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Don's Pinball Podcast Live Streams (YouTube)·video·9m 38s·analyzed·Jul 9, 2023

Analysis

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TL;DR

Don reacts critically to Haggis Pinball's Centaur remake, praising design but dismissing $16.7K premium pricing.

Summary

Don's Pinball Podcast conducts a live reaction to Haggis Pinball's new Centaur remake reveal trailer, criticizing the colorized playfield variant while appreciating the original art style, etched rails, and LED work. Don expresses significant concern about the $16,700 Beast Edition pricing (which includes an airbrushed leather jacket) relative to the $6,000 secondary market price for used Centaur machines, questioning the value proposition and suggesting the premium items should be promotional giveaways rather than paid upgrades.

Key Claims

Haggis Pinball's Centaur Beast Edition is priced at $16,700 USD including an airbrushed leather jacket
high confidence · Don states directly: '$16,700 US for the game and the airbrush leather jacket' and mentions this is 'limited Tee'd Off 50'
Used/refurbished Centaur machines are available on the secondary market for approximately $6,000
high confidence · Don states: 'a machine which goes for $6,000 on the secondary market' and 'you could get the game for six grand right now used and refurbished'
The Beast Edition Centaur includes a leather jacket and possibly helmet as bundled items
medium confidence · Don repeatedly references the airbrushed leather jacket as part of the premium package and speculates about a Haggis Pinball helmet
Haggis Pinball is offering the Centaur in multiple versions with different playfield colorization options
medium confidence · Don notes: 'I've heard since some rumblings here that it's an option Tee'd Off get the not the traditional non-colorized play field in your version' and references an 'orbital version'
The colorized playfield variant is a design departure that Don dislikes compared to the original art style
high confidence · Don repeatedly criticizes the colorized version: 'that colorized play field i hate it' and compares unfavorably to 'the OG play field' with proper 'art blades'

Notable Quotes

“I'm talking about Australia's Most Wanted. I'm talking about Melbourne's Shining Sun. Haggis Pinball and Haggis Pinball's new Centaur coming Tee'd Off your face. Coming Tee'd Off your wallet.”
Don (Don's Pinball Podcast)@ 0:18 — Opening hook establishing the video topic with humor and sarcasm about pricing concerns
“maybe that's why it takes so long Tee'd Off make a game there because there's zero visibility”
Don@ 1:21 — Humorous jab at Haggis Pinball's historically slow production and delivery timelines
“that colorized play field i hate it it's hurting my solenoid i do not like that Haggis Pinball sir i do not like it”
Don@ 5:45 — Direct design criticism of the colorized playfield as a core visual element
“$16,700 US for the game and the airbrush leather jacket, which I'm going Tee'd Off get Tee'd Off in a second. And then plus you Tee'd Off pay freight for this thing”
Don@ 6:58 — Identifies the premium Beast Edition pricing and additional shipping costs, highlighting value concerns
“you could get the game for six grand right now used and refurbished... why aren't they selling art blades and toppers instead? it's a passion project for them i get it”
Don@ 8:45 — Core critique: secondary market pricing undercuts new premium editions; suggests alternative monetization strategy
“If I was paying seven grand for a pinball upgrade, I'd rather have a leather jacket and a helmet more than a thermos, but none of that is worth that price.”
Don — Directly challenges the value of premium bundle items relative to pricing

Entities

Haggis Pinballcompany Donperson CentaurgameBeast EditionproductWilliamscompany

Signals

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business_signal: Haggis Pinball's premium edition strategy questioned as unsustainable; Don suggests lack of transparency about financial backing or production justification
medium · Don states: 'I don know their financials. Maybe he's got backers that we don't know about... We don't know because they won't tell us' and frames premium pricing as potentially problematic
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design_philosophy: Colorized playfield on Beast Edition criticized as poor design choice; Don strongly prefers original art style with traditional art blades
high · Don states: 'that colorized play field i hate it' and 'I love everything about the beast edition except i i would need Tee'd Off have that topper' — explicitly contrasts colorized vs. original OG playfield preference
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market_signal: Don criticizes bundled leather jacket and helmet as poor marketing compared to promotional giveaway strategy
medium · Don proposes: 'This should have been promotional material... you get a leather jacket or you get a helmet... that would have been a better marketing stretch' than charging premium
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community_signal: Don's reaction suggests Haggis Pinball leadership making pricing/bundling decisions that community finds disconnected from market value
low · Implication through Don's skepticism that Haggis decision-makers are either financially backed or not transparent with community about business constraints
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market_signal: Haggis Pinball's Beast Edition priced at $16,700 significantly exceeds secondary market price (~$6,000), creating perceived value disconnect and sustainability concerns

Topics

Premium pricing and value propositionprimaryHaggis Pinball business model and production strategyprimaryPlayfield design and colorization choicesprimarySecondary market pricing vs. new machine pricingprimaryPremium edition marketing and bundled items (leather jacket, helmet)secondaryHaggis Pinball production timelines and delivery delayssecondaryArt blade and topper design differentiationsecondary

Sentiment

negative(-0.65)— Don appreciates specific design elements (LEDs, etched rails, art blades on original version, rollover targets) but is heavily critical of the colorized playfield variant, the Beast Edition premium pricing ($16,700 for leather jacket bundle), and the disconnect between new pricing and $6K secondary market. He frames Haggis Pinball's premium strategy as poor marketing and suggests the company either has undisclosed backing or is overpricing relative to market value. Tone is humorous/sarcastic but underlying message is skeptical of business viability.

Transcript

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Yo, what's up everybody? Don's Pinball Podcast is coming back at you with some brand new content and a brand new exciting experience. Just for you, I am going to live react to a video. A video that was just released from a pinball company about a brand new machine that's taking pre-orders. I'm talking about Australia's Most Wanted. I'm talking about Melbourne's Shining Sun. Damien and Haggis Pinball's new Centaur coming to your face. Coming to your wallet. We're going to watch the reveal trailer here. I'm going to pop on over and get this thing a-pop-a-lop-a-lop-a-lop-a-lockin'. Boom. You ready for this? Hit. Look at this pretty thing. That is definitely a centaur. I'm digging the LEDs there. little flipper action if only there was some etching on the side rails right look at that oh machine hang on hang on was that like some halloween vibes let's go back there i feel like i just entered like a haunted house at knott's berry farm look at that look at that atmospheric lighting maybe that's why it takes so long to make a game there because there's zero visibility all right let's keep going can i just stop and say at first i'm like this game needs to be black and white but if this is the colorized play field they're talking about like that's not too bad actually um i'm kind of digging it i like the leds they did up in that side little chamber up there. I love those old rollover targets, too. No real art blades to speak of, but there's not much space for them, these old 1980s games. What was that, Popper? Alright. $16,000 version. Oh, there's the etched rails. Okay The smoke is back Oh whoa whoa Hang on Hold up Hold up Hold up Hold up Hold up Hold up Hold up Hold up Hold up I seeing smart blades there Centaur got art blades Centaur's got blades. If the $16,000 airbrushed leather jacket version does. Orbs. I'm making mental notes as I'm watching this. Isn't that a pretty play field? Alright, hang on. Let me jump back. Here, let me see. Am I on a proper screen here? Let's go back to this one. I want to go check something out here real quick. Let's head back. I want to go back to the other play field from the Beast Edition. yeah see okay all right i spoke too soon here when i said colorize like that's the appropriate amount of color right there the the kind of caucasian flesh tones to the demon motorcycle centaur i feel is not very representative yeah yeah no i don't like that i don't like that i like the black and white um hang on hang on hang on i got comments sorry to keep jumping around in here but but let's let's go forward um i'm i'm kind of feeling the stopper here to be honest what are those ancient runes where'd they get those from like all around the outside there let me embiggen this for you guys so you can see it like check out those runes there man let's open those runes bro and what's does she have like did she go into an old michael uh gold blue no jeff goldblum movie and get some fly eyeballs there those look like compound eyes maybe those runes are like like the haggis aztec calendar and you can do chifer when you're going to receive your machine this decade or the next. I not taking the color man Yeah I like that I like that But I need that topper. Alright, let's watch. Sure, okay. 300? I mean, yeah. Appropriate. haggis you you madman you i don't know what that just said all right let's kick some thoughts here all right camera one back to me so why can't they hit it with one version here right i love everything about the beast edition except i i would need to have that topper with the magical runes with the the australian calendar australian aztec calendar that'll tell the end of the world and then a month before that is when you get your game but i that colorized play field i hate it it's hurting my soul i do not like that damien sir i don't like it now i've heard since some rumblings here that it's an option to get the not the traditional non-colorized play field in your version otherwise what does the orbital version have going for it the or bolivian version it's got a bizarre name i know it doesn't come with a smoke machine that's an add-on if you want to play that game with the smoke you're gonna have to go down to spirit halloween and pick up uh and pick up your machine that is of course unless spirit halloween takes over haggis headquarters next year well i don't know now damien said damien with the with the with the locks man i mean the playfields look great and Damien's locks look great, man. He's got some mane and tail in there. I didn't see one split head at all. I peeked at the other video. But if we could stick with this one, I love that OG play field. You gotta have those art blades and I have to have the good topper with the Australian runes and that thing from Spencer's Gifts with the lightning and stuff behind it. I don't even wanna look at that other topper anymore. But it's limited to 50. And not only that, dear listener, it is $16,700 US for the game and the airbrush leather jacket, which I'm going to get to in a second. And then plus you got to pay freight for this thing because I don know if you going to wait for a shipping container to be full and then float across the ocean Can we talk about the leather jacket If you asking for from me you better come with that jacket. I want to see what it looks like. And I'm imagining an airbrushed jacket. Are there going to be little frills on it with a Centaur logo on the back? I mean, probably. But where exactly, besides your basement, are you going to wear a Centaur leather jacket and not get beat up. I guess at the pin bar, you can wear it there and maybe that would be cool. Well, at least you have a helmet. So if you're gonna get beat up, you won't get a traumatic brain injury because you're gonna have the Haggis helmet, right? But is a Haggis helmet and a leather jacket worth? No, it's not. Seven grand, no. If I was paying seven grand for a pinball upgrade, I'd rather have a leather jacket and a helmet more than a thermos, but none of that is worth that price. This should have been a promotional material. like if you go ahead and put your deposit down today you get a leather jacket or you get a helmet or something you know um or or the leather jacket is available and the helmet is available for an extra 150 for the first 50 people that buy them just to get some sales going i think that would have been a better marketing stretch than asking for 17 grand plus shipping for this top end machine, a machine which goes for $6,000 in the secondary market. So Mr. Haggis, I don't know. I don't know their financials. Maybe he's got backers that we don't know about, some angel investors or something, and he could take his time handcrafting these things, whatever. We don't know because they won't tell us. But you could get the game for six grand right now used and refurbished. why aren't they selling art blades and toppers it's a passion project for them i get it anyway let me know what you guys think was this fun you want me to do some more reaction videos i had fun once i finally learned how to do this whole thing check out the logo up there and my name down there and don't click on this link because there's nothing there because i don't know how to do that yet anyway don spinball podcast at gmail.com drop me some hits man let me know what you think put some comments down below hit like and subscribe i'm trying to get me one of those green silver play buttons and I'm like years away from being able to get one of those but this is where it started and you could be there from the start I'll see you around the flip town later everybody