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Episode 244: Hi, remember me?

Pinball Profile·podcast_episode·36m 43s·analyzed·Feb 21, 2020
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TL;DR

Pinball Profile returns with InDisc 2019 tournament coverage and winner interviews.

Summary

Jeff Teolis opens Pinball Profile Episode 244 after an extended absence due to personal events (50th birthday, knee surgery, illness in Bali, pepper spray incident). The episode focuses on coverage of the InDisc 2019 tournament at the Museum of Pinball, featuring interviews with winners including Jason Werdrick (Match Play champion), Dani Peck (first Women's Champion), and various tournament participants across multiple divisions.

Key Claims

  • Jason Werdrick won the 120-player match play tournament at InDisc 2019, defeating Josh Sharp in the final on Sea Witch

    high confidence · Jeff interviews Jason Werdrick directly; Jason confirms he won the match play and beat Josh Sharp with a score of 700,000 to Sharp's 600,000 on Sea Witch

  • Stephanie Traub won the Women's Championship at InDisc 2019, coming from the lowest seed position

    high confidence · Jeff announces Stephanie as the women's champion and interviews her directly; notes she was the lowest seed but had to pick games

  • Dani Peck was the first ever InDisc Women's Champion (from a couple of years prior)

    high confidence · Jeff explicitly states 'Here she is, the first ever winner of the Women's Championship at Indus, It happened a couple of years ago Dani Peck from New Zealand'

  • Axel Blondé won IFPA Rookie of the Year 2019 from BC, Canada, and started playing tournaments in April 2019

    high confidence · Jeff announces Axel as 'the first ever IFBA Rookie of the Year from BC'; Axel confirms he started in April

  • Peter Andersen from Denmark is the number five player in the world

    high confidence · Jeff states this as an introduction fact and Peter does not dispute it

  • Kaylee George won Classics 1 at InDisc 2019 and had previously won the big tournament in 2013

    high confidence · Jeff announces Kaylee as Classics One champ; Kaylee confirms it's been since 2013 that she last won the big one here

  • Jared August finished third at the IPA Open (InDisc) and owns an Indianapolis 500 pinball machine

    high confidence · Jeff announces Jared third place; Jared confirms he owns Indy 500

  • Jeff Teolis started a new podcast called 'Final Round' with Marty Robbins focused on competitive pinball, airing every other Wednesday on Pinball Network

    high confidence · Jeff directly announces this new project: 'my good friend Marty Robbins and I started a brand new podcast called Final Round... every other Wednesday. Again, the final round. You can find it on Facebook.'

Notable Quotes

  • “I didn't come to play, I came to slay.”

    Dani Peck @ Not specified — Dani's trademarked quote that has been referenced by the community since she said it on Pinball Profile years ago; Jeff asks her to repeat it on this episode

  • “Not once in any of the quarterfinals, semifinals, the finals, not once did I see any single player, even in qualifying, like flip out after a game or a bad ball.”

    Debra Tallman @ Not specified — Comments on the exceptional sportsmanship and professionalism of women competitors at InDisc 2019

  • “I have reluctantly declined. I'm flattered by all this grassroot movement.”

    Debra Tallman @ Not specified — Responds to Jeff's question about her IFPA presidential campaign, indicating she was voted in but declined

  • “Set your games up harder.”

    Jared August @ Not specified — Advice from Andy Rosa that Jared credits for improving his play; he found his own Indy 500 harder than the tournament version

  • “The target match play was a bit more draining than I anticipated... I have a lot more respect for the Pembroke crew at this point.”

    Carl D'Angelo @ Not specified — Carl acknowledges the difficulty of running a 120-player match play tournament, comparing it to Pembroke's legendary 1,000-person tournament management

  • “It's actually been going really well. I thought that my grades would drop this year after some stuff that happened, but no, I managed to keep it good.”

    Dani Peck @ Not specified — Dani discusses balancing university with pinball, indicating she's successfully managing both

  • “I managed to make it to finals, and I had a couple games I was super proud of, so excited to go back and watch them on the stream.”

    Anna Wolk @ Not specified — Anna reflects on her fourth-place finish in the women's competition, focusing on specific games she played well

Entities

Jeff TeolispersonPinball ProfileorganizationJason WerdrickpersonJosh SharppersonDani PeckpersonStephanie TraubpersonAxel Blondéperson

Signals

  • ?

    community_signal: International pinball tournament attendance shows strong global participation with European and Australian players traveling to California events

    high · Peter Andersen from Denmark attended InDisc; Dani Peck from New Zealand attended; discussion of System 11 World Championships in New Zealand with 100+ participants

  • ?

    event_signal: InDisc 2019 tournament successfully executed at Museum of Pinball with multiple divisions, high attendance, and strong streaming/video coverage

    high · Carl D'Angelo notes 'The sheer number of people that came, how things are holding up. It seems to be running smoothly.' Multiple tournament winners and participants interviewed; Emoto Harney describes venue as 'packed, you can barely move around'

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Positive sentiment toward women's competitive pinball championship; notable professionalism and sportsmanship among female competitors

    high · Debra Tallman states: 'not once did I see any single player, even in qualifying, like flip out after a game or a bad ball' and 'the women competitors here today put together some of the most spectacular showmanship I've ever seen'

  • ?

    community_signal: Strong regional competitive pinball support systems evidenced by multiple tournament results from Michigan, Vancouver, Arizona, New York, and DC regions

    high · Multiple players from specific regions given shout-outs to local pinball communities (Michigan support for Jared, Vancouver pinball scene for Axel, Phoenix Bells and Chimes for Tracy)

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Match play tournament mechanics with 120 players creating complexity in scheduling, game selection, and scoring management

Transcript

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0:00
it's about time for another pinball profile i'm your host jeff tules you can find our group on facebook we're also on twitter at pinball profile email us pinball profile at gmail.com please subscribe on your favorite podcatcher and check us out on instagram at pinball profile So what's going on with Pinball Profile? Why has it been taking so long? Well, I've been a little bit busy, in fact. I was away for a couple of weeks in Bali in Australia. I had a lovely time. I turned 50. I had knee surgery. I got violently sick and had intravenous so that I could actually get on an airplane. I was pepper sprayed, and I'm wrapping up the Pinball Profile world tour, at least this leg anyway, this weekend in Monroe, Michigan at Beaks Bar and Grill. Do I explain any of these things, or do I just leave it? And you go, what, what, what, what? Okay, pepper spray, that was wrong place at the wrong time. In fact, in a variety store with my family, sadly, a person came in, tried to steal, of all things, a bottled water. The store owner caught him. He claimed, oh, I was just trying to pay for it as it was deep in his coat. The store owner said, come right here right now. He said a few profanities, then pulled out the pepper spray, blasted the guy, and then ran out of the store after blasting another person. So when that stuff is in the air, even though I wasn't directly hit or my son Carson, just by being in the air, we were gagging, eyes burning. Not a fun Saturday night, let's just say that. What else did I mention? Okay, really quickly, inner venous, massive fever in Bali. That didn't really go very well and I had to get on the plane the next day to go to Australia after being violently ill in every way you can possibly imagine. Great weight loss program, by the way. We had to get a house call, have a doctor come and pump me full of fluids. Not a good way to start your trip. Oh, did I mention a couple of days earlier I almost broke my arm? If you go to her Instagram, you can see a picture of this massively bruised right arm. And I'll tell you what happened there. I don't know if you've ever been to Bali, but there are two lanes on each road. One car goes one way, the other goes the other way. But in between those are probably four lanes of motorcycles. So it's just chaotic. Just this crazy traffic. Well, a small child, unfortunately, must have wandered away from his parents and walked in front of an oncoming car. and I did what I had to do and jumped in front of the kid and got the kid out of the way, kind of throwing the kid on the sidewalk, but I got a good ding there and almost broke my arm. So that happened. Or I might have got really drunk and fell off a chair. One of those two things happened. You be the judge. Also, my good friend Marty Robbins and I started a brand new podcast called Final Round, a lot about competition pinball, but if you're not into competitive pinball, don't worry. We will bring you along, and I promise it'll be fun, especially if you're fans of head-to-head pinball, which I am a massive fan. Sad to see that show gone, so I was asked to do this podcast for the Pinball Network. A great opportunity to keep Marty on air. Check it out every other Wednesday. Again, the final round. You can find it on Facebook. I'd like to say something about Mrs. Pin's pinball podcast. Good luck with your world tour. What an original idea. But that doesn't bother me at all. I think that's actually quite funny. I laughed my head off when I saw that. But no, here's the bone I want to pick with you. How dare you do a show in mid-February about InDisc? It happened early January. How dare you do a recap right now about, oh, I haven't done mine yet. Uh-oh.

  • The Museum of Pinball houses approximately 600 pinball machines

    high confidence · Emoto Harney states 'I mean, 600 pinball machines and all the vids which are hidden right now'

    • Peter Andersen
    person
    Emoto Harneyperson
    Kaylee Georgeperson
    Jared Augustperson
    Carl D'Angeloperson
    Museum of Pinballorganization
    InDiscevent
    Marty Robbinsperson
    Anna Wolkperson
    Tracy Lindberghperson
    Louise Wagensonerperson
    Debra Tallmanperson
    Brad Albrightperson
    Roto-Daveperson

    high · Carl D'Angelo: 'The target match play was a bit more draining than I anticipated... the number of games we used in inputting scores just the timekeeping the tournament running on time was a challenge'

  • ?

    event_signal: Pinball Profile podcast resuming after extended hiatus with planned continuation toward Episode 250

    high · Jeff announces this is Episode 244 after being away for extended period; mentions Episode 250 is upcoming and plans to have Kaylee George return

  • ?

    community_signal: Jeff Teolis launching new competitive pinball podcast 'Final Round' with co-host Marty Robbins

    high · Jeff states: 'my good friend Marty Robbins and I started a brand new podcast called Final Round... every other Wednesday. Again, the final round. You can find it on Facebook. I'd like to say something about Mrs. Pin's pinball podcast.'

  • ?

    technology_signal: InDisc 2019 utilizing screens above each pinball game for live tournament viewing and streaming infrastructure

    high · Peter Andersen notes 'the setup and how you can watch the tournaments on screen'; Emoto Harney's videography setup with 25-pound camera rig; streaming available on Twitch via IE Pinball

    • 3:32
    Well, coming up right now on Pinball Profile, a whole bunch of great people. You're going to enjoy hearing these wonderful players that just happened to be at InDisc. Just a coincidence. At the time of this recording, he is the person who has won the last two consecutive Indisc tournaments. Last year, the high stakes tournament, and this year, the new match play tournament. Jason Werdrick, congratulations. That was big. Thank you, Jeff. I know you've got a sore voice right now, probably from hooting and hollering, because you won the 120-player match yesterday, and it came down between you and Josh Sharp. Not to pick, but a couple of guys that maybe haven't won the big one yet. That's very true, Jeff. but certainly have played incredible. Both of you were on fire yesterday, and you got to play Josh in the final, winner basically take all. That's correct. We were playing the last couple groups here, and I won the last couple, and I was able to overtake Josh and come up with the win. It was Sea Witch the final game, wasn't it? Sea Witch, correct, and it was very close. I put up like a 700,000, and he put up about a 600,000. Oh, wow. Who went first? I went first. So he had to catch it. He had to catch me. In the game before, we played Doodlebug, and that was another close one. I ended up getting like 41,000, and he had about a 38. Doodlebug, such a great game. And he's familiar with it, too, so there's no excuse. No, no, no excuse at all. And then even prior to that game, we played on Jeannie, I'm sorry, at Lance Castle. And he used to own one, I guess, possibly just for a week. But he came back and beat me on that one. So we were going neck and neck at the end there. It was great. I love that two guys from Illinois have to come to California just to settle this difference. But it was a great win for you, and I've got to tell you, there's nothing that makes me more proud than the fact that you won, and I now have this great picture of Josh holding a second-place trophy, another one. There's another one? And then he had another one last year when I won the Chicago Pinball League in the finals against Josh. Jason, take it easy on the poor guy, all right? We don't want to pick on him on this show. Yeah, that's, I don't know. I think it's O-tips.
    5:31
    Congrats, Jason. All right, thank you, Jeff. So much great footage at InDisc, and the big part, of course, Carl D'Angelo, IE Pinball. But, you know, there is an official videographer, if you will. Her name's Emoto Harney. Hi, Emoto, how are you? Hey, I'm doing pretty good. A lot of people here, a lot to cover, but you've done a great job. Yeah, it's been a lot busier than last year, I feel like. This place is packed, you can barely move around, and I'm running around with a 25-pound rig most of the time. I've been ducking and dodging everyone, so sorry to everyone that I poked in the rib or something with my camera gear. My bad. But also, too, you're like a walking hardware store or computer store. You need a trench coat to sell things on the street. You have everything imaginable. Shop Adimoto's. You want CF cards, SD cards, SDHC cards, micro SD cards. I got them all. You can't find a better price than Adimoto's. Anyway, it's a lot of fun. It's a lot of work. This Museum of Pinball is just a treat to come to. The tournaments are great, but the museum itself, this is so good. You can't beat this collection, you know. I mean, 600 pinball machines and all the vids which are hidden right now, which makes me sad. But it's all about pinball this weekend. And watching everyone play has been just so amazing. That's how I fell in love with pinball is the very first Indus when it was during Arcade Expo. Just sitting there watching, like, the Keith Ellin and Zach Sharp on the screens because there's screens above each game, and then being like, oh, wow, look how they're controlling the ball. I want to learn how to do that, and then you just get obsessed. It's easy to get hooked in this hobby, and when people see the great streams and the videos you do, that's another example of how people get into pinball. So thank you very much, Emoto. Yeah, no, thank you guys. I love documenting things. I do it better than playing. Thanks, Emoto. Thanks. Always a pleasure to see this man right here, Peter Andersen from Denmark, the number five player in the world. Somebody I mentioned in my top ten most intriguing people. Because what you did last year was incredible. It was a good year. I had a good run.
    7:39
    You're all smiles here at Indus. That's a long way to come. Was it worth it for you? Are you happy you came? Yeah, definitely. The plays, the tournaments, everything was very well organized. The machines are in good condition as well. So, yeah, it's a very cool venue and the setup and how you can watch the tournaments on screen. So, very cool. It's not easy for Europeans to make the trek over here to North America, but, you know, you want to pick a tournament that has got a few options for you. Indus is great for that because there are so many different tournaments. Yeah, I like when I'm traveling this far to have more than just one tournament to compete in because the miles are taking up some time. Were you able to see any other sites while you were here, or it's a short trip for you, I believe. I thought I heard you say. Yeah, it's actually, I'm only here for InVisc, so I'm going home tomorrow.
    8:39
    You know what? Conversely, I feel bad that when I was in Denmark in October, it was great to be at the EPC. It was great to be at the, I'm going to screw up the name, Flipper K. Lardin. Did I say it right? Yeah. All right. But it was good to see Sorin and Mads and everybody there at Flipper K. Lardin for the Pinball Profile World Tour. You guys were wonderful hosts. That EPC was spectacular. Denmark, the big winners. You had to be happy about that.
    9:05
    The Pin Lab is so special I mean Pin Lab is kind of like what Indisc is in a way just this wonderful facility here Museum of pinball and pin labs like that too lots of space lots of machines well I'm really proud of what you've done in 2019 I know you're not done yet you've got the world you'll be back here in Florida in May at IFPA 17 all the best of luck to you and safe travels Peter all right I had a fellow Canadian here, and not only just any Canadian, he is the first ever IFBA Rookie of the Year from BC, Axel Blondé. How are you doing, Axel? Pretty good, thank you. It's good to see you. Now, I don't know if you know the history, Axel. Your fellow Canadian here once went to the quasi-IFBA president, Josh Sharpe. I said, you know what, if I was the president, I would create a Rookie of the Year. Find out who the best player is that had never played a tournament prior to this calendar year. He must have listened, didn't give the credit, but that's who he is. But we found out it was you. Yeah, I mean, I was surprised at first. And, yeah, I started in April, I think. You didn't even do a full year. No, yeah. And it's great. Like, the Vancouver scene is pretty awesome. We have some really good players and good locations as well. Well, the Northwest alone. I mean, you come up from Seattle, the Albertan, BC with the Robert Gagnos and Eden Stans. There's a lot of great players. We saw Dave Grant do really well in the classics. Yeah. So you're playing with, you know what's funny? When you play with really good players, as you probably do, it kind of makes you better. Yeah, definitely. Like playing every week with like Robert Gagnos, you improve so much. And you learn. And learn, yeah. So, a lot of people don't know about you, so what got you into pinball? So, my dad is an operator in France. Yes. We have some machines at home, and I've been playing since I was eight, probably eight, nine. And we didn't have a lot of IFBA events in France.
    11:19
    And I moved to Vancouver in April to do my studies, like fight school. And, yeah, I just picked it up in Vancouver. What are you taking in school? Flight school. Really? Yeah. Tell me about it. Flying planes. Okay. You know what? Most people that graduate have jobs. Yeah, well, still student, like a year to go, and we'll see. Are you going to do planes, helicopters? Yeah, planes. Yeah, we're talking planes. They're going to put you somewhere remote up in Northwest Territories, I bet. Maybe. Doesn't matter. Pilot? Very, very cool. Oh, yeah. Well, that's good. Oh, wow. So you're flying high in pinball, flying high in school, and I assume we're going to see you at a bunch of events now that you're hooked? Yeah, I'm going to Yack Finn, that's for sure. And we'll try to do Pinberg this year because, yeah, it's a big one. Everybody keeps talking about it, so I'm going to go there as well. We're going to see more and more from you. Axel, climbing the ranks, your IFBA Rookie of the Year in 2019. Great to meet you. Thank you. You too. Let's meet the final four from the incredible women's competition we just saw here at Indisc. I'm with Dani Peck, our first ever Indisc Women's Champion. So coming out right now in fourth place, a big hand for Anna Wolk from New York.
    12:36
    Thank you. Come on over here, Anna. Congratulations. Thank you. I guess that's what you want in the last game, a game where it can come down to anybody with a 5-4-3-2. It's obviously not the outlook you wanted, but there's no shame in fourth with all those great players. Yeah, it was a great round. I was just really happy to make it to finals, and I had a couple games I was super proud of, so excited to go back and watch them on the stream. That's not always the case. Okay, no one's listening right now. Just between you and I, how much do you love Stargazer? I hate Stargazer. I did not pick Stargazer. I know, I know. I did pick Prospector, which I now hate too. Oh, okay. You know what, Anna, you're a great player. Well done. And way to represent Bells and Chimes in New York. Thank you so much. Okay, thanks very much, Anna. All right, come on back, Danny. We're going to bring our third place winner right now from Arizona, speaking of Bells and Chimes. Tracy Lindbergh joins us right now. Third place for Tracy Lindbergh.
    13:27
    Congratulations. Thank you so much. I know you're very, very excited. If you really think about it, you know, one point off that tiebreaker to win it all. But you're all smiles. You're all excited. I am super happy. I have been in the finals the last two years. This was my first time in the final four. I'm thrilled. And it's a great competition, too. I don't know what goes through your mind when you see something like this. I know it's very important for you, for the whole women's scene, for the national championship. and this is certainly going to help with both those. Absolutely. Yep. Anybody want to say hi to in Arizona? Shout out to my bells and chimes, Phoenix. Okay. Thanks very much. Tracy Lindbergh, everybody, from Arizona.
    14:04
    It came down to a tiebreaker, and last year's winner almost did it again. We're going to see a lot of her. I mean, I think she was second in the classics last year as well. Last year's women's champ, to go along with Danny Peck from two years ago, Louise Wagensoner from San Francisco.
    14:22
    Congratulations. Thank you, Jeff. Good to see you again. I think this is one of your favorite places. It has to be because you do so well here. Yeah, I love it. Yeah.
    14:31
    I was second the first year they ran it, and then a first and a second, so I'm stoked to be able to make it again. Okay, your son's going to be three and watches pinball videos. That's right. Now, you told me a funny story. I did, yeah. So we've started, I have a young son. He's about to turn three. and he started watching pinball videos because he's old enough to flip a bit now and the very first video he watched had Jeff in it and now he thinks it's historically amusing whenever he sees any pinball video he always says it's Jeff and I'll be like, no Daniel, that's Priyanka and he's like, no, it's Jeff it's Jeff, it's Jeff I get mistaken for Priyanka a lot so anyway, you know what's great is now your son can watch mom do really well at the women's championship congratulations Thanks a lot. All right. Congratulations. Louise Wagons on her.
    15:24
    We have a winner. It came down to the tiebreaker. And from D.C., Stephanie Trout. And, oh, we have a special medal, too, because there are the Indus coins here. This is from our sponsor, CCPL. Congratulations. So a double winner here, Stephanie. Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you very much. Pretty exciting. You know, you're never out of it. Anybody watching a pinball tournament is going to watch what you did. Going into that last game, you had two points. The leader had five, five, four, three, two. You had to win and have some help, but that's all it takes. That's all it takes. I watched the IFA World Championships where he came back on Dracula, and I swear to God, that video helps me with all my pinball games. Very inspired by Johannes Ostemeyer, now the number one player in the world. You're the number one player here. You're going to have your name on that banner. Oh, that's pretty awesome. Pretty stoked, I would say. Another thing, too, as I was thinking about this, If you were watching, you were the lowest seed coming into this Final Four, and everyone deferred to you, so you had to go first, but you got to pick the games. I got to pick every game, and I really did not want to. But is it all worth it now? It's all worth it. All right, who do you want to say hi to? I want to say hi to Washington, D.C., Lyman's pinball crew, and also a shout-out to Free State Pinball Association in D.C., Virginia, and Maryland. Your Indus, women's champion Stephanie Traub from D.C. Thanks very much Here she is, the first ever winner of the Women's Championship at Indus It happened a couple of years ago Dani Peck from New Zealand It's great to see you again It's great to see you, Jeff It's been a little while I know, you're off to the big school now, aren't you? Yeah, so it's a bit hard to, you know, jump over here and take time off But I've got my chance now, there you go Very, very good So school's been going well for you? It's actually been going really well I thought that my grades would drop this year after some stuff that happened, but no, I managed to keep it good. It's going good. A lot of people certainly follow you and know of the incredible things you do, certainly in pinball, but also, too, in schooling and in life, and you have a lot of fans. So are you getting much time for pinball, though? I'm getting enough. In New Zealand, we mostly play on Saturdays and Sundays, and I don't do uni on Saturdays or Sundays, so we're doing all right. We're doing all right. I'm getting enough time in, so all right. and I've got my boyfriend now who loves pinball. He's pinball crazy, so, you know, he motivates me to play some more. Oh, very nice. So March is big at your home in New Zealand, isn't it? Yeah, it's big. We've got our big tournament called Pincade, where it's just a massive weekend of drinking, I'm sure, for a lot of people. No. No, not for me. Not for you. You know I'm not into that or any of that stuff. But anyways, no, you know, it's good, and you get to go to a bunch of different people's houses, and we have the System 11 World Championships. That's what I was talking about. That's going to be great. It very exciting I excited to be back potentially keep up my reign Did I win that one year I feel like I won it I can remember I got too much uni stuff crammed into my head But you know I excited It's always got like 100 people there, over 100 people, and I'm excited seeing all the Australians, seeing all the Kiwis fly up to Auckland. It's all good. Well, I certainly want to see all those System 11s, but the game I really want to see is that nice homebrew your dad has of Led Zeppelin. I saw you on the video. How's that playing? It's so good. It plays so well. I'm so proud of how Dad, you know, managed to do that. He managed to make it all nice and shiny, and it all looks really nice. But really, couldn't have done it without Brad Albright, who did the artwork, you know, got nominated for a Twippy. And, you know, but that artwork, man, just changed the game. I tell you, if any company should happen to ever come out with Led Zeppelin, I'm going to say it's because of Roto-Dave. I think because of the pecs doing Led Zeppelin, they've shown how big this band could possibly be and how it would work for a pinball machine. so that'll be exciting. What's your favorite thing about Indisc as you return here? I would say playing. That didn't happen this year, so no. But no, I've got to tell you, bro, commentating the women's, which has just happened. We're doing this after that. It was so much fun being able to see everyone again. It's been awesome, you know, being able to see people who I don't get to see often, obviously, living in a small corner of the world. You know, it was a couple of years ago right here that you had a famous saying that you said about your playing, and people have been talking about it ever since because you said it on Pinball Profile. Do you want to repeat that right now? I didn't come to play, I came to slay. Danny Peck, right there, trademarked. Great seeing you again. Great seeing you, Jeff, thank you. Thanks. Here with Classics 1 champ, Kaylee George. That was an incredible performance last night here in this. And you know what, I was watching all the rounds too. You really didn't have to sweat it out, no tiebreakers. You looked pretty solid throughout the whole tournament. Yeah, well, there was a couple of narrow escapes. I ended up with a second on Sinbad in an earlier round where Eric Stone was down by only 2,000 to take second place and attack first. And he had a really unfortunate plunge, which was only worth about 1,000 points. Seriously, like the 100 lane kind of thing? Yeah, that gave me a good advance. I came into a 4-4-4-2 into a third game where I was the two. Needed to win that and did. So had a couple rounds come down to the last game But yeah, the final was great I was looking at the scores, not really the progress So I didn't know about that 4-4-2 Yeah, I stand corrected It wasn't as easy as I thought Yeah, so that was pretty interesting You made the finals look easy with the 2-4s right off the bat Yeah, that was great O's and X's is a pretty fun game With that grid I had two balls in that game where I needed to shoot the center target To line up a rack of 3 so I could light the 5Ks Earlier took a shot at it And bricked and drained And luckily on ball five, I was able to do that and then get a good rhythm, knocking out those 5Ks in the scoops. So for OXO, that's the key. Get a line to get the 5,000 saucers, I guess. Yeah, you have to get a tic-tac-toe line of Xs or Os, and then that lights up the play field, which is pretty good. But that's a tough shot, getting in those saucers. Yeah, what's pretty interesting about that game for that era is that they actually stick pretty well. Like, usually, classes games, those little scoops, they're pretty squirrely, and it's rare that a ball sticks in there. It's pretty good on O's and X's, and the kickouts on this one were very nice, and you could dead pass it over and take another shot. Yeah. Well, congratulations. You're going to be up on the banner again, and we're not even done. You could be up again, but it's been a few years. It was 2013 that you last won the big one here. Yeah, yeah, it's been a while. So, yeah, it was a really fun tournament last night, and a lot of great players in the final, so it was really good. I've told you this before. I'll say this on Pinball Profile. probably the most listened to episode was when you were on episode 150. And guess what, Kaylee? I'm coming up to episode 250, so are you going to be around? Yes. I've got way more shade to throw.
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    I love it, too. I love your honesty. I love your dry wit. So coming up, a little sneak preview. Kaylee George, the Classics One champ here. Let's do it. All right. Thanks, buddy. Thanks a lot. Debra Tallman's here at Indus. Good to see you again. Hello, Jeff. I saw you broadcast the Women's Championship, which was a lot of fun. It looked like you were really getting into it. Yeah, me, Danny, Danny Pax, Snow Galvin, Maureen Hendricks, Zoe Vrabel. We were up there. It's funny because somebody said, is that Danny's older sister? Yeah, apparently I'm her clone or she's my clone. We have been cloned. We haven't figured out that much. I recommend everyone watch on Twitch on IE Pinball. The women were playing incredible. I was watching Grand Lizard, and I was talking to Anna Walk, who also was in the top four, And I said, I thought I knew Grand Lizard until I watched you play. Yeah. I saw things out of the female competitors that I haven't seen out of some of the Canadians here today. That's not saying much, let's be honest. Oh, wait a minute. I saw Robert Daniel blow up Radical. I mean, he's our boy. And Phil Birnbaum is kicking butt over in the closet. So you're just basically making fun of me. Thanks, Debra. I always try to make fun of you. I mean, Josh can't be all alone in his quest to make sure that you're getting constantly harassed, right? That's a good point. By the way, is your presidential campaign going according to plan? I have reluctantly declined. I'm flattered by all this grassroot movement. Reluctantly? So they voted you in? I was voted in. I don't want a coup. Ha! All right? And then they told you that you weren't eligible because you are, after all, so very un-American. No, the IFPA is international. The first word in it is international. It's not the American pinball. Well, then you don't know. Oh, well, anyway, Josh has been listening, and he's under a watchful eye. Let's just put it that way, okay? I want to say that the women competitors here today put together some of the most spectacular showmanship I've ever seen. Oh, I'm so glad you said that, and I was saying that to Tracy Lindbergh. I said, not once in any of the quarterfinals, semifinals, the finals, not once did I see any single player, even in qualifying, like flip out after a game or a bad ball. It was just kind of walk away, oh, you know. Yeah, the classy broads. And also, too, just the congratulations, everyone. I wish all tournaments were like that. I wish that you'd win more tournaments, too. Be like a woman. Do better. The secret is out. Thank you, Debra. Thank you, Jeff. I think the last time I talked to this guy, he was in the top four at Pinball Expo in Chicago. Well, here he is again, top four at the IPA Open in third place, Jared August. Jared, way to go, buddy. Thank you, Jeff. I didn't expect anything. My goal was just to qualify.
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    Yeah, you did that. Your first ticket, you finished third. So you actually got two buys today. I did. Pretty impressive. And, of course, EJ came with you here, which is very nice. A lot of people in Michigan were watching you. Yeah, Michigan's great. It's awesome having Michigan support me. Michigan's a very tough state, and everyone's an awesome player there. Yeah, you've got states next week, don't you? Yes, we do. Where were you seated? I'm seventh. Yeah, I was slacking. No, you're a young guy who's got school and can't go to a lot of tournaments in Michigan, but it's great to see you come across the country to come to this event. Boy, that's going to be nice. Big haul and probably help you with the circuit, too, if you think about that. It will, yeah. Great first start. Nice to get off with a fresh start. Check out the IFPA majors and see the people who finished first, second, third. Your name's now going to be on there as someone who's... Yeah. That's pretty cool, buddy. It is. It's an honor. And you did well on Indy 500. You own that game, don't you? I do. My favorite thing you said was, I played it here. I got the GC. I'm like, oh, good for you. He goes, yeah, I own it. But I find mine harder. That's a good tip. Set your games up harder. Yes. Yep. Andy Rosa taught me that. Well, there's another great player from Michigan, too. Yes. Way to go, buddy. Congratulations. Thank you, Jeff. Appreciate it. It means a lot. Carl D'Angelo, I'm the worst human being in the world. Not Carl. I am. Because he's the busiest person at Indus. And I said, hey, Carl, do you have time to talk? which is no, because he's TVing, he's doing the streams, he's part-time tech. What else am I missing, Carl? I don't know. I have too many hats here. The desk work, fixing scores all the time. And this is probably a terrible time for me to tell you this, but you left the lights on in your car. Oh, crap. Carl, I was not in this last year, but I'm talking to a lot of people. The best tournament you've ever put on, and maybe one of the best ever, because of all the different aspects. The facility here at Museum of Pinball, what you have done with Jim, Bob, you've had some great techs too, and Dave and Jay. Exactly, yeah. Scorbit is being wonderful too with helping out on all the open games. Yes, yeah. Is it everything you wanted? I know we're not done yet. It is. It's incredible. The sheer number of people that came, how things are holding up. It seems to be running smoothly. I'll admit the target match play was a bit more draining than I anticipated. What do you mean? I have a lot more respect for the Pembroke crew at this point. I mean, I already thought it was phenomenal putting on that 1,000-person tournament, and this one having a 120 tournament it was difficult to run More difficult than I expected in the number of games we used in inputting scores just the timekeeping the tournament running on time was a challenge Well, that's the thing that's interesting, too, about Pemberg, and you had that same situation with the tiered Swiss in the match play. So 120 players, and if you're near the top by the later rounds, you're playing with the top players.
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    Typically, the top players will play longer. Now, I know with some of the game selections, you might not have a long-playing game, right? You might have some wide-gap EMs or something like that. Right. But the luck of the draw, the randomness of the match play tournament, you might have that top group on Scorpion, which, uh-oh, that's going to play a while. True, true, and we had a couple of those, but it wasn't too bad. Before the break, we were just a half hour behind schedule, which wasn't too bad. So we budgeted 30 minutes per round and 16 rounds for the entire tournament. Thankfully, we ended in 14 rounds. And it put us right at 10 o'clock, right at the closing time for the museum for that day. Two years ago, you added the women's. Now we just had a great, successful third with Stephanie Traub from D.C. beating Louise Wagensonner, last year's winner, in a tiebreaker. It was excellent, and I'm glad you streamed it on IE Pinball. So that was two years ago when you added the women's. Last year, you added a second classics tournament and the high stakes tournament. This year, that match play tournament that you talked about. there's no bloody way in 2021 you can add something else. No, no, no, no, no. Speed runs. Speed runs. No, no, no, no, no, no. Stall ball. Okay, I'm not going to add this, but I still, no one has done it yet as far as I know, but I want to run a flip frenzy where every game is set to one ball only. Yeah, the reason people don't do that is because, oh, the TGP, but you know what? Who cares? I don't care about the TGP, and I know that's not the popular thing to say, But I'd rather run up a good tournament than have high TGP. So high stakes this year. We hit the threshold. We hit over 80 players. I didn't think that would be possible. At $50 a card, I mean, there's some combos where you can basically get it for $30. But, yeah, you were thinking 80, okay, we won't get 80. We'll have eight in the playoffs. Early Saturday morning, you went over 80. That playoffs expanded. Yeah. And in my mind, I'm actually thinking I don't want to expand that. I would have rather left that at eight players. I know where he's going. It's for no TGP. guess what's happening next year a hundred dollars it's got to go up that's 75 well to me i mean we of course i have to consult with our other um tournament officials but yes i would love for that to go up to reduce the number of players because i don't want that going past eight players for finals i think it's it's a high risk high reward situation and we still even expanding it to 12 players it's still very top heavy on the price i mean the last time i checked it was a $3,500. Well, it was over $10,000 in the pot. Yeah, it's incredible. That's pretty amazing for basically just around 100 players. So, yeah, pretty awesome. I know what you're going to do next year. I know what you're going to add. As you raise the price of that, a bank. A bank. The bank of Indus. No, not a bank of pinball machines, an actual physical bank. I know what you mean. Taking out loans, some fake ATM machines. Hey, hey, hey, the credit cards have taken care of that, haven't they? Yeah, it's pretty good. We don't need a bank with the credit card processing. Okay, Carl, you're not going to pat yourself on the back, but I'm going to do it, and I know a lot of people that are here are going to do it too, and when they go back home and say what a great tournament it was, but I'll say it on pinball profile. I know you have a team, but, Carl, I'm looking right at you. You've done so, so much. My goodness. I mean, you haven't moved from behind the desk here with all the iPads and the scoring and updates and everything else, and the registration in the morning. For those who want to know, Carl is one of the top players in the world, always has been, hasn't played a game all weekend and isn't going to because he just can't. Right. It's not possible. It's not possible to run a tournament of this caliber, of this size, and play in it. And I think Jim is recognizing that, too. He really did want to play, but he hasn't finished one card yet. Yeah. Jim, all day yesterday, there were some techs that we talked about, techs for 14 straight hours, doing much of the same again today. So a lot of people don't put on tournaments that they don't play in. And I know, you know, obviously the Pinbird crew, they don't play because they want to put on a great show for everyone, like you have done here at Indus. I'm impressed with the New York City Pinball. Now coming up into its third year, they don't play in the main because, again, they have to run a great show. So not a lot of people do that. And for the benefit of others. So I hope no one gives you any flack, even if it's, oh, the ticket's too much or this, that. You have nothing to complain about because you chose to come here. You know how clearly the rules were laid out, and you've stuck to the rules. It's been fun. It's been a draw for so many people. It's considered Papa West now. It's now a major. You've done everything you've set out to do. Yeah, it's incredible. And I still want to stress just how much our techs have helped, how much Jay Collins, Dave Hill have been instrumental in keeping this tournament running. And, I mean, they're ones that aren't really credited that much for it, and they have been unbelievable in helping us. Carl, thank you very much on behalf of everyone. Thank you, Jeff. Indisc has come to a close. It was an incredible tournament. No question that it is definitely a major event for sure. Glad to see the IFBA open. Congratulations to Eric Stone, who won the big tournament, and also to Jim Belcido, the high-stakes winner. Ian Harroward joins us right now. You hear him on Pinball Nerds podcast. He also did a recap there. But, Ian, your thoughts of Indisc. You've gone a few years, first of all. So how is this one compared to other years? Indisc is really my favorite tournament out of the entire circuit for the year. The facility is amazing. It's so big. The tournament area this year, they expanded it by moving more of the arcade games out. We had like over 300 people there, and it was super open. You never felt crowded, and it was great. It's rare that you see 15 games in a Classics event. It's rare that you see 18 in a Main event. That's what makes it, I think, so special. and the techs and just the volunteers. I mean, what Carl and what Jim and Bob and all those wonderful techs and TDs did, it's amazing. Yeah, you have people like Jay Collins who was working really hard all weekend keeping those machines going. Jim basically gave up playing in the open because he was working on machines the entire time. Carl didn't play at all. Jim didn't play until high stakes. So, you know, they've got to the point where they're focused on delivering a great event, and they succeeded. it's worthy of being the fifth major and such a great venue too i was talking to chuck the curator that's a special place too with 500 plus machines on the other side that we got a chance to to play in for the classics match play event that was very unique i'm amazed that they keep adding to this tournament uh last year they added the classics too they added the high stakes and now this one i don't know where they can go from here well i think if they're trying to make it a destination this is probably going to be the biggest opportunity in north america this year with the multiplier on the open and all of those tournaments it's going to be a must go to destination for years to come do you have any favorite moments from indus watching the finale you know that that final f14 match with eric like he just dug deep and that was amazing to see also just seeing the games in the showroom like i saw some really cool games that i had never seen before walking down like line after line of these old 60s ems that i've never played before and just walking up them and being like what do you do and just trying them out it was great i like that eric stone kind of comeback i thought maybe colin urban would go back to back another great comeback to stephanie trobb from dc huge comeback yeah it was great to see the women's final there um i i hear really positive things about the stream you know there's a huge crowd watching it it was a really exciting moment and like the payouts in the women's is great like it's uh all weekend long those machines were were being played and challenging and we know we played high stakes the exact same machines and the play by those women were great great all around that's uh for sure and including the wonderful stream on ie pinball you did a great job too with Ryan Wanger from Comet Pinball, and I know you really enjoy that as well. Yeah, and Josmein was also in the booth with us, and I think we did a good job. We brought our own perspective to how to do it. The other teams are really entertaining in that. We have the New York crew with Levy in them, always bringing a level of excitement, and of course getting the real pros in there at the end, with Steve Bowden running the booth there. Always great to see them on Comet Air. Good all-around in-disc. Make sure you put it on your calendar for January 2021. This has been your Pinball Profile. You can find our group on Facebook. We're also on Twitter at Pinball Profile. Email us pinballprofile at gmail.com. Please subscribe on your favorite podcatcher and check us out on Instagram at pinballprofile. I'm Jeff Teolas.
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