198:44did I miss like like a post somewhere where it was funnier or I just don't get the golden girl stuff I think it's like a year or two ago they were revealing yet quote-unquote yeah Lord of the Ring breath is bringing up my little pony up that's it cousin Melvin times up in Washington they really want a Golden Girls I don't know Jeff you know Jessica DiNardo from a pinball podcast but she she's like we shouldn't joke about that that's like a legit people want that man so that would have been pretty pretty limited edition I think I mean I don't I don't know how that would have to be like a homebrew or a wreath after he has a stern employee on a show for the company so my welcome to podcasting Josh you're fitting all right so tell us about oktoberfest is a theme how's that working out for you go ahead and edit this live Josh me and I appreciate calling in it's always good seeing in chat every single week and it's good correspondent with you during the week when we go through our little podcast conversations so I appreciate a man and that's for what you're doing for pinball brother thanks for bringing it thank you guys all right man we'll catch you a little bit thanks Josh please good times all right so it's always good John Roop and Scott Larson are the hosts of loser kid pinball podcast so we recommend giving them a listen I'm Ken kromm on my co-host bill Webb especially when let pinball podcast is left but there you go my partner in crime and stunt double Steve BT well booboo when I have a bad game at Steve and when I have a good game it's me how we do the flipping up pinball we're here hey thanks for joining us on the flipping out pinball streaming network well hello guys this is job or skip nat he wanted me to call in somebody in the chat earlier but none I'll leave them modest you start a little trouble in chat huh a little trouble but you know what I'll tell you this much you guys ever seen the movie Jerry Maguire sure show me the body yep so you want to know the answer to why we don't have clips that sync with the actual video yeah go Jabra go show me the money they have to so what happens with these things when when a company like Jersey Jack gets a license to fire to the Caribbean or Willy Wonka or anything like that they are not dealing with the movie studio they're dealing with the consumer products company okay so what he what they have to do is they have a certain amount of assets available to make this game with photographs pictures that they have the rights for the logo the certain assets like this that and the other thing they don't have assets to all of their individual assets of that particular thing or at least unlimited access to that okay so if on it to get film clips like let's say they wanted to have that scene in Willy Wonka where they are and I don't know because I have not seen many of the video clips I only saw the game at Midwest gaming classics I can't say but if they wanted that clip where they are going down the tunnel and Gene Wilder's going crazy going on yeah why Atheneum yeah I hated the movie as a kid so I don't remember much of it well let me tell you really not your Ellie job or hold on a sec you're gonna already have that actually I wrote that a third party bad check tonight going yeah at the only place I do that with so anyways long story short I got a pitch they've got to pay a shitload of money yeah it probably cost them anywhere between 500,000 and a million dollars and I think I would rather have that put into a good game and that's a sheepish the answer to it and I've worked for Warner Brothers so I I have a basis on knowing this kind of insider information yeah not even things inside the studio you couldn't do unless you paid money yeah makes sense makes sense so unfortunately it is they don't call it show friends it's called show biz that's the way everything's very segmented so it'd be virtually impossible to gather all the acts that asset on a you look at something like Pirates of the Caribbean they would not only have to pay they would have to come up with a sag AFTRA agreement for each of the actors okay so not just Johnny Depp so they paid Johnny Depp a certain amount of money then they've got to do the same with Geoffrey Rush and Keira Knightley and sure you name it and that's the way it goes so and people just think you're getting the entire movie and you can just pull things from that movie that's not how it goes on and and I see that would be if they made five thousand pins they didn't make five thousand yeah pirate so the reality is is if they make five thousand and if they make five thousand great they're gonna have probably quite a few in inventory until they they're able to do that so it's you know okay no okay now are you getting distracted there a little bit he's talking on a true mark I'm reading the chat and I might be a little bit before you or after you well the real-time 69 they were set up that way sag-aftra rules sir a lot of those things went into it you can read up about it it's just the way it is and if you know what you don't want to agree with me you don't have to agree with me it's the way it works do you think there's because I I know enough about licensing a movie assets set to know that it is segmented so I mean is there a reason like for instance is there a reason why no I guess there's none I guess everybody wants clarification but it's been discussed but I think in this specific instance there are some direct questions that some people are just wanting some direct answers for and and and I think that's where there's a little bit of there's follow-up questions and follow-up questions to is that don't have these packages together to go out to these licensed here yeah so like for example I wanted to make a really Wonka birthday singing thing that would come with like a DVD and all this kind of stuff so your kid could have a Willy Wonka birthday party and God knows why in the world you'd want to do that but anyways it's something amazing I should available to them and it's a lot of times it is clips without the audio clips without their their stuff you know all that kind of stuff and trust me these contracts get changed from 1969 on so it's not the original contractor right 69 anyway I'm trying to not get distracted by chat but yeah whatever the situation is a jobber I want you to close your eyes and I want you to finish the conversation here on the street all right all right because because because I like where you're going with this you're speaking with the experience so I appreciate I appreciate the insight yes you absolutely and here's that here's the way that it works on with this stuff to you okay even if like let's say hypothetically 1969 they all signed contracts blah blah blah signed their life away who knows what the situation is the fact of the matter is is those contracts and the reason why in 2008 there was almost a sag-aftra contract strike is that a lot of these actors as long as they are in the Union or have been a part of the Union or whatever the situation they are constantly going and finding new ways of getting money brought in to them so one of the things that was stick up in the 2008 situation was streaming rights and because that was becoming a big thing and obviously we all see how it has changed significantly in the last 10 years as far as that type of stuff is concerned right so the fact of the matter is you still have to like if I wanted to make an Elvis Presley pen and I wanted to have clips from Viva Las Vegas in there which I'm not sure if that is a movie of his or not but I'm not gonna look it up right now okay I would have to go to a state and get approval from that and and with a lot of the Wonka clips it all involves Gene Wilder you have to talk to his estate and they might have an agreement with the estate that says hey you can use these certain images from Willy Wonka for future use and all that type of stuff I don't know I haven't seen their contract neither has the other person who is who's saying I don't know what I'm talking about yeah so the reality is that's most likely the reason why that is happening that way is it's all about the money you want to increase the budget of the game and if we want to have games balloon to being 10 20 million dollars to make good luck on any of these companies existing so I would rather happy Willy Wonka pin that's fun to shoot then have voices sync with the video I think it's hard to to speculate how many pins are gonna be sold so it's hard to take a total amount of money that's gonna be dumped into assets and to be able to say well because we're gonna sell 5,000 pins it's only gonna cost $100 you want to air because it only sells a second a thousand now that's gone a $500 pin and now you've kind of affected the bottom line and the reality of the situation is - is when you are looking at this - they aren't looking for a blanket number they're looking for how many actually gets sold okay so that that percentage like let's say let's say hypothetically Johnny Depp has a writer to get a 2% share of every jjp Pirates of the Caribbean pin soul okay he gets paid on the 1 through 1,000 plus whatever the lump sum they agreed to okay and then they would then they might have to go back and pay him for the ones that they didn't produce so I I don't know I don't know what their contracts are but I do know how these licensing things work and it's all about money they don't look at it as promotion they don't look at Disney or I Disney or what Disney does because Disney still has Pirates of the Caribbean as an active brand but I guarantee you after Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and I was working at Warner Brothers when that was made yeah that was such a vaster the studio wants nothing to do with that IP ever again Beyonce slot machines and pinball machine so let's be happy that we have it and go from there I can live I can live I know if I want to watch the movie I can go up to my theater and I can pop in the blu-ray and I can watch it in my theater ya know that's the way I look at it yeah I would love I would love to have there be unlimited access to these assets but the reality of the situation they don't and it's just the way it goes right man hey you know what man a very educational in direct phone call me and I I appreciate you addressing everything he did tonight and it's always good seen you in stream and chat every single week brother oh and tonight I was mighty irritated because of the news that came out of Texas and I'm blanking on his name because he's been on my thoughts all all night the Angels picture passed away earlier today I didn't see who passed away [ __ ] what yeah yeah don't don't don't know what the situation is and I am NOT one of these whole Hummers but I am a die-hard Angels fan I'm a big baseball fan and I he's young too I mean he's not he's not that's crazy I didn't imagine I mean I'm 41 I couldn't even imagine being gone you know 15 years ago yeah yeah no that's horrible man and and you know not to make light of the situation but it's it's not a flipping out pinball stream unless there's talk about life and death because there's always a frank with you I can I can ignore He Who Shall Not Be Named and I'll be perfectly fine with that but you know they have a good day all right jabra thanks for calling in man I appreciate it in a man belong to you I am I'm gonna just my mic here a little bit so jobber weighing in with a little bit of research or experience from Warner Brothers we have to leave a can here on his own do it now we're gonna we're gonna shut the stream down maybe we're gonna we got three minutes we're gonna we're gonna do this guy's it's been it's been a fun night we're gonna stop the calls right now I wanted to go ahead and real quickly Joe Fox pin quest pinball Southwest Pennsylvania pinhead loser kid 3 pin Stadium the gun it we ended up being friends with I thought oh he's mad all andre w cat attack from mark that's awesome blacks rack and what is that one the infidel infidel our top 10 contributors to the bits tonight thank you guys so much it's it was awesome and I don't know me I'm I just I love it thank you good times man it is good time so I also want to thank Scott from pin Stadium who illuminates all the pins that come in here I'm gonna go ahead next week I'm gonna do a full demonstration on the pin stadium's on Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory because some people like stock lighting and some people like to enhance the lighting and there are pros and cons to both it is absolutely advantageous to have the pen stadiums on the stream and there's a setting on the pin stadiums that I'd like with Wonka I think works out perfectly so I'd like to show everybody that Lord of the Ring breath just dropped in with a hundred bits and I appreciate that thank you guys thank you to Zack and Nicole many of flipping out pinball for allowing us to do the streaming Thank You Steve BD for coming into the studio every single week thanks to Bill Webb who had to leave early because he's a little bit tired I'm Ken Cromwell we're from special inlet pinball podcast and again thanks to everybody that's in the chat tonight what I'll do is we'll shut down the stream I'll leave the do I even need to relieve the chat open I think the judges a lot of questions here man all right let's see if we can answer some last questions here Lord of the Rings Bret said see you guys later Oh blacks rack for a hundred bits thanks Barney he's still here I love it thank you man thank you flipping out pinball so next week we're gonna we're going to go ahead and have pin quests implemented into the streams now for those of you that don't know a lot about pin quests next week you will pin quests is going to offer us some challenges which I hope he's watching and he sees our level of play which may or may not be attainable and he's gonna give us goals every single week but we're gonna tell you how pin Quest works and we're gonna tell you how you can get involved pin quests with location pinball so that's gonna be fun are we getting any special guests in the future I'm hoping to have Joe cats in studio here in the next week or two I've been talking to him today Joe has been hosting the jjp live stream and you've seen them here in chat so Joe let's get a date on the schedule for a Monday or Tuesday come on in are we gonna change the day when football starts Monday night that's a great question man we'll have to consider that maybe we do go to Tuesdays Lord of the Rings breath you guys topped out around 97 viewers tonight where we had 97 viewers tonight I did not realize that that's uh that's respectable very very interested so the challenges I collect the gamers is asking we'll see what the challenges are I assume it's gonna be a scoring challenge or Wonka bars collect a challenge or Golden Tickets challenge and I think there's gonna be some some some motivating things for us to make these goals so I'm excited to have pin quests come aboard and we'll it will roll them out next week Southwest Pennsylvania pinhead says have a good night have a good night Southwest Pennsylvania pinhead looking forward to meeting you at Expo ma'am Oh riddle don't we we forgot to ask the jack what the pink West should have been oh yeah we did week you know the calm real quick you think it's too late yeah no I think that's good yeah great stream thanks crying 861 I appreciate we had a lot of fun tonight cheers everybody gasoline sorry for butchering your name dude I was like g-force only worse how about gasoline Kent Cromwell idiot me not active him feisty chat tonight so again very good times wait until tomorrow when the jack interview has talked about I don't know if the jack interview is gonna be talked about but if it is somebody linked me to that because that's good times I have not been spending a lot of time on pin side as of late I've been concentrating on a couple other things and maybe Joe cats can help shoot us some challenges so for Bill Webb who's gone and for Steve BT I'm Ken Cromwell good morning good afternoon and good evening wherever you are and don't forget to take some time out of your day