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Episode 113 – Ron Loves Star Wars

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Oct 24, 2018
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TL;DR

Ron's expo recap: critical first-plays of Oktoberfest, Mafia, Thunderbirds; converted to Star Wars.

Summary

Ron recaps the upstate New York pinball expo he attended, detailing hands-on impressions of new games including Oktoberfest (early software with balancing issues), Thunderbirds (poorly designed), Mafia (overpriced at $7,500 with minimal playfield), and the newly announced Monster Bash remaster. He also discusses his conversion to Star Wars pinball, visits to the Museum of Play, several industry seminars, and homebrew machines in the vendor hall. Bruce stayed home but provides color commentary.

Key Claims

  • Oktoberfest has a major software issue where the juggling multiball mode can be selected repeatedly without finishing it, allowing infinite plays of the same mode

    high confidence · Ron describes watching Steve Bowden exploit this at the seminar; confirmed by Bruce that developers acknowledged the issue needs fixing

  • Mafia pinball costs $7,500 and has only a single ball (no multiball), no ramps, and minimal playfield shots — fewer shots than classic 80s Stern games like Stars

    high confidence · Ron played it at expo, examined the ball trough, and made direct comparison to Eugene Jarvis's roast comment about $15k for Batman

  • The upper right flipper ramp shot on Oktoberfest doesn't work consistently — ball goes halfway up and falls back repeatedly, suggesting a power/electrical issue in the vendor hall

    high confidence · Ron tried the shot multiple times, couldn't make it; saw others fail too; speculates electrical issue since other shots worked fine

  • Monster Bash remaster comes in three tiers: Classic ($6,000), Special Edition ($7,300), Limited Edition ($8,000), with upgraded graphics on Special/Limited

    high confidence · Ron confirmed pricing and feature differences, similar to Medieval Madness and AFM remaster treatment

  • John Norris stated at the Deeproot seminar that 90s Gottlieb games were designed only for casual players and Deeproot will change that philosophy

    high confidence · Ron attended Deeproot seminar; paraphrases Norris's statement about Gottlieb's casual-only focus

  • Star Wars pinball has a Pro/Premium difference: on Pro you can backhand the Death Star shot; on Premium the ball must make it all the way up because you can't backhand it

    high confidence · Ron discusses this with Bruce after playing extensively; contrasts two versions' shot mechanics

  • About 50-60% of the free play room games were from Rob Burke's personal collection, which inflated the game count appearance

    medium confidence · Ron observes that expo filled the free play area by borrowing Burke's inventory

Notable Quotes

  • “$7,500 for this game, are you fucking crazy?”

    Ron Hallett @ ~mid-content — Expresses shock at Mafia's pricing vs. minimal playfield content; references Eugene Jarvis's roast comment about Batman pricing

  • “It's a small pinball world.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ ~mid-content — Responds to Ron's coincidence of meeting Martin, the Museum of Play tech, in line at the expo

  • “I've been converted. I love Star Wars. That's a terrible game. Awesome game, Bruce. It's an adrenaline rush. It's what I've been looking for. It's great.”

    Ron Hallett @ ~later in content — Ron's surprising positive turn on Star Wars; marks sentiment shift from skeptical to enthusiast

  • “The juggling one is like a two ball multiball and you can just choose it over and over and over again as long as you never finish it.”

    Ron Hallett @ ~early-mid content — Identifies critical Oktoberfest software exploit; Steve Bowden demonstrated the exploit during seminar

  • “Gottlieb, literally just coming out and saying they only cared about the casual player.”

    Ron Hallett (paraphrasing John Norris) @ ~seminar section — John Norris's candid statement about Gottlieb's design philosophy; explains Deeproot's pivot

  • “Everyone treated him like a fucking rock star... Every time he said something, like anytime, like when they each kind of like introduced themselves and like everyone got applause except him they literally gave him the silent treatment.”

    Ron Hallett @ ~Deeproot seminar section — Describes community reaction to an unnamed industry figure (likely controversial designer); silent treatment vs. predicted protests

  • “Dude, it's a custom game. I mean, notice it's got multiball. Look at the backglass.”

    Ron Hallett (internal thought) @ ~homebrew/custom section — Ron's amused observation of a person behind him not realizing a heavily modified Gottlieb custom game wasn't original

Entities

Ron HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonOktoberfestgameMafiagameThunderbirdsgameMonster BashgameStar Wars

Signals

  • ?

    product_concern: Oktoberfest has a critical balancing issue where the juggling multiball mode can be selected infinitely without finishing, allowing unlimited plays; demonstrated at seminar by Steve Bowden

    high · Ron observed and confirmed the exploit; developers acknowledged it needs fixing

  • ?

    product_concern: Oktoberfest's upper right flipper ramp shot fails consistently, going halfway up and falling back; vendor hall electrical issue suspected but concerning if design is at fault

    high · Ron couldn't make shot multiple times; saw others fail; shot worked in seminar room; other shots on same machine worked fine

  • ?

    product_strategy: Mafia positioned at $7,500 with minimal playfield content (single ball, no multiball, no ramps); Ron invokes Eugene Jarvis roast questioning the pricing

    high · Ron played machine at expo, examined trough, compared to classic Stern games; expressed shock at price-to-content ratio

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: Star Wars Pro model allows backhand shot on Death Star; Premium model requires full ramp, making it harder to execute

    high · Ron discussed mechanic differences between tiers; influenced his decision not to trade Spider-Man for Star Wars

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Ron converted from skeptic to enthusiast on Star Wars pinball after extensive play at expo and Rochester; cites adrenaline rush and action button mechanics

    high · Ron states 'I've been converted. I love Star Wars' and spent extensive play time on it; Bruce expresses disbelief ('That's a terrible game')

Transcript

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0:30
Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host Ron Hallett, here with my co-host Bruce Nightingale. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. Well, no, that's Lethal Weapon 3. We haven't got there yet. Everybody, everybody, oh, sorry. This is episode 113, Lethal Weapon, which I have seen. Really? Yes. I've actually seen it and I like it. It's good. The original Lethal Weapon. I'm too old for this shit. The thing is you're supposed to be 50 in that one. I think by Lethal Weapon 4 you would have been 70 or something if they went by that timeline. But an all-time 80s classic. It's got violence, cocaine, you know, what else could you ask for in an 80s action flick? Break your, you know, reset your own shoulder? That's it, no, that's the next one. Is it? Yes. I thought he threw his shoulder out and he's climbing against the wall. No, no, no, no. No, that's the next one. Oh, that's the one where he jumped off the roof. This is the one with Gary Busey in it, where he fights an Indian. Yeah, yeah. He jumped off the roof. Oh, this is the one where he jumps off the roof, yeah. Yeah. You wanna? Well, that's fine with me. Come on, asshole. Let's do it. And he jumps off. Great scene. Wow. You can't just tell I've watched the movie more than once? Yes. Yeah. This is episode 113. This is like our expo... what do you want to call it? Our expo recap episode. Extravaganza recap. Mm-hmm. So, Bruce, how is it going? Okay. We had our podcast last week. It's a live podcast from the Silver Ball Saloon. Yes. Wasn't it exciting?
2:23
I think it went well. I don't really hear me. Rocketelet and Tor Kız by Juan de Yesterday Tongue digitizer by David Kesedere Larry Wolney, CBC Capt zw accidentally I'm going to put the YouTube, I didn't even put the parental advisory on it or anything. So I think we're good. Oh, we're going to get flagged. No. I'm worried about getting flagged from the music. But luckily you really couldn't hear the music in the background. That's what I was worried about. Let's see. Episode 113, Expo Recap. Are you ready for the awesomeness that is Expo? Because I went and you didn't. Yes, and I worked and you didn't. Oh, I was working. I was working playing games and researching the newest and latest and greatest in pinball. Okay, so the question I have for you is... Oh, okay, okay, yes? I'm going to ask you about a pinball machine. It's very important. Very important, okay. Now, there's a lot of pinball machines that came out new, right? You can say yes or no. Yes. Okay. How was Catacomb? Toast was awesome, as it always is. Yes, yes. It was on five ball. I didn't get that, but what are you going to do? What are you going to do? Play good. Play better. Yep. I played like the cerebral duo. I played Catacomb and then I played like Spectrum. So did you understand it now more? Oh yeah. I get Spectrum. If anyone's ever played it... Not Spectrum, I'm talking about Catacomb. I've always got Catacomb. Catacomb's not that difficult. You're trying to fill up the toast. Yes, I agree. The Bagatelle, nobody, as usual, the whole show I'd walk up to the game and it was like at the end of someone's turn and it's sitting at the Bagatelle game that no one played because no one knew what to do. Yep. That's typical. I got to see a Iron Maiden, the original Stern Iron Maiden. Ah, I've played one, one of my local friends has one now. Game sucks. Yeah, game sucks. It still sucks. It's terrible. Oh my god. It sucks as bad as I remember. Oh, it's actually, I think it's actually worse.

  • Riptide Pinball Podcast episode has been 'almost done' for nearly 3-4 months since being recorded 2 days after Pinburgh

    medium confidence · Ron and Bruce discuss delays; Ron has been collecting snippets from industry figures asking where the episode is

  • Martin, the main tech for the Museum of Play, was at the expo and confirmed issues Ron and Steph had found there (Game of Thrones Iron Throne ejector broken)

    high confidence · Ron's anecdote about meeting Martin in line for Oktoberfest; Martin confirmed the issue happened 'the previous day'

  • Thunderbirds has the same or fewer shots than Mafia but is a worse game overall due to poor shot design and narrow ramp in the middle of the playfield

    medium confidence · Ron describes playing it; Bruce pushes back that Thunderbirds has more shots; both agree both games suck

    • “It played fairly long. The artwork is nice, very, very colorful artwork. It's got a cool little corkscrew habitrail thing going.”

    Ron Hallett @ ~Oktoberfest description — Mixed positive feedback on Oktoberfest's aesthetics despite software concerns

  • “I'm lazy all right. I'm so lazy I actually forgot to start the damn timer, so I have no... I'm already going to be off.”

    Ron Hallett @ ~early in episode — Meta-commentary on reduced editing; establishes Ron's time constraints affecting podcast production

  • “You're world famous. Yeah, I'm world famous in Poland or whatever.”

    Bruce Nightingale / Ron Hallett @ ~expo stories — Ron's surprised reaction to being recognized at expo despite removing his lanyard

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    Deadpoolgame
    Iron Maidengame
    Black Holegame
    Steve Bowdenperson
    Martinperson
    Stephperson
    John Norrisperson
    George Gomezperson
    Timmyperson
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    Sterncompany
    American Pinballcompany
    Chicago Gamingcompany
    Museum of Playvenue
    Rob Burkeperson
    Zachperson
    Pinside Peteyperson
    Silver Ball Saloonvenue
  • ?

    design_philosophy: Deeproot designer John Norris stated that 90s Gottlieb games were designed exclusively for casual players; Deeproot aims to change that approach

    high · Ron attended Deeproot seminar; paraphrases Norris's statement about Gottlieb's philosophy

  • ?

    community_signal: Unnamed controversial industry figure received coordinated silent treatment at Deeproot seminar despite community predictions of protests; hosts and audience gave standing ovation to others but silence to this person

    medium · Ron observed and described the deliberate lack of applause/reaction; contrasts with predicted 'picketing with signs' that didn't materialize

  • ?

    content_signal: Riptide Pinball Podcast episode recorded ~3-4 months ago after Pinburgh remains incomplete; Ron collected snippets from industry figures asking where the episode is

    high · Ron lists people who recorded where-is-episode snippets; mentions 'almost done' rumor; expresses hope it's done by 24-hour event

  • ?

    venue_signal: Expo free play room appeared fuller than actual game count suggests; ~50-60% of games were from Rob Burke's personal collection, inflating availability

    medium · Ron observes Burke brought 'half his collection' and notes it filled out the room; two vendor rooms (main + satellite)

  • ?

    event_signal: Expo attendance roughly flat year-over-year; slightly lower perceived than previous year despite apparent game count

    medium · Ron notes 'attendance was about the same as last year' but 'seemed like almost even less'

  • ?

    machine_intel: Monster Bash remaster officially priced at three tiers: Classic $6,000, Special $7,300, Limited $8,000; special/limited include upgraded graphics

    high · Ron confirmed pricing at expo; notes special/limited have better displays similar to Medieval Madness and AFM remasters

  • ?

    manufacturing_signal: Monster Bash remaster in production with tiers being manufactured; different speaker panel designs between editions; topper accessory included

    high · Ron examined all three models at expo; noted visual differences in speaker panels and topper quality

    • 4:41
    Oh my god. Worse than what? Worse, it's almost as bad as Black Hole. Almost. Oh. Oh man. I don't know, I think it's worse than Black Hole. Really? Mmm. That game, it does absolutely nothing for me. Nothing at all. But there's a perk to that game compared to Black Hole. What's the perk? You can still use the boards in something else and really want to use the boards in something else. In Black Hole, you wouldn't. Because, of course, it's a Gottlieb. You got it. Such Gottlieb hate. And our listeners... I own one now. You own what? A Gottlieb. Oh, yeah, an alien star. That's still a Gottlieb. That's a good Gottlieb. I know, but it's a lone one now. So what does that tell you? No, it's a Milestar. Is it My Star or Milestar or whatever it's called? Our listeners may notice I am not going to be doing as much editing, so little mistakes and things I'm going to be leaving in because I need a life and I can't take two days to edit these anymore. He's lazy. Yeah, I'm lazy all right. I'm so lazy I actually forgot to start the damn timer, so I have no... I'm already going to be off. Excellent. I have to do these time codes so when Bruce says something really inappropriate I know where to go to edit it. But Bruce is going to behave. Issa Page, It's every day. Road Me Met Beat And Excuse Me Profit fy
    6:35
    My impressions? Let's hear your impressions. Let's hear your impressions of the Oktoberfest guy. The Oktoberfest guy? Who's the Oktoberfest guy? The sounds. Okay. Let's hear your impressions of it. Yeah. It has like... it's mostly guitar riffs, which is cool I guess. But they kind of just repeat over and over and over. The software is obviously very early. There's like a, I'd say a major issue with, like when you start modes, they're called like tents, like there's different tents. Yes. And one of them has, they have different things, they have different names like looping, juggling, this, that, whatever. The juggling one is like a two ball multiball and you can just choose it over and over and over and over again as long as you never finish it. So... Problem. During the seminar, yeah, I was watching Steve Bowden play it, and once he kind of got that, it was a multiball, he just kept picking it every single time, because why wouldn't you? Yeah, I guess they learned that, hey, we got to fix this now. Yeah, it played fairly long. The artwork is nice, very, very colorful artwork. It's got a cool little corkscrew habitrail thing going. Think like Lethal Weapon III but more and slower. And the lock is like at the back. It's supposed to simulate like a roller coaster when it comes down. It has a corkscrew. It's cool when you start multiball and there's like two or three balls in the habit trail doing that. It has some dude at the back, Homer.
    8:17
    He's got his head turned back and forth and it's basically like if you remember Houdini, the thing he hit And it slides open and you hit the ball in there. This could literally, could have been the same mech. I think it was. Yeah. So you would hit it in there to start different things. It had a drop target which in front of like a saucer like in the dead center. So you hit the drop target down, you hit the saucer. I could not hit the damn saucer. It had the Steve Ritchie shot except it didn't work. Excellent. And for those of you... You can actually play the game and then not make the shot that probably will, you know, as you said, the Steve Ritchie shot. Yeah, the Steve Ritchie shot. On the left, there is a up-down ramp. Mm-hmm. And it's up most of the time. When it's down, you hit it up into the lock at the top of the back of the game, or it'll go through there and do the corkscrew thing. Mm-hmm. Most of the time though the ramp is up. When the ramp is up, you hit the left orbit, it comes all the way around to the upper right flipper. And then there's like a steep ramp right there, which you think you'd be able to hit. I could not hit it. And by not hit it, I mean I would hit it and it would go halfway up and come down, halfway up and come down, halfway up and come down. It's gotta be electric in the building, man. That's... I'll chalk it up to that. We'll have to see. The thing is I was able to hit all the other shots fine. I mean, nothing seemed weak, but I could not hit that shot. I didn't see anyone hit the shot in the vendor hall. I think in the seminar room I did see someone hit the shot, so it's definitely could be a power issue. But the thing is, if it's a little lower power and now you can't make it, I'm thinking like, you know, Gottlieb, was it 80s Gottlieb steep ramps, you can't make them unless the flippers are 100% power type ramps. At least the upper flipper, you could hit the side ramp or you could hit the under the dude, the head for the start mode shot or whatever. And what else about it? I mean, it had all the yaw and all that, you know, that kind of stuff. Ooh, yaw. The humor and that kind of thing. The ball times were really, really long. If you knew where, once you got the hang of it, it was like the anti-Houdini. hentai nerdy
    11:06
    It was like this high-pitched piercing sound. But it definitely needs some work in the software department. I'd like to see it where you can actually hit the side ramp. It's the one I played.
    11:17
    You couldn't do that. They changed the back box a little bit. Yeah, I saw that. They still got the weird curve like Houdini on the top and then the bottom. It's kind of different. But they did do the same thing with Houdini, which I kind of like where they have like the screen, they have the back glass that surrounds the LCD screen. That's like kind of part of it. Yeah, they said they raised it up a little bit, yes. But if you remember Houdini where like you're in the audience and that's the stage, it's kind of like what they did, like you're part of Oktoberfest. Or lower, they lowered it actually, they said they lowered it. Yeah. So I mean headlines, so I guess it was, I don't know, time will tell. Time will tell. Did they have a price? Because I heard people asking like what the price was and I don't remember them having an answer. I have not heard the price yet. Okay, so yeah, there's no price yet. We'll have to see how that goes. Let's see if Pinball Star has a price on their thing now. Let us see. Pinball Star. And I won't be able to edit this, so while you're looking that up, Thunderbirds. I was going over all the games I played. Now, Thunderbirds, this isn't necessarily too new because it was at Replay FX, but I didn't get to play it. I played it. I will not be playing it again. It sucks hard. Oh, it is bad. It's a turd. I know I see what they mean. It has that bizarre, it looks like a ramp in the middle of the playfield, but it really isn't. It kind of goes up and then just goes right back down again. And it's so narrow. No pricing. Okay. I'm going to look on one more thing. And every time you hit the thing, it like, you're trying to spell international rescue. You know, like 40 shots later, you might spell it. I did start some other multiball. It's got like an up-down ramp thing on the right side. Mm-hmm. But I mean, oh, that was so painful.
    13:09
    So painful to play. That, that sucked. Then, while you're still looking that up, I got to play Mafia.
    13:19
    Mmm. Okay? You know what I gotta say about Mafia? Yeah, what's that? Okay, 75... It's not worth 7500? Well, yeah, I'm gonna borrow the Eugene Jarvis line. If you remember at Gary Stern's roast, where he said, you know, $15,000 for Batman, are you fucking crazy? I'm gonna say $7500 for this game, are you fucking crazy? Wow. There literally is, as far as I can tell, no multiball. I looked in the ball trough, it looks like it just has the single, single ball. Excellent. Single ball, no ramps, nothing really on the playfield. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Kanyu Kandikoff, Steven P. Kutzyk, Jack Kluge, Jon Mobley, Bill Pettis, John Pettis, Josh Black, and DeBinckle, Kanyu Kandikoff. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Kanyu Kandikoff, Steven Pettis, Josh Black, and DeBinckle. And they had headphones there. So you had to put the headphones on to hear the sound, which was, you know, I guess it was okay.
    14:09
    But there's just nothing there. I mean, there are EMs I played that have more shots that are more fun to shoot. The Prospector I have has probably more shots than that. Yikes. It's like, no, I don't understand. I know they're going for the throwback thing, but I mean... They went way too far back. I mean, this isn't even at like 80s classic Stern level, like as far as what they have on the plate. I think Stars has more. Maybe it's about the same amount of shots as Stars. Yeah, maybe it's about the same amount. Stars might have more shots than this thing does. I just, no. I mean, if it didn't cost that much, I wouldn't be going off like this. But $7,500, are you on crack? Are you high? Wait a sec, wait a sec. Thunderbirds has more shots. Yeah, but it shoots terrible. I know, but it has more shots. It sucks. The Mafia? Yeah. The Mafia, no. Mafia sucks. Thunderbirds sucks. And you're giving a plus? You're undecided on Oktoberfest? You gotta be able to hit the side ramp. It shoots better than Houdini. Well I think anything would. Yeah so I don't know if that's that's praised or not i mean it has the right kind of atmosphere Houdini? Two people. You want a Houdini? Are they? No. No. I'm like, God, no. No. To be determined, it's not, I didn't have the Thunderbirds mafia reaction like, oh my God, this is a turd. Okay. No. It plays long, though. Okay, so- You know how I am with the games that play long now. It's just, they bore me. They bore you. But, then we have- Klytus. I'm bored. What can you bring to me today? A large... Yeah, something... The inhabitants call it... Earth. How peaceful it looks.
    16:22
    Now I want to watch Flash Gordon, damn it. I love Flash Gordon. Why do you do that? I love that movie. I like to play with things a while before annihilation. Just listen to the soundtrack. You get all the best sound bites out of it. Yeah. And then you got the Queen killer soundtrack. Can you imagine? I know someone did it like in Future Pinball or something, but having Flash Gorin with like multiball with a full Queen soundtrack from the movie. Hey, I'm going to run the movie. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. That's pretty rockin'. Back to Expo. Monster Bash! So, next pinball machine we'll talk about is Deadpool Premium. Oh, we're going to talk about Deadpool Premium, okay. Yes, probably because there's very few that were out beforehand, so what did you think of Deadpool Premium? I didn't play it. I didn't play Deadpool at all. Wow. Sorry. Deadpool snob, I see here. Well, no, I went to the Deadpool seminar. Well, I went to the Stern seminar where they went over Deadpool, the making of Deadpool, which I'll get into when I get to the seminars. Okay, so the last pinball machine besides the home brews is a Monster Bash. Yep, came in, saw the three Monster Bashes, the three different models, which are, I had it here, there's like six thousand for the standard. The classic edition, 7300 for the special edition and 8000 for the limited edition. It looks like with the special and limited editions you can get the better display, with the upgraded. Yes, it comes with it. Yeah, and they did the same thing, it's the same treatment they did with Medieval Madness and AFM, where you get the improved graphics, it's a little higher res, they look better. I mean, I didn't actually play it because it's Monster Bash. I played it a zillion times. I didn't need to play it again. Well, you should have played it at least once or twice to see if it was playing the same as the other ones. What am I going to do? Do the Attack from Mars, Medieval Madness? The flippers aren't exactly the same! Well, they're probably not. See? Yeah. But our fans want to know. Our fans want to know. I did not play them. Sorry. The thing I noticed is all three had like different speaker panels. Like the one looked like the original. I assume that was the classic. Yep. And then the one had the big screen. Mm-hmm. They both had the second and the third had the, yes. Yeah. But they had different speaker panels. One was like a circle. Yeah, because one's lighted. Yeah, one's, yeah. So they were different. And then it had the topper, which topper looks cool. Alexander Kcepul,
    19:38
    No one. How many people shook your hand? Shook my hand? A couple. Okay, because that's what you know, you, Steph then won on that one. Oh, what did Steph say? Remember Steph said, give Ron a nice healthy handshake instead of a hug. Yep. So thanks, Steph. And I had, I decided after the first day to not wear my lanyard. Mmm, fly. Thinking, thinking, because it has my name on it. So I thought that would help. It didn't help. I'm recognized now. Uh-oh, you're world famous. Yeah, I'm world famous in Poland or whatever. Yes, you are. Yeah, I had multiple people recognize me. So, I was forced to be social. That is hard for you. That is hard for me, but I think I pulled it off. I said pull off. I think I pulled it off pretty good. Actually, before I get too much into the other expo things, I have one more Oktoberfest story. I'm standing in line for Oktoberfest, right? So while I'm standing in line, actually to explain this better, before I went to expo, when I was hanging out in Rochester, I went to the Museum of Play where I think I've been once before, But I went there with Steph and we perused the museum and we eventually went to the pinball room. Oh. Yeah. And we played like, they have a Star Wars LE here? Yep. And they have like a, they have like a Lord of the Rings Whitewood, they have a- Yep. All donated from Stern. Yeah. And a Game of Thrones like LE, a Tron LE, like holy shit. Yep. Well, when Steph was playing the Game of Thrones, the Iron Throne must have broken. So, like it wasn't ejecting balls, so eventually all the balls got stacked up. So we turned it off. So when I stand in line, I'm standing in line for Oktoberfest, I start talking to the guy in front of me, who, well, actually he recognized me. We started talking. And I mentioned the Museum of Play, you know, and that we were there and then this game broke, and he takes his card out. It's Martin. And it's, hey, he's Martin. He is the main tech for the Museum of Play. Yep, I know Martin. Very well. Like, are you kidding me? Talk about a small pinball world. It's a small world. I told him about, like, well, I told him about a couple of the things that we noticed. He said, oh yeah, yeah, I'm aware. And then the Game of Thrones one, like, okay, that must have just happened. It's like, yeah, it just happened like the previous day. That was funny. So I was just like, that was funny to me. It's a small world after all. Did you see Chris Franchi? Yes, I said hi to Chris. Okay. And then, let's see, what seminars did I went to? I went to, okay, I went to the Deep Root Seminar. And? Did you get deep-rooted? No. You know, it's wild to go to these now. Like, I walk in there and you see, like, Timmy, you know, he's a Stern employee now. Steve Bowden, I see, funnel bonus, sitting up there on stage with all the other Deeproot employees. It's like, wow. It's like all these guys I know are getting hired by pinball companies. You're next. Yeah, I'm next. As a what social media guru? IT. No, thank you. I hate IT. And then we got the, who do they have? They had the Robert... what was his name? Mueller? Yep. Did I say that right? Mueller. He had Steve Bowden, Dennis Nordman, John Norris, John Popadiuk, Barry Osler, and the guy whose name I don't know, because he's from like the comic book field originally. Yeah, the story guy. The story guy, yes. Yeah, the story guy. I'm sorry, story guy. I suck. I have failed. So how many people were picketing with their signs saying, down with... You know, everyone talked all this shit and like he better have security when he's there and all this crap and you know what happened? Everyone treated him like a fucking rock star. You know what happened? Everyone treated him like a fucking rock star, didn't they? No. What they did is every time he said something, like anytime, like when they each kind of like introduced themselves and like everyone got applause except him they literally gave him the silent treatment like anytime He said anything no one said anything They get mission is booed and hissed and said that was a better No I actually liked the silent treatment I thought that was pretty funny They literally like did not there's no reaction Wow, yeah, so then they have the question and answer session so you figure like okay, so we got it so here we go. No No, we're good So you keyboard warriors. Yeah, shut the hell up. You're not gonna say anything. Yeah, totally agree And I mean as far as the deep deeper didn't really have anything Of course not. So they were just going about, you know, telling us what their philosophy on pinball is and and
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    You know see bound talking about all they're gonna use layering, you know different layers of You know rules for different skill levels and and at the most interesting thing I thought was John Norris Basically just saying that a Gottlieb, literally just coming out and saying they only cared about the casual player. Oh, of course. Like that's all they did, that's all they wrote anything for. And how that's going to change it deeper. But it's just interesting because he was responsible for a lot of those 90s Gottlieb games that you love. Right? Dead Silence. So he is. And what he's responsible for, I don't think he was the designer, but I think he did the software for Teed Off, We'll see you next time. dont factor inowany out Yeah, so I went to that seminar. I also went to the Stern seminar by George Gomez Seminar. I had Timmy ask me, you're gonna go? You're gonna go? Because he went because it was about Deadpool and he was on the Deadpool team. So he said, you're gonna go, right? So I went and Timmy's sitting behind me. So that was pretty cool. And it just went over the usual Theme music
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    www. всегоwonka.com Once you meet everybody, you meet all your pin buddies and all that stuff, and I mean, I've played everything at this point. What the hell am I going to play that's any, you know, I don't know. But you know what I played a ton of at Expo and before in Rochester?
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    Star Wars. Oh, God. I've been converted. Oh, you're a fucking moron. I love Star Wars. That's a terrible game. Awesome game, Bruce. It's an adrenaline rush. It's what I've been looking for. It's great. So you gotta look for a trade for your Spider-Man for Star Wars? No. Okay. They're not that good then. Maybe something else, but not my Spider-Man. I mean, if I was gonna get a Star Wars, I would get a Pro. Because the premium... The ramp doesn't work. Well, also, when you hit the Death Star shot, you can backhand it on the pro. You can't backhand it on the premium because it has to make it all the way up. Yep. And the supercharger's cool, but eh. It's not that cool. So yeah, lots and lots of Star Wars, Bruce. I was moving the button. Moving the button. I was moving the arrows with the button. It was great. The action button rules. Zach has converted me to Star Wars. But I still hate Black Hole. I'm going to probably start loving Godly. I start going to love, start loving Ghostbusters now, right? No, no, no. But I do like I do like Black Rose, but I always like Black Rose. I always love it, too. I mean, we we won that one. What was it? Pin? What was it called? Pinball. Picking that thing over and over again. Mm hmm. The memories. But as far as the expo overall, they definitely had They have more games than for the free play area. How is the arcade exception? But I think, here's the thing. I really think they didn't have that many more games, but like Rob Burke just brought like half his collection there. So like, you know, like 50, 60% of the games in the free play room were like his. You know what I mean? So it filled it out. And then they had two vendor rooms. They had one with like mostly video games in it and some pinball and the homebrews, which I got to play. The one homebrew was a big game. So that Greyhound or something? Yeah, it had basically different artwork on it, but yeah, about saving greyhounds. But other than that, it was... Go Greyhound and leave a driving to us. It was literally big game. Like, same sound, same software, nothing really changed. Then there was, um, what was it? Ghost in the something or other? What was it called? It was based off an anime. Yeah. And I probably should know the name if I was a competent reporter. I heard some guy brought this pinball that was, you know, they based the newer pinball machine on. I'll get to that. So the anime one, the anime one was okay. Yeah. Then I played the, um, Nightmare Before Christmas one. Looks pretty cool. Yeah. That had a lot of shots and all these diverters, balls going all kinds of different places. This is like a wide body. It was the one wide body.
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    Well, actually the Gary Hound one was a wide body, but it's a big game. Uh, and then that was pretty cool. And then I played this Archer game. I'm telling you, man, I think they totally ripped off Iron Maiden. Really? I bet you did. It looks just like Iron Maiden. It's amazing.
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    But I played that, and it has a very target thing on it. That you hit and the ball disappears behind it. So that's something that didn't make it into Iron Maiden. Yeah, they said it didn't make it into... Did you see the one? Yeah, I saw the one. Actually, he was watching me play his game. Oh, there you go. Yeah, and after I finished, I just said... reducкие And then he went into, well, the multiball was like way too hard to get to, the one multiball, and he was watching me and he's like, yeah, that's way too hard to get to. So he went into the settings which involved him opening the coin door and taking like a keyboard out, like a regular keyboard. Yep. And I'm like, is this a 6804? Is this like an upgrade? This is the full keyboard now? I thought it was funny. I did too, actually. And he was, I mean, it's running P-Rock. Yeah, of course. He was going into like XML files, changing stuff. Hmm. I guess that's where the settings must be. There you go. Did you see the sharps? I saw the sharps. See Pinside Petey? I heard he was there. Yeah, he was there. He was there. Did he rag you the whole time? He's such a dick. I hate him. But while I was there, we plug this every week where we say that this is the week that the Riptide Pinball Podcast is coming out. Yeah, how are we doing? You know, the one that was recorded, I believe, two days after Pinburgh and it's been, what, three months now? Yeah, almost four now. Well, no, it's almost three actually. Yes. It's almost four. No, it was recorded at the beginning. Oh, three, sorry, no, three. Yes. Yes, sorry. And so I started getting all kinds of people to record little snippets asking where the episodes were. I was sending them all to Steph. We have to maybe include them at the end, like the end credits. I got Timmy. Timmy's was awesome. He says how working on a podcast is really hard and he really respects anyone who does that. If you don't work on the podcast and get it done, he can't respect you. He says, where's the episode? I got Jack Danger to ask, where's the episode? I got Crystal, the co-host, to ask, where's the episode? I got Jeff Teolas to ask, where's the episode? And my favorite, I got Elisa, the woman who beat Steph in the playoffs at the New York City Pinball Championships, to say, like, hi, Steph, remember me? Where's the episode? Wow. So, it's been rumored, I've heard rumors that it may be almost done. Yeah, I heard somebody was pressuring her this week. Yeah, so it literally may actually be coming out. I hope it is done by the time the 24 hour happens so I have something to listen to on the way there. Good idea. Yeah. And what was I talking about? Oh yes, the, so yeah, there's tons of Rob Burke's games were there so there was like two split, he owns two split seconds. Hurry, hurry. Because you can never have enough, hurry, hurry, hurry, hurry. I got to listen to that too. Oh God, that is so annoying. Pat Panik I don't, I don't understand. Zach likes two by fours. Even that, I don't know. Yeah, he puts two by fours under the back legs of games. Yep. And what other, I'm trying to think of any super rare games. Oh, they had a rat race there. Yeah, I saw that. I guess that's super rare. How rare is that? How many did they make? One of ten. Okay, so that's really rare. I played it, it was weird. You move a joystick to move the whole playfield around. Yep, yep. They had... Did they have a Gamertron? Oh, no. They had... One of the other custom games was... I can't think of what it was called. It was like a throwback game. It was an EM that had been modified to do multiball. And the funniest part of it was I'm playing this game, and it's obviously like a custom game that someone is... They've taken an original like Gottlieb game and put different art on it and made it in multiball. Well, as I'm playing, I can hear a guy behind me who doesn't realize this, and he's looking at the playfield like, this looks like so-and-so, which is whatever game it probably actually is that was the theme from. It's like, where is this from? I wonder if this is German. I just felt like turning around, I was like, dude, it's a custom game. I mean, notice it's got multiball. Look at the backglass. The backglass had some like racy kind of art that Gottlieb would have never done, you know, and it said Gottlieb on it. Yikes. Yeah, so I just thought that was funny. I almost forgot about that custom game. Yeah, Rat Race Joust, which I saw some people playing. When I tried to play it, it did not start.
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    Yeah, I don't know if it needed credits or whatever, but bummer. They had a lot of, they had like a skateball that like all powder-coated orange and... Yeah. Yeah, a lot of fancy stuff like that. That's solid state, didn't it? Did it? It did. Really? Yeah. I had like Williams flippers in it that like went up so high you could trap everything. Excellent. Yeah. I guess the playability is not the key. Nope, never is. I thought the one next to it that was like an original one actually played a little better. Yikes. But what are you gonna do? So that was the free play situation. How was the arcade games? The arcade games were fine. They were fine. I didn't really play too many of them but they were all on. I assume they were working, I don't know. Then the, that was, that was vendor room number two. That was like the satellite vendor room. The free play room, like I said, it was, it was pretty much full. Then the vendor room, the main vendor room, is where all the coolest shit was. All the new games, all the, um, all the ones that just, like your Oktoberfest, your Thunderbirds, your Mafia was in there, all the Lace and Grace from Stern, tons of Deadpools, tons of Iron Maidens. It was nice. Very, very nice. As far as attendance, here's the thing. I think the attendance was about the same as it was last year. Mmm. But I think it seemed like almost even less because there were more games. Yeah. But I was getting on stuff like... Back in the day, you would go into the free play room at like 1 in the morning and not be able to get on anything. I went in the free play room like in the middle of Saturday and was able to get on anything I wanted. Mmm. Like, there was at one point, I turn around in the vendor hall and there's Kingpin, and there's no line, there's no one playing it. I saw that. I walk up and play it. I mean, that would never happen at say like Texas, something like that, you would never ever see that. But for me, the patron, it was awesome, because I hardly had to wait for anything. Nice. So I don't know what that means for the expo. I mean, from what I heard, that's going to be their last year at that hotel. Yes. Thanks for watching, and I'll see you next time. The vendor hall was nice. This year they had just tons and tons of the newer stuff in there. I even bought some parts. LEDs? No. Actually, I just brought the rubber feet, rubber casters. Not rubber casters, the rubber feet for the casters. So you can't slide my games around. Good boy. Mm hmm. I think that's about it for seminars. I think I covered everything. Oh, So, Pirates. Almost forgot. So I played Pirates. Fairly good game, at least what I thought was a good game on it. Then later on, I played it with Karl DeAngelo. Mmm. And was completely annihilated. And he obviously has played this before because he knew all the tricks with the button. Yikes. Yeah, there's like you can set certain awards or something. And literally it was all on his first ball. He just stacked at least there must have been three or four different multiballs going on simultaneously. And like every shot is lit. And he's just hitting everything and he gets he ends up like 2 million something on pirates and his next two balls he does nothing. I think I got like one or two multiballs started. But I got slaughtered. We also played Jetsons.
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    Yeah, pretty much. Not much to say there. There was a tournament. Actually, there was all kinds of tournaments there. They had, well, first they had a raffle for Deadpool, which they drew Saturday at 10pm. I have no idea who won it. I didn't win it. I started walking over there when I saw they were doing the drawing and I heard people cheering, yeah, it's like, oh crap, that means I didn't win. Tim Kitzrow, Loser Kid Pinball Podcast. Which is outside of the vendor room. And run by Trent Augustine as usual. Featuring the bracket from hell. Yeah. So if you're not familiar with this, basically qualifying is Thursday. And you just play, try to get the best scores you can, and it'll put you in either A or B. I'm assuming the top players are restricted A anyway. How to become a member of When You Play With Josh Sharpe
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    A Wild餐 T sexualangenru mysterious Love The Playfields Initial 2019 perks continues just like the And some of the most wanted videos that's Google might see if you like to share some of local and local products. But only that was good stuff that I posted a couple of days ago, I hope you'll keep teaching me criar and this podcast that I'm doing even though I know I'll be new so movie nights The winner receiving $4,500 or a new Stern pinball machine. I believe that was the prize. And unlike the way I usually am, I'm actually prepared. Oh my gosh. And I have the winners. Stop it. I have the winners. Okay, in the main tournament, Escher Lefkoff's dad won, as he's known now. Yep. Keith Elwin second. Raymond Davidson third. Ad Wing This Week at Jet Cast at Ace Out So that's cool. Zach Wallens, Andy Rosa in second, Zach Sharp in third, and Raymond Davidson in fourth.
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    And I forgot one seminar was your friend Scott Danesi, the one who says you suck. I do suck. You do suck. He had a seminar about his new game. And? And he gave the title of it and everything. And it's most probably a... I think he was trolling. I think he was definitely trolling. And the reason I'm stalling is because I'm trying to find the game. I'm trying to find the name of the game here. Again, no editing. No editing at all. Let me just search for Scott. Oh yeah. Scott Danesi reveals name of the second game, Haunted House Party. Tim Kitzrow, Loser Kid Pinball Podcast. Tim Rant. You talked about a Tim Rant before. Oh, I did, didn't I? So what's he making fun of, me? Um, okay. So you want me to play the Tim Rant? I guess so. I guess I'll have to hear it. Ugh, alright. So I'm gonna play the Tim Rant now. I put this over last week. Tim said he had a Tim Rant for me and I was very excited. And so we recorded a Tim Rant. Let's just say it's a little unique and not exactly... I have not heard it. Tim Kitzrow, Loser Kid Pinball Podcast.
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    We've had this over on our last episode, so I'm very excited. Pinball fans will be very into this. If you liked Jeff Teolis' interview of a certain musician, you will love this. Um, okay. The number one myth in sports is that they are a meritocracy and not subject to the same racism, cronyism, credentialism, and nepotism as the rest of society. I'm a lifelong fan of the New York Giants. So I seen Eli Manning quarterback the team since 2004 And as I see the geriatric Eli Manning get clobbered as he fails to make a throw with any precision power force or intelligence behind it at all I think to last year when the New York Giants committed the ultimate sin putting a young black man as the starting quarterback of the New York Giants in front of their hero Eli Manning the man who led them to a 3 season last year and what looks like a 2 season this year will continue to get to start as the whole organization that made the decision to start a better quarterback a quarterback who does not drop the ball when a player lightly crushes him on the shoulder a quarterback who may have the ability to get the ball forward down the field So, as you live in the New York area and you see a lot of Eli Manning fans, just remember that one day Eli Manning will be inducted to the Hall of Fame. And from that point forward he'll be known as the worst player in the Hall of Fame. And the conversation will finally end and the New York Giants will be able to move on. The New York Giants are the last team to integrate at the quarterback position and they're the last team to give up hope on the worst quarterback in the NFL. Okay, Tim, um, thank you. Anything else you want to say?
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    I look forward to great Stern games here at Expo. New code on Deadpool 0.95 was just released today, as long as 0.98 for Batman 66 code. We're really getting the code up there. We're almost at 1.0 in every game Stern's released. Okay, um, thank you very much, Tim. Your triumphant return to the Slamtail Podcast. I'll see you around. Bye, Tim. So there you go. So they're gonna have a New York Giants pinball. They're gonna have an Eli Manning pinball machine. An Eli Manning pinball machine. You heard it here first, folks. Tim just talked about Eli Manning and everything and the integration. Okay, so it's a pinball machine that gets intercepted a lot. Yes. And it's not very accurate. Not at all. It's a little delayed. So it's a, yeah, there you go. An Eli, the Eli Manning pinball machine would have major flipper delay. Yes. All the shots would be easily missable. And the ball, and the game just dies and it drains. And it just drains. Tim Kitzrow, Loser Kid Pinball Podcast. It's gonna okay so you heard it here folks the Eli Manning pinball machine. You got it. Oh I forgot one more thing about Expo. The black and white Twilight Zone. Yeah I heard it was hard to see. Um I saw it pretty easily it was right there. No I mean while playing the game. I didn't actually play it but it looked cool as hell. I mean it was literally black and white. Yeah it's black and white it looks beautiful. It looks beautiful. pinball
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    There's a barrel. Oh yeah, there's a barrel in the game. Did I mention that? Wow, barrels are us. Barrels of fun. Oh, and the extra button, it was to control a couple of magnets. But you can also make it control, say if your arm's in a sling, you can control it so that one button controls the left flipper and one controls the right flipper on one side. Where'd you see that? They actually talked about it today. Okay. It was actually on Pinball Stars. Alright, I was unaware of that. See, so... Okay. Uh, Monster Bash remake, okay, we covered that. Uh, oh, and the Stern Tour. Somebody noticed the Star Wars topper. Yes, and the Iron Maiden topper. Yep. And the Star Wars topper is pretty much what everyone knew it was anyways, R2-D2. Of course. And his head moves. And he makes sounds like R2-D2 does. So there you go. In 20 years when Disney finally approves it, I'm sure it'll come out and it'll be great. It'll be spectacular. Spectacular. Also on This Week in Pinball, hi Jeff. Oh, I met Jeff. Hi Jeff again. Hi Jeff. Thanks for letting us rip off your site. Which is next, Beatles or Munsters? The source is now saying it may actually be Beatles first. 70-80% chance that Beatles will be revealed before Monsters. So, I mean, is there like delays with Monsters? Don't know. Don't know? We'll find out. I guess we'll find out. We'll have to see what comes out first. It's gonna be one or the other. You eating something? Nope. Grinding my teeth. Grinding your... Don't do that. I can't edit this stuff out. I'm just making it harder on you. Yeah, you said make it hard. On you. So that was 90% of the news. There you go. All the stuff we already covered. Of course, we're good. We're that good. While I was at Expo, though, someone bought dinner for me and my dad. Who was that? Isn't that great? We went to my dinner. Yeah, we had dinner at the, what's it called, Spears, whatever the hell, placed across, it's right across from the hotel. And, you know, I had my usual, guess what I ate, Bruce? Burger, plain, ketchup on the side that you first take off and you dunk and everything like that, yes. And fries, yeah. And fries. You were correct, sir. That is exactly what I had. Hey, I'm Ron, and I'm the guy that bought you and your dad lunch at Spirit. Where's my meal? We have groupies! Woo hoo! I want my meal! Thank you, Tony! I want my meal! Yeah! You want your meal. But you own a bar. You cook the meals. But thanks again. That was awesome. I'm like famous or something. No? I'm pinball famous. You're pinball famous, yes. So through the news, let's see what else do I have here? I have, while I was in Rochester, we did, me, Zach, and Steph, we all did separate streams. Oh, oh. Yeah, we did separate streams on Twitch. I'm going to give those, I'll check those out. There was some interesting things with the Stern Dracula that Zach had where basically they streamed it and then they changed the code on it, streamed that process, and then streamed the results. So their Twitch streams are Zach's is Zach AJ, so it's twitch.tv slash Z-A-C-A-J, and Steph's is twitch.tv slash Pinball Princess. Yes. So give them a watch. You can, especially if you're, you were a fan of the tech episode and you want to see someone actually modifying the Dracula code and what's involved, the kind of things that All of these things that Zach and Scott do. They do a whole one hour session on that. So give that a view. Then if you want to see probably the longest stream of Black Rose ever done, three hours of Black Rose, you can watch the Slam Tilt stream. That's the twitch.tv slash slam tilt podcast. We did a stream of Black Rose and Far Out, which is an EM that Zach has, and it was Far Out. Mm-hmm. Bruce is so excited. I'm more excited about the news I found out today. Ooh. Is it something you can share or no? Of course. Okay. What news did you find out today, Bruce? ELO's touring next year again. Oh. Fuck yeah. Come on. Yeah, baby. Are you going to go on tour with him? No, I'm just going to go to see him in Toronto this time. Because Bruce can sing. I can. And Kathy has your video. It's so weird. Kathy has your video. Kathy has my video. Yeah, so I'm going to hold it against you. Hold it. Just post it somewhere. I like teasing you about it. Teasing me? It only teases me if I think it's going to embarrass me. Go ahead. I want to see it. Okay. We will do it then. All right. But Bruce, his voice is completely different. It's not the voice you used in the car to sing all those like really dirty songs you would sing. No. It's like his voice is totally different. It's incredible. Thank you. Yes. Even Zach was like, he saw you from behind and he thought it was like someone else singing. It's like, that can't be Bruce. So there you go. Wow. Yeah. We're going to go to the mail ball bag. Oh, back at the back baby. Oh yeah. Yeah. So first email is from Soren. Hi Soren. Hello. He sent us a link about a mysterious German religious pinball machine. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Is this the original Oktoberfest? Yeah. No. Oh, it is on, it's actually on Pingside. Let's see, a tourist found a religious themed pinball at a church in Germany. It's not an IPDB or the internet at all. It's a conversion of something. It's called Superstar 20. Yikes. Can you see it? No. Does it look like anything that you've seen before? Let me look real fast. I gotta look real fast. Hold on, let me reach you a second. I'll look at the inserts. Oh, it's a bow and arrow. Yeah, it is a bow and arrow. So it's a converted bow and arrow with like cheesy artwork. Yeah. And a church. Yeah. Lord be praised, I guess. Praise Jeebus. Jeebus, yeah. So thank you so much. I'm trying to read the middle. It's kind of funny, you know, and where the extra ball is and something like that, you Like this. You know, so kind of funny there. Hmm. Then we have an email from Scott Larson. The subject is biology lessons from Bruce. Oh God. Mm hmm. See? Mm hmm. So what do we got here? Jeff and Robert share a room and nine months later Jeff is pregnant. That is the longest delay from event to pregnancy I have ever heard of. I don't get that. I get it. Okay. He should have gotten pregnant right away. Oh, okay. He would have had a baby. Also, Ron, tell me more about the gate you put on the upper flipper of either Star Trek or Spider-Man. I know there's an option of Spider-Man for Spidey Sense. Do you have it returned to the shooter lane? But the gate didn't make it to the production model. I saw someone in Pinside did this modification to their Spidey. I thought it looked interesting. He considered doing it to mine. All's it is, it's the little mini gate that is right by the upper right flipper. It's actually above it. It slows the ball down so it feeds nicely to the upper flipper. I removed it so the ball would just come screaming down. So I put it back in. Also on Tron, I'm sure you were concerned it was a fuse. Where do you buy your fuses? I'm careful what fuses I buy since the previous owner put the wrong fuse in Tron I had to send the board back to Stern to fix it after it screwed up the game. Thanks Scott Larson. So where do you get your fuses, Bruce? Pinball Resource. There you go, sounds good to me. And they're actually little fuses, which are very good. They're not no Japanese crap. Wait a minute, they're little fu- is that the name of the- Company. Yes, little fuse. Little fuse? That's the name of a company? Yes. It's called little fuse? Okay, okay. I won't say anything. Let's make sure. Now you got me thinking. I've heard of bus fuses. I haven't heard of little fuses. So while you're doing that, I'll go to the next email. Oh, this one. This is from Alex Erdl. Little fuse. L-I-T-T-L-E fuse. F-U-S-E. All one word. Okay. The next email is from Alex Erdl. He says, my Krusty the Clown impersonation sucks. Wow. I think that's the first person that's ever busted your, busted your, uh, impersonations. That's bullshit. I don't think so. My impersonation is awesome. What a moron. Actually you know I did this voice. If you listen to the old top casts, the original podcast, I'm doing the intro to one of them with this voice. They had me do it. Little trivia for you right there. There you go. By the way, Simpson's Pinball Party sucks. I hate that game. It's terrible. You're doing a great day, Bruce. Not at all. I have to play that turd every weekend now. It's so painful. Yeah. I think the turd you're playing out of the two is the other turd, Twilight Zone. No, I'd rather play Twilight Zone. At least that has some quality to it. I feel like I'm playing a shootable game. Mmm. Yep. I'm saying it right here. I'd rather play Twilight Zone. Wow, you are in crack. This has been ball party. No. Crack, crack, crack, crack, crack, crack, crack, crack, crack, crack, crack. And then the other emails are Bruce screwing up something.
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    No. Yeah. So now all the Silver Ball Saloon reviews go to our slam-tilt email address. Yep, which is fine. Yay! Now you actually can see how good and how powerful our media... Yeah, it is. ...idea. We, we, there's like two reviews in here and they're both like five-star reviews. Of course. No joke. The best weekend ever at the Silver Ball Salon. Congratulations. And I worked Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. I worked 17 plus 16. Hold on. Six. Hold on. I got to count it down. So I got there 11, 11. I worked only 委ir sac sanit Third Side Okay, he's finally using his brain. But then I asked him, what are you going to do after the 24 hour? Because folks, you know, this is in Connecticut, he's like five hours away. So what did you say, Bruce? I'm going to drive home. Can you repeat that? I am going to drive home. You're talking to the person who actually drove to Arkansas and back in like 60, you know, in 60 hours total. Remember? Yeah, I remember. Andя Путникова
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    We'll be right back. I'm going to leave and get a good night's sleep and then I'm going to come back and then I'm leaving. So you can follow me out? Yeah, but I'm leaving from work, Bruce. No, I'm talking on your way back. Yes, I can follow you on the way back. See, you could actually stop at my house and get some real sleep on the way back. I can get maybe an hour or two. Yeah. Maybe. lequel conclui a scott leaves was stacked kid coming a play games or something your arms senior Data East i a m ticket who can wait to see the carnage guests little really what what a real stability of business summer the weird shit happens and show The Coin Box Podcast is a production of between Kroger and Seagement, where chili beans are ừ
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    Your favorite episode, your favorite guests. And what was your favorite guest? And it could be both the same. We've had good reactions from everyone. Yeah, it seems like Clusterfuck was very popular. Which means we might have to do Clusterfuck 2. Yeah, although it almost killed me. No, it won't kill you this time. You're going to barely edit. I had to edit there. There was a lot of really inappropriate stuff said. And your point? My favorite part of the Clusterbuck is still when you got Steph on and literally the first thing she says is, what the fuck is going on? Yeah. That's my favorite memory from that episode. I have a lot of Lyman fans. Yes, we did. A lot of Elwins fans. A lot of Elwins, yep. We have Hank Hill fans, Gene Simmons fans. And Zach fans. Yeah, man, Zach is over. What's going on? I don't get it. Everyone loves Zach. You know what the funniest thing is? When I was at Expo, I had multiple people talk to me about Zach and they all thought he was old. Yeah. Everyone thinks he's old because he works on EMs. And just is like, you know, this sucks, this sucks. They just figure he's like a crusty old man. Nope. Zach is not crusty at all. Nope. He's a young whippersnapper. That sucks. Sam Macylosella, Doug Liet Cavalier, Apply for어�šeat, Kestrel Whoop, So let me get that up. I had this right here.
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    This is from... Oh, he's Australian, so I don't know how to say this. Rodden? Roddon? Rodden Osborne? Hopefully I answered that right. Hi, just listening to Scott regarding early Bally Stern game code rule changes. And there goes Bruce again. See, he likes to... The mic, the mic, like he likes to put it against his face. Oh. Yeah, so I get to hear all the whiskers on your cheek.
    70:28
    Let me try that again. Hi, just listening to Scott regarding early Bally Stern game code rule changes. I have a Stern Stingray, which I put a new playfield in a couple of months ago. Now, is Stingray the one that's the same as Dracula?
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    No. I think it is. Oh, no, it isn't. No, it's not. Wildfire is Dracula? Wildfire is closer, yes. Yeah. So Stingray is the same as Pinball? Yes, mostly. So I have a Stern, no, it's the same code. It's literally the same code. The code is the same, yes. I have a Stern Stig Ray, which I put a new playfield in a couple months ago and have been playing the crap out of it. I would like to have, this is a request then, okay Scott, I would like to have the game code modified where the two kick out holes instead of spin around off the 10 point switch incrementally start at the lowest threshold 5K and the light spinner rollovers then double They've produced podcasts, 그거 Bow Z именно, disproportionate, Helit I'm a computer challenge sort of person when it comes to coding. Regards from Australia, Rodan Osborn. Well, if Scott decides he wants to do it, that's how it'll get done. This is true. Yep. So I'll put it out there. We'll see if Scott comes back with anything. I'm trying to think, does Scott have a stingray? Don't think so. So who knows, he might have to send you the code, which you'd have to be able to burn somehow so you could test it for him. True. So just keep that in mind Because if he sends you any code you going to have to probably burn it yourself You got it punk Yeah punk Don listen to Bruce you are not a punk www All this for you, the patrons of the Silver Ball Saloon, which is located where? In East Rochester at 135 West Commercial Street in East Rochester, New York. Be there or be square. Yes, and a new pinball machine is going in tomorrow. And one's going out. Okay. What's going in and what's coming out? What's coming out? Mustang. Okay. What's going in? It's a valley-wide body. Oh, no. No. It's not that game, is it? It's not the doggone that's hot. It is. I've had three people request it. Three people have requested hot doggone. They'll be the only three people who play it. No, I think more people will play it. Okay. The old games are starting to kick really in now.
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    So, elucidate. Elucidate on that. More people are enjoying the older games. Lately. So. That's what you like to say. Okay. You like. Well. And then what. And then what's the goal? Like what. Stars was always the number one. So who's like. Who's other than stars who were some of the top old earners now? Oh, well, nine balls, number two.
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    And then. Big games, number three, and then behind it is Swords of Fury. Wow. So three Steve Kirk games. Yeah. So where's your meteor? That's gonna get hopefully done soon, but I have no free time lately. Need to get Zach to help me out. You don't say you don't have any free time. Yeah, go figure, huh? Yeah, go figure. All right. And then after, I'm gonna take White Water out for a little bit. And I think I'm bringing up the fist. The fist? The Dragon Fist. Where else are you gonna be able to play a Dragon Fist on location? www.pinballlifter.com
    75:28
    Um, my father's doors are done. Oh, so now we can bring in a big game. Yeah. For those who don't remember, uh, I can only get older games in my father's house because his doors were way too narrow. So we got that rectified. So hopefully I'm hoping this weekend, if the weather's decent, I want to get the Metallica over to his house and get the Sea Witch over to my house.
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    So we can really, you know, crank up the classic Stern goodness. That would be good. That means you'll have more room in your house. Well, no. I'm removing a game and adding a game, so it's the same amount of room, Bruce. No, you still have more room. You don't know how this works, do you, Bruce? No, you have a lot more room, so you can add more games. Hmm. Okay. So, you said ELO's touring again? Yes. Isn't KISS touring? Uh, yes they are. Those are the World Tour, Bruce. Yes. Will you be watching it? No. Why not, Bruce? Don't you want to give Gene Simmons more money? Nope. ELO all the way. They don't put out a kind of show like KISS does. They put out a better one, Gene. Really? How is that possible? Is there fire? No. Is there spitting blood? No. There's talent. That really hurt, Bruce. Am I right though, Gene? You might have a point, but we're richer. We're much richer. We're much richer, Bruce. The clowns. That's what I always call KISS. They are truly the clowns. I mean, the makeup they wear, like it's called clown white. It is. Look that up. I'm not making that up. It is called clown white. What else do we have here? Kind of threw my list, which is weird. You would think after Expo, we just have this super show and beyond forever. So we obviously suck. We actually do suck. We suck so bad. But I'm tired because for me it was a whole pinball week. There was so much playing and streaming and fixing. I never got to Zach's house either though. No, you didn't. We were in the game last week. You didn't. Nope, I was so busy. But I think we might actually, since Gamertron is now fixed, which was a Coindor switch. There you go. What's up, everybody? I'm Scott Danesi, and I'll see you next week. Have a great day. Bye. Diodes on them. Mm-hmm. But on a Bally… And Stern. They don't put diodes on the coin switches. Yup. So, if one of them gets stuck closed, you have extremely bizarre behavior. Yes. Which is what this was. So, soon as he got the coin jam out of there, got the switch in the up, you know, non-closed position, everything was fine. So, I guess that's the repair segment. Yup. Plus he wants me to work on the door down. Yeah. I mean, that's the thing. Staying with Zach, he puts you to work. We had to fix things. You gotta earn your keep. We had to work on Dracula, we had to work on D'amatron. I know after I left, they worked on, him and Steph worked on his six, what was it, four million BC. Yeah, we're still having problems. Getting that up, converting it from DC back to AC, because someone had converted it from AC to DC, and not the band. And don't forget, he's still looking for either a good, usable 4 million BC playfield, or somebody wants to try to touch it up and clear it. Oh, yeah, 4 million BC playfield, because he's got like a... Chipping and he's got a protector. He put a, what is it called, like a... Protector. Yeah, protector thing over it. And it's still screwing up. Ah, okay. I didn't see it. Was it in the stream? I didn't see the stream. Uh, yes. All right. So if you want to see a game screwing up... It's not screwing up. It just keeps on wearing War to Playfield down. Ah. Yeah, Playfield is really bad. It's got this bizarre... it's just like the paint's just flying off of it. Yeah, it's flaking like no tomorrow. Yeah. Any other repairs? Chirp, Chirp, Chirp. No, not really. I didn't have any breakdown for this week. It was a light week. A light week! I thought you said it was the biggest weekend ever! Light week for repairs. Oh. So they were good. So the machines held up good. They did. A couple of coin jams, that's it. Those were nice. And how was your event? You had a thing this weekend. You had a Stern Army event. We did. I was... I finished in second. Tim Kitzrow, Loser Kid Pinball Podcast. www.willywonka.com My first game on Simpson's Pinball Party was like a million. Yikes. The second one was like 12 million. I could not hit the couch anymore. So I just try to play modes. The funny thing is, you would love this Simpson's Pinball Party. We got there. When I got there, the game was off or appeared to be off, wouldn't turn on. I look at where it's plugged in. It's not plugged in all the way, but the plug had no ground prompt. So I thought you'd be happy. Nothing wrong with that. So, once I actually put the plug in, then guess what? The game actually powered up. Yay! Powered up and booted. Yay! So I think that's all we got this week. I'm sorry folks. I know it's only like an hour, hour and 21 minutes. It just seems like we should have more for Expo, but I mean, there was only that one reveal. Yeah. Octoberfest. I mean, all the other stuff, I mean, everyone, we figured that Monster Bash was coming out. That was going to be there. And it was. And it was, finally. And, you know, Mafia was there and, well, whatever. Other than that, I mean, Stern didn't really have any new games. Yup. I mean, they have their initiative to try to get all their games to 1.0. That's a good thing. Which is a good thing. I mean, Deadpool's getting there. Batman 66 is getting there. Uh, what else is getting there? There was one more that's at like 9. Is it Batman 66, Deadpool? Is there another one? Or maybe that's it. Am I missing one? No, I think that's it. Because, you know, Maiden's already above it and so is Guardian. So yeah, that's the only two. So, good job Stern. I did not go on the, uh, I got in too late to go on the tour. So I didn't get to see, I didn't get to see the, the toppers at the Stern factory. So, oh well. Oh well. So, overall, about Expo, I'd say, uh, it seemed to have a good vibe this year. The security was weird because they had like hired security and they all had like actual guns and casers and shit as they're walking around. That was kind of weird. That is weird. Overall, I'd say it was a good expo. I think they need more people to go to it. I mean, it definitely does not have as many... It'll take a while. It'll take a while. Yeah, it definitely... they do not have as many people as they used to have go there. Yeah. Well, why do you think that's so? What changed? What made, what changed it from like the 30th one where like the packed house and you can't get on any games to like now where I can pretty much get on almost anything I want? Well, we said, we've already talked about this before, but it's just, you know, the accumulation of bad expos where now people are going, why go there when I can go down We're going to Texas in five months, warmer weather, and see more reveals and have more fun and more games.
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    There you go, folks. Bruce has it figured out. Yep. I can't disagree. So when they actually do get better games and more games and more enjoyment, Uh...
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    www.willywonka.com Thanks for watching! When Dennis yelled at us, from the Eclectic Gamers Pinball Podcast, he sent me a link to a meteor that was $1250 with the worn playfield and saying that we are causing the rise of pinball prices for old Sterns. You want a funny Meteor story? Mm-hmm. Here's a Meteor story. I don't think I said this on the last podcast. No, I definitely didn't say this on the last podcast. Because this happened after we recorded the last podcast. Before I went to Rochester, like the Wednesday or Thursday before I left for Rochester, Zach sends me this for sale ad, Facebook ad. He does this all the time. And it's for like Meteor. It's like $900 Meteor that looks in really good shape. Yep. I'm like, dude, I'm like leaving for Rochester in like two days.
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    So you could put a deposit on it. Like, no, no. Maybe if it's still available when I get back, knowing that it's not going to be, but whatever. So when I go to Rochester, after we did our recording on, was it Sunday? Yep. I think Monday. Yeah, I think it was Monday. We went to a Rochester collector's house. James. CAMERON enjolks, skates 라고 kExplan I de ama ah Um... The There's a empty space there where the Dracula was. The Dracula, the Stern Dracula that he sold to Zach.
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    So I see the empty spot there and James is like, yeah, this spot's gonna be filled up soon, got a meteor coming. And I look at Zach and Zach's like, yep, like yep, that's the meteor, the one I sent you, he bought it. Like damn it.
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    But of course it's not funny now because you just ruined it. And then I heard that you actually said if you ever want to sell it, you are the first person you want to. This is the WillyWin Show, and you're listening to the WillyWin Show, the WillyWin Show, the WillyWin Show. 247 tournaments. Oh, the upstate New York rankings that I'm not even listed on? I'll finally see myself? Yep.
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    Cool. I hear we were called out in the latest, well, not the latest, but the previous to latest head-to-head episode. About what? About the Bally-Stern thing. Mm-hmm. What did he say? Did you hear it yet? No, I didn't hear it. Oh, he wants a challenge. Oh, really? We have conversations about pinball icekics, 아이, bill, Mechanical squad, Make it so number one. Yes, you are the manager of social media. Make it so. So the gauntlet has been laid down. Yes. We will challenge... Well, they challenged us. So we must answer... We will challenge them back. Oh, okay. I will take the glove off and slap them in the face right now. How's that? And with the glove or with your hand? Yes, glove. You will take the glove off, slap them with the glove and then do something with your hand. Throw it on the ground. And walk away. I was trying to get you to say something really nasty there, but you wouldn't do it. No, because you told me not to do it. You told me to be better. Jesus Christ, I love this guy. He tells me to be good, I'm good, and then he wants me to be raunchy. Yeah, but no, no. You can be vulgar, but in a funny, non-hurtful way. Oh, fuck no. Everything has to be hurtful? Yes. We're not about hurtfulness here on the Slam Tilt Podcast. We're about love, peace, harmony. Where the fuck have you been? 1-800- Gaoどう+, b-Get mission, in the name of kilin, game time on time, či mu中 , Anna Narachnik, I kept myself busy. Thanks, Dan.
    91:58
    John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Knapp Arcade, Raydaypinball, Straight Down the Middle, Cengiz, Black Water, Pinball, Cengiz, David Van Es, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, Knapp Arcade, Rayder Pinball Podcast. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Bowen Kerins, Laser Los, Rotary Pinball Podcast. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Knapp Arcade, Rayder Pinball Podcast. All right, we have Joe Newhart of Pinball Star. Go to him for all your non-Stern pinball needs.
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    He sells a lot of the games that we just ragged on, but he also sells other games like the new Monster Bash remakes and the Jersey Jack Pirates of the Caribbean. Ooh. And Mafia. And yeah, like I said, Joe Newhart of Pinball Star. And we have Mike Poopball, Flipper Fidelity.
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    Try him out for all your pinball speaker needs. He's also a Stern distributor. Hi to Steve Bowden, follow bonus. Hi Zach.
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    Who else? Pinball Profile, Head to Head, Mrs. Pin, anyone else? Hey, this is Pin. Hello, Mr. Pin. Dr. Pin. Dr. Pin. Thanks, everybody. This has been episode 113, Lethal Weapon. I can't wait for Lethal Weapon 3, because then we can actually do the song that you already did. Of course I did. See? It's just, I got to play Lethal Weapon again, of course. The same one that was there last year at Xbox. God, I love Lethal Weapon 3. Love that game. I think if I actually owned it, though, I would probably get sick of it. PC blird, but З и Thanks everybody. See you later. Say goodbye Bruce. Goodbye Tony Murphy.
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    Oh my, oh my, oh my, oh my, oh my. So I'm here at Expo with Krystal, the Ripside Pinball Podcast, and there's one thing on everybody's mind. And what would that be? Where's the episode? Well, there you go. You heard it. Where's the episode? Okay, where's the episode? I've already been to this video. Steph, where's the video? I mean, no, where's the podcast? Where's the episode, Steph? Out here with Jack Danger. Jack has something on his mind. Where's the episode? Well, Pinball Expo, my first time here. Pretty excited. I mean, obviously new Oktoberfest, a lot of other games, great speakers. One thing's missing. What the fuck is Riptide? Like, I need something for the ride. I mean, anyway, Steph, get on it. Crystal, I know, wants it, but whatever. Just saying. Hi Tim! Hi Ron. You know, everyone knows I have deep, deep respect for everyone who puts in the hard work, the hours, the time into doing a pinball podcast. You know, it's really the most important part of the hobby. And, you know, people don't do pinball podcasts. How am I supposed to respect them? You can't. You just can't. So where's that Riptide Podcast?