Journalist Tool

Kineticist

  • HDashboard
  • IItems
  • ↓Ingest
  • SSources
  • KBeats
  • BBriefs
  • RIntel
  • QSearch
  • NName Review
  • +Health

v0.1.0

← Back to items

65: The Pinball Haberdashery

Pinball Party Podcast·podcast_episode·1h 10m·analyzed·Mar 13, 2024
View original
Export .md

Analysis

claude-haiku-4-5-20251001 · $0.037

TL;DR

ZapCon recap, Foo Fighters Expression Lights, and skeptical take on American Pinball's Barry O's Barbecue Challenge.

Summary

Jason hosts Pinball Party Podcast with guests Kale Hernandez and Rachel Bess from Electric Bat Arcade (Tempe, Arizona). The episode discusses games players never tire of (Foo Fighters Premium, Gorgar, Stargate), announces Foo Fighters Premium Edition Expression Lights accessory ($500), covers ZapCon convention experience, discusses new Jersey Jack Pulp Fiction machine at their arcade, and extensively reviews American Pinball's new Barry O's Barbecue Challenge game, which received mixed reactions for its $7,000 price point, underpowered flippers, and questionable market positioning despite decent shot geometry and code updates.

Key Claims

  • Foo Fighters Premium Edition Expression Lights will ship within a couple weekends at $500 cost

    high confidence · Jason checked with Zach Sharpe at Flippin' Out; Jason calls it worth the $500 cost and essential upgrade

  • Pulp Fiction has been at Electric Bat Arcade (Tempe) exclusively in Arizona for play

    high confidence · Jason states 'I think we're the only place you can play it in Arizona' in reference to Pulp Fiction; later confirmed by Kale/Rachel

  • Barry O's Barbecue Challenge released at $7,000 price point

    high confidence · Jason and guests explicitly state '7k' multiple times; guests note it's $1,000 cheaper than Jaws Premium but $1,000 more than Pulp Fiction

  • Pulp Fiction machine is mono audio, not stereo by default

    medium confidence · Jason had to ask David Thiel (audio designer) after Joel Engelhoff inquired via stream; they discuss how Stern pinball defaults to mono but can be wired stereo

  • Barry O's Barbecue Challenge shipped with minimal/no code initially, received code update Friday before ZapCon

    high confidence · Jason and Kale describe early gameplay as bare bones with no callouts, then states 'they updated code I think it was Friday before ZapCon'

  • ZapCon is more community-focused than Texas Pinball Festival, Pinball Expo, or California Extreme

    medium confidence · Rachel characterizes ZapCon as 'homegrown' and 'community based' vs other conventions which feel 'like Las Vegas conventiony' with more booths and vendors

  • Pulp Fiction has fleshed out rules after 6-year development cycle

    high confidence · Kale states 'they started this project, what, six years ago? So they had plenty of time to hammer out any speed bumps'

  • American Pinball's Barry O's Barbecue Challenge has underpowered flippers and spinner-on-ramp mechanics that reduce ball momentum

    high confidence · Jason and guests extensively discuss flipper power issues and note spinners on ramps cause additional inertia loss; guests suggest immediate flipper software adjustment needed

Notable Quotes

  • “I have never felt burnt out on Foo Premium Edition.”

    Zach Sharpe (email contributor) @ early episode — Core example of game with lasting appeal that doesn't get old; establishes Foo Fighters Premium as gold standard for replayability

  • “The Expression Lights $500, $4.99, worth it. Not even gonna blink. It makes the game.”

    Jason @ mid-episode — Strong endorsement of accessory, frames Expression Lights as essential upgrade not discretionary luxury

  • “This is its own monster. And it works.”

    Kale Hernandez (re: Pulp Fiction) @ post-ZapCon discussion — Distinguishes Pulp Fiction from recent major Stern releases (Jurassic Park, Avengers, Godzilla) as having unique identity; positive assessment

  • “It looks like a stripped down Hot Wheels. No, it's $7,000 and that's the kicker.”

    Rachel Bess @ Barry O's discussion — Directly challenges American Pinball's value proposition; connects to prior Hot Wheels criticisms and pricing concerns

  • “For $1,000 more, you can get a Pulp Fiction that comes with an amazing manual and support from the company.”

    Jason @ Barry O's pricing analysis — Damaging competitive comparison; shows Barry O positioned poorly in market; highlights support/manual quality as differentiator

  • “I want this to not be this. Is the best way for me to say it.”

    Jason (re: Barry O's Barbecue theme) @ theme discussion — Expresses deep ambivalence; acknowledges theme appeal while fundamentally questioning market viability and timing

  • “immediately you feel these underpowered laggy flippers. Great. Good.”

    Rachel Bess @ Barry O's mechanical critique — Sarcastic delivery of critical mechanical flaw; suggests fundamental design/execution issue affecting gameplay

  • “This thing is not going to do well. Right? Yeah, you wouldn't think so.”

    Jason and Rachel Bess — Blunt commercial assessment; both hosts express doubt about game's market performance despite acknowledging some positive elements

Entities

JasonpersonKale HernandezpersonRachel BesspersonZach SharpepersonRyan Tanner WalterspersonBrettpersonStraight Down the Middle: a pinball showmedia

Signals

  • ?

    product_strategy: Foo Fighters Premium Edition Expression Lights priced at $500 with shooter knob and art blades; positioned as essential upgrade making game 'complete'

    high · Jason: 'The Expression Lights $500, $4.99, worth it. Not even gonna blink.' Announced by Stern Pinball earlier same day

  • $

    market_signal: Barry O's Barbecue Challenge at $7,000 positioned directly below Jaws Premium ($8,000+) but directly above Pulp Fiction, yet Pulp Fiction receives superior market positioning, support, documentation, and reliability

    high · Jason: 'For $1,000 more, you can get a Pulp Fiction that comes with an amazing manual and support from the company.' Rachel: 'It'll work.'

  • ?

    product_concern: Barry O's Barbecue Challenge features spinners on ramps that cause excessive momentum loss, combined with underpowered/laggy flippers requiring immediate software adjustment

    high · Rachel: 'immediately you feel these underpowered laggy flippers.' Discussion of spinners on ramps losing inertia; guests suggest software flipper adjustment needed

  • ?

    venue_signal: Pulp Fiction machine at Electric Bat Arcade (Tempe, Arizona) appears to be only playable location in Arizona; generating significant player interest and wait lines despite recent release

    high · Jason: 'I think we're the only place you can play it in Arizona.' Kale: 'there's been multiple people wanting to play it and like waiting in line'

  • ?

    event_signal: ZapCon positioned as community-focused, homegrown pinball convention distinct from larger vendor/booth-heavy shows like Texas Pinball Festival, Pinball Expo, California Extreme

Transcript

groq_whisper · $0.211

0:00
Welcome to another edition of the Pinball Party Podcast. My name is Jason, your host for the current episode, the previous episodes, and most likely most of the future. But I won't be alone today. Figure it out. Bringinging back close buddies of the show, Kale Hernandez and Rachel Bess, Electric Bat Arcade fame KnappCampin, Tempe, AZone. We'll get him on soon. Before we do that, thank you to all the continued listenerships. Thank you for writing in. Thank you for the Patreon patrons. If you like the show, please find us on Facebook or Instagram, but honestly, more than anything, if you could rate the show on Apple or Spotify, just give it a five stars or a one star, whatever you think, half star, I don't give a shit. Just, that helps a lot of visibility and helps the show, Before we bring in the two besties of the show, I asked about are there games out there that somehow magically people just don't get sick of. I had a few people write in, I should say more than a few, but a couple that I wanted to read specifically. One was from Zach, surprising, too many Zachs in my life, that I'll just read some of it. What's up Jason? Hey, what's up Zach? Glad to hear the good news about your job. Oh yeah, thanks. I just, my first day was yesterday honestly and today is day two, lunch break, trying to record this and then we got to get to another meeting, drinking from the firehouse of a new job. He didn't say that, I said that. If he said that, that'd be weird. I'm going to go back to reading Zach's email here. My favorite game is Foo Fighters Premium. Oh man, going back to me here again. What good timing. I want to talk about the Foo Fighters accessories in just a second. Going back to Zach. My favorite game is Foo Fighters Premium. It's a game I have never been sick of playing, no matter what. I'm not someone who is lucky enough to own a pinball machine of my own, so I do go out to a lot of barcades and pinball halls to play pinball weekly. Every single time I'm out somewhere, I look to see if they have a Foo Premium. The Pro is one I don't play as much, and I feel like it misses some of the features that I really enjoy, but if there's a premium, I will always play it. Sure, there is times I get burnt out on playing pinball for a day. I just kind of get tired. My focus is lost or you know, I get too drunk, but I have never felt burnt out on foo premium.
2:31
All right, going back to Jason here talking. That's again. The timing is so fantastic, but of all modern recent Sterns and I guess by modern I mean within the last I'll just say Spike twos foo fighters is my favorite to it's hard to say that. Subtitles by the Amara.org community

  • Barry O's Barbecue Challenge artwork appears disjointed and done by multiple artists, contrasting with Galactic Tank Force quality

    high confidence · Kale notes art looks 'done by like five different artists' with 'photography and then some hand drawn stuff' and explicitly compares unfavorably to Galactic Tank Force's Christopher Franchi artwork

  • Proceeds from Barry O's Barbecue Challenge sales support Barry Osler's family

    medium confidence · Jason mentions 'the proceeds or some profits from this title are going to go to Barry Osler's family'; guests agree it's 'a smart move' and 'very nice gesture'

    • @ Barry O's viability discussion

  • “The drum kit anchors you... it's so ingrained instinctively for spatial awareness.”

    Jason (drummer, re: mono vs stereo audio) @ Pulp Fiction audio discussion — Expert technical perspective on audio design; explains why mono/stereo matters for drum-heavy games beyond casual listeners

  • “If it was the late 80s... 1992... let's do a barbecue game. Fucking A, let's do it.”

    Jason @ Barry O's theme viability discussion — Frames barbecue theme as anachronistic choice; suggests IP/licensing strategy misaligned with modern market realities

    • Electric Bat Arcade
    venue
    ZapConevent
    Foo Fighters Premium Editiongame
    Pulp Fictiongame
    Barry O's Barbecue Challengegame
    American Pinballcompany
    Stern Pinballcompany
    Jersey Jack Pinballcompany
    Galactic Tank Forcegame
    Hot Wheelsgame
    David Thielperson
    Joel Engelhoffperson
    Barry Oslerperson
    Don's Pinball Podcastmedia
    Jack Danger Zone Arcadeperson
    Flippin' Outcompany
    Vecennia Jordanperson

    medium · Rachel contrasts ZapCon's 'homegrown feel' with other shows that 'feel sort of more like Las Vegas conventiony' with 'a lot of booths and people selling stuff'

  • ?

    code_update: Barry O's Barbecue Challenge shipped with minimal/bare-bones code (no callouts, minimal rules); received code update Friday before ZapCon opening; early version unplayable, post-update version playable but still requiring refinement

    high · Jason: 'sent with basically no code... no call outs, nothing' and 'they updated code I think it was Friday before ZapCon and then so I got to play it again after that much better experience'

  • ?

    technology_signal: Pulp Fiction uses mono audio by default on Stern platform despite sounding excellent; can be wired to stereo but requires modification; affects hi-hat and drum separation perception

    high · Jason explains drummer's preference for stereo due to spatial awareness of drum kit layout; David Thiel confirmed mono default for Pulp Fiction

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Significant skepticism expressed about American Pinball's market strategy, with Barry O's Barbecue Challenge viewed as commercially unviable despite technical merit; concerns about design philosophy stuck in past licensing approaches

    high · Jason and Rachel express doubt: 'This thing is not going to do well.' Jason: 'I want this to not be this. Is the best way for me to say it.'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: American Pinball betting on original IP and designer-name recognition (Barry Osler) rather than major franchise licenses; questioned whether designer name recognition extends beyond hardcore community

    medium · Jason notes 'I'm into pinball if I'm doing a podcast. I don't care or know who this is.' Discussion of David Fix's belief in original IP success from 1992 era

  • ?

    business_signal: American Pinball positioned Barry O's Barbecue Challenge as benefiting Barry Osler's family through profit-sharing; framed by hosts as smart marketing move and charitable gesture despite commercial concerns

    high · Jason: 'the proceeds or some profits from this title are going to go to Barry Osler's family, which is awesome. That's a smart move.'

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Barry O's Barbecue Challenge features competent shot geometry with cool mechanics (dual saucers, drop target rakes, left/right ramps) and adequate playfield layout, but mechanical/code implementation undermines playability

    high · Kale/Rachel note 'The geometry of the shots is fine and it's kind of cool' and 'two saucers... cool' and multiball locking; but mechanics like spinners on ramps and flipper power negate these positives

  • ?

    community_signal: Growing grassroots effort to introduce pinball to younger generation through educational content (children's book Kickstarter) with teacher involvement; hosts calling for manufacturer financial support

    medium · Ryan Walters and Brett developing interactive pinball children's book; Jason encourages Stern/JJP to support: 'if anyone at Stern, Jersey Jack Pinball, get in there, toss some cash'

    • 3:22
    I'm actually really... Pick something about the game, I really love it. The only thing that I got bored of was never the shots or playing it. It was honestly more than anything the songs and I'm a Foo Fighters fan but any pinball machine that was a band pin or is a band pin I would get sick of the songs even if it was Neon Dale. Ugh! After a while, I don't want to fucking hear this song. Tool, same thing. I'm a little bit of a fan of the Foo Fighters. I did replace some of the Foo Fighters music with actually my own for a while and then kind of did a Tony Hawk soundtrack to it, which I think does really well. Next time I own it, and I will own it, again, for the Expression Lights on the premium, I want to put on songs that are just UFO-based. You know, aliens and shit. Aliens Exist by Blink-182. Uh, mate, pfft. What else? Please email in. What soundtrack are we gonna build for Foo Fighters Premium? Wanna get sick of the Foo Fighters? Nothing against them, but it's music. You wanna change it up. Email in your favorite UFO song. Let's build that fucker out together. If it's dog shit, I'm not gonna use that song, so thank you. But no thanks. But yeah, Zach, thanks for writing in on, uh, about a game that does not get, you do not get sick of. And, Foo Fighters is it. Josh, are there no sub $10,000 games that you have ever connected with? Seems like your constant consternation about having money tied up in pinball could be overcome by having less money tied up in pinball? Such a logical and good point that I rarely think of. I don't know if that's fair that I rarely think of it. I am just not really attracted to games that are under $5,000 and before you go, what the fuck? .
    5:44
    I had a buddy growing up who had one and that's one of the first games that I learned that there was more to pinball than hitting the flippers aside from Adam's Family and Attack from Mars and those. That was one where because we didn't have to pay credits, you know, he had in his bedroom, I could learn, oh, you get these planets and this is how you start multi ball and there's like a progression to it and I was like, pinball, pinball, you son of a bitch, you're going to get your hooks in me, huh? Not to say that... So he mentions Gorgar would be one of them for him. He mentions another, Stargate. Both around $3,000. For him, they do not bother me to go unused for even a month or more. Sure, I have a PFLE on order, Pulp Fiction, but if I had to choose one, it would be Gorgar. Is it Gorger or Gorgar? Buy a mile. I'm very happy that there's a lot of people out there that like these games because I don't. I don't want these games. Even the themes of ones. Superman is one of my long-term themes in my life that I will always be a Superman fan. I've always been, always will be. Star Wars, you know, stuff like that. It's one of those that's just like, it's staying with me until I'm on my deathbed. I'll like Superman. But the old Superman, that fucking game sucks shit. I don't want to play it. But the theme is a 10 out of 10 for me. An 11 out of 10. I'm not a fan of the Gorgar theme, but I have not played it. I shouldn't talk, but I can assume that I won't. Let me actually google Gorgar Pinball. It's so on my radar that I can't even think of it. Oh, it's the devil guy. That's funny. Yeah, no, that's cool. I like the sticker. Oh shit, I think I actually have a sticker of that guy's fucking head on something. You know what it's on? I have this briefcase. I'm looking behind me as I point. You can't see it, but it's in my closet. It's a red briefcase with a lot of
    7:48
    six inches deep. It's metal. It's a size of a fucking hefty briefcase full of Magic cards. I mean Magic the Gathering. It's got Magic the Gathering. It's got Star Wars customizable card game from Decipher. What else does it have in there? A little bit of Versus. �� о ah railway Station Denis 29 thickness получается Ginger Steulyc Peanutcontrolентовy clickedthis erst currentlyhandä etme рУсögніúжуюzyć SMSederя Korean I'm pretty sure I bought that shit at Hot Topic when I was like 12. Because, you know, that's what you do. Well, alright, so I'm looking at Gorgar the Pinball Machine on here. And I see the devil. So we're starting off good. It's got the devil. Not that I'm a Satanist, but you know, it's like, alright, that's cool. And it looks like he's got some chick in his hands. Okay, that's weird, that's cool, right? And the playfield, yeah, hey playfield, looks boring as shit. I don't know what to tell you. No offense to him, it's not that. Just, would it hold my interest? I don't know. Um, yeah, part of the downfall of pinball. Trying to judge a game based on a picture that I won't play, but to play it, I have to drive or find it. The barrier is high. Anyway, Gorgar and Stargate are his games. If not, Gorgar is the one. Thank you to everyone else who emailed in about the games that you don't get sick of. Now, if you don't mind, I'd like to put a highlight on something This is something that Tanner Walters is working on over in the Twin Cities. And I'm pointing again, about an hour and a half north. This dude is just killing it when it comes to helping a newer generation find out and learn about pinball. He emailed in early on in the pinball party tenure, I think before we were on the pinball network. Again, to all the new listeners, this The show's content is based on authentic content. The podcast started a couple years ago, a year and a half, I don't remember. And then we were on the Pinball Network for a while, good friends of the show, vice versa. So while there's not many episodes missing or something, there's a ton. Just go to the Pinball Network feed and you'll see a lot of Pinball Party episodes on there. For a peek behind the scenes there was a- I think I signed it, a contract that the episodes will stay on there for a year once someone would leave the network. brettdcrate Jr, Kate How to make pinball in a classroom. He's a teacher. And it was awesome cuz he uses pinball in the classroom to just like motivate and teach kids about pinball stuff, physics and all that. And now he's working on a new project with a buddy of his and they're in the final stages. They're making an interactive children's book about pinball and it's on Kickstarter. So if you take anything away from this, just look in the show notes for the Kickstarter and let's help make this book a reality. All of this is being made from volunteer time. They're not getting paid for it, hence the Kickstarter. But it, you know, if anyone Stern, JJP, get in there, toss some cash at this thing. I don't think pinball is going to just keep going with like, you know, just word of mouth, maybe, but stuff like this getting, let's hook them when they're young, right? Let's, let's treat it like cigarettes, right? Okay. This is the pinball cigarettes. We're going to hook these kids when they're young. So when they're older, they'll give Stern and JJP a bunch of money. Maybe not some of the other ones, but you know, those two, they're going to keep going. Anyway, go check out the Kickstarter. It's in the show notes. It's a pinball book, an interactive pinball book for kids. And this dude is This is legit. Tanyo Walters. Go check it out. Oh, and just a little side note slash update. They've added to the Kickstarter that they're going to be offering 100 copies to Project Pinball to give to families in need if the project gets funded. So just overall, all around, go check out the Kickstarter. It's an awesome cause. It is March 12th at 12pm with some minutes, but I'm not going to tell you what they are because who cares? Earlier today, Stern Pinball announced the Foo Fighters Let us summarized here. There's no like there's no upset me dancing with you there's no like Mason and i mean you're doing it copyrightfully okay lol I dare you to do business sneakers so we had to come out and connect the S bags now watch out once said that notion turns out all there are wires everywhere scream communicate�� Ice t Din't Bieber Thank You Jack Quezbron Borg I'm not going to go through all the details, but thank them please. The ExpressionLights are coming to the premium. Finally. Hallelujah. I would be happy there. It's a reason for me to get another Foo Fighters Premium. And I will, because I'm cool like that. And then I will sell it a week later. However, I will have it with ExpressionLights should they come out as they're supposed to. I did check with Zach at FlippinOut and he said it should be within a couple weekends. TheF посто, G душL accounts Pan-igla courageous, Don'tavi, Thank you for watching. Uh, difference. I am, uh, hopefully if you've listened to the show long enough, I, I'm pretty genuine with what I, my opinion, good or bad. The ExpressionLite's $500, $4.99, worth it. Not even gonna blink. It makes the game, it, it's already that. I don't want to make the kissy noise again. It's already one of my favorite games. Um, and, man, it's Man. And Jack, yeah, hey man, if you're listening, I know I messaged you the other day and told you, but seriously, it is such a good game. Ah, it is one of the most fun shooting games, and the challenge of the right ramp is perfect because it is hard to hit, but when you do, you feel so good. You feel like a million bucks. I've talked about Foo Fighters ad nauseum in previous episodes. Go check them out. I really think it's one of the best modern sterns. I think a lot of people do. It's so good. So as you can hear myself talking myself into texting Zach again at flipping out pinball to buy another one of these. I know I only mentioned the expression light so far. I think y'all should be excited. You should get them. Don't even think about the 500 bucks. It just makes the game complete. It's so good. Also a shooter knob. Expression lights and a shooter knob. The shooter knob is like the rocket on top of the rocket. I'm just going to go ahead and say this. I'm not going to give you the audio because I don't want to route all the stuff. Use black hole. Do you know what that is? No. It's a virtual audio device on a Mac that you use to route audio from YouTube into Logic Pro, but I'm not going to use it. Okay, it does change colors. The shooter knob does light up. Cool. All the other ones that do it's got a couple lights below it. It's acrylic. Yeah. All right So we got the shooter rod that lights up pretty sweet
    17:03
    Take to leave it. I'll take it for free for show And then there's art blades on the pro like well wait. What about the expression lights? Why not our blades on the premium? Well the expression lights on the premium basically come with our blades attached because it's Yeah Premiums you don have to worry about it If you getting expression lights the art blades are part of it The pro does not have the capability to do expression lights like Rush could or like I think Led Zeppelin could as well So you get just art plates and art plates look great Honestly I a proponent of art blades are just you have to have them They just come on. What are we doing here? So the expression lights are insta by art blades in the pro. It's an insta by shooter knob.
    17:50
    It's really cool that like the fins of the actual bomb look like something I'd want to like touch a little bit. пред estas los All of these are in the description box below the...Go check it out. The picture is worth a thousand words, the video is worth more and they're going to show more later. It looks really neat. Man. Topper looks great. Two grand. Probably won't buy it, because that's two grand. And then the side armor, which is reeeeeally well done. Go check it out, again I could talk about it, and I will briefly, but go look at it. Automatic 8 2 9 Kale Hernandez, and Rachel, what's up brah? and brah et. Yeah, I like a hardware compressor, you know what I'm saying? Fuck yeah. I do know what you're saying. Shit. Kale and Rachel. Are we live? Uh, no. You wanna be? Let's be live. Yeah, let's do it. Love to see it. God, you guys do look good though. How does it feel to look that good? Uh. Man. Feels good. It actually feels, I don't wanna rub it in, but it feels good, man. Right, that's cool. Cool. That's messy.
    19:49
    No 더, You're right. Okay. Finally, Thank you for coming. Yep. But even though you're on loads of Caffeine, you still fall asleep because you're exhausted from ZapCon. That's the case. Yes. We just wrapped that up. What an incredible weekend. Before we get to ZapCon, which Rachel, I think you like started, maybe not like started. It's your baby. I miss you guys.
    20:34
    Yeah, it's been a while. Shit. We miss you. We talk about you every day. Is that weird? Do I got to end this?
    20:41
    No, no. Knapp Arcade. Tim cabin for Kat emperor Conytw количество, John Papadiuk, Black Water, Kaneda's Pinball Podcast, Twippies Awards, transliteArin The electric bat I refer to. Yeah, it is, yeah. God, that's awesome. We haven't talked since, well, I guess you guys were on when we did the 12 days of balls, which was great.
    22:23
    We've texted various things that we cannot post publicly because we would get canceled or say, but some of that shit has been pretty funny. So thanks for sending it. You got it. I'm thinking of the wheelchair in the robot one, but you can use your imagination listeners. What? Oh yeah, it's fucked. It's totally fucked. Yeah, I don't see these. You should. We'll put it in the discord. You know Stephen Hawking, he's in the news for Not Great Shit.
    22:54
    Oh, the Epstein stuff? Yeah, so it's something to do with that. It's pretty funny. It's not funny, but it's pretty funny. Yeah. So yeah, check that out. Not safe for work, etc.
    23:06
    But since we talked, there's been so much pinball released. Yes, we've seen some of it. And you own some of it. Yeah. Labyrinth, Jaws. I mean Pulp Fiction has been technically released for a long time, but let's just say it's now it's recently released. I think we're the only place you can play it in Arizona. In Earth? Yeah, from what I understand. Arizona Earth. This Week in Pinball magnesuation. Q&A
    23:57
    And by throw it you mean you literally just like fucking toss it in there throw it in there Thank you to Zach at flippingoutpinball for hooking us up When I buy my pinball shit, I buy from flipping out. Oh wait, let me see it. When I buy my pinball shit, I buy from flipping out. From toppers, sharp blades, jameos, I've got it figured out. Flipping out, figured out. When I think of pinball, I think flipping out. Flipping out, figured out. I wasn't even going to play it, but since you're singing it. Winning wrong. I play softball. That's what I do. Thank you. And Zach thanks you as well from Flippin' Up Pinball. For sure. He had it delivered straight to the arcade. Fantastic unboxing. We did it early in the morning, so just Rachel and I were there, so nobody was asking us questions while we were trying to set this thing up. Like customers and shit. Yeah. Right. Piece of cake. I'm John Popadiuk, and I'll see you next week. Even early in the morning, there's been multiple people wanting to play it and like waiting in line.
    25:32
    It is people are really, really excited about this thing. They love the retro feel. You know, there's no LCD.
    25:42
    The game play then and casuals and experienced players are absolutely loving it. The rules are completely fleshed out. I mean, they started this project, what, six years ago? So they had plenty of time to hammer out any speed bumps. And, man, it's rocking. We, of course, we haven't been around the arcade too much for the past three days, just dropping in to fill the token machine. But it, so ZapCon's over. That's why we weren't at the arcade too much. And we rode to the arcade to grab some stuff, and Pulp Fiction was off. And we're like, oh, man, it's probably some kind of show stopping. How is this show over? Yeah, right. There's some kind of show stopping issue. The issue was the coin box is too full and it wouldn't take any more money. What a bummer! Right. So that has been a huge, absolute success. I learned something about Pulp Fiction, inadvertently. The pinball machine, I speak of. I want to ask you this question. How does it sound? It sounds amazing. Really? And people have mentioned it. All of the sound effects, the callouts, everything sounds. Dude, even the light show. People are commenting on all that stuff. The light show sounds great. Yeah. What? Well, okay. Let's just roll with it. I would have surprised you to know that it's mono and not stereo? Yeah. Asking David Thiel, who did the audio for it, because Joel from Triple Drain and Flippin' On All That Kind of Shit, go listen to Triple Drain Podcast and just another pinball podcast, Joel Engelhoff. He was doing a stream of it and he's like, hey, I don't know if this game is stereo or mono, but I got to get the audio for the stream. Can you ask David what it is? I was like, yeah, I'm sure it's fucking stereo because I've heard it in real life and it sounds incredible. Thanks for watching.
    28:12
    Do you know about pinball gamble? I'm going to answer. When I've had Lord of the Rings in the past, and White Star by default is mono, but if you put a pin sound in there, it's by default mono, but if you wire it stereo, you can get stereo even though the audio is different, you can hear the difference between a mono and a stereo signal from, what is that, four feet away and as you say about a foot apart. It doesn't make much of a difference with like sound effects or kind of just like whatever callouts and things. Right. But I notice when I've talked about before, I'm a fan of the Metallica remake. Number one, more than anything, is to have it stereo. Because in SAM systems, you can't get stereo audio. Because I've noticed from... I think it's the drummer and myself and you, probably Kale, it's hi-hats more than anything. But I... From mixing and stuff, I notice drums when they're mono more than anything. And it really... It just doesn't... Yeah. So, can you notice? Yeah, maybe not to everyone, but I really notice, especially music. Timing and Subtitles by the Amara.org community
    29:49
    I'm a drummer and why I said that specifically is like when you're sitting at a drum set and you have high hats to your left most people are left-handed or right-handed drummers it become and in hi-hat is like I mean the bass drum anchors you with a hi-hat does just as much so when you grow up lab for me personally like it just becomes this thing of like it's so ingrained instinctively for spatial awareness of coordination of where sounds are coming from because you stop using visually a lot of LIN risking Internet.com
    30:49
    Kevin הזה, благаб Liebe, Ich bin der Kauf & miskýchăー™ Dios différents palabras gõn sotto tam 신랑고 있습니다 영행 다시 자랑하ULL 식것도 That's it, it's been a while.
    31:36
    In the grip relief of the in the grip arche Eh yeah there Hi, the where the I are aff equilibrium nevertheless doesn't fuck next work a to the on and or and one of editor Yep, people are playing the shit out of it. It's a lot of fun. You can tell that the code still needs some work. There's some stuff there that they need to flesh out. But, you know, that's all. The shots feel really fun. Yeah, and it feels very, very, and this is a good thing. It does not feel like Jurassic Park. It doesn't feel like Avengers. It does not feel like Godzilla. This is its own monster. And it works. It has some cool, some incredibly cool shots, both in the pro and the premium. We got a chance to play the premium at ZapCon, but we have the pro at the arcade and both are fantastic machines and you can't go wrong with either one. We keep mentioning this, so maybe just let's tackle it. This is the best way to market something and promotional material is after the event, go Mark
    33:35
    I'm going to be talking about the Pinball and Arcade convention, which is a big convention center at the Mesa Convention Center. Lots of unique machines there this year, so that was really fun, both on the video game side and the pinball machine side. ...
    34:31
    I'm a fucking loser. Shit. Feel bad that you weren't there. Go search it out. So it's the standard pinball arcade, which seems to be most of the pinball conventions. Is it compared to like TPF? I assume it's like, is it as big as that? Much smaller. Okay. No. Well, it's different than that, right? All of the different conventions have different from fibonacci marketed ing and fat universal and le tots lilow X 2 3 4 1 2 4 5 4 5 6 4 7 8 9 10 6 9 10 11 I mean it has a little bit of everything TPF is an amazing show ZapCon is really more of a big community show The games all come you know some people bring one game I mean I guess it like that at all shows but it really feels like much more community based than a lot of the other ones but that could also be because it is the community in which I exist And so I you know I might be 춘 I get us inều Vedon Prest, Sheth The show is like the like Expo in Chicago, TPF, California Extreme, which which feel more like, you know, they have a lot of booths and people people selling stuff. And you know, they more feel sort of more Las Vegas conventiony. So this is definitely one of the still where it's a very homegrown feel to the whole event. Well, speaking of home... It's not big enough to be like, you know, it's... there's several hundred machines on there, so it's, I mean... Yeah, oh, there's plenty. You never had a loss of anything to do throughout the weekend. It's a blast. Well, from the pictures you were sending, Cale, yeah, that's why, like, it looks big. It looks really nice. But you kept mentioning homegrown. And speaking of homegrown, I'm just going to show you this picture that you sent me. There's a very homegrown game maker out there with a very homegrown theme, which I would say is in running for the worst theme in all of pinball. You know, no shade Throne, just tossing it out there. The fuck is this? So first you should describe the picture you just put up so that people who are listening can understand that you just showed a picture of me. I did. That Kale took without me. Kale is really good at taking pictures of me with extreme facial expressions and I have no idea that he's taking photos. And so it was me pointing at something on the new American Pinball. Hot new title from American Pinball. Barry O's Barbecue... Challenge. Is that challenge? Okay. Yeah. From the famous movie and licensed TV show, Barbecue Sauce or something. So before we even get into it, I want to share something funny that happened on the first day of the show. Barry O, obviously to us, is Barry Osler, a noted pinball designer. But almost nobody outside of hardcore pinball fans know who he is, especially when he's referred to as Barry O. Myself included. Tim registains Have traders and
    38:28
    icional That would be awesome. After arugula gate or whatever. Shit. This sucks because like I want this to not be this. Is the best way for me to say it. Like I like barbecue. Yeah. I think if pinball was huge and the financials of pinball was just like yeah, video games is not even a good comparison because they're laying off everywhere and doing like shit too. If it was the late 80s, I don't know, when was pinball just the most flourishing? It's like, oh, let's fucking try a barbecue. 1992, we'll say. 1992.
    39:22
    Let's do a barbecue game. Fucking A, let's do it. I like barbecue. I like the homegrown thought of it. I really like. We'll call it diner.
    39:32
    I like everything about this. The fact that it's about barbecue, it's cool, it's kitschy, it's fun. I totally get the appeal. Right. I don't want to say the word smart, not to be insulting, but this thing is not going to do well. Right? Yeah, you wouldn't think so. I think this is a combination of David Fix being kind of stuck in the past. He's been on podcasts and talked about how, look how well original IPs did back in the day. Why can't they do well now? All these things that are happening in the world of pinball, I think it's a little misguided there, but I think we all get where he's coming from. Then I think they're also banking on Barry O's name because apparently the proceeds, if there are any... Yeah, but no one in pinball, even the people who are going to buy this, I didn't even know who it was. It's a fun thing to do, so I like to do it. I don't know how it works. I don't know how to do it. I'm not sure if I can do it, but I think it's a fun thing to do. I would say I'm into pinball if I'm doing a podcast. I don't care or know who this is. No offense. The folks that don't know, they say that the proceeds or some profits from this title are going to go to Barrio's family, which is awesome. That's a smart move. Very cool. Very smart move and very nice gesture. Yes. We were super surprised that when this thing came through the roll door, our friend purchased it and he rolls it in and we were like, oh my, we had no idea it was coming or at least I didn't. Well, as soon as they announced it, it seemed like everyone, like Don's Pinball Podcast already had a video and was playing it and like, holy shit. Yeah, that was the situation. They sent it out to a couple, they had some folks sign some NDAs, sent it out earlier in the week and then let them reveal it after they announced the game. It just so happened to coincide with ZapCon. So it was very cool that Jordan, Danger Zone Arcade, brought it out and we could all see it. And one cool thing, another cool thing was that, you know, it sent with basically no code, right? It was there were no call outs, nothing. It was very, very bare Bones. And so I played it like that and it was the experience that you would think that would be, you know, shots aside. It was just like pinball. It turns out it really kind of needs some sort of rule set and code and things to make it fun. Yeah, then they got updated code. I think it was Friday
    42:08
    Before the show and then so I got to play it again after that Much better experience, okay It was I think the it's funny in in that sort of
    42:25
    Tongue-in-cheek, you know, it's yelling at you to to make some pork We're going to talk about the artwork. Yeah, it talks about meat sweats and all that stuff. So the look of it, okay, when our friend pulled it in and set it up, we were like, okay, Americans trolling us now. You thought it was a joke game is what you were saying? Yeah. I mean, the artwork looks so disjointed, like it was done by like five different artists. Like there's some photography and then some hand drawn stuff. You know, this is definitely not a Chris Franchi thing. Yeah, dude can draw. Yeah, I mean, Galactic TankForce looks amazing. So good. This doesn't, but... And, you know, there were people making comments like, well, you know, I mean, barbecuing's about smoking and all they're showing on here is grilling. But so...
    43:20
    The geometry of the shots is fine and it's kind of cool. The way you get a multi ball there are two scoops, not scoops, saucers. There's one on the left, one on the right. And that's where you lock your balls and then you hit like a right orbit to actually start the multi ball. But you can you can lock a ball from a skill shot, which was kind of cool, into the left saucer. There are there are there are drop targets in and in a kind of like the right orbit. So you have you can kind of like an inner orbit. Yeah, you can kind of like rake them to hit all of them. That was kind of cool. Oh, that's neat. And on the left and right, there are these two posts that are topped with like little swirly plastics. There's like hot sauce and mild sauce. Yeah, and you hit those. And two ramps. The one thing that doesn't make any sense, they put spinners on the ramps, which you would think, oh, that's super cool. Yeah. But you're hitting a ramp, which you're already losing inertia, and then you're losing more Bill Mirek,
    44:50
    I think the idea of spinners on ramps is cool. Right. Also juice up the... The flippers. Yeah, immediately you feel these underpowered laggy flippers. Great. Good. So I wonder, we didn't look, not our machine, if in software side you can pump those up? Oh, thanks. I mean you have... I would think so. You've been able to in like Hot Wheels and stuff. Yeah, do that immediately. Oh, and that's another thing. I'm sure you've seen the images. This looks like a stripped down Hot Wheels.
    45:48
    No, it's $7,000 and that's the kicker. I think they released this game at 7k going, oh, we'll catch those people that don't want to buy a, you know, a Jaws Premium and Elton John or whatever, but here's the kicker. It's $7,000. For $1,000 more, you can get a Pulp Fiction that comes with an amazing manual and support from the company. Yeah, and it'll work. I mean, yeah. Yeah, so. Also, to be fair, the game worked. It didn't have any galactic tank force issues where they just, you know, that I saw or heard about. I asked him. I don't know if you were there, but when, okay, so American sent them code at some point in the show and they updated the machine and everything worked except the flippers. loh beyond afghan
    46:56
    parchment counterpoint じゃ non We're going to talk about the show. I can't tell you. Okay, so at our booth we had Game Room Goodies, ElectricBat and Stern all in one booth. We had a line of Sterns all connected to Insider Connected. We had monitors, GameRoomGoodies brought out brand new monitors and devices where we had the live leaderboards. Mike Vinacore was there from Stern and he made the convention center a, what's it called, like an actual verified location. Yeah, verified location, so everybody scores one, up and up, they like that. There were, it was a line of Sterns that you can play anywhere. They were constantly full of people and there were people waiting to play them the whole damn time. Every time I'd walk over to the booth with, they had a Galactic Tank Force and this brand new Tank version. Yeah, and a brand new barbecue game that nobody's seen before. So many times there were actually, there was like one person playing it, lots of times nobody playing it. That even blew my mind. You know, no matter what, you know, this is a brand new game. You would think everybody would be checking it out and it just wasn't the case. There was very little interest in the game. Undesigned
    49:02
    Yeah, I was really surprised that there was not a long line of people just wanting to test out Barbecue Challenge. Yeah, like brand, brand new. Not like, oh, it's been out for a couple weeks. Like it was announced yesterday. You sent me a video. Here it is. What a cool thing that you get to play it. How often do you get to play something like the day you find out about it? Almost never. So maybe that speaks to how good it's going to do. We'll see. It sucks. So the comments that I heard from people, you know, Cale and I were obviously not around it together as much. I heard and I asked, I asked people when they were playing every time I'd be over there and it was somebody that I knew and be like, what did you think? Like, oh, that was fun. No, it was fun. I bet it would be. Yeah. And our buddy who brought it, he, you know, he obviously paid for it. The only thing that was notable that he was excited about is that you can apparently put your own commercial on the display. Oh, so for people having it in their barbecue shop. Right. But you're already there. They can advertise ZapCon afterwards. Right. ZapCon. Right. Yeah. Yesterday's special. Yeah. Can we not talk about that anymore? Because I don't... It's just not. Okay. Can I ask you about Venom? Just to really whiplash you here. You mentioned Insider Connected. I was at the local repository. Pinball repository. Yeah, yeah. At the... What do they say? What's the word? Huh? I don't know what word you're looking for. I'm trying to... Haberdashery, thank you. I was at the local pinball haberdashery and I was there 2 p.m. No one's there. I was just going to... Checking out their wares. Just checking out what you got, you know?
    51:18
    I'm going to probably play Jurassic Park is what I'm thinking in my head. I run into a couple of the cooks. One of the cooks I actually knew from a previous life. I'll see you in a day.
    51:55
    Paul Verda, I like some of the shots, but it just doesn't tickle me that much. That to someone who I know is deeply into video games, very much, not a noob, but new to pinball, he's gravitating very much towards the other video game aspect of like, I can save my progress. So that's what he plays when he's on break all the time. And I found that not even like interesting. I found that very believable. Like yeah I thought that would be the way I you know and from what I can see from Jaws I haven fucking played it This Week in Pinball Game of Thrones unemployartwork panel in backbox Translated instruve
    53:07
    traffic. Terms of conversation. Terms of conversation. Tim McCarver, That's really appealing to some to some folks. I think the license, whatever, you know, it earns for what you say, as I would expect, like, it's fine. But I really don't want them to think that the maybe not as expected sales for that game should make have them stop in any way doing that save progress thing. Because right. They want to go to the market, get the video game people. All right, guys, thanks for tuning in. We'll see you next time. I think the teeth you can use to open certain things in the game.
    55:11
    But well that may be it but I thought that was also how you moved from mackerel You know you bring to fish people that know more about this game will know more right in to a party Yeah, call Jason prefer to am here's his phone number
    55:28
    Just give me a call Not that busy I mean, one other thing about Venom is, man, and I said this when we first got it, it just looks cool as shit. It does. It's some of Zombie Yeti's best work. Also, on the display, the animations, I mean, it all fits together and it looks super cool. I have a question for you two that I'm looking back in my notes. This is from mid 2023 that I never asked you. If someone made an offer to buy Electric Bat Arcade with a stipulation that you would keep five games, you know, you're a billionaire. See you later. You don't get any. You don't get to come here anymore. And I'm dropping on dropping this on you with no context. What five games would you hoeve borbetwatching absurdity where the
    56:38
    Gou privileh grant four games toJuggling got barberries coraz at Jennifer the him So we said Andromeda, right? Yeah. Andromeda, Godzilla.
    56:59
    Well, we said five games each in there. So we were kind of like using each other's five to make sure. Because I said Joker poker. I love Joker poker.
    57:14
    But Godzilla for sure. Yeah, Joker poker, Godzilla. Andromeda, I think he's saying Andromeda because we just have a beautiful Tandy PhoenixоАN″9D What game would you want to go play right now? Probably Pulp Fiction, right? Yeah. Damn. I would alternate between Pulp Fiction and Joker Poker. Damn. And Jaws, I'm still— Yeah, Jaws. —I wanna learn that game. Yeah. Hmm. But some of those are hard—like Pulp Fiction and Jaws, it's kind of a tricky question because it's, you know, they're less than a month old. Pulp Fiction, probably because of the theme and the way it looks, it just seems argentico개� 영화 classic supporting morningstar-storyp nawah call time Timing and Subtitles by the Amara.org community I'm not like, I fucking hate Pokemon. I just wasn't in that age group that got into it. I like that it's popular. I like, I wish I was. Yeah. You guys are the same. We're kind of too old to have naturally come across Pokemon. But I love the idea of it. I like that there's little monsters and you collect them. That is very, very, very appealing to me. Well, I have a library. I have over 1,000 books. I counted them the other night. And the cutoff for a library, you have to have more than 1,000 to be a library. And I do. So that's how we've turned Pinball Party Podcast into library podcast. Congratulations. Yes, here we go. 10,000. What was it? 20,000 leagues under the sea. I have that. Have you read that? I haven't read it. I've wanted to. I haven't read it. I've seen the movie. Yeah. Let's... You know, I saw that movie. I saw that movie at an indoor screening at the wave pool, which is an indoor wave pool thing when I was a kid. So that was a really cool experience. You're floating around. You're in the water and they're showing the water move. That would have been... Jaws would have only... That would have been a great way to see Jaws too. Do you think people still pee in the pool as much as like I did when I was a kid? Yeah, 100% because we were at a party. Yeah, we were at a friend's party. I guess that was last summer. And there's a bunch of adults in the pool. And then the guy who owns the pool walked out and he was like, guys, we've been, you guys have been in the pool for four to five hours and I've been bringing you guys beer and not one of y'all has left the pool. Inside I'm a little confused at why you were having a karate tournament in the pool. Is this some kind of like... I'll start because I'm getting up. Where are all my peopleoriented policy ...
    62:27
    A playbook. I'm a fan of the Pinball Party Podcast. Call Jason at 2 a.m. Call me. I'll put my number in the show notes. Fuck it. Call me. Anytime. And if I'm not available, try again. I'll pick up. We'll talk. Fuck. Alright, so your five games Andromeda, Joker Poker, Godzilla, Pulp Fiction. Maybe Attack from Mars would be the fifth. That's safe. Not a remake though. We want an original. Yep. What's on the... I think, I think it really, it really changes, you know, you just, you kind of get, you know, you get in a groove with the game and like, wow, I didn't know this game was so good. Right. And, you know, one week you might ask me and it might be hot dogging. Yeah. I mean, it also changes because, and everybody talked about this at the, at ZapCon, you know, when you're hanging out with the hundreds of other pinball fans. Next to the barbecue machine. What a, what a great time to be in pinball. I mean, there are tons of great games coming out there. I'm talking about the industry that almost died. This is what a cool time to be here and be into it. I'm looking forward to Jersey Jack this year. No offense Stern. I'm sure they're going to make some great shit. And from what I hear, they still are. But save your money. What's going on coming up for you guys soon? What do you got going on? ZapCon in 364 days or something? Roughly. Tuesday night tournaments. Tuesday night league has gotten out of control and now we're between 110 and 120 people every Tuesday night. That's a lot. And it's, it's, I feel like it just keeps getting more and more and more fun.
    64:46
    It's a lot of toilet paper. Uh, you know, it probably is. Yeah. Tuesday's tournaments, Electric Bat Arcade. You got a cast coming up? Probably. But cast. Yeah, we'll do so tomorrow. We have to, yeah, we're still, we're still doing some work for cleaning up from ZapCon today. And tomorrow we have to head to Flagstaff, but, uh, you know, probably this weekend we might Recording something. Yeah, Wednesday Flagstaff Tuesday tournament the parties We booked our Expo hotel. Are you guys going this year? Yeah speaking at Expo that reminds me that I need to book our Expo hotel. Are you? What are you speaking English or English? probably Yeah about about indie arcade year of us Aizawa time at tun���cient 거예요 N fun time P sentir Ranch, Weekend at au connectors 2019 Weekend at auña, быстр看 murdered Optionshhhh Please. Are they going to let Kaneda come to this one? Oh, probably not, right? Seems like he's, can't he be unbanned yet? Yeah, how long does that? Is this a permabank? Probation. I don't know.
    66:53
    Maybe. I mean, there's a lot of people there that have done way worse, I bet. Maybe. Bunch of pool poopers. Yeah. Gross.
    67:02
    Well, I'll see you there. Dana was just, when we were mentioning earlier of like, we were measuring how often we think Tanyo Klyce, The Tanyer
    67:35
    • It's a power pool and spa. Okay. And the gym's modern. It's very cool. Well, let's get a bunch of T and TRT trend. Yeah. Just lift. Just, yeah. Let's get swole. Walk around just totally jacked. Yeah. Dude. Yeah, me too, guys. Yeah, yeah. Get Rach in there, get some back acne and just veins. Yeah. Maybe a beard. Pinball fuckers. Yeah. And then we'll bell heckle you. Yeah. That'll be fun. Let's get swole. All right. Well, thanks for stopping by YouTube. See you next time. Dan Kelbah, Taylor Heaven, David Van Es, Corn coe, Ricky P Sheila, Thanks to porteaa, St, Michael Cooper, Justin Belk, Sam운 Done색, T. Biwa attractive, Cool Sett Wohn off main with you. Contact us at space выш인무신, Crossaha, Why Bluji, Bates, complicado コtek시아에는 에요 빌 cholito and It's a far cry from what I've gone down. It's a far cry from what I've learned. Such a far cry from what we've taught now. ว Except ב
    69:21
    In the middle on vacants, gone from head down to toe. And it's a far cry from what I thought now. It's a far cry from what I learned. Jazed, Jonathan, Kal BorJust, Dee Narein, Micheal La��, Edward tentang Pinball bins Fehsouchog Subtitled by Jasee