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Episode 111

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Jan 25, 2022
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TL;DR

PPN Episode 111: Women in Pinball growth, network expansion, and new content formats announced.

Summary

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast Episode 111 features host Drew with guest Rachel Risto discussing Women in Pinball growth, the new Poor Man's Pinball Network launch, upcoming restoration videos, and community initiatives. Rachel shares details about Ladies Flip Wisconsin tournaments, which have grown to 19 participants, and discusses her co-hosting of Tribe Multiball on the PPN. Drew announces plans for restoration content, Facebook Live Happy Hour videos, and more frequent podcast releases from his new basement studio setup.

Key Claims

  • Ladies Flip Wisconsin has run six tournaments since October, with the most recent drawing 19 women participants in Green Bay

    high confidence · Rachel Risto describing her women's tournament series on the podcast

  • Tribe Multiball with Rachel and Tim Dan Lee has produced 21-22 episodes

    high confidence · Drew and Rachel discussing the podcast output on PPN

  • Poor Man's Pinball Network is launching with multiple shows including Pinball Junk Drawer and Tribe Multiball

    high confidence · Drew introducing the PPN initiative and its constituent shows

  • Rachel drives approximately one hour each way to play at District 82 in De Pere, Wisconsin, which hosts around 100+ games

    high confidence · Rachel describing her competitive play location and travel commitment

  • Drew plans to launch Poor Man's Happy Hour Facebook Live videos by February

    high confidence · Drew announcing upcoming content format during the episode

  • About six core women play in every league/tournament at District 82

    high confidence · Rachel describing the competitive women's player base at her home venue

  • Lyman Sheets, described as a pinball icon, recently passed away

    high confidence · Drew mentioning plans to pay tribute to Lyman Sheets later in the episode

  • Drew is planning to do restoration videos on his Sorcerer pinball machine, documenting the process without expert knowledge

    high confidence · Drew describing his restoration video concept where he seeks viewer help

Notable Quotes

  • “I'm slowly but surely accomplishing that [getting more women into playing]. So I feel really good about getting, I think it was six new women at this last tournament up in Green Bay. I had 19 women on a Sunday. Who knew I could do that?”

    Rachel Risto @ approx. mid-episode — Highlights the rapid growth of women's participation in pinball through Ladies Flip Wisconsin initiatives

  • “I think women are more encouraging overall to each other, like good game, nice ball, or did you know how to open up this multi-ball... I think there's a lot of support from the women that play competitively all the time.”

    Rachel Risto @ approx. mid-episode — Identifies a key cultural difference in women-focused pinball spaces that supports new player retention

  • “My idea is I'm going to show you guys what I'm doing on this game while I'm drinking. And I'm going to say, you know, Jon Hey, this is what we're doing. I need your help. This is going to be a community build, right?”

    Drew @ approx. later in episode — Describes a novel approach to restoration videos that emphasizes community participation over expert demonstration

  • “Safety third. That's the tagline of the video. Safety third.”

    Drew @ approx. later in episode — Reflects the humorous, casual tone Drew is taking with his restoration content despite his wife buying fire extinguishers

  • “The community and the interaction, kind of what we're doing right now. So Rachel and I are vibing and ribbing off of one another. Having fun, right? So my thought was we're going to do Poor Man's Happy Hour and let the world see it.”

    Drew @ approx. end of episode — Articulates Drew's core philosophy of centering community and interaction in PPN content strategy

Entities

Rachel RistopersonDrewpersonTim Dan LeepersonSteven MartinpersonFoghorn LeghornpersonLyman SheetspersonKathleenpersonJim MaradovichpersonJacqueline SteffenpersonMatt McCarty

Signals

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    community_signal: Women's participation in pinball growing significantly through organized tournaments; Ladies Flip Wisconsin grew from initial launch to 19 participants in a single event, with six core competitive women at District 82 and expanding base of newer players

    high · Rachel describes six tournaments organized, six core women playing regularly, 19 women at latest Green Bay event, six new women at that event, and intentional recruitment through peer referrals

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    community_signal: Women-focused pinball spaces cultivate different social dynamics than mixed/open events, with emphasis on encouragement, support, and safe spaces for new players

    high · Rachel explains women are 'more encouraging overall to each other,' provide more direct assistance to new players, and create a 'welcoming space' that differs from open tournaments

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    content_signal: Poor Man's Pinball Network successfully scaling content production with multiple shows (Tribe Multiball with 21-22 episodes, Pinball Junk Drawer active, new restoration content planned) and expanding formats (Facebook Live, restoration videos)

    high · Drew announces PPN launch with multiple shows, discusses Tribe Multiball's 21-22 episode output, Steven Martin's active Pinball Junk Drawer work, and upcoming restoration video series

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    design_philosophy: Drew's restoration video approach prioritizes community participation and transparency over expert demonstration, explicitly showing mistakes and asking for help rather than polishing content post-hoc

    high · Drew describes 'open-ended video' showing where he's 'stuck,' promising to show when he 'fucks things up,' and seeking viewer input rather than cutting to solutions

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Transcript

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0:00
Oh yeah, it's time. You've waited a week or more, and now it's finally here. The time has come for the sloppiest show on the internet. This week's episode of Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, starring Drew and Ian. That's it, man. Game over, man. Game over.
0:44
I'm gonna need someone to help me. I'm gonna need somebody's help. Son of a bitch! Give me a drink One of the night I just can't be me One of the lips If I drink it clean I'm on a drink by the way Welcome to the Pornhub Podcast Episode 111 I'm here today with a very special guest We'll get to that in a moment It's been a while since I've talked to you guys and basement is finally set up. I've been saying that for about two years, but here we are. So I'm in my little time-out recording studio. That's what we're going to call it because Kathleen just loves that joke. And I'm in my little hooker cave in the basement, as some of you guys like to call it. But it's a cool little space. I got a desk. I got some cigars here. I got my drink set up, new microphone. So we're going to see how that goes, and here it is, episode 111. So what's on tap today? We have a very special guest, which I mentioned once, and now I've mentioned twice. She's sitting right next to me. She's laughing her ass off, trying to not make noise for my new awesome mic, because it picks up everything. So without further ado, I'm just going to introduce her, because otherwise she's going to lose her shit. With me today is the wonderful and lovely Rachel Risto.
2:24
Hello, friends. Rachel's in the house. Oh, hey, Drew. I'm so happy to be here. I'm literally in Drew's little podcast cave he's got going on here. What do you think of it? I like it. I've got Yoda hanging out with me, and I have Darth Vader hanging out with me, so I think I'm in good company. Oh, you are? Yeah. It's a great little space, right? Actually, I think it's perfect, because I think hopefully the audio will sound really good. It's your first episode recording in here as well, right? Yes. This is absolutely, this is my first episode with the new mic, the iPad setup. This is all brand new. So bear with us. I did send this out to some of the tribe members. Not this, but I sent some test audio. So it sounded pretty good. I think this is going to be a good setup. And most importantly, it's going to be a good setup for me because it's quick, it's convenient. So I can do more solo episodes down here and get you guys more content on a regular basis. But I'm really glad Rachel's here, not just because I love her to death, but because we can see how this works with having two people in here. It's small. It's intimate. It's good. We couldn't do three in here. No. I think you'd have to take out those little partial wall here to get three in here. Yes, we're at max capacity. But, so, yeah, we can, you know, I can have some guests. And I can obviously move this out into the main room. But this is going to be a good trial run. It's a very nice space. So I'm interested to see the next time that I come by and see what kind of stuff you have on your walls. Yeah, it's still very much like everything's done as far as construction, but now we're in the decorating and setting up the room. Yeah, make it. That's the fun. The fun arcade, finding the neat little things that you want to represent you and your space. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So before we get too far off track, though, I'm just going to finish what's on tap, and then we can roll with this, and we're going to have all kinds of fun today. What do you think? Well, that sounds good to me. Sweet. Wheat. I am going to tell you, I feel maybe a little bad. I feel like I'm cheating on Tim Lee just a teeny tiny bit. Tim Lee doesn't know Rachel is here. No, he has no idea, so it'll be fun when this episode drops. Yes, and we're going to drop it. We're not going to tell him. So we were just laughing about that before we started, that this is just going to get dropped, and then he's going to find out about it. Love you, Tim. Tim Lee sucks at pinball. I love you, too, buddy. Yeah, well, you know.
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community_signal: Multi-generational family engagement in pinball increasing, with extended family units (parents, adult children, grandchildren) participating together at venues

medium · Rachel mentions 'a couple of families' with 'mom and dad' and 'grown children and grandchildren' playing together at District 82, describing as 'three generations of pinballers'

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    operational_signal: Ladies Flip Wisconsin tournament success enabled by distributed organizational model with host coordination, dedicated scorekeeper support, and volunteer swag/promotional infrastructure

    high · Rachel describes working with venue hosts, delegating specific responsibilities, using Matt McCarty as scorekeeper, recruiting graphic design support from Jacqueline Steffen, and sourcing custom swag (pins, buttons, shirts)

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    product_launch: Poor Man's Pinball Network officially launching with established shows and new content formats planned for early 2022

    high · Drew announces PPN launch housing Tribe Multiball and Pinball Junk Drawer, with Facebook Live Poor Man's Happy Hour planned for February launch

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    venue_signal: District 82 (De Pere, WI) and Player 2 Arcade (Green Bay, WI) serving as active competitive/casual play destinations in Wisconsin; Milwaukee Flippers operating as collector venue

    medium · Rachel describes District 82 as hosting 100+ games with frequent tournaments and league play; mentions Player 2 Arcade hosting Ladies Flip tournament with 5-6 new women

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    industry_signal: Death of pinball icon Lyman Sheets noted; episode planned to include tribute and discussion of his impact on the community

    high · Drew introduces episode agenda mentioning 'unfortunately this week, we had the death of a pinball icon, Mr. Lyman Sheets' and plans 'proper tribute to him later in the show'

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    product_strategy: Poor Man's Pinball Network positioning as community-first alternative to streamed/production-heavy pinball content, emphasizing interaction and non-standard approaches

    high · Drew explicitly states PPN does 'what we do to our own drummer' and 'our own beat,' is not streaming games (unlike competitors), and focuses on 'community and the interaction' as core value

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    personnel_signal: Content creator Steven Martin transitioning from B-movie podcasting to pinball focus with Pinball Junk Drawer; bringing established radio/podcast production skills and humor style to pinball community

    medium · Drew and Rachel discuss Steven Martin's 20-year podcast history, B-movie background, 'great radio voice,' and 'laugh out loud funny' content style; multiple episodes of Pinball Junk Drawer mentioned

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    market_signal: Rising pinball prices noted as ongoing market trend with concern expressed about collector affordability and market implications

    medium · Drew mentions 'some more rising prices in pinball. They don't want to come down. They keep rising every single day' as discussion topic for the episode

    • 4:44
    So Rachel's here. We also, we're going to talk about what's new for 2022, Poor Man's Pinball Podcast and our new PPN launch, Poor Man's Pinball Network.
    4:58
    No jokes. We're going to have lots of good content coming out from different creators. So I've been working on some of the stuff behind the scenes. We'll talk a little bit about that.
    5:09
    We had, unfortunately this week, we had the death of a pinball icon, Mr. Lyman Sheets. I'm hoping we can pay proper tribute to him later in the show, and we'll talk a little bit about him and his impact on the pinball community. We're going to talk about some more rising prices in pinball. They don't want to come down. They keep rising every single day, and we've got some interesting sale ads to talk about, and we'll just talk about that generally in the hobby, what it means for us as collectors. um women in pinball we have a great woman in pinball right next to me so she's gonna uh talk about a couple things she's doing as far as women's tournaments and it's just some of the different things on the women's scene of pinball and and how uh how that's growing right yeah absolutely okay perfect and then uh we're gonna do a couple predictions for what we think uh the pinball landscape looks like in 2022 and uh much much more you ready to do it sure Just jump right in. All right. Well, we don't need to introduce Rachel anymore because she's here. It's me. And she's still giggling, which that's what I love about her. What are you drinking today, Rachel? Well, right now I'm having some water. What's next to that water, though? Well, there's a gift here I brought. It's the first time Drew's having a podcast right here in his own little space. I decided that he needed to celebrate, and then she brought him a nice brown bag wrapped with a lovely green piece of yarn from a leftover project I just finished. So here you go. It is beautiful. Thank you. So just so you guys know, Rachel drove, what, you're about an hour away, right? About an hour. So, yeah, she drove an hour, you know, to do this episode. We talked about it a few days ago, and my wife was really excited. I love Kathleen. Yeah, Kathleen, JJ. I love the animal. The animal kingdom. Yes, that's going on here. So Rachel came out here for this. We're so excited, and I'm going to open up this gift because I can't wait to see what's inside. Yeah.
    7:17
    It's what I currently drink. You guys hear the paper? Woo! Oh, Tim Lee is going to love this. Oh, yeah. She brought me one of those big, fatty bottles of Fireball whiskey. Yeah. That is awesome. I love this stuff. Me, too, because of Tim. I'm standing there today at 9 o'clock this morning, basically when the liquors start open. I was there for other things. I was picking up Raffle stuff for next weekend. Sure. For some liquor basket. You're there every morning waiting for them to open. And I'm standing there looking at all the whiskeys and stuff. I'm like, man, I want to bring juice, something to celebrate. Looking at things, I'm like, I'm thinking, you know, I'm going to bring what I want to drink. So I figure I can pour a little fireball on ice and have one little teeny tiny drink while I'm here. That's perfect. And Tim Lee turns everyone on to that because he's the reason I'm drinking that as well. So, yeah, thank you so much. A nice big bottle of Fireball. Yeah, I hope that you enjoy it. That's going to go well here. I will. We'll enjoy some a little bit here. What are you drinking? Oh, yeah, I meant to. Yeah, I'm Stella Artois. Ooh, I like Stella. Yeah, it's just. It's a good pinball beer. Exactly. I don't drink a lot of beer anymore. Like, I can count on my hand how many times I drink beer in a single year now. Oh, wow. Yeah, I used to drink beer daily. oh wow good for you yeah and i just you know the calories different things i just absolutely yeah i cut it out but you know every so often i mean good beer is good beer and this is just a light beer if you guys haven't i mean it's it's been around a while it's it's commons but get yourself a stella it is a good i like i think it's a great pinball beer that and pbr pbr very different spectrums of beers and i do like a local craft local try when i'm different places like to try or local craft breweries that we have going on. I do enjoy that. But I will tell you, it's usually a stellar PBR. Yes. No, those are two great choices. I drink PBR like it was going out of style. I mean, and by the way, that was before it was cool. Oh, okay. Yeah, I was drinking PBR before the hipsters. All right, okay. Yeah, I didn't jump on no bandwagon. I just drank the PBR. I just want to make that very clear. Yes, you're all about the blue ribbon. Yeah, not that I have anything against hipsters, but. No, you know, just own it. And oh, who you are and oh, would you like to drink and all of that. That's exactly it. So do you want to get into some Poor Man's Pinball Podcast personal pinball news? Some P-M-P-P-P-P-M. That's it. Yeah, sure. We can talk about that. I like it. Rachel is enabling my alliterations here. Ian used to stomp on them. Oh, I love that. I love wordplay. If you want to just sit here and we can rhyme words for like the next 10 minutes, we can do that. Stay tuned for episode 112 where Rachel and Drew rhyme words for two hours. Yeah, that's all right. Well, everybody should just relax and play along at home, have a drink and be fine. Oh, my God, that's perfect.
    10:10
    So, Rachel, why don't you start? What's been going on in your personal pinball world? Well, friends, as you may or may not know, I am a podcast co-host along with Tim Lee on Tribe Multiball right here on the Poor Man's Pinball Network. Oh, that was perfect. We didn't even rehearse that. That was great.
    10:29
    And also, I should mention on the Poor Man's Pinball Network is also a pinball junk drawer with Foghorn Leghorn. Just got to plug him. Just got to plug him right up the gate. So I'm doing that with Tim Lee, and that's a lot of fun. And we interview different people within the tribe, our tribe members, get to know them, how they got into pinball, what they're playing, that kind of stuff. It's actually really interesting getting to know little slivers of people all over the world. I think it's kind of fascinating, especially how they got into it. Some people have similar stories. Some people, it's very random, especially like what the games that they really enjoy and what they're currently playing. Myself, I do own a couple of games, but I'm a competitive player, play quite a bit at District 82 in De Pere, Wisconsin, which is an hour the other way for me to travel.
    11:18
    Poor Rachel. She's right in the middle of all this greatness, but she's got to drive to get there. It's all right, though. I don't mind. And District A too, that's a little place with just a couple of games, right? Yeah, it's just a couple of games, like a little over 100 games there.
    11:30
    And it is really a phenomenal place. I say that to everybody that has not been there, that I really hope that you make a trip, an opportunity to come out there for, especially if you're a tournament player. He does a lot of tournaments where it's a Saturday and he's open on Friday night, also for like a four strike. He tries to make it a full weekend for everybody. I also run a women's pinball tournament series called Ladies. Oh, golf clap everyone, yay Called Ladies Flip Wisconsin How long have you been running this? Oh man It was a year in October Since my first one And I think I've run six tournaments now That is I don't know what I'm doing, still true Rachel texts me about these Before they happen And the amount of work that goes into these I mean, why don't you just You don't have to tell them every little detail but it's not like you just say, I want to have a tournament, right? Well, yes and no, right? So when I first started, I asked Jim Maradovich of Milwaukee Flippers, which is welcome to you here. He has a really nice collection. I asked him, say, Jim, I want to do a ladies' tournament of some sort. Can we come play your collection? And he's like, sure, what day? So I'll always be thankful to Jim, and hopefully later this year that we'll be able to get back there again and play again there. messy messy words words are hard yeah words are always hard uh so i've done six different ones and i think sometimes people come to me and they say hey you know we'd really love to have a bunch of women get together and come play our collection and i've also approached other players or friends that have nice collections to say would you be willing to open your home so it goes both ways from there I have a wonderful friend named Jacqueline Steffen who she lives down in Chicago she does all my graphic art in terms of my flyers except for my upcoming one at District 82 but she does all of that for me I put that together and I just kind of release it I don't do a lot of hounding women to come play I think it's uh you know sharing it in Wisconsin Pinball Group and Bells and Chimes if it's a bigger international women's back up if I can also share it in the Women's Bells and Chimes Facebook group. Killing, murdering the name there, sorry.
    13:49
    No, you're fine, you're fine. So usually I just share my flyer in the Wisconsin Pinball group and within the International Bells and Chimes group on Facebook, and that's about it. I don't, and I talk to the gals I play with, obviously, at District 82. But generally what happens is one woman's like, oh, I really, this is something I'm really into. And they talk to a sister or friend, somebody else, a neighbor, someone else that might come over to their house and play games and say, hey, there's this ladies' tournament that's going on at this other person's house. I know, why don't you come play? And so then I gain another woman. Yes. It's like, it makes me excited every time I'm able to recruit another woman into playing. It is, it can be a casual thing, and it's always a fun thing. And it can be something people play casually. It can be something that people play competitively. It's also an opportunity just to get out of the house and enjoy yourself with other like-minded women. It's a lot of fun. I find it a lot of fun. Yes, there's a lot of effort in running it, but I get a lot of support. And I also have learned to delegate. While the tournament day is being held, I ask the host to do, I kind of expect, I guess, the host to do X, Y, and Z, and we talk about what those things are prior to it. And I work together with them. Usually whoever's in charge of the collection, they do a great job of getting their games all set to go because that's part of it working with them. I bring in a scorekeeper, Matt McCarty comes in, and he scorecaps for me for almost all of my tournaments. I really appreciate that because it gives me an opportunity not only to direct or co-direct the tournament, usually I'm co-directing with Cassidy Milonowski. As we do that, it gives me the opportunity to also play. But he and I work really well together. He's a funny guy. He's great about making sure that we're setting up the correct style of tournament because it can be a little bit difficult navigating match play if you're not used to it and your eyes aren't able to normally see what you need to see right away in order to set it to go. So it's been a learning progress that way.
    16:01
    I don't know, Drew. it's a lot of fun I write to all the big people I'm like can you please send me some swag you know us gals she wrote to me I did I got some really great porn man's pinball Ian sent me all that he sent me great emails stickers and t-shirts I go out and I look for I found little pinball buttons and pins that people can wear drafts park pins I recently found it goes on so every woman can go home if they want with some kind of little thing like, oh yeah, I went and played and had a fun time today. Swag. Yeah, swag. And I think that encourages the player to say, I want to go back again because, yeah, she has some cool stuff. Maybe she'll have like a, like player two, this last one I had, they had t-shirts and sweatshirts that they gave away. That's cool if you're into the community. Absolutely. Now, so when you were talking about the women that come to these tournaments and you said like their sister or their, you know, somebody told them about it. So are a lot of these people, this is their first time playing a tournament and maybe Maybe they were intimidated before and they come to this. Yeah, generally it's a welcoming space. I try to make sure it's a welcoming space. The women that play, there's about six of us that play every league, every tournament in District 82, six of us ladies. You guys are hardcore ladies. We're hardcore. My silver ball sisters. I love you ladies. You know who you are.
    17:23
    But they, even though they're competitive, when it's a, for example, we played a player two arcade in Green Bay. just recently and I had five or six new women, new women to pinball that came along. And usually I can count on those women to say, hey, I know that you're new and this is how you load the game. This is how you start the game. The new women that come play are there to check out a new sport, a new hobby, a new pastime, a new venture with a friend. I also think it's a great, when it's a women's event, there's a whole different vibe that's there. I think women are more encouraging overall to each other, like good game, nice ball, or did you know how to open up this multi-ball, or did you know that you're one shot away, can I help you, that kind of thing. I think there's a lot of support from the women that play competitively all the time. I think that they're a little bit more open in that environment to answer questions. Not that they aren't in other spaces. They might not be coming out the right way. But it's a different situation overall. And I think that for women out there that play in different tournaments, I think they'd agree with that. It's just a different vibe than it is in playing an opener overall type of event. I think that being able to provide a safe space is really important as well for women to come and feel comfortable to be surrounded by other women that support them and what they're doing in pinball too. So that's also part of it. But of course, Ladies' Football Wisconsin, the number one thing I'm really trying to do, Drew, is just get more women into playing. And so I'm slowly but surely accomplishing that. So I feel really good about getting, I think it was six new women at this last tournament up in Green Bay. I had 19 women on a Sunday. Who knew I could do that? That is so great. Yeah. And if that was out of context, that would sound really dirty. Probably. And we have cracked open the fireball. We have just poured some fireball. So if people want to get a hold of you and ask you about these women's tournaments and different things, what is the best way to do that? Sure, absolutely. Or some use swag. You're talking about that? Sure, sure. Send all your swag to Rachel. Yeah, and let me tell you, if you listen to my podcast in the past, too, I always thank everybody that provides that. Try multi-ball with Rachel on the PPN. Yeah, yes, on the Poor Man's Pinball Network right here. You can reach me. Definitely send me a message on Facebook. You know, that's a really easy way to get in touch with me. my email for the ladies of wisconsin is ladiesflipwi at gmail.com well that's easy yeah pretty nice simple ladiesflipwi at gmail.com yeah perfect don't uh don't be afraid to reach out i don't bite too hard so okay okay well good it's it's so good to just hear you know anyone who's joining the hobby yes um i want lots of new players not men women i want them all to come You hear this all the time where it's like, you know, the old guard, right? All these people that, you know, some of these stodgy old men that have been around for 100 years and they're just like, they just don't want anybody new. Right. It's just like, no, no, this is how it should be. And they hate all the new games. Yes. Yes, exactly. So it's so cool just to hear that, you know, it's a positive thing. Yeah. And more people are getting it. You know, when I hear like the sisters or the brothers or, you know, whoever is like coming into this thing. Yes. It's pretty awesome. For sure. there's actually a couple of families that I know that they play as a group that they'll come into District 82 and they'll play not just like the mom and dad but their grown children and their grandchildren will come in and play and I think that's fantastic three generations of pinballers that's pretty awesome so any wow that's a lot of poor man's pinball news well yeah I don't know that's it that's all you do? I'm having fun just enjoying playing pinball That's it. That's awesome. That's what it's all about, the bottom line. That was great. So reach out to Rachel anytime. She's just fun to hang out with, too. Drinking with Rachel is great. Smoking with Rachel is great. Playing pinball with Rachel is great. I've done all those things with Rachel. Yeah. And they're all fantastic. So we're going to talk more about that. She's going to be here for this whole episode. We're having a good time. So my personal pinball news.
    21:38
    It's been quite a while. I know I did a podcast a couple weeks ago. um that was just kind of on a rush that was a short one just kind of you know getting my feet wet for 2022 if you will um but they're 2022 this is an exciting year for the poor man's football podcast yeah absolutely and rachel when when did you first uh come on board i want to say it's march will be a year okay i think it was march or april and we put out 21 episodes that's unbelievable okay so 21 episodes try multiball with rachel and tim that is amazing um so so 2022 what are we doing here um like i said we're kind of launching this this ppn i mean don't don't expect like this huge you know rollout we're not we're not streaming games i know a lot and and the only reason why i mean i would actually like to stream games but everybody's doing that right yeah like there's nothing wrong with it i love it it's great but you know here at the poor mans we've always kind of done things to our own drummer and absolutely our own beat yeah our own beat and we do what we do um so so i'm gonna do some some things will be uh samey but you know we're trying to do it in a different way so i actually have some uh some rest of videos i'm going to make um as in restorations um i've been working on my sorcerer as i said so i've kind of been documenting that um but the difference see here here's the here's the twist here's the difference most of these restoration videos the guys know what they're talking about right yeah I have no clue. No clue. No clue? Me neither, friend. So my idea is I'm going to show you guys what I'm doing on this game while I'm drinking. And I'm going to say, you know, hey, this is what we're doing. I need your help. Yeah. This is going to be a community build, right? Are you going to show us when you fuck things up? Yes. Oh, I curse. Yes, you did. I curse here. Say it again. Fuck, fuck, shit. Fuck, fuck, fuck, shit. Yes. Fuck, shit, fuck, shit. Rachel's so excited about that. Yeah. So yeah, I think it's going to be a fun way of doing it Because I know some of the stuff I'm doing But I'm also going to be looking for input And I'm going to say, hey, this is where I'm stuck, right? Because usually you do these videos And you'll see them cut out And then they find the answer Nope, nope Here I'm going to be like, I don't know what the fuck's going on So it's an open-ended video Yes, yes Open-ended video And like, dear viewer At the end of the video It's Drew like sobbing Pretty much Into his glass of fireballs Sobbing like, please somebody out there please help me. I can't figure out this issue. And then the video cuts. Yes, and then we go to the next one. Okay, then you go to the next one. But then you promise that you'll give your viewers a follow-up? Yes. Okay, and you just keep working on this for a while? I'm going to be doing my first play field swap. I have restored some games. I fixed some games. But I'm not Dave Brennan. Dave Brennan makes great videos. He builds great looking games. Me? I got my box of rocks. I got my game. A funnel. Yep, a funnel, some oil. I don't know what I'm doing. A boomerang Yeah That was for you Rodden Yeah We figuring this all out But it going to be fun because at the end of the day I am going to get it done And by the way lots of people have been reaching out to me Like, there are people that are going to be helping. Maybe it'll be like the hotline. I'll call somebody in the middle of a video and say, hey, can you help me out with this? Phone a friend. Yeah, phone a friend. The phone a friend option. Lifeline. Oh, okay, yes. I like that. I think that's fantastic. Do not call me. But if you need, like, a drink recipe or, you know, you need me to talk you off the ledge or you need me to talk to Kathleen, you know, and say, Kathleen, it's okay. He's got it under control. It's just a podcast. Oh, I love it. But, you know, I'm there for you, boo. You're here with the fire extinguisher? Sure. By the way, Kathleen bought some fire extinguishers the other day, and I said, why'd you do that? She goes, you're working on those things in the basement. She goes, you need fire extinguishers. And she was dead serious. This is not a joke. I come home with these two fire extinguishers I'm like what we don't need fire extinguishers what is happening here I need them apparently so we'll see well safety third that's the tagline of the video safety third so that's coming up I'm excited I think that's a fantastic idea I thought it was fun yeah why not have some fun with it there's going to be more podcasts than ever because now we have lovely Rachel here with Tim the Tuna Mount Lee. Not as lovely, Tim the Tuna Mount Lee. Doing Tribe Multi-Ball. They've been doing that 22 episodes. Crazy. And then as Rachel mentioned earlier, we have Tribe Member number two, Martin. He's not number two. He's Tribe Member number two. Is he number two? He's Listener number 15. That's it. Keep it straight.
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    By the way, once again, I don't remember most people's numbers. I only know Ryan Kuyper's number one, Martin's number two. That's kind of where it ends.
    26:32
    I'm not going to question that. We'll get into that. We'll talk more about the tribe members later, but Rachel alluded to Pinball Junk Drawer, which Martin has been doing podcasts for, what, 20 years? Forever. Yeah. He did B-movie podcasts. He always has that great radio voice. It's great. He is so funny. He's awesome. He is hilarious. Even his, I have not finished the Metallica one. Oh, I'm so good. I haven't finished it yet, but because it's a much longer one, but all the short ones I've listened to, and he is so funny. Yes. Like, laugh out loud funny. Yes. He's totally, he's appealing to, I think, us poor men and women. The poor people of the world. The poor people. He is. So if you haven't, please, please, please do me a favor. Listen to Pinball Junk Drawer. So he had these old interviews the one she was referring to it was dirty donnie um right after metallica came out and he was down at um because he used to live in florida so it's a southern fried gaming or something florida free play florida thank you um he did this interview with dirty donnie it was amazing because he also knew a lot about dirty donnie's art he wasn't just like this fan boy saying hey you know whatever and they sat and they talked they drank beers it was awesome He's got one about Cosmic Carnival that just came out. I think he's on episode five now. Maybe. So go to the Poor Man's page. It's all on there. Try Multiball with Tim and Rachel. Rachel and Tim, sorry. Whichever. We call it something different every time. Well, I always say Rachel and Tim because even with real estate, I just do this. For me, it's just a good laugh. Whenever I'm dealing with a couple, I always put the woman's names first. That's what it should be. On the contract. Yeah. So when I'm doing the contract. I'm always like nope the woman signs first well there you go that's how it works there you go so check it out Pinball Junk Drawer and Try Multiball with Rachel and that other guy yeah sucks at pinball great stuff yeah that other guy who sucks at pinball so between that and me doing I'm going to do more of these like short episodes by myself because like I said now I don't have to you know get suited up drive to Ian's whatever I can just get drunk in my basement and do it oh yeah clap for that yeah So that's awesome. So yeah, launching PPN. I'm also going to be starting Facebook Live videos. Oh, I'm excited about that. Because this is something that is really at the core of what I enjoy about pinball, and that has always been the community and the interaction, kind of what we're doing right now. So Rachel and I are vibing and ribbing off of one another. Having fun, right? So my thought was we're going to do Poor Man's Happy Hour and let the world see it. Great. So that's coming. I'm hoping to have that up and running by February. So we're talking a couple short weeks here. I'm going to figure out some stuff. I got some actually funny things planned. I think you guys are really going to enjoy it. Rachel's looking at me. She doesn't even know yet. No, I have no clues. This is all news to me too, friends. This is all brand new. And then one of the things, once again, going back to the community, I'm most excited about, there are going to be more tribe members in 2022. Really? Hmm. And hang on, wait for it. So right now we are up to... 42, 43.
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    43, okay? 43 tribe members, which we will read off later so everyone knows who's what and who's cool and pinball and who's not. If you're not on that list, you're not cool. That's just how it works. Apparently. I wouldn't listen to any of that bullshit if I was you, but, you know. I'm shooting for maybe a possibly... But I love my tribe members. He knows I love my tribe members. Another 25 or 30 this year. That's crazy. It is crazy. That's crazy. Here's the deal. This is such a nice community. More and more people have been wanting to get in it. I don't want it to be, like, super exclusive. Right. I want to involve a lot of people.
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    Kaneda, sorry, you're still not invited. I love you. I love you, Chris. I do. Everyone knows I respect Chris. I love Chris. It's not happening, unless you want to share that sweet, sweet Patreon money with me. Who's Kaneda? All right. Who's that? Who's K-Man?
    30:41
    But, no, seriously. So we're actually inducting one later today. We are. Cat's out of the bag. Yes. And like I said, I'm hoping for, you know, maybe not 30, but let's say, you know, 20. I think that's great. So we'll be up at a solid, you know, 60 to 70. I think that's a really good goal. Like you said, the tribe, you don't want it to be, you want it to be inclusive. Yes. I think is what you're getting there. I want it to be special and inclusive. It is. And it is. And I think the people that are within it, they actually, a lot of folks, they chit-chat with each other on a pretty frequent basis. And it's a nice resource for me to go to the tribe and say, hey, this is going on. What are your thoughts? And I really appreciate that. The tribe has brought me a lot of personal joy and opened a lot of other doorways. And I think that's good for other people in the tribe. And also, because when it's such a big community, to be able to get to know just, I'm saying pinball at large is a pretty big community. it's nice to get to know this one person that represents columbus ohio pinball scene talk about tish and women's pinball out there shout out to tish about yeah or you know or we talk about billy y jane what he's doing down in hotlanta you know so that's interesting to me is to get to know these like these different people yeah all over the world we all love the same thing we're all in it we're gathered about one thing that's pinball that's cool stuff and and what i like about it Like I said, sans a couple of people who I won't call out. I've said that. Like, that's not what this is about. But, you know, sans a couple of people in the tribe, most people really enjoy being in the tribe. And they wear it as, like, a badge of honor. For sure. And I love that. Yeah. And not because it's not some egotistical thing. It's that, you know, these people, yeah, we message. We have this silly. Care about each other. Yeah, we have this silly Facebook group that we love. Yeah. And we have so much fun with it. And, you know, a lot of these people have become my friends. And to Rachel's point, they're all over the world, all over the country. And when we go, man, I can't say it enough, that expo. You know, and that was the other thing, that people who weren't in the tribe at expo, they were just like, holy cow, I didn't know this was a real thing. Right. And then when they saw everybody there, they were like, this is a real thing. Being really silly. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, we're just having fun. We're drinking. We had like our, air quotes now, the gang. Yeah, it was the gang. Yeah, we're walking around the hallways with bottles of booze. Yeah. And this was like, it was like being in high school or college, right? That was the feeling I got. For sure. It was really fun. Len Wechter never had, did not have a bottle of booze in his hand. I thought what was so cool is when I was on Friday night when I was finishing my qualifying for the tournament, that a couple of tribe members came and watched me play Jurassic Park. And, you know, and stood there. And that, to me, that was so cool. So I turned around because I won the game. They were supporting you. They were there. My fucking tribe people are here supporting me. And to me, one of the boosts is that because it's like, if you play competitive pinball, you go to a tournament, it's not like your family can come up in the stands and cheer. Correct. You know, so having that happen at Expo, that's really cool. And you've got people cheering you on. It's awesome. It's like having that little built-in extra family. Yes, yes. Go to the Poor Man's Pinball fan page, and you'll see the picture of the tribe members at Expo. and that group, there was like almost 20 people there that was half the tribe it was and we were just having fun and the whole weekend was just a huge party and it was so enjoyable MGC well April it's coming up so anyways, I'm not going to waste too much time with that but 2022 big year for Poor Man's Pinball Podcast once again, thank you so much to Ian I'm really sad He's not going to be a part of this going forward, but, you know, he's welcome to come back any time, and he might, but for now. Yeah, maybe he'll guest star a couple episodes. Oh, he definitely will. Maybe he'll come in the restoration video and come fuck shit up. But the hardest thing for me was trying to find a new voice without him. Absolutely. Because, you know, it's no secret. You know, I've said this before. You know, he's 50% of the Poor Man's Pimp Ball podcast. So when I lost him, you know, I didn't know what to do. Some of those episodes were, I'll just say it, they weren't great. You know, I was trying to do something. You know, it's good. Yeah, you're forging a new path. Exactly. It's going to be different. I understand you guys love the drunkenness and the dad jokes and stuff, and I do as well. I can't do that by myself because then I would just be a poor, sad man drinking in my basement telling dad jokes to nobody. maybe we'll try that one week just for fun and I did consider that momentarily and I was like no that would be terrible no I mean that's how alcoholism starts you know you shouldn't be drinking alone at least have a drink with someone else well no I'm okay drinking alone don't misunderstand but my point is no matter what I do no matter how talented or charming I am it won't be the same because he's not here Right. And the thing is, it will never be the same. And I am talented and charming, by the way. He's super talented and charming. Cute as a button.
    35:59
    But no, the thing is, too, is with change, things will never be the same. Correct. And so it's about forging a new path. I love that. Forging a new path. Yeah, my friend. Figuring out what works best for you and your style. Yes. Doing a solo, a one-man show. I'm going to encourage you. This is fun. I'll come down again sometime. Oh, you're welcome anytime. But I encourage you. You know, you've got other, there's other folks in the area, too. There are. There are. That would love to come. No, I've had a huge outpouring of people. Yeah. There are people I've said. But it's weird. But it's probably still weird. It is weird. Yeah. And people are saying, I want to be your co-host. Yeah. And I'm like, no, no, no. I don't want to be your co-host, too. Yeah, I know. You won't be. I just want to guest star.
    36:34
    You got it right. There's a lot less work that way. Yeah, I don't want any extra work. He does. But no, many people have reached out. Lots of kind words. Lots of good support. Oh, by the way, before I forget. Yes. Don't forget. Do the thing. Man. so last episode I gave out my phone number right because like I said well I'm a public figure I'm a realtor so my phone number is out there it's not a big deal because I told my wife and then when I explained that to her she goes oh yeah I guess if you google me I'm the first thing that shows up so I don't have it in front of me I wish I would wrote it off but I want to say thank you many many people texted me that I've never met no many people So I'm going to get the messages together, and I'm going to share them on the next episode. Because like I said, I didn't have it. And we're going to run a little long today, which is fine. Because we're having fun with Rachel here, because I love her. But no, many, many people reached out, texted. That's hilarious. And never met them before in my life. Yeah. And some people just said, hey, you know, I'm so-and-so. I've been listening for a year. I've been listening for two years. I love what you're doing. Keep going. Doesn't that just blow your mind? It was. Time after time.
    37:43
    Incredible. I was going to say, it's still like there's this fresh new feeling every single time. And it's like, oh, well, that's really cool. Yes. I'm right there with you. I'm not going to give out my personal phone number to people. Rachel's number is. 555.
    37:59
    No, but when people say something about the effort that you put into the community, it's a big deal. There's actually another YouTube gentleman, I really wish I could remember, that recently posted, I think, in Pinball Enthusiasts about that, about how important it is that we actually thank the content creators within Pinball. Because they're putting a lot of effort and their time and money and so forth into creating content for others. So really, that's cool that you got a really good response to hear that. We're not begging for that. We're asking for it. No, no. Just that's really kind. Yes. Kind people are my kind of people. I know they are. they are and and i like i said i will thank you guys properly but yeah these strangers like i said literally never met them and they're just like drew i heard the last episode i just wanted to text you and saying so many people i've been talking to now i saved them my phone you know just just these great words that you know some guys were like i've been listening to you for two years yeah that's amazing it is it was so humbling and once i i just want to say thank you because I don't do this for the money. Right. I make nothing. It costs me money. Right. Yeah. Preach. You know, I don't do this for my ego or narcissism. I love pinball. And like I said, more so than the games. And when I first got in this hobby, that was what it was all about. But now it's totally shifted to the community. Yeah. And these great people. Right. I know I've said it a hundred times. But yeah, I just wanted to, like I said, I'll get a more proper list together so I can thank these people. I'm glad you didn't forget to mention that. No, I think, yeah, it was so awesome. So anyways, there we are. We're going to keep moving along here so we can get through our list of awesome things here.
    39:39
    So now on a slightly more somber note, Lyman Sheets passed away this week. Super sad for his family, his friends. I can't say that I ever knew him or met him, so it's not like that. And, you know, I can't imagine because he was, I just found out today from Rachel, he was 55. I thought he was in his early 60s. Either way, it's still way too young. Absolutely. So to everyone at the pinball companies, you know, his family, his friends who are hurting, my condolences. I saw that awesome post of John Borg. He posted a picture of him and Lyman, you know, because they obviously worked together for many years. And going and getting coffee and just being goofy. and I just want to say that, you know, life is short, and I always say, you know, hug the people around you, you know, who you love. Every day. Yeah, every day. Tell them you love them. Don't go to bed angry. All that stuff. It sounds cliche, but as you get older, you know, I mean, you know, this year it was already, you know, Betty White and Bob Sagan and, you know, all these people. So my heart goes out to them. So all I wanted to do with Lyman today was just kind of just go through his list of games because like I said I didn't know him so I'm not going to pretend like you know me neither I didn't know him either Drew at all I never really had the pleasure to meet him which is unfortunate but I will say in the community seeing them on a post are not talking about his games but they're talking about what a wonderful person he was and to me if there's any way to become a legend in this world it's to be remembered for your kindness, your generosity your approachability your gentleness all of those things in the world matter so much more and and just i'm like some of the posts i read like brought tears in my eyes because he really deeply affected yes had some deep friendships with the community so i'm so sorry for everybody's loss yeah no it is and um you know he was he was a giant in the community because you know he's up there with steve ritchie and john borg and these guys that have been making games for 40 years and and it is kind of weird because you do kind of get to know these people, air quotes again. Right. Because it's like you have their games and you're like, oh, you know, everyone talked about, you know, how Lyman was so special with his codes. And I've owned several of his games. So what I want to do now is just we're going to go through his list of games. Talk about them. Just talk about them a little bit. You know, we're not going to dwell on each one for a ton of time, but I just thought it was interesting.
    42:17
    So going all the way back to 1994. so I'm assuming this is like the first game he worked on because these are usually in the corner of Pinside so you got the Who Tommy Pinball it's crazy I didn't know that it's a great game right? yeah it's a fantastic game so game design and software he did on there and then Royal Rumble have you ever played that one? I have played Royal Rumble Royal Rumble's fun it is fun that's just a Royal Rumble's like a guilty pleasure game right? it is the call outs on it are a lot of fun it is it's just great he did the software on that one then I learned on this too He did a couple of custom games. Because here it says one produced, Richie Rich. Richie Rich only one. Only one produced. I didn't do my homework, but I'm assuming they probably took another Data East game and made it into that. And skinned it? Yeah. Okay, all right. Yeah, so kind of cool, though, game design and software animation. Probably saying he worked on it in his part-time. Interesting. So very cool. But we'll go to the ones that people know. The original Guns N' Roses. Everyone's talking about JJP, right? But they forget. I mean, so he was there, Data East, game design and software. Very cool.
    43:23
    Maverick. I've not had to play that. I've not played that either. That's one of those, another Data East game concept software. So very cool. Then there's another Kabuki, which is another, looks like they're two produced. So it must have been another custom build. That's interesting. Maybe they're trying to make their own company at some time. Who knows? Yeah, I'm curious. Do we have to go out on the pin side and read about those? We'll have to find out. Sure. No Fear. He worked with another giant, Steve Ritchie, right? That's a lot of fun. So here's, yeah, talk about a fast game, just crazy, good rules. So that's a Lyman special.
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    Moving right along, Attack from Mars. Doesn't need an introduction. We all know it. The fact that he, you know, is responsible for the code on that one, pretty amazing. Medieval Madness followed up after that. Come on. Yeah. These are all just unbelievable. From here, it's just all the games. And hang on, it gets better. Monster Bash. Yes. So we've got three games in a row now that he worked on that are like masterpieces, essentially. I'd agree with that. I never get bored of playing any of them. No, no. They're really, really fun games. Revenge from Mars in 99, that was the whole Pinball 2000.
    44:36
    If that thing would have took off, who knows, but it's very cool. Yeah, it's a neat game. Sopranos, it's another fun game. unfortunately that's when Stern wasn't doing so hot and they were just kind of throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks but very cool excuse me then one of my personal favorites Spider-Man Rachel was playing it earlier today that's a Lyman Sheets special I that's one of my favorite games not just because of the theme the rules are good that one is just a total package game and I'm glad that Lyman had his role in that as well then we got Batman Dark Knight you ever play that one I have okay Tim Lee had that didn't he uh no I think he had a Sega version Batman there was like five or six Batman's I don't know that this is the one they reskinned for 66 okay yeah yeah they took this kind of design CSI yes CSI is a real limited run right I thought it wasn't a heck of a lot of them. But, yeah, CSI was, that's interesting. I think I played that in Fort Wayne.
    45:47
    Yeah, it doesn't say how many here. I'm glad your eyes can read that. And then followed up by 24, another Stern classic from 2009. Once again, that was when Stern wasn't doing so hot.
    46:01
    We have NBA, which is another Stern title from 2009. And then Iron Man. Man, that game is kick-ass. I like that game because it kicks my ass. Every time I play it, I like it. It's good. It goes on me. That's one I've wanted.
    46:16
    Like I said, I'm into the superheroes and stuff, and it's another Lyman game. I might get that one in my collection one of these days.
    46:23
    Big Buck Hunter. Yeah. Just a fun game. I've not played it, but I watched the one guy stream it. Oh, yeah. He streamed quite a bit of it. Probably the only guy that ever streamed it. I'm like, this is neat. but I'm killing deer. Yeah. Yeah, go on. We're in Wisconsin. Yeah. Why is that news to you? I don't know. Like, when I play Frontier, I'm not thinking about, like, killing predators. I'm thinking about rescuing them.
    46:47
    Yeah, like, I want to save the buffalo in Frontier. Yeah, I am. I want to save them. Save the wolves. Oh, my God. We got Avatar 2010.
    46:55
    I haven't... It's a fun game. I played one game, one or two games on a pro, so I think I need to revisit that. Sure. Rolling Stones. Don't play that. I have to say, I've said this on a couple of episodes. Sorry, Lyman. Rest in peace. This isn't your fault because it's not code. That is one of the worst games I've ever played. Really? Oh, it's terrible. I'm not missing anything. No, no. Sorry. Rolling Stones was a huge mess all around.
    47:23
    Then, of course, we get to some of his really popular ones. Tron. Yeah. Tron is highly regarded as one of the best rules, best layouts, best everything. in a lot of different respects.
    47:36
    ACDC, another working with the Giants, Steve Ritchie. That game really fits that theme. ACDC? I think that it really fits that theme, yeah.
    47:46
    ACDC, big turning point for pinball. So, you know, talk about impact on the community. That was his impact because between him and Steve Ritchie, people argue that might have saved pinball. Really? Yes. Well, sure, because once again, before that, you know, Trine was a sleeper when it came out, and Stern wasn't doing well. Okay, great. So then ACDC, you know, like I said, Rolling Stones didn't land like ACDC, because like I said, you've never even played it, right? Yeah, right. I don't think I've ever played one. So the way I understand it is ACDC came out, you know, they put the bell in there, right? everything's in there and the whole world just dropped their jaw and said what this isn't pinball right this is crazy we got we got licensed songs we got all this stuff so acdc correct me if i'm wrong uh poor man's pinball gmail.com or call ian um that that that kind of was the turning point because they sold a bunch of units yep yep there you go uh metallica yeah Killer of a game Juggernaut theme Juggernaut game Juggernaut Yep How do you use that word? Juggernaut of a game And then that's followed up by The Walking Dead Yeah Another juggernaut game I really also dig that game too And then there's some remakes Like Midday of Madness Spider Because he already worked on those So that a no brainer Batman 66 Yeah When that code came out it was largely unfinished
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    I think people told me it had like two or three modes in it. That was it. Like you couldn't do the mini... Oh, anything else? Oh, it was... Wow. It was like this... Really rough. It was one of the most basic codes ever because they were just rushing you to get to the end of the job. They needed money. And then Lyman put his polish on it, and now everyone's like, this is... The best game ever. Yeah, exactly. so then we got some more um you know remakes like attack from mars acdc came out again that's all fine and good um and then we get to elvira yeah so elvira was like his last like big hit and that thing's just well regarded by everybody yes it's a beautiful game it's amazing that was another one that you know now i wish i would have got not because of the price, but I really enjoyed it. The theme wasn't really resonating with me to begin with, but I played it, and I was just like, this game is great. Like the rule set to it? Yeah, that's what I'm saying. It doesn't have to be the theme. It's the fan layout, but it's got the cool toys, and then, you know, I play it, it's got all the cool jackpot shots and different things going on, and, you know, I could have got one for quote-unquote regular price, and I didn't. I'm a dummy.
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    And, well, we can to talk about prices yeah a little bit here but it is the way it is thank you for actually going over that list of games for me you know i still consider myself rookie rachel although glenn says it's my sophomore rachel now you are but i'm like i still consider myself rookie rachel because i don't know all the designers and the artists and the coders and everything else that goes into it so pay a lot of respect to that it is and and i do want to let people know i mean because sometimes people do forget that because they always say oh it's the the designer's game right like this is keith allen's game or this is you know in keith allen's case it might be a little different because he does do the rules and stuff but in most cases like you know a john borg or steve ritchie they might have some input but you know largely they're not doing the the software they're not doing the rules they're just literally designing the game okay so now you have someone like lyman or tim Yeah, whoever. They're kind of crafting this game to make it, you know, Dwight Sullivan, all these people that do this.
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    You know, the designer, like I said, in a lot of cases, is the layout. Yeah. And, you know, you've got art, you've got all these other things, and people say, well, this is Keith's game or John Borg's game. No, it's a team. There's a huge team of people. I actually listened to Mr. Elvin on Loser Kid, and he talked about that too, and he thanked the people that worked on his team for Godzilla. And I think that's fantastic because you have to recognize that it's a community of people that are just putting the whole thing together. No, absolutely. And putting the people on the line. Yes. Someone's got to put them together. Heck, yeah. And doing it right. Because I open up my game and I'm like, I don't think I can do that for a living. Nope, not at all. But rest in peace, Mr. Sheets. Yeah, Lyman, you will be sorely missed. and um hug your people tell them you love them every day yeah yeah please please do i love you rachel i know and uh you know hopefully we'll you know the the rumor has it he was working on cactus canyon maybe we'll see some of that code that would be kind of cool great to have that come out um so anyways let's uh let's move on here um we're running a little long so i think what we're going to do because we've already beat this over the head a million times about the prices. We have? Oh. We don't want to talk about, you know. We can. I mean, what's the most outrageous game that you've seen priced recently? Oh my gosh. So recently I saw one guy had a Deadpool Pro and a Ghostbusters Pro. Now hang on. This is crazy. For $9,300.
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    Now if I said that last year. Each. You would have said, you beat me to the punchline. Shit. You're fine. You would have said, yeah, yeah, that's a good price, $9,300 for the pair. For the pair? Yeah. Nope, nope, nope, $9,300 each.
    53:32
    I saw a safecracker for $10. I'm pretty sure it was $10. No, I think it was somewhere between $10 and $11. And that was a beautiful game. Oh, no, it was. It was a great chip. I mean, Neil, that was this game. It was beautiful, absolutely gorgeous looking game, looked like well-maintained. But $10,000 for a safecracker, I really want one. It's a cool little game, right? It is. a 10G I can't this girl could take a nice trip to Australia for a 10G and once again these games I was talking about these are pros this isn't like an LE someone put up their Deadpool LE for like $16,000 I saw a Tron for $20 I'm pretty sure I saw a Tron LE maybe for $20 great game but not for $20 the sad thing is it's much like a lot of these other things comics collectible whatever some of this stuff isn't really rare you know you would think based on the price it is rare but it's not it's just that yes it's harder to find some of these now can you compare it to like buying a boat like in terms of you're buying a boat for 10 grand i don't even know how much a boat is but let's say okay that's okay so let's say uh 16 grand for a pinball game or 16 grand for a boat Okay, so the boat might be something you can buy a boat anywhere, right? Yes, I talked to all boats I don't know if they're all the same, but if you're looking at a certain class of boats, you can all buy the same boat Yeah, you can go in many many places, right? Right and so pinball the difference with that and the book price is gonna stay the same Generally or might go up if it's got a little new fancy thing or whatever
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    People collect people collect RVs boats Motorboats, motorcycles, ATVs, snowmobiles. People have all the different hobbies. So, yeah, it's money you're spending to your hobby and your passion. But it's also still right there with you. I don't think it's... No, there's no... Some of it's FOMO, right? Yeah, I think maybe it's FOMO. There's a lot of this FOMO. Maybe. Because, you know... Ouch. That's all it is, is ouch. Yeah. You get bit by the pinball bug. Yeah. And now you're like, well, I have to have this. And the reality is you don't. And there still are some deals to be had out there, but, you know, now it's like every year that goes by, you've got to get an older, older game or an EM or, you know what I mean? Or you just buy it brand new out of the box. Well, and that's really... If you can. I was going to say, that's really the problem, right? Because I'll share this story. I hope he doesn't mind, and I don't usually ask him permission. Sorry, Zach.
    56:09
    So I have a Godzilla on order. and it might not be coming until late this year, early next year. Cool, right? Premium? Premium, yep. Which is fine, because I've got to move something out anyway, so I'm like, well, shit, then I don't have to sell anything right now. I can just keep enjoying it. So that's cool. Well, then there's these rumors of games coming out. What are the rumors? Venom is one of them. Oh, okay. I heard about that. Yeah, that one's supposedly the next one. The theme doesn't turn me on, but playing a new game is always fun. exactly but i'm huge into it right spider-man venom all this stuff so i said to zach i want to be on your list for venom and he said cool he said you're you're number one i was like great is this also the list for futurama well zach no zach if you're listening you know when that futurama comes out i'm number one for le i will pay you day one i don't give a shit no he he knows that that's just a given that's like the one theme that yes every everyone in pinball knows but I might legitimately get a Venom premium before a Godzilla. Oh, yeah. And Venom hasn't even been announced yet. That is a real possibility. You know what I mean? How crazy is that when you say that? It's just nuts. Well, the demand is so high. It is. It is what it is. And if you want to play pinball, you just have to say to your distributor, say right away, if there's this title, whatever the new title is, it doesn't even matter what the new title is, put me on the list. I want to see a company, and I mean, sorry, I'm just going to piss people off. Piss people off. You do it. I'm here to help. I do it all the time. We'll pick up the pieces. They could make a game and pick the worst dog shit theme in the history of the world.
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    Name a really crummy pinball theme. Oh, like a bad? Yeah, like this would be terrible. Shakespeare. Okay, perfect. I think it would be great. Personally, I think it would be a great theme, but everybody else doesn't like that. Exactly. they could make a Shakespeare pin and they would sell out tomorrow yeah to be or not to be multiple yeah exactly it could be absolutely terrible and people would be like I want it put me on the list I'll take an LE you know it's maddening because that is the truth I'm into Venom Godzilla's cool all these different things that's one thing but like I said a lot of these people they're getting on these lists because yeah maybe they're flipping it or they just want to make money or whatever i'm not mad at them i'm just saying this is the way it is and uh but yeah they could they could make a dog shit theme and yeah and just people are gonna sell that people are gonna buy it it would still be on back order they couldn't make enough right they might sell a few less so hot but yeah it's it's wild so like i said we won't talk are there any other hobbies that are just as hot as pinball yeah so um the other thing uh ian and i i was over at ian's last night by the way people we were watching the packer game with tribe member eric um you know we were talking about some comic books and something that happened since you know since the marvel universe has come yes right it's exploded yeah so so whenever a new movie or uh guardians of the galaxy is the best example okay and i'm not gonna bore you guys but um i spoke to the owner of mile high comics in this in denver okay it's the largest comic book store in the world he's been him and his wife have been doing this for 40 years.
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    And we were, this was several years back, but this was after Guardians of the Galaxy. And he said, the first appearance of Rocket Raccoon from the 70s, they used to sell for like $5. Okay? And they had stacks of them. Because there was just a, Guardians of the Galaxy, for you guys that don't know, in the comic world, they were like D-list celebrities. Yeah, it wasn't a big deal. No, they came out in the 70s. 70s, nobody really cared. It wasn't a big deal. They're a dime a piece. Yeah, exactly. You could buy any Guardians. The first appearance of Groot was like $10. You could collect them all for $100. A couple hundred dollars, you'd have them all. He told me after that movie came out that stupid one with Rocket Raccoon shot up to $500 almost instantly.
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    Wow. Seeing Rocket. Yeah. No pun intended. The Rocket took off. So it goes from $5 to $500. I don't know what it's at today, but the first appearance of Deadpool was another one. First appearance of Deadpool was in the 90s. They were making millions of comic books at that time, like mass producing them, right? The first appearance of Deadpool was in the dollar bin. Yeah. You could literally get it for $1. $1,200 now. $1,300, $1,500, whatever that number is. Well, I think collecting pinball machines is better than collecting Beanie Babies. Mm-hmm. You know, that was another thing, too, when people use those as financial investments. Yes. And, like, in some people, I'm like, I hope you're not buying your pinball machine thinking it's a financial investment. Because I think you can get yourself into a lot of trouble that way. I only put all the games I bought, full disclosure, I think I put, like, maybe one on a credit card. I paid it off. It wasn't, like, whatever. But, you know, anytime you guys hear me about buying a game, and I'm not bragging. This is good, solid advice, I think. You know, I pay cash for it. Yes. Right? It's like, you know, and when I put that one on a credit card, I had the money. It was just like, put it on a credit card, pay it, you know, whatever, zero percent interest or something. But, no, every machine I bought, you know, I sold one, paid cash, whatever, however I figured it out. Being financially responsible is a big part of it. It is. So, like, once again, this isn't a financial podcast. No, but, hey, we're just bullshitting about pinball and having fun. We're just riffing. I love it. If you're still here, thanks for, you know, We're enjoying our fireball. Now you see why Ian and I always went so long. Yeah, for sure. I don't think you ever really went too long. I think it was always good. I really miss the Monday Night Limes. I'm not going to lie. I know a lot of us tribe members do. We'll have to get back to that. I know. So, anyways.
    62:19
    So, Lyman, thanks for all the memories. Thanks for all the great games. Sorry to your family. 2022. What do you think is going to happen in 2022, Rachel? I really hope it's back to the future pinball. because I really, really would like that. I'm really excited. I'm excited to see what P3 is going to be up to. What our friend Steven Silver, the game that he's been working on. Tribe member, Steven Silver. I'm looking forward to that. I'm hoping that... Tribe member number 40, Steven Silver. I have the list. There you go. You're cheating.
    62:54
    I'm looking forward to whatever the next Jersey Jack game is. Even though they're not the best tournament-style games because they're really long-playing games. True, very true. But they are amazing games, so I'm really looking forward to seeing what else they come out with. And I'm not going to lie, I might look at that. I've been saving a little bit of money looking for another game. So if it's a theme that I really dig or that looks really good, that might be where I pull a trigger next. Okay. So, but Back to the Future, do you think that's probable or is that just wishful thinking?
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    50-50. I think 50-50 I don't listen to the rumors I don't listen to all that stuff Well fortunately for you I do that as well But I do listen to a lot of nonsense See that's why I'm here with you But I am the king of wing by the way King of wing We're all winging it But I'm going to run down my quick little list Of predictions for 2022 So Stern is going to release Three more Cornerstone titles But I think most of those titles will not be available for most people until 2023. Logic. Meaning they'll announce them, they'll release them, they'll get a quick little run out of them, right, of like 20, 50 games, 100, whatever it is. That's like 100 maybe? Yeah, 100 to 200 games, I'd say. Those go out, and then you won't be able to get them until 2023. Yeah. Okay? So supposedly Venom's up next, which would probably be, let's call it April maybe. All right. You know, April or May. And I'm number one, right, Zach? Number one. number one. That's right, Drew. Thanks, Zach. No problem, buddy. That's the worst Zach impression ever. I don't know.
    64:38
    He sounds more like this. I'm a shill. No, I sound like Ricky Mouse. Okay. No, just kidding, Zach. I love you. This episode of the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast is brought to you by Flippin' Out Pinball. We love Flippin' Out Pinball. Nicole, keep that man in line. Yes. We love Zach and Nicole. I think JJP is going to announce a game late summer, early fall. Okay. But customers won't see those until 2023 as well. Yeah, none of that surprises me. They still got to make the rest of the Guns N' Roses. They're still working through that. They're coming out. Zach actually has a couple in stock called Flippin' Out Pinball. No, Zach said, I think he's got a couple, so don't quote me on that, but if you want to, L.E. But they're still making them, but they're coming out.
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    We'll see a game this year, but like I said, when it's going to ship, I don't know. We'll see. American Pinball.
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    They keep talking about two games a year. No way. It's not happening. They haven't proven they've been able to do that. They've struggled. They make great games. Their manufacturing is good. They're solid games. But they don't have the capacity to make multiple games like some others. So pump it out. Yeah, so they're going to announce a game, another game this year. Because Legends of Ahala, let's be honest, I'm sure they sold some. It's a cool game. But compared to what else is out there, they couldn't have sold thousands. right yeah compared to godzilla exactly that's the point because you you could they're basically the same price yeah so i i just think um you know and the next one's supposed to be licensed so it'll be interesting fingers crossed for that so um spooky i think spooky is going to finish up halloween and ultraman you know in 2022 they're they're cranking them out they're coming out you know they're still some still haven't played it uh it's i have some of my own halloween now i need to get over there and play. Daryl's one of them. I know. Are you going to be there next week? No, I'm not. I'm going to a fire department banquet. You're dead to me, Rachel. Where I was picking up Sud booze for raffles to make a Bloody Mary basket and an old-fashioned basket. Yeah, why not? Why not? This is Wisconsin. It is Wisconsin.
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    So, yeah, they're going to finish Halloween in Ultraman, and then I think they're going to announce something, I would say, at the end of this year. Yeah. So once again, that one won't go into production until early next year. Yeah, I'm excited to see whatever they come out with next year. Yeah, and Ultraman is a pretty cool theme.
    67:05
    I played both. Halloween was never a theme for me. It's okay. You guys can listen to some of my past episodes. Ian and I talked about it. It's fine.
    67:17
    Alice Cooper's better, in my opinion. Haggis. Hoggis. I always say it wrong. Hoggis pinball. Hoggis. They're going to be making fathoms for all of 22, I think. Remember, these are my predictions, guys. Yeah. I know nothing about nothing. Yeah, we're just, you know, riffing. Yeah. So no one get mad at me. Don't send me hate mail. 414-828-3739.
    67:39
    4manspinball.gmail.com. Send your hate mail. I don't give a shit. I won't respond. Right. Haugus will be making fathoms all of 2022, I think.
    67:48
    And they'll possibly announce something this year. Like, hey, maybe we're going to start making centaurs next year. Yeah, they're going to re-theme, or they're going to re- redo another game, right? Which is cool, and I'm all for it, as long as they can, they have a, they don't have to, like, be pumping out 100 games a day, like Stern, but as long as they can keep a certain cadence. Yeah, cadence, consistency. Sure. If we could say every year we can expect a game like that, that would be awesome. Yeah, I think so, too. You know, every year they're going to make 300 games of this, you know, $10,000 awesome Centaur, Phantasm, Flash Gordon, you know, whatever. Yeah. It'd be super cool, right? It'd be neat. I think it would be very neat. It would be. So, CGC, I think they're going to be making Cactus Canyon for all of 2022. Because they still haven't. Tim Lee has one on order, by the way. And we don't know what he's coming. No, he told me that he was, last time I talked to him, he was 69 days clean. He texted me. Oh, I want to. So, this is our new joke, guys, by the way. Tim Lee, yeah, he sends me messages every day. But, like, every other day or so, he tells me how many days clean he is. And we're not talking about booze or weed or anything like that. It's how many days since he bought a new game. Yes. And right now. And that was a week ago. I'm going to check. You should check. Because he just sent me one yesterday, I think. Well, good for him. Cactus Canyon, actually, I played that at Expo, and I thought that game was magnificent. I'm sorry, it wasn't at Expo, it was at MGC I played it. And I found it to be a lot of fun to play. It was a really cool shooter. I felt that the game was really intuitive in terms of, now it sounds dumb maybe a little bit, but it was really intuitive where to shoot your shot. And sometimes. Shoot your shit. To shoot your shit, shoot your shot. You're shooting our shit right now. That's right, sweetie. Yeah. But no, I thought it was a lot of fun, that game. So good for Tim. Sorry, I found the message. So as of yesterday, Tim Lee is 79 days playing. Okay, all right. But if he ordered a game, was he really clean? No. No, what a liar. He's a true addict. He's a junkie. He's a true junkie. Pinball Junkie. Yeah. But anyways, he has the game on order, and he ordered at Pinball Expo, so he was like one of the first, right? Oh, okay. All right, all right. Which means, no, CGC, as far as I know, they haven't shipped any. Oh. And I'm not talking shit. I just report the facts. You just report the facts as they come to you. Well, but, so I don't think they've shipped any. Oh. Yeah, because like I said, Tim Lee was day one or day two. I mean, he was right there, so. Of course he was. so you're not clean anymore buddy I'm looking at my phone yelling at my phone so anyways that's where we're at what do you think of those predictions Rachel? I think those are all pretty good predictions especially with games not coming out or new games that probably won't be put into production for another year I don't think that there's any surprise in any of that and I don't think it would be to most people that sign up their name for a Noonbox game I want to make a point and this is sincere about Flippin' Out Pinball because once again they are a sponsor of the show full disclosure and and i do love zach and nicole full disclosure um a full disclosure drew loves everybody right now you should see how pink his cheeks are every day i know i'm feeling good right um but but all seriousness so a couple things to know about flipping all pinball um they don't take deposits i mean they do take deposits but they don't require deposits okay i know zach a good man i mean yeah he'll take your money he has a business right they will take your money but they don't require deposits so kind of like my venom story if there's a game that you think might be coming out um and zach has gone public with this call call zach or nicole or send him a message and say i want to be on the list for this game yeah whether it's um oh by the way tribe member eric yesterday zach are you listening he told me make sure you tell zach zach i'm talking to you uh he wants to be on the list number one well you probably have other people on this list for super mario brothers le oh is that ever do you think that's a we don't know we don't know see this is how it works now you gotta actually talk to zach you can't just say this on a podcast it's up to be on a list Right, absolutely. But Zach does literally maintain lists of games that don't exist. I love it. So now they're going to get 100 million calls. That's good. Call Zach and Nicole. Yeah. Flipping out pinball. Blow them up.
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    But, yeah, tell them, hey, I want to be on this list for this game. I want a pro. I want a premium. I want an LE. I want all three. I'd be happy for that. For sure. Put his kids through college. You know, whatever. He's got four kids to put through college. Let's help him get those kids through college. Sure. One machine at a time. Yeah, his oldest is driving now, so they're getting close. So anyways, flipping out Bimbo. That was my shameless plug, but happy to help. Venom, number one. That's me. And Futurama.
    72:51
    Futurama, I'm number zero. I mean, Zach, you're sending me the LE. Because him and I haven't specifically talked about this, but you know, Zach, I know you have your LE buyers, but you have to get me an LE. and I know I don't get discounts or anything on the LEs but I will take that LE I will pay you full price and we'll be happy anyways so there you go alright so do you want to induct a tribe member? I want to induct a tribe member before we induct a tribe member can I say one other thing you can say many things well let me get out my list of complaints it's not Festivus today folks but no I just wanted to I want to plug my next big tournament that I'm doing at District 82. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, fuck away. We talked a little bit about my ladies' pinball stuff, and thanks for listening and asking questions about that. I appreciate that. But my next big tournament series I'm going to do at District 82 is on May 14th. It's going to be a 13-round match play along with a side tournament, and I pretty sure the game going to be on Dolly so I excited about that I love District 82 As everybody knows please give Eric Thorne a like on Facebook Please give Ladies Wisconsin a like on Facebook I don think I ever said that before
    74:03
    Show, show, show. Yeah, right. And my goal really is to get 50,000 5-0 women to come up to District 82 to play that weekend.
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    Eric will be open for a four-strike on May 13th, the Friday night before. So bring your people with you. They can play the night before, and then women can come in and have a lot of fun playing the next day. It will be streamed on Twitch by Fox Cities Pinball. I'm really stoked about that. I'm really stoked. I had 29 women the last time I had a women's tournament there. So I think, I know people are like, well, do you really need to set goals? I'm like, yeah, I do, because I want to show. I'm like, I think it's good. I'm like, because I want the community to know that there are 50 women that are willing to come and travel to the pier. I can bring in 30 women probably on my own, but I need another 20 ladies to come sew up. How cool would it be if you could get up to like 100 people at a place like that? That would be amazing. I would probably cry. Let's set this goal for 2023. How's that? No, setting goals. Oh, for 2023. Yeah. It's a solid goal, right? So she's going to keep doing these tournaments. And by 2023, because remember, District 82 has over 100 games, so they can support. Yes. When they have their tournaments, how many people do they usually have? They can have 120 or sign up for the Great Lakes Open. Yeah, they have a big, large number, right? With a waiting list of, I think, 40 people. Yeah, so it might be a lofty goal, but let's help Rachel shoot for 100. Yeah. And if she gets to, like, 60 or 70, right, that would be amazing. That would be really cool. So just so you guys know, like I said, reach out to her. and for all you guys out there, girls out there, tell all the women in your life. Yeah, right, absolutely. If you play in a league, let's say in Denver, and you've got a couple of guys that play in your league, they might not be aware of some of the other women tournament series that are going on within the U.S. My goal actually, Drew, about doing ladies flip at District 82 is because really for most women's pinball, tournament-wise, like down at Wizard World in Fort Wayne, Mike's doing a great job and the Bells and Chimes there are now having like a yearly tournament there but there's not a I haven't discovered at least because maybe because of COVID as well but there's not like just standalone women's tournaments you have like I go to Expo there's a women's tournament to play along with Expo you go to Texas Pinball Festival there's a women's tournament to play but you can't just go somewhere to me at least I'm not aware of it so far of a place where you just go traveling just for that weekend just to play because it's just a women's tournament and making it a big thing. So I think that's kind of part of the goal. So, yeah, I think 50 is totally attainable. Okay. Because we're at about 30 now. Yeah, and there's a lot of badass chicks in pinball. I watched you come play and kick my ass, play pinball. I've had my ass kicked by plenty of women in my life, and especially in pinball. Yeah, it's awesome. So there's my big plug for that. That's awesome. Well, I'm glad that we're able to help spread the word. No, thank you always for your support and encouragement. Yeah, and get some links together. we'll put them on the page and do all that stuff. Sure, when I get my flyer and stuff. Yeah, yeah, no, perfect. All right, so. Yes, let's intro a number. Before we wrap this up today, I just wanted to kind of go through,
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    you know, we haven't, because when Ian and I used to do this on the Twitch, I sound like I'm a hundred. In the Twitch universe. On the Twitch universe. You know, we would put up all the tribe members. Well, obviously this is audio format, and like I said, I always forget who's what number, so I'm going to read down the list. This is in order of all the tribe members that have been inducted since 2019. When Ian and I used to do this on Twitch, we'd put up the list so people could read it, and obviously you guys are listening and not seeing, so I can't expect you guys to remember that, because I don't even remember the tribe members. Yeah, I can't get everybody's numbers straight either. So I'm going to read through the list. so to be in the tribe and we had these pillars but but ultimately what it is you know these are all great people in the pinball community a lot of these people helped us early on so I just really want to thank most of these people for you know some people have helped us with animations or audio or helping us with setup, helping us with content, or just being great pinball ambassadors for the Poor Man's Pinball Podcast, people that reached out to us, all kinds of things. These are all great pinball people. So I'm just going to read through the list. This is in order from number one all the way to number 43. Here we go. And then we will get to our new tribe member who is being inducted today. and hopefully many more to come. So number one, Ryan Kuiper. Number two, Martin. He's Fulgore Reinhardt on Facebook. Also Foghorn Leghorn. He does Pimbal Junk Drawer on the PPN, so check him out. He's also Listener15. If you guys need to know about that joke, email us. We'll tell you about it. Mr. Brad Hopkins in Canada. Mr. Ian Hauerwer in Canada. Eric Bradden Walker here. He's one of our friends locally, tribe member number five. We have number six, Mike Williams. Number seven, Glenn, the skateboarder, Wechter. We have number eight, Sean Frayden. We have number nine, Dave Brennan, the tech genius of pinball. We have number ten, Josh Mudd, the meme master of...
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    If you haven't, follow Josh Mudd on Facebook, okay? Josh Mudd, M-U-D-D, check him out on Facebook. He is the meme master, right? Unless he's in Facebook jail. Which he is often. Yes. But he's put more memes on Facebook than anybody I know. How funny. Daniel Donald, number 11. Number 12, Tim Lee. He's my pinball bestie. I've told you that. I mean, Ian's my best friend overall, but Tim Lee is my pinball bestie. Yeah, that's good. We talk pinball every day, and I love that guy. Brian Thomas, he recently reached out to us. He's had some things going on in his life. He reached out to us. Hadn't heard from him in a while. We're glad he's back in the fold, Brian Thomas. Pete Quint. Pete Quint's an amazing dude. Yeah, a Knoxville Street fan. Yes, Knoxville Street fan. Columbus? Yeah. Okay, Columbus. Jeff LaGrange. He's old school. He doesn't really use Facebook. Okay. He's a local guy here. He restores games. He's very knowledgeable. That's why I like him. Yeah, he lives 20 minutes, 15 minutes from here. Right. So Jeff LaGrange, you won't hear from him, but he's an awesome dude. Steve Johnson in Colorado, super good dude. Joseph Hood, he's our backpacking beer buddy.
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    He's the beer sherpa. He saw my room so filthy at Expo. Those guys, yeah, he went to go fill a beer, and he's like, I don't have any more. I'm like, I got a bunch of nuclear in my room. So he came up, and he filled his back, but he comes back, and he's like, your room was disgusting. I'm like, well, I didn't expect all four guys to go into my room. I thought it was just going to be him. I'm like, he can handle it. but, like, four tribe members got to see the filth. I have a great story about almost everyone on Street Bowl. Chris Haper, Kid Chriso, he's a good dude, funny dude. Billy YJ, very instrumental in helping us, has done so much for the tribe. And poor man's pinball, I can't even thank you enough, Billy. Chris Grosner, the pin turn, amazing dude, reconnected with him at Expo. It was fun.
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    Troy Swoop, I always get that one wrong. um just just a fun pinball guy from the from the middle states here jonathan hall same thing very instrumental always willing to help he he does audio and video for a living so i'm gonna start reaching out to him yeah he's some stuff and he's he's offered yeah super nice guy yeah he's he's great jay hall uh lee belheimer just another good pinball guy he's been around rodden osborne i think a lot of people in the pinball world know him he's from the land down under in australia He's funny as hell. He is an amazing asset to the pinball community. John Cosson, Dr. John. Another Australian. We gotta get rid of these Australians. Oh man, I love them. No, Dr. John's great. He's also offered to help a bunch, so Dr. John, thank you so much. Albert Agar, Orbital Albert, everyone knows him, Pinball Nerds Podcast. This guy, he He might be the nicest person I've ever met. I think so, too. Like, there's a lot of nice people here. He came to Tribe Multimall, and I had, like, the best time chatting with him. He is so charismatic and so kind and so caring and loving. Yes. I love you, R.B. Ari Jones, same thing. He was at Expo. We had so much fun playing Guns N' Roses, getting drunk with Joe Hood. Yeah. And John Steve, who's not part of this, but. Yes, John Steve. He's a friend from Kansas, Kansas City. Yeah. Okay, so we're on 29 now, by the way, guys. Bear with us. Andrew Payne, another just solid dude. Chris Chandler from Texas. He was a correspondent for TPN for a while, I think. Yeah, I think so, yeah.
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    There's some funny stories in our archives about how we had this little riff initially. Yeah. It's good, so go back and listen to that or ask us about it. He talks about it on Tribe Multiball too on this episode. Yeah, go to Tribe Multiball. Yeah, a lot of these people have been on. Yes. Yes, so if you want to learn more about these people, that's a great point, Rachel. Go to Tribe Multi-Ball because we're hoping to get everyone in this thing. This is fantastic. That's the goal. Number 31, Cherise Edwards, otherwise known as Tish. She is another great bells and chimes women's ambassador. Her and her husband have been operating games and arcades. Forever.
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    I'm not going to out her how many years, but many, many years. For a while. Yes. She's great, Tish is like my gal Tish is fun Matt32, we call him that because he's like I don't want my last name out there And it wasn't because it was like a security thing He just thought it was funny, so he's from Illinois We just call him Matt32 He's not on Facebook either That's funny Yeah, Matt32 Freedom Levy Superfriend Another bells and chimes Great little pinball streamer Very kind soul Yep. Brian Cosner. Cos. Everyone knows Cos. Cos is part of TPN. We've got to get all you TPN guys out. You guys have got to be part of the PPN. They're all not part of the PPN. They just have to upgrade to the PPN or downgrade. I don't know. Then we have Rachel Risto. That's me. Number 35. And she's amazing. Do we need to say more? I mean, she's sitting right next to me. Jeremy Schmitz he co-hosted with Ian when I was on vacation he has picked up Ian and I drunk at different occasions a couple times so yes we told those stories too go back into our archives there's some great stories about Jeremy Schmitz he is a teddy bear great dude Jesse J another Australian we miss you Jesse we haven't heard from you lately I know she left Facebook for a while which I totally get me too And, you know, if you want to come back to the fold, let us know. Open arms. Yep, we're always glad to have you. Tony Scoots Scudero. Number 38. Oh, yeah, I know. I can think of it. All the cookies I have from his deli. Delicious food. We went to Pinball Expo. His family owns a deli down there, and it's amazing food. So go to Scudero's Deli Bakery. It's amazing. The Belrose Park. Scoots, you are an amazing dude. You really are. Mm-hmm. classic so kind ted finlay uh pinballprices.com doc finlay great dude finally got to meet him in person gave him a big hug ted is so sweet he's he is he's just he's a sweetheart he's very thoughtful yes that's a good word for him he is and he texts me quite often so i i enjoyed speaking with with doc doc i love you buddy uh stephen silver what can i say this guy is pinball he does animations He's the one who made our awesome Skittles, weed, beer, whatever. Unicorn, out of unicorn. We ask him for all kinds of stuff. He sends it to us in like an hour. And that's not why he's part of the tribe. That's just an added bonus. Yeah, he made the cover art for Tribe Multivolve. Tim and I played together. He cobbled that together. It's like with the parental wording on it on our label. I think it's so funny because our show isn't that at all. We're so PG. No, I'm always reaching out to him. He's a nice guy. He's like, well, I don't actually do art, but if you have it, I can make it move and do shit. Yeah, right. He's like, I'll do it. I'm like, cool. This is what we're going to do. So we've got some good stuff in the works. I look forward to that. Steven Silver, I love you, man. Jay Sellers, the manliest man in the tribe. He's working on an oil rig, doing his thing.
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    I recently found out that his wife is really big into pinball. I didn't know that. I didn't know that either. No, I didn't. Interesting. Jay Sellers, he's a good dude. Then we had our first husband and wife pair. We do. Madison Elizabeth Rotter and Jasper Rotter, who's actually Chuck Rotter. We found out after the fact Jasper's the name of their dog. But because his Facebook name is Jasper, we're just like, okay, Jasper's in the tribe. Jasper now, buddy, sorry. Your dog's in the tribe, and Chuck, sorry, you're not in the tribe.
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    So your wife and your dog are in the tribe. Works for me. That's fine by me. No, they're great. They're so sweet, these pinball people, the Rotters. And, you know, we were so happy to induct them because, like I said, his wife is totally into pinball. She loves it too. She supports them. They have a special needs son like mine, so it's just the whole thing. Right in your heart. Yeah, I just love them. So, anyways, so that is 43 wonderful pinball people. Holy moly. I know there are more wonderful pinball people out there. there's one today that we're going to be talking about so this will be tribe member number 44 double fours this will be in the archives forever and you can never take this back ever I've been searching about your decision making skills so this particular pinhead is an amazing lady we've got another lady adding to the tribe which is awesome so before we introduce her just a little bit about her top five games. Number five is Waz. Good choice. Yeah. Number four, Big Lebowski. That surprises me about her, actually. It does. It really does. That kind of threw me, too. So she's got expensive things. Maybe it's the white Russians. She likes white Russians, maybe. I don't know. She is a drinker. Yeah. I can attest to that.
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    Halloween. Mm-hmm. Because she's big on the theme, and she's trying to convince her husband to get one, and I'm telling her husband now. I'm not going to out him at this moment, but I will shortly. get her a damn game. Yeah, if she wants it, get it for her. Stranger Things. Okay. So they've had this in their home for quite some time now. It's not leaving. So Guns and... And then number one is Guns and Roses. Yeah, in fact, she actually likes to have it on jukebox mode, which is doing things around the house. I love that. In fact, that game was in their living room. Yes. I love it. Now, I think everyone might know who we're talking about.
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    So I asked her to send me, I'm like, hey, send me your games, your list of top five games. Send me some fun facts. And she goes, my only fun fact is I love pinball, but I suck at pinball. And I was like, that's great. It's true. I'm like, that's all of us. As long as you're having fun. Exactly. She has a really fun. Actually, when she plays, you can tell she's having fun playing. Yes. So I've been texting with her for a while, and I got to meet her in person at Expo, which was fantastic. But the other fun fact she told me, she can drink her husband under the table. Truth. Which I, yes, because we definitely know it. So I think that is what actually secured her spot in number 44 from the tribe members. And her husband, if you guys haven't determined already, is also a tribe member. But the best part about this, and Rachel's giggling in there, is her and I have kept this secret. We have. Along with the tribe member. I told her, I said, don't tell your husband. We just want to drop this. Yeah. Put it in. Yeah. And it's fantastic. And he sucks at pinball so bad. Terribly. They even made a shirt saying as much.
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    So without further ado, I want to welcome tribe member number 44 to the fold, Ms. Amy Lee. Welcome, Amy. Yay. I am so excited about this because when I met you, as I said, we've talked a little bit. and you're a fantastic lady. You remind me of, you know, my wife a little bit, and the drinking and all that stuff. It's great.
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    So I'm so glad you were a part of this. I can't wait to hear what Mr. Tim Lee has to say about this. Yeah, me too, absolutely. But what number is Tim Lee? Tim Lee is 12. 12, I think, yeah. So 12 and 44. That sounds like good, even numbers there. So now we have two married couples in the show. We do, I think that's awesome. Oh, Amy, you're such a wonderful lady. I'm so glad that I got to meet you at Expo. I think this is one of the best parts of Expo is when I came down on Thursday morning from the elevator, and she and Tim were sitting in extremely uncomfortable chairs in the lobby that were there. They're these really super uncomfortable chairs. Amy will agree with me about that. And I came down, and I saw her first, and she recognized me, and she had the biggest smile on her face, the biggest smile and the warmest hug and she was just like she's like i know who you are i'm so happy to meet you rachel you know she's just so sweet i was just about to say maybe she she's this wonderful woman yep she's beautiful she gives great hugs yes um she's she's a fantastic mother yep um they have supportive life yep they have they have three kids um they're out skiing today and yesterday we've been messaging and i said this is great um kids are starting to go to college and I couldn't be happier, so I'm glad to have another one. And like I said, I'm hoping to do this a lot more often. Yeah. I want to get some more great people into the tribe, people like Annie Lee. Take your cues from Annie Lee. Yeah. I like her. For sure. She's into the tribe. She also, when you were doing the live, she would come in on the lives and she would join in and, you know. No, she talked to my wife on the phone a few times and they hit it off. So I'm really hoping you guys, they might be moving to Milwaukee. I don't know if you heard this. He mentioned that to me. A little whisper of that. There was a small chance if that happened, oh, my God, this would be great. That'd be great. It would be fantastic. Bye-bye me. I'll ask him to run a ladies' slip with his collection. There you go. So, yeah, we're super excited. If you guys want to be part of the tribe, send me a message, poormanspinballgmail.com 414-828-3739 Lots of people have been asking. Like I said, we're hoping to do this more often. Yeah, join the fan page. Yes, Poor Man's Pinball fan page on Facebook.
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    Yeah, we're really hoping to make this community really strong. And like I said, the people that are in it, we just want, you know, really the big thing, like I said, the pillars, that was Ian and I, that was our thing. You know, we can go through that, but Really just help us grow this poor man's thing. Help us get the word out about Ladies Flip Wisconsin. You know, all these different things. Be good people. Yeah, be good people. There you go. Bottom line. Yeah, man. Bottom line. Be kind to each other. Be good people. Yes. Help other people in the pinball world. Help them how to fix their game. Help them understand what's going on. Whatever. You don't have to be a great pinball player. You just need to be a good person. Human being. Yes, be a good person. So, and not to say if you're not in the tribe, doesn't mean you're not a good person. I don't want that rumor to get started. No, it doesn't mean that. No, because at the end of the day, I mean, we're not going to have 300 people in here, 1,000 people in here. But the people that are in, like I said, these are people that really want to be part of this. Yeah. And people that are going to participate in a positive way. Absolutely. That's what it's all about. I love it. Yeah. So, do you have anything else? That's it, my friend. And I think we covered all the things. What a great episode. I know. It was really fun. This went well, right? I think so, too. It just kind of moved and flowed. So, too. I'm really excited. Like I said, you guys are going to start hearing from me a lot more. Yay. Yeah, I'm really excited. We all support you, Drew. There you go. It's a time of transition for you. We love Miss Ian, but we're also all here to really support you. I appreciate that. And whatever you want to do in your future. I appreciate that. You know, especially the thing about the tribe, too, is we're all here cheering you on. You know, constantly here cheering you on. saying we're you know whatever content you decide to put out we're gonna enjoy it we're gonna watch it i appreciate that because once again i said it you know will will it ever be like it was no but this is the new chapter that's right you know so whatever this is this is what it is and um more often and some good content so you got this boo thank you i'm excited you got this so uh thank you guys this was episode 111 thank you to um pinballprices.com doc finley uh Thank you to Flippin' Out Pinball, our two premier sponsors.
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    You know, we had other great sponsors, but we had to get rid of them because I didn't want it to become diluted with all this different stuff. We appreciate, you know, Pinshades and Kool Stadium and all these different things, but I really just want to focus on keeping it simple. Sure. Get your merch on Silver Ball Swag. Yes. There's the other one. There you go. Thank you. You're welcome. Go to silverballswag.com. Get your Tim Lee Sucks at Pinball t-shirt today. T-shirt, hat, sweatshirt. Coffee cup. Get them all. Say Tim Lee Sucks at Pinball. Order. Silverballswag.com. Thank you so much. Rachel Risto, thank you so much for being here with us today. You're welcome, Drew. Thank you so much. I'm so glad you made it, Ryan. You too. And that's all I have for today. It's episode 111. And we will see you guys soon. All right. Happy flipping. What's inside your butthole? Hmm, what is in there? Uh, maybe a fan That'd be crazy, yeah Maybe a dog or a stadium Maybe a cat What's inside your butthole? Wonder what's inside your butthole. I wonder what's inside your butthole. Maybe there's astronauts. Maybe there's aliens. All inside your butthole. What's inside your butthole? I always want to know. What's inside your butthole? I always wanna know What's inside your butthole? I always wanna know What's inside your butthole? Hmm, what is in there?
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    Maybe a purse? Another butthole? That sounds crazy Maybe a flower? What's inside your butthole? Buttholes are so powerful They're more powerful than me They're more powerful than you They're more powerful than coffee I don't even know what coffee does Wonder what's inside your bowl I wonder what's inside your bowl Maybe there's astronauts Maybe there's aliens All inside your bowl