Episode 71 - Sun Valley

For Amusement Only EM and Bingo Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·16m 20s·analyzed·May 21, 2015

Analysis

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TL;DR

Deep dive into Sun Valley bingo machine: mechanics, artwork, and gameplay appeal.

Summary

Nick Baldridge provides an in-depth discussion of Sun Valley, a late-1950s Bally bingo pinball machine featuring triple-deck scoring, moving number mechanics (magic squares and magic line), and beautiful cabinet artwork of girls in bathing suits skiing. He details the machine's gameplay mechanics, features, and his memorable experience playing Jeff Lawton's example at the York Show, highlighting why it stands out among bingo games he has played.

Key Claims

Sun Valley is a late 1950s Bally bingo machine with triple-deck scoring (red, yellow, green odds)
high confidence · Nick Baldridge, direct description of the machine's core feature
Sun Valley has moving number mechanics where every single number on the back glass can be moved via magic squares (A, B, C, D, E) and magic line (F)
high confidence · Nick Baldridge, detailed explanation of foot rail button functions and mechanical operation
The only time Nick played Sun Valley was at the York Show last year on Jeff Lawton's machine
high confidence · Nick Baldridge, personal experience recounted
Sun Valley has up to three extra balls and two front buttons (red for play/features, yellow for extra balls)
high confidence · Nick Baldridge, mechanical description
Sister games to Sun Valley include Big Time, Beach Time, and Showtime
medium confidence · Nick Baldridge, with caveat that he notes differences between them
Sun Valley has a feature where landing three in line in green scores as four in line
medium confidence · Nick Baldridge, acknowledges he doesn't remember this ever happening in his play
Landing in the center hole (16/Bally hole) awards the first extra ball automatically and a feature for green five in a line
medium confidence · Nick Baldridge, cites mixture of memory and Jeff's book plus Phil Hooper's technical website
Sun Valley has a knocker that goes off every time the machine awards an odds jumper or feature
high confidence · Nick Baldridge, personal observation

Notable Quotes

“Sun Valley, as I've mentioned multiple times in off-the-cuff remarks, has a beautiful cabinet stencil. And the theme of the artwork is girls in bathing suits skiing, which makes a lot of sense.”
Nick Baldridge @ early — Establishes the iconic visual theme of the machine
“When the machine randomly awards you your magic line F and allows you to move every single number on the back glass, it's pretty cool.”
Nick Baldridge @ mid — Highlights the standout mechanical feature that differentiates Sun Valley
“It's a fantastic game and definitely a great entry spot. If one comes up in your area, I'd suggest snapping it up.”
Nick Baldridge @ late — Final endorsement and recommendation
“So if all that isn't enough, Sun Valley also had a feature that would light randomly, where if you landed three in line in the green, it would score as if you had landed four in line.”
Nick Baldridge @ mid-late — Describes an obscure bonus feature
“I would snap up a Sun Valley in a heartbeat when it just has to come along that is in my price range and fixable and I'll be all over it.”
Nick Baldridge @ conclusion — Personal collecting aspiration and validation of the machine's value

Entities

Nick BaldridgepersonJeff LawtonpersonPhil HooperpersonSun Valleygame BallycompanyYork ShoweventBig Timegame Beach Timegame Showtimegame

Signals

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design_innovation: Sun Valley features comprehensive moving number system with magic squares (A-E covering 16 numbers) and magic line (F) allowing manipulation of all 25 numbers on back glass via foot rail buttons
high · Detailed technical breakdown of how each button rotates or moves number groups in circular or linear patterns
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gameplay_signal: Game offers strategic complexity through managing feature stack-up, odds progression, and number positioning for multi-line scoring opportunities
high · Nick describes scenarios where stacking features to F with time tree lit to 'after 5th' creates variable winning paths and multiple scoring possibilities
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design_philosophy: Nick describes using Sun Valley as part of a structured onboarding approach for new bingo players, progressing from ticker tape games to moving number games
medium · Discussion of setup philosophy: 'start with the easier to understand games and move to the ones that have moving numbers'
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restoration_signal: Jeff Lawton's Sun Valley example was maintained in 'top-notch condition' at York Show, suggesting investment in professional restoration/upkeep
medium · Nick notes the machine was 'running in top-notch condition' during the show
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collector_signal: Nick identifies Sun Valley as a high-priority acquisition for his collection, willing to buy if price is right and game is in fixable condition
high · 'I would snap up a Sun Valley in a heartbeat when it just has to come along that is in my price range and fixable'

Topics

Bingo pinball machine mechanicsprimaryMoving number systems (magic squares and magic lines)primaryTriple-deck scoring in bingo gamesprimaryCabinet artwork and aesthetic designsecondaryBingo pinball collecting and acquisitionsecondaryTeaching progression for new bingo playerssecondaryPinball show experiences (York Show)secondarySister games and game variantsmentioned

Sentiment

positive(0.92)— Nick expresses strong enthusiasm and affection for Sun Valley throughout, using phrases like 'special place in my heart,' 'fantastic game,' and 'I'll be all over it.' The tone is educational and earnest, driven by genuine passion for the machine's gameplay and design.

Transcript

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what's that sound it's for amusement only the em and bingo pinball podcast welcome back to for amusement only this is Nicholas Baldridge today i wanted to talk about one of my favorite bingo games that i've ever played and of course I haven't played all of them for sure and I certainly haven't even played a small percentage of them but of the ones that I've played this one has a special place in my heart mainly because of the potential for extra earnings in replays and that's Sun Valley Sun Valley, as I've mentioned multiple times in off-the-cuff remarks, has a beautiful cabinet stencil. And the theme of the artwork is girls in bathing suits skiing, which makes a lot of sense. But hey, they look good doing it, I guess. So, Sun Valley has triple deck scoring, which means that it's got red, yellow, and green odds, and different orientations of lines in the bingo card in the back glass to tell you where you're scoring. So, for example, I've never mentioned this before, but green starts with the number 16 in the center and fans out in all directions. Up, down, left, right, and diagonally. Up and to the left, up and to the right, and down. So, red runs on the upper line all the way across horizontally. and on the right-hand side all the way down vertically. It also runs on the second line vertically and the second line from the bottom, or the next to the bottom, horizontally. Yellow is the bottom line horizontally, the leftmost line vertically, the second from the rightmost line vertically, and next to the top horizontally. And Sun Valley is one that has the Magic Squares feature, but it's also got the Magic Lines feature. And what's beautiful about Sun Valley in particular is that you can move every single number on the back glass if you have the feature up to F lit. Now another interesting thing is that as an older machine, not incredibly old, but older than, say, Bounty, it's a late 50s machine, it has a knocker installed. and the knocker goes off every time the machine awards an odds jumper a feature, which is pretty cool to hear in person. I, for one, you know, ever since I was a little kid, I was trained to love that sound of the knocker going off, so that just brings up all the nostalgia and so forth that I have built up around pin games in general. So with Sun Valley which was put out before pick and play so you just have the one red button on the left, you have to wait for the machine to award you. Now the only time I've ever played it was at the York Show last year, and it was Jeff Lawton's machine, and of course it was running in top-notch condition there, and I was pretty much swinging between that and roller derby right beside it for most of the show when I wasn't checking on my own machine or checking out some of the other games that were there. There were some really good games there last year, and there typically are, but Sun Valley was a standout for me. So aside from the really phenomenal cabinet stencil on Sun Valley and the beautiful artwork on the back glass and the play field, there's also that really engaging gameplay. So when the machine randomly awards you your mystic line, or magic line, excuse me, it's not a mystic line, it's a magic line. When it awards you magic line F and allows you to move every single number on the back glass, it's pretty cool. it's also got a time tree and getting the after fifth lit means that you can move any number on the back glass at any time during the game which is pretty liberating beyond that it's got up to three extra balls which add an extra just one more button push element to the game So this game has two buttons on the front of the cabinet. It's got the red button, which basically plays for scores and features and starts a new game, and then the yellow button, which plays for extra balls. On the foot rail, it's got six different buttons, A, B, C, D, E, and F. And A, B, C, D, and E correspond to magic squares on the back glass. and F is the magic line. Now, A, B, C, and D are in the typical magic square orientation, and magic squares were normally rotated around in a circle. So if you had, for example, the number, let's say the number 9 in the upper left, and you pushed the A button, assuming that you had the feature lit, it would move 9 over to the right one position and it would move the number that it displaced which in this case would be the number one it would move that down and the number in that place would move over to the left and the number in that place would move into 9 original position and you can move all all the way in a circle. It's really cool to watch. It's a neat mechanical effect, backbox animation. And you could do that in four different quadrants, A, B, C, and D. So that makes up 16 different numbers out of the 25 on your bingo card. Now, the last magic square set up is E. And E is the bottom row and the first four numbers in that row. And basically they just hop along. They move from one to the next to the next to the next column and then they wrap back around And column F which is the far right hand column is your magic line and so that moves up and down As I say, one of the really fun things about the game is if you have your features racked up all the way, then it's going to make it easier to score in multiple colors off of one game. So in your best scenario, you're going to have your features lit up to F with your time tree lit up to after 5th, and your odds hopefully racked up fairly high. But as this is a random award only, there's no guaranteed extra steps by pushing the blue button because there's no pick and play. you're left with what you can do. But if you can position all the numbers so that you have five in a row, whereas before maybe you only had three in a row, that's pretty phenomenal scoring possibilities. And part of what makes it frustrating is when you have shot your five balls, you've got this great feature lit and you've got your odds racked up pretty high and you still can't make a winner that seemed to happen to me fairly frequently but the game is just phenomenal I've really enjoyed playing that and there's no other bingo that I've played that's quite like it now there are some sister games to it. For example, Big Time or Beach Time and even Showtime, but Big Time and Beach Time allow for moving all the numbers on the back glass. And the artwork on Sun Valley is just a standout for me. But But Showtime is probably the closest sister game, and I've actually worked on a Showtime, but it's not the same because it didn't have the magic line F. So, again, my time with Sun Valley was limited. I only played it during one weekend of my life. but I really hope to meet up with it again at some point, and maybe even add it to my collection, because it's certainly a keeper from an artwork perspective, but beyond that, from a gameplay perspective, there are so many ways that you can win on it that I don't feel like I would ever be through with the game. assuming that the game was set up in its normal default position and set up to take money that would be right in my wheelhouse because you have to measure how much money you're putting in versus your potential payout so if it takes you a dollar's worth of nickels 20 to light Magic Line F, but your odds are still down at the beginning. Well, that tells you a couple things. First of all, you probably have just gotten on the machine after someone else has won an awful lot and bumped that reflex unit up. As I've talked about before, that forms the auto circuit in the game and if someone gets on and wins a whole bunch of credits then it going to make it more difficult to light features and scores next time So, if all that isn't enough, Sun Valley also had a feature that would light randomly, where if you landed three in line in the green, it would score as if you had landed four in line. That's a pretty nice feature. And I don't remember this ever happening, but maybe it's just my terrible ability at playing the game. some bingos had something called a bally hole and the bally hole was typically the hardest to shoot hole on the play field in this case 16 it's right in the center of the play field and there are an awful lot of things that try to block your ball from going into 16 well if you happen to land in 16, it'll award you the first extra ball automatically, and a feature that will award you green five in a line if you score a ball in each of the corners of the bingo card. Now, again, I don't remember that, but hey, my memory's not perfect. and it's coming up on a year ago since I laid hands on it. So this information is cobbled together from a mixture of memory and Jeff's book as well as Phil Hooper's technical bingo website. Really, what more is there to say? It's a fantastic game and definitely a great entry spot. If one comes up in your area, I'd suggest snapping it up. It's a great game to learn on, I would say, and a great game to play. It's a single card. It's got moving numbers, but every single number moves. There is a learning curve associated with those moving numbers, as I've talked about before. and I think my new setup of moving people from ticker tape to the more complicated moving numbers games is working well for any bingo heads out there. So you start with the easier to understand games and move to the ones that have moving numbers and that I think makes a difference in people's understanding. But still, your main goal is to get three, four, or five in a row, and it doesn't matter which color you get them in, except to you, the player, because you may have really low odds in one color versus another. So, again, I would snap up a Sun Valley and a Heartbeat when it just has to come along that is in my price range and fixable and I'll be all over it. And then I need space, but that's another discussion. Well, thank you again for joining me. My name again is Nicholas Baldridge. You can reach me at 4amusementonlypodcast at gmail.com and you can listen to us on iTunes, Stitcher, Pocket Casts, via RSS, on Facebook, on Twitter, on our website for amusementonly.libsyn.com Thanks again for listening and I'll talk to you next time.