Welcome everybody. Hey, it's Sunday. Hey, it's Sunday and we're here. Microphone check. Make sure audio is still good. It looks great on my end from here on the road. Everybody's already in chat, man. We start the fivem minutee buffer. I think I have time to like run out to the car or something, but like there's no way everybody's already here. Please tell me you guys can hear me. And then we'll get into it. I've been burnt before with this stuff. All right. We good? We good? Give me thumbs up. Give me some cheese. Give me some grease. Give me some silver pinballs. Yes, dude. Yes. All right, let's get into it. Look at this behind me. I got my road game. We're out here on the road traveling from work currently from the great state of the Midwest, Ohio, the other other Keystone State. And I figure perfect loud and clear. Love it. So, my road game for this trip is Star Trek: The Next Generation. Not what I left the house with. I left the house with a wipeout and I came back with a stunner. A stunner courtesy of Jeffpinball.com. Their logo is right down right down here. Get yourself a game. Use the code. Get yourself some shirts. We got new WOB shirts coming out. By the way, I got the uh the logos coming in. The shirts are in. If you like 8bit nostalgia and arguably the greatest runand gun 8-bit game ever, freaking Contra, the origin of the Konami code. We took a riff on that and did a logo and it's blown me away. Michael Barnard did an awesome job. I hired him. He's an artist. He's worked with Stern. You know him from such games such as Rush, right? He did all the versions of Rush. Did all the versions of Jaws, Elwin's arguably greatest game as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely. So, I was consider I'm here for four days. So, I'm like, I could probably leave this game under a tarp in the back of the truck. And then I'm like, nah, nah. We're g I'm g I'm gonna figure out how to get it in. Getting it in was no problem. Getting it back in the truck solo is the only thing that this guy's concerned about. So, I'll tell you a little bit about my experience here. You know, game is temperamental. I'm learning, right? As soon as I floated the idea of like, dang, should I get myself a Star Trek the Next Generation? People are like, get ready to work on that game. It's got some like engineering flaws there. This is the fourth road game I've had. The first road game was uh Big Labowski, which I set up solo. Holy crap, what a heavy game. Uh and then I've had a Monsters Premium. I've had a Tales from the Crypt and now Star Trek TNG, The Super Pin, and back the backlash is autographed by Steve Ritchie and Greg Freres who did the art. Super cool, man. Uh Roger Sharp signed it, too. So, shout out to that. Uh, Jeff at Mad didn't even tell me that broken pinball machine sucks. Jaw is number one. Lwin, I mean, can we can we just put that to bed? Godzilla's great. Kong shoots great, but when you when you really consider everything that's in there, the theme integration, the modes, come on. Kong ain't got no 1980s I'm going to kill shark with 3D glasses on my face mode, right? Brad's got tails and it's going good. That's fantastic. So, this game right, uh, Jeff had played it and it was working fine. So, they boxed it up, got it out to me. I set it up, turn it on, it's getting power, but the game doesn't boot. And I'm like, "What the hell?" So, I go through, it took me a whole day. We got it working. I receated every connection. That wasn't it. There was a ribbon cable that wasn't quite attached. So, I put that in. That allowed the game to boot. But, the only coils that were firing were the flippers, right? none of the vucks, uh, none of the other diverters, none of that was working. So, I knew there was something major wrong. Turned out to just be two fuses, two 3 amp fuses from the power driver board, but like this is my first game with fuses, right? So, and I didn't bring my tool bag with me. My tool bag is sitting right next to my extra mic cable that I left at home like a stupid butt. Uh, so I had to go and grab a multimeter for Harbor Freight, talk to Jenga on the phone, and dude, Jenga, right? If you need a tech by the telephone, Jenga, Retro Jeno, he's done so many of these damn games. He hooked it up. He walked me through what to do. So, I went through and tested every fuse and sure enough, two fuses responsible for like the bulk of the solenoids in the game were both blown. And uh went to a couple hardware stores in town. Um hard the auto parts store has some of these old fuses, but I found like this ancient hardware store that still had 3 amp fuses, the slow blows that I needed. Popped them in. Game is playing now. So, I don't know what happened, but you know, these things are freaking temperamental. I'm not This is not going to be a rental game for me. This isn't a game I'm going to go throw in someone's house and expect it to just work all month. I think I'm going to bring this home and like get it working perfectly and I ain't going to breathe on it. I'm just going to play it. Like, that's it. Oh my goodness. But I'll tell you what, this reportedly from people that know this is one of the most temperamental games of the Ballet Williams series like to work on this and Twilight Zone. So if I can learn this dude, I'mma be like B Williams tech, man. Right. What what am I going to fear once I can figure this out? Shane, thank you, sir. Rocking the old style. I got the Don Pinball podcast hats in, by the way. They're in the car. I'm gonna order another set. Shane, was somebody. Yeah. So, this is how I figured out that like Chicago was a thing. You go around with this old style hat, even in Florida, and any kind of Chicago people just like become friends with you right away. So, I love this as a theme. I think this absolutely would work as a not a rethe, but like like revisit this theme, make a modern pin, a modern widebody pin TNG. Can you imagine? Yeah. Yeah. So, apparently this and Twilight Zone are the two like big bastards to work on. And like I don't know, games of this era now. Like this was built in 1993. Um, which was 20, 30 years ago. Um, so you open up the backbox and it smells like an old closet inside. Like it smells like old wood. It smells like an old trailer. And I'm like, my god, full of dust. All the Mullex connectors are 30 years old. You know, these freaking things. So yeah, um, I want to learn. And so this is how I'm going to learn. And the game play is super fun, man. It's like I guess one of the first times that there was actually like primitive modes in a game. Um, you know, Tales from the Crypt had modes, but they're really like here's 30 seconds, hit some stuff. This one's kind of the same. Here's 30 seconds, hit all the Q shots, but you know, keeps track of everything there. And then I'm assuming there's wizard modes and stuff. What's up, Drewiski? Hey, man's here. How you doing? I got Star Trek working. So, um, I came up with a way. I got to put this in the truck by myself, um, in a couple of days. And so, lifting this thing, like deadlifting it and getting it into the truck will prove to be difficult, but I came up with a solution. Here's what I decided to do. Smells like old style. Yeah, for sure. Um, so I'm going to park my truck up against a curb, right? So, the game will be already about six inches higher than the level ground. I've got two pallets, so and I got a dolly. So, I'm going to take my dolly. I'm going to put the game up on two pallets on top of the curb. And that should bring it up like a whole foot, I think, al together. And then I'll be able to lift it and tip it in a little easier. I can show you to repin connectors. The community is why this game works. If it was just me, I'd be sitting here with a game and like an old electrical manual that I couldn't read and I'd be trying to like figure out how to get this thing working. But because I got people like Brad Jenz, Jeff at Mad, the pinball studio, I think I think I'll be fine, man. And how cool would it be to get this thing like totally like everything is working 100%. Redo the the armor. Put rad cows on the damn thing. It's got some cabinet wear and dings because of course it does. Bondo those. Sand them down. Dude, make this thing cherry, bro. All right. Andrew says to buy a lift table and he is absolutely damn right. All right. So, I am on a list for one of those Escalera tilt tables. I know they're $3,200, which is why I haven't gotten one so far. I got one. Harbor Freight has a new scissor lift table that's different from the one where you use the handle to jack. I just picked that up and at home that makes it super easy. Um, and it was like $240. Um, so so check that out if you haven't seen it. It needs to have casters on all four wheels, so I'll probably have to modify it. Um, but you can lay the game down on this uh on this lift cart and then lift it up and that that works really good. But I want the tilt table because it just looks like the ultimate in getting a game set up, wheeling it around wherever you want. So, I'm putting some uh I'm putting some money aside. I'm on a list with uh Flipping Out because he seems to be the only Escalera dealer. Is Simpsons Pinball Party remake ever coming out? No. I wish I would. It's a fun game. I would love I would buy this as a remake if CGC did it. If Padretti did it, I don't think I would because I don't want predator targets in my Star Trek. I think um I mean it's just licensing, right? But then again, it is just the Simpsons and I would think that if it was easily possible to remake Simpsons Pinball Party, it would be easily possible to make Simpsons Treehouse of Horror freaking machine because everybody's been asking for that. Spooky knows. Okay, I would mention that to them all. Everybody does. like, "Did you guys should do Simpsons Tree House of Horror?" Yes. Even if you were to like just do a rethe layout as Pinball Party, you know, just to say, you know, maybe improve upon some of the shots, make the couch a little more of a moment. Um, but uh do that as uh Treehouse of Horror with the screen and all those modes, right? Well, here's one for Pretty. If they can tackle that and come up with a Simpsons 2.0 kit that is Treehouse of Horror, I would get that one. I would get that one. But no, I think modern times require modern solutions. A widebody pin full of fun mechanisms, treehouse of horror, perfect spooky theme. And these guys aren't stupid. I know they've thought of this probably 10 years ago. And there's got to be some licensing hiccup of why you can't do that. One thing I wish I had was larger wheels. It's great for indoor use, not so much outside with the standard wheels. So, are you talking about Escalera the um stair climbing dolly or the Escalera tilt table or are you talking about both? Um I've got a pin crawler which is half the price of an Escalera and they're even cheaper now on Amazon. The Chinese knockoffs are out there. Um and I like its tank treads for going up and down stairs. Um so, but it doesn't help me set up a game and my god my back is going to give out at some point if I keep this up. So, the tilt table though functions as a dolly and then I would chiefly use it for um setting games up. The tilt table. Okay. So, like yeah, I don't know if I would use the tilt table wouldn't be my perfect my first choice for like taking a game from the loading dock into the house. Um but when it comes to Okay, the legs are on the game. It's unboxed. That's when I want the tilt table so I can tilt it, stand it up. John Tombberllin's here. You're not late, buddy. We were just getting started. I want to buy all your Star Trek the Next Generation mods when you make them. I got some ideas, man. Chiefly, um the the double scoop or double vuck ejection thing on the left to the wire forms that definitely needs to have a board cube on it. Like definitely. Perfect. Yeah, I got to get a lift table. Um I was hoping that by now we'd see Chinese knockoffs for half price, but I just haven't seen them. They're backorded through Flipping Out. I got my name on a list. Um, and they're three grand. But then you have to balance that three grand cost with what's the cost of back surgery, right? Or having your back out for six months and not being able to work because you're an idiot. You lifted Avatar by yourself because you were on live stream. What should the license problem with Treehouse of Horror except money? Yeah, Jurgen is correct. So, um, you know, you're going to have like the Simpsons actors, they know their worth, right? their ironclad contracts. You would probably have to pay off each voice actor and Disney and Fox and whoever else. And so you'd probably be a situation where yeah, you could pay $5 million for the license, but if you're spooky and making a thousand games there, all your profits are going to be gone. I use a staircrawler for outdoor use. It has large wheels. Zach shows using the two together, but I find that difficult. Yeah, that seems I don't know why you would do both at the same time. Um, I'm glad that they can mate together, but the Escalera looks fine. I do think that the pin crawler, I like that design because of the tank treads and I seem like I have more purchase on the steps. I'm just worried about the Escalera like if it's carpeted steps like what if it what if it like like slinkies and each step it moves out like a millimeter and then finally like drops one or something. Maybe that would never happen, but I think they're both fine. Um, I was I was happy to pick up a pin crawler at Expo for $1,400, I think. And now there's versions even cheaper online on Amazon. Now, longevity wise, I don't know. I think I need a new battery because it doesn't hold as much of a charge or it feels like it gets weaker. Whoa. Hey, DJR Pinball just got back from the UK pinfest. He's saying that game of the show is Evil Dead. And you should know that game of the show is always Portal, even if it wasn't there. I tease because that's what some people said at TPF. Like there was 10 Evil Deads at TPF. There there were like six people deep the entirety of the show and then people said Portal was game of the show and it's like objectively I don't know how that could be true. Even though I love me some Portal. I bought two of the t-shirts. I still need to do that giveaway for my other Portal shirt. I really want Portal. I really don't want the rest of the the cabinet. is way too heavy and I don't know how to work on it and I would love to just have a standalone game of Portal. And it's funny because there was just an interview with uh the two guys at uh Multimorphic talking about their machine and the comments they made were everybody comes up to us and they ask us can we just get this as a standalone table and they're like no but we've already done some things like you know moved more of the mechanisms and ramps down closer to the flippers. Um, basically they said that what's been successful for them is every time they they make their machine more like a traditional machine, people seem to like it more and then they keep asking them like, "How about a standalone?" And my my idea was, you know, keep your keep your multimorphic 26 game system, but also make an arcade version for somebody that just wants to route a $6,500 portal in their arcade and not have to mess with uh scoops and servos and a ball trough with 17 balls in it. Um, and just make it like just a standard cabinet, bring the price down, and let me let me put it in arcade for a year, earn some money, and then somebody could sell it used. Like, that's what I wanted. And of course, they have plenty of multimmorphic P3 customers, and so that's not something they want to consider, which sucks because I would totally get one. Portal's fun. Portal's fun. They need to take a page out of Chris Turner's playbook, listen to the community, unless they don't need to. Unless they are so overrun with orders and customers, which they must be because since March, there has been not one portal that has made it to a consumer and we're in August and supposed to ship by the end of August, right? So, the the benefits of Multimorphic were that um there was a lot of variety and that the modules would be cheaper. And then they come out with Portal, which is like $6,000 for the topper and the full game, which is like, what are we doing? Dune was good. The little that I did play. All right. Good to hear it. I had a few cheap drains and there were people queuing, so I couldn't be bothered to queue again. That's always a problem on a new game. And how many were there? Were there 10 Dunes to play or four or was there one? Pinball Brother games are made in Italy and are designed by Pinball Brothers. So if parts and components have design issues, they will just get made that way. Okay, I must be having a stroke. That's confusing to me. What y'all want to talk about discussion? We keep talking about Pinball Brothers and they can't sell Predator. Most people are concerned about quality of product, but Pinball Brothers isn't actually making their games. Pinball Brothers games are made by Euro Pinball Corp. in Milan, Italy, which I think is like Pretti Shop, and they've kind of partnered with them. So, Pinball Brothers I see as a design studio in Sweden, and then I see Euro Pinball Corp. as a uh uh what do you like white label manufacturer? I've got a Harry Potter CE coming tomorrow, brother. I've been there. I don't know how I managed to get into a Harry Potter CE and then to get right back out again. Like I just like I'm Homer Simpson noping into the hedge. It was just a situation of like right place, right time. Haven't gotten my multicade yet, sir. But uh um I mean I'm I'm intrigued, but it seems like the more I learn about multicades, the more confused I am on exactly what I want. Harry Potter CE will be an interesting game to follow over the next year and see like where they all come from. So like is Predator This is so weird that they announced like there's only 150 left. It must have been selling like absolute dog vomit and they're just trying to move on or you know maybe Padretti wants to put one of their games in production and so they're like listen you've got this window to make some Predators. Get whatever sales you can and then we're going to move on to something else. because it's why would they limit the production of the game before they're even produced? No one's played it. No one's even got to play it. There's not like 10 Predators floating around everywhere like going to shows like UK Pinfest. Was Predator there? No. Um the European Pinball Championships, was there a Predator? No. They're probably not going to be Predators until October at Expo. And then is it going to be like ABBA where there's four of them? And then if people want to buy them, well, apparently they'll they'll be in stock by that point. Just need to try a few out. Yeah. Um I talked to uh the guy that's making like supposedly the best multi-gate around and honestly it was very impressive when he talked to me about it. Um and I've been trying to hook up with a guy that has one in Chicago so I can play it. It just hasn't happened yet.
Yeah, but you can't create the FOMO until people just want to play the game first, right? Remember what happened at Texas Pinball Festival with Evil Dead? Evil Dead sold like 70% of their units going into TPF and then the sales had slowed to a slow steady trickle. Every day there was one or two being sold. I was watching it because I was in on one and I wanted I wanted to sell out. Okay. TPF was the first time that like the mass amount of pinball fans got to play the game. And as soon as people played it, it it sold out because I think there were people that were 90% in on the game and they were saying, you know, I just got to wait until TPF when I can play it and then I'll be all the way in. And that's what happened. So for Predator, I'm sure there's people just like that. Like, I really want this game, but I mean my I I know someone that had a problem with ABBA or I played a queen at a show and it wasn't playing fine. just want to play it first and then I'll purchase. And so if these people were had access to the game and could play it, I think they would get their sales at least a jump of them then then they could do the FOMO for like a last push. Hello Don. I'm the person that sent you the email and Star Wars themed pinball. Oh dude, G Money, I want I want him to make me a game. This guy built himself his own standalone cabinet obstensively to play Star Wars virtual pins on. And he's got like what is that? Is that a 75 inch screen? He's got a rotated It rotates vertical or horizontal. The whole thing looks like it looks like that Monopoly dice rolling game when you go in the FEC's with the two screens right there and you roll the Monopoly die. It's like a t giant vertical cabinet with a rotatable screen and like a standup arcade panel there where you can play like the pinball games vertically or you can rotate horizontal for multicade. And the whole the finish on it looks great. All the blue LED lights that are behind there and everything. Um, send me some more pictures of that. I'm going to post it because it if you don't mind me sharing it because it looks awesome. And then tell me how much it cost you to make it and then tell me how much it would cost you me to have you make me one.
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kicking myself for not buying a demo ED butter with topper for 12k at TPF. Yeah, brother. Oh, didn't I tell you it's 55 in screen 4K? Damn, it looks nice, man. I want that. Like that commands a presence, you know? I don't want to buy one of these $6,000 multicades that look like just everybody else's multicade. I want I want that one. And I love the the functionality that you can rotate that screen vertically because what if you have like a vertical meme shooter and you could play it vertically like that. That's some innovation. That's some out of the box thinking. It looks like a commanding Star Wars presence. And I'm going to have my Star Wars premium from Stern. I'm going to have the new Star Wars from Stern, probably also a premium. And then I'm probably going to buy the the the Star Wars home edition. And I'll have like a whole Star Wars corner. So, think about this. I had a thought. Star Wars Home Edition, the one that's at Costco right now, the Home Edition Plus. Um, it's got a real playfield on it and it's like $4,000. Um, the playfield is full scale. The cabinet is not. Oh my god. The backbox has one of those tiny speakers, the cheap speakers that Stern puts in the Pros and Premiums. There's one in the home version. How much are they possibly saving by having exactly one of those cheap ass speakers? The good speakers are like 20 bucks. So like whatever. So, what if Okay, this is Don thinking I take all the components and everything out of that cabinet, toss the cabinet, I go buy a full-size cabinet or or build a full-size cabinet, drop that game in a full-size cabinet, and then just move all the components over, put better speakers in there, a bigger screen, redo a translite, and make myself my own custom Star Wars home edition, but in a full-size stern cabinet. I'll pause for comments on that amazing idea. I haven't played the Sega version of Star Wars that much, David. Um, I'd like to get some more time on it. G money, come on. I I'll give you a thousand bucks plus the cost of materials to build me one of those. I know it's a lot of work. What? Okay, Sterling, did you just say that before I said it or do you have the same idea? Do we have the same idea? Yeah, right. It's a full-size playfield. And the problem with the home editions has been the MDF. I didn't like that at all because if you need to screw in it and screw out of it, it's going to blow up. The thing's going to melt if it ever gets a drop of moisture on it. Now they're doing real playfields. It's probably because it's easier for them to manufacture, honestly. But imagine getting a Star Wars home edition and just throw it in a regulariz cabinet. Put good speakers in there. There's no subwoofer in it. Throw a sub in there. The Star Wars Home Edition sells for 8K on the Costco Canada website. Holy garbage. Holy garbage. Yeah, that was that occurred to me over like the last week. I'm like, you know what? There's nothing stopping me from grabbing a cabinet, throwing in there. Hell, um I could call uh Barrels of Fun and grab one of their uh extra cabinets they have for home brewers and throw a Star Wars home edition in that. Why not just buy the commercial Star Wars? Because I have the commercial Star Wars and I am a crazy person. The playfield will fit in a regular size. It's a fulls size playfield. That's like the playfield's full scale. The cabinet like height and everything is what's down. Andrew, there's something to be said about crazy ideas that you can come up with a hund hundred reasons not to do it. And you you're forgetting about the lulls. You're forgetting about the lols. Like why would somebody put this much time and effort into something like this? So I could bring it to a show and people can walk by and say, "Why did somebody put all that time and effort into doing that?" Is the play field shorter? Is it? Is it all right? Somebody get George Gomez on the phone. I'm gonna ask him. I Okay, so realistically, what I should do is go find a heavy metal um before the prices start going up because that has the same layout as Star Wars. I played it at Wizards World in the middle of Indiana um on a trip just like this one, similar to this one. and I played a heavy metal and I was like, "This is the home playfield, but like in a full-size cabinet with actual sound and everything and it was built properly and it was super fun." The only thing limiting from the Star Wars game is the code is pretty tight or not terribly great. Yeah, I'm I'm fairly certain they said it's exactly same scale playfield. I would love a heavy metal. I think only a hundred of them exist. Really, what I want is a Supreme Um, which I even thought about putting in all the You want to talk about wasted time and effort? I thought about putting in all the work to make a homebrew Supreme just so I could have a Supreme that wasn't $80,000. And I I think I could just about do it. I would need to get a playfield made. Um, but everything else I could do. Oh, I wish, man. That's my wife's dream theme. Uh, Christmas vacation. Yeah, that would be amazing. because I can. There you go. YOLO, right? But heavy metal would be a good compromise. On a side non-pinball note, how with Siren's Curse? All right, let's let's let me switch hats over to Dawn of the Magic for a moment. I've been to Cedar Point. It's uh about 20 minutes up the road from here. I've got a pass now. I've been there a couple times this season. I rode the new Dragster. I think it's I I think it's Battling Matterhorn for my top coaster like on the planet of the thousand plus coasters I've ridden. Top Throw Dragster 2. Amazing ride. Siren's Curse, their new coaster for this year, is a tilt coaster. So, you go up the lift hill, you go out on this cantalvered piece of track. Uh the train locks in place, the track tips 90°, and then releases you. And then it's a super smooth ride. So, the ride's amazing. I was I was expecting it to be a credit. Like, I'll ride it so I can say I rode it, but I wasn't expecting a whole lot. It's a phenomenal ride. Um, we absolutely can reskin a Star Wars home to Supreme. We'd have to do a topside tear down. Um, get the playfield reprinted and then go from there. But it's totally doable. And then I think we can get even get the code. Holy sh dude. Are we building a Supreme? I want a Supreme so bad. Not because it's a great game. Not because financially it makes good sense. I just want it. I just can I just want something? Some guys from Denmark, the Pinball Amigo guys, brought a homebrew of Despicable Media UK pinfest this weekend. It shot surprisingly well. Oh, dude, that's amazing. I think uh yeah, Minions pin. Yes, someone do a Minions pin. Um huge property from Universal. Um they make theme park rides on it. They're making sequel after sequel after sequel. It's a great property. Everybody loves bananas. Everybody wants the minion popcorn bucket. So yeah, make the game and like if you were looking for something to put in your arcade that would draw a general public over there. Oh my god, it's Minions. Let me play it. And I would definitely buy it. Uh it was Spike one. So yeah, I don't know. Um like how do we And Supreme just had like a dot matrix display too. [sighs] Why can't Supreme just like fall out of favor and like people are just giving them away for three grand? and I can pick one up because I don't want to like try to make a ton of money on it. I just want a Supreme. I have the banner. I had a banner made for Supreme and I keep it in my game room because it's awesome. Will you visit Eagle Flight roller coaster in Dubai when it opens up? No, because it's in Saudi Arabia, not in Dubai. So, I want to go to Dubai, but Eagle Flight the It'll it's the current tallest roller coaster. We can argue about that because the way they did it's a little little chintzy, but it it looks big and fast. It's in Saudi Arabia. I'm not opposed to going to Saudi. Um I just want to make sure it's like actually open. Jason never got to ride Top Throw Dragster. The original version or the new one? It was either a three-hour line after it opened. Yep. And it was shut down. Yep. That that makes sense. Their new uh ride opened last year. It was open for one weekend, closed the rest of the season. So that sucked. Minions would do great, man. Come on. Adult Swim. Yes, of course. Of course. Now, what company do we know that had a relationship with Adult Swim before? Here's the thing, though. Um, when Spooky did Rick and Morty, they were working with, I think, Adult Swim or Cartoon Network or whatever. And then, like almost all the way through the production, like Warner Brothers or someone bought them and then it was a totally different group of people that they had to work with for licensing and like it threatened to derail like the project right at the end at the finish line. And so I think working with the same people that own the property now, it's completely different from what those OG people were. What's the name of your coaster podcast? It's Dawn of the Magic because like it's a, you know, theme park uh Disneyish podcast. I used to go on roller coaster vacations with the kids one to two weeks at a time, one park after another. Dude, same Mark. Actually, I still do that. uh met up with a Patreon member, Stefan, who routes games in the Cleveland metro area, who was actually on the same roller coaster forum back in the day and went on some of the same coaster forum trips that I did. So, that's wild that like some of my coaster people have have found their way to pinball just like myself. Now, I really wanted to kick I wanted Dawn of the Magic to be like my primary podcast. And then I decided to try a pinball one first while I was learning the process. And then this has took off so much and it's been so much fun that it's been taking up all my time that I'm like trying to get back to like I still want to do the theme park podcast because it's still a big part of what I do but it's just like trying to find time to do it man. How about a trip to New Jersey? Check out Six Flags Great Adventure. I got more lines than Great Adventure. Fright Fest New York City fall in the Mid-Atlantic is nice. Allan correct. Um King Da the former tallest coaster in the world gone from Great Adventure. Andrew's going ziplining in Costa Rica in December. Oh, dude, that's fun. Um, I love me some zip lines. Actually, the first place I zipline, Dollywood in Tennessee. If anybody out there likes pinball and likes themed entertainment, like theme parks, if you have not been to Eastern Tennessee and gone to Dollywood, like, put it on your calendar for for some point throughout the year. It's great in any season, fall, spring, winter for the the Christmas stuff. Uh, summer is always a great time in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee. Like seriously, when we're done here, go Google it. Look it up on the map right now. Look at all the fun stuff there is to do around Dollywood. Oh my god. Amazing. El Toro's fine. It's it's it's too videl. It's like too much what I want. El Toro as a roller coaster at at Great Adventure in New Jersey. Uh, Intimmen did that or did RMC I think RMC retracted uh, No, no, that was that was a groundup build, wasn't it? Damn it, I'm forgetting. Anyway, it's like King Kong, right? King Kong from Elwin. Objectively, a great machine. Like top 10, but like I don't know if it's just that that's what we expect. So, it's not like really wowing us. Like, it's not like, "Oh my god, I got to tell all my family I got to get there and ride this thing or like I got to grab everybody and take them to play King Kong." It's like, oh yeah, King Kong objectively is a great game, but we kind of expect great games from Elwin, so it's not like terribly impressive. It's super fun to play, but like it doesn't have that theme integration that Jaws did and like that nostalgia to pull on. My kids hurt their neck on El Toro, easy to do. All of Pigeon Forge is amazing. G Money is right on the ball. Great pinball arcades in Gatlinburg as well. There are pinball arcades in Gatlinburg. Um, some of them are good. the one by their Space Needle. Um, it's it's one of those places where it's a huge free-to-play arcade and they call it a museum because if you call your giant free-to-play arcade a museum, then uh games don't break and go down, they just become visual exhibits, right? So, it's kind of like we have too many games that we can't take care of and we're going to call ourselves a museum. So, then when like 25% of our games are down, well, it's a museum. So, it's just it's a museum exhibit right now, you know? Andrew, I would love to play pinball on a Antonio Cruz ship. Um, I know uh Jeff at Mad Pinball, my homie Jeff Sinva Sievo, he's been taking cruises and he's been finding pinball on Antonio Cruz ships. And at first I'm thinking like, how does that work with the sway of the ship? But with the dampeners that are in there, you probably don't even notice. And if so, you know, it probably just adds like a little extra little element there. So, I went to pinball Olympics, right? Pinball Olympics at um yeah, go to Pigeon Forge, Andrew. Pinball Olympics at Expo. Uh it's in this guy's house. It's about an hour away. Uh costs, I don't know, 40 bucks or something to maybe it's $100. Um but they have all the games set up really wacky and it's kind of like a a self-paced tournament where you go around, you play all these tournament games, and each like you have to, you know, play them upside down, play them suspended, play them half hanging out of you have to play dirty hairy half hanging out of somebody's old dryer. It's nuts. Um, but in the garage they have a giant full-size turntable the size of a WWE wrestling ring and they had a pinball machine on the turntable constantly spinning 360 degrees and amazing feat of engineering. It was that subhumans homebrew when I was there. And so you're playing this pinball machine while you're rotating 360 degrees in this garage with smoke machines and stuff. The most disorienting thing ever. But like you're focusing on the machine and the ball is doing some weird stuff, right? It's definitely playable, but it's definitely weird cuz like, you know, one second the ball is kind of rolling down towards a flipper and then it kind of like slows down, stops, and like changes direction, heads off somewhere else. Almost like there's like the weirdest magnet or something going on. It's like playing a game in the Matrix. Like, it's so strange. Um, it was very fun to do, right? Like, it's challenging because you don't know exactly what's going to happen, but I don't know any other way to achieve that other than spinning slowly in a circle on a pinball machine. It was wild. Oh, dude. David played it. You got silver on it. Dude, I took gold on Indiana Jones where you had to you had to stand on that balance board and you had the uh the buttons in your hands as you're standing on this like teeter totter board, you know, trying to balance while you're playing. And there was a tilt sensor on it. So, if you went too far out of balance, the game would tilt. And so, I think I just relied on my skateboarding background. It was like just being locked into a manual playing pinball. So, like I took to that and I actually um I won on that one which was awesome. Don gold medalist. Yeah. Oh, sweet. Icon and Star of the Seas both have pins. Perfect. So, I've done Disney cruises. I haven't done Royal Caribbean. I really want to go on one of their giant ships and I want to try to play pinball at sea. I think that'd be fun. That Jenz is so hard. Dude, if you um Yeah, if you're not sure about like balance and stuff, it's like it could be impossible. But like I've got decades of skateboarding uh time put in into like locking in that balance. And so for me, I jumped on it. I'm like, dude, I think I can actually I think I could do well on this one. So, I don't know. I just got like locked in. I was like just playing pinball like it wasn't a thing. It was so fun. There was one right next to it where you have to lay underneath the machine. They move the buttons down to the legs. So, you're laying on your back supine with your head looking up at the coin box and there's a mirror over the game. So, you're laying on the carpet underneath the game looking up with the buttons on the legs while you're watching in the mirror and trying to play pinball upside down. Holy crap. Andrew, thanks for hanging out, buddy. Do they have two or three pins of pinball Olympics that have self-tilting playfields? Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. So, like if you haven't done pinball Olympics, like everybody's got to do that at some point. I competed in the uh treadmill challenge, too, and I almost almost it was it was something, you know, like you have to run basically full blast while you're playing pinball. That was wild. Um I held my own. I think I finished towards the middle of the pack. I wasn't the last and and I didn't die. So, that was a huge win for me. Huge win. Um, the only problem I have with pin with pinball Olympics is it's on a Saturday during expo and you basically lose like a ton of chunk of the day. I guess if you drive yourself out there and go for a couple hours, you could drive back, but like I mean, you could spend all day at this guy's house with just this this you got to experience it, you know? So, for me, it's not something I'm going to do every year, but I'm I'm so glad I did it once. It's nuts. Not to mention like just the fact there's a party going on and there's like tacos and all kinds of food and drinks and stuff. Yeah. Phenomenal experience, man. There's some there's some cool people in this damn hobby. So, man, we're getting into the end of summer now. Fall is around the corner. We're about to get a game dropped on us in like probably two weeks. It's the 24th of August. We've got one week left of this month. Then we're in September. A totally busy month for us. Um I'm starting a new job soon. Um, I got my house project coming to a close soon and I'll be able to talk more about that and then we're into expo time and we're going to have a new started expo. We're going to have a new remastered started expo likely. Um, there'll probably be some Evil Deads there to play that people are already have already purchased. Um, I'm hoping we get to play uh some Predator finally. Um, and I'm sure games will still be available. That would be the place to buy one, too. If you really want to get a Predator, go play it and if you like it, just pick it up from the show floor or find out what distributor they're using and and get one, you know, put your name on it or something because then you can just you can play it and if you like it, just take it with you. No tariffs, no shipping. Just, you know, and the game will probably be working because whatever would have broken would have broken and been repaired on the show floor. Or you can haggle and say, "Hey, this thing's broken. Knock some money off of it or keep it." Also, um the thousand Kickstarter Alice and Wonderland is supposed to be playable this year. So, they went from having a cabinet and an idea to having a $1,000 product um for sale and playable. I think their fatal flaw is the three/4ersiz ball because I just don't think that's going to be as fun to play with. It's going to feel like a toy. It's a thousand toy, you know, but like there's a gap between Yeah, it can't cost any more than that because if they were asking $2,000 for this thing and made it more robust, you'd look at a a Star Wars home edition and be like, "Well, I'm just going to get that instead when it goes on discount for like 4,200, right?" But I I think there is a market for all of us for a machine probably a little bit smaller than Alice in Wonderland with a full-size pinball and just like some flippers, a pop bumper or two, and some gameplay. And then make this thing a tabletop device. Make this thing a a self-encclosed little cabinet that you can put on your coffee table. So while you're sitting there in the living room watching TV, you can actually sit there and play some pinball, right? like make it um maybe maybe even just the scale of like a lower play field but with a fullsize ball. So you can sit there and hit orbits, you know, and nudge around and and pop some pop bumpers and put a ball in a lock and hit a couple of tiny little wire forms. Uh put a physical ball lock in there and then maybe do a multiball. That might be too much. Um, but I I think, you know, like something something the size that it would easily be portable, you could put on a coffee table, but that had real mechanisms in it, real sound, and a real theme. Like a pinball manufacturer can make this as their counterpart to their game. Uh, like what if you could rip out like the lower playfield from Evil Dead and just play it standalone on your table or um, you know, like the little crab mech from Avatar and play it on your table? Like is it just a little Happy Meal toy size thing? picked up a cheap Zizzle many years ago. Yeah, I play I remember playing those and um yeah, I I don't know that I would get into one of them. If this next machine from Stern is Star Wars, and it has all the video assets from episodes four, five, and six, it's an absolute buy from me, me as well, and everybody else, and that's why they're doing it. And I remember playing Star Wars before I bought one, and even after I purchased it. Whoa, just got dark in here. Um, let me see if I can let some more light in. Uh, oh, that washed out everything. Stuck Star Trek back there, man. Look at that. It's Star Trek. Um, I remember saying like this license is so big that you could just make another Star Wars machine and I don't think it would be like redundant, right? I don't think it would be redundant at all. Um, because the license is so good. And I look at the stern Star Wars that they have now. And for me, that feels like you're playing more of a space battle, right? You're hitting the TIE fighter, the Death Stars floating there in space. You know, you don't feel like you're on Endor. You know, even when you're fighting the Rancor, it's like I'm still feel like like I'm playing in a space battle, right? You have the TIE fighter multiball and then the big multiball to to blow up the Death Star and the celebration afterwards. It's very X-wing focused. So Stern Star Wars to me feels like I'm playing a space battle. You know, John Wick feels like I'm playing a battle through a building where I'm fighting people. Uh Star Wars is like I'm in space and I'm just having a space battle. The Millennium Falcon is right there. The asteroid video scene, like all of that is just space. So, make a Star Wars machine that takes me through the the scenes from the movie in more of a classical way like we would have seen. And I think they could be great counterparts. I'm so happy they're doing it if the rumor is true, which it seems like it is because that's all people are saying. Yes. All right. So, if you have if Mandalorian had had a layout that wasn't butt awful. I have a couple of problems with Mandalorian. Um, the fan layout's not even a problem. It's just there's not much they really did with it. And if you think of like the big draws of that game, like the big weenies, right? The big things that draw your attention in Grou back there taking up all that real estate doing absolutely nothing and then the tilting upper playfield taking up a lot of real estate, a lot of building material and it's not really fun at all. And like that's the back third of the game. That's the prime real estate. You know, that's where the Evil Dead cabin is. That's where the Godzilla building is. Um that's where the shark comes up out of the playfield on Jaws. That's where the Foo Fighters upper playfield is. And you don't have any of that in Mandalorian. You have plastic ramps or wire forms. You've got fan shots. You've got great scenes. The part about that game I love the themes and then also getting into the modes and watching like the ice spiders and the cave and uh you know some of the other modes that are in there. I like going into the shop and buying perks for the game. I like hitting the action button and setting everything on fire and then hitting shots to get more points. I love all of that. I love none of the big things they put in that game that you're supposed to love. They do nothing. I wasn't aware that John Papadiuk was a designer on the Zizzles. Oh, they had a great podcast that the wedge heads about him and I guess it's the only Papa game I ever owned. Ha, that's funny. I I also didn't know that these guys at Wedge Head like are actually knowledgeable about pinball in a way that I am definitely not. I'm enthusiastic about pinball and I'm learning more every day, but like deep lore like that. Um, yeah, that they're the guys for it. What if it turns out to be an Andor Rogue One Star Wars pin? God, Rogue One was so disappointing. It had so much potential and then it just got studioed to death. Some of those cool scenes in the trailer that I was like locked in on like I can't wait to see this movie. I love these scenes. They weren't even they weren't even in the final film. What What are we doing? I love that. I love that every time uh it's deep lore for me, David. Um Grou should have grabbed the ball in the back, right? And like he should have shot multiballs out of his mouth or something like, you know, frog baby multiball and he or you know starts coughing stuff out or do something, you know, maybe not on the pro, but like on the premium he should be back there like King Kong. Maybe that's where Kong idea came from. They looked at Grou and like what they wanted to do back in the day but couldn't find a way to do it and then they're like we're going to do it on Kong. Andor was loads better than Rogue One. I still haven't seen Andor but it sounds great and it's just a matter of like I need time to sit down and watch it. Best topper. Best topper at Stern maybe. Kenneth, what's up my friend? You're in line for Great Bear at Hershey Park. Front row is the only row I'll ride Bear on because the the view is incredible. So, if I'm going to wait in that long line, I'm going to jump in and wait three more trains for the front row. I love how they do the front row on Great Bear at Hershey Park. It's a B&M inverted coaster. One of those ones where the the coaster is hanging down beneath the track. And so, like super fun layout, lots of loops and things. Really unique layout. Maybe not the most exciting one, but it's built all around the creek at Hershey Park with a lot of dives down to the water. And the views in the front row are incredible because you're unencumbered. And so a lot of places if you want to wait for the front row, it's like an extra half hour. But the way they have the queue set up at Hershey Park, it's like one little uh bend. And so once you get up there and you want to choose a row, seriously, it's like a two or three train wait for the front row on Great Bear. It's worth doing every single time. So Ken, that's my idea. Tell everybody in line I said what up first off. Tell them to like and subscribe. Um Hershey Park used to be my home park. I lived in Hershey, Pennsylvania, and what a place. After work, you could just go over to the park, grab some food, go on some rides, go on the log flume, coal cracker. Love it, man. Wildcats Revenge. Incredible ride. Yeah, Hershey Park is is killing it, man. I love that park. I was there every week for years. What up in line for Gri? Yeah. So, um, Hershey Park Company picnic lines. Oh, shoot. All right. Yeah, it's that time of year, but that means that 4 PM people will probably be leaving. Grou should have grabbed the ball in the back. I know. Or at least had a magnet in front of him where like it would grab and then, you know, some some projection lights on him could go off and then like the force would happen. But it just feels like there's something missing from Mandalorian. And I don't think it's the rules in gameplay or modes or assets. I think those are all fine. I just think somewhere the design went sideways and maybe there were concepts. I'm sure they had ideas that Grou was going to be more interactive and do some things and it probably just wasn't working and deadlines were coming up and they're like that's how we end up with a static Grou. Come on. And then um I don't like the the dangly thing that hangs off the razor crest. Man, I would just have put a spinner there. It would have been more satisfying than just watching that set of truck nuts underneath the razor crest that you're just like smacking. I cringe every time it happens. Like, oh, I just hit the scrotum of a Mandalorian ship. It makes no sense to have something dangling off a ship. It makes just as much sense to put a spinner there. So, put a spinner there with an opto and boom. I'd want to rip that like constantly. Otherwise, it's like you're going through a swinging saloon door. That's stupid. Best topper. Most expensive topper, $2,000. Great use of the Pepper's ghost effect. I don't like the rest of the plastic that's in it. And maybe the Avatar topper walked so that the or the Mandalorian topper walked so the an the Avatar topper is great because the Mandalorian topper came out first and showed everybody how to do it. I love the Avatar topper. I was playing Avatar LE over at the Arcade on Detroit in Lakewood, Ohio, Cleveland area, hanging out with Mad. Thanks for that came out to hang out with us. Um, I was playing Avatar LE and I was having a great game on it. I was having a lot of fun. I still I agree with Enzo. I think Avatar's underrated. Not criminally so like Texas Chainsaw Massacre, but definitely underrated. And now that the price has come down, I think it's I think it's worthwhile going in on it. Rob Burke from the Pinball Expo is calling me right now. I'm gonna have to call you back, sir, while we're on live stream. Otherwise, how fun would it be to have him join? I don't know how to do that on the road here. I have to call Rob Burke, but I should I'll just talk to him. Let's see what he says. Hey, Rob Burke. How you doing?
Sorry, one more time. Sorry, I'm doing a live stream right now, but go ahead.
Oh, I I would take a double wide, but single if that's all you got room for. I still need to go register for that.
A 10 by 10 or 10 by 20. Oh, yeah.
We're doing layout. That's what I'm asking.
Oh, can we do a 10 x 20? Do you have room for that? I'll fill it up. I'll make it exciting.
What name would it be under?
Uh, just uh you can put it under my name, Don Garrison. Or or you know, the topper contest or top topper contest.
Yeah. Okay, let's do that. Yeah, if it's going to be on a map, I think Chad agrees. hasn't been paid yet. I was taking note of that.
All right, brother.
Perfect. I'll get that in today.
Thank you, sir.
Bye.
Rob Burke, what a guy, right? Okay. So, I guess talk about that a little bit. Uh I'm doing a topper contest at Expo. Um and I have a 10 by 20 booth, it sounds like. And uh homebrew toppers. If you've made a homebrew topper or you know what, you've got like three months, throw one together. Um bring it down Thursday. Hell, even bring it down Friday if you want. We're going to have toppers on public display if you're at Pinball Expo. Uh you're going to get a raffle ticket in your registration packet when you pick up your materials. Um take that ticket over and check out all the homebrew toppers and put that ticket with your phone number on it in to vote. Uh there'll be little little uh jars set up for each topper. You can go put the one that you think is the coolest for whatever reason. All right. Whoever gets the most votes, whoever made that topper is going to get some prizes. And I think I'm going to have prizes for like the first place, second place, third, and it looks like even more. So, you've got a great chance of winning something if you just enter this damn thing. It's free to enter. Just build something. Okay. And then I'm going to randomly draw a person that voted and I'm going to give them a playfield. Um either Scooby-Doo or a uh Willy Wonk. I've got one of each to give away. Uh so, you have a great chance just by voting to win yourself a prize. It's going to be at Pinball Expo. It's going to be running the whole time the the thing's going on. Uh, judging will be Saturday. We'll tally the votes Saturday afternoon, probably two o'clock. We'll announce winners. You're going to have to be present to win, okay? Because I'm going to have a play field. I don't want to ship the damn thing to you because it's like 60 bucks to ship these things. So, um, I'll just keep drawing people that voted until we get someone that's there and then that person's gonna get a prize. So, tons of free prizes at Expo just for stopping by and voting. And if you've got a topper at home that you've made and you have some way to bring it in, go ahead and bring in an enter in this thing and uh you got a great chance on getting some stuff, man. Plus, it's going to be fun. Show off your work. Make a diarama. Get a box of lights. Throw go grou in a jar. Whatever you need to do. Bring that topper into the homebrew area at Expo. It's going to be phenomenal. So, there's Yeah, there you go. Rob, we did it. We told everybody new World Cup soccer pin for next year. I'd play it. I have calling live on the stream. I told him we were live. He's been wanting to join. Um I want to find a way to like bring people in so they can be like we well we could be split screen here, you know. Yeah, dude. Dude, everybody come by. So, um it might it might only be like the first 500 or so people, too. Um how whenever we run out of tickets, but um just write your phone number on the ticket. Come by. There'll be all the toppers there and each one will have a little voting box or voting jar next to it and you just put your ticket in the one that you think is your favorite and then uh we'll tally the votes up throughout the the expo and then Saturday we'll announce top votes. My hope is to also get some tickets into the hands of industry people Stern, Spooky, JJP, Pinball Brothers, Pinball Adventures and I'll let them vote. I'll give them a different colored ticket and then we can see what the industry thinks their favorite topper was and then what the people's choice favorite topper is and everybody gets prizes, right? Because because more people are hearing about this. I got some awesome stuff to give away. Um I'm going to announce it here that the electric playground who's making a King Kong topper has donated one of those that will be given away to the top topper competition prize winner. You get actual King Kong freaking topper. Go put it on your car. Uh, go put it on your Toyota Echo. Uh, go give it to your friend, gift it to your ex-wife, whatever you want to do. Um, but but thank you for doing that. Um, their topper is about to be released, too. I think I got the email because I'm on the list. Um, it's going to be, of course, you know, stacked acrylics, but they're putting a screen up there, which is kind of awesome. And I think they're leaving the screen open to be able to like throw an SD card in there and play whatever the hell you want, which Yes. Yes. That's gonna invite some craziness. What if you could put a camera and like live stream your gameplay to your topper? So the topper screen would have like your gameplay as you're playing. Talk about a lot of effort for something that's weird and stupid. All right, let's catch up with comments. Um, used to come here a lot when I was a kid. Miss Falcon and Kenya Rapid Res. Me too. Me too, sir. Magnet under Goou Grou. I think he meant Gorogu. Um, but it doesn't do anything, right? It's not like like he grabs the magnet and like the ball levitates or something or like the ball shoots around that area or that there's projections mapped on the ball or something or like he shoots a laser from his eyes and the ball disappears and falls under the playfield like Metallica, you know, like anything interesting. God, man. How about the ball like crawled up his body like a worm? Monsters Inc. pinball. How come there is no Disney excluding Star Wars? because Disney's expensive and Disney doesn't return phone calls. And the conspiracy-minded person in me thinks that Stern has Disney locked up, right? Um, we all know the CEO came from Disney Plus. Probably a lot of connections. Um, Stern apparently has a deal with Disney. I've heard this before and it seems to be true that they just have a Disney property license locked up every year. So that's where you get a Marvel pin, a Star Wars pin, another Marvel pin, another Marvel pin. Like that's what that deal is. So, you know, we got Avengers Infinity Quest, Deadpool, uh Venom, uh X-Men, Star Wars, uh what else is Disney, Mandalorian, right? There's been like a Disney property pin from Stern every year. Every year we get one. Elwin's done one. Eddie's done one. Um, I don't know. Has Borg done one? He's gonna he's gonna Yeah. Um, and I think that that's why they were doing Indiana Jones because that was Disney, too. You know, so I think the fact is that Stern just has a relationship with those licensers. And, you know, if anybody else tries to call Disney, they're like, "Oh, the other pinball companies are calling." But we just partner with Stern. That's all we do. Um, why aren't there Disney toys in Burger King's Kids Club meals? Because they're locked in with McDonald's. Same kind of thing. Toy Story 4 was Disney. That was Disney. Uh that was a JJP. Um Pirates of the Caribbean was JJP. Avatar was Disney. JJP. So that's Yeah, you're right. You're right. So the JJP seems to be in with them, too. Um, I was going to say, you know, Toy Story 4, maybe that was with Pixar originally, but then Disney got involved because it was just going to be Toy Story and then it became Toy Story 4 because I think by the time that they got ready to really get this thing out there, they were like, "Wait, we have this new movie coming out. We want that one." So Pixar is Disney, but it's more like Disney was floundering in their um in their their their design studio, uh which was called The Secret Lab, and that's when things like Meet the Robinsons came out. Do you remember that movie, that computer animated Disney film? You don't? Because it was horrible, right? And Pixar was killing it with their animations. And so with this floundering studio at Disney weakened and Pixar being super strong, it was a situation where like Disney technically bought Pixar, but it was more like the Pixar people forced Disney to buy them so they could then go over and be in charge of Disney's feature animation for computer graphics and things. So similar thing just happened with Six Flags and Cedar Fair, right? Cedar Point, great great uh park. Knottzberry Farm, Great Park, all run by Cedar Fair. Six Flags is a bigger company, but their their rides are run like crap and their parks are operated terribly. And so Six Flags was failing and so they ended up kind of buying or merging with Cedar Fair and they transition the Six Flags name to the new entertainment corporation, but it's really Cedar Fair that's like trying to make Six Flags better. So Pixar definitely made Disney better, right? like Toy Story, Inside Out, um The Incredibles, like like Bug's Life, like they were just killing it. They were out Disneying Disney. And Disney was coming out with Meet the Robinsons, which you didn't see because no one saw it. Who's the villain from Meet the Robinsons? Remember that guy? Bowler Hat guy. Yeah. Horrible. A stupid movie. Um I think they're doing stuff like Chicken Little, Home on the Range. like they weren't doing good at this time and then Pixar came in there and just snatched it up. Wonka being Toy Story. That's some deep pinball lore. I almost broke my neck on that launch coaster at Hershey Park. I was leaning forward when it launched. Yeah, it's a hydraulic launch. It's probably the weakest of the three that were made or four. Accelerator, King, Topthrow, Dragster, Stormrunner at Hershey Park. Um, oh, Canon I guess was the smallest one that was at Leisberg in Sweden. I wrote it out there. It is now in near De Mo, Iowa at Lost Island. So, you can go ride the Swedish hydraulic launch coaster from Intimin. The smallest version of it and it's now over there. Disney theme park pin. Yep. Monro wireforms taking different parts for the firework wizard mode. Yep. I would love an Epcot pin. I think Spaceship Earth right there in the middle. Come over there. I don't think anybody else would like it as much as I would. World Showcase orbit around the lagoon. Um, yeah. or or just take like uh Disney rides and make a pen out of that. You know, Disney's been dipping in and making movies out of their rides, right? Pirates of the Caribbean, Haunted Mansion, Jungle Antonio Cruz. Um I think there was rumor to be other ones. I think there was a treatment for Tiki Room, right? Um Jungle Antonio Cruz was a fun movie. Pirates of the Caribbean was unstoppable. And so if it worked in movies and it works in theme parks, it can work in pinball as well. Some of the greatest pinball machines came from movies that weren't even any good. So, if Jungle Antonio Cruz is an awesome ride at Disney, Disneyland is the best version of it. Um, if it's an awesome ride and made a good movie, it would make a great pin. The movie doesn't even have to be good to be a good pin. Look at Johnny Pnemonic, Last Action Hero, uh, Dirty Harry, Toy Not Toy Story 4. Um, what was I what was I gonna say? Another great film, Lethal Weapon 3, right? Really cool. Judge Dread. Cool games. Terrible films. Terminator. Great film. Great game. Hall of President's pin. All right, Eric. You just killed that idea. Hall of President. How about Hall of Muppets? Can we get a Would you guys Who else is into a Muppet pinball machine besides me? Am I the only one? I love the Muppets. They're retheing Rock and Roller Coaster at Disney's Hollywood Studios at Disney World. They're getting rid of Aerosmith, also a pin title, and they're bringing in the Muppets to theme Rock and Roller Coaster. Scooter, his uncle, bought GeForce Records or whatever, and so the Electric Mayhem is going to the concert, and y'all are on for the ride. So, like, how fun would a Muppet show pinball machine be? like just full of Muppets mayhem, silly gags, fun little mechanisms, weird modes, you know, cover. Um, the topper could be Stantler and Waldorf, like just criticizing you as you're playing. Barrels of Fun should be the company to do this because I want them to do a Muppets topper like their labyrinth topper, and I want them to put cool mechanisms and sculpts in the game, and they already worked with Jim Hansen before, so like it makes total sense to do that. Um, I'm I'm not I don't have a Dune because Dune is Brown and Timothy Shalomé, great actor, doesn't really bring me into pinball. Um, I want to play with the newer code, but Muppets, come on. I don't They wouldn't They'd have a problem keeping that game in stock. They They'd have a problem because their pockets would be too stuffed with cash to walk. That's the problem that they would have if they did a freaking Muppet pin. puppet show pin. An all dude, I So, uh, Disney just released a lot of the concept art for this new ride rethe. And it looks amazing. The pre-show has animatronic. Penguins in it, probably from their 3D Muppet show. Scooter's an animatronic. The Electric Mayhem is on the screen in the back where Aerosmith was. And then I'm sure there's going to be like loads of sight gags all throughout the queue, which is going to be amazing. that that ride is still super popular. Even the single rider line is over an hour. Um, and they're keeping Muppets in the park. And so, I'm telling you, man, Muppets is a great theme. It's great for theme parks. It's great for movies. Great for pinball. You can license it because they've already worked with uh with the Jim Henson Company. So, Barrels of Fun, you know, make your money on Dune, get your experience from building games and mechanisms and things, and then bring me a Muppet Show pinball machine. So, I would do I would do The Muppet Show. Um, that was like the the first big television program. Um, it was done like a uh like a variety show, so like it would fit for like pinball. It's like we're coming in. It's got a great theme song already and it had scores of guest stars and hopefully you could get some of them in there. I mean, Mark Dick Hamill made appearances. Every musical act was on the Muppet Show. Um, and it was just like zany and crazy and and the skits, it was kind of like Saturday Night Live but with Muppets. So you had uh Pigs in Space, right? Um, like their Star Trek ripoff where it was all pigs and like Miss Piggy and they were like in space because it's Pigs in space. Um, you know, so there could be like this subplot of you're trying to get the show together, some like malady is happening and you have to coordinate everything and like, you know, complete the show scenes and like so pigs in space could be one. Um, shout out some other classic stuff from the Muppet Show. You know, I think Disney's finally getting their crap together. The new Beacon Barrel Tavern looks cool. Yes, it does. Shocker. So, yeah. I wouldn't do like a Muppets film. Unless it was Muppets Family Christmas because that was the best. But like, you know, do the Muppet Show and then see if you could integrate like um a video mode with the Fraggles or something just so like those Fraggles in there. Um see if you could bring some ch children's television workshop characters in there so Big Bird can make an appearance, you know? Snuffalophagus could pop up as like a like a bonus mystery prize or something. Just like little little bits just from all of that. Hilton's here. What's up, buddy? Muppets by Barrel to Fund could be awesome. Definitely want that Waldorf from Statler Topper. Yes. SHOULD WE PLAY ANOTHER GAME? WE have to, you fool. We're stapled TO THE TOPPER. OH, LIKE come on. Um, you know, you could do like like uh tons of jokes with Fuzzy Bear, right? And they're like they're all failing and like the topper is criticizing him. Well, the bear is trying to drown us. What kind of act is that? An act of mercy, you know? Oh, all that stuff is right there. They've also done some edgy adult humor stuff. So, that's the best part of Muppets is like there was it was it was hippies making this stuff. So, like obviously it appealed to families and children, but there was adult subtext there that went right over the kids' heads, but like the adults caught it. It's like, god, this is funny stuff, you know? Yeah. I mean, this this this game writes itself. Barrels, come on. I told him that when Labyrinth came out. I'm like, dude, just just be them be the Jim Henson Muppet freaking pinball company. Do Muppet Treasure Island, Muppets from Space, The Muppet Show. Yes. Electric Mayhem can be in there doing all the music. Yes. Bunson and Beaker. You got to have like their lab, you know, and like like think of hitting the the the ball mechanism from X-Men for the beast's lab, but that's like Beaker and and uh Honeydew, right? Like Beaker could be a little leaper that's on there, you know? when you're you're powering up the Muppets Lab to get as much 3D entertainment as possible and then the whole thing explodes and there's like a bonus mall mode or like an insanity mode from Evil Dead, but you have to build up all the pressure in Beaker's Lab and then the whole thing explodes and there's like projections and lights and mayhem and like 17 multiballs and like everything is lit, you know, and you just play this crazy mode. I think we could workshop this game right now and just bring it all in under just the Muppet Show as a theme. Um, so you're trying to just get all the modes done so like the show can actually go off and like be successful. How was your Arnold impression? I could definitely do at least as good as they did. Come on, get over here. You don't need Ryan Policky and the governor or um yeah, I can't do it right now. The Fraggles Underground Playfield. Perfect. Hey, Gobo. Oh, hey, Wimbley. Oh, dude, you could do like a mystery awards with like Uncle Traveling Mac where he travels off to a different area and then awards like a prize. So much you could do. So much you could do. I would love a Fraggle lower playfield. Like the Fraggles live underneath the Muppet Show Theater. We got this thing going, man. I'm excited. Get uh get uh David Van Es on the phone. Mark, you get that P3 talk the hell out of here. I don't want them taking all those great themes and ruining them with P3. Does Multimorphic not have the best themes in pinball? Portal. Weirdowl. Princess Bride. Oh my god. Where aren't these actual pinball machines? Where are the actual machines? [laughter] I hate it. Doozers. Yes, I would put doozer uh mods in mine. I love the the doozers. Um the gourds, right? Like the the Fraggle Rock uh ogres. Oh, now I want a Fraggle Rock pin. Barrels make two pins. Um, to answer Hilton from earlier because you got Steamroller with Muppet content. Uh, yeah, Star Trek is great. I got it working. I got it working. Um, I think there's a couple of loose wires still for some of the drop or standup targets. Um, I could I can fix that when I get it home. But, uh, game is functional now. I replaced the fuses. It was two fuses and the power distribution board. Um, and it was a ribbon cable that had come unplugged. So, not not not all too bad. Puppet up improv from the Muppet Actors. I've seen some of that. That is fantastic. The two old guys of the upper playfield as bash toys. Either either that or they're the topper. But yeah, Stantler and Waldorf have to be up there. Let's go, you fool. Oh, he's got an extra ball. I guess we're stuck here longer. Like I would love this game. I would just leave it on track mode. Just let him talk to me. It was the best part of the having Labyrinth was having the topper just every couple of minutes just start talking to me. great. So, you know, when I heard Dune was rumored, like in my head, I'm thinking they got to be doing Muppets next. And then it was Dune and I'm like, that's like the opposite of Muppets. That's Brown Sand. That's like the That's like all the boring scenes from Star Wars, but like it's a whole film. I get that it's like a classic drama and it's like heralded and was like like a book first and it's basically like Lord of the Rings for a certain group of people, but it just wasn't like ah I just can't wait to jump into Dune. I'm gonna call my my friends and family and be like, "I got Dune. Get over here." It's fun to play the game. I like I like the shots, especially the orbits. I like the spinners. I like what they've done. I don't like playing a game one-handed. I didn't like it on Avatar. I don't like it anytime I want to have both flippers. I don't want to just feel like I have one and I got to switch back and forth. Very innovative mode. I've been able to complete it, but it's like it's kind of a drag for me and I haven't really been able to get my hands on like the new code. Let's ask Hilton though, like how's Dune doing for you? He's got he's got one at IOK that he's operating. Um, have you had to put in an extra cash box because it fills up so quick? Hilton, let us know. I can't wait to So, I've talked to David um about like the vision for Dune, where they want to get it to, and it's honestly pretty impressive. So, I I wanted to get there. Um hopefully I'll get some time on Dune um here pretty soon. Hopefully, they're shipping them. If anybody's got pinite open, are there any Dunes for sale yet? What's it going for? Because that was the other thing. there was a price increase from Labyrinth to Dune and it's like it's a theme I'm less passionate about and like the code was not there yet and the price was higher so it was like I just you know I'm I'm not a I'm not a early adopter here and I don't think they could blame me. guys. Fun. All right. So I'm glad I'm getting the Muppet Show out there. I want to get it into more people's heads that it should be made. I'm so dark here. Um, mainly because the more that people ask for it, the more likely it is to happen. And I know they got themes lined up. Um, but I haven't seen that Muppets is one of them, and I want it to be, so I'm putting it out there. Cool. So, all right. Jason's got a Dune. You got it last week. Uh, any word on the accessories? I want to see the topper. Jason, did your Dune come with the plastic topper? because I don't even know if I've seen that yet. Okay. Is it So, I do like the fact that um a pin is coming out close to when a movie is being released because back in the day, all those movies, right? Uh Jurassic Park, Godzilla, um Lethal Weapon 3, uh like they were all made around the time that the game came out. Like Terminator 2, didn't that come out like when the movie did, like as part of like the launch of it? I would love to see that. take a risk on a film that's not released yet. The film might come out and underperform and be totally terrible, but that's where we got the best pinball machines from. Like these like kind of moderate loser themes. All right, so it has a plastic topper now. Cool. Cool. Dave is good to work with. I love it. Bubbles would be a great theme. Has to make the player laugh or smile. Yeah, like I want to be laughing my ass off playing pinball. I do that with Rick and Morty. What are some other What are some other funny games? Like the Alvivra games with the Inuendo. They're reservicing the parking lots outside. Um, Elvra's funny. Um, what was funny? Labyrinth is funny. Rick and Morty's very funny. I feel like I want more more funny pins than I want dramatic pins. Yeah, that's awesome. T2 got the script before the movie is released. I like that. I like that. Um, so let's get back to that. like um you know some major tentpole production get a game in development to come out parallel with it you know cuz we're talking about Back to the Future the pinball machine coming out it's like that movie's from the 80s Jaws from the 80s some other rumored games or 80s titles which works on the nostalgia but it would be fun to like hey this movie just came out and I got the game for it and the movie sucks and the game is incredible so eat it. Deadpool's funny correct. How did I miss that one? Deadpool's great. Um, I don't like the layout. Is that controversial? I wonder if the people that like Bond are also the people that really like Deadpool's layout. Deadpool's fine, but like if its layout was was killer, I'd have it. Is Venom's layout better than Deadpool? Controversy. Like Deadpool's fine if that was the pro, but like if the premium had more in it because that was another game where the premium didn't add much. It added drop targets. Thank you. I like that. It took away the the hanging Deadpool on the hammock, which I didn't like. It put in sculpts, which don't matter. Um the Chim Chunga van's kind of cool. The stupidest thing though, right, that that little orbit ramp that lifts the ball up so it can just come out of the shooter lane and over into the in lane. That's stupid, right? Like that's dumb. Yeah. So, I think I mean I I I played Bond the other day. I had some great games on it. It was fun, but I'm not it's not like on my list that I really want to get this in my home and just learn it. Not like this. This was cool. So, Deadpool is another game that like well, it would be a game that I got home and then I played it a little bit at first and then just kind of quit going back to it probably. The only Berios barbecue challenge was for sale at Pinfest for 4500 pounds. I heard it's playing better now. I think they did some code updates that help with the uh the flipper mechanism power. Um but uh yeah, Burio's barbecue challenge, Burio Sales Challenge, Barriio buried the company. I I mean it's it's a pinball machine, so I do have fun playing it. It's got some novel things to it. I like the bash lock idea. I'm not convinced it's entirely brand new, but okay. I like the bash locks. I don't like the spinners on the ramps. I think they kill the momentum too much. I think if the spinners were further down the ramp, but I like to like rip a spinner in an orbit. Like that's the best place for it. Okay, the disco loops. Yeah. All right. So, I haven't done a lot of that. It feels nice and satisfying. Hard to keep the snicked target where it needs to be so it works consistently. Oh, okay. So, we got we got a bomb guy here with John and he doesn't love the Deadpool layout. I just wish that it feels like there's something that's missing from it, you know? Like, I don't know that it needs like an upper play field, but like just something for the premium. And Bond was another game where the premium really didn't add much. The underwater scene is not even interactive. Um, I don't like how the scoop shoots the ball up up the the play field. Um, the extra wire form that the balls lock in, while I like physical ball locks, it's weak. It's weak on John Wick, too. Uh, I wish that was like there was more to that. Um, I think the scoop eject wire form mod from Australia that puts the ball back in the wire form. That should have been on the premium. I think that would have been fun if it if it like if there was a diverter so the ball could shoot up but also like shoot up the playfield but also could shoot directly up into the wire form. I think that would be fun for the premium. And then the bond on the wand does nothing for me. It's not really fun. I don't know. I'm looking to trade Deadpool now. I've had it along enough to make room for something new. Yeah. I mean, like I wouldn't I wouldn't hate either Bond or Deadpool to rotate through the collection. Um but I but you know, when it comes to paying the money for it, there's like 10 other games I'd rather have that I'm going to get instead. Yeah. Um Bond is definitely better to play now. There's a lot in there. Uh, whatever happened to Ramp's road trip? Uh, I think he's still on the road. Or can we say it? Can we say that Ramps is roadkill? Um, yeah. I I think uh I think those guys had the idea that they were going to build this game and they were going to be able to get like $7,500 for them and they were going to make 150 and No. No. Um, I I think it's it's a it's a really good homebrew. Um, but it doesn't feel like commercial quality yet. Uh, it was hard to get up the center ramp. We gave him a lot of feedback. Hopefully, they took that feedback and they're engineering everything to really just be an awesome shooting game. Um, but I still don't think it's, you know, I don't think it's any more than like a $5,800 game new. You know, you can't take a home brerew and u powder coat it and expect to get like stern premium prices for it. And unfortunately, I think for the cost of operations to make a boutique pinball game of like only a run of a hundred and like buying all the equipment and everything, like you need to be getting, you know, $8,000 for your game to even have any kind of margin. And I just don't think I don't think all the the the math is there for Ramps Road Trip. Bond on a Wand is underrated, I guess. What do you think of Hot Wheels? I've had some fun games on Hot Wheels. I think it's a perfectly serviceable pinball machine. I don't think it's exciting in any way. I think the screen's too small. I don't like the animations. Um it doesn't really have any modes in it. It's, you know, as an arcadey game to play because everything else is taken. I think it's fine. Um I think, you know, if you are general public, you you'll go up to it and play it not knowing any better and it'll make some money for you. I think it's American Pinball's most successful game. Um, but there's nothing exciting there. Um, it's about as exciting as a bowl of gravy. Yeah. Yeah. Like like why would you buy Hot Wheels if you go by I'd rather buy I'd rather buy Deadpool and Bond. God, those games are like they have modes, they have code, they have humor, um, they have movie clips, right? Like Hot Wheels has none of that. and the the the random Hot Wheel car zip tied to a stick that spins is stupid. That's stupid. So, while it is fun to play, you know, Burio's Barbecue Challenge is fun to play, but it's not fun to spend real world money to own. And, you know, in a lineup of any more than than three games, I'm not going to go play Hot Wheels. There's a pizza place in the Dells that has a Hot Wheels uh a Monsters Premium or no Monsters Pro and a Jurassic Park Pro. And so like I'll go there and like while Monica's playing one of the other games, I'll go play Hot Wheels. But there's only three games there and there's not a lot of pinball in the Dells. But other than that, like I'm not screaming to go go play Hot Wheels. If you put Hot Wheels next to um Valhalla and next to Oktoberfest, I think I would turn around and walk out of your pizza place. Valhalla is a fun game, but you know, uh yeah. So, I put it like this. If the game was $2,000, which is basically free in pinball terms, would I drive an hour to go pick it up? And the answer is probably no. Hot Wheels needed a loop. 100% Mark. Yeah. I mean, it needed it needed it needed ramps. That should there should have been that should have looked like uh like Richie's No Fear, right? Just tons of ball pass, multiple levels, really fast shots, Hot Wheels ripping around everywhere. And it's more like, you know, hit the RPM targets and then listen to that ratchet sound. It was like a pinball theme or a pinball game that was themed around a garage at a Hot Wheels racetrack. So, there wasn't actually any racing. It was just like the garage area. It was like being at the tire service area of Costco or going to Walmart and hanging out waiting for your oil change. That's what that game felt like. Barry O's. If Barry Os was $2,000 and and an hour away, would I go get it? I don't think I would. Even though I think I could probably sell it for 2,800, I still don't think I would even. It wouldn't be worth the time to do it. I'd feel too weird. I'd have to sit and list that on Pinside and try to get like $2,800 for Burio's barbecue challenge. Like, there's no excitement. Again, it's like it's supposed to be about barbecue and it's as exciting as mashed potatoes with nothing in it. Not even mashed potatoes with gravy. Just like just like some mashed potatoes that they brought and like they forgot the gravy or like you know they brought you the bread sticks but never brought the ranch. Like that's what that game feels like. Like where's the ranch? I know. Even Gator Dawn's in it and I hate it. I don't like the animations. What's the point of the game? What's what's what are we doing? The the animations of like like the uh like someone took MS Paint and made a barbecue and it's like rocketing off into the sky. It's so stupid. I don't even know. Like, are we Burio? Are we fighting Burio? Are we Who are we playing as? Who are these characters? Are we the characters? Are we fighting the characters? What are the burnt end boys? What h do I pick a character? I don't get to pick a character. So, I must not be playing as those characters, but then like the game starts with one of them lit, but like what what are we doing? Help me understand. Help me make sense. Um the sweepable drop targets are fine. How many do they build? Apparently they build all of them. Like the factory has everything you need. They had all the parts. They were building games. They were going in boxes. They were going somewhere. Um I don't know where they ended up. I don't have pictures of Cuphead. Um because at the time it was like, "This is top secret. Don't say nothing about it. Um this game's almost done and we can't wait to get it out." And I'm like, "Yes." And then after it's been over a year. It's been over a year and just and it's dead and it sucks and I'm sad about it and I don't want the community to miss out on at least what what they what they did get. Is um is Eric still in here? He'll know this. Okay. TPR Eric, right? Um in the roller coaster community, if if there's a a coaster that somebody has ridden and then that coaster closed, all of a sudden that becomes like the greatest coaster that was ever built. and anybody that didn't get a chance to ride it that's like, "Oh, you missed out on just a classic ride. It was underappreciated. You'll never be able to have the ride that I did on it." And it's like, I don't want to do that with pinball and be like, you know, I played Cuphead, but now that it's unavailable, too bad, because it was the greatest game in the world and you guys all suck because you're not as cool as me. Not the case at all. The game was very fun and I'm sad that we can't all play it and I I hope it lives someday. Even just if there's enough demand built up from the community to like make this thing happen. Maybe that's how we get it made. I want to get it I want to get made. It is actually super fun. Um it's a game that I would own from them. Um dude, the whole thing had art. It had sound. It had animations. Not all the animations. Um, but it it had modes. The whole playfield was done, lit, music, art on the cabinet, powder coat. Um, there were some some mechanisms that they were still going to add. So, there was a couple of place marker stuff. Yeah, it's like it's like people saying that Son of Beast at Kings Island was the greatest ride ever. And like it wasn't a even a good ride, but I do miss it. The missile at the American Convention in the UK is closed. The coaster was crap. The missile at the American Did I ever go to American Adventure? I went to Camelot. I didn't go to American Adventure. See, TPR, this is true. Yeah, people are People in coasters can be jerks, man. Oh, you suck because you never got to go to Hard Rock Park. Hard Rock Park, it was actually kind of fun. It was in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. It operated for a year and then they lost the Hard Rock license and then they renamed it Freestyle Music Park and I think it existed for another year. Then it turned into an outlet mall and I don't know what it is now, but they had a Led Zeppelin roller coaster there and I don't know what happened to it. It was interesting. It was a good ride. They had a ride themed after the Eagles. Um it was like a mine train. They had a Moody Blues dark ride that was that was truly phenomenal just as a concept. What the hell are we doing? Going through like nights and white satin like a Haunted Mansion ride, but it was the Moody Blues. Son of Beast with the loop. Yep. I never made it to Hard Rock Park. I barely made it to Hard Rock Park. Um I never rode their like Caprio Starflyer coaster. Or no, I don't know if it's that one. I I either rode that or um the one with the uh the Ferris wheel lift mechanism. I didn't get to I don't think I got to ride that. I wasn't operating. But I rode the Moody Blues Dark Ride. I rode Led Zeppelin. And I rode the Eagles Mind Train a couple of times and then it became Freestyle Music Park and just like sucked because the theme was marginal at best to start with. So once you get rid of that, the problem was they opened a theme park and they didn't have an operating budget like already in the bank for like three years, you know, because you can't just open a brand new park and expect to just be cash flow positive right off the jump, you know? So they didn't have any money for funding. So they didn't they didn't advertise it and so they didn't get much attendance the first year and then they were out of business. Stupid, you know, don't do don't do something like that unless you can float yourself for three years to get established and then market. You got to market that stuff. There was no marketing. I lived in West Virginia like the next state over from South Carolina. Basically, everybody from West Virginia when they go to the beach, they don't go to Virginia Beach. They go to Myrtle Beach for reasons. And so I was living in the state that was going to travel there anyway and would have frequented this this establishment and nobody in the state even knew about it. I did because I was into coasters and I'm telling people like, "Dude, Hard Rock Park." And they'd be like, "We're going to Myrtle Beach. We're going to the beach." And I'd be like, "Oh, you're going to go to Hard Rock Park." And they're like, "What are you talking about?" Like they had no idea. There were no billboards for it. So, of course, nobody went. Nobody knew about it. Stupid. Such a missed opportunity. I see some of the same things in pinball, too. Like, you go through all the trouble of making this company, getting the equipment, spending two years in development, making a a game, getting a license, and then like you fumble at the end. Um because like what are you what are you doing? You know, like Predator, you got the Predator license, right? You were never going to you're never going to get calls from Arnold. But you got the Predator license. You made the alien machine. So, you made a widebody Predator machine. You threw a ton of ramps in there. You put a mechanism in there. um you did all this work and then you release the game and you don't even show it to anybody. You don't let anybody play it and then before they're even built you're like we're shutting down production of this. It's like what did you do the last two years of developing this game? Like did you not have a plan for when it comes time for this? we need to make 10 of these and, you know, ship five to the US and five around Europe and uh maybe do one or two to Australia so people can play this and put orders in. Like, how do you not have that that even planned? God, it's like it sucks, man. Like, I I want to ridicule them for ruining this this moment that could have been a really cool Predator game. It might be a really great game, but nobody knows that because nobody can play it. And now they're ending production on it. Like like they're gonna go have to buy a spooky shooter rod the way they're shooting themselves in the foot. Like they're shoot they shot themselves in both feet. Pinball brothers, what are you doing, man? You should have designed this game and then got it off to someone to produce it and market it and then go on to your next game. like Pinball Brothers, go do licensing, go do game design, and then get that out to somebody else to manufacture, market, and launch. I don't know that you necessarily need to try to do everything yourself because it's not working. It's not working. What the hell? The game could be phenomenal. What if Predator's great? What if you're like finally get to play the damn thing? Production's already done. And you're like, "Dude, this game was fun. Too bad." you know, with a little bit more code and, you know, somebody making custom Arnold call outs. There you go. Ridiculous, man, to spend all that time on something and and like I don't know. So, is this arrogance or is it ignorance, you know? I see this too with companies where um you know that they they have everything figured out their way and they don't want to listen to feedback and they're just going to do it anyway. And that's dangerous. You can't let your ego get in your own way. You have to know when to like not blindly follow your ego. Set it aside. See what people are saying, you know, because they've got something you don't have as a producer. And that's objectivity. You can't be objective with yourself. You know, you can try to read the room, but ultimately other people are the objectivity. You ever have a conversation with somebody in your head and then you go to talk to them and it doesn't go the way you were planning? make a wife joke here. Um, but like I I I do this and I see my wife do this sometimes. Like I can tell that she's had a whole conversation about something already and then she comes to me and she's like, "Oh, I want to talk to you about this." And then like I can see it doesn't go the way that it did in her head because she was just talking with herself. Now she's talking to me. Um, and maybe I just see it differently and then it's like there's a conflict there. Does that happen with anybody else? Or head take my wife. How about this one? How about a conversation or an argument that she's already had and then she brings it to you and she starts with like the second half of the conversation and doesn't ever give you the context for what she's talking about to begin with and you're just left there like, "What are you talking about?" And then she's mad about it. I can't be the only one. Is she still in here? Someone's going to text her. She's going to be in here. But I I get this too sometimes, like I'm kicking around ideas in my head. I have a way that I think the conversation's going to go and then I I have the conversation now it's real and it's like oh this isn't matching. So I wonder if like some like that happens like they get they get too stuck in their own head that they're not open to objectivity from the people that are going to buy the game and play it, you know, because are you know if you're making a game for yourself do your homebrew of whatever you want, you know, that's fine. But if you're making a game for other people, make the game that they would want, you know, and when they give you feedback, listen to it, right? All right, next caller. You're on. Oh, this was fun. Did you guys have a good time? I'm glad I managed to make this work. Um, I'm on the road here in the Ohio region for another two days, then I'm heading home. Um, I'll need to record some content probably. I need to I need to get my Expo booth bought for Expo. Uh cover that. Once again, Top Topper contest. I'm hosting it. It's going to be at Expo in the homebrew area. If you've created or crafted a topper for your game and you can bring it, you can enter it and you can walk out with prizes. And if you want, bring your topper in and hang a for sale sign on it and a cell phone number. You can sell the damn thing there. It's fine with me. So, if you if you make toppers, right, make one and bring it. And then if you want to sell it there, go ahead and sell it there. I don't care. Um, but you can enter and if you get enough votes, you will win a prize. If you get like six votes, you'll probably get a prize the way that I have people donating stuff. Um, I don't know how many people are going to enter this thing, but your chances are quite good about getting something super cool at Expo. I can't wait. It's going to be fun. Jeremy's going to be there. Yes. All right, let's wrap it up. I'm gonna go find some lunch. It is lunchtime here in the Ohio region and then uh we'll be back again next Sunday for even more mayhem and minstrel shows. Uh if you're just tuning into this now, I'm going to go list this on the uh podcast carrier of your choice. So you can listen to this as an audio version if you just want to hear my one-sided uh conversation plus a little bit of that Rob Burke energy in there. Right. What do you guys say? Any final thoughts? Any final words in chat? All right. Say your give eyes. We're going to go to that ending bit now since I Where's my slidy bar? There it is. I need a diner topper idea. Yeah. Um I mean it can be as simple as a David Hankin dispenser and a tablecloth and a candle. Or it can be a bunch of racist caricatures that get 3D printed. I mean really no bad way to go. You can make it look like uh like the roof of a dining establishment. So it actually the game looks like a diner. Continue the back glass on up there. Um I'd like something with some lights on it. A banana. Yeah, I think that would work. I think that would work. Mark, thumbs up. Thank you. Pinball Studio, thank you for moderating. I haven't seen the the night rat thing show up again, so maybe that's good. Uh I'll be home in a couple of days and then uh more mayhem and mystery to occur. Let's hit that outro. Thanks, everybody.