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Stream 539: Iron Maiden (LE) Stern

Don't Panic Flip·video·2h 49m·analyzed·Mar 3, 2022
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TL;DR

DPF stream: Iron Maiden gameplay, P3 Weird Al announcement, March travel plans.

Summary

Don't Panic Flip stream featuring George, Joe Hills, and a guest playing Iron Maiden (LE) on Stern. Discussion covers machine maintenance, upcoming P3 Weird Al pinball announcement, travel plans for early March including potential Guardians of the Galaxy machine pickup, and tangential conversations about New Orleans food, clothing, and cocktails. Notable mention of P3's Weird Al machine announcement with Scott Denisey involved in sound package.

Key Claims

  • Weird Al P3 pinball machine was announced earlier today

    high confidence · Joe Hills mentioned seeing the announcement, Scott Denisey helping with sound package

  • George has Guardians of the Galaxy pinball machine available for pickup in early March

    high confidence · George discussing pickup timing with guest; mentioned multiple times

  • Iron Maiden LE had a mummy diverter issue caused by bent metal not triggering bottom switch

    high confidence · Man Adams diagnosed issue via phone; George confirmed fix and functionality

  • Guest is unavailable for Texas Pinball Festival due to YouTube series production schedule

    high confidence · Direct statement: 'my main youtube series uh the production schedule got pushed back further than i was expecting'

  • George's daughter played Godzilla at arcade in Austin and achieved high score entry

    high confidence · George discussing daughter's birthday arcade visit and prior experience with machine

Notable Quotes

  • “Weird Al the pinball machine from P3 was announced earlier today”

    Joe Hills @ ~mid-stream — First mention of Weird Al P3 machine announcement; confirms industry news

  • “I have some thoughts about how we can fix that... I think what's happening is the metal was bent in such a way to where it wasn't actually triggering the bottom switch”

    Man Adams (recounted by George) @ early stream — Diagnosis of Iron Maiden mechanical issue; shows community peer support for troubleshooting

  • “My main youtube series the production schedule got pushed back further than i was expecting and so i'm not especially liquid right now so taking an extra trip to texas is just not in the cards this year”

    Guest/Dice @ mid-stream — Explains absence from Texas Pinball Festival; reflects on production constraints

  • “She went out in location she got to put her initials in on a machine because she had played godzilla when it was in our apartment”

    George @ later stream — Shows secondary market adoption; family engagement with pinball hobby

  • “I love weird al my first cassette that i purchased when i was in elementary school was bad hair day”

    Joe Hills @ mid-stream — Personal connection to Weird Al IP; explains enthusiasm for announced machine

Entities

GeorgepersonJoe HillspersonMan AdamspersonScott DeniseypersonSir SnarfpersonDicepersonIron Maiden LEproductGodzillagameGuardians of the Galaxygame

Signals

  • ?

    announcement: P3 (Multimorphic) announced Weird Al pinball machine; Scott Denisey involved in sound design

    high · Joe Hills: 'Weird Al the pinball machine from P3 was announced earlier today'; mentioned Scott Denisey in discord discussing sound package

  • ?

    product_concern: Iron Maiden LE experienced mummy diverter failure due to bent metal not triggering switch; repaired successfully

    high · George detailed diagnosis by Man Adams: metal bent, switch not triggering, fix applied and confirmed functional

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Sir Snarf identified as working for P3/Multimorphic in marketing/BA capacity; present in chat during discussion of Weird Al announcement

    high · Direct chat interaction and role clarification during stream

  • ?

    community_signal: Man Adams provided remote troubleshooting support for George's Iron Maiden machine via phone call

    high · George: 'Man Adams whom uh did the trade with me as my godzilla... called me up... he's like i think it's getting lost'

  • ?

    collector_signal: George acquiring Guardians of the Galaxy machine in early March; considering Total Nuclear Annihilation or Turtles as alternatives

    high · George announcing March pickup dates and multiple machine options with guest

  • ?

    content_signal: Don't Panic Flip continues active streaming schedule with regular guest appearances and community engagement

Topics

P3 Weird Al pinball announcementprimaryIron Maiden LE machine maintenance and troubleshootingprimaryMarch travel plans and machine pickupsprimaryPinball gameplay and rulesetssecondaryCommunity support and peer troubleshootingsecondaryTournament and convention scheduling conflictssecondaryFamily engagement with pinballsecondaryContent creation and production constraintsmentioned

Sentiment

positive(0.78)— Friendly, conversational tone throughout. Hosts clearly enjoy the game and community. Some frustration around scheduling conflicts and travel constraints, but mostly upbeat. Lots of enthusiastic discussion about Weird Al announcement and machine quality.

Transcript

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do [Music]
5:57
good evening everyone my name is george this show is don't panic flip and tonight i have two wonderful guests we have joe hills and we have uh i only seek eurydice gentlemen how are you doing this evening good evening everyone and welcome back to don't panic flip the only pinball show that billy mays was said and said was too good of a deal to do a commercial for okay i don't know who billy mays is isn't he the guy from king of kong he's doing pac-man stuff now
6:35
wait it's the sorry is billy mays the guy that sorry i and i feel like i'm gonna say something awful here but is he the guy that cheated no okay who is that billy mitchell billy mitchell thank you okay because when you said billy mays i was thinking like billy mays hayes or billy billy billy hayes maze from uh hi i skidoo hey queen dark lady um from uh shoot what was the name of that uh major league i don't know if you guys ever saw that that very old movie now that i think of it
7:06
very old movie now that i think of it yeah uh hey i ski do did you know that george doesn't know who billy mays is i do not know billy mays but it's infomercials tracy from outer spacey tracy the sh oh that's the shamwow guy okay i do know that well i only know of the shamwow guy from all of the people who've tried to imitate the shamwow guy
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high · Stream ongoing with multiple raids, chat interaction, scheduled pickups for future content

  • ?

    event_signal: Pinball Expo in Chicago conflicted with Nashville pinball expo this year, impacting local vendor attendance and convention quality

    high · Guest notes vendor absence and reduced vendor presence at local Nashville event due to Chicago timing

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Strong positive reception to Weird Al P3 announcement; Joe Hills expressing personal connection to IP

    medium · Joe Hills: 'i was gonna say this makes me want to buy a p3' and discussion of Weird Al history

  • ?

    venue_signal: Game Terminal (Austin) and Cider Cane (Austin) mentioned as active locations with pinball machines; second-generation player engagement occurring

    medium · George noting daughter playing at these locations and achieving high score entries

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    market_signal: Content creator (guest/Dice) unable to attend Texas Pinball Festival due to YouTube series production delays and cash flow limitations

    high · Direct quote: 'my main youtube series the production schedule got pushed back further... i'm not especially liquid right now'

  • ?

    design_innovation: Iron Maiden LE features rotating servo for mummy diverter with dual position switches (top/bottom); demonstrates precision mechanical design

    medium · George describing mechanic: 'rotating uh servo that moves it up and down and it has two switches at the top and at the bottom'

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Iron Maiden LE has multi-step rule progression including lit shot sequences, soul shards, and mode stacking; rules not fully recalled by experienced player

    medium · Guest asking for rule clarification; discussion of shot progression and 'number of the beast' mode requirement

    • 7:39
    okay yeah vince was another one i just remembered i had music all set to go for this stream i'm gonna throw it on and see if that plays in the background make sure the volume is turned down a little bit sir snarf holy haircut batman yeah that's uh that is that is tight i said take it i said take it up to the top [Laughter] that's got some macklemore vibes going on uh i went with system of a down
    8:11
    uh i went with system of a down essentials no i don't know what your hair oh macklemore i i don't know i don't know what macklemore looks like all you need is a big furry coat you'll be looking very macklemore i can i can fix that hold on i've got this cosplay stream people yeah people living in colorado have big furry coats who knew yeah right we have that and i can't okay nope now it's
    8:41
    it's all jammed up and awkward wow that was supposed to be way cooler there we go boom it's got it's it's furry on the inside it's very very comfortable now am i pulling off macklemore kind of is macklemore the pop and tags guy i'm gonna pop some tags only got 20 in my pocket wait how dare you comply with the oh that's sir snarf so that goes immediately it's got to be the
    9:12
    that goes immediately it's got to be the first discussion topic for tonight right and by the way that is way too warm that is actually a warm jacket it's the first time i think i've ever owned a warm jacket silly aside but when i became old enough because my parents told me that i couldn't own a leather jacket until i was stopped growing since then i've basically like i've i've bought maybe three leather jackets and i just have had those leather jackets and i realized after about 20 years in colorado that it gets cold and that leather jackets don't typically
    9:44
    and that leather jackets don't typically unless they have some sort of interesting interior actually stop the cold from seeping in so this is the first year i got a different jacket nice so george the way i handled that is that my leather jackets are designed to have like a hoodie layer underneath right so so you know they're a little bit loose but that's okay because i got that extra layer of insulation because you do okay no no i got something for this too i i literally i did i did two things this time around with my leather jackets
    10:16
    this time around with my leather jackets see i tried on about 15 of these which is these like poofy vest things with down in them so then i can uh now under my leather jackets as i'm making my way around i wear a vest also i don't know if you know this snakes don't wear vests because they don't have arms pens and pirates riding with 6pa people well i've actually got a a down vest from patagonia too the thing i like
    10:47
    from patagonia too the thing i like about it is that it's designed so you can pull the entire vest into one of the pockets and zip it up and use it as a camping pillow what and so you go from having a down vest to having a down pillow wow it's perfect night and day like they're not paying me to promote this i said you already had a patagonia thing on your stream so like you know i'm just gonna say like i try not i'm at the point in my life where i'm trying not to spend money on stuff i'm gonna have to replace in the next three years anymore
    11:17
    replace in the next three years anymore i'm trying to buy things if i know it's gonna last for like 10 years and like the stuff that they make if i need it i know it's gonna be good and i know it's gonna last okay also uh pins and pirates and i know dice already did the call up but thank you very much my my hat's off to you and pins and pirates what were you streaming this evening uh and thank you very much for the raid if you're just joining us really quick i'll show it off this is what we'll be playing tonight that's right we'll be playing some iron maiden
    11:47
    right we'll be playing some iron maiden uh we played this we we snuck in a stream on saturday this weekend and we ran into some issues with the uh mummy diverter up on the top of the left ramp and uh lo and behold man adams whom uh did the trade with me as my godzilla i have iron maiden called me up he's like hey i saw you had some issues i have some thoughts about about uh about how we can fix that and he's like i think what's happening is and i checked out the mechanic on
    12:18
    is and i checked out the mechanic on this the mechanic is awesome it is a rotating uh servo that moves it up and down and it has two switches at the top and at the bottom to know when it hits the top and then when it hits the bottom and the second one it the the metal was bent in such a way to where it wasn't actually triggering the bottom switch so the hey dice uh it was uh it was losing its place and that was totally from from man adams who
    12:49
    that was totally from from man adams who who just had this idea is like i think it's getting lost you might want to check the switch so ran through everything was able to fix it it's awesome it should be functional for this evening um and i totally spaced oh no yeah i completely lost my train of thought there there was a whole bunch of notifications that came through and it i have no idea what i was about to say after that but that was going to lead into something it was a perfect segue into like a follow-up conversation and discussion
    13:23
    you are going to tell us what you're drinking tonight there we go that works that's obviously where i was going next with this one so this is a cuban mojito is the camera panning faster than normal i've got it set jenna mcmuffin at a 10 right now so this is the standard but rather than moving kind of like angled it's moving back and forth also i do have autofocus set right now
    13:53
    uh so that's what i'm drinking a cuban mojito gentlemen uh what are you drinking this evening if anything mango margarita wow you all are fancy i got uh some george dickle whiskey from oklahoma tennessee with a block of ice in it so it turns out you can go to target which is what the french call target and you can buy like a dollar like ice cube tray that's just these like one and a half by one and a half inch cubes and i found that
    14:23
    and a half inch cubes and i found that those melt just at the right speed for you know you drop it in a glass of whiskey and you're good so i'm drinking whiskey and water but you know fancy frozen water in a in a cubicle configuration okay i like that fancy frozen water i also sorry when you say that is it actually a large cube yeah yeah it's it's so like if you think about like a normal ice cube tray would have like 12 cubes in it this is just like six really big cubes
    14:54
    this is just like six really big cubes that's the way to do it i actually prefer that i see that happen at like higher end bars where they give you if you ask for whiskey on the rocks they bring out a single large ice cube and it just for uh i'm assuming for reasons that make sense the that ice cube lasts a lot longer because it's larger well it has to do with the surface area to volume ratio george and i knew it was something like that like everything at a big fancy bar though you could buy a two dollar ice cube tray and just be set for life
    15:25
    ice cube tray and just be set for life at home you know it's a real treat when you go out and see that but then when you have people over like for example if you happen to come by my apartment sometime in march to pick up this guardians of the galaxy machine i could serve you some whiskey on the rocks with a really big rock and you'll be like what an exceptionally large crystalline lettuce of water you know and i'll be like okay that's a weird way to say that but fine okay and speaking about that i definitely want to come out in early march in fact
    15:56
    want to come out in early march in fact i was just talking to my brother in south carolina and uh i know we had talked about potentially the second week of march but i need to get with you because uh the first week of march just opened up and i know that you had some other stuff going on so we've got to figure that out so the thing about the first week of march george is in some ways that's even better because mr hard luck who's in chat right now and a bunch of other people are probably starting the first week in march oh really really for tennessee game days which is a board gaming convention robbed by some
    16:27
    a board gaming convention robbed by some of my former co-workers uh they're great guys i've known them like 12 years like super cool people uh the convention's a little bit outside of town and so i've got a hotel booked but like in terms of like i could drive a half hour or so to get back to my apartment do the stream with you out of here get the pinball machine loaded and unloaded and honestly i you know i had said you could stay at my place overnight if you need to if you wanted to come to the convention i think my room has two twit uh two queen beds i'm not sure you might be able to just crash there if
    16:58
    you might be able to just crash there if you had to but it would there'd be a lot more moving parts is the thing okay okay i'm pretty much game for whatever because i'm then sunday gonna drive it's like seven hours or eight hours to go to uh south carolina and then i'm gonna spend the week with my brother out there and just work from his place so i don't really care and on top of that uh joe uh turtles is behaving wonderfully so if you want we've got tna turtles or uh tron i think would be
    17:32
    turtles or uh tron i think would be would be the three options i have available for you right now i mean i got to say i've had a lot of fun playing turtles on location at game terminal total nuclear annihilation as well but my daughter the first time she saw total nuclear annihilation on stream she was just shocked at how beautiful it was just awed by it and she was like this is why you watch these pinball streams it had never made sense to her before but just watching the colors and listening to the music and seeing the machine she's just like i get it now so
    18:04
    she's just like i get it now so like when i mentioned i was like don't get too excited this is one of the options now if that doesn't happen turtles is a possibility too we would both be fine with either but like if we could get tna i would love to have tna here done you will have tna at your house oh you are a saint awesome right yeah sir snarf scott did easy you you can't go wrong the music's amazing the light show's awesome the theme is great
    18:35
    theme is great it's it's a powerful female character elego subscribing it's here money i just love to position myself right there that's perfect no this side there it is lights yeah let's tracey wants to blow some stuff up i know i know it's second place andy that was it lines up really well the sound pulls you in it's just a great game in general
    19:07
    it's just a great game in general now dice you do you own an iron maiden i did at one point i no longer do okay how comfortable or familiar with the rules are you at one point i was relatively familiar now not so much all right we're gonna we're gonna start and even if we're wrong it's fine i'm just gonna roll with it whatever you say i'm gonna point to and that's going to be the rules and and
    19:37
    and that's going to be the rules and and how we do this right now so dice you want to start us sorry shoot the lit shots boom so we've got this shot here that's a lit shot yeah and yeah i was just here lurking in the background these guys were flowing so good i didn't want to come in and like we've got that shot the middle shot we've got the right ramp and the right orbit plus the inner loop all of those are lit now dice those are lit white what specifically am i trying to achieve by
    20:09
    specifically am i trying to achieve by hitting those lit white shots initially um sorry i i'm legit trying to catch up here twitch was buffering uh hey santa man no worries sandman welcome to the stream stack trooper and song mode go far and troopers stack cyborg in song mode go far in cyborg says stan man okay there's a lot of steps to get to get to those and we're gonna get there oh yes tracy tracy we're gonna get there we're gonna
    20:39
    tracy we're gonna get there we're gonna get there i feel like that's the first break conversation and joe hills did you know that weird al the pinball machine from p3 was announced earlier today i saw that and i saw that uh scott denisey was talking about helping with the sound package on that uh in one of the discords i'm in so yeah i am pretty excited about that i haven't gotten to play a p3 yet although humorously enough when we had the godzilla in my apartment because uh flip chronic and bex were here they had two
    21:10
    chronic and bex were here they had two p3s in their trailer behind the godzilla machine but we just didn't want to unload two machines right right i've never actually gotten to play a p3 but i've had one like outside my apartment sitting in a trailer over at night so yeah the opportunity was there and it was very close but ended up not happening it sounds like it didn't happen but that godzilla was fantastic so you know that's fine um but like it's one of those things i love weird out my first cassette that i purchased when i was in elementary school was bad hair
    21:41
    was in elementary school was bad hair day which had uh gangster uh the parody of gangsters paradise amish paradise and a bunch of other great songs on it um you know i have a ton of respect for weird al as a brilliant voice actor as well as a musician and uh yeah this is i was gonna say this makes me want to buy a p3 but realistically i can't afford a p3 right now p3 is a little on the expensive side for sure yeah but this makes me want to get somewhere that has a p3 that's one of the funny things about game terminals they have all
    22:12
    they have all a huge selection of other games but they're not really into the p3 stuff so i got to find an arcade somewhere or a convention or a tournament or something so i can get my hands on one okay uh in regards to me helping you george i'm going to defer to allen allen okay he actually has this game white white shots to start the mode at the target then shoot the lit shots to complete and collect the soul shard target at the end of the month
    22:45
    okay could have been better there i mean i was hoping you were just gonna make up rules and i would try to play those rules out when you said you didn't really remember them i wasn't trying to put you on the spot i was just allowing the game to organically be played however you did however you chose okay then shoot the damage organ done yeah also i saw a question come in from sir snark if i was going to make it to tpf i really really want to
    23:16
    tpf i really really want to but uh my main youtube series uh the production schedule got pushed back further than i was expecting and so i'm not especially like liquid right now so taking an extra trip to texas is just not in the cards this year uh i was optimistic a couple months ago but just at this point it just doesn't seem like it's gonna happen sadly that sucks i'm sorry you know that's how it is when you work with other people i'm not especially liquid
    23:51
    i actually couldn't hear that i i think sorry when you when you work with other people yeah like so uh with my youtube series i work with a lot of other people and when you're trying to get two dozen people's schedules to work out like sometimes stuff doesn't align you know and that's just part of it and i'm cool with it and i move on but like unfortunately it means cutting things like like tpf would be a fun trip for me there's no way like i could maybe argue to the irs that it's a taxable expense but there's no way i'm making money on a trip to tpf you know
    24:21
    making money on a trip to tpf you know and uh so just right now is one of those things where i was like looking at what can i afford to cut i just had to cut it yep totally makes sense and i'm sorry dice you said something as well there uh sorry i was reading second flight to andy's question george serious question did i make a whiskey sour with egg white or a gin honey flip with egg white and eggy yellow ooh i've never heard of the second thing but that sounds wonderful
    24:53
    and if you i mean anything with egg whites i feel like is is key uh andy we're gonna lock in a gin honey flip okay because that just sounds delightful ah get up there it does kind of sound very refreshing sorry it was a gin what in honey gin honey flip with egg white and egg yellow oh with egg yellow man i kind of want to buy egg yellows at some point because i just have egg
    25:24
    some point because i just have egg whites and it feels like i'm missing out when i use that with to make fried rice or other things oh i love fried rice i have fallen in love with fried rice i have been living on rice and meat for a while now oh do you say meat or mead i mean probably both honestly from being serious but mostly uh meat and rice so uh either chicken and rice steak and rice or what i've been eating way too
    25:54
    rice or what i've been eating way too much as andoui sausage and fried rice oh but it's so good it's so good well here's the thing though george if you're at the point where you're like i'm gonna get a carton of egg white and a carton of egg yellow you can also just buy a carton of eggs like that is an option that opens up to you when i make fried rice i usually just use whole eggs and it turns out pretty okay what are these things you speak of called whole eggs i feel like so imagine an oblate spheroid
    26:33
    i like that sorry nick says oh no we're good we're good hey george engineered the communications of a thing that with usb p cap and wire shark no but i have used wireshark a bunch just never on usb and nick only eats two percent eggs i prefer the skin bags myself although there's something to be said for the almond eggs oh fuzzy cord is mentioning it's a prolate spheroid actually and
    27:04
    prolate spheroid actually and this was one of those things i didn't have time to check off wikipedia okay i'm just doing this on the top of my head i am not a geometer i trade i got in the ballpark no it's coming it's we're we're getting it and it's coming back a bunch and then on top of that the uh i was so focused on on that i'm like oh no we lost something i totally let it drain that wasn't my bad playing that
    27:34
    drain that wasn't my bad playing that was i'm i'm blaming the streaming equipment there and i'm sorry did you say a geometry a geometer what was that what was that word yeah i said a geometer i mean i don't know somebody whose job it is to do geometry but like somebody i i guess it might be a geometrist or geomet because a geologist studies geology right so no no but is can can i use that phrase geometer like okay this is the beauty of language
    28:05
    okay this is the beauty of language george you can really just go nuts with it and okay so this is one of the this is one of the foundational things if we really want to get into like how i built my youtube career like what the day i launched uh or maybe not the day the week i launched my youtube channel i had read this study that people who were put in an mri machine and read normal sentences um it activated the language parts of their brain but you start messing with the structure of the normal sentences by reading them shakespeare and and the
    28:36
    reading them shakespeare and and the weird structures he used it activated both the language and the puzzle solving parts of the brain so by saying things that are a solvable puzzle but not necessarily common language you can be more enjoyable to listen to okay i get what you're saying so if i make up words that through context people can figure out it becomes more enjoyable exactly okay and rewarding to listen to weird stuff
    29:07
    and rewarding to listen to weird stuff that almost makes sense okay arthur pin dragon happy birthday you get no i can't i can't i couldn't make it happen that time it's the based on the position of the camera when that happens but arthur pendragon thank you very much for that tier one subscription you're on a three-month streak we are now consistently losing that and that i'm almost positive has everything to do yep like i just shook the camera hold on we're gonna
    29:37
    hold on we're gonna we're gonna do a mild tech stream here i'm going to open up that back and make sure that the duct tape is holding in the connector nicely one sec in fact you guys get to to go full screen here as we look at this actually i should probably not do that i should probably leave this here so that way y'all can tell me if i'm fixing the issue or making it worse
    30:08
    oh that's right i've got this there's that that's going over here ow i just walked into stuff i'm just gonna see if that helped at all i don't know if i noticed that are we losing it no that may have worked that may have done the thing stop killing ducks to make duct tape duct tape did i say duck i did mean
    30:39
    duct tape did i say duck i did mean ducked if that's the case although no i'm i should listen to to to joe's advice where it's it's called duct tape we're just gonna make it up you can infer from my usage what i meant yeah duct tape i'm not gonna get down to mardi gras this year either speaking of curtailed travel but one of the best things i've
    31:09
    travel but one of the best things i've ever eaten was in new orleans there was a bar that had french fries that were fried in dark fat if you ever get a chance to have duck fat french fries with a little bit of aioli for dipping go for that that is like fantastic okay okay i i have had uh duck um what do we have we i went out there and i did 13 different gumbos and i think two of them were duck gumbos
    31:39
    two of them were duck gumbos and that was the second best one i had was uh was it duck gumbo while i was out there oh so good what was the best uh it was a seafood gumbo from a place called dinis or dinos dean something it was a fairly popular location the uh like it had a line going outside and i feel like that is indicative of it actually being a pretty decent establishment when there's uh like a 30 to 45 minute wait and it's not even like
    32:10
    to 45 minute wait and it's not even like on the strip oh man yeah i i cannot wait to get back down there like i said i'm sitting out a lot of travel this year like just being in new orleans in like february where it's not too humid yet and there's just everybody's out on the streets and there's just people and they're all dressed up and people are building these incredible floats they're driving past like um i just love to see that degree of creativity you know right yeah no i i
    32:43
    creativity you know right yeah no i i completely agree dice you've been to new orleans a bunch right oh yeah uh do you have a particular type of food that you appreciate or or look for when you go out there bowdoin oh sorry is that is that sr one is that boudine or is that the the bread thing no bowden is a sausage okay good then i
    33:14
    okay good then i have something new to try now oh alan's about the shrimp and grits i love them yeah good grits with uh with um actually the i didn't have really good shrimp and grits while i was out in new orleans but while i was in georgia i had the best shrimp and grits i've ever had new orleans is really all about the po boys and the pastries um uh i did do cafe cafe mon mon mandu cafe
    33:45
    uh i did do cafe cafe mon mon mandu cafe cafe du monde yeah i did that i think three times while i was out there so all three of the the days just when that went out there nice and early got the coffee got the croissant i feel like like that is that standard new orleans experience you have to try and if you're into cocktails that taste like robitussin uh go to o'brien get yourself a hurricane [Music] i mean that's not the best description
    34:16
    i mean that's not the best description i've ever heard like you don't make me want whatever drink that is like it tasted like straight robitussin but okay there are people that enjoy them yeah the beignets oh my god seriously the beignets are awesome they taste like happy oh no no no no give me that back that's not coming back nope not coming back wow that's how brains work sometime
    34:50
    wow that's how brains work sometime right now go ahead like anytime you're looking up anything about a trip to new orleans no one ever mentions the smell oh this smells pretty bad it's so bad that ben yeah it's more like ben yay am i right then tracy
    35:30
    shoot the orbit all right so if we're making a serious attempt at number of the beast i have to focus on money uh mummy rather should always be focused on money but mummy in this case [Music] if you're just creative and you put good creativity out there the money will just naturally follow i've heard that before
    36:02
    i feel like that is one of those things that doesn't often end up being real but oh no calling him a liar i mean in fairness it's the slow way to do it the money will follow if you find something oh man i thought i was gonna get a free lock out of that shot we gotta mention what's up oh no
    36:41
    oh my god game really two ounces of gin point seven five ounces of honey syrup one whole egg hot plate spheroid shell removed and discarded take vigorously the height brain and shake again a dry shake serve in a coupe glass have a couple gloves of angus or bitters or frustrated nutmeg for garnet oh that sounds amazing also pinball network just raided us with a party of 14. that is uh frisco pinball who just raided us frisco
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    raided us frisco my hat's off to you how was your stream what did what were you guys playing tonight i didn't get an opportunity to stop by all right so tracy we will we'll hold off until you get back let us know when you get back on your walk and then we'll talk about uh a weird all new godzilla code 191 nice okay how'd you do
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    nice okay how'd you do but cmk says that was wham solving well you know anytime you're shooting the waves you know you're set i don't even hear the wamps is the thing okay i gotta say so uh my daughter got back from visiting the other side of the family and uh you know they heard that she was getting into pinball because we got the pinball machine in the apartment now thank you george again and uh so they're like hey you want to celebrate your birthday out of this arcade and uh so she played
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    out of this arcade and uh so she played godzilla and apparently i'm called too and so like it's always nice to show that like hey like me getting this weird stuff for her to mess around with it's like no she's actually developing like disciplined skills and things right yeah like actual skills yeah and she was so excited though too she's like she's like it was a really big arcade it was a cider cane in austin
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    big arcade it was a cider cane in austin and she was really upset they didn't have she likes hot cider in the winter and she didn't know all the cider there was going to be alcoholic i told her but she didn't you know um but uh yeah so she was really excited though like hey she went out in location she got to put her initials in on a machine um because she had played godzilla when it was in our apartment here and out at uh the music city multi-con uh when they had it on the floor and so yeah that was like the highlight of her weekend
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    that's awesome and i'm sorry i think your daughter is a little bit older than mine is that right yeah she just turned nine okay yeah your birthday was this month and uh yeah awesome and you're gonna have three clothes now right yes she is eight she'll be nine in july ah excellent i'm a jealous of great time to myself born okay now we've we're double double ball juggling over here uh also hans says how is austin texas so
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    uh also hans says how is austin texas so heavily represented on this channel i feel like texas illinois and colorado are your big uh pinball areas in the u.s well i'm hoping that national starts making a bit more of a splash what really messed us up this year with our local convention was that it ended up conflicting with the big uh chicago event so like football expo in chicago was the same weekend as our pinball expo
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    was the same weekend as our pinball expo here being like a huge deal like it had been in years past which maybe it wasn't a big deal like compared to pinburg or the stuff that's on your radar but like i remember the first year i went to um boys they called the grand old game room convention um like they had people demoing um like um what do you call those digital pinball tables like mono has like vpx yeah vpx they had people like demoing
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    yeah vpx they had people like demoing physical vpx tables you could buy they had people selling parts for machines there were a ton of vendors there who were all about pinball but like this year all those guys were up in chicago you know and so yeah we had four godzilla's on the floor and a bunch of other stuff to play but like it was really not the same you know right
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    yeah because because like because expo had pushed back at stake because of coven right as our thing and like realistically if i didn't live in nashville i would have been at expo right i can't let my hometown con you know not you know i can't skip that that's you know you got to support your local events or oh my gosh yeah absolutely oh that's asking jedi about tacos el gordo and yes fuzzy cord this machine does slap that was a it was a decent
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    does slap that was a it was a decent save my hand is still in pain from that slap right there baby godzilla is the go oh frisco i meant to ask also uh oh my gosh tracy when you get back let us know because we do have to we we have to start talking at some point soon about a weird al because i know there are a lot of people wanting to chat about that um and we have sir snarf in the chat right now who happens to work for the company that is doing that
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    so george i'm a little bit ignorant about the internal structure at p3 so i okay embarrass myself that's a really good question sir snarf what is your role i mean besides being uh like a marketing ba and maybe it is just marketing and and just if that sounded bad i didn't mean just is that like a
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    uh no ba isn't badass i just didn't want to swear oh okay that makes sense i was like a bachelor of the arts in marketing okay that's cool i used to work for it at agency we there's no reason to call me sir professor uh sorry about my silence there for a little bit oh my god
    43:32
    little bit oh my god i was buying an octopus i mean if you have the opportunity to have a a an octopus coffee cup holder why wouldn't you i thought and i'm like well well shipped to me darn it i'm trying to hit that mummy and this in this mode you have to work on your mummy actually respelling mummy
    44:03
    actually respelling mummy and it retains uh your progress that's done though so we we got we got one letter of mummy that was really really bad but basically you need to hit jackpots and then go and hit another letter when it's lit and you have to respel mummy and that is how you get one of the eddies to light battle the beast you need all four eddies to get there you've got mummy right there then you've got cyborg you've got a super jackpot in
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    super jackpot in trooper and then the far right is two minutes to midnight getting to two minutes midnight isn't too bad we're already almost there we only have to complete flight of the icarus we just have to get back into mummy now which is kind of a pain in the uh butt actually gonna hop out here for a little bit george at least i hope it is i need to try and pull it through my network a little bit we're currently sleeping and we have about six inches of snow on the way so okay you do you man thank you so much for hanging out
    45:09
    all right [Music] oh no all right we're good we're good we're good [Music] i'll take that nudge so uh speaking about nudging joe you asked the question about the internals of the p3 and i think at that point you were talking about the company did you have questions about like the actual inside workings of the p3 or did were you were you interested enough to know about or you had more questions but you
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    about or you had more questions but you wanted to know where sir snarf was in the business no no i just didn't want to like make a fool of myself by like because like for all like i don't know i'm not like in the pinball community outside of streaming very much right like i know the people that stream in the pinball category i don't even know who
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    johnson for like four months before i ever heard of dead flip okay i don't know the guy's dreams have just got again i don't check that you know right so right i've got all these weird blind spots and that's not a judgment on anybody else that's just how i live my life you know uh and so yeah it's just one of those things where i was like you know for all i know sir snarf started the company in his garage 25 years ago like making just flippers and now it's blown up you know so i just wanted to make sure i didn't say anything stupid uh because yeah i didn't really know what he does but he uh explicitly went
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    what he does but he uh explicitly went in here and said um a little bit of everything mostly marketing and sales yep yeah so that that's actually helpful to know i do understand like fundamentally like what a p3 is and and how it works like you know i've checked out the website uh once again i'm not in a position to be like acquiring things like that um yeah i had my brother over here playing this guardians machine and i made a joke about like yeah this is like the most expensive object in my apartment by like
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    expensive object in my apartment by like double anything else and then i started thinking about i was like oh my gosh that might not be an exaggeration that might be low because we were talking about he's like how do i get one of these and i was like well you gotta know somebody or you gotta put a five thousand dollar deposit down and he's just like well yeah and i'm like well these things are super expensive right now and i was like what else do i have in here it's like okay i got a new mattress that was three hundred dollars dining room table that's nowhere near as expensive as this i got a computer
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    expensive as this i got a computer like all the parts together are like three grand there and i'm like man yeah this is probably the most expensive thing well and even when i was driving it back from georgia i was thinking to myself this thing's worth twice as much as my car i cannot get in an accident right now you know like well that's when insurance covers it you were fine well no i know but like i still george like this was my first time going and picking up a pinball machine it would not be cool if i got the car accident like on the way home it would not be cool if you got into a car
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    not be cool if you got into a car accident because you're joe hills and i don't want you to get in a car accident how about that i appreciate that but like also like the whole way home i was like okay i'm going exactly the speed limit i'm checking my mirrors like just like the most defensive driving possible that guy was passing that guy that's fine i am good with it it's like you know i'm just not going to get any risks but yeah no it's one of those things like um yeah i'm just not in a position where it's like that's something that i could go after uh myself it's it's really neat
    48:48
    go after uh myself it's it's really neat to learn about like how they work and stuff and you know um it's exciting to see what they've been working on um like i was looking at the uh the p-rock uh boards and stuff like that can't figure it out got a podcast about how he had uh taken uh it was either an earth shaker or a whirlwind and like rewrote all the code with custom rules um using one of those um there's just a lot of cool stuff they do so like i'm like aware of that
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    so like i'm like aware of that but yeah just not like in my personal budget for the next year or anything okay okay well you can keep going then with the with with tna i'm good with that and i'm excited to go out to tennessee maybe get a little bit of barbecue wait is is barbecue the thing to get when you're in tennessee i mean well yeah traditionally now the last like 20 years or so it's been hot chicken and that's kind of hit the national stage last three or four years
    49:49
    national stage last three or four years but uh yeah we could think you have to get uh some local hot chicken um and i think that would be a real treat um okay yeah uh i mean oh my god i get nashville hot chicken all the time here so that that totally makes sense though that like so basically like there used to be a few restaurants that were like these like mom-and-pop places owned by african-americans and then like white kids who had parents who were
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    white kids who had parents who were bankers like went and took their recipes and like went national with it but you want like the authentic like local stuff you know you come here okay okay i'm game yeah i don't know and it's one of those things like i've been trying to figure out like um so i guess what we would do is we'd probably stream guardians break it down and then stream tna or i
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    break it down and then stream tna or i don't know how long you're gonna be staying over or what's gonna be happening but we'll figure it out okay yeah i'm definitely down for for two games there's two streams two games streaming yeah that sounds really good especially tna with the sound turned up by the way i am ready for another beverage i'm not sure how you're doing you're not as restricted as i am though by like physical have to stay right here well it's funny because you're uh you're
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    well it's funny because you're uh you're a dicey and or eurydice and i every time he's like oh sorry i forgot talking much george and he starts as soon as he says sorry for not talking about shorts i mute my mic and i'm like okay let me go refill my drinks let me go get some snacks i'm gonna chew on something so no i've refilled my drink i got another uh george stickel on the rocks okay hans also letting me know that the machine was a little bit too loud i just turned it down we've got a little bit of music playing in the background i'm going to turn that up just a hair so there is some background music going on also jedi did i see earlier that you're
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    also jedi did i see earlier that you're going to sell your your one of your pinball machines to further your hobby let's say we'll call it a hobby of uh driving your bronco around is that correct because that seems like you have your priorities in the wrong place and yeah pinsomniac uh pinball mafia allen was i i think when how did snowboarding go i think right you were in recently in colorado
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    and jedi mcmuffin is really thinking about doing it that sounds awful frisco's immediately by the way jumping on that like wait a second wait a second is it an le and can i potentially buy it off of you [Laughter] the after aftermarket hardtop is going to be 6k or a pinball machine you in fact wait oh but you have two more pinball machines coming in right it's a pro with the uv kit george i'm i'm not an expert on all the the nomenclature what is a hard top
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    the nomenclature what is a hard top i am not either so the hardtop that jedi is talking about is on his uh his new bronco he's got the 2022 bronco yeah yeah oh okay okay sorry just for a pinball machine that didn't make any sense but for a pickup truck that i get okay i like the idea though like what could a hard top be on a pinball machine yeah like like like if you've ever seen like those sleeping pods they have at airports like a nap pod imagine right for a football machine and yeah you just
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    for a football machine and yeah you just go under this thing so you don't have all the distractions of the arcade maybe it has some windows on the side like a pickup truck hard top so people can see that you're in there i mean your legs would be sticking out the bottom but like i mean there's a way to do it tess bishop is right there is a hard top a hard top is uh typically what if you have an old messed up play field there's a company that does hard tops that does a very thin layered piece of plastic that's colored and and and positioned and everything's done perfectly where you lay it down on top of the bad play
    54:04
    you lay it down on top of the bad play field and then you play on the on the updated the piece of hard plastic that sits on top and it supposedly is not noticeable in terms of like how it plays so there is a hard top in pinball you know i guess arguably the plastic on top of orbit or one's playfield would probably counter the hard top that is such a weird game oh i know yeah like that's one of those
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    oh i know yeah like that's one of those things where uh we have one at the chattanooga pinball museum in southeast tennessee but we had uh when a game terminal last time i was there and so like uh when i saw that i i grabbed my friends okay this is the weirdest machine that you're ever gonna play we gotta play it and uh yeah everybody's just like i don't know what's going on but it's neat it's it's something it it it i i don't even know what to call it it's in it's a
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    even know what to call it it's in it's a perfect it's a perfect metaphor i feel like in game form for why the pinball hobby died right like it was it was cool it was very unique but how does a how does a company justify that right well i i don't know though like on a certain level if you're like obviously the italian bottom makes sense like it works we understand it but you know i feel like for an industry to
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    you know i feel like for an industry to move forward you have to have a company that's big enough to say we're gonna take some risks and we're gonna do some weird stuff too right and maybe that's only one in ten of the machines you put out yeah but like if every stern machine is as solid as godzilla like godzilla just shoots so naturally like the first time i played it i was just shocked at how naturally it felt like but you can't do every machine as an optimal version of what came
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    as an optimal version of what came before you've got to take some risks and i feel like that's a machine that it took some weird risks and i love it for that okay maybe it didn't move the industry forward but it was a cool engineering challenge for the people that worked on it it gave the gamers an opportunity to see something different i don't know i feel like it's okay to gamble a little bit on stuff like that as long as you don't drive your company underwater true okay and that's a really good point right because you'd have to look back
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    right because you'd have to look back and say how many weird games did that company do and how successful were they were they just making poor decisions to try and and and do something different that nobody else had done or was that the one oddball that someone had a crazy idea one night after smoking a bunch of illicit drugs and and it actually got turned into something because that is a really really weird game well here's the thing too though is you want to give like your talent a chance
    57:09
    want to give like your talent a chance to do something where they feel like they're creatively stretching their abilities right true yeah so yeah if you say hey look a few of your projects in a row are going to be pretty much straight down the middle what people expect but you stick at it for 10 years and you get to do one weird game that makes people want to stay at your company for 10 years rather than starting their own company because if they have this idea for this cool game they really think will work even though it won't they're gonna quit and go start that
    57:40
    they're gonna quit and go start that company right very true yeah you let them try that experiment within the safety of your company and then they work for you for another decade you know you've gotta be willing to throw money toward the creativity of your engineers and your artists if you're gonna have a company that runs for 30 40 years in my opinion okay no no that's really good in fact i was just uh looking at some numbers uh so uh um jazabelle i'm not sure if she's in
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    um jazabelle i'm not sure if she's in the the stream but she sent me some of the school stuff that she was working on right now she's going for a master's in business management and uh i probably am not even saying it correctly but she sent me uh she has an entire class right now she's taking about what it takes uh how much it costs companies to to have turnover what the what's the real cost of turnover and then how do you reduce either the the cost of turnover uh the average cost or how do you reduce turnover itself and what you're
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    reduce turnover itself and what you're describing is spot on with some of the biggest suggestions there also catching up on chat um test bishop pop bumper oh what what risks did godzilla take pop bumper position well but that's what i'm saying though is when i played godzilla i didn't feel like it was taking risks i feel like yeah optimized things that had already been tested there are some cool new concepts in there but there are iterations or evolutions of previous things they're refinements orbiter one is just bizarre right right that's out
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    is just bizarre right right that's out there so you if you're running a company like stern you make the games that are just optimizations and refinement games but then occasionally when you have somebody who's really good and they have a weird idea you know you're gonna lose money on you just say you know what i'd rather you lost money on it here and lose money at your own company yep yep sometimes you take a loss to keep people happy and allow them some artistic freedom and and the thing is some subset of the
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    and and the thing is some subset of the players who actually appreciate the same mechanic as that particular designer will go i love this game and i hate it wasn't more successful i appreciate this company took a risk here and yeah it didn't pan out for them but like for me this is my game this is the one that's for me this is the one that challenged how i think about this and that's great too
    60:19
    there we go there we go all right we're doing things now let's see if we can hit this right ramp got it oh i got hit middle middle nope oh my god no i'm getting that i got it we're good [Laughter] wow it like snuck in the one jackpot there at the very last second i'm not proud of myself in the least especially
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    proud of myself in the least especially since we're already on ball two right now all right so catching back up pinball circus could be mentioned as well okay yep that is pinball circus the multi-level 3d game that really went out there also sorry who was asking who who hi this is joe and i'm pointing to my left i don't know why joe you're in my mind over to my left but you're over here yeah i'm getting the left of most people so that makes sense
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    that's a point right there you're you're plus one fosho [Laughter] vertical yes hi joe and sorry man frisco is definitely an elitist yep no question uh on the on the the tpn discord he is uh he is he is a a well-known elitist at this point cnk says joe is in my right ear you know i'm not in charge of how you balance your stereo i'm a big fan of you just doing your own stuff in your own
    61:52
    just doing your own stuff in your own home thanks i mean the stereo is balanced right now i feel like that was for for comedic reasoning only oh my god when this this these ramps feel amazing i'm gonna throw this out there right now like i had a pro for a while and the game felt good i'm i'm playing an le and this is the best this game has ever felt and these ramps are hitting so solid i don't know if i'm a more accurate player or if these ramps are bigger like it would not surprise me to find that that
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    would not surprise me to find that that these ramps are actually larger on the le for some reason since you're forced to hit them more often you know i i will say george um you know so you bought the pro guardians and i actually had the chance to play the premium on location right this was in my apartment for about two months uh at game terminal and i gotta say you know what yeah there's some extra rgb lights or whatever and there's some spinners but like this is a really solid pro
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    this is a really solid pro it is what you get out of the premium on guardians of the galaxy is it really a huge jump nope so yeah you definitely made a good call there yeah if this is it's it's like one of the the the i don't even know about few there's actually quite a few but it's it's definitely one of the games from stern that it's just not justified
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    [Music] there's a soul shard got it and we got an edible get there oh my god hit that super we need that super jackpot joe
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    i believe in you george that was not it at all my belief was poorly placed [Laughter] it wasn't we're gonna get there oh no we're not nope i'm sorry it was poorly placed you were absolutely right oh but we didn't drain so we at least have that going for us game time you have lost your mind if you think stern has put bigger ramps on the led because you gotta you gotta hit them more game time television i'm having some fun
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    it's just the the the ramps are are that much easier to hit see i just hit the left ramp i couldn't do it on the pro i'm just going to chalk that up to having a lot more experience playing playing i almost said poker i feel like that's indicative of how much time i've spent playing pinball i i think i've just i i think i've just gotten more accurate over time is all i mean i don't know george like a lot of it varies machine to machine too or like even like how clean the individual machine is right so right i took the glass off this guardian and wiped down
    65:21
    glass off this guardian and wiped down like uh the area above the flipper and stuff and all of a sudden it's like i'm getting ramp shots that were like stalling part way up the rail like if you were playing on a machine that just wasn't cleaned properly right it plays very differently it's holding you back you know oh tracy from outer first of all uh whether or not a machine is cleaned absolutely impacts play joe you nailed it on the head which is also why every couple of months i go through and clean and wax
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    months i go through and clean and wax all of my games i i i don't know it's kind of weird um do you have maybe we've talked about this before but do you have any particular home maintenance things that you actually enjoy doing like be it laundry or for me it's vacuuming for some reason i love vacuuming well you know it's one of those things like as a single parent i'm doing all of those things all the time right in some ways that's like the only time that's like
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    like like for me i can just put on a video on youtube and just like zone out and clean or cook and you know but i'm not really particular about the the task and okay you know it's just it's just nice to have some time where it's like i feel like i'm not being negligent because i'm making progress on things that are necessary for maintaining a sanitary cooking environment or whatever but like i'm also you know just like oh i get to listen to this funny video that's nice like
    66:52
    this funny video that's nice like without feeling like oh i should be working right now mm-hmm i totally get that i'm gonna try something really quick i'm gonna mute discord but i hope that doesn't mute our conversation no there's mutant deafen hold on now i gotta actually open it give me a sec there people are pointing out that you can hear discord conversations coming through also test bishop enjoys lint rolling uh and arthur pendragon says i can come out to canva kansas and vacuum his house [Laughter]
    67:24
    [Laughter] all right so i need to mute server okay no no what you need to do is you need to go set your discord to streamer mode they can hear all the uh notification sounds when people are typing and stuff is that what streamer mode does because i always disable it no no streamer mode turns off all the alerts because like any normal person is probably in like 35 to 85 discords right if you use discord at all you don't just
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    if you use discord at all you don't just have one group you're part of and so yes streamer mode just uh disables all of those audio alerts and got it pop up everything so okay that's what you want if you mute that actually mutes like voices okay so i didn't mute i can still hear you i muted two servers for three hours a piece so i think those notifications are off but next time i will just go into streamer mode and then we don't have to worry about that exactly and then when you're not streaming you turn that off and then you get all the notifications you want
    68:29
    uh game time television if you're still on do you see what i'm what i'm saying like i'm i'm able to hit these ramps at will and i feel like i shouldn't be able to do that right now which is why i jokingly said maybe the wham the wamps oh my god i accidentally said wimps maybe the ramps are a little bit bigger on the less maybe maybe yeah maybe maybe that's the that's
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    maybe yeah maybe maybe that's the that's the key is to believe that you can hit the ramp i believe i can hit this right ramp there we go would i have a limited edition i have unlimited potential all right let's see can i hit this left ramp i can hit the left rim
    69:31
    oh my god that's what happens when it gets going too fast as you accidentally send it down that left orbit or left uh left thingy whatever that's called outlane there it is okay by the way tracy is back finished walking the dog and we have sir snarf in chat let's do this so i gotta start i gotta ask that question uh and i think i did maybe before the stream or at the beginning but joe do you like weird al absolutely uh hugely influential in my life i actually have two albums out full
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    life i actually have two albums out full of parody songs um but like yeah no when i was a little kid i would listen to weird albums and be like i want to write my own parodies and it turns out all you need to do is get a distrokit account and have a brother who actually is good at music and just like be like hey here's a song i wrote at 350 dollars can you put this music and like put it on there um so i've probably spent more money paying my musician brother to record the music i've made then to like i've made back on distrokid um but like yeah i mean no weirdo's been
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    um but like yeah i mean no weirdo's been hugely influential uh yeah okay i never got into weirdo so when i saw the license hit it's funny because we i saw fliptronic that's jordan and becca mentioned multiple times and and they kept posting teasers all over facebook i i feel like about it and then multimorphic was posting teasers i was getting all excited and then it was weird out and i have never i've never been uh i i've nev i've never
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    i've never been uh i i've nev i've never been a fan and um i think as a kid uh it would have been the perfect time for it because i love puns like i i have always really enjoyed puns but i never got into leslie nielsen and like the naked gun series i really didn't like air airport air airplane like that style of humor and for whatever reason i i lumped weird al into that same genre so i never really gave weird weird al a chance pinsomniac i
    71:37
    weird weird al a chance pinsomniac i watched it with you guys and i i feel like it's very much probably like three amigos in some ways which i love uh but i i grew up with three amigos so it has that nostalgia factor in the same way that like star wars does for kids uh who grew up in the 80s and and now the the younger generation prefers the early like episodes one two and three yeah i was not a fan of police academy test bishop here's what i'm going to say george about weird al is he's parodying across
    72:08
    about weird al is he's parodying across multiple different genres right yeah and so on any given album he puts out there will be two or three songs where i'm like that's not really for me that's for people who love the originals in that genre and i didn't really like that song the first time i'm not gonna like it with funnier lyrics right right but that's okay because he's doing his own twist on stuff right right so you might have seen him doing stuff that it's like oh that's the stuff i don't like but i i feel like if maybe you you kind
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    but i i feel like if maybe you you kind of broadened your intake of weird out you might go yeah oh there are there are a few things here where i'm like okay that i get that i get you know and that's the that's the thing like i've tried it recently and like uh weird and nerdy or which is a uh i don't know the i can't remember the like the the name of the song that it's a play on it's a parody of riding dirty and it's called white and nerdy white and nerdy comes up on facebook for me for whatever reason like facebook i bet
    73:10
    for whatever reason like facebook i bet i i went into powerpoint two days ago or no yesterday and built a slide deck for the first time in six months i'm not a i don't typically i'm not the person who builds slides in powerpoint i'm the person who writes code or reviews code or uses jira all the time decided to build a slide deck and then the next day facebook is prompting me with like hey did you know you don't actually have to do these things in powerpoint we can just give you 500 slides that have everything and you can copy and paste and change the
    73:40
    you can copy and paste and change the content but on that note facebook knows me in a way that like people i know very well don't know me because it knows what ads to give me and what things to play and it started about a year ago giving me weird out so i i i've listened to probably about four or five songs at this point and i can appreciate them but i missed out on that like in the same way that when i hear limp biscuit or kid rock with ball with the ball and i know that's gonna be a big joke but like i hear those songs and it brings me
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    like i hear those songs and it brings me back to like the the 1998 and and when it was awesome and i loved that style of music or the first time i heard daft punks um um their around the world or whatever they're the other song that was really popular on homework um but it like it brings you back and i missed out on that with weird al so it's not that i dislike it i just i guess i haven't as you said i haven't broadened my horizons enough and then on top of that i didn't i didn't grow up with it
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    with it yeah and i was lucky to grow up with it you know and and not everybody has that and you know i get it um but like it's one of those things where like there are some people who are very good at like one very narrow thing and it's like okay i see why that guy blew up right right weird hell is technologically a stupidly talented musician he's a very talented entertainer he knows how to put on a stage show he knows how to design
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    on a stage show he knows how to design costumes and do all sorts of stuff for like big arena shows like he is just in a lot of ways a consummate entertainer and um you know it's one of those things he's got all these chops for like designing music videos and doing cutting edge stuff with video editing and but because he wasn't just like billy joel where it's like oh this guy plays piano and sings really good he never necessarily got the appreciation maybe
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    necessarily got the appreciation maybe he deserved like right yeah in nerd circles people are like oh yeah i love weird out but like honestly it's one of those things like he does so much stuff so well so much yeah at this point he's directing other people's music videos like he's helping ben folds out with music videos he's uh doing cartoon shows for kids uh he's just all over the place because he's just so talented and like sorry this is just me rambling about how great this guy is no no ramble away i love hearing
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    guy is no no ramble away i love hearing this my point is when you're good at this many things it's really hard to find a niche that resonates on this huge cultural level he's never gonna be bono because he's better at more things right now otto's really good at what bono's good at but it's very narrow got it you're going with the jack of all trades as opposed to uh like the the professional or amazing at one particular things
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    amazing at one particular things exactly and so like you might find out later like oh hey i saw this music video 10 years ago i really like i didn't even know weirdo directed that like or my kid watches the show i didn't even know weirdo was like the show runner for that or like just he's just all over the place you know um and and so yeah i mean i'm not surprised that there are people who have a lot of common interests with me who don't like weirdo because you could see twenty percent of what weird al did
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    see twenty percent of what weird al did i go none of that is for me right but you know if you don't see the other eighty percent and why would you yeah you might not recognize it so i've got a few things there first of all uh i have some amazing photos i took of tracy uh at expo dressed up as weird al and i gotta say tracy looks more like weird al when cosplaying is weird out then weird al does normally whatever weird like tracy looks more like weirdo than weirdo i i don't
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    more like weirdo than weirdo i i don't know how else to say that also game time television have a great night well no tracy has made it when weird out cosplays as tracy though well but sorry tracy would you say that you showed those pictures to weird al like did you get the opportunity to meet weird al uh sir snarf says it's crazy to see on the comments and forums how few haters there are compared to most theme reveals especially music pins it it yeah okay tracy weird al is on point i did post that by the way to the discord earlier
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    that by the way to the discord earlier just we posted them earlier i think i posted them to facebook after expo but i had to repost it just to bring it back because and i think that's in the general channel uh on the discord if you're there uh just below the uh the post where it was either nintendo deramie or maybe tess bishop who posted the the first link this morning it is hard to hate weirdo oh a few times he knows who i am oh my god [Laughter]
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    [Laughter] okay but like you said it go ahead that for me is one of those things like you know when i see things like uh rebecca from hot nudge dressed as elvira at a pinball convention and elvira was like excited to meet her right that is so cool for you but i can't imagine that for myself no as much as i love weird al you know like if there was like a concert where they're like oh you could spend x amount of money and get a behind-the-scenes vip experience where you have dinner with weird al i'm like what would i say to
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    weird al i'm like what would i say to him i feel like you're good at all the things you already know you're like what is that conversation like like that doesn't make your voice better yeah my life better like i'm just going to save the money and go sit in the general audience like i don't need to have dinner with weirdo but like like it's funny because there's some people though who can just like connect with people like that and i i just i don't know like i can't that's not a talent i have
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    like i can't that's not a talent i have like i have to genuinely be interested and and it's not it's not a lack of interest but like um i i've thought about that a few times like i had the opportunity uh several times now to to chat with um um oh my god robert roger sharp right and like i sat down at a table and it was roger sharp me i think two other people and uh and the jersey jack like jersey jack the guy and i'm sitting down at this table and
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    and i'm sitting down at this table and i'm like what do we say like i i got nothing there's nothing it was i was so excited be like wow roger sharp the guy who saved pinball and jersey jack these guys probably have a lot of history this is great they're not going to tell me what themes they're working on i don't really care about what it takes to manage a pinball business and the big thing roger sharp is known for is licensing stuff but he won't be able to talk about it at all so you know the weather like like what i guess i i
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    the weather like like what i guess i i totally feel what you're saying well and like i i've like ended up at bars with like um i don't know if you know jerry hulkins who i do not the ceo of penny arcade oh cool with like packs and stuff and like i i go to pet i go to pax all the time and like i keep ending up the same places as him and i never have anything to say to him but like his low-level employees i'm like oh my god you guys did a great job with this part of the event oh hey i
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    job with this part of the event oh hey i saw on twitter that you were working on this part of the event and it kicked ass like like i can i can relate to the people on the ground doing the work to make the event happen but if i'm at the bar next to jerry hulkins i'm just like good convention yep [Laughter] i don't know i don't know how to run a company at the tail i don't have anything like he doesn't need anything from me
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    happening around me that's the entire weekend right yeah where it's like you know the random person who's like helping the people like get their booth set up you know i run into them at the bar and i'm like dude there are so many great guests at this convention i there are so many cool things like whatever you guys were doing on the floor to make this all happen it happened and i love it i know how to talk to those people right you know how to talk to the guy at george you know no no all right sir snarf by the way it's
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    it's uh i just got sir says to be fair you did a great job of connecting with the voice behind the machine so there's a story around this the voice behind the machine is one of the voice actors who has done a bunch of voice acting for pinball machines throughout the history of of of pinball machines hey saila hb we can buy followers primes and viewers with you how awesome is that i love it um so there was this guy i usually
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    um so there was this guy i usually banned those people but like how you brought your thing yes um i okay so really really nice guy but he um it was one of those like he walked up and you could tell he wanted us to recognize him and nobody was reaching out to give this guy that little bit of feedback he was hoping to have and in my mind i'm just imagining this guy who was invited to be a part of expo
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    who was invited to be a part of expo and and probably telling a dozen if not 40 people that he was the voice behind the machine on in in pinball multiple times and and all of this is happening right after by the way uh sir star myself and a lot of other people uh went out to my car and grabbed beers and then also grabbed a fresh thing of really good whiskey that i i loved it was a whistle pig i think it was so we all took uh finished off i think sir snarf
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    took uh finished off i think sir snarf and i finished off the uh the whistle pig and uh and anyway this guy walks up i'm fairly intoxicated at this point have this moment of like ridiculous empathy i think for maybe what this guy was going through because i have no way to sympathize with that but it was a ridiculous amount of empathy so i fed into it a little bit as he was talking to a group of us with sir snarf and asked him for oh can you do any of the voices and the guy could not have been more happy to run
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    could not have been more happy to run through he did like star wars soliloquies as multiple characters and like borderline started singing to us yeah sir snarf a little bit a little bit i fed into it and at the end i feel i feel like i don't remember the guy's name but i feel like he walked away once again like secure in in in whatever his belief like where he resides in in the pinball world and the like pinball zeitgeist right
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    and the like pinball zeitgeist right like he was good he walked away and that made his night was just people asking him to do some voices so i don't look at that like it was a bad thing at the same time he didn't stop for roughly an hour it like it was it was probably 45 minutes of voices in conversation well and so that's the thing though is if somebody just has like a badge that says guest right i love not knowing who somebody is
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    i love not knowing who somebody is and saying oh hey i see you're a guest i'm having a great time at the con what what are you doing here what's what's your role like what what are you uh you know and like if that person's like oh yeah i was in theater of magic as you know the guy that yells the name of the trip like that's awesome i could right like immediately like excited and activated about that right but like if if you were just like hey jokes you want to have dinner with gary spern it's like oh
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    it's like oh no no what am i gonna do there like like if i didn't know who he was i would be fine but like i just i just don't i'm not one of those people that's like oh i gotta go talk to this famous person yep i need to have like the most important things they could contribute to my life they're already contributing with the work they're already doing like i love elvira but like honestly the only thing i would have to say to
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    the only thing i would have to say to elvira in person is could you sign this thing for my girlfriend who really loves you too yes because i got like no meaningful conversation right i don't know that's not something i need but like i could go okay somebody else in my life who's important to me has this but like you know for a lot of these people that that's not the case like you know it's like they're they're living their best lives and i'm happy for them and like i've had to have like tips in the
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    like i've had to have like tips in the night you know yep nope yeah i'm right there i got you um there's so catching back up three hours later sir snarf it was legitimately i think at least 45 minutes uh yes tess bishop he was a voice actor and did a bunch of work for pinball machines uh well he did before this stream wait three hours later a little bit party mods yeah he was very good he was sir snarf very good yeah it's
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    snarf very good yeah it's and uh i don't know i feel like it wouldn't uh so joe have you ever been forced into that situation not just like i don't want to have to deal with it so i'm not going to make it happen but you're thrust into into a situation where you're having to talk to somebody whom you might appreciate their work but you don't know what to say or talk about is that something that that you've been a part of well yeah that's literally what i'm just like describing with jerry hulkins oh sorry with i i thought that was a um
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    sorry with i i thought that was a um that was that was a real example that's awesome like okay it's just like this guy he runs penny arcade and he does an amazing job he makes all these things i love but like i'm just like he doesn't need validation from me no you know and like i don't need anything personal from him because all of the things he puts out in the world are already such a positive influence on my life it's like i don't i don't have anything to say like let's just sit here and drink our beers
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    just sit here and drink our beers you know yep uh you know and that's fine in my opinion like sometimes you just want to go to a bar and have a drink but like um yeah i mean so that that has happened where i've been like in these situations with people who are like hugely influential in things i care about but like uh you know i'm i'm not that sort of person that goes out there and thinks that you know yep so and it's weird because i will say like the the counter example to this
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    the the counter example to this is somebody that a lot of people here know is scott denisey like i love total nuclear annihilation and it's got sneezy's just on like discord all the time you're like hey anybody want to play yard chat anyone i want to play mini golf like let's pile around and like like this is just like a super approachable guy but like there's a difference between like one guy who built stuff in his garage and like one guy who runs a company or runs a series of conventions or is like weird al who does like you know
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    weird al who does like you know several albums over the course of you know 60 years or something you're like you know because like weirdo's been around for a long time now right and scott's super approachable right like that i feel like that's just part of his mo yeah yeah and that's the thing it's like i love paddling around with scott denisey but like that's just a cool thing that people who are alive right now get to do that like maybe like our grandchildren will be jealous of like you know i you know it's one of those things like
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    i you know it's one of those things like i'm not saying he's the next tesla or edison or anything but like maybe no but yeah let's give him another 30 years and see what he gets done you know um but like no and so that's the weird thing though is there are some like people who are just like on the ground in the trenches i have no problem hanging out with and engaging with it's just like when those people are both in the trenches creating stuff but also running like media empires i'm like i don't know there's just
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    i'm like i don't know there's just something about it where i'm like this guy probably gets 100 people who want to get close from a day right i just don't want to be that guy all right like i don't i it just it just makes me feel like i could give them their space like there's already enough sick offense probably this person has to deal with yeah yeah and not that i want to be a sick event for somebody who's in the trenches either but like you know like
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    you know like i just know how hard it is even even though i feel like i'm a relatively successful creative person like you know just getting by is difficult if you're somebody who's trying to put something good out in the world like but you also have responsibilities it's you know a challenge and so it's nice to hear nice things occasionally about the work i'm doing you know but like i guess once the person is like run away wealthy i can't connect to them anymore because i am so far from that right right yep
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    i am so far from that right right yep you know like for somebody who's just like yeah i'm making this stuff and like i think it's good but like i don't know if anything's gonna come from it you know like i guess yeah that i get yeah no no i uh i'm right there with you so alan says he wants to do some voice acting for a pin it'd have to be southern theme though you need a twang i'm your guy move over red and ted i don't know red and ted wait wait wait that's red and head road show you know red and ted i do not know red and ted what is red
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    i do not know red and ted what is red and ted road show this is a classic uh like where you got the days of the week and you get paid on friday and you're traveling east to west across america got a bulldozer there's two puppets on the thing oh my gosh wait why is there a bulldozer well because okay oh wait it's a roadshow reference i have never played roadshow what i have never played roadshow uh it's always broken is the problem
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    uh it's always broken is the problem i've been to several places where it's at but it is always disabled because something doesn't work on it oh my gosh if we can get you to game terminal when you're in nashville we're gonna play road show cause this is this is like a cornerstone game for me i love roadshow okay done yeah it's one of those you know what it's uh it has the talking faces on it as it has it has two talking faces on it
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    as it has it has two talking faces on it actually and uh for whatever reason there's another game that has a talking face called funhouse and funhouse is scary roadshow is not i feel like it's the hard hats on roadshow that make it seem a lot less demonic but funhouse seems demonic to me oh i gotta go back up well i feel like in funhouse it's supposed to be like a creepy puppet to some degree you know what i mean like it's it's borderline uncanny valley whereas like
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    whereas like red and ted's roadshow is just like so much more approachable i don't know okay no i could i could see that they're blue collar they're traveling across the country demolishing things you know destroying is always easier than creating like i don't know um but yeah wow so and this is one of those other weird blind spot things i'm not trying to call you out on this but this actually parallels the weird elf thing a lot okay where if just every place you went roadshow never worked
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    roadshow never worked then of course you don't like roadshow of course you don't know it oh i wouldn't say that i don't like roadshow i just haven't ever had the opportunity to actually play it and also tracy i want to throw out there says ha that makes sense george i i feel like it's a it's a wide body there's a lot going on in that game and i'm imagining there are other people who also understand who have seen that game broken often yeah no and i i get that it's one of those things like um
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    things like um you know it's a pat lawler game and it's um they they sold a lot of them uh truck stops level you know right that maybe makes sense i don't know like wouldn't you want something to escape from reality well the thing is though that like it is validating well and once again this goes back to you have a job that feels relatively thankless it's nice to hear like hey you're doing a good job you know truckers don't have any differences between you and me right
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    any differences between you and me right truckers don't have what oh that that's very true like we were talking earlier about like yeah like weird al or the people who run these conventions they have these hangers on stick advance and whatever whereas the people on the ground doing the work don't and so telling them like you did a great job i'm having a great time thank you so much means more to them right make sense because there's nothing you can get from them beyond what you already got which is the convention or the event or whatever you know
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    the event or whatever you know yeah and so for truckers hanging out oh yeah i'm gonna play this game about these people traveling across america yeah that's cool okay i guess i would love to play a game themed by hackers there we go that makes sense just a computer programmer in general i could totally get and i've played a bunch of first-person games i've never seen a pinball machine themed after my sequel but you know
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    and then as you upgrade you have to do unions and it gets really tough it's like we got love joy we've got like the right do something in lanes there like there's a lot you could do with my sequel as a pinball concept and this is why i'm not commercially viable uh a couple things catching up here by the way jazabelle have a great night manu is in the stream and manu said what was it george has never played a valuable belly williams table in his life give him a break i have played a
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    life give him a break i have played a couple at least he says he asked you to play a williams.matrix game at pre-gold watch and you threw up a bit in your mouth okay what game was it we're gonna have to drag you out to game terminal when you're in national george oh my god we played medieval madness would i say we're gonna have to drag you out mr hard luck is actually a professional wrestler i don't know if you realize that i had no idea
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    you realize that i had no idea oh yeah yeah so that's why he was saying um uh somebody earlier was like man george is way too buff i hope joe hills isn't buff and mr looks like yeah well we've got an arm wrestling thing planned so you know um but no i mean he's gonna thrash me at that um but yeah like mr hard luck could probably physically drag you to game terminal will make you play a valley voting table okay so there was an offer to arm wrestle at some point i remember seeing it and i got distracted so i never addressed it but mr hard luck you're
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    addressed it but mr hard luck you're saying could beat me in arm wrestling don't don't don't take mr hard luck on yeah yeah mr harlock and i i had said hey if you ever get down to tennessee for a convention we'll do an arm wrestling thing on stream and so yeah so challenge accepted says mr hard luck okay okay now we both gotta arm wrestle and if you're gonna be here that same weekend you know done uh i'm assuming you're i don't know how arm wrestling works like do you have lefties versus righties i'm assuming only
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    versus righties i'm assuming only lefties can arm wrestle lefties or do you have to be able to to go both ways i mean like your arms should be like equally strong or you're going to have like really awkward like giant arm on one side did you ever see that m9 movie the one with the about the mermaids no but i do remember there was like a delbert comic about bowlers and all of them have one big arm just one one very big arm okay but but like yeah no realistically like you know your arms
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    realistically like you know your arms should be about the same strength you might have different dexterity you know and and talent um you know with fine motor skills on one arm than the other but like yeah you should be able to yeah that's a good point i'd say they they in like looking at my arms like they're not me somehow they're but independently they can they can both lift i think the same amount i just yeah i have less coordination and dexterity with the left hand yeah arm wrestling's not about coordination oh now i have to go back and
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    oh now i have to go back and mpt 3k who says george feel free not to read anything i say in chad tonight i had a tough day and about two drinks in oh this is about to get good i think okay well before we read that though i do want to say mano we love you even if you're having a rough day and i'm about to pull my third drink so like you know gg i don't know cheers this is the whiskey bean porn sound heck yeah more whiskey in fact i'm gonna go to gin i think after this just straight gin also over the top is a pinball machine
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    also over the top is a pinball machine what are your thoughts there over the top is that that was uh the arm wrestling um i'm trying to think of his name right now sylvester stallone was uh you missed i have blend spots too i don't know what over the top is i know what over the hedges i never saw the film but it's like a a benfold scored film about squirrels or something i don't know what over the top is okay now over the top is
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    over the top is okay now over the top is a sylvester stallone 80s movie where he is i think a truck driver who's struggling uh to to be a good father to his child i don't know if they're divorced or his mom died but he's basically trying to keep his kid i almost said keep ownership uh keep um custody of his kid and uh and to do so he somehow it's tied to him arm wrestling and it's very much like uh rocky rocky arm wrestles
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    arm wrestles okay you know i just i gotta say like i don't know what rocky arm wrestles is but part of me is like this sounds a lot like face off in terms of how absurd it is and i would love a pin where you got both cage and travolta to do all the call outs and depending on which mode you're in whether you're in nicholas cage mode or john travolta mode you know all the different sounds swap out between like um you know soundtrack 1 and soundtrack 2. it's funny you said you said face off and immediately i want to be like did
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    and immediately i want to be like did you know that face-off was based on the iliad like i'm trying to repeat back to you what you told me what you taught me immediately because that's still mind-blowing to me that that movie actually had some like uh literary depth to it how awesome is that well but here's the thing though is if you're gonna waste a lot of the studios money you've really got to go back to the basics you got to be like we're going to do romeo and juliet but with guns
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    we need to take a step back there joe because romeo and juliet from the 90s with leonardo dicaprio was amazing right oh i'm not complaining about it i'm just saying that's that's how you waste a lot of a studio's money okay okay also we haven't seen the shakespearean pinball table yet but like also like i would love to design one here's the thing though george is i am not anywhere near like competent or able to do that sort of thing yet
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    do that sort of thing yet but like when i think about like when i retire from doing like youtube and streaming at like 65 or 70 like 30 years from now i would love to have my second career being like doing stupid pinball machines yes like like give me 30 years to get there because i'm not going to be able to do it no no no no you can get there faster you can get there faster and this is the perfect segue to bring it back in because hey we've still got sir snarf and tracy in the chat and b the p3
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    and tracy in the chat and b the p3 is uh is a unity-based uh pinball machine the sdk is c-sharp in unity how silly is that i know and like i was a professional developer before i became an entertainer right like yeah like there is a pathway back to this that isn't absurd but like i also know like in order to like make my budget targets for the next year and a half to three years like this is not a short-term goal yeah i need to focus on getting my entertainment
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    focus on getting my entertainment business off the ground and then like as a retirement project come back to this stuff like it's it's not gonna happen soon sir starf also yes um because everyone knows i'm a i'm a big fan of harry potter and i have all the harry potter tattoos i get sent weird stuff about harry potter fairly often and one of the ones that was sent recently i think by my brother originally was harry potter with guns um also there's there's some really
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    um also there's there's some really really good ones out there with harry potter it is absolutely comedy gold yes did you ever watch the harry potter musical i feel like we talked about this in one of our first calls on voice and i don't know if you ever got to it is that the one that's done with muppets no no it's uh it's a bunch of college kids in minnesota and there's a lot of snow and not a lot of anything else to do in minnesota don't panic flip we just got a sub
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    don't panic flip we just got a sub that's liptronic coming in super excited about weird owl cheers watching someone else oh my god tracy if you know weird owl you you you need to get one of those from weird out right there and making sense anyway every time i watch mp3k now now that he's got guardians
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    he's got guardians in his uh garage or whatever uh-huh like i have a hard time voting for riffs because i'm just like you know what while we're in the theater if i'm not actively riffing i want to play guardians like i'm seeing him play guardians and he's so much better than me and i understand why it's because he practiced more for a long time right you know how you catch up it's by practicing more right now right you know love that mentality i i have to reiterate that to my daughter all the time like it's
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    my daughter all the time like it's gotten to the point where she's doing yeah dude it means practice like that's when when when my kid or if i hear anybody's kid say i'm not good at that i'm like well how do you get better that's my immediate follow-up but practice and my kid is trying to do 10 minutes instead of 15 minutes of piano practice a day and she loves lindsay sterling so my go-to is you and i do this little eye thing with her i'm like do you think lindsay sterling got to where she is by just practicing for 15 minutes a day
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    practicing for 15 minutes a day no and that's no she probably puts you know four or five hours into day i'm like exactly if that's the level you want to get to you need to put in the effort you have to practice you have to get to that point natural ability gets you a little bit closer but it's all it is it's a head start you got to work towards that 10 000 hours if you want to hit that awesome and that requires practice so i i love i love that sentiment one of my friends um came up with this idea
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    came up with this idea you know there's this einstein quote that says um doing the same thing over and over again is a def and expecting different results is the definition of madness and one of my friends who who loves like picking up new instruments and learning how to play them he says doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is the definition of practice [Laughter] that's a really good comeback because that's a really popular line right when somebody wants to call you out for something
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    you out for something yeah and it's one of those things where it's like you know um with my kid like you know sometimes it's like hey look i'm doing things that i'm really lucky i can do for a living as an entertainer a lot of people cannot break even as an entertainer year over year but like my dad went to school with lady gaga's dad and he's always like hey lady gaga just bought her dad a restaurant how's youtube going can you buy me a restaurant and i'm like no
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    restaurant and i'm like no no i can't you know what the difference is he sent her to juilliard where she got a classical musical education and i was in the public school system like what do you want from me okay like so you know i got i can explain to my kid like look if you work at something and you have people who are there to coach you and train you you're gonna get better than somebody who just does it on their own now they might do okay you could still make a living doing this there's guys up in wisconsin who make a
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    there's guys up in wisconsin who make a living playing accordion they're known here now but they make a hundred grand a year playing accordion and you've never heard of them by the way undergrad a year playing accordion that's really good that's stupidly good right that is the accordion right it's like a it's like a piano on one side and you have to do this while you're playing it yeah but like those people exist and uh it's one of those things where it's like look you know you can go out there and you can make a good living
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    there and you can make a good living doing all sorts of things in entertainment but like you know there's a huge difference between the person that practices five hours a day and has a professional coach and somebody who doesn't yeah well and that's exactly what um oh my god um something gladwell uh marcus or something sorry malcolm gladwell uh talks about with um with hockey in canada and how kids uh and there's there's consistency in professional hockey players all being
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    in professional hockey players all being born in something like uh it's it's like july august and september because of the date they're born and when the cutoff dates for school they are physically the oldest in their classes when they start so they have an extra year of physical development which means that when they start at like five or six years old or however young when the uh there's like these rotating groups in canada that go around and pick up kids basically and and and help decide whether or not
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    and and help decide whether or not they're going to be amazing and if you can get it started early enough they get it to better schools they get into better uh one-on-one teachers and that training and that focus hits much much earlier so they hit that 10 000 hours much faster than the average person not that people outside of that window don't get into professional hockey it's just there's some really great numbers that that that uh that illustrate that point well and that's the thing is like having parents who are able to like connect their kids to opportunities you know so
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    their kids to opportunities you know so some kids have to be born at the right time or the right place some parents are able to get their kids the right coaches and whatnot like you know i don't know what my kid is going to want to do you know when she's a grown-up uh but like it's one of those things where i want to structure my life where she'll have opportunities i didn't have because my dad wasn't lady gaga's dad and i just made up everything as i went but like you know it turns out it really helps if you have somebody like
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    helps if you have somebody like you know getting you into the right schools or getting you the right training from like the age of 13 or 15 or whatever yeah and uh you know so that's one of those things where like you know i tell my kid like hey there's no pressure you can do whatever you want but like i travel all over the country and i do these events and i meet people like you know she's like you know her new thing she's like i want to do research on stuff for nasa because i like the pictures that come back from the telescopes i'm like awesome
    111:55
    i'm like awesome i meet a lot of people who work at nasa when i go to packs and things like that like this is something i can help you with if you decide you want to do something else later i'll help you with that instead this is not me like slotting you in here and expecting you to do this forever but like right i have structured my life so i i have connections my dad never had and i want to help my kid in ways my dad could never help me you know yeah and like i i think that that's like arguably uh
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    uh one of the things i'm most successful at like even though it's not going to pay off for 20 years for her like you know like because like you know my dad made a decent wage and made sure we have what we needed and i'm making a decent wage and i'm making sure we have what we needed you know but like you know what are the differentiators you know it's going out and meeting people right yeah yeah that's awesome and i love hearing that that's so freaking cool
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    are you a fan of mr al manu is a fan of weird al also somebody earlier said you may be a fan of weird al but if you checked out unusual george i thought that was funny weird al george that's the current topic yes i'm i'm familiar with the fact that the weird al is definitely the topic [Laughter] we do we we like we'll go off on a tangent and then we'll circle back and find some segway that brings us back to p3 or whiskey and that's the thing though fliptronic is like we talked about weird al
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    is like we talked about weird al before and so like we gotta like give it time to breathe so the people who heard it an hour ago they all went to bed now we can talk about it again and we're not retreading the same ground you know very good point also i just realized that my phone's upstairs and i want to go make a gin and tonic but i need the mobile cam so you've got the you've got the calm for a second while i go grab my phone i have the con eye [Laughter]
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    [Laughter] you've got the com yeah so uh mp3k says sir snork if i send you my 1k deposit next month how long do i have to come up with the rest so uh that's obviously a question about the multimorphic uh you know delay between getting a reservation and getting a machine ooh i can help answer that a little bit i know that uh i put my deposit back in at expo which was september last year and i may get mine in may
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    so if that helps that's actually really encouraging knowing that there's a long lead time because it's a lot easier for somebody like me to get a thousand dollars together than to get like the entire cost of a p3 together you know yeah okay so you're saying it's encouraging because there's a decent wait time so you can put in that thousand now and basically know that you don't have to come up with it instantly that you might have several months before before that that that hits
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    before before that that that hits well yeah because otherwise like i would want to wait until i had the whole amount right so but like i mean obviously like i said like my main like youtube series is on uh kind of hiatus right now so it's a bad time for me to get a thousand dollars i'm not gonna do that but like you know is in a very different situation than i am so so i am trying to connect oh my why is my oh my ip address is off because i'm not on wi-fi that explains why i can't get this camera to show up
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    why i can't get this camera to show up just bear with me a second sorry sorry now i'm just watching uh beck's yellow flip chronic for nda stuff ah yeah don't uh don't cross the streams all right now we're ready to go make a beverage uh i should throw up the chat over here though be good nda yeah and frisco frisco knows what he's talking about um i just realized i don't know if if
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    i just realized i don't know if if frisco wants others to know what frisco does i don't know if you've actually i've ever heard frisco talk about what he does for a living on stream so i'm not going to say that i don't can can we see this over here close enough this by the way is the greatest of jinns monkey47 i cannot recommend it enough i just freaked out for a second because i thought wow i hope i'm not being too loud and waking up zoe but actually i'm the only one here zoe is with her mom tonight so i can be all the loud i want
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    tonight so i can be all the loud i want to be right now well there you go uh fresco pinball says i don't care so here's the thing is i assume frisco pinball i'm like i don't know what do they make in frisco texas you know maybe those texas instruments produce calculators out there i mean i don't know what frisco pinball does but now now i'm starting to think they maybe work on something pinball related you know the way you're talking oh no frisco you should you should let the chat know what it is uh what it is you do
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    because i think it's really freaking cool what i found out i'm like oh my god i thought he was just kind of a pinball geek but he's way cooler than a pinball geek like he's this his his side hustle is a pinball geek well he says he's weird out but i'm guessing that's not a side hug [Laughter] well i'm not outing somebody on this so in the same way that i work for the government i will not commit to what what branch of the government i work for uh i'm not outing others
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    uh i'm not outing others here we go uh von kraft raiding with a party of one you're amazing thank you why is it just okay did i miss something right there no okay that was don't know what that was all about so i got to catch back up he is my cousin vinnie i want to be cool insane oh he is my cousin vinnie exactly
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    insane oh he is my cousin vinnie exactly yep that's no joke i'm also an insanely good sports betting analyst right um wow that is a lot of gin i mean like you know if you ever like drank the water out of the bottom of a christmas tree you know uh pedestal i mean i'm just not a gin guy i don't know like every time i have it i'm like you know i i there are other ways to see what a christmas tree tastes like you could eat the needles like it's just not
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    could eat the needles like it's just not for me i don't know give me some tennessee whiskey i'm good but i'm just not a gin guy so um how many different gins have you tried just like standard gins well that's the thing though is like you know i've been to bars and somebody's like oh the gin here is really good and i'm like i'm not gonna have one i'm gonna order something else lily try my gin it's really good and i'm like it still tastes like a christmas tree
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    still tastes like a christmas tree i would know how many different gins i've had probably three to six but okay they're all from the same place because they all taste the same to me i can't tell the difference okay i when i when i come out by you we're gonna do a couple of gin tastings and i'm gonna tackle it the same way i fell in love with coffee which is we're gonna put so much sugar into the gin that you don't really taste it initially and then i mean i like my coffee black just like my metal but you
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    coffee black just like my metal but you know what i'm gonna indulge you on this george okay my guess when you come to tennessee so we're gonna do a gnt with a splash of grenadine right and by splash we're gonna throw a decent amount into it and we're gonna call it a dirty temple and we'll get ourselves uh aviation gin which doesn't have any of the juniper flavor right it's just basically a smooth tasting alcohol that happens to at that point it will basically be a dirty temple and that is your gateway i feel like
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    and that is your gateway i feel like that's all everything needs is a gateway that works and suddenly your your your mind and your mouth and your taste buds all can appreciate that flavor a little bit more than they used to because i was in the same boat as you uh and then i had to go gluten-free so i started getting into the mixed drinks and somebody made me a gmt and like randomly i'm like i don't like gmts throw some grenadine into it and it came out it looked like a shirley temple i'm like i could drink that i think it was maybe a mixture of already being drunk and the
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    mixture of already being drunk and the fact that it was also super sweet but i love i love gin now it's just it went from i i can't stand it to aviation gin actually works really really well so now i've branched out and i do all the weird gins with all of the crazy juniper like it tastes like a like a christmas tree you nailed it on the head i can't i couldn't even describe it better than that you know george like i am to some degree like i've never tried a gin that didn't taste like a christmas
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    gin that didn't taste like a christmas tree and i'm really like unable to believe anything could be otherwise however i am one of those people if you come here to my home and you want to suggest something as a treat oh no i dropped the telephone while gesturing oh don't drop the telephone i know i know you're not really supposed to do that oh my god i have a rotary phone in my office it's like one of those old 1950s bell telephone and my kid is like why do you have this like old style cell phone
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    you have this like old style cell phone and i'm like that's not what that is ah okay because everything's a cell phone why would you ever own anything that's not a cell phone why would you have a phone that's not connected to a cellular network you have to break these things into cells because otherwise it can't move evenly from tower to tower um but you know what anyway that's fine my point was here's the thing is like if you come here and you want to suggest this you have earned that right by coming all the way here from colorado
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    by coming all the way here from colorado i will give you the benefit of the doubt on basically anything okay good done like i'm really gonna go into this open-minded also i it's the sort of thing at the same time i can't imagine being open-minded about i will give you the benefit of the battleless okay done it's gonna happen i'm gonna bring aviation or we're gonna purchase it when i get out there one of the two got to catch up on a few things here first of all uh fliptronic says george i know you don't love weird al but do you
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    know you don't love weird al but do you have a song you enjoy the most i i get the song uh white and nerdy stuck in my head all the time and we mentioned that earlier and it's because facebook knows me better than any person or human i know which is really disappointing actually um do you uh uh joe do you have a favorite weird l song oh i thought you said you were gonna say do you have a facebook because i was gonna go off on like no facebook is the worst ever i had to work with their api
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    worst ever i had to work with their api when they first opened it up and it was ruinous i'm trying not to swear on your stream like i don't swear a lot when i'm doing this but like oh my gosh hey if if you need to drop a swear to like illustrate the point you do it they would make api changes at seven o'clock on a friday pacific time and i'm on central time and my boss is calling me on saturday going why is this broken and i'm like it wasn't broken when i left work it shouldn't be broken now oh good they
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    it shouldn't be broken now oh good they made an api change after i left and uh you know so basically like if you wanna know why i don't trust facebook it's because i had to work with them and they're terrible and i will never work with them again or basically use anything they use um like i shut down my instagram and they want instagram like i don't have a quest i bought a valve index and motto keeps saying every time i talk to mono about vr he's like oh you bought a valve index that's a big spend you know compared to the quest and i'm like well i didn't
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    the quest and i'm like well i didn't check how much the quest cost because it was never an option for me ah because it's facebook okay yeah because it's facebook and i don't have i i just i don't even check because why would i care about something i'm never gonna buy how much it costs like right so okay sorry but so on that note you don't have a facebook but what is your favorite weird l sock oh um oh boy that's a hard one um because he has a lot of good ones
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    because he has a lot of good ones um that's also what she said by the way sorry i don't throw those out often but it made sense at that moment no that's sir uh he has an amazing cover uh like he does all these great medleys where he takes a bunch of modern pop songs at whatever era the album comes out at and turns it into polkas and he had a bohemian rhapsody polka that's really good um at the same time like
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    like it you know it's it's really hard to say that um a parody of american pie he did about star wars um episode one wasn't like super influential for me because i really liked star wars when i was a kid and i really liked wardell that came out that was a huge convergence also i'm getting like a battery warning on my uh headphones so i might need to go in like the next 10 minutes but uh okay yeah you got to finish your your whiskey in the next 10 minutes and i will do my
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    in the next 10 minutes and i will do my best to finish oh wow i'm feeling i'm feeling this drink we need to finish our drinks in the next 10 10 minutes it's also 12 30 so we are approaching uh i think we're at last game of the stream maybe we try and make this all happen here we've been to unlike you i've got to get my kid to school in the morning yeah i don't so i i have my first meeting at 8 30. i will be waking up at 8 27 which leaves me just enough time to brush my teeth before making my way to the basement
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    oh yeah this is going to be a good game i can definitely feel it dang manu that's a nice mustache i don't know george you missed this earlier but you can put the metal ring off the monkey 47 cork and wear it on your finger really second place andy i did not see that uh also i heard weird al bohemian rhapsody first and when i heard queen's version i thought it was vastly inferior wow that's i mean queen and weirdo are very good at
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    queen and weirdo are very good at different things but like i mean it's a pretty interesting bohemian rhapsody interpretation like if you're gonna cover a song like that's a really good cover i don't know that i've heard the bohemian rhapsody cover so now i'm thinking so one of one of my stupid hobby projects when i have extra money is i came up with this idea for a fake genre because i'm really into like definitions of this
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    definitions of this and i came up with this idea for a genre that doesn't exist but like if i was writing like a sci-fi series that took place 25 years in the future this would be like in the bars playing in the background type of genre right okay are you familiar with the outlaw country at all you mean from like archer when one of the main characters just keeps repeating the phrase outlaw country yeah yeah i mean that's pretty close okay like outlaw country was already a thing they got it in archer um
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    thing they got it in archer um but yeah so are you familiar with like the fact that waves i feel like there's a joke in there somewhere but i'm not going to be able to get there right now and i'm going to blame the gym the joke is out scott country what if the next wave is
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    so one of my brothers is a musician and whenever i get a little bit of extra money um i write these weird songs and i pay them to record them in this thing that's kind of like you know how sky is like punk with horns outspot country is like punk with harmonica hey okay um like i need i i really now that we're talking about this i need to get him to do an out scott country version of bohemian rhapsody i just want you to know tracy is so upset that the weirdo convo turned into a ska conversation
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    you know tracy can dial in at any time and like literally change the direction of the conversation please continue i totally interrupted i'm so sorry uh don't uh sorry that was a hundred percent of it is i was like i need to get a few hundred dollars because won't though human rhapsody be like if it was ska but with harmonicas instead of horns no one knows
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    no one knows okay i'm the only one who's getting fun with this he's not gonna do it on his own you know right i need to work harder clearly [Laughter] that that to me is like the most amazing justification for uh sorry what's the form of government that has to do with just making money i am really struggling with words right now thank you yes that's the best
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    thank you yes that's the best justification for capitalism i think i've ever heard well but here's the thing though george is this comes back to orbiter one where we were talking about like you take a certain amount of your money and just put down weird stuff that you do i'm sorry can we just all appreciate the fact that when i said that your response was no no this all comes back to orbiter 1. no but this is like i take a certain amount of my income and i say i'm going to give this to my brother to make weird music that wouldn't exist otherwise
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    i agree i'm all for harmonica scott is making stuff that doesn't exist otherwise um i love it i love it electronic says orbiter one is a parody of pinball yeah well out scott country is a parody of music and we're making as much as i can afford
    131:36
    oh i got a i got a thingy dude i got a soul shard that was awesome all right so in this game every time you complete a mode you light a soul shard and i think it gets multiplied maybe for each prior soul shard you got i don't actually know any of the rules around soul shards sir snarf that's communism i like that so orbiter one is the parody of pinball i can agree with that the words just roll off the tongue tracy i have dressed this weird allen multiple occasions oh my god tracy by the way i
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    occasions oh my god tracy by the way i saw your post on facebook that was amazing tracy did an entire photo shoot as like sexy uh weird al okay you're not gonna sell me on facebook no matter how awesome i'm so no no no this is worth going to facebook for like tracy you nailed it
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    and i appreciate it oh my god tracy that's not even all of them tracy how do how do i get how do i get the rest of them okay stay on facebook i'm sorry i'm like not even paying attention to the pinball right now i just want to know how we can get the full photo shoot oh right dpf check out the only fans account okay
    133:08
    wow there's a lot of gin in there did you guys actually see me pour the gin in there are we talking capitalism oh i mean in ferris storage i'm literally drinking whiskey with ice in it so like i mean there's not a lot of questions like how is joe mixing these drinks i'm not there's there's no mixing oh my god this is the night right because manu was two drinks in earlier i'm assuming manu manu you're three drinks in at this point i think you're
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    drinks in at this point i think you're at you've i've heard you refill twice i'm thinking joe you're on your third drink is that is that right yeah yeah okay and i'm i'm well here's the thing too is like if you measure drinks it's like well that's one shot or that's a double or whatever like i'm just putting whiskey in the glass net of ice like i'm not measuring how many shots of whiskey are in the glass yeah you know right right yeah you're not you're not legitimately measuring or anything which is fine because i don't i'm not a bartender so like um so my girlfriend
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    bartender so like um so my girlfriend actually was a trained bartender who got certified in the united kingdom and like at one point she was just like i don't think you're mixing these things accurately and i'm like why would i this is what tastes good i am in the same boat okay here no that's a really good question for people who here actually measures measures their their uh their alcohol oh my god just stop uh because i i just i just eyeball
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    stop uh because i i just i just eyeball it right but does anybody actually measure off things no i i just eyeball it no and it's funny because like i i uh after having this conversation with my girlfriend i was telling my brother i was like yeah so like you know it turns out this this is like a triple and i thought this was like a shot and he's like oh i thought that was a a shot too um okay but like maybe we're all just drinking more than we realized all the time
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    i mean you know like okay like what do we do with that information nothing we don't we don't address it it's not a it's not a problem it's only a problem if you think it's a problem well because the thing is like yeah if you're a bartender and you're selling somebody else's alcohol yeah you need to like have some quality control like here's how much we're dispensing at any given point but like i don't know it's my house if i just put this much in the glass put an ice cube in it it's my house
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    an ice cube in it it's my house yeah i i like that rule but uh second place andy asks a really good question does measuring in fingers count because i don't even measure in fingers well but that depends on like if the glasses aren't consistent like shape or size like i don't bother with that oh that's a really good point if the if the cup is a a different um volume the fingers doesn't doesn't help right yeah so like my general idea was if i make a jack and coke a third of the glass is
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    jack and coke a third of the glass is jack two-thirds is coke right and so like if i'm just having a whiskey on the rocks a third of the glass is whiskey and i put an ice cube in it i don't know like that's not something that's important to me to measure because like i'm not a business that dispenses alcohol and why would i act like i was that sounds like more work i i don't like it's weird because i do all sorts of weird stuff to do things and people
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    of weird stuff to do things and people assume like joe you like doing work i'm like no i like making things i'm not gonna do extra work measuring stuff is extra work making things is making things there's i didn't just have this thought i've had it a few other times but you got there faster than i did and it wasn't just the alcohol i'm i i'm zoomed in here it's just me and joe i think you're one of the smart people
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    people and i mean this in the best way possible like the the horsepower in which your brain runs like just knowing that if you measure by fingers that it imp that that is obviously dependent upon the volume of the cup it's just one of those dependency things that i get to eventually but it's it's usually minutes later in the same way that i often find myself missing jokes until i'm in the shower you know like the next day replaying things and i'm
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    the next day replaying things and i'm like oh my god that person was being sarcastic or funny and that was a hilarious joke and i missed it completely so um yeah thank you for being on the show the you're you're increasing i feel like the the average um i don't know what to call that right it's not the average intelligence right because everybody still views the show but you're like setting a higher bar maybe for more heady humor or enjoyment in general and
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    heady humor or enjoyment in general and i appreciate that thank you well i i mean george i am glad that you appreciate having me here because i like being here i'm just some idiot who fumbles around and says dumb stuff and figures out what works and i do random stuff and i figure out what works um so i feel like my commitment to not measuring things is really in line with that just like it's a lot of effort for somebody else you know like well it definitely creates is suggesting
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    well it definitely creates is suggesting getting one of those sciencey things that does the droplets to get as accurate as possible that's a lot of effort right that's called a pipet and i'm not gonna do that okay a pipette exactly yes or a micro pipette even second place ante like wants to measure the alcohol per drop yeah i'm i'm not going to do that like i mean here's the thing is like george i'm just happy to be here because you know i i i did my stream earlier and like when i'm doing my stream
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    like when i'm doing my stream there's a lot of pressure and there's a lot of work that goes into it and a lot of effort and you know what this is just me paddling around right hopefully you feel no pressure no pressure at all right okay good no pressure when i'm hanging out with you this is just me palling around having a good time and like this is me winding down for the night i mute when i'm like cleaning things around the apartment i'm getting the chores that i need to do because once you have i'm a single parent i have doors i have to get done or the apartment isn't sanitary
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    done or the apartment isn't sanitary right right in the kitchen i have to get laundry move along like you know i can't go to bed at the end of the night until all that stuff is done yep um oh you know what my headphones though the batteries are dying like one of them just died um okay so i should call it a night i really appreciate you having me this is always a genuine uh positive experience for me i love hanging out and i hope you have a fantastic evening uh joe hills thank you so much for hanging out this evening you guys if you
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    hanging out this evening you guys if you are not already following joe hills you should be twitch.tv joehills or go check him out on twitter he is very active on twitter additionally youtube joe hell's across the board he is absolutely fantastic as you can hear c enjoy and be a part of this evening so uh definitely give a follow if not go do the donations thing check them out early in the morning as much as i i love uh tuning in to your late night streams i i
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    tuning in to your late night streams i i gotta say joe it's the early morning craft uh that you do which is my absolute favorite i i'm typically just kind of hanging back and uh and listening to you and whomever you have in on your stream who's the streamer you typically have in uh on those streams leo zombie cleo wednesday mornings yes and uh yeah she's been a friend of mine for a decade or actually probably 12 years now oh my god it's crazy how long like i've been doing a lot of the things i've been doing um but yeah i'm i'm really lucky to have made so many cool
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    to have made so many cool friends just like going out and making things it it anybody out there who's like i don't know if i should go make things just try it and like a third of what you try is going to completely just fail and be cool with that like the other stuff yeah some of it'll work you know that's also by the way a huge part i i don't want to keep you on here any longer and your headphones are going to die but um that is a huge thing i've been pushing with with zoe recently is how okay it is to fail
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    zoe recently is how okay it is to fail don't freak out if you don't do it right the first time or the second time or the third time like as long as you're pulling something from it and and using that to try and get better i've been pushing that all over the place i've even been pushing that at in the government like it's it's it's gone back to work related stuff and now in my daily stand-ups there's reminders that it's okay to push code that that fails it's fine that's why we have prs that's why we have all these gating and regression tests and unit tests and all these things it's fine don't feel like you're
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    things it's fine don't feel like you're being cornered or or pushed uh or singled out if you have a mistake because mistakes happen it's fine it's a part of development and anyway so well i really hope my headphones are still working because i gotta say one of the things i love about having the pinball machine in my apartment is teaching my kid that sometimes the ball just goes in the outland sometimes things just fail what's most important is that you handle your next two balls better than the person who gets frustrated by that failure yes
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    frustrated by that failure yes well said so well everybody has a bad day and it's how you handle your next day and the day after it's what makes you a winner and you know uh we talk a lot about that we we uh she started watching pinball streams with me and we talked about how tournaments went and stuff like that and there are just some tournaments where everybody has a bad ball one and it's like look we got to go into this and say i had a bad ball won that's okay because i'm gonna have a better ball too than those other people
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    than those other people i'm gonna go in here and i'm gonna come in with a positive attitude but anyway i you're trying to let me go my headphones are telling me to shut up i appreciate you george have a great night joe have a great night man looking forward to seeing you talk to you soon all right bye bye so um sir starf says isn't that agile it's a little bit different not that agile is the the the definition of which by the way this comes up all the time right especially in government work when it's
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    especially in government work when it's all about like changing priorities agile is oftentimes about making sure that what you you you provide back to the customer something uh demonstrable testable and functional within a two-week period right like your your goal is to a little bit of scrum a little bit of agile but it's provide the most basic set of functionality back to the user allow them to test it because here's the here's the here's the here's the gist in software nobody in software knows what they
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    nobody in software knows what they actually want there are people who have a pretty good idea of what they want but once they actually start mpt 3k we're not ignoring you i'm going to go back and read everything that you said um maybe not i just went back and re-read what you said but um but but agile is is about taking what the customer thinks they want and getting something back to them as soon as possible right and this comes back to
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    as possible right and this comes back to software development and uh and allowing them to actually see what it is they asked for right in the smallest uh there's this concept of mvp which is called minimum viable product it's that something like um i asked for this and it's going to take six iterations to get there and this is the the core set right like this is the bare minimum that achieves whatever that goal is and that's what you want to provide back because the customer is asking for a what they
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    the customer is asking for a what they don't know is that the customer actually needs in order to make their their business successful is e but you want to get them back a with the the least amount of effort possible so they look at a and say actually let's try this then we try b b nope nobody like that c c is actually pretty dang close let's get this in front of the customers great so c makes it to uat and now uat tests it and they have a bunch of issues with it and the feedback actually changes the direction the product goes now we're at
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    direction the product goes now we're at d d says okay we're so much closer to what we actually need the customer used it they said actually they got really close but at the end they had this issue now we want this to happen now we're at e right and what we do is provide e and suddenly the customer is happy and we release e right and and each of those is individual releases if you're using true cicd but that's part of the agile process it's really about getting back to the people who requested things this concept
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    people who requested things this concept of like what can i get back to you the quickest so that way you can tell me what uh what what needs to change because nobody knows before they actually start working with a software developer or in the software what it is they actually want which is so weird when you're working in government because that concept is really muddled right it's hard to tell the government that hey i know you just signed this bill right that goes
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    that goes thank you my phone for listening to what i'm saying and saying you don't you you don't know what i want but it's good cancel whatever your whatever you're doing i gotta catch up on chat here i totally lost my train of thought but that's the gin talking hey rocket man thank you so much for hanging out with us i'm lucky my boss stands up for me hey rocket man i don't know who you are but i'm imagining you're in some sort of a software group uh and and somebody is basically
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    uh and and somebody is basically standing up for you yeah that's that's how that works right like anyone who's above you is ultimately responsible for the work that you do and in software that means i i have the responsibility for i think i have i have like 13 no i have seven direct reports i'm responsible for the development for it's like 28 people but at the same time i'm involved architecturally for roughly about 200 plus people's worth of development but i'm
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    people's worth of development but i'm not the architect thankfully thankfully that is another person who uh is never going to watch this stream uh and is amazing i absolutely love working with with them but they're responsible for the architecture of the government entity that i work for and all of the software that they do but i have those conversations with them and i get pulled into other conversations so i i i have input without being ultimately responsible if that makes
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    ultimately responsible if that makes sense which is really nice totally getting sidetracked here hey clyde oh that was the call being ended that totally explains that sir snarf great [Laughter]
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    uh nope that is the wrong button i just pressed second place andy thank you so much for redeeming that video i've got my headphones on still right now but nobody's in the chat to talk with me which is fine i'm gonna go ahead and turn this off it's aol you've got mail this is just reminding me of a terrible system tracy
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    oh my god i love that that is my favorite redemption by far careful all right we got a double danger there that's totally fine uh that makes me think of the box of the switch that when you switch it arm reaches out and unswitches it the system could have just been a web form yeah um it can always just be a web form in the same way that most meetings could probably just be a me an email oh man it feels good to be on the other side of this npc 3k i hope this is great conversation
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    npc 3k i hope this is great conversation right like we were talking about agile and software development comedy happens in threes so it doesn't just happen to be no one likes hearing a dev talk oh wow hot dog [Laughter] hot dog also redeeming the screaming sun
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    i'm gonna let you know right now that the ball is moving faster than my eyes can keep up with it this gin whoo very good did i tell you guys that monkey 47 was my favorite gym um okay so i talked to the maintenance department and it's like when things work who cares and when things go wrong why isn't it working write effing now no one likes to read def talk split mpt
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    okay [Laughter]
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    hopefully that's not too loud i did turn the volume down alex i'm looking forward to seeing you again at tpf uh i will be there uh i will be there likely with all of the other people really looking forward to it i'm so sorry we we really need to finish this
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    [Music] [Laughter] wait you laugh at that and don't like airplane head scratch what what was the was the airplane i'm sorry oh and then the fact that i don't like airplane i got it wow hey are these pinballs moving too fast for anyone else
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    i had two shots there at the super jackpot and i missed both darn it all right we're gonna do this that worked out really ah
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    skinny twilight zone wait a second i'm a software okay splodgrink says i'm a software engineer but work on the testing side so when i get into how i write software to break other software people check out pretty quickly hey splodgranks i'm right there with you i uh i help manage a team of like 20 plus qa uh and i am the uh the dev lead for the entire back end for uh uh all of the the back end work for a pretty big section of the government
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    and we had today off of work and there was a double drain that was wonderful hey manu have a great night i'm gonna hit the reset button wake up tomorrow and start all over again good night manu have a great night i am looking forward to hanging out with you at mpt uh no at tpf there's too many acronyms apparently tpf is going to be amazing and um that's all i got to say about that nice shot nightmare hope your day is
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    nice shot nightmare hope your day is better says tracy from outer spacey um insanity falls welcome to the stream skinny twilight zone for daisy gats and bates day that i'm not familiar with also i think we've exceeded the standard two hour window it is now one o'clock frisco have a great night thank you so much for the raid earlier and let's just add to all of that that this is definitely the last ball of the
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    this is definitely the last ball of the evening all right left ramp nope right ramp to left ramp nope can we hit the left ramp found it
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    nope yep all right insanity falls giving me the uh i feel like backup needed in order to attempt to try and be successful that that didn't happen you know what thank you everyone so much for hanging out this evening there was entirely too much gin in this last drink we'll be taking uh i think at least two excedrin and maybe four advil i'm gonna have to go out to the car because
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    gonna have to go out to the car because i ran out of advil last night i bought advil with acetaminophen um this afternoon when i went to walgreens i think it's yeah yeah yeah i think we're i think you're successful i could jump on vc and keep this going for three more hours tracy anytime yes yeah yep we could please don't take advil oh my god rocket man why wouldn't i take advil right now i'm just trying to stave
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    advil right now i'm just trying to stave off having any kind of a hangover tomorrow i need to be up at 8 30. i have an 8 30 production issue review meeting tomorrow that i need to be prepared for and i'm in mountain time so that is exactly 7 hours and 27 minutes from this particular
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    moment um george top five weird animals number one the narwhal sorry narwhal number two the uh pan thing with the weird giant scales uh i have an emote what's it called this thing here um
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    whatever that is called pangolin thank you queen dark lady yes tracy also pangolin so narwhal then pangolin by the way i pinged um sorry who's the the uh zombie yeti i asked if zombie yeti was interested in doing i'm like i'm like i i know you're busy you're super busy at no point would you ever think about taking requests from stupid people like myself but in the off chance you do
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    the off chance you do take silly requests from stupid people if you would ever per chance and i got a response back from zombie yeti saying hey let me know what it is you want and if it ever shows up like if i ever have a gap in time i would absolutely love to to do something and i would let you know so i asked for a vaporwave style uh narwhal and it from
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    it from yeah george self-talk stop it we'll see if that ever happens i know it's jeremy jeremy packer aka zombie yeti is like an artistic hero for me it is it's basically um i know that i could never get todd mcfarlane right who did um the the majority of of all of my favorite comics which was like the the the reset
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    comics which was like the the the reset on uh spider-man um and it was an amazing spider-man or just spider-man i think it was just spider-man and then spawn of course so zombie yeti is basically like what i could what what is in pinball and achievable in terms of like todd mcfarlane style art so um insanity falls says yo i didn't know narwhals were real until well into my 30s insanity falls i didn't know that pangolins and
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    i didn't know that pangolins and narwhals were even animals until my yeah it's a water unicorn tracy absolutely until my what now eight-year-old who at the time was i think four or five uh we bought a book series called um narwhal and jellyfish and we learned all about narwhals and comic book form uh with this great story about narwhal narwhal and jellyfish who were decided to be really good friends together it was awesome they are the jedi of the sea
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    was awesome they are the jedi of the sea or the unicorn of the sea however you want to say that they are amazing they are real and then reinforced uh during i don't remember the name of the cartoon series it's fantastic it's on netflix um uh but they have an entire episode about narwhals and how uh it's actually uh it's usually off-centered they're their horn but it's not a horn it's actually a tooth mind-blowing narwhals the the what
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    mind-blowing narwhals the the what seemingly is a horn and why we call them the unicorn of the sea is actually a tooth and they use that tooth to feel out ice uh and and uh and and they use it in the same way that we use to chew things well they also use it to feel out uh ice because they are mammals and need air so they feel out holes or spots in the ice that they can poke through and end up grabbing air through the ice if i remember correctly from some of the
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    if i remember correctly from some of the shows that my kid watched anyway catching up drunken eyes telling the sweet story insanity falls it's not me it's the jinn's fault we put way too much gin in this drink uh they stopped cthulhu eating me what a lovely fella insanity falls it's not a it's not the tuma game pub central welcome to the stream i just learned about the mantis shrimp did you know it punches its prey so hard it would be like if we punch through
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    it would be like if we punch through steel it can lacerate humans they can punch and crack aquarium glass the punch is so viciously it boils the water that is caught in the punch stream by the way uh learned about the mantis mantis uh shrimp from a netflix television show about super powers based on animals holy [ __ ] exclamation point subscribe by the way tracy from outer spacey who is
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    the way tracy from outer spacey who is usually on this stream on monday nights is also a streamer there's a bunch of streamers out here on the stream this evening you should follow all of them but tracy from matar spacey has streamed i think two times in the past week at least if not more uh a mixture of games uh and when tracy has access to a pinball machine streams pinball but otherwise games just chatting cooking a mixture of other fun things definitely get give tracy a
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    things definitely get give tracy a follow game called that's the gin game club central also another awesome streamer if you haven't followed uh you should do so does uh vr gaming uh kisco oh my god kisco do you have any idea how late it is kisco it's very late you shouldn't be here but kisco also streams kisco i did not make it to the beast i did make it the number of the beasts i think three times i don't know it was a lot of gin things
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    i don't know it was a lot of gin things got really silly at the end i don't even feel like we were playing actual pinball i did not get there i'm so sorry have yet to try it only saw jack play it very briefly try not to stream multiple times late at night otherwise call your doctor i'm gonna start creature in the well soon i don't know what that is that sounds disgusting i'm hoping it's a video game uh where's the mantis strip pinball machine machine their eyes can't detect their eyes can detect cancer what
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    what what hold on wait then what the f are they the shrimp are deadly the mantis shrimp also sea well into ultraviolet and could can detect linearly and circularly polarized light that's crazy insanity falls we is the is the royal we by the way i don't know why i use we instead of i it's a habit i got into
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    it's a habit i got into the first time i had a team of of of developers i worked with rather than ever say i i started defaulting to wii because i never wanted what i said to come off as though i had done something i always wanted it to be referencing we and for whatever reason i have never stopped doing that so even when i'm talking about things when i say we evidently i could be meaning the people who were talking i could also be thinking about uh the the chat in
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    thinking about uh the the chat in general as we're conversing rocket man saying like yep good jin totally i'm so sorry let's go ahead and end the stream here and uh and and move on and we'll we'll we'll raid somebody uh worthy of actually showing off the pinball you guys have a great night and uh i'll talk to you all later thank you [Music] [Applause]
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