# #119 Island Pinball - The Classic Pinball Podcast

**Source:** The Classic Pinball Podcast  
**Type:** podcast_episode  
**Published:** 2024-09-30  
**Duration:** 63m 35s  
**Beat:** Pinball

**URL:** https://podcasters.spotify.com/pod/show/george272/episodes/119-Island-Pinball---The-Classic-Pinball-Podcast-e2ourg4

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## Analysis

Dave recounts his extended trip to Martha's Vineyard where he serviced multiple pinball machines for collectors. He details work on a Godzilla Premium (with extensive mods including speaker upgrades and LED enhancements), a KISS home-use machine (ball stuck in unusual position), and numerous DMD classics (Twilight Zone, Theater of Magic, Attack from Mars, Indiana Jones, Riot Gun). The episode emphasizes Dave's repair philosophy of thorough restoration over quick fixes, and establishes him as a service technician building clientele among wealthy island residents.

### Key Claims

- [HIGH] Dave replaced black Stern rubber with clear silicone Pinball Life rubber on the Godzilla Premium — _Dave discusses the Godzilla work: 'the rubber was all black. It's cheap Stern rubber... So we Game of Thrones cleaned the playfield, rid of the crappy black rubber, new clear Pinball Life silicone stuff'_
- [HIGH] Dave installed Mezelmods noodle building kit, arc blades, shaker motor, and upgraded speakers (5.25-inch with dual cones) on Godzilla Premium — _Detailed list of mods: 'I put in a shaker motor. I put in arc blades... upgraded the four-inch crappy Chinese speakers... to some nice five-and-a-quarter-inch kicker speakers with dual cones'_
- [HIGH] A ball became wedged between glass, apron, and flipper switch on the KISS machine, which Dave resolved by lifting the playfield — _Dave describes the KISS issue: 'the ball Game of Thrones caught between the glass, the apron, and a flipper switch... I lift the playfield up. All of a sudden, the ball drops down in the cabinet.'_
- [HIGH] Someone incorrectly placed a sanded ball (from tilt roll cage) in the KISS game, thinking it was an extra ball — _Dave finds: 'another ball stuck behind one of the rubbers, upper left of the playfield near the left spinner. Except it's not a real ball. It's the ball, the sanded ball you put with sandpaper that you put in the ball tilt roll cage.'_
- [HIGH] The 12-machine collection owner had his games restored by someone connected to Disney World — _Dave states: 'he got all his games from a friend of his that works at Disney World... all these games, by the way, were restored or redone by somebody at Disney'_
- [HIGH] Indiana Jones had optical flipper assemblies installed with misaligned actuators causing sticky button operation — _Dave explains: 'these games have what's it called – optical optical flipper assembly so they don't use a physical switch... Someone put a special little bar on there... it was all off course. It wasn't right. It was sticky.'_
- [HIGH] Dave raised Indiana Jones cabinet incline to proper 6.5 degrees because it had been set level — _Dave notes: 'I had to raise the back because he had it on like dead level... I jacked it back up you know the proper six and a half percent so sorry six and a half degree grade'_
- [HIGH] Dave was unable to fully diagnose and repair a 1950s Chicago Coin Riot Gun shooting gallery game, considering shipping it to Stu for specialist work — _Dave states: 'this guy really needs Stu to come down and work on his game... I sent him pictures of schematics. He's trying to do a couple other things. No... I don't know what he needs'_

### Notable Quotes

> "They're basically putting the pieces in there to get maximum number of cars. I mean, it's Tetris."
> — **Dave**, ~3:30
> _Describes the car ferry loading process as resembling the video game Tetris; sets the casual, storytelling tone of the episode._

> "I cannot believe they're going to shut that door. The guy Game of Thrones came out the crowbar out and started jamming them in there."
> — **Dave**, ~3:45
> _Humorously describes the final stages of ferry loading; contains ASR error artifact._

> "I don't see how it can work. So then I'm looking at the playfield. I find the ball. I'm going to clean the playfield, give it a good once over."
> — **Dave**, ~17:00
> _Expresses surprise at unusual ball placement in KISS machine; illustrates his diagnostic approach._

> "I've seen this happen many times. They think it's a free extra ball. If you lose your ball, they provide you with a ball. Oh, they think it's like at the bowling alley, take the ball off the rack?"
> — **Dave and George**, ~18:30
> _Reveals common misconception among machine owners about extra/replacement balls; establishes Dave's service industry knowledge._

> "When for me, it's not good enough. It has to be all the way through."
> — **Dave**, ~28:00
> _Articulates Dave's repair philosophy: comprehensive restoration versus partial fixes; key to his professional identity._

> "There's so much protection going on that there was no fun being had."
> — **Dave**, ~31:15
> _Critiques over-protective mods on Attack from Mars; reflects player-experience-focused approach._

> "The physical button is getting stuck in, the flipper button is getting stuck in, that doesn't happen that often in these games."
> — **Dave**, ~37:45
> _Identifies unusual Indiana Jones flipper button failure requiring specialized diagnosis._

> "I said you always ship it to stupid it's like so i think when all of a sudden it sounds like a 900 pound anchor it is so i don't know what he needs"
> — **Dave**, ~42:00
> _References Stu (likely Stu McVicker) as specialist for complex electromechanical repairs; shows collaborative network._

> "He saw how diligently I was working, he saw we just like didn't stop and just kept going, this and and we're knocking off The Games like, boom, that's done, that's done, that's done, that he was like thoroughly impressed."
> — **Dave**, ~44:00
> _Describes impression made on island collector through visible work quality and efficiency; demonstrates business development approach._

> "Please remember, when you want to come back on the island again, I want you to do some more work for me. I want to do a Larry Day sparring each one of my 11 The Games."
> — **Island collector (paraphrased)**, ~45:00
> _Shows Dave's service reputation generating repeat business; establishes recurring island clientele._

### Entities

| Name | Type | Context |
|------|------|---------|
| Dave | person | Co-host of Classic Pinball Podcast; pinball machine repair technician and specialist performing extensive restorations on Martha's Vineyard |
| George | person | Co-host of Classic Pinball Podcast; interviewer asking questions about Dave's service work |
| Tacoma | person | Martha's Vineyard resident with Godzilla Premium pinball; has seven-year-old son; left island to visit family in Boston during Dave's service work |
| Gary Stern | person | Martha's Vineyard resident (described as 'number one land developer on the island'); owner of KISS home-use only pinball machine; not related to Stern Pinball company |
| Stu McVicker | person | Pinball repair specialist referenced for complex electromechanical work; does not travel for service calls; consulted via phone for Riot Gun diagnosis |
| Keith | person | Designer credited with custom magnet mechanism on Godzilla Premium playfield |
| Chris Hibbler | person | Board designer/technician who redid boards for the 12-game collector's Twilight Zone machine |
| Maureen | person | Dave's wife; accompanied him on Martha's Vineyard trip; assisted with machine service work |
| John | person | Recipient of photo showing sanded ball in KISS game; presumably knowledgeable about pinball preservation concerns |
| Godzilla Premium | game | Stern pinball machine owned by Tacoma; extensively modified by Dave including speaker upgrades, LED enhancements, and aesthetic mods |
| KISS | game | Home-use-only pinball machine (with clear coat playfield) owned by Gary Stern; serviced by Dave to resolve ball-trapping issue |
| Twilight Zone | game | Classic DMD in 12-game collection; had custom board work by Chris Hibbler; serviced for rubber replacement |
| Theater of Magic | game | Classic DMD (Williams 1995) in 12-game collection; had spinning trunk mechanism that required alignment and tightening work |
| Attack from Mars | game | Classic DMD in 12-game collection; had excessive protective mods (cliffy protectors, mantis protector, LED upgrades) that Dave partially removed to restore playability |
| Indiana Jones | game | Classic DMD in 12-game collection; had optical flipper assemblies with misaligned actuators; required flipper rebuild, switch repair, cabinet angle adjustment |
| Riot Gun | game | 1950s Chicago Coin shooting gallery game owned by 12-game collector; mechanical issue with running men targets and scoring could not be fully diagnosed by Dave; candidate for Stu specialist service |
| Pinball Life | company | Supplier of clear silicone rubber kit used by Dave in Godzilla and other restoration work |
| Mezelmods | person | Custom parts manufacturer; Dave used their noodle building kit on Godzilla Premium |
| Disney World | organization | Employer of 12-game collector's friend who sourced and initially restored multiple classic pinball machines |
| Martha's Vineyard | event | Location of Dave's extended service trip; island off Massachusetts coast where he performed work on multiple collector machines |
| The Classic Pinball Podcast | organization | Podcast hosted by George and Dave discussing pinball machines, repairs, and industry stories |

### Topics

- **Primary:** Pinball machine restoration and service work, Speaker and audio system upgrades, Flipper mechanics and optical switch assembly issues, Classic DMD game maintenance, Protective mods and playability balance
- **Secondary:** Ball trapping and mechanical anomalies, Pinball service industry practices and clientele development, Electromechanical shooting gallery game repair

### Sentiment

**Positive** (0.82) — Dave expresses satisfaction with successful repairs and client relationships. Frustration noted with incomplete previous restoration work and certain design choices (over-protective mods, poor audio equipment). Overall tone is upbeat and accomplishment-focused, with humorous storytelling about ferry experience and colorful island characters.

### Signals

- **[community_signal]** Specialist repair technicians (Stu McVicker) serve regional hub functions for complex electromechanical work (confidence: medium) — Dave consulting Stu via phone for Riot Gun diagnosis, suggesting Stu as necessary specialist: 'I called Stu. So I had Stu live on the horn with me trying to figure it out... this guy really needs Stu to come down and work on his game'
- **[design_philosophy]** Over-protective mod strategies can degrade playability and fun factor, requiring selective removal during restoration (confidence: high) — Attack from Mars: 'There's so much protection going on that there was no fun being had. So, little thing there, George. So, basically, I had to take out the top cliffy because the ball would not roll over it'
- **[market_signal]** Godzilla Premium machines generating significant play volume in collector homes (5,000+ plays reported) (confidence: medium) — Tacoma's seven-year-old son: 'his seven-year-old son was loving this game, playing the crap out of it. I think he has like 5,000 plays on it already'
- **[market_signal]** High-end collector market on Martha's Vineyard showing demand for specialized pinball restoration services (confidence: high) — Multiple wealthy island residents owning significant collections (Gary Stern as 'number one land developer,' Tacoma purchasing Premium tier games, 12-game DMD collector with Disney-sourced machines)
- **[community_signal]** Dave establishing service clientele on Martha's Vineyard island, with repeat business requests from wealthy collectors (confidence: high) — Collector requesting Dave return semi-annually to service all 11 machines: 'when you want to come back on the island again, I want you to do some more work for me... I want to do a Larry Day sparring each one of my 11 The Games'
- **[product_strategy]** Aftermarket mods for Godzilla Premium including speaker lighting kits and aesthetic upgrades creating enhanced sensory experience (confidence: high) — Dave's mods: 'upgraded it with a speaker lighting kit, the flaming speaker lighting kit, and some five-inch new speaker plates... the speakers are on fire, just like when Godzilla would breathe his fire on them'
- **[product_concern]** Stern's standard black rubber and cheap Chinese speakers on new machines requiring immediate replacement by conscientious owners (confidence: high) — Godzilla Premium: 'the rubber was all black. It's cheap Stern rubber, cheap Stern balls, as always in these games... upgraded the four-inch crappy Chinese speakers'
- **[technology_signal]** Adoption of optical flipper assemblies in classic DMD games requires specialized knowledge for troubleshooting and repair (confidence: high) — Indiana Jones mechanical issue: 'these games have what's it called – optical optical flipper assembly so they don't use a physical switch... Someone put a special little bar on there... it was all off course'

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## Transcript

 Thank you very much. Everybody listen to me And return me my ship I'm your captain, I'm your captain I know I'm feeling mighty sick Hello, welcome to another episode of the Classic Pinball Podcast. My name is George. His name is Dave. Hello, Dave. Hello, George. Winding down here at the end of September, if you remember our last show, Dave was going to go to Martha's Vineyard. Guess where he is? Nantucket No No, I'm not Nantucket Try again He's in Martha's Vineyard Anyway I have a handful of things, but I have one right off the top, and I think it concerns you, and if it doesn't, then I don't know where I found this Okay Did you not tell me you were repairing a game called Supernova yeah that's coming up okay not here okay well let's just we'll do a tease I had no idea about this company so I did a little homework the first thing is tease everybody knows this company not by that game but by sharpshooter game plan yes nod your head Yes, game plan. Okay. What's the deal with this company making cocktail table games? A long time ago. Yeah, they did. You're familiar with it? Yeah. Okay, we're going to have a quiz next time. All right. I got a good one. I got a good one. Not the best quality, but, you know. Okay. Okay. sharpen up your cocktail table skills okay I said you're down in Martha's Vineyard if you listened to our last episode you know why he's there but he's going to tell you again why he's there what he's done who he's seen hobnob with any of the rich and famous so it's after Labor Day so they probably all went back to New York and Washington and Hollywood parts unknown yeah that place too Nashville no they're all moving to Nashville so tell us about your adventures well it was very interesting the first time getting on a car ferry so we had to get up early on Saturday morning and give your ticket to the person there okay go in lane 7 and I see the ferries there and then we're all waiting to go on with the cars. Then I see this big 18-wheeler and a big bus, and they're waving them on. So I see an 18-wheeler get on this thing. You never did this before? No. I can't believe it. I've done it several times. It is very strange. It's strange. I cannot believe it. It's like, they're fitting that on this thing? Well, you went on the freight ship. I guess so. No, no, there's no guessing. You went on the freight ship because there are ferries that just take cars. Oh, okay. So you went on the big boy. I was big boy. There was several tractor trailers. There was a couple buses. I go, where's the room for us? How is this going to work? And then I'm thinking, you're allowed to stay in your car, but if I stay in my car, they're running their freaking engines and stuff. I'm going to get asphyxiated down there. How does that work? What if someone has like a refrigerator car? You get out of your car, you're locked up, and you go upstairs and have something to drink. Not necessarily. People stay in their cars, too, you know. You can. And they also start turning colors that they probably shouldn't because they're going to get asphyxiated. You've got to figure, if there's a bus in there, well, people are going to stay in the bus with the AC on, or they're going to go upstairs. It's just weird. I don't know how it all works. Then trying to flag us in, okay, you're going to go over here. It's like, I'm going to fit over there. Yeah, yeah, just go over here. and you're trying to sneak in a little corner on the bottom of the – Oh, yeah, it's Tetris. I mean, they're basically putting the pieces in to get maximum number of cars. I saw the last car come in. It's like, I don't believe they're going to shut that door. The guy got the crowbar out and started jamming them in. Yeah. Yeah. It was quite a trip with that. And so then we got out of the car, went up there and checked the thing out, and it was only like a half hour, 40-minute ride, But that ride flew by because what we were doing on the ride while we had some free time, I was trying to write an offer letter for a home we were thinking of buying. So I was writing up an offer letter, doing some brainstorming, and then the time just flew by. Okay, folks, get back to your cars. Okay, closing that up, went in the cars. And this, we saw the things open up, the whole ship spinning around, and boom, you got out of there. Then I'm thinking all kinds of things. I'm thinking, well, what if you can't, what if this car can't start? What do they do with that? Everybody's all backed up behind you. Your car won't go. Do they push you? Do they tow you? How does that work? I can't find my keys. My wife was pissed at me. She threw them over the side, Captain. Now what do we do? Good question, and I have somebody I can ask. Really? Yes. Okay, good. So for next time, that'd be good. I've got to write two next times. Okay. Yep. Okay. Okay. Okay, so then – Go ahead. I can walk you forward more. So we get off the ship, and then we go – oh, check-in time. We stayed at a beautiful VRBO place called the Lemonade Stand. And it was in the middle of the woods all by itself. So you go for, I don't know, a couple miles in the woods in Tisbury, and, you know, nice places back here. Very quiet. just birds chirping, no bugs, just really nice, quiet. And I need the peace and quiet, believe me. And this is great for that. Well, don't the locals hold a party the day after Labor Day saying, see you later, alligator, get the hell off our island. We made all our money. Probably the problem is that it's true, but now all the really high-end chefs, they go home too. Now they have the busboy and the freaking bartender making your food in the back room. Hopefully they learned something from the chefs from Hollywood and wherever else they came from. But they all went back to Europe. They have high-end chefs here with high-end making $300 dinners for people with, you know, dripping with dough. And during the summer months here, after Labor Day, they all go back home. And now some restaurants closed down for the season. Other ones, again, have the dishwasher and the busboy making your meal. You know? Okay, so we don't lose more of our listeners. This is the travel and leisure section of our show, George. Well, I think you better get to the pinball section before you lose everybody. I'm getting there. Okay, okay. The excitement's coming in. It's building. So it's 4 o'clock check-in. So we have time to work on game number one, which is a Godzilla premium. by this lovely guy named Tacoma, you know, a cool guy. Like Washington. Yeah, well, he said he had hippie parents, and they named him that because it's kind of a hippie kind of Indian name. It's like, oh, that's cool. He's a cool laid-back guy, so it goes well with his name. So we got to his place, you know, around 10.30 in the morning, and he basically was, his seven-year-old son was loving this game, playing the crap out of it. I think he has like 5,000 plays on it already. And the rubber was all black. It's cheap stern rubber, cheap stern balls, as always in these games. Okay, get it all over with. There you go. Get it all out. And so, you know, it was black marks everywhere. So he wanted me to basically just, you know, give the game a good going through and then do any mods I wanted to do. So wait, so wait, so wait. Yeah. did they ever take the glass off and do anything underneath it since they've only yes they did something dumb yes they did i meant more like cleaning or putting a new rubber on or changing a light bulb no no no light bulbs are changing these are all leds nothing to change they all They're all good. Okay. Sorry. Sorry, old school. Yep. No worries. So he did do something ill-advised. His son said, oh, dad, there's a ball stuck in the upper part of the play field near where the magnet is. And then he said, yeah, there was a ball in there. I don't know how the heck it got in there. It was a really weird bounce or something. So I went in there, and I had to take the magnet, the special magnet that Keith that one put in there, that little, that holds the ball up there. It suspends the ball, the top left play field. Everybody will know what I'm talking about. It's a famous thing. And he took that out, and then he took the ball out. He kind of broke a plastic by doing it, but it still, you know, he fractured the plastic. And I'm looking, it's like, how did that ball get in there? Then I'm looking, it's like, wait a second. There's a stand-up target behind that ball. So he's supposed to hit the magnet thing and it acts as a Newton ball. So it's part Newton ball and it makes the ball behind it go and hit a target. So that's how you can tell when you hit, when you got a shot on that magnet, when you hit it, it knows that you hit it. Versus other people would use like a magnetic read switch. But Stern didn't want to do that. It's like we can get it done cheaper by putting a stand up target there. So they did. So anyway, the ball is missing. It's like, well, now it's like, well, how am I going to get in there? And I said, that ball belongs in there. So I had to go get an Allen wrench. I did not have the size on me. So luckily he had some tools. And I got it all apart, put the ball back in there. It was great. So it was that part done. Then we wound up cleaning the play field, got rid of the crappy black rubber, new clear pinball life silicone stuff, rebuilt the flippers on it. What else did we do? Oh, and then I started with Moda Palooza. So, modapalooza in this game. I put in a shaker motor. I put in arc blades. I upgraded the four-inch crappy Chinese speakers that sound like hell to some nice five- and a quarter-inch kicker speakers with dual cones in them. And then further upgrading it with a speaker lighting kit, the flaming speaker lighting kit, and some five-inch new speaker plates for it that I needed. Put all that in there. And now when you look at the game, the speakers are on fire, just like when Godzilla would breathe his fire on them. So they're always flaming. They're always, like, you know, going crazy. And the game sounds way better with these speakers too. And then I did the, oh, who are they called? People will know. The noodle building fix. I put a brand name, oh, by some guy that makes them. Mezelmods. Yeah, Mezelmods. Yeah. I got his noodle building kit, put that in the top there, so upgraded that. What else did I upgrade? I upgraded the – was that all I did? No, I did more than that. I need to get my secretary an issue. You can tell me more. Anyway, you outlined all this in the last show. I did. Any issues with the game, or did that go fairly smooth? that went fairly smooth until for some reason i decided to pull the play field out a little bit and then i said i'll pull it for a little more and all of a sudden it dropped down the cabinet say oh that's not good but it didn't hurt anything it was all it was all good um that was that was all fine didn't hurt a damn thing so that was all good um so oh we also did the kaiju scoop sign upgrade uh we did see back oh the uh ramp lane stickers so this game has um has uh you know metal clear ramps right so you put stickers on the ramp yeah i put like these uh like roadway stickers looks like a roadway really with a single dotted line on it right cool and they're all in perspective too just like the ramp is you know i put those in there i put in um uh flipper toppers You know, sticker flipper toppers that have, like, Godzilla scales on them. Look at me, George. Look at me ramp away. This is a classic. So all said and done, the kid enjoyed what you did? No, not yet. Not yet. Not yet. Okay. Oh, I also put in some fire LEDs in the kickers to make them on fire versus just red and white. Put in six new balls, a shooter spring, blah, blah, blah. So here's the deal. So Tacoma had to go leave the island and leave us there for a day and a half doing our thing to see his family in Boston. And then he's going to come back and see me again and settle up and so forth. I also want to give him a tour of what we did to the game. And so now he's going to come back tomorrow morning because we're going to leave tomorrow morning sometime. But he's not going to be back until tomorrow night, so I'm not going to be able to show him. Because his son hasn't seen it and he hasn't seen it. So it's unfortunate. I wanted to see him in person react to what I did in the game, especially his son, but that's not going to happen. So anyway, I'm going to Zoom call with him just like we're doing here. I'm going to go back to his house and Zoom call and show him what I did and then say, okay, here's what you owe, you know, after all is said and done. And there you go. So that's, that was day 1.5. That was Saturday and Sunday. And then while I was there Saturday, before he left to go to Boston, and I was halfway, Maury and I were halfway through doing the game, he said oh my friend my friend Gary you sold him your KISS home use only pinball machine you had with a clear coat of play field You know and I said oh yeah So it was about four years ago He lost a ball The ball is stuck. The ball won't serve or the ball is missing or something like that. I said, okay. I said, well, I wasn't really planning on going. I don't have any ballet stuff on me. I was just going to do some DMV ramp games in your stern game. I don't have any classic stuff, but I'll see what I can do. So I basically went to him Sunday morning and found his game had – he turned the game on. All of a sudden, the left flipper would just twitch, and then no ball served. You go, okay, that's weird. Why is the left flipper twitching? They said, okay, let me see where the ball is. So I lift the play field up. All of a sudden, the ball drops down in the cabinet. The flipper isn't screwed up anymore. So somehow this ball got caught between the glass, the apron, and a flipper switch. It's a first time. It's a miracle. I don't see how it can work. So then I'm looking at the play field. I find the ball. I'm going to clean the play field, give it a good once over. And then I see, oh, I see another ball stuck behind one of the rubbers upper left of the play field near the left spinner. except it's not a real ball. It's the ball, the sandy ball you put with sandpaper that you put in the ball tilt roll cage. Oh, the tilt pop for the film? Yeah, it's terrible. That thing will tear up a game and play field in no time. Why was that doing in the game? Because he lost the ball and someone said, Oh, no. Oh, you wouldn't believe how many times this happens, George. I've seen this happen many times. No way. Yeah. No, they think it's a free extra ball. if you lose your ball, they provide you with a ball. Oh, they think it's like at the bowling alley, take the ball off the rack? Yeah. I've never heard of that before. No, they think it's like an extra key. You know, you get two keys for your lock, you get two balls for your game, you should lose one. So they lost one. There's a ball somewhere there. I'll use that. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Yeah. When you go to people's houses, Sure. do they ever have extra balls like you know or a tube of them no no no no no especially this guy gary he's he moving forward dave you should build it into your your bill actually it would be really cool if you had like two balls and like a little box with your name and your telephone number on it so they could just put it inside the coin door and leave it in there so if they lose a ball or they want new balls they got two there and they got your card and everybody's happy yeah it's not a bad idea not a bad idea okay not bad i even i sent a picture of that that ball behind the plastic i sent to john day because i know he'd react in horror and he did that's like a horror film because he's thinking of that sandpapery ball going to be played in the playfield i'm just thinking of somebody taking a belt sander to their game and especially kiss because it's got all those inserts in the middle of the game oh that game's notorious for getting burned out exactly give my my um phone maureen no okay okay so so are you well let's see what this one so this this guy i come to find out oh you look like you're frozen you still going i don't hear george okay your video froze but that's okay you're still there okay and i didn't hear you anymore either so okay so that's okay so i found out so this guy he is actually like the number one um land developer on the island so did you tell him another game no he is he's got a He's got a car inside the basement with an elevator, his old-time car. He's got all kinds of toys. He even has a Trump mannequin with a Trump Make America Great red hat on in the living room with an ear bandage on his ear. And I thought – I was ringing the doorbell, knocking the door. No one would answer the door. I went around the side, and I see this guy in a chair. I'm knocking, sir, sir, I need to come in and work on your game. I realized, oh, wait, that's Trump with a sanitary David Hankin on his ear and a hat, you know, and a makeup. So I found out, I asked the owner after I was all done, I asked his wife, I said, yeah, what's with the, what's with the man? Wait, wait, you passed up the line. Okay, what's with the dummy? Where's the bell? Where's my bell? Sorry. not to be political but that was that was like just serve up the big meatball and hit it out of the park thank you so then she said oh yeah it's been great fun having that mannequin here we had our big party recently we had him on the toilet the Trump mannequin on the toilet some people open up to go to the bathroom and he's sitting there yeah I'll send them pictures I'll send you pictures George oh oh I didn't think I didn't think this show was going to be that good we've got some more good stories this is getting better oh yeah I've got some more oh boy and this guy does stripper pole in the basement too the leopard lounge leopard lounge picture of John But not John. Not John Connor. Sean Connery, right? Yeah, Sean Connery. Yeah. Okay. Okay, we got to bring this back. At least you brought it back to classic pinball. You were saying another game, a DMD game you repaired? Yeah, okay. So after – I'll give you the chronological thing. Okay. After Kiss, then we went back to Tacoma's, finished him up, and got it done for the night, and then we were done. Now, then you go to the next day. Now we're on the guy that has, I think, 12 DMDs that the who's who of DMDs, Twilight Zone, Adam's Family, Monster Bash, Medieval Madness, Arabian Nights. Really? Bullwinkle, Cactus Canyon, Theater of Magic. Wow. Like the who's who. And he got all his games from a friend of his that works at Disney World. so that oh i remember you told you told us this story no no i didn't i didn't know this is all new to me uh-huh nope that's that's a different you know you're thinking the other guy no he's a guy in northern california that has every room is a dedicated room he worked for disney for the video department oh okay okay i knew there was a disney story somewhere and one of our i i need to I need to write a book, a memoir or something. I have so many stories I could put out there. Well, you kind of have a podcast, but anyway. I do. I do like a long book. It's kind of the modern version. It might not be as slick and edited, but it gets the point across. There you go. So I went to this guy's house, and I guess he has Chris Hibbler work on his boards for Twilight Zone. He got them redone. he knew how to put him in. He tried putting him in, but it was all like, I said, I tried, but I was afraid to go further. I looked at it, it was all like crooked. It wasn't even lined up right. I said, good, I'm glad you stopped. Put the boards in there. That's why it's on running. He decided to put some nice clear rubber on there too and get rid of that black rubber. I can't stand black rubber in a game. That's got to go. First thing, it's got to go. So then he said, okay, I got a problem with theater magic. Theater magic was the spinning trunk where the ball would get caught once in a while. Every ten games, it would be caught back there, and it would get stuck in the trunk, and the trunk wouldn't want to move and all this stuff. Come to find out whoever – all these games, by the way, were restored or redone by somebody at Disney or somebody that works for Disney or gets funneled Disney games. I don't know. But you said you've been there once before, no? No, not this place, uh-uh. Oh, not there. These are all – Mouth is Vengeance is first time for me. And now... Well, what about the kiss game that you sold the guy? I did sell the guy, but he sent his guys to get it from my place and bring it back. Oh, oh, oh, oh, okay, okay. Then I got a guy in Nantucket that I sold. I worked on the Captain Fantastic, and I sold him a Rolling Stones game. You know there's a limerick, right? There once was a man from Nantucket. Yeah, you can't say anymore. I can't say anymore, otherwise I'd... Something. Okay. So, the trunk thing was someone who worked... All these games have been, again, well done, worked on to a point. They kind of stop at one point. They say, okay, good enough. When for me, it's not good enough. It has to be all the way through. So, the trunk was loose. I had to, like, align it, tighten it back up, and put it in its right spot. Right, but you did this game once before, and we did a podcast on it. Didn't we? No. Oh, no, no. You're thinking of the other game. You're thinking of the – Oh, Circus Voltaire. Do you have one of those? I don't think – no, no Circus Voltaire. Nope. Attack from Mars. I like that one. I don't. You hit the saucer all day. Who cares? I like that. Hit the saucer. I like that. Well, obviously, you and everybody else does too, George. I've had one. This one had, I don't know, an upgraded, the attack from Mars, an upgraded lighting system for the saucers. But they're all like rainbow colored LEDs coming out of it. And I don't know, they were kind of silver. It wasn't my thing, but, you know, it was different. But to run all that crap, there was so much crap on the playfield, someone installed all kinds of like new wiring and new stuff going on. so it was really so that was really wild game work that one there someone put in a double cliffy protector for the upper right saucer VUK whatever it is whole and a mantis protector there's so much protection going on that there was no fun being had so little thing there George so So, basically, I had to take out the top cliffy because the ball would not roll over it. It was all stuck up and bent and crap. So I took all that out of there, fixed him, put that back. He was happy. And then, what was the other one? Twilight Zone. You didn't say what you did with the theater magic box. Yeah, I did. I loosened it up and tightened it. I aligned it. There was a screw in there. All right. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, I did that. What else did we do? One more game. What was the last game? Twilight Zone. Did that. Twilight Zone, Theater of Magic, Attack from Mars. Wasn't there one more we worked on? Was it Attack of the Sun? No. Boy, it was just yesterday. I mean, come on. How hard can this be? We had 11. Hold on. We did. Indiana Jones. There, I got it. Indiana Jones. There. Yeah, that one there. Oh, boy. Yeah, oh, boy. Exactly. Oh, boy. Talk about the game that just doesn't want to, I don't know, it doesn't play well with others. Right flipper getting stuck in that position. Sometimes. What are you eating? What are you eating? Me, nothing. Oh, right here? Oh, this thing? No, the thing in your hand. Yes. That is an apple with some smoked chili cheddar cheese. Okay. Okay. That is. Indiana Jones yes, flipper being stuck so I said, okay, yeah, typical, the flippers aren't rebuilt they're sticky, I get it, flipper rebuild all good, no, not so fast not so fast he said yeah, when I hit the flipper here, so I'm hitting it it's like, oh, the physical button is getting stuck in, the flipper button is getting stuck in, that doesn't happen that often in these games, it's like, okay well, I get extra buttons in me just in case I put lubrication on there, it's still it's like, okay so I looked at that someone added some that these games are what's it called optical optical flipper assembly so they don't use a physical switch an optical switch so someone put a special little bar on there a little little bar on there to kind of support this little plastic and it goes back and forth for the opto interrupter. It was all off course. It wasn't right. It was sticky. It was in the wrong position. So I said, okay, get rid of that. Melted the left and right plastic actuators so they'd bend in nice and tight like they're supposed to. And then I'm thinking, someone put a stupid screw on the end of these flipper buttons. So I took those screws out. Those are messing things up. And after all that, that power is done. But then I looked at the flipper itself, and so physically, it was messed up too so it was both electrically physically there was also an end of stroke switch where the wire was off so okay so the right flipper cabinet switch is done and i rebuilt the flippers and repaired put a new switch in for end of stroke and then she was happy that was working well except i had to raise the back because he had it on like dead low it was just wandering around uh the play field the ball was just like slowly going i said this thing's need more speed so i i jacked it back up by you know the proper six and a half percent so sorry six and a half degree grade yeah um i think was that is i think the last thing we gotta do what oh the riot oh yeah can you look at my 1950 something chicago corn corn coin Chicago coin beer is tasting good George riot gun so it's one of these gun games you know and shoot a little shooting gallery back there you mean from like the early late 60s early 70s the 50s yeah oh wow okay it was big so I said well I'll give it a call I'll try not really my thing but okay so I look back there and trying to work on it. I'm thinking it's like, you know, it's a minor problem. There's little running men in the back. They kind of lay light around, like boom, boom, boom, like almost like you're playing that game where you hit the, what's it called? Bear? No. The horseshoe game we saw at Allentown, whatever that's called. Oh, right, right. You spin the wheel. It's like that. That kind of stuff in the back was like flashing around, and you've got to shoot those things. If you shoot three of those guys that are running in the background, and it really tough to get them too you get like 20 points apiece and 300 bucks for getting three of them or 300 points And he was never getting the 300 points It like okay I see what I can do I went back there I looked for different things And I looked at the schematic. And it's like, okay, I tried cleaning some stuff. And it's like, try it now. No. Then I called Stu. So I had Stu live on the horn with me trying to figure it out. I sent him pictures of schematics. He's trying to do a couple other things. No. So this guy really needs Stu to come down and work on his game. but uh i said you always ship it to stupid it's like so i think when all of a sudden it sounds like a 900 pound anchor it is so i don't know what he needs i don't know either that or stew has to show me a couple things did we talk about stew not going anywhere yeah exactly yeah he doesn't want to travel anywhere it's like i'm i'm the guy that will go and take your suitcase and go stew doesn't really want to do that um so but basically after all it's said and done he wasn't really sure when I was talking to first about him what it's going to cost us and then it's like well I don't know if I need that much work and I don't know if I can justify the cost and so forth it's like okay well can you keep me informed as we go along you know what it's going to cost I just know if I can budget it's like all right you know so as I'm going through he kept you know offering me food and water and Maureen too and it's really nice nice couple and after a while he lost he just saw how diligently working he saw we just like didn't stop and just kept going this and and we're knocking off games like, boom, that's done, that's done, that's done, that he was like thoroughly impressed. And he, you know, I gave him the bill at the end, and it was totally cool. And he said, oh, please remember, when you want to come back on the island again, I want you to do some more work for me. I want to do a day sparring each one of my 11 games. So good. You're going to start getting a little clientele out there. Yeah, a little clientele on the island. So I could do a yearly or semi-annually retreat here and hang out for a week and work on people's games, and everybody's happy. Now here's something we hope you'll really like. I've got a couple of items that I'd like to talk to you about. All right. A couple of shows first. One that took place earlier this month in Cleveland. And the reason I wanted to talk about it is I think I had mentioned to you the Bally conversion kits that were made by a German company. Geiger. Geiger. Yes. So someone was bringing another game. Now, we did an interview with Tommy Skinner. You're not going to believe this. It was episode number 24, like four years ago, on Lady Death, which was also a Geiger conversion kit. The one that he was bringing to the show, I saw it out on Pinside, this person was bringing this Geiger game called Dark Rider. And some people might be familiar with the artist from this game. His name is Frank Franzetta. And if you recall, well, first of all, happy birthday today. You might even remember this album and band. Remember the band Molly Hatchett? Molly Hatchett. Yeah. Flirting with the Zanta. Well, that's exactly that album. If you remember that picture of, he looked like a medieval suited armor on a horse. Viking guy. Kind of like a Viking guy, yeah. So, that's what that game is done as. That character, Dark Rider. I've seen this picture of this game. What's it called again? Dark Rider. Yeah, I think I've seen that. It's a Star Trek conversion game for a Bally SS game. So, pretty cool. Now, I talked to you about a show and I think we should do some homework on this particular company and talk about all the different games, because there's quite a few. and I've never seen one up close so maybe we'll talk about that in a future show we got a couple new games released first of all wait should I hold on should I get my no-dos no actually yes and no so what did you think of CERN's new game Uncanny X-Men I think I saw a trailer for it What's his name? Woman of the Future guy That plays Woman of the Future guy Oh, Danger That guy I think I saw him playing it But I wasn't really impressed Okay I figured that would be your response Now, there's another game That's just been released by Jersey Jack. Oh, boy. Wait a second. Oh, wait, I know. It's Strawberry Shortcake. How about Avatar? Avatar. I did that game. Well, Stern did that game. Well, Jersey Jack has now done the game. And guess who the designer is? somebody that you and I both know and somebody you and I both interviewed uh Elwyn no Jersey Jack he works for Stern wow you've really been enjoying the birthday I know I know Elwyn works for Stern but I know we interviewed Elwyn how about we're going to go to episode 2 Mark yes Mark Seiden episode 2 that long ago wow well that's when you and I interviewed all the winners of best in play for 2019 that was our second episode wow how far he's come huh that's not why I'm bringing it to your attention because I know you could care less about the game. I'd play it. Jersey Jack. What's that? Go ahead. I'd try that game. I'd play it. You don't know anything about it, do you? I don't. I know the movie. Okay. Okay. Anyway, it's got eight flippers. It's got three playfields. It's got two buried playfields. It's got a lot of things. Supposedly, this game's really decked out, but that's not why I wanted to talk about the game. All right. I listened to a whole episode. I was ready to buy one after the end of the episode because they were selling it so well. And the reason they were selling it so well is Jersey Jack had a media junket. And they invited several podcasters to go to Chicago, all expenses paid, to play the new Avatar. And what about us, George? Well, now you're going to get me going. George, don't say this, George. So, well, no, I think I have a very good argument as to why you and I should have been invited. You can't always invite just the hucksters, the people who are going to just, you know, drool over the game and give it fives or tens or, you know, five stars, ten review, whatever. You'll have some people that are somewhat objective and maybe somewhat skeptical. So if you can win those types of people over, wouldn't it make sense to invite them and show them the red carpet and give them the high-end treatment that Jersey Jack and Jack Guarnieri would probably bestow on people like you and I. I would think so, yeah. Okay, so where the hell was our invitation? Who got the invite? Put it that way. So I listened to the Loser Kid podcast. but I also understand that Mr. Hallett and I don't know if Bruce went I think Bruce was going to a concert so I think Ron Hallett might have gone from that podcast so, right anyway, you and I were not invited I felt slighted only because they said my good argument would be, hey, I'm receptive but I'm not somebody who collects modern games. And if you could convince me, I think it would translate very well to your customer base. Yeah. If you can win over a classic pinball guy, I think you do pretty well. Makes sense to me. Yep. I would think so. You know, old guy can relate to all the other old guys. No, you're now an old guy. Now you're an old guy. Oh, I'm not a really old guy, but you're getting there. Again, I'm in the old guy category. Yeah, you bridged into the old guy category. Before you could have gotten away with it, but now you kind of – That's right. You've crossed the Rubicon. With age comes experience. There you go. So there's that. Oh, I was up in your neighborhood, but you weren't in your neighborhood. Rooster. Rooster. no I was actually in New Hampshire briefly oh wow and somebody actually I think listened to me okay amazing right yeah how'd that happen you don't even listen to me I went to Spyglass Brewery in Nashua and before I moved I go there quite often especially with the new place they had built. And every time I went, I would ask the bartender, why don't you have pinball machines? Why don't you have pinball machines? Well, lo and behold, guess what they had? Pinball machines. No, puck bowler. No, they had pinball machines. Two, Foo Fighters and Stranger Things. And the person I understand that is routing them there, you might be familiar with this place in Kingsborough. have you ever been to Maximilians in Kingsborough uh was it a naughty boy nightclub for a while no no it's no it's in a different mall no no no it wasn't the strip joint no and if you happen to go there a great IPA alternate universe it kind of fits with the theme of the two pinball games okay I will tell you, speaking of Foo Fighters, there's really huge, you know, carpenters over here, different people over here that have specialties in the island. One does Title V inspections, and they do, you know, sewer stuff. You know, they kind of pump out your septic, and they want a special game done for them for their company to put in their break room. And so I did it. No, no, no. No. No? You sure? Pooh Fighters. Yeah, Pooh Fighters. Poop Fighters. Poop Fighters, yeah, Poop Fighters. What, are you going after the plumbers and the steamfitters of the world? Although they had to... That would actually be a pretty funny parody. And it's kind of scraping it brown. No, you just have that icon, that Poop icon on the sides. Yes. Yeah, that one. That would work, George. You know what? I should make that game. That game would sell. Poop Fighters. Okay. Wow. You're really having a happy birthday, aren't you? I am, George. I can see that. Let's see. I have one last thing nobody wants to hear, but I'll give the plug anyway. And I think your buddy Dave Marston is somehow involved. Tycoon Arcade was not open I would have went when I was up there but they were closed up in Manchester New Hampshire because they've changed their format no longer will they be a coin drop arcade they are now a pay one price arcade good idea with all their nice games I was kind of bummed out I was kind of hoping they'd be open so anyway what's the difference between You pay one price and pay with a, I mean, you're just saying they weren't open that day. I think the least expensive game you could play in the arcade pinball-wise is a buck and a half a game. Well, now what's the pay one price thing, 20 bucks? 20 bucks. That's not bad. No, no. I mean, and the joy factor goes up because if you get hosed on the game for a buck and a half, you're probably reluctant to put another buck and a half in. Right. When you're not paying, you keep playing. going right right so anyway shout out to them the other game the other show that I wanted to talk about real briefly I'm not sure kind of on the fence still whether I'm going to go or not depends on the Carl Weathers the York show York Pennsylvania White Rose yes I've been following the thread on Pinside we'll see depends what they have you're only three hours right Yeah, two and a half, three hours. That's awesome. So, yeah, that might be a maybe. I got a Jones to go to a show. It's been a while. You're going to see all the cool kid EM guys there. You're going to see all the cool – Well, I like playing those too, so I don't – you know, something different. So I'm thinking of that. You'll see Mr. Matrando will be there. Mr. Matrando, he's going to be there. Right. No, I'm sure none of your other Pennsylvania buddies go to that show. um i don't think they do i don't know i think they're more they're more into the modern stuff and that shows more for old school a lot of em heavy stuff at that show with a couple more a lot of parts for sale already i mean if people are looking for parts i saw one guy listing all kinds of parts in the pin side thread like for what old games or what yeah a lot of bally games actually You know, legs and transformers and a couple of new old stock backglasses, a couple of new old stock playfields. No, some nice, some good stuff. I was like, oh, wow, okay. So maybe that's kind of like a mini Allentown. So somebody's moving or something or getting in the hobby or retiring or something. Well it sounded as if that show becomes kind of a mini Allentown where there a lot of swapping and selling So he listed his stuff Hey I going to the show I can bring all this stuff or let make a deal Right or just letting people know here what I got So you probably could pre-sell some of it, right? I like doing that too now with the Allentown show. I like, what do I have around the house I don't need? What's taking up space, and what can I get for it? It's good stuff. So I did it last time, got rid of some stuff, made some money. I'm going to do it again for the next one. I got to be a little bit quiet because Janice will hear me saying this and she'll say, why aren't you going downstairs and putting boxes together and selling stuff at the show? Oh. Right. Okay. I don't want to do that. Not now, anyway. That's all I got. Do you have anything else? Well, see, speaking of that show, I have a stack of playfields, Newell Stock or CPR or whatever, that I'd say is probably, I don't know, at least four feet high. Probably more of play field stacked up. They're all, you know, ready to go into games. But do I have enough time left on the life clock to get them done? You know? So now I'm thinking I should probably look through that. It's like, what will I not get to? What just I should put up for sale next time around next show? Or whatever, and get it done, like get rid of some stuff. I have one last thing for you. You mentioned it. Did you want to talk about Spider-Man? Oh, yeah, Spider-Man. Yes. We did do a show. You were wondering. We did do a show on Spider-Man. Not the stern one, the old one. The old one. Yeah. So you're talking about the new one now? I have a new one, too. Well, the old one, I've had, I go through these streaks, like I probably told last time. a whole bunch of Supersonics and then a whole bunch of all these Williams games. And now a whole bunch of Embryons came in. Now I have a whole bunch of what's the game you just say? I lost my mind. Spider-Man! Oh my god! What is wrong with you? George, we ate a pot of brownie tonight. That's what happens. Oh my god! I'm sitting here going I just told him this. Is he this dense? Do I have to? I can't reach through and grab you and hit you. We got some feel-good candies happening around here. Party on, Garth. Someone slipped me a Mickey. That sounds like somebody slipped you some chocolate. No, the Dr. Dave phone. It went ding-dong. You know, that one. So, Spider-Man, yes. So, I've worked on a bunch of them. I think there's one, two, coming up to a third one. But I haven't seen Spider-Man in a while. All of a sudden they start coming in. They come in waves. But Spider-Man is actually a very rebuildable game. Any kind of system like that that's not overly complex is not too bad. Good day spa game. And the new Stern Spider-Man from 2007, I have that all restored now. We've created with a real Stern knocker. You've got a Stern shaker motor in there, mirror blades. Whose game is that? Yours? That's mine. It's going to be for sale. It's for sale now. Mine. Gorgeous. Do you have a Stern Spider-Man? I do. I took it in trade. Oh, okay. Did you talk about this already? I might have mentioned it, but I'm not sure. I also have a really nice Monster Bash I have to do. I got a whodunit. Not a whodunit. A Doctor Who I have to do for our podcast friend in Florida. that he did some consigning with me. Right. I think you talked about that. Okay. I got the stern nine ball for Scott. He's almost done. When I get back, I just get a little more. That thing's turned out awesome. We're going to put a Merkle play field in that. But we looked after a while, and the thing was, it was all bowed. You know, and plus the clear coat will chip off and so forth. This is the Merkle was bowed? Yeah, it was bowed. Yeah. It wasn't straight anymore. that's a wide body right no regular body regular and it was bowed you know bow like like bow and arrow like curved like not straight like not level not perfect for a pinball machine right could you do what some people do and put a bar across it to straighten it out do what again You know how some people put a bar across it and screw it in to kind of straighten the plywood out? You could do that, but it's not worth it because the play field is, you know, the original play field I had for the game is already really nice. So I told him that. I showed him both playfields. I said, okay, it looks fine. So the original play field is in there. Someone did a little touch-up and a little clear on it, and it looks great. So did the customer buy the play field or you? He bought the play field. Oh, good. So you don't have any money. And then he was going to buy, he bought some other nine ball plastics. He goes, well, those suck too. Just throw them out or whatever. It's like, you know, I don't know. The original, I told him everything original in this game is awesome. I just need a little restoration. The game is awesome. So I took out the, the problem with this nine ball is it had Williams flippers in it, but Ballet, but Stern mix. So I was like, I don't want Williams flippers in there. I don't want these pointy things in there. There should be Stern roundy flippers like Ballet, you know. Make it the way it's supposed to be. Took him out, put the stern in there, the valley in there, either way, and it kept hitting the lane guy. It just wouldn't go all the way up. It's like, well, this is wrong. So this was like a factory defect, and it kept cutting into the flipper rubber or not letting the flipper go up all the way. That's why there wasn't much wear in the play field. I think this game was kind of a reject from a while back of putting the back corner. So how did you fix it? It was my first time doing this one. So I basically drilled out larger the play field, the flipper bushing holes. I drilled them out bigger. So now I have more room to move that around. I can move the flipper assembly around in the right spot to make that flipper alignment for the inline. When the ball comes down the inline to the flipper, it's a nice smooth transition. Because this thing here was bumping. The flippers were binding. so I basically made a bigger hole and it brought both flippers down and away from that area and in alignment so now I bolted them back in now it's like no more binding of flippers the ball goes nice and smooth towards them so it's going to be really nice this is what I do when I optimize these games this is the optimization part just throw stuff together you've got to optimize everything like race car my brother is calling me my birthday why don't we do the following yes why don't you say goodbye to everybody and we're going to tell everybody oh I have one last thing I asked you the other day if you were mad at me and you said no thank god but we have to share this with our audience. Dave was not exactly happy with me because of the last podcast. He said there was a noise in it and we heard from one or two of our audience, but I would like to hear from others. So if you listen to the last podcast and you heard some noise that shouldn't be there, You can contact either Dave or I, me, at theclassicpinballpodcast, all spelled out with the numeral one at gmail.com. Dave, how about you? You can always reach me at dave at pinballdoctor.com or www.pinballdoctor.com for the website. And check out what we have for sale and ready for sale for the Christmas present season. approaching. Yeah, so what's ready? Stern Spider-Man. Okay. Big choice. Big choice. And there's a very good chance that a Bally Evil Knievel is ready and ready to go as well. We never did that game either. Oh, I got a beautiful one. I have one I made for me with a nice new playfield in it and one B game that's very presentable and nice. Nice playfield and whatever Backglass Cabinet, that's for sale. But I made a really nice Evil Knievel for me. So when I get that going, we can do a game show on that one. Cool. Okay. But you know what I really want to do for a game for me, if I ever get a chance to, I've been so busy with other people's games, is Six Million Dollar Man. I have a brand new play field for that game. I think that's a better game than Evil Knievel. I remember playing it, but I don't... I don't know. I have to play it. It's been a long time. It's not a game I usually don't see them that often. You don't. And when I first was restoring 6-1 for one guy, it's an okay game. I remember playing it back in the day. It was okay. But I like it better now than back in the day. It brings me back to playing at this ice cream shop I played with. It was that. It was Six Million Dollar Man, Evil Knievel, and I I think a missile command was there and it was just a, it was a great time playing those games. It's a brings you back kind of thing. I think I, I think I rated one of those. I think I got one from junkie Jeff and, uh, and disassembled it. I remember getting a lot. Well, obviously it's got six, uh, displays in it. I think I got some displays out of it and some other mechs out of it. I know I got those big targets. It's got those wider, uh, valley stationary targets like in Paragon. Yeah. The extra wide ones. I don't know size-wise, but you know what I'm talking about. The red ones. Yeah. So I've got a bunch of those. I forget why I wanted that for that reason. I think it was for Paragon. I probably used one in that because it was cracked or whatever. And just to have some extras. But anyway, I'm going to say... Yeah. I was going to say Paragon It does have a big, wide, red stand-up. Yeah, it does. Doesn't it have the one up top? I'm not in front of the game. No. Okay. The one up top is not wide. I think it's a regular stand-up. Okay. I don't think it's wide. What game am I thinking of, then? I know I have a game with it in it. Maybe not. Okay. I'm going to have to go downstairs and look afterwards. Your collection, you have one with that in it? Okay, hang on Maybe it's a game I sold Would there have been one in A Kings of Steel? No Okay Stay tuned I'll follow up next show Everybody else is screaming at the podcast Right now, but say goodbye to everybody You can go call your brother back And say happy birthday And We're going to see everybody Or we're going to record again soon. We're not going to let this go for 19 months like we just did. Dolly is leaving in October. So we can do Dolly. It's a nice classic ballet. It didn't get a lot of love back in the day. So stay tuned. I'm going to hold you to that. We're going to do Dolly. I don't know how we're going to do Dolly, but we're going to do Dolly. That didn't sound right. Wait, does Dolly do Dallas? We're not going there. We'll talk about Dolly. I have my thoughts on Dolly again. I will say, George, you know, if you knew Dolly like I knew Dolly, oh. Oh, what a girl. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, say goodnight. It only took us eight minutes this time to say goodnight. My website has all the podcasts, too, George. Oh, it does? yes my website is all our podcast listeners they go to the website they click on any podcast so what's the website it's pinballdoctor.com pinballdoctor.com all spelled out I'm going to have to go look you haven't seen my website George come on just like you don't listen to me it's a happy marriage go to my website it's a happy marriage what are you going to say what else do you know about the podcast Oh yeah, I did a Dolly video that's out there right now on YouTube. It shows her attributes very nicely. I mean, all of her attributes have color changer blinkers in them. Okay. She's very intrudable at this point. Okay. Are you going to say goodnight now? And I have her hands with her snapping hands. You're not, are you? Blinking. No, probably not. One more thing, sir. Snapping hands, snapping fingers, all good. Anyway, George, this has been a blast. We're still broadcasting from Martha's Vineyard for the Lemonade Stand Porch, having a country time. And I want to wish all of you a blessed incoming fall coming in. Okay, folks, stay lit and tilted. I don't even know what episode this is. It doesn't matter. A hundred and something. Stay lit and tilted, and we'll see you hopefully in a couple of weeks, not a couple of months like it's been. We'll get on a more regular schedule. Okay? Sounds like a plan. Be good. Later. Later. Just sit right back in your hill. It's hill. It's hill of a faithful trip. Started from this tropic port aboard this tiny ship. The mate was a mighty sailing lad, a skipper brave and sure. Five passengers set sail that day for a three-hour tour. A three-hour tour. Oh, it makes me wonder. Who really makes me wonder Who do you call when you want your pinball machine restored? Dr. Dave! Dave! Who? Dave! D-A-V-E! Yeah, Dave! Dave! Right. George, you don't know what you're saying. You're under their control. George, we've had it with you. Say no rodeo, bro dad. Hasta la vista, baby.

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