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F*@kit Friday! VR, and Nintendo Classic talk!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Dec 13, 2019
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TL;DR

VR tech discussion and Nintendo retro gaming nostalgia with passing pinball references.

Summary

A casual Friday podcast episode featuring Drew and Scott Ian discussing VR technology (Oculus Quest vs Rift), Nintendo retro games, nostalgia, speedrunning, and game difficulty. The hosts reflect on childhood gaming memories, favorite titles across NES/SNES, and tangentially mention pinball as a secondary gaming interest.

Key Claims

  • Oculus Quest is a standalone $500 VR unit that doesn't require a PC, while Oculus Rift requires a powerful PC and costs $400-500

    high confidence · Drew and Scott Ian discussing VR hardware specifications and pricing during VR segment

  • Oculus Quest graphics are comparable to N64 level while Rift offers PS4-level graphics due to PC power

    medium confidence · Scott Ian's analogy when comparing graphics fidelity between standalone and PC-tethered VR systems

  • Beat Saber and Pistol Whip are the primary VR games the hosts experienced at a housewarming party

    high confidence · Drew describing gameplay experience with both titles at a friend's house

  • Nintendo Mini was gifted to Scott Ian as a best man's gift but remains mostly unplayed despite his wife's initial enthusiasm

    high confidence · Scott Ian discussing his wife's initial interest in Nintendo Mini that waned after acquisition

  • A Super Punch-Out speedrunner beat Mike Tyson in approximately 8 minutes using a camera flash timing exploit

    medium confidence · Drew referencing recent speedrun discovery of Mike Tyson exploit using background camera flash timing

  • The Konami code (up up down down left right...) is remembered muscle memory from Contra and other games

    high confidence · Scott Ian and Drew discussing how they remember the cheat code from childhood gaming

  • VR technology pricing is declining; Quest expected to reach ~$199 within a year

    low confidence · Scott Ian speculating on future VR pricing trends based on typical tech market patterns

  • Scott Ian built a $1,200-1,500 PC earlier in 2019 specifically to be VR-compliant

    high confidence · Scott Ian describing his recent PC build investment for VR readiness

  • Pinball FX is available on VR platforms

    high confidence · Drew mentioning a friend had Pinball FX on their VR set, though Drew expressed disinterest

Notable Quotes

  • “I got to tell you, man, I'm hooked. $500 for the unit, you know? Probably another $300, $400 for some software.”

    Drew @ VR discussion segment — Expresses genuine enthusiasm for VR as a hobby investment, framing cost relative to pinball affordability

  • “500 bucks is like, oh my god, it's so cheap. That's less than a topper.”

    Scott Ian @ VR discussion segment — Direct pinball reference comparing VR unit cost favorably to pinball machine accessories, highlighting the niche expense context

  • “The thing with Nintendo, you know, there's 10 or 12 games that you can play over and over. There really are. But then there's 50 or 80 or 100... 150, 180... there's well there's 50 games that you remember fondly but they're just not great games.”

    Scott Ian @ Nintendo discussion segment — Articulates quality variance in retro game collections; nostalgia doesn't equal gameplay quality

  • “If I tell you, you're going to never have sex with me and divorce me... my common answer now is always just nerd stuff.”

    Scott Ian @ Speedrunning discussion segment — Humorous reflection on explaining niche gaming interests to spouse; reveals generational gaming enthusiasm gap

  • “I want a Legend of Zelda pinball... Metroid... Super Mario Brothers... I mean, you know, like, my wife, she likes Super Mario Brothers 3, and who doesn't?”

    Scott Ian @ Nintendo games discussion, near end — Expresses desire for Nintendo IP pinball machines; acknowledges pinball as viable venue for classic game themes

  • “He's like, I can put pinball on there for you. I was like, fuck you, man. Give me something virtual reality. I don't want to play pinball... I want to shoot somebody. Well, I'm going to get one of those Google Cardboards just for fun.”

    Drew @ Pinball FX discussion near end — Drew actively rejects pinball as VR application; prefers action/shooter experiences; dismisses Pinball FX value on VR

  • “The graphics are a lot better on the Rift than there is on the Quest. So they have the same games, but you're looking at Nintendo 64 versus PlayStation 4.”

Entities

DrewpersonScott IanpersonPoor Man's Pinball PodcastorganizationOculus QuestproductOculus RiftproductBeat SaberproductPistol WhipproductPinball FXproduct

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: Speedrunning community discovering and exploiting glitches in decades-old games; recent Mike Tyson camera flash exploit represents ongoing active engagement with classic titles

    high · Drew references recent Super Punch-Out speedrun discovery of Mike Tyson one-punch exploit using background camera flash timing; describes impact on speedrunning community

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Pinball perceived as less desirable VR application compared to action/shooter games; alternative entertainment takes priority over pinball simulation in VR context

    high · Drew rejects Pinball FX on VR: 'I don't want to play pinball... I want to shoot somebody' indicating preference differential for VR use cases

  • ?

    design_philosophy: NES-era game design prioritized brutal difficulty and limited lives over accessibility; modern retro gaming modified via save states and cheat code customization to improve accessibility

    high · Scott Ian extensively discusses NES games with exponential difficulty curves (Ninja Gaiden, Silver Surfer); notes how save states and custom cheat codes on Retro Pie enable completion impossible on original hardware

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Nintendo IP (Zelda, Mario, Metroid) remains highly desirable for pinball adaptation; Scott Ian expresses explicit desire for Legend of Zelda pinball machine

    medium · Scott Ian: 'I want a Legend of Zelda pinball... Metroid... Super Mario Brothers' indicating untapped market desire for Nintendo-themed pinball machines

  • $

    market_signal: Consumer electronics purchasing delay strategy: waiting for next-generation models and price drops rather than adopting current tech; applies to VR, PlayStation, Xbox markets

Transcript

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0:00
Cause it's Friday, you ain't got no job, and you ain't got shit to do. You're just in time for the after party that is Fuck It Friday, starring Drew and Ian.
0:18
Welcome to Fuck It Friday episode number seven, lucky number seven. Seven times. Seven times we've ruined your Friday and we love it, we love it. I can't get over it every time. I'm like, seven Fridays in a row. Such a stupid show. And I love it. I love doing it.
0:37
Drew was like, what are we going to talk about? I was like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. Today was literally the first day we didn't have even a single idea. Nah, we don't usually need an idea. Well, nobody had an idea about talking about hunting Hitler and shit from last week. Oh, man. We still did. It started with these cool shows and then... It went all over the place. Hunting Hitler. I was listening to it today, and I want to just throw a little correction out there. I said that these guys that were hunting Hitler, they went to the Canary Islands, and there was UFO bases on the Canary Islands. No, not UFO bases. They were submarine bases. That's a little different. I saw that. I was listening. I was like, all right. Well, we didn't get a single email about that. Everyone was just good with UFO bases, or did they know? We're not fact-checking. Did they know I was talking about submarine bases on the Canary Islands? Do you think people turn us on and then they turn us off? They're like, what are they even talking about? Like, fucking Friday? Yep.
1:37
Okay. Send us your ideas at poormanspinball at gmail.com. A few hundred people can't be wrong. This is a hit. Oh, yeah. Yeah, fucking Friday. You know, we talked about this. It was pretty surprising that we have almost as many listeners for F it Friday as we do for our podcast, which is cool. Yeah. You guys just like us. We don't know what we're talking about, but you guys enjoy our company. So that's awesome. Thank you, guys. Thanks for listening. Hold our hand. We'll take you on another journey this Friday. We're not going to necessarily talk about this, but I just saw this breaking news. I was telling Ian during our actual podcast. Democrats are expected to lay out articles of impeachment tomorrow They're going to like Go forward with more formal shit This whole thing is just like a I don't care what side you're on This whole thing is just such a circus They were like yelling at each other today Like literally raising their voices and stuff And this whole thing And I was just like oh my god Trump's like a sea otter Nothing sticks to his fur man It's just going to roll right off the bat He's fine He'll be fine The king of the assholes will be fine He made that statement like a year or two ago Like I could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue And I can't be touched And he's right Don't worry about it I killed somebody Move on He's still playing golf Nothing to see here Once again no matter what side of the aisle you're on It's just so It's a train wreck You just can't look away Oh, man. Drew and I aren't political in any sense of the word. We just love train wrecks. Oh, I just love watching this shit. We sit there and we giggle. This is so fucked up. Oh, it's terrible. It's SNL. Politics in general is just terrible. Oh, it's nutty. Yeah, just terrible. I don't know. So let's talk about the other day on Sunday. I think you left, but our buddy, we were at a housewarming party, and we were watching a football game. but one of my buddies brought a virtual reality headset. Oh, did you guys end up using it? Holy shit, yeah, we played it. Yeah. It's so cool, man. It's so cool. We were playing Beat Saber, which you hold a lightsaber in each hand, and you basically slash at these cubes that come flying at you, and they'll point the direction in which way you're supposed to slash it. Sure. yeah dude it was out of control and it was super cool my wife didn't know what the hell she was doing and then um and then uh we played a game called pistol whip and you're basically it's kind of like beat saber but instead of lightsabers you have a pistol and you're just walking down an alley and to the rhythm of the music enemies pop up and you got to shoot them it's a shooting game So cool. And they were all in suits, kind of John Wick-ish, you know? Yeah. And I got to tell you, man, I'm hooked. $500 for the unit, you know? Probably another $300, $400 for some software. Sure, sure. Certain games you'd like to play. Yeah, yeah. I was looking on Amazon. They got some deals where you can play, like, they have a Star Wars game on there, so you like, duel Darth Vader and shit. Yeah, well, they're right on the cusp of making these less expensive, though, which I'm waiting for because yeah for for a couple hundred dollars i would definitely check into it yeah 500 is not bad though no it's not considering they were what other hobbies were in we're not going to go in we we dip your toe in that that arena the pinball arena 500 bucks is like oh my god it's so cheap that's less than a topper right so uh no this vr thing i'm honestly are you really considering it Well, Laura got real into it, which is always a good sign. She wants it more than I do. Oh, okay, cool. But the problem is, in the past, my wife has wanted things. Oh, yeah. And never touched them. Yeah. We had a Nintendo Mini up there that she has yet to play, but that's all she wanted. That's all she talked about for like three months. Really? Yeah. And we missed our chance of getting one, and then my buddy got one for me. Sure. As a best man's gift.

  • NES games are difficult in later levels; difficulty spikes make many titles nearly impossible without cheats or save states

    high confidence · Scott Ian and Drew discussing Ninja Gaiden, Silver Surfer, Battle Toads, and other notoriously hard NES titles

    • Scott Ian @ VR graphics comparison — Clear technical comparison anchoring VR fidelity differences to familiar gaming generation references

  • “I never defeated it because I was like why is this game like ridiculously hard... Silver Surfer is so hard... it's not fun to me it's so hard.”

    Scott Ian @ Game difficulty discussion — Expresses frustration with NES-era difficulty design; quality of life improvements (save states) change engagement with retro games

  • “We didn't get a single email about that. Everyone was just good with UFO bases, or did they know? We're not fact-checking.”

    Scott Ian @ Opening correction segment — Self-aware acknowledgment of podcast's casual fact-checking; audience accepts errors without correction

  • “You guys just like us. We don't know what we're talking about, but you guys enjoy our company.”

    Drew or Scott Ian @ Audience appreciation segment — Reflects on podcast appeal; unscripted conversation and companionship value outweighs expertise

    • Nintendo Mini
    product
    Google Cardboardproduct
    Ninja Gaidenproduct
    Super Punch-Outproduct
    Mega Man 2 and 4product
    Legend of Zeldaproduct
    Contraproduct
    Super Mario Brothers 3product
    Silver Surferproduct
    Battle Toadsproduct
    Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtlesproduct
    Retro Pie / Raspberry Piproduct

    medium · Scott Ian discusses holding out for PlayStation 5 rather than upgrading PlayStation 4; mentions Quest expected to drop to $199 within year; broader pattern of delaying purchases for better value

  • ?

    product_strategy: VR platforms segmented by graphics fidelity (standalone N64-equivalent vs PC-tethered PS4-equivalent); game performance varies significantly between platforms despite same titles

    high · Scott Ian analogy: 'So they have the same games, but you're looking at Nintendo 64 versus PlayStation 4' comparing Quest vs Rift graphics rendering

  • ?

    product_concern: Retro gaming nostalgic memory does not match gameplay quality; many classic games deemed inferior upon replay despite childhood enjoyment

    high · Scott Ian: 'The thing with Nintendo, you know, there's 10 or 12 games that you can play over and over. There really are. But then there's 50 or 80 or 100... there's 50 games that you remember fondly but they're just not great games'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Standalone VR headsets (Oculus Quest) reaching mass-market affordability ($500) and portability, reducing PC-dependency barrier that previously limited VR adoption

    high · Scott Ian and Drew discuss Quest as viable alternative to PC-tethered Rift; Scott Ian notes dramatic difference from 1-2 years prior when VR required $1500+ PC investment

    • 5:57
    How often do you play it? I play it... I used to play it a lot more because I hacked it and put a bunch of games on there. It works great, but like everything nostalgia-related, those games aren't as good as you remember. No, no. The thing with Nintendo, you know, this is a good topic. The thing with Nintendo, there's 10 or 12 games that you can play over and over. There really are. But then there's 50 or 80 or 100. 150, 180. there's well there's there's 50 games that you remember fondly but they're just not great games and then there's the rest that you just never play or you know whatever yeah i always find like that's my experience yeah i know and i i find with nintendo games though especially nintendo games when you are playing a game you love it's funny how you can just get into it and you remember everything and yes you're not too far off from when you were a kid playing the damn game correct and with i'm like all right so like put the marios and zellas out i'm talking about like those second party third party games that you would play you still only get so far where the game just gets stupid hard oh nintendo is notorious yes spy hunter you know all those games yeah you only get so far and it gets ninja gaiden oh my god yeah so ridiculously hard so cool the first three levels are amazing and then all of a sudden it's just like, no, we're cheating. It's impossible. Yeah, it sucks. Well, at least with the new things you can save them. You save the spot and then you can just try over and over. That was the thing. It wasn't that the games were hard. It was that if you died and lost your life, you had to start over at the beginning.
    7:44
    Right? Sorry, I was taking a drink. Yeah, the... With Ninja Gaiden especially, it just got is it gayden or guyden i've always said gayden but i think people say guyden okay but i will say this that the you get to a certain level and it's like all of a sudden enemies take way more damage off of you yeah and they fly in irregular patterns and you can't yeah if you go back a frame and go forward they reappear yeah you know and if they bang you again like backwards and you go forward and now you're dealing with two or three of the same enemy and it's just, it's damn near impossible. And it gets so frustrating. You're like, oh yeah, when I was 10, this is where I always got stuck. And now I'm 38 and I'm still stuck at this stupid level. But here's the thing about muscle memory. Well, a couple of quick stories. So one, you're talking about how you remember things from when you were a kid and you'll never forget them because you just, yeah, you played that game, what, a thousand times? Oh yeah, too many times. my wife one of her favorite jokes is oh you can remember the stupid up up down down left right code but you can't remember x whatever it is and uh she doesn't even know what the code is she usually gets it wrong and i point it out then she gets really mad at me yeah i'm like that's not the code and uh she goes wrong and everyone out there knows what i'm talking about the code The Contra code. Yeah. The Konami code. Yeah.
    9:16
    So, yeah, she'll rub that in my face sometimes. She goes, I asked you to do one thing. You can remember this stupid code, but you can't remember that. I'm like, yeah, because the code was fun. It was worthwhile. Anyways, that's another story. So I've been watching a lot of these YouTube videos of these old school gamers. They're like our age. They do these videos. They do like those speed runs and different things. and I watched a guy play that so Mario 2 Super Mario Brothers 2 was on the Famicom originally called Doki Doki Panic or something like that so he played that through and got he wasn trying he was just seeing how fast he could do it he happened to get a world record while he was doing it sure and i watching this and my jaw is just on the ground because i just like holy shit how is this guy oh yeah you know functioning like this but it was it's muscle memory because you know they they try this over and over and over again and i'm like shit i never even got through that game to begin with right how often have you played that you played it a ton when it came out oh it was it was one of my favorite games yeah it was it was crazy bizarre and it was a cool game when you were a kid i mean that was like the game that was awesome yeah and um he he's talking to people while he's doing this and he still managed to get a world record it was it was incredible yeah i saw the speed run for i think the original super mario brothers and there's a i think it's level one dash two or no dash four the the the dungeon that's one two no i'm mistaken i'm sorry super mario brothers three dash uh it was level one it was the first cat uh first castle in super mario brothers three maybe shit where the fuck was it hold on i gotta think about this it doesn't matter what matters is they do things on there they exploit glitches yes and like they'll pass through a brick and float to the end of the level yes if they hit a brick yes at like a 30 degree angle yeah i and i go and i go wait i have hit that brick a million and 20 times yes you're telling me you can just glitch through the level i saw that same guy i was just talking about what is that was that mario 1 mario 1 yeah it was level 1-2 yeah in the blue dungeon yes blue dungeon yep so i was getting confused with the gray dungeon that's what i thought you're talking yeah yeah no it's the blue dungeon yep yeah and that same guy i was talking about he did a zelda a legend of zelda speed run and yeah when you're talking about a glitch right away in the beginning if you go a couple of uh uh you know frames over from from the start um there's like a river that you can't get over yeah but if you do this thing you go back and forth like two or three times, it glitches you to one of the castles that you can't get to unless you have special stuff. Yeah. But it gets you there, and then you can get through the game faster that way. It's crazy. And I was like, who finds this out? Because these guys are doing this for – Yeah, it's nutty. It's cool. Like I said, I'm sitting here watching it. Yeah. My wife's like, what are you doing? I'm like, if I tell you, you're going to never have sex with me and divorce me. This isn't happening. You'll never look at my penis the same way again.
    12:32
    So my common answer now is always just nerd stuff. Because I've tried explaining stuff to her, and she always looks at me. She has a funny friend. I love my wife. She's great. She goes, my lady boner is completely gone.
    12:49
    I'm like, yeah. Yeah, I'm not getting any pussy this way, am I? Nope, not happening. Now, my wife, when she comes in, she's like, what are you watching? And I go, nothing. Fuck this. Sometimes my answer, honestly, it's just porn. Yeah. She's like, what are you watching? I'm watching porn. Nothing. Because it's way easier to explain than what I am watching. Don't worry about it. I got my headphones on. I'm giggling like a 10-year-old kid. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, that's so cool. Yeah. Nope. No, speedrunners are serious. They are. Like I said, it's sad and awesome at the same time. Yeah, you see like the Mike Tyson one where like he plays those. Yes. He just hits like a dude once. Pew, pew, pew, pew, pew. And you're like, what? Well, if you wait until the third punch and hit him in the stomach, he'll just go down. Yeah, I watched the, it's funny you say that. I watched the Super Punch Out from Super Nintendo one. Okay. And the guy got through the entire game. I think it was literally like eight minutes. Oh. and i was just like hmm i struggle with this guy over here doing this thing you know yeah speed runs are crazy because they can beat mike tyson in like one punch if you time the i think it's in the background the crowd there's a oh the guy there's a camera flash yeah so if you can line up your punch with the camera flash it'll knock mike tyson out and that just came out i was gonna say that that just got exploited recently yeah so that's kind of cool because yeah people have been trying that for years and mind blown it's just you know they don't know it because these are just bugs in the game yeah so it's fucking crazy yeah again who does all that shit but that's someone who you know plays the game over and over again and so anyway back back to the vr stuff that i was so i was so impressed with it and my my wife wanted it so badly i have to i have to actually let it breathe a little bit and see if she's still in Well, I would honestly wait because, you know, Google, Facebook, they all have them, and they're getting cheaper. Yeah, but they're different. No, no, I know they're all different, but I'm saying they're getting cheaper, though, every day. Yeah, but Oculus is the most powerful one. Like, I don't care if one that's cheap and doesn't have the powers or the specs is getting cheaper. I don't care if they don't. all that matters is you have the right specs to to play these games because the one that our buddy has is the oculus um and that was not hooked up to a computer or that's just no it wasn't this is the oculus um there's the rift which hooks up to the computer that's the regular one that's like 400 or something you know i should probably look it up real quick because I don't want to get it wrong. So this one, it was powered by itself? Yeah, it's its own thing.
    15:45
    It's Oculus Quest is what it's called. So the Oculus Quest obviously is its own unit. It has its little carrying case. It has two controllers. It's really awesome. $499, yeah, I'm looking at Walmart. And for a 128, I think, gig version, yeah, it's about $500. But did you see the Google Cardboard?
    16:05
    It's $25. Okay perfect It's a real thing sorry Perfect You stick your phone in this like cardboard box that Google made So anyway even though this thing's 500 bucks It still doesn't have the power the Oculus Rift has that connects to your computer How much is a Rift?
    16:28
    I'm looking at them now Quest, VR Oculus Rift I believe if I'm not mistaken is looking up here. Yeah, it's all over the board, because they have something called Oculus Go that's like half that price. It's $200.
    16:46
    Standalone. Oh, this is the Quest. See, the Quest pops up all the time. Yeah, because that's probably the most popular, I would assume. I just need to go on Amazon and just call this call it this is really well here well while we're yeah we'll bore you guys to death here the best vr headset in 2019 yep standalone uh oculus quest seems to be the the one yeah so the rift is still right there price wise i mean there are some that are more expensive but the rift is roughly four to five hundred dollars but you need a really powerful pc to run it yeah and the thing with that is um a lot of the games that are out there like it's a big difference in power like it's a big difference in what you're looking at in that screen um versus like you know something that's fully rendered and looks really really good and what do you need the most of like the video card i think it's the video yeah yeah because i i uh Recently, earlier this year, I built a pretty substantial PC.
    18:01
    I spent like $1,200 or $1,500. I mean, it was beefy because I got it so it was VR compliant in case I wanted to do that. Right. So I think I'm good if I wanted to do that. But now the standalone seems like a better option. I don't know.
    18:20
    You're just not getting the graphics. Is that what it is? Yeah. The graphics are a lot better on the Rift than there is on the Quest. So they have the same games, but you're looking at Nintendo 64 versus PlayStation 4. Okay, got it. So when you were looking at this, it was blocky. Was it Tekken style? The two games we played were, well, Beat Saber was fine, but there's not a lot there. And then this other one is very stylized. This Pistol Whip was very stylized. so it's the same either one. So there's games that are on both that look identical to each other, but there's ones that are like... There's a couple zombie games I was looking up that were... You need some serious video power to make them work. Blocky zombies versus full-on Resident Evil style zombies. Okay, so... But it sounds to me like for your average gamer, the Quest is probably sufficient. It's probably the most popular seller they have. Because it's... Nobody's putting in $2,000, $3,000. Because it's portable, it works, you can have a lot of fun with it, you can play a bunch of games. Yeah, and I could take it to my parents' house and try VR. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, no, that sounds much better. Yeah it on the list I don know I don know So the ones that hook up to the computer are those hooked up through USB Or are they physically hooked up Like HDMI I don't know. Interesting. I couldn't tell you. I'm just wondering, like a 30-foot cable and you do it that way? Well, yeah, they're hooked up. Yeah, it'd have to be. It's solidly hooked up to USB or HDMI. I don't know.
    19:59
    I guess HDMI is just output, video output. Yep. But, yeah, no, they're hooked up. but the quest isn't the quest is its own unit which is really fucking cool no that's so cool i'm actually very surprised because like a year ago you couldn't get that you know a year ago it was like yeah you have to spend yeah 1500 bucks make a nice computer um do it that way yeah like i said you needed a 300 video card or something more than that yeah yeah i think mine was uh Yeah, like 329 or something.
    20:31
    It was, you know, VR ready. Really? Yeah. See, I got a video card that was VR ready, and then when I installed it and everything, it later came back and said, no, not quite. Oh, really? Yeah, even on the package of my video card, it said, yeah, it's good for virtual reality. I did quite a bit of research, and mine seems to be, they said you can do most VR. I don't know. We'll see. Like I said, maybe I'll try it out. because it was a work expense anyways.
    21:02
    Sure. I didn't really care. No worries. But yeah, VR is very fucking cool, though. I was very impressed with it.
    21:10
    Yeah, so that's what I have to say about that. Okay. No, I'm excited. I've always wanted to try it, and our buddy who had it, he's very tech savvy, and he's a programmer, and he's all into reviews and stuff, So I'm sure he did his homework, and that probably is the best one if that's what he got. Yeah, best bang for your buck anyway. Yeah, he's all into, like, brand-new technology and stuff, cutting-edge stuff. But you're right about the waiting thing, too, because I'm always like, all right, well, that's what this year's model is. What's next year's going to be? I told that to Laura. That Quest at this time next year is probably going to be, like, $199 or something. Well, yeah, and they'll have something else. Yeah. Quest, too. Yeah, get them on clearance at Best Buy. Twice the power. Sure. You know. Sure. so i like i said but you can do that like i've been doing that with playstation lately it's like what do they have playstation 4 they're gonna have the playstation 5 next year yep i'm just keep waiting for the next thing you know yeah oh i'm in for playstation 6 you know because you can always play that game but at the end of the day though it's like all right do i want to enjoy it now or not yeah well it's it's fear of missing out and depend you know like so my Xbox. Well, I can always wait. It's not fear of missing out. It's just like, I can wait. Whatever you said, I can wait another year and it'll be even cheaper. Yeah, it'll be real cheap. There'll be something else out and it'll be even better. It's funny because my Xbox One I happened to get for free because I had all these credit card points and it was one of my prizes I could have chose, so it was cool. I get this $400 Xbox package or whatever. So I'm like, yeah, cool. It's free. I'll pick it up. and I'm like yeah I'm gonna do all this great gaming what am I playing on it I'm playing like old school games I'm downloading you know I'm downloading like pinball tables like we're talking about I'm like I'm not using this thing to its capacity I could I could do all this stuff on my PC you know but you know I said it was free so I don't really care but it's just funny because I'm like I'm looking at the games I did get a couple like newer games and I played that um I didn't get the new Red Dem Redemption I wanted to see what it was about so I bought the cheap like first version oh the first yeah the first red dev uh redemption i love that game no it's fun and you know i could say it was like 1999 so i'm like yeah cool and uh i'm playing it but then yeah i'm like oh what do they got oh i type in retro you know and i'm playing because i'm just that's me i love the nostalgia i love the retro stuff so yeah it's just what i gravitate towards i didn't play any but uh our buddy that has the vr set he had uh the pinball effects on the vr set i am excited about that because they've been talking about that. He's like, I can put pinball on there for you. I was like, fuck you, man. Give me something virtual reality. I don't want to play pinball. Yeah. Last thing I want to play on this thing. I want to play something badass. Give me something badass, you know? I want to shoot somebody. Well, I'm going to get one of those Google cardboards just for fun. They said you get a two-pack for $20. Sounds awful. You stick your phone in there. Could you just give me $20? It's not VR. I know. Don't do that. Give me the $20. I'll get the better use out of it. No, you won't. What are you going to spend that $20 on, Ian? I don't know. Strippers. That is better use. Let's go. We're ending today's podcast quickly. We're leaving early, kids. We've got to go to Strippers before Christmas. It's kind of a thing we do. Yeah.
    24:39
    Yeah, so why don't you give us some of your favorite Nintendo games since we're on the video game side. Oh, yeah, Legend of Zelda is way up there, which, you know, I know this isn't our pinball, but, yeah, I want a Legend of Zelda pinball.
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    Metroid. Metroid's another one. Of course, Super Mario Brothers. I mean, you know, like, my wife, she likes Super Mario Brothers 3, and who doesn't? You know, so all the Super Mario Brothers. Which one's your favorite, though? 2 is really good because I like that cartoony kind of style that's neat but it's 3 everyone likes 3 yeah it goes 3, 2, 1 3, 1, 2 for me I don't like 2 as much see the controls are goofy on 2 I like 1 and 3 big time yeah both Zeldas are pretty good yeah I never played Zelda 2 actually oh really and then a lot of other things I wasted my childhood on were Spy Hunter which was a good one we played a lot of that and then a couple cool Final Fantasy of course the original Final Fantasy I mean that game really sparked role playing there were a few before it but the original Final Fantasy was like kind of the godfather of role playing games and then there's a couple cool scroller double dragon of course i had double dragon three man those games are fucking hard oh they are they're brutally tough but yeah double dragon one was one that i i like i said wasted my childhood on um what do you think you put the most hours on good question uh that's a toss-up between probably mario and zelda yeah i'm thinking mario one or ninja gaiden for me yeah ninja gaiden was one i owned and i definitely put a lot of time on that so many hours on that stupid game i thought i was a ninja at the time yeah you're right megaman 4 i put a lot on megaman 4 i totally forgot yeah uh put too many hours and see for me it was megaman 2 is my favorite see megaman 4 is the one i own so you own two i assume yeah and it's like one of those things where i don't know how two was but with four it's like every time i thought i beat the game there was another fucking eight oh yeah no it son of a bitch i thought it was done but but two you know one obviously set the steam and it only had the six villains but two was the start of the eight villains in the the pattern and then you know willie's in the dr wiley's in the in the middle yeah um you know and it was so cheesy it was you know wood man and yeah yeah boomerang man laser man no i was that all one no cut man was in one um crap who was it uh metal metal man now you got me trivia here metal man, wood man bomb man was one two no bomb man was two I'll tell you Mega Man 4 I played it enough Skull Man, Drill Man Dive Man Bright Man, Ring Man Pharaoh Man Toad Man Dust Man uh that might have been all of them here we go heat man air man remember the big fan i never played two you know what i did have two but it was the uh the tiger electronics they were super cool at the time but oh my god those things got awful yeah they're like stern pinball it's all artwork and then you play it you're like this is stupid Bubble Man, Quick Man, Crash Man. He had the cool bombs. And then Metal Man, Flash Man. He could freeze time. Yeah, so did Bright Man, I mind. Yeah, they recycled a lot of shit. Recycled the hell out of that idea. But yeah, Wood Man was like a big log. He would shoot metal leaves at you. Oh, nice. Yeah, they were green leaves, but they were made of metal. That was always my problem with the Mega Man franchise. The bad guys had a better weapon, but once you got their weapon, it wasn't nearly as cool as what they had no it's like why didn't you have their same weapon I want that cool weapon I'm with you man I'm with you Sega Genesis had a game that was relatively similar I mean similar in a way where you could take your villains powers and it was Kid Chameleon I don't know if you ever played that but you like collect little power ups and you could have all these different you know ways to kill the enemies and it was always very cool But with Mega Man, yeah You fight a boss and he was really really good Because he had a really cool weapon And then you gathered gathered you know you got the weapon and all of a sudden you like oh shit oh yeah i know skull barrier this thing stupid uh the other one i forgot force field we were talking about earlier contra duh yeah i never really had contra believe it or not and every time i played it i was so angry it's one shot when you're dead i was like i honestly we loved it and then um so recently with my raspberry pi i set up the retro pi and i have all the sega genesis games they had a game called um it was contra hardcore yeah so it was for the 16 bit and it was it was a badass game cool guns cool weapons but same thing it was one shot and the american there was an american version a japanese version the japanese version had code you could use like the 30 or unlimited lives and all this different shit right well the american version did not so i wanted to play this game really badly just just to see it through and it was really tough because you had three lives and you had a couple continues but it was a hard game and you know whatever so going through going through well i found out you can set up your own cheat codes in the retro pie so i figured out how to do that i did it and i actually just did that last week or something it was it was fun just to see you know what it was like but it was it was a pretty cool game yeah no i am so catra yeah i've always just i never got it because i was like why is this game like ridiculously hard how it's like saying silver surfer was a good game oh my god silver surfer is so hard literally one of the hardest games it's hard it's so hard it's not fun to me it's so hard yeah i don't get it battle toads was easier but there were a few levels that were very tough yeah i never got into that one so the same thing i had to teenage green ninja turtles played a lot of that the original one we played a ton of that and it was a stupid game very tough and you should see a speed run on that i've watched no i've watched some it is they take down a tallow stick and then they just run through the whole thing and i don't even think they touch the ground no just float through the hole no it's it's crazy so and uh that game was terribly hard i mean it was a terrible yeah representation of the turtles You go in the sewer, which is cool. That part's neat, but then it's like your enemies are all kind of shitty. Who are these enemies? What is going on right now? You have these flying bats. Yeah, it was terrible. Castlevania. Well, you know, that Nintendo game started, they were in development before the cartoon series came out. Oh, that makes sense. So that's why on the cover, they didn't have the different colors. It was just all red. so that was because it was based off of the comic book stuff which they didn't really specify colors yeah because they were black and white comics yeah until the cartoons yeah yeah that game was uh was brutally hard but yeah there is a lot of cool youtube videos of these guys who just speed around and do crazy stuff and um i don't think any other games i have that are different than yours but I watched a guy do the, it wasn't a speed run, but it was just to play through, was Wolfenstein. He played through all the levels of Wolfenstein to defeat Hitler and stuff. And that was a game I played a lot of on the PC, Wolfenstein. Yeah, I missed that one and went right to Doom. Oh, yeah. I didn't play that one a lot. No, I played a lot of Wolfenstein when I was a teenager. It was fun. And once you go Doom, it's hard to go back to Wolfenstein. Oh, yeah. You know? Doom set the stage for those kind of games. Yeah. I mean, Doom was... They're still recreating those types of games. It's crazy. Very cool scenery, very realistic. Scary. Scary as shit. Yeah. And then you're right. You go back to Wolfenstein. It's like these cartoon doors. Pixelated. Yeah. You're like, oh, all you need to do is play it long enough to see a picture of Hitler on the wall, and you're like, okay, I'm good. It's Hitler in the game. It's crazy. But did you ever see a couple of the Hitler bosses? Yeah. He's in a mech suit. Yeah, I was going to say a mech Hitler. Yeah, that's good. And then when he gets out, he's like a three-foot dude. Did you ever play the Duke Nukem or whatever? Oh, I love Duke Nukem. Yeah, Duke Nukem is ridiculous. Yeah, because it's funny. It's humorous. It's actually a fun game. There's a lot of cool Easter eggs and stuff in there. Yeah, that was the first game I had where I just could not get the sound to work. Oh, really? Yeah, that's half the game. Oh, Duke Nukem? yeah he he was the first like smart ass like yeah i was so mad dude i was so mad oh man that's that's a game yeah but going back to the nintendo stuff yeah i would say uh jackal with the jeeps yes jackal's very good they own that one we played a shit ton of that one a lot of that one yeah i do like jackal um i'm trying to think if there's anything else we played a lot of tnc surf design which was like a skateboarding game and surfing game yes hard hard game but fun that game yeah once you figured it out you forgot it instantly yeah like oh i know how to surf now and then the next time you played it you're like wait how was that again and that was the thing about nintendo um skate or die was the same thing like trying to figure out 720 yeah but trying to figure out how to do the ramps and like you know everything is so because you only have two buttons yeah it was not organic it was always you had to figure this stupid shit out yeah it always drove me nuts yeah it wasn't until like tony hawk where you figured out how to skate sure no you're right and it was fun but you you know you could do some things and then other things were very very difficult right and you're like you're like eight years old so you're like ah this you know it's easier to skateboard at that point yeah yeah all right yeah that's all i really had i think i mean We covered pretty much all the Nintendo games I loved. I'm trying to think if there was anything else. I sold all my Nintendo games the other day. Really? Yeah, I sold them all. Yeah, I haven't had any for a while. I have an old Nintendo just for display. Well, I have that mini NES. There's no need to have an NES. Oh, no, absolutely not. These people that keep those and they're beat up, I'm like, why are you, you know. I was super happy, though, because the guy who picked it up was this younger guy, and he was, like, so excited. Oh, that's awesome. He's like, wow, really? All these? I was like, yeah, dude, here. Yeah. I found a couple more here. Well, that's the thing. Most of those are only worth like four or five bucks a piece.
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    Do you remember the first time you saw a 16-bit game? Yeah. Mine was Sonic. Yeah. And it blew me away. Yeah. It absolutely blew me away. Because, you know, you're playing Mario and Zelda and all this cool stuff, but then you see how fast you can go with sonic yeah and that cool graphics and that was like you know most people that are younger than us or even older than us they'll never like quite grasp that yeah but like we were we were right in that moment yeah where let's see we were like 10 or 11 when when that shit came out right yeah so you're like perfect yeah so your prime age for like this is the coolest thing i've ever seen in my life and it's still to this day it's it's one of my favorite moments like i can remember as as a child and to be fair if you play sonic today those graphics are still really good it's a cool game it was weird that sonic's graphics like they were good like that was about as good as sega genesis ever did oh yeah like even later games they still didn't do that no i i totally for whatever reason like with the way the animations were in the background and you had like almost two or three different levels there so well i'll argue uh and with frame rate and just all in all just the the complete package it was they were that was a that's still a beautiful game uh tasmania does does justice i remember that one well it was you know tasmanian devil and it was it was very cartoony very cool and and he was fast and he could spin and stuff and do his thing.
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    Cool backgrounds to your point. But no, I agree with you. You're saying about Sonic, just the way they had the whole scene set up. Yeah, I saw it. My parents were at the bar, but the bar owner's kid was upstairs, and he came down and got me, and I went up there, and yeah, he was playing Sega Genesis. First time I ever saw the system. I was like, oh, that's cool. yeah and uh and we played uh yeah sonic the hedgehog and i was like this is stupid crazy yeah it's just but i'll be i'll be honest i had that same moment when i went from atari 2600 to super mario brother oh sure no absolutely that blew my mind as a little kid i was like wait a second i can actually see this dude this is a dude yes and he's running yeah fireballs and yes it's so smooth and the controller worked so well oh yeah that that game single-handedly like they say that like saved video games yeah it was such as if it wasn't for that yeah and then there was another jump to that 16-bit and i would argue that we have never seen that jump again because these games are they've always been good but for whatever reason maybe it's nostalgia but the jump of losing your absolute shit. Just like, I can't believe I can do this now. And it was the same thing with Super Mario World. You know, when you see that, you're just like, holy crap, Mario's in 3D, and he's like, oh, you can jump on Yoshi and ride him. I mean, that was just some cool, cool shit. Video games, brother. Video games. Alright, let's wrap her up, man. Thank you for listening to Fuck It Friday, episode number seven. Thank you for listening to our ramblings about video games and other nostalgia. Yeah, we were all over the place, but it was fun. It was. Welcome to Fuck It Friday. Alright, guys, thank you so much. Thanks, guys.