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The Pinball Show Ep 149 BONUS: 2024 Texas Pinball Festival: What To Expect, How We Experience Conventions, & Whether The Show Will Be A Boom Or Bust

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TL;DR

TPF 2024 preview: fewer games, Twippies fallout, and concerns about a slower year for pinball.

Summary

The Pinball Show hosts discuss expectations for the 2024 Texas Pinball Festival, covering manufacturer booths, game availability, and broader industry sentiment. They debate whether TPF will remain the premier show versus Chicago Pinball Expo, attribute some decline to the Twippies award ceremony controversy, and express concern about a potential down year for pinball game releases overall. The hosts also discuss the complex dynamics of being a content creator while also operating as a distributor in a tight-knit community.

Key Claims

  • Pinball Brothers announced ABBA as their next game, likely revealed in April at Texas Pinball Festival.

    high confidence · Hosts discuss helicopter imagery on teaser; speculation about ABBA Arrival album cover and MASH helicopter; confirmed ABBA will NOT be physically displayed at TPF.

  • Texas Pinball Festival 2024 will be a down year compared to 2023, with fewer games on display.

    high confidence · Direct statement: 'I think this is kind of a down year for Texas Pinball Festival... I'm going to lean into it even more... I think there's going to be a down year for pinball.'

  • Chicago Pinball Expo will be stronger than TPF in 2024, potentially becoming number one show again.

    medium confidence · Hosts assess: 'I think this year is Texas pinball getting bumped down to number two. I think Chicago Pinball Expo takes the reins as number one again.'

  • The Twippies award ceremony controversy negatively impacted TPF's draw and reputation.

    medium confidence · Discussion of Twippies: 'Some of that, I think, is associated to the whole Twippy controversy... TPF chose to pull the plug on having a live ceremony.'

  • American Pinball will display Barrio's BBQ Challenge at TPF 2024.

    high confidence · Direct confirmation: 'American Pinball. You can play Barrio's BBQ Challenge. I'm looking forward to that.'

  • Stern Pinball will showcase Foo Fighters accessories at TPF, but no new games.

    high confidence · Hosts state: 'Stern Pinball is going to have the Foo Fighters... That's pretty cool.'

  • Spooky Pinball will have a large booth with multiple Looney Tunes games at TPF.

    high confidence · Direct statement: 'Spooky Pinball is going to have a big old booth. They're going to have a lot of Looney Tunes.'

  • Multimorphic will unveil Princess Bride as a new P3 game, likely at TPF.

    high confidence · Hosts discuss: 'Princess Bride's a good theme, but it's multi-morphic P3' and 'I'm looking forward to playing Princess Bride.'

Notable Quotes

  • “I don't know if I'm going yet. I may be there. If you see me, listeners, then say hello. Just commit.”

    Dennis (host)@ 6:38 — Sets tone for the episode—host is genuinely undecided about attending TPF even while recording preview content, which frustrates co-host.

  • “I think this is kind of a down year for Texas Pinball Festival... I think this year is Texas pinball getting bumped down to number two. I think Chicago Pinball Expo takes the reins as number one again.”

    Dennis (host)@ 19:49 — Major industry signal: assertion that 2024 represents a shift in which major convention is the premier show.

  • “That ceremony was really bad. It was so bad that I know it wasn't realistic, but honestly, someone should have probably gone up and pulled the plug on it during the event.”

    Dennis (host)@ 22:20 — Candid critique of past Twippies ceremony quality; reflects industry sentiment about the award show's decline.

  • “People getting to the point of developing an actual product and releasing a product that I would have killed at stage two happened so frequently in this industry that, yeah, sure. Why not?”

    Dennis or Zach (host)@ 17:01 — Critique of industry pattern where underdeveloped games proceed to production/public display.

  • “I relish those opportunities. I love the awkward. I roll around in the awkward. It makes me feel good.”

    Unidentified host@ 13:57 — Reveals mindset: content creator enjoys tension between critical coverage and industry relationships.

  • “I don't sell their products. It's not my job to make them look good or bad. I always try and be fair with how I judge my game experiences.”

    Host discussing role as content creator@ 13:18 — Explanation of editorial philosophy; positions host as independent voice distinct from distributor role.

Entities

DennispersonZach SharpepersonTexas Pinball Festival (TPF)eventChicago Pinball ExpoeventStern PinballcompanyAmerican PinballcompanyMultimorphiccompanySpooky Pinball

Signals

  • ?

    event_signal: Hosts predict Chicago Pinball Expo will surpass Texas Pinball Festival as the number one show in 2024, reversing the traditional hierarchy.

    high · Direct assertion: 'I think this year is Texas pinball getting bumped down to number two. I think Chicago Pinball Expo takes the reins as number one again.'

  • ?

    event_signal: Twippies award ceremony decision to cancel live ceremony attributed as contributing factor to TPF's declining draw; ceremony quality degraded over successive years.

    medium · Discussion of Twippies cancellation and poor prior ceremony experiences: 'Some of that, I think, is associated to the whole Twippy controversy... the ceremony was really bad.'

  • $

    market_signal: Hosts expect 2024 to be a down year for pinball with fewer game releases and less activity overall.

    high · Explicit statement: 'I think there's going to be a down year for pinball... I think this is kind of a down year for Texas Pinball Festival.'

  • ?

    machine_intel: Multimorphic's Princess Bride P3 game is upcoming; hosts express skepticism about P3 adoption due to previous Weird Al's 3D printed mechanics and pricing concerns.

    high · Discussion of P3 viability: 'Princess Bride's a good theme, but it's multi-morphic P3... I just don't know that a lot of people are going to...'

  • ?

    product_concern: Elements game from Pinball Adventures was not ready for public display at Pinball Expo but was shown anyway to honor commitment; generated significant complaints.

    high · Direct quote: 'Elements, that was probably the game I heard the most complaints about at Expo. It really wasn't ready to be shown to people, but the decision was to keep the promise.'

Topics

Texas Pinball Festival 2024 expectations and booth lineupsprimaryRelative standing of TPF vs Chicago Pinball Expo as premier conventionprimaryIndustry decline: fewer game releases anticipated in 2024primaryTwippies award ceremony controversy and impact on TPF brandprimaryContent creator editorial independence vs. distributor relationship conflictssecondaryManufacturer-media dynamics and community politics at conventionssecondaryVenue logistics and facility quality affecting convention experiencesecondaryPinball Brothers ABBA game reveal timing and theme speculationsecondary

Sentiment

mixed(0.35)— Hosts are cautiously optimistic about individual game releases (Princess Bride, Barbecue Challenge, Looney Tunes) but express significant concern about the broader 2024 landscape being a 'down year.' Frustration directed at TPF's logistics, the failed Twippies ceremony, and production quality on emerging games. Skepticism about Multimorphic P3 market viability. Appreciative of manufacturers engaging respectfully, but tension evident around dealer-manufacturer relationships and editorial credibility. Overall pessimism dominates the industry outlook discussion.

Transcript

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0:00
Warning, the following episode contains adult language and screaming goats. Listener discretion is advised. The Pinball Network is online. Launching the Pinball Show. Thanks again for the ongoing support as a Pinball Show Club member. Enjoy this exclusive TPS content and make sure to visit the Pinball Show Club Discord to chat about the bonus material.
0:30
What helicopter is that? Yeah, I'm wondering. Because it's not a military helicopter, I don't think. I wanted to do a... Is there a Google image? Yeah, I wanted to do a Google image search. Even the... They use the... Why would they use the Stranger Things font? That's weird. All right, that's a 1966 Bell 47D1 helicopter, maybe. That's what a lot of people seem to think it is
1:01
You know what Some are I've also seen some people claiming ABBA Because they had a helicopter like that As one of their album covers With them in the So bad Here let me see if I can give you the Image of it Because it's not It wasn't like a one for one I was hoping for But there you go ABBA's Arrival album It doesn't It's that. That's what it is. Do they really make ABBA?
1:32
All they do is music, Fitz. That's all they do. That's all they know. Why would they ever think that's a good idea? Dancing Queen. Breaking news, Zach. Pinball Brothers, while we're recording, announced ABBA. Maybe? Why don't people like money? I don't care. Abba, isn't there that musical, that Mamma Mia? Yeah, Mamma Mia. Mamma Mia, the musical, isn't it?
2:04
  • Elements game had significant complaints at Pinball Expo and was not ready for public display.

    medium confidence · Direct quote: 'Elements, that was probably the game I heard the most complaints about at Expo. It really wasn't ready to be shown to people.'

  • Pinball Adventures/Ninja Eclipse developer may attempt production but has uncertain path to profitability.

    medium confidence · Discussion of Ninja Eclipse: 'Does he see a path to making profit at this point? ... Things looked different when everything, even when it sucked, sold during the pandemic.'

  • “I had to drive two miles minimum to do anything for Chicago every meal, every trip everything it was super tedious.”

    Dennis (host)@ 24:35 — Illustrates importance of venue logistics and walkability to convention experience and preference.

  • “The first year, like the year you and Greg did it, was like the high watermark for the Twippies.”

    Co-host@ 21:05 — References specific Twippies iteration; suggests ceremony peaked early and declined afterward.

  • company
    Barrels of Funcompany
    Pinball Brotherscompany
    Chicago Gaming Companycompany
    Princess Bridegame
    Barrio's BBQ Challengegame
    ABBAgame
    Foo Fighters (pinball)game
    Looney Tunes Chainsaw Massacregame
    Labyrinthgame
    Elementsgame
    Ninja Eclipsegame
    James Bond 60th Anniversarygame
    The Twippiesevent
    Weird Al (Multimorphic game)game
    Greg Boneperson
    Tonyperson
  • ?

    community_signal: Negative community sentiment regarding Barrels of Fun's George Spelman marketing campaign; widely disliked in community.

    high · Host statement: 'I still really, really strongly dislike that entire campaign. Oh, my gosh. Everybody hates it so much. It's a thing.'

  • ?

    industry_signal: Complex dynamics between content creators who are also distributors: manufacturers pull creators aside to discuss critical coverage; some friction over balanced critique vs. allegiance.

    high · Extended discussion of interactions where manufacturers engage hosts about critical podcast commentary; manufacturers express concern about dealer criticism contradicting industry norms.

  • ?

    venue_signal: Chicago Pinball Expo facility creates logistics challenges (non-carpeted floors, multi-mile distances between venues); TPF has walkability advantage but overcrowding issues.

    medium · Detailed complaints: 'I had to drive two miles minimum to do anything... The floors, they're not carpeted it hurt to walk.'

  • ?

    machine_intel: Pinball Brothers to announce ABBA game in April; teaser imagery shows helicopter, possibly referencing ABBA Arrival album cover or MASH TV show.

    high · Hosts discuss teaser: 'Pinball Brothers, while we're recording, announced ABBA... April is when Pinball Brothers is unveiling their next game... it's teased as a helicopter.'

  • ?

    product_strategy: Multimorphic P3 platform adoption uncertain; hosts note that no P3 owner they've heard of has traded out and re-purchased P3 machines.

    medium · Assessment: 'I've never heard anyone who's owned a P3 got rid of it and has been willing to get it again.'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: American Pinball employee privately agreed with critical podcast assessment of game's launch problems, indicating internal awareness of issues.

    medium · Host recounts: 'I had somebody from American Pinball come up to me and they said I can't disagree with what you said about our launching of this game.'

  • ?

    business_signal: Ninja Eclipse/Pinball Adventures developer uncertain about path to profitable production; questioned whether pandemic-era sales inflated expectations.

    medium · Discussion: 'Does he see a path to making profit at this point?... Things looked different when everything, even when it sucked, sold during the pandemic.'

  • Based on Abba's music. I don't know what it's about, but I think they said it's all Abba music. You turned into Jar Jar there. Mamma Mia. You used to say people's not going to buy? Misa's mamas. I can't do his voice, which is just for the best. People hated Jar Jar. Texas Pinball Festival, Dennis. I'm looking forward to Abba. No, they said that ABBA is not going to be there. Oh. April is when Pinball Brothers is unveiling their next game.
    2:35
    The perfect reveal month, April. We just know it's teased as a helicopter. But if you look at the ABBA album, what, Arrival? Yeah, it could be. But others say Bell 47, MASH. And they pick MASH. it's the mash would be the correct demographic you think so it's a little I mean it seems awfully old you're going to Texas Pinball Festival you've gone the last 10 years haven't you
    3:07
    I guess I mean you're counting the years where they ended up not holding it but sure can you believe that I this is true I still as of Sunday recording I do not know if I'm going or not that it's ridiculous that you don't know. My wife is so angry. She's like, I don't give two shits if you go. What possesses you to not decide on things until the last second? It would be nice if I could schedule some child care.
    3:39
    I don't care if you go, but fuck you for waiting. They're like, what are you doing? And I don't blame her. I just can't decide. It's pretty weak. Pretty weak sauce. If I went, it would only be for Thursday and Friday. So is it worth going? No. Okay, I didn't know that. All right. Well, problem solved. Absolutely not. There's nothing Thursday. Oh, what? Thursday's one of my favorite days. No. When you're setting up a booth, well, there's nothing.
    4:10
    No, there's nothing. People, I get in there. You know, there's not a crowd, so you can hang out with the industry people that you know, maybe play some games, help some manufacturers set up some stuff. I don't mind. Yeah, because you need to butter them up. Well, maybe you should help American Pinball out. I know. American, if you're listening to this, I'm sorry. What do you want me to do? They're not listening. They don't pay. They don't believe in the paywall. Look, I understand this is bleeding into it, but if I'm them, I'm saying, yeah, I don't want a dealer that's shitting on our product.
    4:41
    Like, none of our other dealers are doing that. And I get that. They are American Pinball. They're just doing it one-on-one with their customers. that's all and they're not going to bring you the benefit of what i bring with the it all bounces no i mean no i didn't so the official yeah you might be able to pull your little sharp maneuver and get special treatment but but there's nothing on thursday friday's officially four to one they are doing this time of year or this time around i should say
    5:16
    They offered a new special pre-show ticket for people to let them come in on Friday at noon or 11. It was like four or five hours. It was a whole bunch of money. And there's no guarantee the games will yet be set up because technically that's still set up period. So given that – There's no Twippies. And that would have been Saturday night anyway, not Friday. So no. No, Friday is the one, excuse me, Saturday is the one good day.
    5:49
    Is it? I go down Thursday, so I'm not too tired Friday. Saturday feels like, eh, been there, done that. Sure, but that's, I mean, it's the day where, I mean, I see the most people, so that's who I'm able to meet with. Maybe, yeah. Sunday, I don't hang around, like, that's the wasted day. I don't go to 2 p.m. and watch the awards ceremony anymore. So Sunday, I might hang out for one to two hours, and we tried that last year, Tony and I, because we carpooled down. And it was so much better because we actually got back before it was late We were getting back to Kansas at midnight to 1 a And changing it up to where we kind of get out of there around lunchtime means we get back at 8 or 9 p which isn bad
    6:38
    I don't know if I'm going yet. I may be there. If you see me, listeners, then say hello. Just commit. What do you think is going to be there? I'll have a sharpie. I'm doing autographs and pictures. So you're still noncommittal even while we're recording. This is pointless. So what's going to happen at TPF? We need to give the listeners something meaningful because they can't sink their teeth into the nonsense you just spewed out. We're going to see Stern. Let's go down the line here. Stern Pinball is going to have the Foo Fighters. You're going to see that in person for the first time, the Foo Fighters accessories. That's pretty cool. No.
    7:09
    What? No one really cares. Oh, my God. Topper Life. They either already ordered it or they're not going to get it. We're not going to see a new game from Stern. No, but there might be a few people that live out. like in the boonies. I haven't been able to play one on location yet. Sometimes you can get some of those Stern employees drunk, and they start talking. Sure. I mean, we might learn about the sandworms. And I'd say you can hear the new 250 call-outs on James Bond 60th, but you can't hear in those places, so it doesn't matter.
    7:39
    Do you think anyone's actually going to bring one of those? You can get the Insider Connected badges that are going to be for TPF. That's true. That's something people might be excited about. All right, American Pinball. You can play Berrio's BBQ Challenge. I'm looking forward to that. I am looking forward to that. But now I feel bad because they're going to be like, they're going to pull a chariot multi-morphic like when I played. Every year when I go in that booth, I just feel it on the back of my neck. It's real hot. I don't. I've never had anyone say anything.
    8:11
    Okay, I take that back. Because they respect you. No, I don't think that's the case. I remember someone once shared with me. They were a member of the of the multi morphic discord or whatever. And they mentioned how I think it was Jerry. I guess I don't think it's a private discord. So anyone, I guess, could go and confirm this. But something about how someone had said that I had been heist where I had been like, I enjoyed heist. And the I guess he had responded that he was like, oh, I thought Dennis didn't like our games.
    8:41
    It's like, no, I don't like some of your games. but I didn't but you know when you're in the whole thing where it's an all or nothing and you either have to be all in on P3 or you are putting them down sort of thing I only ever at TPF I did have someone who they didn't work on the game development but they came up to me and I won't say they were snarky about it they just kind of asked like what I thought and we had had some disagreements on some of the stuff about the Weird Al reveal
    9:12
    And so that was about the only – that's the only time at the show where anyone that I would say is in the club – because I can't say they – I don't believe they were an employee. But they're one of those ardent defenders, and I felt they were – they did come up to me solely because of what my concerns were regarding the launch on the podcast. Well, and that brings up an interesting point as we continue down the list of manufacturers here and what to expect at Texas Pinball Festival 2024. It is an interesting interaction that we would have, not with only listeners, but with manufacturers after saying so.
    9:48
    Because just this last week or so, we had someone from the, I don't know if it's the development team, but somebody from a recently announced game that we were mixed on, and they showed appreciation for some of the stuff we did like. and that happens like last year American Pinball we had some choice things about GTF and I had somebody from American Pinball come up to me and not pull me aside but we were aside
    10:19
    and they said I can't disagree with what you said about our launching of this game and there are things that I would have liked to have seen very different as well but ultimately I can only say so much before you know nobody listens uh thank you for the support in a b and c so that it does have but then you do get people who because of what we've said on a podcast they uh yeah i've had people
    10:51
    running companies pull me aside because of at shows uh pull me aside and and want to discuss there something that I'd said on the podcast or a video or something. So it's a weird time. Yeah, I don't tend to get that from the, but of course I'm not a distributor. I think it's because, and this was an issue, at least to me it was an issue for you choosing to decide you were going to continue to do content creation after you basically got in bed with industry.
    11:24
    I'm in bed, am I a good lover? So, I mean, you have to ask them. I'm a great lover. But sometimes I give it a little rough. I'm not going to lie. So that's a line with it. Again, this is not something unique to pinball. I know plenty of – I've mentioned it multiple times. There are plenty of wristwatch content creators who are in bed with the manufacturers of watches. That's how they get them. That's how they get access to them. People aren't used to someone like myself just being so fucking good at it, balancing that line.
    11:55
    That's all they're doing. I don't know about it. But there are a lot of people that kind of feel like because you were in content creation before you did. A lot of times, like they come in with it with they're like they're already a dealer. So they come in and create a channel to help promote the business. You came at it differently. You were a content creator and you got into the business. Well, but then there will always be that narrative that it was different before from one school of thought. And then there are others that are like that's like the that's like the let's call those the consumers.
    12:27
    But with the businesses, you can face the opposite where if you had come in always having been a dealer and then going into content creation, the expectation or the behavior might have always been, I just say positive things. So for them, it might be the opposite where the consumer might think you're now too much of a shill. The manufacturers might be you still too harsh You harsher than any of our other distributors don go out there and put out an episode and say I hate your art Yeah
    12:58
    It's like the Goldilocks syndrome. But back to me, me being at the show. You get to play Barbecue Challenge. Yes, and I'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to playing Princess Bride as well. Oh, yeah. That's right. But see, the manufacturers don't feel compelled to talk to me because I'm not. I don't sell their products. It's not my job to make them look good or bad. I always try and be fair with how I judge my game experiences. And there are plenty of companies that have people at them I do not like.
    13:30
    And I will never own their games because of how they've behaved. But I still try and be fair on the judgment of the game. Sure. So, I mean. And that's why you're so widely used. But ultimately, no one really cares what I think. So that's why I get treated differently. It's a fun dynamic. That's kind of why I want to go. Like most people would say, well, I would stay away from those places. But I relish, speaking of barbecue, I relish those opportunities. I love the awkward. I roll around in the awkward. It makes me feel good.
    14:02
    We get to play potentially the barbecue game and Princess Bride. I'm really looking forward to Princess Bride. It almost makes me want to watch it on the flight to Texas. I want to watch Princess Bride just so I can remind myself of that because that does look cool. I want to play that. What about some controversy whether Haggis is going to be there or not? I heard they're not. Really? I heard they're not. I had no idea they would at this point contemplate going. What do they have to sell? Centaur.
    14:32
    What do they have to sell? They have to sell Centaur. That's true. They haven't even, but they, I just, I don't see it, Zach. Do we see a new prototype Centaur at TPF? No. I say we might. No. Okay. Chicago Gaming Company, we're going to see Pulp Fiction? No. You don't think so? They've already sold it. Yeah, but we'll see it. No. Are we going to see Cactus Canyon with the saloon doors and upgraded code?
    15:10
    Yes. No. That would be crazy. Spooky Pinball is going to have a big old booth. They're going to have a lot of Looney Tunes. I'm looking forward to that because I still haven't played Looney. Chainsaw Massacre? Chainsaw. I haven't played Looney Massacre yet. I think I'm interested to see you play this. And granted, you can't really hear that well. Well, if they're like Scooby and bring like eight of them and have the whole corner, I probably can. I was able to hear Scooby-Doo. Yeah. So a lot of people are really eager to play that game, those games over at the Spooky Pinball.
    15:42
    I still haven't played Elton John. Oh, Elton John. That'd be fun, too. Tiny Dancer. CE with the laser. All right. Barrels of Fun, Labyrinth. Yeah, still haven't played that. Is this the first Barrels appearance at Texas Pinball Festival? I believe so. Yeah, they were. Unless they were handing out those little mystery cards or whatever at the last. And then maybe they did that last. George Spelman. I still really, really strongly dislike that entire campaign. Oh, my gosh. Everybody hates it so much. It's a thing.
    16:12
    So I can't call this a hometown show for barrels because Houston Pinball Expo is probably their hometown show because they're from Houston. But closer than most every other show. So that's going to be fun to see them there. I love that crew. Do you think Ninja Eclipse or whatever shows back up? Tournament? I think Tournament shows up within an even different iteration of Ninja Eclipse. Do you think he's actually going to go into production or that this is going to fail before then?
    16:42
    I think he's probably got enough money that he could go into it without failing. Does he see a path to making profit at this point? Again, things looked different when everything, even when it sucked, sold during the pandemic. And we're not in that space anymore. People getting to the point of developing an actual product and releasing a product that I would have killed at stage two happened so frequently in this industry that, yeah, sure. Why not?
    17:13
    I don't know where the people are. I guess they're fearful to lose their jobs, but I'd lose my job because stage two, I'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, what are we doing? I know I'm just the marketing guy here, but that's bad. Guys, we can't do that. I'm not going to get paid if we do that. But they don't have those people for some reason. I do think he'll be there. I didn't play it the last time it was there because it was still a Whitewood. I would be willing to try it at this point. I was intrigued.
    17:44
    He's close. to that show. What about Pinball Adventures? Do you think Elements shows up? I still... The animation stuff with Pinball Eclipse and the artwork... There's still some things I like. Who are you talking about? I was going to say, he's close. Turner is. I was asking, Elements, that was probably the game I heard the most complaints about at Expo. It really wasn't ready to be shown to people, but the decision was to keep the promise that it would be there, and the promise
    18:16
    was kept. I haven't checked their website. Are they still doing things? I assume so, but I haven't asked. I was kind of wondering if you thought, I guess you think they won't be at TPF. I don't think it's going to matter either way. I don't think it's going to matter. Pinball Brothers, we know that they're not going to have a new game there, but a lot of people will be able to see the Ripley Edition game, and see and hear some of the assets with Ripley if you didn't play it at Expo, Pinball Expo in Chicago. So that would be cool. Dutch Pinball I don't think is going to be there with anything. Pedretti Gaming I don't think will be there with anything.
    18:49
    But Home Pin, Hexa. Yeah, he doesn't. I think he set up something with – yeah, I don't think either of them are coming. Home Pin doesn't target Americans, and I'm not sure Hexa does either. You know, I think this is kind of a down year for Texas Pinball Festival. Actually, I think there's going to be a down year for pinball. Ooh. I'm going to lean into it even more. you were thinking like this year was going to be better than 2023 and we're going to see fewer games this year I don think it necessarily a bad thing though No it not We had a weird bumper crop of games But I mean so far you got Jaws and then you got
    19:24
    Barbecue. Princess Bride's a good theme, but it's multi-morphic P3, and it's, you know, Weird Al had a lot of buzz, but in the wake of all the 3D printed mechanics, I just don't know that a lot of people are going to... It seems like anyone I've never heard anyone who's owned a P3 got rid of it and has been willing to get it again. Okay. So I just don't know where that – it's a great theme. I just don't know if it sells at its price. I think this year is Texas pinball getting bumped down to number two.
    19:58
    I think Chicago Pinball Expo takes the reins as number one again, and they do so this year. Now, whether they hold those reins into 2025, I don't know, but I think this is the year of the Pinball Expo in Chicago more so than Texas. It could be the more interesting show. I mean, it won't matter to me, but... Honestly, some of that... This is crazy. Some of that, I think, is associated to the whole Twippy controversy. Really? I think that was a pretty big hit.
    20:28
    But that was their... My understanding is that was TPF's choice, not Twip and Twippy committee. It wasn't TPF's choice for that whole damn thing to crumble like it did. No, but I felt very early on chose to pull the plug on having a live ceremony. Well, yeah, we got the call. And you saw how weird it was because then it was like there wasn't going to be a ceremony, and then Loser Kid ended up doing a ceremony. So it was like all over the place. It was a mess all over. I really don't feel people go to Texas Pinball Festival for the Twippy ceremony.
    21:02
    No, no, I'm not saying they do. It was a big draw, though. Like the first year, like the year you and Greg did it, was like the high watermark for the Twippies. Well, people didn't know that, though, until it happened. Well, no. Hindsight's 2020. But it got, not counting this year, which obviously wasn't live, but it got, for the in-person ones, so I'm also not counting the ones that ended up purely virtual, it got progressively worse. And the last one I went to last year's, I think it was, no, it was the year before. I did not go to last year, so maybe that one was slightly improved.
    21:33
    The year before, though, that was live with Emoto and Jack. It was really bad. I mean, really, really bad. Yeah. That was the one I sat through and Greg and I did a stage press. Yeah, you were dressed up as Mando or something. Yeah, one of the highlights of the show. Yeah, but the whole – I didn't even really remember that that well. The only part that really stood out to me is when they got the guy who played Radagast to do his Doctor Who thing. Yes, yes. And it was just, it was, I mean, I don't, this is where I feel bad about being mean because it's a lot.
    22:10
    And I mean, we know because having worked on the pinball awards, it is a lot of work. And I don't want to just shit all over someone's work. But that ceremony was really bad. It was so bad that I know it wasn't realistic, but honestly, someone should have probably gone up and pulled the plug on it during the event and said, we need to stop. Let's just quickly run through the rest of the awards and close it up. It was too long. It was hard to hear.
    22:41
    It wasn't the dynamic with the hosts and the guests was not good. It felt unrehearsed. And anyway. It was bad. It was dead. But it was a boost there for a couple years. You're not going to Chicago this year, are you? I will probably never go to Chicago again. Oh, damn it. The only hope was if we had had the pinball awards there. Yeah, I know. But I mean, it's equidistant.
    23:11
    It's like the same time frame for me to drive to Texas or to drive to Chicago. It's an eight-hour trip for me, so it's not a bad trip. But I don't like the facility. I don't like that I have to drive everywhere to do anything there. And in Texas, I can walk to practically everything I want to do. And that's really what it comes down to is I've heard they made a lot of improvements to the show, a lot of the complaints that I had the time I went, and it was like the free play area is mostly broken games. The vendor area has all the new stuff, and it's open like 45 minutes a day.
    23:44
    We're charging for seminars, even though you can watch them online for free. All that stuff I understand they've made adjustments to, so tip of the hat for that. But the facility, the one thing I like about Chicago over Texas is it's not as crowded. And I hate how crowded Texas is. Yeah, it is crowded. So I'm kind of hoping that, yeah, that Chicago actually does have a better show this year to pressure TPF to figure something out so it's less crowded. I'm not saying they need to move.
    24:16
    I'm saying maybe they just need to say there are fewer games. Or open up the walls, some of them conference. Something. Do something. do something so that it's not because it is a great location with all the other overflow hotels being right there for people I don't ever hear anyone complain about what hotel they got stuck at Texas I had to drive two miles minimum to do anything for Chicago every meal, every trip everything it was super tedious the floors, they're not carpeted
    24:48
    it hurt to walk it was just not It was, you know, first impressions mean a lot. And my impression was this is garbage. Well, that's Texas Pinball. Well, that was Expo. But maybe I'll change my mind at some point. I'll have to be convinced. Possibly. So we'll see. We'll see if I'm there. The number one thing I think for everybody is be able to play pinball amongst friends and acquaintances and stuff. So I'd be looking very forward to doing that.
    25:19
    I don't know if I'd take the camera or not. No, you wouldn't Just look, if barbecue taught you anything It's that your camera phone is good enough And a stick of juicy fruit Stick people Like instead of using X's with tape To show people where their marks are You just wait until you feel the gum under your shit Why do I feel so bad about Oh well Can they press stop now? Yeah, go ahead and stop guys