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Episode 11 – Gettin’ Floaty With It

Slam Tilt Podcast·podcast_episode·analyzed·Sep 22, 2016
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TL;DR

Stern pricing strategy, market competition, and Rock Fantasy venue quality dominate discussion.

Summary

Ron Hallett and Bruce Nightingale discuss Stern's pricing strategy for Batman 66 ($15,000 Super LE tier), market competitiveness with boutique manufacturers like Spooky and Jersey Jack Pinball, and tournament results from Rock Fantasy and other venues. The episode includes significant debate about venue quality (floaty playfields at Rock Fantasy), upcoming pinball expo reveals, and personal tournament placement stories.

Key Claims

  • Stern has approximately 92-96% market share in pinball manufacturing

    high confidence · Ron Hallett citing Stern's stated market dominance, discussing competitive pressure from boutique manufacturers

  • Batman 66 Super Limited Edition will cost $15,000

    high confidence · Ron and Bruce discussing newly announced pricing; Tim Sexton reportedly predicted this correctly

  • Jersey Jack Pinball's third game (by Pat Lawler) will be shown at Pinball Expo

    high confidence · Announced during Jersey Jack open house; described as being in the factory/back area

  • Spooky Pinball's third game will cost $6,295 with no Limited Edition tier, only different back classes

    high confidence · Announced during the week prior, mentioned on Coast to Coast pinball podcast

  • Ghostbusters has playfield ghosting issues that Stern has reportedly fixed in newer builds

    medium confidence · Bruce mentions playfield ghosting problem and notes newer Premium units are arriving; he will inspect one at local league

  • Game of Thrones (Premium) had severe ghosting issues on upper playfield

    medium confidence · Ron mentions personal experience with his Game of Thrones Premium; also references Spider-Man VE having ghosting

  • Aerosmith will be Stern's next game after Batman 66

    medium confidence · Ron and Bruce discussing Stern's upcoming pipeline; community speculation about pricing return to lower tiers

  • Rock Fantasy has persistent playfield leveling and maintenance issues, limiting venue appeal

    high confidence · Extensive debate between Bruce and Ron; Bruce drove 4+ hours and complains of floaty, unleveled games; venue lacks full-time technician

Notable Quotes

  • “If they were truly pricing themselves out of the market, people would not be buying the games at all. Plain and simple.”

    Ron Hallett @ pricing discussion section — Core argument that Stern's pricing power indicates market demand despite boutique competitor entry

  • “They're going to say, we're going to charge, you know, a.k.a. $10,000. But, you know, maybe we'll make it $95 instead of $9.”

    Ron Hallett @ pricing strategy section — Prediction that Stern will not drop prices once increased; market will set floor

  • “Fucking four hours I drive for fucking floaty games. Not level games.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ Rock Fantasy discussion — Captures venue quality complaint that drives away remote players; defines 'floaty' as lack of proper leveling

  • “He doesn't have a tech. He's not going to be able to pay anyone to be a tech.”

    Bruce Nightingale @ Rock Fantasy operational discussion — Identifies root cause: venue operator cannot afford dedicated maintenance technician

  • “It's a smoke shop, and he might get one person a day that goes in that area to play anything.”

    Ron Hallett @ Rock Fantasy business model discussion — Explains why Rock Fantasy cannot justify full-time tech; low pinball-specific traffic

  • “A company that doesn't even exist to that moment and a game... They didn't make them.”

    Ron Hallett @ JJP market entry discussion — References Jersey Jack Pinball's market-disrupting Wizard of Oz at $5,500-$6,500 LE pricing despite company being new

  • “Spooky put an announcement out I guess this past week that his third game is going up in price.”

    Ron Hallett @ Spooky pricing section — Industry-wide pricing inflation affecting boutique manufacturers; contrast with Stern's larger increases

Entities

Ron HallettpersonBruce NightingalepersonTim SextonpersonPat LawlerpersonStern PinballcompanyJersey Jack PinballcompanySpooky PinballcompanyBatman 66game

Signals

  • ?

    product_strategy: Stern raised Super LE pricing to $15,000 for Batman 66, continuing trend of $1,000+ increases across tiers. Community debates whether this will be sustainable or trigger demand destruction.

    high · Ron and Bruce confirm $15,000 Super LE price; discussion of Stern's willingness to maintain elevated pricing if market bears it

  • $

    market_signal: Spooky Pinball raising prices on third game to $6,295 (no LE tier); JJP's market disruption with Wizard of Oz at $5,500-$6,500 LE continues to set benchmarks. Boutiques gaining credibility despite Stern's 92-96% market share.

    high · Ron cites Spooky announcement; discusses JJP's breakthrough and Stern's reactive positioning

  • ?

    product_concern: Ghostbusters experiencing widespread playfield ghosting issues; newer Premium builds reportedly have fix. Spider-Man VE and Game of Thrones also affected. Quality control concern for Stern.

    high · Bruce mentions inspecting new Premium Ghostbusters Friday; Ron reports Game of Thrones ghosting; references other affected games

  • ?

    venue_signal: Rock Fantasy struggles with playfield maintenance; operator cannot afford dedicated technician. Venue located in low-traffic smoke shop generates insufficient pinball revenue to justify full-time tech. Impacts player retention from remote areas.

    high · Extensive discussion about floaty games, lack of tech, venue economics; Bruce's repeated complaints about driving 4+ hours for poorly maintained machines

  • ?

    announcement: Jersey Jack Pinball's third game (designer Pat Lawler) will be on display at Pinball Expo. Also expecting Stern Aerosmith reveal and other manufacturer teasers.

Transcript

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0:00
Señor Butthead, ¿Cómo es Juan? Uh, burritos? No, no, no. ¿Cómo es Juan? Uh, guacamole. No, no. Señor Vives, ¿Cómo es Juan? Um, spaghetti. Spaghetti? That's Italian, you moron!
0:30
Coming to you from beautiful upstate New York, this is the Slam Tilt Podcast, a show about all things pinball. I'm your host, Ron Hallett, here with my co-host, Bruce Nightingale. Yeah. And welcome to Episode 11, The Search for More Money. Yes, or really The Search for Spock, but we will go with the Spaceballs reference, definitely, of the search for more money. In this case, the Stern search for more money.
1:05
Yeah. So, Bruce, have you made your video yet? Have you sent your video to Gary Stern? No, I was too busy sucking at pinball, but we'll go into that a little later on. So you were unable to get the hookers to your house? Nope. The ad didn't work. Yeah, Tim put the Craigslist ad in, and it did not work. Okay. All I got was some 80-year-old women, and I was like, eh.
1:28
So, yeah, I haven't got time to do my video either. The interesting thing to me is for the Super LEs, you know, they're $15,000. Which Tim Sexton hit right the nail on the head. Yes, our guest Tim hit it right on the head. Before it was even mentioned. Before it was mentioned. I know, I think our podcast, we record on Tuesday and we put it out Thursday, which I think the price was out by then, but I can say unequivocally, a big word there, that he guessed that right on the head. No, he didn't guess. He didn't guess at all. Oh, he didn't guess? He knows. No, he knows. He knows. He has. Okay. He's got his side of the ball. He's got ESPN. You mean ESP? No, ESPN. Okay.
Ghostbusters
game
Aerosmithgame
Game of Thronesgame
Wizard of Ozgame
The Hobbitgame
Rock Fantasy Pinball and Smoke Shopvenue
Pinball Expoevent
Jersey Jack Open Houseevent
Trent Augustineperson
Robert Gagneauperson
Jerry Bernardperson
Greg Pavarelliperson
Zach Sharpeperson
Mike Smithperson
Steve Bowdenperson
Coast to Coast Pinballorganization

high · Ron cites Jersey Jack Open House announcement; Pat Lawler's game described as being in factory/back area

  • ?

    gameplay_signal: 'Floaty' gameplay at Rock Fantasy attributed to poor playfield leveling and lack of maintenance. Players adjust differently to venue conditions; Bruce struggles with improper ball physics and tilt sensitivity variance.

    high · Extensive debate between Bruce and Ron; Bruce characterizes floaty games as unplayable; discussion of tilt triggering on moved machines

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Bruce expects Papa (unknown reference) standard of machine condition; floaty/unlevel games frustrate experienced tournament players. Implies proper leveling and maintenance is baseline expectation, not luxury.

    medium · Bruce wants immaculate conditions; Ron counters that players should adjust. Debate over whether venue or player skill is limiting factor.

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Zach Sharpe noted as strong player on Bro Do You Pinball format; Ron recommends him as replacement. Player has avoided podcast appearances but performs well competitively.

    medium · Ron volunteers Zach as his successor; mentions difficulty getting him on podcast; notes he 'kills' the game

  • ?

    business_signal: Mike Smith opening dedicated pinball shop/repair store in North Syracuse, NY with October 1st opening. Represents new venue entry in regional market; operator willing to launch dedicated business model.

    high · Ron interviewing Mike Smith next episode; confirmed October 1st opening; described as repair shop plus retail sales

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Community skepticism about Stern's pricing justification; debate over whether price increases are sustainable or will trigger demand destruction. Boutique manufacturers seen as legitimate alternatives despite smaller scale.

    medium · Ron argues Stern not pricing out of market based on continued sales; Bruce skeptical. Discussion of whether players will defect to JJP/Spooky if Stern prices climb further.

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Rock Fantasy used matchplay.events software for tiebreaker randomization; tournament run well despite venue quality complaints. Shows software-driven tournament management evolving.

    medium · Ron's tiebreaker story: random game selection (Addams Family twice) determined 4-way tie resolution; ended in 5th place finish

    • 2:18
    Okay, ESPN. So the Super LEs, right, they cost $15,000. Yes, it does. The kind of people who would have the money to buy a $15,000 pinball machine. Do you think these are the same type of people who would do a video of themselves, basically humbling themselves before Stern, begging to get the game? I just don't see that.
    2:44
    I don't know. There's some whack jobs out there, a.k.a. our listeners. Well, yeah. Yes. If you're listening to us, clearly you are crazy. Crackheads. Yes. Yes, we attract crackheads. Yes, that is true. Going all the way back to, you know, my first – the first episode. The first episode. Well, I was reading some of that forum that we call Pinside that we love. But Bruce has no idea what I'm talking about. This is a thing called – yeah, Pinside. And I was just – I was on the Batman 66 thread, which turns into the whole like, you know, The pricing has gotten out of control and the usual thing. But I have to ask your opinion on something. I think some people are in the fantasy world that Stern has raised the prices significantly for this game. They have in the past 10 years or 15 years. But this is when they've raised it a grand from almost all the tiers.
    3:48
    But it's boutique. It's a boutique game. Yes, that is the – some people are doing the opinion like it's a boutique game. So the pricing will go back down when Aerosmith comes out. Yes, that's the next game. And I just think they're high. No, it's not going down. If they can get the money for this, they're going to get the money. It might go down $500. I will say it'll probably go down $500, but it would not be smart of a company to go, well, we're going to charge this level for one time, and then we're going to go back down. They're going to say, we're going to charge, you know, a.k.a. $10,000.
    4:21
    But, you know, maybe we'll make it $95 instead of $9. Yeah, I just – and like if they keep doing this, they're going to lose business to JJP and Spooky and all these – yeah. Well, hold on. If you did listen to another podcast, which I'm going to definitely talk about, Coast to Coast, Spooky put an announcement out I guess this past week that his third game is going up in price. But there is no LEs. It's going to be $6,295, but no LEs but different back classes. You know, I'll give Spooky credit. They're like the only boutique – they're the only other manufacturer that actually makes games. Well, no. They have a set amount of games, and you can be confident if you buy one of their games, you will actually receive it sometime in a year's period. No, that doesn't bother me. I don't mind that at all. But there are more – the problem people maybe do see or don't see, there are more choices now with highway, with Dutch pinball.
    5:31
    I know Stern has AKA 96% or 95% or I think they said 92% of the market. Do they want all 100? Of course they do. But don't forget, they are still fighting for 8% of the money.
    5:46
    So they have to put out a good product. I don't know about the past couple showings. But, hey, anything's possible. I just don't see Stern looking at the other manufacturers like, oh, we need to get – I don't think they – No, they do. They have to. No, they have to. I don't think they care. I'll prove exactly why. Okay, prove why. LCD screen.
    6:12
    Yeah, but they were... They were the last to come to the LCD screen side. Yes. So what does that tell you? They actually had to do it to be competitive with other players. They had to. If they kept on playing with the LED dot matrix display, it would tear down more walls. when you look at the Hobbit, I was watching it again with the Buffalo guys with 1.35 that they were playing last night. It's a beautiful game.
    6:48
    It is the most beautiful game I've ever seen. The DMD is beautiful. Not DMD, but the LCD screen is beautiful. The play field is beautiful.
    6:59
    But there's the third part when you play a Hobbit that doesn't come in. It's not a... I don't have a fun game, but it just doesn't grab me yet. It's floaty as hell. Well, don't go about floaty. Don't go there. But it's, well, not to get into the hobbit there. I think JJP's best, their biggest contribution is when they put Wizard of Oz out there for, what was it, $6,500? $5,500 for the LEs. $6,500 for a game from a company that, until that moment, did not exist. and saying, you know... The highest priced ones, the LEs were from Stern, cheaper. Yeah, yeah. And they sold out.
    7:45
    You know, a company that doesn't exist to that moment and a game... What's his name? Well, yeah, oh.
    7:55
    I could have got my Predator. Your Predator and your Magic Girl? Yeah, my Magic Girl and my Alice in Wonderland and, you know, a couple others. But guess what? They didn't make them. You know, Sturm is there looking at that saying, holy shit. These people will pay money for – the company doesn't even exist. I know. But that's an old argument. I'm talking about the new argument, which you're bringing up right now is, are they pricing themselves out of the market? No. They're not. They're not pricing themselves. The problem is because guess what? If they were truly pricing themselves out of the market, people would not be buying the games at all. Plain and simple. Yeah. And they will keep going up until they don't sell them. Exactly. And once they don't sell them, or if a recession or money hits and the job market goes dump, or when Hillary takes the presidential election. Or Trump, in this case. Or I'm thinking more Hillary. Or any – oh, the hate mail to Bruce. No, no, I just want none of the above. I want the Brewster millions, none of the above. None of the above, okay.
    8:59
    That's my thing, because I don't trust either of them. They're both whack jobs. I'm voting for Lincoln. Is he available? He's probably pretty old, though.
    9:08
    I don't even like the third-party option either. Oh, my God. I'm going to move to Canada. You notice how nobody says I want to move to Mexico?
    9:16
    You notice that? President Bruce. Vote for Bruce, ladies and gentlemen. But do you notice how nobody ever says, I want to move to Mexico? No, because I don't want to get shot. Well, and it's warmer down there. It's nicer weather. Yeah, it's nicer. I would stay around the resort areas if I was down there. I would not venture out of those. You never see that. They always say, you know, I'm going to move to Canada. Yeah. You know? No. But going back to the thing, they haven't priced themselves out yet. But I think they have to step up something. Yeah. Ghostbusters hasn't grabbed me.
    9:52
    It's grabbed a lot of people. Oh, it's grabbed a lot of people. Oh, yeah. They cannot keep up with the demand. And supposedly they have fixed the play field issue. We'll see, because I'm actually going to open up a premium this Friday. A newer built premium? Brand new premium. So what you're saying is I should be emailing my distributor asking, yo, people are getting a premiums now. Where am I? Where am I in the queue?
    10:18
    The one that is local to us, actually, we're going to have it for league night. He's actually getting it tomorrow, which is Wednesday, and we'll be unboxing it Friday. Excellent, excellent. So I'll actually have bird's eye view on a premium, and we'll see how the ghost thing is. Well, hopefully there won't be any. There's going to be Blinky and Pinky and Clyde. And Slimer. Hopefully it'll be the right ghosts. Oh, shit, wrong ghost. That is hilarious. You know, I haven't heard too many discussions on just the irony, the hilarity that the game with the ghosting problems is Ghostbusters primarily. No. To me, that's hilarious. I saw it in the... Well, Spider-Man VE's had it, too. Yes, but I also saw it in my Game of Thrones. My upper play field was terrible.
    11:05
    It was. Game of Thrones. Premium. It's funny. When we were down at Rock Fantasy this weekend, Keeler was like, why didn't you keep your Game of Thrones? Well, that sounds like a segue. No, it's not. Yes, it is. We still haven't done news. Oh, we still haven't done news? No. The interesting thing, this is going to be one cool expo as far as reveals, because it was actually inadvertently or on purpose, I don't know, it was announced during the Jersey Jacks open house, which we'll get into, that the Pat Lawler's third game will be at expo. Yeah, so you're going to have Alien, J.J.P., Batman 66, and I'm thinking another game. Probably Aerosmith. I'm thinking that. What else are you going to have out there? Dutch Pinball, I haven't heard anything from that side. Yeah, but there'll probably be some Big Lebowski's there. Yeah, and they'll do some teasers maybe.
    12:09
    But very exciting expo for all you bastards that are going, and I'm going to be stuck at home. Oh, sorry. Did I say that? I'm sorry. Bruce is turning around. He's just like, he's weeping. Well, I'm actually home for once. I'm actually home for the first time. Yes, we're back in our normal locations. I'm looking at the ball bowler right now. I'm looking at the Freedom, not Firewood. And look, there's a blank spot. There's a blank spot. Wait a minute. What's missing?
    12:35
    I can't really. It's a wide body. Oh, is Paragon missing? Nope. Okay. Oh, boy. Let's not do it. Uh, so, oh, FutureFa? Yep. Where is it? It's at Kevin's. Ah. Eventually, they're going to put a Bro, Do You Pinball. And I have decided not to join Bro, Do You Pinball for the third time because I want to keep my perfect 8-0 record. Oh, so you just want to retire undefeated. Undefeated, baby. Okay. Just the way I like it. So I've actually volunteered Zach to be my replacement. Oh, we had to mention him to get the streak back going. So now we're back on two. We're back on two. So I recommended Zach to be in it because Zach kills that game. He really does. Well, wait a minute. He's going to be on camera. He's going to have to talk. Is he going to be okay with that? I don't know about that. I know. We couldn't even get him on the podcast, and that's not even a visual thing. I know. I told him this tonight when he came over, actually. When is this going to be? I don't know yet. Probably a couple weeks. Very good. Because Bruce's games frequently go on tour. Bruce's games are like the rock stars. They're on tour all the time. Plus, I have some rarities, so that's what always helps out also, too. So what else do we have in Z News? What else in Z News?
    13:55
    We talked about the, oh, Spooky's going to bring a game also, supposedly. Shots of maybe ideas and that. But the pricing of Spooky's machine is out. It's going to be 500 games for Spooky. for his third title. I don't think he's really considering Domino's his third title. I think it's just like a side title because he did say it was a third title. Like Past Blue Ribbon, for sure.
    14:23
    Other than that, I didn't see much. Oh, Backglass on Batman 66. Boy, for them talking about having four artists on Coast to Coast Pinball two weeks ago or three weeks ago, didn't that look a lot like a Photoshop job? I didn't think so. I saw it look painted. It did not look like a photo. It looked like a Photoshop crop job to me. I disagree. Go look at it. I did look at it. Go fast. I did look at it. I mean, I thought they even had like Cesar Romero for the Joker. You could kind of see his mustache like you could on the show because he wouldn't shave it. Cesar was good. The penguin was good. The Joker was okay. You can see a little outline, like a crop mark, but the Catwoman is really bad.
    15:11
    It looks like a Photoshop there. Well, we'll see. I'll be seeing it in person, so we'll get some... I guarantee they'll still release the whole thing out before. The back glass, at least.
    15:23
    Because they can't keep a secret under taps, can they? No, they can't. They can't. It's actually pretty slow. It's tough to recover from that Tim podcast. That was... Oh, the Tim podcast was great. We actually had a really, really excellent response from it. Yeah, good response for now. We'll be trying to have some more guests. I'm sure we can get Tim Balls back on again. I think Tim Balls will possibly be like maybe a monthly regular, which I like to hear people's comments on that. We can always have a Tim rant on here. And he enjoyed it. He actually fit right in with us. We go to a lot of tournaments with him, so we actually have a really good time with him. I'm trying to get Mike Smith in for next week. That's going to be, I think, our guest for next week. And Mike Smith is actually opening a shop up in Syracuse, New York, a pinball shop, pinball store, a.k.a. repair, a.k.a. selling pinball machines. And that's going to be in North Syracuse. And his open date is October 1st. So I want to get him in here beforehand. We can get a chat with him and see why he's doing this and how much he loves pinball. because if you're opening a business in a pinball market, you've really got to love it. Yeah, you've really got to love it. I would not want to do it for business because then, to me, it wouldn't be fun anymore at that point. No, true.
    16:44
    Locally, people ask me, why don't you fix games for people? I'm like, no, no, I'm not doing that. I do, unfortunately. Yeah, Bruce does that. Well, you actually have a scene, too. Whose games am I going to fix in my area? If I had a game at my dad's house, maybe. Can you come over and fix it? You have a couple things. Yeah, okay.
    17:05
    But I think that's all for the news. All right. I don't think it was a big news week. There was a couple little things, but more it was tournament weekend last weekend. Oh, man, it was tournament weekend. Well, let's go through them. We'll save the best for last, if you will.
    17:22
    Jersey Jack Pinball had their annual open house. Yes, they did. where they had... It was streamed? Yeah, it was streamed. They didn't have that many games there. No, that was the only... There was long wait times, let's just say. Yeah, and I mean, there was some complaints about, you know, the only Hobbit Wizard of Oz they had was in the tournament area, but I believe the tournament area, the tournament was free. Yes. So, I didn't get a free pizza. I saw a free pizza there. You always see free pizza. Jersey Jack equals free pizza. Yes, it does. Yeah, so they had like a freebie tournament there. And the Buffalo guys, one of the bro guys, Nick Lane, the winner.
    18:03
    I don't know. Other than, I believe it was there that Jersey Jack mentioned, their third game, the one by Pat Lawler, will be at Expo. He actually said it was in the factory. It was like, it's in the back.
    18:16
    That's right. People didn't swarm back there then. Yeah, yeah. That would be interesting. People just shove them out of the way. I need a chance. Then we also had, it was Indiana? Yes. Main Street Mayhem Tournament. Yes. Which was won by Trent Augustine. Hi, Trent.
    18:37
    Because I was wondering why Trent wasn't at this next tournament that I'm going to go over, and it's because he was winning this one. He also had the Northwest Pinball Open. What's the official name? It's like Northwest Pinball. I think it's like Northwest Pinball Championships or something like that. Yeah, that sounds more right. And Robert Gagneau was victorious, won that. I'm trying to remember who the top four were. I just remember he won.
    19:08
    What's his name was fourth? Jim. Jim, that narrows it down. Jim. From InDesk. Jim from InDesk. Again, that narrows it down. Del Cito. Jim Belstein, people are like, what the hell is InDesk?
    19:26
    What is InDesk? It never rains in Southern California. It never drains in Southern California, yes. It's InDesk, which is coming up in January. That's the one we're going to in Banning. I mentioned that on his flight back. He was flying back from Seattle to California again. I said, New York will be representing, and I got a big bull. That's going to be – okay, I didn't realize that was actually going to be during the time we're there. Yes, that is. Cool. I can go in a tournament area and totally ignore the other 400 games. You got it. Exactly. But that's why we are going because we want to represent for New York State. We want to represent the old upstate. Yes. And then finally, finally, there was – Okay, I'm going to go right to the cut, Chase. Ron won. Yes. Ron beat me. We had the Rock Fantasy End of Summer Open. Isn't that the Floating Summer Open? Floating Summer Open. Yes, at Rock Fantasy, the world-famous Rock Fantasy Pinball and Smoke Shop. And Floaty Pinball.
    20:34
    They had a bong there that was – I'm trying to remember what it was. Was it a ghost floating across the screen because that's what the ball is about? No, it might have been like a Ghostbusters bong. It was something that was like recent where I'm there. Oh, okay, he must have just got that in. I just thought that was interesting. It might even have been a Game of Thrones bong. I don't know. But it was won by Jerry Bernard, no surprise. Levy was in second. And then the two tournament organizers were in third and fourth, and Greg Pavarelli and Tim Sexton. Yep. So they know how to play floaty pinballs. But when they came up to my house, I remember none of them making the finals. Okay. Bruce is saying the games are floaty. Oh, fuck are they? Oh. And that why Steve Bowden was there because he was actually playing down below and having fun at Jersey Jack You mean that why he wasn there No that why he was down below at Jersey Jack
    21:35
    I don't know. The Hobbit usually plays pretty floaty. Oh, no, no, no. Not compared to that. Bruce is being very restrained. He was a lot more excitable when we were there. Goddamn. I think you were never going to come back at least two or three times. Now it's totally. Oh, now it's totally, yes. Eric Russell, my friend, who usually we commute down there. And wait a sec. Eric Russell didn't come because, A, he didn't want to drive by himself, and, B, he didn't want to be in a sweatshop.
    22:06
    I thought it was – temperature was very comfortable. Towards the end, it was actually getting very warm. Again, I'm not disagreeing just to disagree. I love that I didn't have to wear my sweater. I never wore a sweater. It was hot. But for those at home, it's kind of like – He didn't come because he was actually grateful, because I think. And then even Jason, who is another upstate player. The problem I have is, oh, now you fucking got me going. There we go. And I will have retorts. Yes, you will. This is like crossfire. Crossfire. We will be talking about rock fantasy. On the left, Bruce. On the right, Ron. Bruce, your time is now. Go. Fucking four hours I drive for fucking floaty games. Not level games. There were two that were not level that I played. There was more than two. That I played. Okay. But there was more than two that were not level. There was barely any breakdowns, of course, except for the one game we played,
    23:07
    the World Cup soccer, which we knew about beforehand. Yeah, that's – well, it didn't break down during the – it's basically you shoot it in the goal, and I believe the goal opto doesn't work. So the striker opto, it will make up for it, but every time you hit the goal, it will basically spot you on the soccer ball. So you can get to multiball pretty easily. It would also do it the other way. If you hit striker, it would give you a goal. Yep. So, yeah. But we all know that. It's the beauty of – I'm sorry.
    23:44
    Keep going. You have the floor. Yes, exactly. So who wants to drive – If these people down below actually drove four hours to my house and my games were in those shapes, they all would be complaining.
    23:59
    They would. Yes, but they wouldn't continuously complain. Bruce has never gone – I'm never going back to Rock Fantasy, at least three or four occasions. Yes, and then everyone convinces me, oh, it's going to be better. Oh, no, no. Here's the thing. It's a fucking dive bomber. Okay. And then you want to pull up, and they're going, no, I like that ground. It looks pretty soft. I'm going to hit it right there. Boom.
    24:28
    It's like if you had a restaurant, right? And you walk in the restaurant, and you have, like, these regulars that are always there. And you come in, and you have a meal, and it's like, this food sucks. It does. And it's like, I'm never coming back. And you leave.
    24:42
    And then a week later, you come back. Four months later, you're driving by. You come back, and it's like, I'm going to need here again. And all the regulars are still there, and you go in there, and it's like, this food still sucks. Still getting the shits from it. It's like, I'm eating this, I'm playing these games, and it makes you a bad player. Then another great thing about this is, tilts? When we play, we don't need tilts. Everyone else there can fucking throw the machine around and bang the heads against each other machine, each side of each machine. When I try to move it, tilt. That's just improper technique. I mean, from what I'm hearing is Bruce cannot adjust to a certain type of tilt. He can't adjust to floaty games. He just can't adjust.
    25:29
    That's the problem. It's part of being a seasoned, awesome tournament player is you have to be able to adjust to these conditions, Bruce. No, the floaty play sucks. Bruce wants everything to play like it's Papa and just be this immaculate thing. Wait a second. If people drove five hours to Papa and it played like those games, you would hear about it so much. Yes, but why? This isn't Papa, though. And why would you think that they're going to be any different? They're never any different. I just expect turd.
    26:04
    Turd. No, no, no. I'm going to the 25 fucking list. I'm going to kindling. 24. Oh, yes, we'll get to that. The turd list. But they're on 24. Oh, yes, yes. Only games that play only somewhat good there are the new ones.
    26:21
    Yes, they have the – I'll tell you, that ACDC, on my ACDC, I can never hit the ramps at all. That ACDC, I can't miss the ramps. I love playing that thing. For whatever reason, I just can't miss the ramps on that. But, I mean, you know, it's – there's just – they don't have any full-time tech. There's no way they're going to be able to – as long as the – The flippers are strong enough to hit everything. And it's the same thing every time you're there. I don't have as much a problem with it as Bruce, yes. But for me, it's also only an hour and 40-minute drive. If I had to drive three and a half hours, I probably wouldn't go. But then again, even if they were nice, I probably wouldn't go because at this point, three and a half hours is just too late. This is why they're not getting so many people. Buffalo people now will not go down there because they've heard about it from Buffalo players who've gone there.
    27:09
    Rochester people don't go down there now. So you're really limiting yourself to your tournament base.
    27:14
    Yeah, but you get the Orange County guys and the New York City guys. They go, and it's fine. Was there any problem with the amount of people there? There was a lot of people there. There was 30 people. There was more last year, though.
    27:27
    I'm just saying, there was more last year. Well, maybe they were all at the Jersey Jack show, you know. Maybe, because Steve Bowden was there. Smart guy. Yeah, he's in with JJP, man. He wears their hat everywhere. Smart guy. Yeah. I wish I drove another two hours.
    27:46
    Actually, I would have, honestly, if I was going to do, if I was doing the JJP thing, I would have done what I did last time. I would have went there for like, I don't know, a half hour left and went to the Silver Ball Museum the rest of the day. That's what I, especially at this time, I believe the parking has probably gotten out off season, so you can actually park somewhere without getting reamed in the ass with the parking rates. I would have definitely liked that better. Guess what? If you fix the games, more people will come in there. Yeah. There's just – no one has a tech. He doesn't have a tech. He's not going to be able to pay anyone to be a tech. You want to pay and find a tech. Yeah. It's just – You got to pay for a tech. Yeah. But the thing is, you know, he – for the – it's a smoke shop, and he might get one person a day that goes in that area to play anything. That's his choice. That's totally his choice. But then don't complain when people don't come down. Well, yeah. And when he opens up saying, hey, come on, everyone, come on down, and people don't. At least we know that one that won't and one that will. And they're both on this podcast. Guess what? I don't need the New York State points. Ah, yes, yes. I don't need them because guess what? I don't want to – guess what? I'd rather have a whole weekend at home doing fun stuff on my machines or on somebody. I would actually donate my time to somebody else fixing their machines.
    29:04
    Okay. But if you're near the Rock Fantasy, I check it out. It is a pretty damn neat place. So I'll just leave it at that as Bruce is shaking his head.
    29:15
    So let's get on to your list. My list? Boy, I can go a lot of games on that list, and it's all on the back side. We said last week that we were going to, because we were short on time with Tim Air on the broadcast, and we were going to get to the... I will say one thing. The tournament was run fine down there. Oh, yeah. The tournament was run fine. We didn't say where we ended up. What place? They did, like, the top 12 were in A, and then under that were in B. So I believe you were in B. Yeah. I ended up – well, here's the funny thing. This is at least mildly entertaining. We're in the last round, and we know it's the last round because they had a thing. to play as many rounds as they could up to a certain time. So we're in the last round, and as of this point, I'm in near the bottom.
    30:09
    And we're playing Adams family. And I'm on my last ball. I'm player four. And literally all I need to do is hit the skill shot, and I get second, and I'm going to be in.
    30:24
    So I missed the skill shot, land short, and the kick out goes almost right down the middle just off the tip of my flipper can't get it, end up tilting which didn't matter because I had no bonus anyway so I end up in a four way tie for the last twelfth spot so they have the this is all like matchplay.events they were using the software, so it randomly picks a game for the tiebreaker and it randomly picks Adam's Family again So, and I end up getting, I get $100 million kicked ass and didn't have to play my last ball. Ended up winning. Well, that's how you get it in style. And then I made it all the way to fifth place. Okay. Where I get nothing.
    31:15
    Yep. I don't think, Captain Ball Search, I am changing my name. I am now officially Mr. Fifth Place. Yes. Because if top four are going to cash out, I will be in fifth place. and get it. No, you're just one out of the cache. Yes. Yeah, okay. I'm Mr. Not. I'm the opposite of what Steve Bowne says. Always be caching. I'm never caching. There you go. Never caching. Thank you. And I don't even care where I fucking finish because I didn't even think about it.
    31:43
    It was funny, folks. You had to be there. I'm never coming back here. Nope. Everyone thought Bruce left before the Beads stuff finals or whatever started. And then Bruce is back like, oh, I'm playing. Well, I got pizza. The only reason why I got there because Jason bought pizza. And then as soon as you lost it, it's like, I'm done. I'm never coming back. Good on you.
    32:04
    I even plunged the third ball. Good. Done. Okay, so let's get on to the awesome list. Yeah. Do we want to start from the top or the bottom? No, we're starting from the bottom. Start from the bottom. Most of the games we just talked about are in the bottom half. Oh, no. Okay. Let's start. 25th, hate it.
    32:29
    99% of the games. Okay. 24, kindling, a.k.a. firewood. 23, turd. Turd, okay. 22, polished turd. Okay. 21, which is Jim's personal spot, highly polished turd. One of our listeners, Jim, has a highly polished turd, okay? Yes. Number 20. Most Gottlieb System Ones. Ooh. Ooh, wait a minute now. Wait a minute. Joker, poker, countdown. One.
    33:08
    Wait a minute. Most System Ones suck. I just named two awesome ones right there. Okay. I can name a lot of bad ones. Buck Rogers. Yeah. Toten. Yeah. Close Encounters. Close Encounters the third time.
    33:24
    007. uh let's keep on going down the list there's a lot of fucking turds wait but double you mean double what's double seven james bond i thought that was like an 80 no it's the last system one oh i think it's the last but you're you're seeing how bad they are yeah yeah you're right those are pretty bad okay continue okay number 19 most premier games wow okay shoot the pyramid the So we call that the Shoot the Pyramid. You should just call that Shoot the Pyramid. Or Barbed Wire. Or Frank Thomas Big Hurt. Yep. Or, well, some I do like. I actually like Gladiators. And I actually like... Gladiators is bad. I like Teed Off. But Street Fighter? No, no. Yeah. Okay, continue.
    34:17
    Number 18. Most Sega games. Okay. Let's just put down an entire bunch of games. So that would be like Frankenstein, Space Jam, Lost World, Jurassic Park, which Tim mentioned last week.
    34:35
    Twister. You've got a lot of twirds there. All right. Okay, number 17. I am conceding playing this game.
    34:44
    That you have played it? No, no. When you walk up to the game, say that one person you said, if this game was in the tournament, I just give up and not play it. Okay. I am conceding playing this game. No, I'm done. Okay. So? Number 16. Do I really have to put my money in it? Okay.
    35:08
    What was 17 again? That was the I concede playing this game. Oh, okay. Okay. All right. Number 15. game on location oh my and look a playfield i can't even see okay it's either so okay so dark or so burnt out okay well to go along with that story i i always remember one of the first times i went with you to california extreme when we actually had a rental car before we were using our brains and doing public transportation and paying next to nothing i wanted to bring him to the boardwalk yes went to the santa cruz boardwalk which is a big And this was in probably 2007 or 2008.
    35:54
    And walk in there and have a family guy. And the family guy couldn't have been there more than a couple months because the family guy was just out at that point. So it was probably 2007.
    36:03
    Yeah, actually it would have been because it was at the Rochester Game Show, which I think was in the spring or March or whatever it was. So, yeah. So this game is like three, maybe three months old. I could barely see the artwork. I had never in my life seen a game that dirty. Yeah, the dirt protects the play field. The dirt protects the play field, and that was the most protected play field ever.
    36:24
    Yep. So that's number 15. Number 14, it's really broken. So it's a good game, but it's really broken.
    36:33
    Like a dead flipper, maybe, you know, say like the thing – or a ball is missing, you know, that kind of thing. It really just like, ah, you know, it could be an attack from Mars and missing a ball. Okay.
    36:48
    And then we go to number 13, which is so-so. So-so. So those are the 13 and 12 turds. Okay. And. Okay. I'm looking forward to the, you know, we're just being so negative here. Lots of negativity in this show. Oh, there's been a lot of negativity. It's time to be positive. Let's start.
    37:08
    Yeah, you can keep on starting. Oh, come on. Number 12. I guess positiveness is just the ratings aren't there. You got me going. That was your own fault. That was my own fault. I would have totally not said anything, but you got me going. Nope, I haven't brought it up. If you notice, I didn't bring it up on any of the things. No, no. But you stated your position, and I stated my counterpoint. Which did not win at all. Well, our listeners can decide that. So if anyone wants to post on our Facebook page or send us an email on who won that Crossfire segment. We got the most emails this week. Yes, we did. All right. Now let's get to the better games. So now if I was on. The 12 goodness of pinball. So if I'm on pin side, this is basically all Bally Williams and new Stern games.
    38:02
    Right. Fuck, I got to go. See you later, guys. Bye. Because if I read Pinside, that's just all the good games are these. Well, I've got to get to this Pinside thing. I never read anything else. Oh, yeah, you should try it. But what you really want to do, there's a much better forum called Tilt Forums. It's more about pinball. And if you really want to get good, then you go to the Wreck Games pinball, like the granddaddy of them all. I'm still there. Where, you know, everyone used to hang out. Okay, what do we got? Number 12, Good Game Broken.
    38:33
    Good Game Broken. Okay, so this is like an attack from Mars that's broken as opposed to a working Close Encounters of the Third Kind. Yes, or it's like one of the few games that actually worked at the place we were at last week, Viking. It's a good game, but it could use a little tweaks. All right. That's a good comparison. Number 11, I think this is one of the most best feelings in the whole wide world, free credit game. When you walk up to a pay-in seat, the blinking. Yes, the blinking credit. Yes, yes. Or if you're in the know, like the credit light on the apron that's on. That's an older game. That's even better. Yes. But you see that, or you see on the display one credit. That's a good thing. That's number 11.
    39:25
    So number 10, half the sterns out there. Half the sterns. So you're saying the sterns are good. Half the sterns are good. Half the sterns. So does this include Sharky's Revenge? I actually like Sharky's Revenge. Okay, and this includes High Roller Casino, which you like for some reason? I like High Roller Casino. You're high, dude. That game sucks. It's fucking fun. It's keep the rules. Keep the rules. Yeah, you hit a shot. Again, poor Keith Johnson is saddled with a horrible play field. And makes it work. Oh, no. You hit a shot and you just sit forever and wait for crap to happen. I hate that. Wait a minute, you're Mr. Anti-Stop-and-Go. I can't think of a more stop-and-go game. You hit a shot and you sit there and just wait for crap to happen. Twilight Zone is definitely worse. Oh, Jesus. Okay, number nine.
    40:15
    Most 90s Williams. Ah, yes, yes. That's nine. What does that tell you? That's nine. Yes. Well, that tells me, so Popeye, okay.
    40:28
    No. Judge Red. Actually, I got into Judge Dredd. It's still too easy. Too easy? I guess it depends. I was playing the one at Pocketeer where the ramp was taped together and it would just fly off at the end. Eric's got a home use only one at his house, so if you come out to Eric's tournaments eventually, he's got a nice one. Did he add that?
    40:49
    It's one of the guys he knows, but he's storing it for him. Okay, okay. So it plays really nice, and he actually got all the way to both wizard modes. I love the music. No, no. You have to add a little anthrax in there. Oh, okay. I am Lord. You will fuck around no more. Okay. Okay, number eight.
    41:14
    Early valleys. Oh, just early valleys. They just get their own place. All the good early valleys. Come to me, baby. Oh, okay. Bring me your paragons. Bring me your poor, your tired, your huddled valleys waiting to breathe free and drain your ass. Yes. Okay. Back when pinball machines were made for pinball players, they weren't meant to be easy. They were meant for real players. Yes. Number seven, bring me your early sterns. Whoa. So early sterns get above the ballys? The reason why is speed. Because speed is important in a pinball machine. If you're Bruce, speed is important. Yes. So, okay. So they get the nine because they're faster. Okay. They are faster. You realize they're faster because they're all cheaper, lighter parts that break more. Of course. Yes. Which I did win an auction this week. What? We'll go into that a little later on. Oh, okay. Okay. I'm building up my stern parts. Oh, okay.
    42:14
    We've got to hit him. Okay. Number six, when you travel for a game, and it's a great place to go travel for a game, a.k.a. anywhere like New Hampshire. Great arcade to go to. So Massachusetts, another great arcade to go to. You can name them off. The Wizards is in New Hampshire. I'm confused with this one. So you're just saying basically you go to pick up a game and it's – If you travel all the way to a place and you get a great arcade. What happens if the game you went to travel for sucked? Well, there's so many other games though. These are the good places you go. Like, you know, say you went to – when it was really good up in Laconia where we used to go at the one time. what the arcade pinball place that we went to that one time in the summer What Fun Spot Fun Spot They used to have great pinball back then Yeah well yeah But that's the kind of thing. You go into a place and you're like, wow, there's freaking 50 pinball machines here, and there's video games and everything like that. What a great time. All right. So, okay, these levels are more, they're not, like, game-specific. They're more, like, experience-specific. Experience, yes. Okay.
    43:21
    Next. if you're in a league and you're going to league, it's like, I'm going to league. I'm going to enjoy myself. I'm going to have a great time.
    43:30
    That's number five. That was the lamest one, I will say. Number four. Must play more and more of the same game. So, Stars.
    43:41
    Of course. When I went to Ron's the past two times recording at his house, how many credits did we go through on Stars? Well, the funny part was we went through them all and we got the last game. Okay, last game. And then 20 games later, I think we finally had the last game. I think we played until we both got six figures, which took that long. That's very rare.
    44:02
    Number three, a kick-ass fucking pinball machine game. When you get a kick-ass score and you are in the go, you're doing great. In the matrix, if you will. In the matrix, in the zone. In the zone. so those are you know like aka like attack from mars aka you know other great games that you know you just want to you're like yes look at this i fucking got rule the universe look at this i got you know got mass hysteria or you got or you got a vacation jackpot that's vacation jackpot or if You get the exclusive Valinor. You get even the Simpsons, you know, all six wizard modes, which I've only ever gotten three, max.
    44:53
    Number two. I'm going to ask people this also. Number two, your Desert Island pin. That is the second best thing ever. I will see. I know what mine is. Well, Whitewater, because I need water. You got it. Whitewater is mine also. Oh, really? So the chances of me getting that off you are just not happening. I knew. Okay. That is my – actually, now you think about it, how many good games I have. Attack, Medieval.
    45:20
    I still go back to 1992. Whitewater. Because it's so hard to get Vacation Jackpot. 5X times – it is a little unbalanced scoring, but it's a great game. Actually – It's a good kind of unbalanced scoring. I actually like it not going for Jackpots sometimes. Because guess what? If you don't have the jackpots going and you accidentally get the 5X, if you are up higher in the rafts, you can really crush it.
    45:46
    Because if you finish a ramp level, you can get the $60-70 million. I think the best part is when my father was playing at one of your tournaments and he got the 5X and started hitting jackpots. He had no idea what he was doing. That's what made it beautiful. It just destroyed it. That was great. Now, are you ready for number one? Okay. If Desert Island is number two, what the hell is number one? Holy Grail. The Holy Grail. So you're talking your Big Bang Bar. You're talking Kingpin. You're talking Loch Ness Monster. So it has to be rare? It has to be rare. It is the Holy Grail. You can think about it. I would argue everyone has their Holy Grail. No, everyone has their Desert Ireland pin. Not many people have the Holy Grail. So you're saying it's the thing that's going to be hard to attain. Yeah, like the Super L.E. in Batman. Ah, yes, yes, yes. That's your holy grail. The super holy grail. But you can't buy it for at least 18 months if you don't get it anyway. Yes, yes, yes, yes. I think I was actually just listening to Coast to Coast Pinball. This is Nate. This is a guy that was going to work for Stern. Yes. And even he said, like, yeah, that wasn't very well thought out. That whole application thing was like – I don't believe people were busting his chops saying, why don't you ask the hard questions? Give me a fucking break. What do you want him to do? Get him on and then say like, what's with the ghosting play fields? What are you going to do about it? He's totally right, and I was sitting there smiling. You know what happens then, George Gomez says, interview over. Goodbye. It's over. Click bye. Never call me again. You'll never get an interview, asshole. I know. I think, I swear to God, some people, they think you're like an investigative reporter. Nate is not an investigative reporter. He loves the hobby. He's doing what he wants to do, which, okay, what we do also. We love the hobby and we love to do what we do. We're not in it for money.
    47:46
    We're just here to talk about pinball and have a great time and hopefully get some people to listen and enjoy the same things we do. Or even complain about some of the things we complain about. God, I hope so. Well, since I have the podcast, I'm going to use this as the avenue to beg Gary Stern, clearly a patriot, a hero, one of the greatest human beings, more than a man, a god, to please, please accept this as my application for a super-L.E. Batman. Man, I know I've never seen the game, but I'm sure because it's Stern and their track record with such great games as NBA and Big Buck Hunter that this game will be just incredibly awesome. I have no doubt it will be just awesome. And Bruce is giving me the look here. Yes, it will be. I just feel privileged to just be considered.
    48:43
    I have one more question. What? $15,000? Of course I do. I'm rich. Oh, you're rich beyond your wildest dreams? Yes. That means if you have checks, you got money.
    48:56
    See, in all honesty, my days of new and boxed turns are over. No, they're not. Financially, for me. No, they're not. Yes, they are. You got more coming. Well, yes. Yes, because I won it. Okay, my days of purchased new and boxed games. That's not true. Yeah, it's true. Because truth be told, before – If Iron Maiden comes out, I would be there. I'm sorry. When what comes out? Iron Maiden. Oh, Iron Maiden. Well, how about when ELO comes out? They will never make that, but that would be a kick-ass pimple. Okay. I did see them finally, guys. I did see them for the first time. Hopefully not the last, but I did get to see them at Radio City Music Hall this Sunday. Yes, folks. ELO is Bruce's favorite band. See Me Dancing. Yes. A pinball place and a pinball tournament. That's why I got the Best Dancer Award from Buffalo Pinball this year. I'm even bringing – hold on. I'm going to grab the trophy right now. So, yes. So ELO and KISS. No. KISS is like third or fourth. Well, wait a minute. They're third or fourth. Well, who's second? Oh, if I tell you, I have to kill you. Oh, wait a minute. Okay. So it's even more crazy than ELO? Oh, yeah.
    50:10
    Is it someone anyone's heard of? Oh, yeah. Okay. Actually, the only person that probably knows about it more is probably Keillor, the person who owns.
    50:22
    Oh, Rolling Stones? No, no. God, no. Nugent? No. No games. Oh, no games. I asked him if he had these albums, and his face did a double turn. Like, huh? David Cassidy? No. No? Oh, come on. Family, baby. Hmm? Hartridge family. Okay. So who is it? Come on. Luke Newton John, baby. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's number two. I actually have a co-worker that is one of his favorite artists. Yes, and I will have to say my wife's got me big into Bee Gees. Well, yes. I mean, clearly, yes. I am a child of the 70s and 80s. Yes. So when poor Ron had to drive with me out and back and forth to Buffalo pinball tournament. We listened to Yacht Rock. I'm driving along in the country smelling liquid shit. Liquid shit. They never told the liquid shit story. Yes, yes. When we were going to the Pocketeer Tournament, we're driving back and forth from Rochester, Buffalo. We're driving past, like, farmland, and I see this vehicle, and it's just pouring out this brown liquid. And it's a big tanker truck. It's like a big oil tanker truck. And as we pass it, you can smell the liquid shit. Is that what I think it is? And then the smell hit you. It was like, holy crap, that shit coming out of that thing. Yes, holy shit, that shit. It's liquid shit. It was liquid shit. It's purified liquid shit. Only the best. Only the best for us. It was a cornfield, wasn't it? It was a cornfield. Enjoy your corn, folks.
    52:03
    Fertilize with the best in liquid shit. Yes. So we were driving back and forth, and poor Ron got to hear Yacht Rock all back and forth twice. What channel did you call it?
    52:16
    What channel? Oh, well, it was the all – what's his face? Oh, crap. Oh, the all Mike McDonald stage. You got it. Because either he was the lead or a background singer in almost every other song they played. And they played like the same – like we were listening to it each day. And we'd hear the same five songs over and over and over. No, not five. Yes, yes, we heard the same multiple songs over and over and over. Okay, so that's interesting. That's interesting. We go over, like, our embarrassing artists lists. I don't care. I'm not embarrassed at all. You know, ones that would be, oh, really, you'd like that? But I would definitely get an Iron Maiden. Iron Maiden's my favorite rock band from the early 80s, mid-80s, except for Metallica, which I have. So Iron Maiden I've seen four or five times. If they made an Iron Maiden pin with an Eddie on it, fuck yeah. Well, someone's making it because that was – because someone asked their licensing. It's like, no, that's already – someone else is already making a pinball machine. So somebody has it, whether it's CERN or whoever. I think at Highway. I can see Highway doing that. Well, they are in England, and Iron Maiden are – well, are they a British band? They're a British singer. Yes, they are. And a licensed pilot pilot. Yes, he is. Who flies the Eddie 2 or Eddie 1 or whatever the hell it is. their custom plane. He actually was a pilot for an airline also. Yes, that is true. So I would trust him to be flying me around. Hell fucking yeah.
    53:45
    All right. So that's the list. So let's just get in quickly to the next segment here. What's yours? What's my what? What's your top bands? Well, ACDC. Okay. Of course.
    53:59
    Well, if I get into ones, okay, more obscure ones. I, too, have Magic, the greatest hits of Olivia Newton-John. That is in my possession.
    54:09
    Bee Gees. I love Bee Gees. I have the greatest hits album. I have vinyl from them. I have, like, their greatest hits album from, like, 1979. Anyone remember? It's like a triple fold-out album with all three members on it.
    54:23
    I have – oh, Bruce is going to show me something. Oh, boy. I have the – one of my prized possessions, my ultimate Manilow. I've listened to that many times.
    54:36
    I guess those would be the embarrassing songs. And what has Bruce got? Oh, Xanadu. Bruce has the Xanadu album, yes. Which I would say Xanadu by far has the most – the suckiest movie to biggest soundtrack ratio ever. I can't think of anything that comes close. It had Xanadu itself, magic, and suddenly. And I'm alive. Yeah. At least three of those were monster hits. And the movie totally bombed.
    55:13
    I'm going to check right now. Yes. Scintillating, folks. This is all about pinball. When they make the Olivia and John pinball, it's going to be incredible. You try to find her missing husband, was it? And then they found him. because I remember her husband or boyfriend went out of like missing and then they just found him like he was living in some other country. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
    55:35
    So let's see. They actually had seven, one, two, three, sorry, six top 40 hits off that album. Yes. And the movie sucked. No, it doesn't. It's great. I will say that. Oh, I feel sorry. Poor Gene Kelly. I think it was his last movie. That was not a good way to go on. No, listen, there was one or two more after that. Oh, he did one or two more? They probably sucked, too. Okay. Now, here's an arcade reference to that. The guy who did the animation?
    56:09
    Don Bluth. Oh, what, in the movie? Yep. Okay, Don Bluth, who is a Disney animator and also did Dragon's Lair. The moniker of one said Bruce Nightingale. Thank you very much. Bruce is actually the Space Ace. He is... That's probably your best voice impersonation. That's obscure. The guy in Space Ace. What's his name? Dexter. Okay, Kimmy. Yep.
    56:37
    Okay, so this week's Games to Like, Games to Hate. I'm not even fucking prepared. Okay, he's not prepared, which I'm usually the one never prepared. So I'll go first. You start first. I'll go first. Games I like. even though I find it a little too easy at times, but I just, something about it, I always liked it. Sorcerer, an early Mark Ritchie design, an early game with a ramp, back when, you know, we have a ramp on the game, and very cool artwork, and it's got the cool, like it's got these two eyes in the back of the play field that got flashers behind them. Pretty cool effect. and Game I Hate. Well, we're going to Gottlieb Land again. Freddy, Nightmare on Elm Street. I played that in a tournament. We played that at the New York State tournament before the Super League came along, so we couldn't get in anymore.
    57:38
    The one at Jack Bar? Yes. Yeah, I played that, and that game sucked. That thing was a turd. And more bizarre rules. We have no clue what you're doing. and that's that's mine that's mine for this week okay my turd going turd first rescue 9-1-1 oh i mentioned that last week the the wonderful ball locking effect when you watch it for the 10th time in a row you don't get tired of it oh god i just want to shoot myself right in the cock oh that's playing at the other place oh that's right hey no it's just it just does nothing for I mean, most premieres suck. That just added to the freaking kindling.
    58:18
    It is Firewood. The only thing they're good for is boards for two other games. Okay, and I won't ask you what they are because we'll need those for future lists. No, I already mentioned one.
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    Oh, lights, camera, action. You got it. Okay. And the one you like. We're going to do the spreadsheet you said you were going to do so we don't keep mentioning the same games. I have it all up here, baby. Oh, Bruce has it all up here. Okay, so he'll remember 100 episodes in if I pick something.
    58:45
    Okay. You know it. Okay, so. And now the game I like. You can't own it, so don't even look behind you. I'm not even looking behind. I'm not even looking. Oh, it's going to suck because I.
    58:58
    Space Invaders. No. I don't own it because there's a reason for that. What do I like? God, it's going to be a few seconds.
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    What did I play last week that I actually. I'm actually going to go with one that's a little weird My dad owns it, so I can get away from this one Creature from the Black Lagoon Okay It's hard It's only a two ball multi ball Which I actually like on that game It's a little controllable, but boy You get to reshoot The lock For the If you do drain in between your multi ball Trying for it Super jackpots are really nice Increasing the super jackpot value is really nice it's just a good, fun game, and you can build some points up on it really nicely. Now, doesn't it have, like, it's two-ball, multi-ball, but it actually takes three balls, right? Is there something weird like that? Like, it actually has three balls and a trough, but it only uses two balls. It only uses two, yes. Yeah, I remember something weird like that. Yes. Okay. And I like where you, you know, how to get the super jackpot. You've got to hit it up to the pop bumpers and get your amount of pop bumpers. Really, it's a fun game. All right. You know, it's underrated a little bit. Underrated. But I like it. I don't know if it's underrated. They use that in tournaments a lot. I remember at Papa, they used to have that in the finals bank almost every year. Until when? Until they started abusing it and using it. Well, yeah. Well, until Keith Elwin just destroyed it beyond all comprehension, then he just moved on. Yes. Totally. Okay. For another one of our normal features. Oh, God. You're really making me fucking up. Oh, no. Oh, man. I'm finally prepared. Usually, I'm not, and Bruce is the prepared one. Maybe one day we'll both be prepared. What a concept. Well, the problem was I was car shopping tonight. Yes, he was car shopping. So, useful. Okay. Play field features we'd like to see. Yes, back or rules or anything else. I have a simple one.
    60:51
    I don't think I used this one yet. A useful pop bumper. What I mean by that is, like, especially on the newer games, usually they'll have, like, we'll have the three pop bumpers, usually up near the top, and they don't really, It just goes in there. And what does it really do? Nothing. Other than it might come out and drain you.
    61:14
    Or put a pop-up or like, you know, right next to you, like say Paragon. It's to drain you. But how about a pop-up or that you can use as a tool?
    61:27
    And again, I bring this up. I bring this up because of games like Stars. Spanish Eyes. Spanish ice. You can. Okay. That's a great one, actually, in Old Chicago. Nineball. Yep, Old Chicago. Where basically you use the pop bumper to hit other things. Yes, or into a saucer or into something else. Yes, great. Nineball might have the most I can think of, because literally with one pop bumper, you can hit two target banks, a dead bumper that spots you targets, the other drop target thingy that's around the roundabout there. It's like a target, yeah. Like a little target, yes. And lock a ball. That's literally five different things you can use that as a tool to help you. Use a tool. Because now the games just have the stupid three pop bumpers. They're always at the top.
    62:24
    And they're all next to each other. And you just go in there and it builds some kind of feature. You know, super this or the new thing Stern's doing where they like, it's like a slot machine where they change and when they match something, then you get whatever that is. Yeah. Which they use that on Ghostbusters.
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    That game was thrash. Yeah. So, just a more useful pop-up that's not meant to either just bore you or drain you. No, I can go with that. That's a good one. That's my one. I like that one. I'm going back to 2007-2006, the game you mentioned tonight. Okay. NBA? No, that's later. That was later, yes. What game did you talk about that was really dirty? Family Guy.
    63:08
    In between the two flippers. Pop-up save. Oh, yeah. We haven't seen that since then. Yeah, we haven't seen that since then, yep. And it was great on some of the older ballets, a.k.a. Power Play. Everyone loved a good Power Play. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you know, they're, yeah. Well, the good thing about the Family Guy one is if you had it set up right, when you let it sit there, you could hit – if I remember, you could hit like the right orbit and you could hit the – I think it was the Chris shot. It would actually – when it was just settled, it would just hit it perfectly. Yeah, it was like a nice guide.
    63:47
    Which, you know, the Family Guy I sold, I was at the guy's house actually recently because he had cleaned up his game room and I went over there and played stuff. Guess what game I didn't play? Out of all the games he had, what was the one game I didn't play? Family Guy. The Family Guy.
    64:03
    And that wasn't by surprise. I realized that when I left. It's like, you know, that's the one game I didn't play. That is funny. I guess I made the right decision selling it. You did because you weren't into it anymore. Yeah, you got to like what you like. So as far as Ghostbusters, I'm going to wait until the end of this week and probably sometime next week I will email the distributor again and see what's going on. Harass people. I like that Good job Not necessarily harassment I mean I in no hurry To me the later in the production run probably the better at this point with all the other issues Stern has had So, yeah, hopefully next week we'll have – I'm going to try to talk to Mike this week about his new shop opening up with Wizards Pinball. But we've got to pay some bills soon, don't we? Are we going to go with – I actually did a little bit of Centaur. A little bit of Centaur. You did him? A little bit of centaur, because that was fine. All right. A little bit of centaur. What did you do to centaur? Is that game ever going to be done? That should be, like, our gimmick, like, a year from now. Like, 200 episodes in, we're still saying, well, I worked on the centaur again.
    65:07
    Like, it'll be the game that's never done. Well, he's got it in the workbench area. He still has the incorrect red translucent flippers on there, but that's okay. Fuck you. That's okay. I mean, it's not Medusa, so I don't know why they're there. All the plastics, right? What was that? All the plastics are on right. Yes, they are. Oh, what did you do with the, if I remember, it was the hole. The incorrectly drilled hole was the problem. Well, I measured it compared to this play field, those two play fields. These are spare Centaur play fields, folks. He has three of them? Three. Three spare play fields just to make one good new one. Okay. And when I did that, I measured, and they didn't drill the one hole wrong, the top one for the – they drilled the dimpling of three other ones.
    66:02
    That wrong? They dimpled them wrong. They dimpled the left in-lane, out-lane holes, both of them wrong, and they dimpled another one wrong. So I had to move those. Luckily, they're covered by big, fat, round posts. I redrilled them, and now they are exactly where the factories are, and the gap is better.
    66:21
    That's good. So we just got to replace two switches on Centaur, and guess what's going to happen in November 12th at the tournament that you're going to miss? Oh, yes. There's going to be a – well, let's talk about that. There's going to be – is it still called the Finger – Finger Lakes Open. So it'll be the Finger Lakes Open at Chateau Nightingale. You get to get the fingered at the Lakes Open. Yes, and Bruce, remember one of our earlier podcasts. Game, name for your arcade. Do you have a name yet? Nope. Come on, come on. How about you get fingered at my lake? No, no.
    66:59
    Ballywood, Ballyland? Yeah, which, Bally, I like Ballywood. Ballywood! I like Ballywood. Ballywood better, yes. I like Ballywood and Ballyland, and my wife actually wants me to get a tattoo. What do you think, on my upper right arm, Bally? No, please don't do that. No, no. You know, I like Steve Ritchie and all, but I'm not getting a tattoo of, like, the Black Knight on my arm or anything. No, you get on the back like that one guy did, the whole back glass on his back. Yeah, that was the Black Knight. I believe he's on pin side. He is the Black Knight. Yeah. Yep. I wouldn't have the patience for that. No, no. But we need a name for my arcade. But November 12th, this is the first telling of people. November 12th, we're going to have golf, pin golf at my house with good money. Hopefully, it'll be $20 a join per person. We're going to cap the people at 40.
    67:57
    40 only. So there'll be no ifs, ands, or buts. The sales will be going on in a couple weeks once the flyer's out. Flyer, hopefully, Kevin will get them this week. So, hi, Kevin. I know you're listening. He does listen every Thursday. He usually emails me or calls me. Okay, okay. So podcasts support each other. I like that podcast support. Yep, I do listen. And as I said, I watched last night on the Twitch feed for the Hobbit that they ran. So good job, Kevin. So you're running a golf tournament. I am running a golf tournament. 18 holes, 18 different games you are guaranteed to be played. Now, is this a deal? Is there a playoff afterwards, or is it just the ATL? There will be a playoff. Nope. There will be a playoff. Right now, I think it's going to be the top 12, but it might go to 16. It all depends on – and then we'll figure out who gets buys and everything like that. Or maybe it will go to 20 since we're capping off at 40. But it all depends on how many people play. And if I remember, typically in the past, these actually did get done on time. Yes, we do pretty good. The golf format is pretty conducive to getting done quicker. It is. If you get the target score, you're done. Yeah, you're done. You move on to the next game. I guess it all depends on how crazy your target score is or not crazy. I just got bad news from Eric. Uh-oh. He was looking at a – what's that website you talk about all the time? This is Eric Russell from Syracuse. He was looking at that – oh, side pin – side pin? Pinside. Which pin? Pinside. Oh, Pinside. Pinside, yes. He was looking there. And he saw a Lord of the Rings in Rochester. He thought I knew the guy. And he just emailed me back saying already had a deposit from someone else. He'll contact me if fell through.
    69:49
    Sorry, how much was this Ring of the Lord, Lord of the Rings? It was a home use only for 54. Okay.
    69:58
    So, yes. So that will be my tournament coming up. It will be November 12th. and you will only see half of the Slam Tilt podcast.
    70:08
    Yes, yes, you will win. No, I will not win. Yes. Because I have to beat you to win. Oh, that's right. The only way to win is not to play or something. Yeah, that's definitely the motto in one place.
    70:23
    All right, all right. So let's face the bills. Okay, this Thursday in central New York, There is the, getting to it right now, Syracuse Pinheads is doing the, give me right now, I'm going to move it, the Strong Hearts Silver Pinball Tournament at Cloud City Comics and Toys this Thursday from 4.30 to 8.30 p.m.
    70:50
    He's got, I think, six or seven pins now there. Papa points, IFPA points are up and ready to rock. Also going on right now is the Central New York Selfie League. There's also a Buffalo Selfie League, and there's also Knox Amusements Selfie League that is actually in Rochester. Support all three selfie leagues. At the end of the month, you will get a new batch of selfie league games, but definitely support each group of Buffalo Pinball, Knox Amusements Pinball, and Central New York League location. They're all up on Facebook, so definitely check them out. September 30th, October 1st, York Pinball comes by. Say hi to half of Slam Tilt Podcast.
    71:34
    If you mention the Slam Tilt Podcast, if you're purchasing something, you get 5% off our deep, low prices, show prices. So save a little bit more money.
    71:44
    Come on out and say hi and buy something from me. We'll have helpers, lifters, tilters, all your fun stuff. You can check out all our products at www.pinballlifter.com.
    71:56
    Yes, yes. And then October 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th is the Chicago Pinball Expo. Yes, it is. Which, coming to fruition, as I said earlier when I was talking about their registration, like registering for the show, where last year you could actually do it electronically via PayPal payment. And they had a little note on it this year that PayPal payments will be accepted soon. Please be patient. And I think I stated that it will probably never happen. Well, guess what? It changed. They just removed that part. Oh, they did? It doesn't even say please be patient, PayPal. Nope. Just got PDF applications. You just got to print them out, fill them out, and send your check in if you want to prepay.
    72:43
    Yes. and they cashed my check. So you're in. I'm in. Yes, I'm in. Don't forget also, we'll start talking about it, the 24-hour battle. Even though it's all sold out, you might be able to get on the list for the Sanctum. They're high. That's November 4th through the 6th. I will never go again. That's insane. I like the guys. They're great. Me and Jim were actually talking this week about diesels. Not going to happen to me. No, no. It's not good for your health, folks. It's not good for your health. There does come a point where you get sick of pinball. Believe it or not, it does happen. It does, and that was one. Yes, yes. Greg Pavarelli is also doing a Pioneer Fall Knockout on Sunday, October 9th, at the Pioneer Bar in New York City from 3 to 10 p.m. Unfortunately, way too late for me. Match play knockout, $150 in singles, a mystery bag of quarters, and two Ghostbuster Translites to win. Eight machines are there, including the Walking Dead LE, Game of Thrones LE, Kiss, Whitewater, Monster Bash, Ghostbusters, Metallica, and Star Trek. 32 players. It's capped at $20 buy-in. Go play. That's what I say. IFPA points? IFPA points. Oh, my God. You've got to have an IFPA point. And they're always maxed out. That's one good thing about my tournament also, too, Finger Lakes. You will get full TGP. Now, what is TGP, Ron? Please explain that to the folks. You know, I should be able to explain that because at least according to one of our listeners, he said, like, I sound like Josh Sharp at times. I don't know what that means. What does that mean? Do I sound like him? I need more clarification. Does my voice sound like him? Do I talk like him? I don't get it. You have the same style of talking, which is not bad. The same style of talking. All right. And the accent, too. Maybe you grew up in Chicago. Well, no. And actually, he's younger than me. So he ripped me off. I'm suing. Oh, that's got to be it. He took my gimmick. Yep, that's got to be it. Okay. What were you just saying? What does TGP mean? TGP. Total games played? Yes, sir. And that means if you – it's part of your total allotment to make the most points is to get a full TGP of total games played. And there will be full total games played.
    75:04
    What? I was waiting for you to wake up, so before I told you. Yeah, we were talking about some points or math or something. We always go back to IFPA. Oh, I think that's what some people do. What? I just want to play a game. I can play games, right? Yeah, games. And hopefully by next week we'll have the updated rankings for September for Upstate New York points. Hopefully I go up. I think you will a little bit. Woo-hoo.
    75:33
    Let's see what the regular New York standings. We are all falling down. Falling down, down, down. Now, you Upstaters, you've got to stay out of there. We can't have you guys in the state final. We can't have you just mucking up the works. It's Super League only, baby. It's a Super League only tournament. So, right now, the highest is actually Tim Sexton.
    75:57
    Timmy is now ahead of all Upstate people. he is in 23rd with 100 points first enough state but 23rd in the state wow yeah the problem is when you have timmy at 100 points and greg pavarelli at 407 points super league yeah we did enough super league bashing in a previous episode but then we plug we bashing i'm not bashing him i'm always plugging people yeah we we i want to plug yes yes we we plugged the new york city tournaments we we we do we are very fair here we are very fair so uh let's plug one of our we had three emails this week and you want to pick one two or three pick a number uh one one to this week's plug goes to Sean. Hi, Sean. Sean is a first-time emailer to us. And he said I was wrong twice. So this will be Sean's last time. Sean, you are awesome. You are correct. Bruce is wrong more than twice, too. He was actually only right once. Because he said I was wrong with Time Warp, which we already admitted to it. Star Warp. Time Warp. And second, he said here's the exact words his wife went to our first replay fx this year which is great to see we played two different nba machines it was the first time i played it the game it's definitely pretty so so and not the hate level the bruce uh you know uses bruce's own scale but he did not like it like you did yes so his vote is neutral uh yeah okay but it's not this turd you make it You have to be worse than – you make it worse to be – you said it's worse than IJ4. There is no way in hell that game is worse than IJ4. It is. No, it isn't. It is. I know what to get you for Christmas now. What, an IJ4?
    78:03
    I take it because I could probably sell it. I could get at least two grand for it. No, when I give it to you, I have to give you a lease now for 24 months. Oh, you're going to give me the Stern plan so I can only sell it back to you. Brilliant. And you can't sell it for 24 months. 24 months? And it has to be on all the time in your house. Oh. With this noise coming on, like the animation and the attract mode on.
    78:32
    Okay. All right. Any more plugs? Oh, I still need some freedom, solid state freedom diagrams, even though the freedom is fully working. You never can be prepared. Oh, and another funny thing was today. Let's go.
    78:52
    Last night I got an email. That's pretty funny, man. You know, I get those all the time, dude. These emails are cool.
    79:01
    But I did get an email from the guy who repairs my boards. I remember how he said four weeks ago they were not repairable. The soundboard, if I recall, was not repairable. And it was a CPU. Oh, okay. Well, he emailed me and said, oh, by the way, I had some free time, and I fixed your soundboard.
    79:22
    Interesting. And I have an extra soundboard. Cool. Oh. Did I bring up my stars board on the podcast? I don't remember. Because I sent the stars board, the original, because in the stars I have the Altec boards in there now, and I sent the originals out to be repaired. And I guess, unfortunately, the lamp driver board, it had corrosion on it, but some yahoo at some point like sprayed something on it like triple thick or some other weird crap so when he actually tried to solder on it basically toxic fumes started coming off of the board so uh yeah i'm waiting on a um he actually said he had some other plant boards he could sell me so how many you want on that hmm how many do you want how many do i want oh you're gonna give me boards? I have six light boards I haven't fixed yet, but I can fix them. They're just sitting in a pile in my corner.
    80:14
    You need more than I do, though. You have a lot more pallets. I know, but I have six of them. What does that tell you? I just haven't got to them yet. I actually have to make a test. One of the games I just have to make a test fixture up to swap the boards out and see which ones are out. Yes. You know, the funny thing is we said at the beginning we had nothing to talk about and there's no news and I thought this was going to be a shorter show, and it hasn't been. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah, blah. Here's our viewership. Damn it, what the hell are you doing to me? Yeah, they are snoring. What the hell? God damn it. This is the most boring podcast I've ever heard.
    80:53
    Thanks, Hank. Yeah. You know, you need some propane advertisements on here to bring this to a new level. Strickland Propane. Strickland Propane, baby. but all the strickland arcade the strickland the wait a minute use propane right i do use propane arcade i like strickland strickland arcade you just have like the strickland propane logo out front like a pinball machine on fire that would be pretty cool there you go come on i need more i need more ideas guys give me more ideas you could have your idea in my arcade Wow, that's the greatest honor anyone could be bestowed. It's incredible. No, no, no, no, no. Jim got the greatest honor already so far. Ah, yes, yes. He got number 21, highly polished turd. Highly polished turd. Okay, everybody. But you can go above Jim. Okay. Or Jim can put in a request, of course. Anybody can. I want some ideas. Give me your ideas. Give me your free ideas. Well, what you got to do, well, okay. Post on, Bruce, what you need to do is post on the Facebook page. Are you looking for ideas? And post your list. I don't have a list. I want ideas, so then I can post it. No, your list of the different levels of suck and stuff. Oh, you're going to make me work. Well, in case anyone has any better ones than what you put out there. That's true. I can go with that.
    82:19
    Because our listeners are much smarter than we are. Oh, by the way, one more thing. What? I went over to flights today for banning again. Banning. That will be the Arcade Expo show in January. The one we're going to. The Slamtail Podcast will be there. I'm going to recommend all New York State people to go because guess what? What? The flights are even cheaper. The direct flight from Buffalo to Los Angeles is now $129. Fuck you. Each way. Fuck you. I hate people. Yes.
    82:50
    I live around Albany, folks, so I get direct flights to nowhere. You get direct flights to Boston. To the hub airports. That's it.
    83:00
    That's it. But, yeah, it's even cheaper than my flight. I paid $139. So $129 each way. Is that round trip?
    83:07
    That's $129 each way. So it's $260 round trip. Okay. I'm about to say, like, damn. Because I got it under $400, and I was thrilled. But direct flight, too. Yeah, yeah. You can be in from the cold Buffalo winter to beautiful, sunny Southern California. Yeah, I have, like, two and three hour layovers, so I'm going to have fun. It's going to be great. This could be excellent. Yes. We'll be back in California. Eric Russell, if you are listening, which I know you are, you need to come out with us. Get your ass to California. It's cool. California knows how to do pinball. I can tell you that. I do. And if you come with us and come with us at the same time, we'll drive you back and forth to the airport. There you go. It is an hour and 20-minute drive. Oh, yeah. That's right. Yes. Oh, yes.
    83:54
    Okay. So there's in the books for another episode. episode 11, the search for Spock's testicles? Yes. The search for Spock's balls? Don't forget, don't use that Genesis wave, you know. Genesis wave.
    84:09
    Well, yeah, don't use the Genesis wave because the planet will become unstable and just die and prove that Kirk's son is a failure and then he dies anyway. Exactly. They made him out to be the biggest loser ever. He was a geek. In Star Trek 2, he was a geek. Ladies and gentlemen, this is a podcast about pinball. And we're saying some dude is a geek. That is funny as hell. But in Star Trek 2, he kind of sounded like he knew what he was doing. In Star Trek 3, he's like, oh, let's go check the planet out. Yeah, no. It's still better than Star Trek, the motion picture, though. But you do get Klingons, and it's... You get Christopher Lloyd as the Klingon, which is awesome. Yes, yes. So again, I'm trying to get... I'm trying to bring us home here. I'm trying to bring us home. Enough, enough. thanks everybody this is episode 11 so please check out our Facebook thanks everyone yes please check out our Facebook search for Slam Tilt Podcast go out to YouTube search for Slam Tilt Podcast we can be reached at guess what Slam Tilt Podcast at gmail.com and don't forget we are also available now on iTunes Soundgarden we've been on iTunes but we're also available on Stitcher and podcast and our home is podcast garden but we can download us at itunes and stitcher we're on stitcher now because somebody mentioned that and i noticed all the other pinball podcasts were on there it's like shit we better get on there so we're on there well thanks everybody say goodbye bruce bye bruce
    85:55
    Bye.