# Episode 25 - Jack Danger (deadflip Pinball Streaming)

**Source:** Special When Lit  
**Type:** podcast_episode  
**Published:** 2018-11-26  
**Duration:** 69m 58s  
**Beat:** Pinball

**URL:** https://specialwhenlitpinballpodcast.com/episode-25-jack-danger-deadflip-pinball-streaming

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## Analysis

Jack Danger discusses his role as deadflip Pinball's streaming personality and Stern contract worker, detailing his Netherlands trip to the Dutch Pinball Open, his accidental Bill and Ted's leak, his Jeffree Star stream collaboration, and the creative differences between corporate Stern streams and his personal location-based content. He explains his streaming model, wrist injury from daily play, and the challenge of maintaining credibility across multiple manufacturers.

### Key Claims

- [HIGH] Jack Danger is a contract worker for Stern and receives compensation to continue streaming content — _Jack Danger stated directly: 'I am a contract worker for them... they throw me a bone to like help me continue doing what I do.'_
- [HIGH] The Bill and Ted's banner leak was intentional creative content, not an accident — part of a pattern of posting fake Photoshopped announcements that he deletes after an hour — _Jack Danger explained: 'This is not the first time that I've done this. Like five years ago, I was doing this, you know, before I even had any contact with Stern... you put them up, you leave it for an hour, delete it, don't say anything and then the internet catches fire.'_
- [HIGH] Jack Danger was invited to the Dutch Pinball Open as a paid guest by Jonathan Joosten, the Dutch Pinball Magazine creator, with costs covered by the Dutch Pinball Museum and Dutch Pinball Open organizers — _Jack Danger: 'Jonathan Joosten... reached out to a few people and they're like, we can make this happen. So they got the Dutch Pinball Museum and the folks from the Dutch Pinball Open to pool some cash together to fly me out as a guest.'_
- [HIGH] Jack Danger streams 3-5 hours Monday through Friday at 6 p.m. Central, which has caused wrist overuse injury diagnosed by his doctor — _Jack: 'I went to the doctor a couple weeks ago and they said I have over, what is it, overused wrist... it's like your right wrist is like screwed right now.'_
- [HIGH] Jack Danger negotiated with Stern to maintain credibility by not becoming exclusively aligned with Stern, preserving his ability to cover other manufacturers — _Jack: 'For me to take the global ambassador position with Stern, we had a very long talk about like if I become a shill for Stern exclusively, I lose all credibility, my show's just going to flop.'_
- [HIGH] The Jeffree Star stream was among Jack Danger's top three biggest streams ever — _Jack Danger: 'I'd say top three biggest streams that I've done.'_
- [HIGH] Jim Patla and Paul Ferris attended the Dutch Pinball Open with their wives and shared stories about working together on machines from the Bally Williams era — _Jack Danger: 'So I was a guest along with Jim Patla, famed pinball designer from the Bally Williams days. And Paul Ferris... those gentlemen had actually worked on machines together.'_
- [HIGH] Jeffree Star's collection includes every JJP game and every Spooky game, maintained in immaculate condition — _Jack Danger: 'He had every JJP game, every Spooky game... His collection was impeccable... Everything was super clean.'_

### Notable Quotes

> "I play pinball every day. I just got to lock my wrist down for a little bit and we should be good to go."
> — **Jack Danger**, early segment
> _Reveals occupational injury from daily streaming; shows dedication to the role despite physical toll_

> "If I become a shill for Stern exclusively, I lose all credibility, my show's just going to flop."
> — **Jack Danger**, mid-episode
> _Key insight into his business model and independence strategy; shows awareness of community skepticism about manufacturer alignment_

> "This is not the first time that I've done this. Like five years ago, I was doing this... you put them up, you leave it for an hour, delete it, don't say anything and then the internet catches fire."
> — **Jack Danger**, Bill and Ted discussion
> _Explains the intentional leak strategy; demonstrates long-standing pattern of controlled viral content creation_

> "When I went over there, everyone wanted a photo. Everyone was complimenting me left and right. People wanted me to sign things. Like, I felt like an actual celebrity."
> — **Jack Danger**, Netherlands discussion
> _Reveals international recognition disparity; touches on identity and celebrity perception_

> "I need people in America to pay more attention to me, please."
> — **Jack Danger**, post-Netherlands reflection
> _Candid acknowledgment of lower domestic celebrity status despite larger follower base_

> "You're the silent assassin. Take the stories to the grave. No one will ever know."
> — **Host (Ken/Bill)**, late episode
> _Acknowledges Jack Danger's access to insider information and NDA constraints_

> "I'm Twitch's biggest pinball celebrity and she just busts out laughing."
> — **Jack Danger (recounting clip)**, personality clips discussion
> _Self-deprecating humor; shows willingness to mock his own celebrity claims_

### Entities

| Name | Type | Context |
|------|------|---------|
| Jack Danger | person | Pinball streamer, Stern contract worker, global pinball ambassador, creator of deadflip Pinball Streaming on Twitch with 33,000+ followers |
| deadflip Pinball Streaming | organization | Twitch streaming channel (twitch.tv/deadflip) operated by Jack Danger, featuring daily streams Monday-Friday at 6 p.m. Central |
| Stern | company | Pinball manufacturer; Jack Danger is a contract worker providing content and social media/graphics design for new machine launches |
| Jonathan Joosten | person | Creator of Dutch Pinball Magazine; facilitated Jack Danger's invitation to Dutch Pinball Open |
| Dutch Pinball Open | event | Pinball tournament in the Netherlands; Jack Danger attended as a guest and streamed the event |
| Dutch Pinball Museum | organization | Museum in the Netherlands that co-funded Jack Danger's trip to Dutch Pinball Open |
| Jim Patla | person | Famed pinball designer from Bally Williams era; attended Dutch Pinball Open alongside Paul Ferris and their wives |
| Paul Ferris | person | Paragon Backglass creator; attended Dutch Pinball Open; worked on machines with Jim Patla during Bally Williams days |
| Jeffree Star | person | Cosmetics entrepreneur and former musician; owns extensive pinball collection (all JJP and Spooky games); streamed with Jack Danger in LA |
| Nate | person | Jeffree Star's boyfriend; watches Jack Danger's stream content |
| Special When Lit Pinball Podcast | organization | Podcast series based in St. Charles, Illinois; sponsored by Two Brothers Artisan Brewing; hosts this episode with Jack Danger |
| Bill Webb | person | Co-host of Special When Lit Pinball Podcast; absent from this episode due to family emergency |
| Two Brothers Artisan Brewing | company | Brewery based in St. Charles, Illinois; sponsors Special When Lit Pinball Podcast; created Pinball Pale Ale |
| Christopher Franchi | person | Commenter who alerted Jack Danger to the Bill and Ted's leak and its implications |
| Whitewood of TNA | game | Pinball machine that Scott Danesi was streaming in 2016 when Jack Danger first appeared on a live stream |
| Scott Danesi | person | Streamer of Whitewood of TNA in 2016; connection point for Jack Danger's entry into pinball streaming |
| Logan Arcade | organization | Arcade venue in Chicago where Jack Danger has streamed content |
| Button Mash | organization | Venue in Los Angeles where Jack Danger streamed during his Jeffree Star trip |
| Ace Goge | organization | Tournament venue in Los Angeles where Jack Danger participated during Jeffree Star trip |
| Bill and Ted's Excellent Pinball Adventure | game | Stern pinball machine; fake announcement leaked by Jack Danger on Facebook for 10-12 minutes; became subject of speculation and industry discussion |

### Topics

- **Primary:** Pinball streaming on Twitch and content creation, Jack Danger's role as Stern contract worker and ambassador, Manufactured leaks and viral marketing tactics, Dutch Pinball Open trip and international recognition, Jeffree Star collaboration and celebrity involvement in pinball
- **Secondary:** Occupational health impacts of daily streaming, Manufacturer relationships and industry politics, Twitch platform mechanics and monetization

### Sentiment

**Positive** (0.82) — Jack Danger expresses enthusiasm about his streaming career, international recognition, collaborations, and manufacturing partnerships. Minor concerns about wrist injury and self-aware humor about domestic celebrity status temper otherwise very positive tone.

### Signals

- **[content_signal]** Jack Danger's Twitch streams with Jeffree Star ranked in top 3 biggest streams ever; significant reach beyond traditional pinball community (confidence: high) — Jack stated the Jeffree Star stream was 'top three biggest streams that I've done' and drew viewers unfamiliar with pinball but interested in Jeffree Star's content
- **[personnel_signal]** Jack Danger holds official title of 'global ambassador' for Stern with contract compensation; negotiated independence clause to maintain credibility across manufacturers (confidence: high) — Jack: 'I am a contract worker for them... For me to take the global ambassador position with Stern, we had a very long talk about like if I become a shill for Stern exclusively, I lose all credibility'
- **[community_signal]** Significant disparity between international and domestic celebrity recognition; European pinball community treats Jack Danger as major celebrity while US community is more casual (confidence: high) — Jack: 'I felt like an actual celebrity... But when I'm like, here in the States, you know, at a pinball event, everyone's like, Oh, hey, Jack.'
- **[product_strategy]** Jack Danger uses intentional fake leaks of Photoshopped machine announcements as recurring content strategy; has done this for 5+ years (confidence: high) — Jack: 'This is not the first time that I've done this. Like five years ago, I was doing this... you put them up, you leave it for an hour, delete it, don't say anything and then the internet catches fire.'
- **[industry_signal]** Stern leverages Jack Danger's streaming platform for new machine reveals and marketing; Jack was live-streaming Oktoberfest reveal at Pinball Expo (confidence: high) — Host asked about Jack's role in Oktoberfest reveal: 'you were essentially did the live reveal as they were revealing it at Pinball Expo'
- **[content_signal]** Jack Danger positioned as central node in pinball media ecosystem; referenced across multiple podcasts and streaming platforms (confidence: medium) — Episode is part of Special When Lit Podcast; discussion of Jack's appearances on other shows and collaborations with content creators
- **[event_signal]** Dutch Pinball Open attracted international guests including legendary designers; Museum and organizers invested in content creator attendance (confidence: high) — Jack was flown out as guest; Jim Patla and Paul Ferris attended; Jack streamed and documented the event heavily
- **[design_philosophy]** Jack Danger prefers unscripted, location-based streams over corporate Stern streams; believes authentic personality better serves audience (confidence: high) — Jack: 'My favorite thing about going on location is... when I get to play Deadpool on location, that's when I'm like, frick it. I don't care what anything looks like. I'm just going to drink.'
- **[operational_signal]** Jack Danger manages complex multi-camera setup and equipment teardown for daily streams; managing occasional accident incidents with venue patrons (confidence: high) — Jack: 'I have all this work to tear all these cameras down. Don't break anything. Don't let some other ding-dong walking by with a beer spill anything.'
- **[product_concern]** Jack Danger suffering from wrist overuse injury (carpal tunnel-like condition) from 3-5 hour daily pinball play; doctor-prescribed wrist guard required (confidence: high) — Jack: 'I went to the doctor a couple weeks ago and they said I have over, what is it, overused wrist... right wrist is like screwed right now... I have to wear like a dorky frickin' bowling like wrist guard.'
- **[leak_detection]** Bill and Ted's Excellent Pinball Adventure banner appeared on Jack Danger's Facebook for 10-12 minutes before deletion; later clarified as intentional creative content, not leak (confidence: high) — Christopher Franchi commented on the leak; Jack received messages from Stern team members laughing about it; Jack explained it as part of his recurring fake-leak strategy

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## Transcript

The Special When Lit Pinball Podcast is sponsored by Two Brothers Artisan Brewing, makers of Pinball Pale Ale. Coming at you out of St. Charles, Illinois, the Special When Lit Pinball Podcast starts now. Hey, what's going on pinball land? Welcome to episode number 25 of the Special When Lit Pinball Podcast. I am not flying solo today. Bill Webb, unfortunately, on the way to the The Pinball Palette Studio had a family member in need, so he is not in attendance. But in his place today, we've got the man, the action, the creator of Dead Flip Pinball Streaming. I'll just, I'll be Bill Webb today. You can just call me Bill. Bill Webb, welcome to the studio. Hey, thanks for having me. I'm back. Guys, it's Jack Danger. Jack, what's up, man? Not much, brother. Dude, thanks for coming in to the Pinball Palette Studio. Are we, are we even in Illinois anymore? Where? Yeah, yeah. We're in St. Charles, it's a western suburb of Chicago, we're about 40 miles west. It was a bit of a drive. I understood you had a little bit of a drive. Yeah. And you're just ahead of the blizzard that's supposed to take place here later this afternoon, that's supposed to be like 8 to 12 inches. That's going to be exciting to drive through. We're going to try to keep you short and concise so that you're not getting stuck in the snow on the way home, but... That's all right. I'm a, what is it, an alerted snow driver. An alerted snow driver. Learned? What is the... I don't know, you adapt to the snow. Well, you're from Chicago originally. Born and raised. Born and raised, as am I. So you shouldn't have any issues with the snow. No, we should be good to go. Right, good. So what's been going on? So actually, I know there's been a lot going on. Yeah, actually too much. I'm not really sure where to start with you. I know my personal experience with you, we started becoming buddies back in the, what was it, maybe, was it 2016 when Scott was streaming his Whitewood of TNA? Yeah, Whitewood of TNA, that's right. You swung by. I think you even made a... A can, right? ...two brothers pinball pale ale can with the dead flip flipper on it and something Scott Danesi related on there too. I did. It was the promo can. Yeah. I think I was dropping off beer for the stream and I remember jumping on there. First time I ever played pinball on the internet. That was kind of stressful. I think I drained in like four or five seconds. Everyone's so nervous about their first time being on stream, but it really, if you just look at what's happening, you're just by yourself. There's no one staring at you. I mean, let's do this. Let's start with, I would imagine a majority of our listeners know exactly who you are and exactly what pinball streaming is. They freaking better. Right? Otherwise, if you don't... You're all fired from pinball. Exactly. Can you just give a brief overview of kind of what it is that you do? And now it's like pretty much a daily basis you're streaming. So can you just, somebody that's into pinball and isn't quite sure what a stream is, I mean, in a minute or two, can you kind of explain what it is that's going on with pinball streaming? Absolutely. Monday through Friday, sometimes on the weekends, I am live at 6 p.m. Central, either from my own collection here in Chicago or out in the world now on someone's machine from like a dive bar or like a basement. But all I'm doing is just setting up my rig, which is several cameras over one computer to show you the play field, the DMD and my face, and then we just get drunk, grab random strangers, teach them how to play pinball and do our best to just blow up the machine. And it's fun, it's entertaining because you're able to watch pinball and kind of get an idea of a rule set and how a machine plays, but in the process, we're just watching you just have the time of your life on what looks like a nightly basis. Yeah, buddy, it's a blast for sure. I will say, you know, and it is my full-time job. It's starting to take its toll. I went to the doctor a couple weeks ago and they said I have over, what is it, overused wrist or... Like a carpal tunnel or something? I had to like laugh at her. I was like, what are you trying to say, doc? Right. It's like your right wrist is like screwed right now. Really? So I can't lean on the game anymore. You're not supposed to lean on the game, but I find myself doing it a lot. Well, because you're streaming, you're not streaming for 20, 30 minutes. You've got three, four, five hour long streams. Exactly. Monday through Friday. So I'm playing a whole lot of pinball. And as the drinks go down and the night goes on, I'm leaning more and more. So, you know. And you're not feeling the effects of that with a little bit of a buzz going, right? I got that liquid confidence. Yeah, exactly. So, oh my gosh. So, I mean, this is not a career-threatening injury, right? You just have to do some rehabilitation. A little bit of a pin injury. I just got to lock my wrist down for a little bit and we should be good to go. Are you gonna have like wrist straps or anything in there? I have to wear like a dorky frickin' bowling like wrist guard. But they say like this injury is only typically in like new mothers from picking up their children a lot. Well, and you have a daughter too, right? I do have a daughter and I pick that kid up a lot. But yeah, she laughed. She's like, what are you doing? I'm like, I play pinball every day. Jimmy Sanchez is executioner, you're talking to aendea moved as fans and so you literally aren't ever career all-training right again today i know that's always true percent so you think love exciting things happen as asa point and i want like to do is try to i don't know if some of your pinball stories supposed to know i've got some questions that i'd like to ask you later about your uh... your alliance with stern about your pinball ambassadorship throughout all the manufacturers and that sort of thing but uh... so as of late i know the two things that have come to my mind that i thought were pretty fun uh... one was your trip to the netherlands. Oh baby that was... and that was the Dutch Pinball Open. Yep, that was awesome. i was watching your facebook every couple minutes couple hours you had a a picture that was uploaded whether it was from a museum or a landmark that was there uh... but it was just consistent and i could tell that you were really enjoying yourself Tell us a little bit about that trip. What happened over there? So, uh, how do you even get over there? Like, how does that even come? Um, Jonathan Joosten, uh, the creator of the pinball magazine lives over there. And I jokingly, uh, brought up to him like, you know, I want to go to the Netherlands. You should fly me out there sometime, you know, bring me out to the Dutch pinball open. And he's like, well, I don't know. And then, you know, he reached out to a few people and they're like, we can make this happen. So they got the Dutch Pinball Museum and the folks from the Dutch Pinball Open to pool some cash together to fly me out as a guest. And I just streamed the whole damn thing. So you were a guest. Yeah, you weren't. Wow. Very cool. So I was a guest along with Jim Patla, famed pinball designer from the Bally Williams days. And Paul Ferris. Paul Ferris, the Paragon Backglass guy. So those gentlemen had actually worked on machines together. I actually went on a tour of Amsterdam with those two gentlemen and their wives. Oh, and the wives. Yeah. So that's good. So I didn't ... My wife was my giant gun case full of camera equipment. That's awesome. Right. But they, through conversations, were like, oh, we worked on this game together. They were remembering things that they had done together, which was awesome to hear them reminisce about. Oh, for sure. We got ... And you're in the middle of this crisscross, this crosstalk. We got really drunk every single night together staying up till about 3 or 4 in the morning. What are you drinking out there in the middle? Literally whatever was put in our hands. Like we didn't have to pay for anything. Awesome. It was awesome. But I heard so many stories from the Bally Williams days that could never be repeated ever, ever, ever. Isn't that awesome? It's like in the Jack Danger vault. I'm just like sitting there shaking my head and like a smile from ear to ear like this is like some Mad Men shit. Like this doesn't happen. It's like surreal, right? You're like what's going on here? More info at demawlousvaccion, az.co.uk Dude, this is awesome, you know, like you're this is the type of game that I designed was like and I do want to get Into that white wood. Oh, yeah, let it later as well. Yeah. Oh, yeah a deep dive in the Jack Danger white. Anyway, long story short too late Um, it was freaking awesome. I recorded everything I could I took photos of absolutely everything. I did a boat trip of Amsterdam I live-streamed it You're taking those 3d photos with your phone. Oh, dude. There's so what is that? Is that an iPhone? What's the craziest thing that happened to you out there? You have any missing time elements where you kind of woke up in an alley and you weren't quite sure how you had gotten there? I definitely had, the second I landed they drove me to the Dutch Pinball Museum and I had to go upstairs and like climb under a machine and take a nap because I was jet lagged, and when I woke up I was like where the frick am I right now? Did, uh, you have a couple uh cocktails on the planes you uh missed in the flight? You have to, you know. I learned from a book and I'm not going to share its name that, you know, you just- you be nice to people and Well, they'll be nice to you, you know, and, uh, you know, it was nice to my male stewardess and he just kept secretly pocketing me a little bottles of whiskey. A little whiskey bottles? How long is the flight there? It was about seven hours. It felt like about two. Yeah. It was good. All right, Jack. So I remember when you came back, you were on one of your Twitch streams and something that you said really interests me. You said in your, at your trip over to the Netherlands that you had never felt more like a celebrity than you did over there. You've got so many followers here, I just found that to be very curious. There was a, I don't know if it's like an egotistical thing on my part, but like, I don't, when I went over there, everyone wanted a photo. Everyone was complimenting me left and right. People wanted me to sign things. Like, I felt like an actual celebrity. It was amazing. But when I'm like, here in the States, you know, at a pinball event, everyone's like, Oh, hey, Jack. Yeah, it's like a podcast. It's pretty cool. It's like, there's that stream guy. Right. That's not true though either. You got a lot of followers here. Yeah, it's like they know me but they, I don't know if they're like afraid to like come up and say hi or if like the, maybe in the Netherlands the language barrier was so weird they're like, I just gotta dive in and say hey to this dude. They're excited. Yeah, it was awesome, it was awesome and I need people in America to pay more attention to me, please. Do you think maybe it's just because like you're more available, accessible here with different pinball shows? You know that could be because I am like sort of everywhere. You're like the Pope coming over to the United States recently. John Popadiuk, Automated Amusements, Jerry K. K. I've seen you streaming at Logan Arcade in the city. What you see me do on screen where I'm just having a good time, that's the in-between time. That's when I'm like, okay, I can relax, but I know when I shut down, I have all this work to tear all these cameras down. Don't break anything. Don't let some other ding-dong walking by with a beer spill anything. It's a lot of work. That's why I stay away from the cameras, Jack. I'm in the background. I'm a little bit of a beer. We've only had a few accidents over the years of people spilling stuff or knocking things over but as of late we've been pretty good. So let me ask you this and I'm going to jump in and this puts you on the spot and you don't want to talk about this, that's fine. You brought up Oktoberfest and how you were essentially did the live reveal as they were revealing it at Pinball Expo. I was in the front row with Bill and it was interesting just kind of see again how you and that how you know you were waiting for them to reveal and you were kind of you know teasing it a little bit a little bit showing a little bit here and there to screw up the cameras right oh oh I guess oh sorry about that uh what do I do if I press this button yeah then it just starts um and so and you're on payroll with Stern now right like you're a Stern employee I am a contract worker for them yeah so they uh they they throw me a bone to like help me continue doing what I do gosh twitch uh regardless of what people think I don't make a I'm not a fan of Star Wars, but I do like Star Wars. I think Star Wars is a great game. I don't know if Star Wars is a good game, game, but game. I'm walking dead. Walking dead. Yeah. Okay. I also do like, you know, I'll do some social media for them. I'll design some like launch graphics for them. Usually if you see like, you know, the new Beatles machines coming out and every single member of the Beatles has my face on it, you'll know that. Recently I saw a Bill and Ted's pinball machine that was coming out by Stern. I don't know what you're talking about. I just happened to see that show up somewhere for about 10 minutes. Yeah. Which I thought was interesting. You know, here, let me, let me just air this really quick. Okay. Can I officially ask the question here? Yeah, please. Please. The Bill and Ted's Excellent Pinball Adventure banner had showed up on your Facebook page a couple weeks ago. Right. It was up for 10 or 12 minutes. Yep. There was kind of a comment by Christopher Franchi that kind of led to the fact that, hey, man, you probably shouldn't have let that cat out of the bag. You're going to get a slap on the wrist for that. Yeah, yeah. And then it was taken down. And then there was a lot of speculation. Yep. There was a lot of discussion. My phone was blowing up because anybody that listens to the podcast that- Everyone was contacting me. Yeah. Did you see this? So what was going on with that? Was that a slip of the upload button or what happened? So, um, the thing that is confusing is for anyone that's been following me for any period of time, they'll know that this is not the first time that I've done this. Like five years ago, I was doing this, you know, before I even had any contact with Stern. I'd be like, man, it'd be really cool if they made a, you know, a freaking My Little Pony machine or a, I don't know, what's it, Pee Wee Herman's Big Pinball Adventure. That would be a cool pin actually. So I will actually find high-res graphics, Photoshop the crap out of them to make them look like those announcements that Stern would have made back in the day and put them on my page and what you do is you put them up, you leave it for an hour, delete it, don't say anything and then the internet catches fire. Right. Okay? So you're single-handedly burning down the pinball internet. Yeah. I've only been yelled at once by Stern to take something down because it was a little too close to home. Okay? I like just nailed on the head. Right. And they're like, son of a bitch, Jack. Right. Like, how did you do this? Get Jack on the phone. But now when I, you know, for the Bill and Ted thing, I posted it and like every Stern dude who would theoretically yell at me was texting me laughing. They're like, yeah, OK. They're like, but it was a great theme. You know, I don't know if it would sell well in Europe, but that's, you know, a great idea. So it's all just goofing. You know, do you think that Stern takes any part of that is like some kind of like free Mark I would like to hope that they do because I did have that conversation after I uploaded this last one. I was like, dude, the response to this is insane. That movie lends itself well because it's all over the place. Yeah, and it's that nostalgia that people that remember it love that, but also people just love nostalgia for nostalgia sake. So I think it would be a great thing. So when you are going back to Oktoberfest, when you're revealing a pinball machine for another company, there's not any type of conflict of interest for Stern at that point, you don't think? No. Okay. For me to take the global ambassador position with Stern, we had a very long talk about like if I become a shill for Stern exclusively, I lose all credibility, my show's just going to flop. And above all else, I want my show to succeed and just be like this cool bridge of like John Popadiuk, Automated Amusements, Jerry K. K. Who's allowed to just bounce around all these different manufacturers. And he's nailing down licenses for multiple different pinball companies. So, I mean, that's a good comparison, actually. I just always wondered in the back of my mind if you ever felt that, because you are a global ambassador for pinball in general, if you felt that if you kind of aligned yourself with any particular company, if it would put you in a bad spot or so but everything cool I made sure to guarantee that was all ironed out so that there wasn going to be any problems And you know I know a lot of games coming from most of these manufacturers And I regardless of how drunk I get on stream I am a frickin ball You're the silent assassin. You take the stories to the grave. No one will ever know. Nobody will ever know. It'll be fun one day because I guarantee you'll have like a Jack Danger memoir similar to like a like a Todd Tucky book or something. Just all the secrets from all the manufacturers. Everything that you knew ahead of time, things that never came to fruition, you driving around with Jim and Paul in the Netherlands about all the crazy stories you heard about. Oh my God. I mean, that would be fun. The only thing that sucks about being in this position is I can't play the fun speculation game because if someone's like, man, it'd be really cool if they made an ALF pinball machine and I got to be like, that'd be crazy. I can't say yes or no. Mrs. Alkmanek, multiball. Yeah, ALF. I don't know about that. Did you say ALF or ALF? ALF? Alph? Like alien life form? Yeah. Is that what you're talking about? Yeah. That would make a great pinball machine. Oh, I thought, okay. Chasing down the cats? I don't know, man. Ooh. Yeah, exactly. Because he eats cats. He does, supposedly. Just recently, another crazy Jack Danger pinball stream adventure with Jeffree Star. Oh, yeah. And I'm gonna ask you to kind of explain Jeffree Star because when I saw this being teased on your Facebook page, I didn't know who he was. Sure. And I kind of immediately thought, well, maybe I'll take a pass in watching that stream because I don't really know who this person is and I don't know if it's a big deal. But then I just kind of sat back and I watched how the excitement around it started evolving and not necessarily with pinball people in general, but just the community that knew this Jeffree Star guy. And it turned out to be, I guess, probably one of your hugest streams that you've ever done. Yeah, I'd say top three biggest streams that I've done. So who is Jeffree Star? So Jeffree Star is a gentleman who is like a cosmetics guru. He became famous coming up from, let's say, he started on MySpace, became super big on MySpace. I forgot about MySpace. Oh yeah, everyone forgot about MySpace. I have not updated my page in MySpace in a while. Then he, I forget the name of the gentleman who originally discovered Lady Gaga. Yeah, a dude you're- Akon? No clue. I don't know. That guy. So, we discovered Lady Gaga. Lady Gaga got huge. Then this guy discovered Jeffree Star and he's like, this is going to be the next Lady Gaga. But then like some stuff went down and everything sort of crumbled down. So, Jeffree... So, he was a singer? Yeah. Like a musician. Like you can look up his music. I didn't know. Yeah. He's got music videos out there and stuff. I think he still does music. And Jeffree, I apologize. I don't know that you listen to Pinball Podcast, but I'm learning about you and I'm interested. So, that's why I'm asking questions here. But now he has this giant makeup line that everyone loves. Also, don't forget to subscribe to dvatoids! John Popadiuk, K a friend of mine sent me that they're like dude check this out scoped it out uh so that jeffrey was uh following me on twitter hollered at him and he's like oh well i said i was like dude great collection that's awesome you know i'd love to check it out he's like yeah come to l.a we're gonna stream You contacted him? Yeah. Told him it was awesome and he's like, come out and check it out. Yup. He's like, you, him and his boyfriend Nate watched the show and I was like, fricken' let's go. What's going through your head at that point? Like, were you a little taken aback? Like, holy shit, this guy actually knows what's going on with pinball and knows who I am and now I'm gonna go to LA and stream this superstar's pinball collection. It is crazy and it doesn't fail to, like, surprise me that, you know, people of that level or caliber watch my content but, you know, people like- It's not surprising that they watch the content, but that they willingly open themselves up. That, that, okay, that's, I guess what I was trying to go is like, they were so quick to be like, yeah, let's go come to LA. We're going to do this. And so I immediately booked a trip to LA, but I wanted to be there for a few days. So I planned it out, uh, like a tournament at Ace Goge. And then I did a stream from button mash out there. And then, you know, it, it was dope. That's incredible, man. His collection was impeccable. Let me do it, Mauricio The basketball rim is usually destroyed. The thing was immaculate. Everything was super clean. He had every JJP game, every Spooky game. I think that reflects towards his personality too because he looks very meticulous and... He's glamorous. Yes. So it only makes sense that he has glamorous machines. Like when I was waiting in his parking lot, he rolled up in the biggest Rolls Royce I'd ever seen in my life. How cool is that, man? That is awesome. But it was a huge honor and we will be streaming again with him very soon from his John Popadiuk, Automated Amusements, Jerry Klyce, Zach Meny, multiball, backglass, Dennis Kryce, Canadian influence for all the year of herd All this stuff. You got to check out, like, the whole thing on the internet. And, you know, you could be getting the whole thing. And, you know, I'm not saying that it's a good thing, but it's a good thing. You can't, like, you can't do it in the first place. But, yeah. Right? Yeah. I'm just saying that, like, one purse could probably replace this entire collection. It's like you're buying all the, uh, all the Primus machines, all 100 of them with the purse. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah. But, um. Anyway. Jeffrey, it was awesome. Thank you for having me. And I can't wait to hang out again. It's gonna happen soon. Yeah. Stuck in my house thinking about pinball machines and raising three kids with my wife, it was really fun to kind of be let into that whole situation that you're in with your pinball machines. And to learn more about you as a person, literally, I didn't think I would have cared about and I kind of walked away happy that I had watched that. So for what it's worth man, I thought you guys did a great job, both you and Geoffrey on that stream. That was a really really fun stream. It was a ton of fun. Absolutely. Speaking of fun streams, one thing that I've noticed, and I want to say this, your Stern streams are fun. Okay. John Popadiuk, Flip N Out Pinball Podcast, I'm going to go under the corporate umbrella. Okay. And you're just kind of doing your own thing whether it's in your studio. Those are my favorite too. Or whether you're on location. Yeah. Because it's a whole different dynamic, people. If you've only watched the Stern streams, I recommend that you go to Dead Flip Pinball Streaming. And how can somebody find you on Twitch if they don't know? And how do they find Twitch? Just... And what the hell is Twitch for those that don't know? Well, I'll tell you. Twitch, when it was first introduced to me, was the most confusing thing. And it's probably what everyone else thought. I'd be like, why the F would I want to watch other people play video games? Like that's the stupidest, like I could just go play Mario Brothers, but you may not have time to play Mario Brothers, you know, or maybe you don't have the game. Yeah, you don't have the game. You know. Or you're thinking about buying the game. Right. So, I mean, a friend of mine is like, so what do you, what do you love to play? And at the time I was a big World of Warcraft nerd. I was like, I love World of Warcraft and you know, but I was working 22 hours a day and he's like, guess what? You can watch someone else play World of Warcraft. Oh my gosh. While you're, while you're animating. I was like, that's a brilliant fricking idea. Turn it on. It's just like noise in the background and I can like sort of yell at an idiot for like What are you doing? You dropped the- There's a chat window that opens up while you're watching the person play a game live. They can interact live, which is the biggest selling point. If someone says, you're doing great, and for them to say, hey, HornyGramma69, thank you for saying that I did great. HornyGramma69. It's my favorite. Listen, that person showed up in my Twitch chat once four years ago, and I will never forget that name. HornyGramma69. Yeah. But, you know, then it took the, it took it to the next level of like, why are people giving this guy money? Like, it was content free. So on Twitch, you can, right, you can contribute by offering donations or subscription fees to your favorite streaming personalities and then, and then they retain some of that money, which helps them with the overall production costs. Right, so if you're just watching someone play Mario Brothers, you're like, why do I want to give this guy a dollar? And you see people like throwing hundreds of dollars, like why would you do that? Yeah, and when I'm putting scores on the game, you know, I'll choose someone's name randomly and be like, you know, red keg, you just got GC in this game, congratulations. That's really cool. And for those of you that don't know what GC means, that's the acronym for grand champ. Grand champion. Grand champion of the store. That's the highest score on the game at the moment. Right. Yeah. Exactly. So if you go to twitch.tv, that's the website, and then you would type in dead with a space flip. No, it's just dead flip. Is it just dead flip? Yep. Okay. At one point you had an underscore, right? So, you know, I've been on Twitch for years and it's because the name was locked up. Okay. There's some history on a website called Justin TV that turned into Twitch. Yeah. And anyway, regardless, the name finally came open. They hooked me up. Now it's just dead flip. So if you just Google dead flip, it's dead flip. Okay. So it's just dead flip. I searched, well, I have you, I'm subscribed, I think. So at that point, like, you're just show up in my favorites. I don't have to type your name in anymore. And I think I just subscribe back into dead underscore flip days. The reason I brought up the Twitch streams or the on location streams being my favorite, it's just your true kind of off the wall crazy ass personality really shines through. Yeah baby. And you're able to, you know, whether it's slamming down some drinks, having some fun with people that are there, you're very animated, you're hilarious. Well thank you. And for those of you that don't really have an idea of like the personality of a Jack Danger, I recommend if you look at his archive streams, some of my favorite things that you've ever done were like the clips of the month. Oh yeah. And it's neat which one you'll get into next month where you'll be auditioning for Woo! More side arcs and more We'll see you next time on the Flipper's Outtake Show. I'm Twitch's biggest pinball celebrity and she just busts out laughing. I saw that. And I'm just like, what? You're like, she ruined us, internet. She's laughing. This is the most rude thing anyone's ever done to me. You're like, I'm the internet's biggest pinball streamer. She's like, what is wrong with you? Yeah, yeah. She's... It's hilarious. God, I love it. But yeah, it's the... My favorite thing about going on location is, you know, I'll stream the, like, Deadpool at Stern. Yeah. You play it. I'm going to be as clean and as perfect for, you know, later viewing as possible. But then when I get to play Deadpool on location, that's when I'm like, frick it. I don't care what anything looks like. I'm just going to drink. We're going to grab randos from the bar. We're just going to have a good time. I'm going to teach people how to play pinball. There's going to be swearing. I'm going to kick the frickin game. It pisses me off. Yep. And you can stop and you're interacting with people that are in your chat window. Exactly. So you're having a conversation. So it's not, you know, five straight hours of constant pinball and it's not a five hour The Out Pinball Podcast is a production of WGBH. You have, I mean, you're streaming pinball. Yep. I've seen you in like just weird life situations where you just have kind of a camera going and recently you started a Whitewood. Oh, building a pinball machine. Building your own pinball machine. So let's take a little bit of time here and let's deep dive into that if you don't mind. So let's start in the beginning. Yeah. What made you think to yourself, I want to build a Whitewood and I want to share that with people on my Twitch channel? Sure. Deadpool was announced and I fire up my stream and the internet just starts doing what the internet does and it's like complaining about like, God, what a crap theme or I can't believe they didn't put this in the game or blah, blah, blah. And that's for every single game that comes out. There's going to be that huge loud subset of people that just, you know, want to complain about pinball people complaining. What? Yeah. Lol. Yeah. So it was sort of the last straw for me. And I was like, here's the thing. If you want a better pinball machine, I was like, this is a great idea. I'm going to build a pinball machine because I have no idea how to build one. And I'm only going to do it on stream. We're going to document it. I'm going to work through it as fast as possible to show you how to build a game. And then you can build a game that we can all shit on or we can all applaud because we want... Right. There's a couple of sides to this. Like number one, we need more pinball designers. We need a hell of a lot more pinball designers. You know, there's very, very... There might be like, what, nine? Yeah. In the world. That are currently working. Yeah, actually making pinball machines. So that number needs to increase because we need more options. And number two, like, if there's something you want to see in a game, frickin' put it in a game. Yeah. So... Well, easier said than done, I think most people would say. Exactly. So what we did was we opened up Visual Pinball, which gives you like a base little pinball machine you can flip on. We're like, okay, let's just design a game. And then about, I'd say, I'd say two streams we had our layout done. Yeah. Which was maybe like four or five hours. And so it starts you with kind of a white wood and then you're able to add ramps and scoops and everything else. So we stripped everything out to like build our own and we went through every single pinball machine from like the 50s to the mid 80s to find some inspiration on some games. All the internet did it. We just sat there and went through it. And we came up with a lot. So you're collaborating with all your fans. Exactly. You're actually matching with your channel. Yeah, it's crowd sourced. Like, the internet helped build this game. That's cool. So we built this machine, this layout that no one's ever seen before. It's reminiscent to a couple of different games, but the way it flows has not been done before. Yeah. A lot of flows around pop bumpers. Yeah, it's awesome. The way it sort of like does these little loop de loops and stuff. So really quick, we're like, hey, we could spend a year designing this pinball machine. We're just going to leave this how it is, move on to the next step, because this is about teaching you guys how to build one, not building one. You're not necessarily... So you're not pitching this for mass production at this point. You're just trying to get a concept out there in the show, start to a finish. So then it moved on to I don't know CAD. I'm familiar with 3D because that's what I did in my day-to-day back in the day, but I didn't know any of these CAD programs. But I learned that CAD and using Adobe Illustrator are pretty interchangeable for flat. Yeah, like vector drawings and that kind of stuff. So Scott Danesi gave me his lower third of TNA. Like the Italian bottom. Yeah. Scott Danesi is the creator of Total Nuclear Annihilation, which is a contracted build for Spooky Pinball. Yep. So he gave me a playfield which was just the lower third of TNA, and then he gave me like the design document of just the lower third. And I just started throwing stuff on there. And we, as we were building it out... So were you going to foam core the upper two thirds or was that just going to be a separate build? Yeah, we were going to like hand drill everything. Yeah yeah Which is what we did Right I saw you doing that We pulled everything from visual pinball into Illustrator made sure everything was one like perfect There nothing better than watching you slam some beers and drilling into a whitewood by the way I got yelled at by a lot of people about that, but we'll go into that in a minute. So I printed that out at Kinko's and we had a one-to-one that I laid on the whitewood, taped it down, and just started drilling into the playfield. Yeah, you had a paper template. And once I had all these things drilled in, I was like, I need parts for this now to start like parting it out and building like rails and stuff. And that's where things like sort of halted for a minute. Where are you getting these parts from? You just have like... Well, it's a great story, Ken. Thanks for asking. Hey, no problem, Jack. Hey, thanks for coming in the studio. I appreciate it. When I did the Deadpool reveal, I was talking about my build with Tanyo because Tanyo was Tanyo Kleiss, the programmer of Deadpool, was following along. Super nice guy. He's amazing. Yep. And George Gomez was overhearing and he came over. He's like, Hey, I've been following it too. Like, it's really awesome. I want to help you give you all the parts you need. Wow, that's generous. And I was like, what the frick, dude? I was like, well, this sounds like in my head. I'm like, well, it's gotta be a one time thing. So I was like, I need to go back and rethink this layout. If you're gonna give me all the parts I need to build a pinball machine. I want this to be a beautiful pinball machine. I want like the crazy stuff in there. And Gomez is like, No, the design is awesome. Like just build that like nine ramps. Yeah, I'm like, no, you, I'm like, maybe you haven't seen it. Like, it was a simple thing. He's like, no, no, no, it's great. Build that. And I was like, okay, cool. So yeah, that is cool. The next week, he gave me a box full of like freaking everything I needed. We have one more shopping trip, I call it, that I have to do at Stern next week. We're getting a full cabinet with an LCD screen from him. Oh, cool. Okay. And just so it's everything you've carte blanche for this hundred percent. Yeah, it's out of control. So Stern's logo is on there as I'm building it. NASem. Vovkova. Egor. Hrltsen. Friitz. tässä is cardiovascular gave bericob childr, Shields bibli, Mr. and how to build a pinball machine. So me getting all the free parts, that doesn't affect anything. You know, you can- So when you say a mini documentary, like what does that mean exactly? I'm taking all the streams that I'm doing and I'm going to cut them together so you can use it as a reference for like, oh, this is how to use CAD. This is how to use, this is how to print out a document to like lay it on a white wood. This is how to program. A step by step video tutorial from start to finish. So using the P-ROC boards allows us to use like mission, the mission pinball framework or skeleton game to program this pinball machine. So again, I'm not a programmer. So we're going to show you guys. Skeleton game just kind of gets your basics already up and running coded for you, right? Mission Pinball does the same thing. Okay, Mission Pinball. So I'm like, I'm so freaking torn between the two. I had a very long conversation with the Mission Pinball guys when I was in the Dutch Pinball Open who made the head to head good versus evil pinball machine. Yeah, that was cool. And they just released an update for that or something. So I don't know, like Scott Danesi used Skeleton Game and he really wants me to use it so he can help me, but we'll see. What's more popular for home brews right now? I have no idea. Okay. So you've used both or you're just, you're leaning one way towards the other? I played with both. I'm still on the fence. Okay. Um, anyway, so again, long story short, I don't mean to ramble on about this. No, this is why you're here. Hey, thanks for coming into the studio. No, this is great. Thanks for the beer. Yeah, no problem. When the game is flipping, that's when I'm going to cut the video down and put it on the internet for people to use as reference so they can go like, here's how to build. I built a frickin' rotisserie out of some sawhorses. Like, that's how, like, deep I got into like, here's how to build everything you need. I don't want history is a must. Yeah, like I don't want any freaking excuses anymore. Like I have zero experience with this and Theoretically my game will be flipping in like two weeks Just to preface this I've only put 25 hours into this game That's it and the game will be flipping I seem like I've watched 25 hours of of streaming building this game. Yes. No Just about Wow, do you feel at this point like pretty confident? You could streamline that process to maybe down to 15 hours? I mean, with the learning curve that you're overcoming? Well, no. I would spend a hell of a lot more time on a layout. Okay. That makes sense. I'd spend a lot more time trying to figure stuff out, because we're just pushing through. We're just like, I want to get this done, to have a pinball machine that works, to show you how to build one, and then you could spend all the time you want on each one of those steps. So what's the end game after the documentary? Is this something that will be at the Deadflip Studio? Will you take it to shows? Will people be able to flip on this? If the game doesn't completely suck, I will drag it around. I don't know, I've seen some pretty bad games come out. Oh gosh. Could you see it manufactured at some point with some tweaks? Is that an end game for you? I mean, maybe. Alright, alright. So would Jack Danger like to have his name on the designer portion of a play field of a game in the future? It's not what I set out to do, but I think it would be a cool experience. Another check box to mark off on my pinball adventure there. Jack Danger, streamer, pinball designer. The one game and it kinda sucked. But he made one. No, but I mean if that opens up an opportunity for you to kinda do something else as far as getting deeper into designing, I think that is pretty cool. I mean give... You've got all the right connections to get your game out there. Yeah, absolutely. Like, let Stern hire me to only do street level games for like contract games and stuff. What are your thoughts on the street level games? Because I think that TNA kinda brought street level back into being hip and trendy. That was a huge turning point. That game alone was a humongous turning point for people going like, oh, we don't need to spend like all this money. Like you don't need ramps. Ramps are expensive. You don't need all these habit trails. Habit trails are expensive. You don't need, you know. And no, I think Scott was onto something huge and he really changed like the mindset of like all these manufacturers on what can still be done. Well, you had Wonnelly, Big Juicy Melons, Dennis Nordman, and Greg Ferris. So that was another kind of modern day street level game. Just recently now, we've got Beatles, which is a tweak of the Sea Witch original design. And then now, we've seen two reskins of Wonnelly, one with Pabst Blue Ribbon, the Can Crusher, I love that game, with the Dirty Donny artwork package. And then now we are seeing the Zombietti Zoltron art package on Primus, which is reskinned of Wo Nelly again. Now the cool thing about Wo Nelly, and like people can complain all they want, but that game, if you can tell me you can put a giant score in that game, then you've proved me wrong. That game does not suck. And something that is cool is like if you get tired, let's say you own a can crusher, and you've owned it for a while, if you feel like you're getting tired of it, there's two too simple things you can do it to that game is take out those two posts in front of the little flippers and Replace the flippers with lightning flippers right once you do that. It becomes a completely different game now. That's pretty cool throw a power ball in there Yep Logan arcade here did that and people were like lining up to play that game. That's a great idea Yeah, so take the posts out on the tip of the flipper it allows the flippers to be a little longer longer Yep And then throw in the the power ball in there Which is like that lighter ceramic ball speeds it up and it's got to be lightning flippers because if you put in regular flippers transcribed bykea.com We got to hang out with them at DPO as well, or the programmer at least. Actually, no, I hung out with a couple of them at Dutch Pinball Open, but I also hung out with them at Expo. And that's a team of three, right, that put those out? And they had ten, I think, they had built? They opened that game for me and it was crazy to see what they built, because they built their own boards. Yeah. Everything's running off of a Raspberry Pi, I believe. Okay, that's interesting. It's nuts. The game presented better when I saw it at Pinball Expo than kind of the pictures that I had seen. Right. I wanted to play it, but ironically, I couldn't get on it because Roger Sharp was on it. Oh, well. So I mean, you know, you don't push Roger off of anything. You do not. You do not push Roger Sharp off of anything. But so it's just cool. I mean, you think in your opinion, then street level, is there a niche for that to make a permanent comeback? Or does it lend itself better to having an occasional street level release every few years? I think I think you could make a lot of cool street level games, especially now with the technology we have, and like adding an LCD to like, give more rules, give more ideas to like what can be done with those games. You are a little limited with like the variety of stuff you can do, you know, with just a flat leveled pinball machine. You know, there's only so many shots that can be done universally. So who knows, you know, if everything's been tapped, but without ramps obstructing your view of shots on the main playfield, though, it almost seems like it offers additional opportunities for shots and targets as a like a street level game that had a lower playfield could be cool. I was just going to recommend that. Yeah, because then it's like you've got a ranch with a walkout basement. There you go. I don't know what that means. Oh, it's a house. A ranch-style house, a single-level house with a walkout. You and your crazy house talk. Yeah, see, I'm in the suburbs here, so I got to talk about houses. With your Whitewood, though, I think at one point you kind of asked the internet for ideas for a theme. Have you themed this yet? Have you come up with a way to do it? I have an artist who is an avid watcher of the show. He's a concept artist for Amazon who is doing some art for it right now. I don't want to say the theme, but we, uh, you know, a lot of people gave a lot of great ideas and I think we're going to go with something original instead of something licensed, just so like, it's a fun little thing that we made. Yeah. Art art's important, but I don't want to spend too much time on it because that's again, a thing that you could spend all the time you want on it. We just need to make the game. So art is almost like not a, not an important part of the process of building this thing. Sure. To show you how to build one, but we would like to cover how to get that art onto the play field. It's funny because I think a lot of people, they have a theme in their mind first and then they want to build a machine around the theme, whereas you're just kind of building something that's functioning and then implementing the theme later. The theme after the fact, yeah. Which makes sense too. It's kind of cool. Just two ways to approach it. I mean, I think the forerunner theme that people wanted was a Beetlejuice theme and I was like, that'd be kind of cool. That would be kind of cool. But I think Beetlejuice needs a whole giant like super deluxe pinball machine for a theme like that. Yeah. Okay. Anyway. I'm building a game guys. It's gonna be great. So when can we expect? I imagine it's gonna be a lot of editing for the final documentary. Oh, yeah Do you have an idea in your head when you think this will be kind of a one neat package where somebody can sit down and watch a tutorial and how long do you think it'll be when it's all finally? So we're at a stopping block right now until I can get my hands on the cabinet and A few more parts that I need. I need the Metallica three bank Drop target assembly. Okay for something we're building Andy W. ≫ All right, so that will be fun actually. I'm starting to notice more and more now, a lot more homebrew coming into the public. I think it's always been there, it's just like there wasn't, like as phones get better and cell networks get better and people want to capture that kind of stuff and show that kind of stuff off, I think it's just becoming more apparent that these projects are out There are a lot of people that are starting up too, which is great, because of that exposure that they're seeing like, oh, I too can play the game. Yeah. Well, and there are companies now like American Pinball, and they're saying, hey, we're considering setting up a complete third line of manufacturing that can accommodate your homebrew design. So, I mean, it's just kind of, there are opportunities out there now that didn't really present themselves earlier. Scott Danesi, Jean-Paul De Win, Flip N Out Pinball Podcast, INDISC. I'll be making the actual new Bill and Ted's pinball machine. There's nothing wrong with that. Just to screw with everybody. So, I need you now, if you don't mind, just take a couple minutes and let's talk about all the secrets, you know, from all the manufacturers that you work with. Got it. Okay, so there's a third Ghostbusters machine coming out. Oh. I mean a second and a third. Okay. Shit. That's all right. That's all I know. All right. So, are you under a little lock and key with just about everybody, I would assume, right? Michael E trauma was telling surface you know, thank you for somebody who isn't so certain myself and Don Juan really surprise Why would we want to take credit for a reveal? I respect that. Yeah, I respect that. So, and I respect what you're doing too. Oh, thanks buddy. What else is going on, man? What do you want to talk about? We had what? What just happened here recently? Oh God. Oh, Primus. Oh yeah. So Primus. You've seen Primus, right? I was actually in the promo video that you may have seen on the internet. Yeah. It's huge. I got to see that game and then the other Stern game coming out. Ooh wee. But yeah, Primus is pretty cool, man. It's very loud, which is great. Something that Primus wanted was they wanted a guarantee that they were going to get a nicer sound system coming out of that. So the game is like screaming at you. Is it a Kenwood sound package or something in that game? I heard that. I think I saw on the sheet. Yeah, I'm not sure what they put in. There's some upgraded sound package. They blew it up. They put a lot in there. The artwork is just out of control. It's psychedelic trippy, for sure. But yeah, it's... Remember when you have a river of cheese going through the middle of the playfield? You have to ask yourself, what was going on during that creative process? Yeah, man. It's a fun game. It's beautiful. Green's my favorite color and that thing's just screaming green. It is. Do you, I mean, do you find that, it is a Wonelly re-theme. Yeah. Do you find that the art package offers you a completely different kind of way that you're able to enjoy the pinball machine? Or is it still like same at the roost and it's just, you're slapping something on something? That game, that game is so hard. Yeah. I'm not going to walk up and destroy that layout, right? You're game. So yeah, it's just the music brings you into a whole new sort of atmosphere of like playing that machine. Like PBR Can Crusher was awesome, but I felt like the music was never loud enough wherever I was to like really hear what was going on. Sure. Yeah, I got it. Because when that thing's at a bar, it sort of gets drawn out by like the always loud Twilight Zone, or the always loud, you know, Star Trek The Next Generation. Yeah, and Cancrusher just looks like a rock pinball, you know? Yeah. But with these updated speakers, man, this thing's gonna be screaming, so. Very good. Yeah, buddy. What's your favorite pinball machine that you're playing right now, or a handful of your favorites? Batman 66. So, new code right there at 1.0 now, huh? Yeah, it's pretty cool. That game, I'd say for the last couple months, has been my favorite game to play. Stern generously lent me one of those to keep at my studio. I don't know why they did that. Well, why not? I mean, you're going to stream it, so. But every code update, I put like an unimaginable score on that damn thing and post it for everyone to go like, put the frickin' glass back on, dude. Yeah. It's live, man. You can watch me. You can go back and watch me do this. Right. But I like the game now that it's sort of, there's strategies now to it. It's like, okay, in my mind, the major villains don't mean shit in that game. It's all minor villains. Okay. So, starting a major villain, ignoring all of its shots, hit the TV targets, go up top, beat Bookworm, beat Mr. Freeze, and then beat, like, Mad Hatter, and then you can play Shame all day, and you will put up a score that you can't possibly imagine. Okay. It's great. Yeah. Anything you don't like about Batman 66? Anything you would change? I would like the Super Ellie instead of the premium that I have. No, I thank you Stern for everything you do for me. No, I think the game's perfect. Great theme integration. I think people were complaining when it first came out that it was too open. But man, it like, again, that game will shit on you if it wants to shit on you. I think it's a fun shooter. Like those ramps are so clean on that game. The orbit on the left, which looks so tight, but because it has such a nice long lead in, super smooth shooting that thing. So good. What do you think of Deadpool I not a tournament player Okay Okay But I just having fun with the way that it shoots It flowy You know I got one little gripe or two about kind of the way the geometry is set up on certain things But all in all, I think the sound package is awesome. The design is awesome. And the code is super fun. They came up with some, like, unique songs for the game. Yeah. Jerry Thompson did a really good job with everything. I think the shots are freaking awesome on that game. There was a bug where you could short plunge the chimichanga truck all day. Oh, see? And blow it up. Nice. I mean, I was at Stern and told Tanyo about that. He's like, oh, okay. Yeah, he took it away. He's like, I'll be right back. Goes to the bathroom, comes out with a coat up his... I'm sorry, tournament players. But no, I like it, man. I think the shots are pretty cool. The game, I feel, operates better if it's set at the seven degree level mark. Okay. Because at that mark, every shot just like flows like butter. Okay. I did notice that that it was very picky, finicky. You had to set it up or else you're not going to be able to complete that shot that goes to the right and goes up to the left. The Katana ramp thing? Yeah. It was like 50% for me if it wasn't at 7%. But once you get it, it's nothing to just crank those legs up in the back a little bit. Yeah, right. Just drop the front legs down. Other than that, yeah, I think the shots are great. The only thing I could think of that is tough is that snicked shot to get your playfield multipliers. That is tough. I saw somebody went under the playfield and they actually were able to angle the target a little more facing the flippers by loosening the screws and retightening it. And I guess it kind of makes that shot a little bit easier. What I saw was on location that target was getting hit on the side a little bit and sort of moving it. So it was... Which puts it in a weird place. Yeah. But you can... Yeah, I saw that angling video which was pretty cool. But the... I mean when you make that shot you feel like a million bucks. Yeah, right. But it's tough to shoot. I never make it on purpose. Now, Keith Elwin can make it on purpose all day, and I watched him do it. Yeah. That's amazing. I don't understand the high coordination with Keith Elwin or Zach Sharp. Yeah. I mean, those guys are ... But you're pretty impressive yourself, man. You don't mess around. I see you sit down and blow machines up all day long. I play pinball literally every single day. So if I wasn't getting good, I should discover a new career choice. Well, no. You just got to keep everybody entertained while you're getting better at pinball. That's it. Yeah. Usually wrist injuries come from something else, so I find it fascinating that you've got a right... Now, why is it not the left flipper? Um... Is it... are you right flipper dominant? I think it's, uh... Are you always dead flipping to the right? I think it's the bang backs I used to show back in the day that were screwing up my wrist. Don't do bang backs, internet. It's bad for you and the game. It's frickin' terrible. What's a bang back? Oh... Oh my god. Where you... with the nudge? The... so, when the ball dress out... drains out the left out lane... Yeah. and it's rolling down towards the drain where the playfield locks into the cabinet. You want to kind of know where that ball is, lift the left flipper up and with your right palm hit right where those two things are locked in and the ball will jump right back into play. That's awesome. You will F up your wrist, you will get kicked out of the bar, you will freaking, everyone will hate you, don't ever do it. The only thing worse is what, like a slam tilt? Yeah, or a cough and drop picking up the game. We're at the rage tilt, right? Super douchebag. Yeah. There's no reason to be angry at a pinball machine. It's a fricking toy. I've seen you get pretty mad at them. I've never seen you abuse them. No, I will get super angry when a game- Respectfully pissed off. Absolutely craps on me. Yeah. When I'm like, this is going to be the biggest score anyone's ever seen. One shot, here we go. Oh, yeah. And then the dumbest thing happens. You're like, I'm freaking unplugging this machine. I was watching one of your clips of the month and you're playing Star Wars. You had like four or five billion up and you drained and you're like, please tell me I drained in time. Please tell me. And then it launches back out for the save, only to go right down the drain. And you're like, oh man, that is so fun. That is a drain unique to that game. Yeah, it is. It's the plunge right to the left outline. Yep. I love it. Yep. Well, it kills me. I had that game for a long time, and I liked that game a lot too, but yeah, that was a little bit tough. All right, Jack, so with your busy, ridiculous schedule, what do you have coming up next for us? So I'm almost done traveling. There is a big press release, like big press event happening in New York at Modern Pinball. Stern is doing this big thing for the Beatles machine at Modern, open to the press. I don't know if it's open to the public. I'm not too certain on what's going on with that. A guy named Cousin Brucey's gonna be there. Cool. Famous radio DJ who announced the Beatles once back in the day. Oh, okay. So that makes sense. I see the tie-in. Yeah, exactly. All that stuff. Plus Jack Danger will be there. Right. But I will be live streaming that event. It's the 30th at 4 p.m. Eastern. So tune in for that. It's going to be pretty cool. This month, November? Oh yeah. No. Yes. Oh, Friday. Yeah. Crap. In a few days. Yeah. Oh, okay. So this week? All right. Yeah. So hopefully this will be up by then. Oh, this will be up on tonight. Oh, dude! So we're doing this on Sunday? It's going up on Sunday, baby. 8 episodes in 3 days. Or no, shit, 3 episodes in 8 days. Wow, that's a lot of episodes. We're trying to get it at 100, Mark. And then I believe I'm going to CES, which is in January, on behalf of Stern to just pump up the... The next release, right? I don't know if it's the next game or if it's just the Beatles and like all their machines and stuff. Okay. Because the rumor on the street is that there's another one on the horizon, so I know you can't speak to that. I'm not going to ask you. I'm not going to look you in the eye. I'm not going to look for a tell. I will say this, I'm excited about it. He's actually not looking me in the eye. No, and I'm hoping to jump in on that. So I have been curious about the release time on that. Yeah, and I've never been to CES, which is cool that they asked me to go, but as their ambassador, I am the person that's supposed to be... Stern is trying to push me more and more into the front of the camera for their company to like speak to news outlets, to like explain what's going on, to hype up people. Gary, I love you, but I'm coming for your job, dude. Right. Doug Skora and Jack Danger are now taking over Gary Stern. You know what? Gary will probably end up doing podcasts at some point. Oh, I hope. You know what? I'll trade off. Gary can do my show. He's been on my show once before and it was one of the most viewed things at that point. I imagine so. He drank me under the table. Now, Gary's a vodka drinker, correct? Yeah. I had to buy him a bottle of Stoli. Stoli? But it had to be, what is it? The Russian Stoli, which isn't made anymore. Oh, so it's like some rare... Oh, it's fancy. So he's not like a Grey Goose or... No. ... Belvedere guy. And I tried to go one-to-one with him, and then at the end of the stream, he's like, I'm gonna take you out to dinner. But I was like seeing quadruple. You're like, okay, okay, okay. I just have flashes of Gary Stern reaching across the table, cutting up a fish for me so that I could eat it. And I'm like, this is... You are... You're babysitting me right now. Dude, nothing says wild pinball night like Gary Stern reaching over the table to cut I'm sorry, I just brought up a fish for you because you had a little bit too much fun prior. He was feeding me that night. He was feeding me some fish. It was pretty good. That's awesome. Anyway. Was there any other missing time where you woke up in a crazy... Yes. The most intoxicated I've ever been on stream, I don't remember the stream at all, but I drank three full bottles of red wine out of the bottle. And the next day, I woke up underneath whatever pinball machine I was streaming with a hangover The stream apparently was still running or something. And it was the people that are original viewers of that show love to tell that story. They're like, man, you woke up and we're like, what the frick is going on? That's awesome, man. So you're passed out under a pinball machine. I'm just done. The stream's going. Yep. And then you... I think there might have been a shot of like maybe my feet at the very bottom of the player camera. You emerged from your pinball grave to... Nine hours later, you can hear bottles clanking around. Can some... Was that not archived, Jack? Where is that? I'm almost certain all of those streams that I do where things get a little too out of control are deleted, but... That is hilarious. That was also before clips existed, so there's no memory of that anymore. That's the kind of stuff you can expect on occasion to see on Jack Danger's dead flip stream. And the stuff that needs to be deleted if I'm going to be mayor of Chicago. Does that? Yeah, right. Or head president of Stern. Yeah, let's go. But I think it's important to talk about how a Prime membership can give a free subscription to your channel that ultimately helps to benefit you and your channels. You know, yeah, totally. So Twitch is owned by Amazon and Amazon worked into their prime account like you pay for this and you get all these cool benefits. But something you may not know is if you set up a Twitch account, you know, just go to Twitch, type in any frickin name like pin a holic daddy, whatever you want to call it, and then you can connect your Twitch account to your Amazon Prime account. It really takes like five minutes to do this whole thing. Yeah, but you get all these cool benefits. But the coolest benefit of all is you get to Every 30 days, subscribe to your favorite streamer, Dead Flip, and it gives me $5 a month, but it costs you nothing. Right. And you get all the benefits of being a subscriber to that channel as if you paid that money. It makes perfect sense. So you get these cool emotes that you get to share with everybody. You don't watch ads on my channel. You don't get timed out when I'm slowing everything down because people are being idiots. Just like all this cool stuff. You're going to stream Monday, right? Yeah. Which would be tomorrow, probably today for a lot of people that are listening to this podcast and commute to work. So this is what I'm going to do because I've got an Amazon Prime account. So what I want to do is Monday when you fire up the stream, I'm going to link my Amazon Prime account to your Twitch channel and just see how it works. And then I'm just going to upload on the page that I did it and hopefully remind people to encourage them to do the same because that'd be fun. That's awesome. There's also a link in my chat that I can give you. For sure. It's just something you can click and it just helps it to easily link the two accounts together. Oh yeah. Can we just post that on our Facebook? Yeah, I'll give that to you. Yeah, okay, perfect. All right, good. Easy enough. All right, so we're all subscribing with our Amazon prize to Dead Flip tomorrow. So you can probably retire from the Stern job. I like it. That'll never happen. So where else can they get ahold of you? You have Facebook, right? Yeah, I'm verified on Facebook. You can give me a holler there. We're on Twitter. We're on Instagram. We're on Reddit. We're on Facebook. We're on Twitter. I'm freaking you name it. Just type dead flip into Google and you'll find every source of information. And if you really need to talk to me, I'm very responsive on Facebook. Um, you can private message me on, I think Twitter is open to everybody. I'm not sure. But deadflip.com, uh, we'll have everything, including these animated gifts I made to show you every single pinball maneuver and how to practice them. Those are cool. Yep. I've seen those and it'll have a contact form there if you need to holler at us. That's pretty awesome. Subtitles provided by Caption illnesses. This podcast is an tangent to something that lately involves more Heute Ugh What's next for the Yankees. Thephemesis. Of course Anonymous Nous More Love We just need more. We need a lot more at weird times. I would love some like super foreign late night stuff going on so I had stuff to watch at like 1 in the morning. I think we should all get hammered and sleep under our pinball machines and just keep the strings going forever so that there's always somebody either playing or sleeping under a pinball. Well Twitch frowns upon that. That little red flag? Yeah. Oh, that's so funny. So what I was going to ask you though, when we get set up here, I'd love to have you back out and maybe just give us some pointers on what the hell we're doing because it's all foreign to us. There's tiny little nuances to like messing with your equipment to make them super gorgeous. Like I helped Scott Danesi with like his camera. It takes like two seconds but it's stuff you don't know. And you've got a really nice kind of tutorial set up for those that are getting like a noob kind of... On deadflip.com, there's a whole list of like how to stream but there's one more video coming out that shows you absolutely how to set it up from A to Z. So that you can follow along, plug this into that, adjust this setting, do this, do that, everything's gonna look gorgeous, your stream shouldn't look any less than mine does. That's cool man. Yeah. That's cool. What's next in pinball streaming? We've seen it come a long way just with the quality of gear and camera angles, microphones. Is there something else that's cutting edge that you think is on the horizon? How does streaming evolve as pinball machines are evolving? Something that I recently worked on with Karl DeAngelo who helped me sort of figure this preferably get my D ngày I to week to to I'm gonna give you a little feedback, man. Can somebody contact Jack Danger that's decent at editing and is faithful to watch these streams and to just get everything in one? I will let you have all of the revenue from the YouTube videos and maybe I'll kick you a few bucks. That's awesome. I need your help. But having a roving camera person is something that I've always wanted and I could never find someone that's time dedicated the way I am to do my show every day. When you say roving camera person, what does that mean? We recently launched a Chinese shipping service called Cat Remote International, meaning devices for touring your country, driving to or from land, rolling around the U.S. in I think it works incredibly well for moving around, but it is a little finicky. Well, sure. But I mean, just like anything else, you were able to iron out a lot of kinks with your streaming rig. And right now, it's firing on all cylinders. Yeah. And even though I've put a lot of money into the stream, I haven't spent a lot of money in one lump sum. This has been a slow build from where we started. And once I make a crap load of money, I can invest in a much nicer remote setup and better I'm a fan of your stuff, but as it is right now, it works great. I need someone to walk around with a cell phone behind me. So if you folks have nothing to do between 6 and I'm too drunk to put my cameras away in Chicago, come freaking help me. That's awesome. Bring your MyPillow in case you're sleeping under a theater of magic. You have a room to stay in, aka under my pinball machines in the studio. Dude, I would guarantee that there's somebody out there right now that's like, this is exactly what I would love to do. You know, I want an intern from Columbia College who's into like video and weird art pieces and just write this off as like, I get school credit for this. Like an internship? Yes. Yeah. That would be unbelievable, man. Actually, I think it's time to kind of, okay, we're going to holler at Columbia. Yeah, let's figure it out. Well, I don't need to figure it out. I'm just happy that an idea like brought itself to the question. Yeah, Ken, figure this out for me if you could. There we go. Right. We're going to pause for station identification. But yeah, no, that's exciting, man. That sounds fun. Listen, if I wasn't married with three kids, I'd be getting hammered with you down in Chicago. I'd be filming everything I could. I would love it. I'd be your Robin to Batman here. I need it. I need an Andy Richter, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah, you need somebody to come up. So, all right. We're going to do it. Come on, Special Win Lit Pinball Podcast listeners. Help me. Let's go. All right. Well, brother, thanks for having me. This has been a blast. Yeah. No, it was a really good time, man. I hope you get home safe. It looks like the snow might just about be starting. Oh, frick. Yeah. So we'll get this edited up and we'll get this uploaded tonight. Thanks, everybody, for listening to episode number 25 of the Special Win Lit Pinball Podcast. We're a quarter way to 100. My man. You can reach us on Facebook at Special When Lit Pinball Podcast and by email at SpecialWhenLitPinballPodcast at gmail.com. Follow us on Facebook because especially after this episode we're going to talk you through how you can get involved with Jack Danger and his dead flip pinball trade. Jack anything to say in closing here before we shut this baby down? Did you know you could subscribe to your favorite streamer every 30 days with Amazon Prime? And what's your favorite podcast Jack Danger? That would be Special When Lit Podcast. Thanks buddy I appreciate that. Thank you so much for having me. Thanks for listening. And dude, congratulations on this podcast. It's been fricking awesome to listen to. I appreciate it. Thanks for coming out, man. It means a lot that you trust us enough. So hey, for Jack Danger, I am Ken Cromwell. Bill Webb, we missed you today. Bye, Bill. Don't forget to take some time out of your day and play some pinball. So long, everybody. The Special When Lit Pinball Podcast is sponsored by Two Brothers Artisan Brewing, makers of Pinball Pale Ale. You're passionate about all things pinball and great tasting craft beer. Two Brothers Artisan Brewing is a firm believer in pursuing your passions. For over 20 years, Two Brothers has had an unparalleled passion for their craft, their customers, and their community. 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