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Episode 127 – A Few Hours in Chicago

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Apr 24, 2019
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TL;DR

Slam Tilt hosts review new releases and troubleshoot machine repairs.

Summary

Ron and Bruce discuss two recently released pinball machines: Black Knight: Sword of Rage (Stern) and Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (Jersey Jack). They analyze gameplay mechanics, artwork, and design philosophy, then pivot to extensive discussion of equipment repairs and modifications, including issues with Batman 66's lock mechanism, LED modifications on Lethal Weapon 3, and problems with Whodunit's colored DMD power draw.

Key Claims

  • Black Knight: Sword of Rage's upper playfield has one flipper, a loop, and a lock (essentially the simplest upper playfield design compared to predecessors)

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce analyzing streamed gameplay from Black Knight: Sword of Rage reveal at Midwest Gaming Classic

  • Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory is 40-50% coded but will ship beginning of summer, not two weeks after reveal

    high confidence · Ron citing Jack Guarnieri's (implied) statement on stream about release timeline discrepancy

  • Jersey Jack Pinball is now using the same three-tier pricing model as Stern (Standard/Pro equivalent, Premium, Collector's Edition/LE equivalent) with different naming conventions

    high confidence · Ron comparing Willy Wonka editions (Standard/Premium/Collector's Edition) to Stern's Pro/Premium/LE structure

  • Batman 66 shipped with a defective lock mechanism where the post that controls ball movement during turntable rotation fails 40-60% of the time in gameplay despite testing at 95% in test mode

    high confidence · Bruce describing his personal Batman 66 unit purchased through IFPA and communication with Stern's Chad (last name not provided) about node board replacement

  • Willy Wonka's artwork uses the same Gene Wilder photograph repeatedly across different art packages, suggesting tight licensor control

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce analyzing Willy Wonka stream footage from Buffalo Pinball

  • Dialed In's gameplay was negatively impacted by the addition of clipper ramps (clippies) that were not part of original playfield hole sizing, preventing proper shot execution

    medium confidence · Ron explaining why he changed opinion on Dialed In after release: 'they didn't make it proper. They should have opened up the fucking holes, then put clippies in them'

  • Stern's new warranty sticker warns against non-authorized modifications, but is constrained by the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act of 1975 which requires manufacturers prove aftermarket parts caused damage before denying warranty

    high confidence · Bruce explaining FTC warranty law and its applicability to consumer products including pinball machines

Notable Quotes

  • “The artwork is incredible. Artwork, home run. Gameplay, I still got to watch it.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ early — Sets cautious optimism tone for Black Knight: Sword of Rage review

  • “It's probably the most metal game I've ever heard. It just goes through rift after rift after rift, and it changes in certain things.”

    Ron Hallett @ mid-early — Characterizes Black Knight: Sword of Rage's music as heavily metal-influenced

  • “I just wish it was more to the upper play field. [...] It would have been a little different.”

    Ron Hallett @ early-mid — Expresses design criticism that upper playfield is underwhelming compared to predecessors

  • “They literally are using the same model now. They're just calling it different stuff.”

    Ron Hallett @ mid — Summarizes how Jersey Jack adopted Stern's tiered pricing and product structure

  • “You could have had a bulletproofed, non-breaking Star Wars. Instead, you selected Batman 66.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ mid — Humorously blames listeners' voting choice for selecting a game with out-of-box defects

  • “So this morning I got to the bar around 10.30. I took a lot of pictures beforehand. [...] If you don't have a mechanical engineering degree, most people will not be able to do this.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ mid-late — Emphasizes difficulty of node board replacement in Batman 66 without specialized knowledge

  • “They're basically saying don't put mods in your machines unless you have Stern mod.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ late-mid — Interprets Stern's warranty sticker as prohibiting aftermarket modifications

  • “Every designer, every company from now on should make the hole an eighth inch bigger. And then put cliffies on them from the factory so it's the original hole opening that they wanted.”

    Ron Hallett — Proposes design solution for Dialed In's clipper ramp problem affecting shot difficulty

Entities

Ron HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonStern PinballcompanyJersey Jack PinballcompanyBlack Knight: Sword of RagegameWilly Wonka and the Chocolate FactorygameBatman 66gameDialed Ingame

Signals

  • ?

    product_launch: Black Knight: Sword of Rage and Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory both recently streamed publicly at Midwest Gaming Classic

    high · Both games were streamed by Deadflip (Black Knight) and Buffalo Pinball (Willy Wonka) at Midwest Gaming Classic; Black Knight also shown on previous stream

  • ?

    product_launch: Willy Wonka stated as 40-50% coded but shipping beginning of summer, contradicting earlier claim of two-week post-announcement release

    high · Ron notes: 'it explicitly said... once you see it, it's going to be out in two weeks' but stream showed 'beginning of summer' timeline; 'no one's really brought that up'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Jersey Jack Pinball adopted Stern's three-tier pricing structure (Pro/Standard, Premium, LE/Collector's Edition) with different terminology

    high · Ron: 'They literally are using the same model now. They're just calling it different stuff... Stern has the Pro, the Premium, and the LE... now you have the Waka... Standard edition... Premium equivalent... Collector's edition'

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Willy Wonka's artwork severely constrained by licensor requirements; same Gene Wilder photograph reused across multiple art packages

    high · Ron: 'it screamed licensor to me... it screamed like you have these assets this is the picture of gene wilder you must use... they were told what they could use and they just plopped them in'

  • ?

    product_concern: Batman 66 shipped with defective turntable lock mechanism; post fails 40-60% in gameplay despite 95% test mode success

Transcript

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0:00
I believe in you. I believe in you, and I trust you. Come over here and I'll prove it. Okay, you stand here. Butthead, stand here. Now I'm going to show you something. I trust you.
0:20
Whoa. I think we were supposed to catch him, butthead. Oh, yeah. Come on. Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, This is the Slam-Filled Podcast, a show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. In a world of pure imagination.
0:59
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Any new games come out lately? Ah, maybe one or two. Mm. This is episode 127. Ah. It's Easter. Happy Easter, everyone. Ah, so we're heathens, because we're, like, doing stuff or something. Hey, hey. Okay, well yes We'll cut that out So after that inappropriate comment that I cut out Yeah Bruce is still laughing for it We've had some games come out lately, Bruce Yes, we have We had Black Knight Sword of Rage Which Timmy wouldn't tell us when it was going to be streamed Or if it was going to be at Midwest Gaming Classic But of course both things happened Yes, they did So what are your impressions, Bruce? A Black Knight's Sword of Rage. The artwork is incredible.
1:54
Artwork, home run. Gameplay, I still got to watch it. It is very multi-ball heavy, I saw that. Other than that, I have to get my hands on one. I'm not going to be like every other pinsider, and complain and yell and scream about a game. But what I see, I like. You, Mr. Ron? Well, I thought in, like, when the stream started, it was on Deadflip's stream on, I can't remember what day it was. I've been working, like, seven days a week. I've been doing a Bruce. Yeah. And it was like, Tim's going through all the rules, and all the comments are like, just play the game, just play the game, just play the game, just play the game. People suck. Yes, they do. They really do. Yes, the artwork is awesome. The music is more metal than Iron Maiden. Yeah, definitely. It's probably the most metal game I've ever heard. Oh, yeah, definitely, because it just goes through rift after rift after rift, and it changes in certain things. Cool animations.

  • Whodunit is the only pinball game known to potentially blow colored DMD power fuses due to high motor draw and LM339 chip limitations

    medium confidence · Bruce referencing notes found in Whodunit regarding colored DMD power issues and planning motor/chip replacement

    • @ mid
    Lethal Weapon 3
    game
    Whodunitgame
    Midwest Gaming Classicevent
    Buffalo Pinballorganization
    Deadfliporganization
    Chadperson
    Jack Guarnieriperson
    Keith Johnsonperson
    Gene Wilderperson
    Steve Ritchieperson
    Pat Lawlerperson
    Allentownevent

    high · Bruce's unit: 'lock does not work... the post doesn't go up and down all the time... in test mode, it goes about 95% of the time, but in gameplay it's like 50 to 60 percent'

  • ?

    product_concern: Batman 66 node board replacement requires advanced technical skill; deeply buried in turntable assembly; Stern provides minimal guidance

    high · Bruce: 'If you don't have a mechanical engineering degree, most people will not be able to do this... all they send you is just a node board... no manual for dip switch positions on node board'

  • ?

    regulatory_signal: Stern's warranty sticker warning against aftermarket mods constrained by Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act (1975); manufacturers must prove aftermarket parts caused damage

    high · Bruce: 'Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act... states a dealer must prove that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before it can deny any warranty coverage... enacted in 75, and it's on consumer products, so it's everything'

  • ?

    design_innovation: Black Knight: Sword of Rage features significantly simplified upper playfield compared to Black Knight (1981) and Black Knight 2000 (1989)

    high · Ron comparing generations: BK original had 'two flippers... three banks of drop targets... pop bumper... loop shot'; BK2K had 'one flipper... repeatable loop shot... motorized three bank'; BKSR has 'one flipper, a loop, and a lock... Unless I'm missing something'

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Willy Wonka's game flow praised as smooth and butter-like but music criticized as annoying whimsy; code call-outs deemed insufficient at 40% completion

    high · Ron: 'it shoots like a dream... It's butter... annoyed me within five minutes... wasn't enough call-outs from the movie... code is like 40%... they only said it was coded like 40%'

  • ?

    product_concern: Dialed In playfield hole sizing incompatible with added clipper ramps; forced clippies reduce shot difficulty and break original design intent

    high · Ron: 'they went the wrong way with that game... They didn't make it properly... They should have opened up the fucking holes, then put clippies in them... Every game I played originally had no clippies... they made the clippies, and what happened? Holy fuck nuts. it does not play right'

  • ?

    product_concern: Whodunit is the only pinball game known to potentially blow colored DMD power fuses due to stepper motor draw and LM339 chip limitations

    medium · Bruce: 'there's a couple notes stating that whodunits are the only game that can actually blow, possibly, the color DMD power... motors could be starting to draw too much power... LM339 chips on the driver boards'

  • ?

    technology_signal: LED OCD GI board mod for Lethal Weapon 3 causes repeated fuse blows despite correct placement and no incandescent bulbs; root cause unclear

    medium · Bruce: 'I took the abort out' after LED mod 'died... blew the fuse again... in the only place it could possibly go... supposedly works with Lethal Weapon 3... I have no incandescence in the game as far as I know'

    • 2:55
    What did you think of the upper play field? Because at first they streamed the Pro. Yeah. Which had two spinners on the left side. Did you see that? Yes. Like, wow. Is there like three spinners on the Pro? I think there is. Yeah, I think there is. When's the last time they had three spinners on a game? Iron Man? Yeah, probably. Yeah. So already it gets my attention with that many spinners. Of course. Then they had the stream of the L.E. So you got to see the upper play field. Yeah. And what did you think of the upper play field? Eh. Yeah. I kind of had the same thing.
    3:31
    Honestly, I'm changing my idea of, like, oh, you've got to get a premier in L.E. Now I'm going, maybe I just need a pro. So, yeah, I mean, I thought of it this way. The original Black Knight, the upper play field had two flippers. Yes. Two three banks of drop targets. Yes. Pop bumper. Yes. And a loop shot to the lock shot. Yes. So, very cool. Then in Black Knight 2000, we have one flipper. We have three lanes, three pop bumpers, repeatable loop shot, a motorized three bank that goes down, exposes a ramp to the lock area. Ton of shit. Yep. Now on this one, we have one flipper, a loop, and a lock. Yep. And that's it. Yeah. Unless I'm missing something. No, you're not. No, no, no, no, no. And I think Timmy would agree. I just like. Yeah, I'm kind of thinking, boy, yeah.
    4:29
    But as I said, I want to play them both. Yeah. Maybe, you know, something a little different. But it was kind of not a letdown, but it's kind of like, oh, you know, maybe they could have done a little bit more.
    4:42
    What I would have liked to seen more is like, you know how they play field the upper play fields angle a little bit. So the ball will always travel to the right hand side. It would be cool if it was like left and right. And then it could have drained either on the left hand side or the right hand side.
    4:54
    Are you saying the upper play field is not level? Well, you know what I mean? But like, you know, cut the way it is like like the Black Knight. It always biases towards the right. Your bias term again. Yes. It biases towards the right. Yes. I wish it was more like an upper play field, like it was half the play field, and then the other half was the lower, and maybe that hit and stuff. Almost like Black Tank 2000, but turn it a little bit to the left, so then your ball could either drain on the left-hand or right-hand side. It would have been kind of cool. It would have been different. It would have been a little different. I just wish it was more to the upper play field. Yeah. Casso. I mean, I know they kind of banked it all in that lock because it's a physical ball lock, but it can kick individual balls out so there's no lock stealing. Yes, which everyone loves. No, yes, everyone loves real locks. But I don't know. I'm almost leaning more towards the Pro. The problem is I like the premium artwork. I do like the premium artwork. I like the LE artwork actually is the best, premium second, and then the Pro is good. But, boy, you know. It did seem a little right flipper heavy. Oh, yeah. Because even a lock shot, like, why would you shoot with the left flipper when you could pass it over and backhand it? You got it. But it is Black Knight. It's all about the right flipper. Yes, it is. Unless you're Black Knight, the original, then it's actually probably more left flipper. Because you had two ramps on the right side to shoot, and the lock shot was the left flipper. Yes. But got to play it. Oh, yeah, definitely. No, definitely. And I'm trying to think, when am I going to get to play it? Let's see. Allentown. Yeah. We'll both be at Allentown. I am going down for one day. One day? Aren't you supposed to be a vendor?
    6:37
    No. No, my dad's not doing well yet. So, yes, we backed out of it. And Ivan was very understanding. Unfortunately, if anyone wants anything to buy from me, message me, PM me. I'll bring it down, and I'll meet you at the show. But, unfortunately, dad just can't do it anymore. He really can't. I tried. We started working on stuff, like extra stuff that we'd eat for a show. And after 20 minutes, he was out of breath. And the next two days, he was shot. So, unfortunately, no, I will not be at the show selling, but I will be selling out of my car if you want to meet me down there and reserve something from me. How can I get a hold of you, Bruce? On our website at www.pinballlifter.com. Or you can even catch us on the Slam Till podcast and message me privately from there. How would I do that from Slam Tilt, though? What do you mean, how would you do that from Slam Tilt? How would somebody do that? How would somebody get in touch with us? I'll let you take this one. Well, they could PM us through Facebook on our page, but they could also just send an email to slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com. There you go. You know, I'll be repeating that later at the end of the show anyway. I know, but yeah. I still have your – Ron gave me a gift a couple weeks ago. I did? What did I give you? You did. the metal trip lip trim yes yeah and I still haven't opened it out of the box oh but I'm going to this week because I'm going to get that thing ready to go you got to put it in your fist yes the fist must get everything it can yes it must so Black Knight Sword of Rage we'll be looking forward to that now in town the only thing that's going to suck it'll be really loud there so I won't be able to really hear all the cool sounds hopefully somebody puts it to an amp or just cranks it louder than everything else. Yeah. That would be good. Yeah. I'm looking forward to it. Me too. I'm looking forward to that game. And I think there's another game out. Oh, yeah. Something about chocolate. Yeah. Like the worst kept secret in all of pinball. Yeah. Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory. Yep. Through imagination, baby. So it was streamed by Buffalo Pinball on Friday. Actually, it would be... Was it last Friday? Yeah, I think it was last Friday, yes. Yeah, yeah, last Friday. It was at the Midwest Gaming Classic. Kevin did a great job. Yeah, they streamed for three, four hours. Yeah, at least. You could not complain you didn't get enough gameplay footage, that's for sure. And especially when Keith Johnson started playing it. Yeah, when Keith started playing it, it was fun. So, what are your impressions? I gave you my impressions first. You're not first. Okay. It looked exactly the way I thought it would look. I figured it would have, like, the, like, photo-painted, whatever you want to call it, like, artwork. I figured Gene Wilder would be right in the center of the play field, like, big, and he was. I figured there would be a, what's that thing called? A cough stopper? Yep. I've never seen the movie, Bruce. I know. Oh, my fucking God. I've literally only seen the scenes, you know, like, you lose in, like, the ending. And since I saw the ending, why do I need to watch the whole movie now? Everybody, everyone who sees Ron in Allentown now, don't hug him. Just go up to him and say, what the fuck? Why haven't you watched this movie? What the fuck? I've seen Wizard of Oz, another one of their games. I've seen that many times. Have you seen Hobbit? No. So, see? I haven't seen Lord of the Rings, Bruce. Oh, my God. I haven't seen any of them. Wow. So everyone, and whoever gives Ron the first copy of Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory Blu-ray will be mentioned on the show next week. You don't have to give me a copy of the Blu-ray. No, yes, you do. No, because he's going to have to watch it then. That's what people who get gifts would do. All right, back to my impressions. Okay.
    10:36
    Yeah, the artwork looked pretty much the way I thought it would look. I mean, the game looked. But it just, from watching the stream, you could tell the game shoots like a dream. Oh, it's actually smoother than smooth. Smooth. You can just tell. It's butter. You can just tell. It's butter. It's got four flippers. It's Pat Lawler all the way. I actually think it shoots better than dialed in. Wait a minute. Have you played it yet? No, but I'm going by shots. How can you know if it shoots better than dialed in if you haven't actually played it? When these guys were going for the shots, the only hard shot I really saw was the upper right one. All the way in the upper right. it has four flippers.
    11:13
    So that's pretty cool. All are different, like, spread out, too. One's all the way on the left, one's all the way on the right. Combos are us. Yep, combos are us. I mean, just the flow kind of reminded me of Roller Coaster Tycoon, honestly. Yeah. Without a troll, so it's already better. They replaced the troll with the Goffstopper. And they replaced it with the camera. The camera? You mean the Walkavision? Yes. The Walkavision, the screen, was it seven-inch, like? Yes. Another extra screen in the upper right-hand corner, the Walk-A-Vision. Yes. And then what's the other thing, the Walk-A-Nator or something, ball lock thing? Yes, that's only on the PEs and the LEs. Right before they announced the game, they said, like, we're going to be taking $1,000 off the price for our standard edition. Which makes it more appealable to operators. Yep. And puts it down to premium CERN price level. Yep, $7,500. Here's the funny thing. They basically now have the Stern model.
    12:14
    Yeah. Verbatim. They just call it different stuff. So what I mean by that is Stern has the Pro, the Premium, and the LE.
    12:23
    And typically you have the Premium and the LE have, like, all of the physical stuff. And the LE will have some more bling. And then the Pro will usually have something removed. Mm-hmm. So now you have the Waka. they call it the, what, standard edition, which is the Pro, with the, what, Walkinator, whatever it's called, ball lock removed.
    12:46
    But I guess the code is still in the game. But just the physical ball lock is removed. You know, different art package, at least for the cabinet, a different art package. Then you have the LE, which at, what, max of $5,000 or $5,500. It's not really an LE. They'll just keep making those as long as they have a demand. It's not really an LE. That is the premium equivalent.
    13:10
    Then you have the collector's edition, which would be the Stern LE equivalent. They literally are using the same model now. They're just calling it different stuff. And everything is a little more expensive. Yeah. So other than that, we should have taken a matrix up. Remember what we did? I think it was on Dialed In where we compared the matrix and see if the difference in price was actually – Was worthy of it. where it should be for the stuff that's there. If we were prepared, you know, I don't know, recording regularly, I probably would have had a Matrix up or something. Yeah, but. But I suck. Yeah, you suck. So. I can't wait to play that thing. I will say, though, the music annoyed me. Oh, God. Now, the music fits the theme. It's orchestral music, like the kind, I assume it's the same type in the movie. Did you see in the movie? Is that like what the movie sounds like? Okay. But it's all like, you know, happy and whimsical and da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Very like the same stuff they used in Wizard of Oz. And I can't stand listening to that kind of music for long periods. It was annoying me within five minutes of the stream. But that's a me thing. That doesn't mean the music sucks. It just means it's not my thing. Yeah. But it definitely fits the theme. I was annoyed that there wasn't enough call-outs from the movie. But it's probably going to come more, I guarantee it, because they only said it was coded like 40%. yeah the other thing was like the picture of gene wilder is literally the same picture yeah it's literally the same graphic in different places yep i mean looking at it it screamed licensor to me you know what i mean it screamed like you have these assets this is the picture of gene wilder you must use so okay we're going to use it over and over and over again what did you think of the art?
    15:02
    like I said, it looked like they were told what they could use and they just plopped them in yeah a little photoshoppy I really question how much freedom they had to do anything with that game when you see stuff like that I mean that screams like you must like these KISS Stern KISS the back glass yeah, because they had to beat them up Well, they also, it was even Stern of the Playfield, Stern of the Playfield, the Backlash of the Playfield, that is just literally the artist taken from somewhere else. Like, you must use this.
    15:42
    It just screams, like, licensor to me. Yeah. Like, you will use this. So it's like, okay, how can we use this? Like, the standard is not even going to have a graphic on the side. It literally is just going to say the title of the game. Yep. The other ones at least will have a graphic. Well, they have a picture of Gene Wilder again, but they're all kids. But it's the same picture of Gene Wilder again. I know. Yeah, I think maybe a little tweak on the artwork. Well, luckily, Jack told us that, you know, a couple weeks ago, before this was released, that once he shows the game, it'll be out in two weeks, right? So we should be able to see this right away, right? No, beginning of summer.
    16:19
    Yeah, that part I didn't get either. I didn't get that at all. And no one's really brought that up. I'm bringing that up, yes. because it was like, it explicitly said, and it's one of the reasons I don't want to release it at Texas because I want it ready, and then once you see it, it's going to be out in two weeks. Yep. And he has said this before. He has said this for Dialed In, and he said this for Pirates. Yeah, and that's honestly what I thought. So when they're showing it, and they're saying the code is like, what, 40%, 50% down, I'm like, well, wait a minute. If you're releasing this in two weeks, man, that's going to be one fast coding cycle. And it's like, no, they're releasing it in the beginning of summer.
    16:58
    That was the other thing. When they came on the stream, they first were doing, like, the presentations before they showed the game. And all the comments were like, come on, just show the game, just show the game. We don't care. Yeah. Again. Good job, Internet. You guys rule. The Internet rules. You suck. That's why we put all the work into the game. Thank you. Yeah. But, yeah, so I was just like, you know, the artwork, as I said, you know, They probably have one arm tied behind their back.
    17:26
    I think it's huge and incredible. I cannot wait to play it. A little more call-outs. Hopefully we'll see in the future. That'd be great.
    17:33
    We don't seem excited enough. There's new games, Bruce. We should be like, yeah! Come on! Woo! Until I play them. Once I play them, then I'll go, yeah! Yeah, you played Dialed In and said you liked it. Now you hate it. Well, because the problem is, they went the wrong way with that game. They went the wrong way with that game? How did they go the wrong way? Well, they didn't make it properly. They didn't make it proper. What does that mean? They should have opened up the fucking holes, then put clippies in them, and then the ball can actually be used in the fucking machine. Every game I played originally had no clippies in them because they were coming out of the box brand new, and you actually could make the shots. That is true. They were not designed with the clippies. Yes. Then they made the clippies, and what happened?
    18:17
    Holy fuck nuts. it does not play right. Every designer, every company from now on should make the hole an eighth inch bigger. Oh, my. And then put cliffies on them from the factory so it's the original hole opening that they wanted. Done. Enough said. The original hole opening that they wanted. Okay. Yep. I just think we should be more excited. There's, like, two new games. Yeah, I know. And, uh, Oktoberfest is shipping. October Fest is shipping. It is. I know Sunshine got one. They get everything. Was it like an LE? That's right. They don't have LEs. If they had an LE, they would have got that one. Of course they would have. They got their regular game and issues right out of the box. Well, Bruce, it's not like games don't always have issues out of the box. Yeah, exactly. Gee, because we'll go to the next subject now. Oh, the next subject? I got a game, and everyone voted on it. Yeah, this is all your fault, listeners. Yes. You could have had a bulletproofed, non-breaking Star Wars. Instead, you selected Batman 66. Yes. And guess what? Tell them, Bruce. Tell them how wrong they were. Out of the box. Brand new stern, out of the box. The lock does not work.
    19:38
    So I get the game. We lock the ball, and then all of a sudden the coil. What there is, there's a diverter that opens up when lock is lit, and then there's a post that's supposed to go up and down, and when it goes down, you can receive the lock, and then it goes back up. So if the turntable has to turn, the balls don't move and fall out while the turntable is moving. Well, the post doesn't go up and down all the time. So you go into test mode, it goes about 95% of the time, but in gameplay it's like 50 to 60 percent so i'm talking to first i talked to this new guy that they have at stern dave and yeah okay and then i finally got in touch with uh with his name at stern uh who's a normal guy there that we love so much uh chad chad chad yeah chad chad yes chad and chad says well let's try to node board first so he's shifting to node board which was an It's buckle within itself, but, you know, I will just go from there because I don't have a distributor. I bought it through IFPA. So he's like, you're going to return this node board to me, right? I'm like, yes, I will as soon as I get it in and out. I will return it. So I go look and see where this node board is.
    20:56
    It's in the turntable, buried in the turntable. If you don't have a mechanical engineering degree, most people will not be able to do this. I'm going to be honest. And all they send you is just a node board. So this morning I got to the bar around 10.30. I took a lot of pictures beforehand. Luckily, it only takes four connectors, six bolts for the turntable mount, and then you have to take apart the coil for the diverter and remove the set screw for the diverter arm. Once that's out, the whole puppy slides right out. Then you have to take apart the turntable now. And that took about another 20 minutes of taking pictures, making sure everything was good, pulling it all apart, putting it all back together. And it's mostly back together. I just got to put the diverter arm back on, and then we started recording at 12. And I'm like, Ron, I'll be three minutes. I'm just running downstairs, and we'll see if this works, if the node board works. Now, I don't know what's going to happen. I've never done this before with a node board, if I have to reload software or will it automatically try to update the node board. I think it will try to update it. Another thing I have a problem with, Stern, Say if I was a new person that never had a node board fail or replaced.
    22:12
    There are dip switches on these node boards. Hopefully you don't take this apart and not switch the node board dip switches to the proper location before putting it all together and putting it all back in the machine. Because that would really suck. Well, I have a question. Okay. How do you know the dip switches were in the right position for the one that was in there? Maybe that's why it doesn't work. You don't know. That's another good thing. Is it in the manual? Nope. Is there a manual? Yes. Ah. There is a manual. You think that would be in the manual? Like, dispositions for the no board. Let's go look real fast. I'm going to look right now while we're talking. Luckily, Stern does have an excellent website for support. But see, folks, we could have been playing Star Wars right now, but no. You had to pick this maintenance nightmare game, Batman 66. I picked a fun game because, well, it's been running the whole time. It's been doing excellent at the bar because I just put it on virtual lock. And it works. And make it in the moolah. And actually, I love the game. I really do enjoy it. It's still Star Wars. Yeah, it's better. No, it's not. I'm going to do a, I'm going to do Zach. No, it's better. When he would come back with a comment. It's not. Excellent it is. And I enjoyed it. Came no problems out of the box, except for the one problem we're having. but I mean no finish, any issues like that at all. You posted a picture of the one little note it has on the game that you found humorous. Yeah. Tell them about that. It comes with a sticker on it. Right where the shaker motor would go. Mm-hmm. What does the sticker say?
    23:49
    Attention to important warranty information. The electronic system, node board, network, architecture, mechanical devices, and associated software control systems in this pinball machine are designed to work with genuine Stern pinball accessories and devices. Installation of non-authorized accessories, lamps, LEDs, motors, and other devices or modifications of electrical devices may damage the system and will void your warranty.
    24:13
    There's possibly a problem with that. Okay, why is there a problem? They're basically saying don't put mods in your machines unless you have Stern mod. Exactly. The only problem I have with that is the auto industry had the same problem in the early 80s. and if somebody didn't use like the OEM oil filter and then the engine blew up, they would say, well, you didn't use this oil filter. Guess what? You're kind of screwed. So the United States made an act in, I think, 84 where it's called the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act that states a dealer must prove that aftermarket equipment caused the need for repairs before it can deny any warranty coverage.
    24:58
    Is it specific to automotive industry, though? No. Or is this supposed to be for everything? No. It goes into more problems with – but I'm going to make sure of this right now. I know we had this problem with our company, and we did inkjet printers because we had a problem with people using aftermarket ink, and then the hedge would fail faster. And then we'd be like, well, you can't do this. And somebody brought this and sued our company. It was actually enacted in 75, and it's on consumer products, so it's everything. so is this a you know a problem where stern stating this so you're saying sir would have to prove that that mod you put in blew shit up yes interesting yeah no it's just a weary thing but when i saw it i smiled because it just said leds i like that because Like, you love LEDs. Oh, God, no.
    25:52
    Okay. You want to hear my debacle? Yeah. Okay. Here's a debacle of mine. Okay. Lethal Weapon 3, right? It has LEDs in it. Yes, it does. Yeah. It's like all LED'd out for the GI and for the control lights. And it can get kind of seizure-inducing at times. Oh, yeah. And I had put, like, incandescence back in the back box to, like, try to make it less seizure-inducing. Yeah. But for the hell of it, I have, like, a LED OCD board. And I think that's the name of the company, LED OCD, if you just search for it. I have their board in my demo man, specifically for the GI to make it not seizure-inducing. Which, it does its job. So I'm like, huh, I wonder if they have anything like that for Lethal Weapon 3. Like, Data East games.
    26:46
    So, I look it up, and wouldn't you know, they have one that's for, like, Stern, but supposedly works with Data East, and it even has a chart of, like, which games it works on. And the weapon is one of the games it works on. Yay! It's for, like, the Gizmo board. It's, like, the small board. So. Okay. So I put this thing in the only place it could go because it's got, like, a nine-pin connector with the, yeah, and I think the center pin is the key.
    27:22
    And, like, on a stern, the GI output is right from the driver board. On Lethal Weapon 3, they do this bizarre thing where, like, it comes out of the power board. Like, relay is on the power board. It comes out of the power board and then goes to the PPB board for fusing only. And then it comes right back to the play field. Yes. So the only connector this thing actually will fit on is the one that's on the power board. Okay. So I put it on the power board, turn the game on. The GI is on for maybe five seconds and then dies.
    27:57
    And then the game doesn't boot. And I'm like, wait a minute. That doesn't even make any sense. I didn't screw with any of that. That wouldn't make the game, like, no display, et cetera, et cetera. It turns out I just knocked one of the plugs out on the power board. But, you know, before I realized that, I'm, like, testing fuses. So I tested the fuses on the TPP board. And guess what wonderful, like, fuse holders they have on there. Oh, they're junk. They are. And I got to experience that because when I took the one fuse out, the thing just broke. It broke. Isn't that great? Yes. So you had to replace the fuse holder. and then realized, you know, that I had knocked a plug out on the actual power board. Like, whoops. Put that back in, and everything worked except I had no GI because it actually blew the fuse on the gizmo board. Oh, cute. Yeah, and then I'm thinking, like, well, I do remember this off the top of my head that you're not supposed to have any incandescence in there if you're going to do this, and I had incandescence in the head. Okay. But guess what kind of fuses this board uses?
    29:00
    The minis. The minis, which I don't have any of. So I had to order the fuses. I took all the incandescents out of the head. So I have no incandescents in the back box at all. You could have went to an auto parts store and got them. They have them at auto parts stores? I looked at that. I couldn't find it. Minis, yeah. Okay. So I plugged it back in, and it worked for like a full game. Like, cool. Yay! So I put LEDs back in the back box, played another game. It died. Then I played another game after that, and it died. Blew the fuse again. So I don't know exactly what I'm doing wrong here. It's in the only place it could possibly go. It supposedly works with Lethal Weapon 3, and I have no incandescence in the game as far as I know.
    29:46
    Maybe it's the type of LEDs that are in there are causing the issue. I don't know. So, unfortunately, I had to just abort the mission.
    29:54
    Abort. So I took the abort out, and we're back to normal. We're back to normal seizure-inducing GI. Oh, yeah. Oh, I have to do state. There is a diff switch address on the spike node board telling you what it should be in positions. See? And it is right. So it is right from what you took out? Yep. Okay. On, off, off for the turntable node board. All right. That's a good thing. It is a good thing. But that hole for that turntable has got to be eight inches, not an inch.
    30:29
    It's a big hole, boy. Oh, my. So we've gone through the games. We've done repairs. Oh, I still got more. Oh, you have more repairs? What else is broken? What else broke this? I have to, after we're done with the podcast, we have a whodunit that came into the building. And the buddy who brought it in put a colored DMD on it. And it's blowing the fuses on the power for the colored DMD, the 12 volts regulated. Huh. So I look back, and there's a couple notes stating that whodunits are the only game that can actually blow, possibly, the color DMD power. Because of the motors could be starting to draw too much power. And also the LM339 chips on the driver boards the little mini driver boards for the stepper motors for the slot machine So guess what Bruce has to do after he gets done with Batman
    31:24
    Fix that. Yep. I'm going to replace all three motors in the slot machine and replace the LM3-3-9 chips. So what you're saying is I'm lucky I haven't had that issue in mine. The reason why you don't have that issue in yours, do you know why? It's because of Bruce. I did it already.
    31:43
    The motors were all screwed up on the whodunit when we got it. Mm-hmm. So I replaced the motors. And it's the one thing I didn't touch when I shopped it out. Good boy. I literally took it out and put it in another area and just didn't touch it. Yep. Don't even look at it. It is a bitch. Mm-hmm. Oh, I can tell. You can see where all the money and the budget went to that game. Oh, yeah. When you look at that thing, like, holy shit. And the ramp, the one in the center ramp. Yeah, but it's just literally a piece of plastic. Yeah, but it's such a rare piece of plastic. We can't rebuild. We can't make new ones. Well, they can't make new ones? That's what, well, they're supposedly the mold. I think somebody said it years ago. They broke the mold, literally? They broke the mold. Oh.
    32:24
    Bummer. Yeah. Because I don't think it doesn't even have any stickers on it. I don't think it is. It does. It has a clock. It's not the clock, the elevator. All right. But it's not like a licensed game, so they shouldn't have any issues making decals either. Oh, no, no, no. Not at all. I'm still waiting for my World Cup soccer ramps Yeah, how are they going? Yeah, exactly Where are my effing ramps? Mine are held together with tape So That was one thing I have to do today Easter day, see, you know And we're closed today, actually That's a nice thing I knew I was going to be doing all this stuff today So we are closed for Easter Alright, two days off in a row Alright Two days off in a row? Oh, Monday's off Yes. Good for you. Yay. I don't get that. Because I'm a little tired. You're a little tired. Now, Bruce, why would you be tired?
    33:18
    Wednesday morning this week, I planned on going out to Ron's, because Ron had a tournament at his house on Thursday night. Yeah, that's the one with all our 518 locals that Bruce was going to come in and try to beat everyone.
    33:31
    Try. Yeah. Okay. We try. It was a guaranteed victory? Is that what you're saying? Oh, no, not guaranteed, but, you know, it would have been fun. About as close to guaranteed as possible, Ron. Exactly. Yeah. 94.7% of visits. And Bruce even had, like, messaged me, like, can I stay overnight? Like, sure.
    33:51
    But then that next thing I know, it's like, you're not coming to my house. Like, you're going in the opposite direction. I went in the opposite direction. I went to Chicago. Why, pray tell, did you go to Chicago? I thought if any one person would want me to go to Chicago and get this would be you. Am I right or wrong? Yes, if you let me buy you out on the other one. Yes, of course. I would have. Okay. I would have. Of course, I told you that. What if I got the game? But let's do the whole story. How did you find out about this particular game? Ryan Slay messages me first, and he goes, Hey, there's a Quicksilver in Chicago. It's a state sale. What? So he sends me the link. I said, where'd he get this link? He goes, it's on the freaking chat. Your chat. So I've muted myself from the chat. Let's go way back to the, what was it? The Clusterfuck. Two. Yep, our last regular episode. We put a chat up for everyone to join in who was going to be in Clusterfuck. And it's still living after Clusterfuck. Still living alive and well. And unfortunately, it goes off so much during the day. that I had to actually stop getting notices. So I look back in the thing, and there, Josh, our own Josh Sharp, posted this thing. And everyone's like, oh, Bruce, you should go, you should go. So I talked to Kathy for about five minutes, and I said, oh, I'm going.
    35:18
    So everyone's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So then everyone but me on the chat knows, like, if he says he's going, he's going.
    35:26
    So later on, you know, I'm like, hey, Josh, can I stay at your house? And he's like, I don't know if that's serious or not. And you're like, he's serious. And later on, I took a picture of me going through some states, like Ohio, Illinois.
    35:46
    And then 1.30 in the morning, what's his name? Josh messaged me like, oh, I'm up for the baby stuff. Where are you, Bruce? 30 minutes away.
    35:55
    So I got there around 2 in the morning, went past the house that I was going to be selling at. and they have a big thing in front, like a sign saying, grab a ticket, and this will be your entry to get another thing. So I had a ticket, and I'm like, all right. I've been here since 2 o'clock. I should be golden. Well, how exactly does this work? Was it supposed to be an auction? No, first come, first serve, originally. Originally, but gee, they changed that. They did. And I actually wish they didn't because I would have bought it off the other guy then, but we'll get into that a little later on. So I get there, and I'm like, well, it's only 2 o'clock. I'm not going to sit in front of this house since 2 o'clock. Let me go find a place to crash. So I found the nearest Walmart, parked in a parking lot, pulled out the sleeping bag and the blanket, fell asleep in the car. Wow. Not even a hotel, nothing. You're just, like, sleeping in a Walmart parking lot. Okay. 5.30, I set the alarm for her. Beep, beep, beep. Wake up. Go park in the house in front of 5.30. Still, nobody's taking another ticket.
    36:56
    Another guy pulls up, like at 7.30, and I go, okay, you know, hey, what's going on? He's like, yeah. I go, what are you here for? He goes, pinball machine. I said, yes, so am I.
    37:08
    He's like, oh, I guess. He goes, well, did you hear that it's going to be changed? Like, what do you mean? They're going to do a blind bid. They'll take a bid for an hour from 9 to 10 o'clock, and whoever wins the bid at 10 o'clock with the highest bid gets the machine.
    37:22
    Okay, so we haven't even seen the machine yet. We haven't even said to our listeners what the machine is. It's Quicksilver.
    37:29
    So this is why I would drive 10 hours. 9 o'clock, actually 8.30, the people come out and they're like, oh, hi, we're here, you know. You interested in anything else? Like, no, I'm here for the pinball machine. She goes, oh, you're the one from New York. I'm like, yeah, I'm the one from New York. She goes, well, you heard about We Change. I'm like, yeah. So the guy, I thought it was the first person. I wasn't the first person. Somebody got there at 1 o'clock in the morning and grabbed a ticket. And he was complaining up a holy hellstorm, saying, I should have been the first one. Why'd you change the auction rules? And I wasn't saying anything mean, but I kind of, I was on his side, like, because if I was the first person, I'd be kind of pissed off. I thought it was. So I was like, okay, so. So there's three of you there. No, no, no, we get more. Oh.
    38:17
    We got up to eight people who were interested in the game. so at 9 or 8 30 we go downstairs and look at the game and the woman's like it doesn't work okay what's wrong with it she goes i don't know the owner said that does not work so i uh walk in there's the machine back glass is cracking pretty bad it's got like four or five paint separations on the back glass it's all there the cabinet needs definitely some work, but the worst thing is the center play field is pretty worn out. I sent pictures to Ron, and you saw some of the pictures I sent. Mm-hmm. It was worn. Not bad, you know. So, guy comes over, turns it on. Bing, bing, bing, bing. Does all the seven boots. Boots up.
    39:05
    The only thing, the first thing when it boots up, I noticed that it's actually having sound while it's in boot up mode. It's like... Like, okay, nothing big, you know. So the guys start the game, won't kick out any solenoids, all the solenoids are not working. So it's either the fuse or a wire broke off, but the flippers are working. Okay. So the flippers were working, and it could have been the underplay field fuse. Yeah, exactly. That's what I was thinking. Or a wire broke off, rather like the first solenoid. I've had that a couple times happen, you know, where some of the solenoids, you know, from the first one just, you know, daisy chained. So I'm like, okay, displays, one was really wonky, and one had a little bit of wonkiness. Could have been a reslow, could have been a connector, could have been a green slime.
    39:47
    I didn't want to open up the machine anymore. So another guy comes in, and he starts opening up stuff. And we're looking, we're all peeking around. No hacks.
    39:56
    No, you know, it was just a well-worn, played game. The owner owned it since 85. So it was close to home use only, you know, but they didn't do any maintenance with it. They just, you know, played it and played it and played it and played it and played it some more until it broke. And they were moving. That's why this whole debacle. So what would you have bid on that game, Ron, if you never had a Quicksilver and you saw the condition that I saw? Oh, I wouldn't bid on it. You wouldn't have bid at all? No. You would never drove out. I would have never drawn out to begin with. That's insane. So say it was a next-door neighbor's house to you that had a Quicksilver, and you went over there and they had an auction just like what I was going through. How much would you have bid? I mean, they've been selling for ridiculous prices, Bruce. Yeah, I know. Thanks, Chuck. Like, insane prices. Yes. I don't know. I wouldn't pay $3,000. I bid $3,300 and $9.
    40:56
    So how much would you have bid on that game, Zach? You saw the pictures. I mean, I'm not a big fan of Quicksilver, but value-wise, I was thinking somewhere in the mid-twos is probably a fair number. Okay. So, Ron said three. I did bid $3,309, and I did not win. The top bid was $4,400.
    41:20
    For a warranty-shit, non-working Quicksilver. Yeah. Well, it wasn't as worn as Papa's Quicksilver. No, no. That is true. Like, it was almost presentable. It was almost presentable. I would have, and if they do make the play fields for $1,000 or $900, maybe you get $6,500 for your Quicksilver. So, maybe $7,000. into it because by the play field, you're going to get a new backlash from BG Restorations if you can deal with it. And you're going to do the side arch stencils. You're talking almost $65,000 to $7,000 after paying $4,400 and tax and auction fee. So there was an auction fee even though it was just an estate sale? Estate sale because they stated that in the beginning. So, yeah, a lot of money. That doesn't seem like a good investment. No, no. But that's why I did $3,300. I was thinking with $3,300 with all the fees, it would have been $4,000. And that was my limit right there. Was it, though? I had more money. If it was nice, I would have went with $3,300. If it was like this pristine thing, it was like, holy crap, okay. Yeah, home use only, you know, 100 plays total. Yeah, because they also did take credit cards. And my credit card is empty. So I could have really went to the town if I wanted to, but I did not. So then I congratulated the guy, and I met one of Crystal's friends, because he goes to Logan Arcade, and his name was Lucas, and we were talking the whole time. He has a game. He had a Grand Prix, and the guy who did win it, he had 40 games. So I said congratulations. I jumped in my car and then drove home and went to the bar.
    43:00
    I don't know if you saw it. I believe Ryan posted on the Clusterbook a picture of the Quicksilver. Is that the guy? Yes. Okay. Yeah. And he somehow was a Wonka.
    43:12
    Yeah, because he was, that's Chris, that's Chris, the guy who works for JJP, who designed Pirates of the Caribbean.
    43:19
    Eric? Eric, yeah. He's in his league. Ah. And they were actually playing that that day. But yeah, but yeah, I was not in, you know, I was not going to pay more than that. So the hunt continues. And when I find one and take one home, I can buy Ron out of his dragon fist, and he can buy me out of my... Yeah. And then we'll be back to ones across the board except for Zach. Because me and Zach still own a half a game each. The Gamitron.
    43:49
    Gamitron. I actually own a game and a half. One and a half Gamitrons while Zach owns a half. I'm just not in your league. Yeah, you got to have Gamitron. No one is in Bruce's league. We have a craziness and stupidity. So, yeah, I get back and then I had to work on games as soon as I walked in the door. But, Ron, I will say Zach is a very good repairman because we had the burnt board. We had actually a board burn up on GammaTron about three or four weeks ago. We actually had smoke and fire. And a lot of smell. A lot of smell.
    44:24
    And I gave the board to Zach. I go, here you go. And he fixed it up with resistors and the transistor and everything. and it works perfectly because I had to use it again last night because, or two nights ago because the transistor wasn't firing the pop bumper. And somebody repaired it before. This is another old stern board. So I have to go play with that one now. It just looks like somebody hobnobbed the soldering and did a terrible job.
    44:51
    Yay. Bummer. So let's ask Zach what we talked about before earlier. What do you think of Black Knight Sword of Rage and Willy Wonka? We'll do Black Knight Sword of Rage first, from what you've seen. I don't want to speak much of the code, because it's still early-ish code. The layout seems incredibly cramped and brutal on a lower playfield. Reminds me of Game of Thrones, where if you miss, the ball is teleported to the outlane before you can even see it. Which I was not a fan of, for the reason I sold my Game of Thrones. and the upper play field looks sort of pointless. It looks like there's just one multiball up there and no other shots or mode shots or anything. No reason to go up there. Just go for your multiball and then drain and then, oh well, just go back up there again. So hopefully the code will flesh out somehow to make that more worthwhile. But it's still like the layout seems... I mean, I guess the same as Game of Thrones. The Game of Thrones Pro is cramped because the Premium has the upper playfield. Yeah, but Pro, it could have been pushed back and made a bit more easy shooting, and so could the Black Knight Pro. But since it's the same as the Premium, you know, there's a whole bunch of non-shootable space in the upper half, even though there's nothing to justify it on the Pro, which is sort of the weird thing you get when you make a Pro about the upper playfield, a game that was designed on the upper playfield. Yeah, I mean, it just has a loop and a lock. I don't know what more you're going to code on that. Yeah, super loops. Especially without any lights or anything to, like... Yeah, I was hoping, like, the modes were, like, you could go up there and shoot a mode shot that was lit with some RGB light, but if there's no lights because it's a clear play field, you can't really do that. And I suck at looping, so that's not going to do much for me, even though I'm sure it'll be fun watching Bruce put up, like, 50 loops.
    46:44
    Loop champion. Loop champion. But so hopefully it's like Deadpool, where I wasn't too impressed at first, But once I got to play it on a nice playing game of 1.0 code, I enjoyed it more. Yeah, I agree. Okay. Have you got a chance to play it yet, Zach? No. We do have one in Buffalo. Ah. There's a pro.
    47:06
    And I was driving past. I was actually almost pulled in when I'm driving past from the show, you know, when I'm coming back from Chicago. I was like, do I, do I, do I? I'm like, no, I'm fucking exhausted. And then apparently they'll be getting one in Syracuse on location soon? Yes. Yes, they will. And I think we might get one in Rochester. I could have played one yesterday if I wasn't at work. Ah. Yeah. Because Rock Fantasy has one. Yes, they do. And they have an Alice Cooper. Mm-hmm. Alice Cooper.
    47:37
    What do you think of Alice Cooper? I got to play it at local collectors and really enjoyed it. What? Oh, can you repeat that? I think there's something wrong with my recording here. Did you enjoy a game that wasn't Star Wars or Black Rose? I got home and I went on Google and I Googled how much it cost to buy one. Wow. And then I was like, I don't have quite that much money.
    48:03
    So I put that on the backlog of like, you know, when I'm making like six figures or something in the magical future to pick one of those up.
    48:12
    You just need to sell me that Alien Star, that's all. I don't think that's worth $6,500. Well, no. If you want to give me $6,500 for it. No, no, I wouldn't want to give you that, but I could take a chunk of it, you know. I'm just saying. So $6,300? No, no, no, not that big a chunk. $5,800? I think that's about my limit. I can't go any lower than $5,800. Oh, no.
    48:36
    I like Alien Star, but not that much. Not that much. Willy Wonka, did you get to see the stream? I saw the stream. it was very hard to make out what the layout actually was, like, from the overhead perspective.
    48:51
    Like, I kept noticing shots I didn't even know were there before and stuff. Mm-hmm. I like the upper flipper there in the upper right corner. You know, I always like games with, like, a flipper that you can, especially, like, that one because you can shoot to the upper flipper from the lower upper flipper on the left. You know, so I like games where you guys are like, get to one flipper and then get from there to another flipper, you know, so like climbing your way up there. I assume there'll be like a super jackpot or something that's only shootable from the upper right mini flipper. Other than that, the layout looked okay from what I could see. Couldn't tell much about the rules or anything from there besides it has super X, which means there's probably a 5X playfield in there, which concerns me because any playfield multipliers over like two or maybe three suck. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! So what does 40x do? It's not a playfield multiplier. It's a job multiplier, Bruce. Jesus Christ. That you control. Come on, get it right. Yeah, okay. And it times out, like, almost instantly. Yeah, like, you have to be bashing the death bank, like, every five seconds to keep the 40x going.
    49:59
    It's like, you almost purposely don't want to get the 40. It's a good risk-reward of, like, you want to keep it, like, 10-ish or 20 if it's doubled. because once he starts getting to 15, you're going to die soon unless you're in a multiball. So it's a good way to try to keep it going but not get it too high, which I prefer to. Every play to multiply I've seen, there's no real risk going on beyond just taking the shot to light it. It's just like, oh, now everything is worth quintuple what it was before, monsters.
    50:33
    And now there's no point in doing anything when you don't have 5x because it's just going to be worthless because nothing can compete with quintuple. Monsters is by your guy, Dwight Sullivan.
    50:43
    Yeah, he messed up every single thing I like about Dwight Sullivan games. It's pretty impressive. I like Monsters, but I guess I'm the only one. Marty likes Monsters from head to head. True. I haven't played it yet. You still haven't played Monsters? No. You like the way it shoots.
    51:01
    Yeah, it shoots good. Minus the super jackpot shot, I think. Yeah, that's the one big issue is, like, the super jackpot, multiplied shot, whatever, it just kind of falls in there. If you try to shoot it directly, it doesn't seem to go in.
    51:16
    Yeah, it's nearly impossible. Half the time you actually make the shot, it just bounces through anyway, so it's, like, really even more annoying. Like, for the most valuable shot in the game, it should not be more of a luck than a skill shot. And it should at least tell me what I'm canceling out of. Yeah. Like, how much is the super jackpot? You're not going to tell me. I have no clue what it is. Even just how many super jackpots, like something. But literally it blocks you seeing how many super jackpots you have lit once you go in the hole. It's like unless you're constantly watching this size 4 font in the corner of the screen during normal gameplay, you have no idea what's going on at all. But the ramps shoot good, the orbits shoot good. I like the kitty shot. It reminds me of the big bang shot in Dialed In. I love those targets that are really squirreled away. You have to shred your way through to them. the rules not doing it.
    52:05
    Okay. That seems to be a consensus for a lot of people. For once, I agree with the majority, it seems, on Munsters. Wow. Are we on 1.0 yet with that, or no? I think they're like .9 to 7 or something. Stern had a bunch of updates this last week. Yeah. Raymond Davidson summed it up very succinctly on his new podcast. I was listening to it, like, wow, that, like, you just pointed out all the flaws of Munsters in like three sentences.
    52:31
    And you can listen to that. I have to do or die podcast. Raymond Davidson's new podcast. Maybe we'll be on there one of these times. What do you think, maybe? We suck too bad. We're not good enough tournament players, Bruce. Maybe after Pinberg, if Bruce makes C division finals again. I can't make C division. I have to make B. If Bruce makes, or if Ron makes C division finals.
    52:52
    You can now. I can? Yeah, I think my stuff's run out. The statute of limitations is fine. Mm-hmm. But seek that out, Raymond Davis' new podcast, Do or Die. I actually had it on my checklist, and Zach brought it up for me. Yeah, see? Ta-da! So out of the two machines, what are you most looking to play in Allentown, Zach? I never play the new machines at Allentown. There's always a giant line, and you can't hear anything. Okay, if there's no line on each machine, what would you rather play? If there was no line and it was, like, midnight or something. Because, actually, I don't mind standing in line, but it's like, I feel like I never get a good feel of a machine when the background audio level is 50 decibels. I want to go and play this machine in a quiet place or in a collector's basement or something where I can really experience the full range of everything that's in there, especially with Black Knight where it's supposedly got some great sounds and music. You're not going to hear that at Allentown at all. If I did have optimal capacity, I'd probably want to play Wonka just because I'm sure I will see a Black Knight at some point. I know some are coming to the area vaguely but who knows if someone's getting a wonker or not anywhere it could be one that I never see for years or it could be one that will just pop up everywhere but the price is high enough that I sort of doubt too many people will have one so I'll take my chance to play that while I can okay I'll play whatever has the shortest line good way to look at it so whoever has the bigger display and has more of them available will be the one I probably end up playing which will probably be Probably be Black Knight. Because they'll probably have the Marco booth with, like, you know, 20 of them there. Probably, like, one or two Wonkas max. Yeah. Yeah, they'll probably have, like, one or two Wonkas and one or two Pirates and one or two Dialed Inns. And they'll all play crap because they're on a show floor. Yes, they will. In the DGP games. Yeah, it's something with the Jersey Jack games specifically. When they don't have optimum power, the flippers just seem weak. Yeah. When they're on a low power situation like on the floor, and I've seen this at Expo, I've seen them crank the flipper power to the max on the settings, and it's still like you can't hit ramps. But like it's in a seminar room, and it's fine. So I used to have a Terminator 2. My first team ever picked up, and it was incredibly trash. You know, I think it was routed up until like 2013 when I bought it, or something probably nonstop. But, like, I rebuilt the flippers and everything, and it played super nice. And then I put it on location, and it played like crap. It played like crap. And I was like, you know, I checked the line voltage, and the line voltage was good. You know, the voltages were all fine, but it just could not do it. And then, like, I brought it home, and it played great again. And I'm like, I feel like whatever was wrong with that Terminator 2, which, like, I would think, like, capacitors, like a weak connector or something, but I don't know. Whatever it is, Jersey Jacks seem to have that issue out of the box instead of after 20 years of routing, and they just can't survive on bad voltage. Well, not voltage because it's good voltage, but something about the power supply in certain locations just wreaks havoc with their internal power supply for the coils.
    56:07
    If any of you techies know what that is or have any ideas, you can email us at slamtillpodcasts at gmail.com. Yeah, we'll proceed to read off your ideas live on air and then just think about them and not actually say anything because we can't test anything because we don't have any Jersey Jack machines. I do.
    56:24
    That's true. Yeah. Do you have any bad voltage? No, unfortunately. You want to bring it along to the mall so we can plug it in? Bring it to the Saratoga show and watch as the flippers are just weak, and there you go. Then we can begin the testing. The Saratoga show, which, like, the first year had some major voltage issues, It still played, my T2 that I brought there, still played better than it did in the mall where it was. It was a bit weak, but just like normal show weak, not like weak, weak.
    56:56
    Normal show weak. I feel like Saratoga just has low voltage because they have so many games. They do. Oh, yeah, they do because we measured it. It was like 112 or something, I think. My flash would not reset the target bank. T2 on 112 volts played better than T2 on like 121 volts because something else was going on. And I don't know what. And if you don't know, I mean, come on. Well, we were in the repair segment, and you're working on a game right now that you picked up. Oh, yeah. A Baywatch. Oh, my. And are you having a lot of issues with this? uh they're mostly worked out now after about like five days straight of repairs this thing was completely trashed like multiple things had just like the screw holes had just worked completely out to the point where there's just like you know like you could stick like a pen into some of these holes in the playfield where the screw used to go there's like no bite whatsoever for the threads to go in because just like it had just been played to death how do you fill a hole in that's that big? What I did, which is working so far, is I just stuck a whole bunch of toothpicks in, and then I put some JB Weld in there, and let it sit overnight. It seemed to work pretty well. I've seen a lot of people recommend, like, actually drilling it out nice, like, drilling it out even more slightly so it's a nice, even-sized hole, and then sticking a wooden dowel in there with glue, you know, like, really fill it in, like, precisely, you know, and that will give you a strong thing, but I don't want to be drilling a play field that scares the hell out of me. So I just go over the stick, some JV weld in it. And so far it seemed to work. Oh, like Baywatch has this little kicker on the right that shoots the ball all the way up around the orbit and around the upper flipper, which basically never works in any Baywatch ever. But, uh, once I replaced the sleeve and I put this, I filled in the holes on that and put the screw back in. and now mine is firing around without problems. But it's just like, that thing is so crammed in there. Everything on this game is, like, there's no way they should have been able to fit this many things in this game. Yeah, Ron was telling me how long the subway is. Yeah, I mean, it's got a subway that goes all the way from the very back left corner all the way down to the front, just so it can load the locked balls back in the trough. It's buried under, like, the entire wiring harness is, over the subway, and the subway is over all the lights. Hmm, hmm, hmm.
    59:36
    How dirty was it? It was very dirty, but it cleaned up pretty well. Okay, that's good. The dead east Sega 90s playfields, like, Novus just cleans them right off. They do. No problem. Now, you missed out. We were talking about I had to take apart today. I actually took apart the rotisserie on the Batman today to put a new node board in. I was telling him if he just got the Star Wars, this wouldn't have been a problem. Well, I mean, my Star Wars had no board issues out of the box, so. Yeah, but you didn't have to make an entire work system report. It would have been like eight screws and 16 connectors. Yeah. But I'm almost done with that, so that was a good thing. The node board, like, programming issues, always, like, I remember, like, an interview, I think, with Lyman back when Batman first came out, and he was talking about, like, how difficult it was adapting to programming the node boards versus, like, on older machines where you just have, like, this one MPU that you program and that's it. You know, I would have figured that the node boards is, like, you send it, you tell it, fire this coil, and it fires this coil, like, there wouldn't be any programming of them, but apparently, like, they have some very sophisticated programming going on in the individual node boards, you know, in order to cause, like, a lock issue like you were having or something. You know, just I can't imagine what sort of programming logic goes into those to be able to even have issues like you were having. Yeah. Zach actually saw it firsthand. And it was weird. One time it would work. Next time it wouldn't. Next time it would work. Next time it wouldn't. Wouldn't. Just like, holy fuck. Weird. Hey, weird. Yeah. So, Bruce. Yes. Did we just have a tournament? We did. How did it go? Went well.
    61:22
    We had, what was it, 24 or 25 people, I think it was. We're talking, of course, about the Stomp 2 West. Yes.
    61:33
    And I got sucked in, but Ron didn't. Yeah, they pulled the Aspen Bruce to play, yeah. We're going to have to start like a betting pool of which or both of you will get sucked in any tournament now that you're both trying not to be in the tournaments. Yeah, exactly. Because currently it's one-to-one. Yeah, but the thing is, if it's odd, we'll both never be asked. and if it's even, unless it's trying to get to the magical number of, like, 32. Or 16. Yeah, or 16.
    61:59
    Or truly, who just joined us, won the whole thing, didn't you? Yeah. He sounds really excited. He was. He was so excited he was doing, oh, he wasn't doing that. He wasn't doing jumping jacks or just, like, he smiled, though. But, Bruce, can you do us a favor? Yes. Can you please not use Lord of the Rings? Yes, we will. All the time. No. No, no, no versus. Well, that was just a bad luck one because it... Stop. No, no, it's not bad luck. It's bad luck. It should not be in a tournament. It never in any tournaments for a reason You throw a thousand thumbtacks down on the ground and then you walk around them and then you land on them It not bad luck that you land on one You put a thousand thumbtacks on the ground Exactly. So don't put the thumbtacks down. So don't put the thumbtacks down, Bruce. I love thumbtacks. Yes, you do, but no one else wants that game in there. Actually, two people did want it. Two people out of 16. Not 16. How many? 24, but people were saying they are. I like the game. I like the attitude. Yeah, but that doesn't mean they – most people who play it like the game, that doesn't mean they want it in the tournament. I know. It's not a good tournament. If I don't like a game, Bruce. It's not about liking the game, Bruce. It is. No, it's not. It's about how long it takes to play the game. You just got to play the game, though. Yeah, but the game – you have players that are blown up who are sick of playing it. It's like this is taking too long. The whole thing about the tournament, it would need to end on time. When did we finish, Bruce? Oh, late. Yeah, like 1 in the morning, and my battery died. I know. Why don't you have better batteries? Thanks to Lord of the Rings, we couldn't watch the last game of the tournament. We did watch it. It was just further away. Uh-huh. Yeah, uh-huh. See, hey, listeners, please, send your emails in. Tell Bruce to not use this game. Or just make it harder. No, okay. I have seen it in bigger tournaments, but they basically put lightning flippers on, pull every post, and make the multiball so obscenely hard to start. There you go. But you're not going to do that when it's at your location and other people want to play it. I left Spider-Man with lightning flippers on it on location. That didn't actually affect the Spider-Man much. It did. It did a little bit for the shots when you're trying to line them up. I expected to have major problems playing that, and I was okay. I was fine with it. So then I could leave the lightning flippers, take two posts out, which are direct, easy posts to take out. And then I can go into settings and check it to really hard, where you don't get free multiballs. You got to go around and do that. See? Is there a saying, just disable all the multiballs? Yeah. Just do it all day? Like, that would be good. Wow. First, there are certain games that should not be in. Black Knight 2000 shouldn't be in. No, just think about it. If we disable the Path of the Dead, you know, pull all those switches, then you can't get to that multiball. If we disable the inlands, you can't, like, box. It'd be great. We know we can disable the up-kicker, and then you don't even have to worry about the switches. No, it might compensate for that somehow, though. No, just disable the coil. Oh, you have to just get stuck in there. Yeah. We'll just tape it over. If we just disable half the switches on the game, the game will be somewhat playable. Yeah, okay. It's not a question of liking a game. You know, I know Zach hates Next Gen, but Next Gen isn't going to take an hour to play. I mean, to be fair, if I was running a tournament, I wouldn't put Next Gen in just because... I hate Next Gen so much, but I wouldn't have any good basis for it. I just do it to spite you. Yes, yes. And, I mean, it's in all my tournaments. I mean, it doesn't – the issue was we had a game break down, so they had to move over to randomly picked. Thank you, software. Randomly picked Lord of the Rings. Well, we can do it a different way. We can actually make it just – when it's randomly picked, just make it pick a solid state game so it actually catch up faster. That would have been a little bit better. Yeah, and removing Lord of the Rings would have been the best.
    65:58
    It delayed things. I actually timed it because I streamed it. It delayed the entire tournament by almost an hour, that one game. No game should take an hour. I'm always thinking of ways to improve. Like, to me, my stream was a failure because I missed the last game. Yeah, epic fail around. To me, I've done two. It's the stream at Upstates and the stream at Swamp2West were both failures, in my view. I don't care how many people said, like, oh, the rig is awesome. Oh, it looks great. It sounds great. It's like, yeah, but I missed the last fucking game. You know, the end of the tournament. And that's the only game that matters. The best of it doesn't matter. Thank you, Zach. But, yes. Actually, it didn't matter for yours, the last game. You already had the championship. No, he didn't. He did. Well, there's the thing. No. Yes. No. See, and there's another thing. B Division finished. When did B Division finish? They finished early. Early, yes. I think maybe in the future perhaps not do three games. Or was it four games? Four. Don't do four. Do three. That was also an issue. Do three. Four is too much. Because even if you take away that hour-long game of Lord of the Rings, it still would have finished like at midnight, and that's still too late. We had the same problem at Bigler League, right, where we did four-game finals, and the finals for that took forever, too. Yes, they did. Because there's another long-playing game. Every single Classics I could. Pirates of the Caribbean was a long playing game also I mean when like three people pick 100 million on Pirates of the Caribbean yeah you know you're you have a long playing game but look at Cactus Canyon we had in league that was a long we were almost done we had two groups in A for Western New York Pinball League we were on game three before they even finished game one of Cactus Canyon because somebody blew it up with $95 million and then people were running with like $40 and $50 million.
    67:55
    All right, to review, no Lord of the Rings. No Lord of the Rings. Just take it out. So, Ron, if you had two failures so far, when is the successful stream going to be? What's the next streaming event? Well, it was. It already happened. I had a complete success. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What was that, Ron? That was, as mentioned earlier, The 518, we call it the 518 Knockout Tournament. The inaugural 518, as in our area code for the Albany area, the greater Albany area. 518 knockout format, three strikes.
    68:31
    So these are all like locals. We also had a father-daughter from Binghamton who came up. And Bruce would have been up, but he had to go to Chicago. He got on the highway and went the wrong direction. Yeah, that's it. He went the wrong direction. So we had the opposite issue where really it went really quick.
    68:53
    I mean, the rounds were like, I'm getting everything set up, the game starts, and next thing you know it's over and next round's starting. I mean, you've got like, what, like 40% classics now, 50%? That helps. But even some of the other games were not necessarily taking long. They're Von Halleck quality games. Thank you. It was, I mean, Matt, who was running the tournament, he was like, Maybe we should do four strikes next time because we were done. We were done in like an hour and 40 minutes. Yeah, like under two hours we were done. Well, did people stick around afterwards? Yes. Yeah, a lot were there. That was, honestly, a lot of the locals have never seen a home collection like mine. I mean, and Lauren. Apparently most people haven't seen a home collection like yours. Yeah, Lauren, who is one of the best players in our league, She finished second to me this past league. She was just like, holy shit. It's like, when we were done, it's like, can I just stay here?
    69:57
    The smiling faces made Ron happy. Maybe your other league just didn't know what they were missing. Yeah. Well, I tried to get leave to maybe, you know, play at my house, and we just, Matt just came up to me and said, hey, let's try this instead. We'll do it during the week so we don't, like, interfere with the weekend league. And everyone was asking, like, when's the next event? When are we coming here again? So, next one. We'll have to come out for the next one, Zach, and dash some hopes. No, no, don't do that. Yeah. I think so. It's not nice.
    70:33
    I'll tell everyone, if you're playing, Zach, pick next gen. Next gen. You don't get to pick, though. That's true. No one got to pick anything. So, no custom program that's software just put that next gen every single round. There was. And then I'll just plunge and walk away, and I might still win at least one of them. Oh. And it would just stay in the pops for like three hours. It was a browsing success. Mm-hmm. And the stream actually worked all the way to the end. And we actually got to see the finals this time without a dime. Yay. I think there's something either wrong with the transmitter receiver for the Playfield cam or the camera itself, because I've noticed when it hangs up, it's just that camera. Yeah. So I'm starting to think it's that camera. So I'm probably going to swap cameras. I'm going to either swap them, or I could actually use another one to maybe use with the laptop if I want to do, like, if I want to do my streams again. Because the rig is great for, like, a tournament. The rig rocks. But when you want to just, like, play one game and have the chat next to you and all that, it's better to use the laptop. It's a lot easier. And I also got to get some better ideas for the microphone. Which one? Because I'm using a wireless mic on there. an omnidirectional mic, which does work pretty well. You've got the sounds of the game, but my games are not up loud.
    71:51
    If you have them all up loud, then it's just this wall of sound, and you can't hear anything. It's not the best. No, it's not. If you get kind of in a happy zone where they're kind of low, but if you're playing it, you can still discern everything, but you're not blown away by all the other games that are on, then that's where I have them. although I did turn TNA up after the tournament to get the full experience I think it's the first time I've ever actually had the volume up on that usually it's at two so we cranked that up and that was a big hit people love that game Bruce I said people love that game Bruce exactly did you like the Scott Denise clip I put in last night yes I did so at least he listens yeah you suck Bruce guess what a lot of them are selling again tell ya people don't keep that game they love it until they have it and then they're like oh my god I gotta sell this thing co-op was very popular yes I agree but solo the game sucks it does how many times have you played it solo on stream I play it on stream Well, most of the time I play it as solo Bruce because there's no one else there. I know, but I'm saying, when was the last time you actually played it? Been a while. Yeah, how you doing? Whatever. Whatever, Bruce.
    73:17
    Is Zach with me on that one or not? I don't think it's nearly as bad as you do, but I probably wouldn't want to own it either. Yeah.
    73:26
    Again, I don't like the Playfield Multiplier. What? What multi... You mean the... The Multi-Ball. Yeah, but it's only 2X and 3X. Just like Black Knight. What's the problem? No, you can add a ball and get it up higher even. Yeah. That makes it even better. It's so just like, oh, I have a jackpot lit. Let's not go for the jackpot because it doesn't matter because I could have a 4X jackpot if I saw a lucky ball. Oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy. Okay. Whatever. So do you want to do mail next or do you want to do a segment? Oh, you have a segment? I have a segment. I don't know. What's the segment, Bruce?
    74:03
    Oh, well, would you or would you not buy that? Oh, okay. We'll save that for later. Okay. So let's go to the mail ball bag. Oh, yeah. Blame it. Okay.
    74:13
    Only have, we got three. Three items. This is from Fighter. Hey, guys. Keep up the awesome work. You have mentioned many times how important it is to set up your stargazer correctly so that the opportunity to trap the ball and repeatedly trigger the sling rollover switches is minimized or eliminated. Could you go into detail on how you achieve this? What is your play field angle? What angle are your flippers set to when raised and lowered? What kind of flipper rubber are you using? My game plays well, but I'd like to make it harder to trap up while still preserving the normal shot-making flipper characteristics. Thanks.
    74:50
    Well, let's see. The flipper rubber is whatever Marco has in our kit. And I just use a flipper rebuild kit from Pinball Life. and I aligned them to the posts that come out. Or if they're not coming out, the pins don't come out, then you just go by the hole. And that pretty much did it. If you have new plates, it will screw it up. It will. The only way to really get it right then is you need an old plate to compare to. I don't have any specific measurements. I can tell you that's what I did on my Cheetah. I had one plate that was blown out on the two bottom flippers, the original one that wasn't. Two originals, one was blown out, one wasn't. So I had to replace the one plate. When I was done rebuilding them, the one flipper on the new plate was up higher than the one on the original plate. It's like, what the hell? And it all has to do where the rest bracket is. The bracket that it rests on when the flipper's at rest is not in the exact same position. So you have to bend it a little bit, and you basically need an original to compare to to get it right. I thought those vest brackets were adjustable. Are they fixed in position? No, they're fixed in position. No, they're fixed. They're fixed. They don't slide like the... We need Ron to open up his games and get some calipers and a diagram of exactly what the space should be. The only reason I noticed this is because I had the old one, and then when you look directly overhead at them, you can see where it's sitting at rest that it's different. Like, wait a minute. I mean, it's an easy fix, i.e. just bending the bracket a little bit. I mean, literally, maybe 16th of an inch, and then it's fine. But without the other one to go by, you're kind of screwed. Okay. So I'll say if you have the original base plates still in there, just flip a rebuild kit and align them at the pins, then you should be okay. That's all I think. Should be. That's all I do. And if it's still up too much for you, you can always take the pins out. The pin is just a wire guide they put in upside down underneath the play field. That's all it is. You can actually pull it out, and then that will allow you to put them down a little bit further. Which is better. So you can do that. I did that on my stars to make the spinner better to hit. Oh, that was one thing I also noticed on the Quicksilver. Somebody put a center post on it. Oh, yeah, they put a center post on the Quicksilver. Yeah. Just like Dragon Fist. Yeah. Yeah, now, yeah. What's with the freaking center post? Stop drilling your play fields, people. Don't do that. Her post without Kirk games is bad. Yep. My Baywatch had extra post installed on the left side, so I had, like, the adjustable post, you know, between the kickback and the in-lane, and then above that there's another fixed post drilled in. Excellent. Why? Just play better.
    77:49
    Second male from the ball bag. Oh. This is also from Fighter. All right, I'm doing my bit to fill your mail ball bag up. Oh, yeah. I know you guys love a good tech challenge. I got a doozy for you. Okay. This is perfect. We got the right personnel here. And this is a CERN question. My big game came with a lightly battery damaged MPU200 board. I've restored the damaged area, replaced all the reset circuit components and all the sockets, other than the three big chips on the middle right of the board, the CPU and the two below it. Game boots fine, and you can play a complete ball flawlessly. Hit every switch, fires every coil, build bonus, et cetera. However, once the ball drains, the MPU resets every time.
    78:37
    That doesn't sound like a CPU issue. That sounds like a diode issue. Sometimes it resets during the bonus countdown. Sometimes it happens as the ball is kicked out into the shooter lane. It varies. Also, if I go into the switch test diagnostics, sometimes it will reset as I use the coin door buttons, but not always. Power test points all test nominal, even during the reset. If I put a good known MPU board in the game, it works fine. So it is specific to this MPU board. Suggestions.
    79:09
    He also says it's time for another tech panel episode. Diode, I'm thinking, on the board, possibly. Or a PION, PIO chip failure. Yeah, I would replace the ROMs and RAM and the lower PIA, probably. Just shotgun it.
    79:26
    I would assume, like, something's crashing in the software, you know, at some point. Yeah. I guess also replace the socket for the lower PIA, because that's near the damage, too. Maybe there's something on there.
    79:38
    I would agree with that, also. Thank you, Slider. Is there diodes on the CPU, Zach? Or are they all on the coils and that kind of stuff? It just seems weird when it fails, it failing on the lower side of the play field, it seems like. I think the only diodes on the CPU would be for the tip switches. Okay. All the coils should have the diodes on them, but it seems like if it's doing it during the bonus countdown, no coil should be firing then. Yeah.
    80:08
    We have one more. This is from Eric Russell. Is the subject the stomp stream? Uh-oh. Last night I was watching some of the stream video, and I had to chuckle about the commentary from Ron and Zach at one point. I was playing Monopoly and Cash Grab, and they were questioning why I shot the right ramp a couple of times rather than just looping the center ramp. The funny thing is, that's what I was trying to loop the center ramp, but my on-the-fly aim was so bad that I missed by enough to hit the right ramp instead. You could even see me shake my head a bit after one of the shots. I'm sure Ron can relate.
    80:44
    Eric Russell. There you go. I can relate. I am very inaccurate. That empties out the mail ball bag. Okay.
    80:55
    So, it's time for would you or would you not buy that? Tell them about how we do this, Ron. This is when Bruce peruses the far reaches of eBay for interesting things. Sometimes pinball. Most of the time pinball. And we ask ourselves the question, would we or would we not buy it? So everyone get their eBay up right now on their browsers and get ready to put in the option number that Bruce is going to tell us right now. Ticket number 232939907076.
    81:39
    Pinball machines for sale, plural. I mean, it says plural, so I'm thinking it's multiples. Pinball machines for sale. Condition is used. Ship with USPS first class package. Really? You can do that?
    81:57
    $4.49 shipping. Yeah. That's $4.49, not $449. Yeah. What? And it just says pinball machines for sale, and it's got a picture of, like, hard body. Yeah. and half of a Mr. and Mrs. Pac-Man. Yep. I'm confused at what this even means then. I couldn't tell you, but I had to laugh when I saw this one. I was like, what? Huh? 100% positive feedback from the seller. Yeah. I wonder if they've ever sold pinball machines before. Let's see. They've sold Xerox, phasers, aquariums, a bedroom set, a bed and nightstand. So nothing pinball related as yet. Nothing at all like that. No. Okay. That's interesting. Yeah, that was interesting, isn't it? Well. 54 watchers. Yeah, I know. So a lot of people are watching what they don't know what they're going to buy. Yeah, am I buying the hard body? And it's only 450 shipping? I mean, I love how there's just like a random power cord, not from a pinball machine, just on top of the hard body. Yeah. You couldn't even bother to clean stuff off the glass to take the picture. No.
    83:07
    Not at all. It's hard body. as opposed to BMX, which is a better game. Yes, I agree totally. Are they actually different games or is it different art?
    83:18
    Almost exactly the same. There's slight, like, I think BMX has an extra magnet that Hardbody doesn't have. Yes. But if you look at them next to each other, it's obvious they literally took the drawing. And I think one has drop targets on the bottom and one has stand-ups on the bottom. Yes, yes, yeah. But it's literally, it was the exact same play field. So we would not buy that, right?
    83:42
    I wouldn't know what I'm buying. Okay, good. I mean, if it's hard body, I don't think it's worth $1,500 anyway. But if it's both games and the shipping is only $450,
    83:53
    I'm going with that. Still not worth it? Just for the parts? The boards alone. If there's any boards, they could be empty. That's true. It's not on.
    84:03
    Okay, ticket number 163. 6-2-8. 553-182. Valley beat the clock. Pinball arcade machine. Why do I have to put the extra arcade in there? Because they're trying to get more people to look at stuff. Ah, there you go. So Michigan, seller has 100% positive feedback with over 3,000 items.
    84:29
    And it's only $850. Free local pickup in Jackson, Michigan. Let's see what we got. This is a decent battle. He beat the clock pinball machine. It plays fine.
    84:42
    Let's see. Drop targets do not match as well as the pop-up caps. The cabinet has wear mostly along the bottom edge. The artwork is faded. The plate feels wear. And something is worn away. And then there's a lie. Overall, it's a nice and fun pinball machine. Fun.
    84:59
    I beg to differ with that, but, yeah, this actually played this. JT had this. Yes, he did. And it was at the Buffalo Summer Open. Yes, it was. Repetitively. Yeah. And basically, it's time-based. So you can keep building time and keep playing. Yes. This is the way it works. So it doesn't have, like, you know, ball one, ball two, ball three. But it's only $850.
    85:25
    And it works. Now, is this the, what is it, 68, when I was for the 60? Yeah, 6803. So it's got the wonderful cabinet. Yes, the crap cabinet. I don't know. It's only $850. Or you can make an offer. Best offer also there. Yeah. So you might even get a... No. I would actually go for this for a person that's trying to earn a... It's not a horrible game. No. I mean, it's a game.
    85:49
    Lately these days for this price. What about Zach? Would he do it or just taste it too much? It's just bad.
    85:57
    So no for Zach. I would say yes. The more I learned about it, the worse it was too, which is a great sign. No. Wow.
    86:06
    Okay, next one. Ticket number 303-116-476-991. Interesting. Okay. It's a space shuttle. Hard topped.
    86:25
    Oh, my. Which means, oh, my. Now, does that mean it's all new artwork, too? Like, that's a hard top? It's a hard top. It's like the Mylar, but it's actually got the... It's not Mylar. It's like the Playfield Protector. Yeah, Playfield Protector. It's a PETG with artwork on the bottom. Yep. Although apparently not on the inserts or something, which is weird. Weird. I agree.
    86:49
    So $2,400. Mm-hmm. Looks like it's pickup only. Yep. It's telling you that many, many times. Cincinnati, Ohio. Yep. You are bidding on a fully working space shuttle, hardtop installed, NV RAM installed to save settings and high score without batteries.
    87:09
    Let's see. Updated to MOSFETs, new displays with lifetime warranty, new shooter rod assembly, new coin door lock, new RAM flaps, new leg bolts.
    87:21
    Let's see. Back glass is an 8 out of 10. Cabinet is a 7 out of 10. Rock, solid player. I love how it's like I've read on the boards. I've got new leg bolts, even, and a new lock, and no flipper rebuild or anything. Yeah, no, nothing to make it actually play. None of the important stuff, but hey, it's got new leg bolts. Like, that poor space shuttle is the original space shuttle. It's so yellow, it's not even funny. But we put new decals on it. Are those even available, though? Yeah, they are. Oh, yeah. They are. And he's on Pinside. Yeah. That's his Pinside name. So I'm curious if he's selling this game on Pinside, and if he is, if it's cheaper. Probably is. Yeah, probably is. But he has pictures.
    88:04
    Yes, but not working. Not playing. No, the game's not on in any of the pictures. No. LED displays. Yep. Which I don't mind. I mean, guess what? I'm getting used to that. I'm still not a fan. I'm not a fan, but they're starting to become a necessity, I hate to say. Yeah. Stock buy while you can. Yes. No, don't tell people that, Zach, because then they will. LED displays are great. They're great. You should send your old ones to us and buy some new LED ones. You got it, punk. We'll dispose of them safely, and it's good for the environment. Yes. We'll dispose of them safely and stack storage, where he already has, like, probably 300 of them or something. Yeah, he probably does. No, only, like, 30 or something.
    88:44
    So would you buy this for $2,400? No. If I was looking for a space shuttle, and I wasn't very technologically inclined, this probably wouldn't be that bad. Yeah, like, it has been gone through, like, you'll need to rebuild the flippers and stuff, but you know, like, the boards should probably work good, you know, it's got new displays,
    89:05
    they've had to survive like a show for a weekend and stuff, so it's got to be at least decently reliable, it's got a brand new playfield, like, for someone looking for like a starter pin who likes this game, it's probably not a bad buy overall. Yeah, but for $2,400.
    89:21
    I mean, what do space shuttles go for? Like, I feel like they go for high 1Ks at least in good condition.
    89:30
    And usually not with a hard top play field or anything. And it has Steve Ritchie in it. How can you go wrong? Exit pilot one. That's Steve Ritchie. I am the Black Knight. So we had two no's and one yeah, I think so. Next one. You're gonna love this one, Ron. 272 6666
    89:53
    136 4-0. Lizard. Lizard pinball machine by Game Plan. Rare. Hard to find. Right down there. That's one of your pet peeves. Rare. Unless you go to Papa and you can play theirs. Yes. Well, 1400 is at least like slightly low production. It is, yeah.
    90:17
    It's like the first solid-state pinball machine produced... Wait a minute. The first solid-state pinball machine produced in 1980. Maybe it is. It may have been right on the line of January 1st. January 1st? Like, literally, this was the first one that came out.
    90:30
    That's a weird way to word that. June 1980, data manufacturer acquainted IPDB. Okay, so that's wrong.
    90:39
    158, yeah, 100% positive feedback with 158 transactions. We have pictures. Let's see what we got here. Come on, let me zoom in. I know. He didn't have it for zoom. Ah, I hate when you can't zoom. Well, it's got some artwork on it. Yeah, it's got... I can't tell... Are the flippers, like, misaligned, or is it just the angle? I think they're misaligned. They're misaligned. But, hey, it's got replaced flippers.
    91:08
    Okay. Whatever that means. Something has been replaced. We have manuals. We have a full manual and parts catalog. We got lots of paperwork.
    91:19
    So, definitely, if you want paperwork, it's there. I mean, unfortunately, there's no real close-ups of the whole playfield. The glass is on. Well, it's got, like, half playfield picks. Yeah, I guess so. You can see, like, there's not a ton of wear or anything. And he even said, we placed rubber rings and flippers.
    91:40
    Well, if that just means the flipper rings, or if it means, like, new bats, or was it actually rebuilt, or... Yeah, nobody knows. No shipping. $1,800, our best offer. I don't know what the market is on game plan games at all. Yeah, I was about to say, if you're like a game plan aficionado and this is the one you need to complete your game plan collection, put it next to your sharpshooter, your sharpshooter 2, your Coney Island, you know, maybe this is your holy grail. Well, the good thing is somebody is remaking the boards for game plan, so. Okay, so even more desirable. Exactly, so. I would usually stay away from game plan and stuff like that just because, like, what the hell are you going to do with the boards? That's good to know at least. Yeah, one person is starting to do the CPUs at least. I know that, so that's a good thing. How about Sakurai? Do they have anyone who makes the boards? No, not yet. Yeah, a lot of those small manufacturers are like, do you really want to be getting into that? Yeah, like Alien.
    92:41
    No. Yeah. Yes, I do. I want to be getting into that. Yeah, they have a whole, like, support group set up where they're going to do stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah, okay. Do you want to feel a member of an awesome club as an alien owner? No. You get, like, a special T-shirt and you have a secret hand shake.
    93:00
    The secret meetings at every pinball show where they get together in a secret room. Yeah. And they're just piles of meth. Piles of meth. What?
    93:11
    Alien owners are meth addicts? Is that what you're saying? Ron, you wouldn't understand. You don't own an alien. Okay, exactly. Okay. I do not. Okay, so would you or would you not buy this?
    93:22
    That's steep. I mean, if you were a game plan person, it looks okay. It still seems like, for an early solid state, it doesn't look like it's a great player as far as I can tell. I feel like if it was a really fun game, I would have never heard of it before.
    93:38
    You know, it's like, would you really pay $1,800 for, like, a Phoenix or something? No. but they made a lot of phoenixes though yeah they didn't make a lot of lizards would you pay $800 for an algar fuck no fuck no no a nice one yeah no well I remember I played this before Yeah I played that And I don remember you know I typically remember negativity more than positivity So if I played this and thought it was like the worst thing ever, I'd remember that. I don't remember hating this game. To me, it just looks like, ugh. I'm trying to remember if it had multiball or not. I know it had some kind of back glass animation thing where, like,
    94:20
    you ever see Iron Maiden, like the original Stern one? The way the light, like, goes off and on in intensity? It has something similar, if I recall, in the back glass in this thing.
    94:33
    I don't know. If I really like this game, maybe. Okay. I would say for if you get them down to 15 or 16, maybe, and you're local, because you ain't going to ship.
    94:44
    Even for 16, I would want, like, more info on what exactly has been done with it. Yeah, definitely. I would definitely. But at least when you're offering up stuff or you message them first, you know, you can get some more info. Yeah. If it's been, like, flippers rebuilt and boards and connectors done or whatever, like, you know, maybe you can justify that. Yeah.
    95:03
    So we got a no, a so-so, and a right? Sure. Okay. Ticket number 223-483-267-674. A Trident pinball machine. From Stern. With some stellar LEDs. Stellar red LEDs in the back box, I see. They've got some pink, some green, some purple. Oh, clown. It's clown colors. I should have job that sound effect in whenever we get one of those type games.
    95:47
    Hi there, you like my LED job? Well, it has original drop targets there. I like seeing that. The ones you can't get anymore. Cabin looks good, too.
    96:01
    Playfield has... A little bit. Looks like above the pop bumpers, though. It's not pretty. No, it's not pretty. The spinner, Bruce, you might know this more than me, the spinner on the left, the left spinner there, the post that's in front, is that original or was that originally a metal smaller one that got sheared off and they replaced it with that? No, that is original. That's what they did in the earlier sterns. Yeah, then they went with the smaller ones that get sheared off. The flyer has a small one. Really? Yeah, so it is a small one. And whenever I see that, that's literally because, yeah, because it looks out of place on the full play field shot. You see it sitting there? It's like it's this different color. It's a different color post, too. It's a different color than all the other posts. It just stands out. And the other spin looks like it's just missing its post. Yeah, which if it hits the actual. That's good. Yeah. So that's a couple things. So that means at very minimum, when you get this game, if you want it to play right, you're going to have to take that post out. The other post that's sheared off, that's still in there, you're going to have to get underneath the playfield and drill it out. I mean, you'll already have had to tear down the playfield, take out all the LEDs and everything. Yes, that's true. Yeah, what's the big deal? So, it's just a pain in the ass, drilling. I don't like drilling the playfield, even if it's underneath. The Flyer has a nice blurb. Spin target. Two spinning targets that lead the ball back to the playfield. Present exciting appeal that brings fantastic action to the player and coins to your cash box. Woo!
    97:36
    Wow, it was all about just shooting it up top, wasn't it? Yes, it was. And the F-Layer basically says so. This is the first game with individually controlled drop targets, which is pretty cool. Got that? So, like, it has a five bank, and it raises up two, and you hit those down, you get 2x bonus. Then it raises up three, and you get 3x bonus. It raises up all five, and you get those, you get 5x. So you can own a piece of history. Innovators.
    98:00
    It's got some crazy art. I'm looking at this one plastic. It's got, like, this dude getting choked by a snake. See, I actually, I want one of these games. You want a Trident? Yes. I've been searching for one for a few years now. There you go. It's in New York. It is. What part of New York?
    98:19
    Corum? Corum. I don't know where that is. It's probably upstate with a name like that. It is upstate. No, it's Long Island. Oh.
    98:27
    Like the tip of Long Island, too. Damn it. Oh, God. Playfield has somewhere willing to take trade for another pinball machine.
    98:35
    I don't know. I know a certain person's got a lot of pinball machines. I'll trade you a nice speakeasy for it. There you go. So not the Dracula. You want to keep that? No, why would I get rid of Dracula? Okay. Dracula's great. Blah! If anyone listening owns a Dracula and wants to beta test my tournament ROM, hit me up. And how would they do that, Zach?
    98:58
    Uh, any way they want, pretty much. Facebook. Yeah, find me on Facebook or email me. Or, exactly, email you where? You've got to help them out here. pinball at z-a-c-a-j dot com. Or contact me on Twitch. Or just email Slam Tilt and they'll forward it along. We will. The options are many. Find me at the Allentown Pin Fest in two weeks. Find me at Pinberg. We're fantastic. Now, Zach, we know you're a little different than everyone else, like we all are. Have you ever seen Willy Wonka? What? What did you just say? You're weird like us. Yeah, but that's not how you said it. No, no. You're different, like all of us. Okay. So, have you ever seen Willy Wonka? Both of them. Okay. And I've read the books. Yes, me too. Ron's never seen it, so I told people now, the first person that gives him a copy of a Blu-ray Willy Wonka video, the original, not the new one. The new one sucks. The new one's not horrible. It's bad, though. It's bad. It's not as good as the original. No. But I feel like there are a lot of people who are just like, oh, this isn't the original exactly again, so we hate it. Yeah. It wasn't trying to be the same thing, and I think it did okay at what it was trying to do. It wasn't trying to be the same thing. That's why it has a different title. The whole reason they made that movie is because the author of the book hated the original movie. Yeah. So they made it the way that he wanted, which, like, yeah, I can respect that. So for $1,000, would you buy this?
    100:32
    $700. Ron? Sure. If I really like Trident, why not? Yeah. I think so, too. It's got a wear. Yeah, and I'd be so excited to take all these LEDs out. Yeah. But whatever. It is clown LEDs. though, man. It's like purple, green. It doesn't even match anything. No, it doesn't. It's almost like, I got this kit, I want to try out all the different colors and see how they look. I bought a sampler. Yeah, and I'm going to use all the samples on one game. Okay, next.
    101:06
    333 164 861 113 Let's see what Zach's thoughts are on this. I haven't seen one of these. Isn't it one of their ultra-wides? It's one of the ultra-wides. Ultra-wide, oh yeah. 1978. It's got the bad flippers. Yeah, it's got three strikes against this game already. One, it's got those stupid slingshot kickers. Yeah, I hate those. Oh my God. Two, it's got the center post moving target. I hate that, too. But it does have some cool things. It's got two ways to get, you know, at least you can get the ball back up to the top. Most Williams back in the late 70s, you could never get it back up top. This you at least can. It's by the Pinball Shop. They've sold 1,071 items with 100% positive feedback.
    102:04
    And it has a very nice looking, I mean, they've put some work into the actual page. It looks like it's a wider space mission. I was going to say, like, it's got the orbit to go up top, it's got the loop on the side, it's got the spinning target, and sorry to Crystal, but I hate that game. Space Mission? Space Mission sucks. Oh, it's terrible. It looks like a wider Space Mission with four flippers instead of two. Like, they removed the spinner, too, so, like, the only good thing about Space Mission is gone. You got it. Now, this is one of the early games with stageable flippers, which makes the double flipper arrangement on each side more interesting. Yes. But it's got the kickers, which suck, and... Yeah. I mean, it looks good. It's really nice looking. It's got some interesting art. Oh, yeah, interesting. $2,500.
    102:50
    Yeah. I love the... Our restoration process takes approximately 30 hours. So, like... First of all, it includes checking all the connectors, inspecting weak displays, rebuilding clippers as needed, checking all solenoids for wear, replacing batteries and reprogramming. No. I really doubt you're reprogramming the game. And re-rubbering the playfield and cleaning it. That takes 30 hours. They're reprogramming it because they're putting a Rotten Dog board in, which is different programming. Maybe that's what they mean. So you clean the playfield and put new rubbers on. You check the connectors, but didn't necessarily do anything. You looked at weak displays, but didn't necessarily do anything. And maybe you rebuilt the flippers if they were bad enough. Yeah. that's like the bare minimum you could possibly do for like saying that you worked on a game?
    103:43
    Up to four players. Wow. Would you or would you not buy this turd? No. Not even for a hundred bucks. Whoa. Not even for a hundred? No. But you could use the cabinet or some other wide body. You could use the cabinet for like your scorpion or something. I could buy this cabinet and put my spare scorpion populated play field in that. And feel better about yourself afterwards. But then I wouldn't have a justification to own a laser ball. Laser ball. Okay, best one and the best one, I think. Best one and the best one. So it's the best deal or the biggest turd. Let's see which it is. 3-3-3-1-6-5-1-7-0-4-6-0.
    104:27
    Ooh. That got his attention. I've always wanted one of these. I know you have. It's the same seller, Pinball Shop again. This one is a hot tip. Free shipping.
    104:42
    And more importantly, it's the hot tip EM. The better hot tip. The one where you can't experience my amazing custom ROM on, but you don't need to. It's perfect.
    104:54
    It's restored by our professionals of 40 years in the business. They cleaned all contact switches, completely disassembled and degreased the score reels, clean and re-build the playfield, and making it perform like new again. Wait a minute, so the restorations for EMs are better than solid state? Well, they didn't mention redoing any mechs or anything.
    105:13
    But hey, at least they degreased the score reels. The thing that you never need to do on a Williams, because they have good score reels. They didn't clean the steppers, the thing you do need to do on a Williams, because they're horrible steppers. They didn't rebuild the flippers.
    105:27
    Looks cosmetically good. Mm-hmm. I think they repainted the upper arch, unless I'm mistaken. I think they did, too. Was it not usually green? I think it's supposed to be white, if I remember correctly. The green looks pretty good, though. Oh, no. No, the pictures on IPDB are green, too. Yep, so you don't know that your game's wrong. Well, my game was, like, rusted so much that the frozen paint left on the arch. Hmm. To be fair.
    105:52
    All right, looks good. However, the price. Includes shipping. $2,100. So $1,800 after free shipping. Yeah. So what do you think, Zach? I knew this would tempt Zach. I mean, I already have one hot tip EM, so my threshold for buying another one is a bit lower. I feel good she tempts Ron more than tempts me. I would pay up to like $650 for another hot tip EM probably. Yeah, with this price, it does not tempt me. Okay.
    106:22
    Sorry. I made so many, Ron, you're going to miss a lot of chances. Yeah. Yeah, those rare EMs, I'm missing them. Yeah. There's plenty of solid states out there, but they're not as good. You can't rely on me to buy another one and sell you mine. So I'd probably just keep those. You probably would. I found a rare back glass that no one's buying on. That no one's buying on. Yep. You know how, like, the stars, like, you know how I got the stars one? Yeah. There's another one on here, not for stars, but another back glass that is super rare. Doesn't even have the lift rod on it. Lift rod? The lift channel. Okay. Wait a minute. Channel? I called it that, and you said I was wrong. Okay. Lift support. Lift trim. You're the one we had the whole segment on this thing. I won. And we agreed that you won, and it's lift trim, and now you don't even remember what to call it. Yeah. Lift trim. Yeah. I told you that. Yeah. What is it? 1-2-3-7-0-4-0-0-0. 4-1-9.
    107:30
    So we have an NOS Bally 8-Ball Deluxe Backglass, but unfortunately it's for the limited edition. You mean the good one? Yeah, the good one. Not you two. Come on. But you don't ever see these. You usually see... No, you don't usually see these. I mean, doesn't the LE have like a fluorescent tube or something? Yes. So like, it's not going to go bad anyway. They do, though. Really? Yeah. I've never seen a bad LE before. Hey, the back of it looks good. Yeah. Except the corner. Yeah, and that's probably storage and that kind of stuff, so I'm not really like... But it's good, but not perfect. But the price is what gets me.
    108:17
    Well, yeah. $401.77. So that's 1984 shipping. Yeah. Nobody's, like, bought it yet. that's the starting bid that's the price that's buy it now no yes it is buy it now I said no I said I'm not buying it now no no but I'm saying people could buy it now you can buy this $401 so if your back glass is shot worse than this one then you can get an 8 ball deluxe limited edition back glass yep I really love just like the back glass of Bally 8 ball deluxe limited edition deluxe yep like How many suffixes can you add on to the eight ball there? Or you can just get an eight ball champ and have a better game. Ooh, yeah. So, one more question, guys. What are your thoughts on Valley Playboy? Yeah. Really boring? Boring. Okay. Ticket number. Oh, Jesus. Okay.
    109:20
    113-257-734-734. 2-5-6. Oh, yes, yes. I've seen this as brilliant times. Yes, this is the sexy girl conversion kit for Ballet Playboy. It's just the back glass. Ballet Playboy wasn't sexy enough. No, there's a playfield, too. Yeah. There's everything. Playfield, plastics.
    109:49
    The only thing you need is the motor, the flipper motor that they would have for the pictures. There's actually a window in the playfield. Yeah. Yes. To show off more porn? Yes. Yeah. Man. And it would highlight. It would light up when it would come on. Really? I've never seen one actually work. It would actually flip, almost like a flip card thing, and show you different pictures. What people are doing now is actually, since the flipper motors are so much junk and everything, it's getting almost like porn video.
    110:20
    With a little LCD screen. Wow, it's literally the whole kit. It's got like the plastic. It's got everything. The plastic. The E-field. Yeah, it was done by CPR about three or four years ago. How much for this wonderful thing? $1,889.77. $1,800.
    110:39
    But wait a minute, shipping's only $2,679? Yeah, $2,786. For everything? For me, it's good. Or you can pick it up at Allentown. Yes. Oh, it actually says, oh, yeah, it's from Pennsylvania. Yes. Shipping is going to have to be in two boxes. EBSL multiple items, so you can estimate by doubling the number in the shipping calculator. I will invoice you the actual shipping. So it's not the shipping. No. Would you make your Playboy better? I wouldn't have a Playboy. And I don't think this would help. No. It wouldn't help me from just hitting the grotto shot over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Agree. But at least if it was Ron's Playboy, the grotto shot wouldn't make it up. It wouldn't. And you get to hear... Wow.
    111:29
    I'm surprised that this doesn't just include a new soundboard that just plays sound effects from softcore porn or something when you go in the grotto.
    111:39
    When you go in the pop-up, it just goes moaning for each bumper. Just play the BSD sound. Oh! There you go. Every time you go in the grotto, it plays that sound. Oh! There you go. Win, win, win.
    111:57
    No, I would not buy that. I agree. But it's cool if you wanted to make your Playboy something different. You could. No, you can't polish a turd, Bruce. It plays like ass. It does. I'd rather play Kiss.
    112:12
    Whoa. Yes. Wow. That's true. I would rather play Kiss. I'd rather play Playboy. I'd rather play Kiss. Because you have two spinners. Yes. You have two spinners. Come on, Zach. Two spinners, drop targets. They're behind the drop targets. No, they're behind the pop bumpers. Like, you can barely even hit the damn things. You have to be accurate. You have to be accurate, Zach. That's why Ron wanted to play it. Come on.
    112:35
    It's Kiss. It has me on the spinner. And the tongue flips. And the tongue on the other side, yes. Kiss.
    112:44
    No, no Kiss? No. It's better than Playboy. Definitely. Which is the best game of Playboy, Kiss, or Xenon?
    112:56
    Ugh. I have to still say Kiss. I would go Xenon, I guess. You like that multi-ball? You got to play that like 40 or 50 times before you even get a chance to get the multi-ball. But the multi-ball likes the spinner. Yeah. Great.
    113:15
    Spinners make the game, Ron just said. Yeah, but it takes so long to get it, you can't do it. It sucks. Far Away goals are good. You've got to have something that you can't get to all the time. Otherwise, you just did it all, and now what? Just do it. Okay, okay. Playboy, Kiss. Mata Hari.
    113:36
    Mata Hari or Supersonic. We're in agreement. All right. Oh, definitely. I would rather play Kiss or Playboy than Mata Hari. Oh, Mata Hari's the worst. That is the worst game ever. It is so bad. Wait a second, me and Zach are totally agreeing on this one. Wow. And it's amazing, though, like, they took the layout and, like, put a spinner in the middle, and it's Viking, and it's great. That is true. They got the same upper lanes, the same cross shot, the pop bumpers with a shot for the middle, but now there's a spinner there on the shot, and bam. And drop targets. And linear drop targets on the left-hand side. Yeah, I sort of ignore those on Viking, but I like them. Multipliers. Linear. You mean in-line drop targets. Yeah, for the linear line. Technically, all drop targets are linear. Yeah, that's, yeah. Really? Because they're in a line. One by the other. They're in a line.
    114:32
    So, Zach, are you going to Allentown? Yep. Okay, so all three of us will be there. Yeah, I'll be bringing a game down for the tournament. Will you be playing in the tournament? Considering you get 100 free entries if you bring a game down, probably. Oh, okay. What are you bringing down? Uh, Little Chief. Oh, okay. And I'm also, I've sold another game, which I'll be bringing down, and it sounds like that might also be going in the tournament. So I might actually bring down two games for the tournament, basically. Which it is? Which is who? Uh, Bankshot. Ooh. And I sold my Mars track, too, that we picked up at Allentown.
    115:12
    And I want to buy a damn Stargate. Someone bring a Stargate to Allentown. Or Congo. Stargate or Congo. Congo is... Everyone wants Congo, so you're not going to get a Congo there. Stargate, maybe.
    115:28
    I got t-shirts for sale from the Silver Ball Saloon. You do? I can bring them to the show, Allentown. So if you want your t-shirts, what sizes do you got, Bruce? I have small, medium, large, extra large, and 2X. Whoa! 2X, 2X, 2X, 2X, 2X, 2X, 2X, 2X, 2X, 2X. So tell me if you are interested in a t-shirt, message us on the Slam Tilt Facebook page, or if you want to do it any other way, you know. Ron will give that whole information out in a few seconds. Oh, in a few seconds, because we're finishing up. Are we? We are. Or do we have anything else to talk about? I don't know. What else is on your list? That was everything on my list.
    116:08
    Does Zach have a list? Does he want to talk about any awesome things in pinball? Awesome things in pinball. We could talk about, like, all the games you pick up, but you pick up so many. If anyone wants a Gottlieb roller coaster, let me know. God, I told you.
    116:23
    I told you. You just got that. Is it not living up to your expectations? It's terrible. It's not. It's terrible. When I originally played it, I thought it was terrible. And now, like, I've come to like it somewhat, but I'm like, it's not quite worth my limited lineups room. considering that, like, a day later I bought a Baywatch. Yeah, how do you have any room at all? I don't right now. I just want you to get rid of the damn roller coasters. I'm just thinking of, like, where are these games sitting? I literally have a game sitting in the doorway to my laundry room right now that I need to move to go do my laundry tonight. Ooh.
    117:04
    Like, crawl under it or something. Like, I need to get this roller coaster out of here. Didn't it have, like, a gimmick, like, firing the ball? It's the first game with habit trails feeding the in lanes. Whoa. Whoa, okay. Piece of history. Historic games aren't always good playing, though. Yeah. You know, like high speed. Um, no. Incorrect, once again. You should have said, like, Humpty Dumpty or something. I never played Humpty Dumpty. I have. It sucks. I assume so, looking at it. Yeah. It, it, it, yeah, your assumption is correct. It plays as shitty as it looks like it plays. Yes. six flippers though. Yeah, whatever. Six. Yeah. If six flippers are bad, it's still bad. It's just like haunted houses. Eight flippers of bad. It's really bad.
    117:51
    Eight flippers of stock. It's the luck. Eight flippers, one shot. Haunted house. Oh, really? What is the one shot to get to the upper play field or get to the basement? I just shoot for the hidden target over and over that just like falls back, which is a really cool mechanism.
    118:09
    I wish I ever seen that again in another game. but like I don't know just like there's walls and walls of just targets that give you nothing but extra balls you never go for them and then there's the whole the lower playfield of suck yeah and on the lower playfield there's just some drop targets that you shoot for which give you multiplier on the upper playfield which you can't get to because the ramp is placed badly mhm and that's how it house ta-da it may be clunkier than Simpson's spinball party ah It's close. But I think it's clunkier than Simpsons Pinball Party. I'd say definitely clunkier. Simpsons Pinball Party at least has, like, three shots. Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait, wait. Simpsons Pinball Party has flow. Where? No. Please tell me where the flow is. Right ramp. I was going to say, you're going to say the right ramp. Why? Just because you can repeat it. That means it's flow. Because you can repeat one ramp, it's flow. It's flow, baby. I can repeat that ramp. That's not flow. I feel like you can get at least three shots for flow. Yeah, I mean, flow. You realize how many games you could say have flow because they have one ramp that returns it to the flipper? Yep. Dude, no.
    119:20
    I like that game. You guys are, you know, just so wrong on that one. No. Well, technically, sales figures-wise, we're wrong. Yeah, but sales figures suck.
    119:32
    But I'm just saying, sales figures-wise, that is one of their biggest sellers, so you have to say it's one of their best games. Sales figures wise, Quicksilver and Stargazer suck. And Flight 2000 is the best Stern. Well, Meteor is the best Stern, which it may be.
    119:48
    It is second best. So there you go. I forget what the other is with those. It's Meteor, yeah, Flight 2000, I think Galaxy is like third. Yeah. Sales figures wise, Addams Family is the best WPC, and Black Rose is one of the worst. We all know that's the opposite. Agree. No, it's not one of the worst. Oh, it is. Oh, my God. I mean, it was literally the game that came out immediately after Addams Family, so, like, no one wanted any more games. They just all had Addams Family.
    120:16
    And if you go by sales numbers, I mean, Ghostbusters is one of Stern's greatest games ever. Yeah. I guess you can't always go by sales. No. What do you think is the worst-selling WPC? Gilligan's Island. No. Is it Shadow? Oh, no. No. No, no.
    120:40
    Shadow outsold Black Rose. Oh, wow. And Gilligan's Island. And Popeye. Oh, is it Cactus Canyon? Yeah, I guess I wouldn't count that one. No, I wouldn't count that at all.
    120:53
    It's got to be Safecracker, then. Yeah, Safecracker. 1,148 units. Interesting factoid. Then Champion Pub, and then Indy 500, which surprises me a bit. Yeah, Indy 500 was not at the end-to-end like the other ones were. And then whodunit.
    121:15
    Barely scraping in slightly above whodunit is Bugs Bunny's birthday ball, just to show it in that list. Bugs Bunny? That was WBC? No, it's not WBC, but just like it showed up in my list of 90s Williams games, but I love how it outsold whodunit. If you want to remind again that sales numbers mean absolutely nothing.
    121:36
    Ooh, Blackville's outsold Attack from Mars. Nice. I think I'm done. You've got shit to fix. I've got a lot of shit to fix. I've got to get the Batman back together, and then I've got to start working on some LN339 chips and some motors, which I'll probably do tomorrow now. I'll probably go home after this. After I get Batman, hopefully working. We'll find out. Stay tuned! It'll be perfect now, I'm sure. I hope. If not, it's going to be CPU board next. Yay. And then, Zach, you can bring Baywatch to Allentown. Use that in a tournament. No, I'm out of space in the truck now. Oh. I've already got to bring down three games.
    122:14
    Thank you for listening to Episode 127 of the Slam Tilt Podcast. We can be found on the Internet at slamtiltpodcast.com. Look in the upper right-hand corner. You'll see all the links to our wonderful Facebook link, our Twitch link, our YouTube link, our email address, which, by the way, is slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com. Bruce, don't you have some product that you sell? Some sort of lifter or tilter or helper?
    122:39
    www.pinballlifter.com. Come check us out. Use your brain, not your back. We have pinball lifters, helpers, tilters. I'm not going to be at the show because of my father, but I can bring stuff down and meet you at the show for Thursday and Friday. You're not going to be at the show, but you can meet him at the show. Yeah. In other words, he's not filling up the show. Okay. Yes. I was confused also. But Bruce is never confusing. He's always clear, concise, and easy to understand. So thanks to everybody. Thanks to Zach. He's here. Hi, Zach. Thanks to Steve, Fun With Bonus, Pinball Profile, Pinball Players Podcast, Mrs. Pin, Riptide Pinball Podcast, Raymond Davidson's new podcast, Do or Die Podcast, Fun With Bonus, I think I said that. We'll see you next time. Say goodbye, Bruce. Goodbye, Chris Koppenberg. Hold my mind, hold my mind Can you prove it, can you fly? Hold my mind, hold my mind Can you prove it, if you try? Hold my mind, hold my mind Can you keep me alive? Oh my
    124:26
    so thanks everybody see you next time say goodbye Bruce goodbye guys I wasn't ready I'm looking at something else hold on alright okay boys thank you yes edit hell thanks everyone bye Ron when you're done editing can you send me the time code of when I came in so I know when to stop that's fucking funny