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Episode 105 – Triple Jackpot Seven

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·held·Aug 30, 2018
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TL;DR

Raymond Davidson won Northwest Pinball Championships; Stomp 2 tournament coverage and multi-machine analysis.

Summary

Raymond Davidson discusses his win at the Northwest Pinball Championships, followed by coverage of Stomp 2 tournament at Level Zero Arcade. Topics include tournament formats, game collection details (especially Lord of the Rings and Iron Maiden), technical issues at venues, and streaming production improvements.

Key Claims

  • Raymond Davidson won the Northwest Pinball Championships Open division, taking first on Shadow and The The Addams Family, second on Dialed In!!

    high confidence · Raymond Davidson, directly describing his tournament results

  • Women's Division/Finals division had 23 participants and the Classics division had approximately 90 people with a top 16 cutoff

    high confidence · Raymond Davidson, reporting tournament statistics

  • Robert Gagnon won the Classics division, losing the Open finals tiebreaker to Chad Bruhog by less than 3,000 points (1,130,618,171 vs 1,133,341)

    high confidence · Ron Hallett reading tournament results; Raymond Davidson confirming details

  • Chase from GeekGamer.tv streamed the Northwest Pinball Championships 5-6 years ago and was one of the first to stream pinball tournaments

    high confidence · Ron Hallett describing streaming history

  • Stomp 2 ran simultaneous match play and heads-up Stars tournaments with 20 of 25 attendees signing up for the heads-up challenge

    high confidence · Bruce Nightingale and Ron Hallett describing tournament logistics

  • Chuck Webster won the Heads Up Stars Challenge, defeating Jason Plourde in finals after sweeping three previous opponents

    high confidence · Ron Hallett reporting tournament results

  • TNA (game) arrived Wednesday before Stomp 2, which Ron had kept as a surprise mystery game

    high confidence · Ron Hallett describing TNA's arrival timing

  • Iron Maiden: Legacy of the Beast The Beast (Pro) is Raymond Davidson favorite game in his current collection due to its fast-paced gameplay without grinding feel

    high confidence · Raymond Davidson discussing his game preferences

Notable Quotes

  • “I only played Dialed In!! in the finals, and I got second on it. I got first on Shadow and The The Addams Family.”

    Raymond Davidson @ early — Clarifying his tournament results at Northwest Pinball Championships

  • “Triple jackpot seven! It's just such good call-outs.”

    Raymond Davidson @ mid — Expressing enthusiasm for Lord of the Rings' audio callouts; becomes running joke about the phrase

  • “Iron Maiden is just so fun. And every game is, like, different. It's long playing, but I don't feel like it's long playing.”

    Raymond Davidson @ mid — Explaining game design quality and pacing preferences

  • “We can't do both. Because what we did, our original idea was we were going to have a double elimination heads up tournament.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ late — Identifying logistical constraint that tournament organizers learned for future events

  • “I let him win because then he gave them that false hope when we go to their tournament.”

    Raymond Davidson @ late — Joking about intentionally losing to Chuck Webster in tournament preparation

  • “Where else do you get three different tournaments? Three stars.”

    Ron Hallett @ late — Highlighting the unusual concentration of Stars machines at Stomp 2

  • “I basically went in there, and it was sticking in the same spot, so I just bent the one part of the flipper mech itself, and that finally fixed the damn issue.”

    Ron Hallett @ late — Describing maintenance fix for Spider-Man flipper issue recurring from previous year

Entities

Raymond DavidsonpersonRon HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonNorthwest Pinball ChampionshipseventStomp 2eventLevel Zero ArcadevenueChuck WebsterpersonSlam Tilt PodcastorganizationChaseperson

Signals

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    event_signal: Northwest Pinball Championships drew strong participation across divisions: Classics (90 entrants), Women's (23), Rookie, and Open. First-time streaming partnership with Chase from Geek Gamer TV brought high-production direct feeds from game displays.

    high · Raymond Davidson and Ron Hallett discussing tournament structure, attendance, and new streaming partnership details

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Raymond Davidson maintains dominant tournament performance streak, winning Northwest Pinball Championships Open division. Robert Gagnon nearly swept (won Classics, lost Open finals in tight tiebreaker), suggesting depth in competitive field.

    high · Tournament results showing Raymond's three first-place finishes and Robert's near-sweep performance

  • ?

    operational_signal: Simultaneous match play and heads-up tournament formats created scheduling conflicts and logistical strain at Stomp 2. Organizers identified need to choose one format in future events. Double-elimination heads-up proved impossible to complete in single-day window.

    high · Bruce and Ron discussing tournament timing issues, late-night completion of heads-up brackets, and decision to modify future event structure

  • ?

    product_concern: Multiple equipment issues reported at Stomp 2 and Northwest Championships: Dialed In trapdoor problems requiring tab adjustment, Spider-Man flipper sticking (recurring issue), Stars flipper issues, Big Game flipper failure, Terminator 3 plunger sticking. These suggest ongoing maintenance challenges with rental/tournament machines.

    high · Detailed maintenance descriptions by Ron Hallett; Raymond Davidson discussing Dialed In trapdoor YouTube tutorial; recurring Spider-Man issue noted

Transcript

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0:00
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0:22
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0:45
Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. Hello. Wow, that's rather, that doesn't have your usual energy. What's going on? I'm here. We're just an hour behind. We're an hour behind. Well, there's a reason for that. Not yet. First, this is episode 105, Captain America Civil War. Great movie. So that's a great movie. Okay. Yes. So you'd recommend that one to me? Yes, I would. Are there any Marvel movies you wouldn't recommend to me? Yeah, a couple. Like the first Incredible Hulk's a bad one. A couple others. But, yeah, this one is a thumbs up from Bruce. But we have to start thinking about the new batch of movies now. We need to go to another genre. Well, maybe our guest can help us because it's the Monday after the Northwest Pinball Championships. And you know what that means. Ooh, who won that? It's the normal winner of the tournament, and we always have him on after he wins. It's Raymond Davidson. Welcome. Hey, guys. It literally is a tradition. I texted Bruce today, and it's like, you know Raymond won again, right? Like, yeah. Like, did you ask him to be on yet? Come on. I mean, this is just a normal thing now. Yes, and I asked him, and he said, of course. And boom, four hours later, five hours later, we're rocking with Raymond. Yeah, Bruce gets results, man. He makes things happen. Everyone loves Raymond. So is that the title? I think I've used that as a title before.
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gameplay_signal: Lord of the Rings features complex multiball jackpot mechanics with multiplicative scoring. 'Triple Jackpot Seven' requires maintaining four balls in play while hitting seven jackpots, with Gollum/Schmeagol phase affecting scoring (2x or 0.5x). Double scoring multipliers can create 12x jackpot values.

high · Detailed discussion between Raymond Davidson and hosts explaining jackpot ladder mechanics, ball counts, scoring phases, and Gollum multiball strategy

  • ?

    content_signal: Northwest Pinball Championships featured upgraded production with direct DMD/LCD feeds from all games (except Total Nuclear), live score overlay widget, and partnership with Geek Gamer TV. Stomp 2 achieved dual simultaneous streams on separate Twitch channels (slamtiltpodcast and pinballprincess).

    high · Discussion of Chase's streaming setup, direct feeds, custom score widget, and dual-stream solution using Steph's rig

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Iron Maiden Pro praised for avoiding grinding feel despite long play sessions; rules accessibility allows scoring to begin immediately rather than requiring setup phases. Contrasted with Simpsons' mode setup time.

    high · Raymond Davidson: 'It's fun right away' and comparison to Simpsons requiring setup before fun content

  • ?

    product_concern: Dialed In's factory SIM card hole protector design questioned; removal makes SIM hole much easier to hit, allowing combo strategies. Cliffy aftermarket protectors also being debated for removal. Players note different game feel between versions with/without protection.

    medium · Discussion of protector removal at Pinberg and Pentastic events making hole more accessible; Raymond's factory vs aftermarket protector comparison

  • ?

    community_signal: Stomp 2 featured collaborative organizing with communal food contributions (bread from Steph, wings from her father) and shared equipment (multiple streaming rigs provided by different people). Level Zero Arcade described as venue for community events.

    high · Discussion of food contributions, borrowed streaming rigs, and collaborative problem-solving during tournament

  • $

    market_signal: Raymond Davidson's collection includes 12+ titles spanning modern (Iron Maiden Pro, Dialed In) to classic (Metallica, Aerosmith, Walking Dead, Tron). Acquired Iron Maiden Pro through tournament winnings (WWE limited edition flip), indicating prize monetization strategy.

    high · Raymond listing collection and explaining WWE-to-Iron Maiden transaction; discussion of direct shipment to buyer

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Chase from Geek Gamer TV returning to pinball streaming after 5-6 year absence; now updating streaming techniques and working with established streamers like Carl. New generation of streamers (Steph as 'Pinball Princess') emerging to support tournaments.

    medium · Discussion of Chase's streaming history and his collaboration with Carl on new streaming widgets; Steph's impromptu rig contribution

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    gaming_signal: Old Chicago (EM pinball) used as tiebreaker in Classics division, with Ron expressing frustration at not being selected in his group picks. Bally code modifications with tilt-through protection being tested on classic machines at tournaments.

    medium · Ron's account of missed Old Chicago opportunity; mention of Scott C.'s Bally code modifications preventing tilt-throughs

    • 2:17
    Probably the first time we had him on. Really? I'm guessing. Yeah. I've exhausted so many titles now I actually have to go to our website and like search to make sure I don't reuse something would anyone call you out on that though yes there are people who would call us out on that you know you used that already like the really short episode I was going to call like a quick one and I noticed we already used that so I called it another quick one and Bruce did you notice something about our website nope did you notice what we don't have anymore nope podcast garden is dead jim dead jim it's dead i deleted our account we're gone we're off we're done wow did you back up all those podcasts uh why are you having backed up okay and they're all on our site now which they weren't all accessible on podcast garden they had issues with some of the earlier ones and on top of that a couple weeks ago we had a mail asking about um Google Podcasts, the fact that it wasn't updating. Yes, it was. And I was confused as to why there's no, you know, I downloaded the app, but you couldn't plug RSS feeds in and all that. It's because it's a new thing Google's doing where they basically just, like, they crawl the sites, and if it's a podcast site, they just grab the podcast from it, and that's how they're doing it. So they were grabbing it from Podcast Garden, which we stopped updating after the 99th, I think, episode 99. Okay. So I'm hoping by deleting that and now that when you Google our Slamto podcast, our website is the first thing that comes up. I'm hoping that that will start to work now.
    3:55
    I don't know. I just use the iPhone, iTunes, whatever thing. You got it. Yeah. And the funny thing is a lot of the Droid podcatchers, you know, Droid, guess what they use? They use the iTunes list anyway, which is funny. It is. So how was everyone's weekend? How it's going, Raymond? What did you do? Did you do anything this weekend?
    4:16
    Oh, yeah. I helped set up a bunch of games and running, making tournament decisions and all the sort of fun running around this weekend at the bowling alley. There was a pinball tournament going on, and then I ended up playing in it, and I won it.
    4:35
    Was it the same location as last year? Yep, the old Linwood Bowling Scape. This is the Northwest Pinball Championships. And what game did you bring? Or games?
    4:46
    The Dialed In, Metallica, and Guardians were mine. But I will have you know, I only played Dialed In in the finals, and I got second on it. I got first on Shadow and Addams Family. All right. It looks like there was a Classics division, a Rookie division, a Women's division, and then the Open division. Yeah, we actually had a great, great turnout this year. People were really interested in the rookie division. We had a lot of people putting in entries the whole time. Women's had like 23 people, and the classics had like 90 people as well. And that was only a top 16 cutoff, which was pretty brutal. I'm looking at the rookie finals, and I see one of the coolest names I've ever seen. Flash Hayes.
    5:37
    Yeah, he's a local Seattleite. Is that his real first name? I have no idea. I've always wondered that. Is his brother's name Purple?
    5:47
    Okay, that was bad. Or Flash Gordon. Well, then it would be a different last name. Sure, Bruce. Flash Gordon Hayes. You never know what it is. No, I think the joke Ron was trying to make is, you know, his brother Purple Hayes. Have you ever met him? Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Maybe his name is Flash Gordon Hayes, and then you really get the perfect one. Okay, Bruce. Wait a minute. I recognize all these rookies' names. Are you sure they're rookies? They were, I think, ranked over 1,000. So it's over 1,000? Yeah. Could you get in that, Bruce? Are you a rookie? Nope, I'm not a rookie. Fails on both of us. So we had the women's finals.
    6:22
    Let's go to the winners. See, I don't want to butcher some of these names. But you will. No, hopefully Raymond can help me with this. The winner was Brooke.
    6:32
    Nope. Nope? Oh. Okay, B-O-R-C-H-E-R-D-I-N-G. I'm not even going to try to say it. So congratulations, Brooke, for the victory. Yeah, I think we just all call her Brooke. And there's only like one Brooke around here. And what did she win? She won, I think, $500.
    6:52
    Nice. Yeah, it was a pretty big women's pool. And what did the rookies win? I think it was just $100, maybe $200. Then we had the classics, which we got. I'm looking here. We got all the big names. All the big names and the winner of the Classics, which is cool because it came down to a tiebreaker on Old Chicago. One of my favorite EMs.
    7:16
    I was so mad. I'll get to that. Uh-oh. He was so mad. Robert Cagno defeated Chris Chin. What were you going to say about the Old Chicago? I was super mad I didn't get to play it finals because I was in group four and so I got to choose or not choose the three games that nobody else wanted to play including me and basically just shat the bed and got eliminated but then I got to go home take a nap watch the women's finals on stream and come back ready to crush open so it worked out people that don't know the format where there's four groups and the groups ahead of you pick a game and then you get locked out of picking your games and i had put up 200 000 on that old chicago i was ready to crush and i didn't get to pick it all three games because the groups ahead of me all picked it yeah you got to play hot doggin yeah he took his hero that's why he uh doesn't sound very happy to paragon yeah i mean i could actually play paragon i was going to pick that game and i i won it so that was fine and someone got a one which i assume something happened there or they screwed up the score. Played out of order.
    8:33
    Hate when that happens. Then we have Skateball. Yeah, I have a curse. If you ever want to beat me on a game, just take me to Skateball because I'm 0 for 3. I lost to Josh Sharp on it at a Papa tiebreaker, lost in Edmonton in the Classics Finals on it, and got absolutely destroyed again in the Classics Finals. So something about that game in tournaments, it just does not agree with me. Writing that down. Pick Skateball. Okay. Break Skateball and then pick against him.
    9:05
    And these ballies, were you doing the Player 1-3 stuff? No. That seems to be popular. There weren't any tilt-throughs. Yeah, it's weird because I was talking when we had Stomp this weekend, which we'll get into. Our own Scott C was there, and he was somewhat confused because he has written or he has modified versions of all the Bally code that has tilt through protection or whatever you want to call it. I don't know exactly what it does, but it prevents the tilt throughs. I think it probably makes it like the Stern games where you can't tilt through.
    9:40
    I didn't realize there was versions like that out there. Yeah, I had no idea. So then we get to the, well, let's see who won Classics. Oh, I already said that. Sorry. Robert Gagnon. He was actually my prediction to sweep. I thought he was going to win Classics and Open before any of it started, and he won Classics, and I was like, yep, here we go. And he probably would have won Open if it weren't for a little, let's say, celestial interference? I don't know, what would you call it?
    10:10
    Celestial interference? Okay, what happened? It was an event, the tiebreaker that happened. Yeah, I'm looking at the tiebreaker. He lost to Chad. He lost, Robert Gagneau had 1,130,618 171. Chad had 1,133,341.
    10:31
    Yikes. So he lost by, wow, less than 3,000. Yeah, it was pretty absurd. But yeah, Chad was killing it. You know, Robert had 150,000 of his points for a mystery award, which people were going crazy in chat and like the Twitch chat. And, you know, people were like, oh, this game, why isn't it not tournament standard? The locks and the ROM and the mysteries. And it's like, well, that's the fun of it. It was the most fun thing to watch ever because of that, you know. So in the finals, we had Raymond Davidson, Kaylee, Colin Urban, and Chad. Okay, how do you say his last name?
    11:14
    Bruhoig? Bruhog? Yeah, I think Bruhog. Okay, there you go. And you guys got to play the Shadow dialed in. You were probably liking that. And the Adams family with Raymond taking first on Shadow, second on dialed in, and then another first on Adams family for ten points in the victory.
    11:36
    Woo-hoo! With Kaylee second, Colin third, and Chad fourth. So basically in the same order that it's listed here on the – Yeah, it was actually funny. if Robert would have advanced to the finals, the final four would have just been seeds one, two, three, and four. Yikes. And I wouldn't have got game pick. So when's your WWE coming for you this time?
    12:02
    The WWE. So what was the take home for the open final? $2,980. So basically $3,000. So you could buy a WWE. Oh, I'm just kidding. Yeah, I mean, you're probably not too far off there, yeah. Maybe not a limited edition. Maybe just the standard new in-box. I wonder how many LEs they have.
    12:25
    Well, Elwin told me they have a whole, like, more than one. So how do you feel about that, knowing that all your hard-earned victories will turn into WWE LEs in the future?
    12:40
    Well, I mean, it's still winning something, right? So do you have, like, multiple boxes sitting somewhere with these in it? No, I turned mine around as soon as I wanted. It never even went through my garage. It just got shipped straight to the buyer. Smart man. So I see dialed in here. How has your dialed in been treating you? Did you end up taking the protector off? We did take the SIM card hole protector off, and I honestly can't tell you if it made a difference. I think it made a little bit of a difference because I did, and I think even on stream, I saw a couple of direct shots into the SIM card hole, which were very rare with the protector on. Because I had the protector that shipped with it. It wasn't like an actual Cliffy. It was whatever Jersey Jack put on their first runs, and it was pretty thick, pretty beefy. So I think taking that off definitely helped a little bit. Yeah, I have the Cliffy, and I never can hit that stupid hole. Did you take yours off? I took the factory one off and then put the Cliffy one on, and I'm debating whether to take that one off because I've had – I play two dial-ins now without the Protector, not including the prototype. I played one at Pentastic, the New England show, and I played the one at Pinberg,
    13:56
    and it's like a completely different game. Like at least the ones I played. Literally, it would just – anywhere near the sim hall would fall in. Yeah, you get that sweet big bang combo like to finish a mode and straight into the hole. Yeah, that's actually what I did at Pinberg. Literally, I hit the Big Bang and went right into the hole. That's why I won. The other satisfying one is beating Meteor Storm with that left target into the hole. You had the trapdoor issue also.
    14:22
    Eventually, yeah. When I first got it, it was working fine, and I just sort of tuned out all the, you know, oh, you're going to have trouble with your trapdoor because they shipped it wrong. I'm like, oh, whatever. You guys just must have got bad apples. But then it started happening to me. And sure enough, I looked up your little YouTube video, and it perfectly explained what I needed to do. And I just did the bendy of the tab thing, and then it worked. And it should continue to work. There should be no more issues with that. It's pretty reliable.
    14:52
    So any other games have you picked up lately? What's in your collection at this point? Right now, the newest game I have is Iron Maiden Pro, which I basically – That was the WWE that I turned into that. I've been playing that a lot. That's my favorite game right now out of my collection. Iron Maiden is just so fun. And every game is, like, different. And it's just, it's long playing, but I don't feel like it's long playing. Like, I'll start a game, and I feel like I can get places quickly. Like, if I can just start a Fear of the Dark and, like, crank it up with scoring, like, it doesn't feel like a grind like Simpsons where you have to set everything up. and it takes a while, and then you get to the fun part. It's like fun right away, which is amazing. So enough praising Iron Maiden. I have Iron Maiden. I have Lord of the Rings, which is a grind, but I just love that game. You know, triple jackpot seven! It's just such good call-outs. I've never heard that one, by the way.
    15:55
    I actually have a funny story about that. I might have done it maybe once, but I distinctly remember I was at Full Tilt in Ballard at the right around time of IFPA 9 when there was a bunch of pros in town, which was at Todd McCulloch's house. And Zen, you know, Nick Zendejas. Oh, yeah. I was playing a game and I heard in the background Triple Jackpot 7. And I just immediately dropped my flippers, ran over to Zen and was just like, Dude, what? You got Triple Jackpot 7? And like, I actually don't remember the story that well. I just know that every time I see Zen, he'll bring it up and he'll be like, dude, that was so crazy that time you came over and we're like, whoa.
    16:38
    So is that the highest jackpot level? Yeah. It's basically the seventh jackpot in a row and somehow still having four balls in play. Triple jackpot seven.
    16:51
    Now I have a question. If you have Gollum, then it's really six times triple jackpot seven, wouldn't it? Well, two times triple jackpot. Two times? Yeah, exactly. And then if you get double scoring, it can be double that. Oh, God. So you can get a double triple 7X jackpot. Wow. Ow, my head hurts.
    17:12
    What was that again? Okay. I need to make a conscious effort to understand this stuff now. Yeah. So what's the deal? You got a Gollum. Okay, I know. There's a Gollum multiball. Then you get double scoring, which is one of the... Gift of the elves. Yep, gift of the elves. And then you start your multiball. Get your seven shots with keeping four balls active. That's all. Oh, and make sure you hit the seventh one during the Schmeagle phase of Gollum. Yes. What does that mean?
    17:46
    Schmeagle! You know, so Gollum multiball, every seven seconds or so, it alternates between Schmeagle and Gollum. and when Gollum's up, all the scores are cut in half and when Schmeagol's up, all the scores are double. Because Gollum's bad and Schmeagol's good. Yeah, and if you don't have the sound on or you can't look at the display, you can tell by the flashing light in front of Gollum's cave. If it's flashing, you have double scoring and if it's solid, you have half scoring. Interesting.
    18:15
    Interesting. The thing is, I didn't even know the jackpot one, two, three, four. I didn't realize it was – I thought you had to hit jackpots like in a certain order. No, it's just every time you hit a jackpot, there's like three seconds to hit another jackpot that you haven't already gotten. So to get to a seven, it's basically a seven-way combo. But like with a little bit of time in between, and you're in a multiball. So it's not impossible, but it's pretty hard. Do you need all four balls in play when you do that? To get the triple, yeah. Yeah, because the number of balls in play, it's like T and A basically for the multipliers. It's all right. So double jackpot. Well, what's double? Is that three balls in play or? Yes. And two balls would be saying regular jackpots. Yeah, it's not, it's not goof. It's not, it doesn't have like a base value jackpot that's impossible to get. It's jackpot, double jackpot, triple jackpot, not double jackpot, triple jackpot, quadruple jackpot. Cool. It's the first time I knew what the hell that means. Yeah. And if you want even more, I mean, I could talk about Lord of the Rings forever, which is part of the reason why I have it in my collection. But to actually beat two towers, I think it's switch-based. It's like after a certain number of switches, you advance up the tiers. Although the jackpots help. The higher number jackpot, the more switches it spots. I think it's combination. I think it's switch and scoring. I think it ladders up easier if you're getting the higher jackpots. Right. But if you're hitting barely low jackpots, then it's also switches included also. Yeah. It basically just keep it alive and then you get super jackpot. Oh, ha, ha.
    19:52
    Anyway, back to the games. Um, so I'll just list them out. Uh, so Iron Maiden, Lord of the Rings, Aerosmith, Dialed In, Tron, Volley,
    20:07
    Meteor, Dirty Harry, Metallica, Guardians of the Galaxy Walking Dead. Excellent. You got a Dirty Harry. I always like to hear that.
    20:23
    Bruce has one too. Yeah, at the bar. Is that one yours or is that the one that someone else's? It's someone else's. So you don't really possess the awesomeness that is Dirty Harry. Exactly. Thank God. Oh. What? Bruce is not a fan. I know the play It just doesn't do anything for me. It doesn't do anything for you? It has such a good layout, good music, good, like, balanced scoring. Wait, wait, wait. Pretty much good music, except for the redneck bar thing. That's right. Yeah, yeah. And they made that the high score music. That was the worst decision ever. Other than that, it was good music. Super Loops is just like... Who cares if it's not really worth that much? It can be if you play it long enough. It just keeps going up and up and up. Yeah, okay. If you're Raymond Davidson, it could be worth something. If you're me, it will not be worth that much.
    21:20
    So any other interesting happenings of the Northwest Pinball Championships? I noticed there was some upgraded, I guess, video this year.
    21:28
    Yeah, we had a new person step in, I guess new-ish. He actually started. It was Chase from Geek Gamer TV. He filmed the – or he streamed Northwest Pinball Championships five years ago or six years ago, and it was kind of the pioneer of like – I mean, it's not like – he was like the first – I think we were like the first – one of the first streamed pinball tournaments. And that was the one with Jackbot and Daniele and Kaylee putting up like $8 billion or something. And then like right after that happened, other people started streaming things. I don't know if it was coincidence or not, but it was definitely right at the beginning of that he was right on board. And so he wanted to get back into it, and he did a great job, used all of Carl's tricks, even got Carl to write a new widget or something so he could scroll something along the bottom that showed live scores, I think. Yeah, it was just really good. We had direct feed from every DMD and LCD display except for Total Nuclear, which does not show the scores on the LCD, which I wish it did. But other than that, yeah, it was very crisp, very pretty. Yes, and people forget, I believe he was the first person to actually stream at Papa, the facility, before they got all their equipment. They did, I think it was the first circuit finals. Yep, that was the one where Daniele ran the... Daniele did everything. Had the greatest games of Demoman ever recorded, probably. Yeah. And the one you were talking about, is that the one where he gets the Megavisor? Yeah. Yes, it looked excellent stream, a very high-quality production. Just like our stomp stream, right, Bruce?
    23:11
    Yeah. Oh. What are you saying, Bruce? I wasn't involved in the production, so I would not tell you what is good or what's not good. This is all held to another standard of you. Hold to another standard of me. Held. Okay. Held. Yeah. Either way, that's a Bruce-ism. I don't know what... Did you understand what he said? I... No. I had no idea. Okay. But Ron does. That's the bad thing. Yeah, yeah. That's the bad thing? Yeah, because he makes fun of me about it, but he understands exactly... I heard him so much Yeah I know what he means It like understanding Klingon or something I just get it So that was the Northwest Pinball Championships
    23:53
    Congratulations to the winner, Raymond Davidson. Woo-hoo! So what's the next tournament you're winning? I'm playing in.
    24:01
    I'll be playing at the Vancouver Flipout in a couple of weeks. It was like that one IFPA where you beat Kaylee and then now you win everything. Was that like, that was just like the hump and now it's just easy?
    24:14
    I don't know. I mean, I've just been hot lately. I'm not sure. It just snowballed. It's like once you get the taste of it, you're kind of like, oh, I can do this. And you just sort of focus on what you need to do and, you know, a little luck here and there doesn't hurt. No, it does not. Now you can say you're the two-time defending IFPA champion. Just as cool to say two-time. Yeah. So should we talk about Stomp, Bruce? Do we want to get into the awesomeness at Stomp? Yep, you can. How dare you guys schedule your tournament the same weekend as Northwest Pinball Championships? I don't know. I mean, I'm sure we took all kinds of people away. Yes, Scott.
    24:57
    So we had Stomp 2, Electric Boogaloo, or Pinball Boogaloo, which was at the infamous Level Zero Arcade in beautiful upstate New York. So it started on Friday when Scott, our own Scott C., he brought his stars,
    25:17
    which everyone universally said played better than mine. So screw you, Scott. That's easy. It sat right next to the Spanish Eyes that I just acquired the week before. And then you arrived later Friday. With another stars. And we brought that downstairs next to your stars. Yeah, we kind of reconfigured things a little bit in the basement, and we had a heads-up stars area, which we used Zach's rig and my rig, a total of five cameras and one laptop, and it actually worked. It did. Like the next morning, I mean, I was just running around trying to get everything ready. They started arriving. The doors opened at 12? Yep. Yes, they did. What did we have? We had various food items brought in. Yes. Which is always nice. We had lots of bread. Yes. We had chicken.
    26:11
    Steph brought the bread. Her dad brought the wings. The chicken. Players started arriving, and we began our very aggressive effort to try to run the normal match play tournament and the Heads Up Stars tournament simultaneously, along with our usual, it seems to be a staple of Stomps now, the high score tournament on stars, on Scott's stars. So we had two stars in the Heads Up Challenge, and then we had another stars for the high score tournament. Where else do you get three stars? Yep, where else do you get three different tournaments?
    26:50
    So how do you think it went, Bruce? I love TNA. I love TNA too. I wish we could have used it more. Yeah, why couldn't we? It sounded like not quite love in the sincere.
    27:03
    Well, I could go into it later because that's a whole story in itself, getting the TNA. But, yes, the TNA. Perhaps we should mention, like, yeah, that's the game. That's the mystery game I've been talking about that Bruce doesn't know about and he did not know about. Nope. He was surprised. I posted it on our Facebook page when it arrived, which was Wednesday. Went a whole, like, couple days to spare. Oof. Yep.
    27:31
    It just worked out that way. I had no idea whether it would have in time or not, but then when I saw that it was going to be shipped, it's like, yes, all right.
    27:39
    So, yeah, that arrived Wednesday. As far as – how many issues did we have? We had big game, piece of the flippers died. Spider-Man, flipper stuck again on the upper one. Spider-Man, the flipper was sticking just like it was last year. So you see how often I play the game. I basically went in there, and it was sticking in the same spot, so I just bent the one part of the flipper mech itself, and that finally fixed the damn issue. I don't believe it had any more issues after that. Yeah, we had a big game. The flippers died, which was what, a loose connection? Loose connection, Spanish eyes sticking. You've replaced – what did you replace on Spanish eyes? Well, Spanish eyes probably would have been fine, but we had some picky people insisting that they start shopping it like an hour before the tournament's going to begin. And then yelling at me, criticizing me because I hadn't done anything to it. You know, the game that I just got a week before as I'm trying to get everything else ready. Fail. For some. Yeah, fail. Sorry. I only have so many hours in the day. Fail, fail. Ah, whatever. So, yeah, there was some shopping done to Spanish Eyes.
    28:47
    We had Terminator. The left flipper just got magnetized. The plunger just started sticking. Terminator 3 started sticking. So I just put a stiffer spring in, oh my, and corrected that issue. Then we had, well, how was the timing with the tournaments, Bruce?
    29:06
    A little awkward, but we worked through it eventually. I think in the future we're either going to have to pick heads up or the match play. We can't do both. Because what we did, our original idea was we were going to have a double elimination heads up tournament. And how many people signed up? 20-20. Yeah, 20. So out of the 25 people we had there, 20 of them signed up for this. And we had, we tried to do it just like the Heads Up Challenge, which Raymond is familiar with. Three games. Three games, two out of three, picking the challenges, same deal. Swapping. Yep, swapping back and forth and all that. By 11 o'clock, we got through almost the first, the single elimination part. Was it that late? Yes, it was that late. It was that late? I packed up the game right after that. We decided kind of early on, like, yeah, double elimination ain't going to happen. Yep. It's just not going to happen. And the issue is you have people playing in match play, and they're the same people who are playing in the heads up. So trying to get people on, you know, in between rounds, or as rounds are going on and people finish. Like, okay, these two people are ready. Get on. So we had that going on. And who is the winner of that? Well, we'll get to that. We're trying to plow through that. at the same time we got the match play going on and they get to the point where it's ready for finals and we're still doing the heads up and that's where i have my rig and zach's rig so how are we going to film the finals we have a problem so i will give props to steph the pinball princess because she brought her rig i think she was just going to like stream some games probably after we finished, was her thinking. Yeah. But it's like, Zach's there, the finals are going to start. Are we streaming it? And I'm like, well, Steph's got a rig. Maybe we can use that. So that's what we used. And the internet held. So if you want to see the Stomp 2 finals, you can go to twitch.tv slash pinballprincess. If you want to see the heads-up challenge, you can go to twitch.tv slash slamtiltpodcast. So we were dual streaming. Beat that.
    31:19
    Yeah. So in the finals of the Heads Up, we ended up with Chuck Webster versus Jason Plourde. With Chuck Webster taking it home, he is the Heads Up Stars champion. Chuck took the six games before that also. He swept three people to get to that, to win. Didn't he whip your ass? Oh, he did. I let him. You know, he's getting tired. Oh, you let him. Yeah, you know, because if not, he would have said, oh, New England's so great. And I just let him win because then he gave them that false hope when we go to their tournament.
    31:57
    Okay, sure. I totally got what you meant there. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. False sense of security. He won. What were the two challenges against you? It was like it was done instantly. Five stars he got in 30 seconds. Yeah, what was the other one? The 7K target. He had it in 25 seconds. So go ahead, tell everyone now. Oh, yeah. Last week, me and Bruce had an argument.
    32:22
    We had a rules thing where I was actually correct. Once. And that is on stars, was it for the spinner or the 7,000? I think it was lighting the spinner. Yes, lighting the spinner.
    32:34
    I was saying that it's the center target of both banks. Bruce was insisting, no, you hit two out of the three targets in each bank, and that's what lights it. Who was correct, Bruce? I can't remember. That means me. That means I was correct, which I honestly completely forgot about that after we recorded, and it wasn't until I was setting up the stars that I was like, oh, yeah, I wonder who was right with that. And it was me. This was a rare instance. Congratulations. A rare instance, especially when it comes to rules where I was actually right and Bruce was wrong. So this is a great moment for me. I hope to be graduating to the next level of rules comprehension.
    33:13
    Yeah, I think I might have been talking into my car audio when I was listening to it. I was like, I'm pretty sure Ron's right, but I don't know for sure.
    33:25
    So Bruce fooled me for a little bit. Yeah, he was really insistent. I was, because I thought it was that. I'm like, he's starting to sway me. But, damn, I'm almost positive it's just a center target.
    33:36
    So we had that finish. And then we had in the main, the match play, we had the Final Four, Alberto Santana, we had Paul Karras, Frank Romero, and Joe Lemire. Now, how long was the first game of Metallica in the finals? This is what bothers me because when it comes to, you know, for me, running this tournament for an anxiety-filled introvert like me, it's honestly not fun at all. It is quite stressful. My favorite part of the tournament was when it was over.
    34:12
    And to see the Metallica game last an hour. What? An hour. A four-player game. Yeah. Seeing Alberto Santana get like a 100 million collect shot in, what was it, Fade to Black? Yes. And to crank it up was cool and all. And I'm sure it was great for the stream, for your hardcore, like, pinballers watching the stream to see the game completely destroyed in that fashion. For me, it was a complete failure. I don't know. How would a game last that long in Metallica? Like, even when I have factory settings, it just kicks your ass, man. Yeah, well, I was told, and it was fine last year, and I double-checked it actually today, and the posts are at the furthest back position. I guess I needed to pull some rubbers out. That sounded weird. I needed to pull some rubbers out of the game, and I guess there's a setting involving stacking that I was informed by Zach and Greg Waparelli that I had set incorrectly. What? Yeah, I guess. There's some kind of deal where you can stack. You can work towards other multiballs while you're in a multiball or something like that. Do you have a pro or a premium? It's a premium. Oh, interesting. Yeah. Okay. But the thing is, out of the 80 settings that I went through, only two of them mentioned stacking, and one of them was already off. so I brought Zach over and was like, is this the right setting? He's like, it probably is. Okay, so hopefully it's the right setting. But Alberto got $380 million.
    35:47
    Talley had almost $200 million. And then the other players were not far behind with $160 and $90. So that's where you get... Actually, when they were playing this game of Metallica, I wrapped up the stars, we brought it upstairs, and had it loaded in my car, and came down and watched the end of it. Yep, and it had been going on for a while when you started packing off stars. I think it must have been just a freak of nature occurrence. Yeah, but for me, that's like a fail. I should have, like, I don't know, pulled post or something. I don't know. It's just because that, the way we did the finals, the same way we did it last year where you had to pick three different eras. Yes. So everyone's not just picking, you know, like, Metallica, Spider-Man, you know. Like, no. You're going to have to play an older game, a middle game, and then you can play a new Stern. So that was the first game they picked, and it just grinded everything to a halt. That took like an hour, like we said. And then the next two games probably took, what, 20 minutes, 25 minutes for the two games? I think it was, what was the final two games? It was Stargazer with the alternate ROM, which then we had guest commentary from Scott, who made the alternate ROM so he could explain it. So that was cool.
    37:05
    And then we had basically Zach and Greg Waparelli doing the commentary. Did very well. And then the final game was on Demoman.
    37:14
    And the winner of the Stop 2 Electric Boogaloo was Alberto Santana. That guy's been playing great, dude. Every time I've seen him on camera, it's been blowing me away. He was off way ago. Yep. So when he's not beating me, he's winning at my place. That's Alberto. Then in second place, we had, was it Joe? I think it was, yes, it was Joe. It was Joe Lemire. And in third place, we had Frank Towley. And in fourth place, we had Paul Karras. And those are your top four. For the stars, the high score tournament paid out the top two. And the winner was Chris, Chris Point. And second place was some guy named Bruce Nightingale. That's some douche.
    37:59
    On his stars or your stars? No, it was on Scott's stars. Oh, is that the neutral arena? The neutral stars. And what happened to all the money that was won? It was all donated back to a good cause. I don't want to screw up her name, so I want Ron to say her name. Dahlia. Dahlia is one of our people who goes to the Orange County Pinball Club. She actually has a rare form of cancer right now, and she had bad news this week. And she said, don't feel bad for me. Just donate to this cause of rare cervical cancer. So we earned some money for that. We earned $240 towards that, and I'll be donating it this week and getting that to them. So a good cause in her name. And thank everyone who did donate and who did play. That was a very cool thing. That's the other thing, the stars. Chuck donated it back. Yep.
    39:02
    So what did we learn about the Heads Up Challenge? This was our first time running a Heads Up Challenge. Some challenges are harder than others. Yeah, some might have been a little too hard. Let's quiz Raymond. Let's see what he thinks the hardest one would be here. We had five challenges. We had get five stars. Hardest. We weren't cruel enough to say you actually had to get the special. You just had to light five stars. Then we had Light D, left spinner. With the max, you get maxing the left spinner. Yeah, maxing the left spinner. Then we had getting the 7,000 target. Then we had just straight 75K score.
    39:39
    And then we had triple bonus. And we instituted like a five-minute time limit on each of these challenges. So what do you think by far was the challenge that had the most five-minute time limit draws? All-stars. Nope. No. Not even close. With that stupid one up top that you just have to bounce into.
    40:02
    3X was the hardest one ever. Isn't it just like hitting the drop targets a couple times? Hitting a three bank and then getting all six. Yes, but don't forget that stars. Stars is brutal. Even though we made it less brutal, we moved the in-lane posts in, and then we made sure, like my stars typically has Scott's modified software in it. We took that out and put the stock software in for both of them. So, yeah, that was the hardest thing. Now we've got to start thinking of which next game for the heads-up challenge.
    40:37
    Dual Dragon Fist? No. No, no, no. Dual Stargazers. Ooh. It's running the new software. Really, people have got to learn shit. What else can we do? Or a big game. Two big games? That'd be kind of cool. I'm trying to think of older games you wouldn't normally see. Yeah.
    40:55
    Any you'd like to see, Raymond? Any heads-up games you'd think would be good candidates for a heads-up challenge?
    41:03
    Yeah, it'd have to be, like, older games, but games that aren't too brutal. So, like, simple tasks, but can be done pretty reliably.
    41:14
    I don't know, like, Barracora Locker Ball. That'd be a little hard. That's a little hard, but yeah. Paragon.
    41:23
    Paragon. get 3x. Yeah, get 3x maybe. I was going to say 5x, but I was like, oh wait, that rarely happens. Yeah. The 3x would be probably the best on that one. We can't do Paragon. Carl already did that.
    41:40
    I like his drain out the beast slayer goal. Yeah, that was probably cool. Ron, you've got to buy a hot dog, and then we'll have heads up hot dogging.
    41:49
    No, no. I'd buy a hot dog before I'd buy a hot dogging. That game is so weird. What do you mean it's so weird? It's like one target to give you 3x, and then on Paragon it's three targets to give you 2x. I know. It's so bizarre. And the right spinner's just useless.
    42:08
    I mean, and the spin, yay. If her spin's useless. If you get lucky. Yeah. But yeah, that's about it. And there's one thing I learned at Stomp. I learned that a particular player who will not be named really does not like Star Trek The Next Generation. What doesn't that player like about it? It sucks. I love it.
    42:32
    It sucked enough for him to basically rage till three times and move the game back like a foot and a half. Oh, now I know who. Now I know who. Yeah.
    42:40
    You know who you are. Did you have it set up with no ball save and no kickback? It had a ball save. The no kickback is the default setting. I didn't change that, but that was a complaint. But his main thing was just the game totally sucks. But I'm not going to say who it is, but I just want to mention this because that game is in a row that behind that game is the septic pipes.
    43:04
    And guess what the game came really close to hitting when it was moved back a foot. Yeah, the septic pipes. And you know what happens when a 300-pound game hits a septic pipe? I'm thinking bad things are going to happen there. Shit happens. Could have literally shat the bed. But I have a question now. On your F-14, is kickback standard or not standard? To be standard, it's lit. Okay. Ron set up his without it, which is brutal enough, and his is pretty quick too. Yeah, that doesn't seem necessary. Although I guess some people who are really good at that game can have long games because they just, like, get to multiball and then, you know. I've seen it done at tournaments before, though, where they've had that off. Oh, I know. And I would argue, in that case, you can safely, or at least moderately safely, light the kickback hitting one target. Yeah. Someone should make a ROM for Star Trek to never have the bottom right kickback target be one of the options because that's just so stupid.
    44:05
    That was a mistake. The kickback should have been – the kickback should really be set to easy because it's like – to relight the kickback, it's just chance. The ball just bounces around and it's like, kickback is relit. Oh, thank you.
    44:19
    No more rage tilting. Poor Star Trek Next Gen. It didn't deserve that. It's a good game. Although, what do you think about it, Raymond? I think it would be a great game if it worked, but it's so rare to find one that's working that I don't have enough data collected on it. That seems to be the general consensus, that it's broke too much. Yeah, yours worked this time perfectly, Ron. I didn't hear one issue, one getting lost balls or anything like that. No, no. I also really don't like the slingshot geometry with the cannons that are useless. I mean, I guess they're not useless, but they're... They're not useless.
    45:00
    Well, the right one's kind of useless. The left one is least used for multi-ball. That's true. That one, they could have just done with one cannon. Then it would have looked weird, though. Yeah. It wouldn't have been symmetrical. It would have looked weird. well they could have um they could have mounted it like on the left like you know where the ball kicks out onto the rail like maybe i don't know they amounted like a more dirty hairy like exactly something like that but you know i don't question steve ritchie and neither should anyone else he's always right except no fear even he admits there should have been another white wood there there should have been a what another white wood he had to do no fear he had a very short schedule where they just had an opening and they're like can you do a game okay so just like he sketched it out and then they they made it and then that was it he didn't forget to he wanted to do one more white wood where he removed a shot he felt that had too many shots so you end up you end up hitting lots of posts which as you know you can end up hitting a lot of posts on that game I mean, the post should have been stand-ups. It should have been the original Thunderstruck because there's so much post hitting. You should have a post mode. No Fear has that Circus Voltaire loop, like two shots that are kind of useless, right? I'm trying to remember the play field on the upper right. It's like loop, skull, loop, ramp, orbit, right? Yeah, it has a little turnaround that he reused in Star Trek.
    46:28
    Play better. and has the voice call-outs he used in, like, so many other games that are from No Fear.
    46:34
    So that was Stomp 2. What are we going to call Stomp 3, the revenge? No, I'm thinking about it. I'll get us something. Ask our listeners.
    46:44
    Okay, our listeners, you have a whole year to decide. Stomp 3, what are we going to call it? So let's go on to news. Do you know Deadpool is shipping already, Bruce? Yes, it is. Customers have gotten it. it's on, I think, .81 code. We got a lot of improvement.
    47:03
    I may get to play this Saturday. We will see. We're down at Rock Fantasy? Yep. It's actually going to be there early, I guess.
    47:12
    Maybe I'll just wait until 1.0 release. Play it next year when it's all ready and fun. What do you say? They've been pretty good with code. They have been. But that might just have been Iron Maiden, because Keith had been poking them. Eh, they got a lot of coders now. That's true. They got a lot of new people in there So they had the on the Head to Head podcast they had I going to butcher his name Tanya Klais Mm Did I get that right Or at least close? Okay. The head programmer for Deadpool. And you know who he mentioned who helped him out a lot on the rules? Timmer! Tim Sexton, the new face of Stern. He's putting his input in. He's putting his input in, yes. I think Bruce meant to say giving his input. Yeah, probably. No. Did you know Paul Ferris joined Deep Root Pinball? Is there anyone they haven't hired at this point?
    48:09
    I mean, they're hiring every big pinball name you could think of that wasn't currently at a pinball company. When they hired Greg Kimmick from the Valley Days and also from Capcom, then I know we're bringing back everyone.
    48:25
    All right. So Paul Ferris, who did artwork such as the ones on Paragon, which we were talking about, Centaur, just some of the greatest art in the history of pinball. So he's going to Deep Root. So I guess you're going to have really good art.
    48:41
    Hopefully I will be at Texas and I will get to see the, what is it, the five days of Deep Root? You'll get Deep Rooted all five days. Is it still too late to change the name? No, we cannot. Come on. You know how much money they put into that, Deep Rooting? What do you think, Raymond? Do you think that's a great name?
    48:59
    I mean, I wouldn't have thought anything of it if I didn't listen to the head-to-head pin cast. Really? That wouldn't have, like, just, like, you know, that sounds like it's probably something dirty. I mean, maybe. Yeah, I mean, it does sound off. It doesn't sound like there's any reason to name it that. Like, I don't, it doesn't really say, like, oh, Deep Root. It's pinball. Like, I don't know.
    49:23
    Greg Ferris is the artist for Elvira 3. Did you know that, Bruce? I did. You did, because you know all. Do you know when Elvira 3 is coming out? No. Did you know that Eddie Munster is coming to the Texas Pinball Festival? Gee, I wonder why. He was coming to the Texas Pinball Festival before, and then it was pulled, and now it's back again. It's back to play.
    49:46
    What a weird theme. Yeah, you know, it kind of is. I mean, is that – so, Bruce, you know everything. Is that an actual Stern title, or is that a Kapow title? Kapow. All right, I guess it makes a little more sense being Kapow. What is Kapow, exactly? Joe Kamikow's company, who is going to be making, they made the Batman 66. They're going to be making the more, I would say, expensive high-end stuff. Beatles. Beatles? What are you saying, Bruce? Is it going to be a Beatles game? Of course it is. That was told to us a couple weeks ago by This Week in Pinball. Yeah, but they have a whole page of rumors. That one's pretty close. Okay. But, yeah, Monsters will be – it's a little weird because I didn't – you know, when I was a kid growing up, that wasn't like the – you know, Adam's family was the monster movie, you know, monster TV show when you were growing up. And then what's going to be next, Bewitched?
    50:40
    How about Sabrina the Teenage Witch? There you go. We can do that. That actually would make for a great pin. I can't lie. That would be pretty cool. How about Boy Meets World? You going to get that one too?
    50:52
    That's going to be the next rumor on Twip. Boy Meets World, new pinball machine. Wow. All right. That was about it for news. Okay. Kind of a light news day. So, Bruce, this is where you ask me, have you got any new games lately? Hey, Ron, have you got any new games lately? I have. I got a TNA, or if I'm on the Papa Announce team, I got a total nuclear annihilation. And how good is that total nuclear annihilation working out for you? Total what annihilation? I love the way you say nuclear. Nuclear. Just nuclear. Nuclear. Do you ever watch the Jetsons, like Knuckles Nuclear? I don't remember that. No? No. All right. Have you ever played the Jetsons? No. Thank God. No? Okay. So I received my total nuclear annihilation on Wednesday. Pretty flawless. It got there. No issues. I had a I guess I might as well say this because my stupidity could be funny and Bruce knows the configuration of my house well first the incompetence part and this always happens with the shipper so it's R&L carriers is doing this they call me on Monday and we agree it's going to come between 11 and 3 and the driver is going to call like half hour before getting there to make sure I'm there right? makes sense It's very straightforward. So what do you think happens? He gets there, and there's no lift gate. No. Okay. I get a call at 10 o'clock.
    52:27
    Remember, between 11 and 3? I get a call at 10 o'clock from the driver. He's already there. Yeah. So I was like, I'm like 20 minutes away. Like, I'll wait. Like, okay. So I drive there, and he already has the game out in front of my garage, which would be fine except for the fact that it was kind of cloudy out and it was supposed to rain.
    52:50
    But I get there. You know, it looks fine. So it stays in the garage until I get back from work. And if for some reason, because I had it in the garage already, I figured I would just take it in through the door, you know, the back door. So through the garage and through the kitchen. Like you took the big game. And I figured, well, you fit the big game through there, so there should be no issues with this. Not with the cabinet. it no without you're not with a container box no you would well i had it out of the box first okay so yeah no no didn't fit it not only did it fail when i i got it into the kitchen and then i was stuck i couldn't get it i couldn't get back through the door because i couldn't tilt the thing back to actually get it through back yeah i was literally stuck So the only way I could get it out was to take the door off, which required a very long Phillips screwdriver, which I did have. I got all the screws out until I got to the last one, and I couldn't turn it. So I actually had to go to the hardware store to get a bigger Phillips screwdriver.
    53:55
    Came back, and I was able to get the final screw out, got the door out. Yay! And then I attempted to get it through the kitchen. That still wasn't going to work. God. So at least I was able to get it out, though, because the door's off now. So then I took it around the correct way I should have done in the first place. Fail. So that was a complete failure. So that wasted hours. So I finally get the thing downstairs, set it up, turn it on, and the first thing I hear is just just a hum sound. I'm thinking, that can't be good. Let's just say I had sound issues, as in like crackling or just no sound at all. Not a good start. So I ended up playing with, I just reseated connectors. I ended up playing with some of the cables and got the sound to at least work, but it would get crackly in the low end for whatever reason. So I sent an email to Spooky. Meanwhile, the game itself, I mean, it was fine. The flippers, it was weird. The flippers were not aligned, and that one was up higher than the other. So I had to fix that. The pop-upper wasn't really working overly well. I had to make it more sensitive. It's an adjustment thing. I think that's all I did the first night that I had it.
    55:13
    Spooky had me try some things, and they suggested I get a new eighth-inch cable. There's a cable that runs from the – it's actually – there's a board that's behind the LCD that's on this LCD, and that's what actually, it comes out of there and then goes to like an amplifier underneath and goes to the speaker or speakers. They wanted me to get a new eighth-inch cable, but it has to be at least 12 feet long so it can reach, like when you put the head down, like it won't get pulled out or anything.
    55:44
    So I end up just ordering that on Amazon. And in the time it's, I ordered, it actually arrived today, but the sound seems to have fixed itself because I noticed during the tournament there were no sound issues. None. And I played it a ton today and there have been no sound issues whatsoever. I had to put some dampening on the glass.
    56:04
    I actually put electrical tape on both sides of the glass because it's so much vibration from that subwoofer.
    56:10
    I mean, the entire thing just shakes. Oh, wow. I'm talking with the volume on four. Like, fairly low setting. So then we get to the tournament and we had two main issues with it. Three. What was the third one?
    56:26
    Screws. Oh, okay. Screws came out. Then we had a tilt issue. Then there's four then. Okay. We had a tilt issue, which is very similar. I know we mentioned the Alice Cooper stream that Carl D'Angelo did, where a lot of people were just getting these tilt warnings. The player would get a tilt warning. Their ball would end. Next player would come up and just go, tilt warning, tilt warning. It's like, whoa, whoa. We kept having that to the point where people were just getting tilt-throughs, so we decided to just kind of take it out because we didn't want to deal with it.
    57:06
    I think I made the tilt a little less sensitive, and it still was doing it, so we just took it out. There's another issue that it's having that it's still having that I have to research and see if this is expected behavior or if my game is doing something wrong that's causing this to happen. which is basically getting an error on the second drop target, Mac, because what will happen. We saw some weird error once during our weekend, and we just out-cycled it. All right. Yep, and that's what we did. Well, what happens if you lock a ball? So the drop targets are all up, and the ball will be behind the second drop target. Yep. If you drain out and the game ends, when it goes to clear the balls out, it will drop the first target. It'll drop the second target, which will actually throw the ball back into the third target, knocking it down. But then the second target resets back up, so the ball can't get out. And it keeps doing it over and over and over again. That's the issue. If you have two balls locked, it doesn't have an issue. It's able to get them out. But if you have just the first one locked, it does that. That's why it was kind of infrequent. But when it happened, did it happen like, what, two or three times? No, more than that. All right. So what was the other issue? Screws falling out of the plastics. Which plastics? The one above the drop targets. Okay. The film screws. And the drop target one, there's an adjustment screw for the height for the drop targets. So you can make them flush when the drop target's down. Well, the one screw completely got loose and was on the bottom of the cabinet.
    58:48
    I don't know if it wasn't tightened from the factory or anything, but it vibrated and thunk. It was on, and the whole drop target dropped, and then the ball was sitting in the lowered drop target area. Basically in the gap, in the slot, if you will. Yeah. And the other thing I had is actually, when I was setting the game up, I heard something fall to the bottom of the cabinet. When I got in there, it was actually a nut I'm looking at. It's like, this looks like the nut that usually goes on the coin door screws, the bigger screws that go through the coin door. And sure enough, one of them was missing. That was the nut for that. So I put that on.
    59:24
    That was about it. But I was getting comments, you know, I noticed this. Zach noticed this. Chris was in our tournament. He brought it up. Everyone was saying how my flippers were up higher than any of the other TNAs they'd ever played. Like you could trap the ball, like almost every time. And I noticed that, and I thought it was weird. I think the consensus was maybe my flippers had more travel. but after watching the Northwest Pinball Championship stream, I was looking at that TNA and noticing the flippers at rest were way lower than mine. So I just started looking at other TNA streams, and they were, every one of them, the flippers were way lower than they were mine.
    60:06
    Now, mine was set up to be, like, in line with the in-lane guide, but that must not be where it's supposed to be because I put them down where I saw them in the other videos, and I'll tell you, it plays way better now. Mm-hmm. Yeah, plays really good now. So that must be, I wish they had alignment holes or something to tell you where you're supposed to do it if it's supposed to be like that, but it plays way better. I was playing it for an hour today. Wow. After I got home. I was getting the must play another game deal. Need more reactors, need more reactors.
    60:40
    Game is brutal. I turned the extra balls back on. We had them off of the tournament. So now it's basically in regular settings mode. so we'll have to see what goes on I'm going to have to keep investigating that drop target issue to see if I can figure it out but that was my TNA Odyssey wow Bruce you sound so excited yeah are you going to get one for the salute? no god no so Bruce still doesn't like TNA he hates Dialed In now yeah Dialed In is just getting it's a grind it really is a grind we were talking about it behind everyone was playing it just like Like, the scoring is still imbalanced.
    61:20
    One shot should not be 50,000 points on a game when it takes so much to do. Or 100,000 for landing in a SIM card hole. Exactly, yeah. But, you know, you could do everything else right. Oh, I get selfie mode. And I get 3,600 points for 46 selfies. Yep. What the fuck? I know. I don't understand it either. That just really annoys me. like one shot or sorry two shots you get more points than some people get the whole fucking game so you must hate dracula too i kind of do actually i do agree some of the modes like uh yeah like selfie mode or um the bash the magnet modes if they made those worth something like they could have been kind of cool but they're nothing is worth anything except for you know uh getting sim cards. Yeah, exactly. And most people time out the magnet modes because they don't want to get involved with it and get screwed up. Oh, it's so frustrating when you have lock lit and you can't shoot it up the middle to divert to the upper flipper. Good, they'll just grab that magnet and throw it right back down the middle of that and you'll go. I also wish I knew what gave you bonus because I swear sometimes I'll play the longest ball and get like 68,000 and then sometimes I'll play like a mediocre ball but like get, you know, 150,000. Like it seems totally random what your bonus is. Let me write this down now. Dialed in sucks. Must sell that. Dracula sucks. Must sell that. Okay. I just think it could be tweaked a little bit. I still love the game, and I think it's a great buy because I think years from now, people are going to – it's going to be like a well-thought-after title, I think. Scott Charles is going to agree with me on Dracula, so I don't even go there with that one. That's because he lost to me on it. So he hates it forever. If he hates it so bad, why did he do the software that fixes it? Because he got frustrated with it. Yeah. He probably got eliminated at a tournament by a 20 million mystery and was like, that's it. He did. That's what he said until you actually looked at the final score and like, no, that actually didn't make any difference. But that's the way he told the story for years. Yes. Yeah. To the point where I actually believed him until it just so happened I had video of like the place where we played it. and I had an actual, as I'm doing the video, the score came up of our game, and it was still on there, so I could actually see it. And I'm like, wait a minute.
    63:45
    He didn't lose by, like, $20 million. I mean, he lost by way more than that. That didn't matter. So I made a sign up and put it on, like, you know, Ron Hallett beat Scott Charles by this score. On this very machine. Yeah, on this very machine. Like the pop of plaque. Yeah, exactly. So Scott does what he always does. He rips off the sign. Boo. Yeah, boo. And then, actually, when Zach got there, him and Scott just started talking programming. You were lost and I was listening. Oh, yeah, of course. I was completely lost and Bruce was intently listening, completely understanding everything they were saying. I knew about Bites and Nibbles. Because Bruce is so immersed in code. I knew Bites and Nibbles. You were just like, huh? Maybe our listeners can say if they'd like to have the tech edition.
    64:30
    We could have Scott and Zach on and they'd just send questions in. I'm sure they would love to answer your tech questions, complicated programming questions, because they both do homebrew machines, modify their stuff, try to make it work differently. So I just think that would be an interesting episode. I did modify, I don't know if you noticed, the Guardians of the Galaxy had a new image on the SD card that had all the movie sounds instead of the voice-acted sounds. so the bubbly bow was actually better.
    65:07
    Oh, man. You're going to get in trouble for that? The studio is going to go after you for using those sounds? I hope not. Your video will get pulled now because it is actual sounds instead of the impersonators?
    65:19
    That would suck. That's right. I mean, they are just quotes from the movie, right? So I guess you could just use the actual quotes from the movie. Yeah, there's a big pin-side thread that had two options. There's like a version somebody made and then another version somebody made sort of on top of it that like put certain music to certain people's modes and sort of went above and beyond. And I think I had that one in. So it was instead of playing the generic like action music when you're in a mode, it actually played like a song that kind of corresponded to that person. Like Quill's Quest, I think, was like some goofy, you know, like all those songs and whatnot. And it was – I liked it. It was cool. That's right. They could actually use the songs, you know, the ones they didn't get the rights for. Right, yeah. I mean it's just some guy basically has this 8-gigabyte image that you can download and flash to an SD card and just stick it in. It was super, super simple. So what do you think of Guardians of the Galaxy? Do you like it? Yeah, I've been really digging it. I think the rules have really gotten there. there's still a little bit of like point explosions but at least I can kind of definitively say what's causing them now as opposed to before you know it was kind of a mystery like where the points come from but it still got that problem of being kind of cryptic Dave Stewart was actually making some good comments on the broadcast about how you know there's games like Adam's Family where there is a jackpot in multiball and that's the points those are the points right there you know exactly what you're getting, whereas Stern's with all the multipliers and all the nonsense. Sometimes it's like you play for a while, and then you look up at your score and you see how you did, because you have no clue what your score is. So there's a little bit of that, but I think it's getting better.
    67:13
    I actually enjoyed it. Playing that at the Saratoga show. I mean, modes you actually finish. Yeah, the modes are huge. The little pie chart thing that shows you how many, you know, how many shots you need. It's very, very clear if you know to look for the little pie chart thing. Right, right. But how's it been? You said it was earning good, right, Bruce? It was number one at the bar.
    67:38
    Number one at the bar, Guardians of the Galaxy. I actually have an operator trying to buy mine from me for that same reason. And I'm like, I just want to play for it at least a little bit, you know.
    67:49
    Number two is Iron Maiden. Number three is Star Trek LE. Number four, Adam's Family. Well, there's probably a reason they made 21,000 of them. I know, exactly. It just blows my mind. Do you have a Ghostbusters there, Bruce? I do now.
    68:08
    So how do you think that's going to earn? Probably pretty good, because I have it pretty loud and you hear music in the background. People will get attracted to it. I don't know if they'll go back to it, but they'll probably play it. Do you have the scream on or off? off i think yeah yeah i think i never once got the scream while i had it in my house and i think it's because i always had tournament mode on but i cannot confirm or deny i just i just know it had never happened to me yet it happens in arcades and bars like all the time so i'm curious if that is a factor in tournament mode now the bigger question is what starts sudden death in roller games. Isn't it like after seven seconds of not hitting anything, but you have to have hit a drop target? There's got to be some algorithm, right? Yeah, everyone thought there was. Tim, he had the game, and I don't know if he ever figured out what started it. I think he thought he figured out what started it, but then didn't. It's one of the great mysteries of mankind. What starts sudden death mode in roller games?
    69:16
    Because I know I was I think Scott was talking about trying to get the code and trying to figure out exactly what does it and make it so it's like not random. So maybe there's some skill involved. You should just make it so if you collect all of the skater things like that would normally just light a useless extra ball, that that would start like a longer sudden death or something like that'd be so cool. I wonder, I'm trying to think what Zach said. I think he said something like it should be you get the lanes on top. It's like, that's just cruel. No one will ever get sunned out that way. Oh, yeah, because nothing feeds up there, right? Nothing. Nothing goes in those lanes. Show me a roller games with pop bumper where it doesn't exist. They never go up there. There's no diverter. When we started the tournament, I had a test report on roller games saying one of the jet lanes was not working. Wow. And the only reason it said it was not working is because it hadn't been activated. I mean, so long as it's a ball, isn't there like a rail that goes up there for some sort of... No? Nothing? No, the only way you can get it, I think, if you hit the extra ball shot... No, that goes to the left. Okay, yeah, you're right. So, no. You literally would have to hit an unclean orbit and have it die and go into the pop-up or go into the lane area. Oh, well, that's weird. It should have been like a gate there, a control gate, maybe. Or just put a one-way gate in on the left side so that left orbits go around to the upper flipper, but right orbits stop. It's kind of like a standard thing. Yeah, I'd rather have it do, like, they have controlled gates, so if you're, like, doing combos, it goes all the way around or something. And if you don't, it stops it, something like that. I always like that. But then a lot of players that control players will always just wait and never go for combos. So, you know, what game does that? There's a game that does that. Oh, like Spider-Man. You hit, like, a couple combos, but you purposely don't hit, like, the left orbit because you don't want it to go all the way around. You wait. It was funny. I played on one that had the diverter broken for the longest time, so every left orbit always went to the pop bumper, and I got so used to it that now when I play Spider I get actually surprised when I shoot the left orbit and it goes all the way around I like oh crap oh I didn mean to do that okay next it time for the stumper this is a new segment relatively new segment Bruce has one I have one Raymond will get in on the fun here and none of us know well I don't even know if I'm right that's the cool thing So if our listeners think I'm wrong or think there's a better answer, please let us know.
    71:50
    My Stumper is, what System 11 game has the most drop targets? Hmm. Diner? Six. Oh, that's pretty good. My first thought was Whirlwind, but that's only four.
    72:11
    Think earlier, Bruce. think, like, what were the first couple of System 11 games? Road Kings has one.
    72:19
    Black Knight's definitely not System 11, right? Black Knight 2000 is, but yeah, that's C. That's way too early. That has six.
    72:29
    That has six. Mm-hmm. I don't know. Something that has more than six? Oh, yes. What's the second System 11 game, Bruce? I couldn't tell you the second game. Game Show? No, no, no. Earlier. It's got to be Grand Lizard. Yeah. How many does that have? Five and three, which would be eight. Eight. But there's one that has even more than that. Wow. Mm-hmm. There's three three banks.
    73:02
    Let me give you a clue. On the third ball, double your score, hit both ramps. Oh, God. Jokers. Does that game have drop targets? Jokers. Yes, it does. There's three three banks. What? For a total of nine drop targets. Why am I not picturing these? Where are they? You know, when I heard that answer, because to give credit where credit is due, Zach comes up with a lot of these little puzzlers. And I kind of had the same, like, really? That has drop targets? So I had to go to IPDB and look it up. Of course, he owns the game. So, I mean, he's obviously going to know if it has drop targets in it. You know what I mean? But it has three three banks of drop targets. They are in the game. So if you look at the IPDB, you will see them. Oh, wow. It's got three, like, on the upper left. Yeah. You can see them in the pictures. Do they do anything? It doesn't matter.
    74:02
    They're there. So that was my stumper. Oh, you're not all down to light a million, apparently. So if anyone knows of a game that has 10 or another game that has 9, let us know. But I believe Jokers takes the cake there. Wait, what about Laser Q? Oh, no, that's not System 11, sorry. No, that's System... Laser Q is System 7. Yeah. Ooh, what about Big Guns? Yeah. I think it has targets on the upper, but I thought the lower were all stand-ups. Yeah, they are stand-ups. It's only six.
    74:41
    I'm just going to the list of games now. No, the part, okay, you're not supposed to look at IPDB. No, I guessed already. So now I'm saying. So now you're going to do the thing I told our listeners to do. Yeah. So you had a stumper, Bruce. I did. And it is? What three games, production or non-production, used a System 8 board set? Wait, production or non-production? So you want me to name games that don't even exist? Well, one, they had 12, actually. They were prototypes, and they all went out, and then they all were brought back in. So if you want to go, literally, there's two games that had the System 8 board set. What are the two games? Are they pinballs or like shuffle alleys? One is a pinball. Hold on. I'll go exactly by the description. I knew the one, but I didn't know the other one. One's a vertical pinball game, and one is a bat game.
    75:38
    So this would be between System 7 and 9. So this is going to be somewhere around like 83, 84. Oh, pennant fever. You got it. That's the one.
    75:50
    That's the pitch in a rat race? Nope. Surely Raymond knows it. I tuned out. I don't know. I don't know what a System 7 is. System 8.
    76:05
    Still Crazy. Still Crazy is the name of the game. Yep, 12 units for production confirmed. Wow. Yep. They did a release sample run of 100, but the test results in the prototype were not very promising, so they pulled back the sample runs release before they even left the factory, so only the 12 that were built. So what you're saying is there's a high probability the game sucked. Yes, it did. I guarantee if I didn't say to you Pitch and Bat, you would have been like, ah, what the heck.
    76:38
    Actually, no, I knew Penet Fever. Okay, that's good. I knew Penet Fever, and I knew there's like a System 10 or something that's a Shuffle Alley. One of those ones was like a Shuffle Alley. So that was Stumper. Now it's time for mail. And we don't have much mail this time. But we have Jim from Texas.
    77:02
    He says, I hope your friend brought the fifth stars. Oh, I hope your friend brought the fifth stars him a machine to stomp. That's actually what it says. Oh, his machine, I think he meant. That way, when you ask players to rate the tournament, they would have to rate it five stars. pinball expo traveled by train versus plane he traveled uh from expo to syracuse yeah from expo to syracuse new york by train train left at nine o'clock in the evening slept comfortably arrived in syracuse the next afternoon see so that was a train option So the next part is how I always make fun of these eBay ads, how they're so screwed up with the terrible grammar. He says, I suspect so many eBay ads have completely trashed word choice. It's sellers using the mobile phone to place the ad and using voice recognition to dictate the ad instead of typing it. Sound familiar, Bruce? Yeah. Congratulations on entering the second century of Slam Tilt. I've enjoyed on the most recent episodes. You have included an outtake at the very end. reminds me of the stingers at the end of Mystery Science Theater 3000 episodes after the closing credits. I think I found one, guys. Thank you, Jim. I think you found what? A game with 10. And that is what?
    78:28
    Can't tell fully, but I think it's going to be... That's a weird title. Can't tell fully. Well, the problem is... I bet you that doesn't sell very well. Pool Sharks. Okay. I'll have to look it up myself with me. Come on. Oh, is that a system 11? Yes, it is. Oh, you know, it's funny. As we were thinking of it, I was like, oh, it's probably that one game that has like a pool theme. Pool Sharks has 10. Pool Sharks has 10, ladies and gentlemen. 10 drop targets. It does? I'm trying to count them here. I count three on the left side. Three on the left, four in the middle, and the other three on the right-hand side, it looks like. That's what I was saying. I can't see it fully, but if you look at the full view last picture on IPDB, and then you try to blow it up, you can't blow it up on that one, but you see there's three other. I don't think they're stand-ups because one I think is missing in the picture, so I think it is a drop target. Nope, nope, they're stand-ups. They're stand-ups? Mm-hmm. You sure? There's a picture right here where you can see it. Oh, no. Yep, I got the picture. It's one of the high-def ones. Blew it up. There are three green stand-ups. Damn. So, nope, that's seven. Oh, yeah, that's seven. Okay, yep, I see him now. It was just hard to see in that couple pictures. Fuck.
    79:52
    Sorry, Bruce. So, last email we have from Dr. John. Old games like old people. Wow. So, he sent a link. So, catch the latest episode of Dr. John and Emily as they play S.T.A.R.S., which is actually Ryan C's stars that they are keeping for him for now. So they streamed themselves playing stars. So check it out.
    80:18
    See one of the greatest games of all time, stars. See why we love it so. Still looking. Oh, you're still looking. He really wants to find one with 10 drop targets.
    80:32
    So the split second sold, Bruce. Remember that? It was like $300-something. Yeah, I know. It went for buku bucks. Went for $1,375.
    80:44
    Yikes. Zoinks. Hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry. Split second, ladies and gentlemen. It's a $1,300 game. Amazing.
    80:58
    Would you or would you not buy that, boys and girls? Oh, you got some? All right. Do we have a butthole crane? No. No? No. Okay, here we go. Ready for your first number? I'm ready.
    81:12
    173-494-734-719. Okay, we have a Playboy. Playboy pinball machine. Only $320. Yes. The seller has 100% positive feedback with 578 items. Mm-hmm. And the pictures are... Wait. Okay, there's three pictures. No, there's like two and a half, maybe. Yeah, there's a back glass, which doesn't look like there's any scores behind it. Like, it looks like it's just a back glass. Mm-hmm. There's a picture of the apron.
    81:58
    Then there's an actual picture of the play field. Mm-hmm. That has... Is that a mousetrap on top of it? it is with cheese on it so wait a minute why would you say like there's probably mice here when you're selling the game mousetrap mousetrap there's literally a mousetrap with cheese sitting on top of the game that's one of the fake cheese pieces it's not set so that's the fake cheese it's a plastic piece of cheese wait why is there a mousetrap on the game what what's it there for I couldn't tell you Okay, well, the play field looks all right. Okay, read the description now. Oh, God, do I want to read the description? Oh, you're going to love it. All right. Bally Playboy machine. The machine is not working. However, all lights work when plugged in. A professional repairman diagnosed the repairs to get it running, and the estimated cost is $800.
    82:54
    The front board is not mounted. It was removed by the repairman for diagnosis but not reattached. The machine stopped working eight months ago. I can reassure you that the machine is complete.
    83:08
    He's reassuring me. He never assured me in the first place, so how is he reassuring me? Think about that. He should just say, I can assure you that the machine is complete. It's just a Bruce-ism in the wild. Yeah, it is. With no missing parts and worked great when I used it and is in very good shape cosmetically, no shipping. Okay, now, Ron, what was the first picture you saw? The back glass. And? That's in the cabinet.
    83:32
    Yeah. There's no score displays. Thank you. There's no score displays. Well, he's holding it up, though. No, he's not. Yeah, he is. No, he's not. Look at his hand. His hand's on the left side holding it up. He has it out of the game. He has it down. See how the other lights are? He doesn't have it elevated so you can actually see the score displays. Oh.
    83:54
    But you would think if you're selling it, you would want to show that the displays are there. Yeah. Phil, you thought you were going to get on his case. I was going to get on his case. Actually, cosmetically, it doesn't look bad. It's not bad looking. And it's $320, depending on what's wrong with it.
    84:11
    If you're into Playboy, maybe if it doesn't go much. It has 38 watchers. So what's your point on that, Bruce? Estimated repair cost. It sounds like he said it was working, and then it just stopped working. What could possibly make $800 worth of work magically appear? I don't know. Displays? Yeah. That's $300 right there, or $250 if you get the LCDs, yeah. A little gun-shy on that one, guys. All right. Would you or would you not buy that for $320? I'd have to see it. Okay. Too much work. Well, it depends. If it's literally one board is bad, you could get, like, a board. Yep. For a lot less than $800 and have the game back up and running. I'd agree. Yeah. Okay, ready for the next one? Sure. 1-5-3-1-4-2-5-6-4-0-5-7.
    85:07
    Okay, first I was going to laugh because of the ridiculous price, but then I see the words rare. 1 of 12 prototype. Home use only.
    85:16
    This is from a seller with also 100% positive feedback. What, 192 items? It is a Stern Sega Golden Q pinball machine. This is the, um, what is it, Sharky's Shootout? It's A-Ball Deluxe. It is A-Ball Deluxe, yes, but it's Kelly Packard's. And you know who Kelly Packard is, right? No.
    85:39
    Do you know who Kelly Packard is, Raymond? Oh, I don't. Hmm. I know you do. Your generation would know it.
    85:48
    Don't. I can't. I don't know right now. Baywatch? What? The girl from Baywatch. Wow. How would his generation know it? He was probably like five when the show was on. Yes. Yeah. Come on, Bruce. Reruns.
    86:03
    Reruns. Yep. Okay. So is Golden Q. Oh, wait a minute. It's. Oh, I thought that was his signature. Wow. This is a terrible back class. Yeah. Well, if you look at the back, it actually says Joe Cow. Like Joe Kamikawa's names and one of the back classes in the back. I like the can you read this on the. Yeah, that was actually done by Stern as a thing to make fun of that we knew about Pinball 2000 before you released it. Wow. Because if you look at the reflection on the glass. It says, can you read this? And, you know, because it was reflecting off the glass.
    86:43
    Wait, so there are only 12 Golden Cues or is this a prototype Golden Cue? The Golden Q is a prototype where it was actually going to be linked up through the internet. You can actually use this through internet. And then they couldn't get Kelly Packard's licensing agreement all to go through, so that's why they re-released it. And it was Sega that was doing this. And then Stern and Sega sold. Stern took it over and then just did everything again in the Stern packaging. Because I think I saw this game at Indisc. I didn't know there was only 12 of them. Yes, it's a very rare game.
    87:19
    Wow. Actually, it is. It is there. Because we saw it there, Bruce. Yeah, I know. Yeah, yeah, it is. Because you pointed it out. Yep. So, yes, you have one of the 12 you saw right there. Wow. Yeah.
    87:35
    Yeah, man, it is 8-Ball Deluxe. It is. Holy shit, it's really 8-Ball Deluxe. It's great with a ramp. Yeah, a ramp where the inline drop targets would have been. Yeah. What the hell? It literally is a carbon copy. Yep. Wow. Yeah, even the 8-ball shot is the same. Damn. The only thing they didn't do, what they should have done, was put a spinner on the left-hand side. Then it would have been perfect. No, there's three rollovers up top, though, not two. Yeah, true. And a magic 8-ball. Magic 8-ball. It's only $5,000. Yeah, would you buy this, Ron? No.
    88:13
    No, I would buy an 8-ball deluxe. Or actually, I would buy an 8-ball champ. Okay, last one, guys. You ready? I'm ready.
    88:25
    Okay, 1-2-3, 2-2-5, 3-4-5, 3-3-5. Wow, just 1, 2s, 3s, 4s, and 5s. Yeah. That is not the right number.
    88:42
    I obviously did not enter the right number. What did you get? Huh. Look at what it can dispense. It says on the front. Napkins or tampons.
    88:59
    Napkins. Tampons. A Modus dispenser. Sanitary napkins. Ten cent school unit. It's from Unlimited Rarities. Only $150. Where would you buy this?
    89:16
    It dispenses napkins and tampons. Come on, Bruce. Of course. Oh, my God. It's got one watcher. Let's see. Vintage. That is me because I watched it.
    89:29
    Napkins and tampons metal box dispenser. Has some scratches. No key but open and door stays shut. Ten cents and nop terms.
    89:39
    Oh, my. So, what you can buy on eBay? not for $150 but it would be interesting just for the novelty people who viewed this item also viewed Star Wars Episode 1 I know I would never look at that on that note I think it might be time to wrap this up I'd like to thank Raymond for joining us again for his annual Northwest Pinball Championships Victory Lap podcast.
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    It was only two. Thank you, Raymond. Thank you, Bruce, for Stomp 2. Bruce was the MVP once again. Why is that the MVP? Because you ran everything. Well, I tried to do it right. Thank you for getting the games ready. Got the games ready. They held up pretty good. I mean, as far as the positive things with Stomp, it wasn't a sweat box this time. No. Probably because we had less people, but we also had, like, turning games off in between rounds if you weren't playing them. AC, a little cooler outside. And the bigger trash receptacle in the bathroom was a good idea. Mm-hmm. Last year had more seating. I think it was less cramped than it was last year. Yep. So there were positives, improvements we made over last year. I would like to get it done earlier so we will continue to work on that but we figured go big or go home with our little stars heads up competition and hopefully I will be putting together a highlights reel of that basically just cutting out all the dead air from that stream and putting it up on YouTube whenever I get time so thanks everybody, thanks to all our fellow podcasts out there in podcast land thanks to Joe Newhart of Pinball Star Amusements who he's the distributor for everything other than Stern and then we have Mike Pupo, Flipper Fidelity for all your pinball sound needs he is also a Stern distributor thanks once again to Raymond we'll see you at your next victory and whatever else you're winning, which will be Vancouver Flipouts after he wins Vancouver Flipout the post celebration victory laps as it may be Thanks Steve Bowden Fun with Bonus We'll keep saying that We miss Steve already He was heading off to his Game of Thrones It was being loaded That he won at Expo I don't know how he hasn't opened that yet Whenever I get a new game I set it up that day Yep, getting all his stuff off to Texas Check out, hopefully the Riptide Pinball Podcast A new episode will be coming out soon Again, check out the Twitch channel twitch.tv slash pinball princess to watch the uh stop finals and um oh hi zach what are you zach anyone else bruce well no i think that's it okay that's it say goodbye bruce goodbye chris point
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    can donate if you try Oh my my It's guaranteed to keep you alive Oh my Oh, my God. And last one. 153-153-569-876. oh oh my goodness why why is it novelty what it's a vintage coin-op novelty condom machine dispenser ted's latex exactly and you look it's got a it's got a cowboy with a big cowboy hat with a rather large hat as in long i like to put a yardstick next to it so you could really measure it you know did you read the comment underneath the guy. The comment underneath the guy. So I gotta look at the picture? Yes, you have to look at the picture. It's freaking hilarious. Alright, let's see the comment. The prophylactic equivalent to the 10-gallon hat.
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    Oh my. Wow. Wow, they actually made these things. This is incredible. I know, there's some cool stuff out there. Oh, did they just dispense a gigantic rubber? Gigantic coming, yeah. Okay. I thought that was funny. And again, on that note...