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Episode 134 – Jurassic Deathballs

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·held·Sep 12, 2019
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TL;DR

Deathball tournament recap, playfield quality crisis, Dutch Pinball decline.

Summary

Ron and Bruce discuss the Deathball 2019 tournament, Jurassic Park and Willy Wonka playfield quality issues (particularly clear coat problems), historical context on pinball manufacturing differences, and Dutch Pinball business troubles. They also cover code updates, Dragonfist replacement, and preview upcoming events.

Key Claims

  • Stern is now handling/fixing the clear coat issues on Jurassic Park at Zach's bar

    high confidence · Ron states that they contacted Stern and the distributor about chipping/bubbling on the left star post, and both said they are taking care of it

  • Clear coat issues stem from improper 50-50 ratio of clear coat and hardener; being off in either direction causes rippling or chipping

    high confidence · Ron cites information from Ian on the Poor Man's A Pinball Podcast/This Week in Pinball about the technical cause of clear coat failures

  • Mirco Playfields (manufacturer of Willy Wonka and Quicksilver playfields) has systemic clear coat problems

    high confidence · Bruce states Mirco has problems with both Willy Wonka and Quicksilver aftermarket playfields; mentions Ryan C also had rippling issues on a Quicksilver restored machine

  • Stern changed their playfield manufacturing process around Iron Man (circa 2010-2011), causing wear in out-hole areas

    medium confidence · Ron references personal observation and a restorer's comparison of Iron Man playfield cross-sections showing manufacturing differences between eras

  • Dutch Pinball lost a lawsuit to ARA and had to pay their legal fees, leaving them approximately $150,000 after settlements

    medium confidence · Ron speculates on remaining funds after legal costs and licensing renewal, noting Dutch Pinball deteriorating financial position

  • American Pinball (Big Lebowski) was the darling of Expo but had major delivery and quality issues starting around 2014-2015

    high confidence · Ron describes Expo showcase and mentions 4-year history of Pinside complaints about receiving issues, dating to 2014-2015

  • Williams pinball machines from the 1980s-2000s era used higher-grade wood and better construction, which is why they hold up better today

    medium confidence · Ron references Pat Lawlor seminar from mid-2000s about Williams' use of 6-7 ply hardest wood, contrasting with later Stern economies

Notable Quotes

  • “I have never heard Stern say, I'm not going to fix it... Stern fixed it with either a couple of options. You can either get a regular playfield or a fully populated playfield.”

    Ron Halliburton @ ~44:00 — Defends Stern's warranty/replacement practices against criticism of playfield quality

  • “I'm the fucking smartest person in the fucking world. Bruce Nightingale is the smartest person. He's ahead of the curve, folks, once again.”

    Ron Halliburton @ ~33:00 — Self-deprecating acknowledgment that Bruce's earlier advice to re-clear Mirco playfields proved prescient

  • “It's two parts. It's the clear coat and there's a hardener. And it needs to be 50-50. And if it's not and if you're off one way, you get the rippling. If you're off the other way, it's too hard and you get the chipping.”

    Ron Hallett (citing Ian from Poor Man's Podcast) @ ~28:00 — Technical explanation for root cause of clear coat failures affecting multiple manufacturers

  • “What they should do is sell the rights of Dutch Pinball to some company... They should have just got out of it and been done with it.”

    Ron Halliburton @ ~58:00 — Criticism of Dutch Pinball's business strategy and recommendation they exit the market

  • “I think he said once, I only listen to episodes I'm on. Wow. Well, you don't even listen to any, so he's one up on you.”

    Bruce Nightingale / Ron Hallett @ ~68:00 — Humorous exchange about Tim Staxton's listening habits

Entities

Ron HalliburtonpersonBruce NightingalepersonStern PinballcompanyMirco PlayfieldscompanyDutch PinballcompanyAmerican PinballcompanySpooky PinballcompanyJersey Jack Pinballcompany

Signals

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    product_concern: Multiple manufacturers (Stern, Jersey Jack, Mirco) experiencing clear coat issues causing chipping, bubbling, and rippling on new games (Jurassic Park, Willy Wonka, Quicksilver). Root cause identified as improper 50-50 ratio of clear coat to hardener.

    high · Ron documents visible chipping/bubbling on Jurassic Park at his bar within days of delivery; cites widespread Willy Wonka complaints; references Mirco's EU chemical restrictions as potential contributing factor

  • ?

    manufacturing_signal: Stern's playfield quality appears to have declined since mid-2000s. Williams machines from 1980s-2000s show superior durability compared to newer Stern products, likely due to material and manufacturing process changes (wood grade, construction method).

    medium · Ron's comparison of Williams vs Stern machines; Pat Lawler seminar (mid-2000s) explaining Williams' 6-7 ply hardwood vs Stern's cost-cutting; visible degradation around Iron Man era (circa 2010-2011)

  • ?

    business_signal: Dutch Pinball facing severe financial pressure: lost lawsuit to ARA (required to pay ARA's legal fees), production halted pending Chinese manufacturing partner resolution, estimated ~$150k remaining capital after settlements and licensing costs.

    medium · Ron's analysis of Dutch Pinball's post-lawsuit financial position; references to ARA partnership breakdown and one-year support window; speculation about licensing renewal costs

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Community sentiment shifting negatively on new manufacturer games due to playfield quality. Pinside complaints about delivery and quality issues tracked back to 2014-2015 for American Pinball's Big Lebowski; current clear coat crisis generating significant negative discussion.

    high · Ron acknowledges Pinside complaints are valid; describes 4-year history of issues; notes people threatening to avoid purchasing new games; encourages contact with distributors rather than online complaints

Transcript

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0:00
You boys drinking beer? Uh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. We're fit-shaped. You boys look a little young. I'm gonna have to give you boys a sobriety test. Uh, no way.
0:15
I'm too drunk to take a test. Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, the show about all things pinball. I'm your host Ron Hallett, here with my co-host Bruce Nightingale. Earth angel, earth angel, will you be mine? So a really old 50s song. I'm actually watching Back to the Future in the background. Oh, oh, oh, is that some kind of veiled message? Is there a Back to the Future game coming out? Of course there is. Oh, do you have insider info? Of course, yeah, as soon as Dutch Pinball makes all the- oh. Oh. And welcome to episode 134. How's it been going, Bruce? It's been going. Tired. Very tired. Yep, that's a common theme. Bruce is always tired. It is. Yep. I had my in-laws up this weekend from Florida, first time they saw the bar. We earned over $1,000 at the bar for our local Humane Society lollipop farm. So a good thing for all the animals. I'd like to thank everyone who came out. And Bruce was on the TV and didn't break the camera. You were on TV? Well, first I was on the news, then you were on the news. I know, but my news was like important about the bar. Yours was about some stalking that you did and you know. I was on CBS. You were on Spectrum. I was on Spectrum, which for us carried more. Didn't you have me say Spectrum sucks many times? It does, I does. I'm glad they didn't look back at my podcasts. But they actually contacted us about two weeks ago, wanted to do a Spox, the head morning reporter for fun things to do in town saw us on her Facebook page. We picked the day, which was actually Kathy's birthday. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. Tony thinkerlightly steel, Backlash, I am going earlier today on the moon as we see at the end of last week's Penthouse and this second Monday gets here how we think we will see even more top of 10s at lower upcoming event in the long wrecks with your number on the mark with us again and then my little titbits that will keep together for the PMA Computer News Feedback. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. So 80s. It's basically below DVD quality, which is just...I don't get it. I can't get a copy of it. I'm happy that there was not one mention of Pinball Wizard. No song of Pinball Wizard ever in there. I actually like the title of that they actually chose. Take the Shot was the title of the thing, which I thought was really good. Did you tell them, like, don't use Pinball Wizard? No, I did not. Didn't even say one word. Okay. Because I expected it. I actually truly expected it. Did the reporter say, like, you must be a pinball wizard? No, she just said, she asked, we brought up the IFPA and how there's 55,000 members and I'm ranked below 1,000. So, uh, that was actually kind of cool when she mentioned that, so... Pretty cool! Now, when you say below 1,000, what does that mean? Like, you're ranked 900-something or you're 1100-something? I'm like 900. Okay. Below 1,000. Above 1,000 would be 1,100. Hmm, now I am still in the 300s somewhere. I've been in the 300s for a while. Yeah, owning a bar does not do well with points. Well, once the Pinburgh points come in, man, you're gonna skyrocket. Yeah, when's that coming? Mr. A Division. I would say 60 days from the end of Pinburgh, like it always does. Well, come on, get their asses in gear. Nah, they take the whole time. Oh my. Bruce, I was in your neck of the woods last weekend. Yes, you were. Yes, I was. Well, actually, the weekend before last weekend. I was there for Deathball 2019. Deathball. Which was at Zach's place where it was a round robin tournament where basically it was head to head and you got to play everybody at some point. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. All these things that we've talked about in the past, which are taking place in the short playing games, you can only play, you pick two games per round and you can only pick one long one. Now, but I mean, I mean, I think it should have been, I know what a rule was every, you know, you couldn't pick the same game every two rounds, you know, within two rounds. But I think you should only be able to pick the game once. You could have been playing genie or something else three or four times if the other people you played against picked it. But I think you should have only been able to pick each game once. That wasn't a problem for me because I didn't pick anything. I only picked if someone deferred. Yeah. I think I played Genie four fucking times. You got a problem with Genie, Bruce? No, that one. I just hate that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that. The tournament was Saturday. It started Saturday morning. I got there Friday night, and to be as fair as possible, I did not play a single game, Bruce. Ooh. Because that would have been unfair. Yeah, I didn't play any game at all. I got there just before one. Not only that, I... Well, I mean... And then the next morning, like practice started at 10 a.m., I did not play a single ball until 10 a.m. Oh my God, how do you not play without balls? I wanted to be very fair, very, you know, I don't want any nefarious things happening. Scott made the trip. Yes, he did. Our very own Scott, all the way from Philly. That's a long trek. Yes, it was. So, yeah, I played pretty good. See, the key was Zach didn't play in it. Mm-hmm. Well, he did. Well, he did, but he didn't. But he didn't. He played in lieu of someone else who was late getting there, because they had a bus problem. Yes. Yeah, their bus was late, or I think it got canceled and then they had to get on another bus. They were in travel pain. Mm-hmm. We played the, what, 14 rounds or whatever? Yes. Because it was like 14, yeah. Which still went fast because Zax games don't play particularly long. Even the ones that say long do not really play that long. Except maybe Solar Fire. That was playing pretty long. I didn't think so. I thought so. But, so after 14 rounds, guess who the top qualifier was? Some jerk off I know. He's part of a podcast.

Ron won first place at Deathball 2019 tournament, defeating Eric in the finals

high confidence · Ron describes tournament progression and final matchup with Eric over Demoman

  • Tim Sexton did the Shaker code for Jurassic Park

    high confidence · Ron cites information from Keith Elwin appearance on Head2Head A A Pinball Podcast

  • Dragonfist is being removed from Ron's bar and replaced with TX

    high confidence · Ron states Dragonfist's fist plastic is too fragile and the game is leaving the bar soon, being replaced by TX

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    Ericperson
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  • ?

    code_update: Jurassic Park received code update a couple weeks prior to episode recording with new match sequence; Willy Wonka also received code update. Indicates post-launch tuning and rules refinement.

    high · Ron explicitly states both games received updates; notes match sequence change for Jurassic Park

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Deathball 2019 tournament held at Zach's venue with round-robin format (14 rounds). Ron Hallett won first place after defeating Eric in finals on Demoman. Tournament featured games including Solar Fire, Demoman, and Genie.

    high · Ron describes tournament progression, final matchup, and trophy ceremony with steel deathball

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    personnel_signal: Tim Staxton confirmed as developer of Shaker code for Jurassic Park, via Keith Elwin's appearance on Head2Head Pinball Podcast.

    high · Ron cites Head2Head Pinball Podcast interview with Keith Elwin as source

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    venue_signal: Dragon Fist being removed from Ron's bar due to fragile fist plastic; replacement game is TX. Indicates operator decisions based on playfield durability and maintenance burden.

    high · Ron states Dragon Fist is leaving the bar soon and will be replaced by TX; notes fist plastic won't last two balls

  • ?

    community_signal: Discussion of Bruce Nightingale's absence from This Week in Pinball Podcast. Ron jokingly attributes this to Bruce's 'raunchiness' and editing burden, with playful calls for Dennis Kriesel/Zach to involve Bruce more frequently.

    low · Exchange about Bruce not being invited on TWIP despite being knowledgeable; framed as humorous commentary on editing difficulty

  • ?

    rumor_hype: Punny Factory announced by Pinball Buzz (pinballbuzz.com) as upcoming game with pun-themed gameplay, double shot danger targets, pop bumpers, slingshots. Status unclear (early announcement, feasibility uncertain).

    low · Ron expresses skepticism ('Some company is going to make these games that will probably never happen'). Limited details provided; described as speculative announcement.

  • ?

    historical_signal: Historical comparison showing Williams pinball manufacturing standards (1980s-2000s) were superior to modern Stern approach. Williams used premium materials (hardest wood, 6-7 ply construction) vs Stern's apparent cost-cutting measures.

    medium · Ron references Pat Lawler seminar and personal observations of playfield durability differences across eras

    • 8:48
    No, Jeff Teels wasn't there. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. So, I picked Solar Fire because I played it well the previous like two times I played it and I played it well again. I got like 1.8 million. I don't think Eric or Scott had over a million and Scott ended up third, just barely. So now it's just me against Eric. So I pick Demoman. Because you know I love Demoman. Yes, you do. And I had a decent game of Demoman. And I won the death ball. Mmm. Which the trophies, basically there was trophies for first, second, and third place. The third place trophy was like just a regular pinball. Like in a... where were they on? You saw them. It was like a piece of wood. Piece of wood. With like a hole in it like to mount it. So you have one
    10:18
    Of course, so the first one was a pinball The second one was bigger and then the third one was like this three-pound huge like steel ball Which you couldn't touch beforehand. You couldn't touch it. There was no touching it
    10:32
    When Zach presented the award he had gloves To not smear. Yes, you can't touch the death ball purse www.willywonka.com Thank you. Come on. Come on. I have to ask. You're the one who brought it up and I asked, where is that? Where is that? That's where it is. And I got to play a shit ton of Jurassic Park. Yes. I really wanted to get some play in on the Jurassic Park. And how long have you had that there? Probably about two and a half weeks now. So not long. No, not long at all. And we'll get into this subject a little later, but the interesting thing was, you have chipping. I have chipping. And so we'll get into the clear coat discussion, but not just chipping, you have paint loss. I already have paint loss. Yep. In the wonderful slingshot post area, which seems to be super popular for this. Yep. But it's being taken care of. Oh, it's being taken care of. Okay. We'll get into that later. But the game itself, I really liked it. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. I'm just gonna be changed. Yes. You were always the loop champion. I am. That should be your nickname. Instead of slam, you should just be the loop champion. Mr. Loop. The Looper. The Loony Looper. There you go. Yeah, that's definitely you. Double L. I mean it was cool. I liked the shots. Mmhm. The rule set. What of it I could really understand. I mean the chaos was a little bit harder, but it was fun. Multiball is cool. I like watching some of the animations, like Chaos, you see all the dinosaurs escaping, running all over the place. Like the T-Rex animation, we start the T-Rex multiball. All very cool. Yes, I totally agree. A definite winner from Stern Pinball. Yes, Stern Pinball, your preferred choice in all pinball machines. Okay, so there's just nothing that compares to Stern? Right now, no. No, that's true.
    14:07
    Well, since we talked about it, clear coat. Yes. What's going on with that? It's chipped. It was bubbled, but when we first got it, we noticed that after a day, the left star post was bubbled around only the top of it. So it's actually not even in the playing area. So it's actually underneath the left slingshot plastic. And then a couple days later, we noticed, looked back at it, and like, oh, the paint's actually We contacted Stern and Stern said they're taking care of it. We contacted actually the distributor and distributor said they're taking care of it. So what are your views? This seems to be the new hot topic is all the clear coat issues. It seems to be like Willy Wonka, a lot of clear coat issues. Seems like one or two things either it's like gets ripples and it's like soft and it'll Recording off a
    15:30
    Because it's like the Williams games don't do that. Of course not. I totally agree with that. And they don't have like all the pits in them. Nope. All the pitting like I look at some of my you know my Getaway, my Star Trek Next Gen, like none of those have any of that. And those things are like 20, 25 years old. But wait, I have an AFM that it looks great until you look at it at an angle. I have so many ball marks on it, it's not even funny. The whole playfield is potted, you know, all bumps. But if you look at it... That's also AFM. I know. It should be called air balls from Mars, the amount of air balls. Yes, I agree. I mean, it's not like they didn't have playfield issues. Like, for example, I'll use one of my own games as an example. Bram Stoker's Dracula. Stroker. Yeah, of course. Not Stroker.
    16:25
    It's Stroker. It's not Stroker, Bruce. Although that sounds like a KISS song. I'm sure it is. Bram Stoker's Dracula. That's Joker. Stern had basically two playfield manufacturers. Do you remember them? Mmm, one was Churchill of course. Well no, not for Dracula. Oh, I forget the two names. Lank Smith. Yeah. And Sun. Each made runs for Dracula. So there's playfields that are Sun playfields, playfields that are Lank Smith playfields. Tim H.: Not the sun. No, I don't. And I have the planking. Yes. But it's like, you know, back then, when there was no home market, I mean, it's on location, you think the operator gave a shit? No, not at all. No. It's a much bigger deal now. Mm-hmm. Because of the home market. I mean, you can't have, you can't have, like, shipping and graphics coming up. No, not at all. Oh, but wait a sec. It seems like every manufacturer has, except for Spooky, because Spooky did have issues before and didn't rectify them. Yeah, the funny thing is, out of all these manufacturers, you know who's the one manufacturer that makes their own playfields? Spooky! Spooky. But they did have issues also. They had issues with TNA. Yes. I've heard of no issues whatsoever with Alice Cooper. Yes. Totally agree. And with Stern, it's like on and off. It seems to be like some have issues, some don't. And it's probably just by batch. Like a certain batch might have a problem. But I mean with Jersey Jack it does like with Pirates and now with Wonka they seem to be getting it the hardest. And who makes their playfields? For Willy Wonka it's Mirco. And they also had problems with some of their aftermarket playfields including Quicksilver. Oh really? Yes. What kind of issues with Quicksilver? Ask Ryan C because he had the same rippling on his. Oh. Oh! He had this whole machine done on his whole new, got it done by a restorer. The restorer didn't do anything and guess what's rippled? Penis rippling. Yes, penis rippling is really hard. Oh, I'm sure it is. It's so rippage. So does Mirco know how to clear coat? They do not it seems like. But the weird thing is I'm going to give them a little harder, a little easier time. Okay. The reason why is they live in the EU, which is the European Union, which has harder chemical standards than even California does. Like, honestly, if any pinball manufacturer probably wants to make pinball playfields or anything kind of clear coat, go to the down south, deep south. Well, I was listening to This Week in Pinball and they had the Poor Man's Podcast guys on there and one of them like works in the industry. But I think his name was Ian. And he basically said the crux of it is it's two parts. It's the clear coat and there's a hardener. And it needs to be 50-50. And if it's not and if you're off one way, you get the rippling. If you're off the other way, it's too hard and you get the chipping. And if it's screwed up, that's it. I mean, you have to sand it off and redo it. Yep. And I guess there are clear coats that come like pre-mixed, but I'm guessing they're probably way more expensive and that's why they don't do that. They are. So all you have to do is just have one batch where the, you know, the 50-50 is a little off and boom, you're going to have a whole batch of playfields that are going to be screwed up. I agree totally. Remember, listeners, in the past, Bruce has said, like, when getting repro playfields from Mirco, what did you say you'd do with them? Re-clear them. The guy sands them down and re-clears it. Yep. And I was like, you're crazy. That's so stupid. But now... Hey, hey, I'm the fucking smartest person in the fucking world. But Bruce is the smartest person. He's ahead of the curve, folks, once again.
    20:32
    But, I mean, when Jersey Jack had a... Jack of Jersey Jack, he came out with a statement. Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. Mm-hmm. The other thing, I remember this distinctly from a expo seminar, and this was a long time ago. This was before anything was streamed during one of the expo seminars. So this would have been in the mid-2000s. Mm-hmm. It was during Pat Lawler's seminar. And one of the questions was about why the Stern Playfields of that era, which would emit mu thousands just didn't seem to stand up as well as the williams place for us and he was saying how like back in the day williamsFEX verw所以呢 used to make the way split fields don't there's like a certain measurement would heartiness the parts they actually would I i think that was called that like a certain scale and williams would basically use the heart of sport Hardest wood in seven ply or six ply, if I remember correctly. And it was like, you know, above furniture grade wood. Yes, it was. And he said like Stern, and this is when he still worked for Stern, like he said either like it was too expensive or you couldn't even get that like that grade or whatever anymore, like that they made, you know, the wood that they made the playfield from. That was probably 10, 15 years ago. I saw that. I just didn't. That sticks in my head. I just remember that. I mean, we talked about this in the early days of the podcast. Like, even Stern themselves, they changed something with their playfields around Iron Man, somewhere around there. Because before that, if you have like an original Lord of the Rings, you have a Simpsons pinball party, you know, any of that era, you're not going to have wear in your out hole area. Oh, there you go. I know, we've been talking about this for two years. Now it becomes an oh my godder. Any thing after like a certain point, like 2010, 11, all those games were in the out-of-the-hull area now. Yep, they'd ship right away and then... They'd change something with the... and I remember seeing a Restorer who was doing like an Ironman and he got like another playfield from Stern and he compared it to like an original Ironman playfield to the newer Ironman playfields and you could just see like the cross-section of it. It was just different the way they were doing it. The Wally Winka Show, Knapp Arcade, Straight Down the Middle, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, It's happening. It's been happening for years. Sometimes it's too much clear. Sometimes it's not the proper quantity. Don't forget, too much clear is a bad thing also. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. I've always done it that way and guess what? I never have problems. And he actually clears monster tables for like executive boardrooms that these tables are worth like to And these guys are going to notice any blemish in it because it sitting there big among the boardroom people are multimillionaires and they going to go they going to judge people by that John Popadiuk Bob Betor Knapp Arcade The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Larry K. Sheats Jr., meri3dSP REPORTS copying supporting Literally, that's the first thing you should do. Take a bunch of pictures and post it on Pinside. And criticize. Oh, criticize how bad they are and how much they suck. Yeah, suck, suck, suck, suck, suck.
    26:27
    Give them a break. You know, it's going to happen. It's been happening for over 20 years. But Bruce, I spent $7,000 on this machine. I totally agree with you. And guess what? I have never heard Stern say, I'm not going to fix it. I have people who have had Metallica playfields around magnets that were chipping after three or four, even six months later. You know what Stern did? They fixed it. They fixed it with either a couple of options. You can either get a regular playfield or a fully populated playfield. They do it. They did it for your ACDC. Yes, they did. Because of the seam on the hell playfield. On the window. The window. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Knapp Arcade, The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Keith Elwin, Laser Los, Bowen Kerins, Larry Kizrow, Knapp Arcade, Chris Van Herne, Wall Street Journalists, SY And since these people probably haven't complained too much to the right holder, as they should have after a year... You mean like Predator? Yes. Because Predator, that's what happened. They actually just went right to the rights holders and said like... They went right to Fox and said, hey... Do you know they're selling this game? Did you get permission for this? Exactly. Now we know they got permission because of... Oh yeah. ...from Mr. Sharp himself. Yeah, yeah. Well, they made an initial deal and then they had the original prototypes it's something that I worked very seriously on and so making it happen to transfer more material more features over different boomer hyperboloids answering professional questions and Pång Ka ship yes and can you name a few that justLAG segurý who you What can you name a few of these ... and And yeah say いた Take it on I'll take any money you're gonna give me. I wonder how much that license is. It can't be that much. I guarantee. Here's how stupid Dutch Pinball probably is. They just sold these last games, the last, what was it, 40 or 50? That was all sold through, what, Cointaker? No, no, no, no, no. No? No. Some were sold through Cointaker. Okay. They were already pre-deposited. Some were sold through, I think a couple were sold for Dutch, Main The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. Well, it doesn't seem that bad anymore, does it? Well, man, if they have all this money, it should be easy to build all the new games, Bruce. No, because pinball is hard to build, remember? And now you're still talking to the Chinese company, because ARA is not going to build one more thing for them. Oh, no. No, they're done. They already said that. Yeah, exactly. And I think ARA in the new thing said they're only going to do repairs for like another year or two, which is against... They have to go by date of manufacture. It has to be for EU rules, five years. That is a EU rule. So if anything breaks, they have to support that part and Dutch Pinball for five years, but from date of manufacture, not from date sold. We had this problem in my company and I work for a company from Europe. There's little tricks around these things. alert-based communication thanks for watching 07.き Yourselves Trove And don't forget, since they lost the lawsuit, Dutch, they had to pay for the legal fees for the other company, ARA. So let's just say they maybe had maybe $180,000 left. How much do you think they paid for those rights? $30,000, maybe $50,000 for a renewal? Who knows how long they did in renewal? That's another thing. We don't know. But OK, let's just say $25,000. So you got about $150,000. What would be the thing to do proper? Refund the effing money. Refund and just move on. Yes. But they're under this illusion that they can pull this out of the fire. What they should do is this. A, sell the rights of Dutch Pinball to some – well, first they should have sold an ARA. They should have just got out of it and been done with it. Then they could have wiped their hands clean and said, hey, here, everyone now bring up with ARA. Here's your bills. This is what you deal with. B, sell the rights to another company, American Pinball, anybody else. The Wally Winka Podcast is brought to you by Wally Winka Media Group, LLC. Let's say let's... They showed it at Expo and they were like the darlings of Expo that year. Oh, I remember. For those who were there, like they went right after everyone. They had... How many did they have? Five or so? I think they did. Big Lebowski's. They had like the carpet. They had a whole huge booth. Then they brought one up to like the penthouse where you had like... You had like the pinball celebrities up there. Like you know, Bowen Kerins was up there. They had Todd McCulloch, you know, former NBA player was up there. We're playing this game. I think they even recorded that or streamed it or something. Yeah, they were the darlings of the whole show. Oh, I remember. I remember I had the girls walking around with all these wires. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure that would go over well now. Oh, God. We were all scantily clad when they were passing out this. Yes, they were. Yeah, and you know how many games of it I played? I've played five or six. I played like one ball and it broke. Yeah. I have the worst luck with these games, it shows. Alien, like every one I played broke. You're just a brute. I don't have me play your game if it's new, because it's probably just going to break. But I remember, I mean they had like, you saw like, and I think I filmed it too, it's back when I was doing the walkthroughs. And I have one where you see like Gary Stearns looking at it like, hmm, you know as he's walking by. Oh yeah, they were like the darlings. It was like celebrities. Like, shit's getting real, man. And it got real all right.
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    Four years ago, they started the Pinside Club about issues with this game as in receiving this game. Okay. Four years ago. So you're already talking 2015. I think it was like 2014, I think. All right. By car MvP podem meleste ut лет, Therefore. With all the other sponsors, vend больше. This is a specialized for loan signing for our
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    Kinin on 있어 The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. Mark, delivering the first ones in 2015. Um, no. Yeah, so. I think we spent enough time on the Dutch fiasco. It's just, you know, but going back to that, people didn't sue them for that. But now they're throwing a holy shit hell storm about playfields that are an issue. I'm not going to deny it. I know some of these manufacturers might deny it, but I'm not going to deny it because I have one sitting in my bar right now. It happens. But, guess what? Let it all work out. And I know some people are saying, don't buy pinballs, don't buy this. Yeah, that's stupid too. Maybe they're going to stop a line. Maybe they're not going to build it right now and figure out what's going on. But if you have one of these machines, it's going to get fixed. It's gonna. The Bruce has spoken. And what do you feel? What if you had one of these machines in your basement that was chipped? Would you stop playing it? Would you cry and get on pin side all the time? Or would you do what I just said? I would contact my distributor. Thank you. Just like I did when my dialed in, even though it was a smaller issue, but the lightning bolts for Mr. QED dude were like completely broken. Yep. They were rubber banded and broken and I thought it was actually, it came in two pieces and I'm trying to like put it together. And I'm realizing, like, oh, wait a minute. No, it's not like this. What the hell happened?
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    So that's that. Let's go to news. Piece of news, Bruce. So I'm at This Week in Pinball. Hi, Jeff. How are you today? I'm great. Oh, This Week in Pinball Podcast had Crystal Gemnick of the Riptide Pinball Podcast was there this week. Hi, Crystal. But I have not been asked. You were on it, but I'm not asked. I guess they're not ready for the raunchiness of Bruce. Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah, Zach, this week in pinball podcast. They're not ready. They're not ready for the raunchiness. Come on, come on. Dennis Kriesel, I know you listen to us, at least occasionally.
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    Talk to Zach. Why isn't Bruce on? Yeah. Contrary to what everyone believes, he is... Bruce is much smarter than me, especially when it comes to pinball. And they don't want to have the editing nightmare, I betcha. D-Day, K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K-K. Well, I'm sure you can behave. It's hard. You've seen me. It's really fucking hard. Yeah.
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    Are you allowed to swear on their podcast? Yeah, but they just bleep it out. What the fuck? Oh, God. It's going to be five minutes of bleeps. Oh, on with the news. Maybe this has to be like all in the beginning. Like, motherfucker, cocksucker. Stop.
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    No, that's Mrs. Penn. Jurassic Park and Willy Wonka update. Yes, Willy Wonka got a new code update. Jurassic Park got it a couple weeks ago, but it's on the bar. We came with new match sequence. And Keith Elwin was on Head to Head, a pinball podcast, talked about Jurassic Park. We did learn that, most importantly, Timmy, Tim Staxton did the Shaker code for Jurassic Park. Hi, Tim. We covered that. I think he said once, I only listen to episodes I'm on. Wow. Well, you don't even listen to any, so he's one up on you. Yeah, that's true. That's true. Well, I have to edit them, so...
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    So what else news do we have there besides codes updates? Codes updates, playfield issues, we talked about that. Did you get your plastics yet? My fist? Yes. Yes, I got my Dragon Fist plastics. And how are they? Look fine to me. I'm not going to put the fist plastic on unless I get some kind of Lexin protector before I put it on because it literally won't last two balls. No, it won't last two balls. No. Yeah. For those who have Dragon Fist, the fist plastic, yeah, that's in the middle. It just, it will obliterate instantly. Yes. The game just has too much speed. But that will be leaving the bar soon. Oh, no more Dragon Fist? No. What's replacing it? TX, TX, TX. and
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    Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi, The Sound for that. Let's see. It doesn't say. There is no credits. Golly didn't have credits for stuff like that. I mean, whoever did that, you are a genius. That is like a masterpiece. The sounds that game makes with the weird like roars and stuff it does, like what the hell is this game doing? Well, they're probably one of the two people, either Dave Zabrowski or Craig Fire Waltz. They did the majority of premiere music. That's not a premiere game though. That was a premiere game. No, it's not. It was after 87. Oh, you're right. It's 88. Hey, I remember. I'm thinking Alien Star. I'm always thinking of Alien Star. I'm sorry. I know. So, yes, I'll see you in less than two weeks for the Stomp. Well, we'll talk about that, but first, Punny Factory. What the fuck was that? I saw this and I was like, what the fuck is that? Some company is going to make these games that will probably never happen. Yeah. They actually have a picture of like the cabinet art. Uh-huh. And let's see, I want to, there was a blurb on this here. This is from a company, it's called Pinball Buzz. They're at pinballbuzz.com. Oh no, there's been an explosion in the punny factory and all the puns have run loose. You must help Casey to gather all the puns that have broken loose during the explosion. It's your job to help Casey collect all the missing puns to get the punny factory up and running again. Are you excited? It's going to have a very target. It says there's going to be double shot danger targets. I don't know what that means. Along with everyone's favorite pop bumpers, slingshots, and kickbacks for nonstop action.
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    Wait a minute, there's going to be an industry first. There's going to be an interactive smokestack system that simulates factory smoke. Great, my fire alarms are going off in my bar now, great. That's actually kind of interesting. So actual smoke. How would you be able to tell if the game's actually on fire then? When something doesn't work anymore. Oh, it's got a new game so everything's going to be that way. All right. Okay, that's enough of the news. So in two weeks... Two weeks, stomp. Stomp. Three. Three, the search for Sulu. Yes. I have been working hard or hardly working. No, I've been working hard, trying to get all the games ready.
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    Cleaning 29 games is a pain in the ass. Yes, it is. But I did get through them all, fixing little issues along the way. Good. So as of right now, everything is ready game-wise. I actually just replaced a bunch of lights with LEDs. I'm sure you'll be happy. Mm-hmm. A little less back box heat, hopefully, will be generated. Ooh. Next, I have to work on just the streaming overlay. I want everything to be ready well ahead of time so I don't have to screw with it. Mm-hmm. But that'll be cool. I cannot wait to see you. I think I have the day off. The day before, I have a party of 50 people at the bar.
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    As we have, how many people have signed up? 42. Oh, 42. And two still on the wait list. Wait list? There's still a wait list. There's a wait list. Oh my goodness. It would be better to have 44. So maybe you should write in to Ron and say, we need 44 so then the banks are all even. And then it'd be 20 people going to the finals.
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    Go ahead, tell Ron. Tell me? And then tell you that you want 44. You heard Zach say it already. Well, he went to 48. I know, but we can go 44. And then don't forget, when you go to Stomp, if you're one of the lucky 42 so far, what do you need to do for Ron? You need to sign George. Nope. Big hug. Oh, stop. Big hug and- Stop with the hug. No. And bring a copy of Star Trek III. I already have Star Trek III. I'm surprised. I've seen Star Trek III. I've actually seen them. I saw that in the theater. So did I. It was okay. I couldn't understand why Savick all of a sudden was a different actress. Yeah, bring back Christy Alley. Let's split her right into that one. Split her right into that one. I have no idea what that means. Like take away the other one and put Christy Alley into it. So, Bruce, if there's actually two people on the wait list... Yes, there is. ...and there's 42... Yep. ...then expand it to 44. All right. We're going to have to contact those two people. Just do it. See? Just do it. Might as well do it now so they have time. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. All right. I'll, you know, I'll do it under one condition. I can't win money. That's fine. You'll donate your prizes to something else. Donate it to the, to a, to a good cause. Or if I make finals, we should do a thing like, I think this is what Zach was going to do for death ball too. If he made finals, he wouldn't play in it. I think it was like the next, whoever the next person up would get in. There you go. I like that. So if it's top, how much, how many is it? I just want to take the money. Remind me of our, our format. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. The Wally Winka Game we had that went like forever. We have two people on the wait list. We have Davey Pleisted. You know the winner of what did he win He won Allentown or Pinball He won one of the major Northeast tournaments Oh we have three people on the wait list now We going to be screwed here Oh, boy. Looks like you'll have to drop out, Bruce. No. Come on. You should make the sacrifice. I'm driving four hours. You can make the sacrifice. I'm driving four hours. Oh, this poor person that's third. Bruce does not want to make the sacrifice for you. Nope. Nope. I already paid. I'm in. Oh, you're funny. I'm truthful. Yes, you are truthful.
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    So I will tell these two. And I guess if we get close and everyone's still in, we could tell the third person, like, well... I'm by if you're in, you're in, you're not, you're not, you're not. What do you mean? If a person showed up, you still wouldn't drop out to give them a spot? I'd say I'm sorry. You can play in the other tournament that we have here for Project Pinball. Is that in the spirit of Stomp? Produced by the citizens of New York City FC and Sci céu. We're going to do a Bar-toberfest, which is our thing for next month for the dogs of our local Humane Society. I donate my share to Bar-toberfest. Oh, I thought you said Octoberfest the first time. No, it's Bar-toberfest. I thought you were going to donate it to get an Octoberfest. Why? No, I would never do that. So you wouldn't consider Octoberfest for your bar? God, no. Why not? I just wouldn't. But why not? I would not. No, you're not, because we don't have to anymore, see? Well, you know, brother, STOMP is where it's at, dude! Come on! There you go. I still can't believe there's a waitlist. That's just silly. It's silly! I agree. It's silly, Bruce!
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    They're gonna enjoy the Meteor. I love Meteor. How did I not have a Meteor until now? When I saw somebody actually posting, do I pick Meteor or Blackout, I was like, whaaaaat? Oh, yeah, yeah. One or the other. It's like, um... That's not even a question. Yep. And I like Blackout. I'm a Blackout fan. I mean, I like Warlock better, which is Blackout. Yes. You know, different rules. But, yeah, come on. Meteor is like, it's probably one of the best Stern games ever made. Exactly. I know. I know it's popular. Sold the most. Yep, sold the most. Number one. And it was one of their only licenses. Yes. Actually, wasn't it their only license? What else did they have that was licensed? I think that is the only one. Yeah, look at the backglass. It actually has like 1978 whatever pictures, Columbia pictures, whatever. So like, oh yeah. And the backglass is actually I think just a movie poster. Mm-hmm. I think that is the only one. I think that's the only one. Thus proving licensing equals sales. Yes. Gary Stern had it right. There you go. So, what else are we talking about there, Sir Chunk-A-Lot? Yeah, Sir Chunk-A-Lot. Su me ba vemos yaeen!
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    Remember my complaining about the change of the beep? Oh yeah. Yup. You brought it back? Brought it back. Isn't that great? I'll finally get to hear my beep. Did you get the credit for it then? I guess there was more people than me to complain about it, but I did it on a podcast, so that means it's just me. Woo-hoo! Badoom-boom-boom-ba-doom-boom-boom-boom-doom. Woo-hoo! Sorry. Uh, Blur? Really? Hey, I knew the name of the group. Who else would have known that? Wow. Yeah. That was the name of the group. I'm sorry. Yeah, that was the name of the group, Blur. I think that was their one song. Mmm. What's the name of it? Woohoo? That's not the name of the song. Woohoo! I don't know. I don't even know. It's just like, it's the Woohoo song. Ah, the 90s. Woohoo song. Woohoo song? It just, yeah, Google Woohoo song and see if it comes up. Actually, it's came up as Blur. I think that is the name of it. Woohoo. It is Woohoo. No. No. That's not the name. It is. No. The No, no, no, no. I don't believe that. You go to, wait a sec. Blur Song 2 Dash YouTube. Yeah, no, it's called Song 2. That's the name of the song. Oh, really? Yes. Let me see. Yep. Song 2. That's the problem when you Google stuff and people put wrong shit in there. Song 2 is a song by English rock band Blur, often mistakenly titled as Woo Hoo. Byron 베드석, Below the Artboard, And now, the new present. Present 2015. Still together. Same four guys, too. Wow. Okay. They were on a hiatus from 2008 to the present, but they actually released since 2015. So you can still hear the woohoo. Okay. Enough of that. Thanks. No, it's more like boohoo. Why am I listening to this? Boohoo. I was like that song. I was on STEM TV constantly. Speaking of tournaments, there were two tournaments this past weekend. Oh! Yes, you had the, what's the official name, Cleveland Pinball... Cleveland Pinball Show. Show, tournament, and then you had the Northwest Pinball Classic, or championships, probably championships, the NWPC. And I will go to Neverdrainz, because they were both on Karl Software. Oh! Knapp Arcade, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, Bally Williams, Straight Down the Middle, The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. The guy who was the top seed played more entries than I can fit in two pagefuls. Wow, you must have had a lot of money. But the thing is, everyone looks like that except Keith Elwin. Of course. He is by far the least amount of attempts.
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    But he did not win. Fail. Well, first they had Classics Finals. And it was won by Drew Sedolia. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Scott Danesi. Film Courage
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    were ranked worse than a thousand that's a fair where these wards That's a bad word to use. Worse. What's that correct? Is it under a thousand or over? Higher than a thousand. Okay. Yeah, but if you're ranked higher, isn't it better? I don't agree with that. Okay. Anyone wants to write into the slamtiltpodcast at gmail.com mailbag or ball bag and tell us it's ranked higher or lower. See, to me, ranked higher means you're higher. Like, number one is the highest rank. Make it so number one with a higher number. So if you're a thousand and you're ranked higher, that means you're actually a lower number. Wait a second, hold on. Let's do it a different way. Okay, here we go. Bruce-ism time. You ever watch the show Card Sharks? Ummm... When you were a kid, or the newest one that came out. There was one, wasn't there one like, I think that's the one that ended up getting Press Your Luck Spot. Yeah. Where they flip the card, and they go higher or lower. So they are going lower by lower number. But the better card is always the ace or the king. So... But ace is also known as one. I know, but I'm saying kings are also higher. If you had an eight, you go higher or lower. King is higher, so it's better. If I'm 100 ranked and I want to get a higher ranking, then I want to be lower. Yeah. So, you know, if I was 100 and I went to 90th, I'd say I moved up. I wouldn't say I moved down. I got a lower number though. So, basically, players ranked lower than 1,000, hence higher number. Yes, whatever. Yes. The Classics Amateur Finals, we have the winner. Maybe I should do, I'll do it the opposite way. Fourth place first, Robert Klug in fourth, Maureen Hendricks in third,
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    Masilia Wolfe in second, and John Comberry in first. Man, I am butchering these names. I love it. Oh, tomorrow. That's right. Leave it up to you on this. Oh, man. Then they had a Classics Finals. Oh, no. Yeah. In fourth place, we had Karl DeAngelo. Who's that guy? Well, he finished because it was Classics, so he couldn't play like Wizard of Oz or Pirates of the Caribbean because Karl DeAngelo is the greatest Pirates of the Caribbean player alive. He's probably the only one that knows every single nuance of every rule of that game. And when he streamed it, he had the only one I ever saw that you could backhand like the The right ramp with the right flipper. He did steroids to it. He probably high tapped it. Derek Price in third, Todd Raffes in second, and Will McKenney in first for the Classic Finals. Congratulations on butchering those names. Good job. I got most of them. Shut up, you. Then they had the, let's see, we had the Women's Finals. We had Ashley Weaver, oh thank you Ashley, that's an easy one, Ashley Weaver in fourth, Zovia Gill in third, That was an easy one. Jasmine DeJong in second, and Hannah Hatch in first. And they had multiple issues during the women's finals with power issues. They had a storm and a lightning hit. Ay caramba! Yeah, took out all the power. So then they had to do like compensation balls. And then they had like Attack for Mars Reset. Oh. So they had some adventures. Yikes. Yeah, yikes. Then we had the open amateur finals. Oh, God. How many? Exactly. We have Esteban Estudio. I think I said that right. Jay Marks in third. Johnny Hill in second and Jaron Jones in first. And then you had the actual open finals, like the main tournament. In fourth place you had Steve Bowden. Hi Steve. Final bonus. Third place you had Karl DeAngelo. Again, I'm looking, there was no Pirates or Wizard of Oz in the final. Otherwise he clearly would have won. And in second, Raymond Davidson. In first, Robert Gagnon. Congratulations. They played Godzilla. I actually watched the finals. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Scott Danesi. The semifinals and the finals.
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    And everyone's always like, why can't they do all the finals? Exactly! Because when you watch the same games over and over and over, man, you have to be hardcore to do that. Because to me it just gets so boring watching the same games over and over. When you only see them that one time, it's so much better. I agree.
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    And then, but that wasn't it, Bruce. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. www.cont regardewithnetwork.b roaming.com http://Facebook.com http://www.R fucking
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    youtube pro F trap K mask K P K P K The Winners Who Have Fallen Asleep, as we recited all the winners. Speaking of tournaments, I hear there's one coming to the world famous Silver Ball Saloon. You told me about this when I visited last week. I was unaware of this. You knew about it before it was announced. But since it has been announced now, why don't you fill us in, Bruce? What's happening? Huh? December 7th, butthole. The pinball is the world tour of Pinball Profile. He has picked ten locations all over the world to have his tournament out. Who's he? Pinball Profile. Jeff Teolis. The Jeff Teolis? The Jeff Teolis. The most famous ginger ever? Yes. So, on December 7th, we are going to have a tournament with 48 players in it. Be sure to logon to pay invoice info at payav Rollein.com I will probably not be there. Fail, fail, fail. Because we are going to have a little event called the Varney Cup. I think the Varney Cup needs to be pushed back one week because of this new and updated pinball tournament. Because I think some 518ers will want to come out to this tournament and not be denied the opportunity to play first at Silver Ball Saloon and second to play against world-class players. The Wally Winka Podcast is brought to you by Wally Winka Media Group, the Wally Winka Podcast is brought to you by Wally Winka Media Group. That's it for today's edition of the There's a t-shirt? Oh my goodness. There's a t-shirt you get when you buy an entry too. Well, you see, by me not playing, it just opens it up for other people.
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    Is this going to be on mybookie.net? Of course it is. I hope so. Because, you know, then I won't play so that I can actually bet on people. You'll just bet on Zach. Would I do that? Of course you would. He wins everything there. Not all. No, Andy's one thing is there too. Okay. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. Please subscribe, like and share!
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    We have a stock at slam till podcast at gmail.com or how you want to hear more episodes. I try, but Bruce is never available because he's just too busy. I bought a new game. You got a new game. Yes, you did one of your wonderful selfie pictures. Yes, I did. Your shit eating grin, if you will. This was a shitty grin one. It's probably some game. You probably picked up like a Quicksilver for like $100 or something. No, no, no. So a customer came to the bar. Actually, a couple have come in lately, so I'm working on another deal also. But a customer came in the bar and they're like, hey, I work at this place now and they got a game in the back warehouse. Nobody plays it. It's all packed up. And I said, well, give me a picture of it. I'm expecting like an older game, maybe the EM. He gives me a picture of a twister. Like, OK, not a bad game, you know. So I said, give me a price, you know, so we can figure something out. John Popadiuk, Bob Betor, Knapp Arcade, Agent Malo is on your window sharp.
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    No, I don't want to buy it. I don't want to sell it anymore. I've had that twice in my life. Really? Yes. Like, like what games were they? So you went there to pick it up and like, let's just play one game. One was an old early Star Trek. Valley Star Trek. Yep. And one was an old Strikes and Spares. Was it Ryan Seay? No. Did you look at the back glass and say like, nah, mate, I can't get rid of this one. Sorry. So I just said, let's throw it in. Then he sees the car I'm putting it in, which is my Subaru. Oh, I had not that back, but I have a Forester. And he's like, that's not fitting in there. It is. He's like, well, if you can't fit in there, like, no, I'll be gone in five minutes. Three minutes later, it was in the back of the car. He's like, oh, my God, I didn't think it was going to happen. Like, yep. Did you say like, you've done this before, haven't you? Yes, I have. So Twister will beat the bar at some point, I assume. It will be, hopefully. All right. I'm trying to remember, does that have the thing where the balls all come down to like a disc with a magnet and it spins and they go flying? Yes. Kind of like Lost in Space, does the same thing? Yes. Okay. Yes, yes. So that, is that a showcase game? No. But it is a Sega. It is a Sega. Let's see, have I picked up any new games? No, I haven't. Failed. But I have another one in the works. Maybe another Harlem. Another Harlem? Mm-hmm. There's just so many of them. All right, repairs. What you been doing? What repairs, Bruce? I have a bad soundboard on... Well, first, Zach fixed the soundboard on TX Sector. It was a bad preamp, so TX Sector will be coming to the bar. This twister I got, once in a while reboots, but I think it's something to do with either the magnets or the fan, because when they kick on, it will drop out the 5 volts, I think. I have to put a meter to it. Luckily with the White Star boards you can actually adjust the voltage regulator on them. So I'm going to see if it's actually low. And my soundboard failed on Harlem Globetrotters, so I'm going to first try a cap kit. If that doesn't work, then I'm going to reseat everything, and if that doesn't work, I'm probably going to get a Weebly soundboard just to go from there. When I went to deathball, I brought along the Solanoid driver board from Quicksilver, We're going to be talking about the board that we're going to be using for our Quicksilver. The one with the flipper enable relay keeps like just going off. That I've already replaced the relay and the transistor fires the relay and put it in Zach's Dracula, Stern Dracula, and could not get it to fail. Great. Isn't that weird? Because right now I have a Altec in Quicksilver and it works fine. But this board works fine in Dracula, but not in the Quicksilver. Cute. Mm-hmm. That's kind of weird. It is weird. Let's see. Anything else? I mean, lots of miscellaneous fixes going through the 29 games as I was cleaning them. Like, when I got the ACDC, like, eh, what the hell? I took the lower playfield out, cleaned that, which I cleaned it. It had like a stain, like a mark on that insert, the huge insert from hell. Mm-hmm. In this video Spider the right ramp just doesn register because of a problem with the switch You know like oh just little things you notice as you going through all the games For the most part not much going on there
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    Hopefully there won't be much going on. It's stopped as far as repairs go. But you mentioned Weebly boards. You know, there are some other boards that are back. They're back. Back again. I'm not sure if I mentioned this on the last episode, but pinballpcb.com. The Nice. Will now be making the CPU boards, the Williams System 3-7 CPU boards and driver boards again. Yay! So get them and keep this guy making them. Yep. These are the best boards for System 3-7s. They are the best opportunity for somebody to keep these games living and the proper sounds. www.williams.com The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. Spanish Eye, Spanish Eye, yeah I got Pinball PCB is back! Yes, excellent. And I know we're a little early here, but you know what the next big show coming up is, Bruce? Uh, Pinball Expo! In Chicago! Actually, no it's not, sorry, fail. It is not. Oh, okay, what's the next big show? For us on the East Coast, it is the York Pinball Show in New York, Pennsylvania. Yes, the York Pinball Show, yep. And that is actually a cool place to buy and sell games. See, the thing is, it's like a six hour drive and the traffic sucks. A six hour drive. That's pretty much why I never go anymore. Hold on, hold on. I'm playing the world's smallest violin with my fingers. Okay. Or I could be doing something else with my fingers, but oh my. So does this mean will you be there, Bruce? Possibly. If I... I might actually bring some pins down to sell. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. And I'm going to be involved with something. Oh my. Yes. He's going to book them, Dano. So I'll just leave it at that because I don't have any more info right now myself. But I'm actually going to be involved with something that's going to be going on there other than just being a person attending the show. I'll be part of the show, if you will. Isn't that exciting? It is. I'm very excited. But Bruce, are you going to be there? Probably not. Fail. See, you could have been there with me. We could have represented Slam Tilt. Instead, it's just going to be me. Probably. You know, there's probably be just everyone asking me to do like Stewie and Gene Simmons impersonations. Yes. Yeah. Have I done Stewie this episode? No, you have not. No, I haven't. I haven't. I did him a lot the last episode. I host Stewie's segment. It was great. Oh, family guy. Why did I ever buy that game? Because it was cool. I literally bought the game, I think, just because of the theme. Oh, me too. That's the only reason why I bought it. And then you play it, and it's like, you know, this game really isn't that good.
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    I mean, I always liked the mini playfield. I thought that was cool. Mm-hmm. But the rest of it, I mean, it's got the one ramp, most of the playfield you can't see because of that playfield.
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    Plus the empty ball bag. I mean, we got nothing, Bruce. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. I admit to that one. How about we do this? Listeners, however many of the ten listeners we have left. I think it's twelve. Twelve. Twelve. Twelve listeners we have left. Write in to slamtiltpodcast at slamtiltpodcast at gmail dot com if you have any suggestions for segments. Because we are fresh out. Even if it's something you want us to bring back. It's tougher with no guests. I'll say that. Yes, we'll have to get some guests in there. And I think it's time to get guests in there. Well, it's tough to get guests when we never know what we're going to record. Oh, that is the hardest part. Yeah. See, it was all my fault, but now it's all Bruce's fault. Yeah, it was. First, originally Ron's, and then- Now it's Bruce's. Yeah. How would we have continued doing weekly? Oh, God. I think we would have had to have stopped anyway. Yeah, possibly. I could have done it maybe Sunday nights. It's harder Sunday nights, though. Yeah, because that's where my league is, too. Yes. And my league starts up again. Ooh. Actually, this upcoming weekend. Ooh. Famous Excelsior League. In a couple weeks we finish, we have the finals for the Silver Ball Summer League. And Western New York Pinball League starts in the first weekend of October at the Silver Ball Saloon in East Rochester, New York, 135 West Commercial Street. Did you fill it up? I did. It's filled, but yep. And we're going to have the Winter League at the Silver Ball, which is going to be our Friday night league for anyone can come in and play. And this is Rochester. So, when you go through the snowstorm, that will occur every time. God almighty, you wussies. This is the guy, what was the one time I was at your place, my car literally wouldn't start because it was so cold. Bruce is out there with like a windbreaker on with a roof rake, just roof raking. Yep. And I'm literally frozen. Yep. Cold as mud, right? I remember my car wouldn't, I had to... It was like brrrr, brrrr, brrrr. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. You were going to try to get some Rush games? Oh, that's coming up. Oh, okay, okay. We'll just leave it at that. Let's just say I'm in the process of possibly buying two, and then another person I know is in the process of probably buying four. So there's a possibility of having possibly six games, maybe five. So you can have a challenge the owner segment where you just beat everyone over and over? No, I'm going to put the banner above it, Drive Drunk at the Silver Ball, and you can Drive, Drive, Drive Rush 2049's drunk. Drive drunk? I don't know if that's a good idea, but yeah. Well, I'm telling you exactly drive drunk at the Silver Ball Saloon, and hopefully not at the building itself. Oh, not from, not... Not leaving, not walking away, it's at. Okay. Participating at. Good gravy, Bruce. It's like, isn't he underage? Ahhh! Oh man. Uh. I might go to play rushes again. Yep. So I can lose to Bruce over and over. No, you didn't. You did not that bad this time, until I went to extreme. Then it was over. Yeah. We went to extreme. Normal, advanced, extreme. When I went to extreme, you were like, oh God, I can't even keep up. But I got to extreme. I think I'm gonna go to extreme. I think I'm going to go to extreme. Then I'm gonna go to extreme. I'm going to go to extreme. Go to extreme. And I had troubles keeping up with the other guy that was doing extreme. Once I got through extreme, what happened? Uh, you won. You got it baby, yeah baby! Won a bunch of, you know, like two or three times in a row and the other guy quit. Yep, quit and walked away. Bruce does that. He just makes people quit. Quitters. Quitters never win. Don't do drugs. Or whatever. Hey, don't forget Whitney's been clean now for almost six years. Oh, that's so bad. She is! That's so bad. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. Oh my god. I'm forwarding you something. You're gonna see it right now. Okay. Let's see. What do we got? It's probably some goofy meme. I'm guessing before I even look at it. Oh, it is actually really good. Oh, it's really good. It's so good. My Firefox is so slow. It's like, why are you using Firefox, Ron? I'll tell you. Oh! Very nice. We have a poster. Yep. Who did that? Ashley. Oh, nice. We're going to post this right now on the old page. Thank you, Ashley. One of our former guests, Ashley. Stomp 3, The Search for Soup. He's got the oh my face going on there. Oh my face, perfectly tailored. Oh my. Bye. Oh. That was classic. I loved it. I love the location, Ron's house. Yes. The Valley Company, Subsidiary of Walter Kidde & Co., Inc., Mirco Playfields, Tim Kitzrow, Scott Danesi. Can you take that as legitimate? What was it up against? Yeah, it wasn't like it was against Guns N' Roses or anything. It lost to Tales from the Crypt. Oh, God. People are stupid. And I like Tales from the Crypt. I do, too. But that stupid laugh kills that game. Come... It's Lethal Weapon 3. Dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun. It's the greatest Data East game ever made. I agree. Ugh. Fail. The guy who sold you his Lethal Weapon 3 missed it so much, He bought another. Oh, see? See?
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    Okay, Bruce. Okay. Okay, let's do it. Your top three Data East games. Top three Data East games? We'll do three. Okay, well, let's go to the list. I have to look. I know number one is going to be, but... Mm-mm-mm-mm-mm. We're going to go backwards. Let's go Data East games. Actually, what we can do is just rip off their poll, and we'll just give our picks. All right, I like this. How's that sound? Yeah. J. Russ Leona & Vic & Lucas秒HIJ д receptor Theras Monitor Bestest And we're on number two. The Who's Tommy vs. Hook. Tommy. No quote. That's Tommy, of course. Tales from the Crypt vs. Lethal Weapon. Tales from the what? Tales from the Crypt vs. Lethal Weapon. Last Action Hero vs. Back to the Future. Last Action Hero. Of course. Last Action Hero. Star Wars vs. Secret Service. Secret Service is the better game. Yeah, but Star Wars won on their part. Yes, but I'm going to go with Secret Service also. Time Machine or Adventures of Rocky and Bullwinkle? I like them both, but I give Time Machine. I give Time Machine too, so we are two off on that one. Jurassic Park vs. The Simpsons. Jurassic Park. Jurassic Park by a mile. Okay, so now we're going to go to round two with the changes. Guns N' Roses vs. WWF Royal Rumble. Guns N' Roses. Ooh, I'll take WWF Royal Rumble. Okay, so we got to do a flip here. Heads or tails? What do you get to pick? I got to get a pen or penny. We'll see you next time. Well, okay, the game, alright. You heard it, Flip, and it is the machine. Alright, so I win. Guns N' Roses. Okay, the Who's Tommy vs. Lethal Weapon 3. Last Action Hero vs. Secret Service. Ooh, I have to go Last Action Hero on that one. I have to. I'll go with that. Although I do like Secret Service. I do like Secret Service a lot, but Last Action Hero has a little more modes, a lot more action to it, and the magnets help it. They actually help that game. Time Machine vs. Jurassic Park. Oof. Jurassic Park. Time Machine. Jurassic Park. Time Machine. Okay, so let's flip it. You get to pick this time. Um, well, I could lie about what comes up. I'll take the arcade machine. Okay. Nope, I lose. Woohoo! Jesus. Jurassic Park moves on. I got a sheet better. Okay, so Jurassic Park. Okay, top four. So what do we now have? Guns N' Roses, Guns N' Roses vs. Lethal Weapon 3. Lethal Weapon 3, I have to say. Okay, then we have Last Action Hero vs. Jurassic Park. I have to go Last Action Hero. Yeah. So, out of the last two, which would be Jurassic Park or Guns N' Roses, I have to pick Jurassic Park. I will. I will too, because I like Guns N' Roses, but it's all that shot. It's the band member shot. You shoot the same crap. Okay, so for our finals, it is Last Action Hero vs. Lethal Weapon 3. Lethal Weapon 3? The Weapon 3. So, as you heard it here, and we beat head to head in ten minutes of talking. Sorry, Joe. Please don't hate us, guys. Sorry, Marty, but we've ruled this down in, what, fifteen, not even, five minutes. Done. Actually, I'm curious what their picks are going to be. Yeah. Because they're not going to pick Lethal Weapon 3 as they should. But I like how Last Action Hero made it that far. I have a problem with this. Oh, God. You have a problem with everything. What's your problem? All the Data East games are not on there. Okay. What's missing? Torpedo Run. Torpedo Alley. Torpedo Alley, I mean. And that's a good game. Playboy's not on there either. Exactly. So, this is a little incomplete in my book. So, all their results are void. Torpedo Alley, I believe, I think our very own Scott did a version of the software that made it so the spinner wasn't so overpowered. Way overpowered, I agree. What else did you say? Simpsons is not on there? What else is not on there? Playboy's not on there? There's got to be one more to make it... No, Simpsons is on there. Is it on there? Yeah. Where? Playboy's not on there. Torpedo Alley's not on there. I think they failed on this one. This is an incomplete list. I am calling this all null and void.
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    But you know our pick. So when we can't think of good things to do, we just rip off other podcasts. Yeah. We rip off a head to head. Rip off. That could be the name of this bit. Rip off. I think we did that before, and I think we called it that too. Rip off. We had that episode with Ryan C. where we literally ripped off every other podcast's the main like thing they do we ripped it off i love them that's great shows no originality shows that we sufferers it shows that we had originally think of it first we had originality to think of ripping people off first great logic it shows that were lazy bruce for now putting in the effort that these other professional podcast put in
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    yetiugene because you're so tired you just don't have it i got it but again if you'd like to see like a new segment or have any With any ideas, please throw them our way. Because remember, the name STOMP itself was from one of our listeners. We are forever grateful. Forever grateful, we're not worthy. We are definitely not worthy, especially if we're just ripping off shit. Yes. But we're doing it in our own way. And Lethal Weapon 3 is the best 80s game, even without those other ones listed. I'm looking right now and there's something that's popped up. Steawitch playfield with partially populated wiring harness, $225. Really? Mm-hmm. $200? But no drop targets. Not worth it. No. What happened to the good old days of the flea market? I know. The $50 populated playfield. I know. Yeah. I miss those days. I agree. The picture is now up on Facebook for the flyer for STOM 3. So you did something on Facebook. Yeah, I finally did it. Congrats! Yes. Yay! And Steve Bowden posted it too, to Fun With Bonus. Thank you, Steve. And I think that's a good segue out of the episode. This has been episode 134. Thanks to all our listeners. Yes. This was Steve Bowden, Fun With Bonus. bonus, Zach, Isaac, Riptide Pinball Podcast, Pinball Princess, Crystal, Mrs. Pin, Pinball Profile, Pinball Players Podcast. Oh God, who else we're missing? I'm sure we're missing someone. Sorry whoever we're missing. iCollectiveGamers Podcast. Hey Dennis, you want to come on? We can get Dennis on here. We can get Dennis on here. He can disagree with you about everything. I think we usually agree though, don't we? No, I don't think so. You don't think so? No? He hates wide bodies though. He has an unnatural hatred of wide bodies. And he likes Gottliebs. He likes a lot of shitty Gottliebs, yeah. He does, God. You see them playing them and they're pretty shitty. Well, Silver Slugger's okay. It's got a terrible rule set with the mystery, but the playfield's good. And Hoops is awesome. I will give him that. Hoops is awesome. He's got a firepower. Okay, I'll give him that one too. He's got a black knight. I mean, come on. There's just, there's, there's some good games there. But I think he likes Big Hurt.
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    Ooh. Really? Yeah. Ozzy? Oh. Sorry, Dennis. I think when, I think when Premier, when Premier went out of business, I think it was, I think it was Frank Thomas who actually never got paid. Yes, he did not get paid. Yeah. Shaq did, but I, Frank Thomas did not. Oh, sorry. So sorry. That's why he's doing those, you, those... Yeah, he's doing those commercials for what... Low testosterone. The hundreds of millions he made during his playing career are gone. Low testosterone commercials are a way to make it in the future. So he has to make low testosterone commercials because he didn't get those residuals from Big Hurt. Yes, all those things.
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    Again, we are the Slam Tilt Podcast. We can be found at slamtiltpodcast.com. Everything's there, all the links to everything, our Facebook, our Twitch, our YouTube, our email address, All rights reserved. That should stop blocking you, du— Can you boogie? Can you slide?
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    Say goodbye Bruce. Goodbye Birdo moon. Oh my my, oh my my, can you boogie, can you slide? Oh my my, oh my my, you can boogie if you try! Oh my my Oh my, my, there are keys to keep you alive.
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