Warning, the following episode contains adult language and screaming goats. Listener discretion is advised. The Pinball Network is online. Launching, The Pinball Show. Pinball is a game of skill. For some, it's a passion and a lifestyle. It's time for The Pinball Show. it's pinball with personality whoo dennis that was one hell of a week welcome to the pinball show episode 49 with your host zach minney and dennis creasel dennis how are you i am okay fair i am fair fair okay sure a little robotic this morning yep confirmed Your analysis is correct Oh Wrong program I don't know why I'm doing a robot thing This is a weird morning How's it going Zach? Have you not had your caffeine? Yeah I don't want to admit how much I've already consumed this morning People will judge me But they'll judge me no matter what Is that not pinball? That's pinball in the 21st century I think it's probably always been pinball I think pinball has always been a judgy group particularly regarding what i consume oh i see what you did there double play on words did you are you ecstatic about the kansas city chiefs making it into the super bowl next week yeah it's it's very exciting here of course we we thought we had a really good shot because the team overall very much looks like last year's team but you never know and we had gone such a long time without super bowl appearances that it's still kind of new to us you know we're not we're not like the patriots we're not used to this sort of thing we're not used to all this pat got hit pretty hard the other night yeah yeah and of course uh we we lost him in one of the playoff games because of the though he it sounds like as far as he is aware he he did not actually sustain a concussion during that as far as he's aware a bit of a neurology joke there oh no it kind of reminds me of steve young who used to at points i'd be like oh my gosh you've been hitting the head way too much was always my sorry steve young if you're listening but i just had this impression he sounds much better now but there was a point where i was like oh he needs to steve you need to stop playing this it sounds bad sounds bad oh but uh yeah because i mean he was real wobbly and stuff so i yeah i mean clearly his brain got shook but apparently after within a day he was not exhibiting any of the symptoms but you have to really diagnose i guess symptomatically it's not like they can just do a scan in all instances and be able to identify exactly what happened so a bit of a stinger there and uh there is no such thing as mild moderate concussions very likely he had a head injury but his ass is way too important right now for them to uh not just brush over it that's my opinion but i have no evidence of that just uh just he looked okay in the last game though he sure did even with his tea he's gotten injured he's got turf toe too it was impossible to deal with too so yeah that's yeah but he was moving around and yeah so anyway we're we're excited It reminds me of one of the clinical interview questions I have at work where I ask an individual, do you have any known history of concussions or head injuries? And then I always say, that you remember. And then I chuckle and I say, sorry, a bit of a neurology joke there. Do they ever laugh? Quite a few of the very educated, wise ones do. They're like, oh, okay, I see what you did there. Nicely done. Maybe they're just laughing to be polite because I don't think that's very funny. That's a funny psychologist joke. Well, maybe if I was a psychologist, I would have laughed. But to me, I'm like, eh, it sounds kind of predictable. It's not like a typical Pavlovian slang. Pavlov jokes, too. Skinner. That's a little deeper cut. BF Skinner. So you've got the Chiefs you're going to be celebrating. Do you think they win this week? Yes. Based off of how they've performed in the past. Now, it was a close game, but they've won against Tom before. Earlier this year. I always want Tom to lose anything he does Yeah, I kind of do too and I'm trying to, obviously given, it's easy in this instance because the Chiefs are the team I follow so it's easy for me to support but it got to the point where normally when it wouldn't be the Chiefs, I would support the AFC team, unless it was the Patriots Oh, so you stay with that division there That's what I normally do It's like the mathematical, logical course of action, I think Sure I should be more of a Tom Brady fan poor guy doesn't really do anything he gets shit on a lot just because well Deflategate and all that I mean come on maybe it wasn't all him but they've done some shady stuff I can relate getting shit on what's the shadiest thing you're going to get Patrick Mahomes on he does too many State Farm commercials every time he throws a bad pass I'm at the point, this is bad I yell at the TV and I'm like, quit doing so many commercials and focus on your game how much money do you need? he's like, well State Farm pays better than the NFL he bought part of our baseball team, the Royals I'm like, you got enough money, you don't need to do all the commercials maybe just do half the commercials oh man, State Farm I'm going to have to call State Farm because I have a 15 year old son that just got his driver's permit, Dennis oh that's terrifying now I need to ask and yes, there's judgment here because as a pinballer, I too judge. Judges. So what sort of family are you? Are you the sort of family that is going to go and buy him a brand new vehicle? Are you going to buy him a used vehicle? Are you going to make him buy his own vehicle? Or is he not interested in getting a vehicle? Oh, I would say a couple of those apply. I don't know. What generation would he be? He's age 15. He would be a – see, I don't know the newer – Do they call them Zoomers? I don't know. I don't know. Sometimes they're not really named until after the generation is already well underway. Regardless, his generation is so, I'll say, weird to be nice. But he's the type that is anxious in general because he gets that from me. But he doesn't want a driver's license. He doesn't want to drive. He is totally content with living in a larger city and riding the bus or the subway. And I'm like, who in the hell are you? You're not my son. Yeah, that's pretty common. It's the social media thing because for us – well, you're younger than me, but I think you're still old enough that we didn't have that. So for us, vehicles were freedom. Yes. That's what – I mean I could go and hang out with my friends or do stuff, and I didn't need my parents to take me somewhere. And so getting access – I didn't care until I was old enough to get my permit, and then I really cared. Yeah. And then we had an older vehicle that I had to share with my sister unless – my parents wouldn't get me a car. That's pretty normal. And so that made me want to get a job and buy my own car so I didn't have to share. But now, because they can go online and talk with their – it's not like, you're on the phone, get off the phone. It's with the texting and the TikTok and the Tumblr and whatever else. I don't know all the stuff. So they have ways where they're not being monitored constantly by their parents and engaging with their friends in a social atmosphere without vehicles. That's what I think it comes down to. I think you're correct. That does make sense. Yeah, I'm usually correct. So let's go with that. Well, and the sad thing is I feel like I always tell my wife, I say, I fucking feel like we're raising a miniature Dennis Creasel. You guys have so much in common. I'm glad that you – That's a bold presumption. I'm glad that you and my wife never met because then I'd have questions. But everything he decides or does or how he holds himself, I always tell him, I'm like, that's such a creasal thing to say. Man, he's like, who are you talking about? No, he knows the reference. He gets the reference. But he'll recite things to me, and I'm like, you don't know that. You just know the meme version of that. Or he's very analytical, and he's like, no, that would be a poor decision based on this. I'm like, get your hands dirty. Who gives a shit? But no, he won't. He's very crease-alike. Oh, God. If it were a turn. Yeah, it must be hard for you to have your flaws constantly pointed out to you that much. It is. It really is. Love the kid just like I love you, but man, I think we'll buy him a used vehicle. Because he can't go to work without a vehicle. That's a fair point. Because I have four kids and I don't want to drive his ass around. Everyone does different things. I know someone that they bought the vehicle, but they said, you have to get a job and pay the insurance. Oh, yeah, that'll be it. That'll be it. At 15, my parents took me to work every night. I was a worker. I was busing tables. Yeah, no, I got dropped. My mom would be off in time to pick me up from my first job. My first car cost $500, so I didn't have to work all that long before I could buy the car. Yeah, I was like Robert Byers. I had a 94 Camaro. I had a 1983 Ford LTD, medium yellow, with a white vinyl top. Did you have a stick in the back seat to fend off all the hot chicks? Back, I say. That vinyl top was sexy, let me say. My uncle was a mechanic, and he restored that. I had pinstripes on that car. Oh, my God. Oh, it was. Unfortunately, the engine would die quite a bit. It had an inline-six engine. And the weirdest thing, that model of Ford, the horn, you couldn't push the center of the steering wheel. It was actually on the blinker. You had to hit the side of the blinker in, and that would honk the horn. Okay. I wonder what the correspondents, what they drove as their first vehicle. Why don't we jump over there, listen to see what kind of news that they drummed up for us, and then we'll go from there. Yeah, let's do it. It's time for TPN Industry News. Hi, this is Ken Rodberg with your Jersey Jack update. Last week, the pinball world was set on fire with the presentation of the Pinball Industry Awards, hosted by Greg Bone and the pinball show's very own Zach Meddy. It was a great opportunity for those who put their heart and soul into making these machines for us to be recognized. The big winner of the evening was, unsurprisingly, Jersey Jack Pinball's Guns N' Roses, with awards for Best Lighting Effects, Best Theme Integration, Best Innovation, Best Music, Best Animation Display and Effects, and overall Best in Show. Let's hope that Jersey Jack has invested in an industrial display cabinet to hold all of those crystals that are on the way. Congratulations to Jersey Jack for this unprecedented achievement. And in more Guns N' Roses news, there's been a code update to version 1.12. This update is mainly for the collector's edition owners with enhanced lighting effects for the cabinet and topper lighting, as well as some bug fixes. For the Pinball Show, this has been Ken Rudberg. Thanos is in the house! Stern wins big at the PIAs and rumors abound! Hello and welcome to the Pinball Show's Stern News Update. I'm Craig Bobby. New code! Yes, it's that time again. Stern Pinball has posted new Avengers Infinity Quest code, V.98, for the Pro, Premium, and Limited Edition models. This code contains numerous game enhancements, including the much-anticipated Final Battle Thanos and Thanos Attack Wizard modes, and, good news, back by popular demand, the Black Widow left ramp to Black Panther right orbit combo shot. This high-scoring combo shot was first shown by number one pinball player and stern coder, Raymond Davidson, to be highly exploitable, but don't be too quick to try and get a billion points the Ray Day way. The re-edition of this code now has limitations but can then be used to set up shots into other infinite combos. This new code update also includes additional polish, game adjustments and bug fixes. And in case you were too busy playing Pinball to Notice, congratulations to all the winners at the Pinball Industry Awards online show this past week. Stern winners included Best Art, Cabinet and Backglass for TMNT, Best Art and Playfield, TMNT, Best Playfield Layout, Avengers Infinity Quest, Best Rules, Avengers Infinity Quest, Best Accessory, Stranger Things UV Lighting. And what would the new year be without rumors, rumors, and more rumors? From Keith Elwin designed Godzilla vs. King Kong, to Harry Potter, to Brian Eddy Back to the Future, to Christopher Franchi drawn James Bond, to a Steve Ritchie Pink Floyd music pin, is there any rumored licensed theme that Stern isn't working on at the moment? Well, as I've said many times before, we shall wait and see. Well that's all for this week For the Pinball Show, I'm Craig Bobby Catch you on the flip side Hey this is Kaz with an American Pinball Update Sophia Ryan and David Fix were guests on the super awesome Pinball Show episode 24 She spoke a lot about her time at Williams working with Dennis Norbin on games like Scared Stiff and how Dirty Harry is one of her favorite games She also owns all the games that she's worked on and still loves to play pinball David Fix also mentioned a new female junior mechanical engineer that's going to be announced very soon. So I'm looking forward to all the new additions at American Pinball. I hope everybody has a great week and has fun playing pinball. For the Pinball Show, this is Brian Kosner. Well, Zach, it's always great to hear from the correspondents, though. That Craig Bobby is laying it on a little thick for my taste. Just a little thick. Just a bit outside. I love the thickness of his news report. Just all sides. All sides thick. That's what she said. The Pinball Industry Awards this week. Oh, were they? I've heard. Or last week, yeah. Do we really need another award show, though? Nah, probably not. Oh, boy. We had a lot of fun conducting the Pinball Network, conducting that Pinball Industry Awards that aired on the 28th at 8 p.m. Thanks for all of you guys that listened, followed through, and showed up, chatted with us, had a lot of fun celebrating all of the pinball that happened in 2020, as well as those who went back and watched the on-demand of it. Reception-wise, we've been getting really good feedback overall, I would say. Dennis, agree? Yeah, yeah. I mean, there were a few people that were skeptical before the event, and there were some, of course, that had criticism, some of it unfounded, and some of it is just legitimate things to look at for next year. Malarkey. We've always invited feedback. some malarkey we've always invited feedback we don't like the malarkey so much but I know it's pinball and some people just can't help themselves but I know yeah that's okay I think we had 300 to 400 throughout the whole night pretty much yeah mostly around that like 350-ish mark live when I was watching which I watched the whole thing it tailed off towards the end yeah and would we 2-3,000 views VOD so far after a couple days I think it's over 3,000 at this point yeah Cool. So I wasn't expecting that big of a response, especially it being the first year and it being parked over at the Pinball Network YouTube, which is kind of non-existent at this point. Yeah, we have like, what, six videos there or something? We don't have much there. That's a goal for 2021. But the response was really big. People were appreciative for the most part. And we had some big winners. I think GNR kind of took the night from Georgia Tech. Obviously, it won the Best in Show Game of the Year, however you want to think of it. The Best Overall Game Award went to GNR. Pretty handily from the vote, too. Yeah, absolutely. And then we had Stern still took home five. I think GNR took home, or Jersey Jack took home six, Stern took home five. I was surprised at the mix of games that won. Because normally, I think, well, we've never seen a Critics Award. So I'm here and I'll be really curious once the twippies roll around to see if there are because a lot of the categories are the same or similar. And I'll be I'm just really curious to see. Do we see different results between critic selection, media selection and mass public selection? Just analytically, I think it's neat. I think that's interesting to think about how different types of people consider these sort of things. And what surprised me with the critics, because I didn't going in, I didn't know what to expect. But we did ask them all to be really objective. We can't control how they learned about the games, whether they played them or whether they watched videos or they talked with the designers. But we stressed in the ballot and in the email about the ballot to try and be objective. And I think they really took that to heart. And that's why we saw five different games, various games, win these awards. Yeah, the results. Which is a pretty diverse group when you consider. When you have heist from Multimorphic Jump Up, Take a Crystal Home, as well as a couple from Spooky Pinball, Taking Home Some Crystals, and even the top threes were very diverse as well. Yeah, but you think about there were eight games. There were eight games eligible for crystals, and five of them won something. That's a good point. Yep, that is a good point. It was really nice, nicely executed by the team at TPN, I think, us as a team. The only surprise for me was that Stranger Things did fall into that top three categorization on a lot of those categories. I didn't see that for a lot of the stuff. Theme integration being one of them. I thought, oh, or sound effects. Stranger Things, interesting. Yeah, I think that really, again, got to that objectivity. Plus, to be fair, if there was a game that people had hands-on time with, it was probably Stranger Things because it came out before the pandemic. and it is trending a bit with new code and stuff but it might have been like a recency thing this game actually we can't shit on it anymore it's it's got a lot of good qualities the fun narrative zach would be that you put your finger on the scale and gave stranger okay well you did that for those that don't know and i don't i i think i feel like we've explained this truth doesn't matter dennis but i well i it matters to me so i'm gonna i'm just gonna opine a little bit here So please don't – I know pinball people are judgy, so don't feel I'm judging you all too much. But there were three different selection things going on depending on what type of award there was. All of the awards that went to the games were done by a group of judges, not just TPN. TPN was a minority of the judging pool. There were 40 judges that ultimately voted. They didn't all vote in every category, but they had the option to. And you were not one of them. I was not. Nope. You were not one of the 40 judges. So you were not a single vote for Stranger Things on any of this because you did not turn in a ballot. My only vote was buying one, owning one, and loving one. That's it. That's not a vote. That's just buying stuff. That's true. Bye, bye, bye. How have your sales been? Have the Pinball Industry Awards spiked the flipping out? I heard that too. This is a circle jerk that's just for selling games. I'm like, what the fuck? No. Nope. Still no red on that one. I don't make any money from selling games. I did it because I thought it would be fun. I had fun with it, so I'm glad I participated. How dare people think that all this work was done by just me? It was a lot of work. Yes, it was. I'm like, okay, I think – I know the Twippies are a different style of award, but it's got to be a ton of work too. It's like, oh, wow, that is – so hats off to Jeff and the Twippy committee because holy cow. It's a lot of work. I'm not going to say it's thankless, but it's a lot of work for – there's not a whole lot of incentive other than just the fun of recognizing the hobby you enjoy. Yeah, if your self-esteem is a little too high, do an award show or do a YouTube video or a podcast. Be pinball media if you feel your self-esteem is too high. Yeah, even among your – People will be more than happy to run you down. Right, even among your peers. They're some of the most ferocious ones. I think overall it was a lot of fun. We had a blast doing it. And one of the greatest pieces of feedback for me, Dennis, was kind of having you guys give a lot of input about the actual ceremony because that was more my cup of tea. Everybody did such a good job in taking in the votes, formulating websites, doing all of the rules, having this thing as transparent and objective as possible, holding meetings. You guys did all of that work, and that was the majority of everything. I had a little piece in the ceremony, production, writing, editing stuff. And to be able to present that to my team and my friends within TPN and the media and even the industry, it was really nice to hear the positive feedback overall. We did have the ceremony process went over well enough. There were some hiccups behind the scenes that people weren't privy to, and they were very stressful. You caught some of my stress, right? Yeah, you always sound stressed, Zach. When it comes to pinball. You always sound stressed. Just telling it like it is. Yeah, it's true. Yeah, there's some stuff. I mean, in terms of the overall ceremony from the public perspective, the only one I heard of, and I've already told you this because I do echo it to a degree, was the swirly background of Doom. I don't think that's the official label for it. It is now. So for those that don't know, I actually suffer from motion sickness. I used to. I didn't know that. I used to for early 3D video games like Wolfenstein and such, I had to take Dramamine before I would play or else I would become nauseous. So that started to trigger a little bit of that for me, and I know some other people were getting dizzy or getting motion sickness because it didn't go on very long. No, the decision to put that just in the intro outro was probably a good one then. Yeah, ultimately, I do thank you for that. But for me, that could have caused a literal hiccup with vomit. So had it gone on for a long period, I just, because it catches my eye and it's just something like, yeah, I couldn't, as growing up, I couldn't like read in the car very long unless I took Dramamine. I just, the emotion of trying to read words while bouncing. I would encourage people to go back, watch youtube.com slash the pinball network. Go over, take a watch. If you've already seen through it, watch it again. It's a lot of fun and it's a good celebration. But the process itself, the thing that I wasn't expecting, as we filmed that probably a week and a half prior to the ceremony. And so it was prerecorded. And we hoped like hell that all the filming was going to be – because going back and reproducing parts of it was going to be impossible. All that worked wonderfully. Wonderfully captured lighting and everything, audio. All of it was great. But in the editing process, Dennis, editing is always, and I think my pal Emoto that does the Twippies will relate very well, and we talked about it. It's kind of a nightmare. Editing is very, very tough, often overlooked, underappreciated work, but that's what gives the character of a certain piece. I wasn't expecting, so I was proud of myself, Dennis and the listener, that editing-wise, I've poured over 100 hours easy into the editing of the Pinball Industry Awards. probably over 200 hours I was proud that I got it done my first cut usually there's about 2 or 3 edit sessions first cut was done like 3 days prior to the ceremony I was like that's cutting it close 3 days? I'm like 3 days this is great I'm going to be able to I'll render the first draft just to kind of see where we're at I'll go back and start editing little bitty hiccups that are going to be there well I started that render and 24 hours later it still wasn't done. And 36 hours later it was then done 36 hours listening That is a long run I blame the swirly background of Doom That didn help And the layering of the different, like the podium behind the scenes, the podium didn't have an insignia that said the Pinball Industry Awards. That was digital. But stuff like that layered on top of one another for an hour and 40 minutes. So needless to say, 36-hour render time, then cut an entire day and a half of editing. I thought I'd be able to edit out some of the little things. Like there's a fucking typo at the beginning, which I'll never let myself forget. There were some transition issues on a couple occasions. So we're going to put up a nice re-edited version that took another day to render. But, man, it was up to the final second. Like I thought surely I would have this thing done way in time. But, nope, nope, that's just – that's how showbiz is, Dennis. That's them breaks, as they say. That's why I wouldn't put up the other re-render. I just live with it. No. Live with your mistake. Advice. God, advice. Advise. Advice. Whatever. Thanks, typo machine. We did get some nice feedback from some pretty prominent people, like, I don't know, Slash from Guns N' Roses? Who's that? Commented. He's got, like, really big, beautiful hair and a big top hat and glasses and a nose ring, I think. Or is that Lenny Kravitz? Who is that? I think Kravitz, they both, I think, have nose rings. Rockstar status. Oh, okay. Okay. Eric Meunier was, and thanks to Eric Meunier for hanging out during the ceremony, interacting with people. That was, see, it's stuff like that. That was nicely done. But he said on social media, he reached out to Slash from Guns N' Roses, the co-creator of Guns N' Roses by Jersey Jack. And Slash said, quote, wow, that's fucking awesome. Congrats, man. Please congratulate everybody who worked on it for me. That's a direct quote from Slash about winning Best in Show and all of the crystals from the Pinball Industry Awards. That feels good, right, Din Din? Yeah. That feels good. We even have the Slow Mo Guys, very YouTube famous Slow Mo Guys. They quoted on Kerry Hardy's YouTube. He did a video on the Pinball Industry Awards and feedback he was giving. Gavin or Gav from the Slow Mo Guys responded and said, quote, So honestly, it was a great honor to be part of this and to share the category with such longstanding and admired pinball creators. I know I'm new to pinball and don't regularly make pinball content, but this is a new hobby that's brought me so much happiness to me in the recent months. Wow. That's nice. Wow. That video is really good. It's really good. It's really good. I saw that video from Kerry. Yeah, that's one of the things that that – see, that one is an excellence award where Slash was commenting on those category awards. And those were determined in different ways. I think people get confused about that. So in the case of the videography, one of the big things – and the minutes will go up on the website. Our webmaster is just really busy with work right now. And so he will get those up, but obviously work needs to come first for George. But yeah, the thing was that video had such an impact. I mean, it's an interesting thing to say. You have someone like Gav who comes in who's not a quote-unquote pinball person or wasn't up until that point. Maybe we've indoctrinated him now. But it taught pinball people things that we did not know. It took an outsider coming in and shooting the video the way they did to show us stuff about our own hobby. That says a lot, I think. It says a lot. Yes. Yes, it does. I was overwhelmed by that video, how great it was and how much of an impact it had for our industry. I'm glad the TPN media came in together and agreed that that was a really, really good piece along with Emoto Arcade. Yeah, you mentioned her editing. I mean, yeah, her videography work was recognized as well for good reason. What did you think about the actual hardware itself? I love the crystal. Well, it was – yeah, it looked nice. It's hard to film on green screen. Yeah, I was just going to say clear crystal doesn't – even without the green screen, it might have been hard just because it's clear crystal. I never really thought about that until you tried to show them. Nope. They looked hefty. I mean, I like them. Obviously, we knew for quite a while that we were going to run with crystals and do shorthand thinking, hey, crystals would work really well. Let's do some crystal trophies. Yeah, I thought they looked great. I like that the excellence ones look different than the category awards, and I like that the best in show is different than both. That's the big boy. I thought it was cool. It was really, really nice. See, in retrospect, I think David Dennis, who has helped us so, so much from Silver Ball Chronicles and TPN, he was asking, like, do you have any photos of the trophy for promotional use? And I'm like, okay. So one day I took about an hour to try to just take pictures of that damn trophy. It's impossible. That's why if you had a mirrorless camera, if you hadn't wasted your money on DSLR. It was the lighting. No, all of it was impossible because anything you put it by, it reflects and dazzles off of it. So I think people are going to enjoy it. What about that announcer? We're going to now call our announcer, who's the third character of the ceremony. We're going to call her Crystal. A misannouncer lady? Misannouncer lady. That was fun. Oh, and let me put in really quick because I know there are photographers that listen. I'm joking about the DSLR thing. That was a joke. Oh, yeah. You're going to get angry emails. Just don't write into the pitballnetwork.gmail.com and say, Dennis, that's completely unfair. DSLR is a completely professional camera. I don't want to hear it. It was a joke. No, I've learned my lesson across all these podcasts. Photogs, you've got to watch out for them. I need to be clear. I'm going to hear the end of it. You're going to have a disclaimer every time you make a statement now. No, only the most blatant ones. I don't want to kill all of my jokes. She transformed that ceremony. That was a great – and the chat really responded well to the integration of her as the announcer on top of you and Greg as the hosts. She was so funny calling me a shill and saying that she brings class to that shit show. Oh, and saying I like turtles. I like twaddles. So, so good. I had a blast, but I am glad it's over. Yes, yes. Let us not ever do that for several months. Oh, man. I don't know. Did you hear one of the hosts named Zach? God, he was a stud. He announced next year that the Pinball Industry Awards will be a live event. That's pretty terrifying. That's pretty presumptuous. Wow. Let's hope that they're not a bunch of COVID strain mutations that change that up. Here comes Denny Downer again. I'm just saying. It'll be fine. People are going to be juiced up a vaccine. I don't think people will judge you if you have to pivot from it. I'm just saying, you know, we don't know. That's the goal. A nice Gallup. Would you come? Probably. Yeah. I mean, I'm assuming we're going to keep it in January, right? Yeah, keep it in January. Live Gallup, live mixer. What, you're going to do it in Chicago? Yeah, in Chicago. In the winter? Absolutely. Oh, wow. Depending on flights, maybe. I wouldn't want to drive it. everybody in the industry holds one another stays warm it will be fine and i'm thinking after uh tpn can hire a dj or a band and after the awards are over we can all celebrate together in a nice fashion i think it's going to be fun we just got to figure out how we're going to do the tables and different things and who's going to be invited and all that but i've already talked to some of the industry leaders over at um summit stern and jjp and and whatnot and they're very interested in going so it'll be a blast and before we close out this this portion of news i have to say i forgot a very important thank you man you don't have to thank me zach well i i adore you but i forgot to thank the person who created the actual logo for the pinball industry awards Joel, you forgot Joel? I did. Joel Engelbert, thank you so much. And publicly, I wanted to make this public because I completely forgot him in the credits. I forgot him just overall. But I gave him a concept, a vision for what we wanted as the logo for the crystals. And he knocked it out of the park and he did a wonderful job and went back and modified it as we needed. And, yeah, none of this could have been done without him. So, Joel Engelbert, I love you. thank you so much for doing that and i'm so sorry don't let that be a reflection upon me not appreciating it by forgetting it's just um i'm an idiot and i forget shit so thank you joel yes thank you joel we also had another award show that led up to the pinball industry awards called the reach around did you get the impression it's only a few people but you get the impression some people didn't realize that that was a joke i did okay people really were like, oh, geez, another award. These guys can't circle jerk themselves enough. It was for fun. I mean, granted, the quote-unquote real award shows are for fun, too, but it was both for fun and a joke. I thought it was a dynamite, dynamite piece of entertainment. It was well put together. Wow. We had Ed Ed Robertson from the Bare Naked Ladies offer some original work to Jeff Teal's and Martin Robbins, the creators of the Reach Around Awards. Can you get better than that? They had a cavalcade of different pinball people that did some voiceover work for it. It was just a blast. I really liked the red carpet skit they did at the start. That was a lot of fun. With Manu and Becca, that was great. The jokes, the writing was superb. Nicely done to the fellows over there. The writing was really, really well done. And I couldn't think of a better, like to me, symbolically, Dennis and listener, It was a here comes the punch Wednesday with this fun, funny, comical approach to kind of take the piss out of the awards process and make fun of ourselves as TPN kind of, but do so in a respectable, fun way. And then, bam, you get the other cut on the following day, Thursday, with the formal ceremonies of the pinball industry awards. I don't know. It's just how much hard work went into both of those and dedication back to the providers and pinball as a celebration and an honor. It was great. I can't wait for this every year. And that wasn't like a highly coordinated plan. Jeff and Martin weren't on the Pinball Awards Governance Committee. They weren't handling the scheduling for any of that. The Reach Arounds was just their separate project that they thought would be fun to do. And I'm glad they did it. It worked out really well. Our team is happy here. And we're appreciative of all the positive feedback. And some of the critical constructive feedback, we're appreciative, too. Yeah, we're planning to make modifications, as we knew we would need to for the following year. And some of the stuff we were able to identify ourselves, and some we were not. So thank you for those that have reached out and given suggestions about from judging to ways that the excellence panel could work to ideas on nomination set up, all that sort of stuff. It's been helpful. It has been a lot of fun. And there were a subset of people, and I speak alone on this, but there were a subset of people that were misinformed and ignorant. And to those assholes, I don't know what's going to make you happy. That's kind of toxic. Sure it is. Sure it is. But eat my shorts. See, that's not toxic. How do you take offense to eat my shorts? Well, I mean, it's not like the rudest phrase that you could come up with, but the spirit is still very negative. Lick my balls? Is that better? The spirit still, you can dare leak to my balls. See, that would have been funnier and it wouldn't have come across with the same tone. Eat my ass. Piss off. Fuck you. I mean, I could have – eat my shorts was better. I do think – and I knew this would be an issue, but I'm surprised at how much of an issue this was. It's just the number of people that seem to have been unable to understand that there were three different processes depending on which award it was. Oh, you're going to keep going, I appreciate it. Okay. Yeah, well, just – I mean, it's just including people that were involved in the process. So it's not just outsiders, but it's like all the stuff that went to the various 2020 games, that was with the 40 judges that self-selected. I mean we reached out to a diverse group of people to invite them or let them know, hey, you can apply for a ballot. And there were a lot that didn't either – they didn't all give reasons. Some of them did and told me that they felt they didn't have enough experience with the games in 2020 because of the pandemic, and I get it. So that was the – those were who selected the games. And then the excellence awards were the TPN panel. yes the t like the tpn panel didn't decide who won best art cabinet and back glass that was the 40 judges which decided everything i think whenever you have me and greg bone sitting up there people like oh this is their awards and they're picking it's like right and then the hall of fame stuff that wasn't the tpn group either there were hundreds of public votes that got what in the hall of fame yeah the listeners they did a good job the listeners and the non-listeners because i'm sure some people don't listen to anything tpn voted in that so it's just i and i we knew going in that that was going to make it more confusing than just having one unified system i'm surprised at how confused i i i'm trying to think of a better way to explain it and maybe there isn't and we're going to do some modifications for next year oh yeah no there will be changes anyway because there are there are a lot of things that came up including like with the excellence committee there were people on that committee that five minutes in we're always like we're already like i wish we had done we changed this and this and this is like we need to follow the written rules of what we've come up with you know transparency and consistency are key but we can keep that stuff in mind for 2021 because i've learned from all sorts of things the worst thing is my my personal opinion worst thing you can ever do is announce a set of rules and then decide in order to fix things that you're going to change them because then you're changing rules on people and that and it looks it looks in the words of among us sus it looks super sus so don't do that Change rules for the future. Always stick by your rules for the present, as best you can at least. And then that way everyone knows that you're operating above board. Yep. If you thought it was decent enough this year, next year, as Ms. Crystal announcer lady said, is going to be a banger. Overall, I was really pleased with how it came out and with just in terms of the number of people we had involved as judges to who they represented. Wow. Some big, big people there. I don't want to talk about it for several months. I need to go into my cocoon. Yes, that we will. And a bunch of the prominent naysayers hopefully understand that it was a very respectful and it was a very objective way to the best of our abilities to celebrate and to showcase all that was pinball in 2020. Maybe they'll jump on board next year. Stern Pinball in the news this week. They have new code. You love your code updates, Dennis. Avengers. Yeah. Yeah, I heard that there's like Thanos in it now. That's a big jump, .98. Woo. That took a big jump there. Maybe they had .97, but it felt like it went from .93 to .98 really quickly. Yeah, you can battle Thanos now. This is an added wizard mode that lights when you spell strange after the whole Battle Royale wizard mode and all the five gym quests. It's like your big battle Thanos wizard mode. But I want to be Thanos. I know. That's what Ray Day has to hear all the time. Poor Ray Day. Thanos attacks is also a new wizard mode. Just wizard modes galore. this lights this whole thanos attacks lights when you spell strange after collecting the soul gem and playing at least two gem quests so that is pretty attainable i can see people getting that because you get that damn soul gem pretty frequently if not every other game so this is something you're going to see very frequently and then you get like super victory laps after the thanos attacks there's a lot of cool stuff in here a lot of cool stuff it's getting really really big Maybe it'll be trending up. Who knows? And it did win, like, best design, layout, best code. That's kind of the one-two combo for a great game, isn't it? It depends on the person, obviously. I think some collectors are more about the spectacle and the lights and such. But for players, I'd say normally layout and rules are what they mostly look at. Absolutely. Absolutely. We also had Joe Kamenkow from Kapow Pinball fame and Data East fame. And where else did he go? Big to Sega. A statement from the Super Awesome Pinball Show. I'm going to read this quote. This is regarding the Harry Potter license that we were discussing last week here at the Pinball Show. Joe Kamikow says, quote, Harry Potter is absolutely, positively, 100% side note, I think he's serious here, 100% not being designed by Brian Eddy. Bet anyone $1,000 or a really good steak dinner on that one. and if I did have Potter and it was, I'm trying to accentuate the all caps, did, was going to be made, I'd design it myself. What does this quote mean to you? That Brian Eddy isn't doing Harry Potter? Okay, yeah. Why make this statement? I don't know. I don't know. I was trying to figure that out. I'm like, what in the world? Why do we make this statement? I almost feel like this is manufactured. I almost feel like that this is like, hey, people are, Harry Potter is catnip for pinheads, so let's just keep bringing it up even though nothing's happening with it. Oh, I see. Do you think that after listening, because you and I didn't get to discuss that last week, Dennis, that with the statements made about the whole Harry Potter during the Roger Sharp really saying, oh, he's going to do a great job with it, Joe will, and blah, blah, blah. Do you think that this intellectual property is at the cusp of being attained or has already been granted? Do you think they're working on it? Nope. No. I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if a pinball company has approached to try and get the license, but no, I don't think it's in the works. Well, it's not Brian Eddy. That's why I think it is something. Which would be an easy 100% known to be true thing if you don't have the license. Yeah, but I don't think you make the statement unless you're kind of in that process. I still don't. Why even make the statement about, well, it's not Brian Eddy? But then saying, yeah, and if I did have Harry Potter, that it's going to be a Kamen Cow design? I mean, let's be frank. His games aren't in the top list. No. Later on, I think, Super Awesome Pinball Show, in a special with Sophia Ryan from American Pinball, they did give an update and said that Kamen Cow, if he did do it, not only was he going to be designing it, but he said he would get some help and it would be through someone ideally like a George Gomez and the collaboration them two did on Batman 66. So now it's making even more sense. You think about Beatles, collaboration with George Gomez, and Kamikow again. I didn't realize Kamikow had design credits on those games. I can't confirm that he has design credits because I don't know who designates that besides Stern. I don't know if they make that a public thing. Isn't it normally a public thing? It's normally listed at IPDB. We always have designers. If you go to like Pinside, sometimes there's a difference between what Pinside recognizes as a designer versus IPDB. I don't know if what IPDB has is just an enthusiast's account until like a Wikipedia until something changes. I don't know. Well, currently IPDB for Batman 66 says that the designer is only Gomez and the same for Beatles. Okay. I just have a hard time believing with Cam and Cal's history that he doesn't have any say to the design of those titles. I'm not saying that I don't think he medals in design at all anymore I think it was different back in the 80s and 90s when he was more heavily vested in just working on pinball but now I think he's more just doing licenses just like back in the day Roger Sharp helped with design I don't think he's involved in any of these designs anymore so on pin side the Beatles the concept credit is given to Kamenkao but the game design is only given to Gomez interesting Okay. All right. And I'm looking up Batman 66 to see what Pinside says, just in case. Because, yeah, you're right. Sometimes they do differ. And again, concept, Kamikau, but game design solely, Gomez. Okay. And I think that's true. I don't think Kamikau does layout. So maybe he should have said, I'd conceptualize it myself. That's not what he said in the quote, though. He said, I'd design it myself. All right. We'll see. We'll see what happens. And he easily knows that he doesn't have to do it because he doesn't have a license. Harry Potter will never have his own pinball machine. Oh, he will. No, I'm standing by that. That was a terrible Voldemort on my part, too. I apologize to all my listeners. You go Snape and go, he will. And also, as another notation, please do not write into the pinballnetwork at gmail.com telling me that Harry Potter will have a can. I know that I'm not 100% right, but I have to say it with conviction. This is entertainment, people. Yes, so that people listen and respect me as an entertainer. And you know what, Dan? It will never happen. If you're going to have a Harry Potter pinball machine, give me my boy Brian Eddy. I'm fine with that. Don't call out my boy Brian. No, no. Kamikawa will never, never allow it. Never. Why? Apparently, even if he doesn't secure the license, he would never allow it. Damn. What's wrong with Brian Eddy? Maybe it's 100% not going to be Brian Eddy because Brian Eddy was a one-off with Stranger Things and he's not actually doing more pinball. Don't scare me like that. I've heard that rumor, though. Don't scare me like that. I've heard that rumor. Zach, have you heard that rumor? I think he should go and take Brian Eddy out because of this quote. Take Brian Eddy out for a $1,000 steak dinner. Who the hell spent $1,000 on a steak dinner? It was an either or. $1,000 or a steak. Well, a really good steak dinner. So maybe it does run $1,000. I'm saying like if you're going to. I imagine Kamikaze tastes run kind of wealthy. Wow. I bet he eats caviar. On his steak? Is that a thing? It doesn't sound like a thing. I guarantee. I'm not rich enough to know any of this. I buy my steaks just like a good old American does. Well, once toppers get to $2,000, you'll have to let me know. Oh, man. Yeah, steak dinner. Good old steak dinner. I'll take the $1,000, please. I'll only get you one topper. I'd rather have a topper instead of pooping out steak. I do like steak, though. Mmm. Mmm. Do you do a steak sauce? I mean, it depends how the steak was prepared. I mean, yeah, if it's a great steak and, like, the chef's in the back like, Like, all right, you bastard, let's see what you do. Most of the time I do not use sauce. If I do, I use A1. I'm a big A1 guy lately. I used to be a, I can't say it right, but Worcestershire? Worcestershire? Oh, Worcestershire. Worcestershire. Yeah, I was raised on that, so that's my steak sauce choice. But, yeah, A1's a good one too. I don't know if Harry Potter happens. I hope so. I hope Back to the Future happens. I hope Craig Bobby's right. I'll never live up to whatever the hype of it would be. Didn't Roger Sharp touch on that on his interview? Yeah, he did. He talked a little bit about Deep Root. I don't know how much, but looking forward to hear Roger in their second part over at Saps do another. I just love listening to the guy. But Deep Root's in the news this week. They sent out to all of those Raza pre-order customers an update. I guess you didn't get that update as a non-buyer. I did not. This is a newsflash update from Deep Root Pinball. Uh-oh. Robert Mueller made a statement at the beginning saying, hey, here's your update. There's some bad news here, and I want to tell you first before he said, you know, plural podcasts. Fuck it up, basically, and tell you non-truths. So we took some notes here. He talked about the orders to these pre-order people that ultimately they sold 70 arcade editions of Raza, 60 extra editions of Raza, totaling 130 units. So I think we were pretty close to our estimates. But they did round up to 160 total units, so an additional 30. And they're going to sell those units, those 30 additional units, starting out at $8,000 for those arcade editions and $13,000 flat for the extra editions. They did not get their ULCE certifications yet. They were able to get the requests in two weeks ago. They're just awaiting the responses. They have good feedback so far, but they've been told it takes five weeks to complete and receive these reports. But nothing can leave that factory until those are complete. So that's a barrier number one. Number two is parts, and this is a big one. Robert Mueller says, quote, we have orders in for about 70% of the bomb, end quote. I don't know what that means exactly, Dennis. Yeah, I'm not sure if that means that they have the 30% already or – If they've just ordered them. Or if they only ordered 70 the other 30 has not been resolved That scary Are they saying the parts are actually in or are they saying we submitted our request to purchase 70 of the parts we going to need Oh I see Yeah Orders in could mean that they actually received the order. Yeah, I don't know on that either. I don't know on a lot of things. They're attributing these delays to long lead times. That is, vendors promising one thing, then changing their mind once they receive the money. They're attributing it to a large number of vendors have passed on the whole lockdown bar design due to the complexity of it. They did say there's two vendors that are willing to reproduce and to manufacture it. But those vendors already have backlog of production on their other manufacturing stuff. So that's going to be a delay. And another reason that there's delay on parts is because the whole lit side panels that were kind of pretty, they had some wear and tear, technical issues, wires were being frayed. so they spent the last 60 plus days working with different vendors to redesign them to make sure they're more durable and to allow for leg protectors or cup holders which in my opinion I would not worry about leg protectors or cup holders because for new games I don't like either one of them are you a cup holder guy? I don't but like on a lot of locations that I've played at when it wasn't a pandemic they all use the cup holders. I'm just not a big fan of the cup holders. Well, that's very popular, so I understand. The leg protectors is dumb because you already have a metal leg protector. Unless that's what they're talking about. I assumed he was talking about the colored ones, the decal wrinkles from the 90s. They were trying to cover that. I don't know. So that's what's taking so long. Production-wise, the first lines are ready to go, and they're going to proceed prepping those parts. Have them ready over the next couple weeks. But they don't have all the parts. Robert made the decision. I'm going to do a quote here. He said, quote, decision not to show production lines or illusory or and deceptive pictures of parts or lines or cabinets for many obvious reasons. I guess the obvious reason is that because they're not there. What's so obvious? Yeah, I just think the obvious reason would be showing the time reminds me of like highway pinball, I think, where there are accusations after the after the fact of, hey, look, here's a picture of a part and thereby implying that we have crates of these ready to go. We have a one-off. Ted, pick up that screwdriver. Yeah, just pretend you're putting that on, that cabinet. Good. Yeah, things like that. Weaving illusion. So he's trying to be transparent here. Good. Regarding additional streams of this content for people, they said we've got all the – I love that they're updating their stream rigs to these customers. We've got all our rigs. We've got our equipment now. But Robert's requesting that no streams occur because they do have project deadlines and they have other projects that some of these people that would be streaming are working on. So that's a thing. Okay. So what are the expectations? Well, he said he should expect to receive parts the beginning of March and the first Raza's rolling off the line and leaving the facility mid-March. Whoa. Why put another timeline on that? Well, people wonder. People have money in now, though. People have money in now. Okay. They've pre-ordered. Would you bet $1,000 or a good steak dinner that none of them are leaving mid-March? Because I don't understand the parts and the 70% stuff, no. I have no context, really. Because if they actually have received 70% of the parts already, I think it's really reasonable that they could meet that deadline. But if they only just put the orders in and they have 0% of the parts or only the 30%, then I would not want to bet that they'd get it done in March. But they did. To be fair, they also said that the first production model was ready for Fliptronic to stream, and that sure as hell was not a production model. Right? Is that fair? I think we thought at the time it was. We were told it was. Communication-wise, the next update from Deep Root will be by the end of February. Still wait and see. This isn't a wait and see. the super awesome pinball show had on Zofia Ryan, who is now employed at American Pinball. Yeah, she was with Williams. I have this downloaded. I've not been able to listen to it yet. I'm hoping to hear it this week. Yeah, not a lot of reports from that interview. There wasn't anything exclusive per se, but it was just a nice recollection of her work with Williams and working with some of the designers and mechanical engineers. Well, she's just started, right? I don't imagine she has a lot to report from American Pinball yet. No, as of the time of the recording, she'd been there three days. Okay, yeah. So, yeah, for three days, I've got to guess, she probably knew as much as you would expect someone with three days' work experience. Now, here's the interesting part, that they kind of brushed over, nobody said anything. Zofia Ryan had worked at American Pinball before. I did not know that. Yeah, during Houdini. I don't know if she was contracted just to come in maybe to help with some of the mechanical pieces with Joe Balcer. I'm not sure. They didn't really dive into it. But, yeah, she had been at American Pinball before. I have this vision. I know it's certainly not right. Please do not write into the pinballnetwork at gmail.com and tell me how not right this is. I just have this vision that it was brought in for J-Pops Houdini. She just walked in, looked at it, said, won't work, walked out. Fuck it, threw the card up. I'm out. No, she just walked in. It was like, as a consultant, just walked in, looked, said, won't work, mechanically won't work, walked out. Oh, God, no. that's my that's my head canon okay let that live on seemed like a very i need this she's like a sweet knowledgeable person i'm i'm interested to see what she's got up her sleeves with regard to the mechanics and the engineering over on their future games so it should be a lot of fun hopefully i'm hoping we get like a like a combination of a popeye and a junkyard together Oh, my God, no. We don't need anything from Popeye back. At least throw Junkyard under the bus, too, if you're going to throw Popeye. What? No Junkyard? All right. The problem with Junkyard is it's way too heavy on the video mode scoring. But otherwise, the layout's okay. It's a pretty cool-ish game. It's like the best of all the games with a toilet on the play field. It's like the best one. I still give the nod to South Park or Austin Powers, which I love. I've never played Austin Powers, so. Did you know that TNA, that game you got in your game room, did not have a toilet on it? It had like a bowl up top where the reactor, I guess. It's got a scoop. Like a bouncing turd, I guess, back and forth between the sleeves. It was for a transition into our another story. Subtle as a chainsaw, you were. Yeah, it really was. Just another pinball podcast with our buddy Joel, invited over Scott Tenisi, the creator of TNA and Rick and Morty, to talk about kind of to take a trip back into TNA design and the genesis of that game. And one would think, what the hell has that got to do with anything right now? Like, TNA, what? Well, not everything has to be the current news. I mean, that's what Silver Ball Chronicles is all about, not the current news. As I listened back, it was probably my favorite podcast episode that he's done. It was really nicely done. And it was the new bar for Joel. Yeah, it was a pleasure listening to Denise be open and candid about some of his design choices and the process and the timeline and how it all worked. But things like he talked about Wizard of Oz from Jersey Jack kind of being an inspiration for TNA's lighting. Maybe not for the best reasons because he totally disagreed with how they utilized RGB. That was kind of one of the first really impactful full RGB games in pinball. He said they just overdid it. They made it too blingy. It didn't make sense to the story they were telling throughout the code and the moments. So he talked about wanting to do that for TNA, but making it so subtle that people wouldn't expect it until they experienced the need for it. And then it overwhelming people. Some of them liked the music. So he said that was an inspiration. And I had not heard him talk about this, listener, but maybe he has. Denise, he talked about the original Denise Locke design pattern there. It was not at all like the straight path that we see today with those three drop targets. No, it was a curved path. Then it had like a curved 180 that the ball would come and sit. Then it would have a kicker that would kick it back into the orbit. Very interesting. I need to see a sketch to understand exactly what this means. It feels early solid-state EM-ish with those little… Yeah, but so does the existing inline drop method because inline drops were all about the early 80s. Sure, but we've seen inline drops in metallic. That wasn't as crazy. I'm talking about the EM, like an Aztec, right, where you kick it up in that little gully, and then it kicks it back out. That's what it felt like to me, and I thought, oh, that's rather interesting. A little Aztec reference there. How about that? Yeah, I'll have to go back and look at the Aztec play field because I have no mental picture of it. Oh, well, you know, one of us has to know what they're talking about here with old pinball machines. Yeah, enjoy it while you can. You just focus on the news. You probably researched that one for hours. You probably had that in your pocket for 10 episodes waiting to use it. It's coming in pinball markets right now. Oh, my God. I did own one for a short period of time. This show is so lame. Oh, man. Scott Danesi also talked about how modern pop bumpers are just a complete waste of mechanics. I totally agree with him. I totally agree as well. And that's one thing. Of all the stuff he's done, I know he gets a lot of people look and go about the light show and the music, and I understand all that. The one thing I've noticed, though, between both Rick and Morty and Total Nuclear Annihilation is Scott is very deliberate in terms of where he's placing pops. Yeah. And in both situations, I think he executed them to near perfection. He made them matter. He makes them matter. Yeah. And I would almost, because of the slings that I'm used to nowadays, them stern slings, pop, pop, pop, there's your out lane. I wouldn't have minded Dennis if he would have put two lower pops on Rick and Morty because they're actually in a lot of ways less brutal than a traditional sling sure but the interesting thing is because of them only doing one you have an asymmetrical difference so the behavior on the left is different than the behavior on the right and there's something to be said for that it hurts my brain because of balance and symmetry visually I'm a big symmetry fan visually but in terms of gameplay experience, you will always have more uniqueness out of asymmetry. Absolutely. So yeah, go listen to that episode, listener, because it was fun. It was a really, really good one. And I wouldn't tell you that if it was just Scott rambling on about the stuff he's already talked about. It was fun. No, this stuff you've mentioned, I haven't heard this episode yet, but this stuff you've mentioned, this is all new to me. I had not heard any of these elements. And Joel did a really good job doing the interview. Maybe he's commented before about the pop bumper thing. I know he mentioned about wanting pop bumpers to be impactful. So I know that. And that's something I've complained about for a long time is especially on, sorry Stern, but especially on a lot of Stern pinball machines, is this desire to stick a cluster of three somewhere where they're not dangerous anymore. No. Like on Stern Star Trek, the pop bumpers are the safest thing in the whole game. It's a controlled feed. Yes. Yeah, exactly. It's a controlled feed. It's safe. And that's not what pop bumpers were meant. Harry Williams would be turning over in his grave. That is not what they were meant to be. And whenever people give Dwight Sullivan shit for his pop roulette, his pop bumper roulette, I'm like, you know what? At least you give a purpose for the pop bumpers there. Like Ghostbusters or Turtles. It depends on, again, that one comes down to the player. Again, more tournament-minded players seem to dislike the roulette because of the, it's the same as mystery awards. They don't like randomness. I know other people that just from a use perspective love that being more than, oh, well, we'll hit pops 30 times and then it'll increase the spinner value by 100 points or something. Yeah, I hate that. What I want, and stop being with the bonus and shit like that. Integrate pops into modes. I don't know how many times I've got to scream that. Why can't we have, instead of hit the flashing lights, if you've got eight modes, coder and designer, why are you making all eight of them hit the flashing lights? Make a pop bumper mode. Yeah, Aztec would do it. Yeah, 10 pops a ramp. 10 pops a ramp, mode's done. At least give me a reason to shoot those pops. I guess all games can't be as integrated as well and depth-wise as The Hobbit. But, you know, whatever. I'm not talking to you about The Hobbit. The Hobbit utilizes pops in their modes. And a kickback. Aces in the hole, baby. Speaking of podcasts, Spooky Pinball Pop... Am I reading this correctly? Hanging it up after 11 years? They were the longest-going podcast in pinball. You know what I always say. It's a rare podcast that can really get past 11 years. That's right. Yes. Yeah, we knew it was going to happen. It's a trend, man. It's science. There's bitterness ensuing after 10. I knew this was coming. Knew it was coming. Congratulations to all that has been done over there with Charlie and Bug and the cast of characters at Spooky Pinball Podcast. I'm going to miss their I'm going to miss their podcast but they're going to be jumping back into YouTube uh oh a little bit different format over on YouTube so we get to see their beautiful faces and their masses so long from the podcast family and welcome as a YouTuber myself welcome to the family over there and we cannot talk about YouTube without talking about the new highly acclaimed pinball show The Pinball Show. The Pinball Show. The Pinball Show. 2.0. Zen Studios with their brand new copied show title, The Pinball Show. We didn't get to talk about it last week, Dennis. Just Joe Fox and I talked about it. I haven't seen it yet. I haven't seen their show yet. You want to save 14 minutes of your life? Oh. Ouch. I'm not being bitter, guys, because they so love your name. It sounds like you're being a little bitter because they happen to take the same name because they clearly didn't listen to this show and that upsets you. No, I'm not being bitter. that i'm being bitter because the offering that they had was just complete shit and garbage and i don't care about virtual pinball but boy they got me to care even less wow big announcements like what what the i don't know what big announcements they had a 3d rendering of a 10 second promo i i don't know what it was it was not pretty someone messaged me something about that they're releasing a new version of the software i guess of the fx series i'll have to I'll have to check for my other podcast. There we show virtual pinball some respect. Sure. I just want to update the listener because we talked about it last week and them taking the name. We did hear back from, I heard back from the chief operating officer out of California. Reached out to me to let you listeners know. Said, hey, I'm getting a lot of feedback from people saying that the pinball show was already taken. Because people were pretty loud on social media. about it and thank you to all of you all that was looking up for us here at the pinball show but reached out and said legal kind of already passed it to my knowledge that it wasn't being used so let me look into it to see what's going on and that was maybe over a week ago and i haven't heard anything since i did ask for an update a couple days ago i said hey any updates any more thoughts and uh nope not yet still still being a casper here got nothing I don't know they already have the neon sign Zach once you have the neon well they could add another neon hang it and make it say Zen and they could put it like a little carrot in between so the Zen pinball show we could do that or the Zen pin show that's cool sounds awfully 12 year oldy the Zen pin show the virtual pinball show that don't have but it's not just about virtual pinball it's about their stuff like specifically it's not about all of virtual pinball yeah because it's about all of pinball in general. I mean, they're not going to cover the pinball arcade on there, are they? Well, are they going to cover all of pinball calling it the pinball show? They're going to cover the part that makes all the money. They're going to cover the part that has nothing to do with pinball. Please don't complain about the remark that video games are better than pinball at the pinball network at gmail.com. Call it the video game pinball show. Something that makes more sense. That's so wordy. You're not helping them. That's too wordy. Okay. All right. Granted, it's not your job to come up with their names. No, it's not. It's my job to come up with gold and other people's job to steal it. I did let him know that we do have a Facebook page with Handle. We do have a trademark in the process, currently in the process with the government, the Board of Trademarks and Patents or whatever. And then I believe we have the URL as well, the pinballshow.com. But, yeah, semantics, right? Try to keep hashtagging the pinball show, bringing people to us. I'm sure it was inadvertent. Sure. Sure. Okay. Sure. I'll tell you plenty of stuff off air that may make you think otherwise. It's hard for me to care. We don't even have a t-shirt to sell. We don't make any money. Because when we do t-shirts, we do it right. So we're still preparing. We've been saying that for a year. We're just slopping together. Almost a year now. 2021, Dennis, we're going to have it. There's no t-shirt. God. There's no t-shirt. Silverball Chronicles has a t-shirt. They have like five. They've got five of them, whatever. Hey, I did spend money on silverbellswag.com. Ding. See? Isn't that nice? I like to show love and support by my fellow media. You didn't say what you bought. Oh, shit. I bought a new hat. Why was the Loser Kid hat not good enough for you? Be very careful with your response. I haven't retired the award-winning Loser Kid hat. It's sitting up there. I got my Pacers hat that I wear, flipping out, hat that says bye-bye-bye. But I wanted another fresh hat. And the logo that Ray Day created was just too scrumptious for me to pass up. So I think that's the first thing I bought from Silver Ball Swag, and I'm going to cherish it. I love that hat. It says Ray Day pinball on it in the rare logo kind of thing. Love it. Just love that thing. So I'm going to sport the hell out of that. And I did get just another pinball shirt. He was kind enough to give me one. I've got all kinds of swag to wear. over the next couple months. Fancy. Well, you do wear a lot of pinball swag. I do. I like it. Only if it's soft. Don't send me that. Yes, that's true. Don't send me that rough shit. I won't wear it. You like the premium tri-blend sort of shirts and stuff. The picky nips. Remember? Yes. I heard your episode with Joe Fox. I should get the domain, pickynips.com. The reviews are in. and the pinball market trends should receive its own excellence award. I could see the pinball market trends getting its own crystal, honestly. For what? There's no category that recognizes it. Maybe the Twippies needs that. Twippies needs a best podcast segment. Do you think it was? Best market trends segment. Do you think that if there was an award for best pinball segment, that pinball market trends would take home a crystal or a twippy? Sadly, it probably would. I can't win pinball! But I wouldn't vote for it. I wouldn't vote for it. Market trends! I wouldn't vote for it. What would you vote for? I don't know. Games we like, games we hate. I kind of miss that one. I do too. I like that one too. I kind of miss that one. Or would you buy that from Slamto? They'd still do that one. That's a good one. To be fair, Bruce and Ron, I don't actually ever look up the games because I'm listening in my car, and that would cause wrecks. Yes. So I don't actually type them in. In fact, I'm going to guess no one types them in. There's some good segments out there, but none as beautiful and succulent as Pinball! Can I continue now? It's your fucking segment. Do what you want. Oh, Market Trends! oh wow kind of whiny about it turning up this week is zen studios creates pinball market what god don't bring this back up come on zen also turning up this week is the pinball machine hall of fame recipients hey you always tell me that i need to back up my stuff with data numbers don't lie here and i can tell you this the people have voted dennis and the people have selected the following games as the pinball machine hall of fame class of 2020 recipients meteor trending up grand prix trending up eight ball deluxe trending up medieval madness the lord of the rings and the wizard of oz i have had real em fans right in going why did grand prix win oh please do not write into the pinball network at gmail.com if you are a non-real em fan defending why you picked grand prix i gotta talk to people about ems all i've been able to say is i am in no way surprised grand prix got in as the em hey listener you want to know a little secret every em is the same oh you can write in and object to that that's gonna make oh sorry it's a lie sometimes the pop bumpers with 100 versus 50 the layouts are different let me introduce you to my left hand ted zale and my right steve kordak teach a lesson no i'm just manners i i i'm being i'm being silly there also training up liar well it's turning up this week is wow jersey jack pimble taking home a lot for gnr so we're gonna trend up gnr We are going to trim that right on up. Do you have your game yet? Your GNR? Oh, thank you. Yeah, I just got... I wasn't supposed to be getting my collector's edition yet. We got half of our... A little over half. About half of our allotment of CEs. And I was going to wait until the end to get mine because that's what decent people do. Well, and you did advocate on this show that all the CE people should be dead last. Do you remember that? You didn't want me to bring back up the Zing thing. And here you are bringing that up. That was the episode with Bruce. Do you remember it? I remember that. Ceiling measuring contest episode. Trending down. Zach's comments on the order of game preference. A little warm in here. But I received them all, and I was going to have to drop ship most of them. Had a couple into the dock, our dock, and I had to ship those back out. But one of them, which was fortunate for me, but scared the hell out of me, the palette was decimated. Oh, wow. It came, listener, it came like part of the box was on the ground because the wood from the pallet was gone. And there was a couple big holes in the box. And I was like, oh, no, no. But I looked it over as best as I could without opening it. And it looked okay. But there was just no way I could send that back out. So I was like, well, I guess I'm going to have to just keep this one for myself. Isn't that nice? A hard life indeed. I was yeah it was the first time that I Seen something so battered That I was happy I was like Oh sweet Because I don't have a band you have to band it back to a New palette you have to re-box I don't have A box it was a whole thing but I did Receive it opened it up bam out of The box it's a beaut Clark The thing it really Is breathtaking There's not many pinball machines that do that but Wow what a Game it worked perfectly out of the box Maybe some tweaks here and there like I had to do on my original and most other pinball machines I unbox. Metal guides, et cetera. But truly, truly a special, remarkable machine. I'm not Win Schilling because I can't sell any CEs. It's really special. Really, really special. The light show, Dennis, on that topper and behind the game and below the game, you couple that with the whole jukebox thing. Have you heard about the jukebox? I have. Yeah, you just press a couple buttons and you can play the jukebox. But what I didn realize listener is that when you play those songs on the CE it gives you video on the 27 screen And it also gives you the light shows for said song that you play So it more than just a it is a true full interactive jukebox And the glitter, you can't film that glitter. You can't take a picture of that glitter because it's stagnant. Glitter does not show up on cameras. They're incapable of capturing glitter because of science. On still photos, it is. No, you're wrong. You just don't know how to shoot it right. No. Maybe it's the mirrorless camera thing. I dare not go back into that because I'm already really worried that all the professional and amateur photographers that listen to this show are going to be mad. Oh, man, it's so, so good. I can't think of anything that I would like to see differently on the collectors. Maybe the Radcals are really tricky to apply on a cabinet. And maybe instead of having the Radcal butt up against the metal trim on top. Do you know what I'm talking about, Dennis? Not really, no. Maybe have that under that metal trim, which is tricky, I get. So, yeah, it's a beautiful game. Now, I did also get another machine. I was rewarding myself for being done with all this frickin' industry awards work. I got my Wonka as well. I didn't remember you didn't have Wonka. I had an LE. It pissed me off one night, and I sold it because it made me so angry. Well, at least you don't make rash snap decisions. Well, it was one that I was doing the whole rocking thing on when I was angry playing it. where I would rock it on its two legs back and forth in an angry fashion. So I got rid of it. I don't know what that has to do with anything. Well, sorry to the buyer that bought that months back. Oh, did you break it? No. Well, then who cares? I can withstand that stuff, but it wasn't pretty. So no, I wanted another one, so I thought, well, getting GNR CE, want to match it with the Wonka CE. Now, I can report that fucking thing didn't work out of the box. So, no, like one of the Vuck kickouts just keeps on firing, and I sighed really big, and I turned it off. And I haven't touched it since. Well, you have been busy. I haven't unboxed my Led Zeppelin either. I need to do that. I wonder if it's working or if you only rewarded yourself with broken things. Yeah, no shit. So one was good, one was bad, one is unknown. Turning down this week is Hot Wheels. Oh, Hot Wheels. Poor Jordan at Fliptronic right now is turning off the radio. Sons of bitches. Hot Wheels. Boy, talk about a no-show at the pinball industry awards. It tied for fourth in several categories. Keep telling yourself that. No, it did. I mean, I put the analytics up. It did. Man, what happened to Hot Wheels? And there are a lot for sale on the secondary market, too, right now. It's a hard thing to see because it's a fun pin. It's cool. They continue. You know how Coogler and them are. they're going to continue to improve the code. You know, I think the issue for poor Hot Wheels was just that as strong as 2020 was, I mean, there's just a lot of competition. There were a lot of really good games. Sure, sure. It makes it hard for anyone to stand out. I believe I'm correct. You have not played Hot Wheels yet, correct? I have not, no. Okay. And you have not played Led Zeppelin, correct? No, I've barely even seen Led Zeppelin. Okay. This or that. You get one shot not playing either one of them. you get one of them for your game room. Hot Wheels or Led Zeppelin? Hot Wheels. I'd go Led Zeppelin. Having played both, I'd go Led Zeppelin. Yeah, Led Zeppelin just, again, because I have Star Trek, it just looks too much like a Steve Ritchie I already have. Hot Wheels looks different than anything I've got. Your favorite designer is Steve Ritchie, so that makes zero sense. Well, I have multiple Steve Ritchie games, though. I mean, how many do you need? I only have so much room. I can't be sitting there going, well, gosh, I need a Wonka CE to do my subtle flex next to my GNR CE. I wasn't emphasizing the CE status of them. No, you brought it up, so it's kind of an emphasis. I don't know. When you go to my favorite pinball designer, they're so different and complex that I could probably have all the titles and be happy. Do you own all of the games of any single designer? You might. Do you have a Pirates? Do you have all the Meniers? No, I don't. I don't. Do you have all the Deniseys? I don't. I don't have. I just have Rick and Morty now. Well, then I guess you're all talking. You don't do it. I've got two Papa Dukes. Yeah, but he has like five. And then the Zizzles. I've got two L1s, one L1. Okay, you made a good point. I don't have a favorite. The Eddies? All the Eddies? I thought Brian Eddy was your favorite. I do like Brian Eddy. But in his first two games, I've got two Eddies. you need all three I've got the best of the four you need the fourth that's right the fourth I've got the best of the four Stranger Things and Shadow his two highest ranked ones of his whole set are Medieval Madness and Attack from Mars I'm sorry I fell asleep there you talking about those games deals of the week this week bye bye bye there aren't any deals we're done we're done oh speaking of EMs we got a nice Aztec on pin side right now I can't remember if I've ever played Aztec. I am looking at it now. It's cool. It's got that left spinner. We like spinners and EMs. It's got that brutal bank up right in the middle. It popped in the face. And then it's got that little right pathway. I like that little pathway. I don't. It takes up a lot of space for one shot. What the hell else is going to be there? More stand-up targets? We could have an Orbit over there. Make a fan layout. Make a Grand Prix. Well, fan layout without ramps. Yeah, or make it just like every other EM. I think the one-side spinner is a good idea. I don't think we need spinners everywhere. Oh, on EMs you're going to have something. But, no, this is on Pennside under. Carlo 45 is selling this outside of Bridgewater, New Jersey. And, overall, looks in decent player's condition. They do say that the back glass is perfect, which is damn hard to find. Brightly colored playfield plastic has been in the home for 20 years. They just rebuilt the chime unit, which is a big plus. Playfield has been cleaned, waxed. Stepper units have been cleaned and adjusted. If I'm buying an EM listener, that is the single most important thing that I want to hear, that these stepper units have been cleaned and adjusted. So it comes with schematics. $800. Buy, buy, buy! Any more. Okay. That's solid. That is really solid. I like that it's a four-player game. I know a lot of people, because of the complexity and carryover, favor single-player EMS, but I think that EMS are more enjoyable in a multiplayer environment. I'd like them to at least be a two-player. I can see that. I can definitely see that. No wedge heads for you, okay. No, I mean, if I had the space, I'd definitely consider wedge heads, but it's just, I think, having had so many games and had single-player EMs, it wasn't as fun with groups of people than being able to all play at the same time. Because the balls go so quick on EMs that you're really rotating players constantly. In fact, I'd almost say they're a better multiplayer experience than most modern games for that reason. You get one good player on a modern game, it's going to be like five or ten minutes on a ball. Even great players tend not to last long on an EM. I see where the idea of your argument is coming from. I'd have a hard time saying that because some of the early solid states do just as good a job, if not better. No, that's a fair point. That's why I said modern. Okay. Yeah, modern, modern. Rather than EM versus solid state because, yeah, when you go into like the 80s, they're just as brutal. Yeah, some of the Stern Electronics or some of the early Ballys and stuff. You know what I get? Why do I want Dolly? I still want that game. Listener, buy me a good Dolly out there. Beautiful, beautiful Dolly. Probably so you can change the back glass and rename it to Escalera, you shill. Oh, I would never change Dolly. You get Dolly, Escalera. I see what you did, but it wasn't funny because you talking down against Dolly Parton. Wow. Someone has probably just now smacked their car into a Jersey Barricade because they were laughing so hard at that joke. Well, for many of you that bought the Escalera, there is an attachment called the Big Wheels Attachment. It's got two huge, beautiful, bulbous wheels on there that kind of reminds me of those bulbous wheels of Dolly. You see what I did there. Buy, buy, buy! Here's another deal of the week. This is fun, like a juxtaposition here. deal of the week you can spend eight hundred dollars on that aztec or another deal spending eight hundred dollars on a topper right and it's still a deal of the week jurassic park pinball topper right around here in evansville indiana my buddy over there flawless js eight hundred dollars for a jurassic park pinball topper buy buy buy it's a good deal buy buy buy uh it's a good deal Buy, buy, buy! I like it. You can try and convince yourself. You're not going to find that in stock anywhere. If you want it, you see what the topper prices are doing. I'd pull the trigger on that one real quick. Isn't that wild? Aztec for $800 or JP Topper for $800, and they're both deals. What is this world coming to? Speaking of what is this world coming to, oh boy, let's tiptoe into deals of the... The. Deals of the what the fuck this week. About fell out of my fully adjustable chair here. I went and I looked in Kansas City. This is your neck of the woods. I demand 3721. Ring a bell at all? No, not to me. I don't know a lot of the handles on the floor. I demand 3721 has got a steamer. All right. Star Wars comic art pro. Still new in the box. Buy, buy, buy. No sales tax? What if you're buying it out of Missouri? Be careful there. Most sales tax would only apply if they're a dealer or distributor, a business of some sort. Hmm. Private person transactions aren't subject to sales tax. No, fine, you're right. Damn it. But this price is wrong. Brand new Star Wars comic art pro. Pro, people, pro. $74.50. Sell, sell, sell. Whoa. That's the price of a premium. Oh, and he's firm. It's such low-hanging fruit going onto eBay and finding this silly shit, but to find it on Pennside amongst us enthusiasts is laughable. Wow. I think I seen this one last week, and the forum was open on it, and then they closed the forum on it. Oh, be nice to me. I'm trying to pull one over on somebody. Oh, another deal. Who is this guy in Bensonville, Illinois? POTUS. I like the avatar, but it goes by the name of POTUS. Got a bad deal here for those of you who want to lose money. It's a Pirates of the Caribbean LE. Home use only. A couple hundred plays. Zero problems. 100% mint condition Wait a minute Dennis With a couple hundred plays on a game Do you think even from the factory brand new It could be 100% mint condition I guess it depends on what we define as mint So my thought would be But in fairness to your question, no I mean you'd have some level of dimpling or something I'm already questioning this person Already questioning them and they say, cash only, no trades. Uh-oh. Now they're getting a little bit bossy here. They also have... That's not bossy. Come on. Well, it's serving... No trades is completely reasonable. It's serving this entertainment narrative, thank you. And, boy, oh, boy. Sorry. I'm sorry for disrupting you. I'm cutting in a lot. Joe Fox would never do this to you. He did as well. Plenty of sales pending, so it's not like they don't know how to sell pinball machines. they do, but not for $20,000? Sell, sell, sell. Come on. The ship has sailed on Pirates LEs being anything remotely over $15,000? $14,000? $20,000? $20,000? Get the fuck out of here. No. Guess what, people? They'll probably do another run of them at some point. No, they're not. They're never. I used to think so, but now I don't. I've changed my mind. You didn't hear it here. $20,000. Bensonville. Wait a minute. Hold up. I might have to edit all this out because Bensonville is the original place of the JJP Design Factory. Buy, buy, buy! This is one of the creators trying to sell theirs for $20,000. Sorry, design team, if I'm throwing one of y'all under the bus here. And that was your deals of the what the fuck? Your deals of the week? You're trending up, you're trending down, and damn it. your pinball market trends. Trademark? Question mark? Sons of bitches can't steal the domain there. Oh, wouldn't it be funny if Zen renamed their show to Pinball Market Trends? No. They did. Son. That'd be funny. I'd laugh. I got the domain, though. Freaking trolls out there. I bought, bought, bought that son of a bitch. Well, that episode was nice, warm, fuzzy, and fun, Dennis. I got a lot of things I can take away from it. Like your love for mirrorless cameras. But it was done for the lols. Your love for EM machines. EMs are fun. Your desire for a reach around. Your love for code updates. the cam and cow statement and Harry Potter and your hatred for that title on a future pinball machine. Your overall rule of thumb in business that says, if you got the neon, you got the rights. I was going to say, you don't want to go about changing stuff after you've already ordered the neon. I know about the pains of custom neon. You think you're snarky about us not having church yet, but guess what logo we're using for pinball? The pinball show shirts. that's so sad hopefully they trademark it it's the pettiness like this that keeps you controversial in this hobby and i do it for fun but people think i'm like for real serious and i'm yep i'm like 50 you need to learn you need to learn that people are going to take it look people thought the reach arounds were serious that's true that's true i saw someone say they thought it was a bunch of uh of back padding tpn stuff and it was like uh it was a joke it was joke and it didn't just involve tpn stuff if you listen to it oh yeah it's like okay a lot of times the community is not great about sarcasm you just have to let that stuff go or else you'll drive yourself mad with it so oh not me not me i think that t-shirt would be fun though oh it's so inappropriate i do don't do it so fun i'll have to exercise my veto authority email the pinball network at gmail.com if you want no don't email us as i've been asking this My theme this week is don't email us. I was thinking about a t-shirt designed for the Great Gatsby, and I thought about you holding your hands up to your cheeks like the Home Alone thing. Great Gatsby. I think people will do that. Maybe, but I don't like to have my face on stuff like that. Really? Okay. You know what? I do think. I think we need to take a break. Are you breaking up with me? I don't know. It's you, not me? No, it's you. Are you pulling a spooky pinball podcast on me? You can't make it 11 years. This is how it is. It's the rule of thumb. Yeah. Honestly, I approached Dennis a couple months ago. Yeah, back in December, I think. I knew the toll that this Pinball Industry Awards and just frankly, the Pinball Network and the creation of that and the maintenance of that over the last year would take on me. and I requested from him personally a break and whether or not you wanted to take a break or if you wanted to continue on every other week or not, but you thought it would be best to take a break as well. So we're going to be closing down the shop for a month or so? Yep. The month of February. Correct. Closing down. It's not closing down the TPN feeds. There'll be other TPN podcasts, But the pinball show will not be planning to air any episodes in February. One of my friends was over the other night picking up a machine, and they said, I mean, you've got to be careful because of burnout and all of that. And I left. Yeah, no, burnout is real. No, but that's not the funny part. I looked at him and I said, Jeremy, I fucking burned out three years ago. The burnout, that's cute. No, I do this as part of my life. So I'd be lying to listeners and to people I care about if I said that I'm not always burnt out. But that's just the dedication and the desire I have to contribute to pinball and have fun. So I think it's a misconception that once you're burnt out, you're like dead. No, you can be burnt out and still have fun. It's a fluctuation of things. I want to be honest with you guys. Sure, I'm burnt out, but anytime you work hard and you're passionate about something, you can get burnt out, but it doesn't mean you're done. But I just, yeah, I don't want to edit for a month anything. I don't want to look at this GD computer for a month. Yeah. No, I understand. So, yeah, I'll be happy to take it off. I'm going to focus on some flipping out stuff a little bit. I don't think I'll be doing much, if anything, straight on a middle-wise either. So, whew, get to hang and see what the world has to offer. Maybe I'll dabble into Magic the Gathering. Yeah, I'm sure that's a top priority for you. I don't know how to play it, but it seems like it could be fun. Pokemon? Maybe Pokemon? Are you the person who told me they don't also know how to play chess? I don't. Maybe I'll learn how to play chess this month. It would probably be easier, quite frankly. Think you could do Skype-cess with me? Teach me chess? No, I'm busy. I'm going to pick up three new podcasts while you're gone. You'll be my king. I'm not. Don't write it into the pinball network at gmail.com asking where are Dennis' other podcasts. There aren't. I lied. At least we have a name and a title of this episode. So thank you all for listening for the past year. And if you're wanting to hear Dennis, you still can every other week over at the Eclectic Gamers Podcast. How can they get a hold of you over there, Dennis? Yeah, you can write in over there, eclecticgamerspodcast.gmail.com, or you can always contact us at facebook.com slash eclecticgamerspodcast. Yeah, I will be continuing those episodes. We're not taking a hiatus. You guys had a really fun John Hughes top pinball list over there. Not everyone liked that episode. Well, a lot of people are wrong, but that was really fun. No, no, most of the feedback was positive, but not everyone. Your choices were a B+, if I have to rate it, but you went non-writing pieces by John. Come on. Well, I mean, come on. Especially if you want to talk about every single thing. I mean, he had so many writing credits. That would have taken forever. Yeah, but just offering... Director-wise, we were able to give every single film its apt attention. And too much so, because when you stuck to that, you lost things like Home Alone, and you gained things like 16 Candles that you had to talk ad nauseum about. That's fine. No, we didn't talk all that much on that. She's having a baby or whatever the fuck that movie was. Yeah, it got like two minutes, so don't exaggerate. Two minutes more than it should. It's a perfectly reasonable limiting factor. but ultimately you liked planes, trains and automobiles more than you should Uncle Buck was okay, I'm with you there was it the Breakfast Club was the other one? Well Tony's pick was to do Ferris Bueller. That's solid, I think Tony was right I think that's what most of the people would agree with as well. I ended up saying I thought Uncle Buck was a better choice as a pinball theme than Ferris even though Ferris is a better movie The only one that would sell anything is Ferris Breakfast Club could sell too though I don't think it's good for pinball that would be a tough sell but Ferris Bueller I think would do fairly well actually so go check out EGP and all the happenings over there always fun to listen to them if you want to watch some video content go to straight down the middle a video series, Greg Bone and I we've got a Turtles review that we still need to pull out of our review out of the can I like Turtles I like turtles. And if you're ready to buy a brand new pinball machine, I'm the guy that can help you out. Nicole and I with Flip N Out Pinball would love to earn your business and support. And the machine showcase this week is an Avengers LE. Those are all sweet. What? Oh, we just had one come in on trade. Buy, buy, buy! An Avengers LE. So buy, buy, buy as quickly as you can because that will be gone, gone, gone. We also have Stranger Things Pros, premiums in stock. Led Zeppelin Pros. Premiums are coming in. I think the February's are spoken for. March is for April. Get your pre-order for that. Avengers Premium is coming in February. We still have spots open. Batman 66 Premium. How? I still have one. Don't know, but it's there. Teenage Mutant Ninja Toilets Premium is in stock. Pros are coming. Alien pre-orders. Hot Wheels in stock. Willy Wonka CEs. They're getting low over there at Jersey Jack. And when they're gone, they are legit gone. And we just pulled in more banners. if you guys need some banners from Stern. Stranger Things side art just now in stock. A lot of cool, fun stuff. Maybe you need to, next time the Flip N Out Pinball channel is doing a stream, maybe you need to do another banner giveaway. Oh, maybe we do. You know what? Next time we come back here will be episode 50. Maybe we give away a Led Zeppelin banner. We've got a whole month to think about how to do that. Yes, sir. We'll just have to wait and think. Last week at TPN, we had a plentiful lineup. Oh, yes. The reach-arounds, of course, we've touched on several times with Final Round was on last week. Dwight Sullivan, he was featured on Silver Ball Chronicles. Oh, yes. His body of work. I think it led up to the Stern years in Creating Complexity is the title of that. Episode 11, go listen to that. And you mentioned Scott Danesi over with Joel in Just Another Pinball Podcast. Pew! Beep! Oh, damn, your beep was better there. I don't know what's coming up this week, and quite frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a fuck. Isn't that how that quote went? Perfect quote. For Dennis Creasel, I am tired. And always remember, don't stare into the spinning background of doom. Did you see my dead pixel? Oh, I gotta get that fixed. Even my wife was like, okay, Zach Lincoln, just get another lens. I did not, but I saw someone in chat point out your dead pixel. And I was like, oh, wow. Lenses are expensive, people. You should have gotten me a realist. And always practice safe pinball and crystal up. So long, everybody. Crystal up reminded me of crystal meth for some reason. Your favorite drug, I'm sure. No, not a big crystal meth guy. I'm trying to think. Do I have a drug? Caffeine, I guess. And winning groups too. I hope you have found a friend. Closing time. Every new beginning comes from some other beginning's end. Yeah. I know who I want to take me home.