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Episode - 25 - elvira,dinosaurs, clearcoat oh my!

The Spinner Is Lit Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·2h 16m·analyzed·Sep 22, 2019
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TL;DR

Podcast discusses Elvira & Jurassic Park game launches and clear-coat durability crisis affecting recent pins.

Summary

The Tee'd Off pinball podcast covers multiple industry topics: Golden State Pinball Festival's $26,840 donation to a science museum, upcoming Elvira's House of Horrors game from Jersey Jack Pinball with detailed gameplay features and pricing ($7,899–$9,995), first impressions of Stern's new Jurassic Park game praised for shot design and flow, and significant discussion of widespread clear-coat quality issues affecting both Jersey Jack Pinball and Stern games, with speculation about manufacturing process changes or formula adjustments.

Key Claims

  • Golden State Pinball Festival donated $26,840 to the WOW Museum in Lodi, California

    high confidence · Spencer Klingin and panel verified via Pinside forum post two weeks prior; documented donation

  • Elvira's House of Horrors will feature nearly 30 classic B-horror films with actual film clips

    medium confidence · Spencer and panel discussing game features; specific count approximated as 'almost 20, 30'

  • Stern Pinball is now producing playfields in-house rather than outsourcing

    medium confidence · Spencer states 'I've been told that Stern is doing their own in-house play fields now' — secondhand information, not confirmed by Stern directly

  • Clear-coat formula may have been changed to save money, or due to environmental restrictions

    low confidence · Spencer speculation at episode end: 'My guess is they went with some new clear coat formula to save money'

  • Jersey Jack Pinball sources playfields from Micro Playfields in Europe/Germany

    high confidence · Spencer states directly: 'Jersey Jack Pinball gets all their play fields from Micro Playfields. If you're familiar with Micro, they're a company somewhere out of Europe, Germany.'

  • Both Jersey Jack Pinball and Stern have added washers underneath posts to address pooling issues

    high confidence · Spencer: 'They've put both Jersey Jack Pinball and Stern Pinball have put washers underneath the post'

  • Keith Elwin designed Jurassic Park and Iron Maiden; Jurassic Park is expected to be a home run comparable to Iron Maiden

    high confidence · Alex: 'I think Jurassic Park could be a two-for-two game that Keith Elwin did, just like Iron Maiden. I think he's hit another home run'

  • Jurassic Park has a spinning truck in the upper right quadrant that interferes with first ramp shots

    high confidence · Rusty: 'There's a little truck that spins in the upper right quadrant of the game. And that tends to get in the way when you're trying to do a first ramp'

Notable Quotes

  • “It's basically a Batman 66 boutique game. The boutique version of Bat 66.”

    Panel member (unnamed) @ ~20:30 — Characterizes Elvira's House of Horrors positioning and manufacturing approach compared to Stern boutique titles

  • “I think Jurassic Park could be a two-for-two game that Keith Elwin did, just like Iron Maiden. I think he's hit another home run for sure right off the bat right there.”

    Alex @ ~35:45 — High praise for designer performance; establishes designer reputation and game quality expectations

  • “Fix the fucking play fields. You know? There's no reason they shouldn't be working. They've been working fine for a long time. Why can't you do it now?”

    Panel member (unnamed, appears frustrated) @ ~62:10 — Expresses community frustration with recurring clear-coat quality issues on new games

  • “You've in the past put out a fantastic product. I hope you continue to do so. My only advice would be fix this, fix it quickly, make it right with your customers, and you'll continue to have customers because you're not the only game in town, man.”

    Spencer Klingin @ ~50:15 — Diplomatic but firm pressure on Micro Playfields to address quality issues; implies competitive threat from CPR and other reproduction vendors

  • “I think it's just absolutely a grand slam.”

    Spencer Klingin (regarding Jurassic Park) @ ~45:30 — Strong positive assessment establishing game quality and designer credibility

  • “If you want a new game and you don't want to deal with the soft pure coat, well, yeah, you're a little bit limited. You can't get yourself a remake or a Houdini Master of Mystery or an Oktoberfest or whatever.”

    Panel member @ ~56:00 — Notes limited alternative options for consumers concerned about clear-coat quality on new releases

  • “Every time you get me talking, you run over me.”

    Panel member (frustrated with interruption) @ ~61:30 — Indicates tension and frustration within panel discussion about clear-coat topic

Entities

Spencer KlinginpersonMarianne Rusty KlinginpersonKendrapersonBrianpersonAlexpersonDanpersonCassandra PetersonpersonKeith ElwinpersonGreg Ferrisperson

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Micro Playfields facing quality control and customer service crisis; competing reproduction playfield vendors (CPR) emerging as alternatives; suggests market pressure and potential reputation damage to European supplier

    high · Spencer noted Micro leadership 'trying to run from that issue as fast as he can' and advised company to 'fix this, fix it quickly, make it right with your customers'; CPR mentioned as alternative vendor

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Positive early reception of Jurassic Park design and gameplay despite licensing limitations (no movie clips/dialogue); consensus that game offers strong shot variety, flow, and balance for casual and competitive players

    high · All players who tested game expressed satisfaction; Alex: 'absolutely a grand slam'; Spencer: 'really, really good'; praised as 'two-for-two' for designer Keith Elwin

  • ?

    community_signal: Community members developing workarounds for clear-coat pooling using vinyl repair tools with heat treatment; indicates strong engagement and problem-solving culture among owners

    high · Spencer: 'There's a gentleman who Game of Thrones a vinyl repair tool and is using it to warm it up and flatten it out. It's working.'

  • ?

    product_concern: Manufacturing process change suspected (formula cost-cutting or environmental regulation) as root cause of clear-coat quality regression; suggests possible systemic rather than isolated issue

    low · Spencer speculation: 'My guess is they went with some new clear coat formula to save money... Or it could have been because of environmental restrictions depending on where they're made'

  • ?

Transcript

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0:00
Welcome to the Spinner's Lit Pinball Podcast. I'm your host, Spencer Klingin. And tonight is episode 25.
0:31
And the episode title is, I just forgot, so I have to look at my cheat sheet. House of Horrors. Dinosaurs. Queer Toad. Oh, my. And with us tonight is the round table. To my left is my lovely wife, Marianne Rusty. Hello. And Kendra. Hello. Who's still recovering from gallbladder surgery and who braved the soreness to come out with this tonight. And we have Brian Alex And Dan And we're going to jump right into it But I'm going to adjust the volume Because I'm getting a really high volume output here And I don't want you guys to Get your speaker Blown out, there we go So anyway There you go So let's start off with some Cool pinball news. Golden State Pinball Festival presented the check a couple of weeks back to the WOW, World of Wonders Science and Technology Museum.
1:39
It's a museum and learning center, if you will, in Lodi, California, for $27,000 and change. Somebody want to pull up the exact number for me? I did not do all my homework. How many days until the next? You know what? That's how bad I am. I haven't done my homework. I am such a busy... I know. You know what? It's been a busy hell of a work week. It's been too long since we've done an episode. And honestly, I've been just trying to get one out. And I can pull that up real quick here. $26,840. Okay, $26,840. And where did you find that? Donated to the Wow Museum. On the Pinside thread. I posted it two weeks ago. Oh, yeah, that's right.
2:26
Everybody join the Golden State Pinball Festival Facebook page. There we go. It is the direct source for everything. Everything? Everything. Everything you need to know about the Golden State Pinball Festival. Especially that when Camp Silver Ball comes available. Oh, my, that goes fast. And that's a test. Do not hesitate. Okay, so we're 244 days from the Golden State Pinball Festival of 2020. Woo! There you go. That's coming up in May. So we're going to jump right into more news again. How many days are we from Pinagogo? We are, what, you're on account today, like two weeks?

  • Elvira's House of Horrors Premium/Limited Edition units are already sold out

    medium confidence · Spencer: 'if you want a signature limited edition and you haven't already ordered it. Too late. Too late.' and 'I heard the Limited Edition are pretty much all gone, too.'

  • Chris Hutchins provided detailed explanation of clear-coat issues on Loser Kid Pinball Podcast regarding industrial vs. automotive formulas and cure time

    medium confidence · Spencer references interview but doesn't detail specifics: 'There was a very interesting Loser Kid Pinball Podcast today where they had Chris Hutchins on'

  • “There's a gentleman who Game of Thrones a vinyl repair tool and is using it to warm it up and flatten it out. It's working.”

    Panel member @ ~58:45 — Documents community-developed workarounds for clear-coat pooling issues

    • Lyman Sheets
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    Chris Hutchinsperson
    Adam Presslerperson
    Jersey Jack Pinballcompany
    Stern Pinballcompany
    Micro Playfieldscompany
    CPRcompany
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    Elvira's House of Horrorsgame
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    WOW Museumorganization
    Blind Pigorganization
    Uncle Vito's Pizzaorganization

    design_philosophy: Jersey Jack Pinball's Elvira series marketed as 'boutique game' comparable to Stern's Batman 66 positioning; unlimited production of Premium Edition planned, differentiating from typical Limited Edition scarcity model

    medium · Panel member: 'They'll make it just like with Batman... They'll make an unlimited run of the Premium Edition'; positioning reflects business model distinction from Pure Limited scarcity strategy

  • ?

    event_signal: Multiple major pinball events occurring in Northern California in October 2019 (Pinagogo Oct 11-13, Pinball Expo mid-October); Elvira House of Horrors expected to debut at Pinball Expo

    high · Spencer: 'the hope is that when it... they're going to drop it at Pinball Expo... they're supposed to be shipping in a week or two'; Pinagogo confirmed Oct 11-13 at Dixon Mayfair

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Jurassic Park licensing constraints prevented inclusion of movie dialogue/clips and actor voice calls; game compensated with original sound design and thematic artwork without diminishing gameplay reception

    high · Spencer: 'It's too bad they didn't get a couple of quotes in there from the movie... they couldn't get it'; panel consensus that absence did not detract from game quality

  • $

    market_signal: Elvira's House of Horrors Limited/Signature editions sold out before Pinball Expo debut; indicates strong collector demand and possible FOMO-driven purchasing despite boutique manufacturer status

    high · Spencer confirmed: 'if you want a signature limited edition and you haven't already ordered it. Too late... Limited Edition are pretty much all gone, too.'

  • ?

    announcement: Jersey Jack Pinball officially announced Elvira's House of Horrors with detailed playfield features, gameplay mechanics, pricing tiers ($7,899–$9,995), and team credits; Limited Editions reported sold out prior to Pinball Expo debut

    high · Spencer and panel detailed gameplay features, pricing, production team (Lyman Sheets code, Greg Ferris art), and Cassandra Peterson involvement; multiple gameplay videos released publicly

  • ?

    product_concern: Widespread clear-coat defects on both Jersey Jack Pinball (Pirates of the Caribbean, Willy Wonka) and Stern Pinball (Iron Maiden, Deadpool, Jurassic Park) games; issues include chipping, cracking, and pooling around posts within weeks of purchase

    high · Spencer documented issues from Pinside forum, Facebook pinball groups, and direct owner reports; multiple owners confirmed witnessing defects; both manufacturers acknowledged and added washer solutions

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Community frustration over recurring clear-coat issues despite decades of successful playfield manufacturing, suggesting expectation breach and trust erosion with manufacturers

    high · Panel expressed genuine anger; unnamed panelist: 'Fix the fucking play fields... There's no reason they shouldn't be working. They've been working fine for a long time. Why can't you do it now?'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Stern Pinball reportedly transitioning from outsourced to in-house playfield manufacturing, potentially addressing clear-coat quality issues but at cost of slower production and higher cost

    medium · Spencer: 'I've been told that Stern is doing their own in-house play fields now' — secondhand source, not independently confirmed by Stern

    • 3:09
    Actually, it's October 11th, 12th, and 13th. That's the three weeks. Yeah, the original Pinagogo is still running. Just changed the time of year and the dates. It's October 11th, 12th, and 13th Coming up next month And that of course is in Dixon, California Dixon Mayfair Hey everybody We are big Golden State fans here But Pinagogo is still a great show And we would love to see everybody in Northern California Turn down and support it There are no hatchets All the boxes have been buried Everyone is cool with each other And they're not buried in anybody's back I wanted to point out too There's a similar kind of deal going on. I believe you have to contact the vendors. But Chris Coons, winner of the coveted Steve Sharma Spirit Award of 2019, will be there. And so if you want to order a Stern or a Jersey Jack game, have it delivered to the show, and probably get a little bit better pricing, reach out to the pinball pirate Chris Coons. And if you're looking for a Houdini, there's still some new in box, or a Octoberfest, you can reach out to Don Hiley. Is it Don's Custom Service? Yeah, I think that's what it is. Don's Custom Service. Yeah, me too. Also, the dinner this year. Go to Pentagogo, the website. I think it's pentagogo.org? I don't know. I looked at it earlier today. Type in Pentagogo. and the dinner is Friday night and that's still at the same place no not cattleman's Bud's, good food, good atmosphere good friendship there and they've got the Bud's, they've got the menu and it's a really good varied menu you have a couple, three choices of food on the menu, it's $35 and if you buy dinner you get one of those coveted Pinnagogo Black Knight Challenge coins so So the cool thing about Pinagogo and the cool thing about how they've restructured Pinagogo is it's gone back more so to its roots. There's no tournament now, and that's okay. It's back to one building, but it's got that small atmosphere of its humble beginnings. There's plenty of games to play. You're going to run into a lot of old friends, make some new ones. You know, the vendors are going to be there. The people are bringing pinball. I believe Cliffy will be there. I don't have that documented for a fact, but I believe you probably will.
    5:46
    And, you know, so you pick up parts, hang with the bros and sisters, play some pinball, and, you know, go to the longest running show west of the Mississippi. So, Pinagogo. That's October 11th, 12th, and 13th at the Dixon Mayfair in Dixon, California. So check that out, fellow pinheads. And you know the same month Pinball Expo is coming up I didn't even do a write-up on it this time I've had so much going on But you guys know what it is You know Pinball Expo So just type in Pinball Expo Google it, you know what it is Coming up in October Okay, next up is the new Elvira game Elvira's House of Horrors Yes There's two Well, there was a teaser video that didn't show any bit of the game. That was, you know. Three. But, yeah, there was that original video. There's a teaser video. There's two different gameplay videos. One highlights some of the features. Check those out if you haven't seen it yet. It's got a full three-dimensional toy haunted house or haunted mansion on it. It's got, you know, of course, two ramps. It's got a coffin that opens up. or is it coffin or it's like a box? Like a crate. It opens up on the left ramp return. It flaps up. It catches balls, and then it puts them into a lock for a multi-ball. The house at the main entryway has another ramp. You can shoot up in the house, and the top of the house is a turret. It spins, and it diverts the ball different areas. You've got a backdoor skill shot that goes behind the mansion. That center ramp. Oh, it does. Yeah. It's a la Funhouse, if you know behind Rudy's head, that secret skill shot. Oh, God. You guys are terrible. I love you guys. So it's got a drop target that goes into the garage. For garage multi-ball. Yeah, for garage multi-ball. The center ramp of the house. The center ramp lifts up, and you shoot it under there. To the right of the house, it's got a crypt, the Deadhead family, And that does all kinds of cool stuff And it also shoots out It's got an actual subway Haven't seen that on a game in who knows how long And it's going to shoot out The right and go over to the left Targets that you hit And also it's going to have what 20 something like almost Close to 30 different classic B-horror films It's going to have actual film clips It's just really cool looking man A lot of people say it resembles Medial Matters because of the mansion. Yeah, they're awesome. And they're right. But, I mean, you know what, man? It looks freaking cool. I can't wait to play it. It's going to have... It's going to have medieval madness. It's going to have great Elvira humor. It's going to... It has clips from Santa Claus Conquers the Martians, one of my all-time favorite bad B-movies, okay? The Titanic Rides of Dracula. Right? I mean, Manos, the hands of Faye. Manos, James. You know, yeah. I mean, it's going to have all this cool stuff. It's going to be real cool. Now, there's no pro version. So, you know, it's that premium LE limited edition. And not super LE this time, but a signature LE.
    9:04
    Honestly, folks, if you don't care about all that, you know, window dressing, because none of it's on the play field. Every play field is going to be the same, all going to have the same play field features. If that doesn't matter to you and you got the coin, pick up a premium, man. But, you know what, get out and play one.
    9:23
    I'm real excited. I think everybody here is real excited. None of us have played it yet. I do think that that chest off to the side, it's kind of all of Jersey Jack's Pirates of the Caribbean almost. Well, they had something similar on Scared of Stiff, but it didn't collect balls. And you're right, that is a homage. Yeah, it's a homage. It opened up during the multi-ball. It was a coffin. There was a little monster in there. Right. The first thing I thought when I saw it, of course, was... On Skid Step? No, you put balls in the crate on Skid Step. No, not the crate. The little coffin to the side of the locker turnaround. Oh, yeah. Now during the multi-ball. Yeah. The skid in the coffin. Right. That's me. Wow. Right.
    10:09
    That's, yeah. So, and I'd like to do a shout-out to Cassandra Peterson, Elvira herself, for just four days past her 68th birthday. And hubba, hubba, hubba. She still looks great. Happy birthday, Ms. Cassandra Peterson. This is from work.
    10:27
    Salute. Oh, and just so you know, we have prices starting at $7,899 all the way up to $9,599, depending on which edition you get. No, that's $9,995 is the LE. Right. The Super LE is 15 grand. Oh. But you get a piece of Elvira's couch with that. Well, I heard if you want a signature LE and you haven't already ordered it. Too late. They're gone.
    11:00
    I heard the LEs are pretty much all gone, too. So you get a premium. You're going to have a fun game. You're going to have a blast. Well, whether you spend $8,000 or $10,000, it looks like a really fun game. And we're all very excited to play it. Yeah, the hope is that when it, you know, I guess they're going to drop it at Expo. because that's where people are going to get to see it for the first time. Yeah. And the hope is that, yeah, it'll be a little more. Well, they're supposed to be shipping in a week or two, so you may see it at least somewhere at somebody's house before that. I suppose. Well, I suppose, what, three weeks away, four weeks, four weeks away? 15 to the 17th. 15, 16, 17, 18, so it's four days, yeah. So it's four weeks, a month away-ish, so it's about a month away. Yeah, and of course it's got the same team on it That's been on the other two Elvira games Dennis Norman on lead design And Greg Ferreris on art And I heard a great interview with him He did help on some of the design features And of course did all the art for it And then of course the Incomparable Lyman Sheets on code You know it's gonna be good Come on people Eventually Eventually. Oh, yeah! Live is code's amazing, but it does take some time, so anybody else got anything to add about the first impressions of the Elvira game? I think it's going to be a pretty big hit. It's basically a Batman 66 boutique game. The boutique version of Bat 66. Right. Batman 66 is a boutique game.
    12:42
    It's in that same vein. They'll make it just like with Batman They'll make an unlimited run of the premiums I don't know if they still operate as this But it used to be that Ferrez and Norton Monroe, Whizbang Pinball And you know the Capow is the company that does Like Batman 66 Right they do slot machines and like that It's kind of like Stern now It's kind of like Stern's You know Remember Dan Norton did that layout like two years ago Right Yeah, so it's just been kind of sitting on the back burner until it's been ready to go. So if nobody else has anything on that, because, you know, none of us have played it yet, but it's news, and we're all excited about it. Let's jump right into a game that almost everyone here has played. Kendra's been recuperating and resting from her surgery. She trips back to the emergency room. There you go, right. But the new Elvira game, we just talked about that. The new Jurassic Park, the new Stern Jurassic Park game. So I think everybody in our group tonight has played it at least once. Alex was playing it earlier today, right? I was playing it last night. Thursday night. Rusty and I have played the pro. All of us have played the pro here except for Kendra. And don't feel bad, sweetie. We'll take you out to play what you feel better.
    14:02
    First impressions. I'm going to go backwards and start and let Dan start with first impressions. Well, God, now none of us are going to talk. I know.
    14:12
    Oh, my God. It's a pinball machine. Dan's had a rough day. He got his butt handed to him at Folsom Week Finals, and him and I have been playing musical chairs and money laundering for different friends for pinball machines for the last week.
    14:36
    God, what are they going to want then? What are we going to let next? Elvira. Elvira, right? I slept out here. Yeah. You know, if the 10 administrations of Spencer really make this podcast, let's do it. You just got humiliated in front of all your friends, Dan. What are you going to do now? Thanks.
    14:57
    You know, it's actually really good. She's really, really nice. The rules are obviously super, super early, so they're coming along. The lack of clips and whatnot doesn't hurt it. I mean, Brian and I went out and played it, had a really good time. The one we played was still really early code. Like, it didn't have the match sequence or anything like that. I'm sure that Alex has a little bit more up-to-date impressions. But I had fun. It's definitely a game that I can't wait for a little bit more time on it, maybe if I find one at an arcade that I spend a lot of time at or if we get one in a local home. There you go. Yeah, the arcade you spend the most time at is your garage, dude. Well, I'm not getting one in my garage, but, you know, I travel. You're excited, right? I travel and play games. You get a call at like 11 at night. Fucker, come and help me. I just bought a Jurassic Park. Exactly. I need some help unboxing. What did you think of it, Alex? Well, gee, Dan. Nice to meet you. That was, I loved Jurassic Park. I think Jurassic Park could be a two-for-two game that Keith Elwin did, just like Iron Maiden. I think he's hit another home run for sure right off the bat right there. I love the shots on the game. Brian was mentioning that there was this cool similar shot that's like Earthshaker with the upper flipper that's to the right corner of the ramp where the ball goes. That shot's pretty cool. There's a bunch of T-Rex modes in the game. there's just so much cool stuff in this game and I'm looking forward to playing a premium LE too I've only played a pro the code was still early both the places I played it at but I feel like you know when they update it and everything it'll be a good playing game you know what's super dope that shot he's talking about the sugar shot that helix that it comes off of that is so cool yes the spinning it was really nice to see that shot that hasn't been used since System 11 made its way back. It's a mirror shot, but it's still the same shot. Thank you, Pete Allen. And it's fun. Absolutely. Like Dan said, we went to go play it at Blind Pig, and it's a fun game. I played it five and a half hours. It's at the Blind Pig. It's a fun game. The art's great. It's too bad they didn't get a couple of quotes in there from the movie. Every blind game is on one quarter. Yeah. I would just love it I like the quote like that. Three games in. They bring a ball save and it would say like Jeff Goldman like ah my life finds a way to kick the ball back out. Right. Or you know I know they have the quote but it's not Samuel L. Jackson saying you know hold on to your butt. Too bad they couldn't get it but it's still a fun game that doesn't detract from it any way whatsoever. It's fun. Yeah. Like Alex I'm looking forward to playing a premium slash LE because I've seen the videos of the Raptor Pit and that just looks really cool with T-Rex and it's a good game. It's fun. I don't have anything bad to say about it. Who watched any video, Kendra? Just when it first came out.
    18:06
    Not much. I really don't have anything to say. Rusty, you and I went and played it at Uncle Vito's Pizza Barler. Yeah, usually my awesome super skill of being able to do really well in a game I've never played before failed me horribly on this game. I couldn't, those shots are relatively tight. Well, that number really got in. But they're relatively tight. There is lots to do. There's lots to shoot at. And the play field itself, very busy. Lots of colors, lots of stuff, lots of lights, lots to look at. So mainly all you kind of want to do is focus in on as many ramps as you possibly can. the left side of the machine is a little bit harder to access. Everything kind of wants to go right way.
    19:01
    And there's a little truck that spins in the upper right quadrant of the game. And that tends to get in the way when you're trying to do first half and you're whacking that stupid truck and it's spinning around. Like Brian was saying, it's relatively, you know, comparing to the Data East, it's relatively generic Jurassic Park. There's nothing that makes it stand out incredibly as being, you know, special or it looks like it's trying to blend all the Jurassic stories together, which is hard to do because we have a lot of time to cover and the original Jurassic Park being a big fan favorite.
    19:51
    So you have, what was his name, Nedry? Yeah. So he's very prominent in the thing. But for the most part, it's a good game. It looks like it's a game for the player like me who's not overly good. You need a lot of one-on-one quality time with it. Oh, and its starting base price is $5,999. For the pro model. And it goes up from there for the premium slash LE. Ah, the more you get, the more it costs. Yeah, we've all only played the pro model so far. There's two on location, one in Sacramento area, one at the Blind Pig, and one at Uncle Vito's Pizza. HimOnMap.com, folks, dot com. HimOnMap. Look in your neighborhood. Look in your town. See if there's one on location near you. See if there's one on location in your neighbor's garage. There you go. Find your local bar. There you go. Or a pizza joint.
    20:53
    My take on it. Keep that one second, game. Like others have stated already, absolutely knocked it out of the park.
    21:04
    I'm a huge Iron Maiden fan. So Iron Maiden, theme-wise, resonates with me really well. and I love the game, I love the shots, I love everything about that game. I think it's just absolutely a grand slam. With that said, I don't have any, you know, axe to grind with Jurassic Park. I enjoy the movies and all, but I'm not like a huge mega fan. You know, I don't hate it either. I think Jurassic Park is a step up as far as layout and shot matrix and the smoothness. So far I've found it to be a great Balance game as far as Really, you know, pretty easy shots Some shots are a little tougher But even the tough shots, nothing's, you know, impossible You know, it's got A good balance of ease And more difficult shots One of the things that impressed me most Is it's very, very, very fast But Controllable To a point, you know, it's a pinball machine But I found it to be fairly easy to regain control, but you've got to really, because when you launch the ball, it comes right back to the right flipper, which, you know, it feeds directly to the right flipper at ball launch, and then you have a skill shot at the left ramp, which turns into a skill, because when you hit the left ramp, it feeds back to the left flipper, which, in turn, you can shoot the right ramp and get a super skill shot. So you get a skill shot, super shot, skill shot combo. Now, the right ramp feeds back to the upper right flipper, where if you time it right, you can bank it over and hit the little inverted ramp, which feeds back to the left flipper. Each side of the play field on the ramp returns has a little side ramp shot, and it's an inverted ramp where it does a little 180 up onto the hal to trail back to the flippers. I was able to get the skill shot, super skill shot A couple times, after that I was never able to Hit that third shot off there for the Three way combo, super duper skill shot Or whatever, I was able to make the shot Other times Fantastic flow, lots to do Fun shots I think man, if you got a shaker motor in that game That's a game that needs a shaker motor You know, the artwork's Good, yeah, it doesn't have clips from the movie They've done a nice job Without having the assets from the movies as far as film clips and call-outs. I think overall it's going to have long legs, do very well. And as the code gets updated, I think it's going to be a great game for the novice player who walks into a pizza place or whatever and says, oh, cool, Jurassic Park, I'll play this, and they'll have fun. And then for the more seasoned player at home and the competitive player too, I think it's going to do well in all those aspects. Just overall, man, first impressions of that game, it is really, really good. solid everything.
    24:04
    You know, check it out as fast as you can. Put a few bucks into one, and if you got the coin, man, you could do a lot worse. I would definitely say that's one to have at home. That's my first impressions. Everybody else's first impressions of Jurassic Park.
    24:20
    We're going to go into a bit of a drama. Some of you that may not follow... You know, right? May not follow Pinside or... Jurassic Park. Right, right. Yeah, and Pirates and Waka.
    24:34
    Deadpool. If you don't follow Pinside or Facebook pinball groups or Wreck Games pinball RGB, you probably may not know about it. And trust me, if you're not following these, you probably have a more fulfilling life.
    24:55
    But there's been a lot of drama, a lot of talk in the last few weeks about clear-coating issues. And clear-coat is what seals the play field, makes it more durable, protects the artwork and the inserts and everything else. So, as far as I know, the current process is a two-step process where they mix a clear-coat with a hardening agent. And so, you have to mix these one-to-one ratio. Well, some of the clear coats have been coming out too hard and they chip, they crack very early, like within weeks of owning a new game. And a bunch of others have been too soft and they're having pooling around posts, where the posts are sinking into the clear coat and pooling up, especially around the slingshots. This has been the case with some Jersey Jack games. Pirates of the Caribbean this first started, and now it's going on with Willy Wonka's. Stearns had the same issue with Iron Manes, a few Deadpools, a few of the Jurassic Parks. They've put both Jersey Jack Pinball and Stearn Pinball have put washers underneath the post. They kind of evenly distributed the weight. They both say they're working on it. I don't know who – I've been told that Stearns is doing their own in-house play fields now.
    26:20
    Jersey Jack gets all their play fields from Mirko. If you're familiar with Miracle, they're a company somewhere out of Europe, Germany. And then for several years, they made reproduction play fields to put into games or replace a worn and bad play field. And I've got a few friends that have gotten their reproduction play fields for different games. Our good friend Adam Pressler got a fun house one a couple years ago and put that in his fun house, and it's beautiful. And it's holding up perfect on league nights and league finals and tournaments. It's beautiful. I've seen other people put their play fields in games, and they're beautiful, and they look great, and they hold up. But apparently they're having some issues. And I don't know the full story, so I'm not going to go deep into the details of it. But the guy at Miracle has just been kind of, from what I understand, just kind of trying to run from that issue as fast as he can. And I'll just say this, man. You've in the past put out a fantastic product. I hope you continue to do so. My only advice would be fix this, fix it quickly, make it right with your customers, and you'll continue to have customers because you're not the only game in town, man. There's a couple, three other folks, one of them being CPR. They're doing reproduction play fields. And Jack, I know Jersey Jack quite a bit. We spent some time together. He's a good dude. And I know he's going to make it right. I know the guys at Sterner are going to make it right. They're all good professional people that care about their customers. But it's been a source of discontent. Yeah, amongst the ranks of pinball owners because we spend a lot of money on these games and a lot of money and time to keep them nice. So anybody else got thoughts on Quirk Coat? You know, it's on my maiden. It's not bad. You know, I look at it, it's in a couple of posts, and it's like, well, I have it. Oh, well. You know, I'm in the boat, same boat with a bunch of other people. The game plays. I don't have, it's not bad. It's great. I can play it. Yeah. And it's not chipping off, and I'm not effing with it, trying to, I'm not toying with it. Right. So whenever I shop it out, then I'll worry about it. Right now, I'm just going to play it.
    28:33
    But I've seen games that do have it, like the Jurassic Park did. Flying Pig had it. In some spots, it was pretty bad. Yeah. Mine's pretty good. Jeff's Pirates has it. It doesn't look awful to me, but I get the idea of being very upset that you dropped, you know, $5,000 on this game and it's having these goopy issues. Right. But I'm not going to really lose sleep over it.
    28:57
    See, I think that's a great attitude to have. Play the game half-done with it in five years, you'll drop a new playfield into it. Yeah, I won't even do, you know, there's already people who have come up with some really interesting fixes. There's a gentleman who got a vinyl repair tool and is using it to warm it up and flatten it out. I saw that. It's working. So, like, there's people out there who have figured out ways to fix it, you know. And, of course, since it is a chemical thing, it's never going to fully harden. Right. You know, that's just the nature of the beast. No Iron Maiden joke there. But it is what it is. If you want a new game and you don't want to deal with the soft pure coat, well, yeah, you're a little bit limited. You can't get yourself a remake or a Houdini or an Oktoberfest or whatever. But it is what it is. Yeah, the other companies don't seem to be having that issue. They're not using Miracle for their play fields. Right, but Niner is Stern, apparently.
    29:52
    You know, I think you look at it like this. You know, Brian is the only person who I know. Actually, I guess I do know a lot of the people who have newer games, but I haven't looked at them. But do I have, like, the first hand, under-the-glass experience with this game to sort of say, hey, this problem will affect me because I own more older games. And, you know, he's a second owner, unfortunately. But if he bought that game new from the factory, I would be like, hey, man, we need to be jumping on Stern's desk and finding out what they're going to do to make this right, and it better be something good.
    30:23
    You know, I've been, you know, flirting with new in-box for a few years, and it's one of those things where, you know, when I finally spring for the new in-box game and I spend $7,500, $8,000, But, you know, I don't expect perfection. I don't. I know that I might get that game out of the package and the flippers might not work. The drop target might be, you know, wiggy. Everything's going to need adjustment. I understand it's pinball. But we've been doing play fields right for a long time. Right. You know, we've had play fields that work too well almost for a long time. Dude, look at my surf champ, and that thing's 40 years old. Why are we in a situation now? 24 years old.
    31:09
    Are you done yet? Go ahead. Why are we in a situation now? If you didn't want today, I wouldn't be fucking with you.
    31:17
    I think you just need to go back. Of course. Then why don't you let me talk? Every time you get me talking, you run over me. I know. I'm sorry. This is pissing me off. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
    31:30
    Okay. Go ahead. I'm serious. I know. Go ahead. It's bullshit. Fix the fucking play fields. You know? There's no reason they shouldn't be working. They've been working fine for a long time. Why can't you do it now? If it's Mirko, which it might not be, fine. There was a very interesting Loser Kid podcast today where they had Chris Hutchins on, And he had a lot of interesting things to say about industrial clear coats, doing them in quantity versus the automotive clear coats that he uses for one-offs, cure time versus hardening time. You know, there's a lot more to it than I think a lot of us give it credit for. But, you know, the play fields are one thing that, for most of Stern's existence, haven't been a problem. You know, Jurassic Park, not Jurassic Park, Lord of the Ring play fields, yeah, they have some registration issues. You know, that was because they screen printed them. They still hold up. Citizen's Pinball Party play fields are holding up. Austin Powers play fields are holding up. Spider-Man play fields are holding up. You know, why now are we seeing chipping and breaking on the new generation of games? Obviously, something in the last two years has changed significantly. You know, figure out what that is. And if Stern brings them in-house, you know, maybe that solves the problem. at the cost of slower production, higher cost.
    33:04
    More about a flat field, please. My guess is they went with some new clear coat formula to save money. That's what I was thinking. Or it could have been because of environmental restrictions depending on where they're made. It could be that too. But we got people here now who clear coat their own plate fields and have this issue. granted yeah it's one on one you're not doing one you're not doing 20,000 or whatever but I would almost guarantee that they change something in the formula to save money God knows how much or how little for playfield and they just gotta come up with a either go back to a different formula or come up with something that's not going to have this issue because Dan's right you can go look at these old diamond playfields even the prototype diamond playfields like the X7 or whatever it was called, like in the bonds I run, it felt great. Right. I'm like, you guys have all seen my whirlwind, and that's a 200-run diamond-plated play field, and it looks amazing. You look at like all your guys games or mine Okay the Black Rose I mean and that thing you know that thing is notorious for having wear around the camera and it has no wear. Yeah. They need to figure out, they need to come up with a viable, okay, we fucked up on this formula, we're going back to the old one. Okay, we're going to lose 20 cents a game or whatever. Well, I understand why nobody's finding out who did all the diamond plate play-fills and have them make the damn play-fills, Or at least, hey, if you're not making them and we're not in business, can we buy your recipe from you? Well, they do address that. Chris Hutchins addresses that. And, you know, there are environmental concerns. You know, we can't use the same kinds of solvents that we were using in the 90s. We can't use the same kind of materials.
    34:51
    My first impression was that they were going with softer clear coat to speed production because that way they don't have to be quite as careful. You know, they can slap the game together. It's going to cure while it's en route. that should be hard enough by the time that it hits the end user.
    35:08
    Does anyone else here watch 8-Bit Pit? Yeah. Yeah, Drew. Drew's been a guest on the show. So we watched Drewster make an unfortunate mistake when he was assembling his atoms, and he pounded on the play field, he was putting, like, a T-nut or something in, and he cracked his clear coat.
    35:26
    That sucks, right? Like, that is a heartbreaker. well imagine you're a company like Stern and you've got a factory full of semi-skilled workers assembling 500 of these plate fields a week like how do you say hey we're going to make it easier for these guys to whack these things together and have less plate fields that was just you know and I was like oh man maybe they were trying to do something because I don't think that it's going to save them money you know, I mean, that's a possibility, but I mean, clear coat, clear coat's clear coat, right? You're going to load it in the gun. You're going to spray it. What Chris said that was really interesting was, like, you know, he can use a clear coat that hardens in 20 minutes, but if you're doing industrial level, let's say you're doing 100 play fields, you don't have that luxury because you have to spray all those play fields basically in one shot, or you have to keep reloading your guns, all of which are just going to up the time. Mirko has spoken at length about the fact that he has a fairly automated process.
    36:36
    And maybe when he's doing Jersey Jack play fields on, you know, a scale where he's doing hundreds at a time, he uses a different formula than when he's doing his repros. Right. So he's going to do, what, 200 repros? He's going to do 2,000 for Jersey Jack? Well, I don't know if Jax is ordering 2,000 playfields at a time. But, you know, it's going to be a lot more than, say, if he's doing a bonsai run playfield. Right. But it's all speculation because we don't know what size batches. First of all, we don't know if it's Mirko, but it's probably Mirko. But we don't know what size batches he's doing. We don't know what kind of material. Well, that's what I've been told that Jersey Jax can't use playfields. That's right. But, I mean, we don't know for sure if that's even the problem. Right. You know, I hope – I like Mirko's – I mean – I really want a lot of Mirko shit. Right. And so now I'm sort of like, yeah, I want to spend a thousand dollars on play fields for my blog. And I didn't have them. Right. I do. But I'm in the same boat. Like you said, it throws doubt on his product. Right. And he's a guy who, you know, has, has been slaying in some product. You know, he's put out a lot of very desirable play fields. Creature from the Black Lagoon and Black Knight 2000 and Funhouse. and all sorts of games that all of us love. Right. None of us are going like, you know what? I really don't like, you know, having great parts available for my 30, 40-year-old game. And all the play fields I've seen of his that people have put in their games, reproduction play fields, have been beautiful. And it's held up well. Everything I've seen from him is nuts. Yeah. I've heard horror stories, but, of course, that's because I read about pinball on the internet. So someone's always got something bad. Well, that'll learn you a lot. The shit that I've seen has been desirable. Agreed. And that fun house is a great example. Yeah. Who made the skateballs? I think that was Mirko also. Mirko, yeah. Those were just gorgeous. Just gorgeous. Yeah. Both Adam and Wolf. Didn't Michael just sell his skateball like two days ago? He sold it. Yeah. Poor Rick.
    38:42
    And then Adam's is getting, Chris Bannister's doing the cabin right now. It's at the new Mirko play field. that thing is going to be what's the name of this? Skateball. Adam's Skateball. Yeah. So the Maroon Cup play fields we've all seen have been beautiful and perfect and held up because I mean, my God, we've been playing that fun house that's been to the shows, it's been in all our leagues, it's been in tournaments, it's been in league finals. We've played the hell out of that thing and it's been in there for what, a year and a half, two years? But it was hand assembled by an enthusiast. Right. You know, with love. Yeah, very specific, environment. It wasn't slapped together in a factory and maybe posts were torqued down too tight or maybe it didn't have enough time to get past the hardening and the curing process. There's a lot of variables. And you know what? Adam sat on that playfield for probably a year and a half or more before he even put it in the game. Right. And that's one of the interesting points that Chris makes too in that interview is there's a difference between hardening and curing. like the plate fuels will harden in minutes or days but curing can take weeks or months or years depending on what they use and he says the truth is you know it might never fully be cured because there can always be a chemical reaction going with the solvents and what they use and the release of moisture and outgassing and stuff plate fuel when you bought a plate and I had one and I went and sold it but, you know, they were trying to open it up, get out of all that stuff and let it sit in the open air for 45 days. I remember recalling something about that. Well, that's what Adam's been doing with the spirit plate for his spirit. He's going to be putting that in another month or two but it's set for, what, five months in his house and really opened up. You know, it's just like if you lay down concrete like a patio, you know, you're going to keep that thing, you're going to do what you can to make it cure properly. You know, concrete, you're going to wet it every day. It helps slow down the curing process. And a playfield, you have to have open air. Let it outcast. Let it do its thing and don't rush it. Now, granted, when you're building a game to sell in a giant factory. Thank you.
    41:08
    There's going to be some rush on there. Jersey Jack, I'm like, okay, we've got these playfields done. Now we've got to wait for 45 days before you start working on them. No. That's not how it works. Right. It's different. Right. We got people waving money and they want their game yesterday. Yeah, they wanted the game two months before we even announced it. And that's what you have to deal with. We'll see what happens. When I get the worst comes to worst, I'll buy a vinyl repair tool and half-ass my way through and see what happens.
    41:35
    They still play. Play them. Yeah. I looked at it. Dan pointed it out. He's like, you got it. Okay. But Dan brought up, you brought up such a great point, too, is, you know, you look at games that are, you know, 20, 25, 30, 35 years old, and they're not having these problems. And was it different materials? Was it, you know, because less environmental restrictions? We don't know. We're all speculating. But not even going back that far. I said, look at games from 2010. Right. No, you're making Tron. Tron had playfield problems. No. You know, the ACDC had playfield problems. Right. Metallica, no. Did Metallica have playfield problems? Walking Dead. Yeah. Star Trek. What changed in the last couple years? I mean, we can really narrow it down. I mean, I'm sure that Stern, well, but, you know, you're going back. Like, you know, the funny thing is the problem showed up now. Right. And then you notice, oh, shit, the problem was here. A couple years ago. Look at this. Right. You know, I didn't notice this and we didn't know. I think that, like, you know, I'm sure Stern, I mean, let's be honest, I'm sure Stern is doing their due diligence. I'm sure that they've dove in. I'm sure that they are figuring out what's going on. There's already revisions of JP.
    42:50
    You know, there's already new JP playfields that have circles around all the inserts, where there's no, around all the parts, where there's no more art. Right. Because maybe it was a problem, you know. What's a big thing that they started doing in the last couple years? Digital printing. Right. It went away from screening, and there's been some speculation that maybe the art's not adhering. Like, the clear coat's adhering like it always did. But the art isn't. But the art isn't, and that's what's causing the bunching, and that's what's causing the cracking. So, you know, they're trying this. You know, Stern's already moved for us. They're already trying a solution. You heard the in-house thing. I hadn't heard the in-house thing. Maybe it's true. I think the downside of the in-house thing is if Stern has to manufacture and produce and clear coat their own light fields, it's going to slow production. Right. Which is probably good for Stern from the standpoint that they'll have a million rabid pinheads like, ah, I need machines. It'll be great for us on the secondary market because we'll have teams that we can sell for more. But it will suck for the new unboxed buyer because all of a sudden you'll be waiting for six months. Look at the guys who are still waiting for Monster Bash Limited editions. They're still waiting, aren't they? They're still waiting. Well, some are. Some have gotten them. And the explanation that Chicago Gaming gave was, look, we're holding the limiteds to the highest possible standards.
    44:18
    Playfields that are fine for classics and are fine for whatever the middle edition is, we are not going to put in the limited edition. Some people were like, oh, does that mean that we're getting a lesser product? Well, let me answer is, oh, yeah, but you pay less. $6,000 for a brand new in the box Monster Badge? Right. How can you argue? You know, Chicago Gaming isn't having this issue. Right. And they've been making play field. Neither is American. Neither is American Pinball. Right. So it's one of those things where either... Or Jersey Jack. Jersey, yeah. I think really it's just a powwow thing. Get together. Okay, this is what we're doing. This is what works for us. We need to try that. Or, hey, would you be interested in doing this work for us and we'll give you X amount of money.
    45:08
    You know, if they can do it right, then the information, you know, get together and share it. It'd be for the good of everybody. Everyone's going to be happy.
    45:17
    So why not do it? I almost wonder if part of it is, you know, like you've been saying, the mass production, the rush to get it out. They're just not, you know, giving us that higher quality testing.
    45:29
    You know. well it's the kind of problem that doesn't show you throw the thing together and it looks fine and you put it in a box and it looks fine and it hits to the user and it looks fine and then about a week later you really start looking at it and you're like oh shit there's a problem and Chris like just savaged whoever was making the playfields because he said look this is something that should have been caught it's like putting a fail on a sandwich and putting it in a Ziploc bag to take to work. Right. If they had done the right testing, they would know about this. And if you've ever seen a Chris Hutchins game, which Dan and I got the privilege of playing one just a few weeks ago,
    46:15
    a ball deluxe, I can't use words to describe it. You have to see his work in person. It is truly magnificent. That play field is... the cabinet, the back of that back box was like, I'm pulling my head around, look at it, and go, damn, you've got to see this. It's like a black mirror. It was insanity.
    46:39
    When I restore another 8-ball for lunch, I make a really nice and healthy John Belushi drink. Oh, hello.
    46:47
    Getting salty in here. Oh, boy, that's good. I really have one here. There you go. Time to have another. But you did have Starbucks. There you go. Okay, so are we wrapping up on the clerk show. Thank you for the insight. That was actually really good because I haven't listened to any of that yet. I was busy working. You did your homework. Dan did his homework. I suck. He's awesome.
    47:13
    Which is funny since you told us all to do our homework. I know. A lot of this stuff kind of came up. I was talking with Dan. I was talking with Brian. Hey, add this in. I'm like, no shit. Jerk. No, sure. Alright, so... Okay.
    47:30
    Well, we already did Pinnagogo, so we're skipping over that because we already did it. Trip reports. We kind of already did our trip reports, too. Alex, you got anything to add?
    47:41
    Just go play Jurassic Park at Uncle Vito's in Blind Pig. Pretty much. Have you talked about the new flipper room yet?
    47:50
    The new flipper room? I've been. I have been, yes. It is amazing. I haven't been since they reopened it. We went a couple weeks ago. We went down to move some games around, and we got to go to the new Flipper Room. I don't go on trip reports too often.
    48:07
    And if you live in that, you come to the base constantly. You are a baseball. You were there last weekend for a tournament.
    48:16
    You're a normal liar and a bad person. You should feel better. Yeah. If you haven't been out to the new Flipper Room, it's in concert, right? Yeah.
    48:27
    It's so good. Also check out Epidemic Ales. They operate some games there. Yeah, I think they're in an ACVC. Mike Moretti has really done it again. This place is even better than his original place. Oh, wow. So many games, every era. You can get two for a quarter. You can play, you know, cool games like their Stern Dracula, which is a game of the month, which Alex absolutely destroyed me at, but, man, it's fair because he was paying.
    48:57
    And we got to play Wonka. They had a Wonka there. They have, you know, classics. They have the new stuff. They have art, you know, that you can buy. Beautiful art. You know, they have the best. I think that, honestly, it is the, you know, controversial statement. I think it's the best location in Northern California.
    49:18
    Phoenix Games is out that way, too. also fantastic. It's in the back of a video game store, which amuses me to no end. And they have a dozen or so machines that are just beautiful. But if I had to tell you to go one place to play pinball, go to the Flipper Room. What's their website? FlipperRoom.com? Go to that Facebook page. The Flipper Room. Don't go to FreeGoldWatch.com or something like that. I've never been to FreeGoldWatch. It is good. I want to go, but... I think the flip-a-room is going to be the new pre-gold watch. I don't know. Controversial statement. Well, parking's easier at the flip-a-room than it is a pre-gold watch room, I understand. No, a pre-gold watch, you park in Oakland.
    50:05
    Take the bar over. And hope your car is in one piece. There you go. Yeah, that's Sacramento anymore, guys. Really, you know.
    50:17
    so many new titles coming out so fast. Real quick. Yeah. We didn't mention this for Trick Report, but our local coin-op was rated one of the top 10. That's true. Yeah. Lots of arcades to visit. Yeah. Number six. In all of America. You know,
    50:35
    it's cool to have a local place that ranks. It's even cooler. You know, we all know Joe, and we all know he busts his ass to keep that place in tip-top shape. So, yes. Yeah. Shout out to Stunny's Jedi and Coin-Op Barcade. absolutely plus they've got some fantastic bar food there they do it is super legit and they got great beers too and they know how to make good drinks yeah I had a really good since he got it was grapefruit ale that grapefruit yeah isn't that the bomb the French it's like something French it's amazing yeah I couldn't pronounce I literally I said I'll have the grapefruit ale because I couldn't pronounce the name of it It's something French. Yeah. You know, and I'm such the bad American. Yeah. And then when you drink the lovely grapefruit ale, you don't care that you're doing so crappy of a tournament at this point. The downside of that grapefruit ale is it does taste like you could drink like 30 of them. Oh, yeah. It's like squirt with booze, okay?
    51:35
    Thank you. Yes. It's like the last bottle and it's already cold. There you go. So, yeah, definitely, absolutely. Joe, a bait or a bate, I still don't know for sure. I hope I'm not butchering his name like you that. But he's just a fantastic guy, a great human being. We just celebrated his anniversary with his lovely wife, Roxanne. So congrats to you guys both. And I've got our episode written. I sent it out to him, and then I just haven't got back to him. But I know he's also been down in Temecula setting up the new coin-op. So I've been leaving him alone. So when that kind of calms down, I'm going to hit him up again, and he is going to come on the show, and we're going to talk all things pinball. So, and didn't mean to interrupt all you guys' trip reports and everything else, but you know how it gets. We have to tie in the coin-off thing. Absolutely. So, go to Pinball Map if you're in Sacramento area. If you're anywhere, go to Pinball Map. Ask around. Another great thing I'll lead off with coin-off is they have all kinds of special, like, they have all kinds of happy hours and special parties and events. You can rent it out for a special event. They host a second Saturday of the month Pinball tournament It's free to join Free to join Pay for your games And buy And last Sunday of every month is free Sunday And that's coming up a week from tomorrow That's right, free play Sunday, all the games are free So go down, play a lot of free games But buy some food and some drinks So you keep the doors open And support local pinball Yeah, if you don't have a place like coin-op in your town, scream at people to get something going, or do it yourself. Because it's a really fantastic place, not just to play pinball, but get some good food, good drinks, see some cool people, and play some cool video games. So that's coin-op, and then the Flipper Room, yeah. I would agree. I haven't been since they moved to the new location, but the old location, they do a bang-up job. The games are in tip-top shape. They're just the most wonderful people. They really are.
    53:34
    Yeah, they are just, and they're a beautiful, lovely family, beautiful kids. and they're really an asset to the pinball hobby and the Northern California pinball community. Okay.
    53:45
    Yeah, now we're on to so many new titles coming out so fast. I mean, literally, I mean, Jurassic Park came out, what, five weeks, six weeks ago? And we're already looking down the barrel at Elvira. Look how fast Jurassic Park came out after Black Knight. Yeah, exactly. Like, what, five, six weeks. I mean. And there's a hot rumor that Elvira's not it. I've been hearing rumblings of this. Yes. Stern has another game in the chamber too. Like, just ready to pull. Just ready to go. And I mean, it's one of those things where it's like, you don't want to comment on rumors, but where there's smoke, there's fire. Oh, we're doing a Paradise Spinball? Here we go. I actually have a shout-out about that. You know, Northern California's largest wildfire is out of that area. I actually shout out about that at the end of the show. Do you have a shout out about Wildfires?
    54:42
    You've got a serious problem. Have a shout out for William Fire. Dan, how long have you known me? Just one serious problem? Several, bud. I don't follow that crap, but what's the next rumor game?
    54:56
    Ninja Turtles. Oh, cool. It would seem that... I was almost thinking you were going to say Vault Tron. It would seem that Stern's digging into the vault. I was almost sure that they were going to announce a vault Ghostbusters. I mean, I know we're getting ahead of ourselves a little bit. That's okay. We'll get to that. Because of the way that they had Ernie Hudson say, hey, there's a big thing happening next Wednesday. He was wearing a Ghostbusters costume. Right. There's no way Ernie Hudson is just going to announce code. You know, they're going to announce a vault edition. They did him. That's a big trick. But you know what?
    55:38
    Isn't he a fantastic ambassador for pinball? Ernie Hudson? Oh, hell yeah. And a great actor. He's done so many great things. He was the warden in Oz. If you haven't seen Oz, don't let the kids watch it unless they want to learn about shankies. We ain't talking about the wizard. Right, exactly. We're talking about that backdoor steel shutter. We're getting ahead of ourselves again. Anyway. There's lots of that. Yeah, so lots of that.
    56:05
    Well, I bring that, you know, topic up because, you know, and it would appear I'm going to kind of side note into that topic again, but like we're talking about if Ninja Turtles is coming out because, you know, there was a Daddy's Game some years ago, early, early with the small DMV screen, I believe, yeah. And a lot of people panned it as being too simple and not real innovative or whatever. It hasn't stood the test of time. There we go. Perfect. When it came out in the arcade, I played it. It was a simple game. It was easy to get an extra ball and a replay on. And it was fun. Yeah, it was fun and it was shallow. Right. Of course, back then, for me, it's like, hey, man, this game's easy to keep the ball out of the outlings in the middle. Yeah, I love it. Right. Playing it now, it's like, oh, this is simple. Nothing wrong with that, of course. Right. But, you know, if they are doing another one, I'm really curious. Like, please don't make it like, oh, we're just going to rehash the old one, because that's obviously not so much more worth it, but I would love if it had the subway kick out again. Yeah, that's a pretty cool feature, actually, when it comes up out of the little sewer. Hopefully they get a whole bunch of the old toys that they got from some sweaty nerd and put all the toys in the back. You know what I felt like when Ninja Turtles came out back in, you know, was it 91, 90? Something like that. Everybody out of the sewer!
    57:23
    It'll say that every time. What was crazy about that really was that I think that for most people, that was probably the first time they saw a DMD. I know that was the first game I ever saw with the Doc Matrix. I saw that before I saw Terminator. And I know Terminator, Terminator, Slug and Swaggy, Checkpoint was out first, right? Yeah. But they made some Checkpoint. Ninja Turtles was in our case. I saw Ninja Turtles and Machine Gun when it was new, and I was like, oh yeah, this is cool. And I was like, you know, it's cool. I mean, it's got action figures on it, and that's kind of lame, but I thought it was a neat game, you know, for 1990, right? It was fun for the era, it was fun for the era, you know, but I thought it was a cool game. It came out during the time that Ninja Turtles was, you know, huge. Kind of on the heels of the movie. If I remember right, yeah, but it was weird. It wasn't deemed on the movie. It was a really weird cross-up, because you had the back glass, which looked more like the comic book, Then it did the cartoon, but they had the cartoon toys in there. And, you know, if you know the Ninja Turtles effect, that probably was graphic and violent. It wasn't like the cartoon at all. Right. So it was a really weird mashup. But, like Dan said, it was, for a lot of people, I think you're probably right, it was their first DMD. You know, I remember seeing Checkpoint and Raging Waters and being blown away. It was the first time I saw a DMD. Oh, what the hell is this? Right. Video in a pinball machine. It was like halfway between the movie. B2 was the first to have video cards, though. Was it? Yes, it was. But, yeah, it was like half of the movie and the cartoon series. Yeah, it was interesting. It was fun. You know, if you're a novice person, you know. I see a pattern here with the games because, okay, we had everybody was like, they're going to do another Pirates of the Caribbean game. Why? Well, it came out really freaking awesome.
    59:21
    And then, you know, Guns N' Roses is coming up. And then, you know, Stern, of course, does a third in the Black Knight series. But everybody's like, including me, is like, freaking sweet. And then here they are with Jurassic Park. We're redoing that. And then now Ninja Turtles. Elvira. Thank you. Another Elvira. You know, but that's been in the pipe for a while. But still, so it's like we're going back kind of into the well. Kind of, sort of, but not really. It makes perfect sense of what they're doing. Right, because people want those. And they want to see updated versions with newer stuff. They do. All the people who remember seeing those in the arcades, you know, are right around my age and Dan's age. Right. Forties. Right. Prime buying power for most of us. And they're targeting their market, they're doing it right, and they're doing it perfect. People can complain, oh, no, we want original themes, but... No, they don't. People are going to go out and buy... Everybody says they want an original theme, it's full of shit. Because every time somebody tries to give them an original theme, they don't want anything to do with it. The only thing that kind of sort of kind of beat around that and has been largely successful for a more limited run has been total nuclear annihilation because it was so radically different from anything that's been put out in the last 15 years. TNA, though, is an aberration. It is. Like, TNA sold to enthusiasts based on word of mouth. Yeah. And, you know, while they did sell everyone that they made, they made $500,000. They're actually going to start, they're going to be another run soon. They have more orders. They've said that they will make TNA as long as they can make TNA. Yeah, they're going to, as soon as they're done or getting close to being done with Alice Cooper, they said they have another run, I believe, of $75,000. I'm sure they're going to be, so they're going to be the Jersey Jack model. People are going to buy it. Yeah, yeah. When the line's slow, they can pop out another 50 or 100. And it's a fantastic game. And there's no rights concerned. Right. As long as Denise is cool with them being made, I'm sure Charlie will be happy to make them. And, of course, I'm sure that they're going to have a little run-up time to Denise too. But you brought the best point up. It's an aberration. Because, I mean, this has been an argument we've all heard some of us have engaged in, that everybody says they want an original theme, but they don't. They don't want original themes. Nobody wants it. They want an original theme. They just want an original theme that doesn't suck. Okay. Let's talk about Dialed In, right? Dialed In is a cool game. I like it. Got a great shot. Brian likes it. I love it. Alex, best player in the room. What do you say? I like it. Kendra, Dialed In. Have you played it? I've played it, and I'll play it if there's, you know, if it's what's there, but it's not my go-to. Right. And what kills it for you?
    62:07
    You not like how it shoots? No, the shots are fine. It's the theme, honestly. The theme sucks! It's Captain Stumper! It's an original theme, but it sucks! And even if you did make a phone-based game, don't make one that's ugly and stupid. Right? You know, come on. Like, that's a cool game. You could have put ten other themes on that game. That would have made it super cool. I just had an idea. Let's make a little theme that's a captain underpants. Yes! The cell phone theme would have worked great. It was based more on sending dick pics and nudes and stuff like that. Yeah, they would have. Send nudes, though. That would be amazing.
    62:47
    But, no, I mean, yeah, they went with, like, yeah, the R package should be good, but it has some serious missteps. It has giant, terrible figurines. I mean, am I wrong? No. I work in the industry, and I would love a dialed in just for yucks. But at the same time, I have never looked at that game and been like, oh, it's so good looking. And that's one of those things that, like, these days you have to win the art contest. Yeah, because that game shoots like butter. It shoots fantastic. It's an awesome shooting game. But the theme is, like, I would have rather seen that being themed towards Sin City. Yeah. Because that's when I first played it. I was like, this is like Sin City for some reason. It felt like SimCity 2000. And you can tell that Lawler made that game, and he put his heart into it. You know, Wonka, cool game.
    63:49
    Not, doesn't feel like it has the passion. Like, it feels like he needed to make a game. I need to get more time on it before I make that decision. Yeah, me too. I love it more. Original theme, I love Oktoberfest. Great. Oh, that's such a fun game. That game, I want to have some alone, buttery popcorn, naked one-on-one time with it. Okay, just to sit there and play. That's what you're doing to my cover pack. Yeah. I was like, wait a second. That's my popcorn. I know. But just to sit there and get to know it and love it even better. Oh, Bud's here. Bud, say hi to the studio audience.
    64:29
    I like Octoberfest, too. I play two games on it, and it's fun. It's a great game. He's alright. He's going to disconnect the speaker.
    64:40
    Yeah. Yeah, I like Dialed In. I like Oktoberfest. I think the theme's great. I think everything about that game. Great. What, Dialed In or Oktoberfest? Oktoberfest. I like Dialed In. I don't hate the theme of Dialed In, and I get where they were going. Dialed In, that's Dialed Fest. And I think it's just great. I need more time on it. but if I was, like, if I had money just to throw down, I'd probably go with an Oktoberfest first. Oh, yes.
    65:09
    Love Oktoberfest. It's a great shooting game. So it's not that it's an original thing, as what Dan said.
    65:15
    It's a shitty original thing. And that's the thing is, like, refrigerator fest. You know, it's like, everyone has a refrigerator. Man, we should make a pinball machine based on that. No, that sucks. You're out of mustard. Shoot these four shots. If any of our 12 listeners, we were just talking about making an original thing on Geico, which would be original to an insurance company. Five different types of insurances. If Domino's Pizza can have a pinball machine, Geico needs one. The little lizard guy gets adorable. As a topper. You know, I had a lizard living in my kitchen. Her smithy. The pinball lizard.
    65:57
    Exactly. And the caveman. A pinball lizard. Take that monkey ball. So simple. Like, you can't bring the ball. You have a 15-second ball save. You know, let's go back to when... See, none of those are good things. They make me want to go. Let's go back to when they did cool-ass things that were just based on just random stuff. Soccer extreme. No, that's because of soccer. That sucks. Sorcerer. I've got it. That's a favorite. You know. love it and Silver Ball Mania. That's a pinball game. We talked about that the other day. That's famous pinball. There's also a game called Pinball. I talked to Mike about that. I was talking to Mike. Love it.
    66:44
    Make something that people can get behind and they won't go like, oh, that's lame. Nobody wants to admit that they love cell phones. Right. Even though everybody uses their cell phone all the time. Make something cool. People love magic. People love dragons. People love, you know, cars. Yeah, but we already have theater magic. Well, we have theater magic, right? 20 goddamn years ago, now we have Houdini. Is Houdini great? Yes. Is Houdini an original theme? Sure. You know, it's not licensed. Houdini is awesome.
    67:20
    Did people buy Houdini? No. Why? They suck at them. But everybody loved the theme. Nobody looks at Houdini and goes, that game is ugly and that game is stupid. People play Houdini and they go, fuck, that game is too hard. Yeah. You know, and that's their fault, you know. Well, that and the first year it came out, you know, the last year at Senegoga, I remember all of us were waiting in line for God only knows how long to play Houdini and nine times out of ten, it went down. Yeah, it wasn't on the prototype. Early prototype. That should be expected with any prototype. I played the one at Coin-Out quite a bit And I figure out the shots and stuff. They're still tight, but they're doable. It's a fun game I played it with Phoenix Arcade and like we absolutely loved it Yeah, like it was set up right and yeah the shots are tight Yeah And some of those are weird shots where it's not like You kind of get used to like where the ball has to be on the flipper to make any sort of shot But if the designers move that ramp or that loop or whatever just a quarter over you lose that muscle memory so you have to redevelop it Yeah. And I think for a lot of people, because in Virginia, the shots are just, we feel a little, like they're there, but they're not in the place where your muscle memory says, okay, now you need to flip. And I think that's why people find it so difficult, because you have to recondition yourself to play that game. That's a good point. You know, my iron maze is like that for me. I can't hit that right loop shot for anything. I'm still having to retrain my muscle memory to make it. Right. And I like it because it's not just like you can step up to the game brand new and look at it and go, I don't know how to do this. I have muscle memory. So when you do hit it sweet, it feels really good. Yeah. It's an accomplishment. Yeah. And the Houdini theme is great. You know, it's an original. I had to get licensed, obviously, because it is Houdini. No, they did not have the license. You see the three people that talk to the family or anything? They're basically free. And they didn't just say, okay, it's magic, and so it's Houdini. They did a great job of turning that game into, like, a history lesson about Harry Houdini and the shit that he did. I really loved it. It was so cool. And I figure that, like, people should have given that game more of a chance. Yeah. You know, Oktoberfest, that's a cool game. A lot of people didn't dig the theme, but, you know, I think a lot of us understand that it's like, look, man, there's a lot of people in their 40s who like drinking and like festivals, and Oktoberfest is going to work for them.
    69:54
    You know, both are still, you know, well, they're still running Oktoberfest. They stopped running Houdini, but they're still, you know, you still get them on the secondary market, obviously. You can still get them brand new in the box. So, you know, you haven't missed your chance. I want one someday me too some of the best bang for your buck you can get in a pinball machine is in Houdini one of the things I really love about Houdini besides the play field is I love the animations and the way it really like Dan was talking about drags into the history of who Harry Houdini was and what the tricks and stuff that he did and really you know it's an immersive experience that you want from a pinball machine you know like when I was on our dance last night we were playing as many lines completely immersed, so I sucked at it, but I had a decent third ball. So, real quick on that Houdini thing, I taught it today when I was reading about the update on the thread I follow on Pinsize, that whoever owns the rights now to the original Houdini thing is now saying they're going to make it. Oh, yeah. Everyone's thinking it was a huge grain of salt, of course, but it'd be interesting to see if that came up. Yeah, that's the original Magic Girl team. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. John Papaduke, I guess, I guess, Deadpool's got the rights? I don't know about Deadpool. It's just a Hebrew. Thank you. That's cool.
    71:14
    We kind of steer off course, but that's okay because this is a great conversation, and everybody's got some great ideas, and my lovely wife, I've got to get you an October fest.
    71:26
    Anyway. I still say we need a Blues brother. That would be a great thing. With them coming out with games so fast, My concern is, well, it's going to be great for the secondary market because people are out of room and money.
    71:44
    And so they're going to be dumping games. You're starting to see four, five, six-year-old Sterns get into the very low fours. No, no, no. You're starting to see four for $4,4200. Right. But, I mean, Star Trek, Walking Dead, all top-notch games. Yeah. And now they're getting more close to where I can afford them now. And they're still fairly new. If anyone's looking for a Star Trek pro in Northern California, by the way, reach out to us because we know someone who's selling one for $4,000. A very nice one. And he's a righteous dude. Shout out to Mark Sparky Malmberg. Yeah, if you're looking for a really nice Star Trek pro, he's got one on the table for, what, $43? $42. $42? But he'd probably take four. There you go.
    72:34
    Don't tell him that. I want to buy it. Well, get to it. Well, here's the story, right? Games should depreciate. Yes. You know, you don't buy a game thinking it's going to hold its value forever. Hopefully you take it out of the box, you play it, you put a little wear on it, you know, you turn around and you stop at the next person. But with more new titles, especially, you know, if you're looking for a Munsters or a Black Knight or shit, even a Beatles, you know, that's where you're going to take your hit. because those are the newest titles. They don't have a lot of cachet. They're available. You can still get them, so you're going to save some money there.
    73:18
    I don't believe in the concept of the market cannibalizing itself. I think that there are enough pinball buyers at this point that, like, if you released Jurassic Park and then next week you released Elvira, yeah, you might have some people choose one or the other, but I think there are plenty of people who weren't going to buy Jurassic Park that will buy Elvira. There are plenty of people who weren't going to buy Elvira that will buy, you know, whatever Ninja Turtles is coming. There are enough people who might buy two of them. You know, operators need variety, like love it or hate it. Like that's true. You don't want to be in a situation where the newest title is Jurassic Park and you go to four locations, and guess what every single location is? Jurassic Park. Right. You want to go to one location and see Jurassic. You want to go to the other location and see Ninja Turtles. You want to go to the other location and see the Elvira. I mean, you want there to be variety out there. That's good for the market. That's good for route players. But more than anything, you're such a good guy, bud. Oh, my gosh. But more than anything, what you really, really want to see out in the market is you want to see selection. You want to see distributors sitting on top of games that you couldn't get before. I mean, yeah, great. Distributors still have Houdini.
    74:42
    The people who bought Houdini by now, they're out there. But, I want to see three new Sterns. This is exactly why we waited for you. What you just said was beautiful and brilliant, sir. And it was eloquent. Thank you. No, it was. I mean, you make a great... Bud is a good dog. Bud's a great dog. Hi, Bud. Say hi to everybody. You're just a teacher. No, but you make such a great point. There's variety in it. So there's... The sky's not falling is what you're saying. There should be no Chicken Little syndrome here.
    75:18
    The only reason that you are bitching that there are too many titles coming out too fast is because you've got some sort of problem where you feel like you need to buy them all.
    75:27
    That's not a lie. I'm not alive. Yeah, that's a typical pinball lover. I ain't saying I'm not alive. I agree. It's nice to have writing. You go to different places and play different things. I mean, if you look at it right now, like, look, go back, you know, let's go back to the 90s heyday of Bally Williams together, Gottlieb, Data East, Capcom.
    75:54
    Okay, so we had, you know, Bally Williams, one really big company, but producing titles under two brand names, two classic brand names. Gottlieb was still in the game.
    76:05
    Data East was putting out some really good titles and Capcom. So we have one, two, three, four, five. Right now we have Stern, Jersey Jack, Spooky Pinball, American Pinball, Chicago Gaming.
    76:24
    Who else right now? Oh, Suncoast? Well, we'll get to that, but I mean, they released their first game. I'm lying. Look, let's talk about who's shipping games. So we're right up to where the 90s were, and I mean, if you look at it, Stern, it has become now the 800-pound gorilla. They are now the Bally Williams.
    76:48
    That's a fair thing to say. You know, I mean, they've grown that big. Yeah, I think that's a very fair thing to say. They're not producing the numbers back then, because we're never going to hit that again. But they are definitely the... I'd like to know the numbers because, I mean, you can't... I mean, in our little city, you know, in the Sacramento metro area, there's what?
    77:08
    Four or five Deadpools on location? There's that many Ghostbusters easily still. And we've got... I mean, we're so lucky for the size of the metro area we are that we have so many premiums and LEs on location. You can go right now to the Blind Pig and play a Star Trek LE. You can go down to Coin Off and play a Mustard's LE, a Walking Dead Premium, a Batman 66 LE, a Houdini. I mean, there's, you know. Adam's Family. They've got a Mustard's Premium over at the truck stop at a Ghostbusters Pro.
    77:52
    49ers. Thank you. You know, and there's other places out there. I'm like, what's the music place? Holy Diver? Holy Diver. They've got three premiums there. Iron Maiden. ACDC. Lucy and Metallica. And Metallica Premium. Three premiums. I haven't been there since last November of last year. Yeah, I just checked them on math the other day, and they still got those. But, I mean, you know, and that's why I was, you know, I'm just curious. It's like, wow, are we going to hit a wall soon? You know, Dan's point was really, I think, spot on. But, you know, we have more coming. We have Deep Brew coming up. There's, what are the Celtic guys?
    78:36
    Haggis Pinball. I mean, there's a couple other, like, foreign companies. They say that that shit is going to be out in November. Well, we'll see. I don't give a major props to their name because Hoggis is one of the most disgusting foods I've ever put in my life. Right, like all Scottish. Based on a drunken dare. Based on a drunken dare, yeah. You know, but I mean, there's so much to choose from right now. Like, so you think about everything you could buy brand new in a box right now, you can still get Attack from Arn remakes new in the box, I believe. Brad just bought one, one of the last LEs, by the way. He had to search for a bit for that. But they're still out there. Brad was supposed to stop buying games. Yeah, but he's selling his own one. Yeah, he sold a few games, but he bought a few more, so I think he's broke even. I think. He sold. No, I guess. I was like, didn't he sell his Attack from Mars to buy an Attack from Mars? No. He bought the Attack from Mars. Then he was going to sell. He sold his ACDC. He sold his Walking Dead. He sold his Monster Bash. He sold the Strange Science. Yeah, I don't know if he sold it. That was up the other day. Yeah, so that's what I wanted. We wanted too much anyway. But he bought a Beatles. He texted me. He's like, you've got to help me not buy any more games just before Golden State. And then, like, Golden State comes along. I was like, I bought a, what did he buy? Oh, last year he bought a dialed-in LE. And then this year he's like, I thought you were buying more games. He's like, you were supposed to stop me. Yeah, like, I'm going to stop you because I can come over and play them, dumbass. Right? Yeah. I'm going to be like, no, buy three more. So he bought a Beatles. He bought a TNA. Last time I was at his house, he played some TNA. His place is great. But anyway, I'm going way off course here. People are like, Spence, how much do you have to drink tonight? Of course. You know, right? Yeah, right. I think we, you know, no, but... Black arrows for Starboard. Yeah, but, you know, and the used market is, you know, it's depreciating. It's strong, but they're depreciating a little bit, which I agree. I think they should. They're supposed to do, and people need to get past that idea that happened in the hobby, what, four or five years ago with very select games. You could buy a game and sit around and flip it right away. Yeah, when there weren't enough games. This is not a hobby for speculators. this is not a hobby for flippers this is a hobby for players you can look on Craigslist there's that guy who was sitting on his Deadpool LE brand new in the box for 12 grand yeah you're nuts because you can go out and get one used for practically brand new for like $4,000 yes right now Mike's got here oh did that sell oh mum's the word on that one no it was news how's Bud's butt cancer doing it's doing okay. But, I mean, you know, there's so much out there to buy now, it's absolutely, it's almost mind-boggling. Yeah. Like, oh, you can still go spend seven grand to get a real nice Indiana Jones,
    81:31
    or you can go get yourself, like, a premium Iron Maiden, or a premium Deadpool, or a Houdini, or a ton of stuff. Yeah. Or an Octavio Fest. Exactly. You know, there's, or, you know, 22 EMs, or whatever. you know, 22 years. The new market is really healthy. And that's kind of the crazy thing is like right now, like you were saying, you can go out and buy a Jurassic park. You can buy, actually you can buy five or six turns. Easy. Yeah. You know, you can buy a monsters, you can buy a black night, multiple, multiple versions of all of them. An Iron Maiden. You know, you can still get Octoberfest. You can still get Alice Cooper. You can still get Houdini. Right. And, and there's more on the way. Yeah. I don't think though, you can get a cost-to-concern. Awesome. A new one. Yeah. I think that they're done. Well, we're going to get to that shortly. Are we done talking about this? I think so. The market's healthy. We've had more companies than we've had since the 90s, and we should all celebrate that. Support location pinball.
    82:43
    You know, support your friends. They go out and buy a game, and they invite you over, man. Bring something to eat. Bring something to drink. Thank them. Thank the operators for putting them on location. Thank the people that put on shows. Thank the people that bring the games. Don't let your friends have some mess. Sorry, Adam.
    83:03
    Well, that's the reason there's not the mess, because there's wrestling over there and crap on all over, buddy, and took the lead. There you go. That's the only reason it's messy. There you go.
    83:14
    Rusty kills it in pinball league finals at our league finals in the high end that was perfect timing beautiful level up Ray Place and Campbell by the way if you have not been there yeah my lovely wife Rusty Marianne who only got into A division finals because three or four people didn't show up ok a bunch more than that I was literally the only people I was ahead of were people who only showed up one time to leak. Okay? I literally was only ahead of them. But in fairness, you missed a leak too. You did. But I was playing so bad. I am the most inconsistent player on the planet. Well, that depends. If you finish dead last next season, then yeah, you'd be right. But if you finish anywhere but that, you're wrong and you're a liar. Well, no.
    84:13
    That's me. You played good. You played consistently. You played fair. You played hard. And you took out three of the best players in our league to get up to place in second right behind Jeff who played like a madman all day. Three-four champions. Jeff is so good and he is him and I have kind of the same thing. We play for fun. We do our best.
    84:43
    And We cheat a lot. Yeah, absolutely. But the others who I managed to actually beat, which was amazing, are superstars. Very, very good players.
    85:01
    And they kind of all went in with the, it's only Rusty, all went and didn't. Nobody said that. Everybody takes everybody seriously in our league because it's a friendly league. It's a social league. You need three former multiple-time champions in our league to make a run at it. Everybody was pulling for Rusty, including Jeff. Yeah. Jeff's a good dude. Jeff is a good dude, and I'm glad to see he won. He earned it. He deserved it. It's just like, you know, I got beat out by Dan a few seasons ago. Dan went on to win. and I was so happy for him. As soon as I was out, I was cheering for Dan because at the end of the day, it's competitive but we're all very close. We're a tight-knit community. We're all very good friends. If we lose, we're like, all right, I'll go nurse myself. I'll go nurse my wounds of pride at the buffet table and then it's off to cheer for everybody. It's so funny too because when Rusty was playing Adam in the back room or no, Michael, everybody Everybody that wasn't actually still playing was all rushed up, squeezing against the door, like 10 of us looking to watch Rusty just school Michael on counterforce. My choice. I chose it. No, I chose Rusty, but I wasn't squeezed in there. I was sitting right there. I think he saw Rath was a cow. Yeah, because you had just come out of surgery, what, a week and a half before? If even that. But, you know, we always root for each other, you know, and we want everybody. It's a good league. It's a great league, man. And it's such a big part of our life. We so look forward to it. And, you know, have the fun and play the pinball. But you guys are family to us, so we love everybody there, you know. And it's like we look forward to it because we get to see people we love. It's social hour. And it's always exciting to see new blood win. Yeah. You know, and that's one of the things, you know, we're going to go to interleague this year with new faces. A new guy won today at the Folsom CCPL. Kevin Lane. It was his first season with us, and he won. Second place was Rick. Rick is my boy, the bridge layer. He always wins, or at least consistently wins. He's super good. Black Knight. You did beat him two seasons ago. And you know what? And it was the same thing today where Kevin was walking into a hard fight, And, yeah, Rick, you know, Rick didn't have his best days. And Adam, our boy Adam Kressler, took third. He's a double third threat because he also took third in Lodi. So he's 33rd. And he's in the gym boys. And we know that's a performance-enhancing food. He's greased up. Okay, I had a shitload of gym boys at the last league finals. And I was out like Kramer. Because you want to go after the line. It's because you have the intestinal fortitude to handle the gym boys. So that's what it is.
    88:04
    Well, if you and I are off to gym boys, we're done recording. Nobody got the attention of the horse board people.
    88:13
    But it's absolutely fantastic that we're seeing, you know, great new players who are mixing things up in our local leagues. It was, it's as exciting as when you're winning yourself to see somebody who you love as much as Rusty going the distance. Yeah. And if you had won, that would have been the high point of my day. She was definitely going for speed. She wasn't all alone, though. All alone. All alone in her time of need. We were all behind her. It's also great to see people who don't routinely play pinball come in and, you know, win SmackDown. Well, you would hope that she routinely plays pinball since she... Well, I'm not talking about her mom. I'm talking about her mom. Oh, well, no. Now we're... Do we even talk about that? We haven't talked about it. Hilarious. We'll get to that briefly. So we've got Kevin, who was in first season. Her mom is a hustler. That's all there is to it. Her mom rolls in like, oh, I don't really play pinball very much. Bitches leave. It was amazing. You guys ever seen a slide show? I did. Everybody was all like, oh, da-da-da-da-da, you know, she's so funny and nice. You know, we'll use a card to keep her in the game. And it's like, she's going to destroy you. Okay. Michael was sweating bullets. Okay, so if you don't know About a month ago Michael Roll for initiative Michael Hozier What did the game call?
    89:43
    With the stupid cards Critical hit It's the critical hit format Right, it's the critical hit format If you don't know the format, it's a card game Kind of like Magic the Gathering But it's based for pinball And so the cards can do you a good fortune or they can slap you down real fast. Kendra's mom, Miriam, came from where her husband retired in Panama. The Panama Parasher. And we've all got, you know, a nice open invitation to Panama, which is awesome. And she came and had some fun and participated in the tournament. And she plays pinball on occasion, but she's not into it like we are. But she killed it. She ended up taking fourth in the tournament. And Michael, who is an amazing player, has won several tournaments and several league finals over the years. And he won that. He ended up winning that day. Thank you. But he did win.
    90:41
    It was, they gutted it out. Literally gutted it out on Starship Troopers. If it had been any game other than Starship Troopers, she would have had him. Maybe. But she was getting completely. That third flipper really was giving her grief. because she was like, I don't know, what is this? I don't know what to do with this. Because she'd never played the game before. And even if you have, unless you own that game and play it a lot, you forget it's there or you just forget the timing. Kind of like the Magna Save on Black Knight. You've got to know that button's there and hit it fast. But that's what makes it exciting and wonderful, too, when somebody, you know, in both our leagues, we're up to a point where it's anybody's game. Yeah. And everybody is an equal threat. And, you know, even the best players have off days. Even the mediocre players can have really good days. And it makes it more of a challenge and more fun because you just, the ball is wild and you never know what's going to happen. But I'm so proud. Rusty's done better at league than I have now. I've placed third twice. I've placed fourth a couple of times. But I've got the two third-place trophies up there. Mine's taller. Yours is taller because it's the second place. Nobody has a picture of me riding off to work on my broom because it's Halloween theme. But I was real proud of her and real happy that she did so well. And you have to remember, Spencer, it's because she's better than you. You know what? I'm kind of thinking that lately because she's been playing better than me a lot, except on Jurassic Park. She finally said, screw you, Jurassic Park. I want to play Deadpool. and I stayed on it because it is a little bit of a tougher shooting game that made them kind of backtrack in here but congratulations to Marion on a fourth place finish at their first tournament ever congratulations Rusty on second place congratulations to everybody but like Adam man I mean who both times just had to slug it out but managed to pull in a third place finish at both areas of league finals. And congratulations to myself for my back-to-back dead last finishes. Yes.
    92:54
    I'm sorry, we just said the new guy's name. Kevin. I'm sorry, Kevin. Yes. Not to be confused with Nick Lane and Kevin Manning. Okay. Kevin Lane. Congratulations, sir, on your triumphant victory today at Folsom League Finals. And we will see you at Interleague. And we'll see you there. Well, okay, I'll be like, you know, if I don't place in the top three this time, I don't get any early finals this year, but Rusty will be gone.
    93:26
    Not this season. I haven't taken third for two seasons, man. That was like four seasons ago and two seasons ago. Or three seasons, because two seasons ago I ended up taking fourth when I got knocked out by you. Last season I finished like What the hell happened with you on Medusa By the way At the last league finals when you and I were playing I couldn't play for shit It's our seeding game to see where we're finishing off So it's four losers in the first round All I have to say is the last Two league playoffs that we had I lost immediately I got beat today By George who Picked three games that I could play And then outplayed me quickly On two of them one of which was the aforementioned Starship Troopers, which is a game that I don't think I've lost on before, and Jackbot, which just consistently fucks me. That game won't make you so good. But, and then, you know, what happened is just I had every opportunity to win, and it just didn't go my way because that's pinball. I've been playing ridiculously good casual games, just crazy good, getting to wizard modes, putting up high scores, like just really having a good time sitting there focusing on games really finding my shots and just getting the competition and just not feeling it now here's the thing right still fun still great times still playing with my pin bros no matter how much they piss me off Alex um but yeah just you know that's the nature of competition you have the high highs and you have the low lows. And if you're not having fun when you lose, you don't deserve to have fun when you win. You know, it's not all about that day that you win. It's about, you know, watching this new guy go the distance. It's about watching your buddy try to win. It's about, you know, consoling your other buddies who win all the time when they buy out early. Alex, rough day. Sorry, bro.
    95:35
    Young mutual. You know, thank you. off like, I actually fell really sorry. I'm like, thanks, that's when I put it here.
    95:43
    It's just one of those things where it's like literally like, if you win all the time, you know, that would be really good. But no, if you win all the time. He'd be on Charlie too. Yeah, he's certainly proved that he's a real winner.
    95:58
    But, you know, yeah, it was great to see Rusty's run. Maybe next season, which starts on Thursday, I believe. Is that this Thursday? Yes, it is this Thursday. Thank God. I'm feeding for pinball. Maybe this season we will watch Rusty make the championship.
    96:19
    Now Eugene's there because she's just going to totally go out of panic. Yeah, she's coming on Thursday just kneecap Dan. Why?
    96:27
    Why would you kneecap me? Eugene's there. She's going to make Dan do a Jeff Garuli takeout rink. We're a twisted bunch Where are we? I don't even know where we are We're on the list We're on Rusty That's alright Oh, okay, yeah So, up next we're going to do Ghostbusters Code Update Which people have been begging for For my god, what, two years or more? And they got it, and they still bitched. And they're still bitching. Did anybody else watch the stream? I watched about the first 45 minutes of it, and it was late at night. I had to get, like, five hours of sleep to go to work. So I watched a good amount. What it looks like to me is they polished it nicely. Oh, no, it is fundamental. It seems like he touched, from what I saw, I watched it and I fell asleep. from what I remember seeing, it seems like you touched on a lot of the complaints and you fixed them. Yeah! And people are still upset. And for some reason, I just don't understand. I haven't read any of the threads. And I had to check out. Yeah, I didn't bother. You guys, you got almost everything you asked for and you're still unhappy. It looks cool. Yeah, it does. It looks great.
    97:52
    So, they fixed every exploit. Right. You know, the skill shop exploit is fixed. They took out the whole thing where you can plunge video mode. They compensated by making video mode even more valuable, but since you're not getting on the plunge, you have to earn it. They changed the way that the skill shots work. There's more ball savers. Not the Fratellis. What are they? The Scolari Brothers. Don't come out as often. Super jackpots can be ridiculously lucrative. They added Are You a God? They reworked all the wizard modes. They fixed the whole automatic ladder thing They added new music You can move around They put in some new tunes Of course it ruins the fact that everybody was already using a sound mod Which made the game sound amazing already I don't see it on the third website It's supposed to drop early next week There's still a couple of button-ups to do It was very comprehensive And it was what people hoped for We're not going to get to try it immediately because Henry doesn't want to update his machine because he doesn't want to give up his sound mod and have his color D&D not work right. But the exciting thing about it really is, is like, I think it's going to transform the Ghostbusters experience. If you hate the playfield, it ain't changing the playfield. Wait a minute, doesn't Eric still have his Ghostbusters? I think he might have installed him. I don't know for sure. I don't think he sold it. No, he still has it. Dwight said he can't code the Flipper sculpture together.
    99:23
    So, you know. No, that's not happening. But really, like, you know, I watched that thing pretty interestingly. The new wizard modes look funnish. Yeah. Like, what's the word? We're ready to believe you. Right. Like, the way it works is you basically get, it's almost like the way Royal Madness works, where, like, everything is lit and you need to hit shots in a certain amount of time. Did you watch this? Mm-hmm. Oh, you'll love this. And as you hit the shots, you get another ball for your multi-ball. Or as you hit the shots, you move towards a different nickname. So it's like Rookie, then it's Tex, then it's, you know, Ace, and finally it's like Ghostbuster, Demigod, Lesser God, and God? Question mark. And if you can get all the way through it, almost like Sniff and Sniff, sort of like the sniff-a-meter, it starts, Are you a God? Okay. And then Are You a God is objective-based. Like, you have to hit... Nobody, even Elwynn, didn't get past the first one. But the first one is like, you've got to hit two combos.
    100:32
    And then it's going to go through and it's going to run you through undoubtedly other challenges. So it's not just, hey, here's multiple balls for 45 seconds. Good job.
    100:42
    One of the other wizard modes they fixed so that now when you go through it, it takes you through the various themes of the game in, like, the order of the movie. Oh, cool. I'm not sure which one that was. Probably like We Came, We Saw. Right. Maybe or something. Yeah. I mean, they really just nailed this thing. And I mean, I think as a former Ghostbusters owner, you know, and I sold my Ghostbusters to buy Indiana Jones, and I don't regret that, but now I'm definitely like, oh, I wish I still had it. Yeah, because now it's almost like it's a new game, or it's just like in addition to that existing game, I have all this fun new stuff to do now to experience for all the people who like just fucking venerate Lyman Sheets and just run down Dwight Sullivan is one of the elite coders in pinball and he has been for years and years and years you and I talked about that about a week ago and we both agree Lyman turned in his share of like crap ass Data East, Cookie Cutter Co. I mean, I know it was early in his career. You know, nobody's perfect all the time. Like, you know, realize that everybody's games are going to have a different flavor. If you're pissed off about Munsters now, look, he set out to make the games that he made. I'm sure that eventually he'll revisit Munsters and probably give you guys something else. Game of Thrones has gotten its love. Ghostbusters now has gotten its love. You know, those games are, you know, fantastic. Can you bring, you know, everybody's bringing up good points tonight. We're having a great discussion. This is just a blast. I'm loving this. I hope the listeners like it. Fuck them They ain paying for it Hey it Transparency No one can write us and tell us that at thespinnerslit at gmail It not drama and dissension They have listeners in conversation. Right. You got Brian panting. If you're a listener and you want a shout-out, email us at thespinnerslit at gmail.com. Five dollars. Send a dollar, okay? I need a candy. Look in your mom and dad's purse. Show them our paper. We don't have a paper now. I thought we should. Yeah, I mean, I'm excited about it because, you know, I don't own a Ghostbusters currently. I might down the road. No.
    103:04
    We had Eric for a couple of weeks. He started with Oktoberfest. Right, yeah. I am not breaking out. I come home from work or I get up in the morning, like Saturday morning, resting on it and playing the Ghostbusters because, you know, we only had it for a couple of weeks and she wanted to get lots of time on it. And it would just be kind of just a constant curse fest. and her just coming in storming and just pisses all get out. It's like, that game is just wicked. Get it out of the house. What kind of deal? What the fuck are you talking about? It wasn't even wicked. Get out of the house. Devil's Neared? That one's okay. Yeah. They know the back west is percolating stuff. Yes.
    103:41
    No, but I think it's great. I think you bring up a great point. You know, I mean, okay, let's, and I'm not picking on Lyle. I mean, he does great work. But if you look at, like, Monster Bash, it's not a terribly deep game. But at that time, they weren't making terribly deep games. They were based for location. By the standards of, like, 1997, Monster Bash wasn't a deep game. Yeah. I mean, you know, but that wasn't what it was supposed to be. It's supposed to be a quick romp, you know, through a pinball world of a monster rock band. But I love, to his credit, you know, Dwight Sullivan, and I've seen interviews where he talked about he's a big board game fan, too. So he likes the games to have, like, a board game-like progression. And I think that's a really interesting take on it, and I like his work.
    104:35
    That, what you just said, board game progression, what do you explain to your propone Ghostbusters? You get pissed off, you want to flip your Ghostbusters away? Exactly. There is that.
    104:47
    And apparently if you do prefer the original style of like the way the ladders and stuff work, it can all be enabled in Phoenix. Yeah.
    104:57
    So if you did like Ghostbusters before, you can basically have it be the same thing. And you could probably hybrid it out. The new code looks really, really good. And again, to me, it's the next Dwight as one of the preeminent coders in pinball. I mean, I know there's a new generation coming out. And they're all doing really well. They're all doing sexy things, you know? Iron Maiden, Deadpool. Tanya. Tanya O'Kline. He apparently did a lot of the work on this Ghostbusters one, too. Like, Fly was one of the idea men. Yeah. Yeah, he was in the video and talking about it. He was just a really, really, him and Mike Vinacore that we met at this last Golden State. They were just. They were great. They were good dudes. Yeah, and just, you know, absolute great ambassadors for pinball. And just really, just down to earth, really neat guys. Interesting, fun to talk to. They were just really gracious with their time. And we had a great chance to talk to them after dinner. Yeah. Yeah, that was a lot of fun. and drawing so much together. Right.
    106:10
    Alright, anything else on Ghostbusters New Code? Alex, you've been strangely quiet on this. I need to see it first.
    106:21
    How dare you form an opinion before even seeing it? This is America. You should have had an opinion four minutes before we even announced.
    106:30
    And Billy had been willing to go to a drunken rage and physically assault another person with a different opinion. That's America today, guys. There you go.
    106:41
    We say this in jest, folks. Judge Jack Pimball has been said that they are going to be doing another run of the Ruby Red Wizard of Oz the 75th anniversary Ruby Red Wizard of Oz limited edition. Because this is now the 80th anniversary. Thank you, Kendra, for pointing that out now and earlier because I hadn't thought of that. 80 years that film is. And it's coming out in 4K on DVD. I'll be missing that. I'm not a huge Wizard of Oz fan. Sorry. Fuck off. Oh, wow. I don't hate the movie, but everybody loves the Wizard of Oz. Come on, Dan. Stop and think about it. He lives in Munchkinland. That's true. I do.
    107:28
    Okay. what is going on with the Wizard of Oz, it's kind of this thing all throughout the pinball community that this is a dude's game. And ladies like me, Kendra, and Michelle, and Roxy, and the girls. Let me guess, you guys can totally get behind a machine about a bunch of women fighting over shoes. Pretty much. Oh!
    108:01
    From the top row. Okay, this Wizard of Oz is something that a husband can get his pinball on and a wife won't complain. Especially if it's a wife who's not really into pinball. But Wizard of Oz is exceptionally pretty. Yes, women base a lot on pretty.
    108:22
    It's fun to play. It's easy enough for anybody. the challenges appeal very much to women with the rainbow and the ding-dong and the, oh, man. Okay. I got it. And this is just me. Love the little sparkly red shoes. I love those little slippers. They are so sweet. The little sparkly slipper slippers. It's a slipper slippers. Okay. It's pretty. It's pretty to look at. it's fun to play and it totally appeals to women and especially women who are more my age where their husbands and themselves are making more money and have no more children at home and more disposable cash this is totally doable to a point not 11.5 point but when you're painting it yellow and removing a monkey Yeah, the monkey's supposed to stay in the Ruby Red Edition. The monkey's got to stay. No, the monkey cannot be in the Ruby Red Edition. Because the reason the monkey got removed is because Jersey Jack has changed their cabinet design. And last day we did that mech. And then if they put that mech back and you were stupid enough to buy an Olympic Road Edition, you have every permission to drive to New Jersey and kick Jack in the balls. That would be fucking bullshit. What if the monkey's touching, like, the witch's butt? It's okay. It's Wizard of Oz. Yeah. I'm October 5th. Let me ask a question to the pinball players in the room. We all played Wizard of Oz when it came out, right? Yes. What did we think of it?
    110:04
    Crappy. It's big and stupid, right? Okay, so here we are, what, five years later? Eight. Six years later? Eight years later? This hasn't even aged well. Jersey Jack has done so much better stuff. Rusty brings up the perfect point. That game sells for one reason. It sells for the theme. It sells because Wizard of Oz is the ultimate family-friendly theme that everybody knows. Grandma knows. Mom knows. Dad knows. The kids know. But as a pinball machine, it is not the best. They should do a Dark Side of the Moon edition. They should totally do a Dark Side of the Moon edition. Everybody, if you're listening,
    110:46
    just going to take a picture of Pink Floyd in a couple of tabs. They're no people. I'm telling you, man.
    110:55
    We'll run the soundtrack. You know, by I'm going to start selling plasma so we can buy Wizard of Oz and the laser projector on top of it. Yeah, and just give us some mild hallucinogens.
    111:10
    And it's fucking good, man. Wow, we're getting is off to a nice, mild, we stopped, we better play pinball. I like the game. My biggest concern is not with me, because I don't own one. If we had that disposable coin down the road, we might own one. Rusty loves the game. I like the game. I don't love it.
    111:34
    I mean, like everybody else, I watched Wizard of Oz as a kid, but it never resonated with me. Like, Willy Wonka. That is one of my dream themes. I love that theme. And I'm just going to throw this out because we're talking about new themes. Bless America. Somebody please make a Weird Al, especially a UHF pinball. I will start stealing car stereos to buy that game. Okay?
    111:58
    We've already talked about this. It doesn't have to be UHF. I just need to get this. There you go. I can't in case Seth needs an extra. So he's fine. Maybe I'll be going for his brother? Yeah. Yeah, we're going to make it a Europe. He's fine. got one good kidney. I think he's probably got at least six kidneys. Probably. That kid is an unstoppable leading machine. All you got to do is just, you know, you come a little bit of, like, NyQuil, then CD Motel fills up with ice, like, here it works. Hey, man, ice is expensive. And NyQuil is great. Especially at a CD Motel, because those ice machines never work. Well, okay, like, you know, like, you know, Chris and Michelle are good friends, and Reed, and, you know, multiple time Jersey Jack owners. Yeah, and they have a Ruby Red 50th anniversary, or, yeah, 75th anniversary. And, you know, I mean... That is Michelle's game. Yeah, yeah. And she loves that game. Chris loves it, too. We all love going there and playing it. It's beautiful. I mean, when you look over that game and you just, you go, wow, now that's a pinball machine. I'd still do that. You know, last time we were there playing it, I looked over the game, you know, just for a couple seconds, you know, before I hit the start button, and I went, my God, this is a work of art. And then you flip it.
    113:08
    You know, I like it. I mean, I don't, you know, I love getting the house spinning. That's a blast. Yeah. That's all I want to do. Because it's a great play set. It's a play set. Like, it's a pinball machine that they threw the kitchen sink into, and they needed to. But they did the same thing. They threw the kitchen sink into Pirates. We were talking before we started the show, before you got here, Dan. Right, but let's be honest. I got Pirates. Pirates is fun. Pirates is pretty good. Pirates, like, once you figure out the rule set, is actually really, really good. the thing with Pirates, you know, is that it has a lot of shit going on in it, but that shit makes sense.
    113:48
    Wizard of Oz, it just doesn't. Like, the stuff isn't in the right spot. And it's the difference between a game that is well-designed and a game that's a statement.
    113:59
    Right. And Wizard of Oz, you're right, was a statement. Hey, we're going to build a better, fuller featured game, and we're going to throw everything we can into it. And he brought up a good point about the monkey back too Because they redesigned the cabinet For the The overgrown edition That's why they couldn't fit the monkey into it Well because it went to the standard Right the standard JJP cabinet Not the standard size but like they have A standard cabinet That they started using with Hobbit Yeah and now the boards Are in the head instead of down Underneath the plate filled and like that So I'm not sure, but from just the little bit I've heard, it's going to have the monkey in it. Incidentally, real quick, because Brian got to experience this firsthand, how great is the head on a JVP game?
    114:52
    What, the way that the screen is swinging? Oh, I was like, yeah, that's fucking genius. It's great. I love how the screen's on that swing arm, but if it's not put in properly at the factory, like, blanks, and the screen's not level. It sucks. Now, we've talked and discussed about making brackets to hold it up and stuff like that, and I could probably engineer something, but it is definitely robust. Like, that thing is heavy-duty. Dude, it had, like, a wall mount for, like, a 42-inch TV. Oh, wow. So when you open the back box, you pull off the box, and you can pull the screen out and swivel it out of the way. Oh, really? Yeah, it's great. Oh, wow. I've never seen one opened up, so. I hadn't until I went and worked on Lentz, because I'm not the one to be talking, but I worked on his. It was my first experience ever with any Jersey Jack product, you know. I want you to install this mod. Great. No problem. I had to actually find a manual to learn how to release the screen and everything, because I couldn't figure it out. But it's robust. You know, it's not like the old one where it hinges and comes down and lays down on your glass. It swings out of the way. And it's well made. Oh, yeah. That thing can hold a much larger screen than what it does. That's good. The issue with this particular person is that mount was not put in level. So his screen, I got it fixed a little bit, but it's not, there's gaps around the actual window in the class. Which I fixed. He's happier with how it was now than what it did. But again, if you're spending that kind of money,
    116:29
    it seems like something that they should have better following the control. This particular individual had a ton of problems with his... Was this a Waz, or... This is a pirate.
    116:43
    He had a ton of problems, just like a lot of people have. And of course, on the flip side, other people have bought him and threw him off to the box and put him in the slot. I don't think Chris and Michelle have had a single issue with their pirates. So I'm working right now on the re-release of the Ruby Rats and Waz. The re-release will include the mechanical wing monkey. Okay. What's the price? Fuck you, Yellow Brick Road owners.
    117:07
    All for you. Not that I'm seeing at the moment. I don't know what the price point is going to be now. Higher? Higher, yeah. They probably haven't heard it out yet. Those are supposed to be hitting the line in a week or so. You can't go higher than it was. Well, it says Brian's been talking about repairs and maintenance.
    117:29
    You know why they're doing this, right? because they're going to stop making wonkas until they figure out the play field. That's been speculated. Too much money. That's why they're doing it. They're like, hold on, hold on, hold on. We got 500 play fields for Wizard of Oz, but we know we're good.
    117:50
    Let's go ahead and slow down on this broken Willy Wonka train and put some nice, reliable. We worked all the kinks out. We put the monkey back, maybe even the old cabinet, who knows, with a vase. You know? It's time for the 80th anniversary. It's time for the 75th, 80th anniversary. We don't care. Get out. Well, you know what? If they're doing that. You're a good date center. Look, you know they're going to be able to sell them because you know they're going to have orders for them. Oh, yeah. You know, Jack and Tim are not. You know, they're smart guys. They're good guys, and they're going to make it right. Just like we talked earlier. All the companies, man, they're good people. I mean, they're good people, and they're going to make it right. It might take a while, but they'll get it.
    118:32
    But let's talk about, well, first of all, I'm going to do our little commercial real quick. If you're in the Northern California, Sacramento, Bay Area, north of Sacramento, and you need repair work done on your pinball machine, electromechanical or solid state, okay, the oldest to the newest and everything in between, or you just got a game, you want to get a good, nice, clean shop job on and some minor tweaks, Can you use your phone, man? Sure We have before, right? We have, haven't we? It's By and Cast Lots of us are on And how do you want them to reach you, man?
    119:10
    Email Yeah, let's do the email I was about to say something really off-camera Okay, okay Email Okay, look Okay Email me at thespinnerslit at gmail.com And then I'll shoot it over to Brian And he'll get a hold of you He does fantastic work. Everybody in this room will vouch for him. Many other local Sacramento Bay Area pinball people will vouch for him. He's a longtime member of the community in the Sacramento Bay Area.
    119:40
    He's a gentle and thorough lover. And he's a righteous dude. He's a righteous dude. He does fantastic work. What are you working on lately? I know what you're working on. Tell the listeners. Buttoning up a next gen for a friend of ours, Henry. Yeah. That was just a basic shop job, rebuild the 5-volt, normal 20-year-old game stuff. One thing I had noticed, I've done all of mine, did one on Dan's, and it seems like it gets overlooked. Everyone knows about the big caps you've got to replace when they explode and blow their guts all over the place and ruin your board. But everyone seems like they're ignoring the small caps like the 12-volts and stuff like that. Dan got a very nice Star Trek from Mr. Hosier, and it was having issues and, you know, we researched it semi-independently, semi-at the same time. We both reached a conclusion. Independent minds came to the same conclusion. And, yeah, it was. We looked at it and that 12-volt, what, C5 or C2 cap, whatever number it was. Yeah, C2. And it took out Q2. Yeah, it took out his voltage regulator. It took out all the traces. It took a little bit of jump ring, but it came out great. It was like a little hand grenade in there, wasn't it? You know what? It was like a stealth death mine. Like, you would look at it, and if you didn't look deep, you didn't even see the band. But it was there. After doing that, and I realized, you know, I had to do the two casts on my bi-directional boards on Whitewater and Doctor Who. Same reason. Cap blew up and took out Traces. I was doing another one. I'm going to do it where I actually just replaced the boards that went so badly on another friend's Whitewater, where his bi-directional cap went out. This is all boring. I'm going to put everyone to sleep. I see. But it's just one of those things. If you have boards with those small caps that haven't been done, take a look at them. Especially, you know, it looks like it's an original cap. Think about having it replaced because they are literally more. Think about having Brian replace it for you. They are literally ticking time bombs where, you know, we're talking 25-year-old caps that are 10 years past their prime. And when they go, they'll take out your board. and it's really bad, you're going to replace the board if you're lucky. You're talking a $2 cap. If you're unlucky, you know, like a buy the rest report, $70. Right. And here's a straight testimonial. I have, in the past, thought it was a good idea to do my own board work.
    122:06
    Board work is hard. Not impossible. I believe that people can do board work. I took the board to Brian after I mingled it doing my board work. Brian repaired the board now not every board is fixable but it's a lot easier to fix if you don't mangle it first so if you're having trouble with your pinball machine give it to an expert this man's an expert I've seen your work, it's beautiful work you're meticulous, you do great work and you also do cabinets you get an airbrush you get airbrush I got working on Henry's really well and then due to situations. We have a cabinet guy.
    122:47
    We have a couple, yeah. Well, yeah, but one of them actually does cabinets for people. The other one doesn't. Are you cheating? We love him. But you don't want to spend a grand to redo the cabinet or whatever. I can add color back in. You did a beautiful job on Henry's Doctor Who. That came out really nice. It really cemented my idea that I hate working on Doctor Who's, but I will do them. that was by far my least favorite game I've ever shot yeah you were that was a great story with redoing the toy yeah the mini elevator what is that thing called? the mini playfield time is standard after dealing with mine which was easy and then dealing with Henry's which was the exact opposite that's my least favorite thing to work on in any game I've ever done He's doing a Doctor Who mod for me right now I am That's right After doing Henry Star Trek a couple of times That's not the worst game to work on Doctor Who is my absolutely favorite I'll do it But it's not my favorite It's only because you've done so many of them That's true But yeah I can do it Hit me up and see if we can work out And the thing is if I can't touch it Like it's an EM it's beyond my Knowledge I know people I can reach out to who are EM guys. Izzy. Izzy, yeah. Izzy fixes those in his sleep, I'm pretty sure. I need to call Izzy. I gotta get into Surf Champ and just, I'm sure it's really simple, but, you know, just the player wants to score a real stick in and, you know. And heck, if people want to learn how to do board working, what do you do?
    124:32
    In there, clean it. I gotta do it. I need to do it. I need to do it and then I have to, I'm sending my double stairwell to Brian eventually. and just get it done. And then you and me got to dig into that gun game and figure out exactly. That should be easy. Yeah. What gun do you have? Oh, I got, for free, as soon as we're done, we're almost done here. Well, okay, it's a police trainer. Okay.
    125:01
    It's an area after one bridge to place 51. Yeah, no, it's in a NBA Jam cab with a police trainer marquee with a bezel from an Area 51. It's plain blind, and it sounds like it's plain Area 51. Right on. So, and I got it free. And the cab's solid. Yeah, as soon as we're done here, we'll go crack it open. Yeah, because I can't get him to buy me a House of the Dead too. That is such a fun game. Isn't it? I love the version on the Wii because the voice acting is so awful. I don't want to die.
    125:37
    Like, somebody just but I absolutely I love those games those things were just they weren't even quarter eaters they were like your hourly wage eaters Jurassic Park we're sitting there we go well we go to the drive-in which we try to do quite often during the summer so we break five dollars and end up you know throwing you know two tokens at each kid and then we start putting our tokens into Jurassic Park and we're shooting away. And, of course, my time goes up quick because I always get killed first. More tokens. Shoot away. More tokens. Shoot away. So right now, that's my favorite. My eldest son, he loves the Terminator one. Or if you play the new Walking Dead one, they have it at the bowling alley over on Watt.
    126:31
    No pinballs. But that Walking Dead game, I watched Malcolm play. He's in a bowling league on Saturdays. and it looks really cool. I've been to that bowling alley forever, and I miss bowling. Going to bowling alleys is difficult for me. I miss bowling so much. It was part one, right? If you ever want to see something really disgusting, go to the arcade with Alex, hand him a couple quarters, and watch him play House of the Dead. Completely. Off 50 cents. Damn. Twice. Damn, dude. It was gnarly. So it's not just pinball that you're a killing machine on. Turns out he's a gun game god. Wow. The god of the gun. The god of the gun games.
    127:15
    I'm going to end the show on that note. Anybody have any shout-outs and thank yous? Oh, no, I can't. Hold on. We haven't gotten, we have one more topic, and we're two hours and seven minutes. There was nothing we could do.
    127:26
    The spinner's lit longer than it works. Right, yeah. But more interesting. It's better. Oh, God. It too. It part two was just not. And I like the first part. Anyway.
    127:39
    Kiss me, fat boy. Because the kiss, not the kiss, the kids part of it is always better than the adults. Always.
    127:48
    Suncoast Pinball, okay, is filed for Chapter 11 protection, bankruptcy. It's actually Suncoast Arcades or something, like they do arcade games too.
    128:00
    I'm not getting a lot more information, but to be honest, man, I have a real day job and a family and everything else. So I didn't research it thoroughly, but they just released their first game, what, two months ago? Cosmic Carnival. Cosmic Carnival with amazing art. It looks really cool. It does, from Dirty Donnie. And it's beautiful art.
    128:18
    Looks like the game might be fun to shoot. I've heard mixed reviews. But, you know, that's why I'm not spending a lot of time on Pinside these days.
    128:28
    Because it's just, you know, opinions are very strong and passionate. We'll say that. but every cool person I met in pinball pretty much I met on pin side it's so cool and weird not me either it was funny too because I talked with Brian for years on pin side but we didn't meet on texting you met me on the tour over there by business 80 don't watch 25 bucks and you got 10 dollars back So, you know, rules of the road. So, you know. Don't be so suburban. But, yeah, you know, so we don't really know what's going on. I wish him the best of luck because I like to see every pinball company make a great product and succeed. But the competition is stiff out there.
    129:20
    You know, I mean, you've got Stern, Jersey Jack, American putting out some really neat titles. You've got You know Chicago Gaming Company Putting out Some you know great reproduction games You've got Spooky Up in every game they up the ante They're up in it heavy I mean Alice Cooper is a masterpiece That game is amazing Yeah and I can't wait to see what they do next I mean it's Scott Denise's second game And you know we'll lighten the strike twice Anyway I think, man, because I'm just, like, spinning here because it's been a long, long day. You said two shouts. Two shouts. Yeah, and a beer. So, and a lot of taquitos. And no scotch this episode. No scotch. I had a beer. So, we're going to round it out. I got, I'll start. I got a couple, three, I got a couple, three shouts. Good old work buddy and fellow Navy veteran Bob Coberman and his lovely family now living down in the Phoenix, Arizona area. Shout out to you, Bob. It was great talking to you again this morning. Happy birthday to Joseph Mudloff, or Joe Mudloff, my old baby buddy and brother.
    130:32
    Mudbound! We talked on his birthday, which unfortunately for him is September 11th. Happy birthday, brother. I'm missing you and I love you. And you stay frosty. And I got a call from my office yesterday. A survivor of the Camp Fire in Paradise, California, if you follow the news. and one of my old customers, who I haven't seen in years because I moved from the Chico Paradise offices down in Sacramento eight years ago, nearly eight years ago. He reached out to me. He's living in Texas now with his wife, and they have family in that area. And Jackson, is it Jackson? No, not Jackson. I'm sorry.
    131:16
    What am I? Jamestown. Jamestown, Texas. What, Jackson? Jamestown, they're small towns in the mountains. We've been talking about Jackson. Yeah. Right. So, Jamestown. So to Jay Shepard and his lovely wife, highly hope. Good to hear from you, man. It was really nice to hear from you. I'm glad you're safe and doing well and rebuilding after the fire. So that's what I got tonight. That's what we got. Anybody else got some shout-outs and thank yous? I have a massive shout-out to my mom. A, for coming and playing in a tournament and taking for a place and being for staying long enough for me to have surgery. Yeah, I'm taking care of you. Bless her heart. Your mom's awesome. I'm glad she's back home in Panama State with the monkeys.
    132:03
    Yeah. Panama! Right? That's got all the notes on it. Yeah. The monkeys. The best rock and roll song ever written. Yeah, and lots of monkeys. And it's working back hard. Yeah, no, that's awesome. That's awesome. Your mom was really, really, really great for her to come out and be with you. So, Alex, who's nodded off twice tonight. You going to be okay to get home, bud? Oh, absolutely. You look tired. We're all tired. You got a new car, man. We got a new car. Shout out to them. Thank you, sir. We're at two hours and 12 minutes. You'd like to play Hyundai? Yep, I'd like to play Hyundai. And Geico. And thank you for bringing pizza tonight, sir. That was awesome. Pizza.
    132:44
    Taco. Taco, yes. We love Alex. Brian. I'm good. challenge everybody out there who listens send us some hate mail, we like it please shout out to everybody who sends Brian some paid work, that doesn't count me and so that's awesome, yeah, good point Dan thank you, yeah, Brian's ready to go man, so if you're in the Northern California area, North of Sacramento regional area Vacaville, you know, the Bay Area Stockton, Modesto, whatever man get a hold of Brian And you can reach him through me Spinnerislin at gmail.com John Scott Who reached out, wanted to be on the show I know But we don't have the technology quite figured out yet With enough of a train wreck getting started Yeah The whole Reno crew is doing some exciting stuff They'll be streaming Wonka Next Wednesday or Thursday I believe So Check them out If you want to see the hottest newest games being played by the hottest, coolest guys. I don't know how hot they are. They're not too bad.
    133:52
    Also, I want to throw a shout out, I don't know if he listens, but to Mike Huntsman, I got to check out his biggest little arcade up there last week. What a cool facility. The craziest games, and yeah, a bunch of super engaged, super cool people who play them. Super informal atmosphere there. So much fun. They play a ton of Royal Rumble, like someone's playing Royal Rumble every single minute. I think I was there, and every time Hacksaw came up and did the, oh, if you didn't say ho, he'd kick you the fuck out. I miss that game. I wish I still was there. What an environment to play pinball in. Super fun. Great competition, and he's got a lot of big plans up there, so if you're in the Reno area, I mean, you undoubtedly know my husband. Look him up. And if you don't, introduce yourself and tell him thank you, because he does a huge amount of great things for the pinball community. It's terrific. Not just in Reno, but at the shows and everywhere else. So that's awesome. Thank you, Dan. That was great. Rusty?
    134:53
    Not a whole lot. Now, if you have any questions or any topics you'd like us to cover, okay, there are real smart people here. I am not necessarily one of them. But if there's anything you want, questions you want to ask, topics you want to hear, games that you're interested in and wondering what our take is on it, then go ahead and email us at thespinnerislit at gmail.com You can also find us on Facebook somewhere. Hey, are you Instagramming yet, dude? You need the Instagram. I do, but I hardly ever do it. You've got to get on the Insta of the gram. You've got to explore the space. So, Ed, find us on Instagram at also at thespinnerislit.com That was great. Something like that. Stop close. Find something pinball-y. I don't. I actually just put it on my page, so I'll start Spinner's Lit page. There you go. All right. So we'll start Spinner's Lit page. Find us on Facebook. Again, email us. Email us. I can speak a bit English here today. Email us.
    136:02
    Spinner'sLit at gmail.com. And that's our show tonight, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you so much for listening. and let's take it out, boys and girls. What do we tell the nice folks at home and on the road? Play pinball. Keep America strong.
    136:39
    Thank you.