FNO Pinball Ep 9: Willy Wonka w/ Jersey Jack LIVE Call-In

Flip n Out Pinball·video·3h 53m·analyzed·Jul 2, 2019

Analysis

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TL;DR

FNO streams Willy Wonka with JJP founder call-in, discusses code 1.07 audio improvements

Summary

Flip n Out Pinball streams gameplay of Jersey Jack Pinball's Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory (Standard Edition) with hosts Ken Cromwell and Bill Webb. The stream features first impressions of the game, Pin Stadium lighting integration by Matt Scott, code version 1.07 observations including audio improvements, and a scheduled live call-in with Jersey Jack Pinball founder Jack Guarneri at 9 PM ET. Community members ask about movie clip integration, licensing (notably Candy Man unavailability), and game mechanics like the magnet system and golden ticket collection.

Key Claims

Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory arrived with code version 1.05; upgraded to 1.07 which shows audio normalization improvements
high confidence · Ken Cromwell discussing the machine's code history during stream gameplay
Candy Man song licensing was refused by another licensor and was off the table for the game despite negotiation attempts
high confidence · Ken Cromwell answering chat question about missing Wonka songs
Jersey Jack Pinball had to cut Total Nuclear Annihilation production (550 units) to make room for Alice Cooper production
high confidence · Ken Cromwell discussing Matt Scott and Spooky Pinball partnership
Matt Scott's second game is coming end of year or early 2026
medium confidence · Ken Cromwell speculating on Matt Scott's upcoming game timeline
Pin Stadium lighting kit installation requires tapping into a connector under the playfield near the wonkavision feature
high confidence · Technical discussion between hosts and Matt Scott about installation specifics
Black Knight plays with longer ball times compared to initial impressions of Willy Wonka
medium confidence · Bill Webb comparing the two games during gameplay
Jersey Jack Pinball code updates are easy to install via support page download, thumb drive extraction, and machine menu update while retaining high scores
high confidence · Ken Cromwell providing technical instructions for code updates
New England Pinball Festival featured actors from the original Wonka movie; Jersey Jack Pinball donated signed poster for giveaway
high confidence · Pedro Ganoza referencing New England event and JJP generosity

Notable Quotes

“the game I think we received shipped with with audio or with code version 1.05 and some of the sounds were a little more intense than others... I do notice improvements on some of the audio levels being normalized throughout the game where some of the machine sounds that were very very overpowering are a little more subtle”
Ken Cromwell @ early gameplay segment — Key observation about code evolution and audio quality improvements between versions
“Candy Man is was off the table there was not any amount of negotiating that seemed that would have landed that into the game itself”
Ken Cromwell@ 33:40 — Explains licensing constraints on Wonka soundtrack
“Matt Scott has his game number two yeah coming I don't know when that's all to a theater near you yeah end of the year early next year we'll have to see what happens there”
Ken Cromwell@ 12:36 — Hints at upcoming second game from Total Nuclear Annihilation designer
“ramps are buttery or smooth-feeling shots in gameplay buddy... one of the best shooting pins out there”
Chat/multiple hosts@ 20:29 — Consensus praise for Willy Wonka's ramp design and ball physics
“I have an answer but it's based off a theme... I think we're also we have more time on all these other Jersey Jack Pinball games other than Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory so I don't for me it's not a fair assessment”
Bill Webb@ 42:18 — Acknowledges insufficient play time to rank game against other JJP titles

Entities

Jersey Jack PinballcompanyFlip n Out PinballorganizationWilly Wonka & The Chocolate Factory (Standard Edition)game Ken CromwellpersonBill WebbpersonZach SharpepersonJack GuarneripersonMatt Scottperson

Signals

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code_update: Willy Wonka code version 1.07 shows notable audio improvements over 1.05, with better sound level balancing and machine sounds blending more effectively rather than overpowering
high · Ken Cromwell: 'I do notice improvements on some of the audio levels being normalized throughout the game where some of the machine sounds that were very very overpowering are a little more subtle'
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licensing_signal: Candy Man song could not be licensed for Willy Wonka despite negotiation attempts; held by another licensor who refused approval
high · Ken Cromwell: 'Candy Man is is held by another licensor and they refused to allow anybody to use that so Candy Man is was off the table there was not any amount of negotiating'
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manufacturing_signal: Jersey Jack Pinball cut Total Nuclear Annihilation production to 550 units to allocate manufacturing capacity to Alice Cooper game
high · Ken Cromwell: 'they actually had to cut the production I think it's 550 in order to put Alice Cooper netting her castle on the line'
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design_innovation: Pin Stadium lighting kit by Matt Scott uses custom LED connectors tapped under playfield to wonkavision spotlight, innovative installation approach requiring connector access
high · Technical discussion: 'There are two tiny little LEDs that faced the wonkavision and there's a cable that goes underneath the play field you can tap into the connector'
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gameplay_signal: Chat and hosts universally praise Willy Wonka's ramp smoothness and shooting mechanics, comparing favorably against Batman 66 and other titles

Topics

Code updates and audio quality improvementsprimaryLicensing constraints on Wonka soundtrackprimaryWilly Wonka game mechanics (magnets, golden tickets, wizard mode)primaryPin Stadium lighting integration and technical setupsecondaryPinball streaming content strategy and distributionsecondaryJersey Jack Pinball product lineup and manufacturing capacitysecondaryMatt Scott's game design work and upcoming projectssecondaryPinball ramp design and ball physicsmentioned

Sentiment

positive(0.82)— Stream hosts express enthusiasm for Willy Wonka's gameplay and ramp quality. Chat community is engaged and positive. Some frustration with incomplete learning curve and missing soundtrack songs, but overall celebratory tone for the game and the stream's one-year anniversary.

Transcript

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hello twitch viewers what's going on what's going on people and guess what we have today we did first we got bill web I was a win lit pin well podcasts TBD our partner in crime special on that audio guy yeah I'm Ken Cromwell today we have the highly anticipated and highly reviewed by this gentleman Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory supplied to us by flipping out pinball and manufactured by Jersey Jack pinball it's one of these games that I've been waiting to stream it's finally here we're excited to do it and we're gonna jump on it in a second we talked to Jersey jack pinball founder Jack canary earlier today and he's agreed to join us a little bit later here on the phone in line so we'll be able to answer ask some questions maybe get some answers if anybody has someone when the time comes along we'll try to do that and follow that in chat should be a good time it will be a good time Scott from PIN stadium has illuminated this game with his pin Stadium kit so we'll be walking you through that a little bit and I don't know man I think it's yeah we have not put a lot of time on it we've kind of wanted to wait and and re-experience the machine with everybody here in viewing it on Twitch in real time and we're assuming it'll hold up to our original thoughts and with the code evolving I think when we had first seen it it was around point five or something like that well you and Steve have like one game on it I still haven't played it since April so yeah very very little play like I'm assuming that we have audio so before we have any type of catastrophes if somebody can just confirm that we're coming through okay that would be great we'll hit start on the game and we'll get a three-player game going and we'll try to go we'll go through this all right cool no more pins awesome thanks guys we're gonna keep up with Chad tonight we expect to have a fun night and let's rock it out you want to keep same order as we've been going the last couple weeks yeah I don't know what it is it's the first is it's the first meet second I think you last week was you first I don't mind either way oh good well I mean let's just keep the table in order so we'll go bill Stephen and Ken good times here we go there we go guys loud and clear yes kids start you've earned it team low prices says lupa music underlay in the Pops which is pretty unique thanks Zach reminding everybody any bits or subs go to Ken and build from specially when Lincoln about podcasting for for streaming the pins and again we couldn't do it without Zach and flipping on pinball so thanks for having us aboard and Southwest Pennsylvania pinhead with Hunter bits thanks buddy thanks for stopping in thanks guys Penn Stadium use a couple bits to kick this off three minutes ago so thanks man what's up Scott good to see everybody here and this is gonna be a fun night I think this is gonna be a night where there are gonna be some things that we did not anticipate happening in stadium with 100 Pitts thank you thank you Scott always good to have Scott and chatting always good to have penn stadium lighting on these pins now for those of you that are looking for a Willie Wonka and the Chocolate Factory pinball you can contact the sack at flipping a pinball if you look on your screen to the upper left-hand corner you've got a number and an email for Zach and even though Zachary daiquiris on vacation he does not shy away from answering the phone that's what I've been told what do you think bill call tonight thanks for joining us guys next week steve's turn yeah but one next week for Steve couple changes I want to start making it to the stream here pretty soon is when I add another capture card so we can capture the direct video from the LCB so that would be a little more advantageous now there are things going on in this wonkavision that you cannot see from the overhead camera so we'll try to tie that in next week going down the order Joe Fox I'm still waiting for an answer for you didn't forget about you buddy got Canadian 23 in chat says finally some answers Joe Fox subs oh thank you buddy za Neurath happy birthday thanks man if you're talking to me I had a birthday recently and literally this game came the day of my birthday so very fun that was a great picture man you you had that day yeah Joe Fox is everyone's hero man cañedo isn't here today what up Perez what up buddy all right sorry guys we're getting caught up a little bit yeah I mean still first impressions man this thank you Chris cuz nothing's on TV oh we ain't flattered don't worry oh good Jackson going on here til to set tight attack for mark thank you very much for the hundred [ __ ] appreciate it I got to find that white that why right ramp today it's very accessible so dude it's playing well the ramps are extremely smooth on this game yeah it'll take us a few games to kind of get get loose here Scott Danesi ease in thanks Scott [Music] what up Scott Scottish hey what's up Scott how are you buddy happy wins happy win some Pete Zach's dad destroyed the underground pins an old cop Beach New York in the 60s Metheny sees in the houses hello Joe Fox at flipping out pinball you now or you have low standards he says in stadium with some burn head animatronic stuff going on in there this gots isn't looking good and my single you know I'm single during the stream Scott it can be for the right price though when I'm streaming I'm a single bachelor and then I'm remarried when I use the restroom twice during stream and then after the stream so yeah good times Nicko Cerf says wocka wireless headphones are not in the budget just yet no no no no no I kind of like the wired headphones so do I man it feels like you're connected and this is what we do for the the podcast yeah alright Joe this is their podcast setup got the Nisa there's something in my garage for you Kenan bill is it moment Scott is it what I'm thinking it is what we talked about a while ago because that would be pretty exciting no oh you have to clue me in on that I can't tell you unless I think I know what it is God's gonna be my best good friend here if that's the thing man wasn't the thing that was in his garage that we didn't disclose when we were at his house last time yes oh my god yeah don't get me going on now all right we'll leave that one right where we found it and for those of you that might not be familiar with mr. Scott Danesi he he is the creator of total nuclear annihilation which was contracted out to spooky pinball and has been a very successful seller for them they actually had to cut the production I think it's 550 in order to put Alice Cooper netting her castle on the line and Scott has his game number two yeah coming I don't know when that's all to a theater near you yeah end of the year early next year we'll have to see what happens there xx AWACS has followed thank you buddy thanks for following the channel this is good times we love doing this thank you thank you yeah we still got a stream TNA today says the pin stadium reflection is intense there is a lot of intensity and what you're gonna notice when the pin stadiums and and everything the G is going on and off it takes a second for the camera to kind of adjust so if there's a blooming effect it's not present when you're playing the game yeah as I hit looks great in person who care man what's up with it yeah I'm still finding my bearings on this game dude but ya know that right our answer so happy winsome Pete I've sent pinball 1963 dude I don't think I mean other than playing free for now man I don't think you know you can beat that yeah yeah Scott makes a great product fall during in the house up Dave doing some deep yep good point Scott yeah the overhead view is is not your players perspective no no it makes it it's kind of hard to try and get that yeah but I love this game Joe Fox thank you brother five hundred bits little bits Joe you know we didn't fill it up with gobstoppers so we don't know if it shoots them out of the coin door yet but we'll find out yes we mod that would be a sweet mod man but you'd only need one this is true because it's everlasting all right you know what's interesting on this game and we could talk about this a little bit later too is I mean there's been some chatter about some of the audio on the game and I can honestly say that the game I think we received shipped with with audio or with code version 1.05 and some of the sounds were a little more intense than others and it seemed like there were some things that are out of place just in the few games that I have on it since we upgraded to 1.07 I do notice improvements on some of the audio levels being normalized throughout the game where some of the machine sounds that were very very overpowering are a little more subtle and blend in so I think what I'd like to see is a little more separation in the sounds and not have things seem like they're playing on top of one another sure yeah but with the way that the code I would assume will evolve I mean audio is one of those things that can be corrected on every update sweet sometimes what's up loser cake Josh loser kid pinball pop can he doesn't chat here here the the game itself yes the game pretty rowdy okay is it too intense the the pen stadium that we installed we tied into the GI bulb that is actually connected to the spotlight that illuminates the lack of vision so there's wire that goes under the cable or under the playfield and you can tap into the the connector there so that's not bad you could hear it if you stop talking but if we stop talking then that means the show's over write it off right so this is kind of like where we're a little bit different I think we uh why don't we do this on this on this particular is it my turn all right on my turn will will be in silence here so we won't we won't say anything you can get an idea of how the audio is right now and then when I get back because I do like to talk I will absolutely start talking again I all right I want to say what's up Kerry Hardy what up brother Oh Kerry pollen is uh is After Hours know what it's like an hour hour from now hour and a half midday [Music] all right so now that Ken's turn is over Schmidty Schmidty in the house who else jumped in here just Lord helmet what's going on and thank you for the congratulations on the one year yeah dude honestly I can and I'm we started this we thought like 20 episodes might be the magic number so that's kind of cool you've got a little name action answer there buddy oh yeah that looks like I just probably Lord of the Rings breath one of my favorite handles is the Black Knight still drowning in the chocolate River Black Knight willy wonka are completely different games I will say that I had more fun on Black Knight than I had anticipated than I would have so far though I think Black Knight ball times are a little a little longer for us oh is that your mug shot I will say this not take any of the most any glamour shots being taken with the UH I think around this game I think your local police department can get it better shot in all honesty after a rough night of drinking yeah it's pretty much now you're now you're gonna be ready for it yeah ramps are super smooth on the game is pretty awesome to shoot I like it love that I think that's Jason right with slap save nope where's that Chris Chris Jacqui's brewing that up man Chris I'm sorry yeah southwest Pennsylvania pinhead the ramps on this game are yep are I mean it sounds cliche let's just ramps our butter buddy show them up there it is one of the best shooting pins out there no a little Tennessee whiskey reference a little bit why does the playfield go dark for high scores for the flash I don't know I know the playfield goes dark to draw your attention to the screen so maybe the playfield lighting takes away from the camera's ability to take a picture I'm not really sure bond heads copy on that cañedo 23 look guys better ramps better than Batman 66 clunk fest ramps so I've got to get more time on Batman 66 well done special thanks man yeah Oh Chris said he unfriended you because of the reference to the incorrect slab safe so you're done bill you just got Francie oh hell no you got to go out like that huh Chris you know nothing below further I'm sorry man we don't have our lists up yet on the side that says what everybody's names are on here so that makes it kind of different yeah every week it's like huh a whole new test of you know who is who lamotte's is here so Rob and Kim what we did is and this was Ferb the suggestion of Scott up in Stadium there are two tiny little LEDs that faced the wonkavision and there's a cable that goes underneath the play field you can tap into the connector to a board there so it's not it's not yours it's not your typical spot that you would normally see on a game it's like a two little tiny LEDs it kind of looked like the LEDs that are on the play field so maybe they're kind of the same thing yeah he's got a great game brütal here I think it is set up a little brutal but you know that ya play better that's it should have taken that out of that warm-up game no this thing does shoot well once you get what's gonna flow I mean it's great thanks for the thousand bits man appreciate it oh thank you for the best suited to that pinpin quest for the thaw for the one-year anniversary thank you again brother appreciate it today played it so pink West I think we are well I'll let you talk to Zach about that but I think there's something going on where you'll be implemented in some of these streams from what I heard so that's gonna be fun and exciting something a little different very cool offer a different perspective you know I haven't drank very much for that by the way I haven't drained out a little the left that winging it right out lane for sure yeah it's good it's uh I think if you're going to drain most likely it'll hit it'll be the outlanes the only time I notice straight down the middle is if you just don't miss a ramp it'll come back and sometimes we know when it comes out without left orbit depending on that you what's up black rap yo okay thanks thanks probably need more pins can you tell us a bit about this machine is this some loan or something where we look after the string all right so good question so this is how it's working out the flipping off pinball channel is sponsored and brought to you by Zach and Cole many who are distributors the owners of flipping on pinball a distributor so the way that this works myself and Bill Webb we host the pinball podcast out of Chicago called the special one litt pinball podcast Zach a Nicole gift the newest games here we stream them via our studio have some banter going on during the streams and then in a few weeks when the next game rolls out from another company for instance is Willy Wonka will be for sale and the newest game comes in so we're in a constant new PIN rotation after we play this game for an hour so tonight we'll go into an after-hours segment which you know we kind of talk about anything and tonight we've got Jack canary who is the founder of Jersey Jack pinball who will be joining us over our our phone line love you good so that'll be fun so if you guys have questions stick around because you're gonna want to have that opportunity to ask jack and we'll keep up with chat as best as we can next week the flipping out pinball stream will feature the pin quest challenge so that's that's good I will release more information about that let me get on my game here better get some pin time in during the week there bill not sure what time Jake is coming on I would imagine after 9 guessing shoot shooting from the hip I would say probably in about an hour okay or maybe in ten minutes 700 you can't leave thank you for following us Fox to these pinball he could be trying to land another deal I'll never know man loser kid thank you for that five hundred bits depreciation Thank You Josh yeah actually the last game that we were streaming for the last couple of weeks is right behind us I hope you guys can see it chat or not yeah you should be able to I can see it on the screen oh oh jack is in Jack here I'm always ready all right we can I give you a call earlier if it works out in his schedule absolutely so Jack why don't you let us know when you want to jump on and we'll get you going yeah we can do a little talking while playing dante's mark what's going on k Learman what's going on thank you for the follow you know what it still feels the way that it didn't we played it in April III don't know if it I would say it's more refine Kanna but what about you what's that does the game feel more refined since April I think it pretty much pleases behind yeah no I mean it's hard to say I mean we had a lot we haven't played the game in a couple months so feels out of sorts no no no no no today was asking what's the point well for gravity not to kick our ass Jax call with Warner Brothers will be over by 9 o'clock he says I like it now jack is at 9 o'clock Eastern Time er is at 9 o'clock Central Time and when will your call with Pixar starts because I would want to make sure we don't interrupt that either we have yep anybody else have a Wonka on order does anybody have a Wonka in their house in their possession I'd love to get some feedback initially because my initial impressions on the game were ridiculously high for me and I'm happy to have the game in a home environment where I can really kind of get into it deep dive into it and see if my initial excitement maintains right now it hasn't hasn't disappointed from a shooting standpoint so it'll be fun to see where the game involves and at 1.07 code it's an impressive amount of code that was ramped into the game yeah since we saw it a couple months ago to a season a lot of guys loser kid I had one on order you have one or you had one be more pen says there aren't any listed on are not too many listed on the pin map yet most were in the Northeast have any shift west of the Mississippi yeah I mean west coast is probably still on a truck dude or just go be there's no blacks rack says I'm receiving a Walker tomorrow it's awesome it's a good experience when the Walker shows up gets dropped off free shipping dude oh yeah you had a great picture when you had that like damn right this is my birthday a showed up I just turned 44 right so like when you get birthday gifts at 44 they are what they are but like when when afraid when FedEx comes by yeah and they're you know there's a box in there that contains a fun toy and when they did a pretty cool birthday so what it's not a bag of socks or something for your birthday yeah I get code install on jjp is very easy you go to their support page you go to the download page you download the code to your computer you drag and drop it over to your thumb drive you extract it and then you plug it into the Machine and you go into the menu and a hit update and it's it's boom it retains your high scores too which is you know some people look nitpick about them oh my gosh so Zack is here let's see cracker man 21 where the movie clips with speech he wants to know so there's been questions wondering if we will because there are movie clips here obviously and there are speech and call outs here obviously I think a lot of people are wondering if we will ever see them but the movie clips and the audio from the movie synced so that you're you're kind of watching the movie being played or an experience while you're going through the game so maybe we can talk to Jack about that a little bit later when we call them too and then Jack let us know if you want us to give you a buzz at 9 o'clock your time which would be 8 o'clock our time or 9 o'clock our time which would be 10 o'clock your time so let us know my bad so is your birthday on on this ones there was it the last ones de Dante's mark Albany pinhead thank you very much for the follow appreciate it okay so I hope so for your sake to man nothing like in a pinball machine around your birthday oh the creepy boat ride yeah yeah yeah so today with the warning light some multi balls we're learning the rules here as we go along maybe we can explain the skill shot too because there's a skill shot there's a super skill shot I think I hit that super skill shot on the last game and it's worth some pretty good points flip it on him boss says Thank You chicken bTW you know the hard part man is we haven't played a whole lot of pinball outside of doing the streams yeah and I'm so geared right now for Black Knight just like launching back in your face you know this is just a different experience it's a great you know this bait smooth alright jump on this cañedo 23 says having them separated is like eating a jelly sandwich and then eating a peanut butter sandwich wondering there has to be a better way now sometimes it's nice to separate the Oreo and eat the filling when you chew one and then chew the other they get blended in the mouth anyway so oh here you go alright we D and buddy thanks for the follow man absolutely appreciate it in Albany pinhead I'm not sure if we said thanks but thanks for the follow also and blacks RAC used a hundred bits man thanks for the bits we do appreciate it Zacky flipping outs been generous to allow us to actually keep the bits for ourselves for our streaming efforts so every little bit goes back into the streaming gear whether we capture cards cameras lighting that sort of thing so always fun and always appreciated thank you very much they full grant subscribe to one thanks for the sup man really appreciate the sub for those of you guys that sub to the channel Bill's got a little something planned where we're gonna be able to have like the Wall of Fame for subs where you'll constantly be recognized in in our extreme gratitude on the side of a whirlwind cabinet pitched matched that's into the whirlwind low-tier Steve says well we get more music from the people I seem to see lots of people asking for pure imagination candy man this is some of the songs like we already know Candyman is is held by another licensor and they refused to it's Mars they refuse to allow anybody to use that so Candy Man is was off the table there was not any amount of negotiating that seemed that would have landed that into the game itself these are all good questions and again we get jack on the phone you can ask him some of these questions and at Jack if he's here in chat and if he just feels comfortable typing some answers good for you we could do that too Candyman it's not that great of a song and as pinball says it's a cool song I just don't know how well it would let me get into a pinball machine but I mean who knows that comment is one of those that's just been outside of something I want to do a little bit don't want to go there crashing 20 has followed thanks man appreciate it yeah it's a that's a sticky question there Chris yeah yeah yeah I agree with you there Zach oh this is this is such an awesome game you know it's funny cuz Steve actually owns this sucker so I feel like telling him every time he shakes a machine don't break your machine man would it come back and bite you on route this would have cost me almost three bucks by now Zach and flipping our pinball says hey as long as Charlie's mother doesn't start seeing him I'm good Charlie can't cheer up with you singing that wretched sock that's the worst part of the movie I hadn't seen that movie and Charlie makes me depressed forgot how much singing in the movie and that's why Charlie's haulin ass he doesn't want to be around to hear of his mom calling and calling him out what about cheering him up it's horrible never really liked that song no with all the respect if the mothers in chance just know that's the mothers but the mother that sung the song [Music] low-tier Steve can we get the bad egg goose honk as the tilt noise interesting interesting yep Chris pincer what's up buddy you lose good day sir is the quote and as pinball cheer up Charlie cheer up you have to make a specific a specific shot to make it stop yeah that's that be motivating for me cheer up Charlie well Lumbergh jack says needs hear up Charlie to play when your game ends or when you drain a ball Joe [ __ ] says a lot of mothers in this shed absolutely that's right man Marlin the light played pirates today they're only two in Brazil hope they manufacture and send a few more here looking forward to play wanna come yeah what pirate is a great game dude watching that's love man that is on very much isn't it I like Pirates of Caribbean yeah so do I and that's you know that's one of those games where just kind of missed out like delis came and gone before we had a chance to realize what we missed yeah so that's kind of tough okay so the the six magnets if you look on the play field you'll see little tiny LED lights that kind of rotate into a circle there are magnets in each one of those there's a magnet that parks the ball on the left flipper whoa hey cheer up Charlie cheer up Steve it's alright man calm down it's all good shoot that captive all okay yes Josh straight down straight down the middle so we have magnet the magnet here I think there's one up the right side to it everyone up here I thought it was six seven six no you know what number Jacob I don't think it's changed a whole heck of a lot you know obviously it's just finding our groove back and do it in all honesty you know takes a couple couple games to really get familiar with that balls in the Pops a pretty damn long time and I'm just staring at it and then I forgot I was playing pinball and I just watched it go right in so birdie know schnoz baryon edition by the way Chris I did see that that's okay I'm back from that embarrassment Lumbergh Jack says are you guys getting a feel for major changes since the original streams I honestly did not watch a lot of the original streams and I'll tell you why it was because I knew one was coming here and I like to experience a pinball machine for the first time so I'm not even really up-to-date on what the rules and whatnot are this is kind of a break in learning night for us yeah except by the time we get in next week we'll have an idea of scoring and strategy like I said we didn't break in this new code really it's 1.07 so this is your what you most likely if you've watched these streams already know more about the game than we do and that's just simply because I don't know if I if I'm playing a game and I already know what to expect and I already know what the pin is gonna do after I progress through it and that is motivated to want to play and I'd like to explore and learn that stuff absolutely we already experienced it before we watched a single stream on it so I mean for us I don't know if it would have done us and he said any justice I mean we really liked it right out of the gate when you first play that I mean we were with that that opportunity yes yes Chris that was definitely a prick moment where I wanted to slam that machine around a little bit that's all right the that's why dave says that's why I only listen to streams that's fair point actually Pedro gano says was a fantastic New Robert Englunds this weekend got to meet the actors from Willy Wonka and play that awesome game great job Jersey Jack it was cool because they had actors from the movie there that played the kids the actor that played Charlie the actor that played Mike teavee the actor that played of Luke assaults were all there and actually Jersey Jack pin Bob generously donated the fantastic poster with their autographs Jack's autograph cat Lords autograph for us to give away on our one-year especially when I left my podcast show that we recorded yesterday so that was pretty awesome thanks as I tell people to collect all five golden tickets and then tell me about the code that's true I've collected one golden ticket a few occasions and I'm not really sure how I did it I think I got to by accident at Jersey good okay maybe I got three about an accident then oh well [ __ ] I've seen the whole damn good man I was surprised hey there you go gumball golden ticket found the ticket now Steve needs to collect four more of those golden tickets again it's a pier imagination which is the wizard mode looks so frustrated though maybe need to be over there bud yeah or two there's a head there's one alright so don't let the poppers distract you [Music] now the Gobstopper doesn't really affect the game it's just a cool feature how was it ticket collected you know I'm not sure I don't know that you know what I we asked for instruction on how it was collected and when nah we were at Jersey Jack playing and he said you have to figure it out yeah and we were still having mirror yeah point I'm figuring it out so [Music] lumberjack says where would you rank this among the five jersey jack pinball games I own a Wizard of Oz I'm insted to see how it stacks up against that I ain't all fairness I think we're also interested to see how it stacks up against that we have more time on all these other Jersey Jack pinball games other than Willy Wonka so I don't for me it's not a fair assessment to to rate where it where it where it might finish see I have an answer but it's based off a theme and theme alone so I wouldn't uh yeah it is definitely too early to say I you know I love the theme so to me it's it's definitely a keeper but you know gotta play it some more the one thing I can say about Jack pinball machines like regardless of the title I think every single one that I walked up to initially really impressed me with the exception and I'm embarrassed to say so was dialed in at Expo when I plunged a ball on it and I was like this game sucks I don't know what they're doing and then guess you bought an ally like four months later right that was this guy dial dinelli and again such a fun smooth shooting game so very very you cannot judge a book by it's cover you can't judge a game by playing one ball in my opinion so we'll see Zach says jjp games series of them a little so after today's episode it did make me wonder when did Stevie Dee join special when lit and what and what does he do so he's our guy our cooler guy whatever whatever he wants to be one he wanted to be at night my opinion Steve's our good buddy from our pinball Club yeah he broke into the scene with us at Expo where there was the bucket of chicken incident we can get into that a little bit later I think that bucket of chicken is more famous than like all of us combined after hours cañedo 23 wants to see wonkavision integrated more chris the pen turn on general genuinely curious as to how anyone could expect that question to be answered so early I guess in regards to rating these pins Marlon Delight hired some Caribbean Wizard of Oz dialed in can't tell until I play Wonka for a couple days feel the same about dialed in today says it does light up Lord helmet 10 I did that exact same thing with the Pirates of the Caribbean now I own a Pirates of Caribbean Sea II yeah I totally get it but some pinball jjp has never left people hanging I believe Jack will bring the magic this is a solid start cracker man 21 but do you still own a dial voice now and you know what one of my favorite pins recently Deadpool premium and guess what I don't know that right now either funds cause me to get rid of the games that I love in order to find something else that I have an experience and I'm still looking for that Grail pin that's gonna just be a hundred percent of everything I've ever looked for and I don't know that that is even yeah but if you ever hit a hundred percent you know if it chucks all the boxes what's the point of buying another pinball machine well that's if it would be and I'll be done yeah it's like thank you a fogger says Steve's everywhere Steve is everywhere and even have been hit everything also know where this is true and if the police dad and if the police ask no one's seen himself it works out great now did you smack that up a little bit huh okay Joe Steve definitely brings beverages everywhere he goes so I believe that Joe that is the meteor that's getting redeemed in the background right over his shoulder oh you have a meteor yeah no Raza [Music] Oh Kimmy's in Chad what's up Kim I know if we're actually gonna see it expose this year if I'm probably gonna well we'll see you probably gonna be out okay and that's what you know honestly Expo is probably only that's too bad but you know you gotta do what you got to do dude Expo is probably only like 110 days away [Music] Jpop isn't chat but according to Chris what's he under Chris 110 days derasa well we shall see yeah I don't know I have a hard time believe anything bullets you know they're in person in all honesty oh I'm serious yeah good call that's Tom you just added a fourth player can did I really you absolutely did oh yeah oh I couldn't do it I had to get underneath it was a surgical procedure and I added a fourth player so we're gonna drain player four suck my ball yeah yeah but you know what everyone can say it you know about pins Chris I mean you know there's always that dream theme that didn't get done or this feature that it didn't get added into something I mean it's all crazy cause what's going on I would imagine this will probably be a pin burg I mean it just came out some console well you know this game's gonna be everywhere from here on out oh yes you're not gonna be at a show that doesn't have a wonka unless there's not a distributor that services that area and I think at this point in pinball distributors have covered the continental United States at least right yeah no doubt so what's up cause he says look let's just get me on the air now and create the best dream ever Lisa's humble I got to give him that I don't do 4720 says at Canadian just started listening to your podcast keep up the great work lose your kid Josh root says hi hi Christa pin turn and flip it on her f flip and I pinball look it up st. Louis is now the murder captain of the nation captain capital whatever it takes the cab Constance getting ready to back for baby number three only a few days left hey congratulations man lots of babies coming out this year lots of babies babies and pinball machines the Year in 2019 Hill Webb's got a little baby coming cradle today Chris sets lap safe says can you set one of the cameras on the wonkavision for a little bit to see that seen could maybe yeah I'm gonna take a pass week the wonkavision is great cuz it gives you some information on what you're supposed to be shiaa as far as the two lanes up on the top and then you do have the the picture is being taken on the wonkavision so I you know what Chris let me address that for the next stream I touch something here the whole thing melts down and then we're resetting stuff and it's just you know how it goes then the feds show up we don't need that no no no I curse to Pinter and thinking about making that making attacks bode well dude let us know if you do man I won't be there but I might be hosting a party depending on when my wife gives birth Marlon the light says that he's in as he's in his player for if he finds the golden ticket he's only ten hours away on flight so that's good 10 hours away on a flight but what was it for though at least oh yeah excellent was great guys it's really fun and it's it's been rocking it out hey Romania careful they'll go all over connait is having a tournament at Expo he says with the winner to get a thousand dollars not else to come Zack a flipping out says everyone come to Expo and say hello to myself at the flipping out pinball booth along with some podcasters so Expo is our hometown pinball show so around hey Romania thanks for the subdued thank you very much for the subscription buddy thank you uh can we tilt player for oh yeah yeah we can try and tilt that out see what happens yeah but you know what I mean I think that's gasoline I'm sure there's still gonna be a ton that could say over this I mean they're still doing updates on a lot of the older games Chris depends who's asking today you'd see the stair lift from Zack I think Zack brings those to the shows he does bring his every had a little yeah the flight of stairs doing escolares actually really what the name is yeah uh yeah he brings those this pins up and down they're good to see good stuff so all right loser kid the one thing I we haven't really talked about Dave I like your sorry you don't let me do this in order yeah we go [Music] so expose in Wheeling Illinois and this is actually the thirty-fifth Expo so tilt that out you're good at that Wacha taenia mode and that is something that I would like to see a little more separation enough we had they want to hear the audio that's why it's being quiet right plus one of the legs fell a little less violence of that the back left legs am but that wonka taenia mode I would like to I would like to have a little more separation of the speech there's a lot of things that are going on at the same time and I think that's one of the moments of the movie where it's intense and I want to feel that intensity without the distractions so I mean if that makes any sense like that would be like which again something that can be corrected in code if they choose to do so yeah no problem we don't really really took down the that was a violent tilt buddy that was a violent tilt well that game always be money man yeah I've been putting quarters into play this [Music] and Romania says one container would be a good lock to end mode yeah it's funny it's just such a creepy part of the movie and I remember growing up you guys you got like a fresh chicken head getting put off you gonna a snake coming out of skull it's like an answer trip going on another another ticket Yeah right it's just a it's just a really weird moment of the movie so and again for those of you that might have just joined in the chat my name is Ken Cromwell to my left to bill Webb we are we co-host the special one Lipton ball podcast which is a weekly podcast out of Chicago Illinois our buddy Steve beans on the machine right now he tags along for our pinball adventures and great some for himself we are streaming all the newest games for Zach and a col many who are the owners of flipping out pinball distributor for United States the mall distributor so if you need a pinball machine newer use actually give give Zach anechoic all their numbers in the upper left part of the screen three people to deal with absolutely absolutely right people genre thank you so much for the one-year anniversary wishes we just had our one year anniversary so Zach in the coal they they like to ship us new games and we stream him for everybody Kerry Hardy thanks for the 13 bits buddy and did we say thanks to G fours online or o g4 Selene how do you pronounce that man I was calling a gas room yeah thank you it is gasoline with a fork bumper stumpers where you hang Terry for the 13 bits no I don't remember that no never heard yeah it is gasoline so I thank you I had one right for the first time [Music] yeah you are on the it's not missing but it doesn't have it Dave yeah no wonkavator um I don't think that's a big deal though no I mean I mean it adds but I don't think I don't know if it's so a deal-breaker so I there's a lanka Vader multiball right yeah in the newest code that still carries over like the LMA in the sea yeah that was a piece of audio yeah digital it was synced with the movie assets when he yes he wants an everlasting God stop Gobstopper like all the kids said me me you know what Chris I don't know man that mafia pinball machine was quite awesome ken what did you think of it what's that mafia spin mafia T mafia of pinball machine said to one Roger Sharpe was on and we couldn't play yeah and then we asked him his opinions and they were kind of interesting I didn't I didn't get a chance to really uh well there's one six out there and oh lamotte's FL filming for that space yeah looking forward to seeing that guys yeah absolutely you know what we're just still trying to find our find our bearings on it we haven't had a lot of time on it I know when we got to like the third week of playing Black Knight we started real you know yeah I think every every game looks a little brutal we're playing alright but Kim are you excited about having this game coming oh nice you know I don't mind saying I am sorry I'm waiting for Kim I'm definitely not the best player in the world no do we know we're better it's that's what's great about these streams we're not the best players in the world so we're and we're learning that's where we're going to see something most likely that's gonna ruin the experience for you know case in point I just kind of want to tilt this out oh yeah so your extra balls take place after everybody's gone think of it okay so now player three so now you're getting Rekha's player four jumped in late right and they're catching up maybe no so the extra balls of this game take place after the entire games done okay okay then that makes sense you're not waiting around for your turn why don't you explain that again Steve so when you get the extra balls in this game you don't take it right after you drain your ball you wait until everybody takes their three or you know player one head four or one extra ball then you'd go after them so it saves that till the end of the game so I think it's pretty pretty neat oh okay you did get it yeah there's a yeah Kim I think this is a great game so I afford the five kids collected at this point all right we don't need no podcast drama up in here come on guys is a good stream number lovin here all right we got some battle and going on or why are we getting caught up where where did we leave off here ah so I was catching up with Kim and then we were reading a little cañedo of Zack kind of those are kids I feel short-changed I paid in the bits to see the wizard boats gentlemen take what were fun the bits to you Josh refunds coming we purposely won't hit the wizard modes now there's little banter going back and forth between Zack can a 223 just making sure Zack ain't a liver or kidney as I think of my microfiche quote is Pearman 13 says I already have some mods up for it pin Stadium yes they can be added to any time I develop improvements whenever possible to work with your existing pin stadiums Doozer kid says who shots fired pin quests offering some sponsorship some side sponsorship there's side deals going on it's like some Jerry Maguire flipping on pinball says I'll bill we're just having some fun pins roll look at you bunch of 1 year olds with your toy hey got a match with Mike with your face nice now Steve BT could pull that off bill but I don't know you're not fooling anybody with loser kid says I hear you I hear you bill but all that is running through my head is children now children it'll be like the epic scene in anchorman okay so yeah getting close to getting Jack on the phone here yeah did he did he ever come back and say that I oh yes a 90s 309 Easter yeah let's go to uh let's let's pay some bills here on the flipping out streaming network so we're at halftime right now on the flipping out streaming network if we are going to get Jack canary on the phone here in a second and we'll see how that goes how's that shirt holding up oh is this is this Rob or Kim here yeah I'm wearing my learn mods comp shirt tonight promise of orders that's Kim oh hi Kim I hope to see you guys at at Expo what was allowed was the commercial loud cuz commercials are always supposed to be louder I demand satisfaction I want it now we do not have authority to kick Zak out of his own stream so that is uh that is not something that's going to happen Kim it's I'm glad that you're here in chat we're gonna wait for bill to come back downstairs and we'll get jack on so what questions we want to ask Jack tonight I think I want to give him the floor to kind of talk about this game shipping and then you know I'm not gonna keep the guy on all night but I think if there are some respectful questions here happy to go ahead and and ask him so what we'll do is we'll try to get as many questions as we can in but if the stream is going quicker than we can keep up with Jack then you know that's gonna be our fault but we'll see how it goes yeah the phone's here guys get this special win or not special nights it is the spent actually this is the special Inlet pinball podcast line that we use for the flipping out pinball after-hours and we are going to set up to make a call to uh to Jack so give him another minute one or more pirates being made that's that's Chris hey first question wants to know we got Jack talking about waka Chris wants to know what more pirates are coming off the line the more pins Jack question how and when did they come up with the Wonka idea actually if you go to the making of Willy Wonka on the special wing like pinball podcast all those questions are actually answered and it says the history of the game and it's Pat Lawler Joe Katz victus Deo who did the sound and Zhang Yao see who did the artwork so that's archives good especially when lip pinball podcasts on Facebook or special winglet pinball podcast comm click on making a willy wonka all those answers are there marlon the lights podcast war might be interesting yeah podcast wars are never interesting take it from somebody who knows ping quest pinball I want Jack to set your target for your quests next week absolutely Ben will absolutely ask him Oh baby's gonna be canaan 23 is commenting on the attract mode light show it is awesome and Lord helmet agrees so all right let's get Jack it is beautiful rocking the bamboo Fanta is the official official sponsor of build today I got some ninja versus unicorn and the dialysis centers that you'll soon be visiting we are getting Jack on the line thanks God he probably ditched us it's like these guys suck hey who's this is this is this the famous Jack Attack of Jersey Jackman ball what's up jack I'm doing great yeah yeah we thanks for the congratulatory comment on the year that was pretty loud but doctor I did want to say thanks for getting these walkers out in a timely fashion that was a surprise to everybody yeah big surprise well I know tonight is gonna be a lot of questions and this show probably runs five six seven hours and I might know that one through that's okay I'll try not to give my typical professorial answer so excuse me for being short if it's a one word or one or two sentences there's many questions possible yeah you know getting games out that's what we're doing so shouldn't be a surprise typically you go buy something in the store and you pick it up and you walk away with it so we got to get to be more like that so you ditched the cartwheel for a pitching wedge talk us a little bit about that decision well Monday was my son's birthday and we were going golfing last Monday so no no no I was out front playing with a golf club that I hadn't picked up in a while and Jen came out basically said what are you doing you know games believe him and I said great wonderful games Elise was a little high and very very wet to do a clock wheel not an excuse but you know I've had a lot of requests to stop doing the cartwheel you know if you can't do it the right way but I always thought it was kind of fun then I didn't do it the right way and my younger day I could do it the right way I used to be someone of a very good diver swimmer and all that stuff and doing flips and backflips enhancements and I don't live but you know I will leave that's a different show that's okay all right safety first I wanted to know if you feel comfortable just kind of getting everybody up to speed in regards to we had a couple questions in chat tonight why one song wasn't used or another song wasn't used I know the Candyman song I think you had stated before that song is owned by Mars corporation and that's kind of their thing they don't they don't license that out to anybody is that Willy Wonka was a theme license that I was at since 2011 and we're brothers they didn't have the rights to all the actors themselves to collect all the permissions and pay everybody I guess and get everybody rounded up that they could get rounded up and you know in that time frame unfortunately gene one would passed away every every licensee you know is why do you get a license because you know you get those beautiful images intellectual property and likenesses that are in the license but with licenses really I'll go with approvals and different approvals from different actors and different people in these different movies and it's no different with title like Willy Wonka again to me is really spectacular and everybody actually play it especially this weekend at fantastic the designers typically on these projects ask for certain things and my job is to try to take the mountain and flatten it out and get them to certain things that they want so they can make the game they want to make and we did that we did that you know there is speech and video synchronized with the game there is a lot of singing we use physical there's a lot of content in the game hours and hours with the content you know i-i-i love the streaming I'm gonna post like I love the students I'm gonna say this I have people that are customers that can't watch the streams because they want to discover the game for themselves that's why we're the ideal streamers because we're not good we're not good players man there's a lot of mystery left after each one of our stream we're the best streamers in the business anything it's just that we show the game turns on and there's some lights on it so Clippers work it's good to go well and I want to you know for those that are just jumping into chat we are live on the line with Jersey jack pinball founder Jack canary he joins us on the flipping out in ball streaming network now Jack you had just mentioned that there are assets in this pin there are sound clips and there are movie clips and there's some synchronization in regards to the evolution of the sound in the video do you have any idea is there still a conscious effort to evolve the code to incorporate that in a different way or are we pretty much set as far as like a baseline here with what we're seeing right now you know the game is I'm not gonna I'm not going to give you a course on the different symbol unions and it's about some background tasks I'm gonna say the game is done I again the game is complete and the game is amazing the way it have have we seen in the past now people - or you know and and make better who they respond to the community today we do they respond to constructive criticism do they take it to heart are they passionate about what they do I could tell you that everybody in the company every single person on the company really cares about everything we do some things are just not possible to do because it's not enough time you know in a millennium to do them you have to put resources on the next thing the next thing you know I guess let's talk of a friend of us day and he's got a company that designs things almost like a lotion so we design this machine it's perfect that's great we supported we build it forever you don't do that you keep every gear so you keep changing what you're doing 80% of it and doing it all over them so you know we're trying to make these games be amazing we're trying to make them appeal to a wide if you have people not just you know I'm not going to say the one team has been said by other Kimble manufacturers because I respect every single person that drops clean in our games or buys them in multiples for multiple homes we just want to make something that's a lot of fun represents the theme and license really well and evolves the valves pinball and and stays true to our space to our brand and I'm really really excited and proud about this game great game viewer Foo Fighter says man I have to get one thank you flipping out and Thank You JJ P so lots of kudos coming in the chat for the game that that you guys have put out I don't know are you able to speak freely or not I suppose on in regards to like the licensing of the game what did you find it to be a difficult license to kind of work within or did you kind of feel that you had carte blanche or you know the run of the park so to speak we had we had a lot a lot of assets we had we had I think in my mom get more than assets the need to make a really great gain but we used we used a lot of stuff we really did there you know when you have something that's yesterday was the fourth anniversary of the release of the movie yeah that's just about into perspective you know you're dealing with a lot of things in the movie a lot of the people unfortunately they're gone we were fortunate to have three of the Lockett kids and then I kids anymore fantastic yeah okay and they were they did a QA and doing reminiscing about different people that had gone and I was told so some of the things you work on we saw what happened with Hobbit when we were working on a property when it was in process what happened to us we didn't get the assets from the third movie released the game that had assets those couple of movies everybody looked at the game and everybody said oh my gosh that could be a lot better if you have this bat the other eye you know I just backed up and it took us another year almost two we redesign the entire can and the game people say what sound and if there's too much music in if there's too much video right alright so you know was like a sensory overload about me and say no you're not going to make everybody happy you know I'm not going to say something like that but you know the truth is everybody likes something different and we have a wide range of appeal to our games literally millions of people get exposed to our games all over the world and it's really amazing we really appreciate it in regards to the game as it stands now were there any tweaks that you made physically on the play field from the production models that it hit the pinball shows before these standard editions went on the line yeah you know Pat is a perfectionist I'm Pat Lawler the designers shot you shot this game I mean I don't even to say his name he's better than Madonna or you know Gaga just say cat just the guy's a genius he's brilliant he's a great guy he's a great person he loves pinball what he does he you know was had to make a pinball machine you know that's an understatement I unboxed world when I unboxed uh let me think yeah whirlwind but I unboxed Finance years ago and it was like bringing a friend into a street location in Brooklyn yeah people lost their minds when they saw Rudy and the clock and the game go talk and all the speech and the ball going the movies now and everything like that what the heck but I won't have this guy working for company as my name yeah designing pinball machines and took 2019 really yep so how lucky all we are it's an amazing it's a it's a Golden Age of pinball right now it's a lot of highs and a lot of games a lot of people coming into it you know on the location side the blockade side the you know the hobby side everybody loves pinball you see it everywhere with your games not that they weren't coming out frequently but there seems like now you're kind of ramping up production in which you can offer more titles within a certain amount of time than you have before so with that being said we've seen code evolve on every Jersey Jack pinball game that's been released to the point where it's almost mind-boggling the amount of code that's being updated do you think it's feasible to keep the same level of support updating the current titles with now the release schedule that looks like is is coming in the frequency of new games that are coming out yeah okay short answer is yes a selfish question for myself and Bill because I emailed Pat Lawler this and he was not able to get back to me must have been busy do you what what's on hats iPod do you know what's what's he listening to what are his musical likes I think he listens Lady Gaga I think we had that yes our dishonoureth also thought about that in the shallow I think it's wrong chef so what's your favorite part of this game jack it is it the artwork is it the playfield design is that the audio is it the ruleset what is the main thing with Wonka that appeals to you personally as a player as a distributor yes where as a manufacturer yes it takes a lot of boxes for me pretty much checks all the boxes for me I know that's like kind of a cop-out kind of answer but you know if there was something about the game that I didn't I was in development you know I put my hands up I make my my ideas and my comments known that you know like many people that create you know he likes what he does but he accepts constructive criticism from the right people and you know I gotta tell you I watch people play it i watch people walk up to it there were a lot of people at fantastic that came to meet Bellanca kids that weren't pinball people and you know what's the funny thing they they were in the room and they don't know which game was made when it wasn't obvious to them that woman Wonka was a brand-new game it wasn't obvious to them that some of the other games that were new were which one was new world which one was it newer and I talked to some of those people and yeah they Walker people but they loved the game and and you know all the actors as well they the only one that was really into pinball was Mike teevee Paris diamond yeah but I have really that Julie dawn Cole yeah and Peter Ostrom there they're all into pinball I mean they were asking Eric and bloats and myself for tips I shoot things and what are they shooting for and they wanted to learn the rules it was really really cool so you know I think my favorite thing about that game is going to be the theme I really think the license is my favorite thing overall because that's what's going to draw more people to pinball that's what you know it's going to be sitting in a distributors showroom people aren't going to read every single review and every single criticism they're not going to know if video is synchronized but I'm gonna know if Candyman is at the game why not you know what they're gonna know they're gonna say holy cow look at that game it's beautiful it's Willy Wonka I watched that movie I want my kids to have that game I want my grandkids to have that game I want to bring that home right now and that's what we want that's exactly what we want that's what we got you know Jake I gotta jump in here was kind of a personal story you know I mean I think that the games you guys have done are you know I mean it's just bringing these licenses and themes to life personal story Friday night I actually hosted a couple of co-workers about eight of them at my house for pinball and these guys haven't been around pinball machines and God knows how long and it's funny because three of them really really loved Wizard of Oz and one of them is actually serious about pulling the trigger on buying one because he loved the theme he loved how everything was integrated just the overall experience he had on it was just enough to pull him in and this wasn't a pinball person which just blew my mind and in the case of Wonka you know I I get that same feeling that I did with Wizard of Oz when I saw it for the first time and the fact that somebody that wasn't even in pinball Monday morning is you know asking me questions about you know looking to find one and everything else you guys just bring these themes to life in my eyes so thank you very much for that love this game and just great stuff yeah I mean the themes that I have picked along with you know the design teams there are things that other people may have just turned their nose up about was it a lot certainly was out there and available from many other people to do in the amusement game realm and in basically 72 years nobody in the amusement industry made a Wizard of Oz anything until I came along and I made the pusher and I made the pinball machine and then all the people made online games and other people discover this for other games so we we showed the value to certain other licenses showed the way we we blazed that trail and I'm happy that we did it it was difficult whether it was a lot of fun and the result is you know the tree is bearing fruit now so I is Wizard of Oz still your baby I mean that was your first pen I think I've heard you say that's your favorite license is does that still stand true to you right now or is Wonka coming in at a close second or where these games rank for you personally you know I think I think I would always say that was it was my favorite game because it was the first one you know there was so much time and effort and energy spent on it we just kept calling I didn't say no even with everything we showed everybody every week you know he had people like Gabe asking us every week for an update every Friday we took people's money so we had to show what we were doing but then at the very very end that I Apple in 2012 we showed that there was a little mini mini screen in the crystal ball that only the player could see and we actually won a brass record something folks you never wanted Aiyappa so beckanne has been in museums it's kind of a work of on it it's won all kinds of awards we still you know we just recently built yellow brick road games so it's it's a great game you know I like all of them I don't think one is better than another to me you don't try to make one better than another we make them different than each other I see a lot of people have collections now with all five games and it really looked great you know they they complement each other and it's I always hear at the shows and when people come to pick up games you know these are the games my family plays that my wife need me buy this game thank you and my wife made me buy that I don't hear that ever so right here where's that guy's wife yeah no kidding gotta get get her friend list there double-dog says hey Jack great game I have a collector edition on order and he's looking forward to playing it we had another question that came in which I thought was pretty interesting it's it's from viewer need more pins and he says Jack is there anything that you can tell us about the wonka game that hasn't been told yet there are a lot of like Easter eggs that are in pinball machines or funny hidden stories or is there anything that you can share that maybe the public isn't aware of something fun something disastrous something drama-filled hidden whatever you got you got anything I'll have to think about that one okay because I I don't like to give away spoilers but I like to tease a little bit so I'll think about that one and see if we come back Jack is there anything Jack wants to tell us about the Wonka team that hasn't been told yet so that was that Wow I was gonna say yeah that's almost verbatim yeah but I'm not even thinking you're probably looking at the same screen here Wow where do we see the rest of the year going as far as the Wonka games I imagine Ellie's will be coming up here and in the next month or two and then you on to the collector editions correct here to here Freddie nice we gasped already 200 games built already we're into Ellie's were building some European games some international games because there are some standards for international orders and they need some Ellie's for international water so you gotta fill out the container some I would think people would see Ellie games this month you know regular that's great regular wonderful customers that thought Ellie Games see games after that and you know I get that some of us see customers bought se games some of us see he Carson was boy le games Reimer believe it or not some of them wanted to play the game we'll put it somewhere else so they figure they could buy it sell it we're gonna think about how we build what we build win because it's hard to build everything at once but you know we're still experimenting with some things we're still you know only an 8 year old company some companies that are 100 years old was still open to learning different things so we'll see what the market is I know that everybody wants to call you when they want and I'm one of those people too so we'll try to figure that out as we go down the road can you comment anything about future title release schedule is it possible that we might see another release before the end of the year or is that something that has yet to be decided like to hear I don't know if you know about this jack but there's this little thing called Chicagoland pinball Expo that takes place in October of every single year so you've always been really really nice about revealing some games there so yeah you know we'll bring it where it is and if there's nothing going on we'll create an event but you know I'm not I'm not thinking about trying to get something to a show years ago we used to make these Frank and sunny games and get them to shows and you know great games if you want to win the trophy at a science project they weren't games that could go into production or production parts and production drawings and then things took longer than they should have to get it into production you know we're not practicing anymore that way that's too too hard on all our distributors too hard on all our customers it also gives our competitors an unfair advantage where they get to sell whatever they games are while our people are waiting and then our people that ordered our games sell the things they were gratifying and it's just a lot of turnover so let's try to release something closer to when we're ready to to deliver it you know and and I think that would work a little bit better for everybody makes sense yeah I mean we're the shows are nice it a necessity for you on a release I totally get it and just to get everybody up to speed jersey jack pinball founder Jack canary joins us here on the flipping out streaming network and just broke a little bit of news I think saying that you know the Willy Wonka Ellie's are currently on the line at Jersey Jack pinball in that we will see another release before the end of the year another another title an international stuff is uh great to go out yeah yeah is it hard to coordinate the International shipping Jack so that they're getting those games around the same time that they're being released in the United States well you know when we did pirates we consciously loaded containers that went the furthest away first and a lot of companies that release different products do that so that they work the furthest away first and the closest kind of last so that more or less in the same timeframe give or take a week or two everybody would have the product in their hands I think sometimes with Timbaland that works better time of year is important you know you know I had dinner with somebody the other night that's in the industry and a different company and they were telling me that June is a slow month for their industry because Europe is kind of on vacation and a lot of people are away and things like that you're always on the air that time to be here for some industries I guess those things are true with pinball there's never a bad time to play an amazingly great pinball machine okay so how again so when we have them we saw all year round so holiday time so July 1st so that's what we that's really key our company on it we sell all year and we ship all here so you know the outside foreign customers they kind of tell us when they want something and you know Jan is involved with production and she's involved with coordinating product to customers individually and distributors and I think she does a heck of a job doing all that cord and all that stuff so we make everybody happy well it's like what Jack are you gonna see yourself in Chicago here within the next two three weeks do you think are you gonna be in town for anything maybe a jjp in Bensenville I don't know you know I'm sure there's gonna be some events I'm gonna be an ace ace Gogi out with Shane want oh I know July 20th I know this other launch party who's setting up LAN the country and around the world so you know wouldn't surprise me if I'm on a plane in the next couple few weeks to Chicago well hey hey favorite place you guys all right my name's not jack in Chicago what is it yeah Jack Jack hey listen I want to invite you here to the studios in stream Sam Wonka and sit down have a couple drinks and get on the mics and have some fun with us man well we'd love to have you here so you gotta consider it if you're in well you know that's okay hey we have multiple beverages here we got bills drinking Fanta so I'm sure we can find something for you that'll that'll suit you but hey man I appreciate you taking the time out unless you have anything that you wanted to willingly offer we'll let you get on with your night I know it's getting a little later over there you're a busy guy and we appreciate that you took the time to come on and talk a little Willie walking with us today yes thank you I'm trying to be late host here you know people are just amazing I love them you know I understand I get it dr. John over there yeah so yeah he's uh he's a correspondent for us especially back in pimple cells are conveyed equal at a bottle report from Australia I didn't have any but we shared it with John great which at a Texas pinball Festival and we didn't see John or the bottle and a few hours later John was sleeping on their team that makes sense I got a question for somebody in chat we have the gun it is uh congratulating me for letting you go without asking you anything of substance and he's telling me that I did a great job so what I would like to do is ask the gun it to ask a question in chat because Jax right here and he can read it and then that way you feel like you've got your money's worth today on the chat so buddy if you get a chance go ahead and type that question in Jack and if you find it appropriate right go ahead and give him an answer I don't want to let him down that's not what we're all about so I didn't think I lofted any softballs at you Jack I mean the game just came out we asked some questions about assets we asked what about when it happens everybody just has to remember you know I was into this right remember I really am humbled by this whole thing I really respect everyone's opinion because I believe it well not you know whether it's my opinion or not your opinions will matter your the people who put the money in the games and the other people apply the games so certainly we want you to be happy with the products we make I mean we try to make honestly we try to make the most spectacular product that we could possibly make and and we leave it all out on the field you would just leave it a little out there and and we do that and and we have people that stay up at night they stay up in the morning they stay up almost 24 hours a day aside from me doing a lot of stuff it's not it's not all me there's a lot of people in the company that that give them all and really care about this whole thing so they they take it to heart they read a lot of comments they read a lot of message boards they listen to a lot of podcasts they go to a lot of shows a lot of them play in tournaments they know you you're friends with them you know we're living it we're eating it with breathing it will not outside doing it I'm not only doing this in this industry 44 years I mean you just turn to 44 years old god bless you you know um I don't know how I could be doing at 44 years I'm 45 years old when I was born you were but history all right yeah you were a distributor for stern pinball correct like that one day you know I was I was an operator I started fixing electromechanical pinball machines and I started a thing called Timbo SOUTHCOM in the end of 1999 yeah - so pinball machines you know mostly of what I imported from Europe to the home market bill you know nobody believed that anybody at home wanted a pinball machine we all know that's those boys and everything right yeah we were stars biggest distributor for many years until 2010 so you know we care about this we want to make it we want to get you I want to get you what you want I really want you to have the game that you want however we can do it maybe sometimes we over deliver on the promise maybe there's an occasion where you know you feel the over-promised and under-delivered you know it's beauty is in the eye of the beholder and really there's a lot of blood and sweat and tears that really go into these games to make you guys and girls especially yeah love what we do is there an effort at all from a company basis to grow pinball to the to the women of pinball or is it just kind of that was me with the first game was what was it of us I mean you know Jen my daughter got uh you know one of others had sent us a bunch of stuff that they get as a license or from licensees and Jen had this pair of salt and pepper shakers that were ruby red slippers on her desk and one day she she brought him over and put them on my desk and made them work like flippers and she says dad check this out and that's why the ruby slippers are on that game oh that's nice seen that game that game was done will so that you can have all these male testosterone kind like whether it's khalili sticking out of every different direction it wasn't if that's your thing wrong with it but today it's not really appropriate the artwork on a lot of those games but all of us analysts and boys loved when we were 14 years old you do that today it's a different world today women you know need to be respected and not objectified and I think the games we do their family friendly games and there's a way to do them if you have women on the game to do them to do to do the depictions of women on games in a tasteful way and you know when we when we get a game theme if we ever do that has that type of subject matter that's how we'll treat that so I think we need to be respectful of everybody right I guess the gun yeah I mean I I love the things are some women are podcasts I know there were some some people the bells and chimes girls you know they do amazing things there's a lot of charity yet work that a lot of the support of the symbol people do and you know they're they're equals with us I mean they're great players they're really great part of this whole thing and and guess what guys you know you hardly saw girls at pinball events ever you know if you saw one girl years ago it was like well everybody's looking at one girl at an event look because these young people whose wives as girlfriends as moms and grandmom's that's gracious a lot of families having a lot of fun great now jaegun it did post the question did you see it come across a stream or no I think his question was do you consider the gun it we missed it we asked him to follow up and I believe he was asking if the game was complete at 1.07 or something to that effect right or there or will there be future updates I think he put in there which I thought we covered like right off the bat so if I didn't ask that correctly my apologies go ahead you know what's going on with my pants but like 14 people texting me and there's people from Australia trying to call me right now yeah yeah nice yeah we can't grow up here so yeah go ahead give me the question well no I think his question and I was just asking because I missed it was just to the effect was do you think the game is complete at 1.07 or can we expect updates or the game - do you think let me ask you a question it's like somebody asked me two weeks ago games are on the line somebody asked me if games are on the line and I said game to ship and early summer all the games on the line well it's summer in three days so what do you think I mean do you think there'll be a 1:08 do you think they'll be one online or one time you know anybody not think that I don't know that they're going to be major code updates or major things to make the game fly around with the boulder and helicopter blades well so his exam is that his exact question is and I just in all fairness I asked him to repost it quote would you consider the game as it stands now complete with tweaks and polishes to come should I buy hoping for more than I see today at 1.07 and I think you just answered that yeah look you know Joe Katz and people in the office in Chicago they're very visible the very vocal you know and they and they really speak their mind and their hearts and they want the greatest games to be there you know I tell you so you brought up Stern and he brought up pinball sales I brought it up he brought that up back in the day Stern had a game called spider-man you remember that game Yahoo right and it was coated by a really great guy Lyman F. Sheats Jr. and we sold a ton of spider-man games but you know there was no pin side so on our GP people were starting to get spider-man games and they were upset about the code and there was no more code coming out of that company to finish that game okay Liman the person he is took it to heart okay and I think I sold wine and a spider-man game for twenty two hundred bucks and Lyman took that game home and he made that game an amazing game okay that's what people do when they love something that's what they do yeah yeah we're fortunate to have people like that in our company you know that's a true story a lot of people in the industry know that story you know I probably could go to the archives of pinball sales calm and pull out Lyman's file and find the check the date and everything and the invoice so you know these people they care about what they're doing sometimes apparently in that case they care more than other people care they want to see the best and the greatest and but you got to remember also you know there is 24 hours in a day and there are a lot of things pulling at people's lives they have children and they have obligations and they have oil which is not their work it's a passion so I don't know you know I said I wasn't going to give all the answers I don't know I guess you can't you can't believe that sometimes but I hope I hope you know that answer was important I hope that answer answer this course should I I think I think it did yeah yeah I think now I mean with especially the home user now having a machine in their in their house obviously you never want to feel as if your game is going to be limited and you've seen everything so I think it's natural to always hope for updates and evolution of a game to kind of keep it fresh and interesting and as we've all kind of now really micro and like just dissect every little aspect of a machine to the placement of a target to the letter h in a logo it's to be taxing for the manufacturers because just like you said you obviously can't keep everybody happy look you know we look at all that stuff we look at all of it being a lot of it is using it's never upsetting to the point where you know it's it's frustrating take those comments and you turn them into positive energy I said it many times they're my blood type is b-positive we have some amazing people in the company and one of the one of the people at the company was dope on this rock was Keith P. Johnson yeah you know when I when I sold those phone games why the hell do you think I sold all those water rings and all the Simpsons because Keith made it a great game yeah Keith Keith did that Keith Keith can carry a whole company on his back I mean the guy is just amazing you know we we have people that were building like Eric you know maybe Pirates was a little too much on the first effort but you know what he did what he wanted to - he didn't have interference doing it he did it some things could have been better some things could have been worse but you know it's damn good game I love that game and I wanted to do pirates because why because I sold hundreds and hundreds of them when I sold the game for stunk yeah right when when June 14th 2006 came along and I was at the factory and took a picture with Denis Norden and and put it on the front of pinball sales back on website with no social media I sold the Hunger Games in one day you know I had I had women calling looking for the game than that Johnny Depp line I knew which I knew he could blow that title in the water and I did the whole team did so so what happens we don't do it we don't do something halfway nobody nobody goes into a conference room in the company and comes across the table saying get this thing out the door you know the assembly has nothing to do or not we don't really care just push it out the door and one of the times the words unspoken in the company that's like an but what we do you got to think back to hobbit again what the heck do we do with a hobbit really always it of eyes which is pretty awesome so it's it's still getting so there you go guys did you have something yeah now to see Jack when we went into uh Jersey Jake and Bensenville you know talk with these guys some of them are showing but like four o'clock in the morning to start this stuff because it's easier to get stuff done early in the morning and then be able to talk with you guys kind of like six seven o'clock you know eight o'clock nine o'clock your time I mean that's how dedicated these guys are and yeah look I'm just the luckiest guy in a world because look what I get to do I mean I love it I love it I get to talk to people pretty much almost 24 hours a day about pinball you know if I'm waking up at 3:00 morning going somewhere looks and I'm going on a trip I could pick up a phone I could call my distributor okay I could call somebody in Australia I could I could call a whole host of people and friends and supporters and lovers of the game people that they care about what we do care about us is people and you know the community is such a great community you know there might be some divisions people like this so people don't like that as a group of people I mean pinball people it's just amazing amazing wonderful people I mean they really are I mean I haven't met anybody in all of these years even though harshest critics of mine from years ago I don't have any enemies I don't feel that anyone is an enemy and I don't feel that way I feel very fortunate I feel really blessed I think we helped propel pinball a little bit and get it to where it is I don't take credit for that because all the people they care about it and buy it and play it they're all responsible for it so uh it's just it's just really a lot of fun it's really great to make these games for everybody in the passion everybody has it's just you got to worry when people don't care when they don't right things don't criticize things that's what you have to worry could you make something so perfect that everybody is happy I'd like to try you know what would make me pretty happy jack is if one day I wake up and there's a post coming out of Jersey Jack pinball that says hey Pirates of the Caribbean LEDs are back on the line what would be the odds of a pirates rerun or in your opinion is that game just gonna be in the time capsule of 2018 2019 what's the next letter after the letter Q R I thought it was as Eric Meunier would so you know there's pirates loved ya if we did pirates that won't happen this year thankful if we do pirates I don't know if we'll do pirates because there's a company we didn't sit down and talk about doing no it's like you know it's just it's not like the old days when I just had someone elbows I got out of the shower and I had it 12 things The Wizard of Oz you know and I said to everybody this is what we do know try we're trying to actually plan a little bit ahead now get things together and do things so personally I would love to build more PI entities okay no I will tell you that personally it's one of my favorite games I know there's a market for it I know you know people want the game it's nice to leave people wanting some wall and I think I so bad back in January with Morton and Jonathan when I did the podcast from London yeah in January I told everybody in January so the game sold out people like forget it you still building games the factory is sold out so we are quads 4,000 games dope thousand games right applause nobody entered it short the license didn't expire not that we had stuff was it stuff is relevant all right you know we just were just kind of over so into so many other things that time got a little bit away from us and we really didn't say you know hey you call me sugar in the plants remember 500 games I mean that's the truth you know yeah people our nose might be mad at me for saying that but you know it's true you can't you can't focus on everything laser beam goes through steel because it's got focus and you don't focus and you can't do everything at one time some things flip away so we'll see if we build it again you know you people will be the first the second or four penis to know you know hey as long as we're in the top American chocolate know that works it's just it was frustrating for me because by the time I realized that I wanted a pirate's Ellie my chance had already kind of passed me by and and that was me being asleep at the wheel so that's why I mean there's so much love for the game and I think early on when people were trying to be critical of things that they thought the game should have had people that were behind it from the start were busy buying these things up and there were a lot of people that were left behind so it's good to hear that it's a possibility his container wives like a week ago while his companion was on the water and he had most of them sold anyway you know he didn't sell them for a lot more money he didn't he didn't go and say oh my gosh well at the same retail price you know in Australia see everything is more between the Translate and the taxes and the dollars seventy one seems to be dr. John you know you can play a car for what you know only ballgames goes down even though the company's games cost down there and and that's why honestly we actually load the prices of all games by a thousand dollars you know the prices stand game $8,000 go challenge another pinball community venture to lower the price of their game by $1,000 and by that I mean a brand new production game not something that the sitting around with 200 of that they can't get rid of you know when they lower the price by a thousand so we want to see Willy Wonka I'm so question somebody asked me if it's a location game they're considered four locations yep cat Lola and I and some other people in the company you know we're really old time fingers you know sometimes it's good to think that way you know we want more games on location so the park aids you know the bowling centers all of these at pcs places like you know that wouldn't normally get a game Willy Wonka as a door opener people see well he wasn't there they seem to think oh my goodness I have to buy this game unless they can go up by $1,000 and they buy the game I mean we're you know we built 150 standard games I can tell you that we sold more than double that amount of standard games right now and there's more orders coming in every day for standard games okay so it's a great thing to do and it's a great thing to have is it safe to assume that the price model of the that discounted standard edition is something that we'll see then again on the next release that we might see later in the air I don't know it's possible it's a really good question it's possible we talked about some of that but you know we're you know all the games that are in development going materials cause things aren't development and you know they they move sometimes by the day if you funds a day like the stock market but it would be good I'd like to see more of all beings on location no too many years I say it doesn't matter what the game cause that matters what it can fix you know typically all games on location make more than a lot of other games and they have enjoy a lot higher resale value so yeah you know it might cost a little bit more I guess operator like Alan siak or other guys like that you got the guys at sunshine laundromat yeah you got guys at Stan's a bar you got all these guys around the country temple museum so many more you know people everywhere Barcade you know there are many locations you know they need to operate the games that their customers are asking them for and that customers are asking for Jersey Jack games you can't make believe anymore we're not a real company we're not going to be around while games don't work we're gonna get delivered you know eight years I can tell you what will be here another eight years will be no there eighty heaters you have anything to say about it so uh gonna be a lot more games coming from us is there a company rollout plan in regards to online connectivity with Tim all machines girls you know I told a I told somebody that answering some questions last week that they had a remember that I'm not running a public company I don't have to disclose company secrets and information that might help somebody compete against us sure somebody do something to harm us and you know you don't know what that information is sometimes so sometimes we look a little squirrelly and when I'm telling the whole truth it's the truth but maybe not the whole truth because we just can't say you know sometimes sometimes other things that are asked of us we actually don't know you know sometimes I say I don't know we're trying to figure that out but we try to give information so that our fans our customers loyal people really care about what we do try to give them information so they can make informed decisions what to buy and maybe they should go out and get a second job and make more money so they can buy more of our games you hit then something that another company hadn't done with the release of this game and that was prior you had utilized some pinball media in regards to getting a sneak peek at the game and I'm wondering because I think I learned a lot from that personally I'm wondering if moving forward is is that something that you would still consider doing or are there changes did you learn anything from that that initial rollout you know sometimes a little information is good and sometimes a little more information is good and you kind of have to catch them walk it with what you're doing you know what's Willy Wonka I felt that it would be good to absent people take a look at it because I knew that I knew that it was going to be this is a big sentence for me to say I knew it was going to be on time I knew that when we were aiming it to be released and delivered and early you know summer that back on April 9th that was going to happen and I was quoted as saying that I wanted to make sure our customers regular people at games by July 4th or sooner and it was really important to me that that happened and to the company not just to me but I was the guy singing it right you said then I'm not going to blame everybody else yeah yeah yep and you know was important to do that I mean they were all the times when we said things and we believed them many years ago when timeline slipped and things happen and circumstances beyond our control and it's all gained a home work and whatever it was but look you know as you as you grow up as the oak tree goes from acorn to sampling to you know a fledgling little little tree it can Carl Weathers more of a storm and more of a wind and more adverse conditions and that's what that's what you should be able to do as a company you should be more responsible and more capable of meeting goals that you set as a company did you like having for instance straight down the middle come in and and kind of cover that game video wise did you like having especially when lit pinball podcasts do that and did you and did you like having this weekend pinball come in and do the deep dive I mean is that something that you thought worked they weren't to your advantage like were to your designated to come in in Canaan Chris you know and Brenda Brenda to come without Chris but you know whenever show up that's going to but you know if if they want to come and they want to see what's going on you know maybe to some extent we'd be able to do in our future tiles to you know it was kind of like a little test is he's saying because you know the funny thing to me I was in France you guys run the NBA not to disclose the name of the game and you're calling it will walk so you you call it it will he want going you calling it game number five what you really want going so I had a well I know you tried you died you know you tried you guys it was one of those situations where everyone was talking willy wonka so I I thought at that point I made a conscious effort not to say the name but it did slip a few occasions during that look at what we're talking about you know years ago there was no conversation there was nothing it was flatline there was nothing going on you know my advertising budget years ago was trying to donate games and get some publicity and try to do some special edition thing look where we are today I mean had Kourtney Kardashian lover love her a lot or love a little I mean that I suppose 10 blow machines to you know like 80 million people all over the world yeah yeah she could have been flipping the flipper man our eyes open I get it but it's Kourtney Kardashian know so hard to get payback right a little bit you just kind of go with the flow on that one okay so good listen it's good publicity spend all the way around you know Lady Gaga was telling Bennet backstage you know they want to play in one of my games but they will communicate you know the next the next rock band in the venue was Chun Kuen and they happen to go backstage and play you know so it's really cool when you see those things you know today look at different commercials and different things that are happening you know I get I get tweeted at by all kinds of people and want to come to the factory they have you know millions tens of thousands of followers of some case couple million followers it's it's all good it's all it's all good for everybody rising tide lifts all boats so you have any new staff coming in anytime soon or you guys have the all-star team solidified at Jersey Jack pinball when there's somebody that we believe is a good fit we've added them you know we we've done it a little differently than in the beginning you know in the beginning I was very public about people we were adding yeah and now I was very quiet about people were adding because other people you know look at those things and maybe it's not our advantage to Telegraph every single thing was doing to the rest of the world so sometimes you gotta run in stealth mode just be quiet no totally make sense but you know the best part about that is just knowing that it's growing and pinball itself is growing especially with the amount of exposures been getting so I mean all good things look you guys you guys are pointed at I mean I hear in this podcast it's a lot of fun it's a lot of entertainment you guys taken your own time you you you could be spending the time doing something else because there's other guys and gals all over the world doing all kinds of podcast you got all the tournament players you have all of the mod people making all this cool stuff in the aftermarket you know I would say the by the way so let's enjoy many of my own intellectual property yeah not a good idea you know make some original stuff don't use Willy Wonka or pirates or dialed in or any of that kind of stuff it belongs to us we have to protect that stuff I don't want to go you know chasing around people sending letters and Laurie letters stuff nice file you just expect you people will do the right thing you know so I'll put that out there because I'm starting to see something that stuff okay you know back off back off because you know what's a get seen by the people and own those licenses it's not going to come from us it's gonna come from them and it's not not going to be something good so I should see I should stop other people's intellectual property right no I get it I think it's especially pinball it's not the Wild West it's you've got to have respect for that and I imagine as a company holding that license that you want to make sure that that is protected and respected for your benefit and for the benefit of the the license you know I'm not gonna go get our return used to fantasy some distress flares and stuff like Iran thank you I'm not gonna come from us not gonna happen but you know that's the people had owned the rights to it you know they they're not that dumb they have people looking all over the place and sometimes sometimes they set them up you know they like to make enough of them so that they made a hundred of them they come in and all your books and then they get one small fortune from them so you know use your own creativity them the community has an amazing amount of creativity ingenuity originality to make all kinds of cool stuff some of that cool stuff is better than what we can make it really is I mean it really is I go to shows I see some of the lives and some of that kind of stuff and blown away by it you know just blown away by keep doing it but just do it do it the things that you own and you create nice things that you took from other people that you don't own tonight I would say the people don't buy that stuff if you see infringing stuff like that not telling you to be a rat and reporters I'm not a rat don't buy it go tell a person hey you have a license for this you know I'll tell you a quick story I bought two t-shirts on Amazon Willy Wonka t-shirts that I was wearing at fantastic and they both said they were licensed by one of those one of them is going back to Amazon was in there it because it had a fake golden ticket on it and it said come to the factory on February 1st well we all know that you come to the factory on October 1st and it had the Warner Brothers logo on it and I wrote that good Amazon I said you know I'm returning this and Amazon basically gives you a few choices right they say yeah is it broken it's changed mine let's get one or anyone oh it actually it's actually a bootleg t-shirt that I'm not gonna wear yeah so I'm sending it back to you mom I think I have a I sensitivity about that from being involved with so many licenses and trying to respect other people's property and everything like that so just would hope that people that create things just try to respect other people's property that's all well yeah and everyone's got to get paid for the work that they put into it you know I mean you know like people came to me at the show and they said that it shows and they said ok I can look at t-shirts and I like an idiot I have to answer the question and say well and I have the license to make Willy Wonka t-shirts Yeah right license to make really like a pinball machines if I make a t-shirt and I have to go in the grocery a whole other license and minimum guarantees and we'll all these and things like that that's not worth it to make t-shirts probably going to give away so you know we don't have any really want custom ball t-shirts and on that first do have some cool posters that we've been giving away you guys got one for my show I am stoked about yeah can can you do me a favor Jack can you just let everybody know exactly what it is that you donated for our one year anniversary show because I thought it was one of the coolest things that could have received and I remember asking you how can i buy one and you're like you just can't this is it this is all we have yeah so we were lucky yeah he had this post to me it has the game on it and some other artwork he has boxes on it where game designer of famous Pat wall or amazing others between you know all three actors that were at this fantastic awesome tournament person yeah yeah minor juvie and Farooq and Charlie Bucket all three actors Harrison and Julie dawn Cole and Peter Ostrom signed it nice and good as well and it's a very very cool collectible that there's only there's only a few of them there's not many of them so it's something really to be treasured that we're giving so we're happy to do that I'll tell you what Jack so this stream is gone off the wall for us as far as appreciation from from all the viewers I I can't thank you enough for coming on I can't thank everybody enough that's in chat right now some of the generosity that's being displayed here is like completely out of this incredible so I want to thank everybody that's here and and I want to thank you jack because literally without you being here there are a lot of people that wouldn't be here so this helps us with our adventure and championing pinball and creating additional exposure and for what you've been doing you know for your career for pinball it's it's not only been impressive but it's so greatly appreciated by so many people throughout the world man and it sounds corny but it's legit yeah thank you well it's very humbling and you know I really appreciate it and you know everybody there's a lot of love and a lot of things that go around to a lot of people and you know it's not about one person and just really in a corny way I mean we just want to bring some more fun to the world it's all we're trying to do make a really cool product that'll make a difference you know we get letters pictures from people and they love what we do so thank you guys and thank you for what you're doing happy anniversary and hopefully we'll talk to you 2nd anniversary 20th anniversary Oh before that and our second anniversary show we'll be talking to you about your next your two releases from now yeah yeah that's a good time and you know what I mean between you and your your whole team I mean your your efforts the whole efforts as the team just show and all the products that you release so you know I know for Ken myself and Steve you know we love your games absolutey into an awesome job at bringing these things to life absolutely yeah thanks jack so hey man thank you guys you and everybody get some rest have a great night go play some time ball somewhere and you know if you have some friends you're gonna work and ball is here to introduce them to the game and I love it as much as you will all right okay thanks jack have a good night bud good night all right ladies and gentlemen you chat Chet Chet really helped out with that it was great listen I am completely shocked and awed and humbled by what's going on here in chat tonight I want to say thank you so much I mean you guys are even with it with the bits and the subs Joe Fox pink West Southwest Pennsylvania pinhead Scott from Penn State I mean all you guys ridiculous everybody thank you everybody I could not find it within myself to cut off our guests to thank everybody individually because it was coming in so frequently it would have been rude but I absolutely want to tell you that it is greatly appreciated and I hope that you guys all enjoyed Jack coming in and donating his time and coming in the chat guys I thought I thought we had 10 or 15 minutes with Jack man that was enough that was thanks buddy was an hour I didn't know how long it was gonna last either I thought it was gonna be kind of a smaller thing I was let him off the hook in like 20 minutes you know and he wanted to stay he's like right there Jack wants to talk you let him talk oh absolutely good that was fun and you know what I like getting insight from him I like asking him a question and then just not saying anything and letting him know and then and then and then when he stops I still don't like to say anything because a lot of times he'll offer something that's going again yep and he's always interesting to talk to and and that was fun that was fun for those of you that might have missed this you can go ahead I know that this will be archived on the the flipping out pinball twitch channel so you'll be able to rewatch this and and I believe Zach and you can probably come in the chat if you're still here I believe he uploads these to YouTube a couple of day or two yeah you know if you thanks for saying great job but literally great job you guys because to be able to kind of glance up and get some ideas for questions makes it so ridiculously easy and you know there was not anything intentional that I tried to avoid I tried to address everything that I could there so if I miss something my fault but I'll tell you what email us and I'll forward him over to Jackie I don't think he's afraid to to comment anything it's the chat that fuels us every week Jeff you know I see we've gotten you know new people in this week that weren't here last week and I mean it is just such an interesting dynamic with all the personalities that are in here jumping back and forth some of the banter some of the jokes honestly this was a real light day for jokes so you guys got to come back next week I mean normally there's no we got some Scott Penn Stadium stuff going on which is pretty entertaining oh good UV glowed co-contraction interaction yeah yeah my wife was not necessarily a fan of that but you know I said it's sponsored so it's fine now let's figure out where this is gonna go everybody plug your ears hopefully that wasn't too loud I have to adjust the audio levels on that but I don't know why don't we you want to put another game Milwaukee here I mean we kind of I would love to get on some Walker right now they know everything about the another game or to another game will do a quick after hours and wrap this up around baby okay I do that some couple minutes to go upstairs if that's okay yeah go for a man get a break from everybody yeah yeah we'll do a two-player game let's do that let's do that all right thanks Chris yes good time so we'll get back in the Wigwam guys thanks again man I'm like I'm so I don't know what to say except thank you very very much you want in on this yeah two players right absolutely so we'll get a couple games it will go to the after-hours segment with the live call-in feature in about 10 minutes like right as we get up to 9:30 create a question for the group go for it buddy thanks Zach that was it's always fun and easy to talk to Jack so I do appreciate and I appreciate the fact they what does after-hours really does I appreciate the fact that Jack is appreciative that we're not really good pinball players you guys all suck right any that's why I loves us because we're not really amazed surprises on the game any surprises I'm ruining our via a question over the phone that's like the only surprises that I might be missing there flip some Wonka guys everybody grab your drinks grab a favorite beverage I'm gonna get a drink what do we have any IPAs do I have Christian guides [Music] all right oh [ __ ] we're down to Chris let's bro alright nevermind oh never mind alright alright sorry bud no worries man it is party time yeah bills gonna come downstairs we're gonna be like on our third game hey we're already done with after-hours bill that's it oh yeah no oh great times Joe Fox is an animal tonight pin quest another animal in southwest Pennsylvania pinhead another animal like rounding out the top three tonight with ridiculous generosity loser kid Josh Thank You Penn Stadium thank you hey the gun it I'm glad the gun it was able to go ahead and get his question it yeah me too man because I was not intentionally lobbying any softballs and I thought I had addressed his question like real early in the interview so my bad if I missed that Andre thanks attacked from Marc Thank You blacks rack thank you the infidel thank you so thank you guys all for stop it in here tonight and throwing a little little bit slug thanks for the subs tonight just a fun night guys just a fun night yeah the question about changes to the playfield art all art in the playfield I'm sorry man I thought you were looking at like physical changes to the play we go all right let's be quiet vodka taenia mania and kidding [Music] there you go [Music] all right trying to be quiet for the Wonka tinea medium I love that part of the game it's just a missing something like a creepiness factor to me like I almost want to just hear that I've just that call out with the freaky light show you know what I mean and just let everything else go silent Jack did say that they are listening to feedback as they always are so I'm gonna I'm gonna email joke paths tomorrow and just offer a couple things that I think I would personally like to see in the game I know there's no promise for any of that to get implemented but it makes me feel better that I try to contribute in what I think might be a little bit of an improvement on the game and we do have to mention Zack in the coal flipping out pinball Willy Wonka's the alleys are on the line that was some breaking news tonight I think I don't I have not heard that I haven't heard that so if you need to get a willy wonka Ellie you need to call Zac it flippin up pinball and request your Ellie now because I don't see that making a ton of Ellie's before they roll into the CES yeah and then probably back to the standard acts to the standards so if you want to get an ally I mean not to create nervous hype here on a supply demand issue it's probably to your best interest to go there do not make a yeah he's never on vacation even the best time to bother him right now let's do it guys where's bill well we are back so what'd I miss here what a minute so yeah Sweetwater 4/20 IPA yeah it's good that's a good beer show [Music] yeah yep once you go Zack you never go back yeah but no Ken was talking about the the the rowing really don't walk it's a Tuan Cattani as is it go yeah yeah I agree everything should just cut out there and issues really go to a dark mode yeah although you know being a family friendly game you can't throw that in maybe an option I don't know yeah 200 yeah that machine so is that what did he say that was the yetis yeah I've already gone out that's awesome good for them yeah but hopefully Jack you guys are having a good time down there man yeah nobody wants to see an Evo ass suntan yeah you do you you needed the break if I was Nicole I'd be slapping you for watching this you know dude take your well-deserved break brother hold the right Oh see that's always killing me earlier yeah right Arlene everyone's saying the left out lane is is the the drainer that's for the good players man like I know yeah that's right that's my check loves us that we could do this so after this game we'll do 1 3 player game will go in the after-hours all right shut her down around 10 o'clock we'll put up that I'll call in line so people want to call in and talk a little bit of pinball yeah my wife saw that boat scene and uh yeah she was creeped out by it so my daughter's poor I had her watch Willy Wonka because I watched the movie again before he went in the jersey Jack Bensenville to see the game before it was released to the public yeah you and I both did that right so I sat down with my daughter and I'm like this is Willy Wonka and that Wonka taenia scene cousin and she's like she's looking at me like why why are you showing me this she's like four snakes yeah yeah it is it's it's it's bad so then like she wasn't really into Willy Wonka at that point so ya know if I scarred her she has not been down to play this so so I want to jump in Chris asked to walk it without salt Wizard of Oz that's a tough beat yeah you know I think you said before Chris that last sold 4000 units and you were reporting something that's already been disclosed that Jack disclosed I don't know that's a totally tough beat dude I think this is a great game that it really has the lace to kind of get close to that I mean I love Wizard of Oz and I know that's not everyone's favorite game but I know for me if the theme alone is what pulls me in so I think it's actually a great a great contender to rival that sales I don't know if you feel the same way or not you know what and that's pinball I'm not good at it either I just love playing it like I said when I have people with my house over the on Friday night coworkers that don't have large collections haven't been around pinball honestly I know that's old another Wizard of Oz is my actual supervisor was looking for one follow actually print the procedure the previous question was one of you taking Terminator out of the lunchroom and bringing Wizard of Oz and I'm like no this game is too expensive does take a pass to bring bring into the lunch room for people to be you know smear and mayonnaise all over oh the mayonnaise on that on the teeth you're up we got a little three-player game card after hours it's always good seeing Lord of the Ring breath in in chat yeah I love that story what is considered a large collection in your mind I'm gonna go I want Steve's answer first I'm gonna go 15 or more okay fifteen maybe twenty or more that's pretty large I think I think once when you're double digits in a large collection is depending on how much space you have but it is I think if you're a ten pins or more that's that's a pretty circle and local are okay you're up there Steve you know what I don't know there's nine in my basement right now and I almost feel that that's almost too much for a few few different reasons one and you're afflicted with the disease and s pinball says that this is true well you know anything above like five or six then maintenance really becomes kind of hard played uh Baywatch is the first time and God knows how long because they just kind of been sitting since I've been working on stuff and notice some problems with it not that it really should have had any because it's just been sitting but yeah I don't know I mean I think seven is probably a good number Berto drink one says it's large if you have games and storage also I got a quarter when it overcomes your house I got a quote our buddy Jason and no small collections like three threes easy to take apart okay to five small yeah I'm gonna go five to ten maybe fifteen medium so I guys a lot of guys with fifteen and over oh I'm sure there is I mean do but that are large I haven't been able to shop all my games and forever I'll do like I you know how do you maintenance that you can that's the that's and that's the thing do you know when you have people over you want everything working perfect yeah you know what chrono there's a guy out here that we know that he's thirty plus pins and I mean it's just insane you know you know the other argument that I have is how much money do you want tied up in the pinball I recently just took another another Ryan Policky at home on all my pinball machines because I was nervous how much cash was sitting there yeah really walk is a fun pinball machine but it's really pissing me the hell all right off right now yeah a little bit so here's something you do it balls say to me bro at home then I went over there to save my ball drain and I watch the drain down the right outline that I've been complaining about when I get my se right might move those out lane posts you can't you can't move the post you know drain it or say hey bills already done for a sec alright there you go right sorry about that way to pause player notification secret secrets hurt someone there was a secret conversation going on over here nice little chat with Canadian just now over the phone love talking to that guy friend / we are not ordering hookers in st. Charles they're prostitutes yeah I like to call them ladies of the night they made it that sounds a little more if that's you the ladies of the night now I am some Game of Thrones style nice no no no no then it says according to our lips they were talking about trading this waka for a water world yeah I don't know how he guessed that I thought I covered my mouth like in casino but that's here I've got it a bunch of times you get at once wait yeah I will say a bunch but I gotta put in that little scoop over there in the other one yeah I've hit the super super skill shot when it kicks out you gotta use upper flipper taking up the ramp and then it can lock it on the left flipper the lower left or the middle left and then you hit the spinner there's like a hole on that and literally drops you got one on location huh a water world or a walk-up so what kind of order do you think the water or oh this man I'm gonna have a good ball right now I can I can tell you know what honestly sese vercelli I like them both for different reasons which honestly if it wasn't spill you're right whoa liar no more though will you ah you know what honestly a budget was not an issue I would jump on the Le but I think for the price yesyes I kind of a bargain and all on that we talking about Wonka yeah so yeah I I chose the SCE and I was actually really happy to hear that they threw the world the wonkavator multiball carry over into it into the scent of the coat yeah yeah but yeah I mean I don't know [Music] yeah the SE price is kind of the oh hey now Zack yeah no ii Nicole dude if you guys are looking for a pinball man these guys are awesome flippin off pinball oh yeah and we might still have a yeah Zack is the Black Knight Elise full visit spoken for I think we could probably move it on or even keep in streaming some more dominating if I could come with a little bit of money do that that's a good game yeah yeah it's definitely a cool game till you lose oh there you go folks oh man it's on the on the hit list yeah but not this one your wrists not this one no I think that's another great game here think about it though we're pinball rich right now for you know what's available you know think I mean the last three four years the titles that have come out titles that are rumored it like the new golden age of pinball man oh yeah the only difference freaking awesome the only difference now is that you can't play a lot of this ball where we live there's not a lot of mod location but that's what we have our collections that's true or spoil too though because do we know enough people that have enough games we know where our pirates is ten minutes from here you know where Garros yeah you know where ac/dc is yep attack from Mars you've got you've got star wars yeah I got a wise it is only getting better day oh it's great man is it your right day but is only getting better drivers no man III dude I think Black Knight is a cool game it definitely has grown on me was a little work getting used to it get jumping back into that kind of feel from playing slower games in my house but definitely an awesome game all right so hey you know I like the newer games the original Black Knight not a big fan Black Knight mm love it was really looking forward to Black Knight sort of rage I don't have the funds for it because my funds were already tied up in a wonka yeah man hey I mean you could so uh right you got a couple things to sell though we played it a few a few weeks it's a good it is it is I like it you know I like monsters I I think the black and white is cool I don't know if it's for me but I know I'm working on getting on a month out getting a monsters croaks I do like the artwork I like the flow I think the code is kind of perfect it's not too crazy I mean I gotta watch for crazy and I think it's easy to explain you know money there's one that I really wanted to get so that's probably common I'm still looking for a Ghostbusters Pro but I might be where we're gonna deal out right now on this KenKen having a ball over there by the way oh he's pissed at that game chrono says nice save Katie Steve how does walk a rate for you versus all the new one boxes that have come out well I'm in on the wonka and I've only had two new inbox and I really looking for this hot dog right now that left inner loop is dangerous when it comes out yeah so anything on the on the current market are you asking yeah we'll give it a shot Eric I'm still going I'm just okaaaay good man somebody steal the wonkavator multiball what I might end up doing is going led eventually we'll see good who is who is who's going Expo in October anybody going to Chicago and pinball Expo because I'm going to be there for sure Oh Zach Zach defendants Popeye out here and I'm just catching up what is up Jeff hey what's up Jeff all right yes this week everything for this weekend pinball wealthy keepin balls gonna be going the October Oktoberfest oh it's cruising now yeah go into Expo South solve those Pennsylvania pinheads going we need to hook up man yeah and get a beer or a beverage man Killian is considering in there Expo or replay effects either good choices I would I would invite you down to the pinball Expo eat more pins that's what we're going to replay call her at 15 I'll try and make Saturday and Expo absolutely we're gonna have to do some type of little gathering up at Expo that's coming in from hook up let us know baby phones Expo oh yeah that's crazy just ask me what my a new favorite inbox would be dude you bought everything that you wanted new one yeah nobody thought we played Oktoberfest we played Black Knight not were playing Wonka I think they're all great for different reasons they're also good though yeah crazy yeah we are pinball rich for stuff you can buy right now I think maka might be I don't know I see I kind of adjusted the settings on my Wizard of Oz so I mean if you look at it funny you get a multiball and people that aren't pinball people get the multiball and they're like this game is awesome yeah you know kind of kind of geared toward yeah and pinheads yeah I mean I set it up for my cousin's herb my cousins my nieces and nephews over Christmas and I've never changed it back so honestly we should be playing all of our games that good absolutely dude I mean we bit bail and eyes do not kill a but here's the thing Steve can buy any game and I can kind of build any game I guess you can have anyway I definitely cannot buy any and every day [Music] there we go I try to hit that shot like eight times I move it off tonight yeah yeah yeah this Walker does have the new Cobra Ken yeah it's 1.07 by the way the extra ball on this game happens after the game is done after everybody's taking their their three ball turn and then you get your extra ball then maybe not oh sorry I'm just catching up on the other chair oh yeah yeah you know everything's kind of a tough situation there Dennis everybody does things for the Ohio Pirates that's that - okay yeah jabbers we did ask about internet connectivity and he did kind of give her a response it was kind of blanket exceeded want to let uh was it too much information out but yeah that was uh that was addressed in chat [Music] nice user hours yeah you don't want Chris uh yeah so jet says the game is done right now basically by the game don't expect anything more is what I got out of it but we know how with jjp rolls I think I think we can't expect more I don't know don't get your hopes up don't buy what he said is don't buy the game expecting more but here's the thing every time you hear that it seems like people earn game games wind up getting more I mean everybody thought kiss ellie was done what happened more code yeah I don't necessarily believe that you know I don't know I would I would I would think if I were to police bets that there would probably be more code updates on it I'd bet on that alright we are in the after-hours segment here and thanks everybody for joining us on the foot but not pinball streaming network thanks to Zach Anna Cole many for allowing us to stream all the new games here out of the special win live pinball podcast studios thanks for Stevie T for stopping by and streaming with us as he always does thank you Bill Webb so far for sticking around I know you it's a late night for you and it is I got about 23 minutes then we're going good times going home good times not that I want to but nobody wants to go being up at 4:30 kind of cramped closing time closing time but it is the reveal of Wonka on the stream so we're gonna keep the party going here a little bit longer and again thanks for all the generosity tonight just amazing it's been nuts with follows and bits and you know it's been crazy total Fox pin quest you pinheads and I can't even read the rest of it because it you know be very humble it's cut off but thank you everybody we went through a little list earlier and we'll give some shoutouts at the end of the show for those of you that don't know who we are I am Ken and this is Bill we host the special win lit pinball podcast out of Chicago it's a weekly pinball podcast so if you've never listened to a podcast before we just uploaded our one year anniversary show and recaps everything we've done over the year and what we're all about so I encourage you to go to our Facebook page especially when lit pinball podcast or special when lit pinball podcast comm and check out that episode and hopefully you find it as enjoyable as we did recording it now if anybody wants to come and call in you can call us at six three zero two eight three two two eight eight eight numbers they're right below there we'll get you on the air and we'll talk some pinball now we've got a lot of people that have been recurring calls for the first couple weeks that we've done this and let's see who we have on the line right now I have a missed call so whoever tried calling let's do that again we have 12 missed calls usually we kick off with Zach so Zach if you are here I would love to have you come on the show here and say hello to everybody let everybody know how they can get their wonka's because it's exciting to have the pin the what what am i Jack's blowing off the fireworks and not Disney is that what he's doing absolutely dude hopefully man he's got a new Disney World right now not Disneyland no I don't know no they're in Florida so it's world so it's world yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna reboot the I'm gonna reboot the Stephen bill there we go hello thanks for calling the flipping out screaming Network what's up brother how's it goin guys what's up Zack how are you man many joins yeah bring it right now this is this is unbelievable I have like a hundred and fifty different thank-yous but most of them are just you never want to sexy son of a [ __ ] in chair thanks dad it's a sexy chat tonight minute is everyone is hold on crazy style and a lot of generosity tonight a lot of great questions a lot of good spirits oh my god did you did you see the baby yes yes talk to me about me like that it was tough man because I was talking about it earlier I mean you want to acknowledge all this happening and you really out of respect to Jack I didn't want to interrupt him everything all right every 10 seconds yeah thanks for the yeah so it was hard I'm supposed to do that so I try to catch everybody up you know again up to speed on that and it's just it's amazing I was thanking everybody for this the bit Wars going on down there those who just contributed with Chad man that was that was fantastic this is the street this is like an epic streaming the streaming is only as good as the chat I mean in all honesty and and the chats been rolling all night long I mean when we're having a hard time keeping up that means that chats on fire so you guys are all doing a great job everyone's I just want to I just wanted to you know start this thing off this crazy after every ship with calling in even though I'm on vacation and so I told the wife the kids I was like go to freakin pants man you're getting some ice right now in the hotel right as you're on your cell phone call into the flipping out some clean towels I'll be back in a minute they're never takes the truth listen chat can come and hang out in one place every single week the green opal hate it I mean is it good better than that that is a vacation no it's definitely an escape from reality dude I know how much you put into everything you do absolutely know if you weren't wouldn't have joined us tonight I would have been relieved that you actually took time for you to do your thing but thank you for being here so and no ever better reason for me to join on vacation is this this I look forward to this every week and a simple plug quick plug before I let you guys go absolutely I just want to I want to have everybody already said in chat but honestly if you are considering a new pinball machine or an Escalera stair-climbing hand truck don't don't hate in chat because I'm plugging this chill out give me a shot I can guarantee you this if you give me a shot that first time I can guarantee that 2nd 3rd 4th 12th pin I'd like to think you're going to come back yes that's all I ask just give me coal 9 a shot at that and we'll be ever grateful I have said before because I bought two pins from you I put my personal reputation on the line as like just a person that you will have a positive overly positive pinball experience purchasing from Zach and flipping out I mean and that's why I'm buddies with you man because I associate myself with people that I trust and people that I I think are good people and you fill all those gaps and on top of it you're a badass distributor and that's that's no lie please consider with confidence if you're in I just especially can fill CD you guys should be super proud of what you're doing right now you guys were fantastic another big huge thanks to Jersey Jack himself for giving absence that was phenomenal until cat's crazy yeah was doing chancy Jo and Chan where was job if you live in chat Thanks after hours right now oh yeah time to come what's up Jo now I I talked I changed some emails today with your kids and we might see Jo cats come in the studio and do a little streaming with some walk and get him on the mics and I think Jo we might just be trying to see if we can get a date that works out for you right buddy so that'll be pretty awesome man to have to have Jo on in any events got to throw a shot out to our buddy Rob he was watching he was well looky cheap so thanks for watching man hey thanks for calling the flipping out pinball streaming network please turn down your radio we cannot hear you can you hear us because we can hear you hey hello hello what's up who's this this is your favorite pinball podcaster oh it had the head pinball this was Martino what's all that that was awesome that was awesome and I'm I'm so happy Jack gave an hour and answered all the questions so I guess the question I have is this and I know Joe's on the horns here okay where where do you think we got an answer on the synchronization of clips with audio especially things Wonka is a musical in which people remember all those iconic scenes and song and I'm just wondering if you guys felt like they answer that cuz I still feel like we get a half answer were like it's all Zak said like a lot lot of its in there and then he's like game is done but then the game might not be done and I'm just sure is for people buying this do you think they've got what they need to know a fair enough question I think I think Jack said consider the game done but I mean I I don't think that that necessarily we should not count on any code updates I think if there's some feedback that's being offered that all that will be into consideration and I think it really goes down to the approach of the game by any one individual where I think something should sound like this Chris you think something should sound like this and somebody that's on the machine thinks it sounds like this so I there's so many different ways to kind of go about the pinball machine I don't know if there is a definitive answer at this point on how that all ties together so I mean for the lack of a better term I think we almost kind of have to wait and see what happens if that's what you're looking for you know what I mean I don't know that there's any right or wrong or definitive answer either way to be honest I mean you go would you guys like to see it think though more often yeah well there are there are parts in the pinball machine where I think would lend themselves well to sinking up some of the audio in the video and maybe removing some of the sounds during some of the some of the action and the waka Tania mania mode is as chilling as is and I think with a couple tweaks it would it would appeal even greater to me but if it didn't happen I don't know that I would be disappointed and a little bit more of that we you know as you're playing you're not you don't watching the screen the whole time anyways yeah so as you're playing I mean it's it's a different experience like you're seeing on the stream you're saying both you're seeing the screen and the gameplay right we want them to sync up I want I want to thank you guys it was awesome than I think Brenda's mad at me because I dedicate it like the entire night for watching I promise we go like they make makeup mode in my heart Tim Beaumont do yourself a favor and go strawberry picking with her over the weekend all right yeah good times so I mean we'll see what happens with that I it's I can see his point and from everything that I've heard him talk about from the beginning of this game like he's had this vision in his head on how he wanted this kind of exploratory mission through the the Chocolate Factory for sure and and something that ties in the musical moments with the modes and this that the other thing and where everybody's gonna have the rolling right so that they're gonna want it like Jack and Jack said consider it done right now yeah yeah you like it buy it unless your Red Cross or UNICEF or you know so you can either be helping children on them you're never gonna make any good on them you know I mean look at all and he was just saying they Jays updated Wizard of Oz I think that's the exciting thing about other games I mean because that you will see them you've seven years from now we're gonna be seeing Willy Wonka yeah so it's fine did Joe really did he did he fly off chat somebody said he left so hopefully he's still here Joe good times good time so what is going on here I like Denis UNICEF kriesel that's good Grandpa Joe better wherever it takes to half the movies the grandparents laying in bed bed pan hockey ball good times good times so what are your initial impressions after getting some games on it tonight I still love it yeah yeah I mean I think we're this one set up a little brutal er than I'm used to but that's the brutal brutal er I like that little V our next t-shirt little Brugler right yeah some do with a baseball bat runnin on the back yeah sure exactly no way you know what honestly I still love the game man I mean I still think this is very fitting for them as a company and the way that it was executed it's a phenotype in it is it's very family-friendly timeless so what are your thoughts well here let's ASD what are your thoughts well you bought it so I mean you're so yeah obviously I'm in I I think it will progress code wise I trust jjp to to keep moving the the bar forward with each game but man the shots are great this one is set up a little brutal we need this one like you played nine Willie why it's not set up difficult like I don't the legs you know what the leg levelers are all down to the bottom where I think there's a little made for for location right oh that's so that's what we're gonna get now dude then there goes the ugly the ugly Bill's voice head again so we'll drop that oh oh no there we go so I'm supposed to look like a lumberjack from the office I never watch the office so a loss is great that's okay we need more time on this we do next next Monday thankfully we'll be here again next week and the week after we dream in the same game and I really hope Joey I know you're still here and that's awesome I hope you come in man because I would like to see when we went into jjp and like we'll sit down we watch these guys we watched Joe Katz we played a game we were in there we played a game with Joe Katz Eric Meunier yeah myself DVD and man it's just like you're watching a tutorial they make everything easy they they're both over this go for that go for that you're like yeah yeah now we played the Le and we played the standard edition and jjp Bensenville because they have a satellite office out here we're there they've got a separate team of designers and stuff out out there the productions all in Jersey so it's it's again Chicagoland pinball mecca of the world it's all still kind of coming out here which is pretty awesome yellow designers and stuff are out here a lot of Oh many perhaps the cabin Dennis says I can't do brick shot it would be too toxic yeah Chris if you're still here maybe a little brick shot see we have coming on here oh this is dr. Jenna thanks for calling the flipping out Network what's up hello what's going on how are you I'm good night very good now I know why the doctor waiting room is so damn long cuz everyone's watching pinball streams you don't want to go in there you don't want on a Monday night Doctor John what's up buddy uh I was wondering the Ibla on order for Willy Wonka have you lifted up the playfield and had a look underneath yet uh yeah I have I'm wondering about those little LED lights are they on a board or they all individual a little light I believe those are a board if I remember correctly and if Joe's in chat and he can correct me or not I think I do remember seeing those unlike individual boards because they kind of make that circular star set because I had to jump under there because I did install PinStadium Lights for our stream and I remember being back down there and checking that out but if I am wrong I mean if you want dr. John if we don't get an answer here I'll lift the playfield for you tomorrow and I'll just get back to you let you know that's cool yeah it's funny cuz it's new technology you always love new - I was gonna say is that like a decisive buying decision for you if you its individual LEDs not only dollar I've got a widget of all bolted to the floor at home I got a Pirates of the Caribbean to the floor and I'm sure these funds because they're a long time as well now I'm just interested in how they did it it gives a good life pattern and I like to see Jax always trying new things with the team there and I'm just interested in what they did to make that whether they are all individual LEDs or a light board shining through or what they did yeah do you have any time on the game dr. John if you played it if you flipped it nope okay that's how you like it it's a great it's a great pinball experience it's just it's different it's fun it's fresh and it's attractive it makes you feel like you want to keep playing and that's important from you immersed in the world when you're playing it you know I mean even cool even with the chant and us talking in the background and that's always hard for me to be able to focus on and there's this much going on but you know I mean you still feel immersed in this game and that's the the kicker I do have to ask you which was sort of eyes you actually have though because that was a question of my mom I've got the rarest edition of Wizard of Oz which is the what they call but down under rescue edition which sells its what is that did you hear about that no the rare I've paid my twelve thousand dollars to the importer that Jack used originally who took everyone's money and he sold his business and the new owner said well he's a whole stack of money sitting in an account which was supposed to be entrust expended on something else so we all lost their money and Jack found out about it and very kindly built a limited number of rescue editions down under which he shipped over at a discounted price and there was some Wheeling's and dealings that went on to try to retrieve some of the money so those of us went in early and lost our bucks all ended up with a it's pretty much the Emerald no yeah the Emerald City edition without the wooden apron but it's got the green rails green sides all that sort of stuff and Tony's got the 5 volt light boards because it was early but that was the very limited very cool it's incredible ma'am that's a great story right you know it's good that he's reached out and trying to take care of a wrong that wasn't necessarily his yeah awesome yeah it's very good like I said I dropped into his factory a few years ago and I'd look at the mall being built and there's a lot of fun he does drink all my booze but a lot of fun right maybe he's on the wagon these days who knows we'll find out it next bills anymore sometimes it don't take much hey man so I I appreciate you calling in and I'm looking forward to your next segment on episode 60 especially when they pinball podcast you got a little spooky pinball ok for us right it's being recorded this evening and a little plug for a YouTube channel Emily and I uploaded Alice Cooper onto YouTube today a bit of a loss due to action so what's our YouTube channel to that where can they find you yes how I've been Emily and dr. John fair enough Emily and dr. John on YouTube go check it out Alice Cooper nightmare castle is uploaded I love it man Greg guys keep it up you do the same thanks for everything dr. John good times dr. John he's like a guy man I'm happy he's associated himself in our podcast it's fun he says oh our we're still talking about some Ghostbusters code looks like up there flipping our pinball's says he's talking to Dennis we're gonna give the people a showdown next week come on Den Den so Dennis and Zach are co-hosting this weekend pinball every other week we're exacts the primary host depending on who you ask chrono 861 Zach and Bill where's the whirlwind high scores at had a killer game on the line Sunday I don't do it honestly my game right now doesn't even play his game right you just keep it in pristine museum condition so we had eight people over I allowed each person two games on it on my whirlwind that I blow do they have special tokens no tokens so uh thanks calling flipping on network hello is it me or landfill that answer itself yep don't see that that's a little freaky find my wife so yeah honestly we put 16 more games on it so I think right now it's actually a 26 or no 28 games so yes all our game this is all a game yeah a lot of all our games I didn't realize really who pad all there was when I first got in the pinball but I realized that I liked a lot of his games the style which is kind of interesting to see here they are you can tie yourself in with the manufacturer with a designer you are live on the flipping out pinball streaming network who are we speaking with what's up you maniac hey Bill Webb you've got two minutes and you've got to go you're my dude oh boy that's what bills like Davis guy actually if they're not done by 10:00 I need you to one all the emergency call it's like when you want to get out of a do this call yeah go ahead buddy oh nice hey you know what here's the thing man I said it doing summary so in case somebody comes over at least they'll be sterile when they get out times all burning goodness exactly 160 hands up there right now you jump into Chicago and you're cooling down it's warm oh yeah at least the guys that are doing the hot tub poppin they can't procreate after exactly so we're waiting or a Pam Anderson story update from from last week as you remember last week dave was partying with Pam Anderson in in the year 2002 and you had pictures and upload rocks basement so what's our story of the weekday but do we have going on now this is all real stuff oh oh if you have an actual rescue me what do you want to hear I got let's just hear what he called it the secret Oh actually I just want to talk more about that as the verse is that the le because that's really been that long evaders been a big point for a lot of people yep Dave I love number love love you I'm gonna I will call you tomorrow we better go Bill's leaving but it's a safety hazard if I stay up too late so we can yeah no that's cool I'll talk to you about that I love you too bro can't enjoy this job I'm sticking around guys I'll be all right sorry I make children come I make babies come early all right so I'm gonna dictate this story cuz I know this story that you're gonna tolerate now okay well it's a question and it's not and it's not too long the story but it's a great story if he wants to tell it your Arkansas trip that ended early I'll wait a second wait a second wait hold on are we doing the wonkavator he's like I'm out of here by the way tell they're 45 minutes story and then he leaves Arkansas story next week if you don't mind actually the Arkansas story they had a realtor that is July 3rd it's my birthday but anyhow yeah let's talk waka Vader all right let's go wait bill walk out now I don't see here's the thing I can't watch I talk to you guys on my phone and I watch it on my phone so I have no idea okay no groveling on bill is going something don't read it to me okay bye bill bill drive safely okay yeah so yeah so what's your take on that it's it's because I mean really everybody who's got a basement right now that's the question on that Essie versus that le or yeah just is that wonk of a few like you missed it today i I absolutely miss seeing it in the upper left part of the standard they did a good job fill-in the machine but knowing what I'm comfortable seeing with the le in the upper left corner for me cuz I'm the type of guy that if something's missing out of a game even if it's not ridiculously important I feel like I'm always gonna feel like I'm missing it that's why I went for don't know it should be there yeah does the price justify it I don't know like because it is a functioning mech it does fill the upper left corner of the game they they have the virtual lock for the wonkavator multiball on the standard edition so I mean that's there I want to hate catfish hammer thanks for following the flippin up pinball channel so I think it just kind of depends you know are you a pro guy or your premium guy like I'm not an I'm not like a high-end guy with like super collector edition I just can't afford it you budget but can do you think it's missing as much as the upper playfield on Black Knight no I don't know I don't I don't think that it does not affect gameplay in that way so if that's where you're going I would say no it's not I mean the standard is solid it's a solid pinball machine and really I mean there's there's a trim level difference there's an art package difference on the cabinet and on the back glass and then you've got that that wonkavator lock that's back there and I like seeing it back there so I don't know can I rotate it can everybody justify that as as an add-on for that Le tier no but I can and that's why I decided to go Ellie we had a lot of early buyers though because I've been listening obviously I listen to a lot of podcasts and I've said it before everybody make sure you play the game at least 5 times before give a verdict on anything because yeah like what happened with Pirates a lot of people crapped on it and you know I was an early player and now everybody's saying it's the greatest kind of all time because they finally got to play it yeah so you know I'm hearing a lot of oh it doesn't have the clips and you know what it's I've played I played it at MDC I played it it you know another place as well and it shoots great it's a great game do I miss the audio clips I never once felt like there was something missing what's that say what does that say though Dave about this game the clips maybe don't match up with the audio you well they do but you don't need it right it doesn't affect your playing experience exactly in my pin ball 1967 thanks for the follow sorry Dave I'm trying to keep up with with everybody who's following I appreciate it taco pizza thanks for the bits I know I know you're not watching you're listening so if you hear some weird stuff going on this what's happening no you know it's funny because when everybody was going bit crazy I'm like what is that noise because I really don't even watch the streams I honestly don't I put it on the table and I do stuff so I was hearing that noise in the background everybody's throwing those bits and I was like what is going on this is a code update for one guy that's got some laser stuff going on but it was great having Jack and chat I hope that you enjoyed listening to him but I you can't make a bad decision on them on the model that you buy on willy wonka if if you just like a fun pinball experience so yeah I mean you know but it just it's it's solid I mean it's another it's another winner and yeah like Steve was saying this is a great time to being a pinball seriously looking forward to seeing what comes in accident yeah buddy they're setting the bar they're setting the bar and it's the bar keeps getting higher and higher and you know I love the fact that we're complaining about little things like audio clips not matching up when it's like we got audio clips you guys have Willy Wonka yeah who would've thought that ever would have happened so this is fantastic looking forward to the next dream pen to pop up and ya know great job guys I got you know it's unbelievable show it was just fantastic you guys should both you guys should all just sit back and this was a great one that dude awesome thanks for checking in me and thanks I work so he's good when you contribute man in chat and really is we can always count on your call during the after hours brother so thanks a lot Dave thanks for what you're doing for pinball man keep it up you maniac yeah we will brother be good we gotta have you we're gonna have you out the stream here soon thanks Dave so so roarton asks ya what are bits yeah so bits are essentially and I'm still new to this but if you wanted to donate to the channel you can take real currency and turn into virtual currency that you could then give to a channel out of appreciation that then can be transferred over to physical currency for people that are hosting the channel so I think I'm a bit is a penny so dr. John thank you for the hundred bits so essentially dr. George threw us a a United States dollar man and out of the goodness of his heart nobody has to do that we don't expect any of that but it was just nice to see a lot of a lot of bits flying all all through the place tonight and I got a credit jersey jack for coming on the show and making that appearance that was fun yeah those good times but we're gonna take a couple more calls it good till 10:30 or no I'm good you got another 20 minutes in you if anybody else wants to call in talk to wanna talk some pinball talk some anything really we're good to go big thanks to flipping on pinball again Zac in the cold thanks for letting us stream these games hey guys in our speciality pinball podcast studios because it's fun we're trying to offer something a little bit different in regards to streaming and that is just having kind of a live banter podcast while we do these strains we have guests in studio and we have guests on our phone lines and it's just uh no man it's I'm liking it it's it's starting to feel more comfortable to me it is right for me too I never felt about playing pinball well like you guys do the hot cast Yeah right and this is Stevie Stevie DS know how lawyers are close funny to get comfortable that yeah but well I mean the nice thing when you're recording a podcast is you don't necessarily have to be comfortable with it because you can rerecord one very when you're on a pinball stream there's just a lot of things that are going on and it can make you feel a little uncomfortable but like I'm I'm feeling pretty good and it's because of everybody in chat me and you guys are all that chats kickin it yeah everybody's everybody's good to go so yeah a bit is the penny that is correct slap save says /me not sure what that is Dennis he's got another twenty hours in that brew Lord of the Ring breath my favorite handle I want a powder coat oh just left Oh Southwest Pennsylvania pinhead with a hundred bits man thank you you had a pretty a pretty generous evening in the bits Department there Southwest offensively so we're gonna absolutely have to hook up with you when you come to Expo and get you some beers so we'll save your bits convert medicine actually we can't do that because it goes back into the stream so it is good times what else do we have here there's some banter going back and forth between some people here Zach from flipping on pinball says JJ peas making an innovative pinball then flipping out pinball and special it is making innovative pinball streaming now a lot of the things that we do have been implemented at times on other streams but I think what we're doing now is on a more consistent basis than anybody's ever done and where it might not be cutting edge the drive is there to be different and on a consistent basis loser kid three wants to know why he's a dick hooked on pinball dumped in what color would you do the power code and if oh that's a good one what color would you do the powder code would be nice if you had one so I saw I saw a nice blue powder coat and I've seen like Ellie is blue right I think the Ellie is blue and then the collector edition is like it's a it's a candy apple gloss red I don't think it's like metallic flake it's like it's crazy depending on the artwork cuz I think the trim level has to be like a complement of a color within the the art package but I almost think like a golden dition Wonka wouldn't be a horrible looking pin not maybe a yellow but something that's like a like a like a brass yeah you know would be kind of like a gold-plated would be kind of cool so you know that's just one of those things blue sparkle Joe says yep so blue sparkles on the Le which is pretty awesome now when you're seeing these trim levels you have to see him in person because again you look at these pictures you look at the streams you can't really see it so have we seen it we've seen the le is i right it kind of what they're bringing around to the shows well I mean I think what they were bringing around the shows where those initial yeah the games and I think that there were there wasn't anything that was collectively complete yes so there were elements of all the pins in in the few traveling games so now we're gonna see what what is final sure for sure which is pretty cool chrono 861 is asking jjp Live when will they see the C II play field artwork [Music] got another call coming in to the flipping out we did not thanks for joining us on the flipping out pinball streaming network hey what's wrong guy who's this loser kid I was calling to congratulate you guys even though bills are bounced out for it gotta go dude fan-freakin'-tastic on your one-year anniversary ups that was great stuff thanks man I appreciate it I appreciate that you listen I know you just recently uploaded an interview with Keith Ellen right on your latest episode of loser kid pinball podcast I know I don't swear I don't wanna put John spot Josh I didn't want you to feel awkward I reached out to people that I knew didn't like us so I it made it easier I thought we're buddies so I didn't want to put you in a bad spot I know I know crystal and Jason Fowler they secretly envy you guys to the point that they they probably were spitting the truth for themselves yeah I don't know if Envy's the word I would use with Dennis Jason in regards to us but you know it's it's all good fun it's it's nice having a little I don't know just we're all kind of in it to do the same thing so it's it's fun that we all get along we can have conversations you can call us on a stream and I can email you on a show and it's it's just good times like that I like it what honestly you guys I appreciate the standard you guys have raised I mean look at look a year ago before you guys started there was good shows out there but I think the bar has now been raised of what we should be doing I know what Scott and I are pretty lazy ourselves but no man that's not true at all how many episodes you guys have right now we are up to 12 so you 12 episodes in and you already had one Erik min you're on your show for an interview and then now you have Keith Ellen on your show for an interview so I mean you've got everything going for you at this point man you got the trust of the industry and you got people coming on the show and that's what it's all about stiff pay true so good job pasty little secrets to keep Ellen with Darla yeah see there we go so what's uh what's keep that one's next pin you want to do that which one Golden Girls Golden Girls did I miss like like a post somewhere where it was funnier or I just don't get the golden girl stuff I think it's like a year or two ago they were revealing yet quote-unquote yeah Lord of the Ring breath is bringing up my little pony up that's it cousin Melvin times up in Washington they really want a Golden Girls I don't know Jeff you know Jessica DiNardo from a pinball podcast but she she's like we shouldn't joke about that that's like a legit people want that man so that would have been pretty pretty limited edition I think I mean I don't I don't know how that would have to be like a homebrew or a wreath after he has a stern employee on a show for the company so my welcome to podcasting Josh you're fitting all right so tell us about oktoberfest is a theme how's that working out for you go ahead and edit this live Josh me and I appreciate calling in it's always good seeing in chat every single week and it's good correspondent with you during the week when we go through our little podcast conversations so I appreciate a man and that's for what you're doing for pinball brother thanks for bringing it thank you guys all right man we'll catch you a little bit thanks Josh please good times all right so it's always good John Roop and Scott Larson are the hosts of loser kid pinball podcast so we recommend giving them a listen I'm Ken kromm on my co-host bill Webb especially when let pinball podcast is left but there you go my partner in crime and stunt double Steve BT well booboo when I have a bad game at Steve and when I have a good game it's me how we do the flipping up pinball we're here hey thanks for joining us on the flipping out pinball streaming network well hello guys this is job or skip nat he wanted me to call in somebody in the chat earlier but none I'll leave them modest you start a little trouble in chat huh a little trouble but you know what I'll tell you this much you guys ever seen the movie Jerry Maguire sure show me the body yep so you want to know the answer to why we don't have clips that sync with the actual video yeah go Jabra go show me the money they have to so what happens with these things when when a company like Jersey Jack gets a license to fire to the Caribbean or Willy Wonka or anything like that they are not dealing with the movie studio they're dealing with the consumer products company okay so what he what they have to do is they have a certain amount of assets available to make this game with photographs pictures that they have the rights for the logo the certain assets like this that and the other thing they don't have assets to all of their individual assets of that particular thing or at least unlimited access to that okay so if on it to get film clips like let's say they wanted to have that scene in Willy Wonka where they are and I don't know because I have not seen many of the video clips I only saw the game at Midwest Gaming Classic I can't say but if they wanted that clip where they are going down the tunnel and Gene Wilder's going crazy going on yeah why Atheneum yeah I hated the movie as a kid so I don't remember much of it well let me tell you really not your Ellie job or hold on a sec you're gonna already have that actually I wrote that a third party bad check tonight going yeah at the only place I do that with so anyways long story short I got a pitch they've got to pay a shitload of money yeah it probably cost them anywhere between 500,000 and a million dollars and I think I would rather have that put into a good game and that's a sheepish the answer to it and I've worked for Warner Brothers so I I have a basis on knowing this kind of insider information yeah not even things inside the studio you couldn't do unless you paid money yeah makes sense makes sense so unfortunately it is they don't call it show friends it's called show biz that's the way everything's very segmented so it'd be virtually impossible to gather all the acts that asset on a you look at something like Pirates of the Caribbean they would not only have to pay they would have to come up with a sag AFTRA agreement for each of the actors okay so not just Johnny Depp so they paid Johnny Depp a certain amount of money then they've got to do the same with Geoffrey Rush and Keira Knightley and sure you name it and that's the way it goes so and people just think you're getting the entire movie and you can just pull things from that movie that's not how it goes on and and I see that would be if they made five thousand pins they didn't make five thousand yeah pirate so the reality is is if they make five thousand and if they make five thousand great they're gonna have probably quite a few in inventory until they they're able to do that so it's you know okay no okay now are you getting distracted there a little bit he's talking on a true mark I'm reading the chat and I might be a little bit before you or after you well the real-time 69 they were set up that way sag-aftra rules sir a lot of those things went into it you can read up about it it's just the way it is and if you know what you don't want to agree with me you don't have to agree with me it's the way it works do you think there's because I I know enough about licensing a movie assets set to know that it is segmented so I mean is there a reason like for instance is there a reason why no I guess there's none I guess everybody wants clarification but it's been discussed but I think in this specific instance there are some direct questions that some people are just wanting some direct answers for and and and I think that's where there's a little bit of there's follow-up questions and follow-up questions to is that don't have these packages together to go out to these licensed here yeah so like for example I wanted to make a really Wonka birthday singing thing that would come with like a DVD and all this kind of stuff so your kid could have a Willy Wonka birthday party and God knows why in the world you'd want to do that but anyways it's something amazing I should available to them and it's a lot of times it is clips without the audio clips without their their stuff you know all that kind of stuff and trust me these contracts get changed from 1969 on so it's not the original contractor right 69 anyway I'm trying to not get distracted by chat but yeah whatever the situation is a jobber I want you to close your eyes and I want you to finish the conversation here on the street all right all right because because because I like where you're going with this you're speaking with the experience so I appreciate I appreciate the insight yes you absolutely and here's that here's the way that it works on with this stuff to you okay even if like let's say hypothetically 1969 they all signed contracts blah blah blah signed their life away who knows what the situation is the fact of the matter is is those contracts and the reason why in 2008 there was almost a sag-aftra contract strike is that a lot of these actors as long as they are in the Union or have been a part of the Union or whatever the situation they are constantly going and finding new ways of getting money brought in to them so one of the things that was stick up in the 2008 situation was streaming rights and because that was becoming a big thing and obviously we all see how it has changed significantly in the last 10 years as far as that type of stuff is concerned right so the fact of the matter is you still have to like if I wanted to make an Elvis Presley pen and I wanted to have clips from Viva Las Vegas in there which I'm not sure if that is a movie of his or not but I'm not gonna look it up right now okay I would have to go to a state and get approval from that and and with a lot of the Wonka clips it all involves Gene Wilder you have to talk to his estate and they might have an agreement with the estate that says hey you can use these certain images from Willy Wonka for future use and all that type of stuff I don't know I haven't seen their contract neither has the other person who is who's saying I don't know what I'm talking about yeah so the reality is that's most likely the reason why that is happening that way is it's all about the money you want to increase the budget of the game and if we want to have games balloon to being 10 20 million dollars to make good luck on any of these companies existing so I would rather happy Willy Wonka pin that's fun to shoot then have voices sync with the video I think it's hard to to speculate how many pins are gonna be sold so it's hard to take a total amount of money that's gonna be dumped into assets and to be able to say well because we're gonna sell 5,000 pins it's only gonna cost $100 you want to air because it only sells a second a thousand now that's gone a $500 pin and now you've kind of affected the bottom line and the reality of the situation is - is when you are looking at this - they aren't looking for a blanket number they're looking for how many actually gets sold okay so that that percentage like let's say let's say hypothetically Johnny Depp has a writer to get a 2% share of every jjp Pirates of the Caribbean pin soul okay he gets paid on the 1 through 1,000 plus whatever the lump sum they agreed to okay and then they would then they might have to go back and pay him for the ones that they didn't produce so I I don't know I don't know what their contracts are but I do know how these licensing things work and it's all about money they don't look at it as promotion they don't look at Disney or I Disney or what Disney does because Disney still has Pirates of the Caribbean as an active brand but I guarantee you after Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and I was working at Warner Brothers when that was made yeah that was such a vaster the studio wants nothing to do with that IP ever again Beyonce slot machines and pinball machine so let's be happy that we have it and go from there I can live I can live I know if I want to watch the movie I can go up to my theater and I can pop in the blu-ray and I can watch it in my theater ya know that's the way I look at it yeah I would love I would love to have there be unlimited access to these assets but the reality of the situation they don't and it's just the way it goes right man hey you know what man a very educational in direct phone call me and I I appreciate you addressing everything he did tonight and it's always good seen you in stream and chat every single week brother oh and tonight I was mighty irritated because of the news that came out of Texas and I'm blanking on his name because he's been on my thoughts all all night the Angels picture passed away earlier today I didn't see who passed away [ __ ] what yeah yeah don't don't don't know what the situation is and I am NOT one of these whole Hummers but I am a die-hard Angels fan I'm a big baseball fan and I he's young too I mean he's not he's not that's crazy I didn't imagine I mean I'm 41 I couldn't even imagine being gone you know 15 years ago yeah yeah no that's horrible man and and you know not to make light of the situation but it's it's not a flipping out pinball stream unless there's talk about life and death because there's always a frank with you I can I can ignore He Who Shall Not Be Named and I'll be perfectly fine with that but you know they have a good day all right jabra thanks for calling in man I appreciate it in a man belong to you I am I'm gonna just my mic here a little bit so jobber weighing in with a little bit of research or experience from Warner Brothers we have to leave a can here on his own do it now we're gonna we're gonna shut the stream down maybe we're gonna we got three minutes we're gonna we're gonna do this guy's it's been it's been a fun night we're gonna stop the calls right now I wanted to go ahead and real quickly Joe Fox pin quest pinball Southwest Pennsylvania pinhead loser kid 3 pin Stadium the gun it we ended up being friends with I thought oh he's mad all andre w cat attack from mark that's awesome blacks rack and what is that one the infidel infidel our top 10 contributors to the bits tonight thank you guys so much it's it was awesome and I don't know me I'm I just I love it thank you good times man it is good time so I also want to thank Scott from pin Stadium who illuminates all the pins that come in here I'm gonna go ahead next week I'm gonna do a full demonstration on the pin stadium's on Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory because some people like stock lighting and some people like to enhance the lighting and there are pros and cons to both it is absolutely advantageous to have the pen stadiums on the stream and there's a setting on the pin stadiums that I'd like with Wonka I think works out perfectly so I'd like to show everybody that Lord of the Ring breath just dropped in with a hundred bits and I appreciate that thank you guys thank you to Zack and Nicole many of flipping out pinball for allowing us to do the streaming Thank You Steve BD for coming into the studio every single week thanks to Bill Webb who had to leave early because he's a little bit tired I'm Ken Cromwell we're from special inlet pinball podcast and again thanks to everybody that's in the chat tonight what I'll do is we'll shut down the stream I'll leave the do I even need to relieve the chat open I think the judges a lot of questions here man all right let's see if we can answer some last questions here Lord of the Rings Bret said see you guys later Oh blacks rack for a hundred bits thanks Barney he's still here I love it thank you man thank you flipping out pinball so next week we're gonna we're going to go ahead and have pin quests implemented into the streams now for those of you that don't know a lot about pin quests next week you will pin quests is going to offer us some challenges which I hope he's watching and he sees our level of play which may or may not be attainable and he's gonna give us goals every single week but we're gonna tell you how pin Quest works and we're gonna tell you how you can get involved pin quests with location pinball so that's gonna be fun are we getting any special guests in the future I'm hoping to have Joe Katz in studio here in the next week or two I've been talking to him today Joe has been hosting the jjp live stream and you've seen them here in chat so Joe let's get a date on the schedule for a Monday or Tuesday come on in are we gonna change the day when football starts Monday night that's a great question man we'll have to consider that maybe we do go to Tuesdays Lord of the Rings breath you guys topped out around 97 viewers tonight where we had 97 viewers tonight I did not realize that that's uh that's respectable very very interested so the challenges I collect the gamers is asking we'll see what the challenges are I assume it's gonna be a scoring challenge or Wonka bars collect a challenge or Golden Tickets challenge and I think there's gonna be some some some motivating things for us to make these goals so I'm excited to have pin quests come aboard and we'll it will roll them out next week Southwest Pennsylvania pinhead says have a good night have a good night Southwest Pennsylvania pinhead looking forward to meeting you at Expo ma'am Oh riddle don't we we forgot to ask the jack what the pink West should have been oh yeah we did week you know the calm real quick you think it's too late yeah no I think that's good yeah great stream thanks crying 861 I appreciate we had a lot of fun tonight cheers everybody gasoline sorry for butchering your name dude I was like g-force only worse how about gasoline Kent Cromwell idiot me not active him feisty chat tonight so again very good times wait until tomorrow when the jack interview has talked about I don't know if the jack interview is gonna be talked about but if it is somebody linked me to that because that's good times I have not been spending a lot of time on pin side as of late I've been concentrating on a couple other things and maybe Joe Katz can help shoot us some challenges so for Bill Webb who's gone and for Steve BT I'm Ken Cromwell good morning good afternoon and good evening wherever you are and don't forget to take some time out of your day [Music] what's going on pinball and welcome to the after after our segment what up double after a woo I was just talking to Steve Beatty here and he's like man we should just go to 11 o'clock and I was like well we already ended this dream yeah and then and then he says you know what we could just fire the stream back up again so so here we we're gonna fire it back up again this is what do you call it like when uh like an encore here for another 20 minutes for those of you that are yes the blank are still here in chat we're gonna fire up the pretty good stuff yeah we're gonna fire up the line again so we get some some phone call action set up do the cow Cromwell's have a beer around here yeah go in the fridge me are there's always beers in the fridge in rutte so assuming there's anybody still here let me let let me let Zack know that we just went alive we went back live Zack alright so anyhow yeah I just want to let our sponsor know that we're back live on his channel because if he signed off that would have been kind of a little bit crazy Marlin the night's still here with us man sorry Zack yeah so I don't know what but we're back live and as the viewers drop off significantly we will close it out so let me drink a little bit vodka let's go one more game of Wonka I think so Joey over do we do we walk over or talk here what the fudge Zack I I thought we were ending this and then biddies like I was waving at you man I started go to 11 I thought it was I would thought I was holding it off so yeah should we just sign it off man or should we should we just let it go we were doing an encore there were some lighters that we saw in the back of the double encore and it was like hey maybe we go back onstage and we play Freiberg no I'm gonna hang a couple more minutes the Encore now Zek you got to be like tired right don't you want to go to bed here at this point or what yeah I uh I not take Ken shoulder I was like dude I gotta go to the bathroom I'm down till 11:00 well you know it's nice and then Ken signed I didn't I didn't see it but by pretending well no not even pretending by actively ending the show we allowed everybody that that wanted to leave the opportunity to do so yeah now we're in the after after after Disney girl he's got his new world in bro there's still some are flies in her were you at Zak holy cow do you want to call in real quick and sign us off Zak yeah I mean are you up for a quick holler it would that wake up the kids for kids forgot here for I automatically think that I have three and I've got the most kids but it's not it's Zach wins with four and there are all ages from like from like four to like 24 well maybe he doesn't know the number Zach don't know his own what's the number Zach is on the screen if you want to call in but you know what if you don't that's fine too this might have been a bad idea coming back on here Steve wasn't my idea oh we're gonna get yelled at by our boss now hey man dude I just told Steve were in trouble we're gonna get yelled at by the boss gobos boo he's like that streams got to be over what are you doing I'm not gonna leave and I know that parties [ __ ] no no party and that is true that is true we kind of like we played closing time and then we turn the lights on and everybody left but then the cool people can hang out after hours why the bar gets cleaned up and we're drinking like the my eyes that they didn't sell you know see dr. Jeff damn thing now are you one of those guys that would like host the party and not what a bet until everybody was sleeping oh I may be 6:00 in the morning I would hang around with like the three people that I truly liked Bazzi 34 what's up breaking in yeah so Zach I it was a fun stream and we had a great time Jack was havin fun Jack kept me entertained I I like to like emotional turn he was happy one minute and then he like got pissy the next minute and he was like oh yeah the next you know little what made it classic were the mood swings were not altered by anything we were saying he was going through the emotional mix all on his it well I think we chat a lot to those good times for those he's still in shape we have Zach many on the line host of straight down the middle of pinball show host of this podcast we our lives let's be careful but yeah we're having a blast no joke at huge if we if we could give him on and him go through two different tutorials like one tutorial with just simple basic gameplay where things I need to be doing yes and then for him to go through like blow hello dude oh let it go what the [ __ ] is in this game for all those haters it's no it's not a simple rule set Shaq loving how shitty we are playing yeah is great it's the nicest thing anyone's ever said being in a show she in this game he's like he's like you guys suck it's why I like you guys where we are not spoiling anything 34 says have either one of you two been to Disneyworld parts I've never been I live like 50 miles from Great America and I've never been there well Great America is way different okay so how many pins can you buy from you you know what I do do first is taking your entire family of five and I watch Disney Junior I've watched Disney jr. for like 13 this trip exotic but I [ __ ] you and we're not even doing the whole business period but I can guarantee you it's going to cost me a [ __ ] Wonka seat oh yeah no no no no doubt you know you know why here's a man I hear the shock and awe is when you start charging the waters and stuff on your credit like your Disney account and then you go to check out and it's like $40,000 oh yeah so how much is that drinks beer Disney because I think Epcot Center is like beers around the world right something like that good bill bill Webb would be screwed because they just sit away with all smoking in the entire Oh Robert II literally bill Webb would die at Disney World he would be dead he's good he's good right they banned I think they banned Fanta and menthol cigarettes so he's like he's gone well we've effectively cleared out just about all of the viewers at this point we are we're hours and 46 minutes into the stream so we'll shut it down for real this time it's brutal I love it tonight can I tell you can I tell you a secret yeah because it's after after hours encore now we're not live so at one point I was bitching about the right out lane mmm and uh and then you were saying well everyone pitches about the left out lane no oh yeah the cat jumped on we had we don't have a so guess happened so then so then bill bill asked me to cut the audio did you see that he's like what is it he's like there's a reason that that left outlanes draining and I said or what is it he's like cuz there's no post there so I might need to ask you for a post I never noticed there's no post there it screws right in I just never ever thought of it I never thought to look like you gotta you got to go over and look hold on a second like they'll purposely not include it but they'll still include it in down with name like like like Eric Meunier on the out out Lane right out late on pirate there's a post there for a rubber but he didn't include the retro design did you get out throw it in all right I mean my get my guess would be that they forgot the [ __ ] install it but that was the cost-cutting measures well the standard edition most of my drains on this game we're in the right out lane and just me sucking ass and just going straight down the middle but you know I know right out link got me all kind so it's a good game I never got a ball going tonight love it so exactly this was so hard about being on vacation oh you're [ __ ] pinball loser and you're like ya know you know you know when you you know when you're a pinball loser dude is when you take the pinball machine with you on vacation people do that I guess I was in Bosnia we're kinda far as you know there's some good beers there's a Raven Raven yeah and the Raven was redeemed like Borat it's like what the hell is this reefy too soon alright I know what good times brother dispute all the analytics but that's okay it's fun I'll talk to you tomorrow man when you coming back into when you back on a vacation I'm sure will Chan it's something so be good have fun well tell me cancer alright thank the really really appreciate your work on same here but I appreciate the enabling a seaman so for real this time we're gonna close down for real for real unless anybody wants to call it right now I shut down the call I you're ready to go to like one alright get a little sloppy here so thanks again flipping out pinball Scott up in Stadium Stevie Dee Bill Webb I'm Ken Cromwell have a good