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Pinball Roundtable LIVE - in Tempe, AZ

JBS Show·podcast_episode·3h 1m·analyzed·Sep 5, 2025
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TL;DR

Live roundtable debates portable LED light use in competitive pinball tournaments.

Summary

JBS Roundtable hosts Jamie Burchell, Retro Ralph, and Cale Hernandez broadcast live from Tempe, Arizona on Labor Day. The episode centers on a heated discussion about the use of portable LED lights during pinball tournaments—specifically magnetic clip-on lights that illuminate dark playfields—which the hosts debate as either a performance-enhancing device that should be banned or a legitimate accessibility tool. They also discuss recent tournament play at Electric Bat Arcade, favorite Keith Elwin games, and briefly address a rumor about Barrels of Fun offering them a free machine.

Key Claims

  • Portable LED lights ($10 Amazon lights) used on dark pinball games provide an unfair competitive advantage and should be banned by IFPA

    medium confidence · Jamie Burchell argues extensively for banning lights; claims they negate intended difficulty of dark games like Fear of the Dark and Lights Out on John Wick

  • A serious female competitive player with a documented vision issue cannot play pinball without a light and has competed in women's world championships

    medium confidence · Cale Hernandez mentions this player exists but declines to name her; notes she's ranked higher than all three hosts

  • Tournament rules on LED lights are left to individual tournament directors and venues to enforce—some tournaments/venues allow them, others ban them entirely

    high confidence · Jamie and Cale confirm Electric Bat Arcade and California tournaments have made different rulings; it's up to the TD/TO to decide

  • The Chewy's knockout tournament stream had over 1,000 VOD views with 32 concurrent viewers during the live broadcast

    high confidence · Direct observation: 'I think, 32 right now' and 'it had over 1,000 VODs' mentioned by Cale

  • Keith Elwin's King Kong (L1) received a recent code update adding a new multi-ball mode and Kong wizard mode

    high confidence · Cale describes playing new code at dinner: 'They just added that. It's a multi-ball' referring to Kong multi-ball

  • Barrels of Fun ownership is rumored to have offered JBS Roundtable hosts a free machine, which they deny

    medium confidence · Rachel brings up rumor; Jamie and Cale confirm it's false and express frustration with the claim

  • Stern Pinball typically releases game trailers on a Tuesday-Thursday cadence (teaser Tuesday, full trailer Thursday or vice versa)

    medium confidence · Jamie speculates about Star Wars trailer timing based on typical Stern pattern; VP from Pinball Studio mentioned doing live stream the day before media day

  • Jamie Burchell and Retro Ralph each lasted exactly 8 rounds in the Chewy's knockout tournament with similar strike patterns before elimination

Notable Quotes

  • “I need a rule change, yeah, an IFPA rule change because it's absolutely an unfair advantage that this guy bought a $10 light and he gets to use it.”

    Jamie Burchell @ early in content — Core argument for banning portable LED lights from competitive pinball

  • “Fear of the Dark is effing dark. And your boy spent $10 on Amazon, and he gets to say, and then he takes it. That's just so ridiculous.”

    Cale Hernandez @ mid-content — Supports Jamie's position on lights negating game difficulty; references specific game design intent

  • “It is an advantage. Like, I'll use a game that I would say I struggle with because it's so dark. Creature from the Black Lagoon. It's a very dark game. Not dark for our boy. No, but if you did put a light on it, I feel like I would probably be able to see the shots a lot better.”

    Retro Ralph @ mid-content — Ralph concedes that lights provide measurable gameplay advantage by improving visibility on dark playfields

  • “I'm a jackass, okay? I'm just having fun with my boy Ralph. I'm from Houston. I don't care. You can use your light, use a headlamp, use whatever you want I don't care.”

    Jamie Burchell @ mid-content — Jamie's de-escalation when confronted by Greg Mose about the light complaint; clarifies he was joking

  • “Can I spare your life? Yeah, can I also use your light? Can we share the light together?”

    Cale Hernandez @ late-content — Humorous suggestion that Jamie apologize and ask Greg to share the light, offering reconciliation

  • “The reason why is because I get nervous playing pinball in general, not at my house, but when I play in tournaments. So my hands get sweaty... They have a little grip on them. And then also the next person coming up doesn't have a sweaty-ass mess of a lock bar. I think that's just, like, courteous.”

    Jamie Burchell @ mid-content — Jamie's justification for wearing gloves during tournament play; frames it as courtesy to other players

  • “Jaws is my favorite still. But King Kong is pretty close. I'm actually Jaws, King Kong, Godzilla right now... If I had to say my top three L1s, it would be Jaws, King Kong, Godzilla.”

Entities

Jamie BurchellpersonRetro RalphpersonCale HernandezpersonRachelpersonGreg MosepersonKelly MosepersonTravis MosemanpersonKeith Elwinperson

Signals

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Ongoing debate about portable LED light legality in IFPA-sanctioned tournaments; rules currently left to individual tournament directors; no unified policy

    high · Josh Sharpe/IFPA takes permissive stance but individual TOs can ban; California tournaments and Electric Bat Arcade have made different decisions

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Jamie and Retro Ralph each lasted 8 rounds in Chewy's knockout with similar strike patterns; both express satisfaction with performance relative to skill level at venue

    high · Direct statement of results and reflection on competitive field quality

  • ?

    code_update: Keith Elwin's King Kong game recently received code update adding new Kong multi-ball mode and Kong wizard mode(s)

    high · Cale describes playing new code at dinner: 'They just added that. It's a multi-ball.' Describes reaching two mini wizard modes in recent play

  • ?

    code_update: Dune Pinball by Barrels of Fun received beta code update with new call-out features; significant gameplay improvement reported

    medium · Cale: 'I got to play the new beta code with the call-outs at a gentleman's house, and the game is much, much better'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Community moving toward venue/tournament director autonomy on light rules rather than unified ban; hosts acknowledge accessibility use case exists

    high · Cale acknowledges female competitive player needs light due to vision issue; hosts accept TD discretion as solution

Transcript

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0:00
Today, the JBS Roundtable is live from Tempe, Arizona. Will the host be recording poolside? And will we see if Retro Ralph's rug matches the carpet? We know Jamie Burchell smells good with his bougie diva stone. Will we see Cale Hernandez in the speedo? Or will he just rach with these divas? Find out how these three kings played in the anniversary tournament on this week's JBS Roundtable.
0:30
Here we go. Can I, I can do, I can do sound effects? Yeah. You can do sound effects. Hey, everybody. How's it going? Hey, welcome to the Pinball Roundtable. I'm Jamie Burchill, Retro Ralph, Kale Hernandez. Rachel. We are live. We're here. We are here. Who's here? And, well, those people are here right now. Yeah, there's a couple people here. We got Laura West and I don't know how to say that other name. Vic VP is here. Oh, Vic. Yeah, Vic. Pinball Studio is here, too. I hung out with Vic at Stern. Yeah. Yeah, we did. He put up a good number on Com. Good VP. Yeah. So we're here at, I'm here in Phoenix, Tempe, Arizona, hanging out with Ralph and Kale and Rachel at the Bat, and it is Labor Day. It's Labor Day. And we thought, why not do a live roundtable? Well, the people asked for it. They did. We asked them, and they said we wanted to do it. They did. So we were like, all right, fine. Let's do it then. And that's why we're here. Real quick, does anybody know who Christopher Tranchi is? I don't know. He likes our streams. Is that like someone posing as Tranchi? I don't know what that is. I have no idea. I want to know, though. I want to know who he is. Can you put the chat up on the big screen? I think so, yeah. Let's see. No, I cannot. But it's okay. But I can put it up there. But you can monitor the chat, right? Yeah, I got it right here. I was just watching the Chewy's tournament, so DJR Pinball said I was just watching the Chewy's tournament at the bat over on Twitch. So that's cool. Yeah, cool. And replay, so that's awesome. I mean, Cale just told me this morning it had over 1,000 VODs. I know. Isn't that fantastic? It's really good. Yeah, that's really good. This morning. This morning when I woke up. I can't believe that many people were watching us. The only thing that concerns me about the VOD is when me and you took over and he became the certified rig mover at the end. And I'm a little concerned about, you know, were we a little too much for the audience? No, not at all. And I cannot be honest. A lot of those older games, I don't know the rules. So I'm like, all right, he hit the three drop targets. Looking pretty good. I think we're in the 2X multipliers. What do you think, Jamie? And Jamie's like, none of what you said is true. You know what happened is my shoulders hurt a little from carrying Ralph on that stream. Can I be honest with you? You think so? No. Well, I would just change the subject. I'd be like, I know we're here. No. I have an empty can of Zin's over there. I'm going to have to ask Rachel to get me a Zin. You need one that bad right now? Yeah. I need to get me one. Oh, my gosh. All right. So, hey, we got a question from Michael already. He said, do you think we're getting Star Wars tomorrow?

high confidence · Jamie and Ralph directly state results: both went 2-0, then deviated (Jamie 2-1, Ralph 3-0), then 'leveled out' and lasted 8 rounds

Cale Hernandez @ late-content — Cale's ranking of favorite Keith Elwin games; indicates strong appreciation for King Kong's recent updates

  • “I got to play the new beta code with the call-outs at a gentleman's house, and the game is much, much better. Much, much better than what I first played it.”

    Cale Hernandez @ near-end — References Dune Pinball code updates and improvements, though doesn't elaborate on specific changes

  • “I can't play a game twice and go, I like or don't like this game. I've got to put a good 20 games on and then go, all right, I get a feel for it. I find it weird when someone sells a game after playing it 10 times because I'm like, there's no way you did what you need to do to understand whether you like it or not in 10 games.”

    Jamie Burchell @ near-end — Jamie's philosophy on game evaluation and purchase decisions; context for his hesitation discussing Dune

  • “I think he just – he's trying to recover from our experience with the game. But the thing is, I don't see why that makes him look better because you're saying I offered him a free game, and they disliked it so much they wouldn't accept it.”

    Rachel (host/producer) @ very end — Addresses Barrels of Fun rumor; Rachel's logic for why free machine offer story doesn't help Barrels' reputation

    • Christopher Franchi
    person
    Josh Sharpeperson
    Amandaperson
    Vicperson
    Laura Westperson
    Typerson
    Electric Bat Arcadevenue
    Chewy's Arcadevenue
    Barrels of Funcompany
    Stern Pinballcompany
    IFPAorganization
    Pinball Studioorganization
    King Konggame
    Jawsgame
    Iron Maidengame
    Dune Pinballgame
    ?

    content_signal: Chewy's tournament stream exceeded 1,000 VOD views; hosts discussing optimal posting times for social media engagement (weekends vs. weekdays)

    high · Direct mention of 1,000+ VODs; discussion of when to post for maximum engagement (Friday/Saturday vs. late night)

  • ?

    community_signal: Barrels of Fun rumor that company offered JBS hosts free machine in attempt to improve perception; hosts deny and address on stream

    medium · Rachel brings up rumor from multiple sources; Jamie and Cale deny; Rachel's logic about why it damages rather than helps reputation

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Debate reveals designer intent perspective: dark games like Fear of the Dark and Lights Out designed with darkness as difficulty mechanic; LED lights bypass this

    medium · Jamie references these specific games; Cale agrees lights negate design intent; Iron Maiden discussion on Fear of the Dark mode

  • ?

    community_signal: Recognition that at least one serious competitive female player has documented vision accessibility needs requiring light accommodation

    medium · Cale mentions player with vision issue who has competed in women's world championships; ranked higher than all three hosts

  • ?

    product_strategy: Stern Pinball historically uses Tuesday-Thursday trailer release pattern (teaser Tuesday, full trailer Thursday or variation thereof)

    medium · Jamie discusses typical Stern pattern; VP mentioned live stream the day before media day; speculation about Star Wars trailer timing

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: King Kong praised for excellent playfield flow, shot design (cross chasm, biplane shot, pterodactyl attack), and strategic diverter use

    high · Cale describes recently playing new code and being impressed by flow and shot variety; hosts discuss specific shots as fun

  • ?

    machine_intel: Star Wars pinball game announcement/trailer anticipated by community; speculation about Tuesday or Wednesday release timing

    low · Michael in chat asks if Star Wars trailer coming tomorrow; hosts discuss typical Stern cadence; VP mentioned release strategy

    • 3:09
    The trailer, the full trailer. I have no idea. But what do we think? I don't know. Thank you. Oh, my gosh.
    3:21
    There she is. What does Stern usually do? I really don't keep up with all this. Well, so they usually do, like, a Tuesday trailer, a Tuesday teaser, and I think it's, like, either Thursday. It's usually Tuesday, Thursday. That's their combo. And then they're ready to ship. Yeah, so this time they did Thursday.
    3:39
    I think they did the teaser Thursday, so now it's Tuesday. So are they going to do it in the, like, do maybe the trailer tomorrow? I hope so. I mean, it could make sense. I'm ready to see this thing. I am, too. I want to see it so bad. That really puts me off. That chat doesn't pop up on here. Oh, no, we can make it do that, I think. You can? Yeah, but let's not screw with it now. No, it doesn't work. It will. No, it will. All right, forget it. You just monitor the chat. Talk for a second. I'll do it. But wouldn't everybody see it? That's what I'm trying to get. You want that? Yeah, don't you want that? I don't know. I don't do YouTube. I'm a Twitch guy. You get mixed people. Some people say they like that, and some people say they don't.
    4:17
    Oh, that's the whole chat. No, then forget it. You don't want that. I'm going to keep mine. I was going to put it up there for us. Oh, that's all I want. I want to try to do that. If you can do that, that's what I want. Just for us. Just for me and you. Not for everybody else can look at the chat natively. Yeah. Yes. Just for me and you. Here we go. I don't like these pants. I don't like them. I don't like how I look. What are you doing, dude? I don't like how I look. He's worried about stuff coming out. I'm worried about stuff coming out. You know, because I'm 52. So while he's messing with us, I do want to tell you guys, thank you so much for being phenomenal hosts. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're welcome. I absolutely adore these people. Oh, there she goes. Cover my legs. Do you have a blanket now, too? There she goes. I have a blanket for a minute. All right, so I do believe that people shouldn't be seeing what we're seeing. If they do, then they might be upset, but I don't think they will. They'll let us know. Yeah, they'll tell us, but I'm pretty sure. Is it normal for you guys? Take them off, Jamie. See, that looks good now. I'm hearing Wednesday now on the trailer says Pinball Studio. Yeah, so we should see the chat as it rolls in. Perfect.
    5:31
    That's perfect. Letting the inmates run the asylum today. Yeah, totally. That's basically what's going on. So VP thinks the video's coming tomorrow. Oh, he does, huh? Yeah, that's what he said. They're going to do a live stream the day before media day.
    5:46
    Okay. Oh, okay. That makes sense, actually. I'm hearing Wednesday now on the trailer. See, I feel like the day after the holiday is a good time to hit people because they're kind of, like, hung over from their barbecue. They're, like, loose with their money. I'd be like, oh, I might spend. If I was doing the marketing for Stern. Would you do day after holiday? No, I would do it right now when everybody's off. Right. That's the no-brainer because everybody's just chilling. Oh, that's true. Everyone would freak out and watch it. How many people are watching this thing? You can't tell from this. There's, I think, 32 right now. Okay. There's 32 right now. And it's like a brand new channel. It doesn't even have 1,000 subscribers. And we have people – because right now – and I've noticed this with posting social media stuff.
    6:31
    You always get more views when people aren't working. Oh, for sure. Yeah, I always post on – see, Jamie does – Saturday, Sunday. I'm trying to educate you on that a little bit. Because you like posting stuff late at night, but people are sleeping. You don't want to do that. I'm working on it. Yeah, I'm learning. You've got to hit them with that. I'm learning. Hit them on a Friday or Saturday. You need to learn Instagram.
    6:51
    Oh, my God. Can we take a break for me for a second? I don't Instagram. Can we talk? I have an Instagram. Yeah, but you don't. We add you as collaborators and you don't. Because I don't even know what I'm supposed to do. Go to Instagram. Okay. Now, this would have helped us. We'd have more than 32 people. Now, go to here. If you don't use it, why are you even having a cab? Jamie Birchall, Active, sent you this thing. Look at that. I told you. Oh. See? Okay. Now, that's it. You accepted this. Hold on. Let me go put. I'm going to say right now we're live. Sorry. I'm doing a little advertising. No, I'm not cold, Sky Walto. I just don't feel comfortable with the Viore shorts that I'm wearing. And Rachel made this. The angle. Because of the lens. Because Rachel was assessing the situation, and there was definitely angles that could have, if you moved your leg a certain way, could have been bad. Could have been bad, and we don't need that. I mean, well, it depends. Could have been good for certain people. I don't know.
    7:50
    My wife does miss me. Look, Ralph's getting some people in here. All right, good. All right. So let's talk about Chewy's tournament last night because we just talked about it. Oh, it was so good. It really was fantastic. And if anybody missed it, head over to twitch.tv slash electric bat arcade and watch the VOD. It was great. The competition was fantastic. And then me and Ralph took over for a little bit and had a good time. So, but can we start with the story of?
    8:26
    Yeah, go with whatever. I'm going to start and then we're going to take it over from you guys, okay? We're going to be asking you a lot of questions because we want to know about what the hell could happen. Everybody needs blankets.
    8:38
    Do we have more blankets? No. They just like my blanket. I'm not sharing your blanket. All right. So here's a story for you, ladies and gentlemen. Last night, Christopher Trancy, I love you, by the way. Do we know who that is? No. We'd like to know who you are. Can you let us know? I'd really like to know who you are. Like, do you think it's Franchi just calling himself Franchi? No. Because Franchi's always there. Yeah. He's not here, but he doesn't come to our stream. All right, so last night I'm playing. Should I message him? Yeah, put him in there. I'm playing in the Chewy's knockout.
    9:13
    Me and Ralph really played the same, okay? We actually did. It was kind of scary, actually. You know, when I had two strikes, he had two strikes. It was exactly the same. We started out 2-0, then we went – no, I went 2-1, and you went 3-0, didn't you? Yeah, and then we got leveled out. And then we got leveled out. And so we each lasted eight rounds, and we're really proud of that. And not really. I want to add an adjective in front of it, but I'm proud of it. Okay, this is what I say to myself. I say to myself, I think the competition at the bat is really good. There's a lot of really good players there. So if I'm making it that far, I'm okay with that. Yeah. I was okay with it, too. Our goal was 10. I wanted 10. Our goal was 10. We didn't get there. We didn't do it. I wanted 10. I'm playing SimBat, ladies and gentlemen. and a gentleman comes up, and this is going to be our first topic, and then we'll let them take over. Okay. He puts a light, one of these magnetic lights that goes over the play field and lights up all the Simbad. All right. He's obviously kicking my ass because I think he has a performance-enhancing device that he's using. So I come back to Ralph, and I start bitching about – now, he knows me, okay? He knows that I'm joking. And I start bitching about this guy with the light. I know that he's joking, but if you didn't know him, you probably wouldn't think he was joking. You'd think he was serious. Because I came in like – It was low-key joking. Yeah. I came in and I'm like, we need to call Sharp and IFPA. Yeah, you literally said we need a rule change. I need a rule change, yeah, an IFPA rule change because it's absolutely an unfair advantage that this guy bought a $10 light and he gets to use it. And then when he goes, nope, you don't get to use it. And this is how I'm saying it to Ralph. Right, yeah. But what Jamie didn't know, what Jamie didn't know is this gentleman's wife was standing right next to me, which he thinks I didn't know. And she's like, oh, really? Oh, so you think they should know? Then she starts, hey, Christian Franci is here. Hey. No, yeah, just message him. All right. Thank you.
    11:33
    So I, then she starts saying, do you think, I don't think it's a problem that he has a light. And I said, what's next? Gloves? Yeah, and then he started ripping. Pins and razes. I started ripping on all of the. Any kind of. Oh, no. And then he started going down this path. The lady thought you were kind of crazy. Jamie goes, well, you know, they have these glasses now that they're anti-glare glasses. They take the glare off the play field. And she's like, oh, really? And I think at that point, she's like, I'm going to go talk to my husband now. Right. You just talk trash. I'm going to go tell him. I'm going to the boss. Yeah, I'm going to go tell him what you said. So I go up. I play my ball. I didn't do well. he comes up to me and he goes, hey, I hear you have a problem with my light. And I go, no, I don't care. And he goes, well, you were joking with that guy over there. And I said, oh, shit. He brought me into it. I didn't even know this part. He brought me in? I go, well, you know, he's a jackass. You can't listen to that. I believe that. No, I didn't say that. I go, listen, dude, I'm a jackass, okay? I'm just having fun with my boy Ralph I'm from Houston I don't care You can use your light use a headlamp Use whatever you want I don't care That's not what I really feel But I was just being nice I think I need to say It's Greg Mose and his wife Kelly Mose They're the nicest people in the world And Greg I've never seen him angry He's so level headed So smooth And that's the funny thing. For him to come up and talk to you about it. Did he seem calm? He was bright calm, right? Yeah, he's always very calm. No, he didn't ask me to go outside or anything. He just said, let's meet me in the parking lot. I know Greg. He was just concerned and didn't want you to have an issue. Right. Yeah. Right. And I do have an issue. Yeah, you do have an issue. So we're going to start here with the main issue is it is an absolute performance enhancing, and IPN needs to ban this. Well, let me clear something up. Josh has spoken on this many times.
    13:50
    He's like, do whatever you want. He doesn't care. He's wrong. He said, well. I'm just saying Josh is wrong. I'm just a messenger. All right. I'm not yelling at you. You're just saying it should be reconsidered. Okay, there are certain games.
    14:06
    All right? I have one in my house. All right? Iron Maiden. Before you say that, the lighting is part of the game. Of pinball. Right. Okay? It's like, can I remove this post? This is what you're about. This is my pitch. This is the point. Okay? Yeah, yeah. Is that Fear of the Dark is effing dark. Yeah. And your boy spent $10 on Amazon, and he gets to say, and then he takes it. That's just so ridiculous. Yeah. No, everyone that uses it does take that. Why? Leave it. If you're going to perform a chance. Hold on, hold on. The whole group. Would you feel, if he would have left it, we wouldn't have this conversation? Like you would have been like, oh, that's cool. I'm like, hey, Lightboy, thank you so much. Yeah. No, I think it's bologna and cheese, and they need to ban it. Do you know what I heard at another tournament? He actually had two lights, and he pulled them out and put both on each side. He has big pockets. He's a big guy. All right, well, Jamie. Let's go. Fear of the dark. Okay. I'm going to name some. All right. What's the name? Do I go? Yeah, you go next. The strobe multiball in Attack from Mars.
    15:13
    It's completely negated that. Not boy who bought 10 bucks from Amazon. Right. He's good to go. I'm not. Lights out on John Wick. On John Wick. It's called lights out, but you're turning the lights back on.
    15:25
    Right? Am I right? So, Jamie. I do tend to agree with you, though. Like, it is an advantage. Like, I'll use a game that I would say I struggle with because it's so dark. Creature from the Black Lagoon. It's a very dark game. Not dark for our boy. No, but if you did put a light on it, I feel like I would probably be able to see the shots a lot better. It's just dark. Excuse me. So there's an enhancement. It should be banned. It's Foo Fighters. Yeah. You know, like, the action button, it starts flashing. like, oh, I can get this jackpot. Yeah. But you know, like, as soon as I hit it, it's going to get dark. It gets dark for a little bit, and then the lights come back on. So it's strategic. You've got to know when to hit it. Yeah. Like, you might want to trap the ball up, right? But the light takes that away. I'm done with it, and we're going to ban it at Eureka. I have. John, if you're listening, John, no lights at Eureka. Oh. All right. Well, it's the Black Lagoon. Ban Lights. Can we get some – can you do a – like on Twitch, you can do a survey. I can't do a poll. They can't do polls? No. That's why I like Twitch.
    16:38
    But here's the other side of the coin. Okay. Let's hear it. I don't know if she wants me to use her name. I won't. Can I use her name, Rachel?
    16:48
    I'm not going to. She said no. There's a player, a player, a serious player. She says she cannot play pinball without it. She has some type of, what would you call it? Like an issue. A disorder. Okay. She cannot play pinball without a light. Does she have a medical card or something? I don't know. That's what we need to figure out. I don't know. Sorry. That was me. She's having a hard time seeing it. She's got to have it. Whatever. You have to have an exception. No. Don't play pinball. Don't be so cold. I don't know. What's her ranking? She's real good. Yeah. Yeah, much better than mine, right? She doesn't play as much as she used to. Higher than whose? She's been in the women's world championships. All of us. Okay. Yeah, she's been in the women's world championships.
    17:43
    But you are changing the game. Yeah. Like, to me, and it's really no different than going, I would like for my ball for you to put the rubbers back on the outland. Yes. Yeah. But then the argument for the light people is like, well, just buy a light.
    18:02
    I've heard. I mean, we've had this discussion. Why don't you share your light? I'm sure Greg would have. I bet he would have. He would have more than happily let you use the light. All right. You thought about this all night long, I feel like. I was ass-chapped. I had a therapy session last night, and my therapist said that... No, Travis, you know... Ladies and gentlemen, Travis Mosman. Travis. We love Travis. I don't like the way my legs look in this. Everyone knows... Oh, is that why you did it? Yeah. I thought you were just cold. No. What's wrong with your legs? He was worried about something falling out. We talked about it before. No, I was just being... I was having a go at it, and now it's quite comfortable. We fixed the ball thing. Okay, okay. Rachel identified an issue, and we fixed it. Yeah. Bring your own batteries. Check this out. Right now, it's kind of like states, right? Right now, it's up to the TD or the TO. Okay. And we have had people use the bat as a venue and do their own tournaments, and they say no lights. Okay. So you could say it's up to the person running the tournament. Yeah. It is up. There you go. Don't do it. You're done. It's done. We had some guys from California come in. They said no headlamps, no lights. Okay See, problem solved We still have problems here at the round table He's going to bring his light on Tuesday Yeah, he always has it Well, you're going to have to take that up with the tournament coordinator She's sitting right over there I'm just having a go I don't care I was literally being a jerk This is what you do You're upset that you lost You want me to help you out? That's what you do It's usually me You go up to him on Tuesday Okay And be like, Greg, I think we got off on the wrong foot Can I, you know, if we play a game together Can I spare your life? Yeah, can I also use your light? Can we share the light together? Can we share the light? That would be lovely. Yeah. I'll do that. Yeah. Yeah, we can ask to hold his hand, too. All right, so the whole point of this was supposed to be for people to ask this stuff. Keep in mind, you have Jamie's shirt. No, they're Borey's, and they're just creeping up on this couch. Now I'm nervous about mine. No, no, no. I have extra layers and everything. I just, this turned out to be quite comfortable.
    20:11
    So I'm leaving. All right, so guys, the whole thing was, You guys were supposed to be able to ask us whatever we want. Like, this is a pretty good opportunity because you have three guys that – Do stuff. Yeah, we will say whatever, you know, we need to say. And it doesn't have to be about pinball. That's the thing. It could be about Jamie's addiction to Zen. It could be about whatever you want. You don't need to worry about that. I'm okay. That's been covered many times.
    20:34
    I do want to tell a story later. Don't let us – Oh, there's a no-glove person in there. Adam Davis has no gloves either. But, see, I love the gloves. No gloves. I agree with no gloves. Can I tell you why I wear the gloves real quick? Two seconds. I don't care about gloves. Two seconds. The reason why is because I get nervous playing pinball in general, not at my house, but when I play in tournaments. So my hands get sweaty. No one wants to come back up to the game. Well, number one, they will slip off the lock bar. It has happened to me. So that's why I adopt the gloves. They have a little grip on them. And then also the next person coming up doesn't have a sweaty-ass mess of a lock bar. I think that's just, like, courteous. It's me being courteous to the players. Do you want to walk up to a machine that's like slobbery, gross, lock bar? No. All right, well, then I'm helping you out by wearing the gloves. I mean, I think you might need to talk to your doctor about your sweaty palms. It's called nerves. I'm nervous. Things sweat. All right. You don't sweat when you get nervous? Yeah, not in my palms. You know what I did one time? You don't get nervous, I feel like. No, no, no. I don't get nervous.
    21:34
    Is Rachel saying yes? She agrees. A man that beats Jamie on Simbad, the light is an excuse. So what really happened – That's Bob, I think. Okay. That must be Bob speaking. Yeah. So, hey, Bob. When I lost – Oh, Amanda, did you see? Dude, Amanda, did you see? Amanda came to my Facebook page just to say she beat you. She wrote the comment. It was awesome. It was a bounty knockout, ladies and gentlemen. And if you don't know how a bounty knockout works – I didn't see that. It's $6 for the tournament. $5, you get yourself a chip. And when you get your fourth strike, your chip then goes to the winner of that group. And if two people are eliminated, the second person, third place, would give their chip to second place. And that's how it works. So both of us got eliminated, me and another gentleman. And I held my chip up, and I was like, who wants my chip? And Amanda goes, I want Jamie Virgil's chip. And I thought that was really good. Amanda said that? Yeah. Man, Bob and Amanda are like the best people in the world. Yeah, so she has Jamie Barton. I'm nervous. Let me tell you. Hey, we have some questions. But while you're talking about the greasy lock bar, one day, it was like in the middle of the day, and just me and Ty were hanging out at the bat. Ty. Yeah. Ty Bull with tattoos and everything. Yeah. And he's like, I challenge you, the best of three. I was like, let's do it. So I went into the office and just overly lotioned my hands. and then we started playing pinball so i went first of course and i'm just like i'm just getting in there i'm playing i was like oh and i you know had a pretty good ball you know and i'm not worried because it's not affecting me because i know it's there and then it was his turn he did he's into he's like i'm gonna tear you up and he starts playing he doesn't immediately say anything and I'm just like laughing.
    23:29
    When we're done, he's like, dude, what is all over this? Did you at least win? Okay, this is awesome. It was so long ago. I can't remember what happened. Oh, my gosh, I love that. That is the best. Enzo says you need a nap, by the way. Oh, no, I should get one today. He did sleep pretty long. Somebody asked us what's our favorite L one. I thought I saw that.
    23:53
    Is that it? Oh, wait, Ralph, I'm considering. No. Where was that? It's Jamie Raffa. What's your favorite Elwin? For me, I'll go first. Okay. Sorry. Mine is Keith.
    24:05
    You're an idiot. He said his favorite Elwin is Keith Elwin. Oh, I get it. Is that not? It took me a minute to get it. I'll give you a C-. I'm slow right now. What is your favorite Elwin? I think Franchi would like that one. My favorite Elwin, well, right now I'm playing Iron Maiden a ton. I love the flow of it. I love the simplicity of it. Yes, sir? Can I do mine now? Yeah.
    24:33
    It's King Kong. Oh, yeah. I saw it last night. Oh, man. You should have seen him last night. I know. I heard you were tearing it up. So we go back. We go out to dinner, the three of us, and me, Rachel, and Kale. And then Rachel needed a badge to get her bat badge the last day, and she was worried about using the bat badge. I'm kind of excited about it. I got my bat badge, too, so that was really cool. And Kale goes, hey, let's play Kong. I'll go first. He put up $265 million on ball one or something ridiculous. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was really impressive what he was doing. But it was hitting all the shots. Yeah. You were going, do this. Oh, you want to see me do that? Well, I said cross the chasm first because it's a really good move in a tournament. That should be your first move. And, boy, was he crossing the shit out of that chasm. That's awesome. It was like a sideshow. Yeah, it was unbelievable. You put up $400 million. And I got to like this mini wizard mode or something. You got to two mini wizard modes. One was Kong.
    25:35
    They just added that. It's a multi-ball. And then you got to the other multi-ball, which is Kong kills some kind of wizard or some shit. I don't know. It was great. All right. So yours is King Kong. Yours is Iron Maiden. Yeah, I like his Iron Maiden. Okay, so mine is not going to be what I think people would expect me to say. Jaws is my favorite still. But King Kong is pretty close. I'm actually Jaws, King Kong, Godzilla right now. I know that's probably unpopular, but that would be my order of, like, if I had to say my top three L1s, it would be Jaws, King Kong, Godzilla.
    26:07
    I'm really loving King Kong, and mainly because it just flows so good. I don't have it down yet. When you're in it in that game, it's so fun. And I love using that diverter strategically. I love the, what is it called, the biplane shot. It's just all fun. It's so good. You know my favorite thing to do in that game? I don't know. I love pterodactyl attack when you have the sweeping drops, and then you have to lift that right flipper and get it into the cave. That is so fun, that shot. So good. I don't know. It's just fun. It's just a fun game.
    26:37
    Oh, he wants to talk about Dune. I don't have enough experience with it to talk about it. I'll talk about Dune. You want to talk about Dune?
    26:44
    Let's talk about Dune. I don't know. Do we want to – Jamie's giving me a look like don't talk – Oh, no. Who wants to talk about Dune? All right. Put a one in the chat if you want people to talk about Dune. Jamie's like, I don't want to talk about Dune. My friend Travis Moseman, who designed Dune, is in the chat, and I was like, you know, we could talk about Dune. Travis is here with us. My problem is I don't have enough experience with it. I have a lot of experience with it, so I can't, like, comment on the gameplay. So that sucks. I got to play the new beta code with the call-outs at a gentleman's house, and the game is much, much better.
    27:27
    Much, much better. Much better than what? Than when I first played it. Oh, much better than a game that doesn't work? Dude, we have a special. I mean, I don't think. There's another Christopher Franchi, but it's Christopher. Maranchi. How is there so many Christopher Franchi? He gave us a minus one. Chris Franchi is so popular. There's like mimics for like a hundred Chris Franchise. They're offshoots. You had Laverne and Shirley at Happy Days.
    27:53
    All right. Let me get a drink of water. Let's go back to it. Let's do it. Jamie's freaking out. I'm not freaking out. I'm okay. I'm all right.
    28:04
    Anybody else have any questions? The last thing Jamie wants to talk about is dude. I feel like God's honest truth. My problem is I didn't buy one. I have not. I only played two games on it when you guys had it there. I can't play a game twice and go, I like or don't like this game. I've got to put a good 20 games on and then go, all right, I get a feel for it. I find it weird when someone sells a game after playing it 10 times because I'm like, there's no way you did what you need to do to understand whether you like it or not in 10 games. There's no way. For sure. I mean, I could see someone selling it. I'm trying.
    28:43
    I gave him a look. Did you see that? I just gave him a look because he makes me laugh. Me? No, I gave Cale a look because he makes me laugh. Okay, good. I'm glad he makes you laugh. All is good. We have someone who's asking a question.
    29:02
    Oh. Rachel wants to talk about this. Okay. this is a good way to destroy this rumor right? I don't know what you're talking about what are you talking about? I have no idea what you're talking about I have to go pee I actually really do I'm going to go pee and I'll let these guys talk I'll be right back oh my god so just leave me with the Dune conversation just leave me between two ferns Look, there's rumors going. I think somebody that owns Barrels of Fun is telling people that he offered us a free machine. Okay.
    29:49
    And I've had multiple people, even people that work there, telling me this. And I think we should just go – we should just tell everybody that's not true. Okay. Because why would I not – why would I turn down a free machine? Well, you wouldn't. I wouldn't. Right. But I think he just – he's trying to recover from our experience with the game.
    30:13
    But the thing is, I don't see why that makes him look better because you're saying I offered him a free game, and they disliked it so much they wouldn't accept it.
    30:26
    I don't know where that rumor came from. Right. But you have heard it. Yeah. Okay. I've heard that. Multiple, multiple people have heard it. It's just kind of weird. Unfortunately, people have told me that, and I just went, you know, I have nothing to do with this. Right, right. My name is Jamie Virchow. I don't own a dune. I have nothing to do with this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's not true. Yeah.
    30:50
    That's not particularly true. No, look, the fact, for those that don't know, we had a pinball roundtable a couple episodes before, and we were talking about your experience with doing it, and unfortunately it wasn't good for you. Right, right. Right? It wasn't good, and I think you got yourself a lemon, right? You totally got yourself a lemon. No, no, no. I didn't give myself a lemon.
    31:12
    You know, and I think we've talked about it before. Me and you have talked about it. And David Van Esk has admitted, he's told me, they released the game way, way too early. Right. And that's just what's going on. Okay. Yeah, I mean, so with Labyrinth, they had four years to get that game together and make it happen. They had to rush. Enzo says, in fest, UK was playing for three days, 11 hours, didn't miss a beat. Yeah. They just released it way too early. I mean, I was just at a friend's arcade two days ago, and it was down. and they had to do all kind of modifications to keep it running, and their arcade is rarely open.
    32:03
    So, I mean, there's issues with it. It just – it was not something stable enough to be at an arcade that's open – All the time almost. 24 hours a day. Right. I had – Oh, yeah. She said when it's working, she likes it. said when working. It's fun. Yeah.
    32:27
    I've had really good experiences playing it. But I think what people most people involved in pinball do not have to operate these things. Right. Do not. To them they're just toys they have at home. It's a whole different world when you are rely on these things to make money with just case in point i had somebody who worked just recently i had somebody who works uh for bales of fun get in touch with me and say you should give this game a second chance and we had a long conversation and he mentioned but there's still issues with this and that and this and those little issues are what would keep the machine down because you guys So if somebody is playing the game and they run into these issues, they're going to turn it off.
    33:26
    And so there's just a huge disconnect between people that have these machines at home as a toy that's only open – I mean it's only on for like two hours at a time or something like that. And if it malfunctions, they can turn it off and turn it back on. I mean just to put what you said into perspective, and I'm kind of talking to Rachel, but I'm talking to both you guys. but I feel like she's going to know this number cold. I have – I'll just use Harry Potter, for instance, because you guys saw it and were like, oh, my gosh, that would probably be really difficult to service because there's so much stuff. Right. I have – I've had it for, what, I don't know, a couple months, and there's 450 plays on it. And that was on-site at Electric Bat, and it was working the whole time. How many plays would a game have?
    34:12
    Yeah, so in two days. So in two days, she has what I have on in two months. Right, right. So, like, that's a big difference. For sure. In all of them. For sure.
    34:25
    Oh, yeah. Oh, that's true, too, environmentally. I mean, you have all those environmental factors that I – I'm in a controlled environment. It's, like, perfect. Everything is perfect. Yeah, you don't know what's going to happen, really. No, it's true. I mean, there's only a couple of manufacturers that are actually looking at these as commercial devices. Yeah. you know, it's a different world. I can, what? I don't feel like, if this is a good conversation I'm not, I'm not. I have a great story. No, no, no, I'm not leaving my body. I have a great story about all this when it comes to Galactic Tank Force. Okay. And I don't know how many people followed our adventure with that. I did. Because we had the same issues at my previous place. So the game riddled with issues, like software issues, hardware issues, all kind of issues. We were all excited about this game. It's like weird. It's really quirky.
    35:27
    It was cool for pinball, the campiness of it. It was really cool. And so, you know, we were trying to get in touch with the folks at American Pinball. They wouldn't really do much until David Fix called us. And he admitted the only reason he got in touch with us is because he didn't realize we had a popular podcast. And his friends were like, why are you not helping these people out with the machine? And he said, because we have a popular podcast, he decided to give us a call and help us. Yeah, but he should be doing that. Well, that's why they're not in existence anymore. Right. You know what I mean? Right, right. It's that kind of bullshit. Right, right. It gets worse. Okay. And so now he tried to work out over the phone. We're on the phone trying to – he's like, you know what? I'm just going to send you a brand-new machine. That is unheard of with pinball manufacturers. They're just going to send you a whole brand-new machine? So were they going to just pick up the old one and just send – they were literally just going to microplace, boom, new one. Yeah. Okay. And we didn't hear from him. We were like, is it going to happen? Are we getting a shipping confirmation? So he sends us a brand-new machine, and it's already been opened. And he calls us. He's like, we hope you got the machine okay. I had Stephen, what's his name? Stephen Bowden play it for 45 minutes to make sure it was functioning properly.
    36:58
    45 minutes doesn't seem like a lot. I think you need more time than 45 minutes. That's not really a good bake-in. But anyway, we got a brand-new machine. We set it up. Long story short, it's having all the exact same issues. Yeah. And so finally, we're having a conference call. It's me and Rachel with David Fix, Stephen Bowden, and their programmer. I can't remember his name.
    37:21
    These are all great people. Really, it seemed like they were trying to solve the issue. Yeah, trying to really help you guys, yeah. And, you know, we're telling them about all these issues with the game. And they're all like, there's no issues. We haven't heard anybody say anything. I have my friend that has it on 24-7 at a laundromat, and there's no issues. There's no issues with the game. I was like, man, there's a lot of damn issues. We ended up selling this machine. So then I'm hanging out with Jim Belsito at a tournament. I have no idea who Jim Belsito is. He's got a cool name, though. He runs. Wicked cool name. Belsito. He's an absolute legend. Okay. He started InDisc. Have you heard of InDisc? I have, yes. Okay. I bet you they've been, right? He is a mega operator. He's a great guy.
    38:16
    So he wanted to put Galactic Tank Force in InDisc, but he knew there was all kinds of problems with it. Yeah. Any operator knew. so he gets in touch with with somebody who knew davis fixer long story short he got in touch with davis fixer steven bowden and said i'm putting this game in end desk you guys need to fix it and they got they got together and and started fixing all the problems they wrote new code for it they put fans and heat sinks on on the coil on the flipper coils change the flipper coil Were they doing it just to this specific unit that was going to go there? Yes. Okay, not like just. Well, they didn't want their machine, their pride and joy on Carl's stream. They didn't want it to fail. And then they both went on podcasts, David Fix and Stephen Bowden, saying, oh, like I said, like they're at a parade going, oh, we fixed all the problems with Galactic Tank Force. And I'm listening to this going, you guys said there was no damn problem. Yeah. Did they ride in on the tank thing during the parade? No, they didn't use that. That would have made it so much easier. In my mind, I saw them riding it. But it's just like it just shows you it's a really different scope. When you're the manufacturer making this product and you have tight deadlines and you're trying to release this, and you can't just come out and say, yeah, we screwed this thing up. Because once it's in public, all you're worried about is sales.
    39:46
    You're just worried about sales. Well, David, that was all bologna and cheese because we had one of the first signature editions at my previous place.
    39:56
    And we were not – David Fix said don't play four-player on stream. Please don't stream it because we wasn't ready. Labyrinth of Dune.
    40:06
    No, David Fix. Oh, my bad. You're talking about Galactic Hangforce. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you can't play – yeah. And it was the same thing with Dune. the one we got, you couldn't play multiple players. In all seriousness, I think my opinion of Barrels of Fun, let's put a bow on them, right? Because I don't want to talk about them anymore. Because there's people there that hate me anyway, so I'd rather not. For no good reason. God bless them. Whatever. I don't care. I think they obviously botched their launch. Because I think they got crushed between King Kong and Harry Potter, and not know when to launch it. Yeah.
    40:48
    But the new code, honestly, I think once people really see the new shit, I think they're really going to like it. The one that just came out? It just – Well, it bricked my friend's machine. So you can't see the code if it's bricking the machine. I don't know what to tell you, brother. I think it's going to be great. I really do. I really liked it. No, no, I think – I've seen – when it's working and I've seen, like, videos of it, It's looking like, and especially the stuff that Jeff's doing audio-wise, it seems like it's going to be really fun to play. But I think, to your point, probably a home machine and not an on-location machine. I think that's fair to say. What if we settle on that? What do you think of that? Yeah, but why do you want a $12,000 brick? Well, you're not going to get those in the code. The latest code, brick the machine, but it's okay for home? I don't get that. I mean, when it's working. When it's working, it's good. I don't know if I'm going to be able to get you on that. So you have no issues spending that much money for something that might be working? Oh, no. If it happened to me, I'd be pissed. Oh, okay. I haven't had a – I'm trying to think. So, so far – now, obviously, everyone knows I'm very stern heavy. But, like, the biggest issues – I really could say they're very, very minor issues that I've ever had with any stern machine. Right, right, right. Easy stuff. Like, stupid things. Like a coil stop wasn't screwed in enough and it fell out. Man, I screwed it back in. Like, dumb shit. Shit that I can fix in two seconds. So nothing ever bad.
    42:15
    I'm like, what? I'm just saying, what? Is this bad? No, it's doing him. He has a chat doing it. Ladies, you know that they don't like me. Right? All right, okay. You know, I got one more thing. Let's talk about that. Let's go. Jesus. Why don't they like me? They won't talk to you anymore because I was on your podcast. I'm not going down. Okay, okay.
    42:43
    Real quick, real quick. I have a Galactic Tank Force story that I can't. Ladies and gentlemen, I love Kale very much, but the opinions of Kale are opinions of Kale. That's right. Right? Okay? It isn't fair if Kale says something. Do you realize, and I don't know if you guys know this or are listening, Kale said something two shows ago. And then everyone on Pinside said I said it and then just started like attacking me for it. I'm like, no, but I don't understand. Okay, like, think about us like CNN or SportsCenter. We talk about this. You don't get mad at the one pundit that says something. You're that pundit, okay? And that's your opinion. Al Sharpton. You can be whoever the hell you want. It's the roundtable. But don't get mad at one of the other pundits. There needs to be a reflection on if I say I love a game and everyone hates that game, they should be like, rouse the moron for not liking that game. They shouldn't be like, Jamie, you didn't say that. I said it. Exactly. So I don't want to get roped into your – But also, I think – Because I get roped in. That's the – But, Jamie, check this out. When CNN – Everyone still wants to know what's under your blanket. See, people think you're naked. There's so many blanket comments.
    43:56
    I don't like the way the shorts are riding up my crotchie. Jamie, I think this is what happened. so when cnn fox news msnbc has a controversial guest on uh-huh lots of times people will blame i can't believe cnn okay they suck they shouldn't have given that person uh a platform and it's called the jbs show oh yeah true so i think that's why they don't yeah well you got blamed on on uh Pinside. That's why you went to Pinside is your fault. But I think that's why they don't like you anymore because you're the one that hit upload.
    44:36
    Well, I did. Because you don't believe in censorship. No. Your opinion of your experience with Barrels of Fun was not good for you. Correct. Okay? My experience with Barrels of Fun has been great for me. So I'm going to allow it to a point. But not still. Not anymore. I don't know. There's no experience. No. Well, and in my case, if I'm going to chime in here, in my case, I have a home to Dune, so I can't speak on how a homeowner's experience is. I have one more story that goes with your galactic tank force. I cannot name names because I don't want anybody to get in trouble. Ian Jacoby wants to tip me. But this was so. We don't have a thousand. Oh, is Ian out there? We don't have a thousand.
    45:15
    We don have a thousand It ends up saying when is D leaving I not getting rid of D right now Can we give Ian a tip I don You can do a reverse tip No You can do reverse tips So, all right. So, in Galactic Tank Force, there was some drama that happened on Galactic Tank Force, the trailer. And I don't know if you remember, there were people that were complaining about the trailer. It was very cool, right? It was cool. With all the weird acting and stuff? Oh, it can't be shit. Yeah. It was cool, but here's the thing. if you really watch it back closely, there was a lot of stuff that was just, it was so quick cut. Yeah. And the reason why is the game didn't work. So during that trailer, it wasn't working. How do you know? You just have some inside info, huh? Well, I'm not going to say why. No, no, I didn't shoot it. Oh, no, that's on Pinside now.
    46:06
    Pinside, Ralph shot it. He effed it up. It's all good. So, no, but the person that filmed it was working with them, and they were getting pissed at him for sending – basically, like, imagine me sending you a broken game, and then you being the guy to have to film it. And I'm like, Kale, where's my video? Like, it's been 24 hours, and you don't have a proof for me yet. And you'd be like, well, the game doesn't work. And that's what he kept saying. Like, it doesn't work. And so he was basically like – it was blowing fuses and stuff. Oh, wow. So he'd get it. He'd basically put the fuses in. This is jacked up. He'd play it for as long as he could until the fuses blew, and then he basically – so he bought, like, a shitload of fuses, which is probably unsafe in general. So he was filming, fuses blow, filming, but it wasn't like – You could just put a breaker in there. Well, probably. Yeah. But anyway, so – and not only that, all the code was screwed up, and then the lock in the back never worked right. So, like, he didn't show a lot of the things in the game, and there was a certain media outlet that picked up, like, on it and was just trying to – trashing. Like, why didn't you show this and that? And he kind of got trashed. And then Fix ended up, like, throwing him under the bus in public all over the place, like as if he was the reason why it was screwed up. So it was kind of messed up. So I lost a little bit of respect for David Fix when that happened. Albert wants Cale to pick one.
    47:26
    What? Oh. Pick what? Okay, let me do this. That's orbital Albert. Now, here's the thing. Pick one for what? Let's just assume pick one for the back. Well, I'm... Well, do you want to put some stipulation? Like, this is such a... Whatever.
    47:46
    Sorry. I was hoping you would do it. Me? Yeah, I was hoping you would ask him. Do I have to have it on the floor?
    47:53
    Well, yeah. It's got to make money. Yeah, but I feel like you should make it... Well, that's neither... They both have just made... Okay. For real, it would have to be... Dune. No. Get out of here. No, it doesn't... It doesn't fucking work. Can we make it? All right, how about this? Here's the thing. It works. Let's just say it works. The both of them work. Which one are we going to pick if they both work? That's a dumb question. Oh, my God. It's Albert's question. Albert's the one that asked it. No, but I'm going to ask it in the state it is right now. I think Galactic Tank Force would be less of a headache. I've tried to operate Dune in a place with a lot of traffic that it is hard. I mean, we waste money. Like, Rachel spent. I'm so glad I brought this up. Rachel spent hours and hours and hours, did write-ups to David Van Ness, be like, you need to fix this, you need to fix this, this is not working. And they were admitting, like, they didn't even, first of all, they didn't test it with multiple players. Like, we would play a four-player game and, like, just the flippers would stop working. I just, and I talked to some people who said that issue is still there. There's something we can learn here, I think. I don't think people – No, seriously, let's think about this. Don't you think that – all right, I'm speaking for someone that I spent a good amount of time at your guys' arcade, so I know how heavily trafficked it is and that the players are serious. They can be rough on the machines. But to me, I'm just saying if I was a manufacturer and I knew I was sending a game to you guys, I would make sure that that thing is bulletproof before it gets sent out. He didn't know. But that's what I mean. Do you think that like – I find it hard to believe, though, that there are manufacturers that don't know that you guys have this kind of an environment. I started this with there is a major disconnect with even you about what – you've been to the back. Yeah, I mean I think I have a good feel for it. You don't. Okay.
    49:59
    People – this is a completely different animal. I mean, this is a machine that's not – your machine is going to be on for 24 hours a day and getting played. That's not going to do with people being rough with the machine. It's just going to be getting played. You know, there are going to be ram dumps. There are going to be, like, stuff that just doesn't operate properly because this machine is on for so long. It is heated up. You know, David thought this machine was ready for prime time. he didn't know what he didn't know yeah because it hadn't been through that battle test yet I agree with Enzo, Enzo says you can't ride off a machine shit happens, give him a chance that's some wise I think we need to change the subject I think we killed this one for somebody to say something like that they still don't get it so right now I'm like I'm supposed to give it a second chance I just went to a friend's arcade where the software update bricked the machine, and they had to like – like time is money for us. If this was at home, I would have no issue with it. But like just two days ago, we were at a friend's arcade, and they had the machine taken apart because it wouldn't work.
    51:23
    Yeah, I get you. I feel like we were – But here's also the thing. here's also the thing when you're operating any machine that hits the floor that first it's like the first impression period no just listen the first yeah yeah you did like i gotta educate you guys on this now you're doing great you will you guys will never do what i do no sir most people in the world will never do what i do yeah and at at the beginning the first few months that's when you make your money. Okay. That's when the rocket ship of all the – when I watch your guys' podcasts, it's the new game. Right. So everybody's like, oh, you know, they're fixing the issues. Give it another chance. But, like, now you've missed that peak of when you make most of your money because you want to get this game paid off in six to 12 months. Okay. So it's like – so now – So that's your ROI period. Right. So now people are like, well, it's better than it was before, so now get it.
    52:34
    And so I'm like, I'm gambling. You want me to spend like $10,000, $11,000, $12,000? I don't know how much. Listen, $11,000 to gamble with it again when it was just fucked up at my friend's arcade two days ago, right? I get that. And then you guys are spending time. It's time away from other things you could be doing. Explain to me why that makes sense on my side. I'm going to go get a Diet Coke. Yeah. So just to – Oh, the legs. The legs.
    53:06
    Okay. Oh, finally. Okay. Oh, jeez. I'm in the middle. This is how you get me to – We were trying – I'll tell you, we were trying to get Rachel in here from the get-go. You fired her up. I think Cale was saying all that because he could see me with my head in my hands back there.
    53:26
    We actually have different opinions about this. Okay. Somewhat. Because Dune for me is a dream theme, and I'm willing to help a company that I think, you know, whenever I see them trying to make something cool, I want to help them try and make something cool.
    53:47
    There's a limit to how much time I can put into something. So I guess that's kind of where, for us, when people are saying, like, give it another chance, give it another chance, I think the game is cool. Because when we were at our friend's arcade the other day, they did, you know, they had to get the keyboard out and, you know, go into Unix or whatever it is. And by the time we left the arcade, it was up and running. So we got to play it with the new code. I think it's fun. But it had that pain box glitch because they had to revert. Yeah. There's still some issues. but that wasn't a game-breaking issue. Right, right. So I think the game is fun. And I think whenever Kale is talking about this, it sounds like Kale doesn't like the game. We had a blast playing the game.
    54:39
    It's just not ready for us to operate. it is ready I think for home use for sure because you know this code update didn't brick every machine sometimes shit just happens with these things I think it could be okay for an arcade that has attendants that are there all the time they could do some resets things like that. The perfect storm of electric bat makes a game have to be bulletproof as far as these types of issues that require you to turn the game off and on again and things like that because we just can't do that. There's just too much going on, too much play and again, very few places have games on for 22-23 hours a day and it's just a lot that happens to a game in that amount of time.
    55:45
    So, like, whenever it's like, whenever Kale says it's not ready, it's not ready for us. I mean, he has, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but I think that the game, I think the bones of the game are very cool, and I think the code is improving, and whenever the code, if they had had the amount of time for Dune that they had for Labyrinth, I think this game, it would be a different story. I do think this game will get there.
    56:19
    I don't know. Do you think it will get there? I don't know. I don't know because, I mean, Ralph said his labyrinth had all kind of issues, and they had four years to fix that, right? My labyrinth had to – so my labyrinth was one of, like, the first – so I found this. The serial badge thing was never put on it, the relic number, and mine was eight. Oh, God. So it was brand new. I didn't know that, so I bought it. So you got people with brand new screwdrivers putting together a pinball machine. Yeah, so I bought mine, like, years after it had been released, or a year, well, I don't know. How long has that game been out now? It's probably a couple. That much? Yeah, so it's got a couple years, right? Yeah, a couple years. Yeah, so I think I bought mine a year and a half in. The thing is, whoever owned it before me probably didn't realize that a lot of it wasn't playing right, So I had to do, like, a lot of tweaks to it to get it to play right. I never had, like, there wasn't, like, reboots or anything software related. It was all, like, geometry type stuff that they did fix in later runs. So I had to kind of tweak the heck out of mine. So, I mean, to answer your question, we don't know. But what I do know is, I mean, it's from, I mean, David Van Ness has told me. They have one programmer, and they are taxing the shit out of him. And every time he pushes an update, he breaks something else. They have a very stripped-down crew, and everything David has told me and other employees there doesn't make me feel good about them being able to turn this into a rock-solid product. That's just the vibe I get from actually people from the inside telling me that. um so i'll but i'll i wouldn't you're risking a for home use i'm sure it's absolutely fine for an arcade that has attendance there all the time but for an arcade that's open almost 24 hours a day 375 days a year this is this is not the kind of you you can't spend you know over ten thousand dollars on a product that might work agreed agreed yeah but okay so that's that's where i am i wanted to i wanted to voice my thank you rachel appreciate you coming in and uh i'm gonna oh i need another one of those wow this is the longest answer to answer question ever asked on any pin pod including roger sharp We have William103. Now would you rather route Galactic Tank Force or Hot Dogging? Of course Hot Dogging. Hot Dogging all day long. I'll tell you something really interesting. Rachel realized when she was – we had a power outage, and she was crawling around under the machines resetting the mechanical timers.
    59:10
    Because all the machines come on at like 5 a.m. and of course we're not there at 5am and that's because the bar that you operate in opens at 5am right? They open at 6. But the games come on an hour before that's right. So two games were plugged into the wrong outlet and they've literally been on for 24 hours a day for the past two months and have not had zero issues. It was Jurassic Park and Medieval Madness. Which is the remake. Nice, the remake.
    59:46
    They did not turn off in two months, didn't have any software issues, didn't have any mechanical issues, didn't overheat. Dune overheated within like a week. It just melted coils.
    60:05
    Alright, so we have not answered, I think, a single question in the Let's get going. Do we have – hey, happy Labor Day. Happy Labor Day. We're here. You know what? It's true. We're here working, so you don't have to. That's right. What's up, Joe?
    60:26
    I am going to change the subject, if you will. Yeah. I feel – I wish that we – Scooby-Doo was not bad. Halloween was. Scooby-Doo was not bad. We were able to – See, I don't like the way I look. We should have asked them the questions beforehand. We should have asked them to give us questions beforehand. Yeah, just throw them in there. Like, whatever it is, it doesn't matter. I just don't like the way my legs look, guys. I don't want to spread all over myself. Your legs are fine. You look like a wicked, distorted body. Why are you worried about body dysmorphia? Your legs are fine. You have more legs than I do. Is it more about your shorts? It's the shorts right there. Okay, well, when you do that, that's a danger zone. Don't do that. You don't want to cross your leg and then make it go up more. What'd you miss, Joe? I think it's going to get Jamie in more trouble. That sounds fun for me. I love it. I can't wait to get back to the H-Town. They're going to welcome me in open arms.
    61:27
    You didn't do anything. With arms wide open. You didn't do anything. Of course. You're fine. Everything's fine. All right. You know about Creed? Did I ever tell you my Creed story?
    61:38
    You like Creed? Well, I've gotten to meet Mark Tremonti like three or four times. Hey, where's this going?
    61:44
    So, you know, I used to play in a band. Are you talking about Creed? Like, should I bend it on Sunday morning? That Creed? Yeah. Yeah, Mark Tremonti. He's a huge pinballer, dude. Yeah.
    61:57
    You ready? I'm ready. I want to know where this is going. Well, it's not just so like we are. I was in a band. We toured around for a decade. That's what I did when all of my friends graduated high school and went to college. I was like, well, I'm starting a band, and we're going to make money doing that. So we did that for a decade. And we were playing a show at the Chameleon Club in Atlanta. And our tour manager called and said, hey, we have this band that's going to open up for you.
    62:28
    It's one of my buddy's bands out of Florida. We're like, oh, okay, cool, whatever. We show up. and it's these guys named Creed.
    62:40
    Is this like the first show they've played, or is this like – Yeah. Okay, so they're like brand new right now. This is the first time they ever played a show out of Florida. Okay. And – So they played, just they hadn't played anywhere else. Correct. Except for their home state. Correct. Okay, cool. Man, these are the nicest guys in the world. Oh, yeah. We hung out with them all night long. I was like, hey, do you all want to get high? They were like, oh, no, we don't do that. But they're just like really sweet guys. And we listened. They played. We hung out with them all night. They played a show. And we were like, man, this is never going to sell. I mean, what is this, like, mall?
    63:16
    For real, we were like, what is this, like, mall metal? What is going on here? And, man, just like shortly after that, they exploded. Yeah. Absolutely exploded. But they're all genuinely absolutely amazing people. So that's a cool story. They were really nice. I got a chance to meet Alter Bridge, which is one Scott's kind of lost his mind on Creed. They brought in Miles Kennedy. And we had Wolfgang Van Halen's birthday party at my old place. And I have a good relationship with his tour manager. And we actually delivered a pinball machine to backstage at Creed. I got to hang out with them all backstage. Got to play with them. And is Scott back now? Yeah, Scott's back. But they're also going to do another tour with Alter Bridge with Miles and I. Very cool. Miles Kennedy. So there's a Creed pinball machine coming soon? Is that what you guys are talking about? No. Interesting thing. I was talking to Mark Tremonti, and I said – I was actually talking to Wolfie Van Halen and his mom, Valerie Bartinelli. They were at the Worm, and we were talking with them. I said, dude, why is there not a Van Halen pinball machine? I go, give me a break. Yeah. Van Halen. Right. And which Van Halen? Well, that's Wolfie. The first thing out of Wolfie's mouth was too many lead singers. Too many were not. You could never get everyone to agree on the license. And Mark was right there. And Mark goes, you know, all of my all of my music is in my contract that says my license. My music is free for licensing on pinball machines. And I said, no way. He goes, yeah. In fact, you're going to see that coming out. And at the same time, Venom was coming out. And I said, so it's on Venom, huh? And he goes, how could you possibly know that? I go, I'm on pinball, you know, whatever. And I showed him all the stream. And then we sat down in the stream, and the audio was off.
    65:18
    I fucked up the audio on OBS, dude. I sat with Mark Tremonti for 45 minutes talking pinball, and all you see is our mouths moving.
    65:32
    45 minutes I sat with Tremonti. I kicked his ass on one of the machines. You know what? Some things never change, Jamie. That sucks, Jamie. Can you believe that? I was chilling with Tremonti. But, yeah, you know, I've seen expenses having a go. But Steven said, please do Van Halen this game. So Adam says, with legs wide open.
    65:58
    Yeah, let's do Adam. So Adam says, Raven, Lethal Weapon 3, or Demolition Man. Easy. Demolition Man. Easy, Demo Man. Absolutely. That is a cool game. That's a banger. Amazing game. Demo Man is an absolute banger. Yeah, Demo Man. Yeah. And do you use?
    66:14
    Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. The whole time. No, for me, it's not even the point. You got really excited about Demolition Man. You're like super bummed. Dude, I love that. But for me, it's not even for the points because a lot of people will play with the flippers, and then when they get to the multi-ball, they'll move. I don't do it for that. I just could do that because what other game are you going to play with these freaking handles? That's pretty wild. That's just so cool. Oh, we lost the light. We're fine. Good thing I brought two other ones. Yeah, we're fine. We're good with light. We're good.
    66:40
    Creed sounds like Stone Temple Pilots cover band, and that's the thing. You've got to think, I'm in a band. They're like, we're sending a band out of Florida. you've never heard of that open up for you. And then that's exactly what we thought. We were like, it's like a – Like you felt like it was a cover, like they were covering – We felt like it was like a – you know, because they're like – they were wearing like these JNCO-like pants, like big, like double barrels with the racist stripes down the side. And I was like – I think that would have been popular. What mall did they just leave from? You know, Orlando was weird back then. Yeah. Because I went to high – I finished high school in Orlando, and they just – you know, we were rocking Z Cabarets. Jesus, some weird shit. Did you realize when I moved back to, when I moved, like, back west, when I moved west, I was, like, sharing things that were East Coast things with people, and they, like, didn't know any of them. And one of them was like, hey, growing up, you ever wear Z Cavaricci pants? I don't even know what you're talking about. You don't know Z? No. They were like, what the hell is Z Cavaricci? Dude, did you not feel so cool because you could move the thing and you had the little tab? What are they talking about? Dude, I had, like, three pairs of Z's. Dude, Z Cavaricci. I had three pairs of Z's. You know what they're talking about? I'm telling you So you guys had What do they call it? Z-caveriches? They were cut so weird Kind of like MC Hammer pants Once in a while A little bit With like Bro I had two pair Or three pair of Z's And Someone else has that I bet Joe had to have Z-caveriches You think he got those up in Canada? Is that No The Jenkos are coming back in style That's what I've heard the Jenkos are back They have them They're fully back Like, they're back. They're back. Dude, Z Cavaricci. I know. Does that brand still exist? We had a charity event where it was like 80s, 90s, and I tried to find some parents, but I couldn't. Are we doing a giveaway at 100? Is that 100 viewers? I'll do a giveaway. I got some stuff. How do we even know? Let me see what we have. I'll give away some stuff. If we can get to 100, we'll give some shit away. We have 86 right now. Can we give away a hoodie? Or would you rather a t-shirt?
    68:47
    We have 84 people. She races like that. Hoodies are expensive, dude. Don't give away hoodies. At 100, Z's were not in South Carolina. See? Oh, no way. Really? Why? David is where I'm from. Okay. We didn't have to. You would have got beat up in South Carolina if you came around with your little Italian jeans. I'm telling you. Oh, I would have gotten beat up. No question. But I mean, this comes from Long Island, so I thought I was hot shit. I thought I was so cool with those on. We were.
    69:19
    Don't even worry about it. Don't even listen to him. He's in the South. They don't have no shit. We were rocking Z's. Did you ever have a Technicolor shirt?
    69:29
    No, I didn't like those. Hypercolor. The one that you touch and they turn. I've never had that. Man, y'all wore some weird shit. I never had that, but people had them, though.
    69:39
    Do you remember when, like, Criss Cross, the group Criss Cross was big? Yeah, they wore their pants backwards. I never did it, by the way. I never did it. You guys wore cross-colors, didn't you? I did not. You know what I'm talking about, right? I wore... That was when FUBU was a popular brand, too. That brand is still here, I think. Damon, who gave our buddy, the VP Cab, some money.
    70:01
    Remember? Damon started FUBU. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. The guy that used Shark Tank, guys. Yeah. Yeah, he started for us, by us. He propped up VP Cab. Yeah, yeah. Yes, he did. Yeah, I actually bought one. That's the Kevin Bacon connection I'm making. I bought a VP Cabs cabinet because I was like, oh, this is backed by someone. So that was actually my first virtual pinball machine. I don't have one anymore. I'd much rather talk about Z Cab Reaches than talk about Dune.
    70:30
    Hugo Boy pinball, someone said. I'll talk Z's all day, ladies and gentlemen. But if he brings up Dune again, I'm going to lose my mind. I don't know what those are. Where's Zuba? I don't know what Zuba pants are. No, I don't know Zuba. What's Zuba pants? Do you know that, Rachel?
    70:48
    No, Rachel doesn't know either. We don't know Zuba pants. How many people do we have? We've got 84. They're trying to get to 100. All right. Well, I'd like to get to 100, too. It's a new channel, ladies and gentlemen. You get an electric bat t-shirt. Yeah, that's nice. Electric bat koozie. Does that work, Rachel?
    71:05
    I don't know what Zubas are. What the hell are Zubas? What about soap shoes? Even Ian is talking about Zubas. No, rock soap shoes. No. I don't know what that is. All right, I need to update. Let's talk pinball for a second.
    71:18
    We are the worst. Ralph me anything's ever. I know. Ralph and I started when we got there on Saturday.
    71:27
    We started playing. We thought we would do a best of 20. By the way, Enzo, I'm not ignoring your geometry issues on D&D. I'll get to it in a second.
    71:36
    He's not letting it go, he said. No, he's, I know. I have parachute pants, Franchi. I have parachute pants on. I breakdanced in Long Island. I'm about to do something that's going to seem awkward, but I'm letting you know because I feel like we're all really good friends. Okay. These pants do this weird thing where it pushes me down, so I'm going to, like, adjust myself real quick. But it's not an awkward thing. It's just weird. I'm sorry I'm doing it. Okay, I'm good. Thank you. So we started. It's weird. It feels really uncomfortable. It's like the most uncomfortable thing. Someone's pressing on it. It sucks. We started at a best of 20, and we've played eight games so far. I think we're going to go back tonight. Can I update everyone on where we are with the tournament? Yeah, let's update. Does anybody else have underwear that does that? Like, every now and then, it's like a couple pairs I have that pushes everything down. It's the thoughts. I'm so glad we let everybody know that.
    72:24
    All right, so day one. Our day one on the tournament. So we played Batman 66. Jamie won. We played big game. Ralph won.
    72:34
    Me. We did Bond. I won. Yeah. I had a really good game, too. I sucked on Bond. But I was helping you out on Bond. No, not true. Jurassic Park, Jamie won. TNA, I won. Dracula, Jamie won. I left him a multiple. World Cup soccer, I don't know what the hell happened to you because me winning that is, like, not even normal. Yeah, I couldn't find the ramps. Yeah, I don't know what the hell happened to you. I don't know. I choked. And then Iron Maiden, I won. The one thing that's weird, though, Jamie was doing this thing. the whole time you've been here, you're getting fancy when you don't need to get fancy. And I don't understand why you're doing that. Because I've been working on something at home on really nudging and dead bouncing. I'm dead bouncing. I'm really working on my dead bouncing. Because if I want to get to under 1,000, if I want to get to Kale's level, I've got to dead bounce. You watch these guys. They slam machines, right? I know, but you were doing that. And so I've been dead bouncing way too much when I should just be letting it go. He was just trying to get fancy. I'm getting fancy. He was pulling out this fancy thing, and then he'd fumble rooski it. He'd do, like, this fumble with his flippers. I don't know what was going on. But anyway, I don't know why he did that. One thing I noticed about you. Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. When I was coaching you on hotdogging, you did exactly what you were supposed to do. You did very well. Yeah. It was amazing. So it proves that you have the skills to make it happen. Yeah. You're thinking too much. Yeah. You're thinking way too much. Fumble rooski. And on last night of the tournament, Serge stopped commentating to go, hey, Jamie, do this, do that. It was like three steps, and you did all of them perfectly. You had a reject. I did. That was unlucky. And it's on the VOD. You can go back and watch it at twitch.tv slash electric bat arcade, the most recent video. I was on – well, at that point, I was 2-0. Okay. We're talking about Chewy's tournament yesterday, and I'm talking to Ralph, and in the corner of my eye, I see him rolling the rig, and I knew it. It was one of us, and I was praying he was going to put it on big game at the time. I wanted it to be on big game. That would have been great. Yeah, because you play big game quite well. I played it well. But he didn't. He put it on 007, the Bond 60th, and I choked like a chicken. Just choked. There's a woman at the bat. I don't know her name, but she crushes Bond 60th. Do you know who I'm talking about? She can roll it like three times in one ball. She's insane.
    75:03
    She's a little older. Stephanie. Yeah. She was in that game. She put up like 9,000. She owned the shit out of that game. It's freaking pretty cool to watch. Yeah, yeah. Anyway. But you were on with her, so I mean, that was like on my last game, I was on with John Choppel and Fay. Like, I knew nothing was going to happen. Exactly. I was screwed. What's the verdict? Joe wants to know what is the verdict on new code for John Wick, and he's specifically asking Jamie.
    75:30
    So I did get to play the new code for John Wick. My verdict is eh. You don't like it? I don't like John Wick at all. No, but, Joe, he doesn't like the game, period. Right, the layout. You don't even like the layout of it. The code will never. It doesn't matter. Okay, so. He doesn't like the layout. Would you rather have John Wick or Dune? Dune. Okay. But you don't like the – let's get this cleared up. You do not – you don't like the layout of John Wick, though. Not at all. Yeah, so why – do you like Black Knight? Yeah. Sword of Rage? Yeah, but I like the – I'm very rare. I like the L.A. premium version more than the pro. Oh, really? I don't like the pro. So your issue with John Wick, you think the shots are too tight and it's too fast, right? I think the shots are too tight. It's too fast. You really have no idea what you're doing, although the new code is much, much better. I'll give it to them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're trying. Yeah. Okay? Oh, Stern. You're trying. You're trying hard, Stern. Okay, but what did they – What happened with Wason? What do you think happened there?
    76:37
    Now we're talking about Stern and code. What do you mean? Nobody said anything. It's like – well, no, he just was off. He was just off the project and then no one really said anything. I don't know. Oh, you're talking about – no, but Waston wasn't – No, I'm jumping around. Oh, you just jumped to X-Men. Yeah, I jumped to X-Men. I love X-Men. You were done with what I was saying. I freaking love – He was done with it. I'm the biggest – I fucking love the new X-Men code, and it's going to get better. I love X-Men. I had it, and I stole it. That's what I was about to say. You speak with your wallet. You sold X-Men, and then you played the new code, and you're like, I'm going to buy another one. I played that. Remember, you were like, check it out, Ralph. Right. I played it. I was like, oh, my God, I wicked like this. It's tremendously better. That is the biggest endorsement. He's like, I have to buy this thing. I got to get it back. Yeah. I love it. It is really good. It is so cool. It has some mechanical things that you're just going to have to deal with and tweak. You can't get past that. I think, I don't know, maybe in the later runs they fixed it. I had to do a couple of mods. But after that, just know that going in, if you're cool with that, you have to do a couple of mods. I fucking love that game. Some people complain about the flipper hop on the left flipper. I got the mod for that, but there's an official Stern fix for it. You just have to tell them. If you do a support ticket and say, hey, I want the – it's a little – it's a metal fix. I have it in my house. I haven't put it in yet, but – Okay. Yeah, there's an official fix. Tim Sexton was John Wick. Yeah. And a new Wick code is everything playtask accrue. Okay, fine. I am – speaking of, I am really excited about what Tim's going to do with Halo because you would think that's what he's working on, right? I would think so, yeah. Man, this is going to be a banger. You really are excited about Halo? 100%. I think Halo is going to be cool, too. Look what they did with Play Mechanics. When is it going to come out, though? It's going to be forever, right? I don't like Pulp Fiction.
    78:27
    It's good. No. Dude, it's not a good game. He's going to get so mad at me. Bro, you're not going to get mad at me. It's not a good game. You know. It's a great game. You know. Hey, listen. We're on the same page. Yeah. What?
    78:43
    Jamie's view of a lot of things is like distorted. Why is it distorted? If I don't agree with him, that's when it becomes distorted. That's how it becomes distorted. We don't want to hear the rest of this. Wait, what?
    78:59
    Why is it distorted? He doesn't want to say anything. Look, I don't like... He doesn't want to out me. I don't like some games that I think are too ridiculously hard. You think Pulp Fiction's hard? I think Pulp Fiction to really get a million, okay? You got to – the only way to get a million in Pulp is really to do modes and to get the – they'll get the spinner mode. Well, good luck getting that. You don't need the spinner mode. What if you get free gold watch? You're screwed. You don't need the spinner mode. You get free goal watch and you're dead. Good luck hitting that. It is not a hard game. Wow. I can't put up 200,000. What else don't you like as far as, like, modern games? Oh, all right. Yeah. Let's get into it. Houdini. I like Houdini. You like Houdini? I like Houdini. And you don't like John Wick? I like Houdini more than Wick. Let me answer a super quick question. Here we go. We got Paul Pinkerton. I got to answer a super quick question. Someone asked me if I get ball rejects on the staircase in Harry Potter. And I do. You have to, like, it has to hit that staircase with a certain amount of force. If you don't, it will actually reject. That's the one thing that does piss me off about that game. I've only played it one time. So, like, the staircase, there's that shot that rotates. This is the thing that turns. Yeah, it rotates. And if you're trying to shoot that and it's not enough force, it will, like, reject it. It does suck. It does do that. The pre-go watch is an arcade in San Francisco. I interviewed them, Serge. Sorry. I'm talking about that go watch. You're talking about modern games that Jamie doesn't like, right? That was your question? Yeah, modern games that Jamie doesn't like. Pulp Fiction. Do you like Johnny Mnemonic? Yeah, I like Johnny Mnemonic. It's a fun game. But that hand doesn't work all the time. It works on ours. Play ours. That hand, you go to multiple arcades and that hand is all out. It does work on your guys. It works on ours. I like that.
    81:05
    But he was saying one that you really don't like. What other one do you like? I don't love Foo Fighters. Oh, dude, that's a great game, bro. Why do you not like Foo Fighters? Because that's too hard. You know what? I'm sorry. But he's crazy. You like a lot of games that are hard, dude, and you're saying that game's too hard. That one's too hard. I'm sorry I brought this up. Let's change the topic.
    81:26
    Can we change the topic? He's annoying him so much that the round table. I used to use Commodore 64 in the house. We just found out Rachel used to run a – you didn't run a BBS, did you?
    81:39
    All right, Rachel used to do the BBS thing. I used to do the BBS thing. I used to code in BASIC on my Commodore 64. There you go. The reason why I wore this is because yesterday when we were doing the tournament stream, someone was in there with an Amiga screen name, so I decided I would represent Commodore. So those are the three that I don't love. Foo is good. I just suck at it. But, you know, I'm just – that's a game that doesn't speak to my eye. And I can't get the flow, and I F up New Orleans, and I just get fired up at it. How many times do you think you've played it in total, though? Oh, hundreds. Hundreds? Okay, okay. Okay, because I didn't like it the first, like, 10 or 20, and then I screwed it. So we can understand Jamie.
    82:22
    Give me three modern games you love that you think are just flawless. Well, I think Jurassic Park is flawless.
    82:32
    It's flawless. Now, we'll get tired if it's in your home all the time. Yeah, because it's the same shit all over again. But it is perfect. Yeah, I agree. Okay, there's nothing wrong with that game. See, we can agree on things. All right.
    82:48
    All right, what else do I think is really perfect? Just two more. Jaws is pretty perfect. Jaws, yeah. Okay. Great game. There's really not much going wrong with Jaws. So far, you're an L1 guy. Well, yeah, I do like L1. But when I say that, I hope you aren't going, well, I can't make the third an L1. Just speak from the heart, Jamie. I am. Okay. I'm trying to pick a third that I go to all the time of a modern pin where I'm at Eureka. Well, I play a shit ton of Evil Dead, and there's nothing wrong with Evil Dead. That's a good game. That's a good damn game. So I gravitate towards Evil Dead. If you want to, I'll tell you my absolute favorite out of all of them now is Batman 66. Oh, great game. Okay, because I can't stop playing Batman 66. I am so geeking on these minor villain characters and learning so much. There's so much to that code that, you know, you've got to change channels and shit. There's so much going on. It's cool. Did you see on the Nap Arcade was saying, and I don't know, I think he was saying like he's heard this rumor heat up. He was saying that on the docket sometime is a Batman 66 remake. I've heard that rumor. I have heard it. I love that idea because I think that game is really cool. With like a Spike 3 giant screen.
    84:15
    And I don't know. It doesn't need to be remastered, though. There's not much wrong in that game. No. Just a – well, I was about to say just vaulted, but now vault has a different term. Right. So maybe they would just re-release it. Re-release. Maybe not a remaster. It would be a re-release. Joe says this is a pinball, Jamie Birchall pinball therapy session. But Batman 66, everything about Batman 66 is perfect. I have a spin because you did three, right? Yeah, those are mine. I have a spin on Cale's question since clearly no one wants to ask questions. What about this year? What's your favorite game this year? That's released this year What are the games this year? So you've got Harry Potter You've got Evil Dead You've got Dune You've got King Kong and D&D What else? Was D&D this year? Oh yeah, it was in January I think that's Oh, and then you've got Turner Pinball Merlin's Arcade and you got, well, there's a couple remakes, too. What were the remakes?
    85:23
    Medieval Madness. They have to ship. That doesn't count. In our award show, they would have to ship.
    85:32
    Out of those, if we missed any, put them in there. Evil Dead. So your instant death. King Kong. Yours is King Kong. I like Evil Dead more.
    85:47
    It's just a little easier for me. I like the wide body I like starting mode It's just an easier coded game I'm evil dead I'm not going to go through the whole reasons Of what's close to it but I'm evil dead too Yeah but I'm thinking about it From a different perspective Because Yeah I'm trying to make Insider Connected Gives games Legs that no other game is going to have. I can't agree with you more. I actually said this on... Oh, was the Funhouse... Franchi said, was the Funhouse remake thing this year? Was it?
    86:33
    Either way, we're not going to talk about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't realize it was this year. But anyways, those are the ones we had. Because that's not the best game. Oh, wait, there is a question. Who would be excited for the I think you should leave... Oh, my God. Right here. I'd get the LE I don't know what this is Have you never seen that? No You have to stop what you're doing Is it on Netflix? Where is that? Rachel I think you should leave No It's a show called I think you should leave pinball You've never seen it? No The show is called I think you should leave And what they're saying is If there was a pinball I think you should leave Pinball Experience. It is one of the greatest shows in the history of television.
    87:24
    I can't believe you've never seen it. No. I don't know. Well, you both need – is it Netflix? Yes, Netflix. Okay.
    87:32
    Look up – watch it from the beginning to the end. It is one of the absolute – There's Guilty Pleasure Music is a question. I think it's a question. She also says maybe Cal needs to think about it from Jamie and Ralph's perspective. Oh, okay. Well, let me do that. Thanks, Chris. No, no, 100%. It is an awesome game. I love it. I'm playing it a lot. But if you're going to ask me which one I like better, it's going to be King Kong because in the life of that machine, it's going to make more money, especially because of Insider Connected. I am – and that's not me turning my nose up at Evil Dead at all. No, no, no. Evil Dead is an amazing, absolutely amazing machine, and I would love to have both of them. for sure as people who not only run arcades what do you think modern pinball machines have gained and what have they lost compared to the classics when it comes to pure player enjoyment that's a good question right i feel like you guys would be probably more qualified to answer that but what have they lost yeah what do you think modern pinball machines have gained and what have they lost compared to the classics when it comes to pure player enjoyment well uh what they've gained of course is like all the modern all the the technology i mean like like massively deep rule sets but but what they've lost is that ability to hang out with three friends play one game and just like have beers and chat it up and have a good time which you can't do on a lot of modern games because you're gonna have a friend that can play one ball forever for 45 minutes like you did I think I grabbed the Diet Coke, peed, and came back. Right, exactly. And he was still on ball one. And that's that magic you're missing. Like, you can do that with all the classics, all the classic Sterns, the Gottliebs, you know, all the classic Ballys. But that magic of hanging out with people and having a good time kind of gets crushed when you get on Jaws, Godzilla, you know, any of those. Unless your players are like me and Ralph. Yeah. Then you'll be fine. Ours goes pretty quick. But I mean, yeah.
    89:48
    But I get what you're saying, though, because it can be an equalizer to go on some kind of old classic game. And even the best of the best, they're going to have a longer game, but it's not going to be like a 45-minute game. Right. Yeah. No, I hear you. That's actually a good point. I wasn't even thinking about that. Yeah. How long have we gone for today? I don't know, because we've gone for... Yeah, Chris, I definitely missed... We're down to half already. Are we really? Yeah. I totally missed the three-color stencil art on cabinets, man. Like, Nitro Groundshaker, come on. And also, Nitro Groundshaker has one of the best back glasses. Dude, I hate Nitro Groundshaker. I was just talking about it. I like it. He hates it. I hate it. Why do you hate it? I don't know why he hates it. I've played it like 15 times in my life, and I suck at it. But yesterday, I blew up ball one, 600,000. There you go. But you have to remember you doing the thing I do If I play a game at first I told Rachel I hated big game Now I gush over big game It because the first time I played it I was so shit at it I think you sometimes are tainted by your first experience That happens in the tournament world. But if you take time to learn it a little bit, it was really cool that you and Serge told us how to do the plunge on hotdogging because we watched her in the tournament and everyone was doing the plunge that way. Oh, it's true. Hey, somebody asked earlier when, and let's do a shout-out for you, Kale. When are you and Serge going to do a podcast? Seriously. You know, Serge is in the chat. Oh, I didn't know that. Did you notice that? No, I didn't know. Oh, he is? Where? Is he there as Serge, or do you have a different name? Yeah, he's Serge. His name's Serge. Okay. Well, Serge, thank you for that yesterday. That was cool that you did that for Jamie and I. Can I say something about him real quick before you delve into this? Yeah, go ahead. What a wonderful person. Right. Besides the fact that he has a particular reason now, there's more ice in his head. Because he kind of maybe alluded to Jamie being a handsome guy. He said I was handsome yesterday. So Serge is cool, but he's extra cool to Jamie because of the handsome comment.
    91:45
    Dude, he said I was handsome. You got to show this guy. So he lit up like the hottest woman ever told him he was a handsome man. He got so excited with Serge. I don't even know what we were talking about. He kind of dropped that comment, but it was very lovely, and he made me go, Your color changed. You got, like, more warm looking. It was lovely. I miss my wife so much. Guys, she's been gone for four weeks. I miss her so much. Oh, God. It's very strange. So I'll tell you what's going on with me and Serge. Yeah, please. Doing a podcast.
    92:20
    We've been talking about this for probably about a month because he has some amazing ideas, opinions on pinball, pinball rules, and we were going to like, well, let's just discuss them during a tournament. Well, that doesn't work. There's so many interruptions. Yeah. Which I do like how in between balls, because you don't have another rig, but we're going to get you another rig eventually, and that Serge mics up and goes and talks you through. That's brilliant. And we just did that. Yeah. On the most recent tournament, you can go check it out. The VOD is available at twitch.tv slash electric.arcade. We are not sponsored by you, but might as well be. So finally, I was able to talk, Serge, like let's just actually do a podcast. We'll put it on the Electric Bat's channel, Electric Bat Arcade Presents, and I don't want to ruin the title. And it's going to be me and Serge talking about, you know, pinball, pinball rules, where pinball is headed. Just Serge's opinion on pinball. And he sent me the outline. Do you have a name yet? We do have a name, but we don't want to – You don't want to release the name here? Not yet. Come on. Poor tease. Not yet.
    93:35
    He's fantastic. I think that will be a brilliant show. Yeah, that will be really cool. Right. And I can't wait to listen. That's going to be a great listen. So real quick because I'm so curious. And if you can't talk about it or don't feel like it, I'm very curious when people like him. He has this brain where I think he can look at a game, analyze the rules, and it's almost like he builds the tree at his head. Yeah. Does Serge do something like a technical job? Is he an engineer? What is his background? What do you call what he does? He looks at x-rays.
    94:07
    So things where you have to be very detail-oriented. You're talking life or death. Okay. So that, like, it seems like every time I meet someone that it's like they can put their brain and, like, absorb a whole machine. They usually have pretty interesting jobs like that. Kale told me he wasn't on enough podcasts and needed more exposure. I think Kale is correct on that. And, you know, Jeff from Dirty Pool, he wanted to interview Serge. And you said no. You pulled it? Well, no, no. What did you pull, like, late night? I was like, Serge. He's bat only. He's a booker. He's a bookie. He's got a bookie now. You know, I said, you know, Serge, you're like a thing now. People want to hear your opinions. And he was like, man, tell them, you know, I'm so sorry, but I just want to be the man behind the scenes. I don't want to be up front. I don't want to do a press tour. But, like, people want to hear from Serge. Well, why wouldn't you? I think he's fantastic.
    95:07
    X-ray looker. That's Stringer Films. What's up, Stringer? I don't think either one of you You'll meet him at Expo this year So Chance Hammers, is there any of you guys going to buy I'll just say Star Wars in general Because he says Star Wars LE I'm not going to buy the LE But I don't know if I'm going to buy it yet I mean we obviously haven't seen it But I don't know if I'm going to get it I know you guys will get it And Eureka's getting the Pro Eureka's definitely getting the Pro So I Unfortunately none of us are going on their media day I'm still up in the air You're still up in the air? I'm not going I can't go. Because Neil McRae was in the chat, and he said – I think he said he was going. He asked if I was going. Oh, okay. And now it got me kind of excited. Oh, because Neil. Yeah, Neil. He just needed a break. I mean, I don't get the hang – Not your two friends here. It's not every day. Dustin, I think this comment is awesome. Don't cross Serge's pin.
    96:04
    Oh, yeah, yeah, right. But unfortunately we're not going But you know It'll be released any day now We'll get the trailer and all this What are we hearing? We're hearing it's going to be good, right? Well the first thing You know when I get the email from Zach And it's like You're going to do a factory tour And I'm like not another factory tour Why do I have to do another factory tour? But can't I just come in after And if you've never seen the Stern factory It is awesome. It is amazing. But I've seen it three times. But why can't they do something different? Like they have to be creative and think of something different. Because aren't these mostly the same people? I'd say like 85%, probably 90%. I think they have like a 10% they float in and out. I'd say 90% of them have been on it. Right. And, you know, it's going to be like, you know, this machine, this is a – that Gottlieb created it, and we've used every single play field that's ever come out of Stern. But hearing Dwight talk about it. And it's like, how many times do I have to hear this story? But Dwight talking about the Hannafin Press is pretty epic. He gets freaking pumped up on that thing. He's an awesome tour guy. If you're on a tour, you have to get with Dwight. Dwight's the man. The best part of Dwight's tour was when he was showing us the machine that extrudes the foam for the packaging. Didn't he tip them all over? Oh, my God. I wasn't there. I wasn't invited to that one.
    97:30
    I wasn't invited to that one. These people are working, right? They're working. You can look on their face. They're aggravated that we're even there. Yeah, because we're sitting there with your DJI. Yeah. You know what gets the most aggravated? The guys putting on the artwork. They're like, Jesus, we've done this. Like, come on, guys. Right, right, right. I know. I try to respect people's boundaries, but there are content creators that will put the lens, like, up their nose. And I'm like, dude, you've got to back off a little bit. I mean, these people are working. Like, have a little bit of, yeah, you know. Sure. That's a good setup for what's going on. So we're hanging out with Dwight. Dwight's telling us. And Dwight is the most entertaining person on the planet. What was this, for D&D?
    98:07
    Or was it for WIC? No, I wasn't there for D&D. Oh, no. What was this for? WIC. This was for WIC. I wasn't for WIC. It was me and you were at D&D, right? Yeah, but you were at D&D. You were at D&D. We were together.
    98:21
    No, I wasn't. But D&D. No, no. Kong. Who's telling the story? This happened during WIC. You're all serious. I don't know. I didn't. Whatever. WIC. This is for Wick. So – I'm going to sit back.
    98:36
    It's like a five-second story, guys. I'm not going to say anything. I'm done talking. Okay, what's next? No, but it was funny because I was there. He knocked over a bunch of shit, and he's, like, such a fun guy. Right, right, right. So he's showing us – and actually, I think this is, like, the most interesting thing besides the fact when they took us into that machine shop And they said, we'd never bring anybody in here. I can't believe they're actually letting you guys in here. And there were blueprints or CAD drawings that were printed out.
    99:11
    Yeah, they didn't let us do any other tour. Oh, cool. And I'm sitting there. I'm the only one looking at these things because I'm like, hold up. I've never seen this before. And Jack Danger runs over there and starts putting books on top of shit. Oh, no kidding. Yeah, and then there was the actual prototype of this thing, and I grabbed it and started holding it. Nobody else on the tour knows that this is something new. And I'm like, what's it called? Rodeo? What is this? And Jack grabs it from me. Oh, it was good. But nobody else on the tour picked up on it. I'm going like, yo, that's for the new game. That's for the new game. And the codename was Rodeo, which ended up being King Kong because it was Greg's last rodeo. Do you remember what it was? Because it probably was in, like, such an early stage. Yeah, I can't even remember. I would have to look at the game and, you know, lift the table. But that, if you think about it, that was. Joe says my eyes are glazing over and leaving his body. I'm not. I'm okay. The John Wick tour, though, was the first time I think they had done that with the bigger group. So, like, they probably didn't. Because you remember Jack came out and he goes, make sure you guys hide some stuff. Here's a good one. Stern has been using animation the last couple of releases. Do you think the new Star Wars will be animation instead of movie? It's going to be movie clips. I think combo. Yeah, combo. But it's also, I think the most important thing, it's going to be movie clips with the sound. Some companies have trouble with that. Oh, yeah. And so. Which companies, Kale? I've heard on podcasts that there are companies. But Stern nails it when it comes to putting the proper sound with the movie clip. They do. And that's what you're going to get with Star Wars. There's no way they're going to animate. This is going to be iconic. This is going to be a game they're going to sell for a long time. Star Wars was their biggest seller for so long. They just tabled it. They put it in the vault. This is going to be their big seller. This is a huge IP. But I think they'll do like what they did with WIC. Like you will have some parts of the game where it's like an animated screen that, like, you know what I mean? Like they regenerated stuff that's animation that looks so good. Like, if they want to do something with Star Wars, like, when it says extra ball, do this, they might take – Oh, right. You know what I mean? Like, they'll do something where – Yeah, but not with, like, the characters are going to be movie scenes. Yeah, yeah, of course. No, but I think they might add a couple animations to spruce certain things up or – Yeah, it's going to be nice. It's going to be nice. Yeah, so I don't think it's going to be like D&D where they make up their own story. It's going to have – we already know it's going to have Spike 3. Yeah. Do you think they'll make up their own – do you think they'll make a story out of 4, 5, and 6? Like, their own unique story? No. No, it'll be in the movie story. I think that would be a terrible mistake. I don't think so. There are people that think they might do that. I don't think they might do that. There are people that are convinced. Yeah, but there are people that buy a third machine and throw the pinballs in the trash. We can't like, oh, these people are saying this. You know?
    102:11
    Yeah, it's going to be great. Joe says he's willing to bet this new Star Wars will not have any live action footage. How much do you want to bet? Who's saying that? Joe's chair. How much does he? Where? Right there. Right there, second to the bottom. I'll bet you. No, Joe. I think he's wrong on that. I'll bet you $200. I'll bet him $10. He owes me $10 on Alice in Wonderland, so I'll double or nothing with him. Will you be at Expo?
    102:37
    Bluetooth on Spike 3. That's the rumor. Yeah, that's the rumor. But I don't know if they'll – I never use it, though. I have it on the JJP. I don't even use it. Yeah, when we had – But maybe you guys have a lot of people that wear headphones. They might be into that. No. But they like listening to their own music, right? With Sterns, maybe.
    102:54
    When we had a lot of Jersey Jack games. Was anybody using it? I'll bet you five. I want to do 200. I mean, if you're so sure about this.
    103:06
    Like, I'll even, like, I'll Venmo you 200 right now so you can hold it. And then you have to. Hold on. We're getting. Hold on. When the game comes out, you have to send me four. Put money down, make bets with kale. Come on, Jamie. Yeah, put money down. Cash on the glass. Cash on the glass, baby. What were we talking about before this? Oh, Bluetooth. Yeah. When we had a good bit of Jersey Jacks in the electric battery case for a little bit, there was only one person. That used the Bluetooth? Yeah, because he would complain when it wouldn't work to me.
    103:44
    Yeah. But he loved it. It is cool to be able to hear it. because you can actually get a good... He complained about a delay. I don't know. Is that a valid... Have you tried it? I did it on... Bluetooth has a delay. I did it on Avatar. Yeah, I did it on Avatar, and I did it on Harry Potter, and they both seemed fine to me. But that could also be like... Adam Horton says it's legit wired. I mean, I could see where someone would say there's probably like a little delay, but that's Bluetooth anyway. You're going to get latency a little bit. Right, and that's the problem. Like, how is Stern going to get around that unless they have mastered time travel? Yeah, I don't think they're going to get around that. I think everyone, if you're streaming, is still going to do it wired. Yeah, for sure. I wouldn't. People were asking earlier about Cuphead was right in the beginning while we were talking about Dune. Do you think that will ever see the light of day? No. Yeah, I don't think so either. No, because why? Did they lose the licensing? I don't think it does. Does anyone care, though? It just doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, right? Yeah. Like, why? It's irrelevant. There's so many great games out there. Why turn it up, turn up the market?
    104:57
    It's a good year for pinball this year. Yeah. This has been a good year so far. Yeah, I feel like this year's a good year. Oh, and we haven't seen anything yet. I mean, it's just going to get better. I mean. Did you hear the rumor this morning? Cup dead at the pinball studios. Yeah. It's definitely cup dead. That's funny, man. But I got to see pictures of it. Cuphead. I got to see pictures of Cuphead. Yeah. Yeah, let's see him. No, I can't. No proof. Who wants to see Cuphead? How many people do we have in the chat? We didn't even check if we got to 100. If we get 100 people, we'll show you Cuphead. We'll show you Cuphead. If you get to 100, it's 84. All right. No.
    105:39
    Oh, actually, Vic has a good question. Yeah, as a streamer, what are you guys hoping for in Spike 3? Well, the biggest one is they've already kind of uncovered. The HDMI out is the biggest one. Okay, but I don't care. You and I are not going to use HDMI out because we're moving the rig around. Because we're moving the rig around. We're not individual game streamers like you are. I'm really excited about it because it's a pain in the ass. I got it every time I stream. When you do stream Jersey Jacks, do you use HDMI out? So a Jersey Jack, you can just put a splitter on the end of it and just do one to the LCD and one to your thing. So it can natively go HDMI out. Do you use that? Yeah, yeah, all the time. At home I do because if I'm going to stream it, I want it the best I can possibly show it. I want to see the pictures. No, I can't show you the pictures. But on the Stern, what bummed me out is when I first got into the hobby, Stern had created an HDMI outboard that plugs right in. It was an LVDS converter that you plugged right onto the pins of the LCD. Where did you get that from? No, I don't have it. At the time I got into pinball, they never released it. They didn't create that. That was Jim. Okay. But it was a Stern-branded thing. Like, I saw the Stern-branded version of it. It just never came out, I don't think, right? Correct. He wasn't supposed to do that. Oh, really? But I don't know what... That's what drives me crazy about this industry, okay? But that thing was effing awesome because it made it so I could go, bloop, and I'm done. We used them at the Black Knight launch.
    107:08
    All right? And that was just something that just... And it was probably awesome because you just snapped it in and just, you're good. But there was, there was license issues. Someone knocked on your door. There was license issues. Nah, there's a kid up there. Yeah, yeah. All right. Well, anyway, so they have HDMI out now. That's the thing I'm the most excited about. I mean, I guess better lighting would be cool because when I'm streaming, I have to put so many lights on it. So if they have a better lighting, maybe it's less light. I don't know. But what do you do if it's a music pen? Well, that sucks because they do have modes, though, now, like in the code where you can – Yeah, you can – there's a setting. Oh, okay. But it kind of sucks because – Where were you going? You were like, that's the thing about this industry. You had a thought. Yeah, what were you going to say? Now you forgot it. You forgot it. No, I didn't develop something cool, then don't release it to the public. Is that what you mean? I find this industry bananas as someone that owns a small business, right? And I harp on things. We had a conversation about – Slouching so bad. We had a great conversation at a previous roundtable about Keith Elwin potentially leaving Stern and going to JJP. And I had said some things about, you know, he has a non-competeness, and he might not even have a non-compete. Like, this industry does things so differently than the business world that Ralph and I live in. That is true. That I will agree with. It's very fascinating to me, Cale, because it's so different. Like the fact that he could even walk drives me crazy. Like how could you let Keith Elwin potentially walk and leave Stern?
    108:41
    In the tech world, they would be like, okay, Keith, we're going to give you X amount of stock options that are going to vest over the next four years so you will not leave. And usually that would be so lucrative that it would be the dumbest-ass move. He could be walking away from like, I'm just making this up. Like half a million dollars if it was tech. They would throw everything. I know, isn't it? Trump, you can't think about pinball like that. I know. It's hard.
    109:08
    Pinball world is tiny. I don't even know. What does Stern make a year? I don't even know what their annual revenue is. I know that's not public, but what do you think they make a year? Are they a $50 million company? $25 million? I have no idea. I think they're a $100 million company. You think they make that much? No, no. I think they're going to value themselves at 100. No. It's more than that. You think? I know. Their valuation would be more than that. I know.
    109:34
    All right. I don't even know if people care about this topic. I just find it fascinating. When we talk privately, it's something that drives us crazy. Okay. You have to think about this. You two carry it. Stern has no... What?
    109:49
    All right. Here's the good. Good. Well, what other carry it? What other carry it? Like, what carrot could they dangle? Like, let's just say, hypothetically speaking, that he's absolutely leaving, and this is Stern, they're going to meet him, they're going to go to a boardroom and go, all right, how do we keep Keith? What carrot can they dangle? Because maybe they don't have the funding of a large tech company, but what could they dangle in front of him that would make you stay if you were, like, their lead designer?
    110:16
    Well, I mean, they could, I mean, they could, you know, I don't think that. Maybe give them a better cut of game sales or something. There's all kind of stuff like that. Like some kind of better split, some partnership with game sales, a bigger bomb. There's stuff – there's all kind of things you could offer. That would be interesting if you said, hey, Keith, on your games, although it probably pisses off the other designers, maybe they don't know about it, your bomb can be more or – Right. I mean there's all kind of things like that you can do to keep a designer around, but that screws up the platform. Because, like, if they give – let's say they give Keith a bigger bomb. Well, that's the only game you're going to buy, right? That's true because you'll be like, oh, those are the most loaded ones. Yeah, that doesn't even make sense. Like, you have to stick – and Gomez is talking – So it's probably hard to get – Well, it's not so hard, but they don't have any competition.
    111:11
    So they're like – Well, I guess also it matters on, like, we deal with this a lot in technology. Some of the people that work for us on the engineering side are really motivated by money. So if you want to keep them, that's what you throw at them. But then there's people that we have that that does not matter. Like they make good money. They're like, I like notoriety. I want to go at a conference and speak as the expert in that topic, and that's their like – their currency is that. So like I don't know. Keith might not even be motivated by money. He might feel like he makes enough at Stern. Who knows? None of these guys are motivated by money. There's no money in pinball. I mean. That's the best. We say that all the time. I know. We say that all the time. Because if I could make money in pinball, this is all I would do. I would just, for the rest of my life, I would just hang out with pinball. It would be unbelievable. What you don't understand is all across the board, all of these companies, they're just a bunch of nerds that want to make games and have a good time. Yeah. And you're thinking – We definitely come at it with the wrong – we come at it with this like it's a tech company. I know. I can't help it. I'm an entrepreneur, and I just can't get my head around it, and it drives me bananas. And if you keep seeing me look at my phone, my wife is drafting. She's got her fantasy football draft tonight, and she's trying to ask me to help her. By the way, we didn't hit the hundreds. Oh, that's okay. What are we doing, another half an hour? You want to do another half an hour? We're already almost two hours into this. This is what happens with us, though. We just go and go. I do want to rail us in for a second. And released this morning, Kaneda said that Big Bang Bar, Pedretti Gaming. Yeah. Do we care?
    112:59
    I don't. No. Are you going to get one? No. I played the original Big Bang Bar. At my former place, they had a Big Bang Bar, original Big Bang Bar from Capcom. Right. One of 15 or 14 made. Right. I played this machine a lot because we brought it to shows to show everyone this is an original Big Bang Bar made with the parts. You could see the numbers. They matched the heads and everything. It's not a very fun game. Right. Okay. First of all, I'm not trying to be woke. But why even make a game that, just because it was rare, it feels like that's the only reason why people think it's cool, because it's rare. My guess is they just had a serious flop.
    113:51
    With Funhaus. Yeah. And so they're like, well, let's do something really left field. Like really unique and out there. Because that seems, that's what people kind of want. But, like, a manufacturer doing something, like, really weird and different, that's the only way to stand out. Will they sell?
    114:11
    I don't think so. I don't think so either. It's not a good game. It's not a very good game. It's not a good game. It's fun for a little bit to see the twirling alien. It's fun for a little bit, for a little bit, to see the guys in lacquer ball while they're drinking in the bar. What were you going to say? You were going to say something that was really interesting about you don't want to be woke, but what? Oh, this is the girl spinning with the woo, you know. I mean, she's, you know, sexy sounds. I'm not trying to be woke, but that's a little old for me.
    114:43
    You know, that's a little old school. I don't want to need that. But I just don't think it's that fun of a game. What is the question I've never asked? Because I've seen it at Mark's house. Like, Mark showed me his. He was giving me the history. Because, like, his, I think, was the remade one. Yeah, so what they did is Capcom shut down. We know the story. Yada, yada, yada. They made like four, and then they took the parts that were extra, and they made ten more or maybe 12. It doesn't matter for the story. And then the guy, you know, he did his whole life. He was an arcade guy, and he did his whole life, and he made 200 and something. After all that buildup. It's not a very fun game. Yeah, it's not. I'm sorry. It's true. Like who gives a shit about Bang Bang Bar? It's not good. Do you know what's not good? I mean, this is something I did a lot when I was covering, like, arcade stuff when people would release products. If there's something I don't – and I get it if you treat your content creation as a media outlet, then you talk about everything. Right. But I feel like this topic, like, Big Bang Bar, like, it's fun for us to talk about right now. But, like, this is probably the last time I ever talk about it because I don't care. Yeah. It's one of those things, like, I think there's a lot of that in pinball where, like, people report on stuff where it's, like, they sell 50 of this obscure game but like no one really cares right right i don't know like i don't but i don't get as a company your motivation must just be like if it's money if they're motivated by we got to make more money why would they do that game what are they doing it for this entire company is i mean this entire industry is propped up by just people with with cool dreams yeah yeah And most of it is just like extremely wealthy people just having fun. Like you guys that understand business trying to make sense of pinball, that's the problem. That's what we do all the time. We go crazy. That's the problem. All the time. It drives me bananas. But the weirdest thing is we've had this exact conversation so many times, and y'all are still like your mind's blown off. I can't believe it's like this. What the fuck are they doing? And I'm like, bro, I mean, this whole industry is insane. Yeah. It's bad to me. I almost want to be a consultant and just like – Really?
    117:02
    What are you going to fix? Tell me. Tell me your idea, and I'll shoot it down. Like I told you – I just want to compete so people don't walk away with knowledge. Walk away from where? Walk away from one company to another with proprietary knowledge. Look, when Jersey Jack hired Tom Capera, like, they were freaked out. They were like, oh, now Tom knows the next four games. But that knowledge only lasts for 12 months, and then it's gone. Like, no one cares after that. And Tom is, from what I understand, a great mechanical engineer. He didn't fix Jersey Jack slippers. Yeah. And like you were saying, like, oh, just add some node boards. That's not how it works. No, I know. That's not how it works. Before I leave my body with that. Like one person cannot leave Stern. I mean, this is a company that's been around forever. They have a wealth of knowledge and people that have been with them for a long time, a couple of decades. And like one person leaving, I mean, you act like it's like if Elwynn leaves, oh, they're going to fold. I'm not saying that. I just think the proprietary knowledge that he has in his head. He's just a game designer. And I'm not – he's amazing. I don't know that I'd say – I don't think that – You know what I mean? The knowledge that he has. I don't know. I wouldn't say they're going to fold, but I'd say he's such a great – like, people love his games so much that I do believe that when Stern releases an L1 game, I think there's a high level of confidence that that game's going to sell well. Oh, 100%. But that doesn't always happen. No, I don't think King Kong sold as well as they thought it would. What sells well, the IP. That's true, too. That's what sells well. Like, almost everybody in pinball will tell you Star Wars is a shit game. It's the best-selling game they ever made.
    118:52
    Well, you think Godzilla's supposed to be the best-selling game? No. I love it. Really? Yeah. Oh, because of the Costco and the other versions of Star Wars? No, it has nothing to do with Costco. No, no. What the hell are you talking about? Why are you confusing me? Where do you go with Costco? I don't know. This guy. I don't know. I'm confused. I was following you, and then he threw me off. He threw me off. I don't know. I'm sorry. He's drafted. I'm getting all fucked up. She took my client. When I'm saying Star Wars, Star Wars is the best, is the highest selling game they ever released. And he thought it was because they just put him in Costco. That has nothing to do. I think he was just off at La La Land. I don't know. I'm sorry. I left my body. And Elwin is a just amazing designer and a force to be reckoned with. But you have to understand, he's still, he's a pimp. ball designer. The company doesn't go away if he left. Correct. Other people will pick up. They already have other people there.
    119:48
    I don't know. Someone I feel like has done some really cool shit at Stern, which could be a great designer. We don't know yet. What if Gieske has... She seems super creative. Maybe she ends up being... Who knows? She might do some... She would... You think she's more of a coder? No. I think the guy's going to J.J. Pickett. Oh, she would go with... Oh, you're right. Yeah, never mind. Flathead said this is out of control. Yeah, that's true.
    120:13
    He's right. Thanks, Flathead. Did you say what Trash Can Ninja said? Because that's awesome. He said, Kale said it best. If you want to earn, get a stern. You didn't actually say that, did you? Oh, yeah, for sure. For sure. Oh, wait, no. Rachel has coined it. Nope. That is a Rachel coined term.
    120:30
    Borg. This is very interesting because if that happened, that just happened recently. Because the last time. What? What happened? What Trash Cannon said. Godzilla finally outsold Star Wars. Because when I was hanging out with some guys from Stern, and they were saying it was very close to doing it. Oh, really? In total sales? It was very close to doing that. And if that's true, yeah, that's awesome. That finally happened. And then maybe that's why they vaulted it. Oh, yes. Borg did confirm Godzilla outsold Star Wars. Oh, good. Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow. Well, that was also a perfect storm with COVID and all that shit. But I'm pumped about the new Star Wars. I hope it's better than the old Star Wars. I'll tell you that for sure. Because I think that action button is out of control. I don't like that. It feels like you're – You ever watch someone who really knows that game play it? Yeah, they week out. It's like – They go freak out on that action. Are you talking about the – The TIE Fighter. I don't mind the TIE Fighter shot because that's kind of fun once in a while. No, but when you're doing – But with moving and moving your shot and moving all that shit, it just got too complicated. No. No, I think so too. I wasn't a big fan of that Star Wars, but I can't wait for the new one to come to Eureka. That should be fun.
    121:45
    Yeah. This guy on the right absolutely sucks. Is that me? Why? The guy on the right, I'd like to see MXV design a game. Well, I'll tell you what. Aren't you guys close with him? He would love to design a game. But, I mean, there are a lot of guys, even some guys that aren't in the spotlight that would like the design. Like, who ever heard of Elliot Eisman before? Yeah, he was a mechanical engineer. Yeah, he made a banger despite what Jamie says. I hope I never see him. He was such a nice guy. Oh, my God. Elliot Eisman is always super cool, dude. Just make the ramps bigger. But my point is, like, MXV would love to design a game. There are a lot of people at Stern that would love to design a game. But just there's only – I mean, this market's already oversaturated. They don't need to release 18 games a year. We were talking about that the other day. I think – I know there's a reason why they – I know the reason why they have to create as many games as they did. I almost wish that they built half the size of that manufacturing facility and did two a year. Two solid releases. Two and a remaster?
    123:03
    They wouldn't be able to survive like that. Well, but if they didn't have the overhead of the bigger factory, maybe, right? You don't think so? No, but they did the same thing with the old factory.
    123:13
    But you don't think they could? You have to have that excitement. Okay, you have to have that excitement. Every quarter, they need to release a game. That doesn't mean they stop building the game they released before that. But, like, could you imagine, like, if Stern – so you're talking about, like, 12 months, they're only going to drop two games. No, three with the remaster. Now it's three. No, two and a remaster.
    123:39
    You have to have more hype. You have to have more excitement. I mean, that almost looks like, what are you doing? You have a company that drops three products a year? Yeah. I think what Ralph's point is that they have such a huge manufacturing facility that they built that they have to keep that wheel running. They did the same thing. afford not to, right? I mean, they can't afford to keep it.
    124:05
    You know what I'm saying? He doesn't know what you're saying. He doesn't know. I don't know what I'm saying? No, he doesn't know what we're saying. Let me know what I'm saying. You know what you're saying. Alright, we got it.
    124:16
    I'll tell you, there was a conversation. Let's go 15 more minutes. We've got to cut it off at 15. This is what it all comes down to. To all these people that think they can run Stern better, that have better ideas.
    124:41
    Rachel was with me when we were in the boardroom, and people were asking questions like this. Oh, this was during the John Wick one, right? Yeah, I think it was. Was it John Wick? Yeah, when Gomez had us in the boardroom. Right, right. And people, not exactly like what Ralph's talking about, but there were some wild ideas being thrown around. And Gomez was trying to answer them, and Seth just shuts everything down. And he says, look here, I'm just going to say this so we can move on. I have data that nobody else has, and those ideas won't work.
    125:24
    Yeah, I was in there when he said that. Right. And that, I actually felt like I resonated with that because in my world tech, someone would say that same thing. They'd be like, guys, you don't, in a very respectful way, you don't understand what you're talking about. Yes. We have the data to prove that you're wrong. Right. So that's why we don't do that. But he was respectful. He did it in a respectful way. 100%. That was good. And that's the thing. You know, we just, all these ideas that people have. Yeah. I can't believe Stern's doing it. A whole bunch of fucking idiots. You know? I mean, they're the only company that's still around.
    126:02
    You know? Everybody else folded or got out of the business. And the reason we have pinball today in the way it is is because of Stern, this dumb company that has no idea what they're doing. You know?
    126:18
    All right. Where do we go? I don't know where we go from there. We've got 15 minutes left, ladies and gentlemen, and we're going to call it. Wait, hold on.
    126:26
    Dumb thought. Stern's come back to Wheel of Fortune, Price is Right, and Bob Barker. Why can't I say that? Bob Barker. Why is Bob Barker so hard to say? Bob Barker. It's double Bs. I can't do it. I can't say it. I can't read the comment. I can't do double Bs. Well, I think the Wheel of Fortune, World Poker Tour phase of Stern wasn't probably their best. Well, right. And that's when, like, and that's when, you know, after that, they hired Jody. Yeah. And he came in and started bringing in some real IPs. And that really turned things around. But I want to touch on Flathead. I wish Stern would sell more banners.
    127:03
    I have to talk about, have you guys seen the King Kong banner? Yeah, I've seen it. What the hell? I don't like it. It's got a giant QR code right in the middle of it. Yeah, it's not a good one. But did you know there's two different banners? No. I've only seen that one. Okay. I didn't know there was two banners. Well, I don't know why this happened. You know, they have a new head of marketing. Not Zach. A new CMO. Yeah, the guy that came from WWE. Right, right. Super cool guy.
    127:35
    And I don't know if that's where this change happened. Because, I mean, he's motivated. He needs to move the needle. He's the maker of sales. so every banner they sent out with the launch party kit just has a giant qr code right in the middle of it that takes you where i have no idea i haven't scanned it but i would imagine it's some kind of sales it's starting to setter connect it maybe no it's going to be like buy a kit because i think i can buy it now but maybe that's just the one because at home i wouldn't want that banner to have a big qr code in it correct but the the problem is i mean if they were going to do that they should have sent both banners because almost every arcade i know of that that is a prize for a winner or a random prize for the launch party yeah and every everybody came up to me even from other arcades were like complaining going could you get in touch with stern and make sure they don't do this again because like everybody was like i'm not putting this on my wall they take the winners put it on their wall at their home arcade and they're like but now it looks like a giant ad. Yeah, that's weird. So they really should have put... So there's one. You just made one. There's a miss. See, sometimes they miss. Oh, 100%. Sometimes they miss. Swing and a miss. I love those banners. I have them all in my garage.
    128:55
    I'll tell you a funny banner story. When we went to Expo last year, I was walking in... Matthew Geyer is... I think he's the CMO.
    129:07
    He's the Chief Marketing Officer. Yeah, it's not CFO. So we're walking in, and we see the Avatar banner.
    129:14
    Right? Yeah. And it's beautiful. That banner is really nice. That girl that did the art for that. Yeah, it's beautiful. She's awesome. What was her name? I can't remember her name now. So me and John Spates look at that banner, and we're like, we want that banner. Like, I think I want to steal it. Yeah. And you could have just asked Ken Cromwell. He would have given you that. I know, but we were thinking, because it was late at night, and we were getting hammered. We're like, we're going to rip this banner off. So we come back the next morning, the total banner was stolen. And it wasn't you. It wasn't us. We didn't do it, but we wanted to rip it off, but we didn't have the guts. But somebody totally ripped off that banner at the expo last year. You were at the Avatar launch, right? No, I didn't. Actually, which is weird. I didn't get to go to that one. Okay, so one interesting thing they told us about that artist, you know, she did, like, all the art. She completed the art, and then, like, they show, I guess, the IP holder, whoever it is, and they said, oh, no, this is all wrong. And it was something like those little blue things. What are they called?
    130:17
    I don't know. We don't even know. Nazi. Biggest movie in the history of the world. No freaking idea. Nazi. Apparently, they're, like, they're all left-handed. Oh, yeah, yeah. And she put, like, weapons in their right hand, and she had to, like, redo all of the art.
    130:34
    Because they said they were left-handed? Because the characters... In the lore. Oh, they would do that. Oh, 100%. And it was...
    130:46
    Mark, the guy who made the machine, he was going to put the shooter out... The machine Jamie loves and played about. Yeah, he was going to put the shooter out on the left side. Okay. As a nod to the character. Oh, that would have been interesting. What are they called? The Naboo or something? Navi. We were there. Yeah. Avatar slaps. Hey, Ralph. You like Avatar? Yeah. I actually like it, but there is something that he keeps asking me about. Do you still have your Avatar? No. Oh, you like it so much you got rid of it? Okay. Do you guys think... Leah Foskey. Oh, yeah. Foskey. Yeah. Foskey. She wants Swippy. So, yeah. So, hey, Enzo keeps saying this. I disagree with him, though. he has this idea that D&D I disagree with Enzo. Enzo keeps trying to tell me that D&D has geometry issues. I don't feel that way.
    131:40
    I don't feel that way though. I've talked to Jeff but geometry issues to me would mean I can't hit the shots but I don't feel like I can't hit shots in that game. I don't feel that either. Can I explain their issue? If you want to. Their issue is the wording is bad. Because geometry to me is like your math is wrong so I can't hit your shot. Like that, right? There, yes.
    132:07
    Tales from the Crypt has geometry issues. Right. But their issues are in order to get to the right upper flipper on the right hand side, you got to go through Gizmo Shop or you got Fizmo. Whatever. Gizmo, it's cool. Gizmo, Fizmo. Who cares? We got 15 minutes left. Nobody gives a shit. You got to go over to Gizmo. You go to Fizmo's shop. I'm going to go see Gino over at Fizmo. Dude, I never rolled a guy in my life. Okay, go, go, go, go, go. I probably bullied some of those kids. I'm not going to lie to you. So you have to go to Fizmo's shop or you have to hit this orbit,
    132:43
    which is difficult to hit from the right flipper. And that's their argument is that to get into the flow of the game and that upper right shot to that kind of King Kong ramp, if you will, is very difficult to hit. Are you talking about how you have to go to FISMO for it to shoot it over to the magnet to grab it? Is that what you're saying? That's what you're saying. But how is that? That just to me is how that game plays. Well, what Enzo and Jeff are saying is that's horseshit. Okay, but then they really are just saying it's not geometry. That shot is so vital for the game. But I wouldn't call it a geometry issue. I'd say they don't like the way that is. The term is set up. Exactly. They just don't like the layout, that you have to go to that shot to hit the left side. I don't know. Don's in the house. What's happening, Don? Don, what's up? What Enzo's saying is it takes Carl D'Angelo can't hit it. If Carl D'Angelo can't hit it, then what's going on? It's just a fault. Can Carl not hit those shots? Well, I'm sure he can get in the FISMO and then get over there. Maybe something's wrong with the game he's playing because I'm not good and I can hit the shots. I happen to agree with them that it is not that shot is vitally important and it is difficult to get there and it's not a shot like you look at King Kong last night is a perfect example of Kale saying okay I can't hit the orbit from the right orbit he's not saying what you're saying he's saying the geometry issue is you can't hit the shots that to me would mean like someone designed the game wrong. Well, there also is a flaw in D&D with the save, with the shield, because the shield is supposed to perfectly match for the right-hand ramp and the left-hand orbit, and it doesn't do it all the time. Who told you it's supposed to perfectly do that? I don't think they ever said that. Where are you getting that from? When we were on the tour.
    134:43
    When we got the tour. Who told you that? I think they said you can line up I don't think they said it was perfect. It's supposed to be perfect. No, it's not. Nothing in pinball is perfect. I think you're in the wrong hobby, bro. I don't think I ever heard that. No, when you pop up the shield, it's supposed to land on the right-hand side. It's supposed to hit that orbit. It's supposed to hit that ramp, and the left side is supposed to hit that orbit.
    135:10
    That's a point of using that damn shield during the game, Cale. It is. It's perfectly lined up at Eureka Heights. Oh, man. It's perfect at Eureka Heights. I don't know if I – No, you can't – no. It's perfect at Eureka Heights. Mine doesn't do that sometimes, and that is a strategy of mine. Like, I know mine at home. If I can't hit that right ramp to start a mode, I'll pop my shield up, pop my ball over to my left flipper at Eureka Heights, and then it is a perfect shot to the ramp to hit my yellow shot. But you're talking about one copy of one machine that is mass-produced. There's no such thing as – Well, they need to work on that. I don't even know where to go from here. I don't know where to go. Dude, I like the game. I guess, Enzo, to answer your question, I like the game. Don says mine does need to tune the shield See Correct Mine does too but I guess I don remember him saying it was meant to be perfectly aligned I don know The only issue with the shield is it has too much of a delay because it has the lockdown button See, I don't think that either. No, I think it took a little while to get used to the light tap. I wasn't a fan of the slam, the multiple tap. But once you play it four or five times, you figure that shit out. It's not a big deal. I don't know. I really like that game. I don't want to seem like I'm being like ultra defensive, like being all chilly and defending. I really like it. But I don't play it nearly as much as I used to when it first came out. My head's serious to diminishing marginal returns. I think I do it, though. I don't know. We'll close off on it. But I think when I play that game, when I brought it home, it felt very different than any other pinball machine I had played in recent times. I thought of it that way, though. I was like, this is kind of like a little bit more strategy, a little bit more stop-and-go-ish kind of gameplay, even though it has fast stuff to it. So I, like, thought of it that way, and that's why I like it. So it's in my collection as a very different game when I want to play it. And it is a very different game. It's a very different game. Yeah. No, it's just a different game. It's just a different game. But I like it when it's different. This is what's awesome about Pitbull. I'm having a hard time believing that Carl can't shoot D&D.
    137:26
    I'm not that good, and I can hit all of those shots. I just understand what they're saying with the flow of it. Hitting in the shop is a little annoying to have to get it to that magnet underneath the gelatinous cube. It can be a little annoying. I get it. But I don't feel like it's any more annoying than any other pinball game I have. Like, I have other games that sometimes I have a hard time hitting shots, but that's more on me than the game. You know what I mean? I don't know. That's like, I don't know. We'll move on.
    137:54
    Actually, someone did point out there is no round table for the round table. That's a good point, Don. There is no round table. We did, although there was a random round table that showed up at the electric bat that no one knows how it got there. Do you know this? I have no idea. No, seriously. Rachel's like, did you bring this table? And it's round. No. But you guys have no clue how that round table got there. It's literally round. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And you guys have no round table. We don't have a round table. I don't know what that's about. You seriously don't know. Like, you have no clue. Someone rolled an entire round table into your bar and have no one. No. I'm getting hungry. I wonder if that table is now square.
    138:28
    I know, Joe. I know it's the Fismo kick-out. You're the only way to ride Flipper, but I don't care. That's a good point, Joe. I love Joe, but I guess I don't care about that. See, he's saying Carl killed the game on the stream. And one credit. One credit. All right. Enzo, again, some conflicting information here at the roundtable. I told Enzo, I was on his podcast recently. It hasn't been aired yet. It hasn't been uploaded. And I said he was complaining about newer scones being too hard. And at one point I just looked at him and I said, well, I think you're just going to have to get a little better. You're just going to have to play it better. Because some of them, like Kong is not hard. It's just hard to figure out where I should get my points. Yeah, last night my $20 million wasn't so great, so I'm sorry about that. But you put up $400 and I lost interest. But, you know, he was saying that modern trends were too hard. He was hoping that Star Wars wasn't as difficult. And I was like, what do you need, like ACDC Rams? When you talked to him, what was an example of an easy game that he liked? I don't know if he's still here.
    139:39
    Yeah, what's the answer? Give us a game. He said I'm shit-stirring, so maybe he's just messing around. Oh, okay. Give us one game, Enzo. We'll end at this. Here's the thing with these games, though. Being someone that's a little newer, right? I think when I first got my first pinball machine, like modern one, right? I had not been playing consistently or whatever. I got Jurassic Park, and I was like, oh, my gosh, this game is so hard. I was like, maybe this isn't the right hobby for me, blah, blah. It took time. It took time for someone to really go, Ralph, you're fucked up. You're flipping all over the place. You're flailing. And then, like, it took someone to really show me. And then I started loving all the games. Right. But I think it takes time, right? Like, I think if my first game was Kong, I might be like, this is hard. But it's also, it's not just per game. It's per copy, per. But, yeah, there's that variability. No, no, it's like your lifetime. Yeah. Just learning. Like, one thing I notice about a lot of players, they try to force things to happen too much. you know it's oh it's not doing this and you get pissed off and you jerk the machine all around and um you know keith elwyn said something a long time ago on a podcast was like in pinball if you find if you are able to relax oh it changes everything and do less you'll actually find that you're doing more with pinball i think that's true yeah for sure I can't relax I'm trying If I think about our tournament real quick The tournament you and I did so far The games where you played well I could tell you were playing different Like you were more like settled in Yeah I as a somewhat competitive Pinball player We have this idea I want to throw this out to you guys We have this idea for a pinball tournament For especially newbies where you have a coach. Yeah. And if you're under 5,000, if you're over 5,000, you get a coach for that tournament. But it can't be IFPA. It can't be IFPA. We don't care. We just want to bring more people into the hobby. And we want to bring more people into the tournaments. But we just thought a non-IFPA event could be really fun if you had a caddy.
    141:58
    That'd be awesome. Wouldn't that be super fun, like a caddy tournament? But the best thing would be – I mean, this is how that should happen. You should have like eight pro guys. Yeah, maybe they can't play. Like Elwin, Colin McAlpine, Escher, eight guys, and eight newbies. And the whole challenge is – and put it on YouTube. And the whole challenge – you go to the house and walk in front. Oh, and then they get to pair with someone? They get to pair, and they coach somebody. on their game. And then you get to see, like, who's going to win. He's always thinking socially, ladies and gentlemen. Are you saying, so, like, because this could be a show. That's what I'm saying. You get emotionally connected to Elwin and his player, and you want to see them win. I fucking love that idea. That is cool. Yeah. 100%. I was also just, that is a really good idea, by the way. That's not the danger I should do. Like, you should do that. Actually, Jack, you can take that. That's yours. That's awesome, though. I would watch the shit out of that. I love that. It's like a mini-series of Jack Danger and all these great, you know, Keith Owen taking newbies and teaching them how to play. Right. And seeing their progress. But then the, like. That's cool. The, like, climax is who's going to win in the tournament. Can you imagine the feel good when this new guy had just started playing pinball just a couple of months ago? He, like, wins. Yeah. And, you know, and he has his coach. Dude, that would be so cool. You know. But having a coach. I'm having goosebumps right now. Having a coach. That's awesome. He said, like, the voice. Well. Like. I don't know. Well, no, not like the voice because. Well, yeah, there was. Well, I guess kind of, but not in a different way. And money is donated. I don't know. It could be just something we're thinking about doing at Eureka is having a coach and maybe your total IFPA point, your total rankings can't be less than this and that, and having two people play together and they coach each other in between rounds, they stand next to you. Like when you stood next to me and showed me how to do hot-dogging, hot-dogging has totally changed for me for the rest of my life Because now I know that from my left flipper, I can barely tap it, boom, hit the bonus. Holy shit. That was such a mind-changing tip. It's such an unbelievable tip. Right. Bond 60th, your boy Serge tells me, hold the left flipper, put it on, hit this, boom, boom, boom. Drop targets all fall down.
    144:15
    Coaching would just be so cool. We need someone smarter than me to figure out how to do it, and that would be just wicked cool. Especially a YouTube series. Yeah. That's the way to do it. At our friend's arcade, they do a pinball school, and they take the glass off. Now, it's not a tournament. Yeah. Where is this? At Outpost. Oh, the new place. Yeah. And they do a pinball school. And so they take the glass off, and they tell you about the mechanics of tap passing and all this other basic stuff. And people seem to like that. That's working out. That is cool. All right, guys. I think that's – What's funny is – No, go ahead. No, I was going to say one last comment. Just one more. No, I was playing Bond 60 if you were really helping me, but it reminded me of when we went to the D&D media day. Remember when Elizabeth was going around showing me stuff? I wasn't there. Well, she came over to me, and she was having me play. I was playing a little bit better with her there, right? But she was trying to tell me some stuff, but I really wanted to do the dragon multiball. And she goes, after the game, she goes, you really like the dragon. Yeah. Like, it was weird. It was almost like she's like, you like the dragon. But she said it in a way that was, like, funny. She's like, I was trying to show you some stuff, but you really like the dragon. Do you know that you can go on our Stern Insider Connect and look at our Dungeons and Dragons scores, And it's still the same from the first two billion on Dungeons & Dragons. I had four billion. The code was so messed up on that day. But I'll never get past that four billion. It's the greatest score I've ever put up in any scene. Because you'd play it for like five minutes and you'd have like a billion. And she kept saying, Elizabeth kept telling us, the code's going to fix this. And I'm like, I don't care. I've never gotten a billion in my life on a Stern pinball machine. It's just going to be there. Guys, this was great. I really had a lot of fun. Do you want to wrap it up? Or what does Chad say? Are you guys done with it? Christopher changed since 15 more minutes. Why? We've been going for two hours and 26 minutes. I'm just glad we stopped talking about Dune. So, Christopher, are you serious? He says Chris said he's going to start a pinball art class. That would be cool. I don't know if he's serious or not, but he's probably joking. He jokes so much that I don't know. I know. Well, you know, Zombie Yeti, he actually kind of talked to Rachel about it kind of like that. His process of bringing new people. Is that door opening by itself? Isn't that weird? Is there someone there? No, it just doesn't lock. It just doesn't lock properly. Oh, that's pretty weird. Terry Hardy says, who's the guy on the right?
    147:06
    You're on the right, right? He got back to you. It's probably going to be this way. Is everybody like that? Hold on, I've got to tag this. That is so great. Thank you so much, Charlie. Let's give a shout out to Kerry Hardy. I really liked the... I watched every one of his streams when he went around Texas. People have given him shit that some of the companies are small, whatever. But I'm really glad he brought that. Of course they're small. They're small. They're small pinball companies. And I'm really glad that he showcase them, especially P3 because I got a little special place for P3 in my heart. Yeah. Trying to get you to get one. I still want one. You can't Jerry's so cool. I don't want a new one though. I don't want to pay for a new one. Jerry's super cool. So thank you, Kerry, for doing that. Thank you so much. Honestly, that was really great. That was really funny. Thank you, Kerry.
    148:03
    No, great series. Check that out on Hardy's live YouTube. He did. He visited all three places in Texas, Turner Pimple. Isn't that weird?
    148:14
    Why are there so many... Oh, is it because of Deep Root? Why are there so many manufacturers in Texas now? Is it like a cost? I'm sure it's cheaper. I'm sure labor might be cheaper.
    148:28
    What's cheaper? Tax-wise for companies. Then Chicago? Yeah. Just tax-wise. You think labor's cheaper?
    148:37
    Yeah. Oh, because of taxes? Yeah, I think everything's cheaper in Texas than Chicago, Illinois. Right. Well, the only reason I ask is, you know, the reason JJP moved was because you're closer to all the parts manufacturers. Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, I don't know what the upside is.
    148:57
    It literally must be business tax reasons. It's got to be. Don thinks P3 hates him. Why do you think they hate you, Don? I don't know. He said, I can't help it. They hate me for some reason. Well, maybe you should say some nice things about him once in a while, Don. Work on that. Huh. Don, what did you say?
    149:16
    What did he do? I don't know. Electricity is unregulated and taxes are better. Kerry's a Texan. He knows. How does the electricity being unregulated make a difference?
    149:28
    Dude, I'm not a power trader. I don't know. I just know that. I mean, it still comes out of the wall, right?
    149:35
    It's cheaper to get the electricity in Texas. Oh, no shit? Is it dripping on you? No, it's just the – So what do you pay – like what is your monthly bill? I only have a small little bungalow now in Houston, but it's like $300. Holy shit. I pay $12 a month. For electricity? Yeah. Well, he has solar, though. We have solar.
    149:57
    Well, yeah. Well, that's how you get around – But I am curious offline. I am curious how big your bungalow is because like to air condition my house, even with the garage air conditioner, it's like 450. And I keep my stuff at 72 degrees. I keep my shit at 72. Only during the summer, though. It's that much. During the winter, my electricity is super cheap. It's like in the one-something range. It's the summer that... So in the wintertime, they actually give us money. I know. I almost did this, but now I can't do the solar thing because all of the rebates don't apply. So the Airbnb here has all these signs all over the fucking place. And they're like, the first thing they sent me is don't touch the AC. Really? Yeah, it's 72. Damn, that's cold. It's good. Now I chop it down to 65. Whoa, what? 65? If I'm not fucking paying for it, if I'm not paying for it. We would never do, you guys don't do 65. I would never do 65. Yeah. What's your guys' go-to temperature?
    150:56
    78, I'm melting. See, I can't do that high. No, but check this out. I'm fat. You have to understand. Look, you just run hot. I'm a little chunky. Well, I'll weigh way more than you. I know, but I'm carrying... You know what I have at home at night? Yeah. I have this thing. It's Richie's. Ralph hanging me.
    151:15
    Am I touching my shorts or not? Oh, I get it. I can't hear you good there. You got to hear me out here. I'm listening. We can keep our home at 78 because I have a bed jet. Oh.
    151:28
    It is amazing. Is it awesome? Is it loud or no? No. I need one. For the heat and the cooling. It is the most amazing thing. I hate sweating when I sleep. I want one of those so bad. We don't even use heat in the wintertime. All right. Okay, can I tell you guys, since we're never ending, 65 is insane. I would drop into 65 here just because it's free, you know? Yeah, even. I think there's probably a reason why. Look at Ian. Ian lives up north, and he's saying 65 is insane. I'm saying here because I'm not paying for it. You do 65 at home. No, I do 72 at home. That's crazy, bro. 100. Yeah.
    152:09
    Can I tell you a story I haven't told you? Why not? Me and Rob, this is fresh. Hey, I got a pee. Go pee in there and I'll tell it. Let's keep going. Hey, Joe, we'll let you know. We got to be done after this. No, no, no. I want to keep going. Really? Oh, God. Rachel, order us a pizza. We're going to eat pizza on stream. No, no. We've got to end it. I'm going to end it right here. Don't leave without me. All right. Okay.
    152:37
    Don't die. Are we going longer? No, no, no. We're going to tell this story, and then we're done. And then we're going to order some pie. I think Kale's pretty persistent on staying. No, because I want to go hang out at the pool. And once the sun goes down, we'll go to the pool. And I want to go to the bat. Who goes to the pool when the sun goes down? White people. Rachel and Kale. I'm half Puerto Rican, so I could be fine. Did you give Ralph another three milligram? We'll cool you right down. Oh, the Zin. Thanks for talking about Zin. Right? Is that what it is? Three milligram of what? Pizza and stream. We can't go three hours, guys. This has been too long. Nobody needs this much time. No, this is too long, and they're not going to watch that long of a replay. They're going to be like, what the hell is this? No, no. I'm not even. Should I even upload this? The first six hours was about Dune, so. I know. Jesus Christ. I'm so glad everyone that was watching then is gone. It says we look like we're in a dentist's waiting room.
    153:32
    It's Airbnb. It's Jamie's Airbnb. We do look like we're at a dentist's shop. Does it kind of look like that? No, it's just, it's a nice little condo. It's a nice little condo. It costs more to board my dog than it does. Sorry, that was my drill noise. It costs more to board my dog Bagel than it did from the condo. That's a solid drill noise, dude. You can't tell me that doesn't sound like almost exactly like a dentist's. I don't like, I don't like podcasts with sound effects. Fine. I'm not a sound effect guy. So you hate Don's podcast is what you're saying? No, I do like Don's podcast, but sometimes he goes a little nutty on the sound. I think you overused that one song, but it makes me laugh every time. We got some hoes in this house, got some hoes. I like Don.
    154:21
    We're going just one more minute and I'm going to tell you the story. Why does everybody love him? I didn't even know that song. And Kim's like, I was like, Kim, what is this song? She's like, oh, I don't know. It came out a while ago or something. Did I miss a story? It was stupid. No, we're talking about Don. You didn't miss anything. You missed absolutely nothing. Hey, Don's offended. We'll have the chat. We'll vote on this. I say we order a pizza and we keep this going. I don't even think a YoloBox will last that long. It's going to die. Is it on battery? Yeah. What the hell is with you guys using batteries for doing stuff like this? Because we don't know as long. When the YOLO box is plugged in, it does burn a little warm. Yeah, it does run hot. I have my laptop here. No, we're not – come on. I think we got to chat. The producer even says, like, it's going to be – I'm getting – I'll hang out. I'll hang out by myself. My dog Bagel is a golden retriever, and she's a sweetie. Oh, what the hell is happening right now? Let me tell you this story. So we – Ralph and I, we have this contest Saturday night, and I get a little messed up. I get a little hammered. Okay? On what? Let's not talk about that. What were you on? Let's not talk about what I was doing. Let's just say it was a little hammered. And he was doing like combos of things. Like he was shoving things in his mouth. He had like everything. Where were you? Way back. He had his whole lips. Last night? Saturday night. No. His whole bottom lip was filled with zins. He had like his whole bottom lips. He had like six zins in it one time. Okay, let me tell the story. I don't even know if that's a thing. I don't think he's supposed to do that, actually. Okay, so I'm fucked up. Okay. And we go to leave the bat, and we're just going to go to Fry's, which is like a grocery store. He knows where it is. He's here. I'm telling the audience. Oh, oh. I forgot that we were on the P.D. Watch it. So I go, just take me to Fry's, get me some Diet Coke. So he hauls out, because he's a fast driver, and I start getting nauseous. But I get, you know when you kind of. On whatever it was you were doing. That we can't talk about. That in the Zen didn't work. Okay. Well, and I saw on his face, like, he was kind of got quiet for a minute, and his face looked funny for a minute. Like, you know, like, you're gurgling. I'm gurgling. So I go, now, Orly. What are you thinking? I'm thinking you better not puke in my fucking car. I'm thinking.
    156:43
    I was literally thinking that. Right. Because I like my car. Okay. And I'm kind of a. No. So we go into Fry's. We go into Fry's. I get the Diet Coke. I come back to his car, and I'm going to throw up. But he got in, like, halfway. Like, he put the foot in, like, and, like, we're looking at each other now. He's like, oh, I don't know. Like, I shouldn't. And you were like, get out. Yeah, I was a little nice, but I was tired. I go, I'll be right back. Here's my Diet Coke. Put it in the back seat. I'm going to go throw up. Unfortunately, sushi. That we ate earlier tonight. Oh, that was good. It was good. In the prize parking lot. You really did barf? In the prize parking lot. Oh, right on, brother.
    157:25
    Then I show up in the parking lot, and it was gross. Okay. Of course it's gross, right? And then I puke and rally. I wanted to go back to the bat. I go, all right, I'm okay now. Take me back to the bat. I'm like, dude, we got to take you home. Yeah, you were. So I came home. It's when, you know, you know your buddy's not doing good. You just got to go home. So we got, Ian wants us to keep going. He said he's going to roll some more J's. Other people are going to order pizzas. Well, Jerry's making fun of me for an expo joke because apparently there is something called double dough pizza. Do you know this? In Chicago, you can order a double dough pizza. And in Chicago, everyone was hungry. They're like, oh, we want to eat, want to eat. They were in my room, and I was like, I'll order a pizza. And I didn't purposely order double dough. I just got a double dough. And then, like, we couldn't. Let's talk about it. Why it was funny is that all of them were like, this pizza's, like, super doughy and weird. Like, what's going on with this? And then someone looks on the box, and it says double dough. And then no one wanted it after that. Oh, wow. And then when we were walking through Expo, we were walking back to the hall. I couldn't give anyone a slice of double dough pizza. That sounds gross. No one wanted it. It was really doughy, dude. Oh, man. You know when you buy the dough in the – Because you know it doesn't get fully cooked. Yeah, you know when you buy the dough in the cans? Yes, yeah, the Pillsbury, like the – It's almost like part of the pizza has that. The crescent rolls. Yeah, and it's almost like part of the pizza is doughy and uncooked. That's nasty. It sucks. That's not good for you. Yeah, I don't know. But who in Chicago – Chicago is supposed to be like a pizza mecca, and they do double dough. I don't even know what that – You know what? We should – this has got – we should do a – So I'm cute and rallied. That's a story. Not right now, but at some point we should do a 24-hour stream. Is this for who stays awake? That'd be pretty fun, actually.
    159:15
    All right, do you guys want to order some pizza? Sure. Rachel's going to – are we going to eat it? Everyone wants us to keep going, but I'm done. I'm kind of done now. I've got to call it. Is this thing going to – No, we've got – It's going to melt. That's true. One of the guys in the room, his name is Matt Stringer, he looked at me and he's like, what does double dough even mean? Albert just recorded a 45 minute pod and you're still live when's it going to drop when is your new podcast going to drop and hopefully tonight so I can listen to it he doesn't do much editing he just throws it up so that would be great and I think we're on our way to 24 hours these are going to be 2226 how does that next year we don't know who wrote that Christopher Tranchi we don't even know who Christopher Tranchi is Does Christopher Franchi know Tranchi? Does Franchi know Tranchi or no?
    160:11
    I got a few texts about the beginning of the podcast, so. From who? No, I'm not going to tell you. You have to. Ladies and gentlemen, we want. What happened? Look at Jamie's face. He wants to say something. Tell us. I'm not saying anything. Come on. No way. Come on. Will you tell us verbatim or will you tell us at dinner? Yeah. But not live. Not live. Because you don't want to expose too much. No.
    160:36
    You. Wait, did you get messaged because of your legs or because of – Not because of my legs. Let me see if I got it from that. Just because kale is too hard on barrels of fun. So Franchi doesn't know Tranchi, and it does irritate me.
    160:49
    Oh, wow, of course. How could it not? I was actually bummed. I'm speaking to the real Franchi right now. I was bummed because in one of my streams the other day, it said Christopher Tranchi, but I thought it said Franchi, and I got so excited that you were there, and it wasn't you. But we like Tranchy, too, I guess. Tranchy, I love you. See, we're making a love connection. We like Tranchy, too. We don't know who he is.
    161:14
    Let's all say this. Thank you guys for... Let me see your phone. No way. Get his phone. No way. Let's get it. Come on. Can we just get it real quick? Let's get it. Come on. I'm holding down. Please. Do you have a... He's having a heart attack. I'm having a heart attack. Can I just see it? I got to go back to Houston, you clowns. Oh, this is going to be good. I kind of want to go to dinner now. I want to get the phone. You get the phone. You're more intimidating. He won't give it to me.
    161:39
    Tell him you'll put him in an arm bar or something. One of the things that I love about this podcast is when I first really started talking, how this kind of came together was. Did you name the subject? Yeah, totally. I came together, and I called Cal, and I called you, and I said individually, and I go, I have this idea for the pinball roundtable. And I think it's going to be really great. I think the three of us should be a lot of fun. And if anyone has, you know, we've done this for three hours. We had no script. We had nothing. And we just bullshitted for three hours. I think people really enjoyed it. So thank you so much for coming in here. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it. I have this massive, massive imposter syndrome, which I'm working on with Sensei Kale here. And it's been really great. Hey, we have breaking news here. Is this real? Orbit Games is the new name for American pinball. That is true. Because they want to do more than just pinball. Right. Which they didn't. They have some other games. People don't like that we have legs. We're in Arizona. We have to. I mean, we only have so much we could do about our timing. You know, I used to be on a Peloton. I don't do it anymore.
    162:56
    Thanks, Frangie. Thank you. All right. It's like watching a scary movie with these legs. Don and Carrie are very impressive to me on this story. Okay. And I don't think they've shared this enough. Oh, the American Pinball story? The American Pinball story. Oh, it's good. I could have been part of the story. You could have done it. And I... Because, honestly, do you want to know why? Why? When they were like, we're going to American Pinball, I was like, why?
    163:26
    Oh, really? I was like, I'm going to go back. So I had to go... I don't remember what the fuck we were doing. I think we were going to Stern. Go ahead and eat. No, I remember. Eat whatever you want. We were going to Stern, and we had all eaten at a place beforehand. What game, what launch was this? D&D? I think it was D&D. Okay. And Kerry was there, Dom was there, Colin was there. We were all eating. And I was invited for breakfast, but I didn't make it because I flew in early that morning. It was like lunch or something. I flew in early that morning, so I missed you. We were eating, and then Don was like, hey, wouldn't it be funny to go over to American Pinball and take a picture in front of the sign? And I was like, yeah, no, I don't want to do that. So then I went back to the hotel to get my camera stuff. I was like, meet you guys at Stern. But little did I know that they were going to be able to play Cuphead, because then I was like pissed. But how?
    164:09
    Just the guts, right? And then Colin Alzheimer's in the car. He wouldn't go inside with Don and Carrie. So then they come in and, like, say, hey, we're here to see. No, they didn't say they were here to see that. They were like, hey, we would like, I think they came in and, like, there was a new dude. It was some new guy that was – Well, Kerry's on chat, so he can fix this for us if we're telling the story wrong. How I believe it is there was a new dude that was working there, right? Yeah. And I think – I'm guessing Don or someone was like, hey, we're content creators, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And the new guy who had just started there said, would you guys like to see the new game? And they were both like, yeah, of course. Oh. And then they saw the new game. I think that other – Yeah, no one was at the front desk. That was the thing. And I think, like, in another universe, Jamie could have been with him and had the guts to go in. But in real life, I would have been in the car with Kineticist. Don was the raid leader. And I very much expected that Don was the one leading that. So was Vic there or he just knows the story? No, because Vic was eating with us. Vic was at the lunch with us. So Carrie, Don. They just went by themselves. Can you imagine what they looked like? We wish we would have had the security footage when the guy was like, oh, we have a new game. Do you want to see it? I know. Their faces must have been like. Because any of us would be like, yes. Yeah, you know they're like, well, that's what we're here for. It's such a baller move. Oh, wait. You were there. Okay. You didn't go over with them, did you? I was going to make. Did all three of them get to play it then? Oh. I don't know. The whole point of me bringing it up is it's such a baller move. Yeah, to just be like. I would know I would be hiding in the car. There's no way I would admit it. Oh, me and Colin dipped, though, because Stern was starting. Yeah, that's why I didn't go, though. It wasn't because I didn't really want to go. I just felt like I needed to get my camera stuff, and there's no way I was going to get back to the hotel because I was staying at the Renaissance. I wasn't staying where everyone else was staying because I was already there for work. And then I went to Toronto. There's no way. Anyway, yeah, chickened out. Because he tells the story, too, that he chickened out. Why would you have chickened out, though? I would have been with him. But what would they have even done?
    166:25
    I would have been with him. No way I would have had the guts to do that. No regrets. But was it because things, because at that time, I think, things with David Fix were, like, really hot. Like, he had left. That was when he left the company. Oh, he was already gone. Oh, no, wait. No, maybe he still was there. No, he's gone.
    166:41
    But it would have been, like, fresh. Like, I think he was just gone. No, that whole period was amazing. because you had that weirdo Steve that was working there that they literally just hired off the streets. And he, as soon as he got fired, he goes on a podcast and does a tell-all. Oh, that was pretty. That was a tell-all. What podcast was it? It was Cary's. That's why I joined his Patreon. That video was nuts and cuckoo. I joined Cary's Patreon because he had that dude on. That was a good interview. And Cary didn't even have to say anything. No, the guy just said everything. The dude's like, oh, then they did this. Then they did this. No kidding. Yeah. And then – You need to go back and listen to that. I can't. That was actually awesome. That guy spilled everything. Oh, no. He said it was announced that day that he was going. Oh, that's probably why everyone was so nervous. It had to be. And then David Fix gets fired or they don't renew his contract. That's called fire. Yeah. And then this was the best part because you remember I'm the one that broke the story that Ametron was trying to sell American Pinball. And David Sticks went on a podcast. Oh, that's not true. That's not true. He went on this weird tour for a couple podcasts. As soon as he got fired, he was like, that was absolutely true. And I knew it was true because I knew the details of it. Albert's here. Anyway, again, congrats to Don and Kerry for going in there ballsy. Yeah. Good for you. That's real. And I told Kerry. That was pretty badass. It's a rock move. Now I'm bummed I didn't go. I know. How hell of a thing was I thinking? I flew in too late. I would have never thought they would have played the new game. Do you know what they get for doing that? They get four air horns.
    168:18
    It's pretty badass. It's in the ballroom. I missed the hell out of effects. Speaking of Albert or Albert, since we're still hanging out here, let's talk about Albert, our boy. Let's do it. Where is the patron? He's got to come to Expo? He's setting it up. Well, how long does that take? But he said we are the rat pack of pinball. He said some nice things to me as well. Aw, Orby. So which ones are we?
    168:47
    Well, I'm half Puerto Rican, so I'll take Sammy Davis. I'm half Puerto Rican. You're the Italian. Okay. Oh, this is good.
    169:01
    Chris Franchi, he does know so much shit about American pinball. Oh, wow. I know that for a fact. Because, I mean, he's talked to some people I know. but let's just say yeah alright well that's interesting maybe one day maybe one day they'll be like Frenchie tells all well maybe he'll tell us the expo is Rachel just found out oh yeah that's true um what was I going to say oh get it going Albert come on dude yeah Albert we're going to support the heck out of that you want to hear I want to hear the Stirland you still have never heard it I have never heard it in my life okay so I got to admit someone after It was our last show that you guys were saying I had to hear, right? Someone had it. Whoa. And sent it to me. You're kidding me. Yeah, and it was amazing. It floating around? It was amazing. No, they said to me, you cannot.
    169:52
    I'm doing the thing they said not to do. But they were like, no one else can know you have this. I'm not going to say who gave it to me. Oh, so you have heard it. And holy shit, Albert, it was so epic. It was the best thing I've ever heard. It's crazy. I'm just amazed. I've never heard it. It was so good. for you. It was so good. Patreon and Stern Rant forthcoming. Alright, so listen everyone. But obviously, Albert, I will never share it. I just got to listen to it and I will also support your Patreon.
    170:19
    But I won't send it to anybody. Speaking of Expo, what days are you going again? Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. What about you guys? Same. And Rachel is nodding. Okay, so my issue is I have a wedding Friday morning. Does chat know, because we were talking about this last night, does chat know So last year, didn't Expo open on Thursday night?
    170:43
    I always thought it was Friday. That was the 40th anniversary, right? So they did things differently. They did do things differently. So if I just go Wednesday and Thursday and leave for this wedding on Friday morning, am I even going to be able to walk the hall? I thought the hall opens Thursday. I don't know. We're going to look it up real quick. Does anybody know if they have it handy? I got a piece.
    171:05
    See? You're good. Oh, okay. Dude, we'll play some pinball, play the new Predator game. Is Colin... Colin always does like a media thing. Is he doing that this time? I think so. Hopefully he does that Wednesday night. Media Mixer? Maybe I'll do that Wednesday night so I can go to that because that'll be fun. But then I have this wedding. Can't miss it. Yeah. So I got to fly out first thing Friday morning. But I am looking forward to Expo. You're still on the fence about going to Star Wars. Frenchie's saying he's getting us dinner. Oh. Oh, it's on. That'd be fun. Eat light. What are we going to do? Barbecue? I don't know. What do you do in Chicago? Dom says access on Wednesday.
    171:46
    So, good. We're learning something here. That's exciting. Because I, God, the Expo is so amazing. I love Expo. That's my favorite. I went last year. It was the first time I had gone. That's the first time I met you. Yeah. That was the first year you went? Really? Yeah, my first Expo. Did you go the night that we – the year we did the rave party, Marco's Specialties? I mean, I might have been there but didn't know there was a rave party. Well, a lot of people didn't know. It was freaking crazy. Was it great? Well, it was weird because you had to pay – what was it, like $30 to get in there?
    172:22
    So – Okay, Michael says Wednesday night's the interior, so they can't do that. I mean, you can come. Yeah, Wednesday night, but they call it the bumper blast or something. We're going to have everybody at this dinner.
    172:35
    That'll be fun, huh? Yeah. I feel you guys, if you don't know why we're looking over there, it's because we have the TV. We're looking at all the chat. So I know a lot of times we're not looking at you. We're looking at you. It just took us three hours. We just told you. So if you read it this far, then the reason why we keep looking over there, they probably figured it out. Yeah, they're not idiots. They figured that out.
    172:56
    So Christopher Tranch says fallout. You still hearing that rumor? Is he still solid on that rumor that Fallout is going to be? That's not a rumor. A rumor means something's false.
    173:08
    Like, I think, okay, we have a lot of media people in here. This is what really grinds my gears. All right, let's hear it. That people call so many things rumors.
    173:18
    A rumor is something that is not true, that somebody is spreading. Uh-huh. I don't talk rumors. Okay, well, so...
    173:34
    It's unconfirmed. It's unconfirmed, yes. That's what I would say. So we're hearing Fallout, Elwynn. Definitely.
    173:44
    Elwynn is not doing Pokemon. That's what people are thinking. No, that's the rumor that spins us around.
    173:52
    Play Mechanics is releasing Halo. I don't know shit about that. Pins Ready is doing Big Bang Bar. Is it called Pins Ready? No, Pins Ready.
    174:06
    David's Fix is looking for a job. Oh, boy. Big Bang Bar. Nobody. By the way, what is that? Does that name mean anything? I don't know. Does Big Bang Bar? Right? Is it? Talking about fucking? Oh, boy. We have gotten out of control. It's like a... That's what it means? It's like a play on words.
    174:32
    Yeah, it's the beginning of the universe far. Like, do they explain? I was like, what does the thing mean?
    174:44
    All right. We've got to stop the chat. Don't you think it's time? It's over. We've done three hours. We've gotten in a lot of trouble. I've gotten in a lot of trouble already. I want to hear about it. I'll tell you later. That's why I want to go to dinner. I didn't get in any trouble. Oh, Combo Chuck just tuned in. We have to keep going. That's one more hour. No way. I love Chuck. Combo Chuck asked a really good question somewhere, and I wish I could remember where it was. And I don't even remember the question. It was on the – We need the Big Bang Bus. Ladies and gentlemen, I'm going to tell you, Michael – is that Michael?
    175:18
    He's right. Wait, what? You would make so much – they would sell much more Big Bang Buses. You just said nobody wants the Big Bang Bar.
    175:29
    People want the Big Bang Bar. Good luck with that. More sound effects. Jamie loves them. No. I don't love podcasts like when you listen to a lot of podcasts that have a lot of injections of sounds and that sort of thing. Done.
    175:45
    I don't love it. I have a bone to pick with this guy. Especially when there are animal sounds that are too loud. No offense to the football show. Oh, that crushes me. But it's too goddamn loud. Zach does that. He does it on purpose. I think he's effing with us.
    176:00
    I had to go get hearing aids. No, the last podcast in particular, it was way louder than normal. That's what I'm saying. I think he's having a go at us. Yeah. Okay. So you know what? Make it louder. Let's keep going.
    176:14
    I just want to clip my damn preamp. Because that's a screaming goat and that's a screaming falcon or whatever the falcon is. It's too loud. You've got to turn that down. Yeah, it's like a goat monkey or something. I don't know what it is. It's too much. Every time I'm walking, it's too loud. All right, so. All right, he's bringing the sound. Good deal. We're wrapping it up. Producer. We're wrapping it up. Producer's wrapping it up for us. He's not doing it, but it's cool. No, I like the Super Awesome Pinball Show. I did. I liked it. I never heard it. Oh, no, it was good. But I just don't love sound effects. But we're going to wrap this up, ladies and gentlemen. Thank you guys so much. And we're not going to roundtable for a little while. Yeah, I think we just filled like six episodes.
    176:59
    And the next episode. Jamie's on the phone with his attorney. No, no, no. The next episode. The opinions of Cale Hernandez are the opinions of Cale Hernandez. He doesn't like it. I like it. So what? Who cares? Like what? Dune. Oh, no, no. He didn't say he didn't like it. No, let's clear this up. Rachel cleared that up. You were gone. No, no, we already did it. We already did it. Rachel cleared it up. Let me clear this up. I like dude. Like I was – I've found one here and there that actually works pretty damn well, and I have a blast. And Rachel clarified that earlier. I have a blast, but you have to understand when people ask me this question, it's about making money. This is what I do. This is the only job I have. Like, okay, so people can understand it. Matt, whatever you do at work, let's say you have a kitchen. You know, what do they call those? A restaurant.
    177:57
    And you need, you know, all restaurants need these devices that keep the food at a certain temperature or the Department of Health is going to fuck you, right? Yeah. And you're going to have to throw all that product out. Yeah. And they put a label on your door and all that stuff. It's the. So imagine if you bought a piece of commercial equipment that was supposed to keep your – in order to stay open that day and make money. Right.
    178:26
    This product has to work properly. This is my fault. This product has to work properly. I know. This is because you took a piss. She covered it. Okay. I'm so sorry. I had to pee. No, but you weren't listening. You were right there. You were over there. You were standing right there. Yeah, but I think it's more than just you are confused. Like, I think Dune is – and I've said this. I'm on record. I've said it's beautiful. The shots are freaking amazing. And it's a very cool game, and I do like it. As a pinball fan, I like it. But as a business person, I don't like it. I get that. You probably should have – I think you would have been in better shape if we had said that earlier, though, for you specifically. Oh, okay. Did you get the heat on this one? It's unnecessary. You don't get the heat. You shouldn't get the heat. Don't get Jamie the heat. He loves you guys. Jamie has. Did one of you guys fart? No. What is that smell then? Arizona. Why did I just move my headphone to smell? Do you smell that? Why did I act like I had to move this to smell? I think Jamie let a little bit out. Did you? I did not. I have Tron soap. Love you guys so much. What? I have Crohn's disease. I know that. But I didn't fart. All right. Let's let this go. I love you guys so much. Thank you so much. Thank you for tuning in on this wonderful Labor Day. Kale's a clown, but we love him. And Ralph, you can follow them on Retro Ralph Live. You know where to go. You know where. God bless you. Yeah. Thank you guys so, so much. I really had a great time today. We officially hit three hours, so it's a perfect time to- How about- Congratulations to us. And Jamie stayed awake the whole time. You look solid. Oh, sound like a rock. No worries. Good job. Strong like a rock. Yeah. All right. Thank you guys so much. Thanks, guys. Really appreciate it. I really appreciate it. Take care, everybody. All right. Bye-bye. Can I shut this off? Yeah. Thank you, guys. I'm going to go. We appreciate it. Thank you so much.
    180:28
    Okay. Kill our mics. Thank you.