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#006 Pinball Art Hot Takes: What Rules, What Stinks, and Why It Matters

Punk Rock Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·38m 14s·analyzed·Jul 24, 2025
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TL;DR

Podcast hosts critique pinball artwork quality and discuss dream game themes.

Summary

Stephanie and Mike from Punk Rock Pinball discuss pinball artwork across various Stern, Spooky, and Jersey Jack machines, critiquing designs from favorites like Avatar and Jaws to disappointments like King Kong and Stern Star Trek. They debate the importance of artwork to immersion, discuss specific artists like Zombie Yeti and Christopher Franchi, and conclude with dream theme pitches for Karate Kid and other unreleased titles.

Key Claims

  • Original themes don't sell well in modern pinball market dominated by home buyers seeking licensed IP

    medium confidence · Stephanie discussing why manufacturers focus on licensed themes like Godzilla and Jaws over original concepts

  • King Kong's playfield artwork is too busy and cluttered, making it hard to track the ball during play

    high confidence · Mike's direct experience with the game, expressing disappointment despite expecting to want the machine

  • Stern Star Trek (2013) has minimal or poor artwork design compared to other Stern releases

    high confidence · Both hosts criticize the game's art package, comparing it unfavorably to contemporaneous releases

  • Beatles pinball cabinet art appears faded/washed out by design intent, mimicking vintage aesthetic

    high confidence · Christopher Franchi confirmed as artist; hosts debate whether this is successful design choice

  • Zombie Yeti and Christopher Franchi are prolific Stern artists with strong community recognition

    high confidence · Hosts praise multiple games by each artist; Zombie Yeti credited with Led Zeppelin and Uncanny X-Men artwork

  • John Wick was initially disliked by Mike but grew on him after ownership and play experience

    high confidence · Direct personal testimony; hosts note changing perspectives on games over time

  • Aftermarket mirrored art blades can improve visibility and aesthetics on certain machines

    medium confidence · Discussion of mirrored options for Munsters; CJ and Joe mentioned as users of this modification

Notable Quotes

  • “I just think with that artwork, there's so much going on on the playfield... there's so much going on that I don't even really like to play the game. I have a hard time tracking the ball.”

    Mike @ early discussion — Core critique of King Kong's overly busy playfield design affecting gameplay experience

  • “If your hobby makes you consistently irritated or angry, like find one that's fun. The end.”

    Stephanie @ opening segment — Philosophy about hobby engagement and venting culture in pinball community

  • “I think if you have a great pinball machine, that's like a great game with great art. Like you just get so immersed into the experience into the world, like you're just in this world for this period of short period of time while you're playing.”

    Mike @ artwork significance discussion — Articulates how artwork contributes to immersive gameplay experience

  • “I feel like once you have some with art blades the ones without it don't they feel like unfinished”

    Stephanie @ art blades discussion — Emphasizes importance of complete art package to game perception

  • “The art is so Not there. There basically is no art. There like no design. It almost like somebody just drew that out like real quick.”

    Mike @ Star Trek critique — Strong criticism of Stern Star Trek's minimal artwork effort

  • “Stern Star Trek, this time with artwork. That's probably not going to get a remaster, but it would be cool.”

    Stephanie @ dream remaster discussion — Acknowledges Star Trek's artwork deficiency while considering hypothetical remaster

  • “The kid wins. The kid wins. Karate Kid 2, kid wins. Karate Kid 3, kid also wins. Spoiler alert.”

    Stephanie @ dream theme pitch — Humorous summary of Karate Kid franchise during dream game concept discussion

  • “Because you could make the cliff in the backglass. It's like Banzai Run Pinball. If you can find one of those, go play it.”

Entities

Zombie YetipersonChristopher FranchipersonSonja PpersonJohn YoseypersonSteve RitchiepersonJohn BorgpersonGeorge GomezpersonElizabeth Geiskeperson

Signals

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: John Wick initially disliked by Mike but grew on him after ownership; notes general pattern of perspective changes after extended play

    high · Mike states 'I never want that game' initially, then reconsidered and now owns one; hosts note this pattern happens with other games too

  • ?

    design_innovation: Discussion of how comprehensive art packages (playfield, cabinet, backglass) create immersive worlds that enhance gameplay experience

    high · Mike: 'you really do feel like you're in a world' regarding John Wick; 'once you have some with art blades the ones without it don't they feel like unfinished'

  • ?

    product_concern: King Kong's busy playfield artwork creates gameplay issues; ball tracking becomes difficult due to visual clutter

    high · Mike: 'there's so much going on that I don't even really like to play the game. I have a hard time tracking the ball.'

  • ?

    product_concern: Stern Star Trek (2013) criticized for minimal or no artwork, appearing rushed or intentionally deprioritized despite strong gameplay

    high · Hosts describe art as 'basically is no art,' 'no design,' 'somebody just drew that out like real quick,' implying Stern prioritized theme/sales over art quality

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    market_signal: Licensed themes (Godzilla, Jaws) significantly outsell original themes in modern pinball market; primary modern customer base is home collectors rather than location operators

    high · Stephanie: 'I think the problem with the original themes is they generally don't sell... it's like 70% plus like a home buyer now... I don't think any original theme is compelling enough'

Transcript

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Welcome back to another episode of Punkrockpinball. I'm Stephanie and I'm Mike and we're going to talk a little pinball here. Hopefully I got my dog is right at my feet here. I don't know why he might bump my mic cable and make noise. But we've got a topic today is artwork, but I have a couple things. First, okay. I was that was funny we were watching a pinball program last night I'm not gonna name the name but it's a creator who's mostly shares negative opinions about things and they said something I found was interesting and strange about their patreon where a lot of people chat in there and it's like People arguing in there and he says it's a place to vent you can come here and vent about pinball that sounds so dumb who's got a hobby like what are you doing venting about pinball like that's what you do about your job right I vent about my job yeah or stuff that you don't like yeah Rehabtime Wideoned BuddnNS 넣어야 하네 này야 지inn 바� committees 정도까지 במ� symptoms stated사 preparations� Yeah, I mean, I got to the point, I used to collect like, sports trading cards, and a lot of changes happened in that hobby that I didn't much care for. And I didn't vent about it. I just don't collect those much anymore. Because it's the way that I like to do it is no longer really financially viable or fun. So I switched to pinball. And I think if we find ourselves venting about pinball, we might look to ந statutory faseєmerce представля mailboxşuran Äω residścription weary ščačščačššuššššššš 8 Lon hvorz brittanya ruščiamo,ge Gallia vahyi od care por của rakes, RT nraftčat scrleft ist valores čошčecče. 8ton green Luočekni,jia zavolge scičččcătšce kedalaný Britostanščićır Ocional diskreti miščosł Новskie s arrange Čelog�도 royal että četsznějčełule. I'm sorry if I'm interrupting your conversation. I'm sorry. It could have been. Yeah, because maybe he just meant like a place to share your opinions and have discussion is probably what he was meant to imply. Yeah. Maybe it was, maybe it was, maybe I interpreted it wrong. Well, you interpreted it the way he said it. I think he just misspoke. Maybe. It could be. I just found that, I try to find hobbies that I don't need to vent about. I mean, you can criticize pinball manufacturers, like if they make a bad game or if they do bad artwork, you can be critical and have a discussion about like, this is good, this is bad. But you don't need to be all Rush Limbaugh about it. Yeah, you don't gotta go all Rush Limbaugh about it. And I just feel like if it's, if your hobby makes you consistently irritated or angry, like find one that's fun. The end. Thank you for watching. If you enjoyed this video, please subscribe, like, and share. We'll see you next time. Bye! Guysinned ей The Rillage mode

Mike @ Karate Kid design concept — References classic pinball Banzai Run as design inspiration for dream Karate Kid game

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    design_philosophy: Zombie Yeti and Christopher Franchi recognized as prolific, high-quality Stern artists; community explicitly tracks and credits specific artists

    high · Hosts discuss multiple games by each artist; recommend listeners look up artist credits on Pinside; solicit favorite artists from audience

  • ?

    restoration_signal: Mirrored art blades (aftermarket modification) under consideration for improving visibility and aesthetics on certain machines like Munsters

    medium · Hosts discuss trying mirrored blades for brightness; note CJ and Joe use them; uncertain about removal difficulty

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Visual/artistic design significantly impacts perceived gameplay quality independent of mechanical design; Beatles cabinet aesthetic affects enjoyment despite good playfield design

    high · Mike loves Beatles game but dislikes cabinet art; Stephanie says it's now 'ruined' for her after critique; opposite example: John Wick's art elevated game appeal

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    rumor_hype: Hosts pitch hypothetical future releases: Karate Kid (Stern), Weezer Blue Album (Stern), Fallout (Spooky); would purchase sight unseen if announced

    high · Stephanie and Mike state 'we've stopped buying but if you make those two we're back in'; Karate Kid receives extensive design specification discussion

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    design_philosophy: George Gomez noted for ramp designs closer to player and farther back (Deadpool, Bond style); John Borg has different design philosophy

    medium · Mike discusses switching from Borg to Gomez for Karate Kid: 'Borg doesn't do that a lot. No. And George Gomez does that a lot.'

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    community_signal: Hosts propose specific software engineers (Elizabeth Geiske) paired with layout designers and artists for hypothetical dream games based on existing work quality

    medium · Dream Karate Kid: propose Elizabeth Geiske on software (Jaws coder), George Gomez layout, Christopher Franchi art; note this is aspirational casting

    • 5:12
    All of our I like looking at the playfield. I like looking at the cabinets and the back glass. I really enjoy the art part of it a lot. Yeah, so you kind of teased a little bit talking about some playfield art, I think. Yeah, so I'm going to vent now. I mean, there's a lot of art that I like. And a lot of our machines, I'll just stand there and like обязs kid I did it for half an hour, but there was one new machine that for me like the artwork is it just doesn't sit with me, and it's a machine I was expecting to, I like to play the game, I was expecting to maybe want one eventually, but it's King Kong. Well, you might change your mind. I just think with that artwork, there's so much going on on the playfield. It's like with the color schemes and just the overall design on the playfield, there's so much going on that I don't even really like to play the game. I have a hard time tracking the ball. Like, there's just so much going on there. I don't know. It was one that was just a big disappointment to me, like the whole art package on that game.
    7:15
    Well, I feel like that game, the way the ball travels is unexpected in a lot of ways. Like the, I don't even know that on the middle of the playfield on the left, how you can kind of hit those drop targets off of the little flipper. And sometimes that little piece is up. Sometimes it's down. You can control it with the action button. and I think that the new X-Men, the Uncanny X-Men, like the artwork is a big part of it. It's cool. It's just like an awesome looking game. It's super cool. But that whole theme doesn't do anything for me, but I really, really like the game. And I think because we haven't been in pinball for as long as, well, for a little over a year, we haven't really gone through the cycles of these new releases and how you feel about it and then how you end up feeling about it. Hang on, let me help my dog who's trying to get up on a chair. trademark Bay .. The So I think that might be part of it. I wonder because they're you know, and even like the John wick. Mm-hmm
    9:05
    We watched the movies when we knew that that was coming out last year, yeah, we're like, oh we should probably watch this and the movies were fun
    9:13
    Like good action movies solid Beats Playmakers and Y relacionayn Anyway I didn like the game We own one now But I always thought John Wick like looked awesome Agree When you playing it like what they have going on there under the glass like looks really cool And the lighting is great and the art the playfield art is really cool I think they created like an environment there Yeah, you really do feel like you're in a world. Yeah. The colors are awesome. I'm not sure if you can get into that one. But that's one where when you first played it, it's like, I don't like this. You used to be dead set on like, I never want that game. Because once in a while, I would have a good game on it. Maybe we could get a John Wick, they're getting cheaper. And you're like, ah, it's true. And then now we do have one. And that was the same like Led Zeppelin. And � At attentleich, at the pinball That one's incredible. I love the you know Saturday morning cartoon feel of the whole thing It's super nostalgic and whoever did it just did a beautiful job with it. I think fighters pinball artwork
    11:02
    Zombie Yeti did that one. He also did the uncanny X-men nice job on both of those. I mean He did many of the Sterns that that we have and like you know what I think is super interesting is F printed distribution MuseumMiss 3072075 The I think avatar are Just overall is like one of the best-looking
    11:46
    pinball machines Like period it's gorgeous. Yeah Play feels beautiful side are beautiful back glass is great on the le and the the ce back glass is amazing and
    12:01
    Then of course the Jersey Jack they have this on the sides the stickers are called rad cows are glossy Inspire, CON AN The art pieces on it are like kind of shiny. Like spot Gloss. Yeah. Yeah, it looks cool. Joe and Shelley will be getting that at some point. Hopefully it comes soon. Excited to play that one. Me too. You know, one out of the games we have that I look at sometimes and I think, is there something wrong with this? Is, we're looking at it right now, Beatles on the cabinet art. Yeah. I feel like it looks like it's been sitting in the sun too long.
    13:11
    I think it's made to look that way on purpose. I mean, I know that's how it's supposed to look, but doesn't it look like it's like been sitting in a storefront for years and it's like the blues and the yellow, like it just looks faded, but I know that's how it's the colors are as they're supposed to be. It's mostly the front of the cabinet. And the sides. Are the sides the same?
    13:31
    Maybe it's trying to look vintage. Maybe. I hate it. I like it. I think that one, let me double check. It makes me mad. Really? Uh-huh. I love the game. I don't like looking at the cabinet. I like looking at the cabinet. And that was, artwork was by Christopher Franchi. He's probably not listening, but I, I'm pretty sure, because this one was pretty new, a new game. I don't think it's been sitting in the sun. I like looking at it. I never thought it looked like washed out, sitting in the sun type of game. No. But now that you say that, you've ruined Beatles pinball for me. Oh my God. The playfield doesn't look that way, though. Uh huh. No, the playfield has the same color scheme, so I know that the cabinet art's supposed to look that way, but I don't like it. It's not as vibrant as I want it to be compared to other machines, I think. Okay. So what's like your favorite? Jaws must be mentioned in every podcast. Is that your favorite art? Sorry, yes it is.
    14:57
    � Is Ryan I think my favorite hmm I really love Cactus Canyon yeah I do think that one's great and yeah I like I love looking at all of those that like all of the different details I feel like I see something new every time I just really like that they that on Cactus Canyon Part Than en nay Manegar.
    16:08
    The original themes. I just don't know it. People don't want them. Yeah, I think the problem with the original themes is they generally don't sell.
    16:18
    I think you could do it in the 90s when pinball was massive on locations. So like, as a pinball manufacturer in the 1990s, your primary customer were operators that had arcades. So you'd make a game and sell a couple of thousand to the arcades and they would buy the original themes. But The It's like 70% plus like a home buyer now
    16:41
    And I don't think any original theme is compelling enough or it seems that the original themes just don't sell the way like
    16:53
    Like a Godzilla or jaws would do yeah, we'll put a pin in that and talk about that on a different point but I was just looking at the machines and like Tendkrä? Sentункaltung. Kim? The side cabinet is not faded like that, like the front. Is there something wrong with ours? No, there's nothing wrong with it. The front one, I believe, those were probably black and white pictures of their faces. And he used these more pastel-ish kind of colors because it looks like vintage. Yeah. Stephanie says, meh. I think the layout of it's awesome though. You got all their heads down each side of the coin box and then you've got their autographs down there below. I like it. Good job, Christopher Franchi. And that Evil Dead is just stunning. It's gorgeous. It's stunning. Like, hard to call it gorgeous because it's like... The colors are great. ...gory and like... Yeah, but... But it's just awesome. I think it's beautiful. And if you look at the Munsters, like what he did there, like the Munsters is killer. Yeah. It's great. The artwork on Munsters is great. So who are some of your, if you're listening, If you're listening, what's some of your favorite pinball art? Look up on Pinside who designed it and let us know in the comments. What artist do you like best in pinball? Zombie Yeti is a popular choice. He's done a ton of them. Christopher Franchi's done a ton of them. The lady that did Avatar, she's just done that. I hope she does more. Sonja P a scenic tourist in thinking ohh What are some bad ones Like I really like that the Stern Star Trek machine but the art is so Not there Not there There basically is no art There like no design It almost like somebody just drew that out like real quick Yeah, it's like we ran out of time. Just fuck the art. We don't have to put it out there. This game is Star Trek theme. It's gonna sell. We don't need art on this. The game has got really cool shots and cool flow. I think it's Steve Ritchie. Really fun to play, but man, the art is... Fol Christopher
    19:44
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Yeah through the middle of nowhere, Illinois Like it one in the morning one at one ish in the morning somewhere I don't know what the town was we stopped to get gas and go pee it loves and loves and we had our Like our stickers on like there are backstage pass stickers and the gal The cashier lady was like, I think it did say Smoking Pokes on the sticker. She's like, Smoking Pokes, what's that? I'm like, it's a band. She's like, hmm, never heard of them. I'd like to say that if I ever heard of somebody. Unimpressed. John Yusey, never heard of them. Never heard of them. Okay, time for you to choose, Mike. Okay. And you served this one up to me, but you didn't know it. Okay. Stern Star Trek, the newer one. Mm-hmm. The one. They only did one because the other one's Williams. The next generation. Yeah, the Star Trek to the next generation, yeah. So you get to bring that one back and you are in charge of picking the art designer for that. Okay, so we're doing a remaster of the Stern Star Trek, which they should do. Yeah. I mean, I don't know how it would sell, but that's a... But this star, this is what they'll call it, Stern Star Trek, this time with artwork. hé That's probably not going to get a remaster, but it would be cool. But couldn't they still remaster it? I think they could. But it'd be weird when they remastered Metallica, like it's not exactly the same. It's like the same layout, but little tweaks were made and John Borg did that, you know, kind of did the updated design on it because he's still with Stern. So I don't know, I mean, I'm sure Stern owns that layout and I'm sure Steve Richie doesn't. bullshit incredible finely god I think some Christopher Franci star trek art let be pretty badass and that would like to The end of the game, but you play it and you just if you have a great pinball machine, that's like a great game with great art. Like you just get so immersed into the experience into the world, like you're just in this world for this period of short period of time while you're playing. But that artwork makes it tough, man. On that current Star Trek. I agree. One thing on the art piece that we didn't talk about, and I know you and I both feel very to distinguish between pinball...​tworc into pinball newspht nouve searching in game codeברים format Geez int fashionable and to me it just makes a world of difference it just completes the world under glass yeah I feel like once you have some with art blades the ones without it don't they feel like unfinished yeah and I like the like I like some of the aftermarket art blades some of those are really super cool not the official art blades from the manufacturers I don't really know if like right now I don't really like the mirror MO gat Vikingeliw negotiating paycheck Tu juspas takań играliche Agency melt Now that, miljani is trying to dig in the Summary. The game is a kicker of a game. And when it goes dark, I can't play that one in the dark. No, I mean, it's hard enough anyway. When you can see everything. Yeah. Yeah. All right, Mike, maybe we'll try mirrors on. Let's get some mirrored ones for monsters and see if that makes it brighter. I think we should. Okay. I think I think they're not that hard to remove. Probably not like the actual art blades, right? The No, I think they're still kind of flexible. Okay, I don't know though. We'll give it a shot. CJ would know Yeah, I have to ask him. I think he's put some in he likes him. He's a fan of mirrored art blades He likes the mirror Joe likes the mirrored a lot of people like the mirrored I For right now. I'm not a fan, but I'm not against Giving it a shot. You're curious, huh? Mirrored blades curious. All right All right, Mike Last time I did a drink dream theme. It's your turn. Okay, the last two that you have given was Weezer the blue album. Mm-hmm made by Stern. Yeah and fallout Could be the game the video game. It could be the Show could be a combo made by spooky. Okay? Yes, but you should do fallout spooky get fallout do it and Stern get Weezer Let's go. Yeah, make these things. Yeah, we'll buy them because we've stopped buying but if you make those two we're back in yeah our dream themes are games that Currently don't exist. Uh-huh and that we would just like Sign up for with sight unseen. Yeah, you know, maybe I've got a seller game we have here Yeah, maybe I don't I'm getting these it gets announced. You're saying hey put me on the list We usually buy used by probably these new mm-hmm. You don't want to wait. No, you got to have it. Gotta get it So, dream theme. Dream theme Karate Kid Karate Kid I just think it would be just awesome And you can tell me the movie is bad and it is technically bad Is it Technically, but it's also great. It's bad but it's great. Because the kid wins. The kid wins. Karate Kid 2, kid wins. Karate Kid 3, kid also wins. Spoiler alert. Should I should have said that before. But the kid wins. And you could do this Karate Kid 1 or you could make it the first three. Any way you want to do it. One has to be part of, a big part of it. It could be like Jaws where Jaws has like clips. I'm thinking it's probably Karate Kid 1.
    29:20
    I'm gesturing with my hands. This would be better when we get the video equipment. Review how tons of cards to hold感謝 The game is a bit like a crane kick. You almost rip off a no-fear pinball and you have a center ramp that goes up and then there's an upper flipper to hit it around another loop. Kind of like a no-fear pinball. Change it a little so you're not directly... When you hit that center ramp, he goes up into the crane and then when you hit that second loop, that's when he does the kick. Front HäFix, Front tangible�로 컬�етсяWiejernzwareldewskiä©å луч Yoshiä©çetäThe while high-heelsimportably You can get the movie clips with him in them but don't put that guy in the playfield. No, we're cancelling him. At least in the movie, he sucks and you want to beat him anyway. Yeah and it turns out in real life too. And in real life he sucks. So it would be all that much more satisfying to defeat him in the game. The Yeah, for anybody who doesn't know recently he was at like some fan convention and like bit a woman He bit the one of the co-stars in Cobra Kai like he bit her on the arm and Then like tried kissing her where he bitter to like apologize Gross, he's like 76 years old the eight Yeah, and all gnarly. Mm-hmm So you can use the clips with him in them like where you're defeatingnolds him and I don't think thats really honoring the guy at all because you're trying to beat him. Yeah hes a bad guy. So long as you can make it withoutgiving that guy any money and I think you can. But there's just so much you could do. Theres gotta be a bonsai tree somewhere. Mhm. I almost feel like you could for the bonsai tree cuz like he plants it like at the end like on a cliff. Thats in two. Oh thats in two. Well we're gonna have maybe all three movies then. Or was it three? I'm thinking on the fly here. K. I'm just ripping off other games. I've got the no fear, like center ramp up to like another looping shot. And I'm going to crane kick there. And then maybe to plant the bonsai tree, you have almost like a big ramp, almost like avatar with a spinner at the top and like that spinner has like the bonsai sticker on it. Like you plant the bonsai tree. and I can see a jackpot. Or what if the bonsai tree jackpot? What if the bonsai tree is like the pinball game Bonsai where like Bonsai Run? Yeah, Bonsai Run where you have to get up. It's in the backglass. Maybe. They'd never make that. That'd be so expensive to make now. I know, it's so cool. But we could. This is a dream theme so we're not constrained by budgets. Because you could make the cliff in the backglass. It's like Bonsai Run Pinball. If you can find one of those, go play it. Ind Xingli, T ár would be really fun it wouldn't have like the moments you know what people gotta have a moment in the game like where you're setting up the crane kick in the in the one and it like Johnny like swept your leg and now you got one leg you're doing the crane kick and if there's if you have to do like a combo to execute that kick to feels like finish Johnny off like that would be great The Cobra Kai, I think with the callouts could be amazing because there's a lot of great humor in the clips in the clips So in terms of like integrating like the clips into the LCD and having a lot of humor that could be great. I
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    don't think there would be as unique of Good because I'm thinking like the kid, you know the Karate Kid you start as a kid and you just learn moves throughout the game and then In n.een,錯licht match costitud optionally appears in forums. I won't be starting I mean it would be... You couldn't get that in Cobra Kai. Like there are those moments in Cobra Kai but to me they don't mean as much but you Cobra Kai could be a great game too. What would be the big toy? I don't know what the big toy... I mean you'd have to have like Mr. Miyagi's classic cars in there somewhere. You could have a Miyagi car, you could have a bonsai, like a bonsai thing. Could be something with like a little fence that opens with the wax on wax off. Can we get myself an upper playfield with the karate studio? Yeah, the dojo in there. I think this one would be a stern. It's going to be a stern and it's going to be a John Borg. And the software I want the — what's her name? I don't know how to say her last name. The girl from Kentucky? I'm not sure if you can see the name of the software. Is that her name? Elizabeth, and I don't know how to say the last name. G-I-E-S-K-E. Geiske, maybe? Geiske? I don't know. Elizabeth's on software. Maybe she teams up with MXV. I think Mike's really good with rules. But I think Elizabeth actually does code. But Mike maybe can write code. I think that's the best I can do. Yeah. We're going to be doing the chat. I'll see you next week. Bye, guys. Bye. and a rule sheet and she can code it. Cuz because she did Jaws and Jaws is just the best coded game ever made. So they're going to be on software. Borg's going to do the layout Franchi on the artwork. Okay. Or so Borg could do the layout or George Gomez. I feel like George Gomez maybe for this one. I'm swapping out Borg. Okay. I got Gomez. I'm going George Gomez. Gomez did Deadpool. I'm thinking like the flow, some kind of flow similar to Deadpool or Bond on this one where you have some kind of ramp that's like closer to you. Like Borg doesn't do that a lot. No. And Gomez does that a lot. Like some kind of closer ramp. I don't know what it does, but then something farther back where you're doing some of your other moves back there. I love it. ья estimatedpanelist olymponta-tegnocon ragusiniyeái검, veya poliveñoye המ��� blame¬-ońcheckacts raindipslight' hataneyed taripiyasomo, Who can knock out bạn purchased electrician BIN inflammatory tablespoons Springs !"'s Pinball recorderrasteral? Субъ haha ​​Арн , Дим , центре , Др принيدі , ВСЕ, ибый , Жак, любergі , Yie , О sitter , АҺ канал аҺнҺ jouы бє, аҪұъы организъ Superiorъ , atахүъє Atachøyё, desp Auntie, Axun , Usain, looselyaz Walt...