# The Pinball Show Ep 16: Pinball Mutant Ninja Podcasters: Craigonardo, Jonatello, Menyangelo, and Kriesael **Source:** The Pinball Show **Type:** podcast_episode **Published:** 2020-06-01 **Duration:** 88m 43s **Beat:** Pinball **URL:** https://www.thepinballnetwork.net/e/the-pinball-show-ep-16-pinball-mutant-ninja-podcasters-craigonardo-jonatello-menyangelo-and-kriesael/ --- ## Analysis The Pinball Show Episode 16 features hosts Zach Minnie and Dennis Creasel resolving community drama over Jack Guarneri's Twippy Award donation to Jack Bar arcade, interviewing John Ehrlich (Jack Bar owner) live on air to clarify misunderstandings. The episode covers major news including Stern's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles announcement, Jersey Jack's new factory in Elk Grove Village, American Pinball's Hot Wheels resuming production, Chicago Gaming Company's 3.0 Medieval Madness update and hiring of Butch Peel, and updates from Spooky/Haggis on Rick and Morty production. ### Key Claims - [HIGH] Stern Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles was designed by John Borg with code by Dwight Sullivan and art by Zombie Yeti — _Craig Bobby's Stern News report explicitly attributes design, code, and art to these individuals_ - [HIGH] TMNT LE models sold out or near-sold-out within hours of official release; Premium and Pro models also selling better than expected — _Craig Bobby reporting distributor feedback immediately after launch_ - [HIGH] Stern issued cease and desist orders to fans and podcasters who posted leaked TMNT images before official release — _Craig Bobby's direct observation of legal action taken by Stern headquarters_ - [HIGH] Chicago Gaming Company hired Butch Peel as lead service engineer; Peel previously worked at Jersey Jack designing manuals and providing technical support — _Matt Morrison CGC update confirms hire and provides background_ - [HIGH] American Pinball has moved into new facility and resumed building Hot Wheels with shipping beginning in June — _Kaz/Brian Kosner American Pinball update cites Michael Grant and Joe Schober confirmation_ - [HIGH] TMNT leaked images circulated 24 hours before official Stern release — _Craig Bobby's account of leak timing relative to official announcement_ - [HIGH] Jack Bar has been open for 7 years (since 2013) and serves as a major pinball destination — _John Ehrlich (Jack Bar owner) direct statement during live interview_ - [HIGH] Jack Guarneri (Jersey Jack Pinball founder) donated his personal Twippy Award to John Ehrlich/Jack Bar for auction to support the arcade — _Confirmed through interview with John Ehrlich and Zach's market trends discussion_ ### Notable Quotes > "Turtle power takes over Stern. Hey everyone, Craig here again, the pinball show's Stern News Correspondent. Well, as it turns out, the rumors were true." > — **Craig Bobby**, ~55:00 > _Confirms TMNT announcement with dramatic delivery; validates prior rumors about the game_ > "I got you. I got a bunch of stuff... I probably have a play field and I have a, he's like, I can give you my Twippy a bitch of people go crazy for that." > — **Jack Guarneri**, ~27:30 > _John Ehrlich recounting Jack's immediate and generous response to donate Twippy Award; demonstrates his character and willingness to help_ > "The first person I reached out to, because I always know how reliable he is, is Jack. And I texted him and I said, Jack, any chance you'll donate some stuff for an auction I'm putting together to support Jack Barr? Jack called me. I'm not kidding. Ten seconds later, my phone rings." > — **John Ehrlich**, ~28:00 > _Establishes Jack Guarneri's consistent generosity and reliability within the pinball community_ > "Leaked images of the TMNT circled the internet a mere 24 hours before the official Stern images and videos were released to the public. The leaks also triggered a wave of cease and desist orders from Stern headquarters." > — **Craig Bobby**, ~57:30 > _Details the TMNT leak incident and Stern's aggressive legal response; highlights community/manufacturer tension over early information_ > "It's one of the destinations for pinball and for hanging out in NYC especially." > — **Zach Minnie**, ~31:00 > _Acknowledges Jack Bar's importance to the pinball community and NYC arcade scene_ > "Don't feel guilt about love." > — **Zach Minnie**, ~35:00 > _Encouraging John Ehrlich to accept community support without guilt during Jack Bar's financial crisis_ > "I should have worded that original post so differently because you're like I write it like I hear it in my head and when if I was talking to you face to face like or or or you know as we are right now or in person I would have been like why do you hate Jack Barr like totally tongue-in-cheek." > — **John Ehrlich**, ~23:00 > _John reflecting on how social media communication failures led to community drama and misinterpretation_ > "Many distributors were already reporting near or total sellouts of LE models only hours after the official release, with the premium and pros also selling much better than expected." > — **Craig Bobby**, ~57:00 > _Quantifies the strong commercial performance of TMNT across all price tiers immediately post-launch_ > "Butch Peel as lead service engineer. This went over very well on Pinside. Butch is known for working at Jersey Jack. He designed their manuals and was a huge help on the technical support side." > — **Matt Morrison**, ~38:00 > _Documents significant personnel move from JJP to CGC; Butch Peel's expertise in documentation and support is valuable to new employer_ > "there's also been speculation about the timing of the release of this video, seeing as it aligns directly with the release of Stern's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles." > — **Ken Rudberg**, ~48:00 > _Notes suspicious timing of Jersey Jack's teaser video release coinciding with TMNT launch; suggests potential competitive signaling_ ### Entities | Name | Type | Context | |------|------|---------| | Zach Minnie | person | Co-host of The Pinball Show; pinball distributor (Flippin' Out Pinball); experienced significant stress managing pre-orders during TMNT launch week | | Dennis Creasel | person | Co-host of The Pinball Show; helps moderate discussions and provide industry context | | John Ehrlich | person | Owner/operator of Jack Bar arcade in NYC; previously owned Reciprocal Skateboards (2007-2015); arcade in financial difficulty due to COVID-19 closures; organized fundraising via GoFundMe and eBay auction | | Jack Guarneri | person | Founder of Jersey Jack Pinball; donated personal Twippy Award to John Ehrlich for Jack Bar fundraising auction; known for generosity and supporting community members | | Jack Bar | organization | Pinball arcade venue in NYC; open since 2013; recognized as major pinball destination; currently experiencing financial hardship | | Stern Pinball | company | World's largest pinball manufacturer; announced Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles; issued cease and desist orders regarding leaked images; demonstrates strong IP leverage and sales performance | | Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (Stern) | game | Newly announced Stern pinball machine; designed by John Borg; code by Dwight Sullivan; art by Zombie Yeti; LE/Premium/Pro models sold out or near-sold-out within hours of launch; strong sales across all tiers | | John Borg | person | Pinball designer at Stern Pinball; designed Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles | | Dwight Sullivan | person | Programmer/code designer at Stern Pinball; provided code for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles | | Zombie Yeti | person | Artist at Stern Pinball; created art package for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles | | Chicago Gaming Company | company | Bally/Williams remake manufacturer; hired Butch Peel as lead service engineer; released Medieval Madness 3.0 code update | | Butch Peel | person | Former Jersey Jack Pinball employee; designed manuals and provided technical support at JJP; hired by CGC as lead service engineer | | American Pinball | company | Specialty pinball manufacturer; resumed Hot Wheels production in new facility; shipping to begin in June 2021 | | Jersey Jack Pinball | company | Pinball manufacturer; opened new factory in Elk Grove Village, Illinois; released teaser video hinting at new innovations (possibly WiFi connectivity or new title) | | Spooky Pinball | company | Pinball manufacturer; continuing Rick and Morty production; working on Alice Cooper game | | Jack Danger | person | Pinball community figure; engaged in contentious social media exchange with Zach Minnie regarding TMNT promotion; accused of harassment by Zach | | Craig Bobby | person | Correspondent for The Pinball Show; provides Stern news updates; previously made errors in Pinside Top 100 countdown | | Matt Morrison | person | Correspondent for Chicago Gaming Company; provides CGC updates on The Pinball Show | | Ken Rudberg | person | Correspondent providing Jersey Jack Pinball updates for The Pinball Show | | Twippy Awards | event | Pinball community awards; Jack Guarneri's Twippy Award was auctioned for significant sum to benefit Jack Bar | ### Topics - **Primary:** TMNT announcement, leak, and launch sales performance, Jack Bar arcade financial crisis and community fundraising, Social media drama and community conflict resolution - **Secondary:** Personnel moves in the pinball industry (Butch Peel to CGC), Manufacturer production updates (American Pinball, Spooky, Jersey Jack), Jersey Jack factory expansion and teaser announcements, Stern's aggressive IP protection and cease-and-desist strategy - **Mentioned:** Code updates and game improvements (Medieval Madness 3.0) ### Sentiment **Mixed** (0.55) — Positive sentiment regarding TMNT launch success, manufacturer updates, and community reconciliation between Zach/John. Negative sentiment regarding social media drama, Jack Bar's financial hardship, and Stern's aggressive legal response to leaks. Mixed regarding Jack Danger's behavior and ongoing tension in the community. ### Signals - **[business_signal]** Jersey Jack Pinball opened new factory in Elk Grove Village, Illinois; released teaser video hinting at new innovations with timing coinciding with TMNT launch (confidence: medium) — Ken Rudberg noted suspicious timing alignment; JJP posted factory photo with caption 'We look forward to showing you what's inside very soon.' Speculation suggests WiFi connectivity or new game title. - **[event_signal]** Stern Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles launch represents major industry event with rapid sell-through, IP strength validation, and strong distributor confidence (confidence: high) — Craig Bobby emphasizes Stern's track record: 'proving once again why the world's largest pinball company rarely misses with its industry-leading licenses.' - **[sentiment_shift]** Significant social media drama regarding Twippy Award donation to Jack Bar; Zach Minnie and John Ehrlich successfully reconciled on air; demonstrates both community toxicity and capacity for conflict resolution (confidence: high) — Episode documenting dispute resolution between Zach and John; John acknowledged overreaction to Zach's market trends commentary; both parties apologized and clarified intent. - **[community_signal]** Pinball community rallying to support Jack Bar during financial crisis through GoFundMe, eBay auctions, and merchandise sales; Jack Guarneri donating personal Twippy Award (confidence: high) — John Ehrlich details community response: GoFundMe raised one month's expenses; Twippy Award auction generated significant funds; merchandise sales ongoing via jackbarbk.com. - **[design_philosophy]** Spooky Pinball maintaining co-op mode design tradition; Dr. John notes co-op mode has been part of Spooky games since TNA and is 'much loved and appreciated,' now being implemented in Stern's TMNT (confidence: medium) — Dr. John: 'And a quick nod to Stern Pinball with their Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle co-op mode, which has been around since TNA in the Spooky Camp and is much loved and appreciated in those games.' - **[leak_detection]** TMNT images leaked 24 hours before official Stern release; leak triggered cease and desist orders from Stern to fans and podcasters (confidence: high) — Craig Bobby confirmed: 'Leaked images of the TMNT circled the internet a mere 24 hours before the official Stern images and videos were released to the public. The leaks also triggered a wave of cease and desist orders from Stern headquarters.' - **[market_signal]** TMNT immediate sell-out demonstrates continued market demand for premium Stern releases despite economic uncertainty from COVID-19 pandemic (confidence: high) — Zach Minnie reports overwhelming demand: 'I'm sitting here. My head's about to spin. I'm taking calls. I'm taking orders.' Distributors reporting sellouts within hours. - **[community_signal]** Jack Danger's aggressive social media behavior toward Zach Minnie during TMNT launch; Zach publicly requests end to harassment and requests professionalism (confidence: high) — Zach: 'If it doesn't as long as i continue to respect and support people i should be fine fingers crossed... I've asked before and I guess I'm asking here publicly again hopefully it'll stop with the harassment.' - **[personnel_signal]** Butch Peel hired by Chicago Gaming Company as lead service engineer; previously worked at Jersey Jack Pinball designing manuals and providing technical support (confidence: high) — Matt Morrison: 'CGC has hired Butch Peel as lead service engineer. This went over very well on Pinside. Butch is known for working at Jersey Jack.' - **[market_signal]** TMNT LE models sold out or near-sold-out within hours; Premium and Pro models exceeded sales expectations, indicating strong demand across all price tiers (confidence: high) — Craig Bobby: 'Many distributors were already reporting near or total sellouts of LE models only hours after the official release, with the premium and pros also selling much better than expected.' - **[product_strategy]** American Pinball Hot Wheels resuming production after facility move; shipping to begin in June 2021, indicating prior production halt (confidence: high) — Kaz/Brian Kosner: 'They have moved into their new facility and have resumed building Hot Wheels, and shipping begins in June.' - **[technology_signal]** Jersey Jack's teaser video suggests upcoming innovations; speculation includes WiFi connectivity or new game announcement; timing aligns with TMNT launch suggesting competitive response (confidence: medium) — Ken Rudberg: 'There's also been speculation about the timing of the release of this video, seeing as it aligns directly with the release of Stern's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.' --- ## Transcript The Pinball Network is online. Launching The Pinball Show. Pinball is a game of skill. For some, it's a passion and a lifestyle. It's time for The Pinball Show. It's pinball with personality. we've got one hell of a podcast ready for you guys today at the pinball show episode 16 we are your host zach minnie as well as my buddy dennis creasel dennis how's it hanging bud everything's good what are we going to talk about i wish there was some news oh finally we get news we're going to try to give them a nice quick digestible podcast this week are you okay with that yeah an aperitif what have you been up to? you got turtles on your mind? there's always a poodle in the world do you like turtles? I mean I've never had one as a pet really? I'm scared of them why? their mouths look like they could really hurt you they bite hard little jaws the snapping turtles in particular are vicious those things are ugly they got like an overbite with that little point I'm like oh it's like a puncture but it's great because even really little kids can learn to identify them versus other turtles, friendlier turtles. You only need a couple fingers, Billy. Oh, Dennis, I am supposed to relay a correction from last episode. Our friend and correspondent, Craig Bobby, wanted to submit a little message for you, okay? Mm-hmm. Oh, hey, Mr. Creasel, it's Craig Bobby here. Yeah, you know, the one that screwed up the Stern Pinside Top 100 the last two episodes. anyway I just wanted to quickly apologize for getting my countdown all turned around for a second time good news I was only three quarters of the way through the revised countdown before you tried to set me straight again for the second time but anyway my bad and I'll hopefully get this thing right yet thanks Mr. Creasel and I hope you have a great show this week oh and P.S. I'm also a huge fan of Toad so anyway thank you poor Craig he sounded so sad so sad see dennis i would still just give up on doing the top list i just think it's for the best we're moving out of the total lockdown period regarding covid so in my view we don't really need to go back and and bother with that he probably will have news he's got the turtles news obviously his support of toad is understandable toad is and will always be the best that is what Toad taught us, and that is what Toad knows. So, anyway, but I'm glad he has recognized that Sega was an important part of that stern pinball history. And we must celebrate it, even if Starship Troopers isn't everyone's favorite game. Now, you see, you both reached an understanding. Doesn't that feel good? Sorry, hit the wrong button there. Hold up. I'm having computer problems here. Wait, that's not on my end Trending down this week Craig Bobby Stern Pinside Top 100 Hey! Want to make a fun pinball countdown That's fun to listen to during a slow news week? Ho ho ho! Not so fast, smarty pants! Prepare for incoming torpedoes As Captain Denden sails the seven seas of Ney Destroying all fun countdowns in his wake hashtag shiver me timbers toad i guess being wrong doesn't matter anymore it's just it's just about the fun y'all just y'all just go have fun now go have fun it's okay it's okay we don't need to be accurate in pinball no one cares it's a fake hobby anyway dennis it's been a hell of a week man has it it sure has exciting last week we had turtles announced by stern pinball as we'll get into that was a big happening both as a hobbyist and a podcaster media person as well as a distributor so that was overwhelming at the same time going back and forth on facebook with individuals i wasn't even going forth i think i was just receiving but that was that was tough at times we had poor john at Jack Barr, he had maybe some issue with something that I trended last week. Did you hear that? I understood your perspective. I didn't agree with it. You just said, yeah. I articulated my stance on the episode, and I stand by my position. I still think my opinion was the right one. Is it, though? I don't know. Your opinion's always the right one. No, no. I get things wrong. I've changed my mind before on things. It's just, to me, it wasn't really a big deal. I figured I'd take the time really quick to clarify because if we make mistakes, we like to clarify on the next episode. So what went down, if you guys haven't listened to episode 15, is I trended down the idea that Jack Guarnieri from Jersey Jack Pinball giving away his Twippy Award for reasons. Did you trend it down or did you trend it up? I did trend it up. You're right. Correction on that correction. I trended it up, the value of it, because he was giving it to John from Jack Bar. And John was going to auction that off to help for funds to keep Jack Bar going in these difficult times, right? Yeah, that's my understanding. I didn't have any issue with Jack Bar. I didn't have any issue with John. Hell, if I was John, I said I would have done the same thing. You do anything to keep your business going, right? Maybe not anything, but Twippy, yeah, heck yeah, that'll bring you money. So no issue there. Never had any issue there. And I didn't. I mean, I was just questioning Jack Guarnieri. It didn't feel good to me. And I gave my reasons why. I was trying to offer another opinion, another alternate viewpoint for people to maybe consider. That's what I try to do here on the show. But John from Jack Bar, and I think I see his point, and that's why I wanted to bring it up real quick, Dennis. He got on Facebook and said, why do you hate Jack Bar? Why do you hate the Twippies? He was very upset. and that fueled some feedback. And then from that feedback, me and John have been talking and wanted to let the audience know that John and I are good. He said he overreacted. I could see where he comes from too, thinking that my statement on Jack Guarnieri has an effect on him. And for that, I sincerely apologize. I had no intention on Jack Barr being negatively affected by this. My apologies there. It did kind of hurt Dennis because when he put that post up, But people just assumed that I did say that I hated Jack Barter. Or they said that I was trying to take money out of this poor man's pockets. And I'm like, what the hell? I didn't say anything about Jack Barter. I just didn't like Jack when Eric given away a trophy. Sure, sure. But I can see why. I mean, not all of them, maybe not even most of them would bother to go and listen to the podcast and try and find the part where it was discussed. Oh, I know. Jeez. So, yeah, no, I could see why they'd get that. So that was a mess. So, listener, viewer, sorry about that. I'm not sorry for Market Trends because that segment is awesome. But sorry about if anybody listening thought that I was negatively going against Jack Barr. Totally not my intentions. That's why I did not make any statements suggesting on the podcast that Jack Barr was in the right. Nothing like that. Then the very next day, Turtles gets announced. Booyah! Oh, my gosh, Dennis. This thing. Everybody's going to have this. I'm sitting here. My head's about to spin. I'm taking calls. I'm taking orders. I'm emailing people. Are there people that actually want this game? Oh, trying to create ads. Like for the distro, I want to record this next time a big release comes out like this just to see what my day is like. It was hell. And then I check on Facebook, make a couple ads here and there. Hey, order yours now. Here's what we've got kind of thing. Then Jack Danger lost his damn mind with me on the thread that I'm trying to promote Stern Pinball products. It was one hell of a day. oh my poor wife i i did see that i did read through that thread on at least the one on pinball enthusiasts yeah wow i'm like what are you doing but what we're we're trying to promote and sell starring products dude what are you doing yeah so it seems like he's still after me yeah i mean i it wasn't professional i've asked before and i guess i'm asking here publicly again hopefully it'll stop with the harassment but if it doesn't as long as i continue to respect and support people i should be fine fingers crossed fingers crossed you should probably have uh offer john on on at some point maybe to talk about jack bar you know what dennis that is one hell of an idea let's do that now on the phone live right now is the owner operator of jack bar himself it's john Ehrlich. John, did I mess up your last name at all? No, you got it right. Thanks for coming on. I wanted to appreciate your time today. I thought, you know what, we've been chatting back and forth and we have a lot in common and it seems like we'd be really really good friends. So I thought, you know what, it sounds like we had a bit of a disagreement there and there was some flames and some fire from every which way. Some not even from us. So are you the owner operator of jack bar i am how long has jack bar been opening jack bar has been open for seven years 2013 we opened and it was kind of a spin-off of another not so much as of a spin-off but we had i had owned a skateboard shop in new york from 2007 until 2015 called reciprocal skateboards which a lot of pinballers would remember because it was a skate shop pinball arcade slash seven years and we hear the greatest things about jack bar especially i mean it's one of the pinball destinations not only in the country but the world people talk about jack bar so it shocked me and i was surprised to get some of the feedback that i got in reference to episode 15 of the pinball show but after taking a 20 000 foot view i thought okay i yeah i get why some people were upset. So essentially, listeners, you guys know that what happened was on episode 15, I made a strong take, as I typically do. I was having fun in pinball market trends, but a strong take about something that I didn't agree with on Jack Guarnieri, the founder of Jersey Jack Pinball. He made a decision I didn't agree with, and I was pretty verbal and vocal about that. As a result, people interpreted it a different way, and that was likely because I wasn't the clearest about how I was presenting that. John from Jack Bar was the recipient of this Twipio Award, and this was going to be very beneficial to the Jack Bar cause of doing an auction and raising some money to keep your establishment going, which I praise. I just didn't get a chance to praise it on the podcast. I should have took time to do that, so for that I apologize. But tell us a little bit about your take on this whenever you had to hear my loud mouth talking about all of this stuff going down. Well, I heard about it for the first time when I was, I guess you posted it, I guess you post on a Sunday. And then I guess I saw your post about it shortly after, as I was scrolling through my newsfeed. And the title of it said, I don't give a way of an eBay auction. I knew that it had to be about us. And it was news to me. So obviously I listened. and I was dying to hear the take on that because I know it's a very odd thing to have auctioned off. So I figured, you know, maybe there could be more than one view on that. I was obviously hopeful that your view was that you supported it. And I listened. And honestly, what I heard when I listened to it was Jack had no right to give the Twippy to Jack Barr. Jack Bauer had no right to auction the Twippy. It doesn't belong to Jack. It belongs to the team. And I disagree with the entire thing. That's my summary of what I heard. Before I wrote that post, I wrote Jack. And I was like, hey, did you hear this podcast? And he listened and was none too happy. I imagine. And I'll be honest, Zach, when I wrote that post, I mean, my blood wasn't boiling. I was upset, you know. And I'm like you. Like I said in the post, or at least in the comment the next day, I'm a passionate guy, too. I'm known for being outspoken. Well, it makes you successful, like, yeah. Yeah, I respect that you are outspoken. It's the kind of thing that makes me want to listen to you. And quite frankly, that's the kind of people I associate with outside of my professional life. Passionate people. Yeah, I love it. To catch the listener up, John's referring to a post that you put on Facebook just to discuss it a little bit further, you know, tagging me saying, Zach, what basically what the hell is going on? Like, why are you why are you throwing everybody under the bus? This doesn't feel good. I'm just trying to save my establishment that I love and cherish. Why would you be doing this kind of thing? And it picked up a lot of comments. Yeah. I mean, the way I worded it and I really wanted to say this to you. um the way i wrote that post and this is the problem with facebook or really any social media or or writing in general even if it's just over text is that things get lost in translation of course yeah so when i wrote that the way i worded was why do you hate jack bar why do you hate the twippies why do you hate jack blah blah blah and i went on a rant and i purposely worded it that way because it was partially tongue-in-cheek to get your attention. You know what I mean? It works, yeah. It opened the conversation. And I knew that would get your attention. It would open the conversation. I didn't... And I'm sorry for this. This is totally my fault. I did not think about or foresee that I could potentially turn it into a super negative thing. You know what I mean? I thought we would talk it out like adults over the comments, maybe even bring it to private messenger which we ultimately did i didn't foresee the floodgates of comments that were going to come out of that you know especially a little polarizing polarizing for sure and i felt terrible about that and i pretty much stayed out of those comments for the most part because i realized that it was starting to get toxic and i'm not my intentions at all and that's why I ultimately pulled the post probably not soon enough to be quite honest and that's why I commented in your post regarding the turtles I appreciate that I meant that that was not my intention I wasn't looking for anybody to say anything bad about you I wasn't looking for any business or money to be lost as a result of that and when I realized that I had caused that I felt terrible about that and I just quickly tried to reverse course As you did, I think it's a direct reflection of you as not only a business owner, but you as a human being. I very much appreciate that. It sounded like, John, we were kind of in the same boat there where we presented our take on something, but it was taken in a way and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, shit. That's not what I'm wanting to do here. So I felt the same thing. Totally. Totally. My utmost sincerest apologies for, yeah, I was blinded by the light of that, Twippy, because I didn't think about, well, somebody might interpret this as me trying to, you know, poo-poo Jack Barr's causes. And no, I've supported Jack Barr prior to any of this. I support you guys afterwards. Like I said, it's one of the destinations for pinball and for hanging out in NYC especially. So my apologies that you had to deal with any of this. It's very sad. And just, you know, this is what this turns into, man. It's just you and I do disagree, and I think it's fine. We disagree on the actions and decisions from other people, and there's nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with that. It takes two sides to make a market. Absolutely. Absolutely. So that was good. And then we had the next day, yeah, and the turtles you were alluding to coming in there and saying, guys, because Jack Danger posted something, me trying to – trying to sell the turtles on the launch day and he came in there saying sticking up for you know you and jack bar saying you shit on this guy why should anybody deal with you and that was nasty and unwarranted it's just yeah and some comments followed there where i realized the damage that had been done and i tried as best i could i'm sure i didn't undo all of it because that's impossible but i i did my best and i and you know reflecting on that zach i looked back and i'm like man you know I should have worded that original post so differently because you're like I write it like I hear it in my head and when if I was talking to you face to face like or or or you know as we are right now or in person I would have been like why do you hate Jack Barr like totally tongue-in-cheek you know like oh my god I didn't say anything about Jack Barr yeah I love the Twiffies yeah and that's how I wrote it how I heard it in my head thinking that that kind of tone would come across and of course like so many instances in life it came across it's just i'm super fucking pissed and fuck you you know and that's not how i meant it but i'll be honest you should have come to us first yeah no doubt you should have come to me and or jack and be like hey we're we're going to our podcast with this you know and you know just to give us a heads up or at best give us a heads up at worst give us a chance to to comment i and i i completely uh hear where you're coming from i at that point i didn't know i wouldn't reach out to you because i wasn't saying anything about jack bar so i wouldn't have thought hey i need to reach out to john or and when it comes to the jack thing i was that was the whole issue i had in uh you know using it as a donation object without reaching out maybe to his team prior to. So, and that, you know, but yeah, hindsight 2020. Yeah, sure, sure. And yeah, to your point, like Dennis said, well, Jack, and I appreciated Dennis sticking up for Jack Barr and saying, well, I don't blame Jack Barr for auctioning it. Yeah, absolutely. You know, and to be honest, it was our most exciting item. Like it got bid up really high. And then on top of that, like even if somebody even if that was too rich for somebody's blood for a piece of plastic it drew eyeballs to our other yeah still special that's why i was passionate about it and it was the one thing and i'll tell you you know jack was the first person to step up when when i even thought like i was so anti-fundraiser it was anti-gofundme i was anti-selling my you know a lot of like unique stuff i've collected over the years and my wife and other friends were like You got to do it. You got to do it. And I resisted for months when I finally decided in my mind that I was going to do it. The first person I reached out to, because I always know how reliable he is, is Jack. And I texted him and I said, Jack, any chance you'll donate some stuff for an auction I'm putting together to support Jack Barr? Jack called me. I'm not kidding. Ten seconds later, my phone rings, says Jack Guarnieri on it. And he's like, I got you. I got a bunch of stuff. Like, didn't even hesitate. didn't bother texting back, just called me and offered all this stuff. And he's like, I got some stuff. I probably have a play field and I have a, he's like, I can give you my Twippy a bitch of people go crazy for that. That's all he was thinking is that would be a cool thing. That's unique. And nobody else would have, you know, he was really just looking to help. That's the reality, you know, you know, and I was amazed even though I know this about Jack and just how quickly he jumped at the opportunity to do that. We've heard those stories. I mean, he he has been very giving in the past and in the in the present, too. And, yeah, I would never, never negate anything like that. Very. He is very supportive to a lot of people. And for that, I'd always be thankful. You know, somebody in pinball, how supportive and giving he has been in many of these cases like this. All right. As we close up here, John, again, appreciate the time. But also, you know, we're kind of in the same boat in a lot of ways, too. We've got these businesses that we're trying to run, and the last couple months have just been – they've been hell for us. I know they've been hell for you, man. Yeah, for sure. So let's talk about real quickly what can the pinball community and all the listeners here, what can we do to help assist Jack Bar? Because the last thing any of us want is this establishment to go away. So what can we do to help? What do you got going on, man? Maybe some gift certificates or something? Yeah, I appreciate you asking. You know, to be honest, we've gotten so much help, I'm like, I have this overwhelming guilt about it, you know? Though I know it was better than us closing the doors. No, it's love. Don't feel guilt about love. Yeah, but I'm the type of guy that I've been financially independent since I'm like 14 years old so to ask anybody for a dollar really takes a lot That why it took me so long to do it but um when when it became do or die um we started this go fund me which is tons of people came out and helped us items so i can't express how grateful i am about that and i started this ebay auction uh jack bar john is my handle on ebay i've been auctioning a whole bunch of cool stuff from Reciprocal Skateboards, my old business, and Jack Bar, and just things I've collected over the years, everything from skateboards to cool pinball collectibles. There's only a fraction of them even listed yet, and there's a lot more to come, so people can go check that stuff out and feel free to bid on it. That's really cool. And so we've got the Twippy did end up going to someone. You got some money for it, though, right? I got some money for it. Yes, I did. Good, good, good. Yeah. Okay. And they can go to the auction on eBay. Is the GoFundMe still rolling? Yeah, the GoFundMe is still rolling. Yeah, it's Shoot Again. It's a campaign to assist Jack Barf. All right. And that's the one that I was hard at. Like, auctioning stuff up, I didn't have so much of a problem with because, despite the fact that I didn't want to, like, give some of that stuff up, at least I'm giving people something for their money. People are getting cool shit. Yeah. With the GoFundMe, it was more straight up a handout. I felt like I should be wearing sunglasses and holding a tip cup and a pencil. So that one was more difficult for me. But it ended up working out. And we've made a month's expenses out of that. That's cool. Which is really sick. So between that and whatever I can scrounge together on my own, we're going to make it. You know, this pinball community, I can't say everybody in it's awesome, but most people are so supportive, so awesome. And, you know, you talk about feeling bad, John, and the handout and stuff like that. Look, man, I can almost guarantee that you have made sacrifices for your business, if you're like me, that no one will ever know about that did not help your business, but you did it because it was right. And damn it, that's why the pinball community is helping you, man. So please, please accept it, listeners. Follow along. See if you can't do the GoFundMe or win something damn cool on eBay. I know that I'm going to be looking at those auctions to see what I can get. And you can also, you know what, probably buy gift certificates from Jack Bar. How would they go about doing that, John? Well, they can go on our newly formed website, jackbarbk.com, and we have T-shirts for sale, which currently are local pickup only. Unfortunately, just because I'm the only person running the ship right now, including the little serving we can do. So but once we get open again and fully staffed, I'll be able to focus on shipping as well, because we're known for our Jack Bar Yelp shirts. That seems to be our our big thing. And I actually have two new designs. Oh, the Yelp shirts, which will people will find out what they are when they're revealed. They are going into print this week, and that means they should be available in about two weeks. One of them is a pandemic edition, and the other one is a standard edition. I'm really excited about those. Those are going to be super cool. You buy shirts and gift certificates on the website, which they can buy both. You get to at least represent what you gave your money to, and I appreciate that a lot. It makes me proud to see somebody who lives halfway across the country wearing a Jack Bar shirt when I get a picture of that on Facebook or something. And I'm like, that's like the most satisfying thing of what I do for a living, is that right there. As it should be. They're awesome shirts. I talk to you offline. I think we need, at some point, we need a Jack Bar shirt that says, Zachary Minnie, why do you hate Jack Bar? I think our listeners would love to purchase and support Jack Bar in that way as well. So just consider it. I absolutely will consider that. I think there is a market for it for sure. Oh, believe me, there is, unfortunately. All right, John, I appreciate you coming on to speak with me about this. It's nice to gain a friend after something that starts out as potentially some conflict. So I appreciate you being open to do that. And everybody go out, support Jack Barr. My ass is going to support next time I come up there, and we're going to hang out. Sound good? I appreciate that. We'll take great care of you. I promise. Awesome. Thanks again, John. You got it. All right. Sweet mother, Dennis, let's get to these correspondence. Okay. Do we have to hear from Craig? Oh, especially Craig. He's your favorite. I've been warning all the other correspondents trying to get them to don't try to turn them on me. No, it's too late. Oh, the coup is already in effect. You won't know until the coup de grâce is delivered. Counter coup coming. It's time for TPN industry news. Matt Morrison here with your Chicago Gaming Company update for the week. If you have a Medieval Madness remake, make sure and download the 3.0 version code update, especially if you're adding in the topper, the RGB lighting, or the extended display. It also fixes a bug preventing a custom logo installation on the machine. For more information on the custom logo, check out the Medieval Madness remake Owner's Club thread on Pinside. In other news, CGC has hired Butch Peel as lead service engineer. This went over very well on Pinside. Butch is known for working at Jersey Jack. He designed their manuals and was a huge help on the technical support side. And finally, as if Zach didn't have enough to do, and Dennis loved useless segments, we're going to bring back a Pinside classic, a poll on which game CGC should remake next from the Bally Williams era. I can give you a hint to what game I want to see remade. It's a super pin, and it's not Popeye. So be on the lookout for that poll, and be sure to vote. I'm Matt Morrison for CGC. See you next time. lot of discussion on Pinside about what these innovations could mean. Some are suggesting they may be Wi-Fi connectivity, while others are speculating about the next title, whether it's Guns N' Roses or something else. There's also been speculation about the timing of the release of this video, seeing as it aligns directly with the release of Stern's Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Hopefully all will be revealed soon. Jersey Jack also posted a photo of their shiny new sign outside their new factory in Elk Grove Village, Illinois. The photo had a caption saying, We look forward to showing you what's inside very soon. For the Pinball Show, this has been Ken Rudberg with your Jersey Jack update. Hello, and welcome to this week's Spooky Haggis Industry Talk with Dr. John on the Pinball Show. This week, nothing much to report from Haggis as he's still waiting for parts to arrive from the U.S. and Charlie is continuing to trickle Rick and Morty's out the door as allowed by his workspace regulations. Importantly, for those who own Alice Cooper, Pinside has recently posted a very helpful guide with a map to the monsters and the rooms and their access. If you go to page 96 of the Alice Cooper's Nightmare Castle Club on Pinside, You can get a full coloured map with each room and which weapons are in each room for each monster to help you defeat them quicker. It adds another dimension to the game. And a quick nod to Stern Pinball with their Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle co-op mode, which has been around since TNA in the Spooky Camp and is much loved and appreciated in those games. I look forward to seeing how it's implemented in the Turtles game. That's it for this week. Catch you all next week. Bye-bye. Hey, this is Kaz with an American Pinball update. I was informed by Michael Grant that they have moved into their new facility and have resumed building Hot Wheels, and shipping begins in June. The team is very excited to get back to building games, and they are eager for everyone to finally play Hot Wheels. Programmer Joe Schober is very happy with how the code is shaping up and looking forward to everyone having fun playing Hot Wheels. For American Pinball, this is Brian Kosner. Turtle power takes over Stern. Hey everyone, Craig here again, the pinball show's Stern News Correspondent. Well, as it turns out, the rumors were true. In the first weeks after turning the factory lights on, Stern does it again by wowing pinheads everywhere with those lovable and retro-themed reptiles, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Yes, the John Borg-designed, Dwight Sullivan-coated, and Zombie Yeti signature art package pinball machine hit the internet like a radioactive turtle shell on fire last week. Leaked images of the TMNT circled the internet a mere 24 hours before the official Stern images and videos were released to the public. The leaks also triggered a wave of cease and desist orders from Stern headquarters to their ravenous fan base and podcasters of anyone that posted the leaked images online prior to their official release. But beyond all that hullabaloo, many distributors were already reporting near or total sellouts of LE models only hours after the official release, with the premium and pros also selling much better than expected, proving once again why the world's largest pinball company rarely misses with its industry-leading licenses, design themes, and game-delivering production schedule. With its bright and brilliantly detailed art package by Zombie Yeti, which pays homage to the 80s-style Ninja Turtles, the ever-popular fan-type table boasts some of the largest number of features seen in a new Stern release, including... A player-controlled TMNT glider ball diverter, a magnetic pizza ball spinner, three flippers, three pop bumpers, three ramps, a ninja turtle van that enables a 6-8 multiball mode, a mechanical krang toy, the original 1987 theme music, turtle cartoon animations, the list goes on, Zach and Dennis, and I'm sure you'll go through them all. Although no connectivity features have yet to be announced, TMNT has a new four-player co-op mode. Tired of always losing to Zack Dennis? Well, TMNT boasts a unique versus mode allowing two versus two or one versus three gameplay options. Put all of those features together and you have some cowabunga staying power that is sure to make this new stern title a classic for Turtle Generations to come. That's all for this week. For the Pinball Show, I'm Craig Bobby. Catch you on the flip side. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles by Stern Pinball just released this week. And it looks like the pros, Dennis, will be starting to ship mid-June to late June. The limited editions, which were numbered to 500, will be... They're aiming, this is all tentative, but what they're aiming for is those to be on the line and shipping at the end of June to beginning of July. And then the premiums mid-July to end of July. That's going to be hard to accomplish because of how many sales I know this title is bringing Stern Pinball. So it's been doing well for you. It's been doing well for me, yes, absolutely. And it's great because we needed it. The last couple of months have been tough for everybody. for dealers it has been very tough as well uh that's what i was talking to john jack bar about i was like man i'm struggling too with you i hear you so this is this is welcomed yes let me ask you before we get into the the game itself how much of that not and i don't mean this in any way to put down on on how the game looks or anything obviously we haven't commented on that yet but how much of that just those initial sales that all that interest that you as a distributor have do you think is derived from that everyone has been cooped up at home and we haven't had any releases and people have really struggled to buy new inbox in particular because no one has been building and that all of that is just like coming to a head on turtles and just like this would have happened to any game that came out it's the it's a fantastic point dennis i actually i agree with you 100 i think that is a big big factor here that uh that we have to take into consideration The big thing for me, I think this is a perfect storm that has brewed, and I think Stern Pinball, they know how to brew these storms. We have Turtles being a very, very desirable title and intellectual property. This hits right into the nostalgic factor as well as newer kids. There's still Turtle stuff out there as an IP. So we got Turtles. We got Zombie Yeti. Zombie Yeti art. People, especially collectors, are always craving that next zombie Yeti art piece. Then we've got the return of Borg. And we know, hey, if Borg gets a third flipper, oh, maybe it's going to be like Tron. And then you get this big, this big calm of the COVID for the last three months. You get that people are craving to get back into arcades. They're craving to get a new machine. What's going to be announced next? What is it? What is it? Boom. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. So, yes, I think it's a concoction of different storms, and it is a big, big one. Now, this one, it almost feels like, if we're talking distribution-wise, this feels like it did back when Jurassic Park came out. And I have been hearing some people, my sources from Stern, some creators from Stern Pinball have said this one's going to be another special one. Well, I think that it – I mean obviously since Jurassic Park, we've really only had Stranger Things. And while I – again, I've still not seen the show, so sorry, Zach. But my understanding is the big difference that I would draw here is while Stranger Things as a show tries to push a lot of the nostalgia buttons, the show itself people don't have nostalgia for because it's too new. Whereas Turtles does have that nostalgia, just like Jurassic Park had a lot of nostalgia. Though Turtles is even older than Jurassic Park, at least Jurassic Park films. I don't remember when the novel was written. Will this be the greatest selling Stern of all time? What is the greatest? We don't know. I know a lot of people think it was Metallica. Yeah, we don't know. ACDC was a big seller. Yeah, and that's the one I used to always think was their biggest seller. But maybe Turtles. Lord of the Rings, Simpsons. Does this end up trumping Jurassic Park in sales? That's what, if you would have asked me before I seen the game and seen the response that people were having, I would have said absolutely not. It might be a hot title, but nothing has been Jurassic Park since I've done the business or maybe the hobby. Ghostbusters, maybe. I mean, Jurassic Park was just gigantic, pun intended. Jurassic Park was huge. But this one, this one's not surprising me fully. I knew it was going to be big, but I didn't expect orders, initial orders, to exceed even that, what we received from Jurassic Park. One could argue maybe my business is growing, and that's where you're seeing the growth. But I don't know. I had to order a lot of these, Dennis, so I'm not sure. Good for Stern Pinball. Good for you. If we're taking a look at this, some first impressions. Let's just touch on, we don't have to go into a deep dive here, but just a couple things. Something that you've really liked and are excited about, and then I'll say mine, and something maybe you would have liked to see a little more attention on or you question a little bit. Well, first thing is I'm always happy to see a pro model that has more than two flippers. Okay. And so I know we got that with Jurassic Park, but I'm glad that I'm starting to see it, it seems like, more often now. because there was like this really long stretch after Star Trek where there just weren't more than two flippers on pros. And so, which is good to me because that means if you've got more than two flippers, you're not a fan layout anymore. So this does, that kind of has that shot that kind of reminds me of Tron. So that's interesting because Tron's a fun game. And to your point there, that third flipper has two very, looks very smooth very well designed shots one being that loop around and one being that ramp that whips right right right so so i think that's interesting uh the geometry looks it looks you know it's familiar but not again it's not a fan so it's it's different i do uh i would i actually like the idea i know some people don't but uh i actually like the idea of return of the magnetic spinning disc okay which a la x-men is what i always think of but obviously you like that yeah i do i just think i think it's it's a really cool visual effect we've got a case here where i think everyone maybe not everyone i think a lot of people going into this thought oh it's okay so borg's the designer so there's going to be some center bashed toy and i think that the disc is actually more prominent given its placement there in the middle you know what i yeah i never even thought about that uh when you hear john borg i did hear people saying yeah this thing's gonna have a a crane that you bash and stuff like that i haven't thought about that until now after the release yeah it doesn't have that big major bash toy huh john is this the evolution of borgie oh he's always had more diversity i think in his portfolio than people liked it but you generally have to he was doing a lot of bash toys for stern so wait a minute okay go further back you talked about the tron shots off that third flipper can we not uh maybe maybe compare this to tron because if you remember dennis and tron and listener the central feature of what to quote unquote bash or hit to in the center was a spinning disc in tron so maybe when he goes spinning disc he doesn't go bash toy interesting point though in that case if we're comparing to Tron, he's dramatically placed it in a different location. Yes. Because the recognizer was all the way in the back on Tron. And that was like a main feature, interactive feature. This is a pass-through kind of feature until it locks the balls for that X-Men spinning display. Yeah. I don't, visually, there's not, I don't have a thing I don't like that I see on it. Wow. I mean, there's not like a, oh, God. I mean, like the premium LE and a user-controlled diverter. I mean, talk about a shadow throwback. I mean, we haven't seen that in a long, long time. So I think, well, I don't see anything on here that I would on the hardware side that I look at and go, that's really innovative. I mean, maybe that would be the negative. Did you watch any official streams to see maybe something code wise that you thought? I did have the premium. I guess you I guess you didn't see me in the in the chat because I was the creative mind that saw the pizza eating mode with the action button. And I said, I said, tie fighter, more like pie fighter. And everyone laughed because I was so clever. And then I was like, peace out. And I left. But I did. I did watch about 30 minutes of the of the stream. I tried to log in, but I was banned from that official. So you didn't see my reveal. Well, trust me, there were like at least four people that are like, that's so funny. I'm like, I know that's what I do. My first impression, the damn thing is loaded, loaded. It's pouring out over the top. It's so loaded. When people talk about stern, some of the nitpicks people say are kind of barren, right? We hear that word a lot, barren. They're barren. Especially pros, usually. Especially pros. Well, for obvious reasons. Yeah, when we look at this, we see wire forms everywhere. We see diverters. We see balls going into vans. We see loops. We see ramps. It's pretty loaded down. So I'm impressed with the layout. I think that what catches me off guard in the best way, my first impressions after going through the seminar, learning more about it, is some of the unique features. Like, for example, we get an 8-ball multiball on the Premium LE. When's the last time that's been done, Dennis? 8-ball? IJ4, maybe? Good call, maybe. Which was also a... Abomination. No, it was John Bork. Yeah, no, I know, but not very many people are proud of how that one turned out. Yeah, it was a John Borg's ball. So we get eight ball multiball, like you said, the player-controlled ramp diverter. I love my shadow. Now, I see the diverter on the Pro, but I guess that's not player-controlled on the Pro? On the Pro, it is not. It is not even a diverter. Oh, is it not? No, it is not a diverter. It is a metal, we'll call it a stopper. Think of it as an up post, but it's a bar because it has to stop the ball on both ramps. So this is an opportunity for the coder to be able to tell you something. So the ball goes up. The diverter comes down, stops the ball. You look up at the screen. It says, hey, you're getting ready to start a la Star Wars lightsaber battle, right? Mode getting ready to start It gives you it telling you hey hold up So no the ball will not switch which is also why in the Pro you will not see the hang glider mode Because that hang glider mode is. Right, because it's not a hang glider. Yeah, yep. Well, and because it doesn't, the ball doesn't divert off the different. So, I like that. Okay, I'll give you a complaint then. Okay. I'll give you, I should remember this one. Here's a complaint I have with the premium LE model. The diverter control being the action button. It should be a button by the flipper. Oh, Dennis. I'm sorry, but after seeing Black Knight sort of rage, put the Magna Save in the middle, it just is too frustrating. Oh, stop. That's my note. There you go. There's my complaint. If you're going to go for that, I'd say that the Magna Save, when it's closer to the drain, is a little tougher to hit quickly than middle of the ramp. But if the ramp's fast, you might have a point. You might have a point. What stuck out to me was that 8-ball, multiball, the van locking balls. And Stages, when does that happen? And Bram Stoker's Dracula, like the ball, you have to have three balls always staged in the van on the premium LE. I like the thought of that. Nice job, Stern. They're doing something a little bit different. And ultimately, I've got to give it up to my buddy, Dwight Sellent. And whether it was his thought, a team's thought, I don't care whose thought it was, but he helped code it. The co-op modes and the different ways to play this game, Dennis. We have not seen that by Stern Pinball ever before. That's true. But obviously, given what we've seen from Multimorphic and Spooky, these are not innovations to the industry. No, not innovations, but they're now on games that have killer IP. And I agree. I'm really glad to see it. I think co-op mode, that might actually be the greatest gift that Scott Danesi actually did for pinball, was to introduce co-op mode in a traditional pinball machine. And made it easy to start, easy to understand. and especially for a hard game. And this game kind of looked hard to me. I think that it's nice to have a way to, you know, some people... It looks fast. It's the competitiveness in pinball that actually turns them off to it. And if you make it about a co-op experience, it's just different. This seems family-friendly of a game. It seems welcoming to everybody. What I love about the co-op mode is that it makes sense to the theme integration. There are four Ninja Turtles. You can play co-op and try to get through all of the battles. And Dwight Sullivan said, listener, that if one of the players in co-op mode gets to a wizard mode, then everybody gets to experience that wizard mode. Yeah, I did hear him say that. They're just very smart. I like things like that. Also, I love that you can play two versus two. And especially, I love this. This might be the smartest thing. And Multimorphic, Denise, they might have done it as well. But three-on-one makes more sense than I think most people realize. Yeah. TNA I don't think had three-on-one in it. I don't know what's been added. I don't have the latest code installed still because I'm lazy. The reason being, I think three versus one, they talked about it being the Keith Elwin mode. You get that one great player versus one. No. I see this as one of the smartest coding decisions for hobbyists and home use players. And this is why, Dennis. It's because whenever people collect pinball machines, I know this as a hobbyist myself. Hell, I've got 15 machines here, and I'm the one that plays them 98% of the time. My kids like to flip around. My wife likes to, you know, when we have friends over, have a drink and play. That's fine. And she sits the damn bottle on my Pirates of the Caribbean, my jersey. Get the bottle off! Get it off! No, it's the topper. God, get it off. So what I love about this, people aren't really talking about. I can now have three of my family members who are pretty shitty at pinball, but they're having fun. Bless them. And they can try to battle me, who is, I mean, come on. I have been to the final battle in the shadow. Not beaten it, but, you know. I just have a view of you convincing them that the three-on-one will make it fair, and then you slap all of them across the face. I'm just like, wow. Figuratively speaking. And I call protective services, but I learned in Indiana they don't enforce it. No, they don't. No, so I think that's just really smart. They now have a reason to compete with me, and that makes it fun. And I now have a reason to want my kids down playing pinball because, yeah, I've got a battle. Yeah, I've got a battle. I think it's really smart. What about the art, Dennis? We cannot brush over Zombie Yeti's package here. He did all right. He did. It looks like he might have some experience. This might not be his first art project. Might not be his first rodeo. When the leaked pictures came out, and that's a whole other story, they looked a little rough. All right? Colors. They always jack up colors and clarity on those leaked pictures, so you hesitate, and I hesitated. I was like, wait, I don't know if this is Zombie Yeti's best piece. But then once these high-res pics came out, yep, another masterpiece by him. There's not much to say when it comes to Zombie Yeti. He set the bar so high that it's only his to lose. And that seems harsh and it seems like it's hard for him to deal with. But look, when you wear the crown as the king of pinball art, the current king and arguably one of the top three of all time, that's just your position, right? Your position is to only go down. So as long as he maintains and sustains this level of work that he puts in these pinball machines, he'll always be the king. Hmm. Wow. Wow. How about it? And the first time I seen the art package, especially the back glass, strong take, but I think this is, in certain parts of this art package, the best visual representation that the Ninja Turtles license has ever seen. Ever. And in particular, the Leonardo piece, front, right in the middle of that pro, that is the best artwork I've seen on Turtles, even better than the original. I know it's sacrilegious, but that is the best representation of what a Ninja Turtle needs to look like, especially in 2020. So there's certain parts on here for me that are visually better. They look better done than even the artists themselves that developed Ninja Turtles. Some of it doesn't. Like lower play field, lower third, with the characters in the middle, the a la Deadpool thing. People are loving that. You know, I can take or leave it. The ones on the slings, turtles on the slings, I can take or leave it. The pizza, a little more. Look, I've got negative stuff, but some of that work is the best that turtles has ever seen. My favorite is the drain and the baby turtles. Oh, everyone loves those baby toitals. The happy one in the upper right, that's Michelangelo, slacker on his back. If I shipped you a baby turtle, would you nurture it? No, I'd probably free it. Would you feed him lettuce and baklava? I don't think they eat baklava, Zach. They might like baklava, thank you. Oh, but they eat pizza? Hey, they were mutated when they started eating that pizza. Far out. Other things that I noted, Dennis, is the code when I was watching it. The code seems full. I was talking with Dwight, and he said that those extra couple months of quarantine were not great for the company or anything. But he said when it comes to the coding team, it did help out a lot. You're going to see this thing just as close to 1.0 as any Stern machine has come out from the gate. Yeah, and that does make sense. I had hoped to see advanced coding given how long of a delay there's been, and I think that you did. I mean, there were a lot of code discussion in the walkthrough on the premium stream. So I was like, okay, yeah, it sounds like this is in a really advanced state already, and I think that'll make people pretty happy when they get it. I still, yeah, I think it's a sales point too. Again, part of that perfect storm. But I worry a bit about the complexity of that code. I've got to say, I mean, I, well, because I'm a, I'm a hobbyist that's not great at pinball, but I keep up on the code, especially codes that don't rely on all these multipliers, but your different hurry up modes, your different mini modes, I can keep up. and it was, I was having trouble at times, I'm not going to lie. There's eight main modes. After four of them, you get to mini wizard. After another four, you get to the main wizard mode, but then there's an ultimate wizard mode. I like the tasks. Oh, Dwight, I'm in love with you. I like that you have to get so many tasks to get to the ultimate wizard mode, not just the modes. Thank you. But I don't know. I was like, well, this guy's got this skill shot, but if you play co-op, then you can have two skill shots because the other guy before you got this skill shot, and then you go into the hurry-up mode. Wouldn't it? I don't know. I don't know. Okay. I agree that it is on the complex side. Gummy bears on pizzas. I don't know why they went with gummy bears. Maybe there was something there that I don't remember from the show. But, okay, so the game's on the complex side, but it's not like that's unique. I mean, Jurassic Park with its, well, here are the animals, and then there are the DNA strands, and then Star Wars. I mean, we've had a lot of complex pinball games. I didn't think this was more complex than some of the other ones we've seen. The structure of it felt a lot more complex to me than even Star Wars. Well, I mean, until I get hands-on with it, it's hard to say. It was a lot to take in while he's trying to do the walkthrough, but I think that's – I mean, I always – I had the same thing when I had an area player walk me through his strategy on what did what on the new Jurassic Park game. And I was just like, 45 seconds in, I was starting to no longer follow because I wasn't seeing what he was saying. He was just like, and you shoot this, and then you can be able to start your T-Rex multiball. And then over here is the Raptor Pit, and I don't recommend you shoot it, but you can get a multiball if you keep going for that. And it's like, okay. It was all right, but until I played it enough to really experience it, it was really hard for me to mentally piece it together. Great point. Yeah, and hopefully that's just what it is. Maybe it was because I didn't watch the pro stream. Maybe it was just a stream. The stream was a damn mess. I mean, they tried to do the Zoom stuff and get all of the developers in there, but I didn't know what the hell was going on. I think that's right. I think just the fact that they had to be remote and Jack Danger was trying to listen, and he may have still had the audio and such, but it still wasn't like Dwight couldn't just point and say, here's the spot that you need to shoot. Because there were parts where I could tell where Jack didn't know which ramp Dwight was initially referencing because they're not there in person. So, yeah, that's going to make it hard for anyone. So maybe that was it. I didn't know what the hell was going on. I do want to give a shout-out to the lead animations. This is something different and new. Joshua Joshua Clay, the man, is fantastic. He's multifaceted with his skill set and talent. He got lead on animations this time. Chuck Ernst, I guess, is working with team on something else. But it's nice to see, again, some new blood. Josh has been there a little bit, but he does – hell, that guy can do art. He can do animation. He can do design. He's incredible, but shout out to him for the animations. I like the animations. Yeah, I need to see him in person. I still wouldn't mind. They keep doing 3D stuff. I wouldn't mind just – give me a zombie yeti doing 2D illustrations and then animate those. A cartoon? Yeah, give me those. Give me those. Given what they did versus just showing clips from the old cartoon, I thought it looked good. Yeah, give me clips too. I like the original. I figured you would. I'm okay without clips. I don't remember the show well enough anymore to care. Some of the composition layouts of that animation is very, very smart though, so I'm looking forward to that. And I did ask during the distributor seminar, nobody asked you about internet connectivity at the end of the discussion. So your buddy old Zach said, hey, Gare, Gare Bear. Gary, sure No internet on this one He said no No Zach, thanks for asking But with all this stuff going on right now Development wise we just We want to continue to focus on that For a future release I think this made the most sense For internet connectivity But maybe as it was coming out They still weren't where they needed to be All speculation of course Sure, sure But I think especially given that we saw a couple weeks ago Multimorphic finally launched their internet-based play, that innovation pressure that they need to not fall too far behind is – I would think. Yeah, swing. Especially if JJP is getting close to announcing. I don't know that. Yeah. But if that's the case – Absolutely. As I look at it, I was starting to think of my favorite parts of the Zombie Yeti Playfield artwork. I did identify another thing that I'm not a huge fan of, and I should have remembered it because I knew this from the stream. Those giant single stand-up targets for April and Lair. Yeah, yeah. Borg's been doing that lately. I'm assuming leftovers from the Munsters run. Possibly. I don't know. I'm not wild about them. I like drops. I don't like stand-up targets. No, I'm good with stand-ups, but I think they should be individual. I don't know. I've gotten to the point where, yeah, sure, individuals are a little bit better than the big ones, but the discrepancy between a stand-up to a drop target is much more substantial to me. I don't care enough. But what I do care about is the art packages, and believe it or not, of course, I'm getting an LE, but art package-wise, back glass, I think the LE is my least favorite of the back glasses. I know. Sounds crazy, but you can't get an ugly turtles machine. all three art packages are stunning there what can we say negative about this game i don't it's going to be tough and also shout out to our friend Marc Silk voiceover actor Marc Silk he voices a lot of parts in this game now you asked him about that didn't you dennis uh yeah i did per your discussion uh correct me if i'm wrong dennis but you said Marc Silk is the narration which is actually splinter so he voice over splinter casey jones or our favorite hockey mast person yeah vigilante baxter baxter's fly and the lovable bebop and rocksteady yeah i think those were the ones he identified as being him i i noticed during the i guess the splinter narration i was like that sounds like Marc Silk kind of yeah yeah only kind of because he was he's changing his voice it's tricky like that for further discussion on what the correspondents talked about maybe we'll get a midweek show coming up this week with little craig bobby there's your poke craig really all right ladies and gentlemen we were going to go into the next segment but unfortunately i was having some technical difficulties there so my apologies to dennis creasel for that he had to hop off and join the eclectic gamers podcast his preferred podcast it's old side piece zach's got to go solo for the rest of the time so bear with me everybody that's strange okay hello who the hell's calling me it's dennis it's clearly not oh you've come back dennis you've come back into my arms who the hell is it is this craig bobby it is is this pinball network's stern correspondent craig bobby trending up this week oh the saving grace Welcome to the Pinball Show, episode 16. Craig Bobby! Oh, shake and bake. What are you up to, buddy? How are you? How are you? I love that you just called in. Perfect. Well, I thought, what the hell? You know, I was getting a little lonely up here. Now that I've seen, we're putting Bob and Doug on the moon, it appears, this weekend. Man, you've been killing it on pinball market trends as of late, as well as the correspondent spots. You've got to be considering your own show at some point, Craig Bobby. come on it's it's crossed my mind a couple times zach but i i know see the bar is so high though i'm not i don't know if i can i can quite get there it's legal up there in canada isn't it hey i don't know i think the people the people want it but until then maybe they just uh maybe they just settle for a little bit of oh what's that oh i hear it oh it's coming from the the wood i didn't say wood i'm more intellectual the wood is a plural piece there oh hold on craig bobby it's coming it's the pinball market trends that's right and i've got a co-host for the pinball market trends this week grab a jacket over there my friend yep the one that says tpn the yeah bye bye bye uh you're 42 long right craig 40 regular actually just for the record 40 regular actually People are actually going to send you jackets? Jesus. Put on the jacket because it's time for you to hop into the co-pilot seat of Pinball Market Trends. Are you ready? Ready to rock. This is a prestigious opportunity here. Let's hope you don't fuck it up, Craig. I am honored to be here. I'm honored to be here. Right now, Dennis Creasel, he's picking every scab on his arm. He's like, he's one of those nervous parrots That just keeps plucking their little feathers out It's okay Dennis, I'll be gentle with him Take a deep breath Dennis Pop one of those zannies And let's enjoy the show Training up this week is You know what, I was going to do turtles But it makes more sense Over the last year or so, training up is amphibians In general, or Reptiles, amphibians, what the hell is a turtle? An amphibian, reptile Dinosaurs, Jurassic Park There's something there with reptiles, amphibians. I've become, all of a sudden, Jeff Goldblum. Yes, yes. And also turtles, dinosaurs, trolls. They're all part of the same family of amphibians or reptiles. Craig, what the hell is a turtle, a dinosaur, a troll? Aren't they the same thing genetically? Yeah, you're right. They probably stem from the same genetic material, and they've been melded together at some point over time. Absolutely. I think if a turtle had sex with a bird, they'd make a dinosaur. Isn't that how it works? I think that's the, yes, that's the theory. And then whatever that animal shits out is a troll. I think that's how that works. I don't know. I didn't do well in biology. That's why I'm a psychologist and not a physician. But, yeah, so training up is amphetamines. Wow. How about it? Wow. Amphibians on amphetamines. looking at the zombie yeti artwork on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. It's been a long day, Craig. It's been a long day. It's okay. You can rest your head on my shoulder. It's alright. I'll take care of you. Good thing we padded that shoulder jacket there. Man, I guess you have no shoulders. It's underneath my lumberjack one, too, so it's nice and fluffy. Alright, Zach, I'm going to give this a shot. Trending up this week, being a douchebag on social media. COVID-19 got you feeling a little down on your luck? Hey, why not become an internet troll? Yes, why not get everyone all riled up by criticizing, cajoling, calling people out with factless claims, leaking copyrighted material, and generally being douche-like? And you thought pinball was fun? Yes, welcome to the timeless fraternity of the internet troll. Hashtag Macho Nation Rules Hashtag Macho Nation Rules Oh, Craig, I liked that, but that was strong, Craig. I love it. There's a lot of pent-up frustration in there, I think. That's where that one comes from. Do tell! Please don't tell. Hey, we've all come up against them. We've all seen it, you know what I mean? Have we all come up against them, though? Maybe some more than others. Also turning up this week is ooey gooey bugs. You like bugs? Well, there's a lot up here, that's for sure. Do they smell of maple leaves? Or marijuana? We're not quite sure. No, not just any bug, ladies and gentlemen. The beetles! There's a little segue there. Turning up is beetles toppers, baby! Because they can't sell quick enough! Yeah, beetles toppers. I got some in recently. They were going to do that small run. And I remember, Craig, you were reporting on that. I was. Just a little bitty run of Beatles toppers. Well, guess what? They've come and they've gone. So much for that. People said, oh, Beatles topper? Oh, that's beautiful. I'm going to buy, buy, buy. Buy, buy, buy. And they bought the hell out of those things. I sold like 10 in one day. You know the sound that people make whenever they slurp up that little noodle from their spaghetti? I do. Spaghetti. That's what it said. And it whips them right in the nose. Yep. That's the sound they made when Beatles toppers were announced back in stock at Flip N Out Pinball. Beatles toppers, I think, are gone again. Maybe they still have them. Order direct from sternpinball.com now. It's a nice topper. I don't have any more. Where the hell are our other toppers at? Jeez. Are those shooter knobs back in stock yet? Oh, God, with the damn shooter knobs. I went on the Stern website the other day, and it looked like I could order one, but maybe I'm wrong about that. It's a trap, Greg. It's crashing. It's crashing right now as people are running to the Stern website. It's a trap. They get you all hot and bothered. You go, you click on it, they let you add it to the cart, but then they say, nope, none in stock. Sorry. Choosing Toad on Mario Kart. Yes, why play the cool Yoshi, Bowser, or even Mario himself when you can play the laughable, lovable, and sometimes even snuggable Den Den's Toad. Watch out, Luigi many. Hell hath no fury like a Den Den's Toad scorned. Hashtag Toad Moves Rule. Does Dennis remind you of Toad? He corrected me, Toad still, sorry. I thought his impression of Toad was spot on last week. It was very, it was shockingly good. So he's, I feel like he's, yeah, he's taken on that mantra almost. You know, he's really internalized it, which I'm... Yeah, who were you in Mario Kart? Did you ever play that game? Yeah, I love Mario Kart. In fact, my daughter was just asking about playing it last night. Just sheer coincidence. I'm more of a Yoshi guy. When that, you know, when you get to choose the things. I like Yoshi. You do seem like a Yoshi. I like that dragon. Always there when you need him. Sometimes you've got to feed that egg to make him pop out. But you're going to get gold. Because who wants to run around as Mario when you could be on Yoshi? I mean, am I right or am I wrong? Do you have a long tongue? I'm there. Eat apples whole? Not lately. I always wonder what happens whenever they, in Mario, he eats the app and you press down and like an egg comes out behind him. What's the deal there? Or is that Yoshi's Island? That's Yoshi's Island. Very underrated game, by the way. Sorry. Getting off track here. Unfortunately, Craigie, can I call you Craigie? I don't know why. I always think, every time I think of Craig and Craigie, I think of George Bush. Hey, we got Craigie. Life's okay when you got the Craigie. Ain't that right, Craigie? Not going to do it. Ain't got that. That's the former. That's the old bush. Oh, that's right. You got to have a little pizzazz in the second bush. He was trying to pick it up a little bit. Yeah, that's right. So he was more forceful, Craigie. I don't know. I don't do bushes, but let's do it. Okay. unfortunately craigy trending down this week is oh i don't want to report this how dare you market trends numbers don't lie i only report the facts and the facts say the stranger things oh yeah damn it yeah yep stranger things trending down you want to host it is heartbroken i see it fine sell them cheap i don't care what the hell not that i have any in the box waiting in inventory How down is it? Yeah, on secondary market, you pick it. Pro, premium, LE, they're all down. Pros right now, oh, five grand? Like a mint pro? What? Yeah, I know. Well, those are American dollars. U.S. dollars there, Craig. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was getting out my wallet. I was like, shit, I got $20. No, that's not going to cut it. That converts over Looney Tunes-wise, doesn't it? And now what you got? What do you guys use? Ruples? What is it? It feels like it. It feels like we are. Hey, I'm not going to hate on Canada right now because I might move there here soon. Things don't change around here. You guys got room up there in the great up north? We've always got room. We've always got room, especially if you come bearing pinball machines. The red carpet just gets rolled out. Maybe I'll start distribution up there. Yeah. Yeah. And there are like three distributors up in that whole country. It feels like it most days. Look, I will deploy all of the damn huskies that we need on these sleds to get these games to people. That's just who I am. Mush! Isn't that how you guys get around to work? I think. I don't know. Where would I live, Craig Bobby, if I were to live? A good place for me. Saskatchewan? Where would I live? Yeah, they're always looking for people out there. Manitoba? Is that a place? It sounds like a place. The Maritimes? Well, let me think about this, because David Dennis is out there, and so is Orbital Albert, I think. Far away from David Dennis. Yeah, go to the other side. I don't know. I kind of like Orby's style. So maybe right next to him, milking his goats. He's like, Zach, what are you doing? No, don't mind me. Just topping off the old cereal there, Orbs. Is he on a farm? Is that what I heard? Is he on a farm? Is that where the goat thing came from? Yeah, if you listen carefully, you can hear them in the background when he's recording a podcast. Vancouver? Well, Vancouver. Seems a little far. It's a bit rainy out there. Of course, anybody on the West Coast is like, it's not fucking rainy. We got the mountains. I'm like, well. John Denver was full of shit. That's right. Yeah, but turning down a stranger things. I don't know how we got off on that tangent. Pros, you're going to find about $5,000 in their damn near new. premiums you're going to find oh jeez like 68 to 7000 these things are like 75 76 new maybe even lower than that LEs I've just seen an LE list for $8000 these are $9000 games and the guy couldn't have had it for like a couple months so they're down right now how many did they do of that LE was it 500 or 1000 or 15 thanks for putting me on the spot there without it's 500 500 But mark my word, Craig Bobby, I've said it before, and as every code update comes in and makes this game even better, I'll say it again. Just wait. Wait until we get about .96 and you all are going to be craving a little Stranger Things. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. Maybe everybody's on Turtles now. Who knows? Do you still have your Stranger Things? Hell yeah, I do. Okay. Got rid of a lot of games, Craig Bobby. I thought you were going to say I sold it last week. Sold it! I don't want to lose my ass just before it started trading down that's right sorry new buyer you gotta watch those markets that's right hashtag fail anytime they send a pinball machine over the border check the number of plays you have on it when you actually get it in your home and turn it on because I think the border guards play them as they come through really you said this was brand new it's got 100 plays on it wow they had to open it up and they had to see make sure there's no drugs in the boxes anywhere that'd be a good place for crack try shipping yourself up in one and we'll find out man that would be a great video it's me live in a box be fragile we could put a little uh a little gopro on you there and just let her rip you know streaming live crossing the border that wouldn't be very good but what would be good is if you guys took advantage of this week's pinball market trends deal of the week take notes because this deal of the week, this week, is from Trich Storm. T. Rich Storm or Rich's Torm. How do you spell that? I'm getting my P-note here. Hold on. T-R-I-C-H. Trich. Stop being such a trich. Storm. You son of a trich. I thought there was so many things. You're really angry. Watch out for the trench storm coming tonight. No, trench storm out of West Greenwich, Rhode Island. West Greenwich, Rhode Island. Well, I can't have this, but this is a Radical that's up for sale on Pennside. Excellent example of a Valley Radical. One of the greatest System 11s ever made. Those are my words, not theirs. Everything works. Thanks. No play field wear. Well, that's good. And even the cabinet is in nice shape. Even the cabinet's in nice shape, I tell you. Jeez. Now, I hate when people do this. Picks coming. What the... Yeah, what? Don't post it. Picks coming. What a tease. Rhode Islanders are teases. Mm-hmm. 38.50. Seems high. But it's hard to find radicals. And if this guy is not full of malarkey, and there is no playfield wear, which I have a hard time believing, no playfield wear. No is pretty absolute there, Bobby Man. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I'm just saying. Yeah, for a game of that, unless they got it completely protected, which he didn't say. He didn't mile her up. He didn't say that. I'm pretty sure everybody does, says that. No picks, but if this is true, 38-50. Bye-bye-bye! Yeah, this is a bye-bye-bye. All right, Craig Bobby, how does it feel to be on this side of the official desk now? This is exciting. Yeah, this is very exciting. Okay. And I'm in my favorite trend. I shouldn't say favorite trend. I'm in my favorite segment of the show. I know it's Dennis' favorite, so it's my favorite. I got the Jibo tattoo, and he's thinking about the Pinball Market Trends tattoo. I would honestly pay that man $1,000 if he got Pinball Market Trends anywhere on his body. Maybe on his tum-tum that says, training up. Dennis, let's make it happen. Listeners out there, if you guys want to get a tattoo of Pinball Market Trends on you anywhere, I would be indebted to you. Just saying. That would be funny. But I am indebted to a lot of people because of viewer trends. Let's transition over to a little Pinball Market Trends viewer trends. Now, typically, this is where I have your gold. But you've given us your gold as part of... Now, you're going to have to keep the jacket here when you leave. But, you know, at least we got your size right. Now, we do have a viewer trend here. Yeah, yeah. Let's hear it. Here's the deal. You're on this side, so, you know, you've got to offer some advice. You've got to help these people out. You've got to rate whether or not pass or fail here. Got it. I'm all ears. And these viewer trends come from our buddy, Michael Winnie. My little poop bear. Yeah. Maybe it's Win. Winnie? I don't know. Dakota Mike, thanks for the submission. We'll see what you've got, buddy. Trending up this week is attempting to record viewer trends in your car on the way home from picking up a brand new pin. But trending down is giving up because of wind and road noise. Boo-hoo. Trending up this week is lighting the extra ball insert. Ooh, the hope and the anticipation. But trending down this week is collecting the light but then immediately draining. What a waste. That's like my entire pinball history right there. That is. I like that his take on viewer trends is more a causal and effect kind of relationship. Interesting. I kind of like it. Let's keep going. All right. And trending even farther down is never collecting the extra ball at all. Is there a worse feeling in the world than an uncollected extra ball? I don't think so. Trending up this week is making a tricky ramp shot from an upper flipper. Ooh, the satisfaction. Trending down this week are burned-out insert lights. Oh, man, isn't it awful when you see that lamp that should be lit and it's not? And you can't stop thinking about it, can you? And that light show sweeps through, and there's that little black circle on your play field, and it's like a black circle on your heart. A bulb that you know should be on, and it's not. It eats away at your very soul. But hey, training up is finally replacing that burned out lamp. Oh man, every bulb and lamp in my pinball machine is working? Oh, I can rest easy. Jesus, a journey. So, it sounds to me like Mike is really struggling himself with them damn bulbs. well it can be very healing doing these trends you know I can hear the healing in his voice as he goes through that so he's working through it I think it's fantastic oh shit we got more just a minute I thought he was still stuck on that light bulb sorry Mike trending down this week is Monday Night Pinball hey Flippin Out where you at I never know when you're going to be on these days but trending up this week is making your teenager stream for you so you don't have to that's brains right there Oh, I seen what you did there. Okay. Is that a dig at you? Was he digging at you? I think a little dig at me. Ah, geez, he's turning. I know, he's already turning. I think Dennis has gotten to him. What if he tries to sabotage this damn segment with the use of viewer trends? Dennis. Dennis. Dan, Dan. Trending up this week is attempting to drive safely through a construction zone while maintaining the appropriate speed limit. trending down this week is people riding your ass while you're doing it hey guy we're down to one lane fines are double and there's a tractor trailer 100 yards in front of me where are you gonna go guy why don't you back up a little please okay hey guy like he seems like a really sweet man that uh brewing deep beneath is a uh is a type of aggression that only pinball market trends will uncover. So, okay. There should be a sign. You know how there's a sign that says you've seen him a thousand times saying baby on board or whatever. There should be one that says pinball on board or something. That's right. It gets people to move back. Come on. Market Trend's on board. I could be recording. I think it's a dumb... A recording like flashing. I love Mike, but I think Market Trend's might bring out the worst in him here soon. We're going to continue, but at this point, I I hope that there isn't an illegal aggressive act that goes forth. Yes, it finishes this. I'm struggling. Would we be held responsible for that, I wonder? Numbers don't lie. No. Facts are facts. We only report the facts here. It's his ass, thank you very much, not mine. Trending up this week is people selling beautifully restored or hardtop playfields that play great. But trending down this week is selling those same playfields inside a cab that looks like someone took a cheese grater to it. Hey, buddy, did you forget that that beautiful play field sits inside a wooden box that people have to look at and touch? Come on now, guy. Yes! Come on now, guy. Oh, I love that. Oh, bravo. We're like a front row seat to his internal dialogue here. I like that. See how fun this is? Yeah, Dakota Mike, bravo. Nicely done. I'm going to give you not only a passing grade, but... Pop it out. Yeah, absolutely. You get an A in my book there. Those aren't inflated straight down the middle scores. That is a genuine A. Nicely done, my friend. You know, maybe do some breathing techniques there. A little Kama Sutra. Oh, no, that's not Kama Sutra. Well, you can do that to relieve a little stress. I was thinking about yoga, not Kama Sutra. Man. Well, Downward Dog is, let's be fair, I think it was first seen in Kama Sutra. but uh it was just me oh no dakota mike take a chill pill i could i could feel it brewing there buddy dakota mike he's so north he's almost canadian that's how you canadians do it like hey right in my butt there guy hey maybe watch it there you might want to break up a little bit yeah politely you know not to yeah not to start a commotion but uh yeah maybe some coffee we can talk about it. Let's pull over here. And the Tim Hortons parking lot. We can work this out. I don't appreciate it, but hey, guy, I'm open to your thoughts regarding how tightly you were packed into my ass there. Craig Bobby. I'm too close to this. I feel like I can't even imitate it because I'm like, how do I... I can. I do it all the time on the top block, please. Absolutely. I do Bush. And you thought it was old man ain't gone dead. Not today. Not today, Craig Bobby. It's the pinball market trends. I like the disgust at the end. Maybe that was too loud. No, it's never too loud. This is too loud. All right, ladies and gentlemen, that was episode 16 of the pinball show with yours truly, with Dennis Creasel, with John Ehrlich, and with Craig Bobby. Shake and bake, baby. Anytime, Zach. Happy to be here. This is great. If you want to reach out to the Pinball Show, you can do so by emailing thepinballnetwork at gmail.com. Follow us on Facebook, if you dare. Follow us on YouTube. Rate us on iTunes, your favorite review catcher. I like saying that. Website, thepinballnetwork.net. Or you can email Dennis. you know where to find him on his you know the other dennis where are you where are you dennis yeah dennis din din we know you're in there one day i hope that dennis is over for dinner and i can say din din din din we're having your favorite black eyed peas and baklava or whatever shit he eats kale wrapped asparagus i picture dennis to be a real like it's steak and potatoes it's pretty right down the middle. That's too yummy for him. Picture anything that's bitter. Like black licorice and old bread or something. That's just what I picture him eating. And he nibbles on it like a pea soup. A pea soup and a chunk of bread. Yeah, pea soup and he dips it. And he's like, oh, so satisfying. Just email Dennis at EGP for the love of God. We love you, Dennis. I do love that man. Way more than he'll ever love me. Also check us out at straight down the middle of pinball show where i myself and greg bone they we just did a new episode episode 109 a stranger things review yes check that out that was really that was really well done and i've got to point you guys over to a piece done by this american pinball joshua jacobs he did an episode on the first reactions on teenage mutant ninja turtles and he also has included another rendition of inside the podcaster studio he did the initial one with dennis creasel He did this one with myself, and I will say in all seriousness, it was a very real interview. And I spoke and discussed a lot of things, pretty deep stuff in there. So, yeah, for another side of me, a more intellectual and psychologically minded side, I give a lot of opinions. You got that side of you? It's in there, baby. Jeez. It's in there. It's usually nine to five, but it's in there. Wow. Uh-huh. Have fun on the weekends. Woo! But yeah, go over to This American Pinball, check that episode out, give me some feedback. Also, if you're looking for a brand new pinball machine, you're ready for some turtles. And who isn't? I mean, come on, and you're not in Canada, then call us at Flip N Out Pinball. You can go to FlippinOutPinball.com, email me at Zach, Z-A-C-H, at Flipp, the letter N, OutPinball.com, or call me on the telephono, 812-457-9711, or get you an Escalera. If you need to get the turtles up or down some stairs across the football field, Escalera it is. Up the side of a mountain. Escalera can do it. If you're in Canada, yeah, we'll Escalera that thing up. Yoddy, yoddy, yoddy, yoddy, yoddy, yoddy. Isn't that how you guys get to work? Pretty much, yeah. Is that Switzerland? I don't know maps. A lot of cool stuff from the Pinball Network this past week and a lot more cool stuff this following week. We still didn't make those TPN streaming affiliate announcements. Those are still coming, as well as just another Pinball Podcast, Episode 3. Hopefully, fingies are crossed for Craig Bobby to be jumping in at some point, giving us a beautiful rendition of maybe the midweek show. Check your local listings. Oh, yeah. A little shout-out there. We'll see. The producers are hard at work up here. Maybe it's a year from now. Who knows? But maybe it's coming. Be patient, everybody. Just be patient. We're also going to get another episode of Orby's Top 3. And speaking of Orby, if you guys have not checked out the Pinball Nerds podcast, holy moly. Wow, is he on fire. A couple strong takes this last week, a couple episodes ago. Wowzers. I love it. I'm not going to lie. I love it. Go check that episode now for hashtag woke, hashtag truth. And make sure to donate and help to Jack Bar. For Craig Bobby and Dennis Creasel, I am Zach Many. Always practice safe pinball, Zach No, wait, wait You don't get to do that yet Give them an inch and they take a mile Did I step in it a little bit? Damn Always practice safe pinball It doesn't even feel as good anymore, damn it And Jack Barr up Catch you on the flip side Also training up this week Are bugs, just bugs in general Not just bugs in general. What were the bugs? What were you trying to do with bugs? _(Acquisition: groq_whisper, Enrichment: v3)_ --- *Exported from Journalist Tool on 2026-04-13 | Item ID: fe9038a0-507f-4a6c-88c3-fabac2eb7f0b*