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We Are Pinball #9 "Avatar and gangsta rap!"

We Are Pinball (WAP)·podcast_episode·56m 56s·analyzed·Aug 29, 2024
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TL;DR

Stern John Wick 8-bit mode praised; JJP Avatar leaked; Costco/pricing debate dominates discussion.

Summary

We Are Pinball podcast discusses Stern's new John Wick 8-bit video mode update and rental program expansion (including Costco placement), Alice in Wonderland's delayed release, and a leaked photo of Jersey Jack's upcoming Avatar pinball machine. The hosts debate Stern's pricing strategy, home edition viability, and speculate on Avatar's theme relevance and gameplay potential.

Key Claims

  • John Wick just received a code update featuring an 8-bit video mode comparable to Jaws' video mode quality

    high confidence · Host confirms playing the 8-bit mode and describes it as 'phenomenal' with integrated gameplay on the pinball playfield

  • Stern is renting pinball machines to corporations at ~$500/month and placing machines in Costco for holiday season

    high confidence · Hosts discuss Stern's expansion strategy and Costco placement details confirmed by distribution knowledge

  • Alice in Wonderland (Dutch Pinball) is still unreleased and being 'edged' with incremental photo releases

    high confidence · Host jokingly mentions they're releasing close-up photos of leg bolts and coin door next

  • Jersey Jack has an Avatar pinball machine in development, evidenced by a leaked playfield photo

    medium confidence · Photo leaked during Stern/Jaws live stream showing Avatar playfield with JJP flipper bat logo; hosts debate if leak was intentional or coincidental

  • Stern pinball pricing has jumped from $9,500 LE to current $13,000+ range, outpacing inflation

    high confidence · Hosts cite specific MSRP progression: Jaws at $10,500, subsequent games at $13,000; discuss cost drivers (code quality, Insider Connected, servers)

  • Home edition Stern machines (at $5,000-$6,000) are not selling well and have been indefinitely halted

    medium confidence · Hosts note bad sales numbers and Stern put home versions 'indefinitely on hold' (meaning no current plans to produce)

  • For $5,000, consumers can buy Avengers Infinity Quest, Mandalorian, or Star Wars Pro machines instead of home editions

    high confidence · Hosts compare pricing and argue Pro commercial machines offer better build quality and gameplay at same MSRP

  • The Avatar photo leak likely timed strategically by JJP to distract from Stern's X-Men game announcement

    low confidence · Hosts speculate on timing ('perfect timing for a leakage') but acknowledge they're 'just joking' and 'don't know for sure'

Notable Quotes

  • “This game's going to get good. It's going to get really good. Once everything's fleshed out I can feel it.”

    Host (discussing John Wick updates) @ Early segment — Expresses confidence in John Wick's trajectory despite initial weak launch performance

  • “The layout's not as incredible as Jaws or Godzilla or Avengers Infinity Quest or an Elwynn, but it's a fair bit better than Venom.”

    Host @ John Wick discussion — Honest assessment ranking John Wick's playfield design within recent Stern releases

  • “Compare this to when you're playing Scream on Venom, flipping your hair around for no reason, and it stops the gameplay. They just come out with this, which is like a whole fleshed out 8-bit fun flash game.”

    Host @ 8-bit mode praise — Contrasts quality integration of new 8-bit mode against Venom's poorly-received video modes

  • “I mean, the le should cost 10,000 and pros cheaper and premiums cheaper...from 9,500 for an LE, then we got Jaws at 10,500, then 13,000. What the heck?”

    Host @ Pricing discussion — Core complaint about unsustainable pricing trajectory and pricing gaps between editions

  • “For $5,000, you can go get an Adventures Infinity Quest Pro right now...it's going to have better build quality and better gameplay than the home version, for sure, for the same price.”

    Host @ Costco/home edition critique — Demonstrates fundamental market positioning problem with home editions at current pricing

  • “You're at the school dance, and Alice in Wonderland keeps trying to follow you around...when all of a sudden across the dance floor, the spotlight lands on Pandora, and you're like, oh, Dancing Queen, get out of the way.”

    Host @ Avatar leak timing discussion — Metaphor for Avatar leak's strategic impact on shifting attention from Stern to JJP

  • “There's no room for gatekeeping in pinball. You want your events to be successful. You want your tournaments to be successful. You want your locations doing well.”

    Host — Defends Stern's expansion efforts against community gatekeeping criticism

Entities

Stern PinballcompanyJersey Jack PinballcompanyJohn Wick (pinball game)gameAvatar (pinball game - JJP)gameAlice in Wonderland (Dutch Pinball)gameJaws (Stern Pinball)gameGodzilla (Stern Pinball)gameCostcoorganization

Signals

  • ?

    business_signal: Stern expanding market reach through corporate rental program (~$500/month) and holiday Costco placement of home edition machines; strategy aimed at growing consumer base and brand awareness

    high · Hosts confirm Stern reaching out to corporations and Costco placement details; discuss promotional impact and impulse purchase potential; Stern seeking retail SKU for holiday season

  • ?

    community_signal: Stern actively reaching out to new YouTubers and media personalities (including Vic) for game reveals and brand partnership; expanding creator network beyond traditional pinball media

    medium · Hosts note Stern 'invited new YouTubers' and 'reaching out to new media' because established creators like them 'don't do a great job spreading the love of pinball'; positioning as growth strategy

  • ?

    competitive_signal: Avatar leak timing (during Stern Jaws stream) strategically diverts attention from Stern's rumored X-Men release; hosts speculate on intentional JJP tactic ('perfect timing for a leakage') to hold back customer spending

    low · Hosts openly speculate/joke: 'The Avatar leak was an inside job'; note Ken Cromwell 'just called Jason Neff' leak order; acknowledge they're 'just kidding' and don't know facts; describe as 'great strategy if it was intentional'

  • ?

    design_philosophy: Jersey Jack known for industry-leading light effects and mechanisms; Avatar expected to feature blue/fluorescent color palette signature to brand; playfield expected to be populated (not 'empty' like recent releases) given Avatar's scope

    medium · Host: 'industry-leading light effects in JJP games'; 'you're going to get drunk when playing this game...blue and fluorescent green'; predicts populated playfield based on theme scope and recent release patterns

Transcript

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0:00
Ain't nothing but a gangsta party. It's an avatar party. Oh, yeah. Break out your Smurfs. We're going after Gargamel on the island of Pandora, floating in space, getting that unobtainium.
0:45
We're bringing Snoop Dogg along for the ride, too. Why not? What's up, members of the public? We are pinball, and we got things to celebrate. Yeah, baby. Including New Jersey Jack, it seems like. we got costco's got pinball machines john wick just got an update you can rent a stern pinball machine for your business okay i don't know if that's incredible alice in wonderland is still a game coming out so much to cover here is alice not out yet they're edging us man they keep dropping like next they're going to give us close-up photos of the leg bolts to get us hype and the coin door next week i need to see what the inside of the coin box looks like on alice here man she's They're going to piecemeal this thing to us. Can you run over to the Netherlands real quick and knock on the door and see what's going on? It's a short ride. Let me go down and knock on that door. What's going on, man? I'm having fun. I'm recording. I'm playing in my 3D lab. I'm playing some pinball, playing the new John Wick update. There's so much going on, man. Forget it. How is the new update, John Wick update? Is it good? It's good. I've put like five gifts in. It literally just dropped as I'm getting ready to record here. But, yeah, game's updated. There's more music cues in there And I think there's some kind of little gameplay aspect Where there's some sort of countdown Because as you're playing you'll hit a couple shots Then it'll just do this like Like something's happening I don't know what it is yet Because there's no voice telling me what it is But we'll read through the notes We'll see But I'm telling you dude This game's going to get good It's going to get really good Once everything's fleshed out I can feel it So you're saying that you're still enjoying your John Wick limited edition. I am, and more than when I first got it, for sure.
2:30
I'm so happy to hear that, because I actually like the game, so I don't get the hate. The layout's not as incredible as Jaws or Godzilla or Avengers Infinity Quest or an Elwynn, but it's a fair bit better than Venom. And I think once we get the code to where it needs to be, or once they do, we figure out what these John Wick points are even for, we have unlockable things I'll tell you what, once this topper comes out and we have a mode where it's an 8-bit adventure that you play with John Wick Jaws style, I think it's going to be phenomenal Oh, John Wick in 8-bit style? How cool would that be, man? It's going to be awesome You don't even have to wait for the black and white version, man Yeah, first that one So, what do let's just start into update with the 8-bit version. What do you think about it? I got to play it. Phenomenal. It looks like a video mode, but it's a video mode where you play on the actual pinball play field. That's the next level step there. It's so good, man. 8-bit graphics. Lovingly recreated. Compare this to when you're playing a Scream on Venom, flipping your hair around for no reason,

  • Avatar pinball will feature industry-leading light effects with blue and fluorescent green coloring

    medium confidence · Host predicts based on JJP's reputation for lighting and theme elements; no official confirmation

  • Recent Jersey Jack games are available at 'very competitive pricing' on secondary market

    medium confidence · Host references waiting for secondary market pricing on upcoming Avatar; Elton John mentioned at $12,000 vs. desired $9,000

    • @ Stern expansion discussion

  • “I mean, if they don't listen to us but they just do this, I think it's a great move. Well done, Stern.”

    Host @ Costco conclusion — Final endorsement of Costco strategy despite earlier pricing criticisms

  • “It's not a killer theme anybody was asking for, but it was Elton John, and that did pretty well. Avatar has a lot of potential.”

    Host @ Avatar theme discussion — Acknowledges Avatar is thematically dated but potentially viable given JJP's execution track record

  • “I mean, this is a huge, huge theme. I don't think that the play field will be empty like the last couple of games.”

    Host @ Avatar prediction — Speculation that Avatar's scope will feature populated playfield mechanisms unlike recent JJP releases

    • Jason Naps
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    Ken Cromwellperson
    Keith Allenperson
    Elton John (pinball game)game
    X-Men (Stern Pinball)game
    Avengers Infinity Quest (Stern Pinball)game
    The Mandalorian (Stern Pinball)game
    Star Wars (Stern Pinball)game
    Venom (Stern Pinball)game
    Insider Connectedproduct
    Spike 2product
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    market_signal: Avatar pinball positioned as dated but viable theme given JJP's execution track record; hosts predict populated playfield with extensive wire mechanisms and blue/fluorescent lighting signature; gameplay potential comparable to Elton John surprise appeal

    medium · Hosts note Avatar '10 years too late' but Disney still building Avatar attractions; predict industry-leading lighting effects; speculate on mechanisms/wire paths; note Elton John was unpopular theme initially but became compelling post-release

  • ?

    leak_detection: High-quality playfield photo of Jersey Jack's Avatar pinball leaked during Stern's Jaws live stream; shows JJP flipper bat logo and appears authentic (not AI-generated); leaked by Jason Naps (unusual for him) or unknown source

    medium · Photo released mid-stream showing Avatar playfield between flippers; real quality production photo; hosts debate if intentional strategic leak by JJP or actual IP breach; note JJP hasn't confirmed game

  • $

    market_signal: Secondary market pricing on recent Jersey Jack releases (Elton John, Magic Girl, Wonka) at 'very competitive pricing' post-launch; hosts indicating strategy to buy used rather than new at current LE prices

    medium · Host waits for secondary market on Avatar ('wait and see because last four JJP releases available at competitive pricing'); would buy Elton John at $9k vs. $12k MSRP; depreciation pattern emerging for JJP LEs

  • ?

    personnel_signal: Jason Naps (NAP Arcade operator/pinball media) broke Avatar leak during Stern Jaws live stream, unusual for his editorial approach of typically waiting for official announcements

    high · Hosts note Jason 'doesn't usually spoil games' and 'waits for someone else to do that'; discuss unusual nature of Avatar break; note he didn't respond to follow-up texts

  • $

    market_signal: Stern pinball LEs have escalated from $9,500 to $13,000+ in recent years, outpacing inflation; feature separation between Pro/Premium/LE tiers creating buyer friction

    high · Hosts cite specific pricing: Jaws $10,500, subsequent games $13,000; discuss cost drivers (code, Insider Connected, servers); note Premium no longer includes expression lights/backglass/speakers; compare to old forum posts where $7,600 LE seemed expensive

  • ?

    product_strategy: John Wick received surprise 8-bit video mode update with integrated playfield gameplay, establishing new benchmark for code quality comparable to Jaws' video mode; includes new music cues and unrevealed gameplay countdown mechanic

    high · Host describes playing 8-bit mode with 'lovingly recreated' 8-bit graphics; compares favorably to Scream/Venom video modes; Keith Allen credited as creator with no advance rumors

  • ?

    product_concern: Home edition machines ($5,000-$6,000) failing to sell despite Insider Connected inclusion; indefinitely halted production; fundamental market positioning problem when Pro commercial machines available at same price with better build quality

    high · Hosts confirm bad sales numbers and indefinite hold on home editions; argue $5k buys better Avengers/Mandalorian/Star Wars Pros; propose alternative Costco strategy (Pro at $500 discount) would have better market fit

  • ~

    sentiment_shift: Hosts' enthusiasm for John Wick has increased post-update; initially critical of weak launch now optimistic about code trajectory and potential; 8-bit mode establishes confidence in future support

    high · Host: 'more than when I first got it, for sure'; 'This game's going to get really good'; 'once code gets where it needs to be'; willingness to wait for topper mode creates excitement

    • 3:47
    and it stops the gameplay. They're just like, okay, what is this video mode? And then you come out with this, which is like a whole fleshed out 8-bit fun flash game or something. Much, much more integrated instead of just pushing left and right, you know? Yeah. And then they just dropped the topper mode too. So we're like getting back to back, man. Yeah, yeah. I just have one issue with that Jaws new 8-bit mod, and that is the audio guy. What's his name? I don't remember his name, but he's a genius. I love the audio guy making, you know, Joel's audio. Yeah. The only thing is he's using – now, you know, on my YouTube channel, I do pinball videos, but I also do retro, you know, Commodore 64. Those grandpa computers, yeah. Yeah, all those old 30-year-old computers. I love them. The thing is, the audio guy, he has used audio from the Nintendo era, you know, 1985 NES era. You can hear the samples, the sounds, if you have ears for that. I wish he went back and took 1982 Commodore 64, the SID chip, using those tunes from the SID chip. Come on, man. Do that on John Wick. Use the SID chip. If you guys know how awesome the system is in the Commodore 64, forget about the MIS system, man. That's the only issue I've got. Other than that, great welcome. This was a surprise. Nobody, no rumors, no nothing was out, and it just, bam, all of a sudden Keith Allen made this video.
    5:24
    Wow. Thank you, guys. Yeah, well done. I got to play this, and, yeah, it was fun. I want to spend some more time on it. I sold my Jaws, so I can't play this in the dungeon down here. Because we're wicking it up now in the season of the wick. But I get to play it on location at Jay's Silver Pin Ball-O-Rama. I forgot. Silver Ball Room, I think he calls it. Which version? Was it premium? It was a pro. I only played the pro, and I liked it. Yeah. But I don't know how it compares to the premium.
    5:55
    Doesn't have the upper play field. Right, yeah. So, I mean, the video mode is probably going to play identical, really, because it's just about the lane shots. But, yeah, dude, we didn't see it coming, and it's definitely appreciated. And I hope this is like the benchmark that they're going to continue to aspire to. I want to 8-bit John Wick, man. Can you imagine? Yeah. Run around blasting everybody. John Wick. Oh.
    6:18
    That could be awesome, man. Yes. So, yeah, great welcome. Please don't do this one isolated mode. Just do it on all the games, at least on all Elwing games. I want this on Godzilla also. Oh, can you imagine 8-bit Godzilla? Oh, I want 16-bit Amiga graphics. 16-bit Godzilla, come on. Stomp and build it. I think, actually, if you go in and look at the Deadpool graphics in the screen, that's actually 16-bit graphics, and that's just perfect. Perfect. Love it, man. I love it. I know it's a bit geeky talking about 8-bit, 16-bit, but, yeah, if you're into old computers, you know what I mean. Use the sit chip. If you're buying pinball machines, you're from the 8-bit era probably.
    7:05
    Absolutely, man. So, Donnie, how cool is this that Stern is just pumping out these code updates? I love this company, man. So we got some more news we have to talk about from Stern. So you said you could rent a game? What's that all about? Well, apparently they're reaching out to corporations trying to put pinball machines in the break rooms and charging like $500 a month or something, and they'll come and stick a machine in there. Now, honestly, I think you could go to an operator and do the same thing, but I think it's just part of Stern's push to expand the catch net of interest in pinball and try to grow the industry among adding more consumers. probably this came out of them sitting in a room thinking like alright we need some new people who can we go after the folks at Costco and the minivans ok fine we'll do that let's go after corporate businesses maybe Google's campus wants to put some Deadpools in there ok fine let's do that and then let's just see what happens man and if they can get half a percent one percent expansion it probably would have been worth it I mean my hat's off for Stern they're trying they are really trying So a few months back, they invited new YouTubers, Vic, that we all know now. He was one of the guys that released John Wick. So they are reaching out to new people, new media, and that's because you and I don't do a great job spreading the love of pinball. If we were perfect doing this, us old guys, they didn't need the new people. So it's good. It's good. They're reaching out, getting some more people, more info. I think it's good they're renting out. I mean, my bro, he rents out games. Usually it's actually a contract for a year where people can rent the game. Sometimes they contact and say, can I, six months have gone, can I trade into another game? Yeah, of course. It's actually a good idea. And having these games out on corporations when they have, you know, launch or something they can go in and play, maybe they will be hooked, get the pinball bug and buy some games. So they're trying. And I understand why they're trying because you know it, I know it, sales are not good. Yeah, I mean, where's our 300,000 people watching every drop that we put out on YouTube or something, you know? I blame the public. And honestly, if I was going around exploring abandoned buildings and playing pinball, I think we'd have like a million subscribers because that's what people want to watch. Some people just films a dog running around some tree and that gets eight million watches. Oh, I love the dog tree channel.
    9:59
    You know what I mean, man. Absolutely. But they are trying to expand the hobby. They are trying to get new buyers, more buyers, get more Don's in there. I mean, you came in here for about, I don't know, one, two years ago. Great welcome. It's so good. We need more people like you, Don. Fresh, fresh into the hobby with fresh interest. You have got like 18 games in a year. They need people like you. And it's good that they're reaching out. I mean, I've seen some negative stuff about this. I don't want to say no names, but I don't see it as anything negative. I think it's good. Yeah, there's no room for gatekeeping in pinball. Exactly. That's the word I was looking for. You want your events to be successful. You want your tournaments to be successful. You want your locations to be doing well so that we can keep funding this thing. I want more new games. I love new games when they come out. So I want that to continue. I don't want to dry up to where there's only one or two releases a year. oh god no and i don't want pinball to be like it was back i remember how it was back in 2008 it was so shitty it was like less is more the empty play feels bad sales numbers i mean no i don't want to go back to that i i want more more more and it's so cool we're getting almost a new game every month i i love that the only thing is maximum price should be 10 000 i mean the le should cost 10 000 and pros cheaper and premiums cheaper and pros it's so fun to go back through the old forums and you know when games are coming out five years ago and they're like they want eight thousand dollars for an le this is ridiculous who's got i'm out of pinball Forget it. They priced me out. $7,600 for an LE? Oh, hell no. That's too much. So what happened? Did licensing fees go up? Is the cost of plywood more? Is it labor costs? Like, what the heck? I know inflation, right? So you have to adjust for inflation. But, you know, even adjust for inflation, I believe we're outpacing it. It just jumped up too high too fast. That's it. I mean, the code has never been as good as it is now. And so that'll cost money. Insider Connected costs money. Servers cost money.
    12:30
    So there's more in these games now. But still, what the heck? But that jump, you know, from 9,500 for an LE, and then we got Jaws, and it jumped up to 10,500. And we were like, are you freaking kidding me? and then we got the next game and it was like 13 000 we were like i mean what's going on i got my godzilla premium right before the price went up it's like 8 500 or so msrp and then now they're about 10 for the premium right and nowadays premium won't even get you expression lights you know it won't get you a back glass won't get your good speakers yeah you gotta upgrade all So you're either in on a premium plus a whole box of parts you need, shaker, motor, and a visor glass, all that stuff. Or you go for the LE, but it's just so much more. Gosh.
    13:24
    Yeah. We need – I mean, prices have to go down. But Stern has done something else also. They have released – re-released these – what do they call these toy version? The home version. Home version. Yeah. Extra plus, right? They put Insider Connected in the home editions. That's fantastic. I mean, didn't they just stop producing these? Didn't they come up with something like bad sales numbers? Yeah, they said they were just indefinitely on hold, which means no plans to make anymore, right? And no plans until there are. Now they were looking for a SKU to put into the big box retail stores for the holidays. And so Costco that the one man I don know if they going to go into Sam Club either That the Walmart version of Costco Does Walmart sell something like this No No no no no Walmart sells misery. I'm kidding, my Walmart folks.
    14:24
    Isn't Walmart bigger than Costco? I don't know. More locations, yeah, more locations. Costco's a membership warehouse where things are in bulk, so you buy tons of stuff in bulk. And they have high-ticket items too. like big outdoor furniture sets, giant gazebos. They'll sell jewelry. You can buy vehicles through Costco.
    14:47
    You can buy cars? Yeah, they have partnerships with dealerships, and they'll have cars in the warehouse that they advertise. Cool. So when you walk around in Costco and looking at, I mean.
    15:00
    I got to take Jenga's to Costco, man. One of my education is I'm educated in sales. Yeah. So I read psychology in sales and look at this buyer that walks around in Costco. What does he have in his – where he puts his groceries? What's it called? Cart. That wagon. What's it called in the U.S.? It's called a cart or unless you're in the south, they'll call it a buggy. But yeah. Cart, cart, yeah. So I have learned to look at these customers. Do they have three cheap wines or single expensive wines? So, you know, buy this cheap TV or this very high-end Pioneer TV. So if you look at these buyers walking around in Costco, man, wife, four kids, what kind of – is it kind of people that would say, hey, pinball machine for $5,000. Let's put that in the cart and take it home. Is it that kind of people in there? How is it? Those people are in there. It's a mix. It tends to skew more kind of middle to upper income. Okay. You know, they sell televisions in there for $2,000 to $3,000 if you want the newest 80-inch UHD machine. So what they're going to do is during the holiday season, they kind of change out the front third of the store to have, you know, all the decorations, the big things for your home, the fireplaces and stuff. And so now there'll be a pinball machine there. It'll be on an end cap where people can come up and play it. And then people will see that and they'll start thinking. And, you know, over several visits, they'll make that decision to purchase. Because they want to have it in their home for the holiday or whatever it is. But it's going to drive a ton of awareness because lots of people go to Costco. They walk the main aisles. They walk past that end cap. They're all going to see the machine, and they're going to know that pinball is still being produced. A Jurassic Park machine exists. And this is much higher quality than what we've seen in retail stores ever. Oh, yeah. Even the home version. Oh, yeah. So it's going to drive a ton of awareness, and then there will be some sales. Yeah. And there will be people like me watching it because when that thing goes on clearance at the end of the season, we'll scoop in and grab it. Half price. Let's go. So can you imagine another scenario? Okay, so you say that some people will buy this and awareness is good spreading out the love because, I mean,
    17:24
    stop the next 100 person that walks by you and say, hey, pinball machine. And they will like, that stuff from the 70s, do they still exist? People don't know about pinball machines. I hear it all the time. They still make those? Yeah. But so these home super editions, whatever,
    17:44
    so they will cost $5,000 at Costco and $6,000 from a distro. Can you imagine this scenario instead? So $1,000 off. How about instead of these toy versions that they really want to sell, sell that they haven't had any success years and years i think and they made avengers never a success never never never distros doesn't want them secondary market if you have one of these you cannot sell them they just yeah right but instead of doing this why not take a stern pro machine, $1,000 off, you pay that $1,500 the distro gets, remove that, put it in the Costco proper. I don't care which Spike 2 Pro version pinballed for $1,000 or $1,500 cheaper than the market price now. That could be cool. That would sell. That would be it. So there's room in the market for a home version if it was $3,000. Yes. But when the separation is only like – I did a show. For $5,000, you can go get an Adventures Infinity Quest Pro right now. Yeah. Or a Mandalorian, which is going to have – Or a Star Wars. Or Turtles. And it's going to have better build quality and better gameplay than the home version is going to have, for sure, for the same price. Better screen, better – everything better. So what if they took a Jurassic Park Pro, made the Costco edition with a custom Translight, maybe it comes with a rudimentary topper or it comes with some pinball feeder, it comes with a pin gulp or some kind of accessory package that it has, and it's that standalone one. It's only sold in Costco's. It's $500 cheaper than the MSRP. There you go. And then Costco will knock a couple hundred bucks off there and do sales and things too. I mean, if this should work, then Costco, they need to do a whole buy. They need to buy 5,000 games, whatever, to all their stores, right? That's how they could remove the distro margin. Check that money down. I don't even think they should use time and energy to make a Costco version. They should just release their pro games. Just have Godzilla Pro, Jaws Pro. Instead of this kiddie version. I mean, have you played these games, these home version games? Yeah. I haven't played Spider-Man. They are cool, but they are not cool for $5,000, $6,000. Yeah. As you said earlier, for $3,000, what a machine, what a game, right? Because for $5,000, I mentioned you could get that Avengers Infinity Quest, that Mandalorian. You could take those games and put them on location and start earning money. They're commercial machines. The home version doesn't have that functionality. This is strictly just for the home. And this dude that just walks by, you're right. Some will just buy it, you know, impulse buy. But some will go home and think about it, and they will go in and maybe research something. And then they will check out, how about secondary sales, that they will never touch these, right? For $5,000, you can almost get a Guns N' Roses limited edition machine today. You're right, too. You're right. I mean, come on. You know what's going to happen, though? You know what's going to happen? Every time one of my friends or family members goes to Costco and sees this thing, I'm going to get a text message right away, Darn, they have pinball at Costco. And I'm like, I've done three shows on it already, buddy, but thanks for letting this. And it's not going to stop. But, you know, if nothing else, I go to Costco frequently. I'll be able to play pinball in Costco while my wife's looking at clothes. Perfect. I love it. So all in all, if they don't listen to us but they just do this, I think it's a great move. Well done, Stern. So who's going to buy this? Me three years ago would have bought this because I didn't know what I know now, and I knew I liked pinball. And there it is at Costco. Just put it in the truck. We're done. I would have bought this.
    22:01
    Absolutely, man. I mean, if I watched, you know, virtual pinball and I saw this, but the coolest part is in some time when they have, you know, too many of these and Costco wants them off and they, you know, 2,500 or something, that's going to be crazy, you know. But still, it's going to spread the love. It's going to spread the message. I'm liking this. So well done, Stern. It's good. But I would have done it the other way. I would have put in the whole Spike 2 Pro lineup. Come on, man. Just sell 600 of each game to Costco. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. 6,000 Pros. That's how they should do it. Just remove the distro money. And why not? If you and I can talk about it, why can't... I mean, the reason Stern doesn't do it is, of course, bill of material. This game will be much cheaper to produce. Yeah, you could have taken like a Stern Pro and then took out the coin door mechanism, just put a cosmetic door there, save a little bit, and then, you know, there would have been a point of difference between the commercially ready one and the home one.
    23:14
    I was just about to say they could also remove the insider connected, but no, that's their main goal. That's what they want. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's their main goal. It's okay. So all in all, what do you think about it? Is it an okay move or should we give them some hate? Yeah, no, I have no hate on this, man. I get to go play pinball at Costco now. I'm totally down with that. It's so cool, man. If it sells well, we could see some more. We could see it evolve. Yeah, I like it. Yeah, see it evolve. Maybe by Christmas they will say, okay, this is so good. Let's get in some pros for $500 off. Maybe we'll see some Berrios barbecue challenge at Walmart. Why not? So have you been on barbecue places with barbecue games in them? Not one yet, but I'm sure any moment now, the barbecue place will be overflowing with Berrios Challenge. I did see a limited edition Berrios show up on Pinside, I think, for $6,000.
    24:10
    Isn't that the new price? Yeah. Well, no, the LE, I think it was like $8,900 or something. Oh, okay, okay. Well, it is what it is. I want to say congrats, Stern. It's good. it's the right path. Okay, so for me, it's okay. Right. Let's jump over to the next thing, which is JJP. Isn't this fun? I was watching the live stream about the topper modes for JAWS, and then what dropped in my lap on my phone, oh, hey, here's a picture of Avatar from JJP, just right in the middle of the live stream. They were still live. So I want to ask you, our dear friend Jason Knapp, he breaks these great news I mean he is you know pinball man 2024 it is what it is so cool we all love Jason usually from my understanding he doesn't don't get me wrong but he doesn't spoil any game for any company does he? has he done this before? no I don't think as such usually he He waits to someone else doing that. Right, yeah. And then two seconds later, bam, everything out. Yeah, it's like he'll put up that this person just reported that this is available or this was just put out on this website or Facebook zone or something. But no, he broke this one. Yeah, right. We got a photo close up of the play field down between the flippers of obviously an Avatar game with Jersey Jack's logo on the flipper bats. So it's not AI. Like, it's a real photo, a real good quality one, too. This wasn't like somebody snuck in at a trade show, lifted the tarp, and got a picture on a potato. This was a real photo that either leaked or leaked.
    25:59
    I just want to ask you, for 10 days, everybody has been talking about Stern's next game, right? Yeah. Isn't it just a great…
    26:14
    Don't get me started. Strategic leak. Conspiracy. The Avatar leak was an inside job. I mean, I want to say, leaked or not, Jersey Jack, perfect timing for a leakage. It's just perfect timing. They're saying, okay, they're about to come out with X-Men. The rumors are saying that. And just leaking this, we're just about to release. Hold back your money. Jersey is on the way. I mean, it's just perfect timing. This took everybody's eyes away from X-Men. And now we want some Avatar. What's that? Look how shiny that is. I want to go swim with the blue people.
    26:58
    Don, you do know what happened. Do you know what happened? So yesterday, Ken Cromwell, he just called Jason Neff. And Jason, I'm going to send you a picture. Here you go. Just leak this. Yeah.
    27:12
    No, no. I'm just kidding, man. I mean, but all in all, I mean, perfect timing. Leak or not, I mean, if someone stole it, we don't know. Okay, we don't know. We're just joking here. So we don't even know if this is the next game they're going to release either. Yeah.
    27:28
    It's not confirmed. That's not been confirmed. But as you said, it takes, you know, the eyes from Stern over to JJP. It's just perfect timing because I was thinking JJP's games was not about to release right now. I mean, a bit more time, but doing this, it's great strategy if it was, you know. Here's what's happening, right? You're at the school dance, and Alice in Wonderland keeps trying to follow you around, and you're standing by the bathroom waiting for Stern to come back out, when all of a sudden across the dance floor, the spotlight lands on Pandora, and you're like, oh, Dancing Queen, get out of the way, Abba, let's go over there. Oh, that light effect. That's what just happened.
    28:13
    But, Donnie, can you imagine them releasing this game back in 2009 where it was a popular theme? Oh it would have been incredible Damn I mean right now This looks like it going to be the last two movies at least So it not just the first Avatar It is the first Avatar Plus modes correspond to Way of Water, which was the most recent release. Not a bad film. Maybe it's only the second film. No, no. There's parts of both of them in there. There's the tribe from the first one and the second one. So it's at least updated to now. It doesn't look like it's going to have anything from the forthcoming fire-themed Avatar movie. And I joked. I was like, well, maybe through a code update, and that's how far I got before I was like, yeah, that's not going to happen. It's JJP. No, no.
    29:03
    But, I mean, my issue always with – I mean, I get some beef because we do sell JJP games. So when I talk about JJP, people are like, oh, just chill, chill, chill. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love JJP. It is what it is. I love Ken Cromwell. I love everything they do except their choices of themes. Now, this theme, it's better than the last theme. It's better. It's better than the last theme. It lends itself more to adventure. Yeah. And loads. And we all know the industry-leading light effects in JJP games. This is going to be so much blue. You're going to get drunk when playing this game. It's going to be blue and fluorescent green. It's going to, I mean, can you imagine how crazy this is going to look? Now, they know we love Pirates of the Caribbean, Jersey Jack's machine, how loaded it was. And then they just, they won't rerun it again. But what if they took that same scope and put the Avatar theme to it? But there's, like, mechanisms and ships that battle back and forth and floating islands and things, like, cool, interesting mechanisms in gameplay. you know mysterious ball paths gobble holes under flipper shots spinning barrels cats living with dogs pure insanity like man like i want this game now god damn it they make me want it now they did the same thing with elton john i heard the theme and i'm like great i don't have to worry about wanting to buy it and then they made it really good and now they're making me want an avatar machine you okay so are you thinking about are you thinking about buying this game of course man well i got yeah i'm gonna wait and see wait and see because the last four jersey jack releases are available at very competitive pricing right now and so yeah yeah unless i like unless i have to have it day one for some reason it'll be better to wait a bit pick one up used didn't you say i I don't remember if it was you, but didn't you say that you would buy Elton John from the secondary market when it hit like 9,000? Was it you? I don't remember. That sounds like something I would say. Or like Elton John looks like at $12,000, I'm not interested in purchasing it. At 9,000, I'd probably be pretty interested, yeah. So this game, when it comes out and it looks like nothing you have seen before light-wise, it's going to be beautiful. that back glass is going to be amazing looking. We all know it.
    31:39
    The big screen with all the avatar assets, man. Do you think? I don't think that the play field will be empty like the last couple of games. I mean, this is a huge, huge theme. Now, to be honest, it can be an AI-generated picture, Don, just because it has got JJ Bill logo on it. Still, I mean. Yeah, but the things are spelled correctly, though. That's a hard thing for AI to get right. It can be AI, and some dude can touch it a bit. We don't know yet. And, you know, it still might be Matrix next, and they also have an avatar machine, and it's just not ready to release yet. All we have for sure is a photo from who, who knows. Yeah. It's all speculation. I texted Ken Cromwell. He didn't get back to me at all, so they're probably having meetings. Man, I actually haven't texted him But It's hard for them to confirm It this way, you know I think they will just say, you know, wait and see Wait and see Am I going to get blue dragons on the legs Like the lions from Godfather I think you will have that Flying things in the play field But I hope that All those, you know, flying Are they dragons or fish or something I think they do something with wires like in Cactus Canyon where they move on the play field. It could be so cool, man. Some sort of movement. There's a lot of potential. It's not a killer theme anybody was asking for, but it was Elton John, and that did pretty well. People like it. And it has got this zen kind of music.
    33:22
    The problem. I think it has got a lot of potential. Every time a game comes out, I'm like, can I stand listening to the music? I don't want to listen to Elton John. I don't have it in my home. But on location, I always play it. So this, can I listen to it? That's the first thing I think about. Second thing, will it hold up in a location? Should I order one?
    33:53
    Would it be good in a location, Avatar? Isn't it just 10 years too late? Probably. But Disney's still building rides. They just announced a big expansion for one of their parks for Avatar. So it exists.
    34:12
    I mean, it's not as big as Star Wars, but it's going to be a perpetual theme. My problem is this game's going to be basically all about the spectacle, right? The lights, the sounds, the topper, all that stuff. So I'm going to want that collector's one with all the glitter and everything in it. But that's $15,000. Yeah, buddy.
    34:34
    So it's like, yeah, I could get the cheaper one, but it's not going to be as cool. I have unboxed, you know, I think most of the JJP we have unboxed, you know, the pro version and the collector's. Oh, they're not called pro.
    34:50
    Platinum version. Yeah, yeah. And the collectors, Donnie, I'm telling you, the collector's edition from JJP, they're just built different. They're just different. Different. You have to – I mean, my bro, he – we have one of our videos. We unboxed a Pirates collector's edition. And they were like – I think there were 200 of them made or something. Is it 200 Pirates collectors? I have no idea. It sounds about right. They have shellfish on the cabinet. Everything is just that topper with that. Everything is just so magical. It's the first pin. My brother has got hundreds of pinball. It's the first pin he took home to his private home. That collector's pirate. It's the only pirate in the world that has got 20 games played on it in 2024. That's it. Wow. Yeah, it's so crazy when that one comes up for sale. But I just want to say, JJPs, I mean, if it's a theme you love, someday they will come up with a theme that I just love. I actually like Pirate's theme. I actually also like the Hobbit theme.
    36:10
    But which games do you like? Talk about themes with JJP. Girls in Roses theme is cool, but the game is bad. Probably dialed in as my favorite. No, I'm kidding.
    36:23
    I think Pirates of the Caribbean was the peak, and then they've been downhill since then. I love Guns N' Roses, and so after Guns N' Roses, I'm like, that's it. I want to get in on the next one that they release. I'm just going to be a Jersey Jack guy. And then it was Toy Story 4, and the price went up to $15, and it was like, all right, I don't know what I'm going to do. I'm going to wait. And then, you know, okay, Godfather, that's a code name for Harry Potter. Let's wait and see what comes out. And it was Godfather. It was like, I want that one even less, man. I guess I'm just not into this guy. And then it was Elton John, and I'm like, all right, it plays well, but, you know, it's just not for me. So I want to be a Jersey Jack guy. I want to be J.J.P. Don, man. I mean, they make amazing games. Star Wars, Harry Potter. Yeah, the issue was, you know, weak flippers, but they're fixed now. They shoot pretty nice now. And if you have older ones, you can. I have a couple of videos where I installed the precision. I.O. board? No, no. I installed the precision flippers. Oh, my God. I installed precision flippers in Guns N' Roses and took the flipper strength up from 26 up to 34, which is the maximum. when you shoot with the lower right flipper up to the left upper play field it has so much speed that it just jump all all the plays on balls air balls and flies so that's fixed i just hope they don't use the same coder i don't remember his name keith something johnson i think his name is the guy that just puts in so many multiballs and when you're in a multiple you can start other multiball multiballs. It's just too much. Yeah, it is. I was playing my Last Action Hero. It has got an unofficial ROM.
    38:21
    On Data East games, if you suck at pinball, on Ball 3, you will get a free multiball. That's how they coded back then from Data East. But this one, you can go in and see, remove that BS. So you can remove that so you don't get a free multiball. And you can also take the multi-ball achievement higher up so it's much more harder leveled. After I did that, it's like the game has got so much better now. When I hit that multi-ball, I deserve it. I earned it. Yes. That's such a cool, good feeling, you know, Donnie. And I just want that in Jersey Jack games also. I want that in all games. I want Stern to remove 45 seconds of ball sabers on multiple. Remove that. Five seconds is enough. I think so, yeah. Yeah, man. Come on. Yeah. So you're going to buy this collector's edition?
    39:16
    Not right now, man. I'm doing everything I can to try not to buy anything because I've got no room. And what I have is amazing, man. I really should sell two games and buy one. But I can't think of two things I want to get rid of. You have got wrestling. What else do you need? Nothing. No, the collection is perfect. I could go five years and not purchase a game and still have tons of stuff to play.
    39:44
    I just want to give you a side note. Yeah. In the background, I can see you have got Star Wars. Donnie, a couple of days ago, I installed the new card from Pinsound called Pin Blaster. Have you watched my video? Of course I watched your video. Dude, 200 watts. You just click it in that Stern Spike 2 game. Oh, my God. It's such a cool.
    40:10
    You hear more sounds in a much more deeper way. And this is with the built-in Stern speakers I have tested. Okay, with the LE Kenwood speakers and not the Pro Premium. But this should be in all games. You can check out that bass. It sounds so – if it's too much, the glass is shaking. The key is the amplification, man. I mean you can put huge speakers in, but you're not going to get fidelity without something to push through it. And so – It's so – yeah, yeah. Because I have put in big speakers in my wrestling. I have actually put in pin sound speakers in them. But the built-in amplifier on Spike 1 is just not good enough. and I actually, on my video, I said that a lot of people wanted me to install Pin Blaster in Ghostbusters, but that's Spike-1 system.
    41:05
    And then they told me some cool stuff that I can't share with you right now, but trust me, buddy, you will get some amazing stuff. It's coming. More goodies on the way. I got a Spike-1 WrestleMania. I'd love to put some amplification in. Yeah, wait and see. Don't sell it. It's going to be an amazing experience. Because, I mean, 50% of the experience is the audio. I always say that. John Cena. Yeah, baby. You get it. You get it with the audio part. And Joel Engelberth, he gets it also.
    41:41
    Yeah. And last time I told you about your sorts of rage. Yeah. Did you try to switch to the other audio? Not yet. I still got to do that. Ah, okay. Last Saturday, I actually did that on the LEUF. I'm telling you, usually when you play that game, it's rock all the time, right? Right, right. Just give me your money. But when you change to the other audio, I had the longest play of my life. I mean, I made high score for the – This is on location. Nice. Yeah, on Black Knight Limited. Due to that, it was so much more laid back because some people just had something in their head. They listen to other music while they're playing in tournaments and stuff like that. I don't get it. They just lose so much of the experience I hope when we do number 10 of We Are Pinball that you have tried the other software audio package That could be awesome, man. I'll go check it out. I love it. Yeah. I'll check it out. I want a Pinsen amplifier. I like how it plugs in. Yeah. I'll try it. Yeah. I just want to say a little side note. So we get some cool mails. Sometimes I'm getting, what's it called? tears in my eyes I want to say I'm getting touched so many sweet people out there so we got one mail I want to read it I asked for his permission and he said it was ok so I'm going to say his name because nobody will believe this people will say nah man you just wrote this down his name is Brad Kostrup so he says hey don and jingis just had to reach out to you and say how happy i was to see another episode drop so that's we would drop episode eight after you know the vacation here in summer i appreciate that you guys are talking about what's fun about pinball the fact is you're lucky enough in this world to have the income and time to go to a location and play, let alone have your own machine.
    44:10
    Well, then in life is pretty darn good compared to so many people in the world. You guys are awesome. You guys have an awesome thing going on. Great humor, lots of fun conversation and as a second generation Dane living in Canada, It brought a huge smile to my face to hear Cengiz start one episode in Danish.
    44:36
    So that's maybe – keep bringing the fun. You guys are bringing something completely unique compared to all the other pinball podcasts I listen to. I mean, dog, it's so cool. So every time we look at numbers, I'm like the U.S., United States of America, Eagle Country. is our, you know, 69, 70% of our listeners are U.S., and the second is Canada. So this guy is an old Danish guy, a second-generation Danish guy that moved to Canada. Oh, my God, my special thanks. And mails like these, they just make my heart melt, man. It's so good. And he sees the fun in what we're doing, because I haven't written nothing down. I mean, you hit me up like five minutes before we did this. Are you sleeping? Are you up? Let's do a show. Yeah, let's do a show. Nothing is scripted. So this is like two friends having a conversation. There's so much to talk about. I'm just honestly at home having fun, and I want to talk about the stuff that I'm doing.
    45:43
    I mean, if people got all the things – guys, guys, listener, listen to this. It can be like 1 o'clock in the night. All of a sudden, I get a message from Donnie – Don. I call him Donnie. Come on. Get that. I get a message like look at this topper and then he sends me a video where he shows me and talks about this amazing you know R2D2 Star Wars topper whatever he's working and it's 1 o'clock I want to sleep and I get this message and I just I wake up I'm like I want to go and turn on my pinball machine I want to play now he just gives me this new energy I had 20 years back he just done is good for the people I mean, if we recorded all our conversations, Donnie, you know what I mean. We would be in trouble.
    46:36
    We'd be celebrating more than just Bimbo. No, but it's fun. I appreciate everybody that emails in. Always good to hear feedback because, you know, as far as I know, we're doing okay. But I need that objectivity, man. I mean, our numbers are going up. I mean, I'm happy. I'm so happy we're doing this. Okay, Donnie. Yes. So we have talked about the news about these games and so on, these companies. Should we continue our Painside Top 100 list? I think we might want to say that for Episode 10. Okay. Because we have reached the number 60 to 80. How many minutes have we recorded now? Can you see that?
    47:20
    Oh, darn it. That would be too much. So I just said, I wrote to you before we do this. I was like, okay, let's do five minutes on Stern updates and three minutes on Jersey Jack. See what happens? Yeah. But yeah, because I want to make under an hour episodes. So yeah, let's do that. I tell you what, in a week we're going to know probably about this new X-Men game, if that is what it is. We'll probably find out more about what's going on with Avatar. I'm sure Alice will probably be like, okay, we got to get something out there. There's going to be so much more to talk about. Ellis needs to show something more now when Jersey has shown something. It's like all these ladies, they're pulling out their dresses and showing more and more of their legs. Oh, yeah, come over here, buddy. We haven't seen the coin box lid, so they could show that off. They could show the back of the coin door. What kind of plunger do we have? What's a plunger situation?
    48:21
    Who's next? It's Spooky. Come on, Spooky. I'm getting teased so much. I'm about to leave with a lesser machine just because it's ready to go. Oh, man. To use more bar analogies. You know what, Spooky? When they come out with the next game, still hold it under $10K. Right, Donnie? Don't you think? That's their goal. Yeah, they're finding ways to do things a little more in-house so they have more control of the cost so they can keep that price down. It's so cool they're doing stuff in-house. It's so cool. If they can keep the cost down, do it the right way, of course. Yeah. Of course, right? But just like Stern, Stern is doing so much in-house. Of course, they're getting parts from China, but more in-house, more control, quality control. So good what Spooky is doing. But I hope they will come with a little teaser also. But their game is some month now, but it's just too early. They're still building, right? They're still building. Absolutely, yeah. Looney Tunes and Texas Chainsaw Massacre. And occasionally they're still getting sales for Scooby-Doo. That one's not sold out yet. So still making those. Do they have numbers on their production? What numbers? I mean, just like Barrows of Fun, they build like 250 or something. Do we know? I need to hit them up for some confirmation. I get the sense that they're in the 1 to 200s with their Looney Tunes and Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Okay. And then Scooby is well up there.
    49:51
    So I kind of get the sense that they could probably be busy all the way through until spring at least, but I think they want to release a game in December. And they're not a company that needs to completely finish their builds before they switch to the next project. They can pivot and do everything in parallel. Of course. Dude, like Stern, you know, Stern, they build blah, blah, blah, and next Friday they just switch to something else. I mean, why not? As this TCM code is catching up, I think this is going to be kind of the sleeper and become the favorite here as the months go on. But, you know, as more orders come in, they could pivot back to that. Yeah, and I think that builds in some flexibility for them, and that's kind of what they want to get to. So, yeah, hopefully there will be a new machine in December from the spooksters. And I hope this time they will get the CE European approval a bit quicker because, Donnie, do you know what? I have actually sent some screenshots to Spooky Luke about this. But, okay, I make the unboxing video. We are showing the game to Scandinavian customers, blah, blah, blah. But people are reaching out to me. They're like, Cengiz, love this unboxing video. This is it. I'm going to contact Zach. and the day after he writes me, okay, I just ordered this game from Zach because of your video. I'm like, dude, spooky guys.
    51:17
    I need to get an unboxing machine much, much, much, much earlier than this one. Come on, guys. So, yeah, I'm selling overseas instead of selling over here. But, yeah, videos are international.
    51:32
    So it is what it is, man. I'm happy to help. Of course, I'm happy to help. But it was just, you know, I want to test the quality, and it's getting beat up, that Looney Tunes, and it's holding up. No issues. That's awesome. So cool, man. Yeah. And how about your games? Still working fine? Perfect, yeah. And they were early builds, too. They were in the first 50. And so, you know, the preliminary issues we got ironed out, they're running great. And, you know, talk about a company that picks themes people want. Come on. Awesome. I mean last Saturday I was repairing Pimel machines and we had Looney Tunes running in the background all of the time some funny shit comes on there it's so good man I love it I still cannot fathom how they can you know from the same design make Looney Tunes that's so much fun and Texas Chainsaw that's so gory bloody you know so different yeah but they're not going to do that on their next game they want to build one game right right yeah yeah um you know not that they won't return to that at some point but yeah it's not the plan uh for this one so i hope one game that's cool but i hope that the number is limited to maybe 700 because you know you know what it gets boring with the same game build for a year we want something we of course they cannot do it like Stern, but wouldn't it be awesome, like Jersey Jack has said for the last five years that they should come up with two games a year?
    53:10
    If Spooky came up with two games a year, I mean, they could put a number. We want to build 800-whatever themed game, and they can build the first 300 and release the next game and, you know, jump between builds. Do it like, I mean, if they have the economy to it, you know? Yeah, I like it. I don't think that's a bad idea at all. I want to see more releases more themes. Do you think they listen to this show? They have to. I'm going to send them a link.
    53:38
    I mean, they're checking out my video and they love you, so maybe they're listening in here also. I mean, that could be a great idea. Stern brought us Jaws. Stern brought us John Wick. Great themes. I like those.
    53:52
    Some of the comic book stuff might be getting a little old. Jersey Jack, we really want them to get to the better themes. But Spooky, they're starting with like, we want killer themes that would sell 2,000 machines, you know, and we want to put all the assets in them. So it's like, yes, I want them cranking games out because I want to see what they have to come. I hope they're making Army of Darkness. Man, it could be. Have you watched the video? We talked about it. No, I didn't do my homework. I'm sorry. It's okay. Not Evil Dead 1 and 2.
    54:23
    Army of Darkness, the third one in the trilogy. Oh, my God, I love it. Yeah. I'll check it out. Maybe they'll do Alien vs. Predator at some point.
    54:33
    Have you watched Alien Romulus by now? No. Have you watched that? Man, I haven't been to the movie theater in forever. Oh, man. I took my son to IMAX Cinema. You must have IMAX in the U.S. also. Yeah. It was his first time, and the audio was out of this world, you know, and with Alien, he was just, oh, he jumpscare everything. It works. It works, man. Awesome, man. It's so good. I would love an Alien vs. Predator or just Predator 1. Just make Predator 1. That's it. Someone should do it. But I want Stern to make it also. I want JJP to make it also. Just make Predator 1. I will buy all three of them.
    55:14
    Well, you got three sales here. Why not, man? It could be cool. All right, Donnie. Cool, man. Any shout-outs, any call-outs, anything you want to say? How can people reach us? Oh, yeah. We are pinball69 at gmail.com. It's the best way to get a hold of us. We respond within minutes, man, and we'll read your stuff on the air. If you want T-shirts and stickers, just go ahead and e-mail and ask for them. Give me an address. I'll send them out.
    55:38
    Throw some cash in the tip jar to cover shipping and such, but we'll take care of you. And always more fun coming. Of course, I'm all over Don's Pinball Podcast. If you want to listen to that guy over there. Yeah. Great, great podcast there. And I do YouTube, Retro Jingo. I have done it for so many years. I think you know my YouTube channel. I hope so. I don't sell T-shirts, no nothing. Don, have we made a Patreon? It's on the list. Okay.
    56:06
    Sorry, guys. I'm working my way through the tasks, man. But, you know, we need to do something where they can enter our show also. A couple of guys have been writing that to us, so why not? It could be cool, man. Why not? Let's do that. So, yeah, that's on the way also, right? Perfect, yeah. Yeah, all right. I got it on my list. let's go out with some Biggie oh yes it's so good 90s we want everything from the 90s your weekly dose of pinball hip hop right here WAP 69 at gmail.com you know where we're at see you on episode 10 everybody we'll be there later yeah
    56:53
    I got more Max and Craig in the back.