Donovan, you just came back. I'm tired. It's late. How are you feeling, my friend? Wait, I thought you were gonna hit the music. Let me hit the music, then. We are pinball! Episode 44, let's go, motherfucker! It is pinball time! Time! Oh, coming straight. Oh, my God. It's so good. Office of travel across the Chattahoochee. Turn it down, man. Jeez, I can't even hear myself think. All right, all right. I just got off four flights. I'm back. I went to Texas for a day. I haven't been. You look so tired, man. I haven't been asleep in 48 hours. Nuts. I left my house 26 hours ago, and now I'm back again. Super fun. Was it a good show? Dude. Okay, so I went and saw the Insane Clown Posse at the Juggalo Island show, South Padre Island, Ultra Live number five. Got all my coins. Madness. Went till 1 a.m. Dude, I bought. I didn't buy. I ate a hot dog cooked in grape soda from a shirtless guy in the parking lot. That's how cool it was last night. That's what doctors do. Phenomenal. So this morning, I got videos. I got pictures. Donnie has painted his face. He was having some fun. His daughter was having some fun. Emma, shout out to Emma. I mean, what a great dad you are. I'm loving all of this, man. Well, welcome back. You're tired. I'm so tired. But we need to talk about Star Wars, man, because we got a Star Wars relief. This is We Are Pinball episode 44, right, Donnie? Listen, I can be tired, but I can go ahead and live stream without any notes at any time, gang. Nobody else out there is doing this like I'm doing it. Have you seen there's some drama with Kaneda and Glenn? It's nonstop, man. It's got to be something. You can't talk about pinball. You can't talk about events he doesn't go to. So let's make it, let's manufacture some drama. I never lie about anything except when I lie about absolutely everything. And then they call me out about it. What are you doing, brother? Let me make it all about me again. Fuck, dude. I couldn't make it through that live stream. If you did, you're better than me. It's something like Glenn wants to kick Canada's ass. It's like Mad Libs we have here. You just fill in the blank. Like, you know, ex-pinball personality that he hasn't ragged on in a while, throw them in, did whatever injustice in his mind, and nobody else understands pinball like me, brother. Well, I just want to clear one thing out because – Oh, I think you came back up again. He hasn't mentioned you in a while. Yeah, yeah. I got mentioned because – Why are you starting drama, Cengiz? Some of you guys know I haven't talked to Kaneda for a year. He called Don and I bitches, and he said our show would die after the first episode. This one's in number 44. But today, a year later, it's all water under the bridge. Bury the hatchet. Bury the hatchet, Cengiz. Come on, man. I didn't mean any of that repeated shit that I said to you over and over again. It's kept screwing you over. Come on, man. I'm just playing around here. It's like a stern rant. I called him up. We're talking now, Canada, and I, Chris Colouris. So I actually did call him because we got Star Wars released. And I wanted to ask Chris the most important question. And that is, Chris, what do you think about TIE Fighter on a stick? And I wanted the response, you know. Yeah, yeah. So I had this 10-minute talk with him. But my name got mentioned on his Saturday show. So he said that Glenn would kick his ass and something with Orbit. And then he says, Cengiz said something. And I just want to make clear to everybody, I don't know who's going to fight with who. Please keep me out of it. Glenn, love, peace, and harmony from me to you. Orbital Albert, love, peace, and harmony from me to you. Chris Colouris, love, peace, and harmony from me to you. nothing with me okay please jenkins jenkins what's the version of a keyboard warrior but like the live stream version of it because that that's what that seemed like i get like third hand cringe every time i enter that orbit and like i try do you know actually what's going on who's gonna fight who what is it it's all made up bullshit who knows it's not real there's no fight there's nothing are you kidding man come on come on if only if only we i have access to a wrestling ring i'll set the thing up at expo in the parking lot we could have like rage matches going and raise money for charity and since it would be a slap fight is what it would end up being i'm a i'm a grappler so i would go to the man before a second before you called me i was watching a live clip canada did and he he was he said that he don't want to come to expo because Albert doesn't want him to come? Oh, is it Albert that wants to? That's a good reason. Albert, would you just get to Expo so we can hang out in person? Glenn's going to be there. We can all be rad. Who threatened who? Do you know this? Who threatened who? It doesn't even matter. Whatever it is, it's going to – it's attention grabbing. I don't know. It has nothing to do with Don and I. We love you all. So just if there should be a fight in pinball content creators, it should be me. I really want to fight one guy. Do you know who I want to fight, Tony? Can you guess? Oh, is it? Don't tell me. Don't tell me. Not David Fix. He would clean your clock. How about that guy from Deep Root? I'd slapbox that guy for a little bit. For charity. For charity. No. I want to fight a guy that is friend of the show. He has been on WAP show. Yeah? Uh-oh. Wait. No way. We're not talking about the trained cage fighter in Arizona, are we? If I should fight a pinball content creator, only one guy. Kael Hernandez. Man. I would love to fight him. He has trained jiu-jitsu, MMA, all that shit. I have trained Kung Fu in a ring with the bell. Ding, ding. I would love to. I'm pretty sure he would kick my ass. But it would be such a fun fight. Oh, I would love that. I would love that. I mean, can you imagine? Like, that would mean you would get a title belt if you came out victorious, even by points or technical knockout. Jeez, man. Yeah. He's the only guy. Other than that, I'm not here to fight anyone else. I'll tell you who I want to fight. In the ring. Friendly match, you know. I'll tell you who I want to fight. No drama, no nothing. Please don't mention my name, and no one should fight. I want to take on Flippy, the flipper costume from Expo. I don't know who's in that suit, but something deep down, it enrages me, and I want to fly and knuckle that guy. Flying clothesline tack down in the people's elbow. Let's go. I'm getting a wrestling ring. I just love Kale Hernandez. It could be so cool, man. It's $700 for a double wide table. how much space do I need for a wrestling ring? It would make no sense in pinball, and it would strictly be just for my own amusement. But can you imagine? If we made a match like that, I think more people would show up than on a Twippies award show. Trust me. I wish we could WWE this and just, like, come up with personalities and write back stories. Content creator fight. Yeah. I was watching wrestling last night live. Juggalo Championship Wrestling was also happening at the concert. It was madness. It was lunacy, literally. It was live streamed. It was completely amazing, man. Mosh Pit, Malibu, Maribel versus Big Al for the women's championship, only one of which was a woman, obviously. It was nuts, man. Oh, dude. Did the AML watch it also? Yes, dude. We were throwing shit at everybody. It was bedlam, dude. If you've never been to one of these shows, you've got to go. Well, all this to side, I hope that Glenn, Albert, and Kaneda just finds peace and gets along. I hope they give each other bro hugs and have a bunch of ugly babies together and everything is great, man. Let's send all three a lot of positive thoughts and happiness and happy, happy joy, joy. If only Kaneda would pick up the phone when I call, man. I don't know what his deal is. I try. I can arrange that. No trouble there. you should hear our i mean i can't even hang out in his live stream chat without him banning me like like man oh yeah did we talk about that over here that was chaos man do you know what happened oh it was such a chaos experience so you were there you weren't listening you entered his uh saturday i was at work and i was like this guy keeps olive branching me and i'm like i'll just slide in here man and i'll just behave myself and just like participate in the conversation not derail it not make it all about me um and it lasted all for about 10 minutes and then who's this guy banned boom so whatever so happy you entered there because i was in there but you know what happened when you were writing people were like this is not done this is a fake account all right so there was this is it done is it not done and i was like no it is done i'm writing to him privately it is done and everybody was just just what's going on and i was writing all of a sudden somebody called one of our great supporters on on patreon chance hammer i love that name somebody said chance hammer is a troll blah blah blah and i rolled in there no i know chance hammer it's not a troll i i know him okay so and then people started to write what if retro jingo's username says he knows chance hammer then retro jingo's username is also a troll this is not So, Jeng is, the two ways that I will know that I really made it as a pinball personality is I get on the pinball profile, which has not happened. And then people start making troll profiles of my actual profile. When that happens, I'm just going to kickback because it means, like, I made it, man. I made a level of popularity that people are like, now I'm open to parody and impersonalization. Can I say something about that? Can I say? You won't believe this. Anything. Stern Insider Connected. It's so popular. Everybody loves it, right? Love it. Yeah. So when we unboxed Godzilla, it was the first time we had this Insider Connected. And it was early on. I came home and I was like, I want to make this Insider Connected, blah, blah, blah, on Stern. So I jumped on my PC and I was like, I want to do this. And I want to use my YouTube name, Retro Jango, with capital letters. I did for eight years ago, you know? So I write Retro Jango, and it's like, this name is already in use. I know. That way. Somebody's cyber squatting on Retro Jango. That's it. I'm going to go cyber squat on John Cena's login right now if it doesn't exist. I got so angry, and that's like five years ago, and I still haven't made an insider-connected account. I have never tried it. You'll have to do like the real underscore retro jingo. Something like that. No, I want to talk with somebody at Stern and say, can't you just be a darling and delete this so I can have my own username, man? Isn't it crazy? That's hilarious, dude. Jesus. Yeah. Okay. Peace, love, and harmony to Glenn, to Chris, and to Albert. Okay? Yeah, yeah. Nothing from here. Okay. We'll send them all Christmas cards. We have something to end up. So you go to Expo, right? Yes. Take them all, just hug them, kiss them And then it's over Okay, okay A little bit of tongue Just a little bit You like that You know what We're too tired to make this show We should report Guys, Donnie's hair It looks like he has a bird nest On Donnie's hair My hair is like I still have blue face paint all in my hair From last night wild. And my son is playing game in the background and I can hear all those voices. Yeah, you know how it is. For your Twitter consideration, everybody. Yeah, yeah. Listen on all that. Today, on number 44, we are going to talk about Stern Star Wars. Okay? You have played the game, but we are also going to talk about J.J.P. Harry Potter. because I have played it. We're going to talk about that, and we're going to end the show with Dune. Perfect. I love it. Yeah, I'm going to say something about Dune. Very, very important stuff. Saving the best for last. Star Wars. Stern Star Wars, baby. Theme of the year, baby. Come on, everybody. It's an amazing theme. The game came out. I watched the trailer. I saw the pictures. I didn't share nothing. Some of my friends got very, very angry at me, share everything, you know, and I didn't. And I'm sorry, guys. I just don't share nothing. I'm sorry. Don't be pissed at me. Don't be angry. But everything is out now. I made a video like two minutes after the release. And, Donnie, I like Stern games. I like Stern. I love Star Wars. I love John Bork. combining all of that and put Star Wars music on top of that? Ray Day on the code? I was excited, and I'm so sorry. I shed my excitement, and I'm getting bashed on that video. People are like, what the heck, RetroJingo? How can you be this happy? This is a lazy something. I can't even say those things. This is a lazy try, or this is empty. People are angry at my positive show. But, guys, you have to think about there's just so many pluses on this Star Wars game for me. So it's hard for me not to be excited. I talked with Chris. Chris said, look at the art. And I was like, look at that, Ellie. All blue, all Hoth system. It's so beautiful. And he's like, no. And I'm like, yes. How do you feel, man? Yeah, so I know the Jaws 50th got a lot of hate, but it's one of those things when you see it in person, you're like, yeah, it's kind of fire. And then the things that you obsess over online, when you look at these images, you don't really notice them when you're in person. And that's how this thing's designed, like in person. So I went through all the art, and normally with cabinets you can tell, like, I like the premium art or I wish the pro art was on the premium. Kong definitely seemed like it was a bit all over the place. but this game, I liked all the art when I looked at it you know, you got the Haas scene on the LE the premium, the version I'm getting it's got cross lightsabers, Luke and his father in battle before Vader's redemption like it's nice it's got a lot of energy in it it's on the site, it's on the cabinet, right? yeah, on the site and then what people haven't really seen yet are the translates, like when you look at the translate art in person, they look great man, they're like collages of all the characters, you know, they got the Star Wars artists to do the faces so the people don't look like potatoes, and then they had the rest of the art team come in and get the lighting so it all makes sense, the transparency. When you look at the premium Translight, you've got every character in there that matters in Star Wars, and they don't feel too cluttered, like there's some energy to it. But then you look at it and you start to see there's a transparent Darth Vader kind of over everything else, and it's like, oh! I kind of dig that. He's looming there. It's perfect. I love it. And then there's some good energy with the pro so it's look dude this this thing's gonna slay on location um the le box looks good i wish there was foil in the decals i do i watch retro rouse video and i heard the justification that came from stern i asked them the same thing and i heard the same thing but i'm telling you i want some foil man i want i gotta if i'm getting the le i want the foil fire brother brother or or or do radcals or something so it's like so it's got like a gloss and i feel like i got a premium version oh what a mess i love rat kels oh they're the best but you know if you know if we were to rank this game you know i use like you know five or six different categories when i when i rank games because how do you compare one game to another how do you compare evil dead at kong you know you can't just say like you know this game overall versus this game overall you got to go by art layout mechanisms code music yeah and so star wars is really lopsided you know Some of the games they really hit kind of across the board, like Harry Potter, which we'll get to. Just about every category, it's like, it's 8s and 9s, man. This game's a little more lopsided. I like the art. The theme is fire. The sound is great. The Spike 3 screen looks amazing. The actual game that's in the box, though, is like the lowest score. It's like a 7-2, you know, out of 10. It's like, you know. Why? Why? Because it's so simple. You know, I got two flippers. I got no cross field shots. None of that Jack Danger, Keith Elwin, like one shot loops to another, and you're like, oh, that felt so satisfying. This is a legendary designer. I get it, yeah. And, you know, there's a joke going around like this game probably took the guy 20 minutes to make. Now, probably it did, but it's because he's such a great designer that he could do this in his sleep. This would take me at least a week and a half to come up with something like this. Look, usually this takes two years, right, to make a game. Right, right. But in those two years, John Borg tried to make an Indiana Jones that caught, stopped, deleted, whatever. So that took some of his time. On top of that, he was working on Metallica Remastered. That took his time. I ain't saying the guy ain't busy. In a month or so, we're going to get The Walking Dead, which is also John Borg game. That also took his time. I'm so excited. And on top of that, Star Wars. I know. So give the man a break. Come on. It's a year of the Borg, baby. The only reason I rank it so low is that there's nothing in there that we haven't seen before somewhere else. Now, maybe what's done before is done better in Star Wars, but the Death Star is Groot's head to me. I've seen that toilet bowl used as far back as Diner and Cactus Canyon used it. ABBA just used it. Mustang. Yeah, it's plastic. It doesn't look like a Sarlacc pit. I'm not shooting into a cave. It takes too much time when it turns up there. It gets so much speed. Now there is. I'm like, come on, get down. There is an opto in there, so there is some, like, gameplay code that can happen, some music and stuff. So, like, it's fine. Yeah, 10 turns starts something. Zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom, zoom. I get it. It just slows the game. It slows the game because this is a fan layout. You shoot the ball is back. You shoot the ball is back. There is not something that, you know, there's no Picard shot like in your Star Trek. No, nothing. It's just up and down, up and down. So I think it's very smart having this up and down movement that we need to have some side-to-side movement. So we have got the slingshots for that, but we also have the new pop-bombers, just all the slingshots. Dangerous area Donnie I mean they half hidden so it only like half of it that available And so it doesn And like there really a trajectory like maybe straight down the middle but it not like Rick and Morty pop bumper where like that bitch is dangerous. That bitch is spicy. You know, these are going to be throwing it back to back and forth. You know, it's not going to hit and go right to an outlane or something. They don't pork you? No, the pop bumpers that were on X-Men are much more dangerous, it seems like, you know, because they're real low. and you can shats up the gambit shot and then hit the pop-upper and have it ricochet right down an out lane. I've had that happen to me. So these feel safe-ish. Everything in this feels safe. This feels like I could let my child play unaccompanied in this playground and it would be fine. I think what I'm not seeing is the drama of the Empire. That's what I was hoping for, you know, like a looming giant Death Star in the backfield there, and we're locking balls in it. We're doing things to lower the shields, and then there's like lasers and effects and stuff. This looks, and I mentioned this before, this looks like I took my old 1970s Star Wars toys box from the garage, dumped that out on the floor, and I'm sitting down there with Hot Wheel figures like just playing Star Wars on my carpet. I guess that's what it feels like. It's like I got the two flippers down here. I've got all my toys set up on cardboard boxes there, and we're just like firing at action figures. I got my Pez dispensers up there on the left and right side for Darth Vader and the farm trooper. And it's like, let's go. We're going to play Star Wars toys. So this is like a Star Wars toy story is what it feels like. And in my mind, I was expecting, like, I'm going to battle the freaking Empire. We're going to make this whole thing crumble. Like, let's go, Palpatine. So you're a pinball collector, right? Well, technically, I guess, yeah. Yeah, look at that background. So I just want to ask you, when you look at this game, does it look like Stern is saying, we're making this game for dorks like Don and Cengiz? or does it look like this is a game for the mainstream? We're going to sell 10,000 Star Wars games. It's going to be awesome on location. So what mindset was going on there? This is what I wanted to know because I got under NDA. I got to go play this thing. I saw the trailer, and I knew how I felt about it, and I really wanted to know, like, is anybody else thinking what I'm thinking, or are people going to react completely different to this? Because I kind of misread Evil Dead at first. I'm like, yeah, it's loaded with mechanisms and things, but is the theme going to be off-putting? And then, boom, the thing sells out to critical acclaim. Like, what the hell do I know? So I'm like, all right, I can't wait until people see this and see what kind of excitement. And it seems to be about 70%, 30%, where like 30% are like, you know, Stern phoned it in. This isn't worth the money, whatever. I knew that was going to come, you know, because if you're looking for things to nitpick, they're all there. But then a lot of people are like, this is, I can't wait to get this. I love Star Wars. I'm going to play the hell out of this. I'm excited about Spike 3. I'm getting an LE. I don't care what people tell me. And I'm like, dude, awesome. Okay. So, yeah, I'm kind of surprised a bit because I wasn't anticipating as many people to be on such a positive side for this, especially online, man, where people are just terrible to each other. You know, and typically a simple game like this that doesn't sell much to home buyers as some other games would, kills on location because everybody that didn't buy it for home is spending, you know, $10 a night at the arcade playing it, filling up the cash box. Yeah, yeah. I remember like a week ago, Canada said that this is Star Wars. It's going to sell fast, and the LE is going to go up to $18,000. Oh, well, if Canada said it, then it's got to be true. Yeah. And I wrote there actually a week ago. Stop it. So I wrote there, Donnie, I wrote there, do you really think that all 770 will sell out fast? Because this time, Stern is not shipping games out to Europe. I've already got three from Cointaker ready to go, and I'm going to flip them. Don't be mad at the hater game. Was that accurate? Okay, you didn't listen. I wrote there, do you think Stern will sell out? Because usually half of the games come to Europe. But this time, no games over here. So I don't think they will sell out. And I can give some distro info from the biggest supporter of this channel, Matt Pimball. Hey, what up, Jeffy? Email jeff at mattpimball.com and tell him that he is a handsome stranger. Oh, yeah, baby. We love us some Jeff. So we talked with Jeff and asked about him selling out all his LEs. And he actually says, now this is distro info, he actually says, there is a lot of excitement for the game, a lot of questions, a lot of people are interested. So he came back with a very, very positive response on the LE. So that's good. Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye. So Donnie, when people want to buy this beautiful Star Wars game, who should they buy from and how should they buy it? Only one way to do it, just flip out your phone, flip up your jitterbug, and send a text message or SMS or email to jeffatmadpinball.com or mix it up, corbinatmadpinball.com too. Both handsome gentlemen. And use code WAP in that email somewhere, and you get not only your game with free shipping, but you get a swag bag from us, two goofballs. Oh, yeah, our new T-shirts. Sent to your house, sent in care of your probation officer, wherever you want. Just give me an address and a size, and it's going out, man. At least a T-shirt is in there and whatever else fun stuff I can. I've got David Fix's autograph here on a barbecue poster. Maybe you get that. I don't know. Whatever I happen to have at the time. I get so much random cool stuff. I've got stacks of banners. I'll give you something. Yeah. It's so cool when we ship out. We sell these new T-shirts, but we also ship it out to people that buy us from Jeff from Matt Pinball. Yes, sir. And remember to say hi from Don, hi from Cengiz, or just use the code WAP. Just remember us and write your T-shirt size. That's very important. I can't send it if I don't know the size. I've got to pick. I've got to pick one. But the cool part is when we ship out these T-shirts, Don, he puts in some stickers, some mods, some something, and people get back, oh, this is awesome. I can't resist. And Don, he just keeps on doing that. I love when people do the unboxing. They're like, look at all this stuff I got. It's so cool, and I'm like, I'm going to put even more stuff in next time. Absolutely, man, absolutely. We actually got a positive response on the way we talk about our sponsor of this channel. Oh, all right. I'm just reading this. When we talk about it, it doesn't sound like a robot input at the beginning of the show. We just put it in randomly. Yeah. Actually, we said that to Jeff, and Jeff also wanted it this way. When we talked about this, Don already knew everything about Jeff, but I didn't. And I said to Donnie, if I want something to do with this guy, promote for this guy, then I need to know everything about him before I do this. I don't want to be a sellout. So I asked around. Everybody was positive. I was reading on Facebook. Who was it? Jason Knapp, he talked about Matt Pinball. Everybody was positive, so I talked with this guy and what a lovely person. So, heck yeah. He loves pinball. He's very service-minded. He just does a great job. And if he doesn't treat you well, just get back to Don and I. We'll make sure he will treat you well. No nothing there. He's such a nice guy, man. He's such a nice guy. Star Wars. What do you think about it? Are you excited to play it? Someday? Somewhere? Over the rainbow? I can see the first second, yes, it's a fan layout. Yes, it's like eight shots. But when I look at this game, I'm in love with the 1992 Data East version. You look at the middle of the play field, you see this throne room, Palpatine is sitting there, father and son is the sword fight. It's blue and black. homage they took that and put it in the new game when i see shit like that i get a hard on i love it okay so they have the death star with the groot mouth yeah do i prefer the data east version compared to this one with the i actually do with the bigger death star wouldn't that be cool not just that it's bigger but also you have base spin off all these eight nine ten planets you need to bash it, bash it, and you move from planet to planet, and then it opens up. You have some seconds to go in and get the try ball, and when you get it, woo-hoo, try ball, baby. This is like lock ball one, two, and three, and then erding it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, gruding it out. You know, it feels like, you know that R2-D2 ramp in the Data East game where it goes up and just swirls around and comes down, how fun that is? It's like it's fun. And R2-D2 jumps. It's fun on Tales from the Crypt It's even funner on the day of Star Wars And so I was hoping there'd be some element of that I like how the hyperspace I mean it's edible It goes through the back panel I love any time that area is incorporated I just wanted some whip around or something And the one 360 they do have It's through a VUX So it's not like you can just shoot And flow that shot over and over It goes in, pop, back Okay, it goes in and pop back That's actually homage to the A's also. You hit a lock and it voxed it up to a ramp. I never liked that, but most of the A's games does that. So I think that John Borg did that on purpose, Donnie. Yeah, I thought it was more of an homage to Rush, but I guess it just, you know. We're going to talk about Rush because it has a beautiful Rush ramp shot, right? Yeah, that goes up and down. Yeah. So when it's down, when it's down on the premium LE, when you pay double up for the LE, what does the ball do when the ramp is down? It hits a rubber and comes right back at you. But no, that can't be true. It must be something else. What do you mean a rubber? I know, I know. I think there's a little opto at the end there. So you go ahead and hit the shot in there once, the ball comes back at you, and that triggers the ramp to raise, and now it's hyperspace time. I think on the Pro They want you to shoot the right ramp first And then it'll be active for hyperspace Because of course the ramp is fixed in place On the Pro So it's like, okay, I mean, I get it When you hit the ramp on the Pro Does it have the air jump and go back Off the playfield? Yeah, that geometry is the same It's the same ramp, it just doesn't have the raising and lowering mechanism part of it It's just bolted there But it has the same gap In skateboarding we would call this a Euro gap It's a gap from a ramp into a landing location with a little bit of a space in between there to hop over. And, you know, if it's not a successfully forceful enough shot, it'll reject and fall down into the orbit and roll back. So, I mean, it doesn't have to be. You like shots like that where the ball flies just like in Lord of the Rings? And like Iron Maiden, that was like super fun. Yeah, on Iron Maiden when it's airborne, do you like that? Yeah, and that's like one of the best parts of Lord of the Rings, you know, and it gets grabbed in there. So it was fun seeing it on rush. I love it. I love it. But what you're saying, this shot, the pro is fine, right? For every shot, the pro is fine. Are you kidding me? Wait, wait. We're going to dissect it. We're going to dissect it. So I'm going to ask you, to the left of that, we have the Death Star shot with the Groot opening his mouth. Yeah. How is it on the pro compared to the Ellie with half price? Is it the same? It's exactly the same. I was saying, is it lit with those stripes and everything? On the Pro also? I was thinking on the Pro they would have just put a stand-up target like the Star Wars Home Edition. But no, it's the same mechanism, opens and everything, sculpted the same. Oh, my. It would have been nice if there was some spinning effects or some lighting effects in the Pro Premium or the Premium LE Edition that are missing from the Pro. But in this case, no. There's just a little ball there, opens up, shoot the balls in there. Blah. Same. So there is a Millennium Falcon. Is that shot the same on the Pro? I think the Falcon is missing on the Pro, right? No, no, no. The Falcon is there, the same one. And in fact, it's the Falcon from the prior Star Wars game that was only available in the Premium LE. They must have had more, so every version gets it now. Boom. Is the Falcon on the Pro also? Falcon is on the frickin' Pro, yes. Lighting up, it's engines in the back, yes. Same. Same, same. See what I mean? Aren't you surprised? Go pro owners, man. So, okay, Pez dispensers, are they on the pro? Heck no. For $7,000, you think you're getting Pez dispensers? I don't think so. Not in this house. Not in this lifetime. You need to be premium level or above if you want Pez head dispensers. Can I say something? And I don't want to be negative. Please. I just want to be honest with you guys. Please. Also you, Donnie. Please. I never liked a big head like that on a pinball machine. The only time it makes sense for me, I have own party zone with the head that turns, all those games. There's just only one game where it makes sense for me with that kind of a head. I know where this is going. The area where the stormtrooper is located. Yeah. And that's actually on Evil Dead. That's what I was going to say. Interactive. She talks to you. She flips around. It changes the gameplay. It changes the gameplay? Yeah. Yeah. Because she's tricky and nice. That's the only time I like it. So if I had the Ellie, because at the Darth Vader head, you shoot into a scoop and he breathes and makes his Darth Vader sound. So I would just remove that Pez head and I would put in a Kenner Darth Vader toy there. $31. I saw him at the airport, the exact remake of the Kenner one. There you go. Or you know what I thought? That could be a thousand times cooler than this, Donnie. You know the distorted, destroyed Darth Vader helmet that was in Episode 7? Yeah. Like Kylo Ren is holding in his hand. It's like the moldy, destroyed helmet. Yeah. I would scope that about twice the scale, put it there with some lighting effects inside. That would be pretty boss and a way to tie in like the Force Awakens. Yeah, and have some stormtroopers at the right side. Yeah, but honestly, what do you want to do? You want the Darth Vader head to, like, spin around 360 when you hit the scoop or something stupid like that? You know, like, it was just something to put there. It was something. You know what? These toys, the Pez heads, the Stormtrooper, the Darth Vader, the Jabba the Hutt, these look like nightlights. Like, you would plug them into your wall so your toddler can find their way to the bathroom at night. That's what it looks like to me because of the way it lights up, you know? And other people have commented, too, like, when the flasher goes off, it's like the whole thing's glowing. It looks just like a nightlight. It looks like a freaking Glade plug-in, man. I want some potpourri sound to be coming out when I plug this thing in. So it was a letdown when I saw Jabba the Hutt up there, just standing there, molded plastic, nothing. If I could buy this game, I would remove Jabba the Hutt from there, and I would actually buy at the beginning of Episode 6, They fly out in the desert on these brown aircraft, you know, Jabba's. The sail barge, yes. Yeah, three of those. Just put them up there. That could be. And you can see the Skarlak pit down under. I got a list of things that would look better there than what's there now. And, yeah, Jabba's sail barge or Jabba's Tatooine Palace, right, that the droids approach in the beginning. It's round. It would fit there. It wouldn't be a ball trap. You could put some LED lights inside of that. I think you could do the Sarlacc itself and stick it on top with, like, tendrils coming out and things. Like, that would be kind of cool. You could do the – at Bespin, where Slave 1 lands on that landing pad, you could put that up there with Slave 1 as if it's the landing pad on Bespin. It wouldn't tie into a Sarlacc, not that it does anyway, because you can't even see the art from the player's perspective. It's just plastic. So let's say that's just, like, Boba Fett's landing area and you're stuck in the wash or something. So many things, so many things. Hans Frozen and Carbonite. Hans Frozen and Carbonite. Max Rebo and his band, that blue donkey-looking guy with the keyboard and Jabba's band. Put a Rancor there. I got a list, man. I got a list of all kinds of stuff that you could put there. So Jabba's a placeholder. Jabba's a placeholder, and if you think that looks cheap and the Pez's heads are cheap, then cheap out and get the Pro, and you don't even have to worry about removing them. And then you start adding your own cool stuff. I actually also hope that you know left side of this game was space only Star Destroyers stuff like that yeah A-Win B-Win TIE Fighters how about that shot on Munsters where you go into Grandpa Munster's drag race thing but that could be like you're caught in a tractor beam and then you get like jettisoned out or something into the orbit like that would have been fun yeah just maybe make Star Wars Episode 4 and five next year and the sixth the year after because this is huge huge world but no matter what they're gonna sell like crazy so when it comes to a game like venom and even the the 2017 star wars uh the pro version felt like it had too much stripped out of it you know like there weren't enough shots and everything what they're doing here is they're leaving the game pretty much the same across all trim levels and it's just little embellishments that they're adding that don't really change gameplay much. So while this, because if you would have removed, like, the hyperspace ramp altogether or removed the locking Death Star altogether, the pro version of this game would have felt really cheap, right? So instead of doing that, they're like, we'll take these nightlights out, we'll just leave the ramp up, and, like, the little Hot Wheels scale AT-AT, he'll be the same sculpt, but he just won't move. And not that it interacts with the ball anyway. Shout out to Albert. um you know and so i think i think this is a much better way to do it as far as building in value for pro owners and the pro is going to be the game that's on location most of all and everybody that's going to be playing the most played version of the game is going to have all the shots and all the mechanisms so that's cool for us can you imagine another pinball machine that could be easier to mod than star wars oh god come on anything bro jeff had mad pinball just buy the Bro, you will have a blast. I'm trying to find a way, this was Enzo's suggestion, to get Retro Ralph in a Slave Leia costume, kissing her brother or something. Tie it to a chair. Oh, why don't we have that? Leia in her costume, man. So you could have Jabba from his palace with Slave Leia on a chain and put that on top of the Jabba area with his little throne thing and salacious crumbs sitting there. Add that to the list. yeah so many ideas man i'll i wanna so so shasta layout it's simple it will be it feels like it will be a long long playing game uh on top of that you have the magnetic ball saver yeah on top of that on the on the premium le you need to use some sort of skill to save the ball but on the pro you just activate it and when you when you drain you just push that and you save 10 out of 10 times Yeah, just take your gut and just put it up on the lockdown bar. Boom, you're there. Is the TIE Fighter on a string or on a stick It rigidly attached to the ramp so no spring So actually I almost want to put a spring on there just so it does something Now, that TIE Fighter is missing from the Pro, but, I mean, go anywhere. Reach in the back of your kitchen cabinet. You probably have a TIE Fighter toy in there. Go stick it in, man. Hot glue, whatever. Put whatever you want in there. I love when Stern makes great pros. I love it. I'm a huge fan of great pros, Donnie. This game's got legs, man. This game will be in production for six years or so. It will be another top seller. Every arcade is going to want one. Every laundromat, every dish shop, every Denny's. Airports. Why aren't there pinball machines in airports? I'd stop and play this if it was in there. Yeah. So this game didn't have to be genre-defining, new mechanisms, new shots you've never seen before. It did not need that. And so that was the assignment. So I think they built the game they set out to make here. And so when you judge it by that criteria, that's how it's a win. When you're trying to match what I want to see as a professional guy that messes around with pinball machines, I want complexity and I want it to end or forest and I want to explore Chewy's home on Life Day. There we go. Star Wars Christmas special, Chewy and Lumpy's home. And Kashyyyk can be placed on top of that Java area as well. There we go. This list is never going to end. There's so many good ideas in here. I have another question, actually, and it's about the AT-AT. Yeah. So Luke flies around this AT-AT and shoots it, and it explodes and falls down. You have the falling down thing built in here, which is nice. So you have a ramp on top of the AT-AT, so you can fly up there and emulate your flying around the AT-AT, which is cool. But doesn't it have enough space to take that wire ramp down so you fly around the AT-AT and get the real effect? Right. You know what I mean? Because the ramp dumps into the wire form from the hyperspace loop, it probably had to stay that high just so it had a way to dump in there. So you're saying it's just not possible to take that a bit down or lift the AT-AT a bit higher up to give us that if- No. How much more would it cost? Now, do you remember a game called, it was codenamed Jaws, do you remember a game called Jurassic Park that has this wire form shot that loops around and then lets the ball come out of the orbit back at you in a downward spiral, that would have worked. You could have downward spiraled this thing. It could have spiraled up and then down and been this cool little moment of cyclonic wire form mayhem instead of just a buck that feeds over into the other wire form. So, I mean, yeah, they could have, but they didn't. It could have been a 180 shot. It could have been a horseshoe. It could have been a lot of stuff. It could have been the mechanism from CSI when you put the ball in the centrifuge and the door closes and it spins around real fast. It could have been that and then he collapses. But it's not. It's this instead. So I feel that's why we feel like this because we feel like this is some of the earlier stuff John Bork has made and he just puts it all in a mixer. And on top of that, if we never had no games from Keith Elwin and Jack Danger and saw those S-formed, figure-eight-formed, swirling new shots, we wouldn't feel like we do right now. Right, Donnie? Imagine this. All right. So what if instead of episodes four, five, and six, it was just Empire Strikes Back, Hobb battle? And what if the AT-AT took about half the space in the back of the game and it was sideways and a little jump ramp would pop up and you would launch balls into the side of them causing battle damage and then the side would break open and then you could put balls inside and watch the whole thing get destroyed slowly. It's a big moment, kind of like the ship in Pirates of the Caribbean, how it sank, or Godzilla's house, or the Valdez from Waterworld where it slowly turns and flips over. We have to be able to shoot them legs. Yeah. That's what I... You need to shoot the legs. And every time you shoot, the screen should say 17% damage. 23% damage. I know. And then when it's ready and it's flashing, it's like a touch-toe cable. And then, boom, you hit it and the ball spins around. Oh, my God. That game can still be made. And maybe in five years when they do another Star Wars game, that's what we'll get. let's see the 50th anniversary for us and then they can make it the Vader edition if they have no plans to do that we need to fix that and demand it so that we get a Vader edition 50th anniversary come on you know what Donnie when we started this show about a year ago on one of our early Patreon shows you were like yo I was at this show and I was with these persons from Stern, and while we were talking, one of them said, oh, about the Star Wars game, and you heard that, and you shared that whole story on our Patreon only. That's over a year ago, Donnie, and look what happened. So our Patreon people knew about this for a long time. I mean, we spoil them over there. Yeah, man, absolutely. We need to say thank you to our Patreon people, Enzo at the premium 50-box level. Enzo Ferrari! Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Thank you, man. Thank you, Enzo. We also have to thank Anthony Marua. What up, Anthony? There's some hoes in this house. I love that button, man. 50 bucks, man. He's such a sweet guy. We also have our... What is it? Purple Velvet Steve? Josh Cox? There we go. A finger slip, Josh. I'm sorry. I'll give you a hoes. I'll give you an extra hoes. Give him some hoes. Thank you, guys. Thank you for the high-level support. As everybody knows, when you're a high-level supporter, everything over pro, we will say thank you on all the shows. And if you're a newcomer, we will say thank you again also there. So thank you for all the support. We're getting spoiled like a mother mother. So cool. So cool. Thank you, guys. Okay. One last question I have about Star Wars. And that is, that is, are you listening, Donnie? That is. We have this freaking nervous robot that I wanted to trash when I was 15 and I still hate his voice. Oh, we're doomed. Oh, it is brilliant. Oh, I'm so nervous. Why is he in this game? There's tin balls everywhere. We're doomed. Why, Donnie? Why? I don't know. It's not Anthony Daniels doing the voice either. It's a different guy, probably somebody that records them for, I don't know, cartoons or something. I don't like C-E-P-O's voice. Well, you don't have to worry about it because you don't get to play the game ever. No. No, but when I was playing the game, I really only noticed his call-outs about 50% of the time. The rest of the time, it was all sounds and lines of dialogue and things from the movie. From the movie clips? Yeah, yeah. Because I would hit a shot or something, and then it would be like, who's Scruffy looking? Like, I'm hearing Han Solo call-outs from the game. So, yeah, occasionally, like, I'd hear some C-3PO, but he's not, like, narrating the whole thing, like, on Evil Dead or something. He's not the Bruce Campbell or anything or, like, the TCM narrator. I love movie call-outs, man. Yeah, yeah. That should be included on Predator. That's what I'm missing there, just movie call-outs. Now, I'm only playing, like, .79 code, so it's hard for me to really come down on is this game a win or not because it's going to evolve. But I will say, at least for right now, the version I played, at least half the call-outs were all from movies. And C-3PO was only really used when they needed something specific, like the Jedi ball save is active. He would mention that. So it's like, okay, as long as I'm being called a nerf herder, I'm scruffy looking, it's all sounds and stuff from the movie, I'm cool with that. Cool. So this time, the coding is not just stack modes on top of modes. When you start a mission, you're at that mission. Those video clips, right? They cleaned up all the confusion. You know, Star Wars 2017, you pick a character, you pick a perk. You've got to watch the countdown on your multiplier. You've got to move the multiplier around the field. You can stack modes and things. And then they left outlay and eat your ball constantly. None of that exists in here, man. This is just like play some Star Wars. any average player is going to be able to create multi-balls and have a good time and have fun with this game. That's probably what they set out to make and they succeeded in making that. Nice. That's cool. That's nice to hear. That's cool. Right? So all in all I'm so sorry guys. Some of you guys got angry but I'm so excited about the theme. I am just so excited. So it's hard for me to hate on this game. Would I want something more? Always. Right? Always. Yeah. But I think this is going to do what it's supposed to do. Out on location, kick some ass. Right, Donnie? Yeah, and kind of what I was saying when I first reviewed and could finally talk about the game. If you have five reasons that you don't think this LE is worth it, you're right. But if you want to get it and you want to be happy with it, I think you'll be happy with it too. So it really just depends on the individual. And so I don't think anybody that goes through ordering one of these games is going to be disappointed in having it. Whether that's a location operator, maybe you do children's birthday parties, maybe you're a miser and just has nothing but high-end LEs that have 20 plays each, you're going to get out of it what you want to get. And if you're looking at this thinking, like, I don't need to jump at this, this game will be in production for years and years and years, I'll always be able to get one, I can probably pick one up in a year or so that already has mods in it for a little bit cheaper price, just to have it rotate through because I like to play everything. I think all of those are the right decision for the right person. Actually, for us Europeans, I talked with my bro over here. It was just a fast talk, and he actually mentioned that he saw online that we could buy a little thing we could put in that board. Yeah, I'm sure there's – look. Which just removes the regional lock. So we can actually, with that little card, we can actually import games, U.S. games over here. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Sturd will never say that that's something that's possible because they want to protect their relationship with the licensor. But mod chips have been available for every console of all time. So do with that information what you will. Yeah, I haven't seen it. He just mentioned it. We're going to talk about it. We're going to look into it. Everybody should play this game however you can. Yeah. that that's it if that's possible i'm pretty sure we're gonna get some of these games over here also in europe so yeah that that could be cool man yeah perfect okay i'm glad we talked about star wars yeah yeah i i am excited so yeah it is what it is cool next game we're gonna talk about is harry potter petroleum the boy who lives i don't have a harry potter sound already ready to go but yeah Don't you have a... No, I got his Hell's Bells ACDC stuff. Wait, let me... This one. That's Harry Potter. Oh, okay. Perfect. All right. I love it. I love it. Oh, so you got this game finally, right? Finally, finally, we got the collector's edition. We had open house last Saturday. You know what I think about this game. People came from Sweden to visit Denmark to try this game. I came over the Malmo Bridge to come to play Harry Potter. Yes, yes, yes, from other countries. And I'm telling you, Donnie, now, listen to this, guys. All of these, we have so many people reviewing pinball machines, and they know everything. Every media creator is marketing leader, blah, blah, blah. I've always said it if you want to listen to a real review you need the person to have a hands on experience no hands on not a valid review so Donnie had hands on experience on Star Wars and I'm asking him the questions Donnie has a lot of hands on on Harry Potter so have I now I come in here I know I watch Harry Potter 1 like 20-25 years ago and I remember very vaguely and nothing else I have an owl I can talk to snakes so guys this guy over here Retro Jingo over here I'm like I don't care about the theme I don't really like the theme so I come in here and my bro is like oh my god it shoots like Keith Elwin on steroids and I'm like no freaking way he's very sad about this game so when I play pinball machine if there's other people around me I play like shit talk with them or the camera or I play like shit my bro knows this when we play competition he stands and looks over my shoulder I drain but when when he walks away Donnie something happens I can't go into this zen mode okay at the beginning he's there i'm making i cannot hit the high scores that's already on this game that other has played so very high high high scores but all of a sudden like an hour later my bro he goes in because he needs to be ready for the open house and i'm alone with Harry Potter pinball. I fucked up the high score. I scored. It was done. It was just, I just opened up. And this game, at the beginning, I was like, no multiballs. And further, further, I went in. I activated the multiball. But when I was in that multiball, I started more multiball. And the shot, it was just so fast. The way ball comes back, you need to be so fast and hit it. and you hit another ramp, and the coolest part, you hit this ramp, and it diverts the ball. You never know where it comes out from. Wow. Yeah. Like, what the heck, JGP? This is awesome. Can you imagine this layout with Star Wars? Oh, God. Come on. Yeah. Oh, my God. Yeah, just diverting shots, like, fomenting through asteroid fields and everything, upper play field, spinning around in the Death Star, and that's how you blow it up. Like, come on. Oh, my God. So if you took that upper play field from Harry Potter, put an AT-AT up there, that would be phenomenal. Bash the legs, spin around the legs, make it fall. That upper play field, Donnie, you have got the spinner shot, you have got the orbit shot, but you have got these two metal posts. Yeah, perfect. With feelers and with the kinetic energy, It sends those small balls up and hits this magnetic feeler. What the heck? What the heck? What the heck? Eric Minier, I love you, buddy. It's just, it's magical. Oh, I enjoy. And my bro was like, we're going to open in like 10 minutes. People are outside on the line. So if you want to film something, film something fast. And I was like, I have nine minutes. I will make the fastest review in the world. Nine minutes. I was like. No Pez dispenser heads on here anywhere. Donnie. Yeah. The girl on the broomstick on a spring. Yeah. I love it. The car on the pop-bombers. I love it. It's cool. Yeah, everything. It's shaking. It's bending. The three wands and the ball. I love it. Yeah. And it shoots so fast. And you shoot something all the time. Now, my bro is very anal with the angle. It has to be exactly seven degrees. Everything has to stand exactly perfect. He's like that. This game, I was like, what the heck? And you can get the arcade version for under $10,000? Yeah, sir. Yeah. Whoa. Yeah. Donnie, that's... Going directly at the Stern premium price, like right there. Here it is. You can have an evil bed. You can have this or you can have Star Wars Premium, follow the empire. For the same price. I want to ask you, Harry Potter Arcade. Now, Arcade is missing the topper. Who cares? The rams are not gold. It's just chrome. Who cares? Okay. Name me a Stern Pro Premium for the same price. That's just better than this. As magical as that is. Yeah. I mean, even their newest game up until now, Kong, that has a lot of fun branching paths and a giant mechanism monkey that moves around, still doesn't match this as far as, like, intensity of playing multiple things going on at the same time. Sometimes, you know, all of a sudden, you know, I'm really doing well at the Quidditch this game. I'm going to focus up there and get that multiball. Or, oh, I happened to hit the Death Eater twice. Like, let's fucking go. Yeah, I mean, you know, you're just playing Explore Hogwarts multiball, try Wizard Tournament, Battle of Hogwarts. Once you get to that wizard mode, dude, it's amazing, man. All that stuff is fun. Movie clips constantly, constantly. The big LED screen, the multiplier Magico thing with all the goblets tumbling everywhere. Look, I'm an audio guy. It has got the original music. When that original music is over, it has got very nice music that reminds me of it. On top of that, finally, they have call-outs that are so good that I don't need to have to look at the screen. The call-outs explains, shoot the dead either. I don't know what that is, but I found out it's that guy that shoots the ball fast back. Shoot the dead. The call-outs, the audio part and the quality of the audio part, I was blown away. Wow, man. Yeah, incredible. On top of that, we have the expression lights. What was the call on the JJP? Clown Puke. No, Hot Rails. Hot Rails, yeah. I'm not sure if you have them with color on the arcade version. I think so. Because on GNR, it's only white there. That's right, yeah. But I think they did upgrade that to all arcade. Okay, okay. Because I actually wanted to ask you about, and I purposely didn't do this, because you talked about great audio quality on the Star Wars game. Yeah. I wanted to ask you, because of Spike 3, how was the light show? Because this is a brand-new updated light show. Does it kick JJP's 10-year-old light show's ass? And from the videos I didn feel that energy so it felt like Spike 2 light system That why I didn ask you about it Now we rumored to be getting further developments as far as Spike 3 lighting that not in this Star Wars game So it's still using the old same expression lights, same type of speaker lights, but maybe they will do some additional functionality with the cabinet. It seems like that's what we haven't seen yet as far as Spike 3. Essentially, it's the backbox, the driver, the amplifier, the audio, the speakers. But as far as what's going to be new in the cabinet, apparently there's something coming that we haven't seen yet. Oh, okay, okay. That's why I just jumped over it because this Harry Potter light show, are you freaking kidding me? It was, yeah, man. What a game. I'm telling you, man. Now, I have always been a stern guy. I like when the games are fast. And a couple of days ago, I was talking with my bro. And as much as I love Stern, he loves JJP. And I said to him, you know, I'm not the biggest JJP guy. I like Stern games. And he was like, okay, okay, okay. Just sit down. Do you like the way this game, Harry Potter, shoots? And I'm like, heck yeah, it's awesome. So he says, okay, cool. Do you like the way the game before, Avatar, shoots? And I was like, I love the way it shoots. I love playing Avatar. What came before Avatar? He asked me. We don't talk about that. We don't talk about that. Oh, that was the Godfather, right? So I'm the only guy in the world that likes to play Godfather. I like it. And he was like, okay. And he just went back, back, back. Oh, Elton John. We forgot about Elton John. But listen to this. All the JJPs has got upgraded the caps so they shoot like crazy now. All the old versions would have been there. Plus, they have got the precision flippers. So it's just game-changing in Machines Now. And I was like, I don't like Wizard of Oz. Right. And I don't like the Chocolate Factory. What's the... Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. The theme, the music just kills it for me. But everything else, I actually, with the new updated stuff, I enjoy JJP Games. And it was just an eye-opening phone call, you know. And now with this Harry Potter, I don't care for the theme, but the game is awesome. I'm telling you guys. Wow. Buy it from Matt Pinball. I'm telling you. The arcade version is great bang for buck. You know what? And I'm hearing, I think they've sold like 3,000 collector editions, man. There's going to be so many of these things out there. so this is going to be a game that if you haven't picked it up yet you will be able to at some point and i think i'm going to get it again maybe i'll try a wizard this time maybe i'll maybe i'll pick and choose and go through them but oh my god what a cool game what an absolutely cool guys guys and it was so cool you know the best thing about pinball is getting us together like getting friendship getting everything through pinball and dan and i we got this friendship through pinball and all of a sudden when you least expect it donnie he calls you he facetimes you he's at the jjp factory he's with mark seiden he shares everything and he's like jengis jjp is printing money they're building they're selling they're still selling the collector's edition i just i got so happy with that phone call donnie i was like and you hang out with mark side so cool man They can't build them fast enough, man. It's unreal. They're firing out there. And they've got a second line, too, that they can use to pivot to. Because at some point, they're going to release another game, and it sounds like it's going to still be on time. So, yeah, I think before the end of next year's out, we'll have another game from them. Plus, Harry Potter's will still be selling. And, yeah, JJP, the place to be as far as Chicago-based pinball. So, Mark Seiden, how excited is he about his upcoming game? Oh, yeah, yeah. So he says, of course, I didn't ask him what his next theme is. I'm not going to do that to him. I didn't ask him to tell me elements. I didn't threaten him. If you don't tell me this, I'm going to bury your next game. None of that business. I was just like, so did you find that you learned some things with Avatar you're taking going forward? And his answer is yes. And I'm like, that's great. Are you excited about the new game that you're working on now that you can't wait to show it off? And he said yes. And so that's all I need to know. The theme. Is he excited about the theme? He's excited about the theme, yes. I don't think it's something that he necessarily – I think Jack and the people that own the company, those are the ones that pick the licenses of what's going to go forward. But he's excited about what he's working on. It's not like, well, it wasn't my pick, but I'm going to make it the best I can. He's like, no, actually, I think this is going to be a really good theme. I'm having fun with it. It's not gone with the winds or something like that, right? No, this is Jersey Jack we're talking about. Or something Alice Adventure or something like that. I hope not. You know, but Gone with the Wind was really a great movie in its day. But, yeah, nobody's alive anymore. Before he was born, right? They need to focus on the 90s. Come with the Matrix. Look what they did when they turned around with Harry Potter, like an active, pretty current license, big installed user base. People still are making content off of it and generational and stuff. Like, hell yeah, man. They took a guy like me that has nothing to do with Harry Potter and made a huge fan of their game. That's it. Imagine if they got like a Wednesday or if they got like a Stranger Things and what they could do with it. Like what they could do with it. Imagine if they got Star Wars, you know. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? I didn't want to say it, but yeah, I know what you mean. Maybe, maybe. Here, let's fuck it up. Maybe Stern isn't selling Star Wars in Europe because JJB beat him to the punch, and there's going to be exclusive JJP European Star Wars games. Thank you, buddy. Oh, man. Run with that, Rupert. Star Wars is such a huge world. How funny. We could have more games. Because Steve Ritchie's up next. What if Steve Ritchie's actually working on another Star Wars game, but for JJP this time, loaded with everything. Yeah, when he says the handcuffs are off and just... Oh, man. Probably we're not that lucky, but can you imagine? Can you imagine? Gosh. Why that lucky? Maybe, I mean, this company could buy Harry Potter license. They can also buy Star Wars. Why not? Why not? When we had the spooky interview on part two, I said to them just because another company has made this thing just because another company made Predator why can't you do it also right can you imagine JJP Lord of the Rings again not Hobbit but like Lord of the Rings yeah with how the games are shooting now yes please yeah do it do it yeah I would love that man if they just keep kicking out with big franchises I'm here for it man Harry Potter is a big franchise yeah that's what I mean keep bringing it we're in a good spot in pinball right now cool I also want to talk about Dune first of all when Dune came out I made the review because the theme is incredible I love I love everything Dune I grew up with this played the game, read the book, watched the movies love Dune. So when they chose at Baris Afon Dune, I was like, what the heck? And like months before, we heard about, they were printing the play field, so we had this insider knowledge, and then we were like, what the heck? This is so cool! The game came out, and I was so excited. I reviewed it, first reaction, and the display had, yo, this is not improved. No talk. And it was a huge letdown for me and you can see on that video i made there day one video i was like why did they release this game this early it was a letdown because i love the theme right so it was personal for me that was a letdown and i share that at the end of my video because at the beginning of my video you can see my excitement i'm very excited for the game cool but i'm ending the video in a negative way, but honest way. Yeah. Good. Yeah. So six months later or something, I met, I think it was on Canada's show. David Venice, the president of bears of fun is in there. The man. Yeah. So they were, they were going on for half an hour. I jumped in. They were talking about doom and I said, I love the theme or something. And in my mind, I'm like, David David Van Es is not a big fan of me because I made a review video like that. But he was like, Cengiz, welcome. I'm so, you know, very positive. I don't want to repeat all that. And then he writes, I cannot wait you to play Dune. He was so kind. And I was like, wow, I love this guy. So David David Van Es, shout out from here to you. After this positivity, I went in on YouTube and I was like, because he writes in there that the code has got a great update, multiple great updates. Good, good. So I jumped on YouTube. I find a EA pinball, I think it's called. So he plays this game with the newest code. Donnie. It's so good. You like it? It has got call-outs now. It has got approved video clips now. And on top of that, a geek like me, I was dissecting the game. When you start a mode, only the blue inserts are blinking. Not like other games where every insert is blinking in multiple lights. No. I understood on a video what's going on with Dune. it's just coded so great i wanted to call david venice i was like whoa so all you guys that dumped dune from a too early release give it a chance now it was if we had a very early i would i would definitely get get this game because it looks awesome now so as you said we are in a great place with pinball today. Amazing games, man. So thumbs up to Dune and David David Van Es. What an upgrade. Wow. I need to make a new video about it. It's so hard because I'm trying to build my collection back out a little bit. It's like I can only do so much so quick. It's like I miss my Harry Potter. I miss my Avatar. But there's so many new games I need to get too. It's like I'm never going to be able to fulfill my list, but it's more about the quest to try to get everything. If you snap your fingers and have everything all at once, there's nothing to pursue, and that's not as exciting. It's always fun when you're always on the lookout for a deal or something to pop up or a trade or something. It's cool. And then we get these new releases. We talked about this with the project. I told you, don't buy new games. And you said, okay. Two days later, you hit me up. Hey, James, I just found this game with this, this, this. And I was like, send me some pictures. I remember. You sent me the pictures. I was like, this game has got this and this and this. Don't buy it. I can see it in an instant, right? Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Yeah, I'm getting a little bit into the old Bally Williams now. So I landed on a Star Trek Next Generation that I have temporarily here, of course. It will be listed for sale. I already have some people sniffing around it. But, yeah, and it's basically for me to learn how to maintain and learn these older systems now. I've already had a Data East Tales from the Crypt. I had a wipeout here from Gottlieb. Now I've got the Bally. So I feel like I'm getting a little bit more well-rounded. I've got a wedgehead electromechanical game from Gottlieb from 71 that I got dressed up. It's looking beautiful. So my pinball adventure and pinball tech experience is building now, and so that's something to be excited about. But I'm so appreciative for you that you don't have me spend money on, like, a piece of crap that I'm going to have trouble moving on or it's going to be way too much work because you're like a treasure trove of information, sir. It's just waste of information I have in my head, Donnie. With hundreds of games I have restored. Donnie calls me. I have this problem. Oh, yeah? Then you have to look right there. And he was like, what the heck? You are right every time. Yeah, he's got the magic tech fingers, man. Let me tell you. But, yeah, thank you, buddy. But when you dive into the magical world of the 90s with Bella Williams games, oh, it's so crazy. But you need to do this project. You need to do first. So stop buying more games. Sell some games out. Okay. So later, we're going to talk about this later. We cannot. Yeah, yeah. It's the coolest thing ever. I love it. Yeah, yeah. Donnie. Yes. We have to end the show. I'm exhausted. Because I'm looking at your eyes. You cannot hold them open anymore. And this show has been very slaggy show. No notes. No nothing. We're just fucking freestyling. Nobody else can do this with no notes, gang. God, I can't. It hurt my throat to do that. Oh, Tony. I love you, brother. Yeah. Look at this, man. Pinball getting people together. Oh, I – on my YouTube channel, I – this is so sweet. So one guy reached out. He said like he watched my YouTube videos for like four or five years, and he watched them because of Commodore 64 gaming. And some of our WAP shows, we have recorded them on video, put them on my YouTube channel. he knows nothing about pinball machines no interest in pinball machines but he says he's the first guy when i upload our web show on my youtube channel he says he loves to watch them he doesn't know anything about what we're talking about but he just loves the camaraderie the you know yeah the chemistry so he was like um he doesn't have that much money so he's asking if he gets a Patreon member, are there more videos? Nice. I just want to say there's not more videos like this, but there's a lot of talk, like 40 or something shows in there, right? Tons of shows, yeah. But he writes that he doesn't have that much money and all of this, which I respect. If it's possible, I want to give him – can we give Patreon support in any way? It's such a sweetheart. I think you can do trial memberships. so people can come in for like two weeks and check it out before they're billed. Okay. Yeah. We need to do this, man. It's just so, so sweet. Yeah. All right. Give everybody a chance to see what else might be in here. When I first started listening to podcasts, and I'm slurring, I knew I liked pinball. I knew the games that I liked, but I couldn't tell you who designed one of them or who an artist was, and I would hear these things on podcasts, and I'm like, I have no idea what they're talking about, what a John Yusey is, who a Christopher Franchi is, what a Dave Borg is. I never even heard that before. And then now I know all these people, right? And it's just because we're hearing them on podcasts and hearing how excited people get. It's like, well, I want to participate in this too. And so this guy is probably about 17 hours of podcasts away from having four games in his basement and bitching that the latest JJP doesn't have everything in it that he wants. He's on his way, dude. He's on his way. But when you listen to podcast shows, because we got an email, Donnie, where he said, Don, you're great on your show. Cengiz, you're great on your show. But when you're together, it's just next level greatness. It's so cool to listen to two guys instead of one guy's monotone voice. It's chocolate and peanut butter, man. But, Donnie, yeah. But after that mail, I actually understand. I prefer when there are multiple people when they talk. it's just because one voice is just yeah again monotone so i understand thank you thank you for the mail that's part of why i wanted to start something like this too is just to get a dialogue going because you know well it is fun to give out you know my my news reviews and events and things that are going on um you know i don't have any objectivity of like somebody else that's there to bounce things off of and continue that conversation organically and like we get with WAP with the Wet Ass Pinball Podcast. Wait, what do we call it? Wet Ass. Yeah, Wet Ass Pussy Stuff. And we want friendship only. If Kaneda wants to join us, he can join us. If Glenn wants to join us, he can join us. How cool would that be? If Albert wants to join us, he can join us. Everybody can join us. Come on, just friendly. Friendly. Join us. Yeah, as long as you're real about it and not just fake for news cycle. How cool would it be if Kaneda was a normal, approachable guy and could hang out and be like – we could just make fun of each other and stuff and have fun and not just be like – he's like a hedgehog or he's like a cat that is coming around but doesn't want you to pet it. It gets mad. It's like, come on. You're fluffy. I want to hang out. You act like you want me to pet you. You meow at me. You look at me with those eyes and then I start doing it and you just claw me to shit. What the hell, man? Guys, you cannot see Don's hand movements right now. Who hurt you, man? You poor cat. Donnie, I want you guys to just hook up. I mean. Whoa, hey. Come on. Don't put that on me. You know what I mean, Joe. I'm going to bed. Yeah, yeah. You do that, Donnie. All right. Give me the extra. Is this our button? Oh, yeah, our AI music everybody hated. Three, two, one. WeArePinball69 at Gmail.com is the email address to get at us. Patreon.com backslash WeArePinball, no 69, unless it's Kaneda's idea, because I've got to have consent. Otherwise, get at us. Email Jeff at MadPinball.com. Buy yourself a couple of games, six or seven. Use code WAP. I'll send you a T-shirt for every day of the week. Jengiz, keep being awesome. I hope you get to play a Star Wars sometime soon. And I think if we can get Orbital Albert to Expo, then we know we can get Cengiz to Expo. We should make it happen. Take me your final thoughts. My final thoughts? Quit that music and let me play a great music. All right, go ahead. This one. Later, everybody. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yes!