Try to compare us to another bad little fad on the Mac and I'm bad, give you something that you never had. I make it bump, bump, wiggle and shake it rump, cause I be kicking up other than make you wanna jump. How high, how high, how high, how high, how high, how high, how high, how high, how high, how high, how high. Well shoot, the sound of that 90s hip-hop tells me that it's time for another WAP episode. Jenkins, are you ready? Are you here? Oh, I'm ready, brother. I'm ready. I'm ready to jump. How are you tuning today? You're looking good. Pretty. I'm always looking good. Flox and flexing. Is that how the kids say today? Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're good. I'm off work. I'm ready for some WAP. It's been too long. Yeah, yeah. People are asking us what's going on. More WAP, more WAP, more WAP. Let's do this. There's so much to talk about, too, currently with everything that's going on. We've got rumored titles to talk about. We've got titles that have just been released. We've got cool stuff going on all over pinball. What's number one in your mind, sir? I mean, we have so much cool stuff to talk about. But first of all, we have to use five minutes on all this Canada talk. I'm tired of it. Wait, what? I'm sorry. I'm tired of it, Donnie. I mean, oh, my God. Buckle up, everybody. Yeah, but it's just – I don't want to talk about this, but it feels like every time he makes his shows on YouTube, whatever he does, He talks about pinball every Saturday. And when he's done saying all the stuff he wants to say, he talks about Don and Cengiz. Oh, no way. And every time he does that, you, me, we get screen grabs. This morning I woke up, two guys sent me audio files. And people love pinball drama. People love pinball drama. Like, pinball drama is number one. It's better than, it's pinball top one. And it's like, Canada said this. Aren't you going to say something back? Hit him back. Hit him back. More drama. More drama. I'm like, come on. The real pinball wives of the internet. We're living it. People love this. I'm here. I'm doing this for one reason only. And that's pinball love. Pinball passion. I love this. I do this show together with you. Yeah, man. And productivity goes out. Comeback. Passion and love. I love it. We had Enzo here. So much positive energy and love. Friend of the show. Yeah, our people on Patreon, so much pinball love. We have had Kale Hernandez here. Kale Hernandez. Yes. This show is usually – Jiu-jitsu champion. Oh, we love Kale here, man. Usually when we release a show, the numbers are, you know, going up in a steady line. Yeah. But now after a show like 15, 16, 18, this is number 23, when we release a show, it just spikes up. Just the first hour, bam, it feels like our peeps are just waiting. You can see the analytics just spikes up. Every time we make a new show, we have more listeners than the last show. The thing is, the show we made with Cale Hernandez. We cannot beat that show. It keeps on getting more and more listeners. So there's something magical about this guy. But positivity and pinball love, right? Love it. I mean, yeah, if I'm not having fun with it, I'd rather just not even be bothered, right? Exactly. And I'm here only for that. Very short time ago, we had Rachel Rayle filling here. He's pretty new into this. He's so excited about pinball. Yeah, love and positivity. I love it. All that negative stuff, I really don't want it. So people are hitting us up. Every time we get mentioned, people want pinball drama, right? So let's give them what they want, man. Now you're going to have to fill me in because, I mean, I don't listen to this stuff. So I wasn't aware of this until you contacted me, and we're like, he's doing it again. I mean, yeah, man. And every time he mentions us, if I just got one message, I could ignore it. But just getting multiple, multiple, multiple, get back at him, get back at him. And I'm like, I'm so tired of this. So let's just address it here because now he's saying that we're ignoring him, but he doesn't just go away just because we're ignoring him. But as I remember, we always said – That's literally how it works. But, I mean, on this show, if you go back, we just said, you know, nothing bad from here to him. We have nothing against him. He's out there saying we want to cancel Canada. But if I should cancel Canada, what do I gain? Why? In order to cancel something, you have to care about it to begin with. And I just don't care. I don't even think about it unless someone brings it up. It's like canceling a baby mama or something. Those are harder to get rid of. He's just out of my mind because I literally don't care unless someone brings it up. But it's a topic, man. I love to talk topics. And, you know, not for nothing, man, but if this was like a kayfabe wrestling deal, I think we could have a pretty interesting controversy-contributing drama rivalry going on that would, like, spurn interaction amongst everybody. But, like, he doesn't have the character for it, man. He can't play along. I mean, we're here for just have some fun, talk about pinball. So all this drama, I'm truly not interested in it. And to let our – we're having more and more news. You know what happened? You know what happened? I have a Canadian story recently. I think he posted something about the JJP homebrew, the one that's got 80 coils in it and looks fantastic. It was at the expo, and he mentioned something like – Oh, the Harry Potter homebrew. Yeah, yeah, the Harry Potter homebrew. And he's like, man, it would have been nice if it was running or if it was working. And I'm like, oh, yeah, it was, but that was probably after he got kicked out of the show. What? Did he get kicked out? Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's banned from Expo for reasons. And, you know, Dutch invited him for DPX for that whole Alice in Wonderland thing, which was just, that was perfect. That's the perfect game to put him as, like, the launch head for, just like chef's kiss. Absolutely made total sense. My God. And then, you know, security's following him around because, like, he got pointed out. And then, yeah, he got his butt escorted out eventually. And then he hung out at the lobby for a while, walking around. Why has he got headphones on all the time? Like, I was going to make fun of him, but, like, he's probably neurodivergent. Like, that's his stim to have. So I'm not going to judge him too harshly on that. But just like a weird cat, man. Do you know why he has been banned? I mean, I see people have banned him from car forums and Neo Geo Arcade. He's been banned from everywhere. Do you know? But I don't know why. Do you know why? Probably the charming personality. I think it stems from the fact that, like, people that are involved in running the show are just, you know, irritated with putting up with him and the stuff he does and the attacks and the throwing drinks at people and yelling at women and all that business. And then so one year he snuck into the show early, not that that's hard to do necessarily, and was live streaming, and then they had a legitimate reason to be like, look, no more, dude. you know goodbye and so then he sat it out for a couple of years and then you know dpx got involved and brought him in and so then i guess he felt like well i'm invited now i'm entitled to this right you know that that gen z mentality right like i i have this entitlement syndrome i need to be here don't you folks know who i am look at my headphones look at my grandma jeans and so then uh security had pointed him out during a live stream or something and then like you know walked his butt back and then he just like haunted around the lobby for a while until i guess he lost interest and then left i don't know it was really weird to watch you know okay okay so we get new people in here and people are so you know just to let them know what's going on first of all you don't talk with chris right right yeah okay i want you to start just explain so everybody knows what's going on you have been invited to stern or jjp um release parties yeah Have you been somewhere where Chris was there also? One time. One time. And what was that? You want the story? All right. So the background is I started a pinball podcast a couple years ago just for fun to see what would happen. And I was having a good time with it. And like everybody else, I was watching Kaneda. I was in his live chats and whatever. And, you know, he picked up on my screen name that it was a competing pinball podcast. and then he kind of was doing this frenemies thing where he was, you know, I guess busting my balls is the way they say it. He's just kind of being rude and stuff. But I've got thick skin. I can handle that, whatever. You know, so it's going on, and he's, you know, kind of mentioning me during his live streams in depreciating ways and punching down or whatever. Fine, I can deal with it. You can make fun of me. I'm big enough. I can handle it. And then, you know, he switched his vision to Colin from Kineticist when he took over Twip or something, thinking that he was responsible for booting him off the Twippies or some kind of crazy third-grade drama, right? And so I was doing a live stream. I was out of town at work or something, just trying to get my feet wet in the whole social atmosphere. And my wife, she jumps on live streams and things too. So he's going after Colin in the chat or something, and she just mentioned, like, hey, dude, this is like bully behavior. This is like why people have a problem with you. Maybe don't do this, and it wouldn't be that big of an issue. And then he fires back some kind of rude comment at her. While that's going on, he's texting me, like sending me messages, calling my phone. And I'm doing a live stream. I don't see any of this. And he's like, you know, your wife is messing this up for you. Like I need him for exposure or something. You know, he's like, you need to put a leash on her and tell her where the F to go and stuff. And so I finished this live stream where I'm just talking about, I don't know, it was like James Bond or something, whatever it was at the time. And then I get all these messages on my phone and like voicemail and stuff. And then the final message was like, all right, if you're going to ignore me, we're done. You know, like, like we just broke up or something. And I'm like, what the hell even is this? You know, so I text them back like, dude, I was just doing a live stream. Like, what the hell is happening? And I find out about all this, you know, like later on, you know, I talked to my wife and she was like, yeah, I just jumped in there. And I was like, dude, why don't you stop doing this? You know, whatever. And so I was like, all right, fine. Then I'm banned from his Patreon and all this business. And he like cut all ties and stuff. And I'm like, look, dude, if the garbage is going to take itself out, I'm going to let it. Like, I don't care enough to try to get in his good grace. I'm not trying to join his channel, you know. I was just another guy in the chat just having fun with pinball, right? And I've continued doing that to this day. So fast forward, I finally get to meet this guy in person. I was invited to JJP for their launch of Avatar, like come play in the factory early, you know. And a bunch of us were. Kale was there, you know. Jack was there by Zoom. Ken Cromwell, all the Jersey Jack people. It was fantastic. They fed us Jimmy Johns. I loved it. So, like, I'm sitting there, and I heard he was invited, and it's like they can invite whoever they want. You know, I don't tell my friends. What? Did they invite Chris to JJP? They did, yeah. He got an invite, right? What? I don't believe that. You know, I've been to the Stern stuff, and I've only seen him there at the factory once. It was actually during this JJP tour. But, you know, like, we're all in the conference room. You know, we shut up on time. We talk to each other. We sit down. The presentation is getting ready to start. Dude comes in late. you know, obviously. So, you know, he wouldn't have a chance to mingle when we weren't in front of like the JJP folks. I'm on some good behavior. Cause I'm a guest in their house. Right. You know, and he goes around the room, like shaking everybody's hands, wearing his, you know, his, his STEM headphones and his grandma jeans. And then like, he goes up to shake my hand. Like the guy hasn't said a thing to me good since he like, you know, told me to yell at my wife or whatever. And then he's like, you know, Hey, brother or something. And I'm like, you know, if I had done that to somebody, I would expect a curb stomping, right? I would expect my dick stomped in the dirt, you know, but I'm in somebody else's house, so I'm being polite. And I told him, you know, politely but firmly, you know, fuck the hell off away from me. I don't want anything to do with any of this, you know. And this happens, he comes in too late, so everybody's looking. Right, yeah, so we're all sitting down, you know, because we were mingling in the lobby, we were mingling in the offices, you know, talking and stuff. where we were in the parking lot 15 minutes earlier. And I'm looking around. I don't see the guy anywhere, so whatever. Could have settled it there. But he's like a no-show until we're just about to start, and then he walks himself in. It was probably a strategic move on his part. Whatever. I'm not going to read into it. He could do whatever. And I basically just ignored him the whole time and just did my own thing and had fun. But professionally, I treat mental illness and social disorders and things, and so I see some flags. And so I was a little uneasy the whole time. I had to make sure I knew where the safe exit was in the room, kind of keep an eye on this guy because there were no metal detectors when we went in there. I don't know this guy. I don't know him. I know his internet persona, and I know what he texts me in person. And if you're going to have your character that you play, I think that's totally fine. If you were to text me in the background like, hey, I'm doing this thing online. We're still cool. I'll talk to you later. Don't be mad. It would have been fine. you know, and we could have been like friends behind the scene that we could have maintained these like antagonistic personas. And I think it would have played off each other really well. You know, I could play baby face. He could play heel. Like I know wrestling. I know kayfabe, man. I live it every day, you know, and then I could do a heel turn in season three and like, we'll drive engagement, you know, back and forth. But like, that's not the energy that I got that those weren't the flags that I saw. And so it's just kind of like, all right, I got to keep a side eye on this guy. I'm trying to check out avatar, you know, is he going to try something? I don't know what he's capable of because I don't know the dude. And everybody who's been friends with him is not friends with him anymore. And I know a lot of people like that. And I know just the best thing is to stay away. If you get kicked out of a club, don't go back in because, you know, all they're going to do is find a way to kick you out again when it's convenient for them. Like don't give them that chance. You know why? So you're sitting there at JJP and everybody's eyes are on you two guys and he wants to give you a hug and say what's up, brother, and you said no? Yeah. How did you react on that? He was like, really? And I'm like, yup. I didn't swear, although I would have if we were at the parking lot. But I was like, made it just completely firm. I don't want anything to do with anything you have going on at all, ever. I would start by contacting Monica, your sweet wife, and say sorry to her first. You know, when her over first because the things he said like putting her on a – I can't even say it, but you know what I mean. The idea to do that probably doesn't even occur to a guy like this. Now, I don't know him personally. I just know like I get tons of anecdotes about this dude. And, you know, as far as I care to dig into it, I've been satisfied with what I've seen. So, you know, but the whole thing was just kind of sad. I mean we were at Interium later that evening for an event, you know, and it was catered. It's a big arcade. They do IFPA tournaments and stuff. And, like, I'm having fun. You know, I did a little wardrobe change, you know, and I'm, like, having a good time in Chicago with the JJP folks. There's free food. There's Avatar. There's games. And the whole time he's just kind of skulking in the back. And I'm just like, God, if I cared, I'd pity this guy. Because it's just like, what's even the point of all this energy travel all the way out to these places just to didn't look like he was having fun at all. And I get it. The reason he does it is for $3,000 a month on Patreon. I get it. If he could do the same thing with watches, if he was allowed in Neo Geo, he'd probably be doing that. But he found this little niche that seems to work. It's just, you know, like I'm so busy normally. I haven't a job. I've got a wife. I've got a house. I've got all this stuff. Two houses. I've got three above ground pools I've got to maintain. So, like, the spare time I do have, I want to devote to having fun stuff. And I can't imagine, like, being in his space where, you know, his spare time is spent on this kind of crap. That doesn't seem fun to me. Maybe it's his kink. Like I'm not going to kink shame, but like it just seems ridiculous, you know, if I were to put myself in his space. But then I've got empathy. I'm not psychotic. So there you go. Yeah. But, Donnie, people are different. People that are listening to our show, I mean, some say we are positive. They get in a good mood. They want to turn their pinball machines on after they listen to our shows. And, you know, they're one kind of people. But there's also this, you know a lot about psychology. You're a doctor, man, freaking doctor. I love it. But, you know, negative people, 90% of a guy that's under the water, he's drowning, he will take his arms up and he will grab onto somebody else and take them down with him with their negativity. And they just feed on negativity. This is just one-on-one, you know, psychology talking here. and I just, I don't want to be a part of that. I just get turned off with negativity. It's just, it's nothing for me, but some people likes it and more power to them. I have nothing to do with them. I don't want to be a part of that. If you're dating somebody, you're willing to put up with quite a bit, but like, I'm not dating this guy, right? There's no, there's nothing there to bring me back in. So like, I literally don't care. I do catch an occasional live stream if it pops up But like as far as this Patreon stuff I don have access to any of it And I haven even tried I mean obviously I could start a fake account Obviously I could just have somebody give me their password or people could just send it to me but I just don care enough. Okay, so dear listener, that's Don's story. Now you know why Don is... why Don doesn't want to shake his hand with Chris. Okay. Cool. Now I want to share my story so everybody knows what's going on yeah yeah okay my story is not that interesting dunny so i've been friend friends with this guy for some time we had a great time we made a lot of videos on my youtube channel with a lot of fun yeah i i lost subscribers people were angry why are you making shows with this guy i mean my first show i lost about 50 60 subscribers they were so angry and i was like what's going on but I didn't do anything about it so we made a lot of pinball shows and you know time went on and we started to talk other things than pinball so we became friends and it was so cool I really liked the guy so one day he just he hits me up and it was early for me so it must be night time for Chris and he just calls me and he just says now this this is when he wins me over he he says jengis i really appreciate our friendship you're a great friend to have so he says stuff like this to me and i it was just a morning for me just random bam i was like whoa this guy is great look at how he acts and talks you know so yeah yeah i was like cool man what a nice guy so time passes by and all of a sudden i'm in one of his shows and he starts with no reason just fuck Cengiz and he just yeah 120 at them yeah so I was like what the heck is going on I didn't understand it so I cut my ties with him that was it and then he made a lot of apology videos and it was really sweet so I jumped back after a long time I jumped back and I said Chris I just want to be you know neutral friends with you you know just say hi or be on your shows just neutral but not close okay so we became friends and over time we had fine friendship again uh until a guy called carrie hardy he made a very hateful video with john wick not having guns on the playfield and don't support stern and blah blah blah and that just triggered me. That was a high point in pinball content. Yeah, yeah. I should just ignore it, but I didn't. It just triggered me. Every time people say, don't buy Stern, don't support Stern, it just triggers me. Okay, so I made a video and I was like, who cares about guns? Chill out. And he took that video, spit out my voice, and put Hitler stuff in. Extremist, that was too much for me. I don't like extremist stuff like people blowing them up and all that shit. I don't get it. Extremist, that's not me. Okay. I'm just a happy guy. So Chris hits me up and he's like, look at what this Kerry guy is doing. Let's do a show together. And I was like, oh, my goodness. So we should make a show. Three days, four days, five days went by. So I hit him up. I was like, should we do a show together? and yeah, yeah, we're going to do it, we're going to do it and then he made his Saturday, what's it called? Fucktacular, I think. Yeah, yeah. So I was there and all of a sudden, we're cool friends and nothing there. All of a sudden he's there and he is laughing about what Kerry has done and he's saying it was so fun and making fun of it. I was like, what? This is some two-faced stuff for me. So I hit him up. I called him and I just say, you know, Chris, this is not cool. You say one thing to me and you're different online and people knows you and I together because we do stuff, content online. So this is not cool. I don't want to be enemies with you, nothing like that. I just want to be neutral with you. You know, I can be on your shows, but I don't want to, you know, what's going on with the family, talking about our kids, nothing like that. Exactly. Yeah, that's what I want. Okay, just cut the ties like that. So for three weeks, every Saturday I'm at his shows. I'm listening. I'm writing something, but neutral like everybody else. Okay, that's how I want it. Three weeks later, you and I, we hook up and we make this WAP show. Okay, so he goes online all of a sudden. he spits on the microphone like crazy like now jengis he is wearing t-shirt from my enemy um flipping out pinball he's in bed with my enemy so he was so angry that i was supporting flipping out on my youtube channel and he just i i love what zach and greg bone is doing it's pinball positivity imagine calling those guys your enemy he did this online this is not nothing for me personally he did this on on a live show so yeah i was in bed with his enemies and these two guys you know zach and greg they do pinball positive stuff and i get drawn with you know positivity and happiness that's just how i am i love it so he was so angry with that and i made show pinball show with Don and that show will just tank after the third show. Yeah. It would be junk and you were a bitch and I were a bitch and we were bitches and he was apeshit. Completely apeshit. And I got banned from his Patreon and he blocked me and you know. Yeah. Yeah. So just went apeshit and all this time I'm like he knows that I like what Zach is doing So I do wear their t-shirt. I'm from Denmark, guys, and Zach has this show in U.S., and he's a seller in U.S. He does great support when he sells his pinball machine, so great that me here in Denmark, I hear from these buyers how well Zach is doing his business with his wife. So I love stuff like that, right? We need great service in the pinball industry. I love it. So I support him, and I see nothing wrong with that. Don and I, great friends, great friendship. I love this guy. Pinball love, pinball positivity. If I want to make a show with him, do I need to have permission from another guy? I mean, come on. Here's when you know that you're looking at a box of red flags, okay? Friends don't tell other friends who they can be friends with, right? Exactly. Yeah, so if anybody's doing that to you, like they're abusing you, man. Get out. Like that's a sign. And it happens in hobbies like this. I went through something similar back in some coaster days. It was a guy that lorded over this roller coaster Internet forum, right? And I had friends that started their own, and we were having fun. We were all friends with each other. And then something happened where, like, he didn't like that this other guy was getting attention on his Internet forum, right, as stupid as that is. And so he said, ultimatum, if you're a member of this forum, then you'll be banned from my forum. So he made people choose if they wanted to. And it's like, in our world, it was almost like Pinside versus WAP or something, you know? The other forum was called Gap. It was Ghetto Ass Paradise just because it was just roller coasters for fun, man, just friends hanging out at parks, meeting up, doing trips and stuff. And he's like, if you're a member of the Ghetto Ass Paradise, you're banned from theme park review. It's like, if you're going to make me choose, I'm going to choose the guy that's not asking me to choose. Like, that's stupid. you know so the fact that like this is this this is the same dude man like i know guys like this you know if you're friends with him you're not friends with me so you know if you want to get my content you have to agree with everything that i say and like i'm not gonna internet turf battle dude i didn't like doing that when i was 20 i'm not gonna do it at 40 you know i didn't even do that when i was 10 come on man like grow a set what are you doing but can can you imagine having this i mean he blocked me everywhere and then people recorded an hour-long show sending me these video clips everywhere and like he is spitting fire he's shitting on you on dawn and you're in bed with his enemy and your we're pinball show will just imagine imagine having a pinball enemy what kind of fragile ego is that that's some gen z energy right there so the thing is the thing is now i know people are calling this guy uh chris they're calling him narcissist i i never googled that i don't know i'm not even sure what narcissist is it's a polite way of saying asshole okay okay so chris's chris's stuff is his problem is and i have found out about I'm not calling him a narcissist, nothing like that, nothing negativity. His problem is, he jabs at you, okay, he does some unnecessary shit at you, so you get angry, and he does this in a public way, okay, so you get angry, and very short time later, he forgets everything about it and he just says time has passed this is 2025 bird the hatchet water under the bridge forget about it dude i've i've said to this guy so many times on phone let's just wait to me doing this shit against you and i can say come on just forget about it if he just calls me or writes to me and says you know what sorry for calling you bitch and all of that shit because i'm here on the on the other side of the phone i'm like i don't feel this kind of hate towards him there is this i don't know if other media creators will be angry at me but i'm gonna say it you know just just politely and say there is this is it called movement there is this people are tired of hearing bullshit from him getting i don't want to say attack from him but you know yeah called yes so people are the media creators they're like let's smile to this guy let's say hey chris we're good friends not behind his back they're still hateful every one of them yeah but his face they're just smiling and by doing that they are in you know they're not in his spotlight so he doesn't say it so i want that too i just i just I have no problem stepping right in the direction of his headlights, and that doesn't bother me at all. Like, imagine how much of a simp you have to be if, like, you're like, oh, hey, wife, yeah, I know this guy said crap about you, but I'm going to still support him online because I don't want to get banned from his Patreon and won't be able to listen to his spectaculars, man. Like, I couldn't live with myself if I simped like that. You know, get out of here, box of red flags. I just don't get this water under the bridge, brood of hedge. Yeah. I mean, if because now he has unbanned me and he has. Yeah. And he has said to his supporters, contact Cengiz and tell him that he is not blocked anymore. You need to go over there right now and apologize and thank him for doing that because he didn't have to do it. Can you imagine how many people said that to me? Oh, you're not banned anymore. You can talk to him. And I'm like, all this time, I'm like, he created this problem. He created this for this long time. And now he's creating, come on, contact me back. And all this time I said, you know, I don't want to be close to this guy, but I don't want to be, you know, unfriended or what's it called? I don't want to be enemy with this guy. I don't know if you have this turn of phrase in Denmark, Mark, but it's almost like you got kicked out of a ball pit full of piss, and then all of a sudden they're like, okay, you can go back in now. And it's like – You don't have it, but I get it. I don't want to go back into the piss balls. Why? No, I hate that. I mean, we're using a lot of time, precious time on our show, but you know what? Everybody that listens to our show, they know about Chris' show also. And if he didn't mention you and I, then nobody would contact us, and this wouldn't happen. This is one time only. And I just want to say, Chris is listening. Donnie, every time you release a show, the first people that are listening to a show are not your patron people. The first guys that are listening to a show is other pinball media content creators like ASAP. Trust me, brother. I've been making YouTube videos for years and years now. First comments I'm getting are from other pinball media creators. Okay. I will say everybody is entitled to having a good time from We Are Pinball, including Chris the podcaster. Yes. So he's entitled to a good time just like anybody else. This is put out there for free. So, you know, have at it, man. Feed your ego if that's what you need. It detracts nothing from me for you to derive enjoyment from this. Have at it. I don't want to hang out with you. God. We're not here to cancel Canada. Okay, we're not here for that. And you, listener, if you love his stuff or even like it or hate listening to it just because you find enjoyment from it, have at it, man. I'm not telling you to choose between, you know, if you listen to him, get the fuck out of here. Like, no, I'm not going to tell you to do that. Have fun. I'm not going to judge you. I just don't associate me with him as if I support that stuff. I mean the thing he was shouting and calling us bitches and all that stuff, one of his issues was on one of my videos I was wearing, was it Hugo Boss t-shirt or something like that? Oh, how dare you. And he was shouting, it wasn't Gucci, it was Hugo Boss, and he was so angry about that. So people make these memes with this boss-ass cat that was wearing Hugo Boss, which was me, and this woman that's pointing on the cat. You're a bitch. You're a bitch. You're a bitch. So people started making these memes, and I was like, oh, my God. What's going on? Why? I mean, why? So I just want to round everything up. Chris, dear Chris, I have nothing against you. I'm not in bed with no enemies of you or nothing like that. I just want to be neutral. If you want to call me, just call me. No hate from here. And please, just please don't mention me on your shows. That's it. No negativity. And if you become a Patreon supporter, if you pay us $100 every month, then you can come on in and join our show on We Are Pinball. You can talk to Donnie. Absolutely. That was one time we actually mentioned you because we were laughing, and I was like, Donnie, so we have issues with this guy. What would you do if he gave us $100 like others are doing? And he was like, oh, man. He's got so much money that's nothing to him, man. I'm surprised he hasn't done it. Yeah. I hope he will join. He is most welcome. So, Chris, no hate, no nothing, no negativity. Please, let's, I'm saying please, me, me, I'm saying please, let's just stop this. And what does it, bury the hatchet or what you want to call it. Because sometimes he says, Cengiz took his ball and went home. Or Cengiz is, he's sensitive. It's nothing like that. It's just when you say one thing to me as a friend and go online and say something completely else, then it's – if Don did shit like that, then I will react. You know, every close friend would react like that. Don't you get it, Don? How do you feel about it? If I'm standing next to a portable toilet and it smells like shit and I walk away from it, that's not me taking my ball and going home. That just means I don't want to hang out by the stinky porta potty. and if the port-a-potty wants to say i took my ball and went home then that's fine believe that doesn't hurt me at all to be honest um he called me i mean he he has a very very sweet son um killian he called me almost every day and i watched on video live i watched killian grow up and it was just i'm very i have a lot of empathy in me so i really miss that i really miss i mean How is he? Is he talking fluid now? Is he running around? How is he? I haven't seen. And that's the only thing I'm angry about towards Chris. I not seeing how Killian is doing That it Other than that I have nothing against him People are saying I mean to be honest we are getting mails We getting mails One of them, wait, one of them. So why do you hate Chris this much? He has just lost his best friend. Please contact him and see how he's doing. I mean I didn't put this on did he send that to you yeah we're getting yeah I don't know what he did but he lost his best friend I don't know if he poked at him and then said it's just water under the bridge I don't know what happened and people are like he's losing his friends I don't know what he's doing water under the bridge was the same thing that rollercoaster guy said after I got banned from his stuff, you know, and then I was making roller coaster DVDs that he wanted to sell on his site, and he's like, water under the bridge, and then of course it happened again, so that's when I learned my lesson, like, if people like this, just take them at whatever their face value is, and when they tell you who they are, believe them, you know, judge them by their actions, and then just don't get burned again, don't put yourself in that position. I'm not going to be, you know, I'm not going to have a friendship with him just like you and I. That's not – I mean he burned me twice now, and if it happens a third time, then I'm the idiot. Right. Yeah, but I just want to be – just like everybody else that was on his hate wagon that is like, hey, Chris, how are you? Canada hate wagon. That's a good place to be. I just want to be neutral with this guy. So next time he's done talking about pinball, he doesn't mention me. Then he will say this other guy is an idiot or something. So, Chris, I have nothing against you. I hope you're – do you know what his new boy is called? I don't, and I'm fine with that. Okay, okay. I hope he's doing great, and I hope Killian is doing great. I wish the best for him. I'm not on a canceled Canada thing. Nothing. just nothing if you want to talk hit me up it will be pinball talk it will be neutral talk if you want to talk with don be a patreon supporter and i can connect you and don that's it please just no hate no negativity no more i i it's just not me man be like cale hernan this and you will be my best friend okay be like that or or let's discuss some ground rules so we can do this war properly i mean come on i'm just not into i'm a grown i'm an old guy i'm not here to fight i'm here to play pinball release day pinball pinball shows guys don was just on a show pinball at the beach oh yeah right yeah guys usually i would like i want to be there blah blah blah it's so cool i love these shows you know new game releases all these great guys he's sending me videos he's sending me pictures he's sending me everything we're like people are wearing our we are pinball t-shirts people are saying jingis you're so cool i feel like i'm at that show i don't even need to visit that show just don is it's so cool that was multiple people that came up and they're like don i just want to tell you i love what you and jingis are doing i listen to every episode i love it i'm like finally i'm like let me record this and send this to him this is amazing like that was multiple times that happened oh my god i just woke up and i'm getting these videos and it's like so much love so much love and i'm just thank you to everyone that's just you know with this kind of support and you know what we were told in the beginning we were are you waving at me what's going on monica to wave to you she's creeping around hi monica how are you hello okay sorry to derail everything oh it's perfect man such a sweetheart so yeah yeah chris said this show with tang after first show now you can see we got 50 supporters 100 supporters people are getting our t-shirts more and more listeners so much love so much positivity i it's it's so i want to do this show every day with you if we could it's so cool and t-shirts are now in stock, every color, every size, WAP logo, $25, shipped to the US. WeArePinball69 at gmail.com and get you one. Chris, get yourself one. I got some mediums here somewhere. I mean, if Chris is interested, he will get it for free. I just want him to wear the WeArePinball t-shirt and send me a picture. That could be awesome. But other than that, our Facebook group, WeArePinball, getting more and more people in there. It has its own life now. It's so good because this is a community. This is not just a podcast show. Yeah, it's so cool. And our Patreon page, Donnie. The support we're getting in there, it's just so much positivity. It's like our kids in there, man. I got to hang out with Jeremy, the Mustang, down at Pinball on the Beach. It was awesome, dude. Yeah. We have to thank Jeremy for giving us $50 every month. Thank you, Jeremy, the Mustang. Boo! We have to thank Enzo, 50 bucks support. Thank you, Enzo. We want you on the show. Baby, everything. Enzo, get on here, dude. Yeah, yeah. Also, 100 bucks supporter, the real velvet. Steve, yeah, Jeremy Cox, how you doing, sir? I just need to get his T-shirt size, and then I've got a mod ready for him and his T-shirt that I will send out to him. We need to have him on the show also. Yeah, but you got to email so I have an address. If you message, it gets lost. I can't find it when I go to do the mail. Email, I know where it's at. I can find it. I can search for it. Yeah. And, Donnie, I also want to thank you, my friend. Oh, shucks. You went out. You get this T-shirt pressing stuff. You are making mods for our patrons. You are sending stuff out. And, peeps, yes. we are getting some hundreds every month on Patreon. Don didn't touch that money. Like every second week he writes to me, oh, we're getting more and more money. You need to get half of it. He writes this, but I appreciate the support, but I still haven't got no nothing. It's not about that. Don is doing this from his own pocket, his own precious time. I just want to thank you, Donnie. You're a sweetheart for doing this. I mean, you could say you have to do half of it, something like that. You do so much stuff, Don. I just want to thank you. I mean, so cool. The friendship we have got gained through this hobby, I'm so thankful. It's so great. Every time I talk to you, I fell in love with pinball again. It's beautiful. I'm having so much fun. I love that I have an outlet that I can do this stuff with. I love making shirts and sending them out and mods and everything. Yeah. And I want to keep building this, dude. Let's do an event, man. Let's do like a – we've got to do a Copenhagen summer pinball day at your locations. We go hang out at Tivoli. We go to Bakken. I want to go to Bon Bon Land. Southern Denmark's got some awesome theme parks and beer gardens, and it's European as F, man. We have the first. We have the oldest theme parks over here, and we have a huge collection with all the pinball machines over here. We have everything. We have been talking about make a huge Patreon invite and have a lot of pinheads. It could be. That's a dream, man. I've been a lot of places, and as far as how attractive the average person is, I think Denmark's kind of at the top. I'm just going to say. I mean, don't judge just by Cengiz, but like, my God, man. The thing is, our listeners, when we go into analytics, like 70% of our listeners are still, we love them, from the United States of America. Thank you. USA. But second highest is Canada. Canadian supporters. So cool. But third is not Denmark. It's Australia, man. Hell yes. I need to get a bin chicken button for those guys. Australia is fantabulous, man. Yeah. Enzo is saying we have a huge supporter group in Australia. Woo. So cool. I love it. Number four is UK, United Kingdom. Number five is Germany. Number six is Denmark. Come on, Danish people. What's going on? But, yeah, love the support. It's so beautiful. So those five minutes about Canada's Pinball Podcast and all of that, we just want to round it up and say no hate from here. Please, just stop with this bitch and hate and stuff like that. so and if you want to talk we can talk just neutral okay neutral no hate no nothing let's close that down please never send no clips nothing about canada to me if we talk again i will just jump into his saturday shows and when don feels like it he can do the same so no more okay and Chris, please, nothing more, okay? Please stop. Good. Let's talk pinball, man. Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So Donnie was at Pinball at the Beach. Pinball at the Beach. Yeah. Thank you for the videos. Thank you for everything. But we got released another pinball machine from Pinball Ramps or Ramps Pinball. Jesus Christ. Yes, we did. Absolutely. So the Ramps Road Trip from Ramps Pinball Manufacturing, formerly Tilt Bob, Bob Niles, the homebrew creator of Elf, has got a pinball company. He's launching. And so they brought a game to Pinball at the Beach to play, which was fantastic. Thank you for bringing your prototype game for us to play. I love playing new pinball more than just about anything else. And so it was the first stop I made. Walking in the door. I walked by it. Yeah. Wait. You said his company was called Tilt Bob because his name is Bob. And so it was – Tell me. Give me 10 seconds. Tell me about what – he had a company. He sent out pinball machines or – No, no. That was the original name of this project. And then they had released images and talked about they're doing road trip as the theme and everything. The story that I heard is when they went to trademark the name in the U.S., they had trouble. It got kicked back because they were trying to trademark the name of a pinball park. And so then they changed the name to Ramps. Ramps is the name of the raccoon in the game of Road Trip. And so now you ask me, I think Ramp is also a pinball part, but somehow that was okay. But that's the evolution of this. I've been following this when news would pop up about it because new pinball, I want to play all new pinball, man, no matter what. And, yeah, I got to do that. so let's talk about this game so i got a lot of images a lot of videos people are saying i'm yes we are pinball shields and all of that but people are saying rams pinball cannot shoot the ball up the ramps right correct well yeah it it can sometimes uh so i'm not judging this game too harshly right now. This company is not asking for money. They don't have their final product out. They brought this game early to get feedback. And I think there's not a problem with that. Chris Turner did the same thing at Expo a couple of years ago with Ninja Eclipse when it was in half of a cabinet and was $12,000. And he got a lot of feedback. And he took that and turned it into a successful machine that sold out its 100 run and people are getting their Ninja Eclipses and loving it. So it's not bad to do this, you know. If you're Stern and you've been around forever, you wouldn't bring your prototype game to a show and get feedback. No. But you're Stern, right? You've got a pedigree. You know, these guys have no backstory or history other than this guy made a pretty good homebrew game about Elf, right? So it makes sense to bring it, right? It makes sense to bring it. Now, whether it's Flip or Power, that's always the secret sauce, man. You can't just buy the stern coil and expect it to perform like the stern coil. There's a lot of programming behind that special sauce. The main feature of this game is that carousel in the middle with the functions as a ramp diverter. There's three different ramps it can take. The problem was at the entrance, it had to be pretty specific to get the ball up there without rattling. So maybe that could be opened up a little bit since it is the main thing in the game. You want people just to walk up and be able to play it. also a little bit of oomph was needed or the ramp is too steep or the rotisserie is too high uh but you know yeah shots that i felt were fair that went up there would end up rolling back and it just it sucked a lot of the fun out of it exactly i have mixed feeling about this i do because i understand bringing a prototype game to a show let people knock it around and get feedback He is getting a lot of feedback, a lot of experience with what's going on, what could be fixed. I mean, yeah, that part I understand. But the business guy in me, I am business sales guy educated. The business guy in me says, so this guy wants to sell these games. According to the rumors, he wants to sell 500 of this game. In today's market, if you want to sell 500 of this, we don't know the price yet. I mean, is it on? If it's a Stern Pro, I get it. If it's more than Stern Pro, oh, my God. That's just how I feel. Difficult. Yeah. If you want to do this, this is not a good way to do it. This is not a good way to present your game. This is not a good way to hook people. It's not. And the third guy in my head, you know, how would this game be on a location? It will suck on a location. Really. Nobody would put quarters in this game. No one. So there's a lot of aspects in it. I have a counterpoint to that, and I'm going to remind you about a game that was released about a year or so ago called Punny Factory that was accepted exceedingly poorly, I would say. It wasn't a sales juggernaut or anything. Very weird game, weird theme Brand new manufacturer Pinball Adventures Out of Canada And this guy He wanted to make this game He made a book about puns And then he adapted that To the pinball machine And damn it, he made it And if you bought one, you got one So no problems there This game was bought by the Mad Pinball folks In Ohio and there's probably not one Punny Factory on location. They bought this game and they took it out on location and this thing actually earned more than it cost just because of its novelty factor. It's the only one out there and it's not terrible playing it. It's not the most complex game ever, but it's a new pinball machine that you cannot find anywhere. So it actually out-earned its cost and they actually made money on the thing. Now, this wasn't 500 that are out there in arcades. I don't think 500 punny factories would earn back their cost. But this one did. So there can be a reason for every machine. But for 500, a hard sell, man. That's difficult. Again, depending on the price. Depending on the price, right? If you're asking $2,800 for this thing, yeah, it's fine. Of course. Yeah, for sure. If you're asking $12,000 for it, absolutely not. So I'm sure the sweet price is somewhere between those two extremes. And so, you know, if they were asking for $4,000 deposits for a $12,000 game based on what they've shown, they're going to get a lot of hate, absolutely. If you're asking for no deposit and $2,500 and we have them in boxes right now, I'm going to applaud you. So it all depends on what the final product ends up looking like. But yeah, man, I think at least if they can get this ramp issue fixed before the final release, it has to happen. So every time a new pinball producer pops out, the first thing I always say is copy Stern. Just copy Stern and you'll be successful. So first of all, making a pinball machine in 2025 without a known theme is a huge fail. You need to have some sort of theme that's, I know it can't be Harry Potter, but still relevant theme. That's so important today. That's the first fail, relevancy. It just needs it, Donnie. That's the first thing. Second thing, this is the first time they come up with a pinball machine and they're limited to 500. That's just too much. Look at Spooky. They just had 12 years of anniversary game number 10 or something and they released like was it 800 Evil Dead 888 yeah Yeah yeah And, you know, that didn't sell out in day one. Like, they used to with, you know, Stern games, they could sell in first hour. Those days are over. They're just over. It's a new reality today. So that's a fail completely. artwork have you seen pinball artwork in 2025 yeah so they are amazing you cannot come up with artwork like this it's not it's not stinky bad i'm not saying that but it's not x-men it's not evil dead good you know remember remember when you walked in the arcade and you had a pocket full of tokens or coins and you're like okay i have this much i can probably play two games and you walked up and down the line and you're like, each game costs the same amount. Which one am I going to play? Indiana Jones, Twilight Zone, Crouch Tales. What am I going to do, right? So imagine now you have $5,000 in your pocket and you can walk around the pinball show and there's a Mandalorian for $4,800. There's a Venom Pro you could get. There's a Star Wars and then there's ramps. And for that same amount of money, you can get a Star Wars Pro, right? You can get a Mandalorian for the start. Like you can go find a Halloween probably And it would have a more recognizable theme, better animations, better art, more deep gameplay from a company that's been out there. So how do you compete with this brand new thing? I mean Star Wars for $4,500, put that out in a location. That'll earn money. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So I know we're called Pinball Shields and all that stuff. It's okay. Call us that. But this is how it is. and releasing this game this early, I think the code was point. There was no code. There was no code. There was no code, yeah. So no code. The rotisserie, something needed to be adjusted. The flippers were not strong enough. Just too early. It was just too early to release this. And if he has the numbers of 500, he needs to have a total price. he needs to say when the games are ready you can buy them next time they show this game let it be much more complete than this let it have powerful flippers contact Precision Flippers and get their stuff in these games I'm telling you they boost they boost like 30% really really on JGP games we install them on Pinball Brother games we install them play aliens with precision flippers, it's something else. It just, it was too early, because Don and I, we want any pinball company to succeed, to great welcome, more games, more games, more games, yes please, but not like this. Right now, if this game's a homebrew, it's a pretty good homebrew. It's not a great homebrew, but it's pretty good. I mean, you know, I would be happy if mine came out like this. I would take it to shows and let people play it. But I'm not asking $10,000 for 500 of them, though. I think it has got fast board system or something. You can upload your own music. I mean, when I heard that, I was like, I'm going to buy this game. Because that's number one for me. Have your own music. It's awesomeness. You can put in, like, you're on a road trip. I love the story. You're on a road trip. You can put in your CD with eight tracks in it. so cool i'm loving it so to be honest personally i was like whoa and that rotisserie stuff remind me of batman but with much more cooler ramp in the air and my at first glance i was like if this is a six thousand dollar game i would buy it that's how i felt i would have this in my home right and then i saw the gameplay i don't wanted him to show the gameplay like this i saw it and i feel like almost everybody else, Ram Pinball can shoot up the Ram. That retursary doesn't work the proper way. There's so many halfway decent pinball streamers that are out there too. If the first time the public is going to see it, talk to one of them. Have them bring a streaming rig so you actually get good capture and good audio at least. Again, all the footage that got out was somebody holding a cell phone at 45 degrees and then looking at the player for some reason. And it's like we want to see, like, how is the game flowing? What does it look like? How is it fun? Does it work, you know? Yeah, and people that were flipping the game were, you know, Rich Joe's see ball, shoot ball. Like, not just cradle and aim and shoot off that. No, the ball comes and ramp. And it goes up halfway up the ramp and just trickles down. I was like, no. And also the design. So it has got this right ramp. That was beautiful. But the left ramp, he said that you could get it with the upper flipper. It looked perfect for the upper flipper, that left upper ramp. But from the right flipper, he said you can get that ramp. But the whole angle of that right ramp entrance was not – it was not aimable. Yeah, that left ramp there, the left ramp, it was wide enough that it felt hittable. and it went behind the back plate of the play field, which I love whenever balls go back. Like Munsters does that, you know, great shot feeling. It disappears and comes back. This ball exited at that back plate at the middle and then kind of rolled down from the top of the play field. And it's like for a shot like that, if you could have hit it, had it go behind the back plate and then down this big ramp back to a flipper so it was repeatable, like I think that would have been more satisfying, you know, kinetically to me. Yeah, that left ramp needs to be redesigned. more open to the right flipper so we can get it both on the right flipper and you know you can get it with the upper right flipper right it needs some kind of adjustments i feel like yeah it's a homebrew game yeah but i hope that he gets so much feedback and i'm here to help this guy i'm not bashing okay i'm just just setting a pause with a smile just update it a bit if you have a great sales prize i'm interested okay can put in my own tracks the question is the question is can ramps put their ego aside and listen to feedback that's given constructively and implement it and make the game itself better make it a success who's listening who's spooky is listening look at last two years what happened to spooky they are when people says shit about spooky said shit about spooky do you know what they did they smiled back they smiled back okay these guys this team has so much pinball love and passion and positivity behind the cameras behind everything they're sitting down they're like okay people are saying this people are feeling like this let's do this next game do the white party put everything in it and just shut them up wow listen you know what they're doing they they listen to people and uh when they when they pick themes they're like you know what we were hearing from people over and over and if we hear it enough times we're gonna go make that theme you know they were they were hearing people saying we want more mechanisms in pinball we want more things to interact with the ball and then they took a wide body game with evil dead a theme that people have been asking for for years and they put a mechanism in every freaking spot in that game and look at the response look at how people are talking about Evil Dead. I got an early build of Evil Dead. I got Evil Dead number 10, okay? I have a hundred plays on it, and I have had no problems. I hope I didn't just jinx myself, but no boards have blown up, no smoke has come out of the game, no flippers have died. I haven't even had to go in and tighten flippers yet. It's still hitting all the ramps, even the left ramp. You can backhand both of the ramps that are in this game. There's three, because that one up the middle goes all the way around again um but like i'm just having fun i've been having more fun playing the game i haven't taken the glass off except to try mods out with it but one thing i want to include in all of this one thing and this is i mean this i mean it when i say it okay i mean this when i say it i mean it when i say it all right all right if you have dear listener if you have the slightest and i mean slightest interest in evil dead or spooky pinball as a company you need to join our patreon at five dollars just to be able to listen to patreon show number 22 listen to what don did with his game on his unboxing it i mean i listened to that show A couple of days ago, Donnie, I was laughing because Team Spooky is at our Patreon. They wrote, I mean, they were laughing at our show. It was so, so funny. And I went in and listened to what we said. It was so fun. I want everybody to just, that one show, I think we should release that show to them. It was so much fun for an hour, man. I love listening to you again, man. It was a good time. It was definitely a good time. Yeah, yeah. To round up, so when companies listen to the feedback, look at how the product comes out. Right? So I hope RAMP people, RAMP Pinball or what's it called, RAMP Pinball Company, I think they will get this. This is positive feedback. We're not trashing the game. We're just saying this is what people are saying and this is – we have some experience in this hobby. So we're just giving some feedback. I hope they will take it and use it, and next time we see their game, it will just flow over those rams like crazy. I would love it. And people easily put in their songs that whatever they enjoy when they drive and listen, they can have that feeling when they're playing pinball machines. It's a great idea. And keep the price under $7,000. Keep the price under $10,000. And I think the cabinet art is just fine. But if you do have any money in the budget for a pinball artist to just do the play field and tighten everything up, I think that would really help to visually convey to the pinball player what you're supposed to do so it doesn't just look like one of those toddler mats that you play with the cars on. That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. I just, you know, when I reviewed the X-Men, Uncanny X-Men, I fell in love with the art. It's a really beautiful game. I love the art on X-Men. So, so much stuff to look at. And then we saw the art of Evil Dead. This Evil Dead, everywhere on the cabinet, everywhere, Christopher Franchi artwork. It's so much me. Yeah. And I can see it at the background just behind Donnie. I see this game while we're shooting this. So beautiful. It just – usually I'm not an art guy, but this Evil Dead art is just something else. I cannot explain. It's just – yeah. It's good. Intriguing. Yeah. Yeah, it's so good, man. And I love that it's turned off so that topper doesn't – Terrifying, man. Yeah. Yeah, that's our feedback. That's how we feel. And Don has played this game. Would you buy this game for $7,000? No. No. Okay. There's too many. I'll go by Halloween again for $5,800. Yeah. I was just looking at other games too, like online, and I'm like, you know, if I had some money in the budget, you know, if I saw an Ultraman for $3,500, I'd probably pick one up. I'm looking at, you know, if I see a Venom LE for like $7,200, I'll probably pick it up. So I would probably do that, not because I think Ramps Road Trip is a bad game, but if I have $7,000, I think I have five or six other titles I'd rather just go pick up instead because I'm going to have more fun playing that over and over again at home. That's my issue. Every time that we get a new pinball machine, because of that $7,000 pro, we just got what was it? Uncanny X-Men. So Uncanny X-Men, $13,000. So I want to ask you, Donnie, would you pay the same money for an Uncanny X-Men Ellie or for the same money would you get Uncanny X-Men Pro and Godzilla Pro? That's my issue every time. I would get those two pros. It's the same money. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So that's my issue, man. You get so much and, yeah, so either the Ellie is too high or the pros are not too low. So don't take off the pro prize, please. Are you going to pay $6,500 for Ramps Road Trip or $6,500 for Iron Maiden Pro? Yeah, that's it. And it is – Now, if you've got a huge collection, if you've got a cool location with a ton of games and you want to have something that nobody else is going to have, a Ramps Road Trip could make sense if it can prove itself that it holds up on location and doesn't have issues. just because if it's something interesting, I'll go put five bucks in it and play it for a while. I'd probably do that every time I go out. So I think there's room for it. But yeah, if it comes out at $4,000, that's a lot easier to swallow, right? But Donnie, when you say this, we have seven locations. One of them is just a great place with a lot of games. But if we take the others, they're out on big malls, right? If I take... One of them at Steelhouse, they are visited by pinball competition players. They want Venom there. You know, they want Jaws. I'm sorry. They want Jaws there. If we remove Jaws from there, the hell will break loose. Okay? They want competition games. They're pinball players. They want all the new stuff is at Steelhouse in Copenhagen. Everything goes out there. Right. Okay. But the other five places, they're out on malls. Right? this dad he's so tired because he has the kids and his wife is shopping and shopping and shopping and he's like i want to die and then he looks and he sees this arcade like in the 90s and he goes in there and he's like whoa man look at this paintball machines and he sees wrestling oh my god wrestling was so awesome he puts in three bucks in there he sees stranger things oh my god i see this he puts in money in there and he says this road trip and he's like what's that is that your doggy what's your doggy's name oh this is annabelle she's one of our beagles and she's mischievous and she she loves food and she will steal your plate if you're not looking um yeah so that's the problem with going original theme i mean you don't have licensing costs but you know what you got to come up with all the animations all the art you have to convey the story to people to get them to walk over there if you get stranger things yeah you're paying an upfront cost but people are going to walk over and put money in it not even knowing what it is you know yeah not even knowing like alone that audio package from 80s and stranger things it's worth every penny right it's worth i see in your background i see hulk hogan there in that gold cabinet with hulk hogan music with the rocks music oh my god i love it i love you have star wars there when you make this new game Oh, my God, you hear the Star Wars music, and you hear Gandalf speaking, and you hear, do, do not. You shoot the ball, you go up and hit those. It's a home run, Mr. Skywalker. Captain Stolo. It's very, very important. That's how I feel, man. So we have so many upcoming rumored titles. I must say. Should we give our opinions on all these rumored titles in the Patreon Hangout show? Do you want to do that? Okay. We're over an hour. Okay. Okay. Let's jump over to Patreon. Oh, thank you guys on Patreon. Let's do that, man. We're going to talk about all the rumored games now. See you on Patreon. I've got some opinions. Yeah. Oh, we got a pinball 23. That was fire, man. 40 minutes on Kaneda? I need a break. I need a palate cleanser. I need to go hang out in the green room with all of our wonderful Patreon supporters. Be sure to email us at wearepinball69 at gmail.com. And order yourself a t-shirt, man, any size, any color. I got it. Do you want it on a receiving blanket? Do you want the logo on a hoodie? I will hook that stuff up. Just email us. We'll work out a deal, man. Nice. 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