# Episode 973: "Kaneda's 6-Month Challenge to Everyone"

**Source:** Kaneda's Pinball Podcast (Patreon feed)  
**Type:** podcast_episode  
**Published:** 2024-07-08  
**Duration:** 21m 28s  
**Beat:** Pinball

**URL:** https://www.patreon.com/posts/episode-973-6-to-107746565

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## Analysis

Kaneda criticizes the unsustainable pricing and secondary market collapse in the limited edition pinball market, citing recent examples like John Wick LE losing $2,000+ in value immediately after purchase. He argues that current pricing structures are destroying collector investment security and advises the community to wait for price drops rather than buying new releases at inflated prices, while calling out the broader trend affecting games like Elton John, Foo Fighters, James Bond, and upcoming Pulp Fiction LE.

### Key Claims

- [HIGH] John Wick LE has already lost $2,000 in value and remains unsold at $11,000 despite multiple examples being on the market — _Kaneda citing current market listings and secondary market pricing_
- [HIGH] Only Jaws has held value among recent Stern LEs; Foo Fighters, James Bond, Venom, and John Wick have all depreciated significantly — _Kaneda's direct market observation and comparison of LE titles_
- [HIGH] Elton John CE is priced at $15,000 and Platinum at $12,500, making the total cost with taxes and shipping approach $16,000+ — _Kaneda citing Jersey Jack official pricing_
- [MEDIUM] Jersey Jack claims to have made all 1,000 Elton John Collectors Editions, but Kaneda expresses skepticism about this number — _Kaneda questioning Jersey Jack's disclosure practices and numbering inconsistencies_
- [MEDIUM] Pulp Fiction LE production will begin in September through November with approximately 1,000 units, flooding the market — _Kaneda citing 'latest on the street' information about upcoming Stern release_
- [HIGH] Pro version machines hold value better than Premium and LE versions due to unlimited production and lower initial cost — _Kaneda's direct market analysis and investment comparison_
- [MEDIUM] This is the biggest buyer's market in pinball history, making it ideal to wait and purchase machines at 30% discounts — _Kaneda's opinion based on current market dynamics and his '6-month challenge' investment strategy_

### Notable Quotes

> "If you order an LE and play it once and sell it for a multi-thousand dollar loss, something's wrong with you. Like literally, something is wrong with you."
> — **Kaneda**, Early segment
> _Core argument about the irrationality of LE purchasing at current prices_

> "now we're living in a completely upside down pinball marketplace you unbox the thing and it loses two to three thousand dollars"
> — **Kaneda**, Mid-segment
> _Illustrates the market inversion from pre-2020s when LEs gained value_

> "It's the biggest buyer's market in the history of pinball. If I'm a dealer, if I'm a distro, I'm as nervous as can be"
> — **Kaneda**, Late segment
> _Signals distro stress and identifies structural market disadvantage for operators/dealers_

> "Stop buying every single new game. It's not making your waistline thinner. It's not making you happier. It's not making your game room more impressive."
> — **Kaneda**, Closing section
> _Personal lifestyle critique framed as core messaging for the '6-month challenge'_

> "Wait, wait, wait while you get in shape, shape, shape and we're all gonna feel so much better."
> — **Kaneda**, Final segment
> _Kaneda's new catchphrase encapsulating his investment and lifestyle challenge_

> "Game number one should be game number one and game number 1000 should be the last arcade game off the line. I just don't get it, right?"
> — **Kaneda**, Mid-segment
> _Criticism of Jersey Jack's opaque production numbering practices_

> "if you don't need a game, even in the first six months to a year that it's out, I'm gonna have significant savings on every single title"
> — **Kaneda**, Mid-to-late segment
> _Core thesis: waiting guarantees financial gain across all recent titles_

### Entities

| Name | Type | Context |
|------|------|---------|
| Kaneda | person | Host of Kaneda's Pinball Podcast; pinball industry analyst and commentator; primary speaker throughout episode |
| Donald Garrison | person | Community figure mentioned as having purchased John Wick LE for $13,000 and watching it lose $2,000 in value; associated with We Are Pinball podcast |
| John Wick (Stern) | game | Recent Stern LE; priced at $13,000 at launch; examples now selling for $11,000 with minimal play; cited as prime example of market collapse |
| Elton John (Jersey Jack) | game | Jersey Jack Collectors Edition at $15,000 and Platinum at $12,500; praised as best-shooting Jersey Jack game; been on market 8 months; market showing slight stabilization but early depreciation signals |
| Pulp Fiction LE (Stern) | game | Upcoming Stern LE; production scheduled September-November; approximately 1,000 units planned; expected to follow depreciation pattern of other recent LEs |
| Foo Fighters (Stern) | game | Recent Stern LE cited as having experienced significant depreciation similar to John Wick |
| James Bond (Stern) | game | Recent Stern LE cited as having experienced significant depreciation similar to John Wick |
| Venom (Stern) | game | Recent Stern LE cited as having experienced significant depreciation similar to John Wick |
| Jaws (Stern) | game | Only recent Stern LE that has held value; has not gained value but has not depreciated as severely as other titles |
| Jersey Jack Pinball | company | Manufacturer of Elton John; criticized for opaque production numbering and lack of disclosure about actual unit quantities produced |
| Stern Pinball | company | Major manufacturer releasing John Wick LE, Pulp Fiction LE, and other recent titles experiencing market depreciation |
| Seth Davis | person | Industry figure mentioned as profiting from buy-now mentality; described as opposing Kaneda's wait-and-save strategy |
| Jack Danger | person | Pinball designer; mentioned as having an upcoming game that distros may be banking on |
| Ben Heck | person | Pinball designer/engineer; mentioned in passing as part of podcast sponsorship joke with 'Ed' |
| Ed | person | Patreon club member referenced in joke about earning $5/month per Ben Heck theme song mention |

### Topics

- **Primary:** Secondary market pricing collapse for limited edition pinballs, Unsustainable pricing structure for new releases (Pro vs. Premium vs. LE tiers), Investment dynamics: why Pro versions hold value better than LEs, Kaneda's 6-month waiting strategy and lifestyle challenge (fitness + delayed purchases)
- **Secondary:** Jersey Jack production transparency and serial numbering practices, Distro and dealer nervous about unsold LE inventory and losses, Comparison to pre-2020s LE market when games appreciated in value, Upcoming Pulp Fiction LE production timeline and expected market saturation

### Sentiment

**Negative** (-0.78) — Kaneda is frustrated and critical throughout, expressing strong disapproval of current market practices, pricing structures, and consumer behavior. However, tone becomes encouraging and motivational toward the end with the '6-month challenge' framing (wait + get fit). Mixed frustration/hope sentiment overall.

### Signals

- **[market_signal]** John Wick LE dropping $2,000+ immediately post-launch and remaining unsold at $11,000; broader pattern across Foo Fighters, James Bond, Venom all experiencing significant depreciation (confidence: high) — Direct market listings observed by Kaneda; multiple examples cited with specific price points
- **[product_concern]** LE pricing ($13k-$15k+) with taxes/shipping approaching $16k+ is unsustainable; collectors losing $2-$3k per machine; creates financial disincentive to purchase at launch (confidence: high) — Kaneda's calculation of total out-of-pocket costs and comparison to historical returns
- **[business_signal]** Distributors and dealers holding unsold LE inventory facing major losses; incentive structure now favors Pro purchasers (unlimited production, lower initial cost) over LE buyers (limited, high price, high depreciation) (confidence: high) — Kaneda's analysis of distro position holding John Wick LEs that won't sell and the investment loss cascade
- **[market_signal]** Current market is described as 'biggest buyer's market in pinball history'; 6-month waiting strategy yields approximately 30% discounts on recent LE releases (confidence: medium) — Kaneda's direct market observation and pricing comparisons between launch and secondary market
- **[regulatory_signal]** Tax and shipping costs significantly impact effective purchase price for collectors; Kaneda notes many buyers must pay these on LEs, pushing total cost above $16k in some cases (confidence: medium) — Kaneda's calculation of Elton John CE total cost including taxes and shipping
- **[sentiment_shift]** Shift from FOMO-driven launch purchases to recognition that immediate purchase is financially irrational; community sentiment moving toward skepticism of LE value proposition (confidence: medium) — Kaneda's repeated emphasis on waiting and his characterization of immediate LE purchasers as making poor financial decisions
- **[product_launch]** Pulp Fiction LE production scheduled for September through November with approximately 1,000 units planned (confidence: medium) — Kaneda citing 'latest on the street' information about production window and unit count
- **[manufacturing_signal]** Jersey Jack's serial numbering system does not reflect actual production order; plaques are shuffled, causing game number to have no significance in determining production sequence (confidence: high) — Kaneda's detailed criticism of Jersey Jack's practice of numbering games out of order and his request for sequential numbering
- **[operational_signal]** Dealers and distros holding speculative inventory of new LEs face extended holding periods and greater-than-anticipated losses as games sit unsold (confidence: high) — Kaneda's scenario analysis of distro holding 15 John Wick LEs and facing either long hold or significant loss
- **[community_signal]** Kaneda's 6-month challenge reframes pinball collecting as part of broader lifestyle (fitness, delayed gratification, patient capital) rather than impulse-driven FOMO consumption (confidence: medium) — Kaneda's closing messaging about gym membership, body health, and waiting for deals with 'wad of cash'
- **[competitive_signal]** Pro version machines now represent safer investment due to unlimited production and lower entry cost; LE/Premium tier pricing and depreciation makes Pro the dominant economic choice (confidence: high) — Kaneda's observation that 'the people that buy the cheapest version that has the most unlimited amounts those people have the most secure investment'
- **[machine_intel]** Confirmation that Pulp Fiction LE is in development with specific production timeline (September-November) and expected unit count (approximately 1,000) (confidence: medium) — Kaneda citing street intel about production schedule and volume

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## Transcript

 Everybody's working for the weekend. Everybody wants a new romance. Sit up, sit up, sit up, sit up, sit up, sit up, sit up. Ah, Happy Monday everybody! Welcome to Kinnadus Pinball Podcast. Kinnadus Paternity Leave is over. I'm heading back to work today. I'm so happy. It is sunny out. It is Monday morning. And you're gonna get the most entertaining pinball podcast episode 970 something. We're gonna talk all about the fact that a John Wick LE has popped up for sale for $11,000 instantly. This new Stern LE has lost $2,000. What is that mean when you telegraph to 999 other buyers that they just lost $2000 on a cardboard box? How do you think they feel right now? How do you think Donald Garrison feels right now knowing he could have saved $2000 if he just waited? Where did therente of in 그러� standard I hope you don't cancel your subscription, but if you order in LE and play it once and sell it for a multi-thousand dollar loss, something's wrong with you. Like literally, something is wrong with you. This is where there's like starving people in the world where $2,000 could put a lot of food on someone's plate and you're so damn rich that you can order like pinballs in LE format. C BarMale and lose $2000 on one single play? Like what's wrong with you? These people act like, what are they running here? Some like, some bed and breakfast for new in box pinball machines? Every time something new comes out guys, it's coming through my house. I don't even care if I want it. You should see the amount of machines I go through on a monthly basis. And I'm like, whatever man, what a strange way to live. Now let's just talk about the fact that if this game has already lost $2,000 and it's lost more value than that and the reason I know that is it still has not sold. And just think about everyone else out there who ordered a John Wick LE for 13 grand and is watching this game sit unsold for $11,000 with just 29 plays on it. The game is not worth this much money and this is not sustainable and it's not just because it's John Wick. The same thing has happened to Foo Fighters, to James Bond, to Venom, to John Wick. Okay, so only Jaws is the only game that's held some value and even Jaws has not gone up in value. and everybody remember for the longest period of time every single hot and in demand le or collector's edition when you bought one it went up to two to three thousand dollars in value and now we're living in a completely upside down pinball marketplace you unbox the thing and it loses two to three thousand dollars so you think this hobby is going to survive new in box I mean this new in box sales you think they're going to survive much longer where people who buy three new in box Clues lose nine to $10,000 on their games because when you add up all those losses, that's the money they would use to buy the next new in box Ellie machine and you just can't sustain it like this. 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Trust me, as a grown adult, nobody wants to come over and see 35 pinball machines in a house. Three is enough. Three is more than enough pinball machines. I'm looking at my beautiful neighbors right now. I bet I've got the only pinball machine in town. Everybody, thank you for being a member of the Kinada Club and trust me, do this. Let's spend the next six months getting ourselves in the best shape of our lives and then we're gonna roll in the pinball shows with a wad of cash and buy anything we want for 30% cheaper. You know who doesn't want you to feel this way? Distros Dealers, Seth Davis, they want you to buy, buy, buy. No, wait, wait, wait and get in shape, shape, shape. That's gonna be the new Keneda line. Wait, wait, wait while you get in shape, shape, shape and we're all gonna feel so much better. Passing the good vibes over here from Connecticut on to each and every one of you. Thank you for being a club member. This show ain't stopping. I'm on caffeine. We're gonna crush it this week. And a moment of silence to Donald Garrison who just lost $2,000 instantly because he got Winded by the stained glass window of John Wick Ellie. Sorry bro, you should have followed your mentor's advice. Later. Subtitles by the Amara.org community

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