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Episode 75: GNR BABY!!! Let's talk about it!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Oct 7, 2020
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TL;DR

Poor Man's Pinball deep-dive analysis of Jersey Jack Pinball's Guns N' Roses reveal.

Summary

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast episode dedicated to Jersey Jack Pinball's newly revealed Guns N' Roses machine. Hosts conduct a detailed visual analysis of the game's art, layout, sculpts, lighting systems, and cabinet design across Standard, Limited Edition, and Collectors Edition variants. Discussion covers the game's impressive 600-LED lighting count, innovative pick spinners, hand-drawn skeleton artwork, and diffused light rail technology inspired by Pin Stadium Lights' success.

Key Claims

  • Guns N' Roses Standard Edition costs $6,750, while Limited Edition is $9,100

    high confidence · Hosts discussing pricing during game analysis segment

  • The game features hand-drawn skeleton artwork as the design approach

    high confidence · Host noting they 'nailed' the skeleton rumor based on visual inspection of revealed images

  • Guns N' Roses includes 600 LEDs on the Collectors Edition, approximately 300+ on Standard, and ~400 on Limited Edition

    medium confidence · Host reading from press release details during lights discussion, acknowledging rounding approximations

  • Jersey Jack Pinball's new factory in Chicago may improve parts availability for locations

    medium confidence · Chat member Kerry Hardy suggestion; host speculating on potential impact of new factory

  • The game features pick spinners as a unique mechanical element

    high confidence · Hosts noting this is innovative and hasn't been done before on band games despite decades of band-themed pinball releases

  • Pin Stadium Lights' product success influenced Jersey Jack Pinball's design decision to include light rails

    high confidence · Extended discussion about diffused lighting systems and how successful aftermarket products drive manufacturer design choices

  • The game's artwork is comparable to Jeremy Packer's style and ranks in top 5-10% of all pinball machines

    medium confidence · Host opinion during art evaluation segment

  • Waka machines have had supply/parts availability issues affecting location distribution

    medium confidence · Chat discussion noting that locations have been pulling Waka games due to slow parts availability

  • Slash's top hat is selected as a sculpt because it's one of the most iconic pieces of rock and roll history

    high confidence · Host explaining design choice and cultural significance of the hat

Notable Quotes

  • “I don't understand where the ball goes. It's a lot of the shots were overhead shots.”

    Host (unnamed co-host Drew) @ ~20:00 — Highlights challenge in assessing playfield layout from promotional images; visual complexity may obscure ball routing clarity

  • “Are you kidding me? It's so easy. And, I mean, they've been making these, you know, band games for quite a while now.”

    Host (main host) @ ~35:00 — Commenting on innovation of pick spinners; expresses surprise this feature wasn't implemented earlier despite long history of band-themed machines

  • “You see that hat, and you know instantly who it belongs to. Like, my mom, my mom is the most Leave It to Beaver type of person in the world. She knows who Slash is because of his hat.”

    Host (main host) @ ~45:00 — Explains cultural significance of design choice; Slash's hat as universal symbol transcending casual fandom

  • “It's 'in there' or similar interjection my daughter's Easy Bake Oven.”

    Host (Pete Quint reference) @ ~50:00 — Humorous aside about heating capacity of 600 LEDs; reflects on power/heat generation of extensive LED lighting systems

  • “600? Yeah. No, it's Papa Duke cool. It is Papa Duke crazy.”

    Hosts (both) @ ~48:00 — Reaction to LED count specification; characterizes lighting spec as exceptionally ambitious

  • “This poor man. This guy. This motherfucker. Oh, I can't even see my Jersey Jack Pinball artwork next to my Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.”

    Host (main host, mocking Drew) @ ~30:00 — Running joke about Drew's collection density and inability to display cabinet art; reflects common collector challenge

  • “Jersey Jack always doing the family friendly right? Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory and hot rail or a specific hole mechanism dialed in and Pirates of the Caribbean, right?”

    Host (Drew) @ ~40:00 — Notes Jersey Jack's consistent design philosophy and track record of high-quality mechanical implementation

Entities

Guns N' RosesgameJersey Jack PinballcompanyStern PinballcompanyFlippin' Out PinballcompanyPoor Man's Pinball PodcastorganizationPin Stadium LightscompanyZach SharpepersonMatt Scott

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Waka location distribution hampered by slow parts availability; new Jersey Jack factory in Chicago may address similar supply chain challenges

    medium · Chat member Kerry Hardy: 'if they can provide parts faster to people, it'll help them get on locations. That is one of the reasons people have been pulling them from certain places'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Strong positive reception to Guns N' Roses reveal among podcast chat participants; multiple comments expressing excitement and readiness to discuss machine

    high · Chat participation: 'Brian Cosner, Guns N' Roses looks impressive', 'Jonathan Hall, I'm hoping more people post photos', 'Rachel' and multiple viewers joining live discussion

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Guns N' Roses pricing at $6,750 (Standard) positioned below Stern Premium Edition baseline, suggesting aggressive market positioning strategy

    medium · Host comparison: 'This one is less than a Stern Premium Edition... It's like 9100... That's a huge... jump'

  • ?

    design_innovation: Pick spinners implemented as mechanical feature on Guns N' Roses; hosts note this innovation absent from prior band-themed pinball machines despite decades of band games in the market

    high · Host expressing surprise: 'How come no one made pick spinners before? That's a good idea, man... It's so easy... been making these band games for quite a while now'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Jersey Jack Pinball maintains consistent brand identity emphasizing sculpted elements, mechanical complexity, and family-friendly themes across releases (Willy Wonka, Pirates of the Caribbean, Guns N' Roses)

Transcript

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The Poor Man's Pinball Podcast is sponsored by Flippin' Out Pinball, Get Your New Shinies by Zach and Nicole, many themselves.
0:10
What does Stern have to offer right now? Jesus, everything it seems, but get your hands on a beautiful Avengers, get your hands on a beautiful Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, you can still get JJP's Jurassic Park, and And you can also get Jersey Jack pinballs, guns and roses, which we're going to talk about all day today because today was a special reveal from Jersey Jack themselves. So who else? Pin shades, the stylish eyewear to help you track balls. That's not a sick joke. I'm just telling you what it does. It helps eliminate the glare on the field. What glare, you might ask? Pin stadium lights. They're just blaring. You know you can turn down pin stadium lights, right? It doesn't have to be a spotlight in your cabinet. That's like the number one complaint. I never understood it. But our sponsors, Penn Stadium Lights, were awesome enough to give us a pair to give out to one of you guys. And that was Andrew Payne, the lucky winner. Check out the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast fan page. And he posted some awesome before and after pictures. He did a great job. Thank you, Andrew Payne. And thank you, Scott, over at Penn Stadium Lights. Also sponsored by TWIP. We stole 100% of the content of this podcast from This Week in Pinball. So go over to Jeff, tell him you love him, maybe even drop a review for the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. I haven't even looked in a while to see where we're at. Last time I checked, we were third, second. I'm sure we're number one now. Loser Kid Podcast showed up. Yeah, without verifying. Still the number one Twip-related pinball podcast. The number one live sloppy pinball show on the internet. And last but not least, it's pinballprices.com. um one of the coolest websites to check out it's very fast very easy to use and it makes a lot of sense to me uh doc over there he literally chronicles every sale pinball sale he can verify and what it went for so if you are looking for a you know a price on a game or what you should sell your game at what will it sell at not what you want but what it will sell at uh it's a great great reference um i think once a week i always have to correct somebody who's trying to make a fortune on pinball to say nobody check out pinballprices.com it's only worth three grand so go fuck yourself so pinballprices.com are those boner biceps in your pants or are you just happy to see me oh wait what i mean by that of course is this is four men's pinball podcast Brought to you by Kessler, Dick Waits, Black Holes, Boner Biceps.

  • The Limited Edition has a poster-style cabinet art while Standard Edition uses cartoony art

    high confidence · Hosts comparing cabinet art variants during visual analysis

  • “If you came out with your own version of Penn Stadium, would that not just piss people off because you're clearly ripping off one of the smaller guys?”

    Host (main host) @ ~52:00 — Ethical business consideration; tension between innovation and avoiding appearance of copying successful aftermarket products

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    high · Host noting: 'Jersey Jack always doing the family friendly right? Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory... Pirates of the Caribbean... they put two sexy ladies on the plastics on the slings'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Jersey Jack Pinball deliberately uses skeleton artwork instead of realistic character representations to achieve timeless aesthetic that avoids dated animations (compared to early Stern Aerosmith animations)

    high · Host noting 'very smart idea' and preference for skeletons over 'cartoony version of Axl Rose'; comparison to Aerosmith animation limitations

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    market_signal: Guitars, frets, drumsticks, and stage mechanics visible in game layout; upper playfield confirmed; ramps on each side; extensive playfield furniture suggests high complexity design

    high · Host describing visible layout elements: 'there's a guitar... the frets... drumsticks... a stage... upper play field... ramps on each side'

  • ?

    announcement: Jersey Jack Pinball officially reveals Guns N' Roses pinball machine with three editions (Standard $6,750, Limited Edition $9,100, Collectors Edition pricing not specified) featuring hand-drawn skeleton artwork, 600 LEDs (CE), pick spinners, and integrated LCD display

    high · Episode dedicated to analyzing official reveal video and press release; hosts discuss multiple design elements with visual reference to promotional materials

  • ?

    product_strategy: Guns N' Roses explicitly tiered across three editions with significant LED count variance: Standard (~250-300 LEDs), Limited Edition (+~100 LEDs), Collectors Edition (600 LEDs total)

    high · Hosts discussing LED specifications: 'standard starts with something like 200, 250, something like that. Then the LED jumps up like Blackwater 100... And the in it goes up Tee'd Off 600 LEDs for the CE'

  • ?

    product_concern: Playfield layout clarity concerns; promotional images with overhead shots make ball routing and shot sequence difficult to discern visually

    medium · Host: 'I don't understand where the ball goes. It's a lot of the shots were overhead shots... the artwork doesn't lend to clear paths where the ball goes'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Jersey Jack Pinball incorporates diffused light rail system inspired by Pin Stadium Lights' commercial success, suggesting aftermarket product success drives manufacturer design innovation

    high · Extended discussion of how Matt Scott's Pin Stadium Lights product 'wildly successful' and 'selling tons and tons' influenced jersey Jack decision to implement similar lighting philosophy with their own 'light rails from the bottom'

    • 2:51
    Boner Biceps! Dick Waits. Thank you everybody, thank you. Alright, so welcome to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, episode number 75? 75, we didn't really tout it, but it's a celebration. Episode number 75, the sloppiest show on the internet and on Facebook. So Drew, how you doing buddy? I'm doing wonderful. Yeah. I'm back from vacation. Nice. You were on vacation. Last week. Yeah, cool. And just before we get started today, I want to apologize to everyone who watched me eat moon pies last week like a wild animal.
    3:27
    Go check it out on the Poor Man's Pinball podcast page. After our live show last week, we did a moon pie taste test from one of our, what is that, Chris Chandler sent them to us? tri-member chris chandler i believe right oh the moon pies yeah no no those were sent to us by steve johnson oh steve johnson yeah chris chandler sent us the beaver nuggets oh that's right which won the night by the way they did by far the best ian and i consumed so much fucking sugar we felt like oh yeah i thought like we drank a lot that day but i was hung over from sugar it was a sugar it was weird it was always after halloween we always drink a lot on monday nights And we usually feel halfway decent on Tuesdays, but not last Tuesday. That was brutal. My favorite comment of the night was Zach Menny poked in at about 11 o'clock, and he goes, what did I just click on? What am I watching? What a waste of my life at 11 p.m. or whatever he said. And then like, what, are these guys stoned? Nope, just really drunk. Nope, this is how it works. I'll show my grandma that episode. Oh, really? She loved it. Yeah, she loved it. You know, it starts with hot sauce, right? We tried a little bit of hot sauce, and then it went from the hot sauce to we taste tested, what, Oktoberfest beer? Yeah, we did that the week before. Yeah, hot sauce two weeks ago, then Oktoberfest beer. You can check all these out on our page. All the live videos are there for you guys to watch. Yeah, Moon Pies. We did some Moon Pies, and I feel like I'm missing one.
    4:59
    I don't remember. I think that was it. I don't remember either. But there you go. So last week was moon pies. Never again.
    5:08
    Thanks, Steve Johnson. I can't believe it's not banana. Dude, that was second place, bro. All right. I thought it was pretty good. Oh, it was awesome. The banana was good. No, a couple of them were really good. I mean, actually, I'll tell you what. None of them were really good. Well, we said that the chocolate one was pretty good. But the rest of them were whatever. All right. So who's out there in chat today? We got to take a look at everybody and say hi. All right. We got Rachel. What up, Rachel? Oh, man, everyone's ready to rock and roll. We're all ready to talk Guns N' Roses. Well, Drew and I worked really hard this week, or today, I should say. Not so much this week. Hoping not to work hard this week. But, Drew, did you get a chance to look at the Guns N' Roses? Yeah, so I thought today we would just talk about George Gomez's new video that he just put out. Yeah, the heavy metal? Yes. You guys want to talk heavy metal? No, I'm talking about his, just talking about the Stern Spike System. Yeah, well, heavy metal stuff is pretty good. Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Hope you guys did your homework. You better believe it, Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. Of course we did. Do we ever come to a show unprepared?
    6:18
    Brian Cosner, GNR looks impressive. Ryan Utick, I mean, I'm a double in already. Does that count? Apparently none of the locations in Atlanta are going to get one. Aw. Jonathan Hall, I'm hoping more people post photos of the game today because there's not enough.
    6:36
    I think that's sarcasm. Yeah, no shit, dude. There's a lot. There's a lot of what up dudes. Rachel, hello. Hi, Rachel. Tony, hello, guys. Jinn are boom. Tony, what up, brother? That video was cool. All right, so Drew, what you drinking today, buddy? I am drinking Poor Man's Pinball Podcast Whiskey and Coke Zero because I can't have any more sugar or I'm going to die of a diabetic coma. So there you go. I can't believe you wasted one of our stickers on a Kessler's bottle. Those things are way more expensive than a Kessler's bottle of booze.
    7:18
    That's a true story. But you would have cleared that or you would have wanted that by me? I would not have cleared that. I would have said no. Don't you dare touch those. Those are collector items. That's why I put shit up here before you come down. Yeah, that's it. I just do this shit. But one more quick shout out. So we were talking about people that sent us stuff. This was that Pendleton rye that our buddy Ryan Utech sent us. And this is what we finished almost the entire bottle of before those damn moon pies. Ugh. Pendleton was good. The moon pies were not. Okay. Yes. So, well, thank you very much for that. And very good. Very good. Delicious. Very good. What are you drinking, sir? Today I am going to, I think I'm topping off the field notes, the organic vodka with a little bit of Red Bull. Because, like we said earlier, worked my ass off today. Fucking tired. So, we're going to get this going, though.
    8:07
    I did spend quite a bit of time, the last 15 minutes, looking at GNR stuff. Formulating an opinion of sorts. Trying to. We don't have to do wild speculation. We have actual stuff. You know what I noticed right away was that the play field had hand-drawn art. They were in skeleton form. I think we nailed that rumor. That's right. Oh, we got to go back to that rumor. Those rumors. That's about it. That was the only one we nailed, huh? No, I don't know. Oh, we had live music. That was going to be on the video. Yeah, I think everyone. We nailed that. We nailed it. Nailed it. Yes. Not everyone expected that. No. Not with Slash being part of it. No.
    8:51
    But before we kind of get into the deep dive, thank you, This Week in Pinball. Thanks, Jeff. Yeah. Stealing his words now, too. Thank you.
    9:03
    What was your just overall impression? You see this game and you say... I saw... I was like, what is this?
    9:13
    That was it? I could... The pictures, like, it's so hard to tell what the hell is going on in that game. You mean the shots or? Always point that right at your throat. It drives me nuts.
    9:28
    Jesus Christ. Always picking up after me. So, no, I was like, what the hell is this? This is crazy. Because when I looked at it, I was like, I don't understand where the ball goes. It's a lot of the shots were overhead shots. And what were some of your initial words? A couple of words. Wow. Looks great. This looks great. We'll dive a little deeper, but yeah, I think the game looks really good.
    9:54
    I do agree with you, though. Yeah, I was trying to follow the ball path on some of those things and see, but maybe there's some new stuff in there that we don't know about. Yeah, I don't want to say it's too packed or too busy, but the artwork doesn't lend to clear paths where the ball goes.
    10:15
    The artwork is kind of cool as shit. Don't get me wrong. and there's a lot there um and i'm sure once we see this game being streamed and if you're in front of it or if you're in person you know with that game i'm sure you'll be able to understand a little bit better but until then hey jesse j jesse j's in chat hey jesse so yeah it's one of those things where uh it'll be interesting to see i would love to see this in person i'm worried though that i might never see this in person oh you will where we barely can get a waka on location and that was supposed to be priced for a location this is not this one's cheaper it's like 9100 the standard is 6750 we'll get into that well what's what was waka standard 7500 yeah so this one is less than a stern premium so that's a hell of a jump mm-hmm jesus uh no the standard le is 9500 i know yeah so that's it's a huge no it's it is a huge all right we're gonna get into it so why don't we why don't we go through the slideshow and we'll just should we just go through our do you have any formats personal news you want to talk about remember vacation all week remember last week how i said i'm finally gonna button up meteor i did yeah i did i still need get the powder coat done i've been lagging on that the guy i gotta drive it to the guy and right whatever but uh i got it all kind of up and functional and and ready to go so now it's just uh now it's just the trim powder coat so i'm excited about that we'll be coming back in the house soonish nice i did get some stuff done during the during the week that was it i mean i didn't spend a ton of time on it spend some time with the family but uh yeah that's that's my pinball news and uh you know after today now i gotta decide what i want to sell and what i want to buy next so we'll get into that a little bit later though what to do oh yeah when do you want to get into that when we talk gnr are you gonna get a gnr i don't know yet okay yeah i'm not find out i'm i'm not over the moon about it yet but we gotta see it shoot right have more words definitely words Damn words. Lots of words put together. That's what I do.
    12:31
    My news is I've been playing. Thank you for the few hundred people that come and watch my stream of Pinball FX3. Joking, it's not. It's like five people. But we get 100 comments each time, and it's been absolutely fun. We were playing Circus Voltaire. We were playing a little bit of Tales of Arabian Nights. We even dove into some of the weird boards on there, some of the weird pinball games. So I want to be a sponsor. I want them to sponsor our show so we can keep doing more of that because it's fun. It's cheap. It's very poor man style. And if you haven't visited our streams on Thursday and Friday nights, well, it'll probably be Friday and Saturday nights. Definitely check those out because I think I'm going to do that as a regular thing because I enjoy playing it and I enjoy chatting with people and I drink a lot of beer. So it's a lot of fun. So that's our Poor Man's Pinball Podcast on live Facebook. Love it. Facebook Live. And soon we'll be taking stars once again. Yeah, whatever. I don't know. I don't know what's going on with that. We should have had stars like two days ago. It's fine. We're over it. Sorry, Kerry Hardy chimed in here. Yeah, Kerry, what up, buddy? He said we were talking about not having them on location, not a lot of wonkas. And he said if they can provide parts faster to people, it'll help them get on locations. that is one of the reasons people have been pulling them from certain places getting parts takes a long time so that's an interesting take that you know maybe well we saw that walk-on location that was down yeah that is true so i guess if they uh you know have have their new factory in chicago maybe they can do that better right so there you go interesting all right let's get into this let's get into guns and roses poor man's pinball podcast personal deep dive into guns and roses welcome to the jungle are we are we jumping on the night train i don't know i don't know i don't know any of these things these references you you kids called are we partying with mr brownstone oh man it's looking to be a slideshow and i don't know how you even want to approach this drew but let's uh let's just kind of start with let's do what we always do start with art and work our way down all right so this is the art package right now as i can see it as i live and breathe i think this is one of the coolest art packages that came out of jersey jack it's busy as shit though um they got all sorts of things going on but i am i'm actually really really in love with the art package all three versions are great how does this art compare to the entire pinball landscape
    15:09
    It's up there with, I don't even know who did this art package. Do we know? I think everyone kept alluding to it's the same guy that's been on board for a while. Really? Yep. We can double check that. If anyone has any chime-ins, please chime in. Are you on our mail?
    15:26
    Do you have our email by chance or no? Yeah, sure. Because Ken Crabble gave us a press release. Maybe we should check into the press release first. How about that? This is all part of the poor man's preparation process. We're going to read the press release here. What other podcast is going to do live research on the air?
    15:47
    Oh, man, that's a lot of words, dude. It is words. I'm not reading these words. So many fucking words. I'm sure it has all the answers to our questions, but it's just not going to happen today, folks. All right, let's keep going. Let's keep going. That was stupid. What a waste of time. Wasting your time once again. All right, so Art, yeah, I think the art looks great. I think it compares to a zombie Yeti art package. It reminds me a little bit like it. What do you think? Yeah, no, I think that as far as art goes, it's definitely in the top five or 10% of all pinball machines. It's very well done. I do like the timeless look of the skeletons. It's a smart idea to do it that way. I mean, could you just imagine, you know, like, like think about the, the Aerosmith animations, right well that game is great i love aerosmith um you know i've said before those animations and those are some of stern's first so i get it left a little to be desired if they would have went that route and did like a cartoony version of axl rose i wouldn't have dug it right so so i think their choice of the skeletons was very good and yes it is very busy but um i think there's a lot of cool stuff on there so yeah it's something you'll be able to stare at for a long time yeah Yeah, and just find cool things in there. I'm sure there's Easter eggs hidden in there. I'm sure there's a lot of cool stuff. So, yeah, there's nothing wrong with the art. I think it's top tier. And, you know, before we go any further, Eric Minier, Pat Lawler, Ken Cromwell, Team JJP, lots of people I'm sure worked very hard on this, the men and women over there. Great job. Yeah, absolutely. Just a great package. It looks incredible. What do you think, Cotton? Sorry.
    17:37
    We'll see how it plays out. All right. So guns and roses. So, yeah, solid art. I mean, obviously, you know, if we were giving this thing cheese slices, you know, it's a 25, 26 cheese slices. It's definitely going to be a lot of cheese slices. So those cheese slices are going to rain down for the art. No, because we're not on the main page. Oh, well. Cheese slices be damned. Yeah. Not today, kids. Yeah. So now, Chris Chandler, at least Axl looks skinny as a skeleton. Touche. Yeah, all the heroin and cocaine will just drip right off those bones, baby. It's much healthier. We can obviously look at shots and layout. I mean, we don't know how it shoots, but you can kind of see the layout. What are your thoughts on that?
    18:24
    Again, I don't know how it shoots. I don't know the layout. Even though I'm looking at the goddamn machine, I still have no idea what the layout is. so drew why don't you take this one because i would give the layout at the as it stands right now a one cheese slice because i have no idea how it shoots well i would love to play it yeah i'm like there's like uh you know there's a guitar there's like the frets yeah it's like the drumsticks there's a lot there's a stage i don't know how all the how the ball interacts with any of these no it looks great certainly don't there's an upper play field which drew and i were like where is it yeah it is yeah you're looking at this thing and your eye keeps going around looking at different things you're like that's cool and this is cool and the other thing's cool and um but what i like is you know it has it has a ramp on each side it looks like um you have that um i didn't talk about cabinet art by the way it's showing up the limited edition i saw the standard was go back the standard was pretty cartoony there you go and then what did you think about the uh poster art on the le i don't like it for an le well it's okay i guess i don't like the cartoony one okay not a big fan of the standard but the le is better and uh so you like all the posters on there yeah it's kind of cool yeah if you're a fan of gnr it's kind of like a graffiti look just kind of got them plastered on there yeah i think it is it is kind of the back glass looks good they integrated the back glass art with the big screen tv i feel like the the whole presentation of that lcd monitor usually in the past i feel like the lcd monitor takes up the entire back box but for whatever reason this one seems to be a little bit more integrated in there with the art and it all kind of comes together as a kind of a cool little package i i agree yep there it is um yeah i think uh i think it's very cohesive um i do agree with you about as much as i like cartoony art on a lot of things. Yeah, the standard I'm just not a big fan of. But, you know, I'm not huge on cabinet art for the most part because my games are in rows. I mean, obviously, I appreciate my games are in rows. I got so many games you can never see the sides of them. This poor man. This guy.
    20:44
    Poor man Drew is at it again. This motherfucker. Oh, I can't even see my JJP artwork next to my turtles. It's just a bitch to be Drew.
    20:53
    Bitter much? Ooh, that's the CE, right? Yeah. The one in the middle there? Yeah, that's kind of cool. No, the CE does look really cool. It looks sharp. All right, I like the CE the best. And I found out something really neat about the topper on the way over here, which I'll share when we get to that. Nice. Topper news.
    21:12
    So you know what? You're right. I mean, we don't know how this game shoots, but what we do know is there is a lot of freaking lights in this thing. Yeah, there is. We just saw the piano keys. They light up. They got some inserts. Now we're looking at the stage lights with that screen.
    21:28
    That's cool. And here's a nice touch, and I can't believe that no mods have ever come out like this. Maybe they have, and I apologize. I haven't seen them. I own Metallica. I own Iron Maiden. How come no one made pick spinners before?
    21:41
    That's a good idea, man. That's another good idea. When I read that, I just had one of those Homer Simpson dough moments, right? Dough! I'm just like, are you kidding me? It's so easy. Yeah, it's so easy. And, I mean, they've been making these, you know, band games for quite a while now. Well, guess what's available now at Measle Mods? Yeah. Picks for every band game. Why not? Yeah, I get it. I mean, it's just such a silly thing that it looks so good. So, anyways. All right, so we're off track. But back to the art. Can we talk sculpts? Yeah. I'm looking at Axel there on some pound of skulls. and then we got the symbols on the pops there, which are pretty badass. And the sculpts is part of this art package. You know, you have the stage lights. I'm still going to consider that part of the art package because it's like an artsy kind of thing. Isn't that funny? We're so used to not having sculpts now, we don't even talk about them. Well, I don't want to name any names, but someone's a stern fanboy here, and those games are amazing. But then you get a game like this, you're like, oh, yeah, that's right. People put shit in games still. trust me nobody likes me right now for you guys for you guys listening at home that groan was me hanging my head in shame it's not shame it's not oh dirty robot versus player three hey i put my own sculpts in games they're called dolls they're called dolls yes amazon loves you they do yeah and for for people out there who you know make fun of guys like me who put dolls in your games then they they might go and buy something like this and they're like well that's stock so whatever yeah it came with dolls dolls included yeah so now it's cool all of a sudden way cool how about these hot rails uh-oh we're skipping all over the place have we done well yeah the sculpts are great yeah they look fantastic yeah i i'm sorry i'm just getting into the the picture show here um but no the sculpts i think look fan fucking tast and and obviously we knew this was going to be the case, but J always doing the family friendly right You know Wonka and Habit dialed in in and and pirates of the caribbean right yeah and they put two sexy ladies on the plastics on the slings yeah well you know so good job didn't get by me i saw them sexy ladies nothing gets by drew no no especially when it's sexy ladies so i just wanted to point that out I thought it was kind of cool. But yeah. Oh, my God. The total art package is very, very high up. Yeah, 26, 30. 30 cheese slices. I'd go 30 on it. It's worth it. My only, like I said, it's a small nitpick. Like I said, maybe a little too busy, you know. But all in all, I mean, it's great. Yeah, I mean, that's just kind of your, like, opinion, dude. just sort of like an opinion it's just like your opinion man and it's okay to have it but the more poor man's pinball podcast whiskey i drink the more opinions i form it's opinion juice that's our uh kessler commercial all right so oh and the top hat sculpt we didn't even talk about the tap oh we missed the best part okay keep well yeah another sculpt uh it's a top hat kids well where are where the fuck are these mod where's the mod cup bull ear mods where are they going to put mods on this thing you know what they're not seriously like this you know what they there's not one flat fucking place they're gonna hang on they're gonna sell you an 80 feather to put in that top hat and that's about they make those cool marshall stacks for like metallica and stuff so they'll be able to sell those and for the standard that doesn't have a couple of those things they'll make some mods but with that being said so slash's hat as everyone may or may not know most people know i'm sure you know that's literally one of the most iconic pieces of like rock history right yep because like you see that hat and you know instantly who it belongs like my mom my mom is the most leave it to beaver miss cleaver person in the world she knows who slash is in his hat you know it's just the way it is it's just it's he's such an iconic character in in the rock world So very, very cool.
    26:02
    So what's next after art, sir? Going back to the lights. Now we can talk about the lights and all the awesome lights. Let's talk about lights. Yeah, sorry about that. No, that's fine. So according to the press release that Ian didn't want to read because he's freaking lazy. Ah!
    26:19
    Chris Chandler Kessler, more like Bessler. Ah, wait. Thanks, Chris. I see what you did there, Chris. The standard – so in each version of this game, they added significantly more lights.
    26:35
    So I'm going to get this wrong because I'm rounding here. I spelled courtesy. C-O-U-R-T-E. Forget it. I'm just going to go from – stolen from Twip. From Jeff.
    26:50
    You should just write, sorry, Jeff. anyways i'm drunk typing photos stolen from this week so so on the on the standard edition there's something like pretty funny actually i don't know three three hundred lights let's say it's somewhere between 250 and 300 uh leds then on the um the le they add like 100 leds and then And the CE has 600 LEDs. Wait, say that again? 600 what? So the standard starts with something like 200, 250, something like that. Then the LED jumps up like 100 or something in number of LEDs. And then it goes up to 600 LEDs for the CE. That's like insanity. Yeah, that's awesome. I mean, you know, obviously they're counting the ones on the rails and stuff. But even still, 600 LED lights. That is just preposterous. I mean, we always wanted more lights, which I get, but 600? Yeah. No, it's pretty cool. It is pretty crazy. Yeah, I think JJP definitely, like, they tend to do that, especially with the LEDs. They tend to go big.
    27:58
    Well, because they never settle for just your standard LEDs. Like Wonka, they did the micro LEDs. And it looks like this game might have some of those, which is very cool. Yeah, they brought that back. Brian Cosner says, wait until Deep Root comes out with 6,000 LEDs on Raza. The best LEDs you'll ever see, Raza. They're magical. No LEDs are as good as my LEDs. You can heat your house with 600 LED lights, Pete Quint. Yes, yes, you can. It's in my daughter's Easy Bake Oven. So, yeah, you're looking here at the JJP Hot Rails. Obviously, that's part of the system. The lightsabers, bro. What do you think about those? That's an interesting, they're a diffused light system. Well, Scott from Penn Stadium has been so wildly successful with his product. Yes. Right? Yes, he has. And any pinball company that hasn't noticed that won't be in business very long. Because when you're in business, you need to notice what people buy, right? You're in the business of selling entertainment and stuff to consumers. So you see this product that he's been out for several years now. selling tons and tons of them. So you're a pinball company, and you're like, we either need to figure out how to partner with this guy or figure out how to do it ourselves. Yeah, do it different. Do it different or the same, whatever. Well, not just to rip them off, but just to – Sure, sure. But he's selling something people want. Well, it's tricky, though, right? You don't want to piss off the masses, and Scott's got a following now with the Penn Stadium Lights. And if you came out with your own version of Penn Stadium, would that not just piss people off because you're clearly ripping off one of the smaller guys? Yes. This is the Walmart trying to sell Girl Scout cookies but name them something else thing all over again. No, that's an interesting take. So if you can do it your own way, your own version, like here you had the light rails from JJP. Now we're talking about diffused lighting from the bottom versus spotlights from the top, you know, lights shining down on the playfield. versus something that's going to be kind of illuminated in a different way. It's going to be from the bottom kind of going up, so therefore the games are designed with these light rails. And moving forward, I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't keep those light rails in every game. Oh, I'm sure if this thing sells as well as I think it's going to sell because as of this recording, I'm calling it recording, as of this viewing... Do-do-do-do-do! Recording live! Sorry.
    30:36
    supposedly the CEs are entirely sold out, so 500 of them gone. Well, Kaneda bought them all. He bought them all for his friends and family. Did you see that? Yeah. He's like, Kaneda, send it to 123 Maple Street.
    30:49
    That's no one's address. It may be somebody's address. Email us at poormanatrimball at gmail.com. Your address is 123 Maple Street. We will send you a pair of Penn Stadium lights. No, you won't. But if you do get a Guns N' Roses sent to you, could you send it back to us? Because we asked Kaneda first. We'll get a bunch of entries. They'll say, yeah, I do, but my PO box is. Yeah. Anyway, we're all over the place. But, yeah, back to Kaneda.
    31:13
    He's freaking all over the place. Did you see that guy, though? He's like, I just bought a few. I bought the best versions of the best because, you know, I'm the best. He did. I'm going to buy four more just to have. I need something that's going to prop up my bed when I sleep at night. I like how every week I come here, I'm like, today is the day. i'm gonna do the show straight and then we end up on this tangent that's way off over people tune in for the tangents they don't give a shit about our opinions on this game they don't care everyone has their own opinions you know you look at this game and it's like we see i've never seen a game with so many fucking photos and videos and i still don't know how the fuck anything works like what are those drumsticks do how cool are those drumsticks it's a great touch so we they clearly come from another direction uh and this is the upper play field here yes with with the other flipper how the fuck do you get up there so there's uh up here there's a there's a little ramp that takes you up there but then um those are cool i know that that makes sense to me the one thing that makes sense to me in this game um so kevin and the bottom flippers kevin manny from buffalo pinball yeah my boy kevin he kevin posted a picture today he has a gnr le in his house already.
    32:31
    Must be nice. Well, I'm thinking it's part of their launch. Yeah, because he helped launch. Yeah, he had a picture of him standing in his house with the box, and it said GNRLE on it. So I'm sure by tomorrow we're probably going to be seeing a stream. I hope so. That's my guess. Because that is the only way I'm going to be able to understand what is going on in this game. Am I alone out there? Why don't you comment there on Facebook, guys? And Drew, you want to hit up some comments there? Sure. What we're missing? We're missing, so we'll go back a few here.
    33:03
    Jack thinks it'll be hard to stream with those light bars because they face up. Ooh, that's interesting. Maybe you can turn them off.
    33:14
    JJP patented the Hot Rails, says Tony Scudero. Yeah, no, that makes sense. That does make sense. I mean, you have to have your own version. You know, you don't want to blatantly, I don't know what kind of patents Scott has over at Penn Stadiums, but I assume they couldn't get an exact copy of Penn Stadium's in there.
    33:34
    What's that? Don Bonus, game is packed. Hey, Don, what's going on, man? It is definitely packed. And then Chris Hafer has a brick shot. Chris Hafer, send us your brick shot. Brick shot! We'll play that on here.
    33:50
    Oh, Kerry Hardy says the right ramp feeds the drumsticks. That makes sense. You go, there's a little ramp on the right side. and then it feeds to the drumsticks. Prove it, Kerry. Send me a video. Go on YouTube. You can only get on the upper play field if you give Axel favors, says Chris Chandler. Ah!
    34:09
    That might be the best comment of the night. Quote, unquote, favors. Brian Rieger says, listen to Eric's interview on Super Awesome. It'll help understand shot layout. Okay. Eric was on Super Awesome Pinball Show. What was that, a couple days ago? Nice. Yeah, so they interviewed him. I haven't listened to it. Oh, Brian Cosner, Buffalo stream is Wednesday night, people. Wednesday night, so look for the Buffalo pinball stream. Kenny and Kenny. Kevin, Buffalo pinball. Again, we are the most informed pinball podcast. Okay. It's Kevin Manning and Nick Lane. They will be doing Buffalo pinball stream. Well, we know that part. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, just everything else. Tim Lee, I hope the game is packed for 9,500. It is. So you get the game, and you get those favors from Axel or something. Wait, from Axel? Whoa. I don't know. I don't know how this works. I'm not a groupie. Carney Coke.
    35:02
    Maxl Rose. I'll do some things to you. Favors. Tony Scudero trying to get points with Kerry. Kerry is always the best to learn a shot layout. Kerry, call us. We'll talk all about the shot layout. Thank you, sir. Yeah, Kerry. We got to get Kerry on the show. We keep saying that. We do need to get Kerry on the show. One of my favorites. He's like us. One of us. Google God. And now that we said that, he has exited the chat. Weird. Bye, Carrie.
    35:30
    So, yeah. All those compliments were making him uncomfortable. Where were we? Shots, layout, axle blowjobs. Yep, that's it. Yeah, I said it. No, we were talking about it. You said it. You said the BJ word.
    35:42
    Where's our BJ alarm on here? Do we have a BJ alarm? Let's see here. That'll work. Eagle rare, baby. Go back to what? I can't. You can't. It's time. So I saw the one picture of the standard. Now, have you seen how stripped down the standard looks? Now, I know it's three grand less. I get that. So I'm not splitting hairs. I didn't look at that carefully, but I can definitely take a look here, I'm sure. So the guitar upper play field is gone. You don't have the, like, fender part on the left there.
    36:32
    Okay. You know, the light rails aren't there, of course. The drumsticks aren't there. The cymbals aren't there. um it's you know it's it's a bare bones game it still looks great because obviously the playfield art there it is go up nope that was the standard that is so see that that top part so that's where the mod company the mod company is going to be making their money so they still have a sculpt and then i think okay underneath here like there's just targets that you can hit so this is this is kind of maybe you can go under there or something but you can't like get up there These guys aren't watching what we're seeing, but yeah, we're just looking at it right now. Yeah, you can go to This Week in Pinball and check out the pictures. It does. It's definitely a little bit more. It looks like a Stern limited edition. Isn't that funny? No, it does. That would be like a Stern premium, and it's the same price, roughly. It's a little less expensive. So, you know, it's still got the scoop. It's still got the hat. We didn't talk about the spinning disc. Well, that's going to be under Toys and Gimmicks. Oh, okay. Because we're stealing it straight out of... Straight down the middle. Then we've got to put another slide up that says, thanks, Zach. Yeah, I'll write something.
    37:50
    This is for you, Zachariah. Ted Finlay, even my Mario has an upper play field. Okay, I'll trade you my Mario for your Guns N' Roses standard. How's that?
    38:05
    Oh, yes, the standard edition Hot Rails are in white only. Okay. So they have some Hot Rails, but they're white. they're not colored and they don't have quite as many lights it costs extra to get colored leds kids yeah they're expensive i love it oh i love it says photos stolen from this week in pinball hey we always give credit to jeff is that jeff no jeff stop it um so i i don't know i mean i'm i'm really happy that they're pricing a game the way they are.
    38:40
    Hey, man, like I said, if they can get some of these on location, that'd be great, but man, $9,500 would be so cool to have one of those limited editions. Well, this is another one much like Avengers. I don't think you will be as satisfied getting the standard.
    39:00
    Damn. There's some games you can do it. Wonka? I was thinking about getting a standard because i was like that's fine you know i'm okay with that right um you know without the wonka vader but in in this case if i was to get guns and roses they would have to be a limited edition i think it's just a must have what are you guys out there thinking i know we talked to a few guys and a few people were still kind of wishy-washy on this now earlier sorry brian rieger says like pirates of the caribbean standard doesn't have our rgb gi either that's a good point So you're missing out a lot of the RGB stuff, which, you know, I can do without a lot of things in pinball. Like I said, like call-outs to me, some people, like, love call-outs, and I'm like, they're fine. You know, they don't bother me even if they're grading or whatever, but I'm really into lighting. So, like, RGB lighting is a big deal to me. Yeah, part of the reason why Hot Wheels just pops, and I know Canadian is probably somewhere cringing, but I'm – Oh, Oktoberfest, too. I mean, American Pinball does really good with their LEDs. Kaneda, we're comparing Oktoberfest and Hot Wheels to Guns N' Roses. How do you feel about that, pal? Send us an email over at formatspinball at gmail.com. Our phones are just going to start ringing. Kaneda has for the last three nights. I don't know if he's been drunk or what, but he keeps messaging me, and he's like, sell everything. Sell it. You've got to buy a Guns N' Roses. It's like, here's the problem, guys, and maybe you guys in chat will agree with me. Guns N' Roses is a phenomenal-looking game. however it is a guns and roses this really does come down to theme how much do you like guns and roses to spend 9 500 right yep um for a game that's going to have everything you ever want now i can see a guns and roses fan which canada is let's be fair um so it makes sense to him i get it i'd be fucking over the moon if this was a big trouble in little china with this much detail and all this stuff in there you know because i'm a nerd and i love that movie but um but it comes down to is steam and i still am getting messages today about oh you know it looks great it looks amazing eric killed it jjp killed it but it's kind of a lot for a guns and roses well as always you know we we have a little bit of that fomo fear of missing out right because that happens the hype not for 5 000 okay yep 10 000 10 000 just making wild speculation here unlimited limited i don't know what this is unlimited limited editions but once again now that i've become less impulsive believe it or not in the pinball world this week this week hey you just bought a fucking turtles and i haven't bought an avengers ah you can't buy them all watch me uh challenge accepted dude so so now you're like okay 9 500 bucks right what else in pinball can you get for 9 500 almost anything you want right right right so now now the question becomes yes this is the new shiny which drew's into we all drew it loves the new shiny drew's about a shiny i i think this is a great looking game i'm a guns and roses fan but not once yet have i said i'm buying this game right yeah not yet and it might happen but who knows but not yet so my point is so so look at your 9500 and say i can get any stern le i want yeah new or used right just about um i can buy any old restore i can buy a hep restored williams game if i wanted it right you know you could buy like a top tier adams family you could buy a you know indiana jones like indiana jones adventure sure sure i won today great so if i asked you that you would get the indiana jones all day right you can have either one they're about the same price and that's probably gosh he paused yeah it was pretty high on this before i would get indiana jones but okay i guess only because of theme there's way more in this than 90 percent of the maybe 98 percent of the games out there brian rieger selling his tmnt le to get gnr le good for you good choice man you know what if if i was gonna get this game and i have a turtles premium if i was gonna get this game i would probably be debating between um tmnt and jurassic park getting rid of it to get it So, no, that's a solid choice. And then. Like, I'm not actually going to fault anyone for wanting this game. This game looks fucking awesome. It just comes down to, again, to me, it comes down to a theme. Is this a theme that you want? And if it is, I would, if you love Guns N' Roses even a little bit, I think this is a phenomenal, phenomenal. They couldn't do this any better. This is way above and beyond anything I could come up with. Eric's a little bit of a genius, don't you guys think? Oh, absolutely. Just a goddamn genius. Now, fathom this for a GNR fan, right? Oh, yeah. This is like your first new in-box purchase.
    44:27
    You've been saving up money. Maybe you're not incredibly wealthy, but you've been squirreling away money. You're a poor man. Yep, you're squirreling away money, and you tell the wife, hey, I'm buying my first new in-box, and she says okay. Yeah. And you're like, okay, cool. green light baby now now what do i get right and then this shows up that would probably be the ideal situation for this game absolutely even even if you're not a diehard gnr fan and you're just like i kind of like the band i grew up in the 80s and you're like i really want a new inbox pinball machine this would probably be the one absolutely i'll go that far oh fuck yeah i even think if you're just a music fan in general yes yes or if you like music pins yeah if you like rock if you like you know like gnr music pin and i think if you're a pretty hardcore pinball geek that that that just loves different things in pinball you know different shots different layouts this is a pretty crazy layout right yep this is probably something you're going to be interested if you are into um the newest shiny you're going to be interesting you know you got they as with the money they're going to be into this there is a lot of markets here and i wouldn't put this past location play this would be a good location oh it would be a very good location yeah it's bright yeah it's got great artwork yeah even even the standard is it's got a lot going for it i'm gonna say something that's gonna shock all the poor man pinball fans out there poor man so in a couple in a year or six months or eight months when some of these used the le's come up right you know and they will they always do it's just the way it works i would probably choose this unless i see something in gameplay that's like totally out there i would choose this over a metallica premium that is pretty crazy for you man but i would agree because like you know like i said i've been there i've done that i really really enjoy my metallica but all things being equal if i could you know say like i said if i still had it and I could sell my Metallica Premium, put in a little money, and get maybe a used GNR LE.
    46:37
    That's pretty cool. So you have a Jersey Jack pinball. You have spinner picks. Measel mods, are you listening?
    46:47
    Just, yeah, sorry, just floated by. Look at that. I was talking to someone about that. It looks cool because of the headstock, and it's made out of the playfield wood, so it looks like a real headstock. That's just a nice touch. So like I said, just, I don't know. I think it's just really sharp, and I can't wait to see this thing in action. No, I get it, man. But with all that being said, sorry, Kaneda. I don't think this is the second coming. It is for him. He came three times, I think. It's the fourth, third coming for him? For him, it's the third coming, maybe the fourth coming. You know, I just – oh, Therese Edwards asked – oh, Brian Cosman before that. Sorry. I would trade my Beatles gold for a GNR standard. I can see that. And then Therese says, Beatles over GNR? And Tony Squadero agrees So hmm Beatles over GNR So now you can choose a standard GNR or a beatles now we ripping off this or that from straight down the middle here at the poor man pinball podcast nothing original we have no original content nothing at all so yeah you get you get a gnr standard or a beatles gold they're both about the same price they literally yeah within a few hundred of one another. That's a tough choice. That Beatles was a fun game.
    48:05
    And I know Ian likes the Beatles better than he likes GNR. Well, music-wise, I like them both. Therese Edwards, ooh, love that guitar neck. Yes, it's very, very cool. I'm digging it. Sexy. But it wouldn't be on the standard, right? Correct. It wouldn't have. See, that's the fucking problem. Yeah, the standard. It looks great. You got the cool art.
    48:27
    I'd go GNR. Okay. I'd go GNR. What do you guys say out there? I think better resale value in the long run. Yeah. Well, do you think so? I mean, Beatles is holding. They're six grand. You can't get Beatles in the fives. Damn it. Yeah. The Beatles actually hold their value pretty well because they are. It's a cool game. Jeremy Schmidt's GNR. Yep. Tim Lee, GNR standard all day long. Yeah. And he told his buddy to sell his Beatles today for GNR. Yeah. I think that's a consensus. I would definitely take the standard over the Beatles gold. I wouldn't hesitate. Damn. That's a tough one. I can't figure it out. I don't know. That is a real tough one. I'm going to say undecided. Okay. What about a Beatles platinum?
    49:14
    Bro, I've only played diamonds. I don't know. Wait, which one's the most expensive? The diamond. The diamond edition. A Beatles diamond versus CE.
    49:23
    Could you rather have a diamond edition Beatles? or another house. That's not even an argument because whoever bought the Diamond editions and the Elvira signature editions, I'm not going to say it. I still am sad that they didn't have a piece of Axl Rose's couch in here. That would have been just fucking phenomenal. There was, and Chris had the fifth coming. Oh!
    49:52
    Gross. Gross, dude. All right, so where were we? Do we want to talk about toys? Yeah, let's do it. Toys. Toys and gimmicks. I don't even know what gimmicks mean, but toys. Toys. I guess gimmicks would be the guitar necks and, you know, the drumsticks. And we got the stage in the background. I mean, can we say that the stage in the background is probably the best use of an LCD screen inside of a game? Oh, that. That. That makes so much sense to me. Is that better, or if they would have used the Stranger Things screen in Elvira?
    50:27
    That would be the only reason why that would have been better. Okay. But they didn't do that. They didn't do it. So this is actually the best use of an LCD inside of a game, right? Brian Rieger, except you have to listen to the Beatles while playing.
    50:40
    Damn, Brian. That's tough. They're only pretty much the coolest band ever. Well, I know. They're all over the place. Fuck you. But I agree. That stage. Like, WonkaVision is cool.
    50:56
    Yeah, but I don't know how cool it is, actually. I think they kind of fucked it. They could have done better with it. Yeah. I agree. No, I like it because I like Wonka. I do like Wonka. I think they fucked WonkaVision, though. It could have been cooler. It could have been. Could have been cooler. Well, as a pinball nerd, a pinball player, I like the information on the screen. Right. And as a fan of Willy Wonka, they fucked it. Yeah, they could have done it better. They fucked it. That's fair. Yeah, look at that stage. Oh, God bless it, man. That stage is killer. No, we're just talking about shows that, yeah, that's pretty fucking cool. Yeah, the stage, you know, even bring up the pick spinner there, the drumsticks, the fender. We didn't even talk about the spinny thing underneath the top hat. So what do you think about the spinny thing? Kathleen, I'm buying a GNR. we should we should have a we need a counter we need a little clock in the corner that says how long until drew says he's gonna buy this fucking game and it starts off with yeah this game's cool yeah it's all right whatever drew's buying a gnr kathleen i'm buying an avengers and a gnr and she'll be like what do you get rid of selling my laser q and my firepower it'll pay for both of them she won't even know i'm selling the two to get the one she'd be like oh that's a good deal yeah she definitely will yeah she has no idea what they're worth hey honey i'm selling laser war for all the pinball in the world yeah yeah not selling laser war it's too fucking cool it is cool plus you would have to sell a hundred of those to get a gnr i was telling eric i was like Do you know how much that laser war is worth?
    52:45
    Probably, with the money we put into it, negative of $1,200. We went negative, kids. All right. Cocktail break? I'd like some ice. Sure. All right, guys. Hold on one second.
    53:12
    Thank you. All right, and we're back. We're back. Whoa, whoa, glitchy, glitchy. Oh! One of Drew's kneecaps does that. What happened? I don't know.
    54:29
    Well, we're experiencing some video technical difficulties, kids. Welcome back to the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. That's all right. We'll figure it out, man. All right. So what do you want to do? What should we do? We talked a little bit about it. So cheese slices, what would you say? Overall? Well, no. We're on Toys and Gimmicks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're on Toys and Gimmicks. Oh, it's actually really high because now this might sound negative, so I don't mean it to be.
    55:08
    It's going to sound negative. No, no. like i said i i think i think the game looks fantastic i think everything in it looks great i think i think there's a lot to it and eric veneer hats off to you sir i mean that game is awesome and like i said i know a lot of people worked really hard on it and there's no but it's just um you know we're talking about toys and gimmicks and you guys put a lot of aesthetic stuff in there you know the the guitar necks the um the cymbals the drumsticks the hat um the sculpts right yeah i just named six yeah there's still more it just keeps coming so um all that stuff and and then you know it has the spinning uh record yes it does and there's a hole under there we're thinking that's just for the motor but it may come up we don't know if it catches the ball or something well it'd be hard to there's a top hat up there yeah well i don't know is that directly over it or i thought it was over okay um but my point is so how much of that stuff that's very cool is functional don't give a shit no i like i said it looks it looks great don't give a shit if it compete if it completes the world under the glass i said it um all for it every one of those things is so fucking cool agreed you know we're not talking about and it's functional like the ball does go down the neck of everything the ball interacts with everything you just mentioned it's no different than the katana at deadpool would you not consider the katana part of the toys and deadpool it very much is yes yeah yes absolutely man and both of those okay points no that's that's what i wanted to hear red bull so yeah now that's how it's going uh ted finlay nice to see you brother saw him in chat ted uh we're going to open up your gift. We do have a mailbag coming up. We do have a couple of packages. So, uh, we're going to see what Ted Finley got us. Doc. See that we got more stuff. We got more shit. If it's a moon pie, you're kicked out of the tribe. No, buddy. No, I'm never touching another moon pie ever. Yeah, no, I haven't touched it. Nor do I want to, we did enough. I did like watching that over again, though. I can see it in our faces. We're doing it. Brian Rieger. I just wonder what licensing costs and still have a play field like this. You know what? And I was talking to Ryan Utech on the way over here, and my comment to him was, which we didn't, so we're talking about the necks, right, on the guitars. Did you notice, so they had Gibson and Fender. I didn't notice Gibson. I noticed Fender. Well, Les Paul, his signature guitar is a Gibson Les Paul, right? So that's in the center. Okay. So they had to pay licensing for both. Oh, I believe it. And then I was joking with Ryan, and I said, imagine if Stern Pinball made this exact game. you would see stern pinball guitar next oh yeah absolutely like would they pay fender and gibson to that no they would just have guitars axel tulip yeah but isn't that so and the other thing is obviously slash had to help get that done because if you're fender you're like okay cool we'll license this to you right but we're also going to put a gibson on the same game seems a little odd right so that's all i was just curious how that all worked played out from a licensing standpoint. I don't know, but it's fucking pretty good. Therese Edwards, if you had stuck with chocolate, you would have been fine? Yep, probably, but I didn't. We went hard on them. I had banana and vanilla and salted caramel. Shit cookie and other shit cookie.
    58:48
    I'm pretty sure sugar shit on a stick. It was all awful. Too many. They're so dry. You've got to dip it in some kind of liquid. They're way too dry. Was I supposed to, like, rehydrate those? Yeah.
    59:04
    So I can get water for a little bit? Fucking yeah. Like one of those, like, sponges, like little dinosaur sponges. Oh, here we go. Eric said, couldn't get Live and Let Die, then Slash called Paul McCartney, and 15 minutes later, song included. Oh, cool. That's a cool story. Yeah, I mean, I thought Paul McCartney did Live and Let Die way better, though, in Wings. That was the one that was in the James Bond movie, Live and Let Die. Sure, but that's just a cool story. Slash just calls him up and is like, hey, Paul, we're doing this pinball machine. Slash, LOL. Yeah, we're doing this pinball machine. Paul says, they still make those things? Paul just signed off on the Beatles. He's like, they still make those things?
    59:49
    Paul, God damn it. I thought after that was 2016 or 2018 or whatever. Okay, why don't you get those packages and... Are we doing mailbag? Why not? All right, man. Well, are we done with the game? Hold on. We can do cheese slices now. You're the one who said packages. Cheese slice. Oh, yeah. So what's your overall cheese slice? For Toys and Gimmicks? Yeah.
    60:16
    Sorry. So Toys and Gimmicks, I would say a new world record for the cheese slices. I'm going to give Toys and Gimmicks... I'm going to give it a 50. Wow. Shit. 50!
    60:33
    Woo! Yes! 50. You know why? A lot of reasons. There's aesthetic ones that just are unique and they kick ass. Two, they're not just aesthetic. They actually, the ball does travel on these things. I'm going to be cautious. Three, the symbols on the pops, that's brilliant. Four, I think the pick spinner. I think that's a brilliant choice. Five, they got a rotating mech in there. Six, they got other things. Seven, the stage is amazing. The stage is amazing. Seven solid things. Without seeing the ball interact with them and without considering the pick spinners, I would have to give it 48 cheese slices.
    61:18
    But with those things considered, 51. Hey! Yay! A new world record for toys and innovation! No, it really is. Hey, you guys did great there, JJP. Even if they were all aesthetic, which they're not,
    61:36
    we have to admit, this is the most we've seen in a game since we've been doing this. Drew, how fucking funny would it be if JJP put it on Facebook that, you know, one of the reviews... Toys and Gimmicks gets 51 cheese slices. A record for Toys and Gimmicks from the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast. 51 cheese slices. Ken Cromwell, are you listening? Can Cromwell help us out, bro? Just do that. Make it. Just a Facebook post. That's all I want. A record number of cheese slices. It's a record, kids. I noticed. For toys and gimmicks on any pinball machine ever, 51 cheese slices.
    62:08
    Hey! For those of you just listening, we're doing our cheese slice animations, and they're kick-ass. You guys really need to get on the boat and join us on Facebook Live. Ian just bully Drew into more cheese slices.
    62:24
    Maybe I'm just entertaining and energetic about cheese slices. Oh, sorry, Ryan. Thank you for reminding me. Before we finish this, so we were talking about LEDs, right? Talking about toys and gimmicks. Mm-hmm. So what I learned about on the way here, that topper for the CE, right? Mm-hmm.
    62:41
    There's a sound bar in there. Oh, how cool. So, you know, not cheap plastic, not... 53 cheese slices for toys and gimmicks, 53. that's a new world record ken cromwell and according to them boost the sound by 50 i will love every one of our poor men if you could just message king cromwell and make sure that they put this on their facebook you know all the things about you know sound and stuff too how come you know i'm sure some people have done that where they've hooked stuff up but having a sound bar right on the top that makes a lot of sense yes it really does awesome so you put you put some cool lights up there you put a sound bar i mean you're in business you know and and that might be all you need you might not need the stuff in the cabinet then you just have a really nice sound bar that that mounts to the top right with some lights you're you're you're good so i don't know very cool i like it yeah i like it a lot very cool that was very cool what i just said no one really picked up on they're including a topper what i mean you're paying 12 500 you better get a fucking topper yeah it's better fucking rock your world with the soundbar badass dude badass all right well two thumbs up 53 slices there you go a lot of a lot of that i think overall impressions i say um if you are a fan the bottom line is mike williams raining our parade but the plastic on the topper is underwhelming the rest is cool though fair enough it can't it can't all be whelming man mike i love you man thank you for keeping us down to earth all right back to 52 okay yeah you're right that is plastic but it's free it comes with it well not free but you know what i mean yeah i think stern would have paid it cost you know charge you nine hundred dollars in another mode so well they charged a thousand dollars for the alvira topper how much would stern charge for a soundbar topper jesus six thousand dollars well i don't know no because I don't understand their pricing structure, though, at all, because they can charge you...
    64:48
    What was the one? Oh, the $600 topper. Jurassic Park. Yeah, Jurassic Park. With the mode. Yep, but then they go ahead and charge you... Tim Lee bought three of them. They only charge you $300 for the freaking Black Knight animatronic. $450? Yeah, but that's still a deal. Animatronic? Dude, it's such a better topper. I think everyone would agree with me there. The Black Knight topper and the Ghostbusters topper are two toppers I would consider getting. Oh, cool.
    65:20
    And by the way, I was looking at, someone was selling a Ghostbusters premium, home use only, with a topper, $7,000.
    65:29
    I'd call that the steal of the week. Bye, bye, bye. yeah i'm never gonna stop that you know i always kind of look at ghostbuster premiums and uh yeah that's uh that was a pretty good deal so anyways all right so overall impressions are fantastic way to go jjp first impressions way off the charts you killed it you nailed it um it just comes down to theme for me um yeah but if you were going to say hey i got a gnr in my house I would be like, I'm on my way. I can't wait. You would have a Jersey Jack pinball with a good theme, an adult theme, for your man cave or your basement. I mean, that's a loaded fucking stack. We haven't seen a game this stacked since, shit, Twilight Zone. It looks busy. I was going to say that. There's a lot of stuff. Ah, inappropriate, bro. All right, let me go get some mailbag stuff, all right? Getting some mailbag stuff. Mailbag! Well, Ian's gone. I'll tell you all about what's in his pants.
    66:38
    What's in my butthole? Oh, we haven't played that song in a while. It plays in our... Does it? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I miss hearing it because on the outro I do a lot of dancing to it. It's just a catchy tune, you know? We're already like, you know.
    66:55
    We haven't done one of these though. I like the Black Knight Sword of Rage topper so much I bought one. I know, and you don't even have the game.
    67:04
    Eddie! Malcolm! All right, Drew, what were you saying? Well, I was just reading through some of the comments, and then Tony Squadero reminded us that Toy Story is March. You know, we're all focused on Guns N' Roses, and now with this new factory, they're trying to ramp up production, apparently. So, you know, they're obviously going to sell a lot of these through the holidays.
    67:41
    But, you know, we might see the first, you know, two JJP games within a 12-month period, which would be kind of cool, right? It's fucking awesome. It's very awesome. Very cool. You know, if JJP could get on this, I'm going to say the same cadence as Stern, not quite, obviously. They're not going to do four games a year. But if every six months they could just have a game ready to go and sell it. Right. I think they would grow. Some years they'd have one, some years they'd have two, just depending on. But they would grow exponentially. So every six months, they're just like, here's another game. Here's another game where you can count on it every six months. I think that would be very cool. I think what I'd like to see out of JJP is get a little bit more diverse with your themes, right? I mean, I'd like to see some more adult themes. I'd like to see you can go even, you know, Toy Story is fine. You can keep with the family-friendly themes, but I'd like to see 80s themes. I'd like to see 90s themes. I'd like to see 70s themes. I'd like to see a lot of different stuff from you because you're the one.
    68:46
    Well, American Pinball does pretty good, but you guys, between you and American Pinball, you guys try to deliver on that old Williams era of things on the play field, and I really appreciate both of you. yeah and there's one thing that kaneda said this week that i a thousand percent agree with and i didn't really think about until he said it um so here's your credit kaneda thank you for for bringing this to my attention um you know he said okay even if you don't like this game right them having all this stuff in here might actually push the manufacturers to start including more stuff. I hope they do. It depends on sales, right? Correct. Yes. If J.J.P. does really well with this, which they probably will... Wouldn't you think Waz would have done that, though?
    69:37
    But they had so many issues with Waz and they had issues and delays. Like I said, they have to get games on the line and get them out. That's one of their biggest... That's been one of their biggest Achilles heels since the beginning. Waz was delayed by a year or whatever. I think it was eight months, nine months. All their games were delayed by six months, seven months, eight months. But if they can get into a cadence and they create games like this that have really super high hype and high demand, it might actually move the bar with Stern and with American Pinball and these other companies that are like, hey, we need to put more in our games to make this happen. Cool. So I think it was a very thoughtful point that I just wanted to point out. That's all. All right. Thanks, Kaneda. Way to go, Kaneda. We need a Kaneda credit screen. We gave you credit.
    70:24
    No? Nothing? Crickets? We'll just have a cricket screen? First off, Canada... All right, never mind. Thank you, Canada. All right, so what do we got for... You want to do anything on the chat, or should we do mailbag first? You already did the mailbag intro. Let's do it.
    70:47
    Man, that Kessler with poor man's sticker. Can't get over it, says Brian Rieger. And you never will.
    70:54
    The problem is we're going to have to keep dumping Kessler's in there to make that sticker work. Tony says Stern will never add more stuff. People keep buying their pins and toppers. Yeah, you're right, and that's part of it. I mean, JJP would have to put a dent in their sales for them to really start considering some more stuff. Who is this from? This is from our buddy, Doc Finlay. Doc Finlay? PinballPrices.com? That sounded like a commercial.
    71:19
    Go to PinballPrices.com for all your pinball pricing needs. andrew this is southern thank you box for your generous support of the pinball prices with a bar like Ian it hard to choose a liquor he doesn already have in stock True story You so flattery will get you everywhere Doc True story. So this is my Southern Thank You. Southern. Nothing says Georgia like peaches. Peach schnapps. Then there's great Georgia city, Savannah. Savannah vodka. And Southern sweet tea goes well with Chick-fil-A. Hit it hard but sweet with Appalachian Apple Pie Moonshine. And finally, top it off with an Evening of Pride of the South Jack Daniels Single Barrel Select.
    72:02
    Doc, thank you, Doc. Let's take a look here. This box is really wet. Uh-oh. Chunky, chunky. Holy moly. Let me hit the mother load.
    72:24
    Southern Sweet Tea. Jack Daniels Single Barrel Select. Ooh. I like these cool, like, full-size mini bottles that look like full-size bottles. Peach Schnapps.
    72:40
    The Little Crown Royal ones are my favorite. I don't know why. I just like them. I dig them. Appalachian Apple Pie Moonshine. I was going to say, that looks like a moonshine. Definitely a moonshine. You can tell.
    72:53
    More peach schnapps. Doc, when I was on my vacation this week, I have decided to stop drinking.
    73:05
    So, thanks. Oh, that means more for me. I appreciate you. All right. What do we got here? Savannah vodka. Ooh. That's a big one. Savannah accent, you know. Rolls off the tongue like fine molasses. savannah so that's it i mean he gave us i mean it keeps going i got one two three four five more bottles in here so doc we're never gonna finish these before the end of this show thank you we should have a southern show next show we should just tackle this now we like these oh my god testing these oh hell yeah uh jeremy schmitz you can ship liquids yes you can jeremy You can ship whatever the fuck you want as long as you don't declare it.
    73:53
    All right. Well, thank you, Doc. And I will consider that your subscription. You have subscribed for another year of Poor Matt's Pinball Podcast. We even got a little letterhead, pinballprices.com. I can't see it. Too much lights. It says, Doc Finley is awesome. Yeah, thanks, Doc. All right. Well, we'll continue our sponsorship live on the air. Go to pinballprices.com.
    74:16
    Mmm. Tasty. Hey, Brian, I'm going to have some more Poor Man's Pinball podcast. Sponsored. Whiskey. All right, so this one is from Australia.
    74:33
    So the name on here is Down Under Box, Alex Gingarzo. I don't know if that's actually a guy or if someone ordered this for us. oh shit it's to ian and drew from jesse j oh jesse she got us a down under box what'd you get us well drew is now very interested in what this box is well let's take a look here
    75:05
    the down under box she put a lot of thought in this i know very thoughtful thank you if you too want to send it down under box just go to down under.com all right a taste of home here we go oh boy what is in here and here i thought a kangaroo what it's gonna jump out at me here i got more package on the floor in my how red will drew's face get says glenn Well, Jesse J is watching, so it's going to be red. It's already starting. He's so bashful.
    75:45
    All right. I know. Special note just for you. Dear poor man, after watching you eat those weird-ass moon pies, I figured you both need to try some of them. I have a southern accent. Yeah, what is going on with that? Sorry. I have no idea. Knock that out of you. Thank you. There you go. Woo! Okay. Dear poor men, after watching you eat those weird-ass moon pies, I figure you both need to try some of the refined snacks we have to offer down under. If you've never had distinct pleasure of eating Vegemite before, please contact me for preliminary instructions, lest you find yourselves in salty hell.
    76:23
    Thanks for bringing the laughs every week, Jesse J. P.S. Did you hear there's yet another new alternative art package for Shadow? I've included a photo for your reference. Oh, my God.
    76:39
    That's awesome. I don't know if you guys can see that, but that is Drew and I. Our faces, it's not very good. We're on the shadow back box there. I'll put it on our Facebook page. Yeah, that's very cool. Jesse J., you are just an amazing person. Thank you. Yeah, that's spectacular. Thanks, Jesse J. All right, let's see what we got here in this Down Under box. therese edwards thanks for sacrificing your livers ian and drew anything for you therese we're happy to do it but then we heard you were gonna come on so we decided to drink and then brian rieger says yeah red like gnr armor my face he has a little crush and uh therese yeah we we would be doing this by ourselves sadly in the basement with no viewers we did this for years you just decided to record it you you guys think that all this this isn't planning this is just what ian and i have done for 20 years oh my gosh there's all sorts of goodies here so we got nestle's uh milo okay what's that like chocolate uh low gi source of protein eight minerals and minerals active go so it's like yeah like a chocolate mix i think we're supposed to eat that after the moon pies so we don't uh we have some frogs alive alan's frogs alive no artificial color. It's like a little gummy treat. Gummy treats. Are those special gummy treats? Tiny Teddy, a spotted dog. A chocolate teddy. Chocolate chip spotty. It's a chocolate chip chip. You guys have a lot of cutesy stuff out there. It's adorable.
    78:11
    Gluten-free something or other. Anzac, little wafer thing. We are gluten-free. Jesse J says, yep, Milo goes in milk. That makes sense. It's like chocolate milk mix. Alright. Tim Tam! Tim Tams. I've heard of those. Marty used to talk about those. He'd give those to people at Expo. Let's get some Tim Tams up in here. We'll open that shit up right now. All right. We'll try a Tim Tam.
    78:38
    What else you got? Caramello Koala. Caramello Koala. That's hard to say. Caramello Koala. Oh, you get it. Appropriate. So these Tim Tams. Tim Tam. I believe these are like a staple of Australia. Cheers. Tim Tams. It's like a chocolate wafer.
    79:04
    Now, Jesse J., this is literally 100 times better than a moon pie. Like, by a mile. I mean, it is not even close.
    79:17
    Sorry, Steve Johnson. Your moon pies have been replaced. Damn. Yep. So, put Milo, oh, so Brian Schliebs, put Milo on a honey sandwich.
    79:38
    Don't know what a honey sandwich is, but yeah, I guess you put that little chocolate mix on there. And John Cosson, hang on, Dr. John, teach them the Tim Tam Slam. What's a Tim Tam slam? We're going to need to learn about that. We're going to need to do a Tim Tam slam on the air. That sounds right up our alley, bro.
    80:01
    Ricky McClung, Tim Tam is great. I'm trying to figure out. Bit off opposite corners and suck. Oh, Dr. John, bite off opposite corners and suck your booze through them. oh nice yes that is uh right up our alley and then jesse j says listen to this guy he's a doctor it's science jesse j that is why you are an awesome part of our show that is spectacular you're right it is science and we're gonna try eucalyptus uh menthol candies apparently we just do this in cough drops but you have candies with eucalyptus and menthol so not only is it a delicious candy but it will help you breathe better and brian must know your wife don't let the missus get those tim tams ah laura laura will be all over laura's already i see her right there she just poked her little head out there she's like what you got what you got it's a thc baby all right um a little koala says i love australia oh that one's yeah that's going on the front lines there if i was to visit australia what would be the best place to go because i was looking into that ah tim lee jesse should send tribe members one to twelve tim tams sorry tim lee we only get to tim tams here i will uh taste them for you yeah we'll tell you how delicious they are drool whisper in your ear via skype how amazing they are i did a tim tam slam and it was awesome all right so we have like mini mint eyes minties minties minties minties got a bunch of those yeah minties it's probably like a little um these look i wonder if these are like the the taffy candy like sugar taffy maybe i don't know what those are there's no name but there's a bunch of little candies here that look delicious They look like our bubble gum, but I don't know what they are. Have something.
    82:09
    And, of course, I was saving this for last. Yes, the Vegemite. Do you put that on your rashes? What do you do with that? Oh, it's like a... I know. It's like the paste. It's like a...
    82:26
    I have actually... I actually have recipes for this stuff, so I will actually use this. So this will not go wasted. I don't know why I have recipes for Vegemite, but I have recipes for everything. Well, Jesse J., incredibly thoughtful. Thank you so much. Ooh, I got a little overzealous there. Jesse, thank you so much for this beautiful care package. Jeremy Schmidt says, nothing goes better than candy and booze. LOL, stomachache in the morning. You know what? I learned that last week, brother. Hey, you know what doesn't go well together? Moon pies and anything. Oh, God.
    82:59
    All right. Well, Jesse, you are, again, just an incredibly sweet person. We thank you so much. I think we might have missed a comment here. Dr. John says, per rectal, Vegemite.
    83:12
    Oh, so he wants me to shove it up my ass? Yep. What are you doing, Dr. John? What kind of doctor are you again? I'm starting to think you're a dentist, bro.
    83:22
    We're going to start calling you Dentist John. Dentist John is calling. Yeah, this guy. he says some things that i'm just i don't think he's a doctor i'm really starting to oh those jesse j says those are fan tales like a caramel chocolate chew well that's right up my alley because you had me at chocolate i love chocolate i love caramel i chew a lot what could go wrong thank you so much we really appreciate it very nice very nice all right so should we call this we should and you know what through all that my face didn't get that red it's i feel like g and i right yeah you got a little i was just a little verklempt it was very nice very verklempt it was very very nice uh best place down under rises dirty dungeon sounds like a place no no no where gold coast where should i go vacation wise what's the most beautiful parts of australia that i should go visit sorry dr john says i'm both i'm both He's a dentist, too.
    84:25
    I have a strong suspicion you're something, Dr. John. I just don't know what yet. I'd love to know. Jesse, we will try the Tim – you know what we need to do for the Tim Tam Slam? We need to try some of Doc Finlay's booze in the Tim Tam Slam. All right. Join us next week where we attack – Attack.
    84:41
    All right. No, I can't do that next week. We actually have an interview next week. So we're not going to do that next week. Stay tuned for that, though. So, you know, I should send a big thank you out to everyone that has been buying our shirts and stuff. Dr. John, do a slam. Should we do a slam now? Yeah. We're doing a slam, guys. Yeah, we got Tim Tam slam. Here we go. We have the Australians here, our favorite Australian people.
    85:10
    Where's Rodden? We need your brother. Where's Rodden? How come Marty never joins us? Dr. John, can you – how come Marty doesn't join us? Ryan C. doesn't either, man. He doesn't get it.
    85:20
    And we love them both so much. It just hurts. It hurts the feelings. Dr. John says go to Melbourne. Yep. Good Gold Coast. All right. Well, here's your Tim Tam. Okay. So. You bite off each end and you suck the booze. I still got booze. You bite off the end or the corner? I think you said the end, right? Because you want to kind of be able to pour it in there. I think you just suck it like a straw, right? Mm-hmm. I think that's what we're doing. Dr. John. Tell us again. Jesse J says give the people what they want. Jesse J., really? This is what you want? Straight booze. Yeah, we get that. Okay, we'll do straight booze, no mixer. We can do that. So we bite off the end or the corner?
    86:02
    Jesus Christ. Now I have to go silent. I'm going to go get a straight booze. Dr. John says Marty doesn't like people.
    86:11
    Opposite corners is what was said. Okay. You want a cacti glass? Are you going to do it with your mixer? I'm going to do it with a... No, we're going to get those little booze bottles.
    86:23
    What? Jesus Christ. Can we cool it down a little bit? You can. Ian's getting prepared. Prepared for the Tim Tam Slam.
    86:37
    It's just fun to say. Tim Tam Slam. Ian. We're so international. From Brian Rieger. Would you sell Oktoberfest for Avengers or GNR? GNR he might. No. No? No.
    86:51
    Theme's important. So, yeah, the Oktoberfest theme is way cool. Plus, I'm not sick of it yet. Glenn says, bite three corners, suck together like the dogs eating spaghetti.
    87:03
    Glenn, that's for after hours. Is that Glenn Weck? Yeah, it is Glenn. Glenn, thank you for the intro. And thank you again, Martin, listener number 15, for this week's intro. What are you going to do? You want to do the Southern Sweet Seed? Yeah, there you go. There you go. Southern sweet tea from our pal, Doc Finlay.
    87:22
    We're going to do it in a little bit of ice. He says red wine or port is the best, but anything will do.
    87:32
    Get a little chill. Okay. I have a feeling this is going to get messy. Okay. We got... Every day of my life is messy, kid. All right. Okay. Smells like booze. You don't get this way doing a poor man's pinball podcast. So I bite off one corner. Yeah.
    87:54
    Bite off the other corner. Okay. Then I think. Suck it like a straw. That's it? I don't know. Doc. We need help.
    88:05
    Does it work? Nope. How do you do a Tim Tamsley? We're about to Google this shit. All right, let's move this down a little bit.
    88:20
    Because, I mean, if we pour it, it's just going to go everywhere, right? Yeah, like a straw. And then Brian Schlieb suck it buttholes.
    88:29
    All right, so we have our Tim Tam slam. Oh, my Tim Tam. God damn it. All right, here we go. All right, so corner.
    88:43
    Corner. Chase Edwards. Suck it like a straw. Easy for you to say, Therese. Cheers. Tim Tam Slam. Here we go.
    88:59
    No. I think you guys are just fucking with us. Check to make sure it flows. Yeah, I think you Australians just do this to Americans and make us look like idiots. Is that working?
    89:15
    You gotta suck like a motherfucker Dr. John what are you doing You know what I think these are Defective Tim Tams they are definitely Fuck it I'm just gonna dip it in there I'm going English On you guys dip it in there No just You wanna see the Drew Tim Tam slam Ready my following suit alright here we go and that was still better than a fucking moon pie oh my god
    90:09
    And there you go, kids. An American. Jesse J. Tim Tam Slam. Dr. John. All you Australians. You guys are weird, and I love you. I love it. I love every second of it. So we just ended up slamming booze. So give the people what they want.
    90:36
    Woo! All right. Well, with that being said, guys, I think we're going to finish this. Yeah, that was good. That was a good ending. I'm going to go to bed. It's going to be great. That was a great ending to a great show.
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    All the people in chat, thank you so much for joining us. We love each and every one of you. We were going to chill on the tribe members for a bit because we have 32 awesome people. 33. 34. Brian Cosner. 34. Brian Cosner got inducted last week. Yeah, he was number 34. Brian Cosner, once again, welcome. Thank you for everyone.
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    John Cosson, your shit will come out the other direction now. I don't know what that means, but... He's a doctor, bro. He knows. He's a dentist, too.
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    Seriously, guys, thanks for joining us. We love doing this every week. We love you guys. We should give a thanks out to you guys who are buying shirts. Yes. We had another great two back-to-back records. Was that our best month ever? last month was better but back to back we've not done this well with t-shirt sales so thank you so much don't forget silver ball swag buy our shit for the sales it does help us so silver ball swag we don't get money we don't ask for money during our for our sponsorships um what keeps all of this going all this bullshit uh and uh our monthly fees buys the expensive booze is the t-shirt sales so thank you very much for that and so if you don't have a t-shirt please buy one it really helps out the other thing I want to say is please follow us and like us on Facebook it's very important because the more we get the better we can then start to get subscriptions and that'll also help fund things still working on the stars we'll get it figured out don't worry kids other than that we really appreciate you um and it's been so much fun doing this show with you drew and with you guys live um i don't know if we could ever go back to regular podcasting no uh and 75 episodes i mean once again we haven't touched too much on that yeah you know even without our fucking friday these are just regular episodes 75 yeah it's pretty cool that is very cool yeah and not only that um last month we had 1.5 thousand interactions on Facebook through all of the messages and stuff. 1.5 thousand. Not bad. When Ian and I first started this, we would have literally like 50 people listening to us. Yes. And we thought it was the coolest thing in the world. And we still have only 50 people listening to us. But, I was going to say we have 52. Mom logs in and she comments. So thank you. My mom doesn't know how to use the internet. Love you mom. But in all seriousness, you guys have made this thing grow. Yeah, it's all about you guys. So we really appreciate it. Yeah, it's awesome. Not to get all sappy, but we love you. And we'll see you next week. We have some special guests next week. So we're really excited about next week's episode. So cheers. Thank you very much. Glenn Wachter, dildo. You had to get one in. And then Billy YJ, dildo. I wonder what the side of a pool. Maybe there's syrup in their filly and all inside their bottle
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    Obviously, they don't really care as much as we do about buttholes and what's inside them. So thanks for listening, guys. Have a great day. Bye bye.