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We Are Pinball #25 "We told you about Predator!!"

We Are Pinball (WAP)·podcast_episode·1h 34m·analyzed·Mar 7, 2025
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TL;DR

WAP celebrates record Patreon growth and discusses tariffs, Spooky's success, and industry delays.

Summary

We Are Pinball episode 25 celebrates the show's rapid Patreon growth (19 supporters generating $465/month in just two months, nearly matching Don's Pinball Podcast's $550/month with 119 supporters). Hosts Genghis and Don discuss community positivity, thank multiple tier supporters, and touch on industry topics including tariffs impacting pinball pricing, Spooky Pinball's success under $10K pricing model, Dutch Pinball's Alice delay issues, and the rumored Predator game from Pinball Brothers.

Key Claims

  • We Are Pinball has 19 Patreon supporters generating ~$465/month in the second month

    high confidence · Genghis explicitly states supporter count and monthly revenue; corroborated by comparison to Don's Pinball Podcast metrics

  • Don's Pinball Podcast has ~119 Patreon supporters generating ~$550/month

    high confidence · Don confirms these numbers directly when asked by Genghis

  • Toy Story 4 pinball is priced around $7,500 in U.S. market

    medium confidence · Genghis estimates pricing when discussing operator economics; not official Stern pricing confirmation

  • Pinball play pricing in U.S. has remained at $1 and hasn't increased

    medium confidence · Genghis states pricing hasn't changed 'forever'; anecdotal observation not industry-wide verification

  • Stern has not increased pricing for the last two years

    medium confidence · Genghis claims this as context for upcoming tariff-driven price increases; not verified against official Stern announcements

  • Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (Dutch Pinball) has been delayed repeatedly since Expo announcement

    high confidence · Hosts reference ongoing delays with 'couple more weeks' pattern; Barry (Dutch Pinball) confirmed last build of Lebowski nearing completion but Alice delays persist

  • Spooky Pinball Evil Dead Collector's Edition is priced under $10K

    high confidence · Hosts repeatedly affirm Spooky's under-10K pricing commitment; positioned as competitive advantage vs. $13K+ industry norm

  • Predator pinball from Pinball Brothers was discussed 4 months ago and is now announced news

    high confidence · Genghis references prior episode discussion; Predator announcement officially released as of episode recording

  • U.S. tariffs of 25% are being applied to pinball machines and parts from Canada

    high confidence · Both hosts discuss 25% tariff on Canadian products as current policy affecting pinball distribution

Notable Quotes

  • “One's a bucket of water and the other one is pure fire and uh it all works out”

    Anthony Murua (Antonio Banderas) @ Intro segment — Community member praise for Don and Genghis dynamic; establishes positive community sentiment

  • “This movement is bigger than me. This is nuts. Completely unprecedented.”

    Genghis @ Patreon discussion — Expresses shock at rapid Patreon growth rate compared to other pinball podcasts

  • “Our tariff political show destroyed everything. It's our number one most listened show now.”

    Genghis @ Tariff discussion — Indicates audience engagement with political/economic topics despite host reluctance; Episode 22 was their most successful

  • “They live and die on every release being successful. So they're like really nervous.”

    Genghis (on Spooky Pinball) @ Spooky discussion — Reveals Spooky's business model constraints and risk aversion to new themes

  • “I think that this Alice's Adventures in Wonderland is actually beneath them. I think they're better than this game is.”

    Genghis (on Dutch Pinball) @ Dutch Pinball discussion — Critical assessment of Alice quality relative to Dutch Pinball's historical standards

  • “You know what Barry should do? You know what he should do? He should just repay all those 500 guys, their deposit bags.”

    Genghis @ Alice delay discussion — Suggests Dutch Pinball should refund pre-orders rather than continue delays on Alice

  • “This is their entrance level to take up the prices.”

    Genghis (on tariffs enabling Stern price increases) @ Tariff/pricing discussion — Proposes tariffs provide cover for manufacturers to raise prices under geopolitical justification

  • “a better investment rather than U.S. stocks is actually a spooky pinball Evil Dead Collector's Edition”

    Genghis — Humorous but pointed critique of U.S. economic conditions; pinball as asset hedge

Entities

We Are Pinball (WAP)organizationDonpersonGenghispersonAnthony Murua (Antonio Banderas)personJosh Cox (Velvet Steve)personCharles Fallstorm (Charles Angels)personJeremy FordpersonEnzopersonJoe BenkowskipersonPinball Brothers

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: We Are Pinball's Patreon revenue ($465/month with 19 supporters in 2 months) approaching Don's Pinball Podcast ($550/month with 119 supporters); unprecedented growth rate in pinball podcast monetization

    high · Explicit revenue figures provided; hosts compare metrics directly; Genghis states 'I've never heard about it before it's crazy'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Emerging content creator Walt Wood (Spooky Luke) generating significant community enthusiasm and recognition; identified as 'breakout pinball creator of next year'

    medium · Genghis: 'Walt Wood's got to be the breakout pinball creator of, like, the next year. Dude, this guy's amazing.'

  • ?

    community_signal: Episode 22 (tariffs/political discussion) became highest-performing episode organically; audience engagement with economic/geopolitical topics despite host reluctance

    high · Genghis: 'Our tariff political show destroyed everything. It's our number one most listened show now.'

  • ?

    community_signal: Don's Pinball Podcast and We Are Pinball receiving large Patreon support relative to podcast listener base; hosts express gratitude and acknowledge unprecedented monetization levels

    high · Explicit Patreon numbers; hosts repeatedly state this is 'unprecedented' and 'never seen' in pinball podcasting ecosystem

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Hosts question Dutch Pinball's decision to license Alice's Adventures in Wonderland from Papa Duke rather than using public domain source material directly; view as beneath company quality standards

Transcript

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0:00
All right, this one goes out to the What Pinball Podcast. My name is Anthony Murua, a.k.a. Antonio Banderas.
0:13
And I support these guys big time because of the vibes. They bring pinball vibes only into the conversation. Always positive.
0:22
Don, I've been following him since his own podcast, since episode one. What can you say? The tone of voice, the humor, the macdaddiness he brings to this community is awesome, and I enjoy it. Genghis. Genghis has been around, man. Like, Genghis is legend.
0:40
Everything from the tabletop computer games, from the Commodore 64s, you know, the trail. What is it? The Oregon Trail, all the way up to pinball machines and his content. I love his pinball machines. I love his enthusiasm. so when these two guys get together it's like wonder trends activate you know one's a bucket of water and the other one is pure fire and uh it all works out so yeah guys big supporter i'm glad you're coming up um i voted for on the twippies just saying put put it all the way down it was dons and wop dons and wop all the way through even for best animation dons and wop So a big supporter here, man, and keep the episodes coming. We appreciate your content, and Banderas out.
1:41
Hey, Ochenkes. I don't think there's this drama in the LBC, man. There's drama in the pinball community, but you know what else there is? What up, bro? is some awesome positive vibes flowing, man, which way overpower any kind of that negative stuff, man. Are you feeling that? Oh, heck yeah, baby. This is pinball positivity. This is pinball love. We love it. We love to share with everybody. And you can see the love is coming back to us. We're thankful. We're happy. We're back. I literally blew myself away yesterday out of all the positive vibes that come back in here, man, which we are going to get in and talk to that directly in this episode number 25 of We are pinball. The WAP. Get your face into some hot sloppy WAP. Woo-hoo, 25. Because pinball is too fun to be serious mad about. Come on. Don't be big mad. People are fun. Pinball is fun. Talking about pinball is fun. Buying and selling pinball is fun. Restoring pinball machines is fun. People playing at tournaments is fun. It's just fun and happiness. We don't want no negativity, no hate, no nothing like that. We're just here to enjoy everything. And that intro, that intro, Tony, that intro, man, from Antonio Banderas. Amazing. What a guy. One is water, the other one is fire. Thank you, dear friend. Yeah. Bringing the heat. Yeah, so, so beautiful. Another one of our beautiful, lovely, lovely Patreon supporters. Thank you, Antonio Banderas. And there is Donnie. We have changed a bit. Our patron support levels, you know it because of popular demand.

  • Spooky Pinball owns their Wisconsin factory and land, keeping overhead costs low

    medium confidence · Genghis attributes Spooky's pricing advantage to owning facilities vs. Chicago-based alternatives paying $250K/month overhead

    • @ Stock market discussion

  • “Walt Wood's got to be the breakout pinball creator of, like, the next year. Dude, this guy's amazing.”

    Genghis (on Spooky Luke/Walt Wood) @ Content creator discussion — Identifies emerging pinball content creator as major rising talent

  • “I want to hire him to just hang out with me. I love him, man.”

    Genghis (on David Fix) @ David Fix discussion — Hosts express frustration with Fix's silence after Loser Kid appearance; reference to non-compete clause uncertainty

    • company
    Spooky Pinballcompany
    Dutch Pinballcompany
    Barryperson
    Stern Pinballcompany
    David Fixperson
    Walt Wood (Spooky Luke)person
    Papa Dukeperson
    Keith Elwinperson
    Pat Lawlorperson
    Don's Pinball Podcastorganization
    Toy Story 4 (Stern)game
    Evil Dead Collector's Edition (Spooky)game
    Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (Dutch Pinball)game
    Predator (Pinball Brothers)game
    Abyss (Pat Lawlor/Stern)game

    medium · Genghis: 'I think that this Alice's Adventures in Wonderland is actually beneath them' and 'why spend that money on...buy pizzas for people, for God's sake. It's Alice in Wonderland. It's public domain.'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Spooky Pinball's low-cost manufacturing model (owned facilities, in-house operations, Wisconsin location) enables sub-$10K pricing while maintaining quality; positions as competitive advantage

    high · Genghis explains factory ownership, powder coating, and overhead savings contrast with Chicago alternatives at $250K/month

  • $

    market_signal: Toy Story 4 pinball generating significantly higher operator revenue than typical pinball machines ($1 play price vs. pinball standard); recommended for location operators

    medium · Genghis: 'Raw thrills machines make ten times more than stern pinball machines. Only one pinball machine that I would recommend...is Toy Story 4'

  • ?

    community_signal: David Fix experiencing contract/non-compete clause aftermath; silence after Loser Kid appearance; hosts speculate on severance and contract termination details

    medium · Hosts reference non-compete clause discussion and Fix's unexplained absence; unclear if voluntary or involuntary separation

  • $

    market_signal: Stern positioning tariffs as justification for price increases after maintaining prices for 2 years; genghis characterizes as 'entrance level to take up the prices'

    medium · Genghis: 'now they can say tariff we need 25 price increase on the LE Nobody can say nothing against them'

  • $

    market_signal: Tariff uncertainty creating business planning paralysis for manufacturers; inability to forecast long-term part procurement costs affecting game development timelines

    high · Don explains: 'how can you bank on buying parts for the next 18 months for a build of a game you want to release when you don't know what market you'll even be able to put it into?'

  • ?

    announcement: Predator pinball from Pinball Brothers officially announced; previously discussed 4 months prior; Genghis indicates additional insider information to be shared on Patreon

    high · Genghis: 'Yeah, Predator's gone. It's out as news today' and references Pinball Brothers communication with additional details for Patreon segment

  • ?

    product_strategy: Alice's Adventures in Wonderland (Dutch Pinball) experiencing repeated delays since Expo announcement; no production photos or QC evidence released; hosts skeptical about timeline

    high · Genghis: 'every time the releases come up, it's been like a couple more weeks, a couple more weeks. And we haven't seen the end of that.'

    • 3:21
    What the hell is going on with the patron? I haven't seen this replicated anywhere. Like not just pinball, but like any other hobby where we have people that are like, no, I want to be king in the hill. You make another tier. Mother grabber. Oh yeah. Let's talk. That's, that's another level of awesomeness. So usually, usually we did this for like five bucks that we're going to share 2.5 for you 2.5 for me right that was it and then we could have a crazy tier that was called 50 dollars right which was a producer level and executive producer level and that was it yeah and then and then we got some awesome supporters on patreon so we just updated everything now now the cool part is this with this update it's i think for pinball people it's much more easier to understand instead of producer level and so forth and so on now it's called pro level five bucks premium level 50 bucks le level 100 bucks and collectors edition level 150 bucks right but we just made another level we're gonna go into that now now donnie yeah this patreon stuff we didn't plan it for many shows Our listeners asked about it because they said, guys, when we listen to the shows, we sit back with this positive, happy feeling in ourselves, happy, positive, and we just want to turn on our pinball machines and play some pinball. That is wild. That's what I do. That's what I'm doing every day. Yeah, I mean, that's the whole purpose, right, Donnie? So they wanted to, you know, just like you were saying, a little chip bar, just give us some Patreon support. But this just took off. by today we have got 19 supporters on patreon okay a lot of supporters at five dollar level they can come in and talk to us on our patreon page which is great i take it every morning it's so much fun and it's people like you and i very positive more than a dozen and no shame to the five dollar members because we drop a whole show after this where we just keep going completely off the rails so if you like this that's even better yeah so come and hang out yeah i love the pro level $5, we appreciate every each and one of them. But, we made a rule. The next level, the premium level, we will thank them on all our show. Just like, for example, Jeremy Ford!
    5:55
    Yes! Jenkins is going to go off with the Euro trash now. Today, no beat songs. Today, every time I'm happy, you need to play the Yeah, alright.
    6:09
    No, no, no, no, no. Yeah, Jeremy Ford, thank you for the premium level support, buddy. We love you. And the next supporter on premium is our guy Enzo.
    6:20
    Yes, dude, Enzo. What a guy. Made me pizzas. Awesome. We love you, Enzo. I love you some, Jeremy. Love you some, Enzo. Yeah. And another supporter is the guy that started this show, Anthony Maru.
    6:33
    What a solid dude, man, by the way. Yeah, man. And thank you for that little message. love it love it so anthony is antonio banderas and check out the song he plays in the background this guy thinks like us tony you took me back to 1995 with that song desperado oh my god i love it man fantastic so yeah after that we have got our lovely lovely josh cox this is this is the real velvet steve this is the real yeah yeah no not to be you know he's imitative and never penetrated it is the velvet steve the curly abyss i mean josh cox he's awesome we love to ride with him we both in private also through our patreon and he will join our show very soon what a cool guy but josh he's awesome so josh was our uh high level hundred dollar le supporter right right josh cool guy yeah everybody's happy and then all of a sudden we get another patreon supporter charles falstor Yeah, welcome to the club, buddy. Just disrupting stuff. Just swinging in out of nowhere, man. Yeah, at the previous highest level ever, 100 bucks, and Charles' nickname is Charles Angels, if that's okay with you. That's fine with me, man. He's an angel in my eye. Yeah, Charles Angels, man. Charles Fallstorm, we're going to thank you on every show. I want to be hanging out with this guy. I want to run an apartment on the beach with him. We can hang out. Carl's going to enter this show, I'm telling you. So what happened?
    8:29
    Our Josh Cox, the real Velvet Steve, he hit us back, but in a very positive way. Now, he said, I don't want to sound like an a-hole, and he didn't. But he said, I want to be creme de la creme. I want to be Mr. Unique. I want to be Mr. Number One, baby. I want to be the best of the best, Mr. Supreme. So he said, I want you to open up the next level.
    8:58
    Yes. And like the Ark of the Covenant, we ripped that off, man. If you ask, we are going to provide because WAP does not leave its members behind. Ohana means family. So get in on this wild Hawaiian roller coaster ride. But, Donnie, first, when I saw that message from Josh Cox, I was like, Josh, please rethink this because you're giving us $100 every month. It's a lot of money. We really appreciate it, but rethink this because it's just so much, right? It's just so much. And he went back. He was like, yep, I love you guys. Next year, please. Okay, yeah. So we need to redo everything. So we opened up for Josh Cox. We made the collector's edition level at $150. And Josh entered that. Boom. I'm sorry.
    9:53
    I'll give an air horn, too, on that one, man. I love you. Jesus. We're going to be able to afford that beach house, Genghis. Me and you, we can record on the Italian coast.
    10:05
    It's crazy. This show is new. We're getting $150. Wait, we're not done yet. We're not done yet. Wait, there's more? Thank you, Josh. Thank you. Really, thank you. No, what happened two days later? Our brand-new guy, Charles Angels, Charles Fallstorm, that was an Ellie supporter, he upped his support from Ellie to collector's edition.
    10:34
    That is amazing. another $150 we're gonna have to come out with a topper for the freaking Patreon level if it goes up anymore like you have to join the topper level because what's after CE plus right the thing is we need to have one more after all this craziness we open a supreme unique we're gonna have to we're gonna powder coat our freaking Patreon members at this point Someone's going to get hydro dipped It's crazy Do you know of other There are so many other podcasts Out there, pinball podcasts That has been out there for many years Do you know of other pinball podcasts That are getting This amount of money This amount of support This movement is bigger than me This is nuts Completely unprecedented And damn it, we're going to celebrate that yeah absolutely and we're gonna thank we're gonna show our share our happiness this is crazy i just want to ask guys i want to i want to poke to don just a bit okay let me just poke to him okay let me just we're gonna let you cook we're gonna let you cook go ahead yeah so donnie i'm just gonna ask you okay so you on your you have your own pinball podcast show that's called that's called don's pinball podcast which we all love thankfully so you have had patreon there for over a year now Absolutely, yeah. Kicking ass. How many? Yeah, beautiful. How many supporters do we have in there? About 119. Woo! Right? Which is like frippin' awesome. That's awesome. Love it. Yeah, thank you. Love you all. Love it. But the thing I want to ask you, out of all those supporters, in total amount of U.S. dollars, how do you make each month? It's around 550. delicious pinball dollars yeah 550 every month which is amazing a lot of godfather ce plays yeah let me tell you congratulations thank you sir thank you the thing i want to poke you with okay when i go in here and check out our wop show with 19 supporters right yeah for second month now we're making $465 I need to have a cash register what the heck man it's a Patreon arms race so my goal on this WAP Patreon support level we're going to beat Don's People Podcast support level Donnie oh man my only competition is how do I satiate all the demand from the people that are there because i gotta pack it as much value as possible for the price the only way you can win the only way you can win is more positivity more happiness make sure all the listeners are just feeling good just keep up what you're doing but with this donnie in this short amount of time making this kind of support i've never heard about it before it's crazy i love it i can only be thankful yeah that's it and we're getting we're getting audio message now for people too not just anthony we got joe too should we hear from them yeah let's go joe get up on here hey guys this is joe benkowski from maryland and i started listening to donnie a couple years ago when he started his podcast and that's how i found jangas and why I like you guys' show is I like to hear reviews and you guys' takes on the games that are out, and I like to know what sucks and also what's good when I'm looking to make purchases.
    14:31
    And, Genghis, I'm also an arcade operator as well, so I have a location here in Maryland. I don't do pinball machines in my locations. in my demographics, about 3 to 10-year-olds. But we talk about games like Jurassic Park and Halo and the Raw Thrills games, and I also operate those, and they're moneymakers for us. So thanks for the content, guys. And Donnie, thanks again for that Star Wars topper and your awesome mods. Take care. Oh, that's right. Another grand recipient of the Star Wars topper. That thing's getting around, man, and it's strictly spreading virally. But, yeah, if you want to get one, there's some channels. Absolutely. Oh, Donnie, Joe Pinkowski, he's really, really active on our Patreon page also. So I want to thank him for that. Yeah. I want to thank him for the message. It's so cool that he's an operator and he's operating raw thrills machines. Raw thrills machines make ten times more than stern pinball machines. Only one pinball machine that I would recommend, if you want a pinball machine, is Toy Story 4. they really complete that. And if he has all those cool Rothrids, just put – because how much does that game cost in the U.S.? Use LE, TS4. Use it like $7,500 probably. Buy it. Put it in your location. We have it on three bucks. I don't know how it is in the U.S. $2. How much does it cost in the U.S. to play Pinball? $1, man, only. $1? The price hasn't gone up forever. oh my god put it up to three dollars yeah that's my recommendation to joe but tony these audio clips we're getting they're so beautiful the messages they're so beautiful it's i don't know where to start i'm just so happy i'm so happy we did this because when we started this another youtuber went out on his show and said that this would be trash that's how we started this. Oh, perfect. Hey, what's wrong with trash, man? I'll go live in a dumpster. I don't care.
    16:39
    I watch trash TV. This trash show is about to get as much money as Don's Pinball Podcast. How you like it now? Oh, we've almost upgraded to the trash level. I love it. We should make it to special trash level. The trash level is 50 cents. Yeah. If you join the trash level, we'll send you an email calling you trash for 50 cents a month.
    17:01
    We'll have to have the Euro trash level. So, 87 $700 is the best price on Pinside right now. But you can get the collector's edition for $9,400. There you go. So there you go. There you go. That's a good buy. It's a fine moneymaker. That's a good buy. It's a fine moneymaker. It's a fun game. It's not the deepest game, but it's a fun game to play. I've gotten to the wizard mode on it, and I appreciate that in a game. And I think the game is fun enough to play. Yes, it's not Toy Story, which is why it's not $16,000 on the used market. But for this price, that's some good value, I think. yeah yeah and it's still a pat lawler design right yeah i guess i'm not the hugest lawler fan but i mean i appreciate the dude but i mean it's something just like like just slightly off for making it great you know i don't know what it is well if you went uh yeah back in the days i'm gonna talk about some old days now people does not want to hear about old games i i know it but you know if you go 10 10 years back the whole scene was different bella williams games were very popular and before all this by true awesomeness stern wasn't as awesome as they are today guys bella williams were still popular back then but yeah the scene is different now so i know what where where don is coming from there was a time when you could come out with an original ip game and it would do okay man i don't know that that's ever coming back again no please ever to any pinball uh producing companies out there no original no nothing awesome themes have you heard today a game we talked about months back predator oh yeah yeah i remember i remember hearing about that like four months ago and that's like such old news right now like yeah pinball brothers yeah that was like one of our first things we talked about like how'd you hear this Yeah, Predator's gone. It's out as news today, so that's cool. Donnie, you know what? I actually talked with Pimble Brothers about Predator. Do you want to hear what I got back? I absolutely do, man. Do you want to hear it here or on our Patreon show? Oh, man, we got 19 people in there paying money to have the inside edition stuff. Maybe we should put it over there. Can you tease something? okay let's talk about after this show i'm gonna tell you what okay all right what i got back okay but yeah it's cool it's one of my dream themes so i am so happy it's like in my brain what's that woman on your t-shirt man ipc oh icp this is fat sweaty betty um i have to post i'll post an image on the uh the patreon so people can check it out but yeah listen to There's a song by Insane Clown Posse called Fat, Sweaty Betty, and it's just amazing. Early ICP. God, I love it. And I don't know. Acquired taste, I guess, but Jesus, man, it's fantastic. I'm looking up ABBAs on the used market, and there aren't any because there weren't any new ones sold. So how could there be used ones?
    20:07
    Yeah. We don't have no knowledge. I want to play this game again, man. Have you played ABBA? You're out there. No, no, no. Never seen it. No, nothing. You're a distributor for Pinball Brothers, sir. You don't want one sit over here, Donnie. But they didn't send you one for the showroom. They got to send you one for the showroom, man. Tariffs are coming, and this is from Europe, so it's going to be tariff-free. Donnie, tariffs are coming. Tariffs are already out there, man. I mean, Canada. What's going on with Canada? You mean the pinball podcaster or the country? The country. Oh, okay, yeah. I could probably answer that. I mean, what are you guys doing, Donnie? Look, I don't want to talk politics. No, but last time we talked politics, that show, I don't know what it did. We talked about tariffs and pinball prices. It's the only show, I think it was show number 22. It's the only show that destroyed the show numbers we had with Cale Hernandez. We couldn't hit Cale's numbers. No matter what we did, we released a new show, and it goes up to the maximum, and Cale's numbers reach a higher number all the time. We love kale, right? Yeah, pinball daddy, man, yeah. Yeah, we love kale. But our tariff political show destroyed everything. It's our number one most listened show now. So let's just touch this because it is pinball related. Now, Canada, Canadians, they are as sweet as Australian people. I know no Canadian that are mean or idiots or know nothing. And they're just so positive, so lovely. I love that country. I love all the people. I love everything. And then, Donnie, you put this 25 tariff on top of those guys that are your neighbors, your allies, Donnie. What are you doing? What are you thinking? How do you want to sell pinball machines over there now? Don't look for a strategy into this because I don't think there is one necessarily. Yeah, no idea what the reasoning behind it is because originally it was like, well, there's going to be a threat of this if there's not concessions. And then Canada's like, well, yeah, like, well, what do you want to do? We'll do what's reasonable. And then they did. And then they're like, well, tariffs anyway because I said it was – I don't know. I don't know what the point of this is. And Canada doesn't know. And they're like – They're giving the same back to you guys now. Right, yeah. So what the heck, man? And I was thinking – Europeans are hearing this, and they're like, this is not cool. We're on Canada's side now. And that's, again, not so good for you. And over here, we are preparing for this tariff also coming to Europe because it also came to Mexico, right? Yeah, and the thing is, like, we don't know, was this, you know, it wasn't for any, like, reason. Like, if you don't do this, then you get these tariffs. So they're just arbitrarily put on. They're arbitrarily changing. Like, they just decided that for one month there'll be no automotive tariffs. But, like, will that be extended? Is it going to go away? It's created more than just the tariff. It's the uncertainty. Like how can you bank on buying parts for the next 18 months for a build of a game you want to release when you don't know what market you'll even be able to put it into?
    23:18
    Like how do you make those decisions right now? I thought it was hard for a distributor, man, but now it's getting harder for the pinball companies. I'm telling you, this is – Stern.
    23:29
    The Stern pricing is like we haven't had no price increase for the last two years. What does that mean? That means we want to come with a price increase. Now if they come with a price increase and say this is the newest Keith Elwin game We want some more money Everybody would be angry But now they can say tariff we need 25 price increase on the LE Nobody can say nothing against them. This is their entrance level to take up the prices. Yeah, but that tariff that gets added on, that's like an extra bump to the consumer, right, where they have to pay the U.S. federal government 25% on top of that LE price. And, you know, Stern already wants more money. So, like, that's like raising prices twice at the same time.
    24:17
    It's pure craziness. I want unity. I want everybody to be together and, you know, be one big family in the world. That's how we operate. When we have U.S. soldiers here in Denmark, we welcome them. We kiss them. When U.S. soldiers walk into Burger King here in Denmark, they're getting free meals. We love them. Yeah, we love them over here. And I listened to the news on TV today, and Norway was so angry about this terror stuff. And there is also a base in Norway. They just came out and said they are producing oil also. They just said, from now on, we don't want to sell oil to the U.S. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean – Nothing. We won't give to the military. What the heck? Well, you got – to get into geopolitics here a little bit, you got Russia illegally invading the Ukraine and kidnapping children, brainwashing them, murdering citizens, rolling tanks over the border. And so any country that's providing aid to Russia right now is getting sanctioned. And now that the U.S. is now providing aid and comfort to Russia, now we're going to get sanctioned, and we're starting to see it. And I don't know what the point of all this is.
    25:34
    You know what's happening? In like two weeks, it's like the whole world economy is just... Do you remember a couple of shows back? We had this little section where I talked about my financial advisor said that soon US will have Trump as the president and they will shut everything down and have inside trading only. And she recommended to buy a lot of stocks for the US. And I want you to remember this. And I bought a lot of stock for the US. When I looked for the last 10 days, that investment of mine for the last nine days, it has tanked so much. that if I just ordered an Evil Dead Collector's Edition, I would still have more money left. So I have lost so much money for the last nine days. It's just going down. What you can confirm right now, that a better investment rather than U.S. stocks is actually a spooky pinball Evil Dead Collector's Edition. Yeah.
    26:48
    I should have ignored that. Yeah, I have the money in my bank. Just call Buck and just get some. You know, now I look around and it's like, I guess my pinball collection isn't as horrible as an investment. It's perfect. Bye, bye, bye, baby. Bye, bye, bye. Talking about spooky. I'm just looking at our Patreon page. Yeah. Look at the spooky picture. It's that Walt. He has no shirt on. What's his name? Oh, Walt Wood. Yeah. God, what a. This guy. I'm spooky Luke. Dude, Spooky, Walt Wood's got to be the breakout pinball creator of, like, the next year. Dude, this guy's amazing. He just did, like, the guy just goes into his apartment in Colorado or whatever, turns his TV on, playing some YouTube, and just commentates, which is like a camera sitting on a Bud Light can or something. And it's amazing, man. It's amazing. You recommended him to me. He is so fun, man. I love his content. I want to start just sending every piece of video content I make, Just send it straight to him, and hopefully he can pick it up and do something with it. Oh, God. Such a fun guy. I just looked at this picture. Naked guy, what spooky look doing? And I just looked at it. Oh, what was that? Oh, when he loses the shirt? Oh, yeah. So many great moments already from this guy. Where he said something like, what's up, George Gomez? How's your mom? Or something from that show. His takedown of my very good friend David Fix was phenomenally incredible. Oh, man, oh, man, oh, man. Oh, man. Fixie, I don't think he's coming back on the show. After he did Loser Kid, he was like, let me wait a week or so and I'll come on. And then it's been silence, man.
    28:30
    Isn't he – he's like – he cannot talk about pinball for some days, right? Isn't it like that? No. All right, look. I've got a non-compete clause too in a contract of mine. But if my contract is terminated, my non-compete goes away. Like that non-compete is only there if, like, I voluntarily sever the relationship, you know, so I don't go open up a hospital across the street for my own one. But isn't it for like six months after or something? Yeah, they're usually for a year, you know. But that's only if the contract isn't canceled. It sounds like this was like you're done, unless it was just it was up for renewal and it was chosen to not renew. I haven't seen his contract. But generally, like if an employee just like shuts you out and terminates your contract without cause, and maybe Barry O's Barbecue Challenge was the cause, but maybe you're not beholden to all that stuff. I had a job once where they were paying me money every month for about six months before I was going to go to start the job and then when I went to start the job they were like, oh yeah, that old contract is getting cancelled because it was owned by this company and we're now a new corporation and I was like, okay, cool, thanks. I'm no longer interested and by the way, I'm keeping all this money and I walked out the door. It was phenomenal, man. So read your contracts and understand your outs because they cancelled it through no fault of my own. I was going to show up and work. I was able to take all that money they paid me and peace out.
    29:52
    I'm glad I read the contracts, man. Read the contracts. Understand them. Absolutely. Well, he said that he wanted to join the show and he is welcome, of course. Oh, God. I'd love to have him, man. Yeah. I got to text him. If he doesn't do anything pinball more, I mean... He's such a personality, though. I don't care. I want to hire him to just hang out with me. I love him, man. Nah, I want to talk with him. Absolutely. Oh, wait. Yeah. Tony, man. Spooky.
    30:21
    They want to be on our show. Have you talked to them? You're their neighbors, man. I know. I need to just drive the whole studio down there. We'll get them on and we'll do a recording. Yeah. All right. That is in the works for the future. I mean, Team Spooky, they are just a definition of positivity, and I love that. I was talking to him yesterday, and it was like, you know, And we talk about other releases and rumors that are coming out and like, why would somebody do this? And they live and die on every release being successful. So they're like really nervous. Like, yes, this is a good theme. We have a cool layout. But is this going to sell 700, 800, 1,000 games? If this is only going to sell 300 games, we're not going to keep the line moving all year. So they can't just jump on a theme if it's not stellar. That's why they should contact me. Yes. Damn it. You're a BN guy. Contact me. I can say yes or no. Just hit me up. I'll sign that NDA ship. But they have such a good setup with where they're at in Wisconsin because, like, essentially they own all the land that they're on. They own their factories. You know, they're not paying, you know, a quarter million dollars a month on heating and overhead and everything that it would cost if they were operating in Chicago. And so I think that's why Evil Dead came out for $99.99 and not $13,000, right? Oh, but they're also keeping the WAP thing, you know, under 10K. Yeah, yeah. And I love them for it. And I'm telling, and I have a show, under 10K. Thank you, bye. Yeah, and they're keeping as much as they can in-house too, you know. So if they're able to do, I mean, they do their powder coating across the street, you know. So it's not like a vendor is going to hold up their production like we see going on right now. Where's Alice? Where's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland? And they're, I mean, we didn't think they were going to just like January 1st game start pumping out right away. But like it's been every time the releases come up, it's been like a couple more weeks, a couple more weeks. And we haven't seen the end of that. And what they're saying is, you know, we're waiting on one part, which can make sense. You know, if a sculpt comes back and it's total dog shit, then you have to have another one redone. It's going to take months for that to happen. But you would think by now, if we were just waiting for a part that they would show like, hey, here's 50 cabinets. They're all QC'd. They're all playing fine. We're just waiting for the sculpt or whatever it is to drop in here and put it in boxes. But we haven't seen, like, photos or anything come out. Like, here's what's going on. Well, Barry, he actually shared that they were, you know, again, on the last build of what are they? Lebowski.
    32:51
    Yeah. Yeah, that they're about to be done with that. But, I mean, when did they release the Alice, that catastrophic release they made? That was at Expo. Now, so I don't want to pile on Dutch Pinball because Barry's a cool-ass guy. I love Barry. I love Big Lebowski. I love the build quality of it. And I think that this Alice's Adventures in Wonderland is actually beneath them. I think they're better than this game is. Yes. And I think, and I've said it before, that why do they even need to go to Papa Duke's crap at all? Exactly. Why spend that money on, buy pizzas for people, for God's sake. It's Alice in Wonderland. It's public domain. You know what Barry should do? You know what he should do? He should just repay all those 500 guys, their deposit bags, their $1,000 or whatever it was. Give them that money back. Sell this design to another company. make another awesome design from the ground and up, just like they did with the big Lebowski. All right. Do it the Barry way. Not this. Here's what's going to happen. We're going to get into June, and then games will finally start being sent out of the factory. I don't think they're going to make 40% of their 500 allotment by December.
    34:09
    And so, remember, they said if you haven't got your game by the end of the year, you can get your deposit back. I bet by the time we get to the end of the year, they're going to say, look, you 350 people that haven't got your game yet, you can just take your deposit and apply it towards Back to the Future, and we're building that next year. And I bet they'll have the – rather than have them give the money back to the person that gave the deposit, they'll be able to, like, transfer the deposit or something if they want. I bet we'll see something like that. And then, you know, Alice isn't a terrible game. It just wasn't, like, exciting enough to justify $12,000. It was a $5,500 game with $2,000 of sculpts in it from Lior and Stumbler. That game had the amazing artwork.
    35:01
    Because if you look at the game, shots and layout design, it feels like a 12-year-old game. Yeah. Yeah, that's my issue. Look at the games today. Look at the X-Men layout. And it's not Epstein Island anymore. People aren't paying good money to get their hands on a 12-year-old like that. Donnie!
    35:26
    Donnie, sometimes, you know, sometimes you're worse than me. And we're calling me the loose cannon? This is how you are at Patreon. Not here!
    35:39
    Sorry, sorry. I'll try to keep it together. oh donnie donnie where is the money yeah but that what the heck man we were talking about spooky games and what they were talking and now we jumped over to this yeah well yeah well because where are they you know um like spooky couldn't do that they couldn't say like well you know evil dead i know we said we were going to get them out in january here we are in mid-march and we're talking about maybe maybe the end of the month the first ones come out Heck no, dude. They're well into production now. They're bringing 11 games to TPF here in a couple weeks, and they only have two left that are unsold. Wow. I love it. Can you imagine if Spooky did this? If they launched their game back in December and said, January we will ship your games, and it was January, February, March, and no game. People would have destroyed Spooky Games. Yeah. But look, nothing is going on with this Ellis game. If you're taking money from people and then you're not delivering and then every deadline comes up, you're like, well, two more weeks. Two more weeks. That sucks, man. We better see something happening quick or they're going to start getting the rage. If you're taking money, deliver. I mean that's how it is. Just deliver. Communicate. Don't take people's. If you are a new pinball company, then you have so much money that you don't need Average Joe's $1,000 deposit. I mean, just leave the guy alone. Yeah. I don't take a deposit from people. Like, if you want a Star Wars topper, I wasn't like, no, no, you're not paying me anything until it's in a box ready to go to you. And I will update you along the way, like, what's going on this week. Here's where we're at. And that's just mods that I'm doing. No big deal or nothing. But, you know, don't, yeah, if you take people's money and you're just not delivering and you're, like, smoke screening and people are like, what's going on? I'm getting a little nervous. Starting to haggis me here a little bit. Like, that's not a good feeling. And I want good feelings in pinball, right? Like, I ordered this Avatar CE, which I unboxed, which we're going to talk about. And it was supposed to, you know, maybe November, you know. And then as time was going on, like, obviously, they didn't come out until now. but I was in conversation with my distributor and with Ken, and he's sending me pictures. He's like, look, here's what's going on. Here's where we're at. I'm talking to the designer, and he's like, yeah, we're picking up the play field prototypes for the CEs like this week. So all along the process, I feel like I'm a part of it, and I know it's not just a shell game. And then I have confidence in Jersey Jack pinball. Oh, yeah. Because they do deliver, and the game is awesome looking. Yeah. But all throughout that time, while they had my deposit money, like they're communicating, like here's what's happening. Here's photos. Come down to the factory. Check it out if you want. And I did. You know? So, yeah. That's – like do it that way. That's called buyer confidence. Just keeping you updated. That's how it is. But all that said, it still irritates one that pays, you know, $15,000 and things. Back in November, I should have this game, and we're approaching April, right? New games are on the way, and you just got your avatar.
    39:04
    That's not cool. I mean, it wasn't fun, yeah, for sure. Yeah, that's what I mean. I mean, we need to be honest here. It's not cool. We cannot just, you know, fly on the trees all the time. It's not cool. So I hope that these deadlines that we can't fly on the trees all the time. No, we cannot be happy, happy, joy, joy. We also need to address what's going on, Donnie. It's just not cool.
    39:35
    And this is not only a J.J.P. thing. Don't get me wrong. Because, for example, we sell games for Spooky. So when Spooky wants to sell games in Europe, they have to have a CE certificate of – here in Europe when you want to import stuff. Oh, the electrical certificate. Yes, yes, yes.
    40:01
    It gets through every time, but it takes too much time. They need to set that motion in the ocean much, much earlier. earlier because when we get the games over here and this is only from spooky it's just too late because all all the other companies you said jjp you said and stern all the other companies they produce they ship to europe first yeah that's true yeah so when we unbox you unbox okay i unbox all the new games because we fly them home but other than that all the other companies they do this and ship to Europe first. Just not spooky. Why not, guys? Good question. I was talking to another pinball manufacturer, not spooky pinball, about this. And we have the UL listing is what it's called in the U.S., and then there's European standards. And this is for a consumer electronic product where you send it to these folks, and they do all sorts of electrical testing on it, making sure it's not dangerous, it's not going to mess up the grid, not going to burn your house down. And they meticulously go over, like, every electrical connection and everything. and it takes a lot of money and it takes months. And the European standards are very rigorous. The UL listings are much less so to the point that they're even more kind of voluntary. So I've heard from a manufacturer that just tries to get the European listing and approval first and start that as early as possible because once you get that, it supersedes everything else. If you were good enough for the European Union, you'll be great for the rest of the world.
    41:34
    Exactly. You have that certificate. You have to have a functioning commercial prototype made in order to start that process. And if you're like seething your pants, like you have a working prototype you've been futzing around on the whole time. You're basing it all off of that. Like that's not going to work. You have to have a production sample. We have people that are interesting. Now we're just talking spooky, okay? We have people that are interesting on this game, and they're holding back because of this tariff shit that you are doing, Donnie. but we have this one guy that is such a huge fan of the theme and he's like give me the butter give me the topper give me the tariff i don't care he just wants the game yeah yeah but it's just so sad that we're like yeah the game is out don is making videos americans are playing but your game is not on the way yet, and it's just not cool. You know what I mean? Not cool, man. Come on. I'm still sick. Now, Spooky's games are region-free. I know Stern region locks. If you plug it into the wrong hertz of voltage, it just won't work. But Spooky is not, so can you get a – can a U.S. – can I take my game right here, put it in a box, fly it to you tomorrow, and have you have it there, switch the power supply over, and then go? look uh can i yeah i can share this we are we are sub distros for spooky yeah okay and our main distro here he actually wrote to me sometime a few days ago and he actually said that if i'm interested i can get the games really fast but that's without the certification the c Yeah, so he can get me the U.S. ones. But the thing is, we can have them in our showroom, but we cannot sell those games. If we sell those games and something happens, no insurance, no nothing. If our building burns down with 150 pinball machines, no insurance, no nothing. So it's a high risk. Because you plugged in an uncertified game, so the insurance isn't going to cover it. Yeah, that sucks.
    43:50
    But we can do it, yes. But when we parallel import Stern games over here and put it, you know, and we can just convert the power and we convert it and put it in. So our 230 volt goes down to 110 and we turn it on. Bam! It just hits me in the face. Bam! This game will be region locked now. You're an asshole. What the fuck are you doing? This is for the US Army Command.
    44:15
    You're running with 50 hertz circuit. This is a 60 hertz circuit. Suck my balls. And it's like, yeah. Thank you, Stern. That sucks. That's why I'm not buying all your games. Because your games are so cheap, man. I would buy them all. I'll tell you, they're a lot lighter. God, after setting up Evil Dead, and then did you see me try to, like, deadlift Avatar up on its back legs yesterday during the unboxing? Dude, we have to talk about that video. That video. Look, Donnie had ears. He had green paint. He had beautiful Avatar hair. Everything was just perfectly set up.
    44:54
    Those laser light shows. How fun was that? You thought of everything, my friend. I was just, it was such a great, that was the video of 2025. Oh, my God. Nobody can hit that video. It's just so freaking, and I want everybody to check out Don's, what's your YouTube channel? The YouTube channel is Don's Pinball Podcast. Easy to find. I've been doing unboxings basically this whole time that I've had the YouTube channel. But lately, I've gotten to getting a lot more into the production of doing it. I don't want to just take a game out of a box and set it up. You've seen people screw their legs onto cabinets before. So I get into character. And like with X-Men, I dressed up like Beast from X-Men, right? I had a lab coat on, blue hair on my chest. I painted the upper body blue. And I thought, okay, when Avatar comes, I'm going to take this blue paint. I'm going to do my entire body. I'm going to have a loincloth on, and we're going to effing go, man. Blow, blow, blow, blow, blow, blow, blow. Oh, man. So that's what we did. It was amazing, dude. So yesterday I did a 40-minute live stream unboxing in character as an RV, blue paint head to toe. I had tights on. I had the loincloth. I had the bow. I had the fluorescent highlights on my body. Did you hear from JJP? Did Ken hit you up or something? He did. I got a text back this morning. Let me read it live on air while we're recording here. All right. What did Ken have to say? You're an animal, bro. Made me smile. Thank you. So, yeah. Cool, man. And, yeah, feedback has been amazing. So check that out. And if you could, throw me a sub on there because I'm trying to build it up to 2,000 so I can get media credentials for TPF.
    46:36
    What does that mean? So if you want to be media, you can get a free media pass to go to these pinball shows, which is cool because it makes it easier for me to be able to get there. And for Texas Pinball Festival, you can do that, but you have to show that you have 2,000 followers on your Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, whatever it is. And I've got 1,500 on my Facebook, and I've got 7,800 on my YouTube right now. And so now I'm trolling for people to join that so I can show up to TPF with credentials and actually get a media pass just because I think it'd be fun. I'm about to hit 7,000 supporters in there, so I can do it? Cross-promote me, man. Come on. I can have you as plus one Hell yeah I love it Oh you mean You mean you'll go as media And I can be your plus one You jerk Yeah baby Alright And I can dress you up as Avatar girl Yeah so I put on a tail and a leash and you can drag me around tpf now so i already had people reach out because last year at tpf i dressed in that willie wonka costume right because i've got that mike bernard did me up as willie wonka for my banner and my stickers we love mike so this year people like well you're going to be walking around as the navi now at texas pinball festival so i'm thinking oh my god should i go a tpf like completely blue in my tights and loincloth and getting blue paint on everybody's machines it depends on it depends on if alcohol is involved or not but maybe i'll hang on to these ears for a little bit longer yeah they looked awesome it was just you know yeah the topping of the cake man yeah and then i had to deadlift that game myself from the ground holy i need one of those three thousand dollar escalators we need more patreon members so i can go buy one of those $3,000 tilt tables. It was my first thought. I was like, why doesn't – I have a lift. I have used a lift for 20 years, man. I never do that kind of deadlift, ever.
    48:32
    I tried in my young days when I lifted the road show. Have you lifted a Belly Williams wide-body road show before? No, I can only imagine. That's a heavy MF, man. I was like, no, I'm going to buy this shit. Yeah. So fully, fully recommend it. And, yeah, I think, isn't it Zach that sells them? Yeah, yeah, they're backordered. They're $3,200. They look amazing. You know, it's essentially a tilt table to bring down. Is that what you have, or do you have something different?
    49:01
    No, I have one for like $800 or something. Oh, okay. You just take the carton off, and you just lay it down on the lift. You use no muscle. Just lay the pinball down, and it's laid in the middle, and you push with your foot, and it just lifts up the table, and you just screw all four legs. Oh, okay, I know what you mean. That's probably a much better way to do things. I should probably do it. It's a lift, yeah. And then when you want to move the games, you can still put it under the game and then just lift it two centimeters and just move around. And it costs, like, I think $700, $800 in Denmark, so I think it will cost, like, $500 for you in the U.K. You know, I probably could have. I have a pinball lift cart from Jason Grindle that I got, And it was $399, and you slide it. It's on wheels. You slide it under your machine. You crank it up, and then you can move it around. And I could have laid the machine down on that sideways. Yeah. Yeah, instead of destroying and getting – we're calling it discus prolapse here in Denmark. Discus prolapse. That's what I'm calling it from now on. What do you say in U.S. too? It would be a herniated nucleus propulsus or a slipped disc. A disc? Okay. We just call it discus prolapse. Disc puss. Yeah, I got that disc puss, man. Yeah, that's what, next time you do that, don't do it with JJP. Do it with Dungeons & Dragons. It's okay. Oh, that was easy, yeah. Yeah. So, the JJP Avatar CE. You have it in your home. Yes. You have turned it on. You have looked at the UV lights. Uh-huh. Are you impressed? Do you love them? Yeah, I mean, they're okay. They don't look as good as that prototype did in the factory that they showed me, though. That's the thing. Um, um, really the thing you notice when you're in the full night cycle is the, the flippers and the rubbers and the slings, like they're really wide and shiny and it's a great look. Like the whole thing is dark and, and, and lit up in all that UV goodness. But like, I'm not seeing like the flames really come out, like they're there, but I got to spend more time with it.
    51:06
    I think you need to maybe in your home have complete dark room and then have a, is it call uv light or black light yeah yeah and these blue rope lights i got behind me do fluoresce things like my spooky armor um like on scooby-doo was like bright and shiny um you can see the looney tunes going on yeah yeah um and i have a uv flashlight so i'm gonna go over it more now that i have some time and and really kind of see i know the art blades do pop out but um it looks so cool when they showed us that prototype one man there was just like a nice depth to it yeah Yeah, yeah. So you have played it for many times. Now you own the game.
    51:46
    Is it a $15,000 worth game? Yeah, so I was really hype after seeing the prototype play field, getting invited down there, and I loved the topper. And I wasn't interested in the limited one because I wanted to have everything if I was getting it. And Godfather looked great, but I just didn't like the theme. Like this theme I liked, and so I put my deposit down. And then since then and since November when I've been waiting a month, no game, a month, no game, a month, no game, I'm like, should I have just – and Harry Potter is coming. I'm like, I could have just – I could have been on the list for Potter for the same thing. That's what I've been saying. So I'm like, maybe I'll get 12 for this game when I'm done with it and only lose 3,000. I'm going to play it 3,000 times. I'll tell you that. Yeah, yeah. So, yeah, that did blunt it a bit, and those thoughts were in my head, you know. And so is it worth 15? I don't think any game really is, I mean, to be honest.
    52:46
    I will say it's fun having a JJP game again. Yeah. And, like, I don't like Wonka that much to have one. I don't like Dialed In that much to have one. Hobbit gets old for me. Guns N' Roses was really fun, but I played the hell out of that. So, like, it's nice to have one of their games again because I do like how they're built. I like where the volume knob is on it. I like how the menu system, how it logs in and all that business.
    53:10
    You know, so it's cool to have these again. Like now when I play a game, if I'm the high score of the day, I get to put my name in there. I love the camera that's in there. It's fun to have AJJP in the lineup. And so of all their games, like this one and Toy Story are like my two favorites. I could pick up a Toy Story a lot cheaper. But, yeah, I mean, it's fun having one again. So I'm having a good time with it. I do really love the topper. It's awesome. It's amazing. Now, this will be a bit chill talk for me because we sell these games. And I love JJP games. They remind me of Bella Williams. That's maybe why my love is like that for JJP. But everybody is talking about Elton John is the best JJP. And I love shooting that game. The Elton John design and layout, it's something that's familiar. We love the designer, Steve Ritchie, and it's such a cool shooting game. Yes. But the theme is so important for me, and the theme just kills it for me. Absolutely. Yeah. I turned that game off, and I turned on Avatar after. The theme of Avatar is not a bad theme. It's not Predator, but it's not a bad theme. I mean, back in 2008, it was an awesome experience with 3D glasses and all of that, you know, All this U.S. Indian story with Avatar folks. So the theme is actually okay for me. Yeah, it is. The theme is okay for me.
    54:40
    The gameplay, shots are layout, rams, wires everywhere. I like it. So when I play Avatar, I really enjoy it, man. And, you know, it gets dark and the whole play field layout seems like to change. I love it. I'm not one of those guys that are sitting in their parents' basement and just cry about, where's the toy? Where's the toy? I need to shoot. I need a toy to shoot. I need a medieval madness castle. You know when you get the extra ball in Avatar and it plays that little scene of the little Avatar baby? Like, here's your new baby. I love that. And so shooting up that middle to get to the little scoop gobble hole there that's under that tree, it reminds me you know what you know what game that reminds me of i was playing abba from pinball brothers and they have a they have a hole like that at the back of the play field that you shoot into to load balls into the helicopter and it's like all the way at the back of the game a straight shot to get right in there and then land in the hole it's fun and like this game has it too now playing avatar versus uh elton john elton john is really fast and fun to shoot that middle ramp and get balls into the piano or whatever but like do you ever when you're playing elton john really care that you got his fuzzy glasses and his fuzzy slippers and the cape like when i'm playing avatar and it's like pandora letter awarded i'm like hell yeah dude i'm halfway through pandora i made it all the way through the pandora letters last night and like it was fun like i wanted to keep that game going because i was collecting the things and it was fun but when i'm playing elton john like i don't care that i got his his sparkle glasses and his funny boots and all that bit Like, so what? And his music. I don't want to listen to Tiny Dancer. Game's fun to play. It's fun to play and shoot. But, like, I'll play it on location for one game and I'll go to something else, you know. But Avatar, I swear I had a 25-minute game on Avatar yesterday. I played a total of five balls with my two extras that I got. Lit all the letters. Played through a ton of modes. 500 million points. And, like, I was like, okay, that was a satisfying pinball experience. I called Monica downstairs. Get down here. Look, I lit all the things. Topper's going off I beat the crab two or three times I did a couple of the Hallelujah Mountain Multi-Balls or whatever And it plays different scenes For the different multi-balls when you redo them The second time in the same game The whole time I'm just in this Immersive IMAX kind of experience Right?
    57:09
    It's cinematic What's his name? I'm so bad with names Mark Seiden I'm excited about his next game Because Right now the next game Is from Eric Minier Rumored next game Allegedly Yeah rumored It's Harry Potter Yeah And the next guy online Is Steve Ritchie Rumors are saying the Matrix. Oh my god. So if they make Matrix 4, I'm done, but if they do Matrix 1, and it's Steve Ritchie, and it's JJP, oh my god! See, I don't mind having a JJP or two in the lineup, because they seem to come out with a game every 9 to 12 months or so, and so it's like, okay, I don't know that I would get three JJP games. I wasn't compelled enough to get a Toy Story 4 after the release. Godfather I definitely didn't want to get. This one I got. I wouldn't mind in a year maybe grabbing one of these and rotate Avatar out and bring in another JJP just because I do like their games. But I don't know. Maybe Avatar is going to be a keeper. We'll see. I'm having fun playing it right now. I'll tell you that. Yeah, yeah. Okay, so you don't regret buying it. You're enjoying it. I'm enjoying it, yeah. I'm having fun with it.
    58:40
    Okay, that's the most important. And it was only because of the rumors of Harry Potter and, like, financials and, like, oh, should I have waited? But, like, I'm glad to have one. It's super fun to play. It's good you bought it. I lost about that amount of money for the last nine, ten days, okay?
    58:58
    Yeah. You know, and I lost money on John Wick. I lost money on Kenny X-Men. So it's not like JJP is the only company you're losing money on, right? No, no, no, no, no. Get out of here. We all know how it is. some people are still like haven't crashed i don't know what they're on one of our shows you had a storm at your place and you had the worst internet oh god remember i had to do so much editing of the dead air yeah that happened oh my god you just froze you just froze okay that was our jjp talk so beautiful game at the end of our um evil dead talk i asked you a question i'm gonna ask the same question here. So, you just played it. You have it in your home. If you should rate it from 1 to 10 right now, how would you rate it? How would you give it? It's actually pretty good. Dungeons and Dragons, right? No, no. The J.J.P. game. Oh, Avatar. I'm sorry. We're done. Avatar. Right now, I'd give it an 8.1.
    59:57
    That's nice. Out of 10. Light Show is there. Cinematics and animations are great. I don't hate the art. The animations. Yeah. I mean, if this game had a dot matrix display, it wouldn't be as good as it is. And I have the CE now, so there's not that plastic topper. There's the good topper on there that adds a lot to it for me. That's an amazing topper. Yeah, because if we're talking about spectacle, that's what I want. Like, you know, that's what a JJP, that's what makes it different than Stern. It's heavy as shit. It's completely loaded with stuff. It's got a screen almost as big as my 1080p on the wall. And it's the cinematics. It's that part of it. It's the finish. The code's all done.
    60:36
    There might be some little bit, but they already have that flow chart of all the rules, and so everything's in the game. I'm sure there'll probably be some bug fix updates later on, but it's code complete. It's cinematic. That's the experience that it is. It's not, you know. And it's beautiful. Wow. So, yeah, 8.1. Yeah. Okay. That's a high rating for a game you just unboxed. Yeah. And you know I like that game, and it's not because we're selling it. I like it. You can ask me about other J.J.P. games, I will say my opinion, but Avatar, it's a cool game. I feel like most of the J.J.P. releases for the last 10 years, they always had one huge minus. If we take whatever, mention a J.J.P. game. Godfather.
    61:21
    Oh, my God. It has got more than one, but I love that game because of the theme. 6.3. Our biggest issue is every time a game comes out that's older than a theme from 1980s, if they go older than the 80s, it's so hard to sell. So this game from the – what's it, 71 or something, Godfather, is just too old for the demographic. when i look at who's listening to our show it's people from 40 to like 55 58 that's that's demo it's after 60 the listeners are just crashing down yeah so yeah from 80s 90s and newer so yeah the theme is weak on that game sorry donnie yeah i like to shoot it but uh yeah didn't get the popularity yeah and i think they they did i mean the the theme is what tanks the whole thing um the layout is okay and the the gold wire forms the sparkle that's in there franchise art like that's all great it's just all wrapped around a theme that drags it down because like i don't identify with it it's not a theme like i don't want to go in there and run around the play field if it was a theme park it's like i would walk through there on my way over to the fantasy dungeon area i think that's what i mean yeah so it's like so important never i just saw stern they posted yesterday what music band should we do a pinball of? What music band theme? Yeah, I saw that. First of all, thank you, Stern, to ask us a question like that. And I think that's Seth's thing, which is awesome. First of all, thank you, Stern. Second of all, I wrote there, please, from the 80s or newer, and make a hip-hop pinball machine. You know, Dr. Dre, Snoop, Tupac. I love stuff like that. Yeah, if a thousand people responded to that and 300 of them said we want a hip-hop pin, then they know that they can extrapolate that. But which designer should make a death row hip-hop machine, man? I mean, who... John Borg.
    63:44
    No, keep that one, dude. Come on, go with their top guy. Can you imagine Keith Elwin listening to Snoop Dogg? What theme has he got wrong so far, man? His layouts are awesome. Not wrong, but can you imagine Keith Elwin? Who do you want to code it? And who do you want to do the rules, I guess, is probably. Every time you ask me about code and rules, I want Keith Elwin's team. Yes. His team is led by Keith Elwin, and his games code. Okay. You think Keith Elwin was a huge Iron Maiden fan when they took his homebrew layout and they said, well, here's this 70s, 80s metal band thing. You know, it's phenomenal. But that design was already done. Yeah. And they were like, whoa, I think it was George Gomez that said, this guy, he can play pinball and this design is awesome. And at that time they had the Iron Maiden, so they just put that game on the game, just like they did with Star Wars. Star Wars was not designed as Star Wars. they just put that Star Wars theme on that design. That's how it went. Yeah. But I think Keith Elwin has listened more to Iron Maiden than hip-hop songs. Well, I think – come on. Do you think he listens to Snoop and – So who at Stern Pinball has street cred in South Side of Chicago? Is that what you're saying? I mean, that's my issue, man. I mean, I don't think you should give it to John Borg. but he did good with rush man he connects with the kids it's got his thumb on the culture but rush is not hip-hop i know i know you know i may have been i may have been joking there jeng is with you yeah yeah yeah it's it's so much different because if you said to me punk trash rock right then i know okay jack danger punk rock jack danger if you said you know red hot chili pepper or chocolate starfish rolling, rolling, rolling. Oh, my God. Limp Bizkit. That's Jack Danger. Yeah, I love it.
    66:00
    What was his name, man? What, Limp Bizkit? That was Fred Durst, man. Yeah, Limp Bizkit fucking it around. Chocolate starfish.
    66:08
    Yeah, I mean, Limp Bizkit won't sell today, but in the early 2000s, if they made a Limp Bizkit game, If they make it today, I would buy it. Yeah. But that game should 100% only be designed by Jack Danger. No one else. It just has Jack all over the place. If Limp Bizkit would have came out in, like, 1998, I would have jumped into the ball pit to try to scounge some tokens, and that's what I would have been playing for sure.
    66:35
    Yeah, man. Limp Bizkit, fucking up your tail. Oh, my God. It could be awesome. But, yeah, I would love some hip-hop, man.
    66:43
    All right, Jengis. Well, this was a very productive episode of WAP. I think we're going to have to take it to the green room here pretty soon for the after show. Wait, man. We need to talk about one more thing. All right. That's your Dungeons & Dragons unboxing. Oh, that old game?
    66:59
    So this was fun. I got the call that my Dungeons & Dragons LE was ready to be picked up in Chicago. I go to a warehouse there to pick up games from Stern. And so on the way down there, I get my text message from Ken like, hey, looks like your avatar will be ready this afternoon. So I was able to go down and do a double grab and grab both of the freaking games, which was awesome. Thanks for hooking that up. The stars aligned. So I got D&D Home. That's the one I unboxed first. That unboxing video is also on the Don's Pinball Podcast channel. We got into character there a little bit. I had a sword hanging on the wall, so we swung that around.
    67:34
    But, yeah, the game's been fun. My dragon is functioning without issue. No issues. I'll tell you, though, the day that I didn't have internet, playing Dungeons & Dragons was not as fun.
    67:46
    Because every time you start, you've got to start a brand new game, and the game's not really set up for that. You've got to log in and have your character and level everything up and stuff. Oh, it's an adventure for sure. Yeah, yeah. So you have played the game. It works out of the box. Yeah. It's beautiful, and you got the LE version, right? I got the LE version, yeah. I traded in John Wick and X-Men LEs, and then I'm like, you know what? Let me just grab an LE of that Dungeons & Dragons. Yeah. But you got more on that trade. You also got the Kong. Oh, yeah, yeah. Rumored Kong. Kong is coming, so that was part of the trade as well. So I'm set now here for a while. Yeah. So I want to ask you. Yes. Is it worth $13,000?
    68:31
    Hmm. Is anything worth $13,000? If it had expression lights, I would say yes. John Wick looked so beautiful, and I still think John Wick is probably the best LE package they've released as far as art, expression lights, and everything that came with it. Jaws is pretty close. You got the shooter rod with it. This one, it's worth $12,000. Yeah.
    69:01
    All right, all right, all right. So I want to ask you one more question. Yeah. Okay. How would you rate it from 1 to 10? Right now, probably like 7.9. It's fun. You know what? The real part of this game is the dungeon master that's calling out everything. You know, the guy that when you start the game, Tiamat is looking to escape her prison or something or banishment. But as you play the quests and it plays like the little vignette of like, you know, the characters arrive in the town and they have to, you know, the zombie sailors are jumping up and you have to take them out. And then it goes back to playing. Like, that's the fun part of it. Traveling, you know, from one city to the next city, completing the quests in that city, and then going on to the next one, you know, interspiced with the Dragon Multiball. Like, that's the game. And so when you start a brand-new game every time, and you can only pick from one of the four same towns to start with, that gets old pretty quick. Like, if you were playing on location and weren't logging in, or like me, didn't have Internet, it's not as much fun. because as I've played, I've been able to complete one of the towns, and I've got this, I don't know, some kind of magic arrows or something, which adds a little bit of an extra oomph when I'm shooting things around the play field with the action button. So cool. So that part of it is fun, and I want to see that code continue to develop. And it's only .85 right now. It's only .85. So this game can end up, when it gets to 1.0, being a completely loaded adventure in a box, man. Yeah, yeah. Absolutely, man, absolutely. It feels like a pretty complete game When you think about how new the game is Already I appreciate that So this is probably a game that came out when it was supposed to Or maybe it got a little bit of a delay Whereas X-Men and I think WIC were really pushed forward And so they released really early And that's going to stain them Going forward So was it Ken Cromwell that sent A little high and said We should talk about No that was not Ken Cromwell You said something Ken said.
    71:02
    Oh, he said he saw my unboxing. I mentioned that. You sent me a message. Someone that you said Ken said hi Hi back Ken Cromwell Yeah But you also said someone said we should talk about remakes of games who was that oh that was chris franchi i was talking to him the other day yeah well okay okay wait hello franchi thank you for listening dear friend yeah the thing i want to talk about we're going to talk about that in another show great idea dude hey jingis what's up man have you heard about this jay and silent bob rumor oh my god i cannot donnie That's a rumor I'm really looking forward to. If you ask me, do you want Harry Potter or Jay and Silent Bob, I would take Jay and Silent Bob any day after the week. Do you want Back to the Future or Jay and Silent Bob? I want Jay. 15 bucks, little man. Put that shit in my hand. You got to see Jenga's on video right now. He's getting jiggy into this, man. I'm dancing, baby. I'm dancing.
    72:04
    Man. Dude, give me the 90s stuff. Give me the stuff. I grew up with. Kevin Smith, he made the Clerks. Yes. Clerks 2 with the donkey. Oh, my God. So many. Chasing Amy. We grew up with these games. I'm not even supposed to be here today. Yeah.
    72:24
    Do you think it will happen? Because, you know, Kevin Smith working with Stern, do you think it will happen? If it's going to happen, is it with Stern? because what he was saying on that live stream was that, no, Stern's not the people that are doing it, but he's got a deal somewhere. I hope that's not one of these floating licenses with American Pinball.
    72:46
    Donnie, stop that. Oh, no. I know, I know, I know, but David Fix told me he had the next three titles were licenses, and we already heard the Cuphead rumor, and so there's another game out of there after that that's supposed to come out, and then another one after that. Making more games, Tony. They're called something fun is done or something. Fun's up. Fun's over. Doesn't that mean your fun is up, like your time is up, you're done? Yes, that's what that means. So I don't know. What the heck? They said it means fun supplier, like fun supply. I don't know. I don't get it either. Like what's up? Like word back in 1987, word, Tony. Is that what they mean? What the heck? No, like fun supplier. Like they supply fun things. So they're fun.
    73:44
    Fun's up, man. Their time's up. What's the next thing? It's a modular design for Multimorphic. Oh, no. Yeah, no. They do one game a year, and they do in Portal. So it's not that. Thanks the fuck for that. This is Stern collaborating work with. This is Stern, Jack Danger, and Keith Elwin, and Kevin Smith. They're working with this game. And it's going to be Jay and Silent Bob Strikes Back from 2003 or something. I mean, I would be interested if that was the team that was doing it. Spooky is not doing it.
    74:22
    So, and JJP, I don't think they would be the type to do that. So, who does that leave? It's either American Pinball or maybe it is Stern. I want Stern to do it. I want this game. This, I mean, if this is true, it's really, for me, it's the theme of the year. Better than Poetral, Portal, or whatever. Because, you know, everything Kevin Smith did, it's from our teens, Donnie. It hits us. Oh, yeah. Yeah, that Mallrat stuff, we went to all those malls. I went in and played all my Neo Geo games. I had my girlfriend with me. I absolutely was a mall rat.
    75:02
    I would go to the bookstore and read the video game magazines and then just put them back because I didn't have $4 to buy it. Those malls and arcades in there, they were just mad. I went to a mall here in Denmark. I was maybe 11 or something. I went in there. I had my Amiga at home. So when I went in there, I played these Neo Geo kind of arcades. I was an arcade guy before I was a pinball guy. So at the corner, 1991, they had Terminator 2 arcade machine with dual Uzis. But next to it, they had a pinball machine. And I'm a little kid. And I'm looking at this Arnold picture at the back glass, everything. Put in the money. It start up. The music starts up, everything. And I'm a huge Arnold fan. I grabbed that gun. I shoot it. The ball launches up, and it goes up, and it flies down between the flippers, and I'm just looking down. What happened? And then the ball popped up again, and it had this orange display, no colors, no nothing. And I looked, and I pushed at the button, and those flippers went up, and I shot the ball again, and I start flipping, and it went up and hit a stand-up target and down between the flippers. And the third ball, I shot the Rams, and I got this orange text on the DMD, and the ball just drained. And I was like, dude, boring game.
    76:32
    The graphics has one color. My Amiga at home has like 16 colors. This is junk. My computer at home is much, much better. That was my first pinball experience. That's funny. But it was at a mall. Yeah. No, I mean, like, it's a theme that I want to see done, but it's not something I thought would be commercially viable. I don't think anybody would actually make that. So, yeah, I'm kind of like, I'm hedging a little bit. I want to see if it's real. Dude, every time a film comes out and you see 10-second clip of J.N. Silent Bob standing at the corner of that movie, you're like, oh, at the cinema. I know how it feels because I get those. when my son was younger when we saw something something and we saw jay and sonny bob i was like oh it was like dad what's going on i'm like these guys are legends man love them blunt man and chronic absolutely man yeah but i please not just a rumor please make that i mean yeah for me it's much better than back to the future it's much better than harry potter i which if you should choose between harry potter or back to the future what's best for you probably harry potter okay i think i think you're totally out with the back to the future yeah and i mean yeah back to the future is awesome too but so is ghostbusters but like harry potter's more modern it's got like a deeper world that's built into it you know like a sense of magic and wonder um Whereas, like, and part of it is because imagining what the game is going to be like. Harry Potter is probably going to be loaded with all kinds of stuff that we expect from a modern pinball machine.
    78:20
    And Back to the Future is going to have, like, all the hit moments of the movie, but it's basically going to retell the film, you know. And the modes will be, you know, hit the spinner to build up to 88 miles an hour, then hit the action button, and then it plays a scene from the movie. Thank you. Which I think is awesome. and hopefully there's got to be flames across the play field that light up when you shoot off or something. Or if Jersey Jack was doing it, there'd be hot rails.
    78:47
    I like them hot rails, man. They're cool. No, it's cool. I mean, if I was like I had to go all in and get one of the machines, I'd probably lean towards Harry Potter just because I've been in the theme park areas too and seen how immersive and fun that world is. And so I've been on the theme park version of Back to the Future, and it wasn't as great. So I just think there's more to work with Harry Potter.
    79:12
    I did something because of you, because you're talking about this theme so much. So I did something, and that was last night I started watching an old movie from 1985. Uh-oh. That was called The Goonies. Yes, dude. for the first time okay so i started this movie and i watched yesterday the first 30 minutes yeah it was i know you had to watch it 40 years ago right right yeah so it's not fair to do it this way i'm an old guy today these kids they are screaming when they're talking this truck kid He's screaming, and they're talking between each other. I got a headache, so I went to bed. Today, after work, I watched the rest of the movie, right? So they were screaming, screaming a lot.
    80:15
    And I saw this creepy guy, which is not that creepy. He's actually a sweetheart, that slot guy or whatever he's called. Thank you, guys. Yeah, absolutely. the film is a product of its time donnie yeah it didn't age well because like eight years later they made the same guy made um jurassic park that that movie aged well you can watch it today but but goonies was like it's a product of its time you it's it's one of those it has so many gimmicks with you push this um this what's it called this wire yeah and it trips a ball and it goes down and turns something and it turns on the light bulb that was just i don't know what's that does it have a name in the u.s it's like a rube goldberg machine is what they call it like when one thing does another does another yeah yeah yeah it was just so many places in the movie And I think it was cool back in 1985.
    81:20
    Yeah, it must have been. But today it just really didn't work for me. I didn't have no scenes where I was laughing. The guy from Indiana Jones, the tech guy, the data guy, he had lights and everything. I think it was cool as a kid, but it was just so much 1985. So imagine being like eight years old and you watch that movie. Yeah, back then. Today I was talking about when my son, this weekend, should we watch it together? He's 14 now. I don't think it would work for him. Because I smelled a bit of Indiana Jones vibes, and that was like, whoa! But it feels like the whole audio package, it didn't have memorable music. it didn't have something cool you can use for the call out excuse me sir, Cyndi Lauper did music for that film that's the end of the movie right? have you seen her music video that she did that Goonies music video for Good Enough no but when the movie ended and she started singing I was like I know this song Goonies are good enough exactly but throughout the movie it didn't have something memorable So that was – because I'm thinking about pinball now. Yeah. So, yeah. And call-outs. These kids, they were just shouting at each other. One kid, the kid from Lord of the Rings, Sean – Sean Astin, yeah. Yeah.
    82:57
    Wow. He didn't shout once, and he really says to Sean, he's like – When everybody is in panic, he's like, look, this is our chance. We should go further down, look for these trash. He does a great job. I really liked him. Wow. Really good. Really, really good. But other than that, because this is a theme you really want to have as a pinball machine. How do you want to implement this in a pinball machine? So what you have to do is you have to have the whole thing take place in like that cave system with the ship and in the water in that cave. Yeah, with the water slides and everything or the ball pass, and you're trying to loot the ship and all that business. You have to have some kind of big ship mechanism that gets, like, freed at the end and a bunch of one-eye-willy references. I think that's kind of – and then maybe when you're playing the game, like, it plays through the scenes or something on the screen, but, like, you know, you've got to have, like, you know, okay, you're the escape from the Fratelli's mode. Then you have to hit the ramp so many times to escape. You know, you have to break Sloth out. You know, so, like, that's how I – conceptually, If I was to walk up to a Goonies pinball machine, I would expect to see like, you know, the pirate map, the treasure map on the play field with lit inserts. And then the whole thing take place in like that cave system from the movie. Because that's probably what people remember, you know, you know, kids, booby traps, booby traps, booby trap. Yeah. You know, you got to get the rich stuff like that was the whole movie. But a lot of it was like the scene building around Astoria, Oregon. And it's like kind of misty. It's seafront town. It's a real place. It's kind of cool. That same house was used again, I think, in Short Circuit or some other film. Yeah, there's a lot of filming that was done around that. And there was another film from around that same time, which has also aged kind of poorly, especially like you remember Short Circuit? Johnny Five is alive. You remember that Indian actor that was in that movie? You know, oh, Mr. Johnny Five, we have to program you. Remember that character? That wasn't an Indian guy. That was a white guy pretending to be an Indian guy. Oh, yeah. You can't do it today. You can't do that today.
    85:03
    I love the reference to Gremlins in the movie where he calls the cop and the cop says, yeah, just like the last time you said you don't feed these out to me. Yeah. I love that. So, like, it was absolutely a product of that time. That Hey, You Guys call out from Sloth is from an old children's television program called The Electric Company that aired in the 80s. and they used to show it to us in school. It was kind of like a Sesame Street kind of science show. There was another one called 3-2-1 Contact, but the electric company would start out with, hey, you guys. And so when we heard that in the movie, we remember that from third grade because we would watch that. So it's all those references from like that time period that are in there. So when I was a little, you know, six-year-old kid, I only watched that little clip where Sloth, he takes his hands up and he has chain in between and he's angry.
    85:58
    Baby Ruth? Yeah, that's the only clip I watched as a little kid and I just changed the channel. That's the only memory I have of the Goonies until today. Today I get it. If you grew up with it, I get it. It feels like it has got some cheap indie stuff in there, Indiana Jones stuff in there. Probably all the people that really want to see Goonies done, they probably haven't seen the movie in 20 years. So they're just remembering what it was like back then for them. Like, oh, yeah, dude, I remember that being awesome. Yeah. The childhood memories are awesome. But for me, when we talk about pinball themes, for me it's always, almost always my teenage years. I want to relive them because my teenage years were just awesome. When I was a kid, I played with G.I. Joe's. I love G.I. Joe's. They make a G.I. Joe pinball machine. Woo-hoo, right? Yeah. But to be honest, make the J on Silent Bob. I was like, what, 21 or something. I don't know. I wasn't a teenager, but when I was 21, I was still a teenager in my head. So those years, for me, 90s, they're just so magical, man. Let me see. Clerks came out what year? 1994. 1994, yeah. So perfect. So I graduated high school in 1997. so like 95 was my year where i became like kind of aware of the world and how it works i picked up a skateboard i'm like i tried to learn drums i'm like all right let's let's do this uh women got a lot more interesting all of a sudden like that was oh yeah for me it was like 93 yeah with my first lady i think it was there and oh my god and then i dropped computers and everything was just women ladies oh you know when you when you transition from like i'm wearing what my parents bought for me to like, I kind of want to do this now. Like that, that period of time. Yeah. That was 95. I remember, I remember 91. Yeah. I was just this little dork and it was all about Terminator 2. Yeah. It was so good. And I, my, I learned my English through watching Terminator 2. And like six months later, I found out about, there's a movie called Terminator 1 also. What?
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    What? And I watched that. Whoa, man. Awesome, awesome movie. I want T1, T2 to be made. Absolutely, man. Why do – I mean, we still have Arnold make his games. So, yeah, and that was what Mr. Chris Franchi was talking about the other day. Like, what other games from, like, 80s, 90s or something could be remade now and really, like, blow up? Like, we had a King – or not a King Kong. Kind of almost a day-to-day King Kong. But Godzilla back in the day came out. Jurassic Park back in the day came out. They were both redone with modern technology and are like amazing games, right? So maybe Terminator 2 made today with like everything modern. Can you imagine? And still get like Arnie to sign off on the rights to his call outs from back then? Oh, my God. I mean, that's what, I mean, oh, my. Drop everything else. Terminator 2. I mean it will hit everybody from the 90s Can you imagine playing a pinball mode Where you're being chased by the 18 wheeler Oh I love it And you're on the motorcycle and you're trying to stay ahead of them And it's not just a stupid video mode It's actually like They should make something so When you complete that mode The truck should come from the apron And land between your flippers Yeah It's just over the top action T-1000 morphing into different shit Just coming after you Oh, my God. Also, actually, I want them to remake Demolition Man. That could be awesome, man, with Sly. I would love that, Demolition Man. Really, really cool from that era also. So, yeah, for me, hit us with the 94. I'm just going through all the hits of like that and the Sandra Bullock character and like Murder, Death, Kills and the Three Seashells. Oh, yeah, yeah. He's learning martial arts. I know how to crochet. what the hell is this shit? What do you mean you're going to Taco Bell? I don't want to go to Taco Bell. I don't think it's Taco Bell. You can make an underplay feel, you know, with all the people that are on the ground and they can come up and, you know, drop Taco Bell. With a Dennis Leary character comes up there doing his riff on modern society and you pay all this money and they take you to Taco Bell but you can't own the Taco Bell because we've got to live in the sewers because of this man, man. We can eat some rat meat down here. Let's do demolition, man. Wesley Snipes. Wesley Snipes at his peak right before the feds got him for tax evasion.
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    Illuminate. Like the whole play field lights up. I've changed it. Illuminate. So, a slime eating burger. We've got to get Simon Phoenix.
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    What does he say? You need a maniac to catch a maniac. Some shit like that. What's the deal with the seashells? Yeah, the three seashells. When he's eating the burger, they're like, do we see any cows here? No. So what is this? It's rat meat. And he just smells the meat and just keeps chewing it. Love it. It's pretty good. Pretty good. There are just so many great themes out there, man. And we're getting portaled. What the heck? Listen, I quit trying to understand that company while we're here. I mean, the people that are getting these themes, they need to be about 45 years old, not older. Yeah. Yeah, not older. One is the people that has got the money to buy, but I'm always thinking about locations. The thing I'm so angry about with JJP, I love JJP, they choose themes like Gone with the Wind and stuff like that. You know, it just chocolate factory. Kids are on that back glass talking. And when I watched Goonies, I'm going to have kids on that back glass talking. It doesn't work. Like I'm the one that's buying every machine. Why don't you be making what I want, right? Ask Donnie.com. We should make a page called Ask Donnie. Just ask. I love Stern sending out this, you know, which music pins should be made. Just do it more often, man. I agree. Just being in touch. Jersey Jack should do this. Rumors with Matrix, 90s theme. Yes, please. It's like a modern make of like a 90s theme. I was like 90s. I love it. Yeah. Absolutely, man. Well, cool, buddy. Yeah. All right, Donnie. Let's check out my dear friend. All right. I'm going to drop these episodes. They're going to be hot and amazing. And I'm doing time stamps here, so 58, 32. All right, well, that was an extra 20 minutes for the WAP show. It's going to be a monster.
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    It's cool, man. Just cut out the – our show cut out and just put the ending in there after. I got it, man. All right, I'm entering recording. All right, Jenkins, that was fantastic. Let's go – hang on. Before you get to that next point, let's head over to the after show on the Patreon, and we'll kick that going over there. So everybody, patreon.com backslash wearepinball. Join. Five bucks will let you in the door. $200 and you can have my firstborn. I don't know where he's living now. He's out somewhere with his mom, but we'll track him down and get him to you. Genghis. Hey, guys. This is. Whoa, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me go. Here. Genghis.
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    It's been a good day, just like Ice Cube said. Hell yeah. We are Pinball episode 25. Thank you to all the Patreon members, supporters, listeners around the world and around the globe, as well as beneath it in the deep, dark magma chambers that you rock lizard people are listening to. We're going to be playing some Dungeons & Dragons and some Avatar later. We're going to head over to the After Party show. There's some other rumored titles that I want to bring up and talk about and get Genghis's input on. So you can email us at wearepinball69 at gmail.com. Follow us on the Facebook page as well. Jump on the, well, we don't have a Discord for this yet, but jump on the Patreon chat. Patreon is even free to join if you want to start there. Absolutely, man. And then kick your five bucks, you jealous bastard. Send us some audio clips. You just listened to two of them on this show.
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    I'm loving them. So send us more audio clips at wearepinball69 at gmail.com. And email me. T-shirts are in stock. They're going out every size. Let's go. Wearepinball69 at gmail.com. Later.