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Episode 125 - Interview with Jeff Rivera 7-8-15

For Amusement Only EM and Bingo Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·49m 9s·analyzed·Jul 14, 2015
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TL;DR

Jeff Rivera discusses EM pinball collecting, repair philosophy, and industry challenges on For Amusement Only podcast.

Summary

Jeff Rivera from The A A Pinball Podcast discusses his experience with EM (electromechanical) and early solid-state pinball machines with host Nicholas Baldridge. They cover Jeff's attendance at Rocky Mountain Pinball Showdown, his collection strategies, recent machine acquisitions, repair philosophy, and concerns about long-term preservation of solid-state machines as chips become obsolete.

Key Claims

  • The EM pinball community in the Salt Lake City area is pretty weak with limited experts

    high confidence · Jeff Rivera, discussing regional EM availability

  • Cherry Bell (a Spanish Eyes game) was notably absent from Rocky Mountain Pinball Showdown this year

    high confidence · Jeff Rivera, describing machines he missed at the show

  • OXO is a four-player Williams with no electronics that keeps track of all four players' tic-tac-toe progress entirely through mechanical means

    high confidence · Jeff Rivera and Nicholas Baldridge discussing OXO machine

  • Rocky Mountain Pinball Showdown had no bingo machines at this year's show

    high confidence · Jeff Rivera directly answering question about bingos at the show

  • Key West is a Magic Square bingo game with A, B, C, and D screens that rotate sets of numbers

    high confidence · Jeff Rivera consulting Jeffrey Lawton's book to identify the machine

  • Jeff is concerned about chip availability for solid-state machine repair, with aftermarket repro products going to end-of-life status

    high confidence · Jeff Rivera discussing future of solid-state repair

  • Jeff attended Rocky Mountain Pinball Showdown and both hosted and competed in the tournament

    high confidence · Jeff Rivera describing his activities at the show

  • EM machines can theoretically run forever with proper mechanical know-how and tools, unlike solid-state machines dependent on chip availability

    high confidence · Jeff Rivera discussing advantages of EM repair sustainability

Notable Quotes

  • “I'm still on the tail end of that honeymoon phase, I'm happy to try anything. It's always a good attitude. You never know.”

    Jeff Rivera @ Early in interview — Shows Jeff's enthusiastic, open approach to exploring different EM machines and eras

  • “The EM community here in the Salt Lake City area is pretty weak. I know there's a few pretty good experts, but there's not a lot. I think where I'm at, everything migrated away from the middle of the country to the coasts.”

    Jeff Rivera @ Early discussion — Geographic availability of machines is a major factor in collector experience

  • “I lost my mind. It was so cool. [discussing OXO tic-tac-toe board lighting up]”

    Jeff Rivera @ OXO repair discussion — Shows emotional investment in restoration work and breakthrough moments

  • “There were moments when I wanted to dump lighter fluid on it and just drop a match. Like I won't lie about that. But as it kind of came more alive little by little, it was so encouraging.”

    Jeff Rivera @ Discussing OXO repair frustrations — Honest reflection on repair difficulty and ultimate satisfaction

  • “as long as you have the appropriate tools and mechanical know-how, you can pretty much keep them running forever... on the EM side... Even at that, there's something that if you could get access to like a machine shop or something, you could create the part yourself.”

    Jeff Rivera @ Repair sustainability discussion — Highlights long-term viability advantage of EM machines over solid-state

  • “I work with computers all day, so coming home and working on a pinball computer is much less attractive to me than working on a mechanical beast. Getting it going, you know. I did this with my own hands. So, just kind of exciting from that perspective.”

    Jeff Rivera @ Repair philosophy discussion — Reveals personal motivation for preferring mechanical repair over electronic

Entities

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    community_signal: EM pinball community concentrated on coasts with weak availability in Salt Lake City region; machines migrate away from middle of country

    high · Jeff: 'The EM community here in the Salt Lake City area is pretty weak... everything migrated away from the middle of the country to the coasts'

  • ?

    restoration_signal: OXO restoration from shed-stored condition with rat damage; extensive switch cleaning and adjustment; successful tic-tac-toe mechanism repair

    high · Jeff describes cleaning up badly damaged OXO: 'every switch needed to be cleaned and adjusted' through 'five years of research' equivalent effort

  • ?

    operational_signal: Bingo machines difficult to transport; limited people willing to move them; explains absence from Rocky Mountain show despite venue elsewhere having them

    high · Nicholas: 'It's quite a task to move one... you've got a limited number of people who are willing to do it'

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    market_signal: Strong demand for EM machines in Salt Lake City area with limited supply; machines get 'snatched up pretty quickly' when available

    high · Jeff: 'the supply and demand is way out of whack here... if someone was able to bring in a big truckload of decent EMs, they would do pretty well'

  • ?

    collector_signal: Collector planning U-Haul trip to Denver/California shows to acquire EMs and early solid-states; willing to accept machines without permanent space

    high · Jeff: 'I think I might drive... with a U-Haul... focus on EMs or early solid states... even if I don't hang onto them very long'

Transcript

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The Pinball Podcast is brought to you by the Pinball Podcast Network. What's that sound? It's For Amusement Only, the EM and Bingo Pinball Podcast. Welcome back to For Amusement Only. This is Nick Baldridge. Tonight I have a special guest, Jeff Rivera from the Pinball Podcast. He's the other part of the duo that records about biweekly. And I am excited to present our interview which follows now. Hi Jeff, how are you? I'm great. How you been? Can't complain. I have plenty to complain about but I won't. Save it for my show. That's right. The Pinball Complainers podcast. That's right. So, Jeff, I wanted to talk with you a bit this evening and see what your thoughts were on les traکiersont pedagog Forest bullyingEn 2025, Libertyoonsuder emancipationisliganouriocon halfdaniels drive, pandemiconwearest jazzandениеveganengолов, taskmel announces the birth rist of binguju, "-I'mainsしまerigh4 "-C Bottequites борresuverJane The Tee Freddie's Malva hoffe Prima piączka Disgofeor So any particular era or manufacturer? No, not really. I guess probably since I'm still on the tail end of that honeymoon phase, I'm happy to try anything. It's always a good attitude. You never know. So do you, have you played many metal rails or wood rails? Not a ton. Basically, the EM community here in the Salt Lake City area is pretty weak. I know there's a few pretty good experts, but there's not a lot. I think where I'm at, everything migrated away from the middle of the country to the coasts. But what I see and it shows, I'm all over them just because that's my opportunity. Not a ton, but enough to know What's the best thing you've done? I like pinball. Very good. Were you at the Rocky Mountain Pinball Showdown? Yes, I was. That was a good time. What were some of your favorites there, EM-wise? Wow. This year was a little bit different than past years. A lot of the EMs that are generally there were missing. I guess it was, the show was pushed back partially for weather reasons. C mella1pisi pc confuse ppawip Pgo locking.sld 1205216243157 ym2 entirely I can tell you the one of the ones I missed most and that is the one that's always there and it wasn't this year and it's called Cherry Bell. Have you ever played that one? It's a Spanish one. Is that a Sonic? It is Sonic. Yep. Haven't played it. Okay. It's just a beautiful game. So I really missed that one but I guess I don't want to like highlight what I missed over what I enjoyed but let me think about it. You caught me off guard on that because it's been a couple of weeks. Let me go back. I made a list because I took notes this year. I normally don't but let me go back on that. This year was a little bit interesting too because Don and I were doing our show and then I got into the tournament a little bit and got a little bit more into the social side than I have been but some of the ones I really liked, let's see, pulling up my list Right now. Okay, so obviously the one that we gush about all the time is the old Chicago. That's just one of my favorite games of any era. Really nice one that was at the show. I played that one a lot. There was also an EM version of Mata Hari, also one of my favorites. Really good one there. Jumping Jack, that was one I enjoyed. Touso Gardner � Mante firewall, Plantista Lar usando mu��� orgğim arrives Iotltexoggir Caed Tsimakajai koeud tijej aur się tît scalai kiż再见 chidyn haruewsc escola kite ForР guerre racingúmill, 윤해қ escrever체 invincibleréözг sägeructнийо сызис�ر", for ryzenя øyeshis يجتمажكcert 대해анняуmonسالاتسمسating,!!!!!!! I was at a pinball arcade in Pennsylvania on the way to the York show. That's interesting. I imagine they are far less common. I think so. I don't know if it was an experiment with just 300 or something in that few years that they tried. Or if it was just particular municipalities that they were modified for. Interesting. Do you know if they on that like have the same, do they mix them in the same production run or do they keep those separate? I have no idea. No idea. The Internet Pinball Serial Number Database might know and same with the IPDB but I certainly don't off the top of my head. So for the second part of your question, answer, or question, my answer, there were no bingos at the show. So can you believe that? I can, I can. It's a, it's quite a task to move one. And it, you know, you're, you've got a limited number of people who are willing to do it. Yeah. Well, while you're looking at it, I'll tell you they had some really cool pin games, flipperless pin games, and they had one, I can't remember the name of it, but it was really, really cool. It had what looked like a jigsaw puzzle on the lower half of the playfield area, and as you would shoot the little BBs, they'd go around and depending on how much you scored, it would, like when you started the game, The jigsaw puzzle pieces flipped up, so the puzzle kind of undid, and the puzzle pieces would turn back flat, so you would try and be basically putting the puzzle together, and that was really cool. I can't remember the name of that. That's a Rockola jigsaw. Jigsaw, that's it. That was, I played that a lot. Yeah, yeah, that's on my notes. It was from 1934, jigsaw. That was so cool. After five years of research著�시oto AIDS Animal. Yeah. A lot of Bracola's ideas were pretty far ahead of their time, I think. Yeah. But, you know, they were primarily a jukebox manufacturer and... Right. Yeah. They got out of pin games pretty quick. Yeah, that was cool. They did have a baffle ball which you obviously couldn't play. That was kind of a look-don't-touch thing. Oh, yeah. That's there every year. That's kind of cool to just see. The They had one other older one like that that you could play that was a baseball themed one
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    design_innovation: Rockola Jigsaw (1934) featured innovative puzzle-piece mechanic where playfield pieces flip/rotate based on scoring; ideas ahead of their time

    high · Nicholas describes puzzle pieces that 'flip up' and 'turn back flat' based on scoring; Jeff notes 'Rockola's ideas were pretty far ahead of their time'

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    product_concern: Aftermarket semiconductor repro products reaching end-of-life status; increasing chip unavailability from suppliers like Mouser for solid-state machine repair

    high · Jeff: 'you're starting to see some of the products that even going to those aftermarket... end of life status... they're not going to carry them anymore'

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    design_philosophy: EM machines philosophically preferred for long-term viability; can run indefinitely with mechanical knowledge and tools; parts can be fabricated vs purchased chips

    high · Jeff: 'as long as you have the appropriate tools and mechanical know-how, you can pretty much keep them running forever... you could create the part yourself'

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    event_signal: Rocky Mountain Showdown had fewer EMs and classic solid-states than previous years; overall machine count up but specific game availability down

    high · Jeff: 'This year was a little bit different than past years. A lot of the EMs that are generally there were missing... The overall machine count was up but the EMs and some of the classic solid state were just not quite there'

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    venue_signal: Collector expanding space management challenges; three-car garage used for one car plus machines; two storage sheds filled; considering space clearing for bingo acquisition

    high · Jeff describes: 'three car garage and I can only put one car in it... another wall length of arcade machines, another wall length of pinball machines... two storage sheds'

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    sentiment_shift: OXO restoration initially frustrating but became deeply rewarding; repair work creates strong accomplishment feeling that retrospectively validates time investment

    high · Jeff: 'when it clicks, like, you learn to love the time you spent on it... rearview mirror things that you really smile at it afterwards'

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    gameplay_signal: Jeff shows preference for 3-inch flipper games but appreciates 2-inch flipper games for tension; likes games with spinners, post-hitting, and shooter lane returns

    medium · Jeff discussing game mechanics: 'I really like the games with the shorter flippers... I think that's pretty fun too... posts... spinners that go up to roll overs'

    • 8:37
    Trying to see if I open the world series It was That was also pretty fun. That's another very desirable Rockola game. Yeah With a rotating turntable. Yep, and it was cool because they had both of them for play and The way they had them in the tournament room kind of in the back of that so it was interesting because it was a room where you didn't get a lot of just normal foot traffic which probably by design they probably don't want to blow those games out there but I noticed as people caught on to them being there you'd see someone sit there for a good 20-30 minutes just hammering away at those because they're fun and you'd have like a group of people standing there and if someone got like a big line of the puzzle pieces and jigsaw they'd yeah start freaking out. C. Wow, that was cool. I totally would pick up either one of those. M. They're beautiful games, too. M. Not cheap, I'm sure. C. No, not those two particular ones. You've got expensive taste, Jeff. M. I know. Spoiler. C. Yeah, but I'm trying to convince a guy who lives in Colorado to bring one next year, A bingo. So, have you ever played a bingo before? I have. When I... I made a deal a few years ago for three pinball machines in one and the guy had a bingo as well and he was just like, hey man you can have it. But I couldn't move it. I didn't have a vehicle to move it in. In fact it took me getting a friend over to help with the other two machines. I could only move one pinball machine just barely at that time. So I couldn't do anything with the bingo and I was like, I'll destroy this thing trying to get it home. I don't want to do that.
    10:28
    So I told him hey if I can find a way to get this home, I'll be happy to come back and get it. I'll you know since you're holding on to it. I'll give you another 50 bucks, 100 bucks, whatever and but I said but don't don't wait if someone wants it let him take it and I found a friend that had a truck that would have worked and called him back. He's like oh yeah I just just let it go, but yeah, I played it for a while utlich CheIntarP knockout Standby spielt Spindeer Pinball subur StandbyPyTłby, Ste equality music the Thomas until in anchor stop John Papadiuk, You prepared me for a whole bunch of comments uh and we'll begin with john translate итан discretionary eats MOcat and along the way I've seen and heard about lots of good Quantum esteemed players from C Mart 뭐� superhero I mean the safety of the game, all kinds of greatets, f shot counter chính재기, considered abolitionist 걸치�magptpod letting alone ious pinballventional from Gr scrc opin Tirples. dialog about sotto. honorable composite us This is Brian from broadcasting of C democraticeur sich period I an opportunity then than worrying about what one costs or anything like that Because I been trying to clear out areas and I think you scolded me a little bit for saying it would go in the garage instead of the main game room But no, I actually am trying to move out a few of my arcade cabinets that are in my basement now and why not? Why not a bingo, right? PINNAPINA STIND personaje for the dled bartender Question one unsub , heated question, question, elas Yes, it was and it was a... I would say it wasn't a beginner's EM, it was an OXO. Oh, yes. It was actually a home use only OXO. Wow. It had been stored in a shed where a rat family made a home there. And it was dirty, it cleaned up really, really nice, but pretty much every switch needed to be cleaned and adjusted and that game has a lot. Yes. But the first time that tic-tac-toe board started lighting up correctly, I lost my mind. It was so cool.
    13:37
    Awesome. So OXO is a four-player Williams? Yes. Yeah, it's very, very late. In fact, isn't there a solid-state version as well? I'm not sure, but that sure would have been easier to deal with.
    13:52
    I can't believe how much that game keeps track of, because it keeps track of four players' tic-tac-toe progress. All without any electronics. It was really cool. Yeah, EMs are fascinating. That's kind of what I talk about. So, any other EMs make it into your collection? None now. There are several that are on the list that I would buy immediately. The But no, like, I kind of live in a
    14:30
    In an EM desert around here and the ones that pop up seem to get snatched up pretty quickly. I Just the supply and demand is way out of whack here. If someone was able to bring in a big truckload of
    14:43
    Decent or at least easily revived EMS, I think they would do pretty well moving those around Subtitles by the Amara.org community J.D.: Be a little bit blown out. I also would like SkyJump. That's one of my favorite EMs. That one's one of those regardless condition ones because I'd be willing to put the love into it to get that going. I would take an old Chicago. I've got a friend who has one, so I could play his, but if he ever decides to part with it, I'll kill him if he doesn't let me take it from him. I would buy a 300 as well. If I find out who owns that Cherry Bell in Denver, I'm going to hound them until they sell it to me. I could tell you what's for sale around here right now and you could tell me what to grab. So just like a few kind of recently listed things, I've got nearby there's a, I think I showed it to you, there's a Key West for sale, bingo. I don't know how that one ranks in the bingo world. The hierarchy. The They've got a list for 400 firm, so they're not budging off the 400 on that. Is it working? It says in all caps that it's it well it says that it works good for its age has been gone true. I think they meant through. So I bet you it would be fine just need some adjustment The pretty clean um... no big massive where the pictures are kinda credit that uh... the backlash looks good so you can't have uh... there's a seventy three williams jubilee for sale uh... sounds like it works but it needs to be cleaned up it's a little bit flaky as far as uh... it's game plays a little unreliable but it looks good uh... I remember Jubilee being one that wears thin pretty quickly based on my experience with it. It's not terrible but it's not one of my favorite EMs. There was also a Valley Turf King nearby but the guy thinks he's going to get 1400 for it. Hmm. What kind of shape is that one in? He doesn't take any direct pictures of the playfield, so that makes me kind of wonder. The back glass looks pretty good. It's kind of hard to tell from the picture, but I don't see any missing paint right off the bat. The front of the cabinet is pretty rough, but I assume that that's pretty easy to stencil that machine. There is some complicated artwork obviously on the front, but it's pretty scratched up in the front. Looks like things have been at the running and leaning against it for quite a while besides are too bad asso that's one of one's the event I know about his drifting but now yeah for tonight's kinda made a little out of my range have you ever played one of the horse racing games I have just like like a bird or something as some some of the more pinball yeah I'll finish and her her flipper style So, um, Key West, Key West. I want to say that that is, is it a single card? Let me take a look. Don't know how, how do you tell? So how many separate sets of numbers are there on the back glass? The first one that I see says it, in his description, I don't know what he means, but he says it has A, B, C, and D screens. Okay, here we go. Key West is a Magic Square game. Okay, that's why I'm not, that wasn't ringing a bell. I thought it might have been an earlier game, but I just had to flip through Jeffrey Lawton's book to find it. It's pretty old. Yes, so it's a Magic Squares game. A, B, C, and D actually rotate sets of four numbers in each of the corners. So they rotate in a... Oh, I see that. The one and the nine, so it's six and the eight. That's cool. Yup, it's really neat to see in action. So that would be a good one. Okay. So he's asking for on a firm, but I think he's been trying for a little while. Maybe that firm starts getting a little shaky. I'm a bit still on that four hundred if if it really isn't good condition and I'm has been gone true and uh... might be that might be good and it looks like it's been gone through I'm yeah I mean that that might be one that I've jump on okay my god I look like it's any link and now I'm yeah You can see the shaky images on it. But it's uh... I don't know, it's kinda cool like a... Anytime you see anything where they're... They all wood rail and everything, it's just kind of a... Nice classic look to them and those restore so well. Absolutely. Yup. Oh, okay. It's not too far, it's about... 20 minutes from my house, looks like, so... Art's great on it. Yes. Most of the ballet artwork is pretty darn good at this phase. Once they start getting into the 70s it gets a little different. It's still great, it's just a little less detailed. Yeah, this looks like it's in pretty darn good shape. The only thing that gives me pause is there's no pictures of it lighted on. Yes. So let's see what he says. It's an old style bump machine. Has no flippers. As long as you text him, I think everything will be okay. Okay. Yeah, he really wants a text, not a call. But yeah, it looks pretty good while it's off. And I don't see any major parts missing or anything from the photos. Sometimes when they light up a back glass, all the cracks show. Yes. And so that kind of makes me wonder. All of it is just because it's been gone through doesn't necessarily mean everything is actually working. But, it could be a fun project. It could definitely be easier than the LXO. Yes, it's different though. So you have a lot more rotational stuff going on. Did you have to take apart the scoreMotor on OXO? I had to take apart everything. Every single switch. Pretty much. Okay. Well then, yeah, I mean this would be no big deal. The ValleyTurfKing is lit up in its pictures. TurfKing is a beautiful game and you know I'd love to have one of those. Those suckers are heavy though. Yeah, just looking at it makes my back hurt a little bit. Yeah. This Key West is gonna be pretty lightweight actually. The Wood Rail ones are not On the other hand, the backdestroyers. So, yeah, I mean, I would probably follow up on that one. Nice. Okay, so I thought this was a Central Park, but it was just a Central Park backglass. No. Not quite as good a deal as you thought. No. Also a hit-the-deck backglass. Well, as long as you need some backglasses and not the actual game, you're in good shape. I'll pick the game.
    23:54
    Aztec, you said you liked Aztec. That's a 70s Williams as well. What about that one attracts you? I think on that one it just felt different in, I don't know if necessarily a great way or good way, but it just I don know there nothing super weird about it It pretty standardish layout but for some reason it just felt a little bit different I do like games where you got the spinners that will go up to the roll overs to the top It got that I thought it was weird because if I remember I didn have any drop targets so it felt like it was kind of a faster game probably for that reason mm I liked the art even though it is kind of simplified in its color schemes that I think they probably could throw in a little more that that was kind of I don't know there's just some kind of a unique flavor to it I always like the The uh the machines that let you shoot back to the shooter lane so it has that um the i don't know the kind of standard pop bumper placement up in the middle it i just it just felt kind of uh like i said for as standard as it looks it felt different it's it's really hard to put my finger on it maybe maybe it's not good and maybe i just was like just keying in on the fact that it felt i was playing a lot of Mrs. Knapp Mohammed Sixt, textиях Personality, Instagram kinds index entirely, code name I likeечат naszego.
    25:38
    I think the formula is one. Yeah, it has a lot of, that's definitely true, it has a lot of, you tend to hit a lot of posts. Yes, well I do anyway. Yeah, I do. So, I kind of noticed a theme, most of yours are 3 inch flipper games, do you prefer those over 2 inch flippers? Not necessarily. I think I just probably would have been exposed to a little bit more. I don't know. That one is kind of where you get a little bit more of a modern feel in it, but I mean I'll go either way with it. I really like the games with the shorter flippers where you sometimes can't trap or anything so it's a lot of on the fly shooting. I think that's pretty fun too. Those are pretty tense feeling, just trying to maintain Raza adjac didnt Raza�a r Subaruy, vaporisvljenskalis 자� Runner I'm confusing that with something else. It's got the pointy people art on it. Yeah. I think so. Nope, there's only an EM version. I'm thinking of something completely different. Is there another pinball machine called OXL though? Maybe that's what I'm thinking of. Um... Or maybe it's X's and O's or... That's what it is. Thank you. Yeah. That was driving me crazy a little bit. So as far as older games, like way older games, 40s and 50s, have you played many of the wood rails beyond the rockolas that we mentioned earlier? Not really. That's where I almost live in a total vacuum as far as experience those go. They're just not around, but they're cool. Like I've seen them down at the Pinball Commentary держ Legend, commentarypages converted, commentariespatrickangled, customerrenewaltext Letters, Pocket 준비reason & Commentary안송이야 pirosicktivio rodsio兄揭ulenio Nycelea llovedbylein2 Enjoy the end increasingly moreuntuorse Do you have any opposition to any of the other themes? Like Target Alpha for example or...
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    29:06
    Gotcha. So I'm just going to keep going back to this. It's no longer with you? No, and it broke my heart to sell it. It was kind of one of those deals where as I mentioned I was clearing house, I'm getting rid of a bunch of arcade games. I got to the point I'm a little bit of a fan of the arcade machine. I had one large room in the basement where I have a popcorn machine, a couple of arcade machines, five pinball machines. Then I have another room that's got another wall length of arcade machines, another wall length of pinball machines and a driver. Then I had my garage completely, it's a three car garage and I can only put one car in it. Then I had two storage sheds. It unfortunately fell victim to 106 Raza númerant, El Mic, Jитash Kumar Daniel Leister miai, Final e ó Influence for Fonso Marion mise liked byяд The end of course you knew everything that had been done to itself yep and a lot of putting yet it has a ton of sentimental value to it yeah it's hard to and to let him go in fact i'm incredibly terrible yeah i've gotten worse at it when i first started collecting i could go through machines coming in now every week every other week now i've slowed down i'd i'd maybe move one or two The and just moved my first pair out ever uh... this past weekend and getting ready for some more bingos to come in it's so fun new arrival days it is though yeah it's awesome i'll tell you though i even if i don't have space for it my shortlist DMs i'll jump on them cause I'll make space eventually but it's tough when you live here. I think what I'll do next year when I go out to Denver is I think I might drive because I normally fly, it's cheaper to fly than drive. But I've gone out one year with a U-Haul and I came back with like five games and I think I want to do that again next year but focus on EMs or early solid states and get some stuff back here The so even if I don't hang onto a very long at least will be here in the area but a that's I mean there was a mother hearty for selling I was out there and I it killed me that I didn't have a way to get it back the end the end version is relatively rare well that one too yeah the only ones I ever see here the ones in California extreme there's one that usually shows up there and then one that It's not every year at the Denver show but it's there once in a while. Hang around in the outskirts. So did they have any of the EMs in the tournament at Rocky Mountain? Yes actually. I didn't play in the EMs classics part of the tournament. I was too busy so I just kind of focused in on the modern but let me I think they listed their... I think I can look that up real quick and tell you what was in it. Okay, so in the EM they had Outer Space, Jumping Jack, and Quick Draw. Okay. I like Quick Draw quite a bit actually. Mm-hmm. I like Jumping Jack. It's got a right sign that's similar to centigrade 37. Knoopby,部소시기 약을 restrictive 조
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    Negative Blizzard Datte Test longestkrinat Lesley Pear thicken Cat MVP Playgrounds TANG321 It was actually earlier, it's a gorgeous game. But it's, you're trying to raise the temperature so leukly Yeah, one of the Denver collectors has a just mint condition centigrade, and I can't believe it brings it, but it's really cool, and he put the Invisiglass on it even so you walk up to it, it's just amazing The was not there this year. Well, it sounds like maybe everyone's saving their energy for next year. I guess. The overall machine count was up but the EMs and some of the classic solid state were just not quite there. So do you attend any other shows? Are there any in the Salt Lake area or anywhere? We don't have any here right now. I lost my mind and almost thought about trying to put something together myself, but then I learned how difficult it is and I chickened out pretty hard. So I do go to Denver every year. I hit California Extreme. There's some events and stuff that go on in Vegas, so I'll drive down to those. Mostly those are like tournaments at the Pinball Hall of Fame or I've gone to The following is a list of the pinball festivals that have been put on by Vegas Pinball, which is the Flipperspiel Wonderland.
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    So that's kind of mostly what I've been able to do. I think next year will be a bit better year for me. I'm hoping to get to Texas Pinball Festival, and I want to get out to Pinnagogo because as I said last year or two I've really been kind of getting into the EMs a bit more and Pinnagogo is really known for having a ton of them.
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    The So Jeff, I wanted to ask you what are your thoughts on pinball repair and maintenance. Do you enjoy it? I do. Early on when I was in the hobby, it was actually the repair and the maintenance part that really excited me. My first machine I got in trade for advertising and it was kind I was surprised at how fun that was and that was the part that kind of addicted me even before the gameplay. I mean I love playing pinball, I always have, but I got hooked on repair pretty quickly. And how did you feel when you tackled that OXO Just from a repair standpoint There were moments when I wanted to dump lighter fluid on it and just drop a match Like I won lie about that But as it kind of came more alive little by little, it was so encouraging because it was my first EM. I knew I was working on a hard one and I was still making progress. But when it all came together, I pretty much convinced myself I was the greatest pinball tech Ray Wequ How do you feel about the solid state machines and what may happen as chips become no longer available commercially and the future of repair in the solid state world? It's something that I actually do worry about quite a bit. I know there's some aftermarket people creating that stuff, but more and more you're starting to see some of the products that even going to those aftermarket The end of life status. And you'll see someone post, hey, you're going to want to stock up on these from Mouser. They're not going to carry them anymore and they even need to special order them. So I do worry about that. I kind of think that if enough machines fall into enough of a bad state that the demand will create more new repro industries. Razaöllig lawsuitws surgeries interessantehaledorateented uneven ench follows newtoyspart樣 hosting thankfully DaeFewDays universeX dennahoodyanddevelopathexistoire と Caseyooerp eyeb 있다고hollyadowithpi realisticte ambassador Louis Cartwell prestigiooureddideadؤFPP將ое Everest'光核win crowdsitsidf 64Tência tre 사이천, profilesirduseccialiintlessly trong loomco Hotdeguerages I'm not sure who doesn't love that. But on the EM side, one of the great things that I think about it is that as long as you have the appropriate tools and mechanical know-how, you can pretty much keep them running forever. Yeah. There are a few unique type parts, but they're a lot fewer than on a solid state machine. And even at that, there's something that if you could get access to like a machine shop or something, you could create the part yourself. If you handed it to someone that worked there and say, hey, I need this in not broken form, they could figure it out. Yeah, so that's something that's always appealed to me as well. And dealing, you know, I work with computers all day, so coming home and working on a pinball computer is much less attractive to me than I'm working on a mechanical beast. Getting it going, you know. I did this with my own hands. So, just kind of exciting from that perspective. But, so, on the repair side, do you work from schematics or do you work from gut feeling? Um... Little bit of both. It was one of those things I had to learn how to work schematics as I did more and more board work. And I've been pretty lucky that none of my projects have been too hard to figure out. But no, I can work off schematics. But generally, I kind of can just feel what's wrong with the game and I... About 99% of the time I'm right when I fix it. call me at the time I'm right when I want to fix and that's probably more dumb luck than being good at what I do K better to be right then wrong so yeah I guess I've been around now well I think everybody has its hard to be a hundred percent right but I'm it It is fun. I mean, I just enjoy it so much and I hope that other people kind of catch that feeling too because it's well worth the time and effort invested in an EM machine getting it going, I think. How do you feel about that? I mean, do you regret the time that you spent with OXO? Oh, not at all. Like I said, in the moment I had some serious frustrating ones like, I swear this has to be right. It has to be... I mean everything looks so good and you lift it up and tweak little things here and there but you don't really feel like you're doing much and then when it clicks, like, you learn to love the time you spent on it. And I think it's one of those... it's like such a strong accomplishment feeling that the time invested, the more that went in, it feels even more valuable after the fact. It's one of those like rearview mirror things that you really smile at it afterwards. I'm sure it would be much easier for someone with better experience, but... You know, it always would be. It's not what I would say a starter game if it's your first EM, but that's the beauty of EMs, right? Like, if you just take it one switch at a time, you'll get through it, you'll do it. But there's a lot of switches on an EXO. Yep, as you get further and further in, the more and more there are. But usually the easier they are to fix too. You know, if you go too far back, like in the 40s and 30s, you may end up having to fabricate some parts, which is kind of daunting. Yeah, definitely. Luckily, like in, like I said, it was stored in a shed and Utah has extremely dry air. Summer, winter, it's not going to corrode or anything. Jesse Ulister, incredibleanny you at the music video by the hotel a Presenter John Machine��겠습니다 Crapman, jediplom patioangry 2009, There's a guy in the UK who has modded one of his bingos and added a new feature. Wow. Yeah, this is a seriously smart guy. I believe he added the futurity feature, which I don't know if you've memorized all of my previous podcasts, but I talk about that briefly. It's a way to store up the red letter or okay game so that you can get a higher payout Later on. So he added that feature to this game which totally did not have it before and it took an amazing amount of work and back glass modification and so forth. So pretty astounding. But again that's the beauty of the EM, right? You can modify the circuits as long as you understand them. On the salt state you're more limited. To see the original, for the light of the In candescent, I have no problem with it. Okay. In candescent under cap. Yeah. That would be interesting. Some big FUD lights. I think you ought to do it. Why is it so bright in here? My feet's so hot. My feet are stretching out my shoes. Is that cool? Oh man. You know someone's been enjoying your game when you have the footprints in front of you. All the foot sweat. Get some of the pin mats for sure. Yeah. They make those for EMs, right? Yeah, I think so. They'll fit in front of any pinball machine. I guess you're right. They don't discriminate. Well, I think that's it. That just about covers it. Jeff, is there any particular date you need me to hop out there and pick up that key west with you? Whenever you want. Actually, I'll contact the guy. I'm interested to see if that, like I said, it's been listed for a little while, so see how motivated it is to move it. Uh...apologies from Mahl и Don, who listens to my podcast, I'm sure has already heard the Pinball podcast, but if not, it's with Don and Jeff and they've both been on here and haven't talked badly about each other, which is nice. That's a miracle. Yeah, it's a change of pace from your show. Yeah, which is a good thing. Yes it is. So thank you very much and can't wait till the next Pinball podcast. Franky começa, Textap vor! You can listen to him and Don on the Pinball Podcast, which is located at thepinballpodcast.com. They record biweekly, and it's always an entertaining show. And thank you again for listening. My name again is Nick Baldrige. You can reach me at 4amusementonlypodcast at gmail.com. You can listen to us on iTunes, Stitcher, Pocket Casts, via RSS, on Facebook, on Twitter at bingopodcast. You can follow me on Instagram at nbaldrige, And you can listen to us on our website which is for amusementonly.libsyn.com. Thanks again for listening and I'll talk to you next time.