them on the thingy and then run the 70 volts at 20 volts and disconnect the 20 volts, and then bam, everyone out. You got that, folks? This is how you can make your slings awesome. I want to make my game way better. Well, here's a question for you, Zach. Could you just modify the code to fire, you know, the 70-volt chain and just change the wiring? I mean, I couldn't. Someone with the code, you know, could. Yeah, that's what I mean. You'd have to change the wiring, but yeah. And put the diodes on. Well, no. If you could change it so it fires the right whatever bus or whatever the hell it is, I would think you wouldn't have to be screwing with the board. Imagine if it fired both a 70-volt and a 20-volt at once, and you could just choose between them. Oh, there you go. They should do that. So then you can – And then it's got an input update in 2027. Yeah, not by your own game. You still have to get 70 volts to the coil. Well, you can do that. It's called Stars 2. It's coming out. Oh, that's what I got. Yeah. So, HomePin, who as far as I know are still making spinal taps. They are. I thought so. I mean, you can find they started making spinal taps. Well, they made prototypes, and then supposedly they added a flipper because the place like shit. We filled all zero of our sales. The word yes. Okay. Our pre-sales are done, and now we're waiting for the after-hours sales from not people who are into pinball. So they're going to be making Blues Brothers. Yeah. Stars 2. Electric Boogaloo. Well, the cool thing is it's a license just for the Blues Brothers, not the movie. You know, the thing everyone remembers about the Blues Brothers. It's literally just the Blues Brothers. The soundtrack, I hope. Oh, no, they're afterwards. They had a concert tour. Well, according to Pinball News, there is going to be some music in there, but don't know what music. So I don't even know if it's actually Blues Brothers music. I mean, most of their music didn't have original music. They just did blues covers. They did blues covers. They actually did have, I think, one original song. Okay, maybe that's it. And I'll play that over and over and over. While you're on your way to Blues Brothers getaway history tour on your shot. So, yes, the game was at some Taiwan show. Yeah. And someone got a picture of it, and the play field looked very familiar. Yeah, it's called Stars. It looks just like Stars. With a couple of Ollie up top, or with a trident. Trident. And I don't mean, like, kind of looks like. I mean, they obviously use stars as a starting point for this play field, very obviously. Except for then. Took out one spinner for some reason. They took out the spinner. Well, on the left spinner, they took out, and it looks like you hit it, and it goes up a ramp. Ramp. And then it just falls on the play field because it's a single. I don't understand that at all. Kerplunk. Is it supposed to simulate going over the bridge in the movie? But that's from the movie. You dare use that movie. You're right. You're like the Nazis and shoot your ball off the bridge. Yes. The funny thing about that, in the movie, they actually dropped a car. They had to get permits or whatever to do that. They dropped the car. I've always loved you. Steph's like going, what the hell are they talking about? Steph hasn't watched the Blues Brothers. I mean. I can tell you already because she hasn't made one comment since then. Even Zach has watched the Blues Brothers. I know. Twice. Twice? Oh, my God. Holy cow. Yeah. Probably like 60 times. What was the last pinball-themed movie that you've actually seen? Oh. Probably Guardians of the Galaxy. Oh. Okay. That is a long time ago. I mean, that's, are you talking the most recent pinball machine that has a movie, or the most recent movie that has a pinball machine? Either or. I've seen RoboCop. I think I was at your house when I saw RoboCop. So no Jaws? Very old machine. No Jaws? No, I have not. Nope. No Bond? No Bond movies? Nope. I haven't seen Johnny Mnemonic. It's pretty bad. No one has. Oh, okay. I have. I've watched The Shadow many times, too. Look, the only Keanu Reeves movies I've seen, and I know he's in a lot of pinball machines, are Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure and the sequel. Whoa. Bill 210. You've never watched The Matrix? No. Oh, my God. Wow. Wow. Amazing. I don't know what to say. What have you been watching all your life? Showing me Monty Python and the Holy Grail and The Beatles movies. Over and over? Wait, The Beatles movies? I can't think that long. All three of them, I think. Hard Day's Night, Hell, The Submarine. Oh, the cartoon. And Magical Mystery Tour. Oh, yeah, of course the cartoon. Tune, not Magical Mystery Tour and not Let It Be. We're going to see. Yeah. Okay. So what's coming up in three weeks, guys? June. Oh, Stomp. Stomp. Want to get that plug in soon. We've got seven spots left for Stomp. $125 will get you in Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, Sunday, Sunday. Hey, if you're not playing pinball at the RPC, you're not playing pinball. Okay. The only way you'll miss it is if you're in jail, and if you are, break out. Break out. So there's seven spots left. Wow, only seven, and I was pessimistic about this thing filling up. Yeah, it's been slowly. Like, every day I get an inquiry, and then the next day. It's like a slow burn. Yeah, I got a slow burn. Just yesterday, expressing interest. Yes. No money today, though, so. Just like Bruce's hemorrhoids, a slow burn. Yes, it is. They said they were going to wait until the last minute and then decide. They're getting bigger and bigger. The hemorrhoids or the... Both. The list. All right. While this is doing plugs, I'll do a plug. I promised I would do a plug here. For the one Saratoga show we're going to have this year, the Saratoga Silver Ball Show, June 21st and 22nd, Coin Taker. There will be Coin Taker there. It's going to be at the Wilton Ball in Saratoga Springs. All proceeds go to the funding of the future Saratoga Pinball Museum. I was unaware of that. And Project Pinball. So you'll be supporting good causes. Check it out. June 21st and 22nd at the Wilton Ball, Saratoga Springs. We're getting a museum. I know, right? Don't forget, what else is coming up after Stomp? And after the Saratoga Pinball Show? June? What's coming up? I don't know. Saratoga was in July, Steph. So what's after July? Death Ball. And there's two things coming then. The Beast and Death Ball. That's not important. Let's talk about Death Ball. Wow. Jeff, ignore Zach. You can slap him at that stump. No, he knows it's true. So the Beast is Death Ball, and Zach's tournament is Death Ball. Yes. Okay. You got all your points there? You can play the good El Toro. Yes, there is actually a good El Toro. A good El Toro. There is one. I'll admit it. It does exist. That's not Bally. No? All right. Is that a nice Bally? No, that's the bad one. I'll try to get some of these quickie topics out of the way here so we can get to the juicy ones. Oh, my. I love quickie. Oh, my. I just thought this was interesting. So, Nap Arcade, Hi Nap Arcade. They're saying that Dutch is going to reveal Back to the Future. They're saying a lot of stuff. They're saying a lot of stuff. Some of it's a little BS here. Stop interrupting me. I'm just telling you. I'm saying my notes. Yeah, but you don't even let me get through what I'm saying. Well, no, I'm talking about other things that NAP said. Okay. NAP said that Back to the Future will be revealed by Dutch at Expo. But according to Pinball News, who talked to Barry, the owner of Dutch, he said we will not be revealing anything at Expo. So that kind of is an exact opposite statement. I hear Ray Day is going to be a designer now. Yeah, congratulations, Raymond. Raymond, congratulations. Who said that? Nap. Oh, he's going to be a designer? Yeah. Well, maybe he just means program designer. Like head on a game, like programmer. That's not what Nap said, Ron. Oh, okay. You've got to look at the news sources here. Yes. Okay. I congratulated Raymond, and he went, huh? Huh? We're just kicking Raymond under the bus on this. No, Raymond went, huh? I know he did. I'm just kidding. We reached out to Raymond Davidson for comment, and he responded. And he had no comment. Okay. And I guess there are people saying it's more likely that DPX, Dutch pinball, what is the X-File? No, no. Extra? Experience. No, it's not. No, I don't think it's experience either. Is it? Dutch pinball? Extremists. Either way, we call it dual penetration extreme. Yes, dual penetration extreme. Because they'll be coming out with Alice in Wonderland, and they bought the rights to all the other John Papadiuk games that bankrupted everybody's that they should stay away from. So hopefully it keeps up the fucking trend with these guys. Well, here's the thing I was thinking. I heard this somewhere. When they were talking about Dutch, the fact that they finally caught up with all the Big Lebowskis, and how they didn't try to sell any other games while they were doing that. I don't think that's true. No, it's not true. I vaguely remember one of the expos. They had like a, it might have been like a Bride of Pinball 3.0 kit. It was some kind of kit that they brought there. And everyone was like, are you fucking serious? You still haven't made these other people whole. How can you be selling another thing? And they dropped it. And they dropped it, yeah. Okay, so I'm not crazy. No, you're not crazy. I'm pretty sure I remember that. 2016, 2017, yes. Okay. What the fuck is RedfinBot 3.0? I don't know if that's what it's called, but I think it was another kit that they brought to Expo. It was going to be a new kit. You were like, what? People were like, what? Are you insane? Are you crazy? Okay, well, we're talking about games. Pedretti confirmed the next remake game or their first remake game will be Funhaus. Which everyone kind of knew already. Didn't you see the teaser trailer? Yes. And how like the art isn't at all the same as the original? No, it's the Brian Allen. Like that's not a remake anymore. No, it's not. It's got a LCD color. It's got different artwork. and is it all for the premium version? Hold on. The game will be available in two trims. I know. The first one priced at $7,500 for the classic version of the game and then $10,000 for the limited edition. The limited edition machine has the new, the different art. Mm-hmm. So there you go. Seems weird. Mm-hmm. You don't see LE medieval minstrels with different art packages. Well, that's what they're doing. Extreme! It's made by Pedretti. I know. Bruce's favorite Italian manufacturer. Yeah. Hey, we make it fucking good! Hey! I had to get my Italian out. Hey! That's what I was waiting for. I had to kill you twice. Hey! I had to kill you twice. We make it good. We make it fire. Hey! Okay, enough. That's enough. Okay. Wow. Let's see. I also got a little note here. I'd like to thank Zach from Flip N Out Pinball. He sent me my cotter pin. Yes, we had a cotter pin. Didn't you have him last time? I have a cotter pin. You did. You did. I did, but I didn't get it yet. He said he was going to send one, but I actually got it physically in my possession. But you pre-thanked him before. I pre-thanked him, and now I thanked him again. Next episode of a post-thanks. Mm-hmm. Yes. Okay. I thank you, I thank you, I thank you, I thank you. A hunker for a hunker, a hunker for a hunker, I thank her for my cotter pin. Okay, Bruce. All right. So let's get into it. The subject that was the big deal while we were out, while we were away. Allentown. Oh, you want to do that one first? Isn't that the biggest deal of all? Okay, we'll do Allentown. We had the Allentown show, which was the first pinball show I ever went to. Like, ever. Me too. Me too. Oh, really? And this was the... Pinball Wizards. The shirt that I was wearing. And that's from you. Yeah, that's it. I've actually been there. Well, wait a minute. What was the first one you went to? Expo 1994. Wow. Hey, that's the year I was born. Great. Damn, I was just out of school. With my girlfriend at the time. Had a good time. Very good time. We got to play, what was the newest game? We got to play Frankenstein. I thought you were going to say, we got to play Star Trek Next Generation. It was great. we got to go to two factory tours too oh we got to see Data East and we got to see Gottlieb or Premiere wow yeah damn you've been doing this a long time yeah I feel like the Premiere would actually do tours it doesn't feel very Gottlieby it was actually you're right because that one video of what's his face what's his name the designer it went to Stern and was there briefly and has made a bunch of online games or stuff that he's released online for people to make. Duncan F. Brown? No, no, no. No, he did Titoff. Yeah. He did Surf Safari. What the fuck's his name? Yeah, come on, Zach. I don't know his name. What do you mean you don't know his name? You're a Mr. Trivia. You win every damn pinball trivia thing I've ever seen. If you give me a multiple choice question, I'll answer it correctly. Oh, God. I like how the two Mr. Trivias, maybe three Mr. Trivias of Timbal are all in this. Yeah, come on. There's no other trivia here, Ron. The trivia trio is on this pod. Norris. Jon Norris. Jon Norris. Oh, yeah, that guy. See? Yeah, there's a video. It's from the 90s, early 90s. It's some local Chicago news spot or something, but it's raw footage. Raw. It's the guy going to Gottlieb, and there's a certain point where he kind of wants to, you know, let's check out the factory. And like, no, you can't do that. and they basically banished him to the break room where he talks with Jon Norris for most of the piece. So that does seem very un-Gottlieb- Well, we didn't get to take video or anything, so it was just us walking through a factory. Ah. A couple times. Okay. Yeah. Wow. That's a long time. The tournament game was Maverick. Ah. Very nice. So we all went to Allentown. How was the Allentown show? Well, first we had a big wiener. We have a big wiener in our group right now. You have a big wiener in your group? Yes. Okay. Steph took home the women's championship in the tournament. Congratulations, Steph. Yay. Yay. It's the puppet show. Yay. Thanks. Thanks, Ross. Totally no selling it. All right. I expect it to win. Come on. Yes. And the winner of the A was. What was it me because I didn't even make finals? No. Zach, you were in the finals. Who won A? Ryan O'Neal? No. I don't think so. I think it was the person who won. I didn't recognize the name. Like, oh, a new person. Well, that's good. Which is always cool. Let's check. Let's look up match play here. Oh, wow. We are so prepared. Usually, actually, I am prepared. I forgot to look up the tournament winners this time. Yeah, I was expecting you to just know all this stuff already. Oh, I'm sorry. I've ruined your... Ryan Garbera. There you go. So congratulations, Ryan. Congratulations, Steph. Oh, hi, Steph. And anyone else who won. That was the tournament thing. Yep. But you guys, like, bought a lot of games. We overfilled the truck. No, there was still space. We could have bought one more. The one I wanted, we wouldn't have been able to fit in there. You touched the hell out of a van. We did. All right. How many games did the RPC crew bring in total? One, two, three. Three. So three. I know Zach brought two games. We brought, what do you call, Alice Cooper. We brought your jackpot. And Deadly Weapon. Deadly Weapon. So that's three games. Okay, so you came to the show with three games. How many games did you leave the show with? Well, what do you consider a full game? Okay. I consider a full game a full game. I mean, you can name other things. So you wouldn't count the empty cabinet we got for stuff? That one. You still had to load it, and it took as much space as a full game. So 10 games. 10 with an empty cab. 10 with an empty cab. 11. You still had to leave up in. 11.5. What new games did you get? But I got two. There was ten in the van, and one in your car and one in my car. So that's 12. That's the cabinet. So what new games did you get? Well, I talked about one already. The biggest gobble hole in the world. Or Viper. Viper. Stern Viper. And not Viper hard driving. You know, it's regular old Stern Electronics Viper. I still keep calling it Venom for some reason. Don't know why. No, snakes. And the second one. Venom. And then the second one I got was a beater countdown. Not countdown, counterforce. Counterforce. There was a nice countdown there you sort of grabbed, Ron, but you don't need one because you don't want one. I played it, and it reset on me. And it had one of the new boards in it. And when it locked up and reset, it actually displayed some kind of code in the credit area briefly. And I'm like, oh, what's that? And, yeah. In the middle of my best fall, of course, where I was at 4x, going for 5x, and of course that's when it does that. Of course. Because of course. That's how that happens. So what did you get, Zach? Well, you brought back Jackpot. Yep and I brought back Deadly Weapon I didn sell anything Nope didn sell anything either Wasn trying to though so Neither was I And I got Spanish High number three Yep. Woo-hoo! A Magic Circle from the Rob Burke crew, who I was surprised to see had a booth selling games. They have one every year now for the past three years. Every year? Yeah. And a Sid Free. Mm-hmm. What's the fourth one? Star Race Star Race, yes I got a Star Race Because you like wide bodies So you need to have the widest body possible I crossed off the list real quick Second biggest wide body Well, Mr. Hercules Yes Yeah, I'm not counting Hercules Hercules is not a pinball machine Hercules is an outlier It says the world's largest pinball machine on the header Yeah, but you can't trust marketing everything's marketed the right way or the wrong way. Yeah, so you can't trust it. We brought down Alice Cooper and one of our other owners, Mark, he traded the Alice Cooper for a Pharaoh and an Excalibur. Oh, okay. One out of two. And then he bought a Viper. Sorry, what did he buy? A Viking. Yep. And then he sold it. The same show. So he bought it and then sold it. Accidentally sold the game before even... Yeah. After loading it into the truck. After loading it into the truck. That would have been better if he sold it before he... I mean, he had to lift the game up like four feet into the van and then sold it. And then he sells it. And then we got Steph's empty cabinet. Yep. And what else did we get? You got a Cheetah playfield. We got a Cheetah playfield, a Flight 2000 playfield. A Cheetah back glass. Cheetah back glass. We got a lot of boards. A lot of parts. A lot of parts. A successful show. Yeah. Met up with Scott. Yep. Power Scott. We always see him at Allentown. Yeah, Scott, I need my fucking spinners, you promised me, you bastard. Wow. Well, he said it, and then he said, oh, I ran out. I know you don't run out, Scott. You have a nice hoard of all. Spinners. Yeah, he does. Okay. And he sent me some notes to improve the cheater-rom I'm making. Mm. Ah. Yeah, you're going to do something where you collect a bonus and the multiplier goes down or something? That's the goal. Mm-hmm. All right. So Allentown was a successful show. Yeah, a lot of good people. We saw a lot of Kens and Karens there. A lot of Kens and Karens. What the hell are you talking about? Well, you know what a Karen is, right? Yes, but what does that have to do with the show? Because people were bitch because they bitch about everything. Well, you bitch about everything. I didn't hear any bitching at the show, personally. Yeah, you're forgetting that Bruce is the backer, though. You get bitched at by descriptions. Seth actually got video of the bitching. I don't know if I got... I didn't get the legendary encounter. That was before we got there. But we heard, like, third hand of an encounter that you had with someone who decided to try to get in early, where you stepped in front of them and were like, Hi, who are you? I'm Bruce. Get out of here. Or something to that effect. And your point? No wristband, no entry. I even did this to a couple people. I know. Sorry. Yeah, I have video of you directing people. You were doing crowd control. There was a line the first day. I have video of the line going for, like, at least three minutes, and Bruce is just yelling. What to do? Well, there were two lines to be specific. There were three. No, no, there was two. It came before 9 o'clock. At 9 o'clock, we opened the doors to get your passes. Then people got on another line, and at 10 o'clock, everyone just walked inside. By 10.04, everyone was inside the building. And then the line started gravitating bigger and bigger, and it was probably as long as the parking lot again. Wait, wait, how is everyone in the building and people are still in line? I'm already confused. So at 9 o'clock, they had to line up after getting their passes to get in at 10. You might want to explain the fact that you can't pre-buy something. If someone bought a pass online ahead of time, you could get your wristband at 9 o'clock. And then go in at 10. Yeah, with the idea that people thought they were all going to be like, oh, I get my pass and I can walk right in at 10. But guess what? You can't have everyone holding up the door while people are still getting their passes. So we had to line up again. And then people are going, why are we lining up? Because it's not open yet. And then you had the, there was the pre-buying QR code line. There was a hold up, you know, technical difficulties, whatever. And people were scanning and they're like, why are we doing this? I mean, it's because we're pre-bought. You still have to scan the tickets. You still have to scan everything. You've still got to put the wristband on people. Sorry. There was a kid behind me who was like, oh, my God, Mom, I want to, you know, like, that was being impatient. And that I got, you know, kids were. Of course, a 5- to 10-year-old kid, I understand. There were adults, though, who were like that, too. Tens who were, wait a second, last year it was three hours plus, wasn't it, Ron, to get inside the building? I don't remember. By the time I get there, it's like noon. So by the time I get there, it's no line. Oh, well, there was last year. Because remember, noon was when it used to open. Now it was 10. We opened earlier. We had people in earlier. And there was no line at 10.05. And then the line grew again. And it was no line by 10.45. That's a win in my book. Sounds like a roaring success. Exactly. But nope, we got all these. If I was a concert or like any. Exactly. Or anything else. People were seeing the money line go faster than the prepay line, and they were getting snippy, which I understand it's frustrating. I was in the prepay line going, God damn it, too. But, like, logistics are going to happen. Exactly. It's natural that hang-ups are going to happen. If this was an Australian podcast, I'd be saying my favorite C word of all time, because there was a lot of guys acting like the old C word. Oh, chlamydia has got it. Yes, yes. Yes. Okay. They were very chlamydia. All right. And that's why Bruce almost lost his voice by the end of the first one. Oh, yeah, his voice was gone. But I had a great time. You know where I had a great time? At the party, Bob. At my house. Yes, you did, because we didn't come out, so we didn't take you down. Yeah, we had the Barney Cup, which is a tournament for all us 518ers, 518 area code. Hold on. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. What? Are you saying it's Red Decks? That's literally the capital region. Yeah, it's the capital region, Bruce. We're not your area. 518 also goes all the way up into the mountains. Okay. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Wait, how far north does it go? Oh, it goes almost to the border. we had the tournament to crown the winner of the Varney Cup it's kind of like the Stanley Cup unfortunately the winner can only come from 518 518 so we had the tournament at level 0 I was forced to play forced? because? he couldn't just plunge his balls off and just walk away because I was the defending Varney Cup champion so why'd you play last year? I don't think we had it last year. I think there was a skipped year somewhere. Why did you play the year that you won previously? Yeah. Why did you play? Because that was the era where I still wanted to play at my house before I didn't want to play at my house anymore. Yeah, and you stole it from me and stuff. Oh, wow. I forgot about that. It is own house, folks. Yep, just took it away from you guys. But we had the tournament, and I was going to stream it originally, But if I remember, there was some other kind of big event happening that same weekend, at least streaming. Compared to the Vardy Cup? Well, like events that have more than 100 people watching. It's like, okay, what's the point? There's no point there. But just to have fun and be like, look. Documentation. No, it was really fun. Not streaming it, not having to do any of that shit. Ron's going to be streaming. So who's streaming? Ron's not, Ron. Well, that's me because I'm not playing it. Ron's going to be streaming in three weeks at the Stomp for the whole weekend. At the Stomp, yes. The Stomp. The good old Stomp. By the way, I hear I had to buy a flight for somebody, too, didn't I? We had to kick in half our money each. What? We had to buy an international ticket for somebody. Oh, Stu? I don't think Stu. Stu McVicker, if you haven't listened to the podcast, he is a just former, I say former pinball great. He's kind of old now. He was the 1978 Playboy Launch Party Champion, and he has a very high opinion of himself. He was banned by the IPA for various reasons. We don't talk about that. Yeah, we don't talk about that. But did we have to buy – you asked for a lot of money from me last week for the international ticket. Yes, to get him in from Romania. Yes, Romania. He's from Transylvania, Romania. Yes. Yeah. Do we have extradition to Romania? I don't know. I'm going to look right now. But he might show up at Stomp, but, I mean, he might play in the Thursday tournament. We'll see. But I don't think he's playing in the main tournament. So he literally flew him in for, like, one small tournament. It's a good use of our Stomp funds. Yes, we do. So let's see here. I'm shifting around in my chair because my thighs have decided to start cramping severely for no reason. Not enough quality H2O. Ah, probably. That's a possibility. and I'm old. Yeah, you are. That means you need more quality H2O. Yeah, I do. All right. Get some nutrients in you, some minerals. Gatorade! Ow. Okay. What is it that causes cramps? Is it like a lack of potassium or something? Am I going crazy? Yes, it is. Eat some bananas. Eat a banana. I forgot the last part. I retained the Barney Cup. Oh, yeah. What else is new? It was fun. Only two games went down, and they're already both fixed. Playing pinball is fun. You've heard it here, folks. Yes. Go figure. It's fun. You've heard it here, folks. Yeah, I don't really play that much, except in tournaments where I usually suck anyway. Except for the tournaments that you usually win? Yeah, but they're in my house still. You came to even? Yeah, that was – I should have retired at that point. That was kind of like the crowning achievement right there. But he's not going to win the next tournament at RPC. Well, he could win Thursday. Yes, he could, yeah. No, Stu would win Thursday, not me. Well, I mean, he skipped like three tournaments, so we can't count those either. So let's get on to the big subject, the new game. And I don't mean Blues Brothers. I mean an actual new game. Golden Girls? No, not fictional ones that don't exist. But John Wick was released. That's a fun movie. Movies. Movies? I can't relate. I didn't think the last one was that fun. I thought the last one was fucking awesome. I was like falling asleep. What? Wow. Okay. Doesn't he kill like a zillion people in that one, too? How does he kill them? Every way you can possibly think of. He shoots them in the head, typically. With what? A gun. A bullet. A pencil. Can I just say, though, the Ellie artwork, it's got Donnie Yen on the side, and I popped for that. The Ellie looks very cool. The Ellie looks awesome. As a, oh, yeah, the Ellie artwork. A lot of times there's like a mix of artwork where it's like, oh, I like the trans from this one, but I like the cabinet of the – usually it's the pro. Yeah, not here. Usually it's like the pro. I like the cabinet of the pro, but this thing is just like, yeah, Ellie all the way. I think this is the first time in a while I can picture people like buying Ellie because of the artwork. Yeah. Yeah. Just as the Hong Kong action fanatic I am to see Donnie Yen in a pinball machine is pretty cool. Yes. Hong Kong phooey. But what you won't see in the pinball game are guns, at least in the artwork. It's the animation. It has clips from all four movies where there's all kinds of guns and John Wick shooting people all over the place. But not in the artwork. And that was a really big deal for a lot of people, it seems. Oh, my God. Another fucking Ken and Karen fucking fest. It turned into a just firestorm. How can you have John Wick without guns? Who the fuck cares? Did he say it like that, too? Who the fuck cares? Should I do the southern accent that everyone's doing? Because everyone just assumes that, you know. You don't have my gun. Why don't you get done in the game? Yeah, let's just offend everyone in the South and say we all want guns here. Where's the moonshine? That should have been in the game, too. Mom. I'm not going to go there. That's frightening. Wow. When I actually stop myself, you know it's got to be really bad. I'm scared now. You had influencers as such just making whole videos and bitching about this until the point where George Gomez actually said something. And I'm trying to find it here. Here we go. He posted this on Facebook. I'm just going to direct quote from George Gomez. Hey, fellas, the no-gun-toys thing was a brand mandate, not something we could control. We didn't worry too much about it because there are plenty of guns in the film clips, and we have the clips from all four films. But we didn't think you guys were going to be the C-word. Have you noticed that most times that people get up in arms, it's usually not... It's over the stupidest things. And it's usually over a mandate from the license or not from... Yeah, well... Stern is not intentionally trying to piss people off. They're trying to work with the licensor. Like, they're not in full 300% control here. 300% control? Why aren't you having guns? We need guns! You know, 300% control is where you have so much control that you can control yourself, the licensor, and the audience. So everything is clearly just your fault. The thing is, Ben Gomez, he did a couple interviews. He was on Flip N Out Pinball. I think Joe Engelberth interviewed him. I saw that one. Excellent interview. Check it out. And he was also on Loser Kids, which I haven't heard yet, but I'd say check that out, too. I'm sure it's just as good because George will pretty much answer anything. Yes. And he kind of admitted at one point that he thought when he made that post that at least that should transfer the blame to the licensor. Like, now they'll just be pissed at the licensor. But no. No, we've got to double down. So it's like, well, then what? People are still mad? Oh, my God. What do you want at that point? So if you're still mad after you know it's the licensor, either you think he lied and it's not the licensor, which I don't think anyone's saying that. They think he lied. Oh, really? They really think he lied? Oh, yeah. Even though he gave a full detailed explanation of exactly what happened. They still think it's just the CYA? Even though he admitted that when they submitted some of the initial art for this, that's when this came up. And they did take a stop, like, oh, okay, we can't use that. Okay, how are we going to do this? He even admitted that. But he still made it up. Is that literally what they're saying? I think they are. Because you only have two angles. Either you're saying he lied, or you're saying, like, well, if they couldn't put guns in the artwork, they shouldn't have done the game. I heard flipping out pinballs is going to put stickers on each one of the cabinets just before they get it. So to ruin every LE, put a gun on it. Well, George Gil has also said there is a plastic that's in the cash box that you can put in the weapons thingamabobby on the right side there that lifts up. That's a plastic that has a gun on it. So when's the Nerf collaboration going to be, or the Super Soaker collaboration? John Wick, but everything has Nerf guns and Super Soakers. That's kid-friendly, right? It's a pinball in water. I want to see that collaboration. There's going to be mods up the ass, gun mods, for this. But I guess the basic thing of it is, at least per the licensor, because pinball, there's no rating system. It's going to be out in public in a public location. They can't have guns on it. Now, if you actually play it, then you've made the decision to play it, so now you can't have guns. So that's why it's in the video. Basically, it's the video. That's why, like, toys, they can have a gun on it because it's got a thing right on there to sell to only this age group. Or a video game, you're supposed to sell to only this age group, and that's why there's guns. He even said for Deadpool, they couldn't put an actual gun-looking gun in the game. It had to look like a blaster, like almost like a toy gun, which they do. Yeah. But really, people still think that's, like, that's not true. Mm-hmm. It's a conspiracy, man. It's a conspiracy. I have no idea. I don't get it. Fuck, maybe it's. Oh, did I say that out loud? Fuck, yeah. Okay. Well, which leads me. I thought of an interesting discussion. Like, for your dream themes, what would be the thing that would make it so even you would say they should just drop the license and nothing? For example, Stern had Hunger Games. And whatever went back and forth with them, they had started on the game. and they just had so many issues that they decided, you know, it might be best in the interest of everybody if we just drop this. I mean, can you imagine a Pats of the Caribbean game without Jack Sparrow? Oh, what? I can't get that at all. How do you even think about that? He's in the artwork, so how can you say he's not in the game? He's not in the game. He's not in the game. He's in the artwork. He's right on the play field. But he's not in the game. But he's on the play field. The play field is not the game. He's not in the game. You don't play the play field. No. You just flop balls around on the play field. Okay. All right. Because I think in a game like everyone's familiar. Well, not everyone. But some people are familiar with the Star Trek Next Generation story. I'll bring that up because, you know, it's one of Zach's favorite games. For the first time they went to Paramount. Paramount told them, you can't have phasers, you can't have photon torpedoes, you can't have any shooting in the game. And they were like, okay, I guess we can't make this game. and then they eventually came back when there were some personnel changes in the Paramount licensing department, and there you go. Now we have twin cannons on the game. Same thing with ACDC. When they first met with the band's management, the band wanted mostly songs from their latest album. Yeah, they went, do you want to sing it? And they were like, no, we want all your songs that everyone knows, and it's like, no. It's like, well, we can't do it. And there was some back and forth, and the compromise was they had to have two songs from their latest album, which are War Machine and Rock and Roll Train. But so, well, Zach, your favorite license, of course, was Pirates. So you say that Jersey Jacks shouldn't have done it because they couldn't have Jack Sparrow in the game. Well, and also Stern, but yes. Especially Jersey Jacks because they actually had a color screen to display zero video clips on. So you needed the video clips or you would have been out. They would have been nice. At least with Stern, they faked the call-outs with like a bad voice actor. but Jersey Deck didn't even attempt to have any call outs for a movie that's like well known for it's lines and stuff okay Bruce ELO they're going to make ELO what has to be in there or you're out what has to be in there the spaceship not any of the songs so we can just have the spaceship what has to be in there is their iconic spaceship that they always use okay if you look at any one of the ELO covers after 1976. Are there particular songs they need to have in there or your house? Oh, yeah, totally. There's a lot of like Mr. Blue Sky and Don't Bring Me Down and you know, maybe Do As Xanadu, then you get the best of both worlds. That might be an extra license because it's in a movie. But, uh... And Yellow. It's like win-win. So, alright. For me, my game that will never be made is Yeah, Beavis and Butthead. Custom call outs for Mike Judge. Yeah. So without custom call outs, you wouldn't buy it, even if Elwin made a Beavis and Butthead game. There's no custom call outs. No, I'm talking about from a licensure standpoint. If you're CERN, you're going to make Beavis and Butthead. It's like, okay, you got the clips, you got this. But Mike Judge, no involvement at all. So for me, I'd be out. No, need that. Without the call outs, you wouldn't do the game. Yeah, I wouldn't do them. Even if you could get all the movie clips and everything, and edit them out as much as you want, and then we'll judge you. Oh, he's got you there. I think you'd take it. I think you'd buy it in a second. I'm trying to do the Jersey Jack thing where they always say, you know, we would make the games without the assets, which then they made Pirates without assets. Well, didn't they say that after Pirates? They've said that throughout the whole thing. Okay, yeah, well, okay, they said after Pirates. Okay, they said it before Toy Story 4. They got all the assets for Toy Story 4. Yeah, they've got the wrong Toy Story. It's Toy Story 4. They've got all the assets. And they said, we chose that. Yeah, they chose that. But then one of the guys that actually worked on the game said, oh, yeah, Disney made us do the fourth one. Speaking of high upset, Pinball Company is lying, you know. Yeah, that's a big one. They like doing that. I'm just wondering now if in a future seminar, Jack Guarnieri of Jersey Jack is going to mention, like, who would do John Wick without a gun? Because every time he has Steve in a seminar, they mention, how could you do Led Zeppelin with us? They were to have it. The thing I don't understand is he intimated that they could have did Jaws, but they didn't because you'd only get the shark. But then Stern does it where they literally get all the assets, except basically Brody on the play field, but he's in all the clips. And, yeah, I don't understand. They must have. I mean, I've seen a few people be like, how could you do Jaws and not have Brody on the play field? Who cares? That's the third guy that you only sort of see in this film? That's the main character. Oh. He's the guy you're supposed to identify with in the movie. If you actually watch the movie. The American team did a pretty good job of fooling you. Yes. Oh, no. Yes. There's the sea guy and... The sea guy. Apparently my grandfather went shark fishing with the guy that that guy was based off of, because my grandfather was a fisherman. Well, not by trade, but by hobby. And then there's the guy with the really 70s glasses and facial hair. Yeah, Richard Drex. And then there's another guy with 70s hair and glass and maybe not glasses. The main guy and that other guy look close enough to me that it took me a while to figure out they were different people. Even though one has a beard and the other one's clean shaven? I'm not staring at the back glass. I'm trying not to drain the ball and failing. Okay. Well, what would Steph's perfect license be? What license does Steph want to see? So, the license that, like... The licenses I want... The thing that kills me is I've already had this problem because all future remakes and ports of the game that I have in mind, the main character's voice has been changed. So, like... This is kind of a moot point for me because... Also, for you, you need the original voice or you're out. I mean, that would be amazing. It's not going to happen. I mean, the... You've already given up. I mean, the license itself isn't going to happen, so... You've already given up. So what is it? You've got to say what it is now. Oh, Tales of Symphonia. I'm trying to think something more realistic, like... That they would actually make. Yeah, like if we did Linkin Park. Yeah, you're not going to get any custom call-outs from the lead singer. Ouch. Unacceptable. I would not buy that game without that. Well, how would you do that? You can't. No. Oh, God. Oh, God. Don't do this to me. That is, I mean, if you get an agreement from the family and all that. I mean, if you do AI call-outs from Chester, then I'm out. That would be a deal-breaker for me. Even if they made a deal with the family and they get all the proceeds? Fuck. Because that's like, we were talking about this before, because I guess James Earl Jones signed over his voice to like Disney, so they can just use him. Not anybody when I'm retiring. Yeah, Disney made an offer you can't refuse. Yeah. I don't know. I have, oh, God. At least James is still alive, though. Like, the family signing over is a bit more cheesy than that. I mean, we couldn't agree to it. Yeah. Like, when they revived some tracks from Meteora that were, like, never released, there were some AI videos that they put with that, and that kind of sucked to see. Oh, my God. No, the AI. No, because it's like, then it would be in Foo Fighters. Would you put Taylor Hawkins' voice in AI? That would. No, man. Good point. No, man. We've been a lot of cool call-outs if they do the call-outs. Tribute? Obviously. Pay tribute. I always assumed it was going to be David Grohl and Taylor Hawkins doing the call-outs until Taylor Hawkins died. I always assumed that's probably what happened, and that's why they went with the different direction with the call-outs there. Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised that. I have no evidence of this. Yeah, I have no evidence either, but that seems logical to me as well, that it would have been banned call-outs, but then that happened, and it's completely reasonable that they would no longer do that. David Grohl and Taylor Hawkins were kind of joined at the hip. They were like a package deal. They were like brothers. So I could have totally seen that, and when Taylor died, I could totally see, like, okay, I can't do the call-outs now. Yeah. So what did everyone think of the pinball machine called John Wick? Wow, we're actually going to talk about it. So, yes, they did a weird – they did the trailer. Well, you got an email while we were at Allentown. Yes. Because you're on that distributor list thingy or whatever. So you knew it was confirmed on what, Friday? Yes. And they were going to have – Yeah, Friday. What were they – they were going to have – The video released before. Well, no, when's the meeting you guys get to attend? It's the day before. The day before, yes. It was Monday. And then a picture leaked out the day before, which I assume was from that meeting, because it almost looks like someone took a picture of their monitor during some of the marketing things. Like they were watching the marketing things that were being shown in the meeting and took a picture. Oh, you're going to be forced. Yeah. So, which the picture didn't show much. So, they managed to keep this under, you know, no, this didn't really come out. Everyone knew it was going to be John Wick, but, I mean, you didn't see a bunch of stuff from it. No, you didn't see a bunch of stuff from it. So, that was pretty good this time, I have to say. Um, then they had the video reveal. Well, they had the teaser, so they don't show the game. Then they have the actual game reveal. 1,000 LEs. Yep, they unveil the three different art packages. All the pricing's the same. It's from Jaws. Uh, then they had, we're going to have a game. Jimmy's the designer for the rules. Yes, he's the head programmer. Um. Music from Anthrax. Some guy from Anthrax and Pantera, which confused me. Because when I think of Pantera, I think of the two brothers that are dead. and what's his name, Phil Anselmo. So is the other guy the bass player or is he the current guitarist of Pantera? I don't know. Yeah. So they had the gameplay reveal on a live stream on Friday. It was the new room. Their new room, you know. Their new game room, yes. So I got to watch it, and I gave everyone the task of making sure they watched it. Yes, sir. And I couldn't. Oh. Wait a minute. You still didn't watch it? I was working. I've been working today, too. That was Friday, Bruce. Yes, and I worked all day yesterday, and then I worked at the coop, and I work today. I actually have a real life I have to do sometimes. You promised you would look at this. No. I looked at it for two minutes. Oh, okay. So you saw it for two minutes. Steph, have you seen the stream? Steph is on mute. Yeah, I know she is. Or did she drop it? I watched it. She watched it. Okay. I watched it in part. You heard me watching it in part. Yep, that's good enough. Zach, did you watch it? Three minutes. Nice. So it's all leading up to you, Ron. Well, no. I'm going to have opinions. No. Zach hates everything, so let's just start with Zach. So, Zach, what do you think? You probably hated it. I like the idea of the enemies blocking shots. Okay. Anything about the play field? Looks a bit boring. Well, come on. Are you going to say your ramps to flippers comment? It has too many ramps, yeah. Yeah, Zach's thing is if it has more ramps than flippers, it could be a problem. Could be. It definitely has a lot of ramps, and the nightclub also didn't really seem to do much. They'd always go in there, get one pop up in their hand, and fall back out. It's your love gun. Well, that's the thing. This was designed by, I've got to get the name, Elliot Elliot Eismin. Did I get that right? It does really. If you told me it was done by whoever did Kiss, I would have believed you. Borg. Yeah. Borg. If I didn't know it was a new designer, Elliot Elliot Eismin, he's a mechanical engineer there. He's been there like 10 years. So this is his first game. If you didn't announce that was who it was, I would have said Borg. Yeah. Just because you have Bashtoy in the middle. Actually, there's two Bashtoys right next to each other in the middle of the play field. You have the Love Gun Kyro Swordsman area, including, I think, the Alien Premium had the drop target in front of it, and the pro doesn't, just like Kiss. So, yeah, I would have said, like, oh, that's Borg, 100%. Although, funnily enough, in the chat, like, a lot of people didn't, like, when I was starting, and everyone saw the layout, a lot of people think it was Gomez for some reason. Gomez? I don't understand why you think it was Gomez. I don't see that either, but, like, a lot of people are like, oh, is this a Gomez? Is this a Gomez? So what did you think of, like, what are the toys in the game? It's got the moving target thingy on the right. Like, you hit a target, and the whole thing lifts up so you can hit past it into a hole. That goes to a buck. Yeah. I mean, I'd never seen that before. It looks like that was a new mech. It looks really weird. It's like a giant block of plastic. Yeah, blocking a shot until you hit it. I mean, blocking a shot makes sense. and maybe a play sign, it looks like a really weird thing to just take up that much space on a play field. It's like half the size of Rudy's head. I like the LE idea with the moving car, like the car that moves. Oh, the premium LE? Yeah, it blocks two shots. It mostly moves in the Pro, but not as much. So I wonder if it's like, no, I heard it moves on the Pro, too, but it might be, you know, on the Star Trek, the Vengeance ship, it moves on the Pro, but does it really move, move, like fall down into the playfield like the premium and le do it does i guess i'm guessing something like that but yeah it's got a car a bash toy car you hit it and it's it just slides right over to the side so you got another shot it's three ramps uh what do we think of the art other than the fact it doesn't have guns it's pretty the playfield art wasn't that wowing me it was cool but it The lighting is awesome. The lighting is awesome. The lighting is awesome. Yeah. So this has the expression lighting. This is the Stern's first non-music pen, non-band pen with expression lighting. And the reverse course, because with Led Zeppelin and Rush, you could get the, well, Led Zeppelin and Rush, the LE comes with the expression lighting. You could buy it for the premium and pro eventually, whenever it's available, which doesn't seem to happen often. Or buy it for your scheme and stick it in. Or, yes. Foo Fighters, they went with the LE gets the expression lighting, the premium you can buy it for it and install it but the pro, you can't put it in the pro so that must have not went well because very next game or is it the next game? Or a couple games later the next game with expression lighting it's like, okay, you can get it for all the models now again I did think the lighting looked really nice I think the lightning looks awesome in the background with the pretty continental in the background for the skyline I think it really I surprised they got Yeah they got neon I surprised they got the likenesses as many people as they did that were in the movie I just think the artwork, the faces a little bit. The faces look a little weird. They got weird lesser amounts of color going on, sort of trying to make it look comic book-y a bit in some ways. Yeah, I understand that part. I just think they aren't looking cheap, though, to me. They can't afford enough colors. Was Halle Berry or Lawrence Fishburne in there anywhere? Don't think so. I don't think I saw them. And I couldn't find, I didn't see Donnie in on the play field. He's probably on there somewhere or on a plastic, because he's on the L.E.'s on the whole side of the cabinet, so I figure he's probably somewhere else in the game. I just didn't see it. They got dogs on the slings. I like that. They got this stained glass, like, raised stuff on the backless for the L.E. That looked really cool. I want to see that in person. Yeah, I want to play the game. I'm very interested in it, but I wasn't, like, wowed. Okay, Bruce, when's the last time you were wowed by a game? Godzilla. So when the building fell, you were like, holy, I was like, holy fuck, this is cool. I do like the rule idea with Timmy where it's AI and it actually reacts to what you do on the play field. That's pretty cool. Oh, yeah, so it's AI and, yeah, the game will adjust how it attacks you based on your skill level or how you're doing. Yes, how you're doing. It's not actually, like, the type of AI that's, like, the buzzword these days, but they can still use it as a buzzword even though it's actually AI instead of fake AI. Yeah. Actually AI versus fake AI. Yeah. Well, like, in, like, a video game or something, you have, like, you know, the other characters who are bots going around, like, they're powered off AI, but it's just coding to make them act certain ways. but that was what was thought of as AI in games before something got co-opted to be machine learning. So AI in video games is not machine learning? Nope. Nope, not at all. It's just autonomous character interactions? Yeah. It's going to take over the world and kill us all. This part of the show is brought to you by Birdo Moon. Birdo Moon, the supplier of shitty shack parts. Back to our regular show program. I'm doing commercials now. Come on. Are you getting on his case? No, he helped. Oh, he did. We say shitty Shaq parts. It's not shitty Shaq parts. It's shitty Shaq parts. Yes. Okay, so that was actually a compliment. Wow. Oh, yeah, totally. That was a great compliment, Bruce. Yes, we're going to keep him going through all the day. Good Lord. What was the last game to wow Zach, or has that ever happened? I don't know. Layout-wise, I was really impressed seeing Venom Premium. I don't actually like the way it shoots, but just, like, the amount of stuff and all the habit trails and all the crazy stuff. I was like, wow, that looks sort of impressive. And then he played it. And then I played it. Okay. What's the last game to wow Steph? What is wow? I don't know. What wows you? Like, to not be jaded as we are because we see so many games. Like, you saw a game, it's like, wow! You went, ooh. I mean, I'm always cautiously optimistic about a game. Well, you don't have to be cautious. Yeah, what did you say? I want that. Take my money. Well, if I had money. If you had money. Um, Foo Fighters, probably. But that's because I'm a fan of the Foo Fighters. Like, the theme was like, hell yeah. Yeah, you didn't even need to see the playthrough to know you wanted to play that one. Yeah, you just have to tell me that, oh, yeah, we're doing Foo Fighters, and I'll be like, what? The last game that wowed me, I actually bought. Wow. With Stranger Things? Oh, that's right. You didn't buy Stranger Things, but you love it. I do like Stranger Things, yes. But you didn't buy it. No, I didn't buy it. I bought Elton John. Hold me close. Time to dance. I finally got to play one. Uh-huh. At Allentown. Uh-huh. I liked it. Uh-huh. You got to play the one at level zero. It's the best playing one ever. Really? Do I have to? Well, according to Zach. Zach's certified. If it's Zach's certified, that's the ultimate. It's certifiable. He's back. I'm thinking of a sicker man that can just put on games and actually play good. This is Z-approved. Z-approved. Yeah. Of course, it'll be all of his games. Well, yeah, of course. Sometimes I'm disappointed by my own games, too. Every Black Rose will just get snack, snack, snack, snack, snack. All the deals. Most Black Rose I've played play, like, complete shitty. Yeah. So anything else on John Wick? The thing they did that was interesting, they did non-pinhead marketing. Oh, yeah. It was pretty cheesy. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That guy that was – the one video from the guy from the – I carried one up. Oh, he was terrible. Well, they had – Jesus Christ. He was douchey. Yeah, one guy I've never seen before. He was – yeah, I got to go to the Sturt Factory to play John Wick. That video was out. There was another video with some other guy playing it with Zach Sharp, the head of marketing. And then they had – Timmy was on a podcast. Yes. Which, again, I should have the name up, but I don't. I'm sorry. No big deal. I did not prepare enough, obviously. But it was a non – Hang on. I didn't listen to it yet, so it should be in my podcaster. Let me just look through my 131 podcasts. So, yeah, it's not the usual, you know, pinhead podcast. It's like they're trying to do the marketing outside of their bubble. They listened to Bruce Lee Tripskill to go about marketing in new ways and tried it out. They tried it out, but they tried it out with the wrong people. No, no, they tried it out with the wrong people who were way too, oh, my God. So you don't want people who are excited about it? No, no, no, I don't mind if they're excited. Yeah, shills. Oh, okay. Schilling was really douchey. Okay. The best thing about it was playing with Josh. Oh, my God. I was sitting at the end going, oh, my God. Well, playing with Josh? Or it was Zach or whatever. It was Zach. Sorry, Zach. Zach. You know, the one I just said. I don't listen to you. Well, I'm confused because one of the other programmers that worked on the game and actually was on the stream was Joshua Henderson. So I thought maybe you meant that. confused me. No. That's the weird thing. I see all these, like, kids I remember playing in tournaments and they're all working at pinball companies now. Yeah. And some of them you didn't invite in the podcast first. Yeah, some of them were on our podcast first. We made them famous. That was a big missing your ass part. Well, the best ones are the ones that are on our podcast. Everyone knows them. Of course they are. They're Zag approved. I mean, look at Timmy. He's head software guy. He's the head. Hello, farm to hedge. That's Foo Fighters. So not a fan of the marketing effort? No, I think it was really cheap. It was like, if you're going to market it, market to everyone at the same time. They didn't market to any podcast. They went to like two or three other podcasts, maybe taking my going outside the box a little bit, but you still didn't go to podcast or until after, like a day or two after they released it. I still like the idea of going outside the bubble because it is a small bubble. It is a small bubble. They need to do it a better way. Because, give me an example. I'm on Twitch, and I'm going on the pinball category, and there's some dude there streaming, and I see, what was it, 40? Yeah, it was like 4,500 people watching. What the hell? Is there some new reveal coming out? I mean, Stern didn't get more than probably 1,000 for this reveal, and there's some 45 people. Some guy I'd never seen, never heard of. I can't remember what game he was streaming. But he was streaming an actual pinball game. It wasn't even – I figured it would be visual pinball or something, but it wasn't. It was an actual game. So I'm like, okay, what does this guy normally stream? Because there's no way. Yeah. And I looked, and he normally streams like Grand Theft Auto, it looks like. Yeah. So he's bringing – that's the audience. Yeah. Why didn't we drive him to talk about John Wick? Yeah. There you go. But, I mean, it's such a small bubble. I think they really do have to try to advertise. Oh, they need to get out, but it was just really, really silly. They have to make sure they don't piss off the core audience too much. You get the Radio Shack syndrome. I always bring up Radio Shack. Yes. Because they were basically, they were, you know, a store that electronics hobbyists used. And it was very popular. But at some point they decided, like, we want to sell cell phones instead. and pissed off their core people. And, yeah, they went in the shitter. And they went in the shitter. Yep. It looks like it's the Remap podcast. Remap. Remap. Remax. I love that. They sell houses and everything. Remap. R-E-M-A-P. I'm assuming. Looks like it, yeah. Okay. So anything more about John Wick? I think we beat that. We're going to wait and see and play it. Now we wait to get reports directly. Then we wait to see if we get one at RPC. Because since it wasn't an Elwin, Zach didn't buy it immediately. Nope. So, yeah, we'll have to see if one ends up at RPC. I don't understand how this is somehow a bad thing that I actually buy pinball machines sometimes. No, it's not a bad thing at all. It's not a bad thing at all. I'm just surprised because you seem to hate everything. To most of our listeners, you just always hate everything. You bring it up that I actually buy Elwins. It's supposed to be a good thing. Well, you hate everything. All the games you buy always seem to be older EMs and stuff. So to hear, like, I bought this brand-new Stern might surprise some people. Yeah. I know it surprised me when you were buying it. Which you sold after a month. Yes, which you sold after a month, yes. Of the last, like, how many Sterns, what percent have I bought? Foo Fighters. Jaws. Rush. Rush. Jurassic Park. Yep. Godzilla. Yep. So you're pretty much a Stern boy. Yeah, you're Mr. Stern. Out of how many? Like 50%, 30%? Like what are we thinking? Probably 50. Yeah, I'd say so. Probably 50. I'd say so. And then you went the spooky route. You did. Yeah, you still have your... It's increasingly hard to actually find a list of like all the Stern games that have come out. Did you sell your Scooby yet? No. Okay. I went to buy a Scooby. You're more than welcome. It's in the back of the car PC. Not played. Never at the RPC. It's still home use only. Just in storage. Let's all bow our heads in a moment of silence for Susan. Back, Linny. Everyone knows, and everyone has met or seen Susan all the time on pinball. Do you know who this is? I don't even understand what you just said. I do, but that's because I just happened to see it earlier today. See? I don't know, Bruce. She is the person swimming in the Jaws back glass. Is she the person in the back glass? Is that the thing? The back glass. Yeah, the back glass. But is it the same person that's in the movie or is it the person in the poster? Because it's probably a different person. They say it's in the movie, so. I don't know if it's the same person. All right. It's detecting the person. So Zach is almost at 50%. Yep, 6 out of 13. Why are we battling our heads? Did she die? She died. Oh, Jesus. Okay. It's a bit more related. So she was the one who gets killed at the beginning. Yes. First person ever getting... First victim of... Yeah, I believe she was a stuntwoman. First victim of Bruce. She was a stuntwoman, but she had no issues doing the nudity. So they're like, perfect. You're in. We're going to do it. And they had cables on her and were jerking her back and forth when she's getting... Yeah. So, okay. She was also apparently like a metal-earning swimmer. so perfectly suited for the role basically yeah boy my numbers for Stern are pretty low I think the last new Stern I bought was yeah what was the last new Stern you bought did you buy Sterns I did Tron? no X-Men X-Men I was last one no was it something sooner you'd think so You'd think so, but I remember you got Tron before X-Men, I think. I got X-Men. Game of Thrones. Game of Thrones. I did get Game of Thrones. Oh, you got Game of Thrones. Okay. I got the premium Nightmare. Oh, Star Trek. Oh, that was before Game of Thrones. Have you bought any LCD sterns? No. Oh, yes. Yes, I have. Oh. We have an RPC. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah. Batman. Batman. Batman 66. There you go. And I got that from the IFPA discount. Thanks, Josh. Thanks, Josh. Back when you were ranked high enough. Yeah, now I'm not. Now I'm almost 2,000. But that's why I haven't bought any more games. Yeah, exactly. The only reason. The only reason. The only reason. Okay, ready for the ball bag? I thought we were going to talk about repairs on a shit shack. And the Birdo Moon Show. Baby Sid Stack. Shit shack. Okay, Bruce. So you want to talk about repairs first? Okay. He's the boss, Ron. He's the co-host. Yeah, I feel like the more guests we have, the less power I have, whereas you guys can do whatever the hell you want. Awesome, see? We tested a new product here on the Sloan Tilt Podcast. We did? We did. I don't know what product that is, but I'm sure you'll tell me. We saw all the videos for it. Oh, you didn't see it. Sorry. No, you didn't. But Zach's the one that brought up to me with our other co-owner, Mark. They actually had the scoreboard display for Shaq in the back with the baskets. Shaq and? And Hoops. And Hoops. Both of those. The basketball-dedicated scoreboard from Premier. Yes. For the three digits for each player. They remade from, what was the name of the company again? Wolfpack. Wolfpack. Yeah, Wolfpack. and we're the first ones who bought one. We bought it for the shit shack that was at the co-op, and it ended up like baby shit shack, and it worked perfect. Building it took like 35, 40 minutes, yet if it all displays in, put one connector on, worked awesome. I got me a display. It's as big as a whale, and it's about to set. And it's in a shit shack. We finished that up. I'm going to be emailing the gentleman for Shit Shack. And since Birdo Moon, thank you Birdo, sent us a lock assembly for, and he sent us an old board, which I didn't need luckily, but he sent us a lock assembly post for the shack. We are now fully up and running with that Shit Shack. 100% shit, 100% shack. It is a Shit Shack. That game is really, really bad. Literally, I played it for like a minute, and now he's up to like 300 million. I'm like, what? I feel like those relay contacts are going to go bad in a week. I've been hitting the relays every day and playing it. I'm just going to tell him to keep on playing it. But it does spin and move the motor right away. Which is a good thing. If not, he'll better have to get a Dremel. I don't want to replace the contacts. It'll be another half hour of work. We'll have Jared do it. He'll replace the contacts. He likes it. Hey, Jared. One of the other owners, for those who have no idea who that is, yes. He's our contact replacing expert. He's our contact replacing expert. I need to get him here. I need some contacts replaced on games at home. I know. We'll just bring games to our PC, and then we can do it there. Yeah. You've got to bring home a game soon. Do I? Well, you can always leave Stargate. Next repair. Oh, yeah. What other repairs? First after bringing Steph's cabinet home. Yes. Still on the to-do list. So the next repair was Viper. Uh-oh. Hopefully the turret's working. Well, the turret wasn't working. Oh, that's not good. The turret was working backwards. Backwards. It would stop pointing straight down. So you could load it directly from the flipper. Yeah. We fixed that. We ground away. Well, on the bottom of the motor, there is an old PCB. It looks like a stepper motor board with contact fingers. Fingers that drag around some traces in a circle. And one we broke apart and dremeled away because it was shorting out to the next contact. Once I did that and put it back together and we got the alignment right, we're pretty close. It works. It did die once on me. It stopped at the 4, like the 4 o'clock position, Zach. I was like, why did it stop there? But it then turned around and worked the next time it went in there. So that's a little wonky. What else we got? Just getting games up and running. Mark was trying to work on Embryon. Yawn. Yep, Zaxxicles and Yopzicles all in one. They're going to live in harmony in Embryon. And then the Spire Nation attacked. Yeah. You're trying to make the avatar of X-icles. Yeah. Avatar-icles. It's going to glow differently in four different colors. Yep. But, yeah, so that's all that. Zach got his sit-and-printy all set up, and that's playing pretty darn good. Me and Robert were playing that yesterday, having fun with that in the back room. Yeah, I had one issue when I got it, which was that the rototarget would not move. and tried it because one of the sleeves on the lights to make the lights colors had fallen off and gotten stuck between the real target and the wall. So once I got that out, then it's been playing 100%. Yeah, which is good. And then I haven't even touched Counterforce yet. That will be a next project. But I did get targets for it thanks to Zach. For a guy that just bitched about Gottliebs for so long, he's got a lot of Gottliebs. When did he bitch about Gottliebs? we have to cater to the other players in the world. We want to be the most diverse pinball hall in New York State. And I think we're doing very good at that. We're already with that for like ever. We can be the most diverse pinball location in the Northeast, probably. Probably? Maybe. I don't know, maybe... Does the pastimes pinball arcade count as the Northeast? Ohio's not the Northeast, shut up. Yeah, that's Midwest. I have some repairs. Yeah, your repairs are very insignificant because you have all these new games that never break down. Okay, World Cup soccer. That's an old game. That's an old game. Goal stops registering. Goal! Yeah. And I was there, like, I know from previous working on that. It's an opto down there, and I'm like, please tell me the wire just came off. Please tell me the wire just came off. The wire came off. Yes. Okay. Sorry, the wire back on fixed. Thank God. I wish I had these hard ones. We've got a lot of broken wires at the RPC. We were talking about this yesterday, weren't we, Zach? Yep. They vanished. The right flipper was not stable at all. It was wobbling all over the place. So that was the bushing at come loose. Did you use the number eight screws like I told you? The number eight screws. Because whatever wider screw would not fit in the actual bushing hole. Oh, yeah, you got to drill that a little bit. No, I just did a slightly longer screw. And I filled in the holes, and then I put those screws in. And it seems to be holding just fine, at least for now. For now. For now. And that's it. That's all I got for repairs. Wow, that was a lot. Yep. I'm sorry I don't have, like, 100 games like you guys do. Get on it. So, Steph, do you have any repairs? Uh, no. She needs a lot of repairs. So all your games are working great? Uh, no. Get on that. Come on. No. What was the last repair you did on the games, Steph? I played the fifth. Wait a minute, you replaced the ball popper thingy on your black rose That was like five years ago Yeah, I thought that might be the last major repair There you go There you go That was harrowing Yeah, I'm impressed you got that one done I'm impressed I got that one done too Do you have any idea how hard it was to reach that part, Alan? Yeah, it is a pain in the ass to get at that thing Yeah, now imagine you're me with T-Rex arms And you're like 4'2 or something Something like that I think it's 4'3 Don't cut her short Sell her short Yeah, don't sell her short Cut her short Oh, okay Are we ready for the ball bag now? I love a good ball bag Because there's a lot of stuff in the ball bag Oh my There's nothing from Steph in there, so She's on, so she'll need that She needs that too Want me to start writing something? Well, no, I think someone went to the Steph school of writing because it looked very long with multiple paragraphs. Oh, hell yeah. Not multiple paragraphs. Okay, first one we got is from Cole. Hi, Cole. Hi, Cole. Hey there, DPXers. Yeah. Dual penetration extreme. Extreme. Oh, God. The last episode was as some as usual. Let's see. Zach, were you on our last episode? I think you were, like, for five minutes. Was it Beth Sanon? Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was. The reason Zach could only come on the show a little bit is that he sucked all of his own energy and didn't have it in him to do a full show. Okay. Wow. There are many oh my's in this last sentence. Ron, you are correct that in Game of Thrones, the main girl walked through the streets of the town naked while they yelled shame at her. See, I knew I remembered something like that. But, let's see, I was at least being nice saying, you just had to hold a picture of the Spider-Man that was hurt, and you can keep your clothes on. Ugh, my poor Spider-Man. Yeah, you fucked that up pretty good, didn't you? Thanks. He's being very considerate. While Bruce gave reasons A and B on why Ray Day hasn't defended Dialed In, he forgot reason C. Raymond works at Stern, and he likes his job. That being said, Donovan is just a black game at best. Saying Donovan is the best Jersey Jack game is like saying picking up fresh dog shit instead of old dog shit is better because it's warmer. It's still dog shit. I might not be reading any more emails from Cole anymore. I love this one. Speaking of Jersey Jack games, Elton John being their best so far is not that hard. is it is Spider-Man 3.0 or Star Trek 2.0, which are great shooting games. Even a crappy theme like Elton John can't ruin a play field that good. It is a good play field. It's the price that kills it. Of the three, which is the best? What? Spider-Man, Star Trek, or Elton John. Which Star Trek next gen did you say? No, the one that's based off the same layout. No. The one that you own. I actually, each one has a good point to it. That's why I kind of like it. But I do like the extra fuck on the one. God, it's really hard. I'll go with Elton John. I really enjoyed playing it. Wow, that made a hell of an impression. It really did. Next would be Star Trek and finally would be Spider-Man because I got rid of it. Lastly, as that useless turd Mike from Homepin getting the rights to the great movie Blues Brothers just to fuck it up. Well, to be honest, he didn't get rights to the movie, just the Blues Brothers themselves. He needs to get a visit from all the Illinois police, the good old boys, and lastly the Illinois Nazis to get some serious DPX so he can never walk or talk to get another license like this to fuck up. I agree. Steph's like, I don't understand any of those references. I have a lot of questions, and I don't know if I want answers. Steph, you need to watch the movie this week. You need to watch the movie. Who the hell are you guys? Where do I find this movie? Okay, God. Let me find out what streaming service has it. God, you killed me. I have it in 4K. I can upload it somewhere. Maybe you can download it. Gimme. It's like 10 gig, though. I don't know. Does Google Drive go up that much? I might have to do it multiple parts. Just to be sure, he needs to be tied to the bumper of the Bluesmobile because it's 106 miles to Chicago. We have a full tank of gas, a half a pack of cigarettes. It's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses. Hit it. Hey, you and the guy. I still love that. Hey, you. On the motorcycle. Tell your friends. That way his dumb ass can get dragged behind the car like the dog in Vacation and cannot do any more harm in the pinball world. I was surprised they didn't have the dog in John Wick. Oh, that was dead. They have dogs in John Wick. I know, but it's not the. Your faithful STD, Cole. Thank you. I love my faithful STD. Yeah, you can only buy it. You can only rent it on streaming, so it might be up to Ron. to give it to the illegal copy. It's not illegal. I bought an actual 4K. Well, you can give it to her, then it's illegal. Okay. That's the problem. Next one is from our Scott. Hi, Scott. Hi, Scott. Scott, where's my spinners? He said, I sent a couple links about there is Spike 2. Oh, it's a Spike 2 click-fix board. So if you don't like the clicking, when you turn on a Spike 2 game, you can get this board to get rid of the clicking. That's pretty petty also. Yeah, I didn't realize that was there. I didn't even think that was a problem. Well, you guys are used to turning on your games, you know, with ten other games already on, so you don't get to hear it clicking. Let's see. Poop-a-Duke. I wasn't trying to spike games at home. Poop-a-Duke. He might hate, Scott might hate John Papadiuk more than anyone. Poop-a-Duke Star Wars Episode I. The machine is better than the movie, but barely. Barely. I would play the machine over watching any of the movies. Wow. Considering that it only got about two minutes into even the Phantom edit, I still couldn't watch it. Horrible dreck. Wow. I mean, I watched all three of the prequels. Let's see. Side note, Lucas selling everything for about $8 billion was really dumb. No wonder Disney snatched it up. I don't think Disney's made their money back on it yet with the money they've lost. At least the venture capitalist group didn't get it to carve it up and squeeze it even more than Disney is. They're doing a pretty bad job with it, though. Yeah, I find it hard to believe that Adventure Capitalist Group could squeeze it more than Disney is. Yeah. We're making as bad of movies as there are. Okay, Jeff. This is from Jeff. Hi, guys. On your last episode, you failed to mention a very significant event. Tis, tis. It makes me wonder if you are real fans. Okay, last week on SNL, there was a sketch with a real-life Beavis and Bonhead. Yes. They snickered and hawed and sang. Thing is, they sucked. I mean, even you two dumbass clowns could have done better. Yeah, I know. Oh, well, at least they can go back and see what you should have been doing. No, no, they're talking about having a show after that fucking skit. The skit was pretty funny. It was okay. At least ten people sent it to me after the fact, of course, to make sure. Carry on making decent pin casts, and maybe one day we'll get a Beavis and Butthead pinball machine. One of these years. What the hell, boy? You know, back in my day. Damn it. Yeah, cool. All right. Let me put that in here. Let's see. Next one is from Daniel. Hi, Daniel. Or actually, that might be the last name. Whoops. Sorry. I won't get the first name. Listen to my first show. Oh, God. Oh, no. Thanks for calling out Eric Stone on his typically bad behavior. Be good if pinball is not entitled to you to treat people bad. Maybe he will learn this lesson before someone knocks him out. Nobody. I've never seen any physicality in pinball. Unless you're drunk, stupid, and go to a pinball show and be an asshole. Oh, yeah, that. And TPF. I saw the aftermath of someone getting beat up. Wrong about dialed in. It's good. Thank you. Great banter, and I usually don't enjoy. Oh, great banter, which I usually don't enjoy. I think he's saying he usually doesn't enjoy banter, but he likes our banter. Really bad singing, though. Oh! What? How can he like the banter but hate the singing? What? I mean, then again, he likes out ends. We know his taste is bad. Oh. The banter is the singing. Yeah. I would say we are the best singers in all of pinball podcasting. And you also sing the most of any pinball podcast. But I'd say we're the best. Definitely. Agree. No schematics is bad. The fun is infectious. New fan here. The pinball place. He's from the pinball place, Brunswick, Georgia. Uh-oh, he's not going to like the southern accent you did earlier. Oh, I did it, too. Golly! Sarge! All right. Oh, God. Okay, this is a long one. This is the bastard son of Pinbot. Oh, why are you going to say that? Oh, that guy. Oh, that guy. Yeah, because I think he... He made fun of Zach. Yeah, he made fun of Zach. Yes, he did. Great, thanks, Ron and Bruce. I want to follow up on Turd Base, the debut game from Bastard Son Pinball. The response has been overwhelming to our valued customers. We want to fill you in on the revolutionary features of Turd Base. You like the pin bar? This is the pin buffet. Let's see. The back glass. We heard you guys loud and clear. You love the 80 Stranger Things effect. Am I right? But we don't have that budget. So instead we're going to give you the Gottlieb 80B era translate. Picture this, a smoking hot bad girl's chick in a leather top and fishnest stockings trying to hit a baseball with a bat that she's not even holding right. Something's not quite right about her, like the camera guy never warned her about taking the picture or something. Then an old Gottlieb executive dressed as a catcher squatting behind her with his glove out. So like the old photo realistic back lesson. The play field. In the old days, the art was stenciled only with a few colors on the palette to save money from the bill of materials. Our play field, it's just a baseball diamond in space, which I think should be black. Space is black, right? The cabinet is made of particle board, especially the kind that if you squeeze on it, oh, if you sneeze on it, it immediately puffs out and deteriorates. But at least it's light as shit. I'll see this. The Mexican cool toys. We told the other pinball manufacturers, hold my beer. You think you can cut costs. We're going to give you some CAD files. Blues Brothers is supposedly the first open source pinball machine. Turb Base is the first working project pinball machine. You create the post and plastics. Wow. Well, we didn't mention that about Blues Brothers. It's supposed to be the first open source pinball machine. Yes, we did last time. We did. Oh, we did? Oh, yeah, we did. Technically, America's Most Haunted was supposed to be the first open source, and they just didn't do it. Yeah. So, Multimorphic isn't? No, they're not open source. Okay. No open source. So, the rules, not 100% figured out yet, but it definitely needs the repeatable ramp shot that scores no points. And when you hit it, dead silence. Also, we need a reprise of the Shaq attack callout, shoot the spinner. And get this, there'll be no spinner. It just keeps barking at you. I'd love that callout. Shoot the spinner. That would be funny to say shoot the spinner and there's no spinner. There's one scoop on the game, and when you hit it, bam, wizard mode. Every time. Doesn't matter if it's lit. You've completed anything. The game's even turned on. Wizard mode. Congrats. You just beat turd base. So what do you think, guys? Does the game sound great? No, it sounds like a turd. Turd. I was also confused on the check. I don't even know which spinner wants me to shoot. Oh, there's more than one? Even better. It's funny. I just announced on your stream once, and so far the money keeps coming in. I've already sold a season pass, whatever the hell that is. It's a home run for Turd Base and the BS Pinball Company. Thanks for promoting it. Okay, Turd Base. You heard it here from the bastard son of Pinbot. Mm-hmm. Let's see. Stompsticks Registration. Oh, no, that's someone who wanted to register, and I think they did. Yes, they did. Okay. Oh, specialty. This is from Scott. Not our Scott, another Scott. He has a Stern Stars question Ready Gods of classic Stern pinball Wow We gods now I have a question pertaining to my recently purchased Stern Stars A very wise decision, purchasing that game. The chime box sucks. I was told by the previous owner it was rebuilt, and it looks to be the case. However, the sound is terrible. I have loosened the top screws to allow more movement of the chime bar, but not much difference. You hear the strike against the chime bar more than the actual chime. Your advice on making this better, please. Also, I see that there is a mod to add a soundboard to eliminate the chime box. Yeah, okay. I need to get your thoughts on this as well. So you heard Bruce's thoughts. No, no sound. No soundboard. No. CERN 4. If it's a 4-chime CERN, rebuild it completely with the bushings and the washers. But it says it was already rebuilt. No, no. Don't trust idiots. Do it yourself. Oh, okay. What if he's an idiot? Then guess what? At least you're doing it yourself. So it supersedes the first rule. So you're saying just to rebuild it? Yes. I want other Scott to give us a Rom-Lot of Stern Stars that'll make it work with the soundboard of Dracula. Oh, God, no. No, no, no, no, no. Don't ever do that. Second thing you can do is loosen up both screws a little bit. You might have the back one too tight also. I had a question. Have you ever heard a stern chimebox? Because they are very tinny. They're very tinny, but they do sound better than some of the others. I don't know. The ballet ones are tinny. I don't like the ballet ones. They're just louder. Okay. But the sterns are the tiniest of all. I know. It's the best. I'm just trying to say, if he's never heard one before, he might think that the normal sound of a stern is so bad. Watch a video of ours. Yeah, watch a video. You can also maybe scour the eBay land and try to find another chime box. I mean, it should be a four-bar chime box mounted on a block of wood that will eventually destroy itself, unfortunately. That's the problem with the chime box. So maybe try to find another one. My Stern Scars actually had a Gottlieb chime box in it originally. The one you stole from me. The stole from you? I sold it to Zach. Oh, the Stern Stars and stuff. Yeah, that you cost me money. Yeah. But the time box you sold to me, that money could have gone to Bruce, too. Yeah. Okay. So you cost me more money. Yeah. You bought it, and that was it, you know? But, yeah, you can also check out eBay and see. Sometimes they come up. They do come up once in a while. And see if maybe that helps. Or you just have a spare like me. Or a spare like Bruce. Or two spares like me. Yeah, there you go. Would you be willing to sell that? No. Okay. Wow. Mido's. No one can get another Star or she might need it more. At this point, I could probably build a whole Star or some just parts. Probably could. I have a play field. I have – yeah, I probably could almost. Okay. Last email. Every mech needed on the play field. Last email. Yeah, so do I. Also from Scott. Another Scott. There's lots of Scott. Hi, Scott. How are you? We need to get some initials or nicknames in here. This is getting crazy. Scott S. It was great to see Bruce at Allentown. And sorry I didn't get a chance to give Ron a hug. He's not. How many hugs did you get at Allentown, Ron? I don't think I got any hugs. You got into bullshit? Well, you might have hugged me. Yes, I did. I picked up a nice, that doesn't count. I picked up a nice diamond plate roller games at the show. Roller games. Roller games. And I plan on adding the backbox flashers. let's see would you recommend converting the skate standups to drops I never got a chance to do it yeah Scott's going to so yeah it was the effort was just getting the parts it's something like I'm trying to remember you have the five bank from Judge Dredd and there's five bank that's in what Bad Cats Well, Scott picked up one from Capcom. Capcom. He got it from – Oh, my God. Okay. And it looks like it's going to work better. Because – Because it has the cutouts and the holes for the lights. Yeah, if I remember, the frame for the Judge Dredd one has the – like, you could put 555, like the circuit board. You could just reuse the one that's there. As far as the code, there is a version, I believe – well, Scott would just modify it himself. I think there was a version of the code, the production ROM with the – because you need – The prototype one. The prototype one. Well, no. They did another one. The prototype one had it, but they had – and I'm trying to remember. I think it was John Wart back in the day because he was psycho into roller games. He got one from Planetary Pinball. He got one made where it was the production ROM with the drop target reset code in it. so you weren't playing like the proto-software. You were playing the production software with the reset. But I'm sure our Scott will just create his own software to do it. So there you go. He's asking me for tips on how to make it not suck. I couldn't help him, though. I already sold it, so I never got a chance to do it. What Spelling Skate gives you, I believe, is one of the Williams letters. Which are useless. Well, if you don't carry them over, yes. If you carry them over, it isn't like some kind of hurry up. I'm trying to remember because I always had it in tournament mode, so I never, ever spelled Williams. So I'm trying to remember what it even does. I think it's like some kind of hurry up at the buck thing. Not the side ramp? No, I don't think it's the side ramp. That's very surprising. I thought it was. Someone can correct me on that one, but I thought it was you hit it and you get some super award, but I could be wrong. I'm wrong a lot. So, as we know. And that empties the ball back. I will say one thing. I played a lot of games at Allentown. Really? You played games? I played games. I played a lot of Elton John. That was the best game of the show for me. Wow. Yep. Labyrinth, that is a piece of dog shit. Wow. I was not happy with that game at all. Really? I was in there. I was like, the flippers are strong. I was only me because it was before the show even opened, so it was nice. I had the whole room. And I'm just playing it and going, the call-outs are just, like, really cheesy. The ball would get trapped up a couple times in certain areas, like the left orbit. It was getting caught on. It just wasn't me. I was like, ugh. Texas Chainsaw Massacre, oh, my God, that's terrible. Really? It's funny. These are games that I hear everyone else likes. And Looney Tunes. The comedy was the only thing that made that game even better. You mean made it better than the Texas Chainsaw Massacre? I knew what you meant, but some of our listeners aren't familiar with your Bruce-isms. It was terrible. But Elton John stole it. It was the best game of the show. So all the new games suck except Elton John is what you're saying? That's what you literally just said. I played the premium draws. Oh, the draws. Okay. I wasn't happy with the premium draws. It felt like throw with just the upper play field. I was like, okay. How were the drops on premium Jaws? Did they feel any good? They felt a little better, I will say, a little bit. But it wasn't like, oh, my God, I need to buy this. It was like, okay. Yeah. And the shark that comes out of the boat didn't matter. Yeah. It just, uh, it should have ate the ball. But, yeah, Elton John stole the show. So what do you think of the new games, Zach? Do you hate Labyrinth like Bruce does? Well, the one I played didn't break. Oh, and Pulp Fiction again was okay. Pulp Fiction, but it's been out for a year, so I don't consider it a new game. I thought it was a bit too laid back. All the themes and the callouts and the music were all just very casual. I want a more invigorating game. Yeah, it's a special. Yeah, Sack is just not a casual type. Yeah, but it seemed to shoot okay. Nothing seemed amazing, though. It just seemed average. Okay. Okay, how about Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Looney Tunes? I haven't played any of them that the power was enough to make the game work properly. Okay. Couldn't make the Rams anything. Yeah, it was pretty bad. And I was by myself. I was like, holy crap, these things. Okay, Steph, have you played any of these games in question? Yes. I played Labyrinth at Pinball on Long Island. And? I liked it. There you go. I like having a different opinion. It's supposed to be Bruce who hates everything. I liked it. You see, I wasn't really like, wow, it was a great game. Oh, boy, I wish I'd go buy one. No, I just, I liked it. I mean, Pinball Long Island also has really cool theming. The restrooms happen to have the labyrinth door knockers on them. Okay, so the bathrooms were better than the actual pinball machine. Wow. That's exactly what I said. No, the pinball machine was near the bathroom, so it was cool having the extras. So you got distracted from playing to look at the bathroom. Exactly, that's what I took out of it, too. No. So say something about the pinball machines. Yeah, that was exciting, and you wanted to go talk about them. The super short plunge skill shot, where you short plunge and there's a gap in the habit trail. Like the easiest skill shot ever made? Yeah. Shush, I liked it. It was cool. The game felt really good. But that door knocker on the freaking bathroom door, that was the bomb. Steph's going to punch me next time I see her. I don't think I can reach. For those who don't listen, Bruce is an asshole. I am an asshole. And admit an asshole. Wait, did you actually thought this was a bit? It's not. It's not. It's a bit. Did you see my sweatshirt at Allentown, anyone? Come on. I'm the nicest asshole that you'll ever meet. There you go. Had a switcher saying that right off the bat. Yes, yes. He's an asshole. Major asshole. Major asshole. How many assholes do we have here? Yo. I knew it. I'm surrounded by assholes. Assholes. Okay, how about Elton John, Steph? You play that? Pulp Fiction? What's your opinion on these new games? Jaws. We need to know. Jaws, I need to play one other than the one Zach had. I liked the way that the ramps worked when you, like, the way they feel when you hit them is really nice. Zach's had a temperamental real shot that if you hit it in any way other than from, what was it, the right? Steph, have you played any Jaws besides mine? I don't think I have. You know that every other real shot is worse than mine. Mine's the friendliest one I've seen. Are you kidding? No. And I had to address it multiple times to make it that friendly. Yeah. What about the airball thing? Because you made an airball protector for yours. I still didn't, yeah. And the other ones have the airball and it just falls down on the pop bumper and who knows what happens. Yeah. I don't know how to process that information. I'm going to think about Pulp Fiction. Pulp Fiction was fun. I liked the theming of it. I mean, the movie was... Have you seen the movie? Yeah, I have. Oh, my God. I watched it intentionally after the movie came out. I mean, after the pinball machine came out. You usually do. You usually watch a movie after a movie. So you only watched it because of the game. Okay. Well, it's one of the movies that I probably should have watched eventually anyway. But, yes, the pinball machine. It reminds me of, like, Big Lebowski. You should watch that one, too. I did. It's terrible. I've never seen it. Ron, what are your thoughts on machines? besides, of course, Elton John. Well, wait a minute. Elton John. Steph, Elton John, what do you think? How about Looney Tunes? Checks the K-Zone Mastery. Play any of those? Oh, my God. I've played everything but TCM. But you played the same Looney Tunes I did, so. Yeah. Not bad, huh? So, that's all, folks, for that one. Elton John, I mean, I don't dislike any of these games. They all feel pretty nice. each one of them might have like a shot that irked me but because I've only played one maybe two copies of each I can't tell you if that was just how that game was set up or if that's a commonality like with the real shot I clearly had no idea that was a commonality there was something in the labyrinth that the shot I think it was a shot that went like straight down the middle at the speed of light, and I don't even remember. It's been a couple months since I played that, and I don't know is that how it was set up at Fimbawling Island. Was that a feature of the game at large? Pulp Fiction, I know it plays long, or it kills you immediately. There is no in-between, but it plays fun. And Looney Tunes, some of it feels good. Some of it feels questionable. But again, that was at a show. Like, Elton John, I think, is the only one I've played. Well, Pulp Fiction I played at Interium. And Labyrinth I played at Pimolong Island. Elton John I've played in a home setting. You played the best playing one in existence. It did play pretty nicely. I was really distracted by the animatronic Elton John toy, though. That really entertained me endlessly. Just having his little hands go up and down, up and down, up and down, and then he's looking at you and looking away and looking at you. It's mesmerizing. So that's somehow the thing I most remember of Elton John, even though I enjoyed playing the game. All I can remember is the little Elton toy and how my cell phone has the world's shittiest camera. Camera, yeah, it sucks really bad. And it's increasingly pissing me off now that I know how bad it is. I like to picture what Elton John would sound like if he was actually smashing the keyboard with his fist like that, with no fingers. Yeah, just have his fingers straight down and go... Like he's a praying mantis yanking at the... calling out the keys. After we talk about this, we've got something else. Go ahead. We're done with that, Bruce. No, no, we're done. Oh, you. What did you play that you liked and didn't like? What did I play? I played everything already. I go to every damn show. What do you mean, Ann? I already went over this on previous shows. I'm going to do it again. Oh, you want to do it again because we were just talking about how new people might have missed it. Oh. I don't remember this. Jesus. I'm joking. I'm joking. I mean, Looney Tunes. Okay. You're joking. Okay. I'll move on. We saw some playfields this past weekend, didn't we, Zach? Yeah. And some back glasses, too. Yeah, some back glasses, too. At the show at Allentown. What's the guy that does the playfields? Fantastic Pinball. Fantastic Pinball. Yeah, I was very interested because I posted the picture of the Ali and what else? Oh, they had Countdown there. All the colors seemed super wrong in that Countdown. Yeah, it was really wrong. Too pinkish, definitely. But Ali, I'm like, hey, you selling the Ali playfields? Like, yeah, $1,000. I'm like, okay, let me look at it. And then I went to go get Zach, and I showed Zach, and Zach's like, yeah, no. First, there's a mistake on there. The 10,000 only was 1,000. So that was a bad thing. They missed the zero. And the colors were just washed out. So the play field has dark spots underneath it, and when the inkjet went over it, it doesn't cover it right. It almost looked like ghosting. Would that be a proper explanation, Zach? I have no idea if that's the word for it, but yeah. It looks like it. That's what it looks like. I mean, that's kind of the worst part, though, is, like, they scanned it in, and they didn't redraw the art for most of it. Like, you can see the ball squirrel from the original play field. They just printed it back out on the new art. Yep. And it was pretty bad. I was very disappointed. So when he said 1,000, I'm like, uh, I was being nice. Also, it's a digital printed play field, so it looks like shit no matter what. It does look like shit. So what? Okay. So, Zach, you have this hatred of the digital printing, digital back glass printing, all that. Yeah, I envy people who don't have good eyesight. Well, the problem is this. I'm going to go because I was in digital printing and everything like that. There's usually three speeds when printing for a digital inkjet printer on a large format style, which would be for playfields and for bigger stuff. There is economy mode. There is normal mode. and there's a high-definition mode, we used to call it in our product for Durst. And I feel like all these playfields I see that are printed digitally are printed on the fastest speed, which is not the best ink coverage. And you can actually see the lines from the heads, because the heads actually, there's thousands of nozzles in these heads. And they're shooting ink at a certain angle. And what happens is, the ink, once it hits an object, it's supposed to spread out and cover. And what happens is, it's only supposed to cover so much. So if you're doing it at a fast speed, the ink drops down, hits the wood, and only maybe goes out like a 16th of an inch or a 36th pixel, what they call a pixel. And it's not covering fully, and you see the lines actually from the heads. And the way the head is moving across the whole body. The play field stays in one spot. and the head is moving back and forth. And then, of course, if you go slower, more ink gets laid on there. It spreads out faster because it has more time between, and you get a better lay of the ink on the object, which would be wood here, laying down. And it just seems like everyone's printing it at the fastest speed, and I think it needs to be at the slowest speed. And as Zach said... Is it a cost thing? Oh, guaranteed, because you're laying more ink down. Well, between that, because you guys, I'm sure, would prefer Marc Silk Screen. Yep. Oh, of course, yes. But it looks like nobody does that anymore. One company still does it. Not Playfields, but... Well, one company does Playfields, too, but... Yes, they do. That's good. Well, one less company does backglasses now, apparently, because Shea, who was like the major backlash reproducer and used to Marc Silk Screen anything, is now apparently moving to digital. So the nice Genie repo backlash is going to buy, and that looks like complete shit. Yes. sign in by it. So, is it just cost? Is the Marc Silk screening way more expensive? Oh yeah, way more expensive, way more time consuming, and if you screw up any one of the four or three layers, you're screwed. And you can do big batches. Yes. With digital, you can just run whatever glass you want, one at a time. One at a time. Or to play field, one at a time, as long as you have the play field set up. You've got to actually get all the Marc Silk screens out, load them in the machines. Who still says Marc Silk screening? A company in Germany. The one that's doing these machines. Yeah. And then getaways and... Yes. They're doing social playfields. And they're screwing up. Yeah, then they have to fix stuff. Then they have to fix stuff. And they're very open about it. And they even show, like, each pass will post, like, today we did the whites on getaways. Like, they took a whole day just to print white on their playfields. What's the name of this company? Gutenberg, I think. Yeah. Something like that. So we have to go to a company in Germany to get self-screening now. Yes. They look very nice, though. They are very nice. and we'll see one soon when Mark gets his F-14 one. Well, he already has it in his getaway. Any silkscreen backglasses now? The only place I know that does silkscreen backglasses now is, like, Ron Webb, maybe? Yeah, I think Rob Wetzel does it, yes. He's, like, very small production runs, though. Yeah, and he's only doing old Gottliebs, right, if I remember correctly? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. So that's why you don't see it from any comment. But if you're not that big of a fan. But if you look at the play field I posted on Slam Tilt on our Facebook page, and you look in the upper left-hand corner, you'll see the play field I'm talking about in the picture. I took a picture of it. And then later on, when I saw it up close, I was like, oh, wait a second, that's missing. And it was pretty scary. Everyone going to look at it now? Yes, they're all going to look at it now. Yes. Even in their cars. Yeah. The other thing, like, when you say a big area of flat color, when they silkscreen, like, they mix a whole bunch of that color, and then they print using it. Yes. Yeah, so it's a nice even color. But with printers, right, Bruce, they only have a few actual colors loaded in the ink heads? Well, no. It all depends on the brand. We had six colors, and when I left in 2005, they were bringing out eight color. But they have eight colors, and they mix those, right? You can, yeah. They just sort multiple colors in one spot, and it's supposed to mix together. So if there's a black or a white, they come out really nice because that's a pre-made color they already have. It's a pre-made color. Yeah. Whenever there's a solid area of color that's not one of their pre-made perfect colors, you'll see it's actually like a little grain pattern to it. You can see all the different colors. They spurt it out next to each other. It's slightly staticky looking. Yes, and it's not the best. I will say that. Especially on older stuff that have lots of areas that are large on colors because they used to be Marc Silk screened. It's super easy to see, and it just looks bad. Yeah, so if you look at the play field that I have on the Slam Tilt from May 4th on the Facebook page. The 3X, where in the middle upper left, where the OLLI figures are, you know, the body things, there's the 2X, 3X, 4X, and 5X. Underneath the 3X, it's supposed to say 10,000. It says 1,000, which is a big old oopsie. And somebody was going to get that oopsie. The inserts looked really well. I thought the inserts looked really good. Like, he was matching up inserts really well, and they looked, when you looked on them from the backside, they looked awesome. You mean at the registration, or? Not the registration. I'm just talking about the look, the color of them. Like, he was getting the right inserts. Like, you know how you see some aftermarket playfields, people complaining about the coloring and the inserts? These look right. They look good. The only thing I did notice was the text was a little off on the, if you look at the countdown one, the text for the 3X and 4X is too big. You mean on this lights in the middle? Yeah, lights in the middle. If you look at it. Yeah, that doesn't look right. And when lit is wrong, too. The Fonz is totally wrong. And that drives me up a fucking wall. Yeah, they're very clear, like, putting these out, like, super fast. Yeah, the Ali one looks good. But except for the one with the... Well, the Ali one, I could see someplace they redrew it, that they used the wrong, like, line width and stuff. Yes, they did. They did. I agree. It's a hard thing. Don't get me wrong. I wish we had the files for this stuff, so we could reprint it and do it right. But, yeah, I was disappointed. Well, to be more positive, what would you have to do to make this work? Get a really good play feel, get a good scan. No, the quality of the play feel doesn't matter because you need to redraw it all anyway. Yeah, exactly. If you're not drawing it, it's going to be bad. The quality of the wood should be better, though. There was a lot of darkness on that wood where you saw in the whites. You can actually see it almost in that picture. If you blow up on that picture, you know, it is, you can see it up in the upper left-hand side. You see it. It looks like it's white and then off-white and then white and then off-white right next to each other. I wonder if he's not putting, like, a masking layer underneath. He should be, but he's not. You should do all white first and then print your color over it. I agree. Totally, yes. I totally agree with that. If he was printing the color on wood, it would make sense. That's what he's doing. But even the white's bleeding through. Yep, so he needs, well, if you had white on white, that would help, too. It would, too. I agree, totally. So, yeah, it's just hard. It's not an easy process, and he's doing a good step towards it, but I think he needs to be better with the digital printing. Print better. It's not easy. I'm the first one to say it. I wouldn't want to do this. You know, I used to work with the machines, and the artwork is the hardest part. Some people might argue it's good enough. True. If you have no play field or you have a crap play field, you know, I totally agree with you. If you're going to do a half-assed job, you should charge half-assed prices. Yeah, exactly. Not $1,000. That's the same, like, Shea is going from the best in the industry, soap-screened back glasses to just crap half-assed digital stuff, but they charge the same amount. Yeah. I told the guy, he's like, oh, you don't want it? And I'm like, well, if it was, like, $200 or, like, $150, I'd buy it. You know, like, it'd still be better, but, like, I'm not paying $300-plus for a clearly damaged back glass. I agree. okay well so that was my disappointment of the show okay okay okay oh i know we got to talk about also we forgot about one thing it's been over two hours scratch ass scratch my ass we talked about my ass big game prototype oh yeah big game prototype okay what about a big game prototype explain well somebody found on uh what was it facebook or it Facebook Marketplace. Marketplace. For $20. For $20. Literally a different artwork. Big game. Big game. With a meteor head. With a meteor head. And everyone's like, what the fuck? And so the guy bought it, and then he sold it to somebody else who's a friend of the show, who actually has their own podcast. Tommy from... This Flippin' Podcast. This Flippin' Podcast. Bought it. They brought it home, and the backlash didn't survive. But the game did, and it is a prototype play field. The artwork was completely different. Black Glass is not surviving. Sounds like a thing that happens a lot. Yeah, don't remind me, Steph. Sorry. Zach had a shattered back glass on the way home. I found the last of the silkscreened CPR Joker Poker back glasses that you can't get anymore because now they just digital print the shit. And then it shattered. Yeah. So he got this playfield home, and the playfield artwork is completely different. And it's awesome, and I'm glad he's going to have it and restore it and do it, but there's a lot more animals in Big Game on the playfield. Well, plus between the flippers, instead of the tiger, it's an elephant. It's an elephant, and it really was totally different. The theme is all there. It's still the same grid and everything like that. The bingo cards are the same. Exactly. All plays the same or anything, but it's all different artwork. Everyone's like, it's a fake, it's this, or it's a, you know, somebody redid it, or somebody did a play over, and no, it's definitely a prototype, which, congratulations, Tommy, that's fucking awesome. It's weird, like, remember when those pictures of Clone came out? Clone? Clone? Yeah, the second 3D Playfield Staron game after Orbiter 1. Oh, yeah, I remember that, yes, yes, after Orbiter 1. Yep. Yeah. Someone found a prototype of the next game they were making after Orbiter 1. Yep. Which actually looked pretty cool. It actually looked better than Orbiter 1. Totally. But, like, no one in any, like, previous talk with people who worked at Stern had ever mentioned Clone or ever mentioned this weird big game play field, you know, like, or even ever mentioned, like, the Laser Lord prototype that was found a while ago. And if you go to the actual YouTube and you type in prototype big game pinball machine, you'll see the play field. And it's totally different. The grid actually looks better because it's all white, so you don't have the rings around the grid. So if you had wear, it wouldn't be as noticeable. White all in front of the top two drop targets. Different lane plastics, waves going down the out lane drains. target in the middle for where it's the, you get the completed line. It's just totally different. And it's neat. And we never knew it existed. Never knew it existed, and it was $20. You would think that some people out there must remember something about this. Yeah, but I guess not. Well, Gary Stern won't come on, so we can't run out. Like, he must have known about these things. Yeah. Well, would he remember about this? No, he probably wouldn't remember. No. but it's a shame because you know we didn't know this was existing but it is which is great so maybe there's something else out there it seems like every two years we find a certain prototype so that's what I want to bring up that part I'll allow you to end the show thank you alright does anyone want to plug anything stomp seven more spots I'm on another podcast the silver ball chronicles which can be heard on the pinball network. We almost got him, Bruce. We almost got past that. No, I got it. My little note right here. Plugs. It's in his fucking contract this year. You know, he said goodbye to someone fast enough. We could have just skipped it. It's fucking hilarious. Thank you. But, yes, we are the Slam Tilt Podcast. You can email us and tell us how long this episode was at Slam Tilt Podcast. And enjoyed it and loved it and wish we had it more. Even longer, yeah. Yeah. And more. If you want to know what you can win at Stomp, look at the Slam Tilt Facebook page and look at the belt. The belt is up there. That's what you're going for. The winner will be wearing the belt, baby. Six pounds of goodness. And by the way, our email address, as I was saying before, you've just completely interrupted me, slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com, the slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com. Check out our website, slamtelpodcast.com. All our links are in the upper right-hand corner. Follow us. Like us. And anything else? Oh, hi, Steph. Steph's here. Hi, Zach. Hi. Fun with bonus, et cetera. Everyone in the cluster, Vuck? Yes. Does Steph have anything she wants to plug? Any upcoming tournaments? Any bells and chimes stuff? This is the time. This is the time for me to remember To do some bells and chimes stuff This is the time To remember Cause it will not last Forever These are the days To hold on to What album is that on? I don't know what the album is but it's on Grace Hits 3 It's probably on the bridge The 80s album The last album before he fired everyone And then did the I need new people or whatever for my new sound and whatever. Okay. Okay. So let's say hi to everyone. Hi, everyone on the Clusterbuck. Hello, Zach. Hello. A little phone bonus. I said all that. I'm saying it again. You're saying it again. Jeff Theolist. How you doing? Maybe you guys will fire me at this point. You're getting a new team. Ooh, what happened to you? We're putting a new team together. A new team together. Ron, you ain't in it. Hello, everybody. Someone please give me accountability and make me run a ballast tournament this summer. Thank you in advance. You're already doing one, aren't you? Like in three weeks? Another one that's not stomp related. We're telling you to do that, too. We've been telling you for a while. Get on my ass about it more. Oh, my. Yes. Okay. Oh, I'm sorry. All right. Do you have a name, Bruce? His name's Bruce. Yeah, I have a name. It's called Bruce. All right, thanks everybody. Until next time, say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Patrick Baldwin. We'll be right back. The Media! Level Zero! Clusterfuck! Shorty Guy! T-Ball! Blue Scissors! Tournament Talk! Car Holder! Cheetah! Senatue Cat Crab ELO Ball Bay What You Find Can You Love Can You Hate Turret Talk Rainbow Princess Oh my Oh my Oh my Oh my. _(Acquisition: groq_whisper, Enrichment: v3)_ --- *Exported from Journalist Tool on 2026-04-13 | Item ID: e1472908-ed8a-463a-972f-2d98872b2706*