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F*@kit Friday! Mandalorian and Random Stuff!

Poor Man's Pinball Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Dec 6, 2020
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TL;DR

Drew and Scott Ian debate Star Wars/Marvel quality, praise Jon Favreau's Mandalorian, and rant about X-Men casting and franchise fatigue.

Summary

A casual, freewheeling podcast discussion between Drew and Scott Ian covering Star Wars (The Mandalorian, sequel trilogy critique, Jon Favreau's creative influence), Marvel movies (Scott Ian's rejection of recent MCU output), Star Trek reboots, and tangential rants about X-Men films, casting choices, and 1990s comic book culture. The hosts praise Jon Favreau's direction and Star Wars expansion while criticizing franchise fatigue, lazy storytelling, and fan gatekeeping across multiple IP properties.

Key Claims

  • The Mandalorian Season 2 is better than Season 1 and features Jon Favreau directing multiple episodes

    high confidence · Scott Ian and Drew discussing Mandalorian: 'it's way better than the first...this is the season where he was able to direct a few'

  • Jon Favreau was busy with The Jungle Book during Season 1 production and couldn't direct

    medium confidence · Scott Ian: 'john favreau um couldn't direct any of the other episodes in the first season he produced them all...he was finishing up The Jungle book or whatever'

  • Jon Favreau should have directed the Star Wars sequel trilogy instead of J.J. Abrams

    medium confidence · Scott Ian: 'Jon Favreau should have been the director of those goddamn Star Wars movies and not J.J. Abrams'

  • Carrie Fisher rewrote significant portions of the original Star Wars script and George Lucas's early drafts were poor

    low confidence · Drew: 'somebody released the original draft of A New Hope, and then they had on they had this entire everything was red inked and rewritten and it was all carrie fisher...she actually had a bigger role in the star wars universe than you know you would think'

  • The Universal Monsters expanded universe was cancelled after the 2017 Mummy remake failed

    medium confidence · Scott Ian: 'they were gonna do a whole universal monsters uh expanded universe...Tom Cruise came out with the mummy you guys know this...it bombed so bad that they had to cancel the whole thing'

  • Scott Ian has not watched Marvel movies since Avengers: Age of Ultron and will not pay to see them

    high confidence · Drew: 'Scott Ian told me that a few years ago. And I haven't gone. After, like, the second Avengers, I think. Avengers Ultron, I think.'

  • The first X-Men film was not distributed in regular theaters, only at drive-ins

    low confidence · Scott Ian: 'I saw it at a drive-in because nobody had it in the regular theater. They just wouldn't play it.'

  • The Last Jedi was well-received by Scott Ian but disliked by most Star Wars fans

Notable Quotes

  • “Jon Favreau has killed Star Wars The Mandalorian in the best way possible because he has set this up now so beautifully.”

    Scott Ian @ ~35:00 — Core thesis: Jon Favreau's creative control and vision for expanding the Star Wars universe is superior to J.J. Abrams' approach

  • “The problem with Star Wars, and I've said it on multiple fucking Fridays, is that George Lucas, he has an amazing creative mind...He's a shitty writer.”

    Scott Ian @ ~12:00 — Foundational critique of George Lucas's writing limitations despite his worldbuilding prowess

  • “Rey can be whoever the fuck Rey wants to be. Why does she have to be a Palpatine?”

    Scott Ian @ ~18:00 — Criticism of Rise of Skywalker's retcon, arguing against the need for bloodline-based power legitimacy

  • “The universe gets that much bigger. And Scott Ian's like, if she's a Skywalker, I'm walking out right now.”

    Drew (recounting Scott Ian's pre-release position) @ ~20:00 — Shows Scott Ian's strong stance against narrow universe constraints before film release

  • “Star Wars The Mandalorian is expanding everything. Jon Favreau is very, very smart. He's expanding this whole thing now.”

    Scott Ian @ ~30:00 — Positive assessment of Mandalorian's approach to universe-building versus sequel trilogy's contraction

  • “The reason why Chewbacca is fucking cool is because he doesn't have a backstory. The reason why Han Solo is cool is because he doesn't have a backstory. They made Solo. What happened? Nobody fucking watched it.”

    Scott Ian @ ~48:00 — Articulates anti-prequel philosophy: mystery and coolness undermined by backstory exposition

  • “I won't watch this movie ever again. It's fucking terrible. Worst of Pinsiders, absolutely.”

    Drew (describing Scott Ian's movie reaction pattern) @ ~52:00 — Characterizes Scott Ian's absolute position on rejected films versus casual dislike

Entities

Jon FavreaupersonScott IanpersonDrewpersonGeorge LucaspersonJ.J. AbramspersonCarrie FisherpersonBrian SingerpersonIan McKellenperson

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Franchise filmmaking approach of prequels/backstories (Solo, planned Chewbacca/Han backstories) damages brands by removing mystique that made characters cool; audience rejects unnecessary origin explanations

    medium · Scott Ian: 'The reason why Chewbacca is fucking cool is because he doesn't have a backstory...They made Solo. What happened? Nobody fucking watched it'; discussion that Indiana Jones opening explaining scar/fears/hat origin is 'bullshit'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Star Wars fan community engages in destructive gatekeeping that drives away creators and discourages new directions; fans are characterized as 'the worst fans of all' who punish deviation from established rules

    medium · Scott Ian: 'star wars fans are the worst fans of all they're terrible...they're the fuckers that' [discussing how they force creative decisions]; conversation about fan rejection of The Last Jedi despite its quality

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Star Trek film reboots (Chris Pine era) successfully rebooted franchise despite fan skepticism, but the time travel mechanism used to justify alternate timeline was narratively lazy; approach could have been more elegant

    medium · Drew and Scott Ian: 'when they rebooted star trek...jj abrams by the way started it off was he just threw time travel in there...time travel is not a good producing technique...time travel is not a good way to reboot a franchise'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Star Wars universe has been systematically contracted rather than expanded; episodes 1-3 and sequel trilogy both made the universe smaller by concentrating power/importance in bloodlines and forcing narrative retreads

    high · Scott Ian: 'the problem with Star Wars, and I can go on for hours...episodes one two and three limited the universe...when they were making seven eight and nine jj abrams had a hell of a fucking job to expand that universe but instead of expanding it he made it even smaller'

Transcript

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0:00
Cause it's Friday, you ain't got no job, and you ain't got shit to do. You're just in time for the after party that is Fuckin' Friday, starring Drew and Ian.
0:18
Oh, you thought this was over? It's not over. You know what we're doing? An encore, baby. It's a Fuckin' Friday episode. What just happened? I don't know. I just threw this at Drew. drew what are we doing today kids fucking friday fucking friday all right we got some time we got some time all right so this is what we're gonna do fucking friday we are going to think about a topic what's the topic true stuff you caught me off guard i don't know all right so it's like throw your mic throw your headphones so i've been watching i've been watching the mandalorian have you been catching up on no you know what i have not started the next season yet you guys see the mandalorian yet so that is something no i have not oh man okay well is it is as good as the first it's getting better yeah it's way better than the first oh really yes is it pandering or is it no it's good it's like good storytelling yeah it's like john favreau still part of it yeah you know what i learned that john favreau um couldn't direct any of the other episodes in the first season he produced them all okay he didn't direct them and he did a lot of the writing but he was he was he was finishing up jungle book or whatever fucking sure sure and he couldn't do it but this is the season where he was able to direct a few and carl weathers just directed a few oh really yeah yeah why why wouldn't he direct them what all these goods thank you well but i mean yeah why why isn't he why isn't he the director who john favreau he's got a fucking full-time job being john favreau i don't know you're like fuck that's his thing though he's so good at it he's fuck well he is fucking good that's what i'm saying he's really good at it but you know what though i think directing is like one of those things where it's like a monkey can do it as long as it's written perfectly and he writes them so i got everything but i mean just point the camera i got this motherfuckers all the stuff that's happened in star wars in recent years like everyone loves the john favreau stuff season two is exactly good though man it's good how many episodes do they have the whole thing there's four episodes up right now they're putting them every week or yeah yeah it's once a week yeah you know i just i keep kind of passing over i just caught up i just did okay like i hit all four like yeah once you start it's like popcorn dude well that's what i like i like when they're all there so i can oh i know it you know just just kill it if i want to i know i was bored one day i was like fuck it i'll start it and then so when they started a couple weeks ago yeah that's four weeks ago i think they do one a week okay so so there's gonna be another eight or nine episodes yeah you know this is one of those seasons so like last season my big gripe was they had a lot of filler episodes but this one seems like when it was kind of going slow and well it was like It wasn't part of the main story, right? It was just like, oh, another Star Wars adventure, right? And then this one is like the season two is like, we're not getting that. We are kind of, but it's all interwoven. So generally speaking, would you say this is better than the movies that have been coming out? Oh, this is far better. I think people are pissed that J.J. Abrams got the nod instead of Jon Favreau. But Jon Favreau was all into the Marvel thing, though. He was balls deep in the Iron Man franchise. No, no, I know, but that's what I'm saying. So are they going to tap him to do a Star Wars movie? He should do a whole trilogy. He should do every Star Wars thing going forward. Like if they say, okay, we want you to write this, direct this, produce it. He's got the tone down, right? He's got the visuals down. He's got the music down. He's got the callbacks down. How did we go from George Lucas to the guy who played the fat guy in Rudy?

medium confidence · Host: 'The movies that everyone hates, Scott Ian likes...that one was chastised by everybody...because it doesn't follow their fucking little Star Wars rules'

  • Star Wars fans are 'the worst fans of all' and engage in destructive gatekeeping

    medium confidence · Scott Ian: 'the star wars fans are the worst fans of all they're terrible...they're the fuckers that' [discussing how fans drove away creators]

  • Paul Rudd dressed as Weird Al instead of coordinating with his daughter who dressed as the Wasp

    low confidence · Drew: 'His daughter dressed up as the Wasp...You know what he dressed up as...Weird Al'

    • “All of the X-Men movies suck.”

    Scott Ian @ ~85:00 — Absolute rejection of entire X-Men franchise with minimal nuance

  • “Scott Ian is the Dennis Kriese to my Zach Sharpe.”

    Host (Drew) @ ~50:00 — Compares Scott Ian's contrarian critical approach to a known pinball community figure's personality

  • “If Iron Man wouldn't have been done perfectly, that whole Marvel universe would have tanked.”

    Scott Ian @ ~28:00 — Acknowledges Iron Man as lynchpin of MCU success, Jon Favreau's critical role in franchise launch

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  • ?

    design_philosophy: Jon Favreau's approach to Star Wars expansion through The Mandalorian emphasizes universe broadening, new character stories, and moving away from narrow bloodline-focused narratives that constrain creative scope

    high · Scott Ian repeatedly praises Mandalorian for 'expanding everything' and 'expanding this whole thing' versus sequel trilogy's contraction; hosts frame Favreau's vision as philosophically opposed to J.J. Abrams' approach

  • ?

    licensing_signal: Universal Monsters expanded universe project (successor to Dark Universe) was cancelled following the box office failure of the 2017 Mummy remake; project attempted to emulate Marvel's interconnected universe model

    medium · Scott Ian: 'they were going to do a whole universal monsters uh expanded universe...and then so they made marvel...Tom Cruise came out with the mummy...it bombed so bad that they had to cancel the whole thing'; 'Russell Crowe was dr jackal mr hyde...They had this whole thing set up'

  • $

    market_signal: Poor Man's Pinball podcast considering expanding content to YouTube with reaction videos and extended format episodes; hosts discussing platform strategy for 'Fucking Friday' series

    low · Drew: 'That would be very good. That would be a YouTube special, absolutely. We should do the fucking Fridays only on YouTube. We should edit this and go to YouTube'; 'I have a whole thing down here...YouTube over there'

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Jon Favreau was unavailable to direct Star Wars: The Mandalorian Season 1 due to ongoing commitments to The Jungle Book production; only able to direct multiple episodes in Season 2

    medium · Scott Ian: 'john favreau um couldn't direct any of the other episodes in the first season he produced them all...he was finishing up The Jungle book or whatever...this is the season where he was able to direct a few'

  • ?

    product_concern: X-Men film franchise from inception through recent iterations characterized as fundamentally flawed; only specific scenes/casting choices (Patrick Stewart as Professor X, Nightcrawler White House scene in X-Men 2) salvage otherwise poor films

    medium · Scott Ian: 'All of the X-Men movies suck'; 'the original x-men was not a great movie'; 'The only redeeming factor in those X-Men movies was the opening scene in X-Men 2 with Nightcrawler'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Scott Ian has fundamentally rejected the Marvel Cinematic Universe after approximately 2015 (Avengers: Age of Ultron); will not pay for new MCU films

    high · Drew: 'Scott Ian told me that a few years ago. And I haven't gone. After, like, the second Avengers, I think. Avengers Ultron, I think.'; Scott Ian confirms he won't pay for Marvel or Star Wars films

    • 4:07
    No, who's the fat guy? Jon Favreau. Yeah. Well, Rudy was played by a different dude. That wasn't Jon Favreau. Sean Astin. Yeah, Sean Astin. But no, he was the fat friend. Fucking Sean Astin. Yeah. No, I'm not... That's a whole nother fucking Friday. Exactly. We can talk Sean Astin all day. But I'm not... Exactly, because he's done some amazing things. Toy Soldiers. No. Yeah, Toy Soldiers. Best movie ever. I don't even remember that one. That was when terrorists took over a school and he had to fight the terrorists. Okay. This is a total fucking Friday because people are going to get there, man. We're going to get to that level.
    4:41
    But you know what I mean? No, he was Rudy's friend in Rudy. Okay. And now he's like the Star Wars guy. Fucking John Favreau? Yeah, that's what I'm saying, though. He was the Marlo guy. You know what? I didn't know of this guy too much until that first Iron Man movie came out. Oh, see, and I knew of John Favreau because Rudy was one of my favorite movies growing up. Because Iron Man, when they made that first, I'm a big Iron Man comic book fan. Oh, really? I didn't know that. I loved Iron Man. That was the only Marvel I liked. Really? That and the X-Men. Thanks, Tony Scoots. Iron Man. Give me another shot. Let's do another shot. Let's do it. Let's get crazy.
    5:21
    But no, Iron Man was done perfect. If Iron Man wasn't done perfectly, that whole Marvel universe would have tanked. No, I agree. Iron Man, well, Robert Downey Jr. made that what it was. I'm pretty sure he was very, very instrumental in getting Robert Downey Jr. No, no, no, I agree. But I'm just saying, like, the Iron Man story, because I'm a bit of an Iron Man comic fan myself. Yes.
    5:50
    Actually, one of my, do you remember that, when I bought that several years ago? We were with Eric, I bought Iron Man number one. Yeah. Yeah, I still have it. Cool, man. Love it, yeah, it's great. no but but i think what he did though with iron man set up the whole marvel franchise yeah marvel had a plan yeah but they they needed they didn't know what it was yeah what was that one movie where oh it was the mummy with tom tom cruise right the mummy they were going to do this whole no no no they did a remake they were going to do a whole they were going to do a whole universal monsters uh expanded universe before marvel after they were gonna they were gonna capitalize on the marvel franchise stuff tom cruise came out with the mummy you guys know this i'm not fucking alone here right you are and it bombed so bad that they had to cancel the whole thing so if iron man would it can't would have fucking bomb wait did any of these movies come out what did any of those the mummy did the mummy came but they hinted at the creature they hinted at dracula oh every marvel movie what year was that uh 2000 and fucking 18 17 fucking what's his face is dr jekyll and mr hyde no no marvel is already that's what i'm saying marvel trying to capitalize oh okay so marvel was big and they said yeah they were like oh and then so they made marvel people thought With Tom Cruise? Tom Cruise was in there. I think it was Tom Cruise. You're alone. Three years ago. Nobody knows. Really? Oh, go fuck yourself. No, no, no. It's a real thing. Hold on, hold on, hold on. What are we going to do? We're going to go on the internet. Google. Google this shit. I am a database.
    7:35
    Internet? Just Google shitty mummy. Database.com. No. Shitty mummy jumping on Oprah's couch. Oh, God. It was bad, dude. I watched it. It wasn't good. there was you know what was more fun was um oh shit there's a lot of the mummies huh the mummy i think you're making this shit up the mummy 2017 tom cruise motherfucker what here we go bro movie was not released yeah 5.4 stars not good not good so what they what does this have to do with marvel though i'm just saying russell crowe was dr jackal mr hyde they They had this whole thing set up where it was going to be a big thing. They were going to emulate Marvel, and they couldn't do it because the first movie failed. I got you. Jon Favreau nailed that Iron Man movie. Dude, that first Iron Man movie? No, it was great. Phenomenal. It was great. He made a comic book movie seem realistic, which made us all make sense in the whole grand scheme of things. And that's why Jon Favreau should have been the director of those goddamn Star Wars movies and not J.J. Fakrums. Do you think it would have went that much different, though? Fake rums. He's fake as shit. You think it would have went that much different? Absolutely, because Jon Favreau is a goddamn stud. But you just said that... Oh, we got to get this on video. We got to make sure we're... Okay.
    9:03
    Oh! Just as terrible as before God damn it So what do you guys think Yes Ian is right Thank you Thank you Michael Williams I appreciate it, brother. Michael Williams, Ian's never right. I am always right when it comes to movies, man. But no, Jon Favreau has killed The Mandalorian in the best way possible because he has set this up now so beautifully. The problem with Star Wars, and I've said it on multiple fucking Fridays, is that George Lucas, he has an amazing creative mind. He can create these worlds and characters and stuff, right? Sure. He can sell toys, right? Yeah. He's a shitty writer. He is. Did you see when Carrie Fisher passed away,
    9:52
    somebody released the original draft of A New Hope, and then they had on they had this entire everything was red inked and rewritten and it was all carrie fisher oh really they were trying to they were trying to pay homage to carrie fisher when she passed so those are some of the things that kind of came out after her passing that she actually had a bigger role in the star wars universe than you know you would think because in those movies she would really help george lucas write these movies google it dude it's totally true legit that makes sense and if you looked at george lucas's original script dude it read like fucking the phantom menace oh really and she was like what no and then she would make all this and then the shit she wrote is exactly what you wrote piss break all right i'll talk about it yeah keep talking so the mandalorian john favreau hey listen motherfucker watch out don't touch laser war so the mandalorian by far if you guys have not got in into this or have dragged your feet on disney plus i first off highly recommend disney plus it's actually really really good they got a lot of shit on there but two the mandalorian is done perfectly And if you haven't watched it yet, I really, really, really, really encourage you guys to do it because if you were looking for that old school Star Wars feel. The problem with Star Wars, and I can go on for hours, so I don't care how long. Drew can take a shit as far as I'm concerned. But as far as the Star Wars saga goes, the problem with George Lucas and what he did with episodes four, five, and six is he made this entire universe, right? It's not a problem. he made this entire universe but he also created one two and three and what did one two and three do besides suck episodes one two and three limited the universe all of a sudden darth vader's making fucking c3po people are fucking brothers and sisters and well they're not fucking brothers and sisters but you know what i'm saying there's all sorts of things going on in episodes one two and three that actually close off that universe so when they were making seven eight and nine jj abrams had a hell of a fucking job to expand that universe but instead of expanding it he made it even smaller because all of a sudden fucking ray's a palpatine and all sorts of other stupid shit uh the second movie uh you had a big deal with ray being a palpatine i have a huge deal with Rey being a Palpatine? Because Rey can be whoever the fuck Rey wants to be. Why does she have to be a Palpatine? Well, she has to be somebody. She can't choose her parents. She does not. Are you kidding me? Who's fucking Obi-Wan Kenobi's parents? Who's Anakin Skywalker's parents? Me and what? Fucking some microscopic... Mike Williams says, Oh, speaking of Carrie Fisher passing away, did you see the Star Wars Holiday Specials on Netflix? I did see that. I thought George Lucas burned it. I think on Disney Plus, too, there's a Lego version. I saw that the other day, and I started laughing. And my wife's like, what's so funny? And I'm like, I can't even explain it. You know what they were doing. You know they were fucking around. I haven't watched it yet, but I want to, actually. You know what? Maybe we should watch that on a fucking Friday and just do our reaction. Oh, our reaction video? That would be pretty good. That would be a YouTube special, absolutely. We should do the fucking Fridays only on YouTube. We should edit this and go to YouTube. I like it. We have to have some content for YouTube. I have a whole thing down here. Oh, really? Yeah, YouTube over there. Don't worry about it. But your whole thing about Ray, like I said, I understand it. But like I said, she has to be somebody's daughter. No, she doesn't. Oh, okay. No, that's not how the force works. She doesn't choose her parents. The force doesn't work that way. Did you choose your dad and your mom? The force doesn't work that way. Real life works that way.
    14:10
    Motherfucker, she can be powerful with a force and not be anyone's parents. Would you have rather had her been a Skywalker? I would have rather had her been a regular fucking Joe Blow. I just remember talking to you during that time, before we knew. The universe gets that much bigger. And Ian's like, if she's a Skywalker, I'm walking out right now. This all correlates. I'm not totally drunk here, guys. This all correlates, because here's the problem. I have with the Star Wars whole saga has been slowly shrinking, and we have this small ball where everyone's fucking their brothers and uncles, and they're all just like they're intermingling, and it's a very small universe. It is. What the Mandalorian is doing is it's expanding everything. Jon Favreau is very, very smart. He's expanding this whole thing now. And you know what? Who else did it? Rogue One. did it you know who else did it um god damn it what's the space i wouldn't say second movie rogue one what's the second movie uh episode eight uh episode eight dude force awakens and then uh return of the no no last jedi the last jet was that last jedi yeah the last jedi was no no no what was the last one called return of skywalker or something yeah oh rise of skywalker so yeah Return of the... Last Jedi. Yeah. Last Jedi. Last Jedi, actually, he tried to expand it, and fucking James Close closed it. I did like it. I still like it. Last Jedi? Yeah, because it expands it. It shows that people don't necessarily need to have special parents to be special. But it's formulaic. Here's what I mean by that. It doesn't mean... No, no, no, hang on. The movies that everyone hates, Ian likes. The movies that everyone likes, Ian hates. that's true that is very true because that one was chastised by everybody and I remember I'm indifferent to a lot of it because those guys they see a movie for what it is they hate the fact that movie was great and everyone hated it well you know why they hated it because it doesn't follow their fucking little Star Wars rules man and the star wars fans are the worst fans of all they're terrible they're the worst we're all terrible they're the best and the absolute worst because they're the fuckers that that's why i temper my expectations let's say no no no ray's gotta be a skywalker or a palpatine like they have to be why does she have why hang on it's a whole universe let me ask you this though motherfucker you gave up on you gave up on the marvel movies right i did right yeah so why don't you give up on the star wars movies i did okay i just mean no ian ian has gone on record he's like i will not see any more marvel movies i won't say any star wars movies okay so you're done with that too i won't pay because that last one was so bad because that's that's fine i needed that bitch slap of truth that's um to say listen ian these movies aren't even made for you anymore but just I just don't watch them when you see them, when they come out. When they come out, I watch them, but I will not pay for them. Okay. No, that's fair. I will not pay for a Marvel movie either. Yep. No, that's fair. And Ian told me that, to be fair, Ian told me that a few years ago. And I haven't gone. After, like, the second Avengers, I think. Avengers Ultron, I think. Yeah, that was the second one. Yeah. So, like, you know, Ian didn't see... Any of them. What was it? Infinity War and Endgame. Yeah, like Ant-Man. All those things, yeah. Well, Ant-Man was good just because of Paul Rudd. Well, Paul Rudd's very, very charming. Yeah, he is. He's a good dude. Like, you've got to love Paul Rudd. But I get your point. Did you see that? There was that meme that was going on. It wasn't even a meme, but it was Paul Rudd. It wasn't this year. I think it was last year. His daughter dressed up as the Wasp. No, I didn't see that. You know what he dressed up as? What that It was a perfect opportunity to have a father moment and he was going to dress you know he could have dressed up as Ant Yeah You know who he dressed up as Who Weird Al Yeah, come on.
    18:26
    No, see, that's why you love Paul Rudd. That's why Paul Rudd is so lovable. You know, and that's why Ant-Man, to me, isn't part of the Marvel Universe, right? I mean, Ant-Man is just Paul Rudd being Paul Rudd. I'm sorry I've been drunk, but I haven't following the... All right, what do we got on chat? Sorry. Well, we have six viewers. Thank you, six people, for still hanging on. What? Multiple fucking Fridays? Yeah, you know what? Oh, speaking of Carrie Fisher passing away, did you see? Oh, yeah, we're past that. Did you fire Drew? What? No, Drew's still here. Hi, I'm right here. You should have followed the e-books instead. He's shitting in the shower.
    19:07
    Oh, don't know who to be with. Thanks, guys. Rogue Squadron would be an awesome series. Mike Williams, absolutely, dude. Those games were just great. Rogue? Oh, yeah. Rogue was fantastic. Oh, some of those games were fantastic. No, she doesn't have to be anybody at the end of The Surprise at Skywalker. The random kid was perfect. Exactly. Thank you, Michael Williams. I can agree with that. That is how the Force works. Yes, it's for everybody, dude. The Force is within all living objects.
    19:38
    You could be the Force. Everyone's force sensitive in my Star Wars universe. Maybe they didn't write it. Maybe she just was his. What movies does Ian hate? Oh, dude, there's so many. Oh, my God. Ian, like most people say, I don't like that movie. Ian's like, I won't watch this movie ever again. It's fucking terrible. Worst of Pinsiders, absolutely, Tim, absolutely. Star Wars fans will make somebody cry and stop acting. Here's the best way I can describe it. Ian is the Dennis Creasel to my Zach. Oh my God. Right. Are we talking about Star Wars? Home pin? No. Cause I'm just, um, I want a Star Wars. Thank you. Thank you, Tim. Thank you, Tim, for giving up a secretly. I want a, a Marvel home pin. Uh, I heard they are making a series about Chewbacca's life and where he came from. Ah, dude. No, you wouldn't like that. No, God damn it. Chewbacca. Nobody understands the reason why Chewbacca is fucking cool. is because he doesn't have a backstory. The reason why Han Solo is cool is because he doesn't have a backstory. They made Solo. What happened? Nobody fucking watched it because nobody wants to know that. Nobody cares where these guys come from. Ian hates fun. They care about the coolness. No, you know what? No, it's that same shit. That's that fucking Indiana Jones, the last crusade all over again, right? Where that whole opening scene is about how Indiana Jones gets his scar, fear of snakes, and a fucking his whip love and his hat all came from one afternoon that is some fucking bullshit and Steven Spielberg should be ashamed of himself for even making that Steven Spielberg I know you're listening you should be ashamed of yourself that's a bullshit way to do a backstory well in an afternoon this is what happened And now it's changed my whole life. Here's the biggest problem, and it's been a problem for a long time. We all know it. I want another one of these. I don't. I got to drive home. I got to drive to my bed. Here is. Because I can talk movies all fucking night. There's movies I hate. Yes, there's movies I hate.
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    I'm telling you right now, I hate all the Star Wars movies. There's no originality. They keep rehashing these movies. Well, that's the thing. The universe is so small because they're making it smaller. Jon Favreau, full circle, Jon Favreau is expanding on that, and that's why The Mandalorian is such an amazing show. Would you rather see something brand new, like Star Trek to Star Wars, other than them trying to expand the Star Wars universe? What do you mean? Does that make sense? Well, like somebody comes up with a new space movie, not Star Wars, or would you just be like, well, this sucks now? no people try i know they try i've watched all that like disney comes out and they say well are you saying something that's not star wars correct but something like a space yeah like i said like like star trek to star wars but not star trek obviously no i would totally be in favor of that okay we we need fresh blood in this that's what i'm talking about it'd be a whole new story a whole new thing we need fresh fresh blood i got a million ideas somebody but but everyone would say well this is just a rehash of star wars not necessarily the way you do it is very determined all right if you were going to do a space opera right there's lots of different ways you can well let's start let's let's dissect this so like start the new star trek movies what do you think of those so when they rebooted star trek yep chris pine as captain kurt like like the pinball machine the new ones yes the problem with those and it's not a problem at all because i really like those movies actually i thought they were pretty good actually i really liked them too i think the problem was though is what with fans is they have that timeline in their head and what the lazy thing people were doing jj abrams by the way started it off was he just threw time travel in there yeah time he fucked it up okay time travel is not a good writing technique well it's not a good way to reboot a franchise yes it's good for movies like back to the future yes but not good for rebooting movies please don't reboot movies i'm a comic freak yeah every time i hear about time travel and like space travel and stuff i'm always like eh it just doesn't this motherfucker is making up rules it doesn't always right you're always like yep you're making up rules you don't know yes but no the that was the problem but i really did like those movies they were well done It almost is a shame that they couldn't make those movies into the next chapter. You know what I'm saying? Does it have to be Captain Kirk? Sure. It could have been somebody else.
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    Does it have to be Spock? Couldn't it be Spock's kid? You know what I'm saying? Sure. There's things there that you could expand on and create something brand new. Oh, I can see that. I can definitely see that. And the time travel stuff is lazy, but I like the movies. They're well done. No, they were. Well done. Like I said, I was never a big Star Trek fan, but I watched a couple of those movies and I was like, yeah, these are good. You want to hear about something I fucking hate?
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    You know what drives my gears? The X-Men franchise. Oh, boy. Here we go. From start to finish, the worst franchise. They have multiple movies. Bullshit. Those movies are bullshit. What movie? All of them. Oh, my God. Now we're going to fight. X-Men. Now we're going to fucking fight. The only redeeming factor in those X-Men movies was the opening scene in X-Men 2 with Nightcrawler. That was great. When he fights the White House. Crap. I can't even remember how many movies there were. There were a lot of X-Men movies.
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    Expeditionary Force. I don't know that. But Mike Williams, I'm on to it. I love it. What about the Deadpool movies? What are your thoughts on Galaxy Quest? I haven't saw those. I'm sorry. I got nothing. Yeah, I can't. Uh, Glenno, Star Trek meets Star Wars Christmas. I would pay to see that. Yes. Yes, that's a definite. It's like Dean Kuntz's novel. Did you? When you start binging quantum physics and parallel universe, there's no structure. Did you like the X-Men spinoffs? X-Men movies, X-Men movie reboots suck. Dude, all of the X-Men movies suck. Which ones did you like? Well, the original X-Men was great. Great? the original x-men all right no no the first one wolverine was great do you remember storm hailey berry had an accent yeah do you remember toad and saber tooth how terrible they were yeah i do remember the magneto being why are you ruining this for 98 year old man wait now he's like but what 105 what about the what about the spinoffs did you like origin we didn't make need I'm sorry, hold on. Let me just go into this small tangent. Yeah. Small. Tangent away. Magneto in the comics was ripped. Ian McKellen is an amazing actor. He is. He's no fucking Magneto. Well, he's not. I think he was a good casting choice. You don't think so? No. Who would you have casted for that? This is going to be... You guys are hate me. You guys hate me. Yeah, this is going to be terrible. Nobody's going to know who I'm talking about. Go ahead. Yeah, say some random monster movie guy from the 70s. Go ahead. From 1978. See, I knew. No, 81. I literally didn know what he was going to say I was born in 81 Oh my God I was born in 81 Fuck this guy It was the year I was born There give up Fuck you dude I don want to hear it There was a movie called The Pirate Movie Oh, this is terrible.
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    I'm going home. I'm done. This is bullshit. It was an old man with silver hair and six-pack abs. Get to the name. Who is this? I don't even know.
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    But he should have been the fucking Magneto. Hold on, hold on. you know you so wait 1981 so he would have been like 102 and like 2000 i want someone like him okay okay the pirate movie you don't think ian mckellen was a good choice 82 it was made in 82 not 81 okay what what casting choices did you like for x-men ted hamilton the pirate yeah nobody cares let's let's move on hold on you gotta see pictures of this guy and tell me he's not magneto Okay. Ted Hamill. I got to go home soon. This is bullshit. This is fucking garbage. This is awesome. You're going to love this. It's the highest levels.
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    Hold on. Let me Google this. Ted Hamilton is a fucking. I'll give you guys all your bits back if you tell Ian to shut the fuck up right now. All right. Hold on. Yeah. He just. Hold on.
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    Oh, God. Hold on. I just burped a bit. When is the debut of Drew and Jesse J. Tangent podcast? Glenn, we are working on that. Jesse J. and I are. That doesn't look like fucking Magneto right there. He could have been Magneto. I won't disagree with that. Fuck. Yes, he could have. You guys need to Google the shit out of fucking Ted Hamilton, the Pirate King.
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    Magneto. Okay. In the flesh. Let's go through a couple of those cash choices. Hold on. Let me drink this real quick. Yeah, go ahead and do that. Yeah.
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    Hang on. We got a picture coming up. Did you see that, Bob? Sorry. All right. Sorry. So Patrick Stewart's obviously a great Professor X. There's no denying that. Yeah. I remember. Do you guys remember Wizard Magazine? That was the comics, right? The comic price guide from the 90s and stuff. I used to love Wizard. and like i've been a comic guy my whole life so leslie nielsen come on oh jesus fucking expand your horizons tony i'm giving you your bits back you can go as i was talking about a guy from 82 and i'm just kidding tony you're not getting your bits back but now you're good man i love you but yeah i like i like the i like where your head is but wizard magazine used to have like casting choices for movies and this is long before all these popular movies right and they would they would fantasize about who was going to be the casting choices how bad would it have been arnold with long hair with so oh shut up just shut up yeah terrible but so wizard wizard i am magneto we i'm gonna find some of these you know what i'm just gonna they're probably cheap now i'm gonna buy a bunch of these because every month they did this and they did like because marvel movies weren't a thing in the 90s right they weren't making those movies they were Or they were bad. Well, if they had one, but I'm just saying. Captain America, Pounder's Shirt. In the 90s? In the 90s. Yeah, I guess they did. Yeah, Captain America's was really bad. But they always kind of fantasized about who would play what, and it was always Patrick Stewart to be. Like, that wasn't even a choice. No, that was good. Like, nobody ever said anything else. X-Men was not a great movie. I got to watch it again because I loved it. Yeah, it was not a good movie. Do you remember what theaters it was released in? No. None of them. why i saw it in a drive-in because nobody had it in the regular theater they just wouldn't play it why not because it wasn't a great movie it was sony though it was fucking brian singer he was it was he was new at the time they didn't know him it was a big x-men 2 was a big deal okay see i didn't hmm that was even a shit movie the opening was great the rest of the movie wasn't great the rest of the movies weren't great x-men 3 was terrible x-men 4 was there an x-men 4 Well, like I said, they had some... They rebooted it after X-Men 3. Well, it's kind of like Spider-Man. They ran into the blue problem, right? Every character that they introduced was blue. So you had Nightcrawler in 2, Beast in 3. You had Mystique. Yep, Mystique was blue. And then Angel turned into Archangel and turned blue. So everyone was fucking blue. Oh, and they fought blue guys, too. Everyone was blue. Yeah. They needed to get away from the blue thing. So X-Men was not a good franchise. I don't like that franchise. I'm a huge comic fan and that's why I hate it and nobody's done a good Gambit well Gambit wasn't really a centerpiece that was the problem they tried to do a Gambit movie and it didn't work out yeah Gambit Channing Tatum was not a Gambit no and that was what movie was that no he was going to play Gambit it just got scrapped it's still in the works yeah it's bullshit yeah there's there's several well you know spider-man same problem with avatar avatar you're 100 right clint 100 right the first the first avatar movies suck the first spider-man was only one but they all suck i know it they're coming out they're gonna yeah they are coming out exactly they will the first spider-man movie was fantastic and then the same thing it just it suffers from some of that same shit so anyways x-men and their leather costumes were cool yeah dude i'll give you that their costumes were fine and you know what like i said hugh jackman there's a reason he became a star and that was because of x-men yes he was phenomenal in that movie there are certain roles in that movie that were phenomenal do you like do you like the wolverine spinoff movies origin it wasn't hugh jackman's fault just same thing with james bond james bond movies lately haven't been great but i don't blame the james bond i blame the writing i don't blame Hugh Jackman's Wolverine movies as being bad. I blame it on the writing. It's not Hugh Jackman's fault. He did everything he could. Fair enough. Yeah. I thought the Silver Samurai was really weak. It was really weak. It wasn't called Silver Samurai. It was called the Wolverine. Yeah, the Wolverine was the one. Silver Samurai was in there. And then Origin. And then what was the last one? Nothing was Hugh Jackman's fault. That last one was good. Oh, Logan was good. Logan was, well, they took it a step back. Yeah, that was R-rated. They took a dip from the Deadpool poll. Yes, that was cool. Dripped it in a little X-Men. So you liked Logan. Logan was the only one that I thought was representative of what we're like X-Men fans. Did you like Deadpool 1 and 2? Ryan Reynolds did a fantastic job with Deadpool 1. He's awesome. Those are the best. Deadpool 2 was good. It was funny. It wasn't better than 1, but it was still good. Yes. So Deadpool. Sequels? that's another thing we can talk about but we won't get into it he looked at me like uh i'm out of here not not happening but sequels have gotten better yeah back in the 90s yeah if there was a sequel it was gonna be terrible yeah now sequels have gotten better yeah but anyway watch mandalorian watch deadpool one we're gonna leave email us poor man's symbols email.com let us know what you think we love you all right that's fucking friday bye again
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